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Moriarty Wants To Know Why Ray Winstone Has Magic CGI Pants, And Suspects He Knows Who's To Blame!

Hey, everyone. ”Moriarty” here. So I don’t know if you heard or not, but there may be a trailer for a new INDIANA JONES movie out there now. Reactions have been passionate on all fronts, and you guys went Talkback Apeshit yesterday. I didn’t post the story, so I haven’t really commented on the trailer one way or another, and, frankly, I’m not sure I can sum it up in any sort of succinct manner. I think it’s sort of a mess as a trailer, setting aside the actual footage. It’s just paced strangely, and it doesn’t really sell the iconography of Indy in the right ways. But whatever. There is a more pressing issue than whatever the hell I thought of the trailer, and that issue is Ray Winstone’s magical CGI pants. My first thought was that he must have kept his wardrobe from BEOWULF, but then I realized that's fucking impossible. So... what is going on in this trailer? I have watched the shot that comes about a minute into the trailer over and over. It’s obviously been manipulated in some bizarre way, and it’s not just Winstone’s pants. It’s the pocket on Indy’s shirt, it’s the dudes in the background, and it’s the background itself. It’s all just hinkey. Seemed like a really weird choice to use as the reintroduction of Indiana Jones... a shot filled with dodgy CGI from one end of the frame to the other. As it turns out, Spielberg may not be the guy to blame for how strange that shot is. Instead, it may be the MPAA that forced the digital alterations to the shot. Why do I say that? Because of this image I found on the Message Boards earlier tonight.

What the hell? What am I? Four years old? At :40 seconds in, all those soldiers come running into frame. WITH MACHINE GUNS. How do we know? Well, because we can SEE THEM, and because we hear the sound of all of the guns being cocked at the same time. Guns established, MPAA. We now know they are there. Then a few shots later, we see the guns again. THEY ARE STILL THERE. And at :56 seconds, just to make sure we get the point, there’s the sound of a gun being cocked AGAIN. So we are reminded, “Hey, there are guns pointed at them!” Except... there aren’t. Not in the US version. Not really. And what we’re left with as our first glimpse in 19 years of this character that is so much a part of the film lives of a generation is this distracting, fuzzy, fucked-with image that will be fixed in the film anyway SO WHY DID YOU FREAKING BOTHER? I’m sorry. I just don’t understand. I’m going to call the MPAA today and Paramount as well and ask if anyone wants to comment, but I’m not sure I’m expecting anyone to actually address it. I’m sure Paramount and Spielberg did what they had to, and I guess under the circumstances, it’s as good as anyone could imagine. This sort of fix would have been impossible in the days before CGI, of course, but I don’t know that I think that’s a good thing. I hate that we are occasionally treated like fucking children by the MPAA, and that their excuse is always about protecting actual children. If you have to treat intelligent adult audiences this poorly on a regular basis to “protect the children,” I’d say you’re spectacularly shitty at your job and someone else should be given a chance to run the system. It’s been said before and said better, but it bears saying again: the MPAA is broken beyond repair, and the way they insult the consumers they are supposed to serve wouldn’t be allowed in any other industry. Can we get some verification from our international talkbackers? Can you guys look to see if your versions are different? And if they are... can a brother get a table dance? Give me some links to share. I’ll update this one if anyone feels like commenting on the record today, but for now, I’m just disgustipated. UPDATED! (3:30 AM) Someone just popped into our chat room: "[03:21:05] : Re: Indiana Jones trailer - not only are there guns in the international trailer, there is a US flag plastered over the US version. Naff version here." Thanks, Java. So let's check out the international version for the sake of comparison. Is this Spielberg's "Director's Cut" of the trailer? I'll update as the morning continues.

Drew McWeeny, Los Angeles

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  • Feb. 15, 2008, 4:38 a.m. CST

    Can we just throw the members of the MPAA under a truck?

    by IndustryKiller!

    No really, just drag them out into the street and shoot the worthless bastards. I'm only half joking.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 4:42 a.m. CST

    Hee Hee

    by Lost Jarv

    America is a funny place.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 4:42 a.m. CST

    Yeah, I saw that at CHUD too.

    by TattooedBillionaire

    What crap, but what do we expect from the MPAA?

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 4:47 a.m. CST

    How very sad

    by barnaby jones

    Gun crime is very obviously a major issue in America right now, but really, changing that shot (no pun intended) will never make any difference to some loon who's prepared to go out and shot people.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 4:49 a.m. CST


    by drew mcweeny

    ... I debated bringing yesterday's events in real life into the conversation in the article, but honestly... I think it's bullshit. I think trying to connect the two things (and I'm sure someone will try in an effort to refute my point) is specious and disrespectful to a real tragedy and to the very notion of escapist fare.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 4:56 a.m. CST

    We're in a new victorian age.

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    I blame Bush.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 4:56 a.m. CST

    HOLY FUCK. I thought something was weird

    by Pipple

    with his pants, but my lenses are foggy so I just shrugged it off. Good sluthing mo.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 4:57 a.m. CST

    At least they didn't CGI clown pants on Winstone

    by IAmMrMonkey!

    Because that would have been wierd. Sorry. I'm a bit drunk.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5 a.m. CST

    Hooray! Return of the threatening walkie-talkies!

    by half vader

    Because hiding something/sweeping it under the rug equips kids to deal with those things - that aren't there! <p> It's all the fault of computer games and comic books and movies and video nasties and...

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5 a.m. CST

    the fucking GERMAN version has the guns

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    The Germans are the guys who are supposed to be Nazis about censorship and everything. Afraid they'll spring back into being Nazi's at a moments notice I guess. This reminds me of old nintendo games. Bars becam cafes, coffee makes you dizzy and sleepy, crosses removed from churches and headstones, etc. Thinks for being my parents faceless corporation!

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:01 a.m. CST

    Thanks Mori

    by SuperSneaky

    The last thing I did before i left work last night was e-mail you guys about this. The first thing I see when I get in this morning? This! That's some pretty sharp work there soldier. Just don't point that gun at me *grins*

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:03 a.m. CST

    Are they going to magic the guns out of every trailer?

    by IAmMrMonkey!

    What about action movies? What will they do when they're advertising 3:10 To Yuma and movies like that? Perhaps the MPAA will force Hollywoood to stop making those movies all together?<p>Coming 2009:<p>Carebears The Movie<p>Natural Born Pacifists<p>Operah Winfrey Strikes Back (With Love)<p>The Empty Hands Of Navarone<p>The Last Non-Action Hero<p>No War. Just Peace.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:04 a.m. CST

    Oh and I support the Magic Pants on this one

    by Pipple


  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:05 a.m. CST

    So this is what delayed the trailer for so long...

    by Mr. Moe

    This is so depressing. The MPAA is seriously trying to invent ways to make itself seem useful. It's only going to get worse.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:07 a.m. CST

    Wow and I thought us Brits were paranoid about this....

    by Big_Bubbaloola

    kinda thing! Talk about over reaction. This coming from the nation that still insists on bearing arms or arming bears (copyright Robin Williams). I know not all of our colonial cousins are like that but, then again, i've visited Louisiana!

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:08 a.m. CST

    Agree About Trailer with Drew

    by Spacesheik

    The trailer had the elements necessary but they were integrated in a strange way. For a few nanoseconds there with the Indy flying on his whip, things looked great but then it went into camp CRUSADE territory, the trailer seemed to lack menace, the occult aspects seemed shrouded, there was a lack of grit, we wanted to see Indy riding a horse or playing the explorer, instead we got shots of him riding a truck with others, Cat Blanchett in a very CGI/80s sequence trying to run him off a cliff etc - I remember watching the TEMPLE OF DOOM trailer and it was all quick cuts and the foreboding John Williams Indy music, worked more effective than here, it built up to something, unlike this trailer. I have a theory concerning the Indy flicks, the more people/sidekicks he is surrounded with, the weaker the film and this looks like he has 3 or 4 running around with him - the best Indy flick will always be RAIDERS cause hes working alone, riding alone, fighting alone, etc -the tone of the trailer indicated a LAST CRUSADE tone, which is what I was afraid of. I wanted the original bloodied, gritty Indy of RAIDERS with more emphasis on the occult elements. I hope I am wrong in my assesment and the movie kicks ass but so far I havent seen anything that indicates we have another RAIDERS.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:11 a.m. CST

    if Indy had the gun

    by Kloipy

    I'm sure it would still be in the shot. Just imagine what a trailer would be like for Shoot em Up now. You'd probably think it was a romantic comedy

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:18 a.m. CST

    Guy who got...

    by half vader

    That was the worst pun ever... and then you pursued it!!!

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:20 a.m. CST

    More Yankee madness....

    by TheBoyFromUlster

    I agree Mori that you shouldn’t bring yesterday events into it but it is hard to not to shake your head as the 2 events are linked in some weird way, but I'll leave it to someone with more eloquence than myself to explain it. I just don't understand you Americans, it just seems that it is from one extreme to another with you. Your Government starts wars and you can own your own guns (If you see how we live now here in Northern Ireland compared to the hell we went through for 30 years you would get rid of all guns tomorrow) yet you are somehow, weirdly, trying to be protected from seeing a gun in an Indiana Jones Movie? I just don't know....

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:20 a.m. CST

    I'm not surprised by this...

    by cornponious

    but I am surprised they didn't turn his whip into a spider web or something similar.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:20 a.m. CST

    I'm not surprised by this...

    by cornponious

    but I am surprised they didn't turn his whip into a spider web or something similar.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:22 a.m. CST


    by darrenspool

    What are you Americans? Super-sensitive to your own infestation? Fuck off, twats. Just fuck off.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:23 a.m. CST

    Link to the unfucked-with trailer?

    by half vader

    Can't find the German one. Google gives me no love.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:24 a.m. CST

    I blame the evil monkey in Chris Griffin's closet

    by IAmMrMonkey!

    I truly believe that banana chomping bastard is behind most of the evil in this world. You Americans need to do something about him.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:25 a.m. CST

    If he pulls out a knife,

    by half vader

    You pull out a walkie-talkie. Eh Steve?

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:30 a.m. CST

    So is this just for the trailer?

    by the ageless stranger

    Or for the actual film? Cos it's stupid enough just doing it for the trailer, but if they're doing it for the film, then I'm going to lose a whole lot of the enthusiasm I gained from watching the trailer yesterday. And trying to keep guns out of an Indiana Jones movie? Why don't they just show two hours of Indy teaching archaelogy lectures, it'd be a lot safer.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:31 a.m. CST

    NOTE: MPAA pisses Americans off...

    by Mr. Moe

    We can't control what they do. They're fucking morons that watch too much BBC News.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:35 a.m. CST

    Sad. That's just pathetic and sad

    by EvilGeek1

    to think somebody got paid to do that! In an action/adventure movie filled with guns, whips and explosions. The nanny age is still here my friends. Excuse me while I get desensitized and shoot up a school with some old pants!

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:35 a.m. CST

    Paramount Advertising Whores

    by SuperSneaky

    Didn't someone find the MPAA document that confirmed the length of the trailer and that it had passed uncut? I'm sure it was linked in here recently. If true, does that mean Paramount were worried enough about the MPAA being fuckwits that they preemptively dropped the big bucks on that CG travesty to ensure a smooth run to a suitable for everyone trailer rating? Christ, and I remember when whole features like Gremlins and The Temple of Doom could scrape through with a PG. Although having said that, didn't The Berg put in a call to those nimrods just recently to make sure Transformers got a more family friendly rating? I guess he was just too busy this time, I mean, it's only Indiana Jones....

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:44 a.m. CST

    America is doomed.

    by chumpmonkey

    This ridiculous horseshit is indicative of a greater issue: the politics of this country in the years since 9/11 have fucked things up so unimaginably badly that I'm seriously considering moving to a country that doesn't do things like eliminate the guns from a fucking MOVIE TRAILER in order to "protect the people from themselves", all while dismantling the freedoms of its citizens. Inch by inch, the real America has eroded away to the pathetic mess we're left with today, and it's getting progressively worse. You want to know where things are going? Look at Germany in the early '30s. That's the US right now. I'm getting the fuck outta Dodge.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:45 a.m. CST

    Or even....

    by SuperSneaky

    This wasn't a trailer framing thing was it? I mean, as much as the confrontation gives the scene narrative (this has got to be the first pinch, no?), from a framing point of view, as a truncated 3 second clip from presumably a much longer shot, not having the guns gives you a far easier frame to digest, no?

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:45 a.m. CST

    Damn You Reality TV

    by DamnMichaelBay

    Hah, compromise of artisitic integrity so that a six year old won't see a gun is soooo 2010's...

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:48 a.m. CST

    If there was ever a reason to leave the country this is it

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    I don't know if it's tragic or what that I'm only being half sarcastic

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:53 a.m. CST

    Original was PG and they had bloody headshots..

    by sonnyfern

    Wow. I actually didn't notice any CG in the trailer, was too busy getting excited. But I mean, the MPAA is fucking ridiculous. We all know this. They're ass backwards. There are GUNS all over TV and Newsshows, there are guns in most cartoons, but Raiders had insane violence and that was PG was why the sudden change? Are kids today more delicate or something? I fucking doubt it...if anything they're more hardcore..ever play a video game before? It's insane, stupid and they should leave Indiana Jones alone. But this is really interesting stuff...

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:57 a.m. CST

    It's not that kids are more sensitive,

    by Lost Jarv

    It's that the MPAA have aged themselves, and grown more sensitive. <P>I saw "This Film is not yet rated" the other day, and I'll take a fucking huge bet that the vast majority of oxygen thieves that shouldn't be passing judgement that posed as censors in that film are still in place.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 6:04 a.m. CST

    It sucks, but...

    by Cartman86

    our films themselves don't get censored as much as some other countries. MPAA is weird though. With all the shit talked about the ESRB these days I am consistantly amazed at the job they do. So much better than the MPAA and other ratings boards around the world.

  • Where's the sense in that?

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 6:08 a.m. CST

    PS I still love the trailer...

    by sonnyfern

    despite this calamity I still think it's an incredibly nifty little teaser. I wasn't excited about the flick at all, but I am now, so it did a good job. And I know we like to argue about the merits of the Indy movies, but lets face it, even the worst Indy movie is better than 90% of the shit that comes out...

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 6:12 a.m. CST

    now we know

    by TheManBehindTheMask

    why it took so long to see this teaser...

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 6:15 a.m. CST

    So much talk about the guns

    by Flipao

    What about the fucking flag? <br> Jesus H Christ, how much more propaganda can they throw at us?

