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#43 2/13/08 #6

Greetings Faithful Talkbackers, Ambush Bug here, welcoming you to another installment of AICN Comics. Before we get started with the reviews, I want to remind everyone to check back in on Fridays for our new/old AICN Comics News column aptly dubbed SHOOT THE MESSENGER (You can check out last Friday’s column here). My good friend and fellow @$$Hole Stones Throw is the man putting himself in the line of fire to bring you all the previous week’s pertinent news bits, Q & @ interviews, and of course, a heaping helping of sweet @$$y goodness. This week look for an interview with THE PERRY BIBLE FELLOWSHIP’s Nicholas Gurewitch.
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In the meantime, we have a scad of reviews for you. And here they are…



Writers: Johns, Gibbons, Marz, Burnett, Gates, Tomasi Art: Gibbons, Van Sciver, Reis, Gleason, Unzueta, Melo, Blaine, Alixe, Nguyen, Woods, Ordway, Igle, Lacombe Publisher: DC Comics Reviewer: barking_frog

This review covers:
The TPB's are scheduled to be released: Green Lantern: The Sinestro Corps War, Vol. 1, Feb 20, 2008 Green Lantern: The Sinestro Corps War, Vol. 2, Jun 3, 2008 Green Lantern: Tales of the Sinestro Corps, Jun 3, 2008
This was a difficult review for me to write; I'm coming at THE SINESTRO CORPS WAR with almost zero knowledge of the "GL universe," and not all that much knowledge about the DCU in general (I was a Marvel zombie, and haven't yet completely corrected for that condition).
I often start to rough out a review before I've finished reading the material, so I'm used to throwing pages away as a story defeats my early impressions. But nothing has punished me in this regard the way SINESTRO WAR has. Every time I thought I was seeing a problem with it, one or two issues later the problem would be addressed. SINESTRO WAR is big, in a number of ways -- it's a successful blend of many elements, and it forced me to change my mind about it over and over.
This is a long review, so for those considering buying the trades but who don't care about my rambles, here's what I say in summary:
If you know GL and general DCU history, you will probably love SINESTRO WAR. It's a great story.
If you don't know GL/DCU history, the first half of SINESTRO WAR could be work for you -- but it pays the effort back in its last half. That might make it a poor choice for a casual comics reader, and definitely makes it a poor choice for someone looking for an easy jumping-on point. But by the same token, if the reader is willing to work through the first half without much idea what's going on, ultimately I doubt there could be a better jumping-on point for GL.
Now the rambly bits.
There's a Mark Millar interview in this month's WIZARD where he talks about FANTASTIC FOUR. He attributes the FF's success in the 60's, and fall from storytelling grace in the three and a half decades since, to a problem of scope. He observes that Lee and Kirby did so much with the early FF that subsequent creators have been perhaps afraid to expand upon that foundation. But -- he also observes -- the thing at the heart of Lee and Kirby's success was that they expanded the scope of their stories with almost every issue. Millar says he hopes to recapture that early spirit by exceeding the limits Lee and Kirby unintentionally established.
With the end of SINESTRO WAR, this is exactly what Geoff Johns & Co. have done.
I'm writing this review today for readers not particularly familiar with GL, who haven't read the individual SINESTRO WAR issues released. Consequently I can't reveal anything about the ending (I do spoiler some of the middle, but nothing that should ruin the story), but I do want to say that it doesn't disappoint. It's "cosmic" in the way it seems a story arc about interstellar policemen should be, but more than that, it introduces new elements into the GL mythology that are such a logical extension of what's gone before that the biggest surprise is nobody's already done it.
In short, it's exactly the sort of thing Lee and Kirby would've done if they'd created the first 50 issues of GREEN LANTERN, and I expect what Johns, etc. have done will remain a staple of GL myth from here on out.
Which is all to the good, but I did find the first half of SINESTRO WAR difficult. The best way I can think of to explain why is Charles Dickens.
I like Dickens. I love OLIVER TWIST. But I read A TALE OF TWO CITIES last year and was fairly lost. Too many characters, too many settings, tenuous connections between both, and historical situations I didn't really understand.
I had the sense throughout that I was reading a great novel, but I just didn't have the background to fully appreciate it. Consequently much of it passed over my head. I'm sure a brief education on the French Revolution and a reread of the novel would give me an entirely different perspective.
That -- in a nutshell -- is how I felt about SINESTRO WAR until somewhere in Part Four, when I started to get a sense of what was happening.
Sure, I had a vague idea who Parallax was -- and while I haven't read CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS, I recognized the Anti-Monitor. But that's not much to go on by way of sorting out the vast number of characters, settings, and references to prior events that Johns, etc. put to use.
I often didn't know whether I was reading the introduction of a new character, or the reintroduction of an old character with history I should be familiar with. One acute example from later in the story: when we got Sodam Yat's background in Part Ten, I couldn't be sure whether he was an old character getting a very detailed backstory recap, or a new character who had just not been filled in until then. The fact that I couldn't contextualize him in this way caused me to second-guess his interactions with other characters; I had no idea if there was more happening than I was aware of, or if everything was right there on the surface.
I might have given up early on, except I knew Geoff Johns does great work -- I'd read GREEN LANTERN #16-20, and thought they were among the best comics published in the first half of 2007 (immediately pre-SINESTRO WAR). So I trudged through the beginning issues.
At the end, I was glad I'd trudged. Going into the second half, the huge cast began to gel, and the TALES OF THE SINESTRO CORPS one-shots (among other in-story background) provided context I was really needing. The background material the one-shots contain should ideally have been presented earlier, but apparently the tale grew in the telling, and the one-shots weren't added to the story line until after initial issues of Sinestro War had proven popular ( Wiki '08Feb16) .
As far as they go, PARALLAX is a quick read with a simple theme and a tacked-on, kind of sloppy ending -- but it did a lot to fill me in on a character who plays a major role in the main story. CYBORG-SUPERMAN does the same for the Manhunters and the title character, who I knew literally nothing about except that he'd somehow figured into the “Death and Return of Superman”. SUPERMAN-PRIME gives us the character's background from CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS.
The SECRET FILES issue, incidentally, also has plenty of information to fill in blank spots for new readers, but it also contains spoiler info because it's up to date with the end of SINESTRO WAR rather than the beginning.
SINESTRO WAR was difficult for me to get into, but I don't consider it a flawed story for that -- it's just that I was on the fringes of its target audience. It isn't KINGDOM COME or EARTH X, where a newbie can pick up and appreciate exactly what's going on because the subject matter is a cast of iconic characters in entirely new situations. SINESTRO WAR isn't supposed to be that. Johns, Gibbons, etc. do a fine job scattering background throughout the chapters as a refresher on Sinestro's relationship with Hal, previous GL Corps matters that tie in, and so forth, to the extent they're able in very short flashbacks -- it's just not enough to pick up on the full sweep of events unless one has read the basis material.
I'm sure if the authors had given us a thorough briefing on GL history in a chapter or two at the beginning of SINESTRO WAR, they would've bored hell out of their intended audience of GL fans who've been with the characters a while. Johns, etc. intend SINESTRO WAR as the middle segment in a trilogy that incorporates and expands existing GL mythology. I can't imagine a writer(s) doing something that big and making it newbie-friendly without slowing things down inexcusably.
A second place where SINESTRO WAR at first seemed to be falling down was that up until Part Six, there was no human interest element to speak of. It's a war story and not a character drama, but every good story calls for development of a character or characters or the exploration of a theme, regardless of how much shooting is involved.
In its first half there's not really much in SINESTRO WAR to care about. It looks like it's shaping up to be SECRET WARS over again -- just a huge superbrawl that'll run on for 11 or 12 issues. It's never SECRET WARS bad, of course -- the characters are well-written even if they don't seem to be going anywhere, the environments are interesting, and the artwork is often stunning. Then, thankfully, the emotional tone abruptly changes and the final half involves us with several of the characters (even, to a lesser degree, with some of the villains).
If the reader is already familiar with GL/DCU history, it may be that none of my previous statements will apply. If the reader already knows these characters and their backgrounds, there might be elements present in the first half that were completely lost on me as a new reader. I won't argue the point -- I know my own ignorance. But I expect that most readers new to GL and/or the DCU, picking this story up for the first time in TPB, will have an experience similar to mine; if that describes you, be warned you could be in for a rocky start with SINESTRO WAR.
As to what Johns, etc. do that you'll probably like regardless of whether you know the GL/DCU mythology...
Even as a GL virgin, I can tell a tremendous amount of work has gone into this. What's here is plenty to get me interested in going back and exploring some of the roots of SINESTRO WAR, so even though I found the first half discouraging, the second half has me interested in looking in particular at Johns' prior GL work, as well as some GL history in general.
Johns and Gibbons draw from diverse sources for the war. The creepy kids who can explode, and head straight for the heart of Mogo, are an effective combination of accounts of Vietnam and 9/11. The reprogramming of the rings in the middle of SINESTRO WAR and the resulting question over whether the "good guys" are any better than the "bad guys" when they rewrite the rules with their backs against the wall echoes concerns in the U.S. right now, as in an attempt to adjust to the newly demonstrated domestic terrorism threat we do things we once would've condemned other countries for doing.
Sinestro's feeling that he won, regardless of any superficial goals he had, by provoking the GL Corps onto the slippery slope of abolishing a long-standing bylaw is chillingly in line with the possibility that we in the U.S. have already lost the War on Terrorism. Despite the fact that not a blow has been struck against us domestically in seven years, we've set a precedent for giving up our freedoms in exchange for a feeling of security; Johns appears to be addressing this in metaphor, as the Lanterns sacrifice part of what's made them Lanterns in exchange for the security of the revised bylaw (Johns is already beginning to explore this theme in GREEN LANTERN #26.).
The battle scenes, of course, are 80% of the page count, and they're excellent. They seem to do what the STAR WARS prequels tried and failed to do. They succeed in giving the impression that critical events are happening on more than one or two fronts, rather than just the "generic war background" Lucas seemed often to fall back on. Heck, there's even a Death Star, after a fashion.
The JLA (and JSA and pretty much everybody) gets involved. I was wondering early on if SINESTRO WAR wasn't big enough that it would be awkward to pretend the GL's were the only superheroes in the DCU, so I was pleased when the other heroes appeared. At the same time, I was glad their involvement wasn't executed as the kind of loathsome sprawling crossover Marvel does.
And a personal peeve SINESTRO WAR avoids: it's not possible for most authors to spend the time to make the vast majority of fictional alien environments feel real. Readers get shortcuts -- "this is an alien world that's basically the wild west; this is an alien world where the only real difference is plant people," etc. This is a necessary evil especially in GL comics. Johns and Gibbons elegantly avoid this pitfall, given the constraints of the format, by offering us alien settings -- but not dwelling any more than necessary on alien civilizations, and then moving everything to Earth for the final half.
Finally, SINESTRO WAR is effectively over with GREEN LANTERN #25. The two Epilogue issues I've read, and the ION one-shot, seem to be little more than DC cashing in on a successful story arc by slapping the SINESTRO WAR title on anything with a tenuous connection.
Each of those issues has moments that shine, but not enough of them to make an issue out of (with the possible exception of GREEN LANTERN #26, which starts moving things forward into new territory again). They're largely an exercise in decompression, presumably to stretch sales. This might be true as well of the “Sinestro Corps War Crimes” material I've started to see, but I haven't looked into it to find out.
Mid-arc cruft is minimal, but does include the BLUE BEETLE story which could just as easily have been skipped.
In conclusion, while I'd enjoyed THE SINESTRO CORPS WAR immensely by the time I was done with it, it took me a while to get through the early issues. I can't, without reservations, recommend it purely on its own merits -- the reader should either be already familiar with the material SINESTRO WAR builds upon, or be willing to experience some confusion and disorientation in the first half of the story. That aside, this arc will clearly become a mainstream comics classic, and I have little doubt it will soon be numbered among the most important Green Lantern stories.
Edward Livingston-Blade is barking frog and thinks a Power ring would be really great for scratching that spot you can't reach right in the middle of your back. When he's not doing reviews Edward is the writer behind the genre-defying comics/prose multimedia project The Man Who Wasn't There -- regular new installments of which will begin appearing Real Soon Now.


