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INDIANA JONES And The Glory Of Apple QuickTime!!
Merrick here...
We've seen the recently leaked bootlegged version, but follow the picture for the real thing!!!
This trailer further validates my assertion that, despite its repetitive nature, Brian Tyler's CHILDREN OF DUNE is one of the kick assiest scores of the last decade (it's the intro music here, before the Indiana Jones Theme kicks in).
I love the slightly enhanced kinetics of the aerial bullwhip action (speed, kicking someone in mid air, and whatnot).
If the alien angle isn't played too heavily, and if there aren't too many one liners, this could be fun.
This trailer further validates my assertion that, despite its repetitive nature, Brian Tyler's CHILDREN OF DUNE is one of the kick assiest scores of the last decade (it's the intro music here, before the Indiana Jones Theme kicks in).
I love the slightly enhanced kinetics of the aerial bullwhip action (speed, kicking someone in mid air, and whatnot).
If the alien angle isn't played too heavily, and if there aren't too many one liners, this could be fun.
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Can it be?
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always get a damn error message
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Let the games begin (again)...
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What was that about anyway?
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my mind turns to that of a 12 yr old.
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now i gotta wait til i get home from work to see it properly.....government internet connections arent entirely reliable...lol
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Feb 14, 2008 8:07:36 AM CST
Yeah, I hate the Yahoo link - my office always Fraks it up...
by abin sur
Anybody got a direct download link to an HD version? Anybody??
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I just can't wait to hear how much people hate it or how much they love it.
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still!
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has anyone here seen Jumper? I was planning to see that this weekend, but if it isnt any good(21% fresh at Rotten Tomatoes right now) I might just go check out Spiderwick(actually pretty good) with this trailer. If nothing else, it will be like a blast back to my childhood.
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You heard it here, first.
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That was sweet to see. I gots the goose-pimples. Indy's still Indy, but slipping a bit due to age which is just perfect.
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Indy has just jumped to my most anticipated summer movie.
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despite the fact that I already watched the bootlegged thing, which was slightly disappointing, I'm still excited...I must go completely nuts, that's it. I hope Indy's part-time comment sounds a bit better in this version...
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Fuck the haters. I hope your faces melt like the Nazi scum you are.
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on my arm!
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I would like to make love explosion on this trailer's stomach. Great Success!!!
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That looked SO fucking sexy
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y-y-y-y.
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that does look great. Indy, Batman, R2-ET (sorry Wall-E), Pineapple Express - this is going to one hellacious summer
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MY KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL FOR A DIRECT DOWNLOAD!!
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And this movie´s teaser is ok too.
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So far so good, still have not seen the trailer but I like what I'm hearing. Would that be crazy if everyone on here actually liked the trailer??
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It's the closest looking to Raiders. CGI is a little weird but no more so than the matte lines around the water on the cliff face in Temple.
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Come on, Ford can't even sell the funny lines anymore. It's not that he looks to old, where's the charm? Plus we get some kind of Die Hard gymnastic bullshit?
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What the heck!?!
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I felt like I was 12 all over again. Screw the age-ists. HF is the man! (The addition of all the new tech and special FX ain't gonna hurt either!)Cannot wait for opening day! Thank you George and Steven!!
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someone have a direct link in hd to download on my pc the trailer?
INDY IS BACK, i hope for another trilogy... FORD IS GREAT i want hem i more movies...before the series pass to Shia... i want just FORD!!!! he's the core of this movies!!! -
How? Anyone got a link of know if it's possible.
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Yeah, "This ones for the fans" and "very little CGI" my ass. Whatever Steve. Is this surprising? 10 years ago, this would have been a great trailer. Now it just feels old and stale like every other cinematic turd shat out by a major studio. Oh, and the dialogue is truly wretched.
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Bad ass! Bad ass! Bad ass! Bad ass! Bad ass! Bad ass! Bad ass! Bad ass! Bad ass! Bad ass! Bad ass! Bad ass! Bad ass! Bad ass! Bad ass! Bad ass! Bad ass! Bad ass! Bad ass! Bad ass! Bad ass! Bad ass!
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It looks fucking rad.
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Ok, that was much better than the bootlegged experience. Why? Because I actually could see Indy's frakking face. Love the way Indy is grabbing his head in the beginning. Gotta see it again...
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"davestrailerpage.co.uk", just add three w's in front of that.
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...is the Michael Bay trailer music over the first half. It sounds like an ad for ARMAGEDDON 2, especially when you see the American flag waving.
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grabbing his HAT..
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great answer!!!
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It usually works the second time.
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if you knock Indy Jones' hat off.
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I have been waiting way to long for that and it didn't suck. Need to watch it a couple thousand more times.
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did cut that trailer personally. Just my opinion, though.
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His reponse was: "Part time".
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All the previous films have extensive outdoor scenes,.....this one looks to have the CGI cam'd(waterfall) stuff that Lucas loves,.....
You know the kind,....show a CGI world,...as an establish,...then quick cut to a scene you know is a set.
Crusade was plaugued with this,....and this looks to be the same.
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Can't wait.
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what the hell where they thinking using this shit? generally the beginning is a bit too much, with those "whooosh,whooosh" sounds added to the footage of the previous films. And then the American flag.... ?!???
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grin when the Raiders march played.Man that was great. 97 days and counting...
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I think I've stained them.
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Always love hearing the Children of Dune music in trailers, I think that's where it's from.
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so we've got the warehouse from the end of Raiders (what's he getting out of there? the ark??) and we've got Roswell popping up in the trailer....please dont suck....
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but it wasn't all I'd hoped for - I know Indy's a guy you can rely on to do the right thing, but I always enjoy the trouble he's aware it will cause him in his voice. The big enter-titles (inter-titles) seemed a little too good for him? Thank god we finally got another Indy though :D
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Harrison, I know you have the personality of five-day old toast in real life, but at least PRETEND like you can still emote and deliver a line.
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cannot fucking wait; my #1 summer flick even more anticipated than TDK or Hellboy 2!
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...to the person who provides us with a direct download link!
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Not for symbolic purposes of any sorts just a anchor for the time frame and locale of the beginning of the movie.
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Srsly
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but the idea of aliens still bugs me... just doesn't feel like sci-fi should be part of Indy's world...
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He deserves a great Indy movie, and with Karen Allen around, this could have been it. But damn if Shia doesn't spoil the whole thing. I'm really dreading him, and it's a shame Spielberg and Lucas had to throw him in there.
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yes yes yes yes yes yyyesy yes!!!
that was awsome. the grin!!! i thought it was closer!!
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Feb 14, 2008 8:33:50 AM CST
is it me?...It all looks very phoney...like an over-lit movie se
by fleshmachine
i really want to be excited about this but that trailer left me underwhelmed.
