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WonderCon: THE CLONE WARS! GET SMART! 10,000 BC! Footage! Actors! Quint takes in WB's panel! (That's What She Said!)

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here from WonderCon... Below you'll find appearances by Steve Carell, Peter Segal, Anne Hathaway, Camilla Belle and Roland Emmerich... info on GET SMART, 10,000 BC, STAR WARS: THE CLONE WARS as well as upcoming movies SHAZAM! and Emmerich confronted on 2012! Enjoy! 10,000 BC

Roland Emmerich took the stage and greeted the crowd, then showed a new trailer. It was a lot like the first trailer, but you get more of the story. “We were hunters of the mightiest of all beasts!” as we watch our lead snag a Mastodon with a handmade net. The beast bucks and jumps and the net breaks free, sending the man flying off with it. Then we see the dude (Steven Straight) romancing up a hot cavewoman version of Camilla Belle with the voice-over continuing: “We always thought we were alone in this world… ‘Till one night…” Footage of an invading horde, out of a Conan rip-off movie from the ‘80s. They take Belle, of course, and he watches them leave with her. Omar Sharif, I believe, pops up and tells us that it is not known where these people came from. “Some say they came from the stars…” and we see shots of these guys building pyramids and giant monuments. Straight runs down his woman, catching a glimpse of her, hands bound and being led in front of a bunch of pissed off Egyptian-type people. Then we get some giant bird action, a lot of CG looking sabretooth tiger and wholly mammoth shots as Straight screams out “He is not a God!” while a spear heads toward the Egyptian-type leader dude standing on the steps of a giant pyramid. Can’t say I’m too impressed. It’ll be stupid, but it might be fun. Nothing wrong with the occasional lame-brain cheesy fun movie and who would say no to watching cavegirl Belle for two hours?

- Someone asked about the possible connection between 10,000 BC and STARGATE. Emmerich said that there is no direct connection, no cross-over, but there is a similar backbone, namely the Lost Civilization theory, that the Egyptians didn’t build the pyramids. - Emmerich followed that up by saying that he is obsessed with pyramids and has been since he visited Giza as a teenager. - Is 2012 Roland Emmerich’s next movie? “Yes, it is.” What can he tell us about it? “Nothing?” Yes, the question mark fits. He ended the word up, like a question. Then sat silent for about 20 seconds before they moved on. - The characters speak English, but accented with Arabic. Camilla Belle added, “More than a little Omar Sharif.” - Emmerich was asked where the nugget of the story came from… and it started with a Discovery Channel documentary about Man Hunting Mammoths. - Emmerich claims he is always first interested in story, to which he got a few laughs from the back of the Hall. He grinned and said, “my distractors (sic) say otherwise,” that visual fireworks are great, but he wants story and setting are first and foremest for him. - What about the actors? How was it acting with a lot of CGI creatures? Belle: “You always feel really stupid, to be honest.” Man, she’s cute. - Was Emmerich influenced by Robert E. Howard’s CONAN world? I got the the impression that Emmerich didn’t want to admit he hasn’t read the books because he said he was influenced by CONAN THE BARBARIAN in terms of being able to fully imagine a pre-existing world. He said, nobody knows exactly what it was like so it was freeing… like Conan. - The movie was shot in sequence, for the most part, according to Steven Straight. - Favorite superhero? Stephen said PUNISHER, Emmerich said Batman and Belle copied him.

