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The Most Dedicated FANBOYS have Targeted The Weinstein Company for crimes against FANBOYS!
Hey folks, Harry here... I've only seen the original cut of FANBOYS - which I really really enjoyed and I kinda can't imagine the cut I've heard described. That said, Moriarty has seen all three cuts - and prefers the Weinstein cut - but then... he's not a fan of any version of the film. I think the issue here is who is FANBOYS being made for? I feel the first cut is very much a charming, funny and oddly touching story for geeks that customize their cars and love and cherish the "holy trilogy" and that stood in lines for days upon days and even weeks for the first Prequel. This is a film about that mania. Here's a letter from Jek Porkins who is leading this battle...
Dear Harry, We're a group of Star Wars fans and 501st Legion members who donated our time, costumes, props, and support to help make the movie FANBOYS, a movie about some Star Wars fans who decide to break in to Skywalker Ranch and steal a print of Episode I so that their friend can see it before he dies of cancer. We agreed to be involved because it has heart, and is a movie about friendship and what it means to be a fan. Now, after delaying the release of the movie for over a year, the Weinstein Company (the studio who owns it) has decided to recut the entire movie so that it mocks Star Wars fans. They're planning to remove the cancer plotline and have the fans break into Skywalker Ranch for no reason at all - just because they're "Death Star Dorks" (from the Weinstein Co. website). They plan to rip the heart out of the movie and turn it into a mindless comedy that ridicules Star Wars fans, instead of celebrating them. We (a group of fans and 501st Legion members) have decided to organize an international boycott by Star Wars fans of all Weinstein Company films, unless they release the original version of FANBOYS. This past weekend, we launched these three websites to announce our intended boycott: Myspace Beam.To Seeya.at We're going to attack the Weinstein Company death star, even if it is a suicide mission. A link bump from AICN would really help spread the word of our cause, and maybe draw the attention of the national media. Help us, Harry. You're our only hope! Thanks for your time. And May the Force Be With You! Jek Porkins and the Stop Darth Weinstein Squadron
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YES!!!!!
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They are right.
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Thats all I have to say about that.
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Blow those fuckers up, 501st.
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Feb. 20, 2008, 3:14 p.m. CST
So, how long before someone takes the screen name "Darth Weinste
by SpyGuy
You know it's coming.
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And will anyone care?
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I can relate to that... I mean if I had a terminable illness that was going to kill me before Deathly Hallows came out, I'd want my friends to steal me a copy so I could read it!
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The market will correct this.
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Its okay to change the film to make fun of Fanboys, because some fanboys like to pretend they are members of a fictional space army, even as grown men, and go on "missions" to take down death stars of mockery.
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Remember the good ol' days when the Subject Line had an automatic limit BEFORE you posted? Ah, good times...
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but it won't work... maybe we could get the original cut on the dvd, hopefully. Nevertheless, i'm in. Fuck the Weinsteins!!
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Should step in and stop this nonsense. As a thank you to all of us for buying like 9 versions of the trilogy growing up.
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All Weinstein movies sit on the shelf then die a quick death. Not even Tarantino can save them anymore.
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"501st Legion members"? WTF? Someone call Triumph The Insult Comic Dog.
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Feb. 20, 2008, 3:21 p.m. CST
...turn it into a mindless comedy that ridicules Star Wars fans
by The Central Scrutinizer
Anyone who would go out of their way to see "Episode One" deserves to be mocked!!!
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Cause Trekkies kinda sucked.
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As I wasn't planning on seeing it anyway.
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...and Michael Bay, too.
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Didn't Porkins die on the first run at the Death Star? I keep hearing about this movie having heart....well I guess the Weinstein's just gave it the old Mola Ram.
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that the last thing this guy really wanted to see was episode i?<p>
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This flick's attempt to launch has been full of more unfufilled build ups than a night at the strip club.
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The people who would be trying to steal a copy of Episode I in this movie wouldn't know how horrible it is considering it's set before it hit theaters. Hindsight is 20/20. Foresight ... not so much.
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and laugh my ass off
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but I feel bad for them. And every cause involving "DarthWeistein" has my attention!
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has my support
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A movie about fans of Lucas's Star Wars movie and ITS getting messed up some where along the line? I think all OT fans should be able to relate to this. Is this life imitating art or art imitating life?
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...will give it lots of free publicity, because no one in the real world knows this thing exists. The Weinsteins will be pleased.
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The Weinstein's screwing with film makers. What? I don't believe it.
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Put the above email from "Jek Porkins" into the movie - maybe as a postscript, to further make fun of the "Death Star Dorks."
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No need to publicly boycott it, something don't need to be said.
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Guys who dress up as Stormtroopers are going to boycott a Star Wars themed movie? I don't think so. Every one of those geeks will be there on opening weekend no matter how many online petitions they sign to the contrary.
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So shouldn't the 501st be breaking into the Weinstein company headquarters to steal the original print? Watch out Porkins.....you die first.
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The filmmakers should have never got involved with the Weinsteins. Studios don't want a Star Wars fan film -- they want the "Star Wars Kid" video from youtube. <p> An exercise in pure mockery.
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And the fact that groups like these petition it ensure its failure.
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People were cheering and going crazy over shorts of this. I remember shaking hands with the producer. I asked him when it was coming out. It was meant to be out in Feb 07. Now they are recutting it? Also what's happening with the crocodile movie Rogue?
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. . . show the characters' dawning realization that the prequels suck ass?
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fuck, I hate the prequels
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1. Everyone knows HW lost it some five years ago. 2. No one cares about your whiney fanboy opinion anyway. 3. Goto 1.
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On hearing that Miramax co-chairman Harvey Weinstein would try to cut animator Hayao Miyazaki's Princess Mononoke to make it more marketable, one of Studio Ghibli's producers sent an authentic katana with a simple message: "No cuts". They should send him a lightsabre.
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Q.T. R.R. and Kevin Smith is that their movies keep these guys in business. Sounds like Harvey is cutting the soul out of the movie. Then again he sold his to the devil years ago.
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It's a bummer what's happening to the film and I hope what the filmmaker originally intended will see release someday (probably on DVD after this movie comes out and tanks). But I think the time to complain about being humiliated and made fun of was when "Warzoids" and that other documentary making the entire Star Wars fandom look like a bunch of clueless assclowns came out.
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Show the origional, everyone loves a "my friend is dying lets get him to the top of the mountain/dangerous country/see the prequel of his childhood favorite move......
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It's a sad day when the director goes on Internet podcasts to talk about the movie.
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Feb. 20, 2008, 4:04 p.m. CST
WOW... just imagine if they spent time on useful stuff
by superduper3000
No offense, but imagine all this internet energy and passion put to good use instead of complete wastes of time? Can you think of it? Cure for AIDS? Cancer? ...dare I say it, but maybe even the perfect ice cream swirl? Consider the possibilities!! <BR> <BR> http://tinyurl.com/23n3p3
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Hey, some crappy SW fan made movie is coming out
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Feb. 20, 2008, 4:08 p.m. CST
Galaxy Quest got laughs at Trekkies' expense without being cruel
by BrandLoyalist
The Triumph sketch really was a riot, but I wasn't pointing and laughing at the fans, I was laughing at Robert Smigel's hilarious improv, which was only reasonably cruel, and the genius sight gag of having Spock show up and give them all the finger.
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Is it April Fool's Day already?
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You are going to die in 80 years or so anyway so why is finding those cures more important than creating things that make the time on earth enjoyable/meaningful? Not to say the cures are not important, but the creations that enrich our lives (arts,lit,etc) are equally important. Therefore I endorse your search for the perfect ice cream swirl.
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Not too long.
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actually donate time and money for charities, and make special appearances? Sounds like they're doin quite a bit, superduper . . .<p>I'd be pissed too if I put in time and resources into a film and then the entire project changed overnight . . . but as someone said, not to shocked to see the W's fucking over film makers.
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Suck a cock.
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Good luck boycotting all films with the Weinstein name going forward. It's a grandiose goal, and perhaps it sends a message, but wouldn't it make more sense to simply refuse to see FANBOYS? Regardless of the tone of the Weinstein cut, there's no question that the company would still rely on marketing it to STAR WARS fans. Convince STAR WARS fans to avoid it, and you've destroyed its audience. Based on what I've seen of this film, I really doubt Weinstein is going to draw much of a profit with the non-STAR WARS fans by promising mockery of STAR WARS nerds.<br><br>Regardless, it makes little difference - you know the special edition DVD will have all the versions, and at this rate this movie could be headed straight-to-DVD.
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My god how people whine. Julie Taymor whined because she didn't get her 4 hour cut of Across the Universe and Joe Roth edited it down. Why? Because he paid for the damn thing. <P> The Weinsteins are re-editing Fanboys because they think it will make more money that way. Why? Because they paid for the rights. If the creators were silly enough to sign over the ability to re-edit the film when they sold it, then that would be THEIR asshattery - not that of the Weinsteins. <P> Much like the writers who bitched during the strike about how their visions are never really realized by the people who pay for their scripts - here's a newsflash. <P> If you DON'T want other people mucking about with your ART, PAY FOR IT YOURSELF AND RELEASE IT YOURSELF.<P> Or at the very least, negotiate your rights in the contract. But don't bitch about what the people controlling the pursestrings are doing with it after the fact.
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tis true mon frere
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the mass e-mailing to every Weinstein employee's e-mail address is the smart thing to do. That's just going to royally piss those people off and could hurt in the long run. It's like you keep tapping them on the shoulder until they give in. Is there a petition I could sign? That might be the better way to go about this, 501st.
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YUCK YUCK YUCK!!! For some reason I thought the Weinsteins cared about fans. If I still had Falcor, I'd go over to their house & we'd make a spectacle I tell ya... ROOOOAAAAARRRR!!!!
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And a lot of those people you listed don't even have a say in the matter.
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That's a fair point, but I don't think I would dismiss it as "whining." I don't see any problem with the Fanboys potential audience expressing their disapproval and thus letting the folks who paid for the rights know that their decision of using this other cut is not wholly approved and thus has financial risk associated with it. Of course the Weinstein Company has the right to make the ultimate decision. No one is debating that. What they are doing is expressing an opinion using the only tool that the Weinstein Company seems willing to recognize: dollars and cents.
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...then they shouldn't have shown him "Episode One." Seeing that film probably made his cancer worse.
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Handing her a plaque for her work on the movie: http://tinyurl.com/37jglp. A pity for her, Sam Huntington, Chris Marquette, Dan Fogler, Jay Baruchel (the actors) and the writers and director. The Weinsteins must've been doing doobies in the schoolyard when a teacher said 'if it's not broke, don't fix it.'
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I mean, really?
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http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117981194.html?categoryid=13&cs=1
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It's as if they changed a true story of one of your dear friends...deal with it
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Feb. 20, 2008, 5:23 p.m. CST
I wonder if the filmmakers signed over their moral rights?
by monorail77
If the filmmakers retained their moral rights, there is still a chance they could get an injunction against this proposed Weinstein cut. Just sayin. I'd be surprised if they didn't contractually sign them away, but you never know. Even if they did, they may want to take a run at this in court anyway. Its sounds like such a bastardization they may have a chance.
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The whole cancer thing is the hackiest hack gimmic I have ever heard anyway. "How can we make it so the "fanboys" in the movie are not thieves or jackoffs? OH! CANCER! Everyone hates cancer! Breaking the law to help a cancer boy!" The next movie these guys make can be about a guy who must rob a bank or else someone will kick his puppy. It's a MOVIE. And whatever makes it better is fine by me... six months from now when I maybe catch it on Netflix.
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yeah like i am really going to not watch any movie from the weinstiens company becuase this piece of shit is being changed, whatever.
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The only options are "more stupid" or "less stupid." I'm not sure which is which in this case.
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Feb. 20, 2008, 5:59 p.m. CST
Let's Boycott the Prequel Trilogy for better edits!
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
I guess we're too late.
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Nothing brings out the douchebaggery here quite as fast and as furious as anything involving Star Wars.
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whatever shall we do?
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Wow. That is pretty sad.
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The Good: Two features, each based on three of the Otomo books. The Bad: Warner Brothers. The Ugly: Leo stars, but hopefully with a really bad Japanese accent this time.
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Yes, it's emotional, but why fuck with the original vision? Mr Veldt, then: <p> "Honestly, if you're going to call yourself that, then fucking respect those that you are basing the movie off of - us the fans. We are the ones who made Star Wars what it still is today. We are the ones who make it live on, and always live on, through posters and memorabilia and every ounce of marketing that we embrace as collector's items. We are the ones that could finally have a voice and a representation in a movie named after us. Respect us. Respect us as we desperately cry out for you to keep the soul of this movie intact." <p> Or, if not broke, don't fix. I want to see this movie because I'm a KB fan. But not at the expense of the filmmaker's original vision.
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These offended super fanboys will never really boycott this film. They will talk about boycotting it, but in truth, they will wait overnight to see it opening day. Weinstein Company could release 4 different versions and they will line up to see all of them. The nerd inside will not allow them to miss anything even remotely related to Star Wars.
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Kind of a negative title.
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It's just some rip off road movie trying to capitalize on SW.
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...Fanboys, then you need to respect the fanboys!? Is that a fucking joke? The ONLY sensible thing to do IS to mock you tards. You cant make a repsectful film about pathetic losers who play fancy dress all year long. The only avenue is mockery.
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This guy cuts shit just cuz he can... That said, the leader of this movement is a dork.
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...it never ceases to amaze me just how ignorant, intolerant, impatient juvenile and utterly pig-headed some of you talkbackers are. To those of you who HAVE NOT seen the film. YOU ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING RIGHT WHATSOEVER TO PREJUDGE THIS FILM. PERIOD. Those that are ALL guilty of prejudging the film WAY OUT OF CONTEXT. I was one of the lucky 200 who saw the rough cut way back on the 14th July AT Star Wars Celebration Europe. All that version needed was sweetening. Y'know, I think I've done being quiet about dealing with the prejudgment pricks who THINK they know how this film plays out. The film is road trip, a journey and will make you ask just how far would YOU go for a friend? To the prick who said the film was "hackey" for the inclusion of the original cancer plot FUCK YOU, FUCK YOU WITH A BIG FUCKING STICK. I know it's "only a movie" but when you truly give a shit about something or somebody, and you know what is right - YOU WILL GO TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Ask yourself this. What would YOU want to do if you knew you only had so long left, which of your wildest, most dear dreams would you want to have fulfilled. A lot of people have missed the entire point of this movie. It's NOT about episode I itself (I personally like the prequels - but an argument for another time) it's about how a common goal can unite people and bring out the very best in you - done with a lot of reverence for the original trilogy and a lot of laughs along the way. To those who only ever complain, bitch and moan about pretty much everything on Ain't it Cool - GO FUCK YOURSELVES. Come back when you're grown up and can actually formulate an opinion based on having actually seen or read what you have decide to criticize. Moreover, to those showing a complete lack of sensitivity to those who have lost people to cancer or are dealing with it themselves - BURN IN HELLFIRE - YOU DESERVE IT. This also goes to those belittling those great folks in the 501st. They have done an awful lot of good in the world, and their tireless hard work dedication and selflessness to bring a smile kids faces is a lesson and example for us all. I may not be helping any cause here, but I have simply had enough. Yeah, some of you guys have indeed touched a nerve, and I've sat on it until now. Sure, everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, but like I said when it is totally and utterly baseless, you may as well offer up fresh air. I've said my piece; I'm sure some of you will be gunning for me. I shall not bother firing back. I'm getting this of my chest - big time. I could be more articulate in the way I've presented my thoughts, but some of you just want a slanging match. Not gonna happen. Here's to the original cut of Fanboys, maybe one day we'll all see it...and understand why people are so impassioned to see it the way it was meant to be experienced.
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Celebrations, a lot of them were on ego and power trips and wouldn't let you go anywhere.
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Never have so many<p> wasted so much time<p> for so little.
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Biggs: Eject! Red Six: I can hold it. Biggs: Pull up! Red Six: No, I'm all right... ahhh! [Porkin's fighter explodes in a ball of fire]
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The Phantom Menace. I mean, if all you were living for was that what good are you.
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It occurs to me that it wasn't all that long ago that the majority of the patrons of this site were exactly the kind of people this movie was written to be about. I miss those days. These days, something like 75% of the people in these talkbacks are rabid douchebags, spewing a constant stream of sewage all over the site. When did geeks take it upon themselves to start acting just like the inbred, retarded, knuckle-dragging jock assholes we all used to try to stay the hell out of the way of in high school? Mind Vault-1, every word you said is dead on, and exactly the kind of thing I have been trying to put into words. Thanks for doing it for me.
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But his love of independent cinema is sometimes in doubt.
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And trim out the 1.5 hours of cute and cuddy rubber creature nonsense and leave in the Speeder Bike chase, space battle and finale with Vader, Luke & The Emperor.
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You haven't seen the new cut, so how the hell can YOU prejudge that? Go on smartie pants. Plus, theres not a lot of difference between inbred knuckle dragging sports fans and douches who dress up and go out in public and humiliate themselves by dressing like tards.
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Man, and people complain about Jar Jar.
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Only, instead of a list of things he wanted to do before dying, he wanted to see episode 1? I agree with someone earlier, the whole cancer thing is a cheap gimmick and ploy for sympathy. <p> It reminds me of the scene in "Out for Justice" where some guy throws a puppy out of a car window tied up in a garbage bag, and Steven Seagal rescues it to make his character seem like less of an asshole. Well, maybe thats not a great analogy, but its similar.
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If you know of this site you are a dork 1st degree If you read TBs on this site you are a dork 2nd degree. If you post on this site you are a dork supreme. If you post on this TB and slam other dorks you are just lame.
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In an alternate version of that scene, Seagal karate kicks the puppy in its grill, sending it flying through a restaurant window. Then he says "School's Out" for some reason, and walks away, all in tight jeans...
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which is way worse.
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This site is for dorks... I am a dork .. dorks come here to talk about dork stuff... I'm just saying it is lame when people mock groups like the 501st on THIS site.
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...The fact that even DORKS realise how fucking lame the "501st", sorry, I mean some faggots in retarded childrens halloween costumes, are proves just how lame THEY are. I mean serious, I love Star Wars and all, but don't these people have dicks they want to someday put to use? Jesus christ, cant you just go and embarass yourself in a more traditoinal way, like at a renaisance fair or civil war recreation?
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I think the group that comes to this site is somewhat mixed. You have the hardcore geeks who are into comicbooks and all things geeky, you have people who are movie buffs, and then you have a combination of both. Maybe I'm biased, but I think those who are simply movie buffs are not quite in the same category as the people who dress up in costumes and go to Comic Con conventions.
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Hey, boycotts are boycotts and if they believe in it, good for them, but I think the ringleader should have a bit more of an inspiring monkier than the Fat Guy from ANH.
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It just seems to me that if a person cares enough about the news on this site to create an account and discuss it they are beyond simple movie buffs. I agree there are degrees of fanaticism, but to me, everyone posting here is past the point of being simply a buff of this or that.
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An army of sci-fi geeks break into Lucas'stronghold to see the film before its released. Sure, it pisses of the fans, but it also accomplishes the crux of the movie's content now that they've cut the cancer subplot. Check please, Harvey.
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Yeah, the way this is going it's sounding more and more likely i'll come across a Fanboys dvd one day, and go "oh hey, that movie finally came out"
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to one degree or another; doesn't matter if it's entertainment or sports, so I don't begrudge those who want the film's original vision preserved going the extra mile to alert people that a FINO is about to be dropped on them - 'Fanboys' In Name Only. There were a little over 100 folks who are now friends of Stop Darth Weinstein at 7PM tonight; there are now 185 as I post this. People do care; it will probably be for naught, but you can't just bend and submit if you think the movie's getting ass-fucked. I feel a Ricky Watters moment coming on - for who? For what?
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The Weinstein suck anyway, they've gone downhill after Disney threw them out of Miramax. anyway, ATTACK and BOYCOTT! THUNDERBIRDS ARE GO! oh wait...wrong franchise...
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I thought he sort of did it better than anybody else could hope to do.
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Because that line was cool.
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...is going to remove one of the more clever "meta" cameos/scenes late in the film. Maybe they'll find some way around it.
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on one hand I loathe the weinsteins and on the other I have nothing but contempt for anyone that dresses up like characters from a movie (and this goes to you trekkies too). Then again, I wasn't going to watch this anyhow- but now I kind of want to.
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grow up. They're only taking the piss out of you, it isn't as if they've burnt your house down.
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Feb. 21, 2008, 4:55 a.m. CST
fanboys was GREAT, removing the cancer plot makes no sense at al
by missbliss
I saw an early cut of the movie at star wars celebration europe (only the music wasn't set, the rest was), and I thought it was one of the best movies I had ever seen, exactly because it had heart. It showed geeks with respect, and at the end of the movie I felt happy and sad at the same time. I feel sad about this also, because we saw the director beforehand, and he was so proud of his movie, and really showed what a labor of love this was. He sees his movie killed now. Also, how many other movies are there that ridicule geeks? It is going to be a thirteen in a dozen movie now, in stead of the wonderful heart felt movie I saw. I for one support the boycott of the movie in the theaters. I cherish having seen the movie as it should be, and that is what I want to remember.
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Isn't he the one whose guardian spirit prior to his Death Star trench run said to him 'Iggle piggle, let's all wiggle'? Needless to say, it had neither the cadence of 'May The Force Be With You', nor the effectiveness...
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The Weinsteins represent everything that's wrong with Hollywood today, and the dress-up weenies represent everything that's wrong with fandom. <p> I mean, is there anything more pathetic than cosplay and filking? Talkbacker Anna Valerious even cosplays as characters from LXG, for fuck's sake! <p> Jesus...
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was not steal a copy of a really bad movie, but to hire a hooker so he doesn't die a virgin. <br> <br>
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...especially the loonies who reenact the last days of the Confederacy, right down to starving themselves and wearing rags for "authenticity". Asshats.
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Because in the end, they all think it was worth it, when in reality, the movie was such a horrible turd, that it makes the whole audience wish they had cancer.
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Feb. 21, 2008, 10:33 a.m. CST
Don't lump civil war reenacters in with trekkies and star wars n
by systemsbroom
Civil war types are reenacting important historical events that actually happened. Their fanatical interest helps preserve and develop historical knowledge--these people are simply a bizarre subset of the larger category "historian." They also do arguably useful stuff, like stage demonstrations for schoolkids and whatnot. <P> Conversely, trekkies and star wars nuts are taking very seriously ridiculous fictions and doing so for no good purpose at all (aside from their own weird enjoyment). Star Wars/Trek can be fun and all, but it isn't real, and dress-up in Wars/Trek costumes doesn't do a damn thing for anybody, aside from maybe encouraging some people to go into careers in science (which is probably outweighed by the number of people that are dissuaded from going into careers in science, because the trekkies and star wars nuts make science look nerdy).
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the Swamp Donkey doesn't dress up like LXG- It's Van Helsing. <P>She's a truly horrible looking woman> I would go and find the link but I can't be arsed.
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...almost belong to their own subset of mental illness, which belongs under the same umbrella as religious fanatics. It is an extreme form of escapism to avoid the harsh realities of their lives, so they have delved further and further into fantasy to the point of being delusional. The only difference between them and religious fanatics is that Trekkies and Star Wars nuts are pretty much harmless and they realize that their fantasies aren't real (though they wish with all their being that they were), but the same does not hold true for religious nuts who consider their fantasy worlds to be truth, and they as a subset are a pretty harmful bunch.
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Yes, but I've also seen her in the "Fantom" from LXG getup. And no, it wasn't a private show.
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Oh I agree -- a lot of those shows ARE enormously entertaining and educational. However, most of the reenactors I've met are mad, regardless of the service they perform. You have to be a bit nutty to eat nothing but hardtack for two weeks just to get the right emaciation.
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My impressions are probably colored by the one time I met any civil war reenacters. It was in junior high, and they had set up a big confederate army camp on the sports field. Students got to wander around and ask questions, and everybody I asked stuff of ("So, what kinds of food do you eat?") was very serious about separating themselves from the reenactment ("Same stuff as you eat, kid. Now, *civil war soldiers* on the other hand, *they* had mostly field rations"). <P> The people you've encountered sound much more crazy.
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I love the OT, and am as diehard as a SW fan could be, but these adult SW fans who dress up are the biggest bunch of dorks in the world. If you ever log onto TheForce.net, alot of them post there about how they relate Anakin's troubles through the PT, and how they felt sorry for Padme, even though she checked out on her kids? These people are outcasts that we called 'dorks' in highschool, and they are a much different crowd then the people who grew up with the OT, we wanted to be Han Solo cause he was cool, we wanted to be Darth Vader cause he was a bad moofoo, and we enjoyed the movies cause they were fun to watch. These closet cases think the PT is fucking Shakespeare with all the tragic undertones Lucas threw in there. The PT crowd has turned into Trekkies, where they are just a cult-dork group compared to OT fans when we were just a bunch of kids that liked the movies, yet we still played sports and went to parties in highschool.
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WHEN YOU COULD JUST GO IN AND BOOK TICKETS YOU FOOL?
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Go tell it on the mountain, brother!
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Just keep the cancer plotline in but market the film in previews and TV spots without mention of it? Everybody wins.
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Like you're really cool because you're too stupid to figure out online ticket buying. But standing for weeks in a line. Uh yeah.
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These are not no-life shut-ins with no concept of reality. They don't think of themselves as characters in the Star Wars universe. They don't wear their costumes walking down the street like that creepy Peter Pan guy. They take their costumes to conventions, charity events, and various other shows. I saw a bunch of them just chilling outside Metreon when that Star Wars version of the PSP was released, and it cheered me up after a crappy day at work. Do you know why they dress up like Stormtroopers? Because it's FUN! Remember fun? I'm sure some of you used to have it at some point, maybe before the internet existed. I've met plenty of these guys at film and comic conventions. They have all been really friendly, laid back, stand-up guys. The kind of guys you'd go have a beer with after work. Ain't nothin' wrong with having a really nerdy hobby. Some people collect stamps or rare books. Some people paint miniatures. Some people collect memorabilia from their favorite sports team. These hobbies are even more solitary, and they don't do any good for anybody, but I don't hear them being criticized. These guys are skilled craftsmen who create movie-quality costumes, and show them off so that other people can enjoy them as well. Plus, they give demonstrations showing the techniques they use, and they do it all for free, although they have been known to raise money for charity. Not only that, but George Lucas digs these guys so much that he created a 501st Legion in their honor, and made it an official part of the Star Wars universe. They've obviously earned his respect, and they've earned mine as well.
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but at SW cons they act like they own the place and are better than your fan in a t shirt. They just bug me.
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Completely agree. Well said.
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They are everything that is wrong with fanboys.
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Sheez. Anybody know what the Stop Darth Weinstein myspace friend count is up to now?
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F*@king fanbois. This will work as about as well when the catholic church boycotts films. Great laugh of the day
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parade around with a bunch of fat guys. Oh, and the Slave Leia Girls think they're Princesses.
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Look, smartasses. The storyline and how it relates to the ending (i.e., the value of making PHANTOM MENACE your dying request) is addressed in the film. It's one of the better beats. All you idiots making cracks about it obviously have not seen the film and do not know how it plays.<br><br>I do wonder how the new cut addresses this, because the film would be ending very differently without the cancer.
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They destroyed Thief and the Cobbler to!
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...this could still be a good or bad film. Forced from one point of view to another... less likely. Ah well. Maybe somebody should just make an anti-Star Wars fan film with that intent from scratch if it's really such an appealing commercial proposition. Point being: surely going FOR the fans, while targetting a small audience, makes more sense than aiming at the "lets go laugh at dorks in a dorky movie" hypocrites. Because those hypocrites are probably very small in number, and would most likely go along to the pro-fan film anyway.
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Well, as I've said, the ones I have met have all been really cool. I've only ever seen them act like jerks as part of their performances. A lot of events, especially ones sanctioned by Lucas, do contact these guys and "hire" them to walk the convention floor and stay in character. (I say "hire" because they don't accept money, although they do encourage charitable donations in their name.) Obviously I can't speak for your experiences, but all of mine have been positive. As for the bitchy Leia slave girls, those are something else. The 501st guys only portray villains.
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but I just cant help but giggling...501st Legion members geez
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... to boycott anyone over. You guys should probably see it before you start making all these grand pronouncements about how important saving it is. I like Ernie, the writer of this film, and more than anything, I feel bad for him because no one associated with this film did his script any favors. It's badly cast, badly played, and doesn't work. Cancer or no cancer, this one should be mercy-killed.
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Thanks, DarthCorleone for bringing a little perspective to this issue. If the ending of LOTR, for example, or the backbone plot of one of the trilogy were excised, you don't think there would be a major uproar over it?
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Feb. 21, 2008, 5:11 p.m. CST
To the idiot fanboys who are screenshotting their AICN frontpage
by kentrel
I laughed at how super super super cereal your site was. Words can't contain quite how lame you are. Though, you've encapsulated that for me perfectly actually, by posting a page with every Weinstein employee's email you could find collected in one place for you and your nerd army to harrass. The fact that these email addresses are available through google isn't the point - the fact that you collect them together and ENCOURAGE people to harass every employee of the Weinstein company you can find is beyond low. You people are scum. Harass the Weinsteins if you want, and are a loser extradionairre. But don't harass the innocent people that just happen to work for them. You have no right to be outraged by someone else's creative work. Take your rage and redirect it towards making something creative yourself - for example, some nice rainbow artwork for your padded cell. The Weinsteins can do whatever the fuck they like with the movie they paid for. Did you pay for it? No. Do you normally going around telling people what to do with something they paid for? Do you normally harass people for doing whatever the fuck they please with their own money? Do you tell people to redesign the garden that they paid for just because they have some garden gnomes and trolls that resemble your families? Do you normally get so outraged when people make some art with their own money, and their own time? If talkbackers haven't clicked on those links, and are curious as to what I'm talking about - click on those links now! Fucking HIGH LARIOUS.
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I don't think the issue is whether or not it is a good film, or whether or not the new version is a better film. I think the issue is whether or not somebody should have the power to completely re-edit a finished film into a completely different film that defies all the intentions of both the original script and the movie as it was originally filmed. It sounds like that's what's happening here, and I think that's pretty shitty. If I were involved with the making of it, I would be pissed as well.
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I say whoever pays for everything - the script, the film, the writer's wages, the director's wages has the right to re-edit or not. Who paid for everything on this movie down to the portapotties used on location? Oh yeah, The Weinsteins.. now let them do whatever they like with it. It may not be "artistically pure", but nothing involving money these days ever is.
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the writer, director and editor get all the blame for the final product - whether or not they approve of the studio's hack and sew job or not - will the movie be headed by a tag that states "the following film has been altered and does not represent the film maker's original vision"
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That's what they prepare themselves for when they sign the contract and take the money. There have been plenty of films that have been better thanks to hack and sew jobs, yet the directors got the credit. Tobe Hooper has the credit for directing POLTERGEIST, yet Stephen Spielberg and the studio interfered all the way through that movie
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These guys want to flood Weinstein Company with emails to 70 or so people...most probably on the low end of the hierarchy. I don't think that is the right way. I agree that the cancer line makes the motivations of the heros make sense. It was stupid to remove it. Rookie mistake.
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I'm not saying they don't have the legal right to do it. I'm saying it's a shitty thing to do. Let's say you commission an artist to draw a picture of a blond guy with green eyes and no facial hair. Then, after you get the picture, you scan it into your computer, and you recolor the hair blue, draw your own mustache on the guy, make his eyes brown, and give him glasses. Then you put the design on a t-shirt and sell it. The artist sees the shirt, and he gets annoyed at you. Sure, you have the legal right to do that, but he has the legal right to tell everyone what you did, and to be annoyed at you. Also, why the hell didn't you just pay the guy to make what you originally wanted? It's a dick move, but you do have the right to do it. And people have the right to call you on it. Yes, it's a fact of life that producers will always feel justified in pissing all over the creative work of others. That doesn't mean it is the kind of behavior that should be excused or encouraged, and I absolutely don't approve of blaming the creative types when it happens. The average Joe can't afford to make a movie, no matter how badly he wants to tell his story. He relies on producers, and he makes concessions, and hopefully what gets made is close enough to the originally story to fulfill the urge that made him create it in the first place. It often doesn't work out that way, but what choice does he have? I don't really like the "you knew what you were getting when you signed on" or "if you wanted to keep creative control, you should have done it yourself" attitude that a lot of people get in these situations. In this case, the guy who wrote the movie did try to make it on his own. He failed because he didn't have the resources. I'm not trying to pick on you specifically, kentrel. I just want people to understand that getting a movie made is freaking hard as hell for the average geek with a story to tell. Keeping creative control is usually not even an option. A storyteller has to sign with whoever he can get to give him money, and hope that he doesn't get screwed over, because the alternative (not even getting a chance to tell your story) is more painful. Bah. This is getting long and rambling. To wrap it up, all I'm saying is that signing the paychecks gives you the legal authority to remake someone else's art in your own image, but it doesn't give you the moral authority to do so. Being an asshole isn't illegal, but neither is getting mad at someone for being an asshole. As for the protest itself, I don't necessarily think they are going about it the best way. I am merely taking issue with the people who are acting like they don't have the right to be pissed off at what was done to their work.
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Feb. 21, 2008, 7:08 p.m. CST
Don't these dorks have anything better to do with their time?
by Detective_Fingerling
Its a movie for christsakes. Just because they donated their silly costumes and played "extra" for a few days doesn't give them any sort of creative license or say so in what the movie ends up being. I'm sorry 501st, but unless I see a production credit at the beginning of this shit-fest, then you get no recognition from me.... kinda like always. Silly dress up characters and their silly wars. Like anyone at the Weinsteins really gives two shits about you attacking their death star. Buncha fruit cakes.
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they feel the need to dictate what other fans must do and think is wrong.
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I'm sorry to say it because I'm no one to talk, but get lives dorks.
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Regardless of how the battle ends, and even if the movie is never released, somebody needs to remind the Weinstein's where they come from.
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... one of the best movies you've EVER seen? How many movies have you seen? Four? Five? Including this one...
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And it said..." So after one of the groups friends gets sick it is nothing short of a moral imperative that the friends break in to George Lucas' Skywalker Ranch to watch the semianl sci-fi pic together before its release." So yeah, I had to type that. No cut and pasties here. So fuck you dorks cause I aint spending any more time on this film.
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Poor fucking Weinstein's.
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Can you smell PLANT? <P>We seem to be bloody infested at the moment.
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I have seen many movies, maybe more than you have seen in your life, mate :) I know I might be a bit sentimental, but yeah, I gave it 5 stars last year, along with many people who were in the room with me that evening. But maybe you have to be a. a star wars fan and b. have had to survive cancer or know someone who did to really appreciate this movie.
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They gave their time and costumes but have no creative input whatsoever. It sucks that they were screwed like that but if they're expecting the Weinsteins to change their movie, they're being unrealistic. Having said that, the Weinsteins are asses who really cheated these kids and I will not be spending my money in seeing this movie
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