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 6:24 a.m. CST


    by newc0253

    I thought first 15 seconds or so of the trailer were silly - esp that flag waving.<p> Also why use the music from Children of Dune for the intro? Why not 'Well of the Souls'???<p> But once the Raiders march begins and the actual footage starts, i think the trailer works well from that point: at least it hits all the marks in a workmanlike way. It isn't a classic trailer, to be sure, but I've seen too many great trailers for films that fell short so I'm happy enough with what's been shown, i.e. it feels of a piece with the trilogy.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 6:25 a.m. CST

    I thought that flag looked strange.

    by beastie

    Hollywood is just pandering to the patriots. It's so obnoxious to be watching something and then there's this obvious pose of a main character in front of an American flag; Spiderman 3.<br>Anyway Primus made a really good point.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 6:27 a.m. CST

    oh, and removing the guns

    by TheManBehindTheMask

    also removes a lot of relevance to Indy's replica.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 6:30 a.m. CST


    by smorgasbord

    so they don't want the guns to be seen in the trailer, but it's OK to see them in the film?<p> Surely that's worse? If you kept the guns in, then at least the weirdos who would boycott a film with guns in would be able to make a choice.<p>Doing this just tricks them<p>Seriously fucked up.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 6:32 a.m. CST


    by smorgasbord

    considering this is from a country that allows children to watch all sorts of messed up shit in a cinema as long as they are with a "responsible" adult, then it's really fucking hypocritical as well.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 6:39 a.m. CST

    Spot on Mori

    by barnaby jones

    Its all just so backwards.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 6:40 a.m. CST


    by TheBoyFromUlster

    Completely agree, dunno what was up with the flag...Michael Bay eat your heart out!!...And why not the Well of the Souls music? That really would of got the juices flowing!....Johnny Williams can be be mentioned in the same breath as Beethoven or Mozart in my opinion. A Genius.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 6:41 a.m. CST

    Creepy and LostJarv

    by half vader

    Hey Creepy, beat ya to the punch (E.T. shenanigans). Twice. Guess you were drafting your manifesto. ;) Jarv beat you on This Film. Temple of Doom was PG not PG13 but yes it's generally accepted that both it and Gremlins brought about the PG13 rating. Cheers mate. <p> Jarv, I reckon the makers of "this film" should probably do a "7-up" and revisit it every few years to update the indefensible shenanigans.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 6:41 a.m. CST

    oh, and it won't be another RAIDERS

    by newc0253

    sorry to say, i'd love it if this film were another RAIDERS but it won't be. Not even TEMPLE OF DOOM (my 2nd favourite Indiana Jones film) is another RAIDERS.<p> The best we can realistically hope for is that it isn't as light and as jokey as LAST CRUSADE.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 6:43 a.m. CST

    After commenting on mpaa censorship....

    by Cagliostro

    Mori's gonna edit that "Can a nigga get a table dance" line? What am I? four years old? Man tha fuck up, nigga, smoke that shit.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 6:43 a.m. CST

    Half Vader

    by Lost Jarv

    That's a good idea, he should do. <P>Creepy is right though, there is a good film to be made about it, but This Film is not it. He had too much of a boner (pun intended) for sex being over-censored, and the second half of it was some weird stalking exercise.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 6:46 a.m. CST

    The Creepy Thin Man

    by just pillow talk

    I liked your rant. Thanks for the info. Fucking bastards, how fucking ridiculous.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 6:47 a.m. CST

    The Creepy Thin Man

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    Thanks for the history lesson thin man. And no I'm not being a sarcastic jackass, I mean it, I am now a more learned man on the subject of cinemas. I love hearing these bullshit stories about how corporations and capitalism have proven to be the death of the spirit of america. You should write that book. The town I live in, I was only able to see No Country For Old Men finally last fucking month. They only throw good movies like that on for a quick weekend months after they've been everywhere else. It's bullshit.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 6:49 a.m. CST

    The composition of the appeals board on the MPAA

    by Lost Jarv

    is fucking outrageous- it's just corporate censorship acting as a moral guardian. <P>It's ludicrous.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 6:51 a.m. CST

    International Trailer = Lot Better

    by Kragmose


  • Feb. 15, 2008, 6:54 a.m. CST

    So right about the lack of trailer magic

    by AllieJamison

    I absolutely agree with Mori (who can't on this issue), that thing is indeed a mess. Which is why you need to watch it at least 50 times in frame by frame mode to really appreciate the footage and get excited. (At least I did.) And concerning the magical pants, well, I guess every nations has its demons. They german trailer may have guns (I'm not entirely sure about that yet, though) and more stable pants but it completely lacks Harrison Ford's voice. Anyway, good to see this article.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 6:55 a.m. CST

    This coming from Spielberg who CGI'd

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    walkie talkies into the govt. agent hands in E.T. because he thought today's generation would be too pussified to handle the pistols. He also removed the "terrorist" line in the Halloween scene. That surprised me more so at the time considering Spielberg's jewish. You think he would want to leave the terrorist line in. Next update he'll put pants on E.T. so we don't see his little alien wang.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 6:56 a.m. CST

    Haha US censorship makes me laugh (and then feel bad)

    by Aethyrr

    Really people, how can you stand them?!

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 6:57 a.m. CST

    "so we don't see his little alien wang. "

    by Lost Jarv

    That would be a good thing, surely? Unless you really want to see some midget alien cock.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 7 a.m. CST

    Why do politicans cave so easily anyway

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    Throw them a little money and they bend over for you it seems. If I was some lawmaker and I was passing some law to make it so movie studios couldn't own movie theatres, and some movie studios gave me a bunch of money to change my mind, I'd take their money and fax them a giant picture of a middle finger, then spend that money to build my own theatre.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 7:09 a.m. CST

    Why are people so sure the MPAA is to blame?

    by Chewtoy

    This is the first glimpse of an iconic hero in a long time, and the American Military is *clearly* set in the villain roles in this trailer. I.E. taking the place of the traditional Nazis. Look how they chopped up the scene with the US military beating up Indy... We see the *end* of it first, with Indy picking up his hat, which comes across as patriotic with the waving flag introduction and then the shadow on the US Army truck. We then, (in America,) get a scene of Indy surrounded by the soldiers, but in a less-threatening way. The only actual aggression shown by US forces in the trailer is a super-quick cut, much later so that it doesn't immediately register as part of the same scene, of the backslap that knocked Indy's hat off to begin with. (Are the guns digitally lowered in this scene as well?) The whole thing has obviously been edited to confuse the idea that the US Military is being portrayed as the villains. (Which may be true of the actual movie, but it's not what that scene, shown in the correct sequence and unaltered, would suggest.) I'd say the odds are good that Speilberg or Paramount wanted the changes to keep from sparking a big Conservative backlash against the movie before it came out.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 7:12 a.m. CST

    100% Agreed

    by ScottinDC

    This trailer did nothing for me either...I'm hopeful the movie will be better than my expectations - but this trailer doesn't represent or embrace the tone of the Indiana Jones I know.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 7:19 a.m. CST

    ...and it's a realy poor, quickly done CG job

    by TheManBehindTheMask

    when you watch it in, man, the guy in the back has his gun "copy/past" with half of his body deconnected from his legs... No way this could last in the theatrical cut. Love the international cut.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 7:26 a.m. CST

    For Those Wanting to Leave America . . .


    Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. See ya!<br><br> That having been said, you'd think the original shot was full of gigantic penises. A gun barrel? Oh, my gosh! A gun barrel! I feel driven to crime. Than God the MPAA protected me from a gun barrel in the trailer! <br><br>Mysterious. Terribly mysterious. And, they can cut guns in half with their minds.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 7:28 a.m. CST

    Brit censorship

    by zacdilone

    US isn't the only one--remember the Obi-Wan head butt in "Attack of the Clones?"

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 7:31 a.m. CST

    actually in the UK

    by Lost Jarv

    a headbutt in a film used to guarantee an 18 rating. <P>But we wouldn't edit out guns from a trailer. That's just silly. At least I hope not.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 7:31 a.m. CST

    ManBehindTheMask is Right


    A mega-dodgy After Effects patch job. That's trailer only. Some cubicle jockey chained to his desk and paid with Jolt cola was given 24 hours to get it done. "You work at ILM, you worth piece of shit. This is your chance to prove yourself a man! Booyah!" Guaranteed.<br><br> "And if you dont' get it done . . . it's the hotbox for you."

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 7:33 a.m. CST

    Worthless Piece of Shit, I Meant to Say


    I'm familiar with corporate motivation techniques, I shouldn't have gotten that wrong.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 7:34 a.m. CST

    Can't put the toothpaste back in the bottle

    by Dashing Roger

    Movies and their trailers used to be raw and gritty and now, in this PC-run-amok, puritanical, regressive society, everything must be cleansed lest we be damaged by it (or sued over it). Because that will make everything okay. Right? <p> WRONG. TOO LATE. Gun violence in movies does not cause gun violence. Let's not hide it, let's not make ourselves afraid of it by obscuring the truth, like the Bush administration has done with every social and geopolitical issue our country has faced in the last 8 years. Education and confronting the TRUTH solves problems. Lucasfilm is a pussy sell-out (we already knew that) for allowing the armies of PC and social regression to dictate how he presents his "art." GL calls himself a filmmaker of the '70s?!? What a fucking joke...

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 7:39 a.m. CST

    I think the conclusion...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...that can be drawn from this is that if they had included the guns, this would have been a red band trailer. <p> How fucking pathetic and loathesome is that?

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 7:48 a.m. CST


    by Sailor Rip

    Fuck off. Yeah, the mpaa polled every American and asked us if we wanted the trailer censored and we agreed.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 7:52 a.m. CST


    by pubcrawler13

    OK, listen. For all of those talking about how this trailer manipulation represents the strangeness and/or hypocrisy of American culture, just stop. This decision boils down to ONE small group of people, the MPAA, for whom 99% of the American population has an intense hatred anyway. This is a group of crusty old men clinging to outmoded ideals and false piety. Yes it is strange and annoying but this doesn't represent American attitudes or beliefs. Please understand this.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 7:52 a.m. CST

    The Same Spielberg that replaced Guns with

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Walkie Talkies for the E.T. Special Edition? Now we get guns replaced with magic pants and pockets!

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 7:53 a.m. CST

    And furthermore...

    by DocPazuzu far as I'm concerned, Darth Vader ALWAYS HAD JAZZ HANDS!!!

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 7:55 a.m. CST

    I didn't think the MPAA was even relevant

    by Samuel Fulmer

    After the advent of Cable/DVD and that This Film has Not Yet Been Rated documentary from a few years ago. MPAA members are usually either studio shills, or borderline retards. I'm shocked that we saw a whip in the trailer. After all, it could be construed as condoning S&M behavior!

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 7:55 a.m. CST

    Very Weird


    Didn't really notice it but I watched JUMPER yesterday in the company of a lot of kids of all ages and they were all treated to a scene where Samuel L Jackson takes a big serated Rambo knife and slowly guts a helpless young guy hanging in a tree in broad daylight! Something you would only see in a Predator movie being shown to kids as young as three and four years old because 12A means that i'm able to take my newborn in!? now that makes no sense to me???

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 7:56 a.m. CST

    It's ET All Over Again... Walkie-Talkies

    by BojTrek

    They should have just CGI'd walkie-talkies in place of the guns...

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 7:58 a.m. CST

    The Flag footage in the trailer

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Was acidentally put in by Paramount. It's actually a shot from Michael Bay's next movie, Pearl Harbor II: Pearl Harder.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 8:01 a.m. CST

    Only gripe with the trailer was the Media Ventures intro music

    by KillaKane

    Should have been temped completely with William's scores, that does jarr somewhat contextually (cheesifies it with such primitive generic Hollywood music). Would have liked a bit more dialogue too, but I guess it was skewed towards action and sourced from what they had that could be pushed through post for the 1st teaser. Certainly think it retains it's Indy-ness, it's iconic and alludes to the first film particularly. Moriarty you're way too analytical, but then that's a geeks perogative to fixate on such minutae. Any way you slice it, this episode looks like it's well on track.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 8:02 a.m. CST

    Hey all...

    by thecheesegrommit

    I have nothing to say regarding the bullshit that is the mpaa (broken beyond repair) seems to sum it up nicely. What I wish to comment on is the sadness that is the dissecting of every single frame of as trailer using tech that didn't exist not to long ago. It sucks the fun out of what I found to be a magical trip back to my younger years via this trailer. Moriarty, from the get go it recalls the iconography from the past. The reintroduction of Indy being thrown to the ground is great because you can tell from the way he falls is Harrison's Indy inflections (i know that sounds weird but it's true) The subtle limp as he goes for his hat, now that's how I dissect a trailer, positively! I also love how they address Indy's age early on (Damn, I thought that was closer). This was an excellent trailor, not perfect but excellent! the end is some what choppy and it's a little too CGIee. Does any one else think the scene it the beginning in the warehouse is the films opening adventure?

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 8:05 a.m. CST

    I'm actually optimistic about the film

    by Samuel Fulmer

    I thought the trailer was fine. At least it looks like Indy's going to be doing some different stuff in this film. If I wanted a rehash, I'd pop in Last Crusade. It didn't blow me away, but that's okay. I was blown away with the trailer to Phantom Menace, and look how that one turned out.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 8:07 a.m. CST

    I Blame George Lucas

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    I don't know why but I just do.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 8:08 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    because Coke stopped paying placement fees. Nothing is real anymore. Reality is dead. Long live the new flesh.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 8:09 a.m. CST

    Mitt Romney has magic underwear

    by Luscious.868

    Mormon's rule!

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 8:12 a.m. CST

    "The subtle limp as he goes for his hat"

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Let the old guy Viagra jokes

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 8:14 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    You people deserve to be invaded.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 8:15 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    when he goes for that hat. Something wrong with that shadow.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 8:18 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    "Give him a ... cwanbehwy juice."

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 8:18 a.m. CST

    My God, SOUTH PARK called it...

    by SpyGuy

    Spielberg is digitally editing out guns and inserting an American flah into the CRYSTAL SKULL trailer? That means (shudder) the long-dreaded RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK: THE "SPECIAL" EDITION is on the way...

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 8:19 a.m. CST

    "an Amercian flah"?

    by SpyGuy

    Obviously I can't type for shit today. Sorry.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 8:22 a.m. CST


    by Samuel Fulmer

    Iran-Contragate, Monicagate, and now pantsgate! Shame on you Mr. Spielberg, shame on you!

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Don't apologise SpyGuy

    by Samuel Fulmer

    I'm a big fan of Flah's of Our Fathers.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 8:23 a.m. CST


    by Kloipy

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 8:24 a.m. CST

    that made the USA the shining beacon of Western Civilization

    by Lost Jarv

    erm, when was this? I think I missed the memo

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 8:24 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    In Irreversible, they CGI'd a penis INTO the rape scene. <p> FREEDOM FRIES!!!!!!

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 8:27 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Even the crackheads get a copy.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 8:30 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    It's a teaser that young kids can get access to watch. They're only trying, in some small way, to protect children in an age where a 9 year old can watch bukakke by just typing the word. So chill. There will be guns in the movie. Lots of bang bang, to be sure. Relax.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 8:31 a.m. CST

    It was a joke

    by Lost Jarv

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 8:34 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    We have sad excuses for leaders in this country. I think Bush is exponentially worse than Clinton by a long shot, but still, they're neither the best leaders suited for our nation if you step back and think about it. What I wouldn't give to have a Prez who is beyond reproach and considers himself a servant to the people instead of a king. And one who leads by moral example instead of hypocrisy and religious platitudes. Vote OBAMA!

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 8:37 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    And it has to do with two things: Hollywood and Madison Avenue. Both are the driving forces in proliferating Western culture to the world.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 8:43 a.m. CST

    A soldier walks by out of thin air at 59 sec mark

    by Mace Tofu

    Left side of screen he is invisible walking into frame then pops into shot from behind Magic pants at 59 sec mark. It's a COVER-UP!

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 8:49 a.m. CST

    RE: US = 21st Cen USSR

    by ICantBelieveIRegistered

    "God, I really hate this fucking place sometimes. Censorship, torture, corrupt government...we're like the 21st Century USSR."<br><br> If you really believe that then you know nothing about the former USSR. Your ability to make that statement proves the US isn't. You can walk down any street in the US and say that and no government agents will stops you. The people on the street may pointn and laugh, but that's their freedom of speech at work too. ;)<br><br> And yes, this whole thing of the missing guns disturbs me.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Um, this couldn't be a studio decision?

    by Mister Man

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 8:49 a.m. CST

    The Shining trailer

    by Kloipy

    did you guys ever hear about the story when Kubrick made the trailer for the Shining? He was told that he wasn't allowed to have blood coming out of the elevator in the trailer, but he told them, i think it was just rust-colored water, and they allowed it to stay in

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 8:50 a.m. CST


    by BurgerTime

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Wasn't it SS who, himself, removed guns from ET?

    by Mister Man

    He's lambasting China about the Darfur, so maybe he doesn't want to sell Indy with gun "shots"??

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 8:51 a.m. CST


    by BurgerTime invisible kind of censorship that we'll never even know about until someone spills the beans much much later. A very slippery slope indeed.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 8:52 a.m. CST

    erm, Node?

    by Lost Jarv

    read the TB. This has been covered. <P>It wasn't that insightful- he got overly hung up on the sex, especially homosexual sex, and then the second half of it was pretty much an exercise in stalking.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 8:52 a.m. CST

    Also at 1:11 a grip can be seen waving a light

    by Mace Tofu

    reflected in the broken windshield glass on the right side of the shot... : )

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 8:54 a.m. CST


    by newc0253

    this is about MPAA hysteria about guns, not about the relative merits of US vs Soviet Hegemony.<p> get with the frakking programme already.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Strangely, I like the crappy quality UK trailer better

    by rev_skarekroe

    It's not just the guns. It's the fact that it doesn't look overpolished like the US Quicktime version. Also, those temp SFX blow.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Just curious, is my post visible?

    by Mister Man

    A friend can't see my comments - weird.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Another oddity from trailer...

    by jones1899

    Harrison Ford's lips don't move right when he says "Not as easy as it used to be." As for the guns, this trailer was attached to Spiderwick, a kids moves, they wanted to avoid possible bullshit so just nipped it in the bud. No big deal really. BTW, I think the trailer was pretty damn great. I can't describe how freakin excited I was when I saw that first shot of Indy picking up his hat. Then the whip swing on the run!! Awesome. The "Damn, I thought that was closer", well...not my favorite part. Think it should have been simply "thought that was closer" or even just a crooked clumsy smile to the baddies, but what ever. Raiders (my favorite movie of all time) had some cheesy spots too. These movies are supposed to be fun, with enough character and seriousness to care about it all. I'm pumped and hopefully the full trailer will be attached to something other than a kids movie.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 9:11 a.m. CST

    you fucking people

    by t40stunt

    need to get a life . its a trailer for a movie . oh shit man ...censorship at its worst . why don't you try doing something meaningful with your lives instead of picking apart the little shit with your finger on the pause button . its really fucking lame . at 1:49 in the trailer Indy flips you all the fuck off . catch that shit ?

