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Episode #57: "Took"
Debut: SUNDAY, FEB. 17
An unexpected call puts Templeton back in the spotlight - and gets McNulty more attention than he expected. Bunk bucks at Landsman (Delaney Williams) when ordered to help with the force's most recent red ball. Omar sends Marlo a message; Carcetti proves he's still an adept fund-raiser; Carver (Seth Gilliam) gift-wraps a witness for Bunk; Bubbles shows a reporter the ropes; Freamon tries to crack a clock code; Greggs prepares for a visit from her son; Michael has a close call; Haynes (Clark Johnson) can't shake his suspicions about Templeton; assisted by the top-drawer lawyer Billy Murphy (Billy Murphy), "cash and carry" Davis makes his day in court a memorable one.
Teleplay by Richard Price; story by David Simon & Richard Price; directed by Dominic West.
Episode #58: "Clarifications"
Debut: SUNDAY, FEB. 24
Baltimore's renewed police commitment brings fresh recruits to Daniels (Lance Reddick) and McNulty, starting with Carver. Facing a new political challenge, Carcetti is forced to make dangerous political deals. As the Pulitzer season winds down, Haynes approaches Templeton about his sources. Bunk returns a McNulty favor; little Kenard (Thuliso Dingwall) makes a big score; Dukie finds work; Fletcher (Brandon Young) continues his interview with Bubbles; Freamon presents his latest plan to a prosecutor; Sydnor (Corey Parker Robinson) uncovers the missing piece to a puzzle; McNulty comes clean.
Teleplay by Dennis Lehane; story by David Simon & Dennis Lehane; directed by Joe Chappelle.
Episode #59: "Late Editions"
Debut: SUNDAY, MARCH 2
With Steintorf (Neal Huff) ordering Rawls (John Doman) to initiate "creative" remedies for the rising crime rate, Freamon's (Clarke Peters) vigilance pays off with a promising lead, sending Sydnor (Corey Parker Robinson) and the department into overdrive. Although Daniels (Lance Reddick) is originally delighted, a further probe with Pearlman (Deirdre Lovejoy) reveals some troubling source information. McNulty (Dominic West), feeling betrayed, doesn't feel like sharing in Freamon's celebration; Michael (Tristan Wilds) is suspicious about his latest assignment; Haynes (Clark Johnson) gets fresh eyes to help with fact-checking; Namond's (Julito McCullum) debating skills make Colvin (Robert Wisdom) proud; Davis (Isiah Whitlock, Jr.) points a finger at Levy (Michael Kostroff) and the courts; and Bubbles (Andre Royo) recounts a recent temptation overcome.
Teleplay by George Pelecanos; story by David Simon & George Pelecanos; directed by Joe Chappelle.
Episode #60: " - 30 - "
Debut: SUNDAY, MARCH 9
Carcetti (Aidan Gillen) maps out a damage-control scenario with the police brass in the wake of a startling revelation from Pearlman and Daniels. Their choices: clean up the mess, or hide the dirt. With his leads predictably drying up, McNulty asks Landsman (Delaney Williams) to pull police off the homeless case - until a fresh homicide ramps up the investigation. A frustrated Haynes finds his concerns about Templeton (Tom McCarthy) falling on increasingly deaf ears. Convinced he has the upper hand, but caught in a legal quandary, Levy plays a cat-and-mouse game with Pearlman. Bubbles debates whether to greenlight a newspaper story about his life; Dukie (Jermaine Crawford) seeks out an old mentor for a loan; and Marlo (Jamie Hector) oversees a new co-op order as he maps out his next move. As the officers stage an Irish wake for another dearly departed officer, the seeds of the future are sown throughout Baltimore.
Teleplay by David Simon; story by David Simon & Ed Burns; directed by Clark Johnson.
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Debut: SUNDAY, FEB. 17
An unexpected call puts Templeton back in the spotlight - and gets McNulty more attention than he expected. Bunk bucks at Landsman (Delaney Williams) when ordered to help with the force's most recent red ball. Omar sends Marlo a message; Carcetti proves he's still an adept fund-raiser; Carver (Seth Gilliam) gift-wraps a witness for Bunk; Bubbles shows a reporter the ropes; Freamon tries to crack a clock code; Greggs prepares for a visit from her son; Michael has a close call; Haynes (Clark Johnson) can't shake his suspicions about Templeton; assisted by the top-drawer lawyer Billy Murphy (Billy Murphy), "cash and carry" Davis makes his day in court a memorable one.