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...watching the first TV trailer during the final episode of Family Ties in 1989. I can still feel the excitement, and also the sadness of realizing Indy was going to ride off into the sunset forever. Seeing Indy again in this trailer, looking and sounding just like he should, has turned me into a 13 year-old boy again. Thanks to all involved for bringing the magic back!!
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oops titles get cut off.
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Feb 14, 2008 8:35:42 AM CST
SEEMS TO BE A BIT MUCH OF THE DIE HARD 4.0 STYLE CGI
by bringingsexyback
I liked old school Indy better when he wasn't swinging like Spider-Man.
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Buy some viagra and shut up. This teaser rocks.
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You don't like the Last Crusade?? that movie is great. I'm not a huge fan of Temple of Doom that didn't really have much of a plot to me. Anyway hope this is great.
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if only you spoke Hovitos.
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If this is a good film we must ALL resolve to laud Spielberg down to the 5th unit. Heck even praise Martha, George's ex.... But we must in no way acknowledge GL because he lucked into Indy Jones.
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The art of trailer-making (which is a different art to filmmaking) has developed to such a degree over the last twenty years that nowadays, NO action movie can possibly hope to live up to its own trailer. It pains me to have to explain this to (apparently) intelligent people - but it UPSETS me when intelligent people HAND OVER THEIR BRAINS AND MONEY to a MARKETING CAMPAIGN. So now let's look at some FACTS: 1. You have seen about a minute and a half of footage, designed by the best experts in the business to get you excited. Yes, it's fun - but it's NOT the movie. 2. The MOVIE itself (not the trailer - the MOVIE) has been made by three people who were at their best THIRTY years ago. The magic is long gone and they have proved this over and over again. 3. The basic premise of the movie was cooked up by George Lucas - Spielberg and Ford HATED it for years and refused to have anything to do with it. Now HATE is a strong word. The story must REALLY suck. 4. George Lucas came up with the story. George Lucas? Do I need to remind people? Do I REALLY need to write twenty pages explaining why this is wrong? 5. Spielberg and Ford were ready to shoot the Frank Darabont (Shawshank Redemption) script. Now THAT I would like to see. But Lucas rejected it so we get the Crystal Skull instead. 6. Like the Star Wars prequels, Lucas is continuing the franchise by introducing a 'family' element: Shia leBoeuf being Indy's son and Marion Ravenwood being Shia's mom. Just like the Brady Bunch. Aw, that's sweet. Hope they put in an adorable and comic housekeeper and some canned laughter too. 7. The history of resussitated franchises isn't exactly inspiring. I'd say there's a hit rate of one in twenty managing to come up to the level of the original. Lucas' invovlvement in this area needs no comment from me. 7. Lucas is involved. That's George Lucas, permanent nominee at the Razzie awards. And no, he doesn't care what you think.
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that movie was waaaay better than the kids party aka Temple of Boredoom
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Funny, I actually omitted a few sentences referencing just that. I think *many* movies lack photographic subtlety these days - like what you're seeing in this trailer.
Compare the texture/look of movies today to films of the 70s and 80s, for example. There's a *big* difference in their overall appearance. They look more like sitcoms now, instead of nuanced pieces of art. -
And hey, Shia LaBufu didn't say "NO!" even once. Gotta be a record for him...
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That's awesome! Roll on May!
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Still looks good to me....
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people that let tiny nitpicks ruin an entire movie experience for them. Enjoy your disappointment, I won't have any.
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in Indy's sidekick? Take a closer look when they're both holding their hands up, and you will notice that they CG'ed Indy's sidekick from the waist down for some reason...strange.
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Feb 14, 2008 8:43:22 AM CST
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade Part 2: Return of the Stupid
by jwnulife
O.K. this is NOT a good teaser. Ironically, The Last Crusade, while most certainly the worst of the trilogy had one of the best teasers ever. But Speed Fricassee is right. Too much jokey dialogue. I don't need to see another Last Crusade.
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...to hide my enormous package. Zing!
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Again finds the magic art of PACING. Jaws. the perfectly paced film. War of the Wars, after a great start, grinded to a halt. Pacing Steven, pacing.....
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Everyone saw it on the other thread. Now you just look like a pedantic fuckmonkey.
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He has a track record and people have wisened up to him.Cheering on Spielberg all the way here and hoping for a home run. As for Lucas, send him on holiday if they make a 5th film.
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I am, yes.
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Do you know if this was filmed in digital or film? I thought Spielberg was sticking with film forever.
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Harrison Ford is probably in my top 5 favorite actors of all time list, but he has had a rough decade. I hope that this can bring him back to his former greatness and get him some good roles again.
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Friggin' clicked on the "post" button too friggin' early...
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I love this trailer. Please oh please don't let me down Lucas. Ace this and much will be forgiven.
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THIS IS FUCKING AWESOME...Just like I thought it was going to be. Screw all you dumbass haters...HARRISON FORD is the MAN! A bit too much CGI for my liking though...I thought they were keeping it to the minimum...? whatever...HELL YES DR JONES IS BACK
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rewatched this a bunch of times, each time expecting to be irritated by the CGI, and not once actually having been. I have remained staunch all along that the Berg is going to deliver big-time on Indy IV and this confirms it. I was so against CGI in this movie but now I see that it Spielberg's mission to use it for good and not evil. Berg, I love you man. Thankyou for bringing Indy back to me.
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you are now invited to stop watching movies...or I hear there will be another Meet The Spartans coming out soon.
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He actually stopped for a punchline before knocking out the badguys? That doesn't bode well at all.
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and not digital.
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Oh, I'm pretty sure that that's John Hurt with Indy and Mac in the boat/jeep thing they're driving alongside a cliff.
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OR i SHOULD say REPOST the WAY you DO
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I've seen all of the Indy films numerous times and I don't understand how anyone can hate any of them honestly. They are all great action/adventure films and I simply cannot imagine myself watching an Indy film and going "God, I hate this movie!" I am pretty sure that Speilberg wouldn't risk destroying the legacy of Indy. Kingdom of the Crystal Skulls is going to kick some serious fucking ass, so fuck you to all you jealous naysayers who couldn't direct a movie with the amount of talent in Spielberg's prostate. LONG LIVE INDY. I will be there on day one with my ticket, my coke, and my popcorn. WOOOOHOOO INDY IS BACK!!!! And to the guy who said that trailers can be deceiving, yes they can, but they can also be dead on too.
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but somehow for me, wasn't. I don't know if I want to see this now. I was pumped for a new Indie flick and was convinced that Mr Ford, despite his age could pull it off. The first time I watched it, I liked it. Second time round, seems less like Indina Jones. More like Harrison doing an impression of Indiana Jones. Sounds crazy, but I hope you get me.