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Find it funny...

    by jones1899

    That nobody has really said much about Ford's age. Why? Cause he looks great!

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Other things I've noticed...

    by jones1899

    Indy actually only uses his whips once. (I thought upon first viewing that it was more. Also when he is dodging bullets through the crates, he is coiling his whip back up. (didn't notice this first time) The soldier in the beginning has his whip around his shoulder. ok I noticed this the first time, but its cool.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 9:18 a.m. CST


    by Rando Calrisian

    That's some funny shit, man. <br> <br> Looks like Indiana Jones to me! Can't wait.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 9:19 a.m. CST


    by Ray Gamma

    ...with a gun you legitimately bought within you rights, but you're not allowed to watch a comic-book movie hero using a gun. </P> <P> America is the stupidest country on Earth.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 9:24 a.m. CST

    At least it's a 48-star flag...

    by John Maddening

    ...stupid Alaska and Hawaii...

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 9:30 a.m. CST

    The penis doesn't exist in American cinema

    by gruntybear

    Or hadn't you noticed? Guns pretty much = penis. Therefore, no guns. It's not really that much of surprise. Welcome to the America you voted for - all safe for 5-year olds, all the time.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 9:31 a.m. CST

    What about the soldiers who get blown up?

    by Mosquito March

    We watch a couple of guys fucking get killed in the middle of the trailer when the explosion goes off. If you freeze it, you can actually see the guy in the right disintegrate. How can THAT make it into the trailer, but not a few submachine guns that aren't even being discharged?

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 9:32 a.m. CST

    It is not OK to shoot students

    by Mace Tofu

    Only dumbass fucktards do shit like that. When I was younger kids would walk around with real guns ( mostly 22s ) and we never shot at people because we knew our Fathers would kick our asses. Many countries use very small children in their armys against their will. you can't compare an ass who can't handle his "feelings" so he shoots up his school with the millions of Americans who know how to control their gun use.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 9:33 a.m. CST


    by t40stunt

    just trying to lighten shit up man . i agree looks like Indy to me and its going to fucking rock with or without guns pointed . and bring on the american flag version .

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 9:36 a.m. CST


    by JLo III

    Isn't this a South Park episode. I really think it was. Something like Lucas and Speilberg are using CGI to take all the guns out of Raiders and the kids have to watch it.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Moriarty going all SHERLOCK HOLMES on this place!!

    by SkidMarkedUndies

    Awesome work.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 9:38 a.m. CST

    I've seen the PENIS in an American movie

    by Mace Tofu

    It was called TERMINATOR 2 Robert showed off his T-1000 penis in it. Gere showed his off in AMERICAN GIGOLO too. You need to watch more American movies... did you see the BROWN BUNNY?

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 9:43 a.m. CST


    by moviemaniac-7

    The flag in the Us version. The absence of guns. Just saw them back to back. It is strange. I thought the flag to be annoying (until now I only saw the Yahoo US version), but it must have been a leftover from the opening and closing shots for Saving Private Ryan.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Boogie nights, Wild Things

    by Lost Jarv

    I think the point is that none of these made it into the preview. <P>

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 9:48 a.m. CST

    no more Brown Bunny talk! Please!

    by Kloipy

    what a piece of shit movie

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Wow, penis in 5 whole movies spanning 28 yrs

    by gruntybear

    Yeah, it's a veritable sausage-fest out there in the cineplex. Whereas tits are in every second scene, the cock gets shown - what? for a nanosecond once a season. Heaven forbid it be engorged, because some poor innocent's head might explode at just the sight of something so FUCKING NORMAL. Just more testament to the ongoing puritanism urged by the religious right to scrub our media clean of sexuality.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 9:50 a.m. CST

    This is GOOD news!

    by Billy Batts

    When I saw the footage I thought it was Spielberg pulling a Lucas and combining takes with CG because he didn't bother to get it right on set. The fact that they were erasing guns just for the trailer calms me down a LOT.

  • Anyone who sponsors the V-Chip has to be down with the MPAA's shenanigans. Think of the children who might be exposed to such questionable material!

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 9:55 a.m. CST

    the penis isn't very cinematic

    by Kloipy

    but if I ever make a film gruntybear, I promise I will have a scene where the protagonist talks a walk through 'dick forest'. Also, we never get enough female rectum shots. mostly ass, never the hole. We need to put an end to this butthole paranoia. Ladies be proud of your hole, let it stand free!

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 9:56 a.m. CST


    by Abin Sur

    So the religious right still likes tits and ass? Dude, that may be hypocritical, but it sure as heck ain't puritanical. And let me also vote for even LESS dick in the movies.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 9:56 a.m. CST

    takes a walk not talks a walk

    by Kloipy

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Conspiracy, we can't watch the Teletubbies...

    by Abin Sur

    The purple one is gay, remember? No way that makes it past the guv'mint.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 9:59 a.m. CST

    the female anatomy is more photogenic

    by Kloipy

    it's a beautiful thing. The soft curve of the breast, the ridgid defiance of the nipple, the cusp of a nubile labia. Take for example, Kathy Bates in About Shmidt, cinematic gold. Whereas a man has a floppy Willy Loman, just waiting to run into a coffee table.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 10:02 a.m. CST

    I was wondering whay Indy remained worried in that shot...

    by -=Shin=-

    It certainly takes down the percieved threat level. Indy's not supposed to be worried about some guys standing around...

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 10:03 a.m. CST

    there is nothing Aesthetically pleasing about THE BATES

    by Lost Jarv

    there's lots frightening, but nothing pleasing.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 10:04 a.m. CST

    But it's good that they didn't replace them with walky talkies

    by ELGordo

    As Spielberg did all on his own on E.T.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 10:04 a.m. CST

    that's where the grease comes in Jarv

    by Kloipy

    it's like a siren

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 10:07 a.m. CST

    pheromenes that are known to attract

    by Lost Jarv

    chubby chasers and, weirdly, ants.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Wow...that's just insane

    by kwisatzhaderach

    I'm speechless. Looking forward to the real story behind this.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 10:10 a.m. CST


    by Dr.Poots

    You know, I'm getting just a bit tired of all the "I just don't get you Americans" bullshit I getting from some of the talkbackers here. You are posting to a site run by Americans who are outraged at the change. Americans didn't do this - a small and timid group of people (possibly the MPAA, I'm not certain) did this. Most Americans couldn't care less that guns were being pointed at the main character. Before you go on about how odd Americans are, I would challenge you to find an unflinchingly shining element of your country's history or culture that makes you any better. HINT: If your country lies anywhere withing the confines of Africa, Antarctica, Asia, Australia, Europe, or South America, you already lose.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 10:25 a.m. CST

    you know what's funny about geeks?

    by cloudrider`

    you overreact to every tiny little thing. so, the guns are taken off, so what? it's a very very short teaser. doubtful the cgi in the final movie will look that amateurish. so the power-that-be decide to be sensitive to the victims of the shooting, and you guys cry and moan about the mpaa. <p>sometimes, you know, just sometimes, i can understand why people hate americans. you are waaaaaayy waaaaaaaaayyyy too pampered.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 10:29 a.m. CST


    by PezQ

    ..Nice job, sport! You named all the continents! You must one of them smart Americans i hear so little about. OR you just know how to use Google...Just kidding :D *runs away*

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 10:31 a.m. CST

    I would rather see American dick than British teeth...

    by Abin Sur

    ...and I'm straight as an arrow. You English should really do something about that.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 10:31 a.m. CST

    it's written by david koepp

    by cloudrider`

    if you want to be angry, be angry about that. you guys rag on hack directors all the time, you must miss the hack writers. frankly i fail to see what spielberg see in the guy, ke kept using him to write his films. <p> the guy wrote one mediocre screenplay after another and he kept getting hired by spielberg. and THAT, more than anything make me worry about the film.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Who looks at an old man's crotch during a trailer?

    by BrowncoatJedi

    To the people who originally noticed this: what were you doing??? I've watched it over and over and I can barely tell. Get a life, or at least go look at Brad Pitt's crotch instead.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 10:47 a.m. CST

    The reason for the flag - a speculation

    by ArcadianDS

    is that it establishes that the convoy you're about to see on a dirt road is American, and is driving somewhere in America. Without the flag, its just a line of trucks on a dirt road - who are they ,where are they.<p> its a retarded non-issue to whine "ZOMG THEY CGIED A US FLAG IN FOR NOE REASONZ!" Maybe you guys should telephone Harlan Ellison and get him to rant all over this non-controversy.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 10:49 a.m. CST

    let's all rally and burn the MPAA down

    by cloudrider`

    riiiight... or maybe mory should pick a more worthwhile cause to fight for. frankly, this is too stupid to rag about.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 10:51 a.m. CST


    by Proman1984


  • Feb. 15, 2008, 10:51 a.m. CST

    let's all rally and burn the MPAA down!!!

    by cloudrider`

    riiiight... or maybe mory should pick a more worthwhile cause to fight for. frankly, this is too stupid to rag about.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 10:59 a.m. CST


    by Frankenbastard

    Once again the rest of the world gets a better trailer version for a movie that was produced… HERE. Of course they took the soldiers out, we can’t look like bad guys to ourselves anymore, that would be terrible. What a fucking joke. Guys, boycott the shit out of this movie till they get it right and stop treating us like idiot morloc slaves.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 11:09 a.m. CST

    This makes me fucking sick.

    by scudd

    I would like to apologize to the rest of the world on behalf of the last few free thinking Americans left. This type of bullshit does not represent all of us.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Big deal out of nothing- lets talk trailer!!!

    by hegele

    Alright, i understand why it is a pressing issue. But let me ask you this- did anyone really notice the first time they watched the trailer? Then it doesn't matter. The trailer itself was great. His introduction, the action, Cate, Ray, and our man Ford look wonderful

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 11:17 a.m. CST



    For all you freaks out there who just have to see Mr. Johnson getting some quality screen time go watch SIDEWAYS. Good grief what's going on when we're more gay than the French? (I'm just being facetious of course).

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Now I'm glad I haven't watched it yet.

    by TheContinentalOp

    I was waiting to see it in the theater the way God intended, not on a fuzzy little computer screen. Not that I particularly care what the MPAA does to the trailer, as long as they leave the goddamn movie alone.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 11:24 a.m. CST

    the cast in that shot were given "conceal & carry" permits...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    ... how very american - wow this is pathetic - maybe paramount, under pressure, will remove all guns from all of their movies - maybe they can retro fit the entire Indy series - what a bunch of pussies - were the shooters in the last 2 weeks events Indy fans? - did they claim this in their manifestos? - there were 3 or 4 events in the last 2 weeks involving shootings, including the most recent at that college - and they wont be the last ones - i guess hollywood should just just shut down in the event that more shootings will occur - hegele, i didnt notice until now - my eyesight aint that good anyway and i still liked the trailer - but knowing what i now know, it bugs the shit outta me - seeing a few machine guns in a movie trailer isnt going to set off any shooting spree

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Director's Cut: Indy v. Swordsman

    by DonnyUnitas

    *guy swings sword*....*Indy waves*....*guy falls down*

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Missing on aicn: perspective

    by systemsbroom

    There appears to be CG manipulation of a few seconds of a trailer to remove guns *potentially* for a purpose (so muses Moriarty) involving the MPAA, and half of you people are freaking out about the impending (or already realized) downfall of US/Western culture. <P> This has nothing to do with censorship, or the lack of "free-thinking Americans." This is a nearly invisible change to an advertisement for what is, at end, a piece of fluff entertainment (although perhaps one that many hold dear). There are real problems and real controversies out there whose implications actually affect peoples' lives. Turn your ire and energies towards them. Although the eagle eyes and sleuthing demonstrated here are worthy of praise, focusing any more than interested curiosity on this is asinine.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Settle down, Node...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...what's your problem, anyway?

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Mace Tofu - that "magic soldier" IS weird

    by finky089

    but, I guess i nlight of all the CGI shenanigans, we shouldn't be surprised. <p> Still, kudos on catchign that.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 11:35 a.m. CST

    International Trailer - anybody got a different link???

    by finky089

    I can't access the site Mori linked to here at the office. Danke to anyone who can help!

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 11:37 a.m. CST

    the cheese grommit

    by monorail77

    Well said.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Nosferatu Jones, excellent points...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    i hope youre right - i will admit, the guns do draw a lot of attention in the unaltered version of the shot - this fact supports your point - but it can also support Moriarty's suspicions - the guns almost takeover the shot and are all pointed at our hero - i can see someone in power getting cold feet over such a shot in light of recent events - sometimes pointing a bunch of guns at some unarmed fellas is more menacing than seeing a bunch of guns fired in the course of some mayhem

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Nosferatu Jones...

    by Brians Life

    What are you basing your astute assessment on? Your gut?

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 11:45 a.m. CST

    let's all take a quick breather

    by Kloipy

    and chill out

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 11:48 a.m. CST

    systemsbroom, the point is....

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    no amount of censorship wil make the worlds real problems go away - altering art (yeah, i called this art) in any form in an attempt to pacify some feared reaction to it is, historically, part of the problem - part of why the worlds problems are such as they are - and why some of the worlds real problems never go away - fudging around with a movie or book will not keep anyone safe from the world - just like frisking old ladies for tubes of hand lotion at the airport wont - its all cosmetic - its meant to make us (america) appear responsible, when in reality we are far from it - and that has little to do with the movies we watch - there are countries that ban movies like this and outlaw certain books yet condone public stonings - lifes full of choices - so whats the point

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 11:48 a.m. CST

    but still Fuck the MPAA

    by Kloipy

    I mean everything in this trailer cuts so fast you can hardly tell what's going on. IF it wasn't for that picture yesterday, I wouldn't have seen the Area 51 box, but then again, I didn't pause the trailer and review it 18 times

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 11:49 a.m. CST

    The following post has been approved for All Audiences

    by BrandLoyalist

    The talkback it appears in has been rated NC-17 as ever. Maybe the guns had to go to get the MPAA "All Audiences" rating we see before previews, since young children in the US just aren't used to seeing guns pointed at people. I'd say it's as likely that the big wavy flag was removed from the int'l version as added to the US version; our reputation abroad isn't what it used to be since about 2003. Not a big ticket seller. Guess we'll see whether there turns out to be an actual big wavy flag segue shot in the movie. Mongolian Cluster Fuck. Oops, that just slipped out - there goes my All Audiences rating.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 11:54 a.m. CST


    by Dr_Ian_Malcolm

    ...if you think that trailer was a "mess" with strange pacing and a lack of efficient iconography, then you are more of an idiot than I originally thought. That is all.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Well for one thing pansies…

    by Frankenbastard

    You see this is how it starts. “oh it’s just a little tiny thing, nothing big” Well, what if it were a thousand little tiny things like this that happen every fucking day…wake the fuck up! I was once talking to my sister about how Blockbuster censors their movies. Yea that’s right, you see Blockbuster won’t carry some films so they tell distributors “if you cut this, this, and that out we’ll stock it on our shelves” Of course distributors cow down for the almighty dollar but that’s another story. So my sister says, well if they cut this and that out and I never knew it was there to begin, with what does it matter? What does it matter? It’s censorship you ass! They took the directors original vision and changed it to their liking or to protect us or to protect our children. But the worst part is that it was censored…now…in 2008! What bugs me the most is that that particular part was cut out of the American version. You remember America? Do ya? Remember US? You people that live here in the states and throw a blind eye make me sick.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 11:57 a.m. CST

    do you guys think that if someone steals the skull

    by Kloipy

    from Indy, that he will be 'skull fucked"?

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 12:01 p.m. CST


    by Kloipy

    I remember the US, and how they turned a blind eye to the government that lied about WMD's to get into a needless war and people didnt do shit about it. But I draw the line at taking out a .2 second clip of guys with guns out of an Indiana Jones movie trailer. Fucking disgusting!