Teleplay by Richard Price; story by David Simon & Richard Price; directed by Dominic West.
Debut: SUNDAY, FEB. 24
Baltimore's renewed police commitment brings fresh recruits to Daniels (Lance Reddick) and McNulty, starting with Carver. Facing a new political challenge, Carcetti is forced to make dangerous political deals. As the Pulitzer season winds down, Haynes approaches Templeton about his sources. Bunk returns a McNulty favor; little Kenard (Thuliso Dingwall) makes a big score; Dukie finds work; Fletcher (Brandon Young) continues his interview with Bubbles; Freamon presents his latest plan to a prosecutor; Sydnor (Corey Parker Robinson) uncovers the missing piece to a puzzle; McNulty comes clean.
Teleplay by Dennis Lehane; story by David Simon & Dennis Lehane; directed by Joe Chappelle.
Debut: SUNDAY, MARCH 2
With Steintorf (Neal Huff) ordering Rawls (John Doman) to initiate "creative" remedies for the rising crime rate, Freamon's (Clarke Peters) vigilance pays off with a promising lead, sending Sydnor (Corey Parker Robinson) and the department into overdrive. Although Daniels (Lance Reddick) is originally delighted, a further probe with Pearlman (Deirdre Lovejoy) reveals some troubling source information. McNulty (Dominic West), feeling betrayed, doesn't feel like sharing in Freamon's celebration; Michael (Tristan Wilds) is suspicious about his latest assignment; Haynes (Clark Johnson) gets fresh eyes to help with fact-checking; Namond's (Julito McCullum) debating skills make Colvin (Robert Wisdom) proud; Davis (Isiah Whitlock, Jr.) points a finger at Levy (Michael Kostroff) and the courts; and Bubbles (Andre Royo) recounts a recent temptation overcome.
Teleplay by George Pelecanos; story by David Simon & George Pelecanos; directed by Joe Chappelle.
Debut: SUNDAY, MARCH 9
Carcetti (Aidan Gillen) maps out a damage-control scenario with the police brass in the wake of a startling revelation from Pearlman and Daniels. Their choices: clean up the mess, or hide the dirt. With his leads predictably drying up, McNulty asks Landsman (Delaney Williams) to pull police off the homeless case - until a fresh homicide ramps up the investigation. A frustrated Haynes finds his concerns about Templeton (Tom McCarthy) falling on increasingly deaf ears. Convinced he has the upper hand, but caught in a legal quandary, Levy plays a cat-and-mouse game with Pearlman. Bubbles debates whether to greenlight a newspaper story about his life; Dukie (Jermaine Crawford) seeks out an old mentor for a loan; and Marlo (Jamie Hector) oversees a new co-op order as he maps out his next move. As the officers stage an Irish wake for another dearly departed officer, the seeds of the future are sown throughout Baltimore.
Teleplay by David Simon; story by David Simon & Ed Burns; directed by Clark Johnson.
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that this is ending. One of the greatest series in tv history.
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...has The Wire kept the promise it showed from the beginning? I've got season one in the can and want to get going on it, if the ride is worth it..
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its been worth it. ALOY watch it and enjoy. no way your disappointed.
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1-4 are amazing, 5 is very good, but rushed and weaker than the 4 previous seasons, but it is definitely worth it.
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This season feels fast, but fits perfectly with the others, when viewing the whole picture. Sseason 4 ratcheted things up and kinda put everything in place that is happening now, and season 3 put everything in place for that season and...Well, you get the idea. I've only been sad when one show went off the air (laugh all you want - it was NIGHT COURT, and I was twelve), but I'll have to say that I am saddened to a great degree by the thought of no more WIRE - no more McNulty, no more Bunk, no more Omar, no more Greggs, no more Lester, no more Bubbles, no more Daniels. Damn.
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I look forward to this.
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That's going to be fucking huge. There's also a wonderful callback with Greggs having her kid over, paralleling when McNulty has his kids over in season one, involving Ikea. I've been really pleased with this season so far.
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has an extended length, like seson four's finale did. I have no idea how it will end, or how it should end rather, but I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't make a big deal about it, and just show that nothing has changed, and the chain of command continues.
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so clearly he doesn't come clean to everyone.