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Thats good stuff man, that's why I'm here. I come for the movies but stay for the real entertainment. So you will not see this movie? is that correct? are you going on the record today Feb 14th 2008 and saying you will not go see this film? I'm I understanding this correctly? Anyway that was a really good write up.
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Repost: was trying to put in paragraphs this time, at the request of Lost Jarv - didn't seem to work. People need space to breathe when they're reading a rant. Anyone know how to put in paragraphs? Anyway, here's a question: at one pont in the trailer there's this young guy running along the top of the crates, wearing Indy-style clothes. He jumps off the crates before they cut to a shot of Ford hanging from his whip. Who is the young guy, though? Is that supposed to be Shia?
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exactyl!...all the production stills for this had the same "too clean" look. I felt the same with the SW prequels. Among a zillion other problems, one was that everything felt very flat...not enough shadows, no grain...very non-dramatic lighting when compared to the first 3 films. I think a certain amount of grainy film and more natural lighting really helps suck you into the "reality" of a film. (raiders and star wars did exactly that). So far too much of this feels staged. of course we know it IS staged...but it shouldn't be obvious. This new Raiders (i assume) warehouse stuff is a perfect example...i know the end of raiders was largly a matte painting, but we bought it as being real (and awesome!). In these new shots I can almost feel the crew's presence and the caterers on the other side of the doors. But something about this seems to lack a certain organicness(?) that an indy film really should have. Don't get me wrong I'll still be first in line.
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Indiana Jones..."Indina Jones"..Pff. I am a dooofus.
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I just started tearing up....at the scene where he misses the jeep and lands in the windshield. Still, the 10 year old in me is jumping for joy! Welcome back Indy, we missed you.
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But he's such a shitheel he may have retyped it.
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2nd unit perhaps?!
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I believe it was shot on film. Has that digital "look" though, don't it?
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The Ultimate Action MILF
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I've just watched it for thwe tenth time, and I'm having the same reaction. And it's not just how the trailer is cut or the music they use; it looks kinda plastic, and the jokes seem pretty forced. I will be there on opening day, but I'm starting to get a bad feeling about this one.
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That's right, J Lo. I've said it here before and the trailer doesn't change my mind. I'm not handing over my cash to Lucas again. I will however, come back here to say, 'I told you so' to the fanboys when they come back here crying after seeing the movie.
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Type but leave out the spaces.
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until I saw the crate with Roswell New Mexico on it. What I don't understand is that the first and third films were based Christian based. The Ark and the Holy Grail. Now if this film has an alien skull, proving aliens exist that means Jesus and the Bible are wrong. WTF!?
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I'm relying on you.
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I get your point and it is a good one. I really don't hate any of those Indy movies either, not even Temple of Boredoom. I just think that T.O.DOOM offers a bit too much kiddie stuff and therefore slightly annoys me. Just slightly.
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First time I saw the aliens, especially in the far background, I was like Whoaa!! (like what LeMadCow does) ...
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but it had Snake Suprise and Monkey Brains and a heart rip-out scene. That should automatically boost it above Crusade
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the Crystal Skull was an alien skull from the ALien movies. Indy finds the skull and then a Predator appears and theyfight. Alien vs predator vs Indy!
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Lucas' ex wife is Marcia... not Martha...
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I agree about the 'comic' timing before he delivers the line. "I thought it was closer". The two guys in the truck wait five seconds for him to say his punchline and then allow him to hit them. Now THAT is as bad as anything Lucas did in the Star Wars prequels: it's on the same level. Those two actors must have been embarrassed to be forced to act so unnaturally.
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I kept waiting for Jones to whip out his Mastercard. The action looks alright, but from the little bit seen, Ford seems to phoning it in. Never been a big fan of Koepp. Except for Echoes, his scripts have severe pacing problems. I'm excited, but worried.
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how to put in paragraphs here! ROFLMAO.
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Especially with the Shorty scenes ... but out of the 3, it was the LEAST child-friendly Indy movie.
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It shows his age, and how he's a little clumsier. He's a challenge to himself, in addition to his obstacles and enemies. Don't get me wrong, I consider LC the weakest and nearly died a little on the inside when I heard Indy 4 was closer to LC in tone.
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wasn't too far off with his teaser description from a couple of weeks ago..the details are off but it was close...
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Feb 14, 2008 9:03:35 AM CST
And if I want advice from you, I'll ask for it, Lost Jarv
by merriman lyon
And just for your condescension, I won't be bothering with paragraphs. Don't like my posts? Don't read 'em. I'm finished reading yours.
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For anyone having trouble downloading HD content from Yahoo movies, I suggest you get Quicktime Alternative and then download and install MOV Download Tool (http://www.codecguide.com/download_other.htm#movdltool).
That will intercept the direct link to the movie and allow you to download the trailer.
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Indy dies in the end of this movie. Give's Shia his trademark hat and whip. Feels up Marion one last time
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Feb 14, 2008 9:04:38 AM CST
THOSE SOUTH AMERICAN INDIANS LOOK LIKE THE APOCALYPTO CREW
by bringingsexyback
Those are some hardcore muhfuhs.
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I believe it does. You think if aliens were to come to earth they would come with a bible in the glove box. Most Christians I know do not believe in Alien life becuase it does not mention it in the bible.
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..why the American Beauty animation? You didn't have an Indiana Jones animation in the archives??
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I love the look of it. Reminds me of the old ones. Have high hopes now.
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That ending would make me cry. Only because Shia becomes the next Indy. I really, really hate Lucas.
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Why is anyone who wants to 'told you so' fanboys on this movie even bothering to post? This movie is what we have all been waiting for -Genuinely talented and brilliant producers, writers, directors and actors making a new movie with truly classic sensibilities. This film may actually be more relevant today than Raiders was all those years ago! Just have a bit of faith and allow yourselves to get excited about SS, GL and HF together again for the last time... You know you want to...
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Feb 14, 2008 9:08:10 AM CST
Please tell me you don't want all those damn smoke machines
by mister man
Nothing sucks worse than a bunch of "atmospheric smoke." I love the crisp, clean look - especially of films in the 40s, 50s Technicolor period. Perhaps it's evoking the cinematic time era, I dunno. But, you know you have a hack director, when he/she pumps the room full of smoke, making it look like the set is on fire. Love the looks of this film.
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...on Paramount Blu-Ray Disc!! ;)
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...Raiders was Judeo (or Judeo-Christian, if you want to force the issue), whereas Crusade was strictly Christian.
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Number one, the existence of aliens doesn't prove the Bible wrong. Most of our current scientific knowledge did that alreadyTwo, you skipped Temple of Doom. That was more contradictory to the Judeo-Christian nature of the other films than mere aliens.Merriman Lyon, no one gives a rat's ass whether or not you're going to see this film. Hanging out in a TB for a film you're not interested in makes you look like a sad souche though.