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 12:05 p.m. CST


    by ArcadianDS

    When I was a young writer cranking out brilliant literature and selling it to 'pictureless comic books' for a few bucks, It dawned upon me that the problem with America is not that we have too many guns, but that we have too many pictures of people holding them. So shortly after my inspirational fit of making a tv character say a bad word and telling Desi to go swim back to his greasy hole in Havana, I decided that I would issue another of my many angry little edicts: no more pictures of people holding guns.<p> You will note that not one of my blockbuster novels written in the previous five years had any pictures of people holding guns on the cover.<p> Sorry I've just been informed that I have actually NOT written any blockbuster novels in the past five years, and possibly the past fifty. This alone makes me a cranky old geezer. All you young union writers need to GET OFF MY LAWN DAB NABBIT! Gene actually insisted that Kirk use the words 'dab nabbit' and I told Desi - stop being a stupid moron and tell your drunk wife to s top climbing my fence and running around my back yard in her underpants asking for a cigarette.'<p> Please distribute this to anywhere you want - I can't get a publisher to distribute ANYTHING I wrote for the past 15 years, so maybe this will help make me relevant again.<p> Lastly, DAMN YOU L RON HUBBARD!

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 12:06 p.m. CST

    JimmyJoe RedSky

    by systemsbroom

    my point isn't that censorship isn't a problem (although I would argue with your sweeping statements about "the world's problems" and their causes), it's that the relationship between changes in this *piece of advertising* and anything of any consequence is vanishingly small. And that there are big problems and issues out there (you touched on one with your example of the old lady and the lotion) that better warrant people's attention. <P> On a deeper level, what people are engaging in on this board is a lot of very unreflective thinking along the lines of: "Censorship is always really bad. Removal of guns from a trailer for a movie might be censorship. Ergo, there is something really bad about this trailer!", which is nonsense. It's commercial advertising, and even setting aside the fact that the people who put this together make all sorts of selections of material and composition choices in order to appeal to the consumers they are targeting (which might mean eliminating a US flag in overseas ads, for example), even if this were censorship of the most egregious kind, so what? This is an advertisement whose sole purpose is to get you to buy a ticket to see this movie. <P> You can't simply call something art, call some manipulation of that art censorship, and thereby elevate the incident to some level of extreme importance when the underlying effect on anything real is negligible.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Nosferatu Jones makes good points

    by monorail77

    I would not be surprised at all if this were merely an aethetic decision because its the first "reveal" of Indy in the trailer. Also, Miss Teen North Carolina should be called upon to orate upon thie situation of U.S. Americans who sadly have a lack of pointed guns, and such.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 12:13 p.m. CST


    by systemsbroom

    Slippery slope arguments are only relevant if you can demonstrate some pathway and some likelihood that that pathway will be followed whereby the negligible ill will progress into a consequential ill. <P> And then of course, if you are acting rationally, you discount the potential future consequential ill by the likelihood that it will never be realized and *then* you compare it with all the bad shit that is *actually happening* in the world, and make some sort of decision about which problem to turn your attention to. If you really think that this movie-trailer cgi gun issue is worth your attention and effort, and all the hyperbolic stuff getting spouted around here, then I'd say your judgment is rather questionable.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 12:18 p.m. CST


    by systemsbroom

    tip of the hat to you.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 12:19 p.m. CST


    by Kloipy

    thank you sir

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 12:22 p.m. CST

    I KNEW I shouldn't have bought a Springfield XD-9 yesterday..

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    Somebody goes crazy and guns down people in Illinois and the Indy trailer gets edited...WTF.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Awww systemsbroom…

    by Frankenbastard

    You really had me cheering for ya and nodding my head yes till you used the term “bad shit” then you lost me. You just came off eloquently retarded, as if you copied it off the fine print of a Nintendo Wii users manual. I’m guessing you’re a rep for Blockbuster. But what do I know I think censorship of any kind is evil. Wait till they try to ban your porn then it will make a difference huh? I’m one of those nuts that wants to fix all the “bad shit” in the world.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 12:29 p.m. CST


    by Frankenbastard

    I was one of those free thinking weirdo’s that thought the war was maybe just a tad bit of an overkill and a terrible thing.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 12:29 p.m. CST


    by ArcadianDS

    Clearly the Illinois gunman was watching the international trailer yesterday afternoon, and it caused him to do such horribad things.<p> Oh save us Industrial Lights Thats Magic! Save us from our potential for evil with your Magical Lights - thats INDUSTRIAL!

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Who Cares?

    by Ratphink

    I don't really care much as it's just a trailer. I think things get manipulated all the time in trailers to generate interest in a film. How many times have scenes cut from films been in trailers? Now, if it appears this way in the theatrical release, that's another story, as the Euro trailer doesn't have this problem.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 12:30 p.m. CST

    My new favorite talkback game:

    by Dwide Shrewd

    Enter a search string for naughty words and count them. So far in this TB, "fuck" and derivations thereof has been used 63 times. Not bad. "Cunt", on the other hand, has only been used 3 times. Come on, you fucking cunts, Jane Fonda wants more of that cunty goodness!

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 12:31 p.m. CST

    yeah I thought that way too Frankenbastard

    by Kloipy

    but I got more upset over the war than I did about guns being removed from a movie trailer. I know blockbuster censors their movies, so I choose not to rent from them, simple as that. Some people just don't give a fuck though so they will rent from it. I'm not for censorship but there are a lot more important things to be upset about that actually deserve our time to fight about

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 12:33 p.m. CST

    fucktastically full of cuntified coolness...

    by just pillow talk

    that's what I hope for this movie.<p>Do I get bonus points for using both Dwide?

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 12:34 p.m. CST

    oh fucktastically

    by Kloipy

    what a wonderful cunting phrase. cunts taints cunty ass cunt fucks and cunts

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Agreed Kloipy

    by Frankenbastard

    100 percent. I like ya man.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 12:38 p.m. CST


    by Frankenbastard

    Well said Ratphink. We'll just have to see. Hey man want to go see it when it comes out?

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 12:38 p.m. CST

    systemsbroom, this is a movie site...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    ... thats why we are talking about this stuff - i get even more annoyed when it comes to more pressing issues (in the world) - no one is comparing this to "all the other bad shit in the world" as you say - obviously, there are more pressing issues - you are free to go talk about them on another website - you said... "You can't simply call something art, call some manipulation of that art censorship, and thereby elevate the incident to some level of extreme importance when the underlying effect on anything real is negligible." - sure i can - it is art, the manipulation is censorship (the proof is in the fact that europe didnt remove the guns), it is "important" because the "underlying effect" is on the "real" issue of not addressing a problem responsibly - rather, pretending to by shoving the american flag in our faces and erasing a few guns form a picture

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 12:41 p.m. CST


    by Rickey Henderson

    So Paramount's film trailer editing team makes a change to frame Indy, and Moriarty goes apeshit. Am I getting this right? How about some serious complaints? You know, about how the CGI in that cliffside car chase looks a like an awful videogame?

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Harry made the wrong choice, and here's why...

    by BGDAWES

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Kloipy, no shit...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    "there are a lot more important things to be upset about that actually deserve our time to fight about" - yeah, but not in a talkback about the suspected censorship of guns from an Indiana Jones trailer - considering what this site is about, i think this is news worthy and deserves some attention - or am i nuts?

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 12:43 p.m. CST

    JimmyJoe RedSky

    by Kloipy

    what we were saying is that, because of the fact that people have seemed to do little to nothing about some of the crazy shit that goes on in this world, it's almost a puny worthless fight to get so upset over a second worth of guns in a shot. I'm just saying we should pick our battles wisely. Especially when we have such a large forum to maybe get people interested in standing up for something that is worth standing up for

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 12:47 p.m. CST

    do you really think that Lucas or Spielberg just

    by Kloipy

    let this happen without any knowledge of it? If the MPAA told them they couldn't put the guns in there, they could have said "No, i won't risk my artistic freedom just to appeal to you" but in fact if the MPAA told them they couldn't have the guns in and then they went and took them out, than you know who to place the blame on. IF you want to sit around and talk about the merits of your 'art' then by God you should stand up for them no matter what

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Again, I agree with Nosferatu Jones

    by monorail77

    Well put, again. It just doesn't add up to censorship or an overly protective MPAA or studio when you look at the trailer as a whole. Its all about context, I think. I'm glad they made the CGI edits for 2 reasons: 1: It likely made the Indy reveal more striking. 2: "CGI Pants" is now a hilarious internet phenomenon, right up there with "Muthafuckin Snakes on a Muthafuckin Plane" and "Its a Lion, Its Huge"

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 12:53 p.m. CST

    One trailer to rule them all...

    by Frankenbastard

    Look, just make one trailer and give it to the entire world. How hard is that?

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 12:54 p.m. CST

    at least

    by Stevie Grant

    they didn't replace the guns with walkie-talkies

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 12:55 p.m. CST

    what's the big deal?!

    by RustyStardust

    my god, talk about nit picky. indiana jones is back! and, all you can talk about is cgi pants?! snoooooze....

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Not a good trailer.


    It accomplished the absolute minimum. It made me smile. I didn't get up and start screaming and jumping around the room. I wish it made me do that. I didn't really notice the CGI even after reading this article, but whatever. I'm still looking forward to the movie, but the concept just seems kind of tired now. But I still smiled when that theme music kicked in. How could anyone not?

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 12:57 p.m. CST


    by Frankenbastard

    Dude the word pants is the greatest fucking word in the English language, it always has been. I think “Who died and made you Mr. censored pants” would have been a better title though. One of the best lines in the Terminator is “that son of a bitch took my pants”. Don’t believe me, just watch it and try not to smile.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 1 p.m. CST

    Walkie Talkies

    by Frankenbastard

    Shit i forgot about that Stevie Grant. And we saw how the public came out in droves to see the re release of ET huh? Hmmm the plot thickens.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 1:10 p.m. CST


    by heyscot


  • Feb. 15, 2008, 1:20 p.m. CST


    by gutogmga

    Here it´s the link for the international/ portuguese subtitled trailer: Yeah, it´s true. There are some differences between the US and international version. Mainly the guns and the big american flag -the flag would automaticaly create a negative feeling towards the movie in many countries. Sorry, but it´s true.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 1:22 p.m. CST


    by Embeedeuce

    You're such a hater. (j/k)

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 1:23 p.m. CST

    See, THIS is what happens when ppl bitch about TEMPLE OF DOOM

    by Mike_D

    we get shitty CGI movies with the guns taken out.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Well, Node...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...if you're going to act like a shit, then I'll gladly treat you like one.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 1:28 p.m. CST


    by Mike_D

    curtousy of the studio.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Re: Nosferatu Jones

    by xavier masterson

    "2) Why do they digitally INSERT a gun into the hands of a soldier in the background, after taking them out of the foreground?" ----They didn't. Look at the unedited picture. He has a gun POINTED at Jones and Winstone in the unedited version. In the changed version they sloppily inserted a gun being held away from them. That's the "smoking gun" that points to that shot being changed specifically because of the guns being pointed at them. Otherwise, I see no reason to change the position of the gun being held by the background soldier on the left since it doesn't obscure the foreground of the shot.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 1:30 p.m. CST


    by Embeedeuce you really think they're gonna let you put out a whole movie just about tits?" "Sure. Who doesn't like tits?"

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 1:34 p.m. CST

    This movie will have no balls

    by performingmonkey

    This is going to be the ROTJ of the Indy series. Beyond the realms of self-awareness and totally pussified.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Dammit, someone stole my Walkie Talkie joke

    by TallBoy66

    I don't want to use this walkie talkie.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 1:40 p.m. CST

    It was a Fucking Teaser for Christ's Sake

    by TheLastCleric

    Teasers are by definition small snippets of footage that basically serve to wet the appetite. As teasers go it was pretty damn good and the iconography that Mori claims was absent is actually there in spades. Some of you have reached a point in your useless fucking lives that all you have is venom and spite; you think your incessant shit-talking makes you intellectually superior or, at the very least, elevates your taste in film but in reality most of you come off as joyless fucks who want to spread misery. Mori’s pedantic little critique will no doubt pave the way for the hate-filled fucktards to spew more bile but most of us hopefully can sit back and have the time of our collective lives. And Mori, I actually like your contributions here and I really enjoyed both of your Masters of Horror episodes but you need to lighten the fuck up a bit because you’re beginning to sound like Devin over at Chud and he is easily one of the biggest and most pretentious assholes in the Northern Hemisphere.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 1:40 p.m. CST

    I love it! This single image has single-handedly killed this mo

    by zillabeast

    Americaaaa, fuck yeah!

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 1:41 p.m. CST

    It's the MPAA

    by Toulon

    there are VERY weird and strict rules for trailers and print ads, and one of them is that no weapon can be directly pointed at the intended victim . . . this includes knifes, guns, whatever. It's fucking stupid, but it is a HARD rule . . . you can intercut shots of the weapon and the victim, but they can't be in the same frame.<p>Just one more thing to hate about the MPAA.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 1:46 p.m. CST

    you said it last cleric.

    by RustyStardust

    this site has become nothing but the raving complaints of a bunch of lunatics. it was a teaser. and, the guns will be in the movie. aint it pathetic...

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 1:46 p.m. CST

    That's way overthinking it Nosferatu

    by xavier masterson

    That shot is so quick, only us geeks who slowed it down would notice what position the background soldier is holding the gun, or whether he's holding one at all. Believe what you will. I'm not saying it makes since considering the explosions and other shots of guns in the trailer, but that one shot has obviously been tampered with so as to not have out heroes standing there with guns pointed directly at them.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 1:46 p.m. CST


    by peytonallen

    This movie has no balls? It's Speilberg returning to his roots, nearly 20 years past the point when he was making movies like this. As he's said he's had to try and compete with a younger director, trying to mimic some of his own earlier work. That's balls. <p> You're featuring TWO aging actors. One who hasn't opened a movie successfully in close to five years if not longer. You're banking on the fact that Harrison can still turn it on and carry a movie. And the second, is an aging actress in an action role. When does that happen?<p> I love all the Lucas bashing. You people realize he has neither written this script or directed the movie. This is Steven's baby. George has done what he's always done in this series. Supplied the idea. The prequels mean shit to how this movie will fare.<p> It was a good teaser. A TEASER. I could've done without the recap of who Indiana Jones is, but it has been 20 years. <p> Let's wait until we get the first full length trailer that will sell the movie a little more before we all judge. Regardless, how many of us have walked into a movie we knew dick about and walked out blown away? How many times have we complained that trailers give away too much, etc? Look at the early teasers for the OT and older films. My gosh those were horrible. <p> It will be interesting to see Indy Jones played this way. Muted. Aged. For that reason alone, if you say this movie has no balls you're a moron.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Holy shit thats weird and random...

    by Tourist

    ...Its not even a good line or anything. The trailer looked kind of tossed together too much to have been worked on so extensively. What a waste of money. Plus I told you Ford was asleep in the trailer.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Don't think it's the MPAA...

    by OldWizard

    I think it's the weasels at Paramount. This scene that has been manipulated and the Flag addition (or subtraction, as I think it is) is all for marketing reasons... so as not to offend as many people at once as possible. It's all money based. If the movie is hinting at what looks like the american army in the nazi roles here, it might turn off a big section of the country... so they take out the implied threat by removing and lowering guns... and adding an american flag to make people think that everything is hunky dory. What's a little foolish is having a european version... so that the changes are completely apparent. I did notice something was funky with the guns shot yesterday, but honestly didn't realize all of the changes... but now, that we can see what's actually going on, the changes are obvious. But again, conspiracy theorists who think the MPAA is all powerful are just blowing this way out of proportion. It's money that talks... and the studio isn't gonna turn off a big chunk of their revenue by putting the USA in a bad light... at least until the movie comes out.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 1:54 p.m. CST

    what the fuck...?

    by Gungan Slayer

    LOL. this is funny...yet confusing and retarded at the same time. what the hell...

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 1:56 p.m. CST


    by Yeah I Wrote That

    Your argument is interesting, but I think it's more likely that there was MPAA interference. I know that when it comes to posters, there is a certain amount of guns that cannot be shown. These people sit around and count everything. I bet the trailer exceeded the number of guns allowed, so they tweaked shit to maximize the amount of onscreen jeapordy.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Waterboard the MPAA...

    by Frank Black

    I grew up with guns. I had a 22 rifle when I was 4 or 5 and was forced to hunt and finish kills. My dad was an avid hunter but we didn't live off, need or enjoy the food he killed. Several of his friends and people I went to school with had gun accidents and I knew kids who accidentally shot a brother or sister with a gun. I'm a damn good shot with a gun. I haven't owned one in years and haven't eaten meat in years either. Video games and movies with violence can put ideas in people's minds but rational people fight the urge to kill a bunch of people because it doesn't solve anyone's problems. My dad actually got a gun seller's license at one point and was able to sell guns at gun shows and was going to open a shop. We had automatic guns and machine guns and I was bullied to the breaking point many times in high school and could have taken out half of the school but didn't. Banning guns won't stop gun violence and giving them out so liberally isn't the answer either. Speaking of liberal, that is me to a tee and I am proud of it. There is a bigger problem here than guns and it has to do with parenting and th economic and social condition of this country. To all of you from other countries shaking your finger at us Americans, unless your country if perfect (which none of yours are) you shouldn't judge us. Chances are you or someone you know has benefited or visited the United States and had a really wonderful experience as a result. For every war we start or gun massacre in a school, there is a lot of greatness that comes from this country. Many of us Americans don't like Bush or the hypocrisy that you all point out but in order for us to manage our democracy we have to endure some annoying shit too. The MPAA goes too far but the scene will be back in the movie as it was meant to so we don't have to worry. It is weird and pointless and a needless attempt to shield and sanitize our youth from things they are already exposed to that are far worse and frequent but I think we have had so many shootings that people are in panic mode. I say more tits and ass and less guns anyway so why not replace the guns with breasts. Our world is surreal but why should we deal with the issues when Britney just had another Mocha Grande and visited a gas station rest stop?