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Great. I didn't want to read the descriptions for the final two episodes, as I don't want anything potentially spoiled, so I appreciate that.
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since he's on the homeless case in the finale... I think coming clean means to Beadie.
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Looks like Marlo might make it out the end of the Wire not deadified.
And if 'little Kenard (Thuliso Dingwall) makes a big score' is what I think it is then I shall jump out the window/shark along with season 5.
I'm thinking my feelings at the end of this series will be 'bitter disappointment' after 4 top quality seasons.
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i look forward to the new installments all week, enjoy every second of them, but then get a little depressed because we're closer to the end.
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But I'm glad - I wanted to read this and try to wrap my head around the fact that they really only have 3 weeks to go and somehow are going to 'wrap it up', but am also glad I have no REAL idea how it all plays out. Though the idea of seeing Bunny, Namond and Prez (has to be Dukie's old 'mentor') one more time is nice. Who's the cop with the wake?!?!? I bet it's good symbolism too of the institution being a static thing falling behind...Damn this season better come on DVD ASAP after its done airing with a shitload of extras on it - like massively comprehensive interviews etc, outtakes...but most of all, just get it out.
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I have no idea how you'd track it down at this point, but any fan of this show would love a lengthy interview with David Simon that ran in the McSweeny's affiliated magazine "The Believer" this past summer. It is probably the best interview about the creation of a TV show that I've ever read, and Simon's trademark attitude is all over it. It's excerpted in the booklet to the soundtrack to The Wire that came out about a month ago, so you can get a feel for the piece there, but I'm telling you - it's worth tracking the full thing down. Really good stuff. I'm gonna miss the hell out of this show...
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No spoilers just speculation. I just know, in true Wire fashion, that characters I love will die and characters I hate will live. I've loved the season so far and I think Simon has a plan to wrap it up. Just please don't kill any of the four main kids.
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Where you see Bubbles has turned his life around, and has a job, and at the end he's just with these big pots of water and such. Just as a result of how this show works and operates, I fully expected one of the pots to have boiling water in it, which he'd accidentally spill on himself, or some robber would come into the place and shoot him. So everyone's thoughts about people dying towards the end are not off base at all.
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How could you guys spoil that? Oh well. I hoped he would make it out alive, but The Wire never did anything I expected it to do and that is why I love the show. RIP - best show on TV.
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http://www.believermag.com/issues/200708/?read=interview_simon
Thanks for the tip on that, toshiro, helluva good read. "I'm from Baltimore, and I can tell you what 'active' means." I can't wait to see what he comes out with after The Wire. -
apparently is set in New Orleans and will be developed for HBO... and DanielKurland, i know what you mean, i thought the same thing about poor old Bubbs. Simon said in an interview once that the real Bubbles died and that he written the obit... hopefully Tv Bubbles doesn't die, he's always been one of my favorites.
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McNulty? My buddy and I were thinking about this. That would be a very emotional finale. I have very little doubt that the final scence of the show going to be the "cop funeral" in the bar. I always loved that scence from season 3.
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Lester dies of a heart attack. I still think its gonna be Lester's wake in the finale. Ever since he told McNulty "I'll take it to my grave" in an earlier episode, I always thought he would pass away. The smile on his face when he said it just made me think of foreshadowing. It's probably just a throwaway line but I have my suspicions. Wouldn't it be great if it was Rawls's wake and all of his past lovers attended and the series ended with a nice montage set to a killer Celine Deon song. A man can dream.
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The footage is already online. Haha.
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Can you remove the post above me? Let's not give him the satisfaction of everyone screaming at him for being an asshole.
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god damn...you truly are a genuine asshole.
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the leaked footage is a test shot...dont think it really is part of the series...watch again...omar is walking without a limp...it is a cool scene, although it makes little sense as omar has called out mario's entire gang, yet feels safe enuf to walk into a corner store and buy cigs
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for when this show ends, it marks the death of great tv
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i know *exactly* what you mean :( i almost dread the new episodes on my ondemand each monday morning....