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wow....Speilberg used to understand comic timing and visual tone. I hope that "missed swing" gag is edited better in the film..at the very least indy should have knocked out the bad guys THEN said that silly line, bad feeling indeed.
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No goosebumps whatsoever. This has to be the worst teaser ever concocted by Spielberg or Lucas. There's no flow to it, no love for the mythology, no respect for the character. I will, of course, be one of the first in my circle of friends to see it - but I can't say that I am excited anymore after seeing that. This feels like a DOA effort that will do nothing but tarnish what I consider to be a favorite part of my childhood. What a let-down.
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Imho, TOD was the most child-friendly of the trilogy. The story about child labour of course isn't but the overall movie is. Why are there so many kids in it? And Short Round, that little annoying brat, is the most kid-friendly comic relief character I've seen (in an Indy movie).
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Temple=Hinduism, Last Crusade=Christianity, Crystal Skull=Scientology?????????
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GOD created everything (supposedly) nowhere does it say, On the 8th day GOD created little green men that lived two galaxy's down. I for one am a man of science and believe in alien life. I think there are other intelligent life forms out there and they may very well believe in some higher power but I'd be willing to bet it's completely different than any of the religions on earth.
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thats Shia's character...you think they'll pass the torch and start a new series?
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... how is ripping a dude's heart out of his chest kiddie stuff? I will admit, I watched the movie when I was a kid, just like with Raiders and Last Crusade but it doesn't mean it was a kiddie movie. I respect your opinion though.
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The hilarious thing about this debate is that an advanced civilization capable of traversing the vast distances required for interstellar travel probably wouldn't be silly enough to believe in 'God'.
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really
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It tore his shoulder out his socket - his lost control of his bowels soiling himself all the way down to his legs and was left hanging moaning for 20 seconds till his grip gave out.
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I'll be there opening day too pissing myself with excitement. But I have this strange feeling that I'm going hope sad. Hope were both wrong!
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I get what you're saying in that TOD has a lot of kids (Shorty, the Maharaja, the slaves) but of all the Indy movies, it's really the last you wanna bring children to watch, with all the monkey brains and heart procedures and stuff. And I disagree about Short Round - he totally rocks. He is definitely Indy's spiritual successor, not Amish Fonzie LeBeef.
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Fred Willard isn't busy at the moment.
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It doesn't say anything in the Bible about galaxies at all, yet we know they exist. It doesn't say anything about the mineral-feeding, sunlight-shunning creatures at the bottom of the sea either, yet they exist.
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because it was considered less kid friendly. the heart whipping the child whipping etc..
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is respect your opinion, too! :-)And you have a good point there with the heart-ripping thingie, though I also admit that I watched that flick as a fourth-grader. Unfortunately not in a theatre but "only" on VHS...
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And yet Lord knows every last one of you will be in that damn theater seat on May 22.
Raiders is my all time favorite movie. I've seen all of the Young Indy flicks, have read all the novels - I was so nervous that this tteaser would let me down in fact I couldn't imagine it living up to my expectations and yet it blew me away. I love the look. Ford looks and sounds great as does Shia. These movies are a throw back to the old serials. Even Raiders had those over the top moments where a quip is thrown out in the most unrealistic time, but there was enough darkness, enough seriousness and enough of a human quality to the characters that made us all care. Sometimes I think some of you make up your minds to talk shit and NOTHING could have ever changed your minds. Thats sad. Do yourselves a favor and allow yourself to be entertained like the days back before you could get on some website and give your opinions like someone gives a shit. Before you could try to be the "cool different" one thats DOESN'T like what everyone else does. As for me, I had goosebumps and a big goofy smile on my face when I watched it. And I think I will for a while. -
I want to make make babies with you. I want to do it to you all night long.
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I expect to find no knowledge at all in your little book.
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Yes I do.
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I think that when he said "I thought that was closer" it was perfect timing because the 2 guys were still in shock about what happened so he still had time to punch them out. Indy is used to doing shit like that but those other 2 henchmen aren't used to that shit so they were stunned by it. Besides, if he said the line after he punched them it would've been too late and it wouldn't have worked as well. Besides that, if you watch that part of the trailer again, you can obviously see that it was heavily edited for the trailer because when he is swinging down the truck is going the other way so that prior scene may not even go with the subsequent scene the way it showed it. I highly doubt the two go together like that.
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I'm going to be checking back in May to see if you give in. If you don't go see this movie you will truely be a badass in my eyes.
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I wouldn't mind a Fred Willard Remo flick, but shouldn't they at least give Fred Ward a call first?
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and I totally get what you're saying. But I always thought about that monkey brain scene as one of the more childish, naive moments in TOD.
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Since when is the American Flag waving in a movie a bad thing?
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It doesn't mention beacuse the people that wrote the bible were to stupid to know they existed.
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His name is "Mutt" in the movie. Henry jones Jr chose "Indiana" After his dog. Could this film be a handover from old adventurer to new little shit? Oh god. Pass me my rifle. Is it loaded?
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Of course he's going to see it, but do you think he'd ever admit it? Or that he liked it after painting himself into a corner like that? Not a chance.
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I think we watched a different trailer. You are way off.
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bring balance to the force. Do you believe it's this......................................................................boy????????????
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I've been trying my best to avoid any plot spoilers about this movie whatsoever, so even the use of the word "Alien" came as a surprise to me. Call me sensitive, but I wish I didn't even hear about that. I didn't see anything in the Teaser that suggest aliens, so um, spoiler warning?
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So, couldn't they have been "too stupid" to know about the possibility of alien life as well then?
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I expect anyone not liking this trailer to get shot in Columbine by your local geek who think he is superior to the movies. DIE NAZI SCUM !
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poorly made Rear Window rip-offs.
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I agree 200% with what you said man. People need to quit bitching and just enjoy what is sure to be a wonderful film.
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than why on earth do you read a thread like this in the first place???
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Just because it's not mentioned outright as in "here's the part with the Greys, Jesus." ROman 3:18, doesn't mean that their aren't aliens. Look at some of the creatures in the Bible like the creature that Ezekial meets or a lot of the things from Revelation. I believe that God created everything. And that there has to be life on other worlds and if it is highly more advanced than us, who is to say that they don't have their own form of Bible. It's also funny to hear people say they believe in aliens but they can't believe in God. When the universe is so vast and so beyond our understanding and yet we still claim to know it all. I don't even care if you believe in the Christian God, but how can you not believe that there isn't a creator(s)? I think that's kind of small minded.
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You downloaded it on digital HD ! Morons !