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 2:05 p.m. CST

    by Pipple

    uncensored version incase it hasn't been posted. FUUUUUUUUCK YOU MPAA. DON'T FUCK WITH OUR DAMN MOVIES YOU SHIT SHOVELERS.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Dont think it was the MPAA...

    by Tourist

    ...Well, not one hundred per cent sure anyway. I'm with the above poster, I think its more to do with not portraying Indie as a terrorist GI Joe killer. That was actually something I thought when just watching the first bootleg. "Hmmm. The Americans are Nazis now? Rough."

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 2:13 p.m. CST

    There is also a Dude that appears from nowhere

    by RainesMaker

    Behind Ray there is some shadow distortion on the hanger then a guy pops out from the right of the guard.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Shit, I didn't even notice

    by skywalkerfamily

    I was too busy enjoying the trailer.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 2:24 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Thousand points of light.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 2:26 p.m. CST


    by Embeedeuce

    Pretty sure that despite the uniforms, those are Soviet soldiers. So, there's no real "GI Joe" bashing. (not sure of the rules, so I tagged as spoiler just in case)

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Will someone please explain what the MPAA did?

    by WWBD

    Moriarty, you wrote this article as if everyone already knows what all the hubbub is about. Did the MPAA make them remove guns or subtitles or pants or pockets or flags or what?

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 2:32 p.m. CST

    What are we arguing about here?

    by skywalkerfamily

    CG? Guns? What?

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Another changed shot has been found...

    by xavier masterson I checked it with the US trailer and this isn't a case of the gun changing positions within a span of seconds. So explain that one Nosferatu.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 2:37 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Mind control and manipulation.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 2:39 p.m. CST

    chumpmonkey We still have 100,000 troops in Germany

    by Mace Tofu

    And that war was over in 1945. Anyone who thinks our troops are coming home if we get a new President is living in a LaLa land lol. A word from your next president...

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Link to new images I posted above

    by xavier masterson

    Get rid of the space between showpost and the period and the link should work.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Are we arguing about Giant Robots?

    by skywalkerfamily

    Let's argue about Giant Robots.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Wal-Mart Has Chosen Blu-Ray

    by Fatty Magee

    Nail, meet coffin.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 2:42 p.m. CST


    by griffy651

    I emailed this to Moriarty, but apparentl he's not checking it. The IGN DVD board I frequent had a user the night before post about receiving the trailer, but it came in TWO VERSIONS, one to play before Spiderwick, another to play before PG-13 and R movies. I'm thinking the US Online version is the Spiderwick-friendly version of the trailer. Here's what he said: "Got our 4 movies that open on Thursday in today along with 2 loose copies of the trailer. Threw on the scope version of the trailer by itself and enjoyed. First half is basically a reminder of past adventures and the entire 2nd half is action, classic theme playing, familiar warehouse, along with a few one liners (good ones) So yes everyone should indeed enjoy the 1min50sec long trailer (reported it was 2.5 minutes before but read the wrong trailer length) Just of a note though. It seems there are 2 versions of this trailer coming out on Thursday. Spiderwick seems like it will get a tame version of the trailer (skulls seen in the trailer) as the ones on Step Up 2 and Jumper were lable Trailer #2 To be played on PG-13 and R rated prints only. The trailer lable that came with Spiderwick was given Trailer #1 tag. Now in the words of Eric Cartman "WHO WANTS TO TOUCH ME" Here's the link to the thread, but you need a paid account to see it:

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Third soldier appears magically from nowhere

    by Maceox

    I am not sure any one noticed or not, but a soldier magically appears on the left side of the screen then walks quickly to the right. Check out the :58 second through :62. Also the truck he lands in has a canopy over the back. In the next shot of him driving the truck, it is a different truck. There is a crate in the passenger side and no canopy over the back.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 2:47 p.m. CST

    I don't really mind the alterations

    by Automaton Overlord

    I mean, the very next shot is Indy being shot at. Generaly, I hate this kind of censorship, but if this trailer is to be shown in front of "Rugrats learn to use the potty" so be it. It's only an advertisment for art, not the art itself.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Re: griffy651

    by xavier masterson

    That may be the case, but it still doesn't explain the illogic of changing the positions of some guns, and outright ersaing others, while allowing a very clear shot of soldiers being blown to hell in an explosion. This is really what Mori's article is about. The batshit crazy decision making on the part of the MPAA. How do you justify the removal of one while allowing the other?

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 2:48 p.m. CST

    griffy651 > Moriarty

    by ArcadianDS

    I love me some Moriarty and lunchmeat sandwiches all day long, but this update was a conclusionary leap of Olympic magnitude. Thanks for the oh so simple, believable, and most importantly, non-hyperbolic explanation to this entire non-dramatic non-mystery.<p> And now all the 'ZOMG MPAA AND AMERICA IS BASSACKARDS!' posters can go back to reading anime comics.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Not the only part...

    by Frankenbastard

    Um, guys and or girls that's not the only part of the trailer that got “enhanced” check out when he gets slapped by the soldier towards the end. Don’t tell me there isn’t something wrong about all this.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Are we still talking about E.T,?

    by skywalkerfamily

    Did E.T. really die or was he just in a coma?

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 2:50 p.m. CST

    he died skywalker

    by Kloipy

    but he came back stronger than you could ever imagine

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Art Bell knows all

    by Kloipy

    tonight on Coast to Coast AM

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Right after this shot, Indy is running and being shot at.

    by Rev. Slappy

    So having a gun pointed at him is bad for the kids, but seeing him flee from actual bullets is ok. Duly noted.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 2:55 p.m. CST

    But did Elliot have Jedi powers and resurrect him

    by skywalkerfamily

    or was it because E.T. knew the spaceship was coming back?

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 2:56 p.m. CST

    the world may never know

    by Kloipy

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Re: Nosferautu

    by xavier masterson

    Sorry if the link didn't work, but did you see the pictures in that post? The shot in the trailer of Indy being slapped? There are soldiers surrounding him. In the U.S. version the guns are pointed toward the ground. In the Norwegian version they are pointed directly at Indy. They've been altered the same as the above shots Mori provided.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 2:58 p.m. CST

    The MPAA is trying to protect us from what exactly?

    by Han Cholo

    Like we haven't been subject to seeing worse shit like torture porn and all that shit, now they're gonna fuck with a few shots of guns being cocked? FUCK THE MPAA

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 2:58 p.m. CST

    All I Know Is ...

    by FatherMcGruderKicksAssForTheLord

    @ 1:38:??, The Beef is making one hell of a retarderated face.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 2:58 p.m. CST

    E.T. is kind of like Gandalf but an alien version

    by Kloipy

    he can come back at random times, but this is only a guess, I have no evidence to back this up

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 3:05 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Don't forget Google! Google is the technology arm of all those organizations!!!!!

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Anchor-I see The Bates in my dreams!

    by Kloipy

    Warwick is also in this movie playing the role of the glasses

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 3:06 p.m. CST

    The crates...

    by Embeedeuce

    ...are full of rejected Darabont drafts.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 3:08 p.m. CST


    by Embeedeuce

    if you freeze the trailer at :42 you can totally tell that Harrison Ford is stoned.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Dennis Kucinich

    by Kloipy

    I think he is a REAL alien. Did anyone see him on Colbert Report? That dude is seriously hiding some feelers underneath his wig

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Walmart buys AICN!

    by skywalkerfamily

    Hercules to become Door Greeter.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Warwick will star as Necronomicon

    by Kloipy

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Trailer a mess?

    by MartinBlank

    Eh, I dunno. Have a look at the trailers for the earlier Indy flicks on the same Yahoo page. Each trailer reflects the trailer style of its day. The 'Raiders' one is very early-'80s and spoilerish. The TOD one makes it look like any other mid-'80s action flick. The 'Last Crusade' one suffers from Mr. Happy Narrator (as opposed to Mr. Serious Narrator who narrates the 'Raiders' one). This new one? It's officially labelled a teaser trailer. Fans have been baying like dogs for some footage, and here's some footage. Here's Indy back in action again. It's not really structured like a full trailer. It's action-heavy and seems to have been put out to let the general public, most of whom haven't been poring over every detail leaked by Lucasfilm and watched every scrap of behind-the-scenes footage, that there is really a new Indiana Jones flick coming this summer. I have a feeling we'll get a longer trailer before too long.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 3:14 p.m. CST

    I'm Not Poring Over This Thing, I Swear

    by FatherMcGruderKicksAssForTheLord

    This morning CNN I think was runnning a partial clip and happened to freeze the video right as LeBeouf makes the worst facial expression anyone ever could ... I snorted coffee, and lemme tell ya, it does NOTHING for the sinuses.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 3:15 p.m. CST


    by Embeedeuce


  • Feb. 15, 2008, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Bush Administration Biopic

    by FatherMcGruderKicksAssForTheLord

    Warwick as Cheney's wallet.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Planet Earth documentary

    by Kloipy

    Warwick stars as dna strand

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 3:20 p.m. CST

    A tip of the hat to Mori

    by Dashing Roger

    for calling this out, BTW. Whether the MPAA are the real culprits or not, Lucasfilm and Spielby must be aware of it. And Mori is still keeping it real. As I know he always will.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 3:20 p.m. CST

    soundtrack by, who else, Aerosmith

    by Kloipy

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Correct Me If I'm Wrong But

    by FatherMcGruderKicksAssForTheLord

    wasn't Warwick also a midichlorine in Ep.III?

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Outlaw greed, stupidity and insanity

    by Guy Gaduois

    and most of the world's problems = solved. The problem is enforcement, thus we're back at boomsticks. I value the boomstick and prefer to keep mine, but thanks for offering. What am I supposed to do if a professional sports' team comes to my town? Mark Chmura comes knocking on my door to ask out my daughter, I'm a smaller guy, I need the boomstick. Ray Lewis wants to play 'West Side Story' outside some club, I'd like a boomstick, thanks. You all can trust your fellow man, I've seen his work and must reject that premise. Did anyone notice that Harrison Ford seems older than he did 19 years ago?

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 3:24 p.m. CST

    he was Father

    by Kloipy

    he was also a blade of grass in Hero

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Honey I shrunk the kids is a documentary about

    by Kloipy

    Warwick's childhood

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 3:27 p.m. CST

    also I should mention

    by Kloipy

    that Warwick played the titular role in Out of Africa, meaning he was the font that spelled out, Out of Africa

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 3:28 p.m. CST


    by FatherMcGruderKicksAssForTheLord

    I heard somewhere that he was originally tapped to play Rose McGowan's gun-leg in Planet Terror, but Rodriguez needed to scale back costs.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 3:30 p.m. CST

    RE: xavier masterson

    by griffy651

    I understand your worries about the MPAA forcing alterations, but I'm wondering if this had nothing to do with the MPAA but everything to do with Paramount/the filmmakers themselves just creating a family-friendly version of the trailer and the goofy decisions they made about what to alter.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 3:30 p.m. CST


    by Kloipy

    he has been playing Jennifer Connely's eyebrows for over 18 years now

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Is this because it's American soldiers pointing guns at American

    by CampKoala

    they've made the soldier in the background point his gun away from Indy, I guess that's the issue, they're pretending that the American Military aren't aggressive.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 3:36 p.m. CST

    The Matrix

    by FatherMcGruderKicksAssForTheLord

    Warwick = every empty shell casing in the lobby gunfight. Green screen magic!

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 3:38 p.m. CST


    by Ray Gamma

    I don't know where to type this on here, but I just heard the most horrible rumour from a contact here in London who works for TMPC. And, please, please, let this be a joke. Wait for this... Apparently Universal are scouting for the cast for a remake, I repeat, A REMAKE, of "BACK TO THE FUTURE". And the worst part is, they're apparently looking for a 14-year-old actor to play Marty McFly. What the fucking fuck?

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 3:39 p.m. CST

    re: griffy651

    by xavier masterson

    Ah, OK, got ya. Yeah, it could be the Indy camp, themselves, that decided to create two versions of the trailer. I just wonder why, if that's the case, they would use the kid friendly version to premiere online and GMA? And why the guns had to be removed or repositioned but the soldiers being blown up could stay in. None of it makes sense. Not that it's something i'm pissed over, more a funny curiosity than anything.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 3:40 p.m. CST

    A Daring Point to Make. Ready?

    by YakMalla

    OK. *AHEM* I think they'll leave in the guns for the movie. Or, perhaps more to the point: Who cares?

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Dr Poots

    by Ray Gamma

    You're so stupid, you didn't even understand my original post.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 3:43 p.m. CST

    RE: xavier masterson

    by griffy651

    Yeah I definitely agree. Regardless of who the decision makers were, it's some goofy stuff.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Spoiler warning for the feebs:

    by DocPazuzu

    Those aren't American troops "in the Nazi role" of this film. Those are Soviet infiltrators in U.S. uniforms. Why else would Spalko be ordering them around? It has nothing to do with being sensitive about U.S. troops pointing guns at heroes (or "composition") and everything to do with lily-liveredness regarding the depiction of guns in film.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 3:54 p.m. CST

    No no no no... Indy is a commie in this one!

    by Rickey Henderson

    That's why he's fighting guys in U.S. army uniforms! Come on people, Indy IS a college professor after all... liberal agenda, anyone?

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 3:56 p.m. CST


    by Blood Simple

    Have you heard anything form Lucasfilm or Paramount? I'm actually kinda interested for an explanation. Seems curious to botch the Teaser Trailer for such a huge movie, knowing full well that us fans would pour over the damn thing frame by frame in HD - especially since it took so long to get any footage at all. Seems like a minor misstep that could have (and seems to have) developed into a semi-big deal.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 4 p.m. CST

    Wasn't it Poltergeist that freaked out the MPAA...

    by Darth Macchio

    ..and thus caused the PG-13 rating? That's how I remember it anyway. And sorry about the lack of penis but I agree with those above...not interested in seeing em on screen. Double standard? Absofuckinglutely! Watched the immortal Fast Times scene with the beautiful Phoebe if they showed Judge Reinhold's wang during the beat-off after her mesmerizing rise from the would have destroyed that fucking movie. And my fragile hold on sanity.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 4:05 p.m. CST

    It's obvious the Commiees killed the U.S.

    by skywalkerfamily

    troops and took over the warehouse, and Indy shows up to kick butt.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 4:09 p.m. CST

    No really the name of the movie

    by RainesMaker

    IS Cloverfield... its not just the psuedo production name.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 4:14 p.m. CST


    by CM1986

    Overprotecting us? Please, there were at least FOUR school shootings in the U.S. this week. FOUR. Absolutely disgusting. Guns are everywhere. I could honestly give two shits about them being digitally removed from a trailer. I don't want kids in this stupid country seeing guns every time they look at a screen. As long as the guns make it into the actual picture, nobody should give a fuck about the trailers. Maybe we should all turn our attention to some of the real news going on right now....

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Maybe Winstone's pants turn into Beowulf!

    by skywalkerfamily

    Wasn't that guy Beowulf!!

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 4:14 p.m. CST

    re: griffy651

    by monorail77

    I have seen the Indy IV trailer play before both Spiderwick and Step Up 2 at two different theatres now (I check trailers for a studio). There is no difference between them. I think that projectionist post you referenced was pulling people's legs. Either that or two different theatres in my area (from two different theatre chains) BOTh decided to run the "kid-friendly" version before each film. I think not. Instead, I think there is only one North American Indy IV trailer, and that is the CGI Pants and Flag version.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 4:28 p.m. CST


    by SaluteYourShorts

    Whoever doesn't like this trailer needs to go to hell. Enough said. It exceeds expectations.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 4:29 p.m. CST


    by Stollentroll

    Please, God, don't let it be true.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 4:33 p.m. CST


    by Frankenbastard

    Hey, a gun in a movie preview isn’t going to make my kids want to shoot up a school. (plus they are home schooled) Now a commercial for Reese’s Peanut Butter Cup cereal will make them want to buy it. That’s disgusting and a proven fact. I’m not a fan of guns by any means but I’m smart enough to realize that the reason why kids shoot up schools is shitty parenting plain and simple. My generation grew up with realistic looking toy guns that fired plastic bullets and we never shot up schools because our parents would have kicked the crap out of us for even thinking about it. It’s obvious why the guns were pulled from the trailer and that’s what makes it ridiculous. What, it’s alright to protect our sensibilities but fuck Europe? Or are they saying Europeans are more intelligent and Americans are idiots? One coming attraction for the entire world please.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 4:36 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    Agent Spalko is the Soviet head honcho played by Cate Blanchett in this movie.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 4:37 p.m. CST

    RE: monorail77

    by griffy651

    Yeah, my post is in no means definitive, just thought I'd shared something I read that may be an explanation. Seemed pretty logical to me, so I posted it.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 4:38 p.m. CST

    CGI Pants - The

    by SkeletonParty

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 4:39 p.m. CST

    CGI Pants - The Worst Thing That Ever Happened

    by SkeletonParty

    I"m so angry over the CGI pants that I'm going to strangle a hobo.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Lucas has gone too far!!!

    by skywalkerfamily

    CGI Pants!

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Now is the time...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...for some long-time lurker to sign up and take the name of "CGI Pants". Hell, we had talkbackers "DeadRapedDeer" and "Hung Wankenstein" for a while.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Indy's hat looks CGI as well before he picks it up

    by Orionsangels

    Can we just film a movie here in good ol' film and worry about the CGI afterwards. This film was probably directed in the same awful manner that Lucas directed the last two SW prequels, with HD monitors and instant CG editing and all that stuff that helps create a synthetic piece of shit of a movie.

  • ....because it's fucked.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 4:54 p.m. CST

    by SaluteYourShorts

    you're all lame.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 4:57 p.m. CST

    eh no big deal... its just the trailer

    by johnbot3000

    ...doubt they'll edit anything out of the actual movie. they probably ephed with the trailer to let Lucas have some fun since the movie will be CGI-free(supposedly). funny that they took all the time and energy to take out a couple guns though.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 4:58 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius


  • Feb. 15, 2008, 4:58 p.m. CST


    by CGI_Pants

    Consider it done. Long have I lurked. And now I am here. That was just a good enough idea to 'cause me to register.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5 p.m. CST

    Nazi flag ... then American flag

    by Dreamfasting

    So I was the only one who saw the waving Nazi flags and then the waving American flag and thought "wow, that's a daring parallel to draw"?

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:01 p.m. CST

    I just realized why it was done!!!

    by Orionsangels

    Because the trailer was shown before the childrens movie Spiderwick. It won't be in the final movie. Thank God!

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Before you all jump in...

    by Tal111

    ...I was planning to go crazy today and take out a few people but reconsidered. And the only reason? I thought twice after seeing no guns in that scene. So there, lives were saved. Good job MPAA!

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:05 p.m. CST

    "sell the iconography of Indy in the right ways"

    by Scrolly

    Mori, I love ya but.... iconography??? iconography?? It's an Indiana Jones film. It's meant to be fun!!! "Selling the Iconography" would be the wrong way to go.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Cate Blanchett...

    by 69DUDE

    really does look butch in this film, do you think she has a wanger?

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Fuck you Spielberg and Lucas

    by Spoiler_Man

    You cowardly spineless hacks.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:08 p.m. CST

    I wouldn't worry too much

    by kyle051554

    I sincerely doubt the censoring of the guns will be in the final version. Remember, trailers are rated for all audiences. Even though it's stupid that the MPAA bitched about the guns in the first place, and I don't see how guns are any worse than half of the horror movie trailers out there, again, I think the final cut will be just fine.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Lord CGI_Pants...

    by DocPazuzu


  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Didn't you read my amazing post, kyle051554?

    by Orionsangels


  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:26 p.m. CST

    hey did you guys notice anything odd about Winstone's pants?

    by finky089

    something seemed a bit "off" in that scene where the soldiers aim their guns at them. <p> Although, now that I look at it again, the solideries seem to have them surrounded, but there are no actual guns pointed AT them. <p> Hmmm, strange indeed. <p> Anyone think that whip crack was a little loud, too?

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:27 p.m. CST

    I have witnessed the bith of CGI_Pants!!

    by monorail77

    Evil Emperor DocPazuzu and his apprentice, CGI_Pants have seized control of the intertubes!! And it is GLORIOUS!!!

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:27 p.m. CST

    wow 2,000 posts on the same shit over and over

    by finky089

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:28 p.m. CST

    it's why I love AICN

    by finky089


  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:30 p.m. CST

    "birth" not "bith"

    by monorail77

    Fuuuuuuck. Also, insert snide inquiry about when AICN will be getting that "edit post" function exactly?

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Damn you CGI Pants!!!

    by skywalkerfamily

    You ruined Indy for me!!!

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:37 p.m. CST

    It's a good thing..

    by 69DUDE

    ..that they CG'd out the guns in the Indy trailer. Guns in movies are directly responsible for shootings like has just happened in Illinois. I hope we never see another gun on screen again, this is only way that we can guarantee that the kids of today will never go crazy with a gun again. As the media proves time and time again, shootings have nothing to do with teen angst, mental disorders or psychopathic tendencies and everything to do with guns in movies and TV. Thank the lord we have CG to erase them forever. *note: irony

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:37 p.m. CST

    There supposed to be a Howdy Doody like doll...

    by Orionsangels

    In the movie that comes to life via the crystal skull, but Lucas opted to have it done in full CGI. It teams up with Indy and friends. Sounds dumb, but could work. The doll is called Mr wiggles. Lucas son thought up the idea.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:47 p.m. CST

    The new "snakes/bugs/rats" in Indy IV is Giant Ants

    by finky089

    spiders woulda made sense, but if you look at pictures of one of the new KOTCS Lego sets, the one with the Pyramid ruins has some alien skeletons and GIANT ANTS. <p> I could be wrong. But misfires aren't unknown to things involving Luca$.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Way to make a mountain out of a molehill Mori...

    by blackmantis

    Really, this is not that big a deal. Not worth and entire post...As someone who cuts trailers, I can tell you the MPAA has weird, arcane rules about guns, they can be featured, but have to be pointed at a certain angle away from the audience. This most certainly is what prompted the removal.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:55 p.m. CST


    by Crawing

    ...seriously, this is just frickin ridiculous. And, in a way, kind of ironic - Temple of Doom pushed hard and helped create the PG-13, fast forward twenty odd years and we now have a FOUR SECOND TRAILER SHOT having a no doubt silly amount of money spent on it to (badly*) manipulate guns out of the shot. * seriously, i could do better with sony vegas...the original plates...and 2 days to spare. Trust me.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Do me a favor

    by Mister Man

    Somebody let me know if you can read this - curious situation.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 6:01 p.m. CST


    by travis-dane


  • Feb. 15, 2008, 6:01 p.m. CST

    You people are a bunch of idiots

    by Razorback

    The reason it was done is because the trailer has to be rated for ALL AUDIENCES by the MPAA to be shown in front of a children's movie. So, that means removing the guns FOR THE TRAILER. It will not be like that in the movie. Fucktards.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 6:02 p.m. CST

    I hope Indy shoots first in this one.

    by skywalkerfamily

    He likes the name Indiana!

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 6:04 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    So, people being disintegrated in explosions in front of a kids' movie is okay? Way to be consistent.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 6:07 p.m. CST

    69DUDE, not to be a jerk or anything

    by systemsbroom

    But devices designed to minimize the exposure of children to images of violence don't need to prevent every shooting anywhere ever in order to be successful--they just need to be cost effective. <P> Numerous studies suggest that viewing scenes of violence on television can be correlated with increases in aggression and violence in children and young adults (see Thus, where the cost is low (like, changing an advertisement for a movie such that only interweb frame-by-frame obsessives will really notice a difference), it might make sense to minimize certain types of violent scenes where children will be watching. <P> I'm not trying to defend the MPAA, its rules, or Paramount or Lucas or whoever, but I think it's worth noting that what (may have) happened here is not the moronically stupid and pointless exercise you and others are maybe making it out to be.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Thanks Why, what?

    by Mister Man

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 6:11 p.m. CST

    No wonder kids in America are fucked up...

    by ebonic_plague

    ...guns are your birthright, and the commies want to take them away, but it's morally wrong for you to know about them except as an abstract constitutional concept until you're 18, even the toy ones. Same with beer, drink beer and you can be a football hero like your dad, but if you take one sip before you're 21 YOU WILL UNINTENTIONALLY KILL EVERYONE YOU'VE EVER LOVED. Also, drugs are BAD AND WILL DESTROY YOUR SOUL, except for the rainbow of pills that are vitally necessary to take everyday to control your unacceptably age appropriate human behavior. BUT THEY WILL STILL KILL YOU IF YOU DON'T TAKE THEM EXACTLY LIKE WE TELL YOU. Also, SEX IS BAD AND EVIL AND WRONG, until you turn 18, then it's the entire motivation for all social interaction and advertising, BUT IT WILL STILL PROBABLY KILL YOU OR RUIN YOUR LIFE, unless you're married, in which case it's sacred... UNLESS YOU'RE A HOMO, in which case you don't get to do anything sacred because your existence makes Jesus cry. And around every corner is a predator waiting to sodomize your fresh bullet wounds so be sure to wear your kevlar and never get too far away from your designated armed guard. DISTRUST EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING YOU SEE, unless they have a badge or a flag pin on their lapel, and then don't question a damn thing they tell you or prepare to be tazed, bro. Just shut up and appreciate what you have, because honestly, you are so pampered and sheltered and loved, what do you have to complain about?

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 6:12 p.m. CST

    I just saw..

    by Rando Calrisian

    Lucas and Spielberg on a web cam, smoking a bowl, reading this thread and laughing at all of you. <br> <br> Would love to hear they did this on purpose just to fuck with everyone.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 6:18 p.m. CST

    ebonic_plague:good one........

    by travis-dane

    keep it up.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 6:20 p.m. CST

    RE: DocPazuzu

    by griffy651

    But soldiers didn't get disintegrated in explosions in the teaser. There's a bunch of soldiers standing in front of a pile of boxes, and then a truck crashes through them, causing an explosion of debris and splinters to envelope them, but they don't explode into pieces like you make it out.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Moriarty you're an idiot!

    by Logan_1973

    Or maybe you're right. Let's piss on the entire movie and boycott it all because the teaser is imperfect.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 6:29 p.m. CST

    You leave Moriarty alone you!!!

    by Orionsangels

    Moriarty is the most respected movie critic at AICN...word. Back that thing up.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 6:35 p.m. CST

    There are still guns

    by miggymigs

    If the point was to remove the guns, why can we still see the guns? I think they are rifles instead, but...rifles...still...kill people. They should have given them all bows and arrows. THAT would've been badass. And Indy could have a red headband that hung to one side. And no shirt. and a different face.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 6:51 p.m. CST

    So Razorback...

    by Frankenbastard

    You're saying that the kids in Europe can handle the gun play but here in the states it might make them vomit in horror? That's a bad argument dude.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 7:08 p.m. CST


    by Logan_1973

    I would have agreed with that statement yesterday, last week, and 2 years ago. Hands down this was the dumbest review of a fucking TRAILER i've ever read.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Some Women's group complained that the "Raised" rifles

    by Mace Tofu

    ...the "Raised" rifles in the shot were too Phallic and aggressive looking so Lucas went back and CGI all the rifles in the shot into the pointing down "Limp" positions to appease the feminist fans who want to see Cate "butch" it up but would be offended by any long hard objects sticking UP onscreen. Steven snuck in the shot of the 4 pillars growing up into the sky to compensate for the rifles being taken out. Politics!

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 7:29 p.m. CST

    If you look hard at the trailer they plug the movie JUMPER

    by Mace Tofu

    when Hayden "JUMPS" into a shot at 59 seconds. That's what I call cross-promotion!

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 7:39 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    So, a kid who is sensitive enough to be damaged by images of guns pointed at people is mature enough to know the difference between a guy who disintegrates in an explosion and is enveloped in flame and debris? <p> You see the problem here?

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 7:44 p.m. CST

    That's funny...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    ...guns are too phallic for women's groups, so they want them digitally changed... whatever...<p> ...meanwhile Jane Fonda says "cunt" on national TV and nobody really cares...<p> To sum up...<p> penis -- bad<p> vagina -- good

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 7:45 p.m. CST


    by kyle051554

    IN THE WORLD!!!<br /><br /> We good? ;)

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 7:46 p.m. CST

    ...oh and...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    tits -- GRRRRR-REAT!!!!

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 7:50 p.m. CST

    CGI pants! I hate these guys!

    by skywalkerfamily

    If those aren't CGI pants, I'm Mickey Mouse!

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 7:56 p.m. CST

    Wah! I live in America! Wah!

    by 18to88

    Go to hell.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 8:13 p.m. CST

    if we edited out guns

    by the podosphere

    every time some douche shoots someone in real life, we'd never see a gun in a movie ever again.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Lucsfilms sues Gen Con!

    by skywalkerfamily

    Gen Con screwed up big time at Celebration IV! Probably won't do Celebration V.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 8:59 p.m. CST

    spielberg shouldve put cgi boobs on everyone.

    by dr.bulber

    boobs dont kill people. unfortunately.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Please, All You AICN TB'ers ...

    by FatherMcGruderKicksAssForTheLord


  • Feb. 15, 2008, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Here's the animated gif

    by Orionsangels

    His pants wobble and Indy's left pocket as well. It looks so cheap

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Indy wheels

    by Orionsangels

    it looks better in higher quality of course. watch it on TV. concentrate on the pants and indy's left pocket. also indy looks like he's wheeled in lol. i know he's old, but damn when you can't even walk for a role hehe.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 9:30 p.m. CST

    That trailer was the PANTS!

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    I laugh at the people who don't want this. This is gonna rock. Suck shit you bitter losers.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 9:52 p.m. CST

    The funniest thing about all this...

    by Orionsangels

    Do they do these alterations thinking we won't notice them? Does ILM think there really that good? We can do anything now! No one can tell. We've become a world of observant nosey internet people. Will notice!

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 10 p.m. CST

    Moriarty is indeed an idiot.

    by The Ghost of Marcus Brody

    This is pointless. We saw a PG version of the first official teaser, NOT the movie. MPAA does suck shit, but so does this story.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Moriarty is my dad STFU!!!

    by Orionsangels

    No not really

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Thanks kyle051554. The checks in the mail

    by Orionsangels

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Bush fucked my mother

    by performingmonkey

    I look just like him. Go figure.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 10:29 p.m. CST

    wow mori

    by t40stunt

    hey great way to get some shit going on here . must be a slow news day for you guys . considering the last few weeks the other sites have been handing you guys your ass in scoops you would think something better than this would come up .... guess not though . sign of things to come i guess .

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Guns Rule

    by Stevie Grant

    There's a reason why guns are everywhere in movies. They are very cool BECAUSE THEY ARE VERY FUCKING COOL. You point a gun at something, pull the trigger, and the something explodes. Very entertaining. Indiana Jones needs more guns, not less guns. Also, this is a teaser trailer, not the film. As long as the film doesn't include CGI walkie-talkie shootouts, I'm game.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 10:41 p.m. CST

    not everyone can be out on a friday night scoring hot chicks

    by Orionsangels

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 10:51 p.m. CST

    the big question is...

    by RustyStardust

    why is moriarty so interested in harrison ford's and ray winstone's pants? hmmm....

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 11:01 p.m. CST


    by livingwater

    "Apparently, the American version of the trailer was too violent so they cut out guns that the soldiers are pointing at them. Check out this pic showing the American and Norweigian versions." === FROM CHUD ==== In any case, Americans use violence too much !!!!!!