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Most of the posts for this talkback are raves for the show. I agree its the best show ever made, but I want to here some theories for the final episodes. Who will die? Who will be arrested? Who will get fired? Who will stay the same? So come on guys, let's wake this talkback up. No Spoilers. I've already made that mistake before and got my ass chewed out. My theories: As stated before, Lester will die of a heart attack. I think the last shot of Marlo will be the police with a clear tap on his phone leading us to believe he will eventually be brought down. McNulty will be fired or in jail. Bunk will stay the same. Carrcetti will catch shit when the homeless murders turn out to be a lie. Templeton will end up with a better job and not get caught. Bubbles will get a book deal. Omar will survive! Michael will be arrested. Chris will get killed by Omar and Snoop will flee. That's it for me and keep in mind this is all theories.
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McNulty will be working a new homicide talking to a witness. The exact same thing that Homicide did when it ended and David Simon was writing for that show the last couple seasons.
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speculation regarding this show is worthless...cuz simon consistently thows you for a loop...i like being surprised...and we all will be as the final episode will not be leaked...personally, would love to see carcetti get gang assed raped...out of everyone in the show, he is the biggest villian...at least the other pols were honest in their corruption...he is corrupt to the core, yet continues on about how he is fighting the good fight...what a total fuckwad
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It's fucking real.
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if you want to read some hilarious shit, go here: http://tinyurl.com/2cyh9z
it's the message board over at HBO with predictions. killing off some cop at the end just doesn't seem like something earned yet - even if it's something 'sudden' like a lester heart attack, it just seems like a plot thing for its own sake...i dunno -
i dearly hope (and expect) that the finale will be at LEAST 1.5 hours (how about 2?!) like end of season 4 was 1.25. word.
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There were a couple things I wasn't too fond of. The Richard Belzer cameo completely took me out of the show. I also wasn't a big fan of McNulty on the voice distorter. One of the great things about the first season, was that they didn't have the technology like wires and cameras in the beginning to take down avon. They had to go to the FBI. Then this season Lester just breaks out a voice modifier. Some things i did like was the last scene with Kima and her son. That was genius. I actually would have liked that if it was the last scene of the series. The clay davis courtroom scene was fuckin hilarious. Omar killin Savino was also top notch. I do wish they would finally show Marlo's reaction to all the shit Omars been doing. In one of the season 4 commentaries David Simon says in season 5 we will finally see Marlo get angry. I don't think we've seen that yet so I'm waitin. All in all good episode.
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awwwww, man... i saw what i didn't want to see tonite... as clay davis would say.. "shhhheeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiittttttttt"
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but too sleepy...good night m oon, good night junkies...good night...
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that that's bullshit. because if you fucking just ruined that for me... i don't even know man, that's just fucked up.
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I swore I'd never register but this deserves it:
Herc, maintain some sense of control over this damn website. You have some stupid fuck like Ol Gravy posting spoilers for one of the greatest shows in history and can't come and do a little clean up? Give me a break. It's pathetic. Every other website does it, and everyone at AICN wonders why talkbacks are so fucking chaotic and amateur. It starts up top. Take control of your website and show a little respect for fans of your writing who don't want one of the greatest shows ever ruined for them while reading. Come on. -
and he's god damn right. great episode tonight, for those who came here to actually talk about the episode, not be a fucking "stinker". suck my dick gravy leg.
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Shark has been jumped. I guess that shit happens in real life..still dumb.
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10 hours later and that shit is still sitting there. either start taking an interest in your community or watch the type of users you actually want disappear. i will not be coming back here until i have seen the finale, and will do the same with other story-driven shows from now on.
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OH SHI-
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I hope to hell that 'Ol Gravy Leg is full of shit.
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Chris lets him get away.
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He confesses to all the murders after Bunk pins Michael's step-dad's murder on him.
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Feb 18, 2008 1:10:42 AM CST
MARLO GOES TO PRISON, WHERE HE IS SURROUNDED BY HIS ENEMIES
by ol' gravy leg
Lester doesn't get the credit, but he still retires happy.
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All signs point to YES.
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As I see it, yes.
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Ok, now I'm just making shit up.
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SON OF A FUCKING BITCH!!!!!
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for that spoiler post
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its all over imdb...they fuckin did it...and this is why you cant tell what simon is gonna do...ok, now im depressed...im not even gonna download the epi
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This site is fucking Amateur Hour. Pay somebody minimum wage to scroll through the talkbacks and delete the crazy spoilers, please.
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Seriously. There's a dozen of us that actually have an interest in the best show on TV and there's always some asshole to ruin any sort on intelligent discussion.
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To end that storyline like that... you have got to be kidding me.