Writer: Mark Millar Penciler: Bryan Hitch Publisher: Marvel Comics Reviewed by Humphrey Lee

Out of the recent wave of new and upcoming Mark Millar projects, this beginning of his FANTASTIC FOUR run is easily the one I figured I'd probably end up giving a shot to. Really, I'm not out to try and overly criticize the man because there are a solid amount of titles and runs he has come up with that I have enjoyed a good bit, but there's also a lot that have come off as too self-indulgent for their own good, or in some cases downright egotistical (I'm looking at you WANTED #6). When the man is channeling his creativity to the max, though, and can keep these tendencies in check, those are when he really earns all the praise he garners. His ULTIMATE FANTASTIC FOUR run immediately comes to mind, and I figured if he could handle those characters about as perfect as you get, then it shouldn't be much effort to come up with a years’ worth of adventures for their older, more "mature" (with one notable exception) 616 counterparts.
And what do you know, it’s looking like it worked out...
I didn't have this on my pull sheet. Like I said earlier, I tend to have reservations about Millar books at first, but all it took was the first couple pages with a time-jumping Richards family crashing in on the present day after being chased down by Indians (shooting bullets with their bows, apparently, but I'll forgive this little mishap cause it looked pretty) and Johnny Storm stepping in just in time to make fun of Ben's specialty garb and then proclaiming he's off to become a rockstar. Just another day at Four Freedoms Plaza.
The rest plays out more as setup than anything, or playing more a "Day in the Life" of the team with Ben and Reed off to Ben's old school to entertain for the day, Sue playing philanthropist and getting a group together dedicated to helping people victimized by superhuman incidents, and Johnny off to be, well, Johnny. It's really more of what make the FF such an enjoyable group to read about when they're handled properly. That sense of family and day-to-day tribulations that come with it really help humanize these superpowered individuals, and the entertainment factor is exacerbated by being the most famous family on the planet and all the "joys" that come with that fact. Millar definitely knows how to play this all up which made this one of those books where you're constantly smiling to yourself as you read it. Top it all off with a pretty unexpected and intriguingly futurist cliffhanger and I can say this should be a great year for the First Family.
On art, well, you should know what to expect with Bryan Hitch pencils by now. Ultra-detailed, very realistically rendered, with just a hint of photo-referencing (which in this case doesn't seem to be terribly apparent). Most of the issue takes place in standard Widescreen panels, but that's how Hitch gets his flow on so it works very well for his style of pacing. And did I mention detailed? There might not be a lot of action in this particular issue, but I'll be damned if every panel isn't crammed with as many nooks and crannies and knicknacks as you can find making it look like, y'know, a real household. Add in the two page splash at the end of the book and you can check off the art as being on its game too. Amazing what a little lead-in time can do...
I'm always a big fan of FANTASTIC FOUR being a "must read" book. Really, given the lush creative history of the title, and just the essence of who and what they are, and combine all that with the fact that they've never really been terribly overexposed even with a couple semi-hit movies the past few years, there's just really no excuse to not be able to give a creative team some free reign with the book like Millar and Hitch are doing here. It's been at least since Waid and the late great Mike Wieringo were doing their thing on the title that I've seen anyone doing what is going on in just one issue of this team here, and that's really kind of a shame. But it looks like the book is back in good hands, even if it's just for a fleeting run. The way the things are going in this age of comics, you learn to take what you can get.
Humphrey Lee is a long time AICN reviewer and also a certified drunk whose claim to fame is making it up four steps of the twelve step program before vomiting on steps five and six and then falling asleep on steps one through three. Also, chances are, he's banged your mom (depending on the relative hotness of said parental figure) and is probably the father of one of your younger siblings.


Words by Art Baltazar & Franco Art by Art Baltazar Published by DC Reviewed by Tiny Stones Throw

Sometimes the customary @$$hole reviewing techniques aren’t suitable for every book. I took a second look at my 1,000 word thesis on DC’s TINY TITANS # 1, a new production by the graphic novelists Art Baltazar and Franco, with detailed analysis on significant panels like the one on page ten where the Tiny Titans throw their arms in the air and yell “YYEEEAAAYYYY!!!” (the way Aqua Lad and Beast Boy’s arms partially protrude from the four, prison-like walls of the rectangle and into the white void of the page gutter, combined with the unorthodox spelling of “yyeeeaaayyyy”, being highly representative of a youthful exuberance according to my interpretation), and decided another voice, more in tune with the publication’s target audience, was needed. I opted to consult my inner child, whom a few gallons of Bushmills’ was enough to bring out.
So, Tiny Throw, what did you think of DC’s most recent stab at kids’ comics?
Okay people, first I want to say that this comic book was totally GAY! Like, first of all, no one died in it! Twenty too pages, not one death! I mean, I get PREACHER and CONSTANTINE from the libary, lots of people die! I read CIVILL WAR, Black Goliath got shot thru the chest with a lightning bolt by clone Thor! THAT was realistic!
This won, no deaths! Just mischievous kid versions of the Teen Titans in hilarius and cute punch lines like the Sunday funny papers! And by the way, who the gosh darn frickin’ hell cares about the Teen Titans?!! The X-Men are much cooler, they don’t have the word “teen” in the title. And some off them carry weapuns.
And also, the way they printed the comic on non-shiny paper so it would cost less was, like, the worst thing ever!! Like kids wouldn’t notice that! I mean, this is the kind of comic book that might actually get kids to start reading comics, or start reading altogether! That sucks!!! Reading is GAY! And it appeals to GIRLS equally to boys! I mean, like, 3 WHOLE PAGES of Starfire, Batgirl, Wonder Girl, Raven and Bumblebee walking along with lollipops making jokes! Ick!! And none of them even had to bend over in the foreground!! OncE!
I mean, most comics I read, the stories drag out for months across issues. This one, lots of stories in one book! What the hell were they thinking?!? Where was the characterization?! I don’t feel like I know who Kid Flash IS!!! And what about continuity? In Robin’s own title he bit Ra’s Al Ghul’s ear off! Where was the ear here? I didn’t see it! And I haven’t even mentioned that this book completely IGNORES COUNTDOWN TO FINALL CRISIS!! WTf?! Is it just miraculously existing on its own? I say the way editors are slacking off their jobs has gone far enough!
To sum up, this is a comic aimed at kids and totally on our level. That SUCKS! No bawdy jokes for adults, just refreshingly clean, juvenile humor!! That SUCKS! The art is gorgeously cartoony and simple to understand! That SUCKS! Should have got Jim Lee, gaylords! Rather than stretching out one dull storyline across multiple issues, this book contained dozens of gags and stories in just one comic! That SUCKS! This was like a comic back from when kids actaully RED comics! Quit living in the past, DC!!!
Finaly, the puzzle to help Beast Boy find his puppy was, like, WAY too easy. It took me thirty seconds! The trick is to trace backwards.


Writer: Brian Michael Bendis Artist: Michael Gaydos Publisher: Marvel Comics Reviewer: Jinxo

People, THIS is how you break up a super hero relationship. Mephisto-shmisto. This is the evil heartbreak of a true split. Awesome. Just a true kick in the scrotum for poor Power Man. And in a way it’s a return to the Jessica Jones from ALIAS. Back then she was well intentioned but so messed up and self-destructive. Of late she’s fallen to the background and become just the “mom” character, “Luke Cage’s wife”. The issue starts where the NEW AVENGERS ANNUAL left off: having barely pulled herself and her baby to safety after an attack on Doctor Strange’s house, Jessica Jones flees with her baby to Stark Tower seeking asylum and wanting to register with The Initiative. This issue covers the ugly fallout. It’s good stuff.
Now, I’ve stated all of the above as if this was just a normal situation but of course this is actually playing out over the backdrop of the Skrulls’ Secret Invasion. It adds another level to things. Quite frankly, it seems pretty clear here who the Skrulls used as a mole inside The New Avengers. The thing I like is that you can see it clearly by reading between the lines. The New Avengers are sort of a problem as far as infiltration. They’re unregistered. Hard to learn their history to seamlessly replace them. And they’re hiding out, so hard to slip a substitution into their ranks. Now the Skrulls could have made their move before the Civil War, but that’s still problematic. The team split in two different Avengers groups. 50% chance any spy might have went to The Mighty Avengers. But it is clear there is someone in the gang who exited the book and then returned. But then, of course, the group is now alerted to the Skrulls. They’re on the lookout for infiltrators. Harder for a Skrull to con folks. Might call for a change in tactics, maybe shift from infiltrating to putting the heat on our guys. They’re already distracted, distrusting of each other. Just need to take up a position where you can put pressure on them and keep them on the defensive and they won’t be a problem.
What would normally disappoint me is that the clues are there for The New Avengers to piece it together. But here I buy that they really wouldn’t. Jessica’s defection is too distracting. In particular, it has Luke Cage so in pain that he’s not thinking clearly. I like that a whole lot. Usually when a leading character misses something they should see the writer doesn’t take the trouble to come up with a plausible reason for it. It’s like, “They need to be dumb for things to work so they’re dumb.” Here Bendis supplies a giant, distracting, thoroughly entertaining load of pain as a believable distraction.
In terms of the art I also love seeing Michael Gaydos drawing this issue. I just have not been able to get behind the art on the book of late. Might be some people’s cup o’ tea but it was bugging me. Actually Gaydos’ style is just vaguely similar enough to Yu’s recent work on the book that it makes for a nice transition. Seeing as Gaydos was there at the start of Cage and Jones’ relationship in ALIAS, it seems appropriate for him to be there for the end. It also gives readers a little more context to appreciate any emotion – or lack of emotion – Luke or Jessica display. He’s drawn these characters’ emotions before. When he brings the pain, he knows how it should look. We know how their reactions as drawn by him should look. Or not.
Plus the Avengers go apartment hunting. Dammit. I just know they’ll be upstairs from me. “Hey, dickweeds! I’m trying to watch TORCHWOOD down here! Could you keep your alien battles to BEFORE 8pm? Thanks a lot.”
Jinxo is Thom Holbrook, lifelong comic book reader, and the evil genius behind He may appear cute and cuddly but if encounter avoid eye contact and DO NOT attempt to feed.


Writer: Geoff Johns & Jeff Katz Artist: Dan Jurgens & Norm Rapmund Publisher: DC Reviewer: Optimous Douche

To truly appreciate the zero issue of BOOSTER GOLD – The Greatest Hero the World Has Never Known, you will need to open up your own brain pan, scoop out the messy gray matter that allows you to process the words on the pages of Ain’t It Cool News, and plop in the portion of Geoff Johns’ brain that holds his unwavering reverence for DC material that is almost a generation old.
Like his turn on Green Lantern and the other countless DC books Johns is currently scribing, the characterization in this book harkens back to an earlier DC universe. Forget the first Crisis, certainly forego the Second Crisis and its slew of ancillary titles, keep a smidge of Zero Hour knowledge on hand and take a trip back to 1987 when DC first rebooted JUSTICE LEAGUE.
In my humble opinion, this is the last time that DC characters had true personality. I’m not talking about the staple personality traits like Batman being eternally morose or Superman’s corn fed “awww shucks” attitude on everything from global cataclysm to his first hummer from Lois Lane. When I say personality, I’m talking about the personality of the ancillary characters. I want you to take a second and think of your favorite movie, television show or play. Think about what you remember most from the show. The truly memorable characters are not those at the forefront driving the action, but rather it’s the minor players with their delicious off-center idiosyncrasies that make the action or the plot more enjoyable. In the show “Silver Spoons”, was it Ricky Schroeder’s pampered little rich boy that made the show funny or was it Jason Bateman’s sarcasm laced dialogue that kept the show going?
When I picked up the first issue of JUSTICE LEAGUE in 1987, I was traversing unknown territory. Up until that time I had wasted my youth burying myself in RICHIE RICH and the billions of titles that told the tales of his pampered exploits. I made a few forays into the darker side of comics, but never fully committed myself to action oriented titles. JUSTICE LEAGUE accomplished what Batman and Superman were unable to do: Giffen wrote a cast of characters that were not only hell bent on saving the universe, but had a good time doing it as well. You truly got to know the characters as people, not just as superheroes. From the exploits of slutty Fire trying to corrupt Ice’s virginal outlook on life, to Guy Gardner trying to coerce Fire and Ice into a Green Lantern sandwich, Giffen wrote a title with as much humanity as it had action. Rounding out this team of super heroes were Booster Gold and Blue Beetle serving as the Rosencrantz and Guildenstern of their age. Their comedic outlook on every situation, no matter how dire, was what kept me collecting every issue of this title until I went to college and started spending my “fuck you” money on beer, bongs and babes.
When I got back into comics after my eight years in undergrad I was crestfallen to see that these two characters were not only no longer with the Justice League, but had fallen into relative obscurity in the entire DC universe. Flash forward a few more years to see my heart cover with ice when Maxwell Lord held a gun to Blue Beetle’s head and splattered his comedic mind all over the floor of Checkmate’s headquarters.
Well all I can say is, “Thank God for time travel.”
Thanks to the incongruity of this H.G. Wells inspired plot device, my favorite comic book comedy team is back in action with the help of the first Blue Beetle, the current teeny bopper Blue Beetle and the Blue Beetle from the 27th century.
I’ll admit right now, having shunned anything “Crisis” after 52 I was at a bit of a loss when I first started reading this title. I understood Booster Gold’s motives for trying to save his life long hetero partner and why the other Blue Beetles are along for the ride, but how Booster was charged with protecting the time stream escaped me. But you know what, I don’t care. I still enjoyed this book.
I enjoyed it for every reason I loved the JUSTICE LEAGUE twenty years ago. Johns gets these characters. He gets their friendship and he gets the fact that these two would probably be bitching with biting whit in the Talkbacks if they had never been blessed with super abilities. He doesn’t try to mire the title in explaining time travel. There are no Doc Brown Flux Capacitors, no Star Trek inspired slingshots around the sun; there’s a time bubble manned by Booster and that time bubble is used to bring Ted Kord, the second Blue Beetle, back from his eternal dirt nap. There’s one point in the book where the current Blue Beetle is trying to rationalize a particularly nasty encounter they just had in the time stream with the Hal Jordan version of Parallax and Extant, which chronologically speaking was actually settled way back during Zero Hour, when the first Blue Beetle simply states, “Time travel Jaime, it’s best left alone.” Flip, carefree and utterly unforgiving in mockery and childish antics is the true heart of this title and Johns delivers on every damn page.
The art gets the Optimous Douche rating of “meh”. It’s neither stellar, nor awful. I’m going to use yet another review to harp on the importance of backgrounds. The time stream was blue. If this book is going to have legs as an ongoing title, the time stream will be just as much of a character as Booster and Beetle, so make it something more interesting than…blue. Also, everything in the 25th century aside from Gotham City’s skyline looks the same as in this century. I have to believe lockers 400 years from now will look better than the ones I was stuffed in during high school.
This book can go places; I see it being DC’s version of EXILES when that book was new (now that it’s safe to say EXILES officially sucks). These two can traverse the time stream from the Golden Age to the far distant future and reap the benefits from almost 100 years worth of storylines in their mission to set the time stream straight.