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 11:08 p.m. CST


    by livingwater

    "As it turns out, Spielberg may not be the guy to blame for how strange that shot is. Instead, it may be the MPAA that forced the digital alterations to the shot." "Why do I say that? Because of this image I found on the Message Boards earlier tonight." Drew: next time, you should read the info attached to the image....I can only assume you did this intentionally for a story.... #:>P] I wish there was an emoticon for "mon oeil" ( - Yours Sincerely, Mr. Sherlock Holmes

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 11:19 p.m. CST

    I can't wait for NBC's show Guns or no Guns

    by skywalkerfamily


  • Feb. 15, 2008, 11:23 p.m. CST

    NOT selling the iconography? WTF?

    by Laserbrain

    What could be more iconically Indy (and Spielberg) than showing Jones putting his trademark hat on via the shadowplay technique heavily used in the original films? NOT iconic? Booby trapped temples, Indy punching, jumping and whipping. Vehicle chases, Villains barking orders to "Get Jones!" (one assumes that's what Blanchett is saying). NOT selling the iconogaphy? What iconography is there left to sell? What a thoroughly bizarre quibble.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 11:45 p.m. CST

    MPAA or Spielberg?? He took the guns out of E.T. too...

    by Executor

    Why do we think it's an MPAA decision? Spielberg took the guns out of E.T. because he wanted to make it a little more "kid friendly"...maybe he wanted the same for this. Which obviously is not a good thing.

  • Feb. 15, 2008, 11:59 p.m. CST

    Spielberg said he didn't feel the FBI agents would

    by skywalkerfamily

    raise the guns on kids, so that's why he took it out. He says on the DVD. Personally, I remember everyone in the theater being shocked at the scene where the FBI people raise the guns.

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 12:34 a.m. CST


    by TheMcflyFarm

    So that's why the trailer came out six months late.

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 1:02 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    today to get ET's location. Put Rendition into your queues - then you know what I'm talking about! McCain/Paul 08!!

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 1:20 a.m. CST

    Nah, the FBI would just send them to Gitmo

    by skywalkerfamily

    And make them listen to ten hours of Celine Dion.

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 1:28 a.m. CST

    skywalkerfamily, they wouldve aimed the guns

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    and mightve actually shot one of the kids - if it meant procuring a live sentient alien being - that was the point of that action in that scene - the villains (feds) were doing what they do - what prompted the entire escape - we are talking about the fbi, right? - the scene shoulda sytayed as it was - like Greedo shooting first - and like Greedo, the feds were the "bad guys" in that scene - the message being "if you find an alien and you become friends some scary guys with guns in sunglasses and suits will come looking for you - and it" - am i wrong?

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 1:31 a.m. CST

    i left out...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    it was meant to be "shocking" - to drive home the threat the fbi posed - that audience reaction was the right one - walkie talkies arent scary, but i guess they couldve thrown them very hard in an attempt to stop those kids

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 1:32 a.m. CST

    But if they wanted E.T. dead why did they

    by skywalkerfamily

    send all those Doctors to Elliot's house to try and help him?

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 1:42 a.m. CST


    by blondeman

    I hate censorship but I seriously doubt that the MPAA had anything to do with it, they love guns just not boobs.

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 1:43 a.m. CST


    by jfp2007

    What the fuck is a quibble and where is the chuckwagon?

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 1:50 a.m. CST

    skywalkerfamily, they didnt want ET dead...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    they were aiming the guns at the kids - they wanted ET period - the kids were making off with him - the feds were trying to stop them - and if they did want ET dead it mightve been to contain any possible airborne threat (germs) that might come from him - thats why all those blue book dudes were wearing space suits when they entered the house

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 2:34 a.m. CST

    What's up with the flag shot?

    by Bill Clay

    Stevie was willing to play the jingoism card for the US trailer? But he had to remove it for the International trailer since we currently are as popular as a turd in a punchbowl, I imagine.

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 3:08 a.m. CST

    Deep breaths... get a grip

    by Emperor_was_a_jerk

    Dudes. Really. It is a one second shop in a two minute teaser. LET IT GO. And for those who are judging the entire movie based on this trailer you really need to wait until you see the other one hour and 58 minutes I think. It will be just fine. A fun, escapist movie in a time of crappy "ultra real" fare. Maybe if it was all first-person handheld camera people would like it.

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 4:15 a.m. CST

    If those molehills ain't mountainous enough for you...

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    Check out Indy's hat... <p> ...already on the ground by the side of the car before they pull him out of the trunk! <p> W'sup wit dat!

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 4:19 a.m. CST

    The flag is hilarious

    by TheBigDogg

    It really is. It's laugh out loud funny. Some guy in a marketing department is pissing himself laughing thinking that a bit of patriotism will get all you Americans in the theatres. Worst part is, he could be right. Either you're that easily manipulated or people think you're that easily manipulated. EIther way, it's funny stuff.

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 4:50 a.m. CST


    by livingwater

    Agent of Chaos Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 126 Apparently, the American version of the trailer was too violent so they cut out guns that the soldiers are pointing at them. Check out this pic showing the American and Norweigian versions.

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 5:18 a.m. CST

    if the MPAA prefer guns to boobs....

    by livingwater

    Then no wonder America is a penis orientated, violent, angry, misogynistic, sexless, aggressive homosexually orientated culture. I prefer boobs to guns personally... but that is because I'm male. Not gay.

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 6:21 a.m. CST

    Here's the Norwegian Trailer

    by alucardvsdracula Ironic that the rest of the world (who don't have the right to bare arms - and kill each other) get to see guns in a Spielberg movie. Enjoy you poor yanks.

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 6:24 a.m. CST


    by alucardvsdracula

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  • Feb. 16, 2008, 6:26 a.m. CST

    AAAAHHHHH Fuck this shisdal'fkfjios',. t !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by alucardvsdracula

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  • Feb. 16, 2008, 7:01 a.m. CST

    john j rambo

    by DocPazuzu


  • Feb. 16, 2008, 7:13 a.m. CST


    by Kloipy

    have you read a talkback before?

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 7:38 a.m. CST


    by xavier masterson

    Have you read satire before?

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 7:38 a.m. CST


    by LaserPants


  • Feb. 16, 2008, 7:40 a.m. CST

    But Seriously, WHO CARES Either Way?

    by LaserPants

    Odds are the movie will be a fun flick with nostalgia giggles, but its not going to be anywhere near as good as RAIDERS. And, lets face it, RAIDERS is the only really great Indy movie, the mother two were fun, but kinda whatevers.

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 7:41 a.m. CST


    by travis-dane

    come on Sal!The Tigers are playing TONIGHT!

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 7:45 a.m. CST

    Clarence Boddeker! You Are Under Arrest!

    by LaserPants

    OCP runs the cops... your a... cop... <br><br>Robocop fuckin RULES!!!

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 8 a.m. CST


    by Custom_personality

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 8:04 a.m. CST

    by misnomer

    "the right to bear arms" business is a joke. why the hell would any rational, well-adjusted human being want to own a gun? What the hell America? It's never made sense....then again there are people who are voting for McCain and not for Ron Paul. What a country! You are aware that invading Iran (for no reason) will lead to the death of millions - not to mention the high likelihood of it going nuclear. (type in Scott Ritter on youtube) yet here we are talking about the MPAA editing out some toy guns from an Indiana Jones trailer?

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 8:15 a.m. CST

    The Right To Arm Bears

    by LaserPants

    What the founding fathers really meant, but were too drunk at the time, was the right to arm bears. And by bears I mean not only grizzly bears, but leather clad butch gay men with large mustaches. The idea was that an army of bears and large gay men in 70s leather fetish wear would be able to repel any attack made by whatever boogeyman / ex-employee terrorist decided to attack us, and by us I mean U.S. -- the country that appears to be at least 10, 20 years behind pretty much every other First World country. I blame Jeebus and his wacko minions.

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 8:17 a.m. CST

    The shadow knows...

    by denzacar

    They forgot to edit the shadow on the ground at 01:36 when they replaced the gun of that soldier in the back with a kung fu grip.

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 8:41 a.m. CST

    It's Barack Hussein Obama's fault!

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    He's terribly overrated and listens to Oprah far too much!

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 8:43 a.m. CST

    ...or blame it on Obama's lack of experience

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm diplomacy! One year in Congress (while hardly showing up) -- and then he decides to run for the office of Commander and Chief? Nahhhhhh! <p>McCain/Condi in 2008!</p>

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 8:56 a.m. CST overthrow a corrupt USA Government....

    by livingwater

    That was the point of bearing arms: of course that was when the founding father's had muskets and nuclear weapons, metal ships, TV, submachine guns and missiles were not invented. The whole right to bear arms is useful in nature occasionally, but in inner cities it makes life tense urban misery and an impersonal violence orientated jungle. Just my opinion.

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 9:07 a.m. CST


    by Funketeer

    A trailer is not art. If the guns are still in the final product then they didn't compromise anything. They released the trailer they wanted and if it weren't for the geeky efforts of a few people with way too much time on their hands, no one would have noticed the difference.

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 9:27 a.m. CST

    McCain! FUCK YEAH!

    by I Dunno

    Let's elect someone with one foot in the grave who proposes more of the same in a war with a 17% approval rating! What could possibly go wrong? <p>I don't know about all this CGI business but the only thing that bothered me about the trailer was the horribly chopped up and clumsily looped music. I'm surprised no one mentioned that yet. Or maybe they did, I didn't read all 12,000 posts.</p>

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 9:52 a.m. CST

    ...or elect Barack Hussein Obama!

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Who, as a member of the new Democratic Congress, took "approval ratings" to an ALL TIME LOW. <p>Barack Hussein Obama has made quite a few promises that he simply cannot keep outside of TAXING THE HELL out of middle-class Americans! This pompously overrated dumbfuck admits that he plans to increase taxes for the "uppercrust" of society. Who is he talking about? Well, in order to provide enough $$$ for his wild plans (terrible UNIVERSAL healthcare, free college [which makes a college degree worthless], etc...) -- Barack Hussein Obama will have to increase taxes on anyone who makes $30K or more per year! In other words, if you are an American with a decent, non-minimum wage job -- be prepared to shit money for Barack Hussein's government!</p> <p>And don't get me started on Obama's LACK OF EXPERIENCE! He is ready to declare SURRENDER to the terrorists in the Middle East...even though the US military is finally winning! While he shares little in common with the US military men and women. When he could have been serving his nation, Hussein Obama worked as a trial lawyer and was representing Rezko the Syrian's ghetto slums in Chicago against government regulations which tried to force him to improve living conditions for his tenants). </p> <p>Barack Hussein Obama is a terrible choice for America! His lack of experience and questionable past will come back to bite him in the general election (if he secures the nomination from his own party). </p> <p>John McCain, on the other hand, served his nation through a 23 year military career as a pilot, a decorated war veteran (who served 5 1/2 years being tortured in a POW camp), and 38 years of experience in Congressional public service. Both his father and his grandfather were Admirals in the US Navy. His spunky mother is a wonderfully fun lady who will provide years of fun for the late night talk shows while McCain serves eight years in the White House.</p> Go Johnny, go!!!!

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 9:57 a.m. CST

    The trailer was shown in front of a PG movie this weekend.

    by silentbobfan

    After the school shooting this week maybe they didn't want guns advertised to children. Crazy thought there.It's not going to harm the final product. This is an absurd non issue. It's not like ET debacle.

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 10 a.m. CST

    Hey cchhhrrriiisssm

    by Luscious.868

    Barrack can keep every promise that he's made and cut taxes for the middle class ... but cutting out corporate loopholes and raising taxes on the rich ... hey ... if CEO's are going to make 250 times what the average worker makes, then they should be made to pay their fare share ...

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 10:01 a.m. CST

    My last word on this issue...

    by half vader

    I wish I had magic pants. <p> I'd sure show Agent Spanko (TM &©) what's inside! Sigh.

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 10:05 a.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssm or should I say Rush Limbaugh...

    by Frank Black

    You are way off topic so STFU and your wrong about Barack. I like John McCain but his time to become President passed when Bush slandered him in the 2000 election primaries. Turn off Fox news, back away from tv and computer, go outside and walk it off...

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 10:26 a.m. CST


    by Tomo

    I thought you lot loved your guns? Children are made to shoot the flag every school day, arn't they?.....

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Frank Black...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Ummm, I HATE Rush Limbaugh. Why do you leftist wing-nuts want to put your fingers in your ears about the truth in regard to Barack Hussein Obama! <p>The man is UNFIT and INEXPERIENCED to take the role of Commander and Chief of the most powerful nation on Earth! He is just not the right man for this job.</p> <p>Let Barack Hussein Obama "prove himself" in Congress for a few years BEFORE he sets his sights on leading this nation. As is, he served less than 1 year in Congress before deciding to run for the office of Commander in Chief. Damn -- that is pompous!</p> <p>McCain/Condi in 2008!!!</p>

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 10:27 a.m. CST


    by Tomo

    I doubt he'll respond to the latest TB's as he's off to invade Poland, goose-stepping for all he's worth. Twat.

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 10:28 a.m. CST

    by Tomo

    Why d'you keep mentioning his middle name, I wonder. You wouldn't if it was anything else.

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 10:28 a.m. CST

    That being said...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...I can't wait for Indiana Jone 4!

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 10:29 a.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssm, winning the war on terror?

    by I Dunno what, invading the wrong fucking nation and illegally spying on our own people? By creating infinitely more terrorists than we're killing (the CIA's assessment, not mine)? <p>You want to talk experience? What about our current President, who ran a baseball team into the ground and could find oil in TEXAS. At this point, lack of political experience only means less corruption. Obama has other experience outside the senate. I'm not crazy about him either but the very last thing we need is more Republican bullshit. And I'm a registered Republican. </p><p>Sorry to have contributed to this becoming a political thread but some bullshit you can't let slide</p>

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 10:48 a.m. CST


    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    hey - mr. inverted penis is back!!!

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 10:50 a.m. CST

    I Dunno...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    <p>Hey bro...</p> <p>Before you go about spouting the same dipshit nonsense that you get from CNN and DNC talking points, you might want to read the book BUSH AT WAR by Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Bob Woodward. In the book, Woodward explains the rationale for going to war while slaying the myths that are often covered by the media. While the book takes a rather harsh look at some members of the Bush Administration (particularly, Donald Rumsfeld), it shows that there was no "secret agenda" for going to war in Iraq. This war was the result of good faith. </p> <p>BTW, dipshit, if you want to discuss the demonization and vilification of the current president -- then why not perform a little research (do you know what that means, dipshit?). Bush is not stupid (as liberals love to repeat -- hoping that some other idiots will believe their shit-filled vilification). He graduated from too liberal Ivy League schools (including Yale, with a GPA higher than John Kerry's during the same time span). He is the first president who earned an MBA (...from Harvard Business School). He took a fledging MLB team in Texas, and turned it into a profitable venture -- even building a state of the art stadium in the process. So get your facts right, dipshit, okay? You can't believe everything you hear from Nancy Pelosi, CNN and MSNBC -- even if you desperately want to vilify the President and FoxNews. Get a life, libshit. </p> <p>Obama has experience -- representing Rezko the Syrian Slumlord in his Chicago-area slums. As a black American, I am deeply offended that this sorry excuse of a fluff-talker is being passed as the next great hope for America. Barack Hussein Obama is NOT good for the office of Commander and Chief.</p> <p>Sorry to have contributed to this becoming a political thread, but there was some liberal bullshit already attacking President Bush earlier, and I couldn't let it slide.</p> McCain/Condi in 2008!!! A decorated warrior and a PhD (and former President of Stanford University) is a perfect team!

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Damn...liberals only tolerate themselves...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...and those who will not speak against their extremely liberal social views or vilification of conservatives. <p>Mark my words: Obama is BAD for America!</p>

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Does anyone know why the guns were removed?

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    I read an article that stated it was only done so that the trailer could be seen in PG rated films. Is this true?

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Where's the update?

    by griffy651

    Get to it!

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 11:28 a.m. CST

    I dunno: you really don't, do you?

    by SkinJob69

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 11:38 a.m. CST

    trailers don't kill people, people kill people

    by Rupee88

    Anyway, this seems like a way overreaction to the change of one frame in a trailer...I guess it is just symbolic of other evils in the world, but it really isn't a big deal. This is probabgly going to be a sucky film and this isn't even the film..just the trailer.

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 11:44 a.m. CST

    I think the hamfisted American flag pisses me off more

    by mr teaspoon

    The guns were removed, I assume, under demand by the MPAA. OK. They didn't require the US flag to be awkwardly inserted. People ALWAYS notice that kind of shit. Spider-Man 3, anybody?

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 12:15 p.m. CST


    by Darkplanet

    Honestly, I can live without the guns IN THE TRAILER as long as that doesn't trickle down to the movie itself. Ultimately that should be my choice and not some overzealous MPAA fucks decision. What really picked my ass with the trailer was the American flag. No I'm not anti-American but Indie is an international symbol. He belongs to a world full of 10-12 year old dreamers who saw him back in the day and worship him still. Raiders was an incredible movie going experience for me at 10 years old that I will never forget. It was raw, violent, fast, imaginative, inspirational and simply amazing. I hope the world is not robbed of that magic because some asshole thinks we can't handle anything anymore. I want to leave my mind at the door and be swept into the mythos that is Indiana Jones in all of its richness. Screw bureaucratic politics!