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I get that to stay true to the streets of Baltimore, and to allow the murder poh-lice to finally win one, Omar had to go down... but Omar deserves better. Let him go down fighting. Let him get close to Marlo. At the very least, let him take down one of Butchie's killers. But this? Omar deserved better. Long live Omar.
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Omar deserved a better end... I always figured he would die but that was a chump way to go.
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I don't think it is cool to spoil people like that... at least warn people. Don't put the spoiler in the topic title.
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just someone post a good/real torrent of 8
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Can be found all over the place (which doesn't make him any less of a prick), and frankly I don't have much cause to believe that they're true. Sure, someone's "friend at HBO" might have confirmed them, but whatever...I've seen several people who claim to have seen the last three episodes give entirely different accounts of them. All of them seem to agree on Kenard's "big score" (FUCK FUCK FUCK) but if you've sen the clip, there's plenty to suggest that it's not the real scene (i.e. Omar's lack of limp).
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Omar's limp seems to vary from scene to scene... I figure Omar's a pretty smart dude and is playing it up a little bit to bait Marlo... and about Kenard's big score, most people on here seem opposed to the idea, but I kinda like it... (would've like it more if i didn't know before i saw the fucking episode)... can you imagine what a fucking legend that kid's gonna be in fifteen years? David Simon's always said the game never ends, and this just further pushes that point. i actually think it's a little brilliant, actually. but still, fuck you gravy. i still can't get over that.
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SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER for both the movie and episode 58. Do Not Read if you haven't seen both. I just wanted to throw out a cool comparison. This is referring to the Marlo/Omar scene and the Chigurh/LLewelyn Moss scene. In both The Wire and NCFOM, you have one character talking about how one's gonna kill the other and there's so much build up and build up only for one character to be killed by a random side character. There is never a showdown. I don't think it's a bad thing in either case, I just thought it was a neat little comparison.
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I may have missed the boat on this but was it ever addressed that the others were intially shown as creepy whispering people walking barefoot in the woods who killed people with a boomerang I believe??? Was it all of a sudden just decided they would be normal people living in a community on the island without ever address the prior incarnation?
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My bad
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cuz here is the diff...we never see llewelyn get killed...he is just dead...here, they have a character who has no biz wacking marlo, wacking marlo...this is a guy that dealers are so afraid of that they drop their stashes to him when he goes for a morning stroll, and this kid had the temerity to walk up right behind him and put a cap to his head?? simon is evil
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I wonder if the guy who plays Bunk will be in it. He's from NO, and was a big part of that Spike Lee thing on HBO about Hurricane Katrina.
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cable companies, but mine puts up the new episode on HBO on Demand about 8 pm EST sunday night. I can watch it, before hte last week's episode, even airs on HBO proper.
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I hope you get a unirary tract infection. Death would be too kind for the likes of you.
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either way, you should feel pain.
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I don't hate it artistically either, I'm just mad that one of my favorite characters in the history of television has to die (though frankly, and this might sound hideously idiotic, this particular death is somehow going to make every character death from hereon in easier to bear). The problem with what you said is that SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER in the complete spoiled plot that's blowing around out there, Kenard gets killed in a later episode.
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Just saw 58. I was hoping the asshole who posted spoilers was only kidding. Fuck him - spoiler posting mother fucker.
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If you haven't seen ep. 8, don't read this. The comparison to No Country for Old Men is sound, but there are also comparisons to the Assassination of Jesse James to be had. Both are legends. Both go out like chumps. I'm in the camp that thought it was brilliant/shocking/completely in character. Also loved the scene where the FBI profiles the serial killer - freaking hilarious!
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Yea I posted on imdb earlier. I wasn't really trying to compare the charaters but more the situation and uproar from fans. Spoiler. They both had the same build up with no showdown. Llewelyn and Omar were both survivors the entire time only to be killed by someone who we didn't think would kill them. We wanted that showdown but I actually liked the outcome of both.
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sorry but dude was right with those spoilers. too bad he blew it for so many people =(
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damn this show is just too good to end! Not fair! Not fair! Not fair!! Holy shit, this show is genius... wait to you guys see this episode... brilliant end with Beade and then the final scene sums it all up. Wow... just wow.
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This show is worth the investment of time and money. It's the best TV show in modern day history (IMHO) and I'd bet in the top 5 best shows in the history of Television. As long as you have patience and a brain, you'll love and appreciate this show. It's a visual novel and it'll blow you away.