Writer: Matthew Sturges Penciller: Sean Chen Publisher: DC Comics


Writer: Matt Fraction Artist: Howard Chaykin Publisher: Marvel Comics Reviewer: Sleazy G

I don’t normally compare and contrast two issues so directly in my reviews, as I prefer to focus on the positives or negatives of an issue without muddying the waters too much. In this case, though, these two issues share such similar themes and characters it makes sense to pair them up. Unlike in the fight that is the centerpiece of SALVATION RUN, however, I think there’s a pretty clear winner in this throwdown.
First, though, why the comparison? Well, here’s the thing: both of these issues focus on has-been primate-based villains trying to step up and rehabilitate their reputations. They choose different paths to do so, with considerably different results. In the case of WAR JOURNAL the results feel inevitable, logical, and a bit depressing. In the case of SALVATION RUN the results feel unnecessary, ill-considered and annoying as hell.
I’ve read all of Matthew Sturges’ work at DC thus far, and he’s been doing a job that ranges from solid if a little dull (SHADOWPACT) to highly entertaining (JACK OF FABLES). He stepped in to take over SALVATION RUN with issue #3 when Bill Willingham had to step aside, so I don’t know how much of the story is Sturges working from Willingham’s plot and how much is original work. Since Sturges works so closely with Willingham so often, though, I suspect the events of this issue were Willingham’s idea. This is fortunate for Sturges, as it somewhat deflects the blame for my reaction, which ranges from disappointment to disgust.
Look away now, folks, if you don’t want me to ruin the outcome of this issue for ya: on the alien world of SALVATION RUN, there’s no Gorilla City, so we’re headed straight for SPOILER CITY. Spoilery spoiling ahead, so turn back now if you’re too afraid of the savage yet brilliant spoilers that inhabit this great capital of spoiler society.
The centerpiece of this issue is a battle between Gorilla Grodd on the one hand and Monsieur Mallah and the Brain on the other. And don’t get me wrong, it’s a real slobberknocker of a battle. Two big, angry gorillas beating the holy hell outta each other is good comics, and Sturges does a good job with characterization throughout the issue. But by the end of the battle, Grodd has beaten Mallah to death with Brain’s containment unit, leaving the two dead in each others’ arms. Well, Brain hasn’t got arms cuz he’s a brain, but…y’know.
And then, just five panels later, Grodd—whom Mallah shot several times point blank in the chest—is kicked off a cliff (presumably, but not definitively, to his death) by the Joker.
No. Just no. Look, This isn’t CRISIS or CIVIL WAR or anything. Ten years from now, nobody’s going to be looking back at SALVATION RUN as a seminal moment in comics history. I understand the book needs a villainous body count, but it seems to me it should probably have been some of the bland, faceless, unimportant villains nobody gives a shit about. Let’s face it—the DCU wouldn’t be any worse off if the frikkin’ Body Doubles bit it. Hell, it’d probably be an improvement. There are some others on the planet that could stand to go, too, to be honest. But Grodd is frankly too important a character in too many characters’ mythologies to go in such a dismissive and pointless manner. Maybe he’ll be back, maybe he won’t, but this was a lousy way to handle things.
Far worse in my estimation, however, is the treatment of Mallah and The Brain. We’re talking here about a couple of the most offbeat, unique, fun characters in the DCU: a talking ape who runs around like he’s in the French Foreign Legion (the inspiration for Van Damme’s “Lionheart”, I believe) and happens to be in love with a guy’s disembodied brain in a jar? That’s the kind of batshit creative fun that comics need more of, not less, and to have them punked out like this is just another waste of characters who had far more potential alive than they got the chance to exercise in a pointless death in one of a dozen miniseries tied to a three-year event. I appreciate Sturges’ desire to give them a poetic, touching exit, but frankly it occurs over too few panels to have much impact, and it was a bad decision all around. The DCU just got a little less interesting and a little less fun, and it bums me out to no end.
But on to the good: PUNISHER WAR JOURNAL. It’s a done-in-one story that pauses to follow up on recent events in the title. A while back, Frank Castle blew up a whole bar full of third-rate Marvel costumed villains just to let them know he hadn’t forgotten about them while he was busy MAX’ing it up. There was no way they could all be dead, but it did leave one wondering just what condition they were left in, and we get a look at the aftermath here. It follows The Gibbon around, and it turns out things aren’t going so well for him: his wife Princess Python is now blind and harangues him constantly, he no longer looks like a primate (and instead just looks like a meathead who got his face worked on with a pipe), and he’s attending survivors’ meetings for all the battered villains who were in the bar that day.
The Gibbon’s life sucks, and he knows it. He’s a miserable sad sack, and he sees only one way out: get a gun and go after Frank Castle for some payback. So in between meetings and replacing his wife’s dead snake without telling her, he goes through the process of secretly getting false papers so he can buy a gun legally (he’s surprised to find nobody involved questions him or cares). But something else happens: this depressed mope sees a lousy pimp who’s always beating on his girls, because the Gibbon has to pass them on the street every day, and he starts to really hate the guy. We see this poor, downtrodden failure of a man, and we see him start to care about somebody else’s problems, and we see him start to see things the way Frank Castle does. The Gibbon comes to realize some people are bastards who prey on the helpless, and he starts to work up the nerve to go all Travis Bickle on this asshole pimp.
And then The Punisher appears from out of nowhere and ices the pimp just before The Gibbon works up the nerve. Poor guy is close enough to get spattered, but didn’t get a chance to follow through. And now he finally has the shot he wanted at Castle, and he can’t take it. He actually gives the gun to the Punisher and slinks back home to give his wife her snake. This might have been the opportunity to show him feeling just a little bit better about himself, or give a wry smile of acceptance, or laugh at the coincidence of it, but no: Fraction makes the decision to have The Gibbon end up even more beaten than he was before the confrontation, a pathetic wreck with no one he can share his pain with.
This, folks, is how you take a low-level, primate-based villain and make people care about them. By the end of this issue I found myself relating to The Gibbon, a character I hadn’t thought twice about in…well, ever. Fraction built him up, gave him a little back story, and left the character far more appealing than he found him. It’s good writing, good for the characters involved, and good for the Marvel Universe. Which is why, although I have to admit SALVATION RUN #4 was well written, I feel it was ultimately misguided and inferior to PUNISHER WAR JOURNAL #16: one took the opportunity to build a character up in a way that strengthens him and the story around him, while the other took appealing, interesting characters and brought them to a sudden, pointless end that belies their potential.


Writer: Dan Abnett & Andy Laning Artists: Mahmud A. Asrar, Klebs & Wellington Alves Inkers: Juan Vlasco & Nelson Pereira Publisher: Marvel Comics Reviewer: Rock-Me Amodeo

Blue blazes! There’s one bittersweet trademark of a good comic book, and this annual fulfills it. I’ll remind you what it is at the end of the review.
I really liked NOVA when it came out the first time. John Buscema, the artist back then, brought instant credibility to any comic book, and NOVA was no different. But it was more than that – I liked the character, the concepts, the supporting cast. By the time Carmine Infantino was penciling the last few issues (an omen which never boded well—see: MS. MARVEL v1) I was wondering where things had gone wrong. I wondered…well, that’s all the past. And this is a whole new book, one that Abnett and Lanning have made their own. The only thing that made me think of it was the innocent way that we used to accept phrases like “Sweet Christmas!” “Suffering Sappho!” And, of course, “Blue Blazes!” That was then.
This book is now. And then. And sometime in the future. It managed to take Nova’s story back to his humble beginnings and add a few twists. Then it took the story to the future and added a few more twists. What seemed like a recap of the last episode of “Star Trek: Next Generation” became something much different. And the nice thing is, this issue is both a continuation of the existing story line AND a great jumping on point for any new readers.
This incarnation of NOVA has not suffered for a lack of excellent artists, and we have three good-to-excellent artists here. Mahmud Asrar handled the segments set in the past, and that first page was so old school, I almost giggled with glee. And does anyone remember this “Ginger” character? I want to see her again.
Wellington Alves took the sections set in the future. Alves knows what he’s doing, and for some sections that didn’t have much action, he still managed to convey a sense of urgency (helped along by strong writing, especially if you have followed the story the last few months).
Klebs Demoura bats cleanup, but if I hadn’t already been vested in the story, I think I would have been disappointed. It’s like bases loaded, Klebs on third, and the game is tied. Then the batter walks. Klebs scored the game-winning point, but not in dramatic fashion. Not much in the way of backgrounds, just a boy and his bad guy. It wasn’t bad, but it wasn’t compelling. Still, I’ll be interested to see how much he improves in a year or two.
The writing was excellent throughout, and paints an interesting distinction between the Nova Corps and the Lantern Corps of the Distinguished Competition. I won’t spoil it, but lets just say that I could never be a Lantern, but I might could be a Nova (no, it’s not just for geeks).
By the end of the book, I couldn’t wait to see what was going to happen next. I wondered why the origin had changed. I wondered how the heroes were going to overcome the final threat. And then I wondered how in the world (Earth? Kvch?) this was going to end.
And when we got to that end, I couldn’t believe it was already over. And THAT is the hallmark of a good book. Thirty-seven or so pages was WAY too short. Blue Blazes!
Dante “Rock-Me” Amodeo has been reading comics for thirty-five years. His first novel, “Saban and The Ancient” (an espionage/paranormal thriller) was published 2006. He began writing for AICN Comics in 2007 and his second novel (“Saban Betrayed”) is due 2008. He’s often told he has a great face for radio.


Written by Bob Haney Art by Dick Dillin and others Published by DC Reviewed by Stones Throw

“I can’t believe they’re our fathers—they’re both so young and right on--!” – Bruce Wayne, Jr., WORLD’S FINEST #215
Since Superman and Batman both have kids in their titles at the moment, DC has seen fit to reprint these mid-1970s issues of WORLD’S FINEST where the Kid of Steel and the young Dark Knight Detective team up to get away from their over-bearing dads. Of course, Superman’s son in the current continuity is actually the offspring of exiled Kryptonians General Zod and Ursa from their period of captivity in the Phantom Zone (gives a new meaning to “kneel before Zod!”, I suppose) and Batman’s sprog is from a long out-of-continuity Mike W. Barr story in which he slept with Ra’s Al Ghul’s daughter Talia, but in these issues they’re the real deal: there’s no explanation that this is set in a parallel universe or if it’s an imaginary story (well, as Alan Moore said, all comic books are imaginary stories) and Superman and Bats are both seem to be their usual ages, so we’re left to consider the possibility that Superman and Batman secretly did have kids. The fact that their wives’ faces are, like Ray Winstone’s schlong in BEOWULF, never seen, raises the disturbing yet hilarious idea that the two heroes were keeping women on the side while swinging with Lois Lane and Vicki Vale.
The basic structure these adventures take is Superman Jr. and Batman Jr. journeying around together and coming across suspicious ghost towns or crimes that need solving. The hilarious thing about this is that it’s all set against a mid-70s DC Comics idea of youth culture, which wasn’t quite as progressive as the dope-smoking Marvel of the day. The Super Sons are rebelling against their dads because of “the generation gap” (like, “But the generation gap’s still there! You weren’t straight with us! We’re off to find some laughs! See ya, super-dads!”, or, “Man, I’m down with the same old problem…generation gap, super-style!”). However, I have to credit the book with a somewhat realistic depiction of teenagers. For example, in the first story in this collection, the Super Sons are annoyed that their dads won’t let them do any costumed crime fighting, so as a test run Superman dives into the ocean and shakes the San Andreas fault, using the ripple effect to create a temporary, duplicate Sparta City so the kids can have a go at taking down its main mobster Rocco Krugge. Naturally, the kids fuck up and are captured by Krugge’s men. Okay, when I said “somewhat” realistic, I meant “not at all”.
Some continuity gaffes were spotted: in the first story, Batman Jr. tells us that he only recently found out there was more to his dad than Bruce Wayne the shallow playboy, but later on in flashbacks we see Bruce returning home in costume when Bruce Jr. is a little kid. Either Li’l Batman thinks his pop has some weird sexual preferences or something’s kind of screwy. Actually, something’s kind of screwy both ways. I also dug Batman telling his son that to take down criminals “you must have evidence! You can’t play vigilante!”
The dynamic is one that works, though. Hipster “Bruce the lover” Batman Jr. and the slightly less headstrong Clark Kent Jr. contrasted with their reserved, conservative dads. There was one story I particularly liked where the four of them go to the new age therapy retreat ENOYREVE in order to sort out their relationship and are subjected to modern counseling methods like primal scream therapy. Clark Kent Sr. is hesitant to cut loose, and when encouraged to, sends a tree flying. Then, the image of Bruce and Clark being forced to dance with their swingin’ sons (“some of the world’s most masculine men dance together in joy and comradeship! DANCE!”) is just too funny. Naturally, an escaped android, BIO-X7, also happens to be staying at the retreat and fathers and sons are forced to put their differences behind them to bring him in.
It should be said that as stupid as some of these stories are, the stupidest one collected here is from 1980 and written by Denny O’Neill, which cleared up continuity by revealing that the Super Sons were computer simulations in the Fortress of Solitude. Dig the final panel of Superman and Batman sharing a tear after their sons are forced to return to the computer program because they were altering the nature of reality. Yet Bob Haney brought the Super Sons back in 1999’s ELSEWORLDS 80-PAGE GIANT, which had some great art from Kieron Dwyer and dealt with Superman Jr. having to step into his father’s shoes after the apparent death of Superman. I don’t want to venture too far into SPOILER territory, but his last words were “another few million miles and these atomic and hydrogen missiles will be detonated harmlessly…”