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Indy has already dealt with all of the temporal shit. It's time for him to come face-to-face with some otherworldly shit, like aliens. I am psyched to see how they pull it off. :)
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Exactly. They were, which means the bible was written by people, its a collection of stories. They didn't know about space and planets so they didn't include it. None of it is the word of GOD.
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You have a great point there. For you people who want to avoid any spoilers, for God's sake get the FUCK off this site right NOW. LOL.
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The trailer reeked of a bad Star Wars prequel. Don't get me wrong, I'll be rushing to the theater to see this movie, but, the trailer really killed alot of the excitement I had.
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What a joyless experience the movies must be for you!
This trailer has all the idiosyncrasies of the other Indy films! Beautiful cinematography, great action, humor, awesome soundtrack!
As for CGI - so what! It makes more possible visually and can broaden the scope of the action...
You people only seem to think CGI is a bad thing if George Lucas is involved in the movie!
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Yeah! That Trailer is sweet. Seems like my theater will have to make room 'cause come may and Indy, I'll be moving in for a week or two.
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It's not small minded to not believe in a creator. I think it's small minded to believe that some 'santa claus in the sky' being just poofed us all into existence one day out of boredom.
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in this film, Indy, Mutt, and Marion have a dance number with the aliens and Will Smith shows up singing, "Here come the Men in Black, to help you to remember." That would be almost as brillant as Lucas casting Jake Lloyd in Phantom Menace.
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Since we Americans are now the 'bad guys' in the world, flying our flag in movies is just going to piss people off even more. We really have nothing to be proud of these days.
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You just said that you will be rushing to the theater to see the movie, so it doesn't matter if it killed your excitement or not. They will still get your money. Mission accomplished. :)
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It makes you realise how bad the blockbuster shit is that we've had to stomach over the past 15 years. God, this two minute alone is better than all the Spiderman movies and all the Michael Bay garbage combined.
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I do believe in a higher power. I just don't believe in you so called GOD but I do belive there is something else.
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I'm there.
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But the Snakara stones would be considered Hindu relics right? The Thugee cult would be the equivalent of the Nazis in Raiders and Grail, using the relics for an evil purpose.
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...moaning over Indy's quip (more of a spoken-out-loud reflection on Indy's part) - I'll bet you just cringe in anguish when Indy shares a giggle with the Nazi in Raiders before punching his bitch ass out the door of that truck.
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spoilers. And if the main theme of the movie is about aliens, do you really think you would be able to avoid that all the way to opening day?
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CANNOT WAIT! This will be the best damn thing in a looooong time.
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the world is 6,000 years old. Give me a break. Go look at carbon dating you idiot.
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I thought Fred Ward was Fred Willards's stunt double, my bad. I'd be happy to either one walk on water, with that support board just faintly visible below the surface.
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I thought we were all on the honor system here. If he says he didn't see then he didn't see it.But we'll see when may comes around and everyone else in the world watches the movie except him. He did have some great points in his arguement and it made me laugh so that's what counts for me.
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fuckouttahere there could be 50 too many 1 liners and be about nothing except aliens..and it will still be fun..have ye no faith? you think this circle of people reunited to make a non fun movie?...and don't anyone mention $,of course its impossible to have too much,but that is not what motivates them
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Now, this seems to be beyond the ability of fanboys to imagine, but there are people who can use their intelligence to make a decision and stick to it. I'm not seeing this movie and that's all there is to it. There's NO NEED for me to see this movie. You guys will all blindly see it and complain about it afterwards. That is worth more entertainment to me than the movie could possibly offer. I also don't NEED to SAY I won't see it and then go and see it. That makes no sense. I don't need to do that - that WOULD make me an idiot. I've learned enough about this movie already to know that it is a waste of time. And that trailer, skilful though it is, let slip some of the problems the movie has - such as the poorly timed and ill-advised 'humour' and the fact that half the time, Indy is being played by a young guy in his twenties !!! ( the guy running and swinging from the crates).
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Way too many stiff one-liners and it is obviously overloaded with CGI. This is not upping the bar on the adventure film genre, this is taking it back twenty years and using bad computer graphics to cover up the blemishes. I'm disappointed.
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Actually, I sort of disagree with you there. Since it's an election year and Americans are more involved in the election process than ever before in this country's history I think it's actually a good idea to show the flag like that. There are a lot of positive campaigns like Obama's that give Americans a lot to be proud of. When I think of America I don't just think of the mistakes that the Bush administration made in the past 8 years. I also think of all of the wonderful things that our country has done in the past decades. Besides, this film will take place in the 1950s so it won't have anything to do with the Bush administration's misdeeds and miscalculations.
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Is the only obvious choice to continue the franchise! He isn't a pretty boy, he is a fine actor and he looks just like he could be Indy and Marion's son! It is a superb bit of casting...Ray Winstone looks like he was born to be in an Indy movie...Oh you poor cynics...
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Remove space....:)
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You don't NEED to keep talking either. Your insecurites are painfully obvious merriman.
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You out "bad guys" in quotes. Is that because you don't believe it yourself? Yet you say Americans have nothing to be proud of? This you type where? From your job? From your comfortable home on your nice computer? Right after you read an article on our likely soon to be African American President? ...wow. Need I go on? I'd say we have lots to be proud of. I'd say Indy (as well as the time this movie is set) makes the flying of our flag completely perfect.
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Third time was the charm on the prequels. So I have every confidence that this film is no Phantom Menace. Plus, this film wasn't even directed by Lucas, but rather by Spielberg himself. He's been out of the rollicking adventure movie business for a few years, but based on this trailer I think he's still got it.
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Rat fink, i don't believe you've read the Bible. Why don't you pick it up and read Job sometime. God speaks to Job, tells him to gird himself up like a man and answer his questions, and asks him questions, like "do you know where the morning star lives?" Job can't answer because God is so much bigger than him. Not all information is meant for us humans to understand.
Critch, I don't believe God is as you so beautifuly put is "santa clause in the sky". If you had the power to create anything you wanted wouldn't you do it. Is the world better with nothing in it or with something? and if there is no God, than all life is meaningless, it doesn't matter if you are good or bad because you will die be forgotten and it won't matter anyway. Therefore if you even live to the life expectancy you still spend most of your life asleep so who gives shit if all you do is rot in the ground. People say they only believe in science but isn't science always contridicting itself? 100 years ago people thought that draining fluid out of your brain was releasing ghosts that caused headaches. so the whole "science as a religion' is a stupid argument because science is always going back on itself. -
Circular logic. The fact is, even IF one, several or all religions are "right", and aliens aren't mentioned in the Bible, that STILL doesn't mean one precludes the other.