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Also, I want to know what you think is gonna happen in the final episodes. You seem like a huge fan, like me, and I want your opinion. There is alot of bullshit floating around these boards.
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Fuck you. And y'know what, fuck Herc too for leaving that shit up. Coax is a fucking joke.
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herc, howabout you leak that cocksuckers IP address, if you have it, and someone here can fucking hit his computer with a virus? or some shit. i don't know how it works. i'm just pissed.
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I've always thought Kenard was a great character; he's ruthless, cruel, streetwise, cunning and motivated. I think he will probably morph into either an Omar character or a Marlo character from the impact killing Omar has on him. Too bad we'll never get to see this over another few seasons =*(
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Feb 18, 2008 5:57:42 PM CST
HEY HERC!! - can you delete spoilers for the next two weeks plea
by russman
I know, I don't have to come here.. but the idea of this site is to get people to come... And when scrolling down to submit to talkback, I happen to see "this guy is going to do something" in caps, it's only a matter of time that I'll see it as I read through other messages. So in the next two weeks can you or someone erase spoilers for the show? Please? Pretty please with hookers on top.
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I lost a high school friend to gunshot wounds a couple days before hand, and Sunday night I was preparing for his funeral the following mourning. I had to watch Episode 5.8 Sunday on top of that. I almost lost it. No Omar! Noooooooooooooo! Life sucks
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i dont want to know what is going to happen....simon is the best storyteller on the tube right now...knowing what is going to happen is like reading the last page of a novel...im still pissed that some ahole leaked omars death scene
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SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER (I know it's already been spoiled but still) Did anyone notice the DOB on Omar's tag at the end of the episode? 1960! So Omar was in his forties? I don't know if that's meant to be true, but the fact that he lived a (relatively) long life makes me feel a little better.
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I didn't notice that but I do remember hearing Bunk or another detective mentioning that Omar was 34.. Could be a mistake, I'll have to rewatch the show tonight.. there's worse ways to spend an evening! =)
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Wasn't Bubbles just in "Terminator: The Sarah Conner Chronicles?" Anyway will catch 58 Tuesday. Will be so depressed when the show ends.
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That certainly was him in Terminator. I was so amazed I ran into the bedroom to tell my wife to guess the character she would least expect to see as a freedom fighter in Terminator. Her first answer of Hurley took the wind out of my sails a little...the second of Sarah Jessica Parker, even more. Still, she got it on the third attempt - better than I would have, I think...
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no spoilers here....but i laughed and i cried and i got pissed and i cheered....best show ever
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please...it was the me morge...they had the tags backwards in the first place...bet they got his birthdate wrong too...
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They certainly foreshadowed the hell out of who was going to kill Omar. In one of the previous episodes, the little kid said something like "Omar is a bitch gimp" or something like that right after he put a gun to Michael's head. He was the only one in the group, including the previously immovable Michael, who wasn't scared shitless. At that point, I thought the kid was gonna have a role in helping find Omar. And then a few scenes before the deed, Omar is walking through an alley; all the kids yell "Omar!" and scatter, except the same kid who calmly watches him walk by; Omar ignores him, not considering him a threat. And even the actual scene itself was obvious as hell. You knew something was gonna happen when the camera angle is all close in, clearly trying to obscure what's going on in the store, even though Omar isn't doing anything interesting. He even looks over when he hears someone walk in and decides it's not a threat, before the big kablooey.
I guess Simon's point is that every tough guy eventually overlooks something and falls. Another youngin always picks it up. It's an endless cycle with no winners. I too would have enjoyed Omar torturing Marlowe for a few episodes, quartering him and then skull fucking his head, but I suppose this ending is a bit more meaningful. -
I bet Omar's death ends up being exactly why Marlowe goes down. Did you say how shaken Chris was when he heard Omar was dead? Everybody else was celebrating while Chris looked downright shell-shocked. Chris realized that even the baddest motherfucker out there can be taken down by random shit. That's the endgame for those guys. He'll probably realize this, let his little protege Michael escape the life, cop to some murders and snitch on Marlowe, so he can't have him killed.
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Omar may have become a sort of antihero for us and maybe those out in the streets. But ya know what? Having Omar go out like some heroic soldier on the battlefield is just not how this show goes. Someone like Omar would very likely go out like that. If it's one thing I know about this show, it's that you rarely get what you expect, and you often get what you don't want. Too bad. And Omar may pick and choose who to kill, but he's still a murderer.