Writers: Golden Press Staff Artists: Nevio Zaccara, Alberto Giolitti Publisher: Checker Book Publishing Group Reviewer: Prof. Challenger

“Howling Comets! We’ve run smack into a huge electronic field that shields the entire planet! It’s…trapped us, Mr. Spock!” - Capt. James Kirk
This is quite the entertaining oddity. Remember the days when Kirk would exclaim things like “Suffering Hannah!” and “Gr-great Novas!” Remember when Scotty was blonde? Remember when the uniform colors were only green and blue? Remember when the nacelles of the Enterprise would blast fire as the spaceship cruised inside atmosphere of strange planets?
What? You say you don’t remember those things? Then it’s time for you to pick up STAR TREK: THE KEY COLLECTION from Checker Books. I’ve talked about Checker here before because they serve a nice role as the reprint home for the forgotten classics and oddities of comics history. For an example of more recent offerings, they are currently reprinting a number of series from the blip in history known as CrossGen and the ALIEN LEGION series from Marvel’s Epic line. This STAR TREK volume is part of an ongoing series devoted to reprinting the entire Gold Key Comics run of STAR TREK which was the Trekkie’s only comic outlet for Trek during the years between the original series and the movie.
It should come as no surprise to anyone that these 8 stories, published between 1967 and 1969, are full of continuity and characterization errors – especially if you have long buried memories of reading and re-reading these things during your childhood. What may come as a surprise is that if you disregard those continuity snafus, these turn out to be fairly solid old-school sci-fi adventures with some decent, and sometimes really excellent, artwork. Although, other than when the artists were tracing publicity photos of the lead actors, only Dr. McCoy and Mr. Spock are the only characters who actually resemble themselves.
The package that Checker has put together is a nice design liberally padded out with photos of the cast and, thankfully, the covers for each issue (along with the date). Now I know what the cover looked like on issue 8 that I owned coverless for most of my childhood. I definitely recommend it for those who enjoy these bizarre gems from the history of comics. And hey! With IDW going strong with their new STAR TREK stuff and the new movie coming up next year (bumped from Dec. dammit!), then this collection is the perfect compliment to those for the Trek comic fan. My only complaint is that I think it’s a bit pricey at $22.95. A reprint collection like this should run more in the $12.95-$15.95 range to better attract the impulse buyer.
Prof. Challenger is illustrator and "Renaissance Man" Keith Howell who is married with two kids, a dog and a cat. Headquartered in the Republic of Texas, he has a glorious ability to annoy people, the strength of ten men, and sometimes updates his website at


Publisher: Graphic Classics Reviewer: Squashua

As most of you know by now, I'm a huge proponent of giving comic books away to kids, but most of the books on Free Comic Book Day (FCBD) are either too short or the simplest of advertisements with minimal content, so it surprises me when a book bucks the trend, which is precisely what the FCBD edition of Graphic Classics has done.
Graphic Classics normally delivers trade paperbacks of their content; there are no single issues, so for them to jump into the Free Comic Book Day scene is surprising to say the least. What's even more surprising is that the book is 62 pages of content. 62 pages of FREE content. That's almost ridiculous, but considering they're republishing classic tales in comic book form, it's not like they had to write or color any of the content (it's black and white like all the rest of their trades).
So how does 62 pages pan out? Very well in fact, and I'll hit each story as we go.
The Black Cat Author: Edgar Allen Poe Adapted by: Rod Lott Artist: Gerry Alanguilan I've never read this one before, but I guess Poe really likes to re-use the "murder a person and hide the body" concept. The artist is quite heavy with his cross-hatching, keeping the world quite dark for this horror story, and unlike some of the prior classics, words are removed from some sections allowing the imagery to tell the short tale.
Diagnosis Author: Ambrose Bierce Artist: Mark Dancey A single-page, 9-panel fable, “Diagnosis” relates an encounter between a monkey and an oyster. It's short, sweet and cleanly drawn.
John Barrington Cowles Author: Arthur Conan Doyle Adapted by: Alex Burrows Artist: Simon Gane “John Barrington Cowles” surprised the heck out of me, turning the story of a love affair into a tale of a vicious woman infected with an insidious and influential evil. This powerful tale of mystic terror entertained me the most. Though somewhat cartoonish, the art style evokes both the sinister and sensual emotions inherent here, additionally handling the Victorian setting with appropriate care. This story straddles the edge of appropriateness when considering FCBD should be focused towards younger readers, but there's nothing here that would create any actual controversy. My favorite story of the volume.
The Dream Author: Mary Shelley Adapted by: Antonella Caputo Artist: Anne Timmons A romance story in the vein of the gothic scribed by Jane Austen, “The Dream” relates a tale of forbidden love set during the reign of Henry IV of France. It's sappy and straightforward, but its appearance here helps to stress the different offerings by the publisher, so the inclusion is understandable. The art is quite detailed, but everyone has bright circular happy eyes that lead to vapid expressions. This story would appeal to the woman in you.
A Narrow Escape Author: Lord Dunsany Adapted by / Artist: Milton Knight An extremely short story of a wizard who wants to bring damnation down upon his already damned city. Knight brings a very silly art style to accompany and compliment this simultaneously serious and humorous stale.
Summary: In all, this book is an excellent example of the variety that Graphic Classics has to offer, and since it's available for free, I highly recommend you don't pass it up, but let the kids have first crack at the stack for Free Comic Book Day.


This book took me completely by surprise. It is a highly nuanced and intricately layered story about how an awkward boy named Kevin J. Phenicle JR. became the conman/computer hacker/phone phreak extraordinaire dubbed Boingthump. Basically, this is an origin story of a villain. Or maybe it's the origin of a hero. It all depends on who you see as the enemy. Set in the real world, WIZZYWIG follows Kevin as a child; taunted by bullies, babied by his grandmother, and shunned by all levels of society. Kevin proves to be an observant child and this book follows his development as he learns the ins and outs of things we take for granted and turns it into a criminal empire...or a revelation of how flawed our soc
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  • Feb. 20, 2008, 8:07 a.m. CST

    i like turtles

    by Sailor Rip

    Did the new X-Force start yet?

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 8:15 a.m. CST

    Suggestion for Comic Reviews

    by BilboRing

    Instead of being a full week late, why not post reviews on the Friday after new comics come out? Not a big deal but a suggestion. Or can the reviewers get early copies to post the same week?

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Comic Books???

    by God's Brother

    I forgot all about those. They still get published every once in awhile?

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 8:20 a.m. CST

    Sailor Rip X- Force

    by optimous_douche

    X-Force #1 did come out last week. My shop got shorted. I was going to tackle that one instead of BG 0, but I won't be getting it in my hot little hands until today.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 8:23 a.m. CST


    by Sailor Rip

    I didn't hit the shop last week.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Eww.....that Fantatic Four cover...

    by Billy Batts

    is a horrible, horrible cover. How awkwardly posed. Damn you, Hitch.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Review Length

    by krylyyk

    Is it bothering anyone else that every week the length of each review gets longer and longer, and becomes more about the reviewer trying to be funny because they think they are, and less about the comic? Come on! It takes me less time to just read the freakin' comic than to read your reviews of it.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 9:18 a.m. CST


    by messi

    It's also the best Star Wars Story since Empire Strikes Back. The most epic blockbuster i've ever read in comics. It has everything, Drama, tension, heroism, iconic framing, the cool turn of the superhero(ie things look dim and then ION is revealed) etc, then a cool revelation that brings the whole myth full circle and a fucking brutal teaser for THE BLACKEST NIGHT!

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 9:21 a.m. CST

    OF COURSE YOU'D BE LOST! You need to read from Rebirth

    by messi

    Maybe that's why I fucking loved it so much. You need to know everything from Rebirth. Johns set the whole fucking thing up. And sorry guys but the Sodam yat argument is weak since they introduced him and his whole point of existance(ultimate Green Lantern) two GL corps Issues before. You are basically reviewing The Empire Strikes back without having watched Star Wars.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 9:24 a.m. CST

    hey...that means that storm...

    by munkie loco

    is a skrull!

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 9:25 a.m. CST

    @ krylyyk

    by brassai2003

    I AGREEEEEE! Ilove reading the @$$h@les, but this "I remember when i bought my first blah...blah...blah..' stuff has got to GO. I mean that S War review was horrible. there was no meat until over half way through! Bug, please, reign these people in.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 9:28 a.m. CST

    To see Sinestro Corps War for the masterpiece it is

    by messi

    Read from Rebirth. I cna't imagien starting from Sinstero corps one shot. I mean Ranx was in the GL corps issues before sinestro corps and his involvement is 'holy shit' when you get to reading it. Kyle's background in the Ion maxi series plays more in Sinestro Corps War. Half the characters you get through GL Corps ie Greenman and Stel man which is what makes them so fascinating. It really feels like the Blockbuster movie, as if this is The Two Towers and you are seeing these characters you know in a bigger adventure and Johns' GL and Gibbons' GL Corps and Marz' Ion Issues were the movie before hand.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Green Lantern Corpse is silly?

    by messi

    That was badass. A Black ops division of the Green Lantern Corps and they had Lethal force beforehand.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 9:37 a.m. CST

    "I remember when we used to go to the comic shop on horseback...

    by rock-me Amodeo the snow...uphill...<br><br>I'm probably the worst offender of reflecting on the past before proceeding through the present. It's hard not to bring some context to whatever I'm reading, though, because that really is what's running through my head. But speaking only for myself, maybe I can reign in.<br><br>A comic should really be judged on its own merits, irrespective of the good or bad that preceded it. And yet, context is so important. A fine line, to be sure.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 9:38 a.m. CST


    by Shigeru

    don't just buy the first Sinestro Corps War trade? What do I have to read beforehand? I'm so confused.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 9:39 a.m. CST

    The Lantern Black Ops WAS awesome...

    by rock-me Amodeo

    ...and an idea that was overdue. I just thought the NAME was silly. I mean, you have an intergalactic force that has speakers of 10 bazillion different languages, and the name of the most serious bunch of operatives is based on a weak pun in English?<br><br>As a linguist, I found it a bit forced.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 9:41 a.m. CST


    by Billy Batts

    If you've read any GL books before you should be fine just picking up Sinestro Corps. But it would definitely ENHANCE the experience if you read REBIRTH first. It's by Johns and Van Sciver and I believe the trade has an Alex Ross cover.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 9:42 a.m. CST


    by Billy Batts

    I was wrong. It's a Van Sciver cover.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 9:48 a.m. CST


    by messi

    Green Lantern: Rebirth<br> Green Lantern: Recharge<br> Green Lantern ongoing - (at least from the 1 year later issue)<br> Green Lantern Corps(whole thing sets it up)<br> Ion: Guardian of the Universe<p> And once you're broke, you can marvel at one of the greatest stories ever written(yes that's right, ever).

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 9:50 a.m. CST

    rock-me Amodeo

    by messi

    Could be a nickname dude. See in Smallville Tv Show Brainiac is known as Brainiac colloquially when he is actually called the Brain Interactive Construct? Boom Tubes are reffered by that name by the young New Gods. etc. most likely a play on words on Green Lantern Corps because they are like ghosts and badass and deadly.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 9:51 a.m. CST

    The most important in setting up Sinestro Corps War

    by messi

    is the entire Green Lantern Corps by Dave Gibbons. Then Green Lantern by Geoff Johns(that has things that are mentioned that relate to events after SCW).

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 9:53 a.m. CST


    by RenoNevada2000

    I did not know you were the man behind the single greatest workplace time waster EVER! Love that site!

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Green Lanterns...

    by Kid Z

    ...Black Lanterns, Blue Lanterns, Red Lanterns... What's next? Pink Lanterns? They get their power from a huge boombox on Oa that constantly plays old Frankie Goes To Hollwood songs?

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Kid Z the concept is awesome

    by messi

    it fucking rules. The emotional spectrum is a brillaint idea, and that double page spread means a Corps War would look amazing.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 10:36 a.m. CST

    GL titles are on a role...

    by irrelevntelefant

    maybe Quesada will jump ship to DC, have Doomsday wipe all of the GL's memories and they can condense it all down to one title...

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Walking Dead was fucked up

    by cromulent

    and awesome. Can't wait for the next issue.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 10:55 a.m. CST

    The Emotional spectrum....

    by Psynapse

    ...corresponds to the ultraviolet (ROY G BIV anyone?) and is FUCKING BRILLIANT in it's explanation and execution. Haters can suck it. <p>PS-Shig, get the Rebirth trade (it RULES, just DON'T read the intro by Meltzer the fanboy tool spoils key story beats) and then dive in to the Sinestro Corps War Trades. Anything else is a waste of money because everything prior to the start of the war can be explained at Wikipedia and other online sources.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 11 a.m. CST


    by Shigeru

    If it was just you that replied to me I would have skipped the whole fucking thing. I'm not giving that much $$ to DC.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 11:01 a.m. CST


    by Shigeru

    Thanks dude. Is it just the 1 Rebirth trade?

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 11:02 a.m. CST

    the Gov in walking dead FN RULES!

    by irrelevntelefant

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 11:07 a.m. CST

    re: GL stuff to read before SINESTRO WAR

    by barking_frog

    Since I wrote the review, I've read REBIRTH and Johns's GL monthly, and yeah -- by the time I got all the way through SINESTRO WAR there wasn't anything in REBIRTH that I hadn't "reverse engineered," but I'm sure the beginning of SINESTRO WAR would've been less confusing if I'd read REBIRTH prior.<br /><br /> It's also interesting to hear that GREEN LANTERN CORPS does a lot of setup for SINESTRO WAR -- I've picked up the CORPS issues along with ION and RECHARGE, and will take a look at them when I can (got distracted by Alex Ross's JUSTICE, review for that next week).<br /><br /> One other GL book I picked up that I found interesting but nobody's mentioned yet is the story Moore did in GL CORPS ANNUAL #2 back in '86 -- it's the source of much of the material Johns developed for SINESTRO WAR, and while certainly not essential reading, it's a nice little Moore story that does give you some idea of where Johns's work came from.<br /><br /> Shigeru: You have to read the first SINESTRO WAR trade or you'll be even more confused. ;-) But to get the necessary background for the first trade, I'd recommend reading the titles messi listed. Assuming you're wealthy and have incredible amounts of slack time, of course.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Kid Z - relax!

    by rock-me Amodeo

    Don't do it...when you want to...<br><br>couldn't resist. Actually, they play old Yaz and Bronski Beat.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 11:09 a.m. CST

    GL fan film appearance

    by irrelevntelefant

    short film on youtube and ifilm <P> 'Losing Lois Lane'<P> kind of a JLA meets Swingers.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Sure is Shig!

    by Psynapse

    And it is SO worth the coins. Van Sciver's art alone is worth it. That Johns effectively and intelligently completely restores Hal Jordan's 'hero' status doesn't suck either.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Yo Rock-me!

    by Psynapse

    See, I always thought the Guardians were more Clan of Xymoxx/Shriekback's 'Nemesis' than Yaz and Bronski. Oh wait, they WERE all dudes before Rayner reincarnated them weren't they? Hmm....

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 11:32 a.m. CST

    No one nove a myscle as the dead come home...

    by rock-me Amodeo

    Yeah, I can see that. Ah, Shriekback...there's a classic. Of course, nothing beats "Upstairs at Eric's" for sheer danceable-ness...

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 11:32 a.m. CST

    MOVE a muscle...crap.

    by rock-me Amodeo

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Fantastic Four

    by Mr Incredible

    I'm sure it will probably be a good read and nice to look at, but going back and forth to the comic shop to get it for a year's run? I'll wait for the trade paperback. Agony, yes, but worth the wait to read it all at once.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 11:43 a.m. CST

    "Maybe he’ll be back, maybe he won’t"

    by danwall88

    Are you kidding me? Of COURSE Grodd will be back. So will Mallah. So will the Brain. "Forget it Jake, it's comics." It was still an AWESOME gorilla fight, and Salvation Run is one of the most underrated comics so far this year.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Bullshit complaints against Salvation Run

    by Sledge Hammer

    ...Now first up I don't think this is a great story, it's been passable enough so far, but it's hardly anything staggering, and nor do I think it'll be all that memorable long term. But even so, complaining about the killing of good characters and suggesting that only faceless/nameless/lame z-grade characters should be killed off is utter bullshit, and is exactly the kind of 'safe' storytelling that derails these kinds of books/stories in the first place. If this book is doing one thing right it's in not playing it safe. I mean if only characters that no one gives a shit about die then where's the unpredictability? Where's the danger? The surprise? Where's the drama in that? This is supposed to be a world of death, just killing off the chaff would be a far more bullshit move than killing off a few more notable characters is. I'm a fan of a few of the name characters that have gone down so far, and yeah, I don't like to see them die, because that's a natural response to characters that I enjoy, but I appreciate the balls in doing so, even if it'll be almost undoubtably retconned or reversed in some way at some point down the line. I guess in this world of comic book paint by numbers storytelling I just like stories with consequences, rather than ones that just extend the status quo, and sometimes that means deaths. My thoughts anyway<p>Oh, and everyone should read Sinestro Corps War. And every DC fan *definitely* should.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 12:05 p.m. CST

    The rainbow/emotional spectrum does indeed rock...

    by Thalya

    Though frankly I'm surprised a Sinestro ring even hesitated in front of Flutter, my Papilloxian/Coluan alter ego who represents Yellow and serves Urania, Muse of Astronomy and Astrology. I mean, she gets a bit scary with her eyes and fizzy-flutts/quasi-molts her wings when angry, but you'd never think she'd do that, what with the cuteness and absent-mindedness (though you'd never expect her to be a pilot with a strong grounding in astrophysics either..). <BR><BR>Have I mentioned how fun it is to exist as 7 or 8 radically different people all at once?

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Anything "Titans" is like crack to my 4yr old daughter

    by OneManHairBand ATX

    ...except for the actual Wolfman / Perez source comics. First - she started watching JL (from my DVD collection), then got hooked on the Supergirl acrs from JLU. But when she saw that first episode of TEEN TITANS, it was all over. I've had to "ration out" how often she watches it because the series is over (and I won't let her watch the Season 4 / Trigon stuff yet - too scary for her). I've been scrambling around STL trying to find as much of the comic version I can. So, I brought "Tiny Titans" home to her. At first, she couldn't recognize a few of the current DCU inserted players (Ms. Martian, and the current Wonder Girl), but she still made me read it to her three times before bed. I think this was a good move on DC's part - but I'd still like to see them keep TTG as an ongoing title.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 12:12 p.m. CST


    by Thalya

    Salvation Run is well-written but not meaty enough to merit its "underrated" assessment. It's a 7-issue mini being written like an ongoing and what everyone tends to want is more Rogues, darnit!<BR><BR>Bug, consider me checking out Wizzywig because of your review - it sounds good.<BR><BR>The GL Corpse arc rocked my socks (see R'Amey Hol, kickass Papilloxian butterfly babe and especially the art and coloring).<BR><BR>And might I add, yet again, Prof rocks!

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 12:14 p.m. CST


    by Thalya

    Grodd's back. Check out the May solicits for The Flash, released yesterday.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 12:40 p.m. CST

    How about Beige Lanterns...

    by Kid Z

    ... powered by the force of indifference. They just sit around on couches all day smoking weed and watching reruns of McGuyver. "He just blew up that cell door with a cold pill." "Cool."

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Green Lantern #25 is the GOAT!!!

    by expert_40

    Seriously, thanks Barking Frog for giving the Sinestro Corps a once over. You should have, in retrospect, read Green Lantern: Rebirth, at the very least to get a feel for the characters and the setting.<br><br>SPOLIER ALERT!!!<br><br>I use no hyperbole here. Green Lantern #25 and the upcoming Red Lanterns of Rage, Blue Lanterns of Hope, Orange Lanterns of Avarice (greed), Indigo Lanterns of Peace, Violet Lanterns of Love, and most importantly, Black Lanterns of Death along with the standbys of Green Lanterns of Will and Yellow Lanterns (Sinestro Corps) of Fear are going to change the course of DC and GL history as we know.<br><br>I love using the colors of the spectrum to go along emotions and feelings. What's best and worst in all sapient beings.<br><br>I love how that, corresponding with the ROYGBIV color standard of the spectrum, that the colored powers at the end of the spectrum actually control their users more that the users control them. Which is why the Violet Star Sapphire Power has always taken control of their hosts. So now, Violet and Red (rage) are going to control their users, while Green is the power that's hardest to use, Will Power, it's the power that is easiest to control by it's willful user. Next would be Yellow (Fear) and Blue (Hope). Then, starting to get into the area where the Ring Powers exert more control is Orange (Avarice (greed)) and Indigo (Peace). I love how, in the context of the story and characters, it makes PERFECT sense.<br><br>And the thing is, I can already tell where this is going. All of the new, individual Lantern Corps, Green, Yellow (Sinestro), Blue, Red, Violet, Indigo, and Orange will have to band together, and use their combined Power from their Power Rings (or staffs, in the case of Indigo), to create the Pure White Lantern Light to combat the Black Lanterns of Death. It only makes sense, right? Then only thing that can combat the darkness is light, right? The only color that can destroy black is white. The Seven Lanterns (the seven colors of the spectrum) have to combine all they are to create either one White Light Lantern, or groups of seven Lanterns will have to go around, eradicating the Black Lanterns of the Dead.<br><br>It just makes too much sense NOT to happen this way people.<br><br>Also, who here thinks Kyle Rayner becomes, if not the first Blue Lantern, but the Champion of the Blue Lanterns, much the same way as Guy Gardner is being set up as the Champion of the Green Lanterns (In Booster Gold #2 he is called the Greatest of all Green Lanterns... NOT Hal Jordan). Maybe it is Guy Gardner who transcends color and becomes the White Light Lantern? Who knows, but I really do think that they should make Kyle a Blue Lantern. It too makes sense.<br><br>Think about it, while Kyle has a lot of Will, he has always been a bright beacon of Hope. Plus, he's Ganthet's boy, right?<br><br>So, Kyle Rayner for Blue Lantern! Who's with me? Also, what Lantern would y'all be? Me, I think I'd be a good Blue Lantern. I think Harry would be the Orange Lantern for sure.<br><br>Man, 2008 is going to be freaking awesome for the Lantern Books!

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Hey Jinxo

    by evolution1085

    Your description of the New Avengers kind of works for Barton and Echo, so Im just curious to see which one you think is more likely to be the skrull? or is it someone completely different

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Jinxo, I think Storm is a Skrull.

    by nemler

    "Only one thing bugged me. Just such a nitpicker. At one point Storm and company are sneaking through the sewers. A character asks her if she’s okay, if the sewers bother her. She isn’t bothered. Only…she should be. Unless I missed a story where she was cured, Storm’s Achilles heel is that she is, in fact, claustrophobic. If they had just left that question out of I wouldn’t have even thought about it, either. - Jinxo" This scenerio could be a clue that Storm is a Skrull. Why a Skrull wouldn't know that Storm is a claustrophobe, though, I don't know...but maybe they don't know that about her. Or maybe Storm is Storm and it is just shoddy writing.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Fuck Marvel and DC with all the ads!

    by Zardoz

    I got Millar and Hitch's FF book, and while the story was good, I was so pissed at the layout of the book: pages 3 and 5? Ads. Too many of them. As soon as this run is done, since I've started it, I'm finished with the monthlies from Marvel and DC. The ads have killed the comics for me. Well, except for companies like Image: no fucking ads at all! If I'm paying a premium price, I expect a premium book. and I don't want ads in my comics anymore, especially not in the first 3 pages! NO MORE ADS!

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Yes, Storm is a Skrull

    by nemler

    Now that I think about it, Storm is indeed a Skrull. And probably a dude-Skrull...which means Black Panther has been married to a dude all this time!

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 2 p.m. CST


    by messi

    Issue 10 or 11 of GL Corps basically reprints it, they go through it when the Guardians tell the prophecy to Salaak. See it comes again in Sinestro Corps War when Salaak is trying hardcore to protect Sodam Yat.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 2:03 p.m. CST


    by messi

    Unfortunately all of that is setup for Sinestro Corps War. And GL Corps sets it up far more than Rebirth. Nearly every arc in GL Corps is revisited in Sinestro Corps War. Plus you may not want to give that much money to DC but I didn't just recommend it because it sets up Sinestro Corps War, but because it's fucking excellent. GL and GL Corps are two of the best books of the decade.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Also, when the fuck is the Donner/Johns Superman concluding?

    by Zardoz

    Fucking bullshit delays!

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 2:33 p.m. CST

    yeah well

    by Shigeru


  • Feb. 20, 2008, 2:42 p.m. CST


    by Billy Batts

    No 'Blue Lantern' Kyle! Kyle was the only Lantern when I started reading comics, so he'll always have a special place in my nerdy heart. They should just stop messing with his costume/title for a while and just let him be a Green Lantern again.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Optimus Douche battles Smegmatron

    by Squashua

    The noble Autotwats vs. the evil Deceptcunts for the fate of Planet Gynotron. <br><br> Optimus, you don't have to have "read" and "Crisis" issues after 52 to "get" Booster Gold. His story continues straight from the final issue of 52 into the Booster Gold issues. No reading of Countdown necessary either.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Kyle should be leader of the Green Lanterns

    by messi

    The dude is basically Luke Skywalker. He trained himself, joined the JLA at a young age, Bats and the Endless said he would surpass Hal Jordan, he brought back the corps and and the Guardians and he's relegated to honor guard, below kilowog and salaak? Man Johns really doesn't like this guy.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 3 p.m. CST

    Maybe Storm's just used to sewers.

    by rev_skarekroe

    She led the Morlocks for awhile.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 3:06 p.m. CST

    "Last Son" on April 9th...

    by Zardoz

    I answered my own question. Man, WTF is wrong with this title? What's it been now, over a year since it was started? Cheese and rice!

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Kyle WON'T be a Blue Lantern......

    by Psynapse

    Ganthet and Sayd do not want to interfere with the GLC, rather they intend their Corps. to support the GLC when the War of Light and The Blackest Night come about.<p> Though I'm sure quite a few of my posts might make me seem a perfect Red Lantern I'd actually be a Blue one. Ask any of the Cogs....

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 4:07 p.m. CST


    by Jinxo

    Storm as a skrull... I actually like that. I like the additional irony of a Skrull Storm so far undercover that she is pretending to be Storm WHILE FIGHTING SKRULLS! That's crazy cool.<br><br> Actually I thought I was too obvious in my skrull finger pointing in the New Avengers but... I guess I wasn't. My top choice was Jessica and her baby. I mean, we already had that weird skrully eye shot of the baby a few months back.<br><br> Here's my thinking. The Civil War is key here. Great for the Skrulls. They can get a list of who is who so they can properly researcg folks to replace. If they can get in a power position they can even pull folks in for meetings and make substitutions. And most everybody is registered. Non-reg folks are mainly going to be solo acts, not groups. The big exception would be The New Avengers. Wouldn't hurt to have someone on the inside there. Only that's harder to pull off. They're in hiding. Likely less background info to research. And some of them would be hard to easily fake. Doctor Strange and Iron Fist have the mystic mojo. Wolverine you could fake but if anyone chose to test him the ruse could fall apart. You'd have to fake a metal skeleton, a healing power that could revive the most grievous of injuries... you want to replace someone who could stand up under scrutiny if needed. I'm not sure Power Man would even be on their radar. Clint is possible but... he'd seem not too subtle. The guy returned from the dead. Risky choice. Echo... maybe.<br><br> But back to Jessica. Again, they already tipped things with the baby. Then this issue points out that she left for Canada for an extended period. So there is a spot in her timeline where she is unaccounted for. She's also a subtle plant. Who is going to think the spy is the retired "mom" hero and her baby? And who would want to make Iron Fist angry by suggesting such a thing? And you can slip her into their hidden group without much fuss. They might not know a ton about her but she's someone who can work herself in slowly. Most of the group likely won't know if she is acting "off". Luke Cage might but who wants to willingly suspect the mother of his child of being a fraud? And not knowing about the Skrulls any off behavir could be chalked up to post pregnancy issues coupled with being on the run from the law.<br><br> But then "Jessica" has the bad luck of arriving at just about the same time that the Skrull plot is uncovered and everyone is hyper alert for signs that people aren't who they appear to be. Crap. And then Spider-Woman bails to The Mighty Avengers. What is she telling them about the invasion? If she stay put and she risks being exposure unnecessarily. Not like she's in a power position in the group anyway. More likely she's there as a mole for info. Well, she's got her intel. An opportunity arises to get out before people can see through her act and she takes it. Going to The Mighty Avengers she is no longer inside the group but she doesn't need to be now. She's now with the group keeping the closest eye on The New Avengers. Given who she "is" Luke Cage will constantly be showing up to see his kids making them easy to keep tabs on. And by leaving Luke she has thrown the leader of their group waaay off his game. On the run from the law, in emotional turmoil, comprised mostly of heroes not seen as A-listers... the Skrulls would feel they have the upper hand. Yes, they know of the invasion but that's more reason to nix infiltration and move on to monitoring and using the Initiative to destroy them outright.<br><br> Jessica's behavior capped it for me. She was back to the old Jessica. More emotionally damaged and such. People do revert to form sometimes but... I don't buy it. Jessica really had some growth in Alias that I don't see going away so easily. And when she craps all over Luke... the words were right on but through the whole issue facially she was drawn as just so unemotional and dispassionate about doing it. Again, same artist who drew her in Alias. That's not the Jessica from Alias. Her pain and damage would seep out in her every expression in that book. That Jessica might very well crush Luke Cage for her baby's sake or maybe because she was wrestling with some other perosnal demons. But when she did it, it would eat her up inside. Before or after, at some point you'd see her pain and regret. That's not there in this issue. She's a stone faced emotional assasin.<br><br> Okay, that was more rambling than I hoped for but oh well.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 4:08 p.m. CST


    by Jinxo

    Ha! Always freaks me out that people actually know my site. Glad to waste your time. :D

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 4:17 p.m. CST


    by Jinxo

    Almost forgot! A good reason for Jessica to be a Skrull from a dramtic angle. So Spider-Woman moves off to Mighty Avengers with the Skrull intel. "Jessica Jones" moves to The Mighty Avengers too. A good reason would be that she is following that info leak to keep tabs on it. But dramatically it adds another element. Bendis wanted to write Spider-Woman - Jessica Drew - and was denied and so created Jessica Jones instead. This plot is a way for him to take both his Jessica's and put them in direct conflict with each other: the Jessica he always wanted to write versus the "substitute" Jessica he created. Okay, with Jessica Jones being a Skrull imposter she's actually a substitute substitute but dramatically it still works. A face off between the good and bad versions of his leading ladies.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 4:25 p.m. CST

    I'm Also A Recently Converted Marvel Zombie, barking frog

    by LaserPants

    And one of the primary factors in that conversion is the GL mythos. I jumped on board with SINESTRO CORPS WAR, and actually found the background stuff that I didn't know fascinating to find out. Of those books, I found the SUPERMAN PRIME and CYBORG SUPERMAN one shots to be the most freaked out and cool. Both of them are horrifying characters. SPrime cause he's a spastic murdering freak bastard from hell, CYBORG SUPES cause he's such a tragic figure -- stuck in this melting hell body pretty much forever since his minions won't let him die. But anyways, I totally fell in love with the whole GL thing, and that led me to check out some of the other DC books like LoSH, Action Comics, Detective Comics, Supergirl, Catwoman, Kingdom Come and so on and so forth. Now that I'm kneedeep in DCU lore, I can't believe how much I've missed! Not that I don't still like a bunch of MARVEL books, but more and more I find myself gravitating to the DCU. I guess I'd put myself in the middle -- I like both companies books, but for now I'm more intrigued with DC.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Thanks Squashua

    by optimous_douche

    I'm a classic victim of collecting too many titles. The brain can only retain so many crossovers. Right on about the end of 52. Next time I'll traverse the long boxes before I quote cannon.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 4:49 p.m. CST

    I still like the idea if Kyle as a Blue Lantern...

    by expert_40

    ... I mean, it's not like they'd be any less powerful. Like I said, he has the Will to wield the Green Power Ring, but he's always seemed like a character that has been about HOPE.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Yaz/Xymox/Bronski Beat/Shriekback

    by SleazyG.

    I seem to have traveled back to high school. Oh, sweet mother--where's Rip Hunter when you need him?!? Run away, turn away, run away, turn away, run away... ...damn, Chicago's cold. How winter kills...

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 5:08 p.m. CST

    You mean the Punisher Doesn't Blow the Gibbon's Brains Out?

    by C.K. Lamoo

    Damn, old Frank is going soft on us.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Great Question: Who would be the different colored Lanterns in t

    by expert_40

    Remember when the Yellow Power Ring (Fear) sought out Batman to be the Earth's wielder of Fear because of the, well, fear he delighted to cause in the criminal element (and even towards some in the superhero element)? What other DCU figures do you think would do well as the "other" Lanterns? Here's my rundown:<br><br>Orange Lantern (Avarice (greed)): Okay, for me, this is the biggest no brainer. It HAS to be Lex Luther. There is no other character that would make more sense to wield the Orange Power Ring of Avarice (greed). The only other wielder that would make ANY sense would be Ra's Al Ghul. Next.<br><br>Blue Lantern (Hope): I've already said I think Kyle should wield the Blue Power Ring of Hope, but if forced to choose another character, I think I'll have to go with Barbara Gordon. Yes, Oracle. Bound to a wheel chair, the Ring would let her walk again and I think it would be a good fit for someone used to the hero-ing business.<br><br>Red Lantern of Rage: Now, this is a little more difficult. I would actually go with Orion, the New God and son of Darkseid. He's always had rage issues, and this would set him off. Plus, the Red Power Ring of Rage actually controls it's user more than the user controls it, so I think this would be interesting. Also, and this is who I think will be the Red Lantern Champion: Fatality. Makes too much sense. She hates the Green Lantern Corps and is filled with rage.<br><br>Yellow Lantern of Fear: Well, anyone in the Bat-family would do. But how about a Bat villain? I say the Joker, because he's not dead, would be a perfect fit. Think of all the crazy shit Nero came up with, now think about the Joker wielding one of the most powerful weapons in the Universe. Holy... Fuck.<br><br>Indigo Lantern of Peace: Well, I say you couldn't go wrong with the Wonder family, but isn't it time they resurrect Dove and slip an Indigo Power Staff into his grip and let him promote peace throughout the Universe?<br><br>Violet Lantern of Love: Formally known as the Star Sapphire Power, I would stick with either Carol Ferris or Cowgirl. Actually, scratch that. I would give Lois Lane the Violet Power Ring of Love. Let he screw up Superman's world some. Would be fun!<br><br>Green Lantern of Will: position(s) ably filled.<br><br>Black Lantern of Death: Well, we already know Black Hand is going to be the Harbinger of Blackest Night and most likely going to wield a Black Power Ring of Death, but given another choice, I may go with Solomon Grundy. Maybe the Black Power Ring of Death would make him smarter? Who knows<br><br>Okay, y'all's turn!

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 5:18 p.m. CST

    No Prerequisites For Comic Reading...

    by Buzz Maverik

    ...other than, conceding to modern publishing, I wouldn't recommend stepping into a series, or perish forbid, an "arc" or maybe even a "run" midstream (makes it crawl back up).<p>But you shouldn't have to read GREEN LANTERN: THE FIGHTER PILOT WHO REFUSED TO FIGHT or SINESTRO VS. MR. SINISTER or SIMON BAR SINESTRO to be able to read, "get" or again perish forbid, enjoy a series. Otherwise, just buy back issues, SHOWCASE PRESENTS and ESSENTIAL everything ... because if they can't communicate it to you in the series you're looking at, they can't do it at all. Of course, they probably can, so no problem.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Will The Black Ring Lanterns Be Intelligent Zombies?

    by LaserPants

    Or will they be growling, drooling, moaning dim bulbs? I suppose to make it work, they'll have to be smart zombies.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Buzz Maverik

    by messi

    Showcase and essential have nothing to do with understanding Sinestro Corps War. you only have to read from Rebirth. Rebirth acts as Star Wars A new hope, introducing everything again. GL Corps sets up the world and scope and GL sets up the more personal aspects and Hal as a mythic figure and central to the SCW. That's how it works.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 5:52 p.m. CST

    The Baddest thing about The Blackest Night is that

    by messi

    The War of light will rage on but then they will all get fucked over by the Black Lanterns. I'm pretty damn sure they kill who they touch.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 5:55 p.m. CST

    I thought of Kyle as Blue Lantern too

    by messi

    He is one of the most noble characters in the DCU. Would make sense. Orion won't be a red lantern, the dude will be dead by then. Fatality is a great idea. Even though unless properly executed the mega wide crossover is a pain, the idea of The blackesy Night fucking up every character and throwing every book into chaos is great. What if Lois became a violet Lantern? That affects superman's book. What if Oracle became a blue lantern etc. It's a great idea. But i'm just waiting for the massive double page spreads of the War of Light that will destroy my eyes with the colors.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Black Lanterns = former heroes

    by messi

    Conner Kent and Barry Allen for sure. That is if Barry doesn't return in Final Crisis(which will obviously happen).

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 6:01 p.m. CST


    by messi

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Speaking of a Flash...

    by expert_40

    ... did anyone else besides me feel absolutely BETRAYED by the way Bart was killed? Not only by the way, but by the fact that they killed him in the first place?<br><br>I grew up reading Impulse comics and Young Justice comics. DC killing Bart, especially in so crappy a way, has replaced what they did to Hal Jordan 12 years ago for me.<br><br>At least they were able to cooly retcon Hal turning into Paralax into something fucking awesome (as we're reading now).<br><br>How the fuck could DC ever reconcile Bart's death at the hands of the Flash Rogues in the way he died?<br><br>Worst DCU death EVER! Not only for the way it went down, but because it was so unnecessary.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 7:04 p.m. CST


    by messi

    I did. It was because it wasn't selling, which sucks because the Guggenheim arc was great and he had a handle on the character and I don't see where else they can take Wally. Bart grown up was a great idea. It sucks that fate and chance has so much to play in comic books, if only the right creator came along, who knows how different things would be in Flash world and how it would tie into Final Crisis. Whoever expected Green Lantern to be so fucking epic. Or Captain America so fucking good or Immortal Iron Fist so fucking brilliant.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 7:05 p.m. CST


    by messi

    You used to read it? Why aren't you reading it now? Johns' run is the best superhero comic of the decade. Seriously this is the Lord of the Rings of Superhero Comics. Read from Rebirth please.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 7:11 p.m. CST

    I Like The Idea Barbara Gordan As The Blue Lantern

    by LaserPants

    But I don't now if it'll go there. But who knows?

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 7:13 p.m. CST


    by expert_40

    ... it's nice to know that I do not mourn Bart Allen alone.<br><br>It was just so senseless to me. I know he's just a character and everything, but shoot, you get attached sometimes.<br><br>At least when Conner died, it was for a reason worth dying for. Bart dying was so empty.<br><br>Oh, and I always knew Green Lantern could and should be the best written book in the DCU. The mythos behind it is ten times better than ANYTHING ever written for Bats or Supes.<br><br>I've been through a lot, waiting for this time for Green Lantern. Please, don't make me even talk about the dreaded Gay Lantern Winnick years (must that man KILL every book he writes for with his heavy-handed Yay Gay and AIDS sad messages?).<br><br>GL and the GLC have deserved this kind of run. I just hope the new writers can continue what Johns has created... THE BEST FUCKING COMIC GOING!

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 7:57 p.m. CST


    by messi

    The Mythos was so strong that it only needed a dude to bring that potential out. It's the new Star Wars. And Winnick's run was ok, the Ion Story was alright, just the fact Kyle was a God and the way he acted. Making a brutal difference. But I wonder how Kyle would have been if Johns' handled him. I really wish Morrison took up Green Lantern cos he loves Kyle.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 8:19 p.m. CST

    re: LaserPants, Recently Converted Marvel Zombie...

    by barking_frog

    I don't really get involved with characters so much as with writers. I'll follow Alan Moore or Ed Brubaker pretty much wherever they go, and whether or not I'm reading e.g. GL will probably depend on whether or not Johns is writing it.<br /><br /> I barely read comics through the 90's, except for a couple must-read pieces like LONE WOLF & CUB and KINGDOM COME that everybody was reading even outside the comics industry. But in the 80's I was almost strictly Marvel -- that seemed to be a great time for Marvel, whereas DC was coming out with really hit-and-miss stuff.<br /><br /> I started reading again in early 2007, basically because I'd gotten an itch to write a comic and wanted to see what was happening in the industry now, and it seems like things have totally reversed. DC is now in the habit of putting high-caliber talent on their main books like Batman, Superman, and GL, whereas I can't make heads or tails out of Marvel's old mainstays like the X-Men anymore.<br /><br /> It's just strange to me how much of a difference 15 years has made. Marvel still has some great stuff coming out (IMMORTAL IRON FIST comes to mind), but for the most part it seems like DC's been stealing Marvel's lunch for a while now.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 9:06 p.m. CST

    DC is better than before but...

    by messi

    Marvel still seems to win. DC has Green Lantern and Green Lantern Corps. But Marvel has Immortal Iron Fist, Captain America, Daredevil, Ultimate Spidey, Punisher. But DC is far better than they've been for a long long time.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Yellow Lantern Candidates

    by RenoNevada2000

    How about Jonathan Crane, aka The Scarecrow?

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Abin Sur's son's Yellow Ring..

    by expert_40

    ... was sent to find Jonathan Crane, The Scarecrow.<br><br>So we know that he'll be a force to be reckoned with in the Bat books (which is why I think Babs becoming a Blue Lantern would be the balls... that, and she and Dick can finally try some new positions besides he laying there because she's, well, crippled. The blue aura would let her take it doggy style, reverse cowgirl, up against the wall... all the good ways.<br><br>But really, since we know Crane's going to be in the Sinestro Corps, I was really asking if anyone could think of OTHER ideas. I think the Joker would have the most fucked-up yellow constructs ever, even more so than Nero. It would be epic. Then, if Babs WERE the Blue Lantern... well, we all know the history there, thanks to the man, Alan Moore.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 9:35 p.m. CST

    Bart's not gonna stay dead

    by Thalya

    And I wager neither will Barry Allen, if the hints Johns has given about a huge remaking in the works for the Flash universe are worth anything.<BR><BR>'Matter of fact, I'll codify that wager - hopefully SleazyG is still hanging around this TB because I will wager eating a Hot Pocket if the following does not comes to pass:<BR><BR>Bart and Barry Allen return.<BR><BR>Some further details that I'm not going to make wager-able, but I think would kick tush if they came about: Johns has indicated that Weather Wizard will get a fair amount of exploration in Rogues Revenge, my guess is that he'll finally get his own Rogue Profile, a key point of which being that he has a son. Drawing from that and a line of his in All-Flash where he spazzed over them killing a "kid" (Bart), I'm guessing Rogues Revenge will have an undercurrent that leads to Barry Allen showing up at the very end and the Rogues laying down weapons out of respect. It's about the only way they get to get pulled back from their over-grittifcation. Beyond that, who knows? But if numbers for Salvation Run #1 and Rogues Revenge are good enough, the big change in the Flash universe could be a 2nd-tier-hero-rework a la Green Lantern that splits into 2 books: Flash Family (everyone, but focused on Wally's family, Jay and Bart) and Flash Rogues (emphasis on Barry and Iris on that side of things). It's a classic Johns "let everyone have their favorite" solution.<BR><BR><BR>Who'll take this bet? And mind you, I'm quite serious, because the last time I had a HP my lower digestive track went kaput for an entire year - I'm not joking.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Erm... Scarecrow was kiboshed in that selfsame issue..

    by Thalya

    GL #27, to be exact. Didn't even last 6 pages.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 9:40 p.m. CST


    by expert_40

    ... I DISAGREE!!!<br><br>DC is so much better than Marvel right now. Booster Gold is fucking AWESOME. JLA is always better than The Avengers. GL is the best book on the market, even better than Ultimate Spider-Man, or the Immortal Iron Fist. GLC is a better team-up book than X-Men right now. Countdown rules Civil War, where they made Iron Man the villain for what, insisting that vigilantes (which are against the law) work within the realm of the law to protect the citizens, like policemen and women do. How was he wrong? Okay, the imprisonment without trial thing was not good. But his idea of registration is dead on. As a libertarian comic book reader, I've always been a little leery of these people with powers throwing on some primary colors and fighting bad guys. They answer to no one, or at least they did. Iron Man was the good guy. Cap was the bad guy, just no one wants to admit it. But I digress.<br><br>And let's not EVEN go into the whole FUBAR, clusterfuck mess that was One More Day, the only event in comic book history that makes the Clone Saga look good by comparison.<br><br>Talk about your all-time cop-out, bullshit. One More Day totally fucked over the character of Peter Parker and fucked over the readers. What's the big fucking deal with Aunt May, anyway? Why the fuck can't this old, dried up, pruny-looking woman just fucking DIE!!! And why is Parker suddenly so much of a fucking douchebag that he couldn't just let her die? She has to be a-fucking-hundred or something, anyway!<br><br>Joe Quesada can lick my harry nutsack and take a ride in my piece of shit car which smells like the shoe for what he did to all of us with One More Day.<br><br>Fuck Marvel, just for that alone. Fuck Joe Q. DC rules all, right now, and GL and GLC lead the mother fucking charge!<br><br>Snootch to the Nootch!

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 9:41 p.m. CST


    by expert_40

    ... I haven't read #27 yet. Thanks for the warning. I just read it on Wiki by accident and thought it would be cool.<br><br>Now, I guess not. I have to get to the shop tomorrow and pick up my shit.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 10 p.m. CST

    expert_40 Man you Suck

    by messi

    I was on Cap's side. But maybe that's because i'm a South American leftist. Cap was the good guy, Marvel made it out that the rebels were the good guys, I mean Cap pretty much spelt it out "If we sign up then the government we'll be telling us who the bad guys are" which is one of the best most fuck you statements ever. The only reason civil war wasn't good to many people is because they wanted Cap to Win. And Iron Man is a cunt. PLus you can't seriously tell me JLA is better than New Avengers. JLA is a horrible book, it's been horrible for 17 issues now, but New Avengers has been great and looks brilliant. Yes Green Lantern and GL Corps are my fave books out there, but Marvel is putting out the Arthouse shit, Immortal Iron Fist, Captain America, Daredevil. Critically acclaimed books that look 200 times more professional than most DC books. This might sound bias but it's coming from a dude whose pull list is 80% DC. But I can admit Marvel have the more arty smart books.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Marvel "Civil War" Crap

    by Cybyer

    Actually, I hated Civil War from issue # 1, just because of the way the New Warriors got fucked over. Plus, they weren't the only ones. One of my faves, Iron Man, trash talking them for letting themselves get suckered into a situation he himself has been suckered into a hundred times over? Iron Men was set up from the beginning of that fiasco to be the douche. Pissed me off, it did. Now the only Marvels that get my dime are Astonishing X-Men and Runaways, in the blue moon where they actually come out.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 10:47 p.m. CST

    re: CIVIL WAR

    by barking_frog

    I tried to read Civil War... I made it through about five or six issues and in that brief span saw Tony and Peter both abused horribly in terms of characterization. Maybe things got better (though I've heard they stayed bad or got worse), but it seems to me that if Marvel has a story they want to do that doesn't fit with the personalities of their characters, maybe they should do it as some sort of "imaginary story" thing (in the Ultimates line maybe?) instead of forcing it on their mainstream universe.<br /><br /> Granted then it wouldn't be an "event" and rake in the quantity of dough Civil War did, but it also wouldn't have damaged Marvel's rep the way Civil War appears to've.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 10:54 p.m. CST

    I don't think JLA is that bad...

    by expert_40

    ... is it as good as the relaunch what, 12 years ago? Man, so many things happened in 1995-1996. Rayner the new GL. Aquaman loses a hand. Superman has long hair. Batman comes back for good. JLA is relaunched. Didn't Heroes Reborn or Heroes Return happen in those years, as well? Anyway... I stand by what I said, messi... Cap was the bad guy.<br><br>Look, I'm about as middle of the road as you get. I despise the right AND the left. Most artists (comic book writers included, though Joe Q might have to be kicked off that list) are leftists. Of course they're going to paint Cap as the good guy. Which, when you think about it, is totally hypocritical. Lefties in this country hate guns and want permits and licenses and waiting periods and to do away with the 2nd amendment. Why wouldn't they be in the same boat for registering people who have a million times the destructive power of a single hand gun as Iron Man?<br><br>See... hypocritical... yet ANOTHER reason to hate the Marvel whacky libs who tried to turn Iron Man into a douche.<br><br>Anyway... Cap was wrong. Heroes SHOULD be guided and TRAINED (because, like, besides the X-men, none of them really are trained) and they SHOULD answer to some kind of authority.<br><br>Look, to me art is secondary to a great story. The visual is just the candy, baby. The story is the meat and potatoes, know what I mean? Right now, DC is telling the best stories.<br><br>And it will literally take years (or an enormous retcon to my satisfaction) to rinse the taste from my mouth of the putrid filth that Joe Q shoveled down our throats with One More Day. I will NEVER forgive Marvel and Joe Q for fucking over Peter Parker and fucking over us, the fans.<br><br>Ultimate Spidey is the ONLY Spidey for me now.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Good Writers Can Have Heroes They Disagree

    by Buzz Maverik

    with politically. In the end, Millar imposed political points of view on characters that never particuarily showed those points of view before (Tony Stark stopped making weapons, opposed the Viet Nam war, attacked a U.S. federal prison because the guards wore armor of his design -- a move that brought a temporarily defrocked Steve Rogers, in his identity as The Captain, against him).<p>Worse, Millar fell prey to making the good guys the ones who held a Marvel Universe POV analogous to his own, while the "bad guys" were part of the Mean People Suck party.<p>That's writing about as subtle as the time Krypto, Streaky, Beppo and Super Horse teamed up against Lex Luthor's monster gerbil.<p>I'm tellin' ya, Millar should be forced to read every novel James Ellroy has ever written. I love the question: why is Ed Exley a good guy while Dudley Smith is a bad guy? One could even ask how Exley is a good guy while Smith is a bad guy. Which is why, at the end of WHITE JAZZ, hitman cop Dave Kline goes under the alias Edmund Smith.<p>If CIVIL WAR would have had us asking why/how Steve Rogers is a good guy and Tony Stark is a bad guy, we would have had something beautiful and profound. As it is, we just get I Like People (Characters) Who Are Like Me and Don't Like People Characters Who Aren't Like Me, Even Though I Make Huge Amounts Of Money Writing For An American Coroporation.