STAR WARS: CLONE WARS This was a surprise, completely unannounced, Steve Sansweet came out and showed us some footage. Here’s the rundown: The footage was broken up by an interview with Dave Filoni. He opens by saying that when he thinks of The Clone Wars, he goes back to the one sentence mention of it back in A New Hope. He said since that mention fans have been obsessed about thinking about the Clone Wars and what they could be. I’m sure you’ve seen the already released trailer (>click here if you haven’t seen it yet! ). There was more stuff, but the look and style was exactly that trailer. It looks cool and all, but I have some major problems, most of them under the banner “Should have been in the movies.” Let’s look Filoni said that we’ve seen the beginning and the end of the Clone Wars, but nothing in the middle, so that’s what we’re going to get. Should have been in the movies. “It was very important to George (Lucas) that we explore a side of Anakin… you couldn’t call it the good side, but more of who was Anakin? What was he like?” Should have been in the movies. “In THE CLONE WARS we get to look at Obi-Wan Kenobi in a slightly different way. Mainly exploring his relationship with Anakin Skywalker and seeing that they were like brothers. It will have more impact when you see Anakin’s fall.” Should have been in the movies. One thing that looked really interesting was the addition of a padawan for Anakin, a feisty alien chick named Ahsoka Tona. I’m not sure if I have my nerd rules right, but didn’t Anakin get denied being upgraded to Jedi Master in Episode 3? Are apprentices allowed to have apprentices? At any rate, Ahsoka seems to be something fresh in the series. Filoni describes her as having Anakin’s rebel spirit, but also some of Obi-Wan’s discipline. “She stands in between them.” I’m sure her fate isn’t a good one since this takes place between Episodes 2 and 3 and she ain’t in REVENGE OF THE SITH. He promised a lot more General Grievous. He promised a lot more clones, including specific characters like Captain Rex. I’m not gonna poo-poo this. I loved Tartakovsky’s CLONE WARS cartoons, but I can say the exact same thing (Should Have Been In The Movie) with his work. I’m sure this’ll be fun and fill in for some of what was lacking the prequels for me. But at the same time, I’d kill to see an amazing live action version of this story that gets it right. GET SMART The crowd was psyched for this one, buzzing beforehand and then going apeshit when Peter Segal came to the stage and introduced the new trailer, which will hit in a few weeks. A lot of what I saw in the edit bay (Click Here To Give That A Read If Ya’ Missed It!) was in the trailer, including the airplane bathroom debacle, some of the skydiving action sequence, some of the dance-off between 99 and their CHAOS target vs. a jealous Max and a very heavy woman. I liked the opening, with Mr. Voice saying “there’s always been a balance between control and chaos…” nice… The opening of the trailer has a great back and forth between Terence Stamp and Steve Carell. Stamp, with BORAT’s Ken Davitian standing by his side, asks Max, “How do I know you’re not an agent of CONTROL?” Max, “If I were an agent of CONTROL you’d already be dead.” Stamp, “If you were an agent of CONTROL I would have killed you first.” Max, “Since neither one of us are dead then you know I’m not an agent.” There an awkward silence, then Ken turns to his boss and says, “That actually kind of makes sense…” I probably butchered that, but I can say the delivery was really sharp. I’m getting a good vibe from this film. Of course, I’ve seen a lot of sequences out of context and the real test comes with the finished film, but I honestly like what I’ve seen so far. Segal introduced the cast and out came Hathaway and Carell. Here are the bits gleaned from the panel:

- Carell got a lot of OFFICE questions… I’ll start off with those. They’re back to work in 2 weeks now that the strike is over. - Carell just got out of a stint doing jury duty and said he’s going to write an episode of The Office where Michael Scott is called to serve. - How did Steve get into improv: “I didn’t want to learn lines.” - After a half-dozen questions for Steve, someone said they had a question for Anne Hathaway. The crowd cheered and Hathaway laughed and said, “I feel so much cooler than I did in high school.” Then the guy asked, “What was it like working with Steve Carell?” getting a huge laugh from the audience. Hathaway: “Now I feel exactly like I did in high school.” She followed that with some nice words for Carell, but I thought that first bit was pretty damn funny.

- What roles do the actors feel most similar to? Carell: “Becoming Jane.” Hathaway said she related to her “inner Daily Show correspondent.” - Segal, Carell and Hathaway would love to come back for further films. - SHAZAM, the next from Segal, is delayed because of the writer’s strike, but John August is working on it now. He joked about casting Carell as Captain Marvel and then said they had actually approached Dwayne Johnson to play Black Adam, which has been reported, but still cool. - Carell got serious when asked about working with Hathaway, saying how incredibly talented she is. He said that if you get to know her, you realize she’s a goofball… she jokes around, laughs, is very playful, but the second it’s time to roll, she was in character… demur, sophisticated… completely professional and ready to roll. The crowd “Awwwwed” and Hathaway blushed. It was pretty cute, I gotta admit…

-What films inspired the three to get into filmmaking? Segal: “YOUNG FRANKENSTEIN and STAR WARS.” Hathaway: “AUNTIE MAME,” she loved the way Rosalind Russell was about to be sexy and funny… and she loved the outfits. Carell: “DR. STRANGELOVE.” - One of the final questions was about favorite lines Carell has uttered. Someone shouted out “That’s what she said,” and he agreed that was a good one, then encouraged us all to “go out and work ‘That’s What She Said’ into every conversation. It works! You can say it with anything!”

Alright, another panel down. I started writing that after the first panel and now it’s almost 1am when I finally finish the write-up. I have FOX, DISNEY, NEW LINE and PARAMOUNT to go! Wish me luck! -Quint

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  • Feb. 24, 2008, 3:14 a.m. CST


    by hypnotron

    Or am I?

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 3:14 a.m. CST


    by hypnotron

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 3:14 a.m. CST


    by hypnotron

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 3:17 a.m. CST

    Wow, Camilla Belle looks good in those pics.

    by Playkins

    She's grown up quite a bit since Lost World.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 3:18 a.m. CST

    ..And Anne Hathaway looks six sides of awesome, too.

    by Playkins

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 3:26 a.m. CST

    "Should have been in the movies."

    by Retlaw Kciuq

    And too bad you aren't George, Quint. Yeah, sure, maybe Episode I should have a direct start to the more direct conflict of the Clone Wars (wait, it was... Naboo was a direct cause for the war)... I guess if you wanted more of a cartoony approach to the conflict, then by all means, that's your choice. But in my opinion, Lucas got everything right for this 22 year old.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 3:27 a.m. CST

    I guess Anakin was a Jedi Knight in "Sith."

    by Hercules

    More than a learner, less than a master.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 3:40 a.m. CST

    If Man of Steel does happen...

    by Shermdawg

    ...I hope Singer comes to his senses, and replaces Bosworth with Hathaway.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 3:41 a.m. CST


    by Quint

    You think the prequels are less cartoony than the Clone Wars toons? Maybe in execution, but certainly not in tone. But I'm glad you loved the prequels. I wish I could. I just get more and more sad that they ended up a huge missed opportunity the more distance I get from release. But that's me and I never claimed to be the end all be all of opinion on Star Wars.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 3:44 a.m. CST

    The prequels?

    by JimCurry

    Why - WHY - are we still talking about those movies? Jesus CHRIST people - we were all served shit on a plate... End the denial - the prequels were awful, and that fraud of a "director" deserves no more attention from us.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 3:45 a.m. CST

    And Herc

    by Quint

    You're probably right. I stepped shot right over Knight to Master. I'm sure someone would have called that out within Lucasfilm eons ago if that was BS... but then again, Yoda was supposed to have been Obi-Wan's master... you can try to explain that away, but everybody knows when they heard that in Empire they thought Obi-Wan was learning directly and only from Yoda. Anyway, I got so much more to do. I'll try to calm the offended Star Wars fan inside me a bit and get the nose to the grindstone...

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 3:47 a.m. CST

    So let's get this straight....

    by Kirbymanly

    You got to see Kristen Bell, Camilla Belle AND Anne Hathaway? Live. In person. Three cat's meows. Wow. That's all I gots ta say. You're a very lucky man.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 3:52 a.m. CST

    Quint hasnt had pussy since pussy had HIM!!!

    by Mike_D

    its a fact Harry!! ;)

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 3:53 a.m. CST

    Live action please

    by manuk666

    Cartoons are nice, I want to see a darker SW tho, transformed, cruel, NEW. Anything starship related looks great on the trailer

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 3:53 a.m. CST

    That exact same Clone Wars video...

    by Sledge Hammer

    ...has been on the Star Wars site for at least a month.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 4:01 a.m. CST


    by Retlaw Kciuq

    I didn't mean to offend you in anyway. I enjoy reading you. However, there comes a time when people need to let go of their hatred and disappointment for the trilogy and simply move on.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 4:08 a.m. CST


    by Retlaw Kciuq

    That entire micro-episode of Mace facing off against the Droid Army of the Confederacy was above and beyond more of a cartoon than Episode II & III. I is a different beast entirely but I look past those snippets and enjoy the story as a whole.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 4:28 a.m. CST

    shit, shit, shit

    by bacci40

    so comic con gets the a-list movies and wondercon gets shit...the comic convention on the west coast is dead...wonder what shit wizard is gonna have

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 4:33 a.m. CST

    Yoda trained Obiwan

    by _SnakePlissken_

    when he was small a boy (just like he does all the "younglings in Ep II) up until late teens, then Liam Nelson took over. He then took him for his last few years to hone his skills better. So i'd is justified to say Yoda was Obi-wans master and trainer

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 4:36 a.m. CST

    my dream would be

    by _SnakePlissken_

    for Lucas Films to do the Timothy Zahn trilogy set few years after Jedi, do it with realistic computer generated movies and with the real actors voices.. that would kick ass

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 5:23 a.m. CST

    Hayden Christensen...

    by jackalcack

    ...shouldn't have been in the movies

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 5:43 a.m. CST

    Good grief

    by Pipple

    I just am not getting this obsession with Prequel EU here. There's nothing to explore. We know how it all ends. What kind of dumbass would set a story then? At least with the little clone war toons we didn't get to see Revenge yet. Oh well toss your money in the trash kids. sad...

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 5:44 a.m. CST


    by Quint

    It might be justified, but it's still a cop-out.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 6:03 a.m. CST

    So does this dismiss the clones wars cartoon?

    by lex romero

    I thought the CGI ones were more of an extended remake of the cartoon but from the sounds of it it's a completely different series.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 6:03 a.m. CST

    Zahn Trilogy

    by Sprout

    It might help if they adapted all the comics that the Zahn trilogy refers to first.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Hyper space

    by Shoegeezer

    It may not sound like a big deal, but the absence of the stretching stars jump to light speed in the prequels was a great example of how Lucas stuffed things up. All the original movies have it, a simple yet always crowd pleasing effect, yet conspicuous by its absence in the prequels. Nice to see it back, that's all.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 7:57 a.m. CST

    I could watch Clone Wars all day long

    by GodMars

    But seriously, people are going to pay to see this Get Smart movie? There is a joke in there, somewhere...

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 8:18 a.m. CST

    ya' know The Rock....

    by Big Dan

    could pass for Captain Marvel or Black Adam. Tough call there.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 8:21 a.m. CST

    why should it have been in the movie??

    by theycallmemrglass

    The Clone Wars was a back drop to the main storyline of Anakin's descent into darkness (or murderous psychotic madness, if you will). Thats why there were superb short cartoons of the back drop Clone Wars to fill the gap (which wold have dragged in the main movies. Personally, i dont give a flying frak about the new Cone Wars cartoon because its story doesnt grab me. We all wanted to know Darth Vader's and Obi Wan' story and that what Lucas gave us and I for one was grateful to have the enjoyable prequels. I just now wish they could give us something fresher like a Knights of the Old Republic storyline (like an ancient china 3 Kingdoms scenario). Or perhaps if they are scared to go that far back then give us an enjoyable background story of a Rogue Scoundrel, could be Han Solo's father. I can think of some great story lines of such setting. I'm sure they can. But most star wars fans were crying out for more WAR...they listened, they're giving you more Clone Wars. Thats not what I cry out for.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 8:26 a.m. CST

    Should Have Been In The Movies Indeed!

    by LaserPants

    Of all the problems with the prequels, the fact that the major conflict of the entire goddamn thing is in the background is, for me, the #1 problem with the whole series. Yes, worse than Jar Jar, worse than midichlorians (which actually don't really bother me all that much), and slightly, just slightly, worse than Anakin as 8 year old moppet in the nearly unwatchable TPM. <br><br> The entire prequels should have focused on Anakin's descent into madness as a result of living through the horrors of war. Specifically, The Clone Wars. Oh well. I still think ROTS is totally f*cking awesome. Easily the best since ESB.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 8:42 a.m. CST

    Oh, And I'm Really Excited For This

    by LaserPants

    Of course its a money-grab and a way to expand the franchise to new audiences, but I don't care. I love Star Wars and think this show has a lot of potential.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 9 a.m. CST


    by BizarroJerry

    I believe it was purposely left out of the prequels to let ANH have that exciting first reveal of inside hyperspace.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Anne Hathaway

    by Maegnarval

    I think Anne has been looking to getting a part in the next Superman movie already. Also, she may be looking to get like the reporter part in Godzilla Vs. Deathla!

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Clones is the worst of the prequels.

    by rbatty024

    I'm pleased to see people have come around to this point. I remember shortly after the film, when I was in awe of how absolutely terrible it was, and hearing people talk about how much better Attack of the Clones was than Phantom Menace. I couldn't understand it. The Phantom Menace had some bad moments but nothing worse than the unconvincing love scenes and talk about sand. There's almost nothing redeeming about that movie.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 10:35 a.m. CST

    Yes! Anakin can have a Padawan!

    by arloflores

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 10:36 a.m. CST

    The Last 30-45 Minutes Of AOTC Is Pretty Kewl

    by LaserPants

    The problem with AOTC lies in the first 90 minutes, which is really pretty awful. TPM awful. I liked the part where Anakin freaks out about his mom, though and starts choppin' up Tuskens. Even offscreen, you get the deal. But, ultimately, none of that matters, because everything good is packed into ROTS which is clearly the only prequel worth watching, and the third best of the Star Wars movies after ESB and ANH.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Yes! Anakin can have a Padawan!

    by arloflores

    There are three levels of the Jedi: Padawan, Jedi Knight, and Jedi Master. If I am to understand the storyline this takes place AFTER Anakin is made a Jedi Knight. If you'll remember from TPM after Yoda told Obi-Wan he had been made a KNIGHT he agreed to let him take on Anakin as his padawan. Yes, it is possible for Anakin to have a padawan.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 10:40 a.m. CST


    by Lazarus Long

    Nothing redeeming? I thought the whole Obi-Wan detective story aspect of the plot was a refreshing change of pace, culminating in a pretty cool fight in the rain with Jango. I don't know how you write that off. And the whole arena section...I guess you buy it or you don't. I thought the creatures were done better than anything in Lord of the Rings, with some great humor involved in their interaction with the heroes, and while the Clones/Jedi/Droid battle often threatened to descend into a CGI mess, it would get back to our characters and raise the stakes. I don't think I need to defend the Yoda scene at the end, either. I've never heard a crowd cheer louder than when he walked around the corner to face Dooku. What I also like about Clones is that it spins the threads from the first film into a pretty labyrinthine web. Some people are bored by the whole Palpatine/clones conspiracy plot, I loved it.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 10:53 a.m. CST

    The ultimate Star Wars experiment

    by deathbird

    Find a creative, extremely sheltered 20 year old who knows nothing about Star Wars. Show him ROTS/ANH/TESB--generally considered the best three--and tell him they never got around to making I, II, and VI. Ask him to write some story outlines on what he think happened. Odds are his beginning and ending would be better than Lucas's.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 11:12 a.m. CST

    "Sith" is one of the best in the series

    by Razorback

    Stop pretending it isn't.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 11:21 a.m. CST

    "Sith" rocked. Period.

    by deathbird

    There's something amiss when a SW film receives more praise from critics than Internet geeks.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Get Smart still sounds like SHIT!!

    by rectalscan

    I like reading your columns Quint, but why suck up to these people? Segal a\has stated before that he DISLIKED Get Smart. He is SCREWING IT UP. Not funny. We want smart writing, NOT butt-jokes and ad-libs. Stop being a hollywood whore Quint and just be NEUTRAL until you see the flick please??!! And I don't mean snuggling up with the director in the editing room. Ghee Whizz!!

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Sorry guys, ROTS is indefensible

    by IndustryKiller!

    From the Jedi going down like a bunch of bitches, to Lucas directly contradicting the OT, to boiling ANakin's descent to the dark side to a random hunch (which when it comes true he inexplicably doesn't follow through on), to the horribly shot lightsaber duels, to Hayden Christensens wretched acting (FAR worse than Mark Hamill. The film gets just about EVERYTHING wrong.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Quint's Apprentice Question

    by JTStarkiller

    <<I’m not sure if I have my nerd rules right, but didn’t Anakin get denied being upgraded to Jedi Master in Episode 3? Are apprentices allowed to have apprentices?>> Anakin was not an apprentice during a lot of the clone wars, as is indicated by the episode when he is knighted. You can also tell by his hair in the pics from the new series that he's not an apprentice. As for the master thing, he never was a Jedi Master, but that doesn't mean you can't be a master to a student, to an apprentice. Jedi Master isn't a rank for those with students, but when you reach a level when you've "mastered the force." Confusing, I know.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 12:21 p.m. CST

    AOTC is the best prequel by far

    by bullet3

    I can't believe everyone defends Revenge of the Sith, after the opening 20 minutes, that movie was a complete travesty. Anakin turn to the dark side is a joke, and they keep, and the end fight scenes were oddly uninvolving and kinda boring. Attack of the clones, minus the 20 minute romantic sub-plot, had the awesome city chase, the fight with Obi-Wan and Jango, the asteroid chase, and the entire last 30 minutes. It's by far the best of the prequels.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Great panels with some idiot geeks in the Q&A...

    by Zardoz

    One lame-ass, who was trying to kiss-up to Carell by saying, "I thought you should've been The Joker..." got his mic cut immediately and the audience of at least 4,000 geeks sounded like they were (justifiably) gonna lynch the guy right then and there. (C'mon man, even if you really believe that, there's an appropriate time and place to say something like that, and that wasn't it: in a room full of comic geeks who are psyched to see Heath Ledger IN HIS FINAL ROLE as The Joker!) Two other a-holes tried to get Carell to pose for pics with them and get autographs. Both were booed by the audience, and Carell, after politely saying "Sure", hilariously back-tracked and started mock-yelling, "No! Absolutely not! How dare you!" to the guys. Seriously fanboys, stop wasting everyone's time with your plaintive idolatry. Anyway, the vibe I got on all of the films was exactly the same as Quint's, but I'm really psyched to see "Get Smart" now, as it looks very fun and funny. Oh, and Camilla Belle and Anne Hathaway are charming and beautiful, and I think they seemed genuinely surprised to hear people tell them exactly how beautiful they are...

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 12:24 p.m. CST

    I'm bored with the prequel era.

    by Premiere Warlord Bush

    Tartakovsky's Clone Wars ruled-ass and covered the whole war-era pretty well. I say bring on a Knights of the Old Republic movie.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 12:26 p.m. CST

    What's wrong with the Jedi going down like bitches?

    by deathbird

    It was a corrupt religious order that sold out its principles by participating in a manufactured war. The galaxy was doomed regardless; it was only because of Qui-Gon the maverick, and his "discovery" of Anakin/Luke/Leia, that allowed for Palpatine's fall. Great story if you ask me.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Corrupt religious organization?

    by IndustryKiller!

    It's shit like that I'm talking about. This is how people misconstrue the story because of Lucas' terrible prequels. And the character of Qui Gon wasn't even supposed to exist.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 12:36 p.m. CST

    The problem with the fall of the jedi is...

    by bullet3

    The problem with the fall of the jedi is they somehow don't see it coming. I hate to cite maddox of all people, but he kinda nailed the problem with the story. The Jedi are all-seeing, and can sense feelings, and see all these premonitions, but they miss a galactic conspiracy involving millions of troops? I just don't buy that.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Also bullet...

    by IndustryKiller!

    it is said in the OT that Darth Vader "hunted down and murdered" (or something like that)the Jedi. Now I'm not sure what hunting down is to George Lucas, but it isn't just speaking an order to an entirely separate army. And hunt implies that there was some actual searching to do, not that the killers all happened to be standing right fucking next to the Jedi when the order went through. By doing it the lazy way, Lucas also robs Vader of the 10% of the badassery he had left after Christensens whiny stilted performance.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Yeah thats the worst part

    by bullet3

    Taking one of the greatest villains and making him into a complete, whiny, bratty, idiot. Ya, the progression started in attack of the clones, but ROTS could have saved it, and really made him into a great villain. Why not have the jedi somehow accidentally kill padme, anakin gets pissed, and just starts hunting them all down or something. I don't know, anything would've been better than a stupid dream.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 12:55 p.m. CST

    all that shit was "in the movies"

    by sith_rising

    we saw Anakin being a hero and a failure, we saw his strained relationship with Obi-Wan, and we saw at least 3 seperate Clone Wars engagements. don't be a prick.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 12:58 p.m. CST

    We didn't see any of that Sith_Rising

    by IndustryKiller!

    We heard it mentioned and we saw it briefly glossed over, never dealt with. I never saw a thing that would make me think Obi-Wan and Anakin ever even liked each other, let alone the greatest of friends. And we saw the beginning of the Clone Wars, we never got to see anything that would give us the breadth of wartime. You're filling in the blanks with the jumbled pieces Lucas gave you, blanks HE should have filled in if he had any sense of what good storytelling is.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 1:10 p.m. CST

    "Qui-Gon wasn't even supposed to exist?"

    by deathbird

    Who are you, Gary Kurtz?

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Hyperspace maybe got a bit faster

    by pokadoo the 20 years or so between trilogys, thus the streatchy stars in eps 4-6. In the 3rd trilogy, they will have Tartan coloured "Ludicrous Speed"!

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Prequel EU...

    by maxwell's hammer

    ... has some good story-telling potential. And I know i'll probably get flamed for bringing it up, but some of the EU novels set in this era are pretty good...most notably, the Clone-Trooper novels, which actually give the clones some depth, and make them into sympathetic characters. All the prequels are a little more interesting knowing what I know about them from the books. And the last book in that particular series (entiteld "Order 66) will show how the newly developed and sympathetic clones react when they're given the order to assassinate all the Jedi.<BR> <BR> Knowing the ending of the war can add weight to the stories that take place during it, if done correctly.<BR>

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Bummer, No WATCHMEN at the panel?

    by grievenom

    I guess next Wondercon, though that would be only a week or 2 before the release of the movie. Hopefully there will be some Watchmen stuff at Comic-Con this summer.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 2:39 p.m. CST

    They said Anakin was a Knight in Sith

    by skywalkerfamily

    But he could not serve on the Council.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Gamerra and the like

    by IndustryKiller!

    Anytime you guys care to back up your points, which I have done ad nauseam, instead of just throwing flagrant personal attacks, I'm all ears.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 2:51 p.m. CST


    by MirageIII4ever

    One of the things i don´t get (and there are many) is why George Lucas believes that 30+ year old fans (i´m one of them) want to see a cartoon. I don´t. SW is alive for morons like me who can pay dvd´s and such and were kids when the OT were released. I want 10-50-100 years after Endor and stuff like that, new things.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 2:57 p.m. CST

    so basically

    by livahd

    emmerich ripped this movie off the discovery channel, and then saw the 2012/ mayan/ end of the world special on the history channel last month, and figured he'd do it again. HACK.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Episode 2 should've been Ep1....and so on.

    by Playkins

    Ep3 would've been a good Ep2, and we needed an Episode 3 with Darth Vader in full-badass mode. Fuck the series, Lucas. Just give us Episodes 2.5 and 4.5 and fix up all the wierd inconsistencies.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 3:27 p.m. CST

    If the Cartoon doesn't suck like the EU

    by skywalkerfamily

    I'll be fine.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 3:40 p.m. CST

    I Like Some Of The EU

    by LaserPants

    But alot of it is PU. Get it?! OMG!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!! No, but seriously, some of the EU is good. I dig the Legacy comic and Legacy of the Force novels.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 4:02 p.m. CST

    You guys expected a badass Vader?

    by deathbird

    C'mon, that ROTJ redemption story is absurd enough as it is; the last thing we needed was an entire movie chronicling more of Vader's war crimes.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 4:11 p.m. CST

    The PT had everything we needed to see

    by sith_rising

    Follow EU if you like, but it's not needed. the prequels show Anakin's rise and fall, how the Clone Wars begin and end, the rise of Sidious and the Empire, how Anakin was seduced, how the Jedi were blinded, corrupted by their clinging to tradition, and destroyed by their lack of trust in Anakin, who could have been their savior. Don't blame Lucas because some people wanted to see 6 hours of Boba Fett disintegrating people and a suited Vader fighting random, nameless, faceless Jedi who have no importance to the story. The PT was fine as it is. You know it, I know it, and that's why we all saw it opening night and then bought the DVD, so don't act like you hated it. For the record, I hate the EU, but I'll watch the show anyway.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 4:24 p.m. CST

    You're right Sith_Rising

    by IndustryKiller!

    That stuff is in the prequels, unfortunately it's told so amatuerishly that it's impossible to believe, or it directly contradicts what we are told in the OT, OR it shows the unimportant parts and the most dramatic stuff is left offscreen. And don't act like I'm pretended to dislike the prequels, it's been chronicled over and over again what the problems are by myself and many many others. I'll tell you what I told everyone else, you want to defend the prequels, stop being general, cite some examples of how it succeeds.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 4:34 p.m. CST

    who invented erica spencer?

    by HtownActor

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 4:55 p.m. CST

    The PT was the best SW EU

    by skywalkerfamily

    I mean really people.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 4:59 p.m. CST


    by bullet3

    The "basic" story is fine, it's just handled really badly, and the motivations are extremly unbelievable. And Vader killing random Jedi would be much more important to the story and interesting than 95% of Phantom Menace, so don't even try to go that route.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 6:04 p.m. CST


    by skywalkerfamily

    Bring it on GL!

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 6:27 p.m. CST

    sithrising: "The PT had everything we needed to see"

    by Playkins

    Uhhhh....., except inspired direction and acting,evenly-paced scripts, and consistent effects. Really, man- It's sad to go back and watch them in order and rediscover that "Phantom Menace" LOOKED the best out of all of them. 2 and 3 look like Pixar films.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Consistent effects?

    by skywalkerfamily

    The prequels looked pretty damn awesome. Why do people want shitty models and crap bluescreen work.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 7:03 p.m. CST

    The Zahn trilogy is shit

    by I Dunno

    furry worms that absorb the Force? Clones with extra vowels in their name?

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 7:55 p.m. CST

    you tell em' skywalkerfamily

    by sith_rising

    Playkins was there at midnight to see ROTS. we all know it.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 8:16 p.m. CST


    by uss cygnus

    Anakin Skywalker becomes Darth Vader. We get the fucking point. Enough. Mommy, make it stop.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 8:51 p.m. CST

    Prequel Trilogy....

    by Quake II

    It's amazing how Lucas took a 3 hour story, stretched into 7 hours and still left out the majority of the plot about how Anakin turned to the dark side...Instead of getting to the meat of the story, he introduces 25 new characters that do little to nothing to further the story.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 9:32 p.m. CST

    People still care about Star Wars

    by SlickyVonBoner

    nearly $1 billion in domestic grosses for horribly reviewed flicks, show that people still care. The point is that Lucas needs to hand the reigns over to more capable people. He royally fucked the prequels. I hope the live action show survives his first few scripted episodes and better writers take over. That's why the original miniseries Clone Wars cartoons rocked so much... Lucas didn't write them.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 11:10 p.m. CST

    it's easy to make a two minute cartoon awesome

    by sith_rising

    those animated shorts sucked. I don't see how anyone can attack Lucas and Prequel Trilogy, yet defend Mace Windu surfing a droid, or Yoda dropping a huge Federation landing craft like it's nothing. He struggled to pull a fighter out of a swamp. Oh, I forgot, "THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE OVER THE TOP!" Whatever.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 11:11 p.m. CST

    and yes,

    by sith_rising

    i know Anakin surfed that big fat pig-tick in AOTC. but if that Tartovsky fucker tried to make a 6 hour saga out of his gay little animated shorts, you guys would all be in for a very gay, Powerpuff-inspired ride.

  • Feb. 25, 2008, 12:11 a.m. CST

    This is me

    by Solrider77

    I'm the one who asked: - Someone asked about the possible connection between 10,000 BC and STARGATE. Emmerich said that there is no direct connection, no cross-over, but there is a similar backbone, namely the Lost Civilization theory, that the Egyptians didn’t build the pyramids. I'd seen it actually here during an early discussion of 10,000 BC last year.

  • Feb. 25, 2008, 12:29 a.m. CST


    by JLo III

    You are right! turn it over to someone who cares and is hungry and will make it dark. Just take it back to the tone and feel of ANH and TESB. Lucas still has good ideas but man it's time to do something for the fans.<p> I know a lot of you out there love the PT and are very happy with it but for me there is just to much sillyness going on. I know there was humor in 4 and 5 but there is such a fine line and I think they crossed way over it.<P>I dont' know about the rest of you but I still have an itch to see a really really bad ass Star Wars movie on the big screen. ROTS was close, I like that one a lot but it wasn't a home run for me. I believe if there is a demand at some point Lucas and company will meet that demand. All I can say is keep posting on these sites, if you love it or hate just keep making noise and eventually someone will take notice.<p>By the way this little trailer makes Clone Wars look like it might be good. Should have been cover more in the PT but anyways looks like it might be good.

  • Feb. 25, 2008, 12:33 a.m. CST


    by JLo III

    You are right! turn it over to someone who cares and is hungry and will make it dark. Just take it back to the tone and feel of ANH and TESB. Lucas still has good ideas but man it's time to do something for the fans.<p> I know a lot of you out there love the PT and are very happy with it but for me there is just to much sillyness going on. I know there was humor in 4 and 5 but there is such a fine line and I think they crossed way over it.<P>I dont' know about the rest of you but I still have an itch to see a really really bad ass Star Wars movie on the big screen. ROTS was close, I like that one a lot but it wasn't a home run for me. I believe if there is a demand at some point Lucas and company will meet that demand. All I can say is keep posting on these sites, if you love it or hate just keep making noise and eventually someone will take notice.<p>By the way this little trailer makes Clone Wars look like it might be good. Should have been cover more in the PT but anyways looks like it might be good.

  • Feb. 25, 2008, 12:39 a.m. CST

    What made the Clone Wars good

    by SlickyVonBoner

    was that the CARTOON characters actually had... well, character. Yeah, some action was over the top, but story had more depth and meaning. That scene with the Shaak-Ti and the other two Jedi defending the Chancellor from Grevious was better than most scenes in the prequel trilogy. You actually care about the characters, and feel the suspense. Grevious was a bad-ass, Jedi-terminator for the Jedi to fear, even though they shouldn't know fear.. but in the movies he's turned into some coward that hits-and-runs every chance he gets. Anakin trying to do the right thing by saving the aliens being experimented on, but pushing himself dangerously to the darkside to do it... THAT's what the entire prequels should have been about. That writer got Star Wars right in 10 minute shorts, what Lucas could not do in 3- 2 hour movies.

  • Feb. 25, 2008, 12:42 a.m. CST

    One more thing...

    by JLo III

    If anyone out there thinks that Lucas doesn't respond to the fans then just take a look at how much screen time Jar Jar had in Episode I and how much screen time he had in Episode II and III. They do listen, so keep posting.

  • Feb. 25, 2008, 12:47 a.m. CST

    Thanks JLo

    by SlickyVonBoner

    I don't hate the PT, just think it could have been so much more. I'm excited for anything new 'cause I would like to see what some fresh new writers could do with the universe.

  • Feb. 25, 2008, 2:07 a.m. CST

    can we get an prequel with a burly 35-yr-old Anakin?

    by George Newman

    Darth Vader is a big barrel-chested beast in the original trilogy. In SITH he is no thicker than a bean pole. Surely he doesnt just pack on the pounds, stuffing his face with donuts and whatnot. <p> ALSO, the whole age bracket was off in the prequels. The 18-year time gap between Ep. III and 4 would set Anakin in his 30s-40s and Obi Wan in his 50s. <p>You can't tell me that in 18 years Obi Wan ages from Ewan to Alec. Or Hayden ages into Robert Shaw in that brief a time.

  • Feb. 25, 2008, 3:12 p.m. CST


    by INWOsuxRED

    Isn't that the supposed live-action TV period of time?

  • Feb. 25, 2008, 3:22 p.m. CST

    I'm a creationist in one sense.

    by C.K. Lamoo

    I prefer to have dinosaurs in my caveman movies.