TOD had a holy, decidedly non-Judeo-Christian artifact in it which was just as real as the Ark and the Grail, which implies that all religions have some sort of truth to them. If one can swallow that, aliens shouldn't be that hard. -
This is an Indy talkback, don't muck it all up with walls of text about politics THANK YOU
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should be Vaders helmet. Indy finds it with a pic of Han Solo and says " Now that's one handsome guy" roll credits. Thhat way it ties all four movies into the Star Wars universe.
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When Did I ever say flying the flag was a bad thing? I argues FOR the flag being there!! You got the wrong fella.
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Go to a religion forum to spout your beliefs for 20 paragraphs I wanna read about the topic.
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enough said. This is going to kick ass!!!
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I GOTTA FEVER....AND THE ONLY PRESCRIPTION...is a little more Short Round....
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that's fine, I already said I don't care if you believe in the christian God, just as long as you believe in something.
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because you are predicating your argument on the notion that all of us fanboys who go see the movie will complain about it afterward. I didn't complain about Transformers after I saw it and I am a Transformers fanboy. I didn't complain about Spider-Man 3 after I saw it because I'm a Spider-Man fanboy. In fact, when other people were talking shit on them after they saw them, I was one of the people who defended them on here. So you're wrong about that. I will probably love Kingdom of the Crystal Skulls and I will probably defend it after I see it, but I can't say that for certain until I see it. And I suggest you quit complaining about it until you see it as well. You mentioned that trailers can be deceiving, but that works both ways. Yes, a trailer can seem really cool to some people and then the movie blows, but at the same time if this trailer was underwhelming for you, it is possible that you could find the movie enjoyable.
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For the link to the Indy Teaser, not to find out a key plot point. If Harry would prefer, I'll go to Comingsoon or IGN for trailers in the future to protect my virgin eyes from spoilers. Sheesh.
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Some of you are mistaking good ol' blue screen compositing for CGI. no, I'm not deny CG was used in the movie, but since when have visual FX been off-limits for the Indy franchise?
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I believe you I really do. I'm going to see it, I think it will be fun. But if it's not I'm not going to complain.Stick to your guns I think you had some valid points, I'm just betting you're wrong this time.
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As long as our current president is calling the shots, we have a lot to be ashamed of. As far as the rest of the world is concerned, we are the 'bad guys'. And I put that in quotes because it's such a subjective thing. I absolutely believe it. And come November when Obama should become our next commander in chief, we'll see how the American people really feel about the black man.
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I misunderstood what you said. I apologize.
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I live my life better than any southern baptist redneck racist that goes to church every sunday. That's the typoe of person you should be afraid of. Christianity is a cult. Free thinking is life.
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Stop fronting. You do NEED to say that you AREN'T going to see the flick because if you DO see it after dumping on it like this, sight unseen, people would be ragging on your ass even more than they are right now. So please, stop insulting our intelligence with your phony antics.
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As far as tone goes, and I liked TOD as far as pacing, etc. What can I say? I'm stoked. It may not be Raiders, but I think it'll be pretty good. And it wasn't one liners that was the problem with Crusade, it was the inconsistent tone and the blahness of much of the final act. The pacing wasn't quite right, and I never bought the father/son thing. Still, not a bad film, just not up to the first two, but even if this is Crusade redux, it's worth seeing in the theater.
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Since this is important to me, just want to make sure you understand that I was FIRMLY SUPPORTING the flag's waving in the trailer. Read my post above - it actually mirrors your's a bit.
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Everybody should relax, this was a contemorary trailer made for today's contemporary idiot audiences. Remember, Spielberg is very open about his distaste for short and quick cuts, he prefers long takes. Well, this is a short and quick cut trailer, so obviously it isn't quite going to gel. Seeing Indiana Jones in Michael Bay mode just doesn't work! But luckily the film itself won't be that way... And lastly, watch the teasers for the last couple Jones movies, and you will see they are all deliberately corny. The only thing this one needed was the voice saying "INDIANA JONES IS BACK". My bet is a lot of the footage here, like him going through the truck, probably doesn't even make it into the move. Or if it does, it will be so minor it flies right past us, like some of the other tongue-in-cheek moments of the past ones. They may have really missed out on the nostalgia factor with this one, there could have been a MUCH MORE original take on the whole thing, but I have faith. The CGI sucks though, and the footage definitely isn't grainy or B-movie enough.
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We'll talk about whatever we want to talk about.
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What? Your opinion is worth more than mine? If I'm a douche, at least I get pussy.
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Some assholes all try to ruin these things.
Much love to Saint Steven, Harrison, and the man, John fucking Williams. The played the restored version (with some missing scenes) of "Superman:The Movie". God just hearing that score took me back 30 years to and 8 year old again, wide eyed in the theater with my two best pals. I am almost looking forward to Williams and Steven working together on nice popcorn flick again, no that heavy Munich stuff . -
You're in an Indy talkback, act accordingly.
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Aesthetically speaking, Obama appears to be a black man. From looks alone, he is more black than anything else. However, biologically speaking, he is just as much white as he is black. His mother is white and his father is black. So he's 50% white and 50% black.
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was on A and E. My bad, trying to type and work.
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Feb 14, 2008 9:42:12 AM CST
rat fink, again you are confusing the followers with the religio
by kloipy
God never says that you aren't allowed to think for yourself. Even Jesus questioned. Just because the followers have tainted peoples idea's of Christianity doesn't mean that what it really stands for is bad. Look at Christ, he forgave everyone, even as they were killing him. And the only time he got angry was when he was in a church because the people were desecrating what the church should be
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I actually fucked up bad. My first post about Obama's campaign and all of that shit was meant to go to specialbeats, not to you. Big mistake, my bad. :P
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Is MILFs.
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Could he be the chunky boy scout from the prologue of Last Crusade? Just wonderin'
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WE DISCUSS POLITICS AN RELIGION IN A MOVIE TALKBACK! WE WILL REGURGITATE EVERYTHING EVER SAID IN ANY OTHER RELIGIOUS OR POLITCAL DISCUSSION EVER IN THE HISTORY OF SUCH DISCUSSIONS. THIS WILL SWAY THE VIEWS OF THOSE WE ARE ARGUING WITH AND WILL CERTAINLY NOT RESULT IN HUNDREDS OF USELESS SPACE WASTING POSTS THAT SOLVE NOTHING AND SERVE NO PURPOSE.
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...and Coolio.
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Why the hell did I buy this 30" cinemasceen if not to watch high-def goodness?
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Oh, shut up. Both of you self-righteous pinheads. Wow.
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Going back and reading your posts it seems you and I are on the exact same page, lol.
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Feb 14, 2008 9:45:36 AM CST
Bloop...which is of course related to any Indy talkback
by just pillow talk
with fair Marion of course.