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Somewhere, Iron Man...

    by Buzz Maverik

    ...blasts across the sky over DC, ready to intercept Ultimo as he wades through the Rotunda, en route to stomping the White House...<p>While Captain America and the Falcon do battle with a private army of killers with ties to the Red Skull...

  • Feb. 20, 2008, 11:50 p.m. CST

    You guys don't get it

    by messi

    Cap's whole point was to not become pawns of the government, which makes sense and his position makes sense. Remember the Marvel U is alot like our U, manipulative governments etc. Cap stands for the dream, the ideal and he saw security through loss of freedom as wrong but more to the point that if they all become government registered then they will be working for the government, they will be invading iraq. etc. I agree with Cap cos I try to be a noble compassionate person and his views made total sense. Plus Iron man has always been a sly cunt but it finally came out. And if you read the amazing spidey issues before Civil War it shows how Spidey started at that viewpoint and then changed(he's the moral center of Marvel remember).

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 12:14 a.m. CST

    Re: You guys don't get it

    by Cybyer

    Spidey's viewpoint lost all credibility the moment he was stupid enough to take off his mask on National TV. The hell that his life became immediately after was foretold way back in Amazing Fantasy # 15, when he decided to conceal his ID in the first place. Add decades of crimefighting experience on top of that and it all culminates in a moment of utter stupidity that he was too savvy to succumb to back in his first appearance? When did all Marvel heroes devolve back into rank amateurs? Because that was the real ret-con that had to happen to make 'Civil War' make any sense whatsoever.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 1:31 a.m. CST

    hey all

    by Darth Kal-El

    good to hear people passionately talking about comics. im not gonna lie i have alsmost zero knowledge of the GL universe and skipped civil war altogether. the sinestro thing sounds cool i might check that out. walking dead was fucking jaw dropping!

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 1:50 a.m. CST


    by messi

    If you read the Spidey comics before Civil War you'd see why Spidey would unmask.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 2:15 a.m. CST


    by Cybyer

    I did read them. I also read the years and years worth of Spidey comics that came before and laid the foundation of the character. Those comics are the ones that made me ask the unmasked Peter Parker (figuratively, of course. I don't really talk to my comics, just sayin'), "Where's your backbone, man? Where's your common sense? You call this responsibility?"

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 2:20 a.m. CST

    Messi II

    by Cybyer

    BTW, don't misinterpret my rabid disgust for Civil War as an insult to you, personally. You're just as entitled to your opinion as I am mine. I'm glad you liked it and you're not alone. I'm not picking on you, just venting on the warping of some of my fave characters is all.:)

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 3:17 a.m. CST


    by messi

    I get what you're saying, but it just seemed within the context of the comic that Spidey felt he was safe and was doing the right thing after considering it. And then it made more sense when the ramifications hit. Plus whilst Spidey is a genius he is naive'.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 5:43 a.m. CST

    Totally Agree About Writers, barking_frog

    by LaserPants

    I'd add artists to that as well, but, yeah, Brubaker and Moore's stuff are incredible -- they could write for any character and create gold. Johns is fantastic too. I guess we'll have to see who takes up the GL mantle as time goes on and if it can maintain the awesomeness that Johns brought the story / mythos...

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 6:07 a.m. CST

    Johns' is on till Issue 55 so far

    by messi

    It's basically his book and DC leave him on it for however long he likes. I wish Gibbons would come back on Green Lantern Corps, not because it's been bad(it's only been like 3 issues) but because he had the perfect mix of Star Wars and Superheroes.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 8:37 a.m. CST

    Fantastic Four #554 (yeah this is NOT about GL)

    by Shigeru

    Anyone else get a strong sense of deja vu at the end of the new FF? Like they'd seen it somewhere else... say... the end of that movie Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy?

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 9:10 a.m. CST


    by Psynapse

    Did I just witness a disagreement wherein both parties were VERY passionate in their stances but remained completely civil in the discourse?? On AICN no less? And people laugh at me when I say the end is near......

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 9:33 a.m. CST


    by expert_40

    ... it is possible to discuss opposing ideas if you're not such an extremist that your personal ideology overrules your basic human decency.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 10:16 a.m. CST

    re: expert_40

    by barking_frog

    It is not, and you're an idiot for even thinking so.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 10:27 a.m. CST


    by Shigeru


  • Feb. 21, 2008, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Barking Frog...

    by expert_40

    ... right back at ya, slick! Haha!

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 11:55 a.m. CST

    I think he was 'keeding' Shig....

    by Psynapse

    I see the post as deliberate irony myself.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 12:09 p.m. CST


    by barking_frog

    You've read my reviews, if I wasn't being ironic there'd be three points at least a paragraph long each supporting my assertion that expert_40 is an idiot. ^.^ But I think Shigeru was just playing along, too.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Iron Man Hasn't Always Been This Or That...

    by Buzz Maverik

    ...aside from maybe a second tier Marvel character (it's been pointed out that all of the characters not directly created by Kirby or Ditko have either stayed "B" list or taken decades to get to the "A" list, ie Daredevil).<p>Created in the 1960s, Tony Stark is simply the kind of character we would have admired in the 1950s, half Rat Pack and half Rocket Scientist. Prefeminism, pre-PC, the kind of guy who likes babes, bourbon, steaks and cigars. He's the kind of guy we're not supposed to relate to any more, which is a good reason to releate to him. He's positively awash in testosterone, but not in the disgruntled, ultimately powerless Frank Castle way. No, he's the kind of guy who runs things, get things done and has a good time doin' it.<p>Robert Downey Jr. is great casting in 2008.<p>Best casting, keeping in mind that this actor is a wealthy, intellectual, partying hound: Jack Nicholson circa 1973.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Iron Man sequel

    by barking_frog

    I like Downey for the role too, but if they ever do a film directly addressing Tony's alcoholism, I'd love to see Nicholas Cage have a shot at it. <a href="">Leaving Las Vegas</a> convinced me nobody's ever going to do a drunken waste of flesh as well as Cage can.

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Woah woah WOAH Buzz!!

    by Psynapse

    Ultimately powerless? Umm...but but but what's the point of such a huge body count other than the fun factor then?

  • Feb. 21, 2008, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Frank Castle does have the charm...

    by loodabagel

    I recall he wooed quite a few ladies in that last Punisher story. Iron Man's just a douche-cunt who like to show off his tan and pop his collar.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 12:30 p.m. CST


    by Buzz Maverik

    I like THE PUNISHER, PUNISHER'S WAR JOURNAL, PUNNY'S SUPER STORIES and PUNISHER PALS 'N' GALS as much as anybody. But as a character, the Punisher is powerless the way school shooters are powerless(they are powerless to change anyone else, deny themselves the power to change themselves and don't know that they can wait and work through things), or more mildly, the way bullies are powerless. Which is not to say he's a bad guy or a bad character. He's a hurt, wounded character which in fiction makes him one of the greatest characters, actually. One of the most interesting. Same reason that Batman is ultimately more interesting than Superman. Normal characters make boring fiction. But we know that no matter how many hoods the Punisher shoots, he'll never stop that first massacre in Central Park (or whichever park it was). <p>Characters like Tony Stark, Bruce Wayne, Reed Richards, Bruce Banner, etc. are the kind of guys who would run the world without super powers. What makes them great is that their super-powers screw things up for them.<p>I do agree with you though. I think the point of Punny's huge body count is the fun factor.<p>Also, Looda, Frank getting girls has nothing to do with power. Let's see: he's a buff, mysterious guy with a palpable sense of danger about him. He's gonna get the chicks. But he couldn't run a multi-billion dollar conglomerate that provides income for a large portion of the Marvel Universe eastern seaboard. At his best, a non-Punisher Frank Castle could have been an excellent head bodyguard for a non-Iron Man Tony Stark, which would be a cool, high paying job that would have netted him even more chicks, were he unprofessional enough to fall for it, which he wouldn't be.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 12:38 p.m. CST

    May Stark's Alcoholism Never Be Addressed...

    by Buzz Maverik film!<p>Let him be a drunk, not an alcoholic. We don't need role models. We don't need Afterschool Specials: The Superhero Who Drank Too Much.<p>The best Stark is Charlie Wilson. A scientific Hemingway. A super-powered (non-OCD) Howard Hughes. John Huston or Oliver Stone. He's a carouser, who puts on mechanized armor and keeps the Titanium Man and The Crimson Dynamo from crushing us during our morning commute -- if he's awake.<p>But I, too, have often thought that Nic Cage would have been better suited to Iron Man than to Ghost Rider (because I can't buy a dude in his 40s in that role, shoulda been the SPEED RACER kid).

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Holy crap!

    by loodabagel

    I got a new issue of Runaways in the mail today. I thought that came out once a year.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Than again...

    by loodabagel

    Is anyone suited for Ghost Rider, the role of a lifetime? Cage's big problem in that movie was that he was asked to play God, Hitler, Han Solo and Genghis Khan all at once. Ghost Rider wears some big mothafuckin shoes. They're hard to fill.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Also, Spidey's Only Naive To Fit The Plot...

    by Buzz Maverik

    He's never been portrayed as naive before, not even in his first appearance. In fact, a lot of Pete's high school problems stemmed from him being light years ahead of Flash, Liz and the rest of the gang at Riverdale. He's seen lots of bad things, lost his innocence early on. He's had to support two people long before he was ready. He's had to haggle with JJJ, usually portrayed for laughs but who would be one of the most powerful people in NY journalism, for every cent he's made. He's come close to dying, seen at least two mentor figures (George Stacey and Miles Warren) die. Been wanted by the law. Seen another mentor figure, then later a best friend go criminally insane. Seen the girl he loves die in an ambiguous way that may have been partially his own fault (later learning that the same girl had borne two children from the killer; btw, this girl was cloned and left on his doorstep as an FU present when he got back from a trip to Paris). Been married. Become a father. Graduated college. Taught school. Joined the Avengers.<p>Worst of all, the guy who wrote him to do something naive, had earlier done some of the best writing for Spidey in years on a celebrated SPIDER-MAN arc.

  • Feb. 22, 2008, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Oh, Wait...

    by Buzz Maverik

    A lot of that stuff now never happened. Thanks Quesadaphisto.

  • Feb. 23, 2008, 3:49 a.m. CST


    by Darth Kal-El

    that actually sounded vaguely dirty and like it might give u a venereal desease.'cheese fisting'.spidey continuity was cheese fisted.god its late

  • Feb. 23, 2008, 7:51 p.m. CST


    by blackthought

    if spidey is the moral center of marvel...then what does making deals with the devil do in that equation? is there is a mephisto skrull that you can make deals with?

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 12:03 p.m. CST

    OH shit!

    by loodabagel

    You mean I'm not trapped in Dimension X? Brand New Day is really happening? The only skrull in town seems to me, to be Quesada. I don't know if anyone else remembers way back in the day when he was writing Iron Man, but there was this great story where Tony's armor came alive. Oddly enough, I went back and reread those issues recently, and not only did they hold up, but Tony was not written as a crazy fascist either. He spent a lot of time womanizing and boozing. I think there may have even been some smoking. Oddly enough, this didn't encourage my young self to live a more hedonistic lifestyle. However, it's still a good thing Quesada took care of that problem before more impressionable youngsters got the wrong idea. I like to think that the cool Joe Quesada is locked up in a basement somewhere with cool Michael Jackson and cool Mel Gibson while their alien counterparts wreck havoc upon the world.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Here's a fun fact...

    by loodabagel

    Not only did Jason Bateman star in Teen Wolf Too, but Jeph Loeb wrote the script. I guess that's where the Ultimates 3 came from...

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 5:50 p.m. CST

    dont forget cool tom cruise

    by Darth Kal-El

    seriously if there were skrulls the examples looda gave would fit to a tee. unralated note ive recently been reading the new justice league series and im really liking it. anyone else on board with this one? also hows everyones weekend u glorious comic loving bastards u

  • Feb. 25, 2008, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Runaways #29

    by Psynapse

    Can someone PLEASE explain to me WHAT. THE. FUCK. was awesome/hard to write/ hard to draw was in this issue to justify a 4 month and 10 day gap in between issues?!? Seriously, I wanna know 'cuz I suer as shit don't see it.<p>DEAR JOSS WHEDON: J-Dude, I am one of THE biggest buffy/angel whores to ever walk the streets so understand this is coming from someone who LOVES the majority of your work. PLEASE DO NOT SOLICIT ANOTHER STORYLINE FOR ANY BOOK THAT YOU DON'T HAVE FINISHED BEFORE THE FIRST ISSUE SHIPS. Seriously dude, this is a REGULAR SCHEDULE industry (or at least it used to be until this all-too-common bullshit became the semi-norm).<p> I call SHENANIGANS on ALL late books from here on out. This shit is fucking CLOWN SHOES man......

  • Feb. 25, 2008, 3:12 p.m. CST

    I've got nothing clever to say...

    by loodabagel

    I agree that it's a complete crock that Whedon can't get his shit together. What a slow bastard.

  • Feb. 27, 2008, 9:17 p.m. CST

    can tots be titans?

    by GooberNGrape

    Dear Tiny Stones, i totally loved your piece on the baby-titans comic for babies, super cute. but it might have been more effective without the preamble. srsly.