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He was in his early 30's. In that prequel webisode he was shown as a young child in 1985.
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Another thought on Omar going out like this (or at all) is that I think it's symbolic of the "loss of code" (aka 'the old school' of the streets). We saw Bodie get killed in the same manner - frustrated, and left all alone as a true 'soldier' for stepping up to the wanton nonsense of Marlo and the M.O. of how things are done now. I thought it was very telling that the last scene of Omar (before the convenience store) is just him...all alone...on the street corner...having only dumped a few g-packs...and his voice almost cracks as he calls out into the silence and abandonment for Marlo to sack up and "do it right"...no code...Omar is a dinosaur...and when you then have Kenard be the one to take him out...it reminded me a lot of 'City of God' and those young-uns that run the favelas at the end ...or at least are the heirs apparent. Just some thoughts.
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After hearing the rumor a few weeks ago, and not totally dismissing it, seeing the scene last week when Kenard called him a "gimp bitch" or whatnot, made me 100% that it was what was going to happen.
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Bunk says 34
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THERE IS NO FUCKING SENSE AT ALL FOR YOU TO TAKE OUT THE COMPLETE ENJOYMENT WE COULD HAVE HAD WITH THIS SHOW, ITS NOT ONLY FAIR TO US ITS ALSO UNFAIR TO ALL THE PEOPLE BEHIND THIS SHOW.. MY FAVORITE SHOW OF ALL TIME AND YOU JUST SAT THERE AND RUINED IT!
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You know there is always the potential for spoilers, especially since there is the OnDemand episode a week ahead, so don't complain when you come on here nosing around and run into one. Simple solution for a simple problem.
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CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL.
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ok, I'm kinda new here, so explain this to me. does harry or anyone else who runs this site ever respond to you guys?
i mean, this seems like a really f'd up breach of one of the best show ever. is there anything more treasonous to the types of people that visit this site then doing what this #$%^&* did. how can so many people be so pissed off, and yet nobody involved with this site responds to everyone.
think that's kind of weird, that's all im sayin -
Spoilers for the episodes that are on ON DEMAND is one thing..but for the rest of the damn season! There is absolutley no %^&@(*! excuse.. And we all know Old Gray did that sh!t on purpose..putting it all caps (so it will stand out) and not putting spoilers in the subject. No Excuse for this at all..NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I havent gotten to see the episode yet and I dont mind him going out via Kenard...I find it ironic..but I would had liked to had seen him take out or seriously wound one of the big 4 (Marlo, Chris, Snoop) or even Monk before he went out..u know got some type of retribution...but RIP and FUCK YOU AGAIN OLD GRAVY!
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wow only three guesses? that's pretty good. i hate guessing games because i suck at them but wow...
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Well, just saw a FANTASTIC episode of Terminator Sarah Chronicles where they flashfowards...or flashbacks...(depending on whose perspective...fucking timetravel). And guess what! Bubbles will be a resistance fighter against Skynet. I couldn't believe it! Never saw the actor in anything but The Wire.
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Oh please don't give me that realism code of the street bullshit. The Wire is a fictionalized show plain and simple. David Simon could have killed of Omar anyway he wanted but he chose to give a big FUCK YOU to the fans of the show. Oh and I thought No Country for Old men was pretentious bullshit and the ending was crap. I bet I know what he was thinking that he would show everyone that no character is safe. blah blah blah. Been there done that. Actually keeping Omar alive would have been going against the grain and bold if you ask me. At least let him go out with his boots on.
If were going to talk realism let's do it. I live in Baltimore. Lived here all my life. There has never been a drug organization that put 22 bodies in any vacant houses. Never! We've never had a serial killer on the lose in the city either which means we've never had a reporter or a detective fake a serial killer either. How much realism is that?
Look. No one is saying that Omar couldn't die or shouldn't die, but as a FICTIONAL character that the audience had so much invested in I think the writers owed the fans more that's all. -
Feb 19, 2008 5:57:12 PM CST
um, the show never said that baltimore ever had a serial killer
by reynard muldrake
doesn't mean you can't make one up. a lot of cities haven't had them. p.s. your mom is pretentious bullshit.