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Hey guys, this looks absolutely fantastic, and there's no real way around it. You know, I know it, hell, we all know it. So stop the bitching now and just allow yourselves to get a little excited for may for Indiana's return. What's not to love??
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Its also on HDnet in HD
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Sure visual F/X have never been off-limits in the Indy pictures, and they wouldn't be here. But in film, more importantly, important franchises like Indiana Jones and Star Wars, you commit to a universe. And when that real universe is completely altered by glossy, fake-looking, animation in place of the more authentic-looking ILM stuff, you have a big problem.
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Feb 14, 2008 9:46:21 AM CST
Indiana Jones and the kngdom of Jesus Christ, it's the even stev
by deweyoxburger
Shia Lebouf? shoulda went with Paul Rudd or Chris Elliot - they woulda been my first choices.
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If you think the fact that Obama has a white mother is gonna get Cletus the slack-jawed yokel to vote for him, you're even dumber than I thought. The man is black.
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Feb 14, 2008 9:46:50 AM CST
I agree with whomever said this made them feel like a kid again.
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...I grew up with Indy (I was 16 when the last one came out), and I felt like a kid again watching this trailer. I'm all about it.
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Will check that out my 42' Plasma. Those classics from the 70s look so so good restored in HD goodness.
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I think the third part of the Indy trilogy was very low because of the overused jokes through the whole movie. No scene were really frightening like in the first two movies. This trailer seems like they will do this mistake again and deliver a sequel to last crusade instead making a movie with the spirit of Raiders. I hope I'm wrong!
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Do you think that they've been pussified down by media/toys/etc? Shouldn't they be mauling people and causing mayhem? Did you know Warwick will be in the new Chronicles of Narnia movie? Are you a big fan?Do you have a favorite MILF?
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"Granny put away the shot gun willya?" ... Priceless. See, they made better movies in the 80s.
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Who would you want to fuck the most? I go with Nazi chick, with her boots and all.
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Bears are rad.
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Node, I just don't see the point in war/work/love/hate/suicide/genocide/poverty/ect if there is no real meaning to life other than that we just evolved and exist for no purpose. And if there is no real purpose to life than why do we feel the need to kill each other constantly or work our entire lives for nothing but money.
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Starring Jason Biggs and Tara Reid, next month on the Sci Fi Channel
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"Why'd it have to be snakes", "I don't know, I'm making this up as I go.", "Ha ha ha ha... son of a bitch", "Top... Men". The haters are clutching at straws to knock the trailer for having humour in it. Indy's always been funny.
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At least these aren't useless political or religious questions.
1. Bears killed my family (tear)
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Because I need my Indiana Jones! This is probably my most anticipated movie of the summer.
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i can't fucking wait!! i still have to get the trilogy box set. maybe they'll re-release it with a ticket to this thing just in time for it's opening. i already have a banner for this movie up at the theater i work at. i was really impressed with the score, the action sequences, the one-liners and most of all, the fact that indy jones is fucking back!! i'll be watching this trailer again on the big screen with jumper and spiderwick this weekend. i just hope they both don't suck. it'll be 10 years to the day i started getting into movies...hence the username "jig 98". that week will also be fucking awesome for me. may 19-21..college spring break in the keys. the 21st will be the day i buy national treasure 2 on 2-disc. and hopefully 8pm showings for this thing. the 22nd will be the day this opens!! and then the next day is booze-ical!! {it's a musical about beer}. i have absolutly no clue when i'm seeing narnia: prince caspian. if i even see it at all. because no offense to narnia fans. but the first one was a tired, cliched, obvious, loud, annoying, phony mess of a fantasy film at times, other times it had interesting special effects and some badass fight sequences. but overall, it's just passable popcorn stuff and the second one looks about the same to me. i was a huge narnia or lord of the rings or for that matter a golden compass or eragon fan. and i'm not alone in that fight to be sure depending on the box office returns and "loyal" fanbase of all those. oh, and another thing. i hope this gets great reviews and at least decent box office, because i know that just like last year there is a lot of heavy competition and some underdogs but harrison ford and spielberg need this just as badly as lucas and company does. may 22nd will be a day to remember.
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I say Fuck Jesus, bring on The Buddah.
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...or L. Ron.
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I just watched Close Encounters on HD net all the way through with no comercials. They do a lot of those old 70s in HD. Its a pretty cool channel. They also do movie premiers I think the next one is some Eric Bana movie in Austriala.
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Warwick doesn't need to ride a shield, he has the power of flight
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Lovin it, roll on May, can't wait to see the ol' gipper in full effect!
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you will be old someday, too, and you will have your own haters. probably your future offspring.
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FUCKING, FUCKING, FUCKING AWESOME-O AWESOME! FUUUUUUUCCCCCCCKKKKKK!
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But NOW it's up at this website for direct downloading in 720P AND 1080P. http://www.drfoster.f2s.com/
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In that case I will only approve if he poops on Burglekutt as he flies over.
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I feel like I've had my Valentine treat. Though, I feel a little wary of the "age" jokes in there. Hmmmm. Still - Yahoooo!
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Amazing that the score for a Sci-Fi channel miniseries has ended up in so many trailers. It's a pity more people never heard "Inama Nushif", because that was the real masterpiece of the movie.
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Look at the credits! The story is attributed to the guy who wrote Attack of the Clones, and the guy who wrote Rush Hour II!
We're in for a treat!
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I just wanted to let you all know that I'll be seeing this movie a week before any of you at the family of cast and crew screening, so DEEEZ NUTS! (It's catered with an open bar to boot.)
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Actually the bible has many ridiculous stories in it...A geriatric old man collecting all the known species and building a boat, and Joshua stopping the sun to fight in the lords name...it's all kinda crazy.
But more importantly it is a collection of writings and stories deemed by the people in power at the time, to make their fear campaign last and grow stronger..omitting any and all texts, scrolls, and/or hand carved tablets that would contradict the message of control and fear.
But it does mention Angels..made by God..The angels are represented throughout the Bible as a body of spiritual beings intermediate between God and men: "You have made
him (man) a little less than the angels" (Psalm 8:6). They, equally with man, are created beings; "praise ye Him, all His angels: praise
ye Him, all His hosts . . . for He spoke and they were made. He commanded and they were created" (Psalm 148:2, 5: Colossians
1:16, 17).
Maybe the crystal "alien" skulls are the skulls of Angels?
Maybe it's all a Red-Herring?
It has been said that Christians are "pretty narrow minded" to limit the population of the universe to merely GOD, ANGELS, AND MAN. After all, there are "billions and billions" of stars which perhaps have planets, which perhaps have civilizations etc. However, within the classification of angels [non-human intelligent beings] exist diverse myriads. Hierarchies of innumerable angels still populate the universe.
At least according to the Bible...