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 12:16 p.m. CST

    HD-DVD inside.

    by Mindworm22

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Goddammit, you asstards!

    by DocPazuzu

    The flag wasn't fucking "inserted" into anything. Most likely it's flying over the military base THE MILITARY VEHICLES IN THE TRAILER ARE DRIVING AWAY FROM. <p> What the fuck is wrong with some of you people?

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 12:26 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu's flying over the gate the military vehicles pass through on their way to the restricted area housing the warehouse. <p> Christ...

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Chhrrsmss-malakamaka ding dong

    by Brians Life

    Man, this guy loves seeing his words on screen. <br><br> Chr, you REALLY like throwing info in people's faces (no matter what conservative pundit you got your misinformation from) I actually agree that Barack Obama is very inexperienced. But he's as experiences for the job of President as a certain Texan that now hold's office.<br><br> As a black man yourself, don't you believe that the president of the US simply NOT being a white rich man will do leaps to improve our international image? I'm not endorsing him...I just try and see every side of the coin<br><br>As for you McCain/Condi Fantasy ticket...while not a conspiracy theorist, I DO hold Condi Rice responsible for the lack of action pre-9/11. She is NOT a competent person.

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 12:49 p.m. CST

    And then there are the times...

    by chaplinatemyshoe

    ...I'm reminded we're all a bunch of film geeks...

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 1:20 p.m. CST

    This is a better Indy teaser...

    by Pukenshette

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Ah just shut up Mori

    by JimCurry


  • Feb. 16, 2008, 1:41 p.m. CST

    There is only one answer to this puritanical movement

    by smackfu

    Full scale civil war against Christians. Anyone....anyone? (crickets)

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 3:39 p.m. CST

    John Waters

    by bernard

    hey hey MPAA, how many movies have you censored today? <p> i think that's how it goes in John Waters' Cecil B. Demented... i wish we could get his comment on this, he is always witty and hilarious, especially when it comes to the the hollywood system. <p> has anyone seen "This Filthy World"? is must see viewing for any John Waters fan.

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 3:45 p.m. CST

    American children shouldn't have to see guns in the cinema...

    by Tourist

    ...George W decreed guns should only be thrust in the face of little ARAB kids.

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 3:58 p.m. CST

    I bet it is more than what we see.

    by Reverend Toast

    I can't say too much about the CGIing out the Guns, but I am pretty sure the whole American Flag thing was forced in there because some people were afraid of too much Nazi references in the trailer... its dumb, and speaks a lot about america, but it was probably done for PR.

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Sigh, ccchhhrrriiisssm

    by I Dunno

    I've made much better people than you look like hopeless dumbasses regarding this issue. If you are still one of the pathetic losers still straggling on this issue then you are really not even worth the time. Not on a movie web site anyway.

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 5:11 p.m. CST

    So the CGI patch job didn't fool

    by kolley kibber

    the denizens of AICN. Much more worrying is the characterisation of the women in this mish mash of a trailer. Spielberg doesn't often get it right with women and the Indiana Jones films have, to date, one great woman in the form of Marion Ravenwood in Raiders and two awful women in the form of Willy Scott in Temple of Doom and 'the blonde' from Crusade. Cate Blanchett seems far too similar to Alison Doody (aka 'the blonde from Crusade') in her 'turncoat bitch' phase at the end of the film and Marion Ravenwood seems to have been reduced from a spunky 'no holds barred, take no prisoners' character to that of 'Banana Republic clad soccer mom'. And while I'm having a gripe.... The appallingly unconvincing digital compositing of the two sparring trucks on the jungle clifftop is a worry for two reasons. 1) It looks like shit. Shittier than the cheap & cheerful optical compositing in the aerial sequence in Crusades which was forgivable on account of being pretty much state of the art in 1989 and having a freewheeling charm about it. 2) Just because you can, chaps, doesn't mean you should. Compare for a moment with the truck sequence from Raiders. No tricks other than the glass matte painting when one of the Nazi jeeps gets shunted off of an impossibly high cliff. The sequence is absurd at times (scaffolding and palm trees magically appear along the otherwise barren desert route just as they serve the purpose of brushing Nazis off the side of the truck) and it's never particularly disguised that it's Vic Armstrong, not Harrison Ford, who is dragged along the deck at the end of a bullwhip (in a shot that despite contemporary claims otherwise is clearly undercranked to 'up' the apparent speed at which the truck is travelling). Non the less, an exiting ride and one which has the stamp of authenticity, despite certain sleigh of hand, because the eye appreciates that what it is seeing is in some way or another 'real'. 28yrs later Georges obsession with CGI has led to a completely phoney looking sequence where the perceived benefit is that it's really the actors who can be clearly seen in a perilous situation. Except that the transparent technology used to achieve this completely undermines the sense of tension. If one scrutinizes the rail cart sequence from Temple of Doom it's more than obvious that the close-up shots are of the actors and anything wider than a mid shot is a puppeteered go-motion miniature. But even the fucking puppets are exciting. They're real. The model set is real. It's executed with enough technical skill to render the disparity in scale all but invisible. SEEING THAT IT'S YOUR EXPENSIVE CAST MEMBERS HAMMING IT UP IN MID SHOTS ON A SOUND STAGE DOES NOT MAKE FOR A BETTER SEQUENCE. It's not the 1950s and this isn't The African Queen. We moved on to a point where it WAS feasible to take a camera on location and move it at high speed and that is what we were given 20 yrs ago. Replete with stuntmen risking life & limb in wide shots or angles designed to hide their face. After all, I'm happy in the knowledge that the shot of Indy running along a row of crates and taking a swinging leap towards a jeep in a warehouse ISN'T Harrison Ford but by the magic of editing the cut to the reverse angle of the actor making the safer portion of the stunt satisfies my mind that it was him. We don't want to be offered 'the impossible' if the cost is verisimilitude. *...and....breathes.....*

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Wow you got all that from a 2 minute trailer?

    by skywalkerfamily

    Overreact much?

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Isn't the shot cleaner without the guns?

    by Dreamfasting

    My first reaction to the two pictures in the article was "the one without the guns is better, cleaner". That's a shot where you want Indy and friend to be the focus of our eyes. In the international version, the guns cover the foreground ... they distract the eye. (on the other hand, that wouldn't explain removing the gun in the background)

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Indiana Jones and the Visible Grip Equipment...

    by Blood Simple

    Pause at around 1:07 - 1:08 in the trailer to get a nice eye-full of grip equipment on the right side of the frame (hard to miss). Looks like we have a nice grouping of C stands and flags. Why was this allowed to stay in the trailer? Weird.

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 5:33 p.m. CST

    In Raiders I always wondered why there were

    by skywalkerfamily

    palm trees in the desert.

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Liberals are to blame

    by Rand92

    It is typical liberal thinking that everyone has to be protected against seeing something offensive. They are the ones who think it is their place to tell us what it good for us and then control how and where we get it. This started years ago during the Clinton Administration with music and video game censorship. They thought that every piece of violence that happened in the world was the fault of tv or music. There was never any personal accountability for ones actions. No one was bad or evil, it was always the fault of something else. The MPAA problem is finally something that cannot be blamed on Bush though no doubt someone will try.

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Aren't Republicans the conservative

    by skywalkerfamily

    ones who like sex in airport bathrooms? Who have aging, rich white guys for Presidential Candidates?

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 6 p.m. CST

    by Rand92

    heh, not saying the repubs are saints, just that the MPAA shit started with Liberals.

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Rand92 movie

    by comedian_x

    censorship started with "the liberals." Have you ever heard of the Hayes code? William Hayes must have the biggest liberal of them all then. Right?

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 6:34 p.m. CST

    RE: Blood Simple

    by griffy651

    Not only did I notice that, but in the shot towards the end where Indy swings on the chain, kicking the guy through the window, it's clear he's not actually holding onto the chain, and you can see light reflecting off the guide wires they are actually suspended from. I'm assuming these are simply trailer problems and will be edited/painted out for the final cut.

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 6:38 p.m. CST

    RE: Rand92

    by griffy651

    Right, it's only liberals that are doing this kind of thing. That's why FoxNews had notorious anti-videogame activist and idiot Jack Thompson on as a "school shooting expert" the day of the NIU shooting, blaming "Half Life Counter Strike" (wtf?) on the shooters actions. Because as we all know, FoxNews is a liberal news station, right? It's not a political problem, but an ignorance problem you tool. Once all these old people die and people that actually grew up with videogames are in political office, they will stop being blamed for societies problems. Same thing that happened with movies and rock n' roll, which were both heavily criticized when they debuted.

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 7:24 p.m. CST

    The ratings crap started with Birth of a Nation

    by skywalkerfamily

    One of the shittiest movies you'll ever see.

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 7:26 p.m. CST


    by Blood Simple

    Good call, missed that last one. I'm sure these will be fixed in the final film, like you said. Just weird in this HD frame-by-frame age that they would leave that stuff in. Kinda sloppy?

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 7:45 p.m. CST

    The flag

    by JackieJokeman

    Military forces chasing our hero. We assume they must be Nazis or some other evil group when, oops, theres the American flag. The evil guys chasing Indy are ours. So calm down you raving lefties.

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 7:45 p.m. CST

    RE: Blood Simple

    by griffy651

    Yeah, it seems they really underestimated us fanatics :P.

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Was the flag added to the US version...

    by zacdilone

    ...or removed from the international one?

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Nobody wanted to see Winstone's junk after "Sexy Beast"

    by MrMysteryGuest

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 8:43 p.m. CST

    The US soldiers AREN'T....

    by Mistahtibbs

    <p>Seriously,</p> <p>I had concerns about US personnel being the new Nazis in this movie but I think what is going on is one of two things.</p> <p>Indy gets pulled from the trunk of a car he's hiding in and surrounded by soldiers. Because he's trying to infiltrate Area 51 or whatever the place is. That's understandable. He's being treated as a spy. But, I think it's more than that.</p> <p>The big fella that backhands Indy, I believe, is the same big fella a moment or two later in the Russkie© uniform that Indy's beating the bejeezus out of. So, I'm thinking those aren't GI Joes but in-disguse GI Joe Stalins...haha.....sorry</p> <p>Regarding the trailer. Settle the hell down people. Jumping Obama Christ on a pogo stick. It's a freaking trailer. Please, for the love of all that's holy, get out and get some fresh air. And maybe laid. That'd help too. Yeah. Now to find my wife.</p> <p>MT</p>

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 11:05 p.m. CST

    This TB stopped suddenly,

    by Stevie Grant

    I was just ready to start trolling...

  • Feb. 16, 2008, 11:46 p.m. CST

    That explained why the dude raised his hands

    by skywalkerfamily

    When there's no guns pointing at him. Also, why isn't that Sallah?

  • Feb. 17, 2008, 3:12 a.m. CST

    No Sallah ...

    by Custom_personality

    ... cause he's too Arabic for Americans ... that's why the American flag was put in as well, just in case the first 10 seconds of the trailer was too foreign.

  • Feb. 17, 2008, 5:03 a.m. CST

    This happens ALL. THE. TIME.

    by halsolo

    Have worked in trailers, and had to replace, comp out, add temp vfx, the works, to anything offensive. Gets so bad sometimes before the MPAA even gets hands on it had to jump the gun for shots that probably should take weeks to do proper, in a matter of hours, if lucky a few days. This is nothing new, its the usual MPAA, and the studios terrified they won't make the release date and just getting what needs doing ready in time. Pain, but that's why more Red Band trailers are a great thing (like Pineapple Express for example) - it is what it is. Besides, kinda fun to get the riduclous requests and pull it off with some smoke and mirrors.

  • Feb. 17, 2008, 6:14 a.m. CST

    Holy shit, ccchhhrrriiisssm

    by I Dunno

    You forgot to call me a "libtard". You also missed "LIEbral". Do you really want to argue about Bush's corporate successes by citing his building of a stadium? Get his cock out of your mouth long enough to look up Arbusto, Spectrum 7 Energy Corp and Harken Energy. <p>But who gives a shit about his past? Oh, then you mention Woodward's book, Bush at War. You forgot the one he wrote after that, Plan of Attack, where he basically said that Bush intended to go to invade Iraq back in 2002 and didn't give a shit whether they had WMDs or not. You, like your hero, seem to cherry pick whatever sliver of information supports your bullshit.</p><p>You may proceed with the puerile namecalling now</p>

  • Feb. 17, 2008, 8:44 a.m. CST

    Guns Or No Guns

    by christophermoltosante

    i enjoyed the trailer and im really looking forward to this film.

  • Feb. 17, 2008, 10:34 a.m. CST

    I'm Not seeing it...

    by winman43

    Been reading this thread with interest, but the trailer I've viewed online has the guns in it. I also manager a theatre, and all our trailers have the guns as well. Where is this 'Edited' trailer showing?

  • Feb. 17, 2008, 10:34 a.m. CST

    American Presidents

    by IndiAbbey Jones

    All the soliders in the trailer are named after American Presidents. They are Russians in disguise.

  • Feb. 17, 2008, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Indiana Jones Music Video

    by CaptainWhacky

    For anyone interested, there is a really funny parody of the Counting Crows song "Mr. Jones" about Indiana Jones up on youtube now. The link is...

  • Feb. 17, 2008, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Above Music Video

    by CaptainWhacky

    There was a space put in the music video link so it doesn't work. So either take out the space or here is the correct one.... I also forgot to mention in the last post how badass I thought this trailer was. Can't wait for this movie.

  • Feb. 17, 2008, 2:37 p.m. CST

    NEW RULE: Cate Blanchett Is A FINE Piece Of Ass!

    by Bill Maher

    She can dress like a commie and collectivise me anytime. I'd love to hear her say "Pushkin" as I liquidate her Trotsky!

  • Feb. 17, 2008, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Jock was probably 25 in 1935

    by skywalkerfamily

    He'd be in his forties in this new movie.

  • Feb. 17, 2008, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Haha, those comparison pics are mine!

    by matrixagent111 I whipped them up in Photoshop and put them on IMDb 3 days ago. They must have spread to CHUD from there. And now they're all over the Internet! I feel slightly famous kind of.

  • Feb. 18, 2008, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Another Raiders?

    by Kaitain

    "I hope I am wrong in my assesment and the movie kicks ass but so far I havent seen anything that indicates we have another RAIDERS." Well, yeah, let's face it, if the movie is any good, it'll be the first good Indy flick for 27 years.

  • Feb. 18, 2008, 3:01 a.m. CST


    by Lost Jarv

    Let me get this straight, I pointed out, politely that this had already been covered, twice. <P>But you in your all consuming arrogance misguidedly believe that your precious insight is more important than reading the TB to see what had been covered. <P>I didn't say I didn't like the documentary, I just re-iterated what someone else wrote. I actually liked the first 3rd of it, but when he developed an obsession with naming the MPAA at the cost of further insight I lost interest. My other likes and dislikes are well documented, but I thank you for putting me straight and giving meaning to my otherwise pointless existance.<P> You, sir, are a cunt.

  • Feb. 18, 2008, 7:50 a.m. CST


    by stamper


  • Thank you for the constant updates, as all these changes are news to me. When I had watched the Indiana Jones trailer for the first time, I thought I was seeing the final product, and I was a bit worried because it did seem fake in some places, and maybe a little bit overdone. Even though I wasn't able to catch what exactly was wrong with it, at least there are others who did, and they were able to share what they found. I'm still excited to see the hero with the fedora and whip come back, but the older side of me is worried and cautious about it. These pictures reveal more sinister actions at work, and I agree that it's the MPAA's doing. Censorship sometimes seems so bad here in the U.S. Things were fine as is, the trailer wasn't hurting anyone by having guns, and taking them out just seems to cheapen the value that it had. Even though this is probably only being done for the trailer, I still fear the possibility that they might do something like carry this on to the actual final product, or if not that, then the DVD (Reminds me of the Han Solo shooting first issue in Star Wars). I realized, considering how this information came through a forum, and then posted to a blog, that the internet has really become THE tool for finding the latest information when it comes to stuff like movies and entertainment. And the fact is, it's a tool that everyone can have a part in. I imagine that, as you do use it as a means to find some information for your posts, you are in support of this. But I was just wondering, what are your thoughts on the fact that anyone can now report on the latest happenings in the industry, especially since you are a writer and editor of the site? Do you think this is going to replace things like magazines as the source for the latest info, despite the fact that not all the sources will be the most reliable on the internet? Thanks for the updates, I'll be checking back again to find out the latest on what's happening with Indiana Jones.