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Your post further up the page regarding Omar standing in the street alone was spot-on. I agree wholeheartedly, and am satisfied with the way things turned out. Plus, let's not forget that Omar's death put Lester on Cheese's tail.
And regarding budbundy's spoilers...those are the ones that have been flopping around everywhere, and I guess they seem reasonable enough. One surprising, out-of-character (for Simon), "unrealistic" thing that I'm holding out for now is that Bubs somehow makes good. If Simon is giving us all of this hope for him now, with the news story and everything, just to kill him off, THAT is going to be some fan-alienating bullshit. Though the show's over anyway...who needs the fans? -
Hey thanks. I'm definitely still processing through it. Someone posted this over at the Facebook group page and I think it really hits a lot on the head and hearkens back a good bit on the 'legend' thing:
"TV Critic Alan Sepinwall already wrote previously that he thought Kenard or someone "unworthy" would kill Omar. He said about episode 8 recently (like a few minutes ago):
Because, as with The Sopranos, nothing on this show is accidental or extraneous. I knew Omar wasn't going to succeed in killing Marlo -- been there, did that with Stringer -- and the entire tone of his return to B'more storyline has been unglamorous and anti-legend. It just seemed apropos -- and very much in the Western movie spirit in which Omar is written (see "The Wild Bunch" or "The Gunfighter") -- that Omar would die at the hands of someone "unworthy" of killing him. And who's lower on the totem pole of the game than Kenard, who utters a line expressing complete disrespect for Omar's legend?"
If you listen to the commentary (or just watch) the episode where Brother Mouzone confronts Omar in the alleyway before they go in against Stringer together - it's shot/staged/scripted very "Old School Western" (and the commentary confirms that's what they were going for) --- these two almost 'mythic' figures squaring off...so then going back to the quote/analysis above, I found it very interesting and almost 'comforting' to read that this guy thought Omar going this way was like...yep, a Western again...where someone unworthy takes him out, because who was 'worthy' anyway - lots to process...and as hard of a time as I'm having with it, I'm coming around to seeing it as almost the one true way to do it... -
The Assassination of Omar Little by the Coward Kenard.
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Feb 20, 2008 7:00:34 AM CST
AINTITCOOLNEWS only moderates their talkback if the Lost writers
by santiagoatez
But no, they don't do shit if they don't hear from lawyers.
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Reynard can you post a link to the Sepinwall review for Ep 8? I can't find it on the Star Ledger page. Just viewer comments.
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over at the Facebook post is that it's something in a post/comment section over at his blog: http://sepinwall.blogspot.com/
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Yeah, you probably have a good point there. I guess I am just used to spoilers being everywhere now when you click on something in here.
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I don't mind the spoilers. IT'S A FUCKING TV SHOW. GET OVER YOUR SELVES GEEKS.
I love the show but damn, is ending anyway. Who cares if you know what happens now or in 3 weeks. By the way Gravy, whose Irish wake is it? -
McNulty's, I'd guess.
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You're an inconsiderate dick. But you knew that. Although it gave you a little instant sick enjoyment, you're still incredibly dissatisfied with your life, in general. And that gives me peace of mind.
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Either have talkbacks WITH mods, or don't have them, at all. AICN is a site dedicated to entertainment. Entertainment is for enjoyment. Talkbacks that ruin the entertainment of the very shows and movies to which they are dedicated take away from the enjoyment of the site. So, Herc, Harry, etc., make a decision: dedicate time to moderate talkbacks or scrap it. Avoid the clusterfuck that is now "Talkback".
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SERIOUS BUSINESS
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That FBI profiling scene was great. Brilliant episode. That Ol' Gravy fella caused a stir didn't he! And I think the links to Jesse James and No Country for Old Men are a little tenuous. If Kenard had said "dodge this' then it would've been like The Matrix.
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And damn, in spite of the 18 minute mark being pretty insane, the FBI profiler describing McNulty to a T, and at he end with his wife dressing him down were maybe even more fantastic moments. I'm avoiding these spoilers like the plague, but can someone say, WITHOUT spoiling, if 9 and 10 sound to be satisfying?
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Why would you ruin the surprise for others who would prefer to wait until the actual ep. aired? Does it give you some sort of joy or onimpotence? I would like to believe there's an unwritten code of ethics amongst us geeks that everyone would adhere to...That being said, MAY A THOUSAND RED ARMY ANTS CRAWL UP YOUR ASSHOLE AND NEST!
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