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The fella is getting up there. My vote for the next God of films scores: John Ottoman
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Enjoy your local cineplex.
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Those words scare me.
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Looks a little too bright in one shot - I hope they maintain the Raiders look, instead of that Minority Report style.
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WILL BE MELTING LIKE THAT NAZI SCUM IN EPISODE 1, ALL YOU VIRGIN, NEVER SLEPT WITH A WOMAN, GEEKS NAYSAYERS YOU WILL MELT IN THE THEATER BECAUSE LUCAS HIDE A SIGNAL THAT KILLS ANYONE NOT LIKING THE MOVIE HAHAHA
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Sorry, off-topic, but wanted to share. http://tinyurl.com/2es3ko
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I don't believe in 'God', but I don't disbelieve in some proto-cosmic force that set the Universe in motion. I think everyone would agree that it's astonishing that everything that is, is. But, the Bible is a proven pile of horseshit. I think there are many aspects of it that are positive and have genuine value, but surely you realize that the stories within it are just stories, that are completely unverifiable, and bear no resemblance to the world we actually live in. It's no more an historical document than all the stories of Greek mythology, or "The Lord of the Rings". In fact, it's been tampered with so heavily since the Council of Nicea, who included all the stuff that pointed to Christ's divinity and left out everything that did not, that it might as well be a John Grisham novel, except with magic.
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I saw the bootleg last night and I can't help but think that this is a make-or-break film for one of the greatest franchises in movie history. That being said, the trailer had just enough of that ol' Indy magic to make me smile. So, I say...bring it on.
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The Last Starfighter has a great screenplay, "Back to sleep Lewis or i'm telling mom about your Playboy's!" The fuckwits writing summer movies today really don't have a clue. The Spiderman, Harry Potter and Pirates of the Caribbean movies don't have one memorable, well-delivered line between them. Corporate sludge.
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Cuz Indiana Jones was never about something "cientific". It was always something "mystical", even "spiritual". You can get the jokes, you can get the action sequences, but that mood of unexplainable, i don't think it can work with aliens. There were too many movies about it, so unless it's portraited in an extremly original way, it won't have that Indiana Jones Magic.
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If only people that loved this trailer were here it wouldn't be nearly as entertaining. I'm looking forward to the movie but this is probably more fun than the movie will ever be. I really want to see a movie about this TB I think that would be best.
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Jesus Fucking Christ Kloipy. Enough already about God. We get it. You're a right wing religious zealot. No more please.
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I just KNOW this will be the end of Crystal Skull. Shia will place the hat on his head and take up the whip. In 5 years time, when he's grown up a little, we'll get the first Shia Indy movie.
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I love how the Russian bad guys are dressed in US soldier outfits -- and have names of former American presidents! Good cover, guys.
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Pretty sweet trailer overall.
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that people today still believe in religion. I understand it must be hard to hold an opposing viewpoint when your parents raise you to believe in that kind of thing though. Religion is the human response to being alive and having to die. People should read more mythology and anthropology. Especially Huckabee.
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You're one of the few around here who hasn't handed over his brain to the Lucasfilm marketing dept.
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concerning the American flag: I completely agree with whoever-said-it that it's basically no big deal when used as a narrative aspect to tell the story. I assume that indeed the american flag plays into the whole potential American base-Russian soldiers thing in the final movie. Still, it felt a bit weird to finally see the Indy footage I had been waiting for and be greeted by an American flag. But that's stuff I can ignore. Like those totally misplaced super flashy silver 3D titles. I also gotta agree on the misplaced "damn I thought that was closer" comment. Indy "not quite making it" is exactly what I want to see. I'm not sure,though, we need to hear how he's talking to himself about it. The trailer may not have been as overwhelming as I wished it would be. But I sense that it's hinting on some sweet stuff to come. It's super-short (about 50 seconds if you substract the intro and the exaggerated presentation of the Indy font) fucking fast and fortunately gives away as little as possible. I just can't wait for May 22nd. Also,...I just love Cate Blanchett's presence in the trailer. And the natives...the temple...just great.
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The sci-aspect bugged me at first as well until I read Lucas' explanation where he said that the first 3 took place in the 30s and 40s and were modeled after the old movie serials. This one takes place in the 50s so it has more of a 50s sci-fi feel to it. Makes sense to me if he can pull it off. As goofy as Lucas can be, I don't think Spielberg would be involved if he wasn't happy with it.
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That's a cool wolverine pic, but are you sure it's not from the first X-men film? If not, his claws look longer. Also, there's no way Jackman is THAT ripped. He's fit, to be sure, but that's pretty damn ripped.
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I am excited about seeing the film. I can always look past the skull and other things i dislike. Indy was always one of my favorites when i was kid.
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i think i'd rather have it be an alien skull than an angel skull. thats too far out there.
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I'm just kiddin'. It blew.
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I watch an interview with Lucas and he talked about how this is going to be more of a 50s style sci-fi rather than the 30s style serial. He also talked about how the fans are going to hate it
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Sure I may be jumping the gun, but it looks from that trailer like they have or are transferring the old movies to HD. So excited! Such a big fan!
Although probably not on HD-DVD due to Speilberg's clause I guess (sorry, JDanielP). Still, good news if it's true! -
But when I handed over my brain I get a free small popcorn with one admission. I thought it was a pretty good deal. I mean GOOD deal.
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1) Can't speak for other Christian groups, but the Roman Catholics allow for the possibility of intelligent alien life. Of course, the Catholics aren't wedded to the bible, either, so they usually have more leeway on such things (they embraced the Big Bang before many scientists did)
2) People who do shitty things in the name of religion would've done it in a different name if given the chance. Religion is rarely the motivator, just the excuse.
3) So, we're going Mayan in this one? Is that what I was seeing? Potential for cool.
4) Why people don't like Last Crusade: On the one hand, it tried too hard to be Raiders of the Lost Ark Part 2 (something you could never accuse Temple of Doom of doing). On the other hand, a lot of the characterizations just rang false, especially Brody. That said, Crusade had some good parts (and it makes you want to weep to see River Phoenix pulling off the perfect imitation), but compared to Raiders it just pales. -
the fat bastard wrote it, and worse, he was on set much of the time. Making a movie in such close proximity to Hollywood's biggest Hack can't be a good thing.
Also...Spielberg isn't the same guy who made Jaws, and Raiders....in fact he has spent much of the last year playing politics with the Chinese over his involvement with the Olympics and trying to get Obama elected..making this film was NOT his TOP priority.
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Zing!
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Feb 14, 2008 10:14:56 AM CST
Oh..and the Biggest reason I just can't get TOO excited...
by conspiracy
There is No Sallah!!!!
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YAHOO SUCKS
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Translation: "I'm too old for this shit"!
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Then proposes to Rose McGowan. Zing! