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James Cameron update on AVATAR!

Hey folks, Harry here... in the last 4 days I've been sent the art below from multiple sources claiming that it was promo art from Avatar. Well - I decided to run it by Jim to see what he said and to ask how things were coming along on AVATAR. Here's the latest from the man himself...

Harry, Good to hear from you. This art is not from us. I don't know where it comes from. More overactive fan imaginations? It's not bad though. Things are going well on Avatar, or at least as well as can be expected on such a ridiculously complex project. We've wrapped principal, and most of the live action portion of the movie is already cut. It's starting to look and sound like a movie. I'm ecstatic with the performances and the look. The cast chemistry worked out perfectly. I'm in New Zealand right now, working on effects, while Steve Quale shoots some second unit. We've worked together a lot (he did the engine room scenes on "Titanic", plus co-directed "Aliens of the Deep" with me) and he's the only guy I trust to shoot stuff for me, especially in 3D. We still have a little performance capture work to do with Sam Worthington and Zoe Saldana in March, when we get her back from Star Trek (she's Uhura -- but of course you already knew that.) And we have a couple of days with Stephen Lang in April or May, to shoot his character's last scene, which is so technically difficult it will take us until then to figure out how to do it. You can see how spread out the schedule is -- it's just the nature of this type of CG animation/live action hybrid. Most of my time now is spent editing, because on this type of film you edit every CG scene twice -- once to edit the raw performance capture, before it goes to virtual camera, and then again when you have the virtual camera shots, you do the final edit of the scene. It's very complex and taxing, but the result is amazing. The Weta animators are ON FIRE, and seeing the world and the creatures come to life is what keeps us going. There's a spirit on this film, an esprit de corps amongst the virtual team, that comes from knowing we're doing something absolutely groundbreaking. It's why people still have good morale after working on this thing for two years or more. And we still have more than a year and a half to go. I don't know if this will be a good film, great film, awful film, but I can say with absolute certainty that you will see stuff you've never imagined, and that the process of making this film will generate a lot of interest within the technical side of the biz. When I edit with some of our early stuff, "shot" using our virtual camera system over a year and half ago, it already looks laughably crude. Our process has evolved so much, just within the making of this one movie. Of course the final standard of photoreal animation will be consistent throughout the film, because it all gets rendered in a big frenzy next year. It's all very exciting to be doing, and that (usually) compensates for the grind of the seven day weeks. Well, no rest for the weary. Gotta get to the cutting room. Back to Pandora. Jim out

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  • Feb. 20, 2008, 2:27 p.m. CST


    by Sailor Rip

    3 firsts in one day

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 2:28 p.m. CST


    by Sailor Rip

    ...I'm going to go hit on some girls...good looking one's too!

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 2:29 p.m. CST


    by Sailor Rip

    This image looks like the cover art from som Mac only computer game circa 1994.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 2:29 p.m. CST

    can't wait to see what they've done

    by just pillow talk

    Hopefully a kung fu panda dies in this.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 2:31 p.m. CST

    I can't wait! The king of the world is back!

    by Zardoz

    We've missed you James Cameron! Please don't make us wait 10 years between movies from now on! Avatar's going to kick mucho asso, I'm sure!

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 2:32 p.m. CST

    It's a good day to be Steve Quale...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...glad it isn't official art...pretty boring.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Leave it to James Cameron

    by skimn

    to set the standard in the next revolution of effects work in movies. Many an ILMer has stated his scenes in The Abyss and T2 helped push computer animation to where it is today..

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 2:34 p.m. CST

    ON FIRE!

    by Ultron ver 2.0

    I can almost hear the screaming and smell the burning flesh!

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 2:35 p.m. CST


    by skimn

    looks like an old Star Trek matte painting, or the cover of the missing Asia album.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 2:36 p.m. CST

    If you read the scriptment...

    by icen9ne

    you'd know that Pandora is more colorful. I never once thought that the new art was the real deal. Purples, blues, and violets dominate the landscape. THAT looks more like a terraformed Mars, not Pandora.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Can't Wait

    by Flying Spaghetti Monster

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 2:37 p.m. CST

    I'm glad he's a perfectionist

    by Bobo_Vision

    He's his own greatest boss, and the end-result will be great.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 2:39 p.m. CST

    When do you think they

    by Flying Spaghetti Monster

    will give us a tease?

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 2:39 p.m. CST

    This will disappoint

    by greyspecter

    When your last film was the biggest box office hit of all time and won 13 oscars, and you haven't made another movie in a decade, and consequently the hype surrouding this one is sooooo enourmous...there's just no way it will live up to it. Unless it's the greatest movie of all time. Which I doubt.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 2:39 p.m. CST


    by Sailor Rip

    That's it! This is the long lost rejected first cover to Yes' Tales from Topographic Oceans.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 2:42 p.m. CST


    by messi

    AND IT FUCKING RULED! FUCK SHIT CUNT! IT FUCKING OWNED! It was as if I was seeing it for the first time again. And I've never seen it in a theatre before. Hands down one of the greatest movies ever made.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 2:44 p.m. CST


    by messi

    FUCK! Read the books post Rebirth Cameron and make the fucking movie.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Thumbs up, Cameron

    by Saluki

    Yes, we'll wait a bit more. Funny how she is on both Star Trek & Avatar, and how they both at one time or now have been scheduled for May 2009. So, December 2009? Whew. Good luck buddy. Four years of actual production? Insane.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 2:45 p.m. CST


    by skimn

    Remember the posts a while back, where folks spit on Aliens..?? Fuck them.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 2:47 p.m. CST


    by messi

    Aliens owns my life. Vasquez for life.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 2:48 p.m. CST

    who watches any movie on an ipod

    by messi

    Imagine watching There will be Blood on an ipod. that would suck.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Watching films on small screen

    by the beef

    Go to youtube and look for the video of David Lynch's view on watching films on a cell-phone sized screen. It's awesome.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 2:54 p.m. CST

    *removes 3D glasses*

    by BrandLoyalist

    I know the article wasn't in 3D, but hey I'm looking forward to this

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Anyone have any idea

    by Mr. Lahey

    of a run time for this movie? I'll guess(and hope)for 3 hours. Also, how is my Blu-Ray edition of The Abyss coming along?

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 2:57 p.m. CST

    My God I cannot wait

    by IndustryKiller!

    This is the first genre film that has made me giddy like a child with anticipation since Star Wars Episode 1, except I have no doubt this is going to turn out far far better. Excelsior Mr. Cameron.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 2:57 p.m. CST


    by godhelpus

    You are one lucky dude.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Cameron Kicks Ass

    by rhcp2sweet

    Just rewatched Aliens the other night. Easily one of the best action movies ever. Winter 2009 can't come soon enough.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Every movie should be in 3D!!!

    by skywalkerfamily

    Cause it's cool.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 3 p.m. CST

    Looking forward to this...

    by a goonie I'm sure nearly every geek on the planet is. Reading stuff like the above comments from the man himself just ups my anticipation level greatly.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Cameron on GREEN LANTERN makes perfect sense...

    by Booster Gold Lives

    ...which is why WB will hire some other schlock schlub and shape it as a Jack Black vehicle. Because logic and WB don't often cross paths when it comes to their DC properties.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 3:06 p.m. CST


    by Nice Marmot

    We can finally say this is out NEXT year! And I can't lose! After the StarWars prequels, Matrix sequels, and Jackson's King Kong I will finally, officially NEVER have my hopes up too high for anything ever again. It will either be Great, Good, or Just-O.K. And, FYI, Zoe Saldana is so fucking hot!!!!

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 3:12 p.m. CST

    James Cameron has chosen 3-D. Here's why

    by chrth

    He has a large investment in the 3-D Glasses industry

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Still, too much wait

    by Aethyrr

    You better not disappoint us all "Jim"

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Damn.... those must be some special effects

    by Proman1984

    Very exciting stuff!

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Jim out?

    by Quin the Eskimo


  • Feb. 20, 2008, 3:18 p.m. CST

    I'm sure it will be about as relevent as Nightmare

    by skywalkerfamily

    Before Christmas 3D. That movie never goes away.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Isn't it time for James Cameron to go back to Titanic?

    by SpyGuy

    Cam must being going through serious withdrawal by now of not filming even more footage of that damn rusted-out ship for the Discovery Channel. <p>When I think of all the potential films he could have directed in that time, I want to hang my head and cry.</p>

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Who dissed Aliens!!!!!

    by Gabba-UK

    I want fucking names, so I can find them, shove a pulse rifle up their arse and pull the trigger!!! Dickheads!

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Let me get this straight skywalkerfamily

    by IndustryKiller!

    You are in one talkback praising Michael Bay and in another skeptical as to what James Cameron can deliver. What kind of fucking priorities are those??

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Michael Bay says this is awesome

    by T 1000 xp professional

    I saw U2 3D that technology is just incredible and the U2 movie was filmed around 2 years ago I heard. We have no idea what is going to blindside us. Cameron, thank you.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Booster Gold Lives - Actually

    by messi

    They hired the homosexual showrunner from brothers and sisters and everwood to handle it. To handle the manliest character DC has. Not only that but the dude thinks anyone can become a GL, when we all know GL's are chosen by their ability to overcome fear.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Let's all take a deep breath

    by metaluna

    ...and wait to see some completed footage before we start bandying the words 'groundbreaking' around like pepper on a pizza. All we know is he's doing motion capture (so what?) CGI characters (ho hum - seen it) 3D (yawn) and we have no idea what the story is. Oh yeh, remember that one? THE STORY. The most important bit? Bloody gimmick film making (rolls eyes).

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Gabba-UK says it like it is

    by messi

    such stupid people, like someone in my family saying There will be Blood is the worst movie they have ever seen.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 3:42 p.m. CST

    James Cameron = Film God

    by Mr. Moe

    Cameron will once again change film. Everyone will try to mimic him and fail, as before. Then in another ten years, when the cinemas are drenched in an endless sea of crappy copycats, Cameron will once again return ushering in a new era of film. An era where the audience becomes one with the film.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 3:42 p.m. CST

    James Cameron hasn't been cool in about a decade

    by skywalkerfamily

    and people on this site really slander Titanic. But, that was a great movie. Now, Cameron goes back to shitty sci fi.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Just saw the size of Cameron's ego...

    by epitone


  • Feb. 20, 2008, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Hello. I'm an Ain't It Cool News talkbacker...

    by Kasch

    I have no girlfriend and no social life, and I can predict whether or not a movie will be any good based on little-to-no-information. That's cause I use the internets. Excelsior!

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 3:54 p.m. CST

    What a fucking legend...

    by Fortunesfool

    You know he'll deliver as well, which is why it's so frickin' exciting.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 3:56 p.m. CST


    by messi

    no shit he hasn't been cool in about a decade, he's done nothing and those docos don't count.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Gotta admire the man's confidence.

    by Knuckleduster

    Hope it pays off.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Guy is a WINNER...seriously

    by superduper3000

    Cameron rocks. Can't wait for this one to come out, and I'll be first in line. <BR> <BR> Also, where's the news on Clarke Duncan being cast as Balrog? Hello?<BR> <BR>

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 4:05 p.m. CST


    by one9deuce

    WHERE did you see ALIENS in 70mm?

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Why not just do it for real?

    by skywalkerfamily

    Drop the 3D and shoot it for real. Beowulf would have been cooler as a real movie.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 4:15 p.m. CST

    It's hard to believe.

    by one9deuce

    But this movie will be like TITANIC in impact. It probably won't make $600 million domestic because it's sci-fi, but it will make a LOT. It probably won't win 11 oscars because it's not a historical drama (which the academy definitely favors), but it will get a lot of nods including Best Picture. But it will change movie making like KING KONG did in 1933, like STAR WARS did in 1977, and like JURASSIC PARK did in 1993. It is the final frontier of special effects. It will be the most mind-blowing special effects film of all-time, WITH a story as compelling as all the SFX fireworks. <p> I'll be saying this in every single AVATAR talkback until December 2009. Then the rest of you will be saying it also.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Jim Cameron had a beer...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    ...and cheated on Linda Hamilton<p> ...and Suzy Amis...<p> ...and...<p> So... Aver-tar... does Kate Winslet get naked in this?

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Iron Jim will conquer all!

    by KillaKane

    He's been away from the 'genre' for too long, stoked about this project, sounds like it's going to trailblaze a significant visual effects milestone in digital 3D.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 4:22 p.m. CST

    ''is it....?''

    by 69DUDE

    *guffaw* 'diamond? Yes'. 'Oooh you gotta live Rose, you gonna make lotsa babies, and live so old you can't keep your shitter from spewin' - Just a few extracts from Cameron's god-awful 'human tragedy as soap opera' that is Titanic. A film which taught us all that it's Grrreeat to be poor!!!!!

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 4:25 p.m. CST

    I don't imagine that JC can do any wrong

    by Razorback

    Even though WETA is doing the effects, I am sure the movie will rock.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 4:32 p.m. CST


    by messi

    You forgot Fellowship of the Ring in 2001.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Razorback what?

    by messi

    You make it sound like WETA doing the effects is a bad thing?

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 4:35 p.m. CST

    I'm a Cameron fan and all but...

    by skycrapper

    Wasn't a CGI and live action movie done about 9 years ago called Star Wars - Episode One : The Phantom Menance. I sure hope this knocks all of our socks off like he's claiming.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Only 22 months of non-stop hype to go!

    by bswise

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Only because he hasn't made a movie in a decade skywalker

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 4:48 p.m. CST



    Beowulf was not "PHOTOREALISTIC" - What Jim is attempting to accomplish is digital creature effects that defy the eye's ability to discern whether or not it exists in the physical plane with objects and characters that are there. There is LIVE ACTION and DIGITAL work at play. This isn't BEOWULF - I haven't seen the work yet - but from my conversations with Jim, that is what he's aiming for. The film will take, literally, a year to just RENDER and that end result will be in 3D. Skyscrapper - you're right - Lucas did attempt this sort of thing, but the effects were very shy of being photoreal. Jar Jar was definitely in frame, but never believably so.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 4:51 p.m. CST

    I don't know

    by skycrapper

    it looked pretty good to me but, what do I know.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 4:52 p.m. CST

    What about Watto?

    by skywalkerfamily

    Watto looked better than Jar Jar.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 4:53 p.m. CST


    by landster

    Even blurry; how does AICN overlook this, ALL DAY?

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Thank the Lord Above for Jim Cameron

    by monorail77

    I just love reading these updates. They literally give me goosebumps. I appreciate his modesty when he says he's not sure if it will be a great film, but his excitement about it carries through anyway. I'm not expecting the greatest film experience of my life here, but I am very excited to see this brave new filmaking experiment. I think it will be special regardless. Its wonderful that Jim is pushing the boundaries of filmmaking possibilities. What admirable dedication to his art and craft. Kudos to Jim. And thanks to Harry for bringing these tidbits. Really great stuff.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 4:53 p.m. CST


    by landster

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 4:53 p.m. CST


    by jimmy rabbitte

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 4:54 p.m. CST

    uh try that again...

    by jimmy rabbitte

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 4:54 p.m. CST

    KING of the movie world

    by wellgoodgravy

    This movie's gonna blow the shit out of everything in its path after it. I wouldn't want to be a studio with a big budget flick following this. Can't wait for Battle Angel too. I hope that's not gonna be another four years though.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 4:56 p.m. CST

    So Harry, he's taking us on a journey...

    by Simpsonian

    to the other side of the Uncanny Valley? Hell yeah. Hope he can do it.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 4:59 p.m. CST


    by jimmy rabbitte MS is kickin' up today... my typing is awfully bad right now... I keep missing keys...<p> anyway... Harry, your point that Jar Jar didn't look so real is well taken...<p> Now you've made me wonder if we'll end up with The Star Wars prequel trilogy special editions in 2019.<p> I like Star Wars and everything; but I can't take any more revisions to it.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Did Cameron retired after Titanic?

    by Orionsangels

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Kasch, don't blame yourself

    by darrenspool

    I don't have a girlfriend either, but then again, who goes around saying, "I have a girlfriend! Therefore I must be so cool!' [Laughs like Milhouse]

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Did Cameron retire after Titanic?

    by Orionsangels

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 5:07 p.m. CST


    by landster

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 5:08 p.m. CST


    by landster

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 5:16 p.m. CST

    I landed the golden tuna

    by Quin the Eskimo

    a girl in medical school. I've always wanted to be a doctors wife. I gotta control my thoughts of emasculation. As I am a dude.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 5:29 p.m. CST

    I'm the King of the (Avatar) World!!!!!!!!!!!!one111!

    by finky089

    I'll reserve my opinions on "his majesty's" latest flick until I start seeing trailers.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Yes The Aliens Print was amazing

    by messi

    Had the film grain but a great print and so clear and the sound was loud and clear. and Fuck. When Ripley comes out in the mech suit the way it looked, I swear it was as if I had never seen it before, like I was in a theatre watching a movie called Aliens and then this badass scene comes up, it was so clear and just on a massive screen. fuck it ruled.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Cameron needs to get back on the horse...

    by Mr Chuff

    Okay, time off after Titanic? Fine..but this is his first film since then. There's a whole load of people who have no idea who James Cameron is and that is just plain fucking wrong.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 5:44 p.m. CST

    I want TONS of CG in my movie! Cause CG looks coo!

    by skywalkerfamily


  • Feb. 20, 2008, 5:48 p.m. CST

    The hype was manufactured by the press for TPM

    by skywalkerfamily

    This site and a billion others were jumping on the SW bandwagon. It wasn't Lucas.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 5:50 p.m. CST

    I'm sure Avatar will be great...

    by dr_buggerlugs

    ...but I sincerely hope once he's got all this rendering out his system, he can go back to blowing real shit up...please go back and blow shit up again. I miss shit getting blown up.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 5:52 p.m. CST


    by rhcp2sweet

    I think your theory will be true, and Cameron will inadvertently cause the end of babies being born due to men the world over blowing their load every time they watch Avatar

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 6:01 p.m. CST

    finxy, you're a doody head.

    by occula

    come on, man! don't you wanna get excited for SOMETHING, now that everybody has attempted to shit all over indy4 and the strike has bumped all the goods into 2009? *makes pouty face*<p>i actually love it when cameron writes in because it humanizes him more than some interview in a magazine. i'm so over working in the industry but i'd still sell my soul to be able to get yelled at on an iron jim set.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Right on, Messi!

    by Anti-fanboy

    I saw it 3 times in the theater when I was 12 -- the first movie I went (way) out of my way to go back and see again and again. I had to bullshit my way in every time. I kept waiting for Cameron to make some stupid misstep (most genre films then -- and now -- almost always got things partly right, then just fucking blew it), but he never did. It just got better as the movie went on. Truly formative experience that I cherish 20 some years later. I'll love Cameron for that till I die.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Too damn cool!


    Thanks for the update Jim! Soon as I seen the art work I knew it was fake. These morons need to put a lot more man hours into their work if people are going to think it's real.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Harrison Ford taken through time travel as Hal Jordan

    by messi

    That is what is it.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 6:30 p.m. CST

    The Ender Smites Foes uhhh I've read the script

    by messi

    so have other people, it's not the final script but it's the same story and it's great. ambitious if he is doing it the way i think he is. yes Michelle Rodriguez is fucking shit, she aint got shit on Vasquez. Now that is a tough Latina.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Yeah Anti-Fanboy

    by messi

    This made me feel like a kid who was going to his friends to see the talked about 'Aliens'. I was only a baby when it came out but fuck if I didn't feel like a kid back in a different age watching Aliens on the big screen. IN 70MM PRINT! <p> SINESTRO CORPS WAR!

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 6:39 p.m. CST

    I can't wait for the Avatar happy meals!

    by skywalkerfamily

    Free Avatar with every purchase.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 6:44 p.m. CST

    So Stephen Lang DIES then...

    by JimCurry

    Thats what he just f'n said.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 6:45 p.m. CST

    The Ender Smites Foes

    by JimCurry

    did it ever occur to you that you're pretty gay yourself? (listens to snappy comeback) Well, you are. You're gay.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Harry, "Lucas did attempt this sort of thing"?

    by TheRealRatigan

    ...I'm going to have to take up skycrapper's point. Whatever you think about the inclusion of Jar Jar Binks in Episode I, by Episode II Lucas had achieved what Cameron proclaims to be still striving for on AVATAR. If you can separate your feelings about the design of characters like Jar Jar Binks, the Kaminoans or the arena beasts on Geonosis from the realization of those characters onscreen, then you can't objectively dispute that all are as much a part of the resulting imagery and appear as organic in the settings of the film as any of the actual flesh and blood human beings presented in the same frame. By Episode III, the integration of the rendered forms of characters like The Clone Troopers, Wookies, Yoda and R2D2 (granted Artoo isn't organic by definition) were so seamless as to be indistinguishable.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 6:58 p.m. CST


    by messi

    Funny you say that, I was rereading some old GL comics and Kyle makes a construct of Optimus Prime that transforms and owns everyone, he also made an X-wing and flew it.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 6:58 p.m. CST

    can someone just clarify

    by ClockWorker

    so you can't watch this movie without 3-D glasses?

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 7 p.m. CST

    Wasn't Gollum the first indistinguishable character?

    by messi

    I remember all the reviews saying it was the first photoreal character and made Jar Jar look like shit. Basically Jar Jar was the attempt and Gollum was the final product. There are so many moments in the Two Towers where you can't tell if he's real or not, there were 2 parts I thought "Ok they used prosthetics and a model for this close up" turns out in the making of docos it was CGI.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 7:01 p.m. CST


    by messi

    One can dream can he not? Sodam Yat vs Superboy Prime in IMAX 3D. But filmed in IMAX. Fuck. That would gross 10 Billion Dollars.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 7:02 p.m. CST

    New SAT question- James Cameron: Michael Bay as

    by SkinJob69

    a) Kilamanjaro : mole hill <p> b) Pamela Anderson boob : Winona Ryder boob<p> c) Albert Einstein : Harvey Weinstein <p> d) ESB : TPM

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 7:07 p.m. CST

    SkinJob69 HAHAHA

    by messi

    the last one made me laugh. it makes no sense.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 7:16 p.m. CST

    the lighting on that moon is all wrong

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    the lit side should be facing the setting sun... just sayin

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 7:19 p.m. CST

    im almost blind in my left eye...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    which kinda kills any 3D process for me - no depth perception, so the glasses dont work on me - so i hope theres a standard, 2D, version of this movie

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 7:21 p.m. CST


    by Reznik

    Does this movie have anything to do with that cartoon of the same name? Avatar: the last air-bender I belive? or is this an original idea that shares the same name only by coincidence?

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 7:21 p.m. CST

    did you guys know James Cameron did the...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    matte paintings in "Escape From New York" - this guys awesome - im not a huge fan of all his movies, but the guys a genius

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 7:23 p.m. CST

    the only photorealistic stuff in movies= GOLLUM and KING KONG

    by lavatory love machine


  • Feb. 20, 2008, 7:34 p.m. CST

    JP still holds up

    by King_Knut

    Astonishing really, for a movie that's 15 years old. Dino's still look real.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Seconding (thirding?) all of you who realize Aliens

    by CreasyBear

    was a masterpiece. The casting, the performances, the story, the sets, the music, everything. I cannot fathom how some people prefer the boring Alien 3 with its angst-ridden monks and the dog alien. I could not watch that movie more than once. I understand the respect many of you have for Fincher, but seriously, Alien 3 was weak. Aliens is a fun, scary, quotable classic.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 7:37 p.m. CST

    Cameron should keep pushing the boundaries of physical effects

    by Prossor

    Lucas has gone bye-bye to CGI land, but Cameron is the last hope, on his insistence of having the least amount of post-trickery to Aliens was inspiring and bold leading to one of the greatest effects movies which will never age its effects.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Is Jesus an Avatar of God?

    by Lashlarue

    Only a genius, like filmaker James Cameron, could answer that question. Who else would I take theological advise from besides the writer and director of Titanic?

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Take away his money!

    by Anakin Whoopass

    Sometimes I wish James Cameron was forced to do an action film every 2 years on less than $20 million each. Look at something as simple as the gun store scene from Terminator 1 and you see the ultimate in filmmaking efficiency.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 7:56 p.m. CST

    "I'm the king of the world."

    by Lashlarue

    "I'll be back." "Get away from her you bitch!" "They mostly come at night. Mostly." "Asta la vista, baby." "Trust me." "You're terminated, fucker!"

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Genuinely excited and looking forward to Avatar

    by Teddy Artery

    Hasn't been a great, solid SF movie for a long while now. Jim's the guy who can do it.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 8:03 p.m. CST


    by messi

    best ever.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Teddy Artery

    by messi

    Yeah cos Children of Men and The Fountain were such shitty sci fi films.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 8:10 p.m. CST


    by odo19

    THe Fountain is'nt sci-fi.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 8:20 p.m. CST


    by messi

    Really? So I guess Darren Aranofsky saying he was inspired to make a sci fi movie after watching the Matrix isn't true then. He calls it a Sci Fi movie, it is a sci fi movie with other elements. Sci Fi Drama?

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 8:22 p.m. CST



    I'm there!

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 8:29 p.m. CST

    THE KNIGHT watch it, there's ILM fanboys here

    by messi

    that mooondoggy guy and this other guy who although have no knowledge of how visual effects work seem to know everything.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 8:32 p.m. CST

    "trust me"

    by Prossor

    to be fair that was earlier in Raiders

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Wait, I don't understand...

    by CountryBoy

    Aren't CG characters/creatures in movies ALWAYS more or less photorealistic? I mean Gollum, Yoda, Kong, Treebeard, Dobby, Buckbeak, Sandman, the Silver Surfer, the fairies in PAN'S LABYRINTH, etc., etc., etc... What exactly is Cameron aspiring to here? Just the 3D stuff? Is he essentially just making a 3D movie with CGI? Fine, but what's so groundbreaking about that?

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 8:59 p.m. CST

    For those who has read the scriptment...

    by standundermyumbrella

    .... how the fuck does stephen lang's character die? Why will it be so technologically diffucult to do! Fucking fess-up!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 9:04 p.m. CST


    by messi

    Take it away from the dude from brothers and sisters. BROTHER'S AND SISTERS! WHAT THE FUCK!

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 9:07 p.m. CST

    that's rubbish!


    whens the movie out?

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 9:16 p.m. CST

    by PedroM

    With all that fake pics floating around and coming out at least once every week, why hasnt Jim and crew released anything, i mean, anything, from the movie, since it seems so far ahead in the making?

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 10:11 p.m. CST


    by BurgerTime

    melt my eyeballs and make them drip like liquid wax down into my mouth (visual: raiders of the lost ark) or I will basically think Cameron has gone completely insane and fucked off four years of his (and his entire crew's) life.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 10:22 p.m. CST


    by Redfive!

    Now dont get me wrong I KNOW Cameron is doing something different and hopefully captivativing,but IN THE END Movies are about story and character and how you feel about those 2 subjects.NOTHING MORE. Phantom Menace had thousands of CGI shot and we know how that went.BEOWULF while it looked great in 3D was nothing more then a gimmick.It wasnt a great film by any stretch.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Harry, you said...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    "What Jim is attempting to accomplish is digital creature effects that defy the eye's ability to discern whether or not it exists in the physical plane with objects and characters that are there." - didnt we see this in Jackson's "King Kong"?.. and with Gollum and Yoda? - they all appeared to exist in the physical plane with objects and actors - imo - is Weta doing this? - i wonder if they will put some direct harsh sunlight on the creatures this time - as good as their stuff looks, they tend to bathe it all in diffused or over cast type light - my theory is, because it takes less time to render diffused lighting it helps in meeting deadlines - i remember many years ago in an Alias modeling & animation class i was told that direct lighting (like harsh afternoon sunlight that casts hard shadows) takes much longer to render - thats one thing i admire about ILM, say what you will about their designs and animations - but theyre not shy about putting their stuff in harsh direct sunlight, where theres no where to hide any seams

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 10:27 p.m. CST

    Cameron is the new Lucas (pre-Menace)

    by darthbinks1220

    I followed Titanic's dominance at the box office. Gone With The Wind is the only film to make more globally in '08 ticket prices. ANH gets the bronze, worldwide adjusted (initial release). Now I'm a Star Wars fan, but realized TPM had no shot at the ship- even had it been another ESB. Yet fans ripped into Cameron as if HE were Michael Bay. Lucas was God at the time. A genius, whose revolutionary new Star Wars film would obliterate the boat at the b.o., and in Vader-speak "restore order to the filmgoing galaxy". Now it's Lucas who's a talent less hack. Jim is now William Wyler, Cecille B. DeMille, and Orson Welles combined. Funny how perceptions change. TPM's failure helped people appreciate Cameron more. Sadly, it has had the reverse effect on the creator of Star Wars and Indy. Funny how perceptions change.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 10:31 p.m. CST


    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    was TPM a failure?

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 10:38 p.m. CST

    Jimmy Joe RedSky

    by darthbinks1220

    The hype was would it wrest the box office crown from Titanic. It grossed half of Titanic, worldwide.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Harry, this is so COOL!

    by DoctorWho?

    The next year and a half of Cameron firing off the occasional update via e-mail to you is just awesome! Really looking forward to this on so many levels. Like he may be great, it may be awful...but I love he innovative spirit of Cameron. He's unique and foward looking. Thanks Harry!!!!

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 10:52 p.m. CST

    but does that make it a "failure"?

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    "Titanic" is the one Cameron movie i can do without - i saw it once, and that was enough - it killed at the b.o. because tens of millions of teenage female Leo fans kept going back for more - at the time, my niece was one of them - it was the right vehicle for the right star at the right time with the right audience - box office gold - TPM was heavily hyped, i agree - but i wouldnt call it a failure because it didnt earn more than Titanic - im curious to see how Avatar fares against the monetary success of Titanic

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 11:03 p.m. CST

    David O' Selznick spent a lifetime trying to beat

    by darthbinks1220

    Gone With The Wind. He could never replicate that level of success. Neither will Cameron.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 11:31 p.m. CST

    and just because of that...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    i would not necessarily call any of his subsequent movies "failures" - no matter how big the hype - he hit a jackpot with Titanic - i harp on it because its curious to me that no one it seems can discuss any big name director and their movies without bashing Lucas

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 11:33 p.m. CST

    WETA vs ILM

    by Gungan Slayer

    Weta has really been stealing the spotlight from ILM in recent years, if you ask me.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 11:36 p.m. CST

    these guys are making the movies they want to see

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    i know its a business - its about making money - for the studios anyway - but i doubt Cameron, Lucas, Zemekis and Spielberg sit around wondering how to beat the other guys b.o. score

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 11:50 p.m. CST


    by messi

    One day. Thousands of green and yellow lanterns duking it out in space, the JLA versus Superboy Prime and manhunters. That will rake in the cash.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 12:33 a.m. CST

    This movie WILL FUCKING ROCK!!!!!

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    Pwned by Jim "I Own The Summer Of 2009" Cameron!<p>No really, I can't fracking wait to see a new Cameron movie in theatres!

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 12:52 a.m. CST

    i just got a letter from jim.

    by dr.bulber

    not jim cameron though. my uncle jim. hes doing fine.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 12:58 a.m. CST



    Thanks for having my back bro. Don't you just love it when these fools have their mouths so far up their own ass, they can't even smell the shit they speak?

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 1:02 a.m. CST

    Motoko Kusanagi


    I take it you mean Winter 2009?

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 1:11 a.m. CST

    "ILM vs WETA"...

    by drompter

    After Buckbeak, Episode III, War of The Worlds, Davy Jones and Transformers, I don't think there is such thing.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 1:39 a.m. CST

    It is ironic that this MESSI guy...

    by drompter

    Keeps labeling everyone as fanboy just for thinking ILM is better, when he is clearly the one being a complete WETA's shoes polisher.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 1:39 a.m. CST

    Jim just kicked me in the nuts!

    by skywalkerfamily

    He said this movie will own your eyeballs, so I guess it might be good.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 1:49 a.m. CST


    by messi

    What are you talking about, every opinion I have is objective. Eg my argument that Marvel is releasing better comics at the moment. Even thought 80% of my pull list is DC. I say Weta is better at effects because the are better, no matter if ILM innovated it. I'm talking straight presentation. it's not that ILM is bad, my pissed off ILM arguments died when Pirates 2 came out and they finally seemed to catch up with Weta, now the playing fields are alot more even. unlike up to ROTS where Weta dominated since Fellowship.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 2:08 a.m. CST

    Wow, what a convincing argument...

    by drompter

    "I say Weta is better at effects because the are better, no matter if ILM innovated it" You defeated me. I guess I'll need a new set of eyes.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 3:28 a.m. CST


    by messi

    No sorry. I meant alot of people bring up the argument that ILM is better by sheer virtue of being around longer. that;'s what i meant by innovating it. That "la la la i'm a pansy and a star wars fanboy and ILM is better because they did CGI first, if it wasn't for ILM there would be no WETA" If it wasn't for Black Sabbath there would be no Iron Maiden. Failed argument.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 4:15 a.m. CST

    Aliens wasn't filmed in 70mm

    by half vader

    Hey there Messi. That would have been super cool. They play a 70mm print here downunder sometimes. <p> It was shot in Super 35 though, like most things Cameron does. But seeing a 70mm print is infinitely superior even if the film didn't start out that way and is more like looking at an answer print than the usual blurry 35mm crapped-out print at the local shithole. HD may not be truly equal to the 'rez' of film but it's fuckloads better than the actual experience you get in the local monsterplex. It used to be that effects plates were shot on 70mm (well 65 without the stripe but anyway) to allow for optical generational loss. Now the majority of the time they're mastered at 2k (only a few more lines than HD). Interesting to see how Cameron handles the digital this time around. <p> Anyway yes Aliens Rulez. Was it the theatrical cut or extended?

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 4:29 a.m. CST

    Oh I get it now...

    by metaluna

    ... it's a 'my SFX are better than all yours' cock waving exercise! Thousands of CGI artists the world over suddenly realise they've been wasting their time all along 'cause Jim Cameron says so. Explain to me why 'this will rock' again? This guy hasn't made a movie in years. No one seems to mention 'the story' - is it any good? Personally, I'm tried of watching characters that aren't real on screen in some stupid CGI monstrosity. The dinos in the original Jurassic Park still look good to me because the story is so good and I'm carried along with it. That's all that's needed. If I'm sat in a movie theatre thinking how cool it all looks, as a storyteller, the moviemaker has failed miserably unless all you wish to please is some dunderheaded cgi fanboy who should really be sat in front of his PS3. The notion of what is 'Photorealistic' moves on every six months. This is all grade A bull excrement.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 5:25 a.m. CST

    Never fear, metaluna...

    by Ghostball

    Cameron always forces his visuals, spectacular as they are, to be subordinate to story and character. And that that's a fac-fackity-fact.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 5:57 a.m. CST

    half vader

    by messi

    email me at <p> It was theatrical. i know it wasn't filmed in 70mm, but it was transferred to 70mm and it looked fockin brilliant.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 6:04 a.m. CST

    Cameron. Classy Guy.

    by Se7en

    "I don't know if this will be a good film, great film, awful film, but I can say that you will see stuff you've never imagined." What a classy guy. This makes me a fan of him more. No comments like... "Giant Fucking Robots !" or shit like that. Classy.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 6:19 a.m. CST

    Cameron U better get this right!!!

    by y7jver01

    I mean after 13 years... U have to...

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 6:26 a.m. CST

    I remember when I saw Aliens in the theater

    by Bobo_Vision

    I was a kid, and was not old enough to see it alone, as it was rated PG-13, so I bought a ticket for something else instead. Also, Aliens came out when they had just revolutionized sound in theaters, and Aliens was one of the first movies to utilize it. I think it was the THX system, but not positive. But that scene where all hell breaks loose and they are surrounded by aliens and everyone's going ballistic, and Ripley drives in to rescue them - that was insane. The sound and action was electrifying. I had seen nothing like it before, and the action continued from there. <p> Awesome flick.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 7:02 a.m. CST

    "Aliens" was rated R, Bobo_Vision

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    wasnt it? - and messi, can you explain how weta is bettler than ilm? - by example i mean - theyre both great, but i wouldnt call weta better - the last very impressive thing they did (that ive seen) was some walk-on stuff for "the host" (some of the creature's mouth animations and the practical creature head, i think) - they didnt do the whole show - it was the orphanage that did "the host" (and they did a hell of a job) - weta and ilm arent the only gang on the block - the last big thing weta did since avatar, as far as im aware, was kong - ilm seems to work more, or on more projects - is this a measure of who's better? - i like them both

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 7:21 a.m. CST

    Aliens was rated PG-13?

    by henrydalton

    Man, I really don't get the American rating system...

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 7:46 a.m. CST

    Was it "R"

    by Bobo_Vision

    You may be right, and that could explain why I had to sneak into it. Although I was living in Canada at the time and our ratings system was slightly different. There was a separate rating, which was "Mature" which meant you had to be over 14 (basically the same as PG-13). Or am I thinking of Canadian cable? <p> Whatever it was, Aliens rocked.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 8:03 a.m. CST

    "ALIENS" deserves an awesome "HD" transfer!!!!

    by JDanielP

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 8:06 a.m. CST

    Iron Jim!

    by CuervoJones

    He has iron balls. Hail to the King, baby!

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 8:07 a.m. CST

    A gorgeous" ALIENS" high-def transfer might be.....

    by JDanielP

    .....the ONLY thing that would convince me to get a blu-ray machine.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 8:14 a.m. CST

    My dream HD-DVD flick is "ALIENS".....damn it.

    by JDanielP

    And I'll keep dreaming. But people need to get moving on this...and make an absolutely beautiful transfer of "ALIENS" in the high-def format(s). Seriously! That's something I really NEEEEEED in my life.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 8:18 a.m. CST


    by Motoko Kusanagi

    yep, winter, my fault :-)

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 8:21 a.m. CST

    "Let's build a fire, sing a few songs."

    by JDanielP

    Give it up, for "ALIENS", of the most quotable movies of all time, one of the best action movies of all time, and one of the best sci-fi movies of all time. James Cameron's best flick...until 2009. :-D

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Aliens in High- Def...

    by Rameses

    Is that even possible ? the film stock Cameron used looked awfully mix n' match and grainy even at the cinema .

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 9:47 a.m. CST

    fucking put Biehn in your new movies

    by _SnakePlissken_

    or Paxton Sam Worthington can eat my feces

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Technology to make "ALIENS" an "HD" stunner

    by JDanielP available, right? If they can make an old movie like "THE SEARCHERS" practically look like NEW in high-def, why couldn't they do the same with a classic like "ALIENS"??? I know this is a technological question...and I already understand part of it, to some degree. But can anyone give us the full story? (A friend of mine believes that there will never be a great transfer of "ALIENS" to "HD" because of the original film source. Can anyone answer this question, as to what is currently technologically possible? What would it take to see such a transfer to HD???

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Jimmy Joe RedSky

    by darthbinks1220

    David O. Selznick was a perfectionist, much like Cameron. For GWTW, he chose a no-nonsense director in Victor Fleming. Selznick like Cameron, always went the extra mile, pushing the cinematic limits of the time.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Good on you, Jim

    by Archive

    Wow - just to hear a filmmaker be so challenged, and to be enjoying it so much, makes me feel very excited to see this film. 3D doesn't really interest me, and the story of Avatar is interesting to me only in that it's fresh sci-fi content for the screen instead of another retread, but obviously James has his heart pumping and his brain overheating and he's still smiling - that's worth being there for!

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 11:10 a.m. CST

    darthbinks1220, nice tidbits on Selznick...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    but i still disagree with you on TPM being a failure - and i like Cameron too, but i wouldnt call any one of his movies "perfect", despite his "perfectionism" (but "the terminator" comes close) - and as far as pushing cinematic limits, 3D isnt anything new - and for it to really work the viewer needs near 20/20 vision - which i dont have - wearing that robocop visor over my thick glasses kinda kills the fun - this movie should stand on its own, minus the 3D presentation gimmick - and im sure it will (i hope it will) - it sounds amazing - i guess Lucas, Cameron and Zemekis want to do with the visual presentation of a movie what surround sound did for the audio - but im in the camp that feels movies were meant to be seen in 2D - theyre a window - a moving picture - not a holo-deck or a theme park ride

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Cus its aaall about the animators Jim

    by Make-up Joe

    Typical statement. So many other factors go into the making of a shot. Its not JUST about the animation.Its model, paint, lighting,compositing,roto,motion capture, etc. But in the end the animators get all the credit. And they'll talk about it like they did it all. FYI Jim. EVERYONES on fire when a shot works.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 11:45 a.m. CST

    dont forget Kraft Sevices...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    they make some kick-ass tuna salad

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 11:57 a.m. CST


    by Hugh G Rekshun

    Who the fuck cares. There'll probably be some jackass standing on the bow of a starship yelling, "I'm the king of the universe!". Oh and WETA is doing the SFX, so that's already a huge strike against it. This is one of the few sci-fi movies of the last few years that I have no interest in. Of course, the movie my end up being very which case, please ignore all of the above.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Why I think TPM is a failure.

    by darthbinks1220

    First off, Episode I's phenomenal box office was based on it being the first Star Wars film in 16 years. Had it been better, it MAY have given Titanic a run for the money as domestic champ. Now where do I begin? Jake Lloyd...Jar Jar...Pod Racing...battledroids... I can go on and on. Aside from the lightsaber duels, Liam Neeson's presence, and a very badass Sith named Darth Maul there was little else in TPM. The storyline was convoluted and uninteresting. At least the soundtrack was memorable. With all this said, George Lucas is a genius. He created the saga. He created Indy. 'nuff said.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Ranking Cameron's films.

    by darthbinks1220

    From best to worst: The Terminator, The Abyss S.E., Aliens, Terminator 2, True Lies, Titanic.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Ranking Camerons Films:

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    Also from best to "worst" (there is no bad Cameron flick, imho):<p>1. TERMINATOR 2<p>2. ALIENS (Director's Cut)<p>3.THE TERMINATOR<p>4.TRUE LIES<p>5. THE ABYSS<p>6. TITANIC<p>Actually, I don't really get why it seems to be cool nowadays to badmouth TITANIC. So many people saw and loved it. Given, I hate Kate Winslet, but the flick is pretty great.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Motoko Kusanagi


    No problem. with all these release date changes, who truely knows what's going to open and when.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 12:48 p.m. CST

    What I never liked about ALIENS is

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    that Cameron shot it in 1,85:1 instead of glorious 2,35:1 cinemascope.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 12:51 p.m. CST

    jim cameron

    by livahd

    you are a good, good man.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 1:51 p.m. CST

    the most photorealistic cg thing I have ever seen

    by slappy jones

    is one tiny shot out of two towers....gollum has wrapped his arm around frodos throat and you can only see gollums arm. I figures it must have been a prosthetic because it looked so real. but it was CG. and that one shot is the best thing that I have seen.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Motoko Kusanagi, you said...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    "Actually, I don't really get why it seems to be cool nowadays to badmouth TITANIC. So many people saw and loved it." - thats how i feel about TPM - so i tend to defend it, and end up sounding like an ass

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 1:58 p.m. CST

    kong could not have looked more "photo real" imo

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Well, JimmyJoe RedSky...

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    the big (actually HUGE) differences between TITANIC and THE PHANTOM MENACE are:<p>- TPM wasn't loved. People were just eager to see a STAR WARS movie in theatres - either again or for the first time<p>- TPM has no good storytelling, no memorable characters, no sense for pacing, no thrills<p>- TITANIC doesn't have an annoying-as-hell, kiddie-compatible CGI character or bland human characters which utter forgettable lines between the CGI showcases, etc. etc. <p>Don't get me wrong: I'm not trying to defend TITANIC, I'm just still PISSED about that fucked up STAR WARS movie that should've been sooooo much better...

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 2:27 p.m. CST

    well, Motoko Kusanagi, i liked it

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    but then i didnt pin all my SW hopes and dreams onto it - and i still like watching it - i only saw Titanic once back when it came out - but i digress - i like Cameron - "the abyss" is a great movie - sadly, seems almost forgotten now - too bad he didnt give us some more "alien" movies - he used a lot of that Titanic money to satisfy his oceanic itch - which i admire - but i woudve liked to have seen some more ambitious scifi escapism from him since 1997 - better late than never i guess - i expect to be blown away by "avatar" - it sounds like a definite blu ray purchase

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Yeah, THE ABYSS is great

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    and somewhat forgotten now.<p>Years ago, there was almost ALIEN 5 with Cameron (as a writer) but sadly those Fox suits decided to make a certain Vs.-movie instead...<p>I would've loved to see more sci-fi-action flicks from Cameron beyond 1997, too! Too bad he went underwater instead. I expect to be blown away by AVATAR, too, at least I put all my hopes in it.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 3:08 p.m. CST

    with the time going into this, i expect jaws to drop

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Two things Messi:

    by one9deuce

    1) I'm starting to think you're full of shit about the ALIENS in 70mm presentation. Again, where did you see this? <p> 2) I would have to disagree with you concerning THE LORD OF THE RINGS having the same SFX impact as KING KONG, STAR WARS, or JURASSIC PARK. Although Gollum is a truly amazing effect, there are just too many sub-standard effects in the trilogy.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 5:05 p.m. CST

    one9deuce... "sub-standard"?

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    are you nuts? - im more of an ILM fan, but i can even admit that the work Weta did for the rings movies was astounding - and not just Gollum - when i first saw "fellowship" i was blown away by the fx - they sold the fantasy as real - the cave troll fight was fantastic - and all done with a virtual hand held cam - the miniatures, special make up, mattes... sub-standard?.. come on

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 5:08 p.m. CST

    me too...

    by metaluna

    Why would anyone right now go to the trouble of blowing up Aliens to 70mm? It must be an old print. I think this is BS too. And I also think LOTR has way too many naff effects but then so many films with CGI do as they haven't the time or the money to complete in such a short space of time. I fear quite soon a lot of these films will look terrible and in fact already do. And lastly why anyone would defend TPM is laughable. It's a truly awful film.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 5:11 p.m. CST

    If he's going for photorealistic, then isn't 3D cheating?

    by rbatty024

    It's going to be easier to mix computer generated and real life when you're watching it in blurry 3D rather than a crystal clear digital projector or any projector for that matter.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 5:14 p.m. CST

    As long as it looks better than Beowulf...

    by alienindisguise

    I mean seriously, that flick looked like ass. Plastic skin and dead eyes. I hope Avatar doesn't suffer because of these same problems.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 5:21 p.m. CST


    by messi

    I'm in Australia at the moment visiting people. check out the site look at the calender, that's where I saw it. <p> one9deuce. also I do think LOTR had the same effects influence and it's not my personal opinion, the two most talked about things from LOTR that you would hear on every tv show, every review, every person you talked to, every message board even the fucking news was the visual effects and the cinematography. It had the first photoreal effects, how much was gollum brought up when Two Towers came out and the battle of Helms deep and Fellowship was the first movie where people thought what was effects ended up being real. The problem is guys like one9deuce and metaluna*theres always those dudes who disagree) are such small voices with opinions that don't make sense, LOTR is considered by many people and those in the industry as the high point of effects. Why? Because it had the first photoreal effects and the first purely real superimposition.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 5:25 p.m. CST

    i dont think Beowulf was intended to look "real"

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    i saw it as more of an illustrated story come to life - like the Hildebrandt brothers artwork coming to life - if reality was the goal, why not just film actors on a virtual set - i thought it was pretty cool - as far as animated fantasy films go

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Photoreal effects in LOTR?

    by one9deuce

    I don't think so. Gollum looked photoreal, but the Warg battle? Pitiful. Very, VERY few times did I think I was looking at something that actually existed in real life while watching LOTR. <p> AVATAR will make you believe that they took a spaceship to the planet Pandora and actually filmed on location. It will be MINDBLOWING! Not because of WETA, but because of James Cameron using WETA. The man made us believe that Ripley in a Power Loader was fighting the Alien Queen and he did it with a lot of miniatures! In 1986! The key to that scene is the rotating spotlights on the deck of the Sulaco, and brilliant editing between the miniatures and the full-size equipment. Trust me, AVATAR will own. <p> WATCHMEN and AVATAR in 2009! A long overdue return to great genre films. Finally!

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 6:10 p.m. CST

    planet "Pandora"... strike one

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 6:17 p.m. CST

    i like the warg battle

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    it was fun, cool, dramatic - did i think it was real? - no - wargs arent real - neither is a one horned cyclops or Mothra - part of enjoying these fx laden films is suspending your disbelief enough to buy the story and care about the characters - then you can enjoy a warg battle or 4 guys trying to take down a pissed off cave troll - you bunch of killjoys

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Motoko Kusanagi

    by darthbinks1220

    Terminator had a love story element T2 lacked w/ only mother/son dynamic. Abyss smokes Aliens respectively in S.E. forms. Again, I'm a sucker for the love story. True Lies bests Titanic 'cause the champ lacked a realistic love story. With that said, all Cmaeron's movies are B+ or better.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Motoko Kusanagi

    by darthbinks1220

    Terminator had a love story element T2 lacked w/ only mother/son dynamic. Abyss smokes Aliens respectively in S.E. forms. Again, I'm a sucker for the love story. True Lies bests Titanic 'cause the champ lacked a realistic love story. With that said, all Cameron's movies are B+ or better.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Will Cameron surpass Spielberg?

    by darthbinks1220

    Avatar would have to be HUGE, but he's the only guy in the vicinity of catching the 'berg at the box office. (PJ needs two huge Hobbit films). Cameron has claimed Avatar to be his Star Wars. If it is a quarter of that, he'll be unstoppable again. The pecking order would be Cameron, Spielberg, Jackson, Lucas-- as a sci-fi director. Then I'll expect all four of them one day ...along w/ Coppola, to give some long suffering great director his elusive Oscar.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 7:28 p.m. CST


    by dirtsandwich

    was cool but that's RZ's style right now. He's Improving on that. JC will mix live action with Kong and Gollum look but better, and then in 3D.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 7:40 p.m. CST



    I wonder how the image will look when it's compressed online?

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 7:43 p.m. CST



    Could you ask cameron if there's going to be some kind of 3D trailer? I'm sure he'll say no but it'll get him to address how the trailers will look online etc etc.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 7:49 p.m. CST

    One more thing about special effects

    by darthbinks1220

    I'm a big LOTR fan, too. PJ's films are very well made and deserve their awards. Just don't compare them sfx-wise to Kong '33, ANH, JP, ...and The Abyss, T2, Blade Runner. Those movies changed the industry in this regard. I've noticed many flaws in Gollum and disliked many of the depressing shot renderings of Fellowship. One scene with Frodo and Galadriel where she becomes a wraith looked positively laughable-- ranking with the worst of Jar Jar. Add to that, Frodo's irritating blank stare and ugh!

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 8:09 p.m. CST


    by messi

    fucking hell. boring people like you suck. the ones who will denounce everything positive about something because of one thing. Ohh no kong's effects were shit because of the dinosaur stampede scene. fucking hell i hate cunts like you. the negativity is just fucking annoying. The were brilliant effects. It wasn't just the CG characters, but the matte paintings and superimposition. It was he first photoreal effects.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Also LOTR did change the effects industry

    by messi

    I think you're judging it from personal opinion and not seeing exactly how respected the effects were, every effects house said how they now had to step up their game. every review commented on the photoreal effects. Two Towers was synonymous with "anything is possible now" really I don't get this view you guys are pointing out. it'd be like some random guy saying "there will be blood isn't a great movie" and just judging a blank and disregarding everything that has been said about it.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 8:46 p.m. CST

    "fucking hell i hate cunts like you"

    by one9deuce

    Oh Messi, were your tears falling onto the keyboard as you pounded out that sentence? <p> Sorry, but LOTR had some sub-par effects. Deal with it.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 8:47 p.m. CST

    "planet "Pandora"... strike one"

    by one9deuce

    JimmyJoe RedSky, what exactly are you trying, but failing, to say?

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 9:17 p.m. CST

    one9deuce, w/r/t JimmyJoe

    by systemsbroom

    I think he was implying that naming a planet "Pandora" in a movie is overwrought/stupid. <P> And, though Mr. JJRS and I don't see eye-to-eye all the time, I think that here (if that is what he meant), I'd have to agree with him.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 9:33 p.m. CST

    LOTR didn't have perfect effects...

    by Johnno

    Many times in the battle scenes you can see examples of looped animation cycles just look at the guys climbing up the ladders. Plus there were almost pathetic blurry composite shots of soldiers getting hit by debris and other issues. Anyway I love LOTR but in my opinion the Matrix sequels deserved more credit, and even they weren't perfect.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 11:02 p.m. CST


    by one9deuce

    I read the first half of the original scriptment for AVATAR. Trust me, Pandora is the perfect name for the planet. <p> Anyone who says AVATAR is going to be mediocre or bad will be eating a big ol' shitburger in December 2009!

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 11:30 p.m. CST


    by systemsbroom

    well, ok, I haven't read this "scriptment" you speak of, but I stand by my interpretation of what JimmyJoeRedSky may or may not have been saying. I think that the name "Pandora" for pretty much anything in a movie is ham-fisted. Much like naming a tragic hero something like "Oedipus Macbeth." <P> But share your knowledge, friend. Why is Pandora the "perfect name" for the planet?

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 12:36 a.m. CST

    "Abyss smokes Aliens", darthbinks1220?

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    I don't think so. The love story is good and gripping, but the ecological message is somewhat naive and the same applies to those underwater alien thingies.<p>ALIENS definitely has the better lines, more thrills and even more cool characters. Plus, the camera work is genius. Just imho, of course. :-)

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 12:38 a.m. CST

    Just got off the phone with Jim Cameron

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    he told me there was never a 70mm print of ALIENS...

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 1 a.m. CST

    Speaking of ALIENS

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    this reminds me of the genius talkback we had a few months ago where everyone quoted from the movie. That was AWESOME (as Michael Bay would say)! Must be one of the most quotable movies of all time and that says a lot about Cameron's writing skills.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 1:01 a.m. CST

    ALIENS: This time it's war!

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    I'm pretty curious what the tagline of AVATAR will be like.<p>Any ideas?

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 1:03 a.m. CST

    Remember Hudson saying:

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    "Maybe we got 'em demoralized."<p>Class.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 1:07 a.m. CST

    "I got signals.

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    I got readings, in front and behind... reading's off the chart!"<p>"Where, man? I don't see shit."<p>"He's right. There's nothin' back here."<p>"Look, I'm telling ya, there's somethin' movin' and it ain't us! Tracker's off scale, man. They're all around us, man!"<p>Those motion tracker scenes still manage to scare the shit outta me!

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 1:08 a.m. CST


    by Motoko Kusanagi

    "What is it, Hicks?"<p>"Hudson, sir. He's Hicks."

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 1:10 a.m. CST

    Somebody wake up Hicks.

    by Motoko Kusanagi


  • Feb. 22, 2008, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Get away from her

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    you bitch!

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Motoko Kusanagi

    by darthbinks1220

    Aliens was certainly intense. Abyss S.E., though to this day, is the most difficult film shoot in recorded history. Man's infinite capacity for stupidity and fear were redeemed by Virgil Brigman. Moved me to tears when he brought his wife back. Now that was intense. As I posted earlier, Star Wars fans were beating their chests prior to May 19th, 1999. They mocked Titanic and scenes like this one in the Abyss. When I think of a loved one in critical, the words "fight, fight, fight!" just don't seem so simplistic to me.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 1:14 a.m. CST

    THE ABYSS was moving indeed,

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    especially the reanimation scene you mentioned. The shooting was difficult but shooting APOCALYPSE NOW wasn't a walk in the park, either. Same must apply to WATERWORLD. <p>I still like the theatrical cut of THE ABYSS much more than the special edition, though.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 1:22 a.m. CST

    So raise your hand

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    if you think that was a Russian water-tentacle.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 1:25 a.m. CST

    I give this whole thing

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    a Sphincter Rating of about nine-point-five!

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 1:27 a.m. CST

    I'm still stunned seeing those

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    liquid oxygen scenes. Pretty cool effect. In fact, that poor mouse actually had to breathe that liquid stuff.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 1:27 a.m. CST

    Come 2009

    by Hamish

    You will all be talking about Stephen Lang's Col. Quaritch the same way you talk about Vasquez, Hicks, Apone and Hudson. He is going to own you - I've seen it.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 1:39 a.m. CST



    If you think LOTR as a trilogy had subpar effects, you sir, are an idiot. <p> Good Day.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 2:07 a.m. CST


    by Motoko Kusanagi

    I'm with you. Calling the effects of the LOTR trilogy "subpar" just show a lack of fx knowledge.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 2:20 a.m. CST

    In other news, does anyone remember Joe Hallenbeck?

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    Not from the boyscout flick but the reviewer of THE PHANTOM MENACE back in May, 1999? I think his best line was "Ms. Portman is instantly boinkable". So true. :-)<p>Re-read it here:

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 3:26 a.m. CST

    HD Aliens

    by Fortunesfool

    From what I remember, the special edition of Aliens only exists on video, where it was cut together for the Laserdisc box set.<p>Consider that alongside the grainy film stock that was used, either 'to give it a documentary feel' or 'it was just what the film stock was like at the time' depending on what day Jim is interviewed, and there's a limit on how good Aliens can get. The last THX transfers were basically it. HD will just show up the film grain more. Which is a pity.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 4:06 a.m. CST ALIENS - The Director's Cut

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    or "special edition" as you called it, does exist on DVD.<p>And grainy film looks pretty cool sometimes, imho.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 4:06 a.m. CST

    AVATAR - This time it's for real!

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    Can't fucking wait...

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 4:07 a.m. CST

    AVATAR - This time it's in 3D!

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    I wonder if there will be 2D versions of it, too.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 4:08 a.m. CST

    AVATAR - The Battle Across Time Part II

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    brought to you by Threemensional Glasses, Inc.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 4:09 a.m. CST

    AVATAR 3D - The Imax Experience

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    for 15 bucks.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 4:11 a.m. CST

    AVATAR - 3D To The Max

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    in association with Iron Jim 3D Corp.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 5:51 a.m. CST

    AVATAR 3D - Reaching New Depths of Terror

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    starring Dennis Quaid.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 5:53 a.m. CST

    I can't believe...

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    ...I'm still typing these lame fake titles. At this time.<p>I'm so lonely...

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 6:21 a.m. CST

    People with imperfect eyesight...

    by Ghostball

    Don't need to have a permanent downer on 3D theatrical movies - the whole idea behind them is that they will soon evolve beyond the need for the glasses. With the latest TVs, they already have.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 6:40 a.m. CST

    Hey, The Creepy Thin Man

    by Motoko Kusanagi


  • Feb. 22, 2008, 6:51 a.m. CST

    systemsbroom, yes - i was rolling my eyes at "pandora"

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    any kid couldve thought of that name for a planet - like planet "hades", or "olympus" - and, 1-9-doosh, if i could read the "scriptment" maybe id see it differently - mr. fx expert, you dont know what youre talking about - if you dont like the look of something, that doesnt qualify it as inferior - the rings fx had a specific cohesive look that fit the story they were helping to tell - even Galadriel's wraith freak out - it all fit - you didnt care for it, so to you it was "sub-par" - millions of people would disagree with you - its like someone saying "i hated the flying monkeys in "Oz", those fx were sub-par because i personally wasnt 100% fooled by them - visual fx are more about serving the story, "fooling" every cynical audience member into buying tham as stone-cold-real is secondary - smoke some pot and relax your erect conservative brain - you have know idea the amount of work that goes into doing this stuff - to just casually fluff it off as "sub-par" (to what i might ask?) is a big insult to the army of people that worked their asses off for years on these movies - and it shows how short sighted you are - but then most arm-chair critics are

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 6:57 a.m. CST

    excuse all the typos - im tired as shit

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    Ghostball, even with hardware free 3D movies (of which there are none) youd still need decent depth perception as a viewer - with no depth perception everything is flat (2D) - close one eye and start walking around or driving a car - thats me - everythings a picture - like a movie

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 9:58 a.m. CST

    "some of our early stuff (...) already looks laughably crude"

    by Lord_Soth

    So basically in 2 years the whole movie will look like that.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 10:08 a.m. CST


    by metaluna

    Apologies. Seems like there is a 70mm blow up print knocking about. Must be old though. Oh and erm.. keep taking the pills, man.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 10:55 a.m. CST

    The Lord of the Rings Trilogy

    by darthbinks1220

    is not my cup of tea. It's running, fighting, running, fighting, running,..... and Frodo. Boring as hell -- and waaay to long. The OT kicks the crap out of it at the box office, in print, music, games, merchandising, and is THE cinematic phenomenon of all time. Rings, Potter, Pirates, and Narnia are all of the same lot and lack the imagination of the saga. Heck, I'd just as soon sit through TPM again over TTT any day.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Have any of you talked about...

    by DocMHumphrey

    The fact that this movie has Michelle Rodriguez in it? Man, she's going to be doing her one-trick-pony Vasquez imitation. I unfortunately saw "Resident Evil" thank you. Rodriguez is a wannabe bad-ass.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 11:42 a.m. CST

    New 3D

    by DocMHumphrey

    Besides, new 3D deals with polarization. The glasses you wear only lets certain light through making the image three-dimensional.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 12:37 p.m. CST

    I'm an ILM fanboy???

    by moondoggy2u

    All because I feel that davey jones and optimus prime look better than king kong? news to me...

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Jack Colby, of course real planets . . .

    by systemsbroom

    . . . bear names from mythology (though, to quibble on a side point, that's because most of them were named by people a thousand years or more ago), that's different from how *fictional* planets (or countries or people or whatever) are named. <P> In fiction, the author/creator gives names to things with an eye to how that interacts with the rest of the work. Some names have attached to them great contextual meaning; some don't. This is why characters in movies often have names like "steve" or "jane" or "rob", and not "jesus" or "magellan"--authors are wise to not load something's moniker with a lot of meaning if their work has nothing to do with that meaning. <P> Here, apparently, a planet that figures centrally into this avatar dealie is named "pandora." "Pandora" has a huge amount of meaning tied up into it, in part because of the idiom of pandora's box, in part because it's one of like three greek myths that are *still* taught to schoolkids to this day. <P> Thus, if Cameron is naming his planet pandora, he's either a) unaware of the meaning tied up in the name, in which case the name choice is stupid, or b) the name is supposed to help convey the idea that the planet is a box of troubles for mankind, which makes the name choice eye-rollingly heavy-handed. <P> Which doesn't mean of course that I think that the movie will be bad (after all, Cameron doesn't really make idea-movies; I'd describe his stuff more as solidly built and technically highly accomplished), it's just probably, as Herr RedSky said, strike one.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 12:58 p.m. CST

    And another thing messi...

    by moondoggy2u

    that was one conversation on the subject you and I had like nearly two months ago. Let it go, man! So I think differently than you do--don't let it ruin your day, lad. I mean, really, I'm amazed you even remembered that little disagreement you and I had. I had no idea that some little off the cuff disagreement about effects left such an impression that you harbored negative feelings a full 60 days or so after the fact.<p>Look, I dont mean to be mean or cruel or anything; I'm just lending advice, is all. Try not to take everything so personally. Not every comment or disagreement is a sleight against you, Messi. Trust me, when you start to take something as petty and trivial as friendly discourse as serious as, say, a religious jyhad, you're going to find your days pretty joyless. <p>Hell, if I started taking disagreements that personally, I could never work in schools, have friends, or even be with my wife. After all, they differ on their opinions about film, politics, and even clothing styles with just as much conviction in their rightness as I possess in mine. You say you are being objective, but please try to understand, so am I; it is possible to have two opposing, objective opinions. <p>Sorry to ramble there, its just that I was so surprised that you took something this trivial so personally as to sling insults to complete strangers months after the perceived incident. Honestly, just relax.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Hell yes

    by Cobbio

    Thanks James Cameron for the update, and thank you Harry for posting it. I must admit I'm excited as hell for this film. The scale of it, the complex human-alien relations, the massive futuristic scenes and battles... holy shit I'm psyched.<p> "Beowulf" was fun to watch for its introduction to the new 3D format, but it wasn't exactly a memorable story. Not for me, anyway. I'll netflix the DVD but probably won't buy it. Unless there's an NC-17 cut with Angelia Jolie f'ing Beowulf, that is. Then maybe I'll buy it. That scene must've been fun for the artists to render, huh?<p> But I think Cameron will elevate 3D to a whole new level with "Avatar". Obviously, it's not only about effects. Story and creating compelling characters is what's most important to me, and I trust Cameron's ability to mesh sympathetic characters with cringe-inducing, face-smashing violence. He's done it in every film he's ever made. It's what I love about the guy.<p> 2009 can't come soon enough.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 1:59 p.m. CST

    im going to go with... GONNA ROCK!

    by crashbarbarian

    Terminator 1&2, Aliens, The Abyss, True Lies, this guy is gold... oh and that's not even mentioning the Titanic. Plus, i like Weta's stuff and i like ILM's stuff only when they try really hard and are paid really well. Example of not trying hard.. spiderwick chronicle... comon ilm, comon.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 2 p.m. CST

    Cameron rocks....

    by ZeroCorpse

    Michael Bay sucks. They are filmic opposites. When the Hollywood Ragnarok occurs, these two men will meet on opposite sides of the wasteland, and have their final battle amidst the corpses of fallen Hollywood gods. <p> <p> (NOTE- The term "Hollywood Ragnarok" and the concepts expressed above are copyright ©2007 ZeroCorpse, all rights reserved)

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Iron Jim

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Welcome back baby.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 3:12 p.m. CST


    by one9deuce

    You think I'm an idiot because you mis-read my post. I KNOW you're an idiot because you mis-read my post. I said SOME of the effects in LOTR are sub-par. The Warg battle looks like shit. Period.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 3:25 p.m. CST

    And also

    by one9deuce

    So if an "army of people that worked their asses off for years" make sub-par effects then I should just think "Well, they sure tried really hard" and let them slide? Fuck that. First of all, neither of you dumbfucks that questioned my knowledge of SFX have a clue who I am, and secondly, the fact of the matter is this: WETA had their best animators on Gollum. The most money and time for effects went into Gollum. The budget wasn't $300 million for each movie, so some effects don't get the same time and money put into them. Period. That is why you get shots of Gollum that look like they found an incredibly emaciated freak to play him instead of a bunch of ones and zeroes, and then you get shots like in the Warg battle...........

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 3:33 p.m. CST

    And lastly

    by one9deuce

    I love how a couple of people here are disparaging the name "Pandora" as heavy handed or obvious. As if every other planet currently known to man isn't already named after Greek mythology. So no precedent there or anything.......

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Every 'epic' movie of this decade wll look like shit

    by Prossor

    in 10 years purely for the fact that CGI is a a fairly new effects medium being noticed since the 90s. This is the equivalent of silent movie effects, the beginning of physical effects like the jumpy stop-motion, or blatant dummies. PHysical effects peaked in the 80s and many of those movies still look phenomenal to this day because they were honing that effects medium. This CGI shit will take a long time before they actually perfect it to the point of physical effects. That is why all of these movies nowadays are going to look like video games eventually, if they arent arleady starting to.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 4:07 p.m. CST

    one9deuce, actually . . .

    by systemsbroom

    . . . the planets currently known to man are named after figures from *Roman* mythology. <P> Anyway, the argument isn't that it's stupid to use a name for a planet from classical mythology (because, yeah, as you pointed out, there is precedent for that), it's the use of the particular name, which has a large amount of symbolic meaning. <P> Which is critical to keep in mind because Cameron didn't discover some planet named "pandora" and then make a documentary about it, he (or some writer) invented a planet and named it pandora. And worked it into a central position in a piece of fiction. Don't you see the difference? I mean, if I made a movie and named a character like "Dracula H. Frankenstein" or something, it would either be a clumsy way of indicating "hey, this guy's the villain" or just plain confusing, either of which would make members of the audience wonder what the director was thinking when he/she made the choice. <P> Which is all I am doing here.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 4:52 p.m. CST

    systemsbroom... "Herr"?

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    Dankeschön... hey one9deuce, you dont know who i am either - or what i do - and i stand by my statements, no matter what your knowledge of fx - which is staring to sound shaky - if you were in the field you wouldnt be making such sweeping dismissive statements - or maybe you are an insider and have a chip on your shoulder - get fired much? - your entitled to your opinion, but its just that - your opinion - like i asked before, "sub-par to what?" - for the period they were done and the purpose they served they (LOTR fx) were very good - the animated wolves in "exorcist, the beginning" are an example of "sub-par" - using your logic, if an fx house or filmmaker cannot achieve absolute perfection then an entire sequence should be scrapped - im glad Lucas didnt scrap the cantina scene, it wasnt perfect - how else or better could the warg battle have been done? - horses dressed as wargs? - every show has a budget - not every sequence is afforded 10 mil and unlimited turn around - grow up - maybe youll get promoted

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 5:58 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    I totally agree.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 6:05 p.m. CST

    JimmyJoe RedSky, you wrote:

    by one9deuce

    "like i asked before, sub-par to what?" <p> Like I said before, other effects IN THE SAME MOVIE! Are you like Mr. Short-term memory from SNL or something? Just scroll up!

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 6:08 p.m. CST

    systemsbroom, actually.....

    by one9deuce

    There is no Roman Mythology. They just lifted Greek Mythology wholesale and changed the names. Zeus to Jupiter, Aphodite to Venus, Poseidon to Neptune........ <p> You get the idea.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 6:46 p.m. CST


    by systemsbroom

    Not sure what point you are making, but we call 'em Venus, Mars, and Jupiter, not Aprodite, Ares, and Zeus. <P> And, yes, there is something called "Roman mythology." The Romans did lift myths and whatnot from the Greeks, but they did it from *everybody* they conquered or had dealings with, Roman culture being a blending of Etruscan, Iberian, Gallic, Egyptian, Judean, Punic, etc., cultures, along with the Greeks. It's both facile and inaccurate to say that Roman mythology was just a theft of Greek mythos with changed names.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 7:39 p.m. CST

    AVATAR 3D in your FACE

    by skywalkerfamily

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 8:25 p.m. CST

    one9deuce... you were calling them "sub-par" period

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    you only made the gollum comparison in a recent post - and even there id argue otherwise - as good as gollum is, he didnt completely outshine every other effect in the series - in fact id argue he (gollum) was convincing because of the level of fx alongside him (and the fx leading up to his first clear appearance) - this is my opinion

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 9:22 p.m. CST


    by haggardatbest

    Fuck him.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 10:25 p.m. CST

    A Visual Assault That Alters Reality

    by future help

    AVATAR (just tryin')

  • Feb. 23, 2008, 5:06 a.m. CST

    Is it me or did this talkback just get mental?

    by metaluna

    Well, has it?

  • Feb. 23, 2008, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Cameron hasn't made a movie in 10 years ...

    by Luscious.868

    This is sure to be full of excess and be failure of George Lucas proportions.

  • Feb. 23, 2008, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Cameron hasn't made a movie in 10 years ...

    by Luscious.868

    This is sure to be full of excess and be failure of George Lucas proportions.

  • Feb. 23, 2008, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Messi you're right about Aliens

    by ganymede3010

    Its' one the best movies made hands down. I can't name one action film that can match the intensity of Aliens. When I first saw Aliens, It was in my local theater, playing with Nightmare on Elm street as a double feature. How fucking awesome is that? Ha ha, I seen the best scariest horror film, and the best scariest action thriller of all time. Fuck anoyone who shits on Aliens.

  • Feb. 23, 2008, 3:12 p.m. CST


    by one9deuce

    Yes, the Roman's absorbed mythology from many different cultures, but we were only discussing the names of the planets. And the origins for those are in Greek Mythology.

  • Feb. 23, 2008, 3:17 p.m. CST

    JimmyJoe RedSky

    by one9deuce

    Here is my very first sentence on the LOTR SFX debate: "Although Gollum is a truly amazing effect, there are just too many sub-standard effects in the trilogy." <p> So your statement: "you only made the gollum comparison in a recent post" is 100% wrong. Please, learn to read and comprehend or learn to scroll up a talkback.

  • Feb. 23, 2008, 3:19 p.m. CST

    And yes, ganymede3010

    by one9deuce

    ALIENS kicks major ass. I think AVATAR will be on that level.

  • Feb. 23, 2008, 3:48 p.m. CST

    one9deuce, whatever man...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    i read that as you sayin - with the exception of Gollum, the rings trilogy had poor fx - and i strongly disagree with you - im sure JC does too - and i hope Avatar is much better than Aliens - i also hope it has great fx that look good in a 2D venue - funny how all the cgi haters in here seem to suddenly jump ship when it comes to Cameron - like he is the only director capable of handling an fx heavy film - well, i hope all of your anxiousness pays off in the end - if we are not fooled into thinking it's all real, i hope youre as forgiving an audience meber as i am - youll enjoy it more - but i doubt it - to some this might end up being just a very well rendered "roger rabbit" - its not enough to make something look real - the success or failure begins at the design stage, on paper - long before anything is sculpted (in clay or pixels) - a bad design rendered to look real is still a bad design - but either way, im very much looking forward to this - looks ill be absent from this place for a while now - good thing too, arguing anonymously gets addictive - back to work, vacations over

  • Feb. 23, 2008, 3:53 p.m. CST

    one9deuce, actually . . .

    by systemsbroom

    . . . I wasn't discussing the names of the planets. I was originally discussing why naming something "pandora" in a movie is likely heavy-handed. Then, I spent a couple of posts correcting two incorrect assertions that you made, reproduced here, for convenience: <P> 1) "As if every other planet currently known to man isn't already named after Greek mythology." -one9deuce, Feb 22nd, 2008 03:33:49 PM <P> 2) "There is no Roman Mythology. They just lifted Greek Mythology wholesale and changed the names." -one9deuce, Feb 22nd, 2008 06:08:45 PM <P> Like I said before, the planets bear Roman names, and yes Virginia, there is something called Roman mythology. It's the myths that were part of Roman culture. <P> Anyway, I don't want to get into a semantic argument with you, especially since I think the (marginally) meaningful part of our disagreement was that I think the name "pandora" is hamfisted, and you think it works very well, based on your read of this "scriptment" thing you mentioned. So, as I've asked before, why not settle this by sharing what you know of the plot, and then you can focus your energies on this other lord of the rings special effects stuff you are debating.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Jim's talent never left. This flick will be amazing.

    by JDanielP

    And EVERYONE in this talkback will will LOVE IT! 8^D

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Sir James Cameron...

    by --- Emperor ---

    I dont post much on these forums, mainly because they are ridden with illiterate, half-witted, uneducated, uncultured buffoons. But with James Cameron, enthusiasm to post is reinvigorated. Let me state that James Cameron is a tremendous film maker. Along with Milos Forman and Peter Jackson, probably the most adept film maker of the 20th century and early 21st century (thats before I start making films of course). Many people do not really understand why Cameron is good, and even fewer understand why Titanic is such a good movie. It's become fashionable these days to criticize the (by far) most successful film of all time, but thats just typical of contemporary garbage/junk culture and junk thought. Cameron shits all over Spielberg in virtually every field of the story telling process. Spielberg is a pretender...a very good, competent pretender. Cameron is a true visionary...And I respect this man. George Lucas is a guy with great ideas and lackluster transition. I think the prequel trilogy is one of the smartest stories every written, but extremely poorly executed. Had James Cameron been in charge of the prequel trilogy, you can bet your life insurance plan that these would have toppled Lord of the Rings in every way. Lucas has great ideas, Spielberg is a great politician, but Cameron is a true master of the filmic medium. I have every confidence that Avatar will be among the great sci-fi films ever made.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Render talk

    by Teddy Artery

    Cameron's talking about long render times is meaningless. As a director, he's involved in every aspect of the film, from concept to script, casting, pre-production, filming, etc., etc.... Just because he is involved in the computer graphics end of things right now is meaningless. The script has been completed for years now, and he apparently got the performances he needed, so he's moved on. Doesn't mean a bloody thing.

  • Feb. 25, 2008, 5:03 a.m. CST

    Showest 2008?

    by Rindain

    A while back Jim said he expected to tease us with the first image/footage at Showest 2008. With the release date change to Dec. '09, however, does anyone have any idea if this is still the case? If not Showest 2008, I wonder if he and Fox will decide to wait until Showest 2009?

  • Feb. 25, 2008, 8:57 a.m. CST

    The release of Avatar

    by kwisatzhaderach

    will be the end of Wiseman, Bay and Ratner.

  • Feb. 25, 2008, 4:56 p.m. CST


    by one9deuce

    So the Roman's merely changing the names of the Greek Gods makes it a brand new mythology huh? Are you sure your not the owner of "McDowells" from COMING TO AMERICA? McDowells is of course totally different than McDonalds because McDonalds has the Golden Arches and McDowells has the Golden Arcs. Totally different.

  • Feb. 25, 2008, 5:03 p.m. CST

    systemsbroom, you wrote:

    by one9deuce

    "So, as I've asked before, why not settle this by sharing what you know of the plot" <p> I wouldn't do that in a talkback because of spoilers of course, but trust me, it is awesome on every level. I started reading the original sciptment right before "Project 880" was announced as James Cameron's next film. I was halfway through when I realised that "Holy shit, HE IS ACTUALLY GOING TO MAKE THIS! All I can tell you is that I guarantee it will blow your mind.

  • Feb. 26, 2008, 1:24 a.m. CST

    Wait! Aang doesn't live in a world like that!

    by Cinenima

    Oh! Wrong Avatar. This is the fake Avatar that every kid will hope its what they think it is, only to be disappointed. Camoron (yes, spelled it like that on purpose) needs to dump the title.

  • Feb. 26, 2008, 5:32 p.m. CST


    by one9deuce

    I know something right now in February 2008 that you apparently won't know until after December 2009. When James Cameron releases AVATAR to the world, "Avatar: The Last Airbender" will virtually cease to exist. Sort of like the television show "Matrix" after THE MATRIX was released. <p> And if you don't think so then.........well it doesn't matter what you think. It's an inevitability.

  • Feb. 26, 2008, 11:37 p.m. CST

    --- Emperor ---

    by drompter

    Excuse me, but did you just called Peter Jackson the most adept film maker of the 20th century and early 21st century? In that case: yes, you are right, when you claim that this forums are ridden with illiterate, half-witted, uneducated, uncultured buffoons.

  • March 1, 2008, 4:18 a.m. CST

    James Cameron is GOD!

    by Sackratte

    Now I have your attention I have to say: I'm the biggest James Cameron fan because no one is doing better mainstream movies! Cameron is doing exactly what I want to see on screen. Exactly what Hollywood should bring to us: Good movies with characters to care about. All packed in excellent perfectionism. I don't know another film maker who can make me feel and care about fictional worlds and characters like he is doing with his movies and scripts. The fact James Cameron is doing another pure Science-Fiction movie like his last one ALIENS is so exciting I can't wait to see the first trailer! I grew up with his movies and he never dissappointed with a single movie. Everything was like expected and it is time he shows this generation how a movie should look like. I don't have huge expectations for this movie regarding the talkback about a 'new film era and new technology'. I simple knoe the man will deliver! Long live James Cameron!

  • March 2, 2008, 8:23 a.m. CST


    by --- Emperor ---

    I am sure you are a Michael Bay fan. So take your useless insepid ass and go sniff some turkey, you dumbass monkey.

  • March 2, 2008, 8:24 a.m. CST

    And with a name like "Drompter"...

    by --- Emperor ---

    ...You deserve to be sent to Auschwitz, with an alias/name like that. Loser freak.

  • March 2, 2008, 10:08 p.m. CST

    If I can't be first then I guess I'll be.....................

    by odo19


  • March 3, 2008, 10:39 p.m. CST

    This is my first E-mail to you.

    by berry-h

    Please never forget that you have a great admirer in Japan. Yours truly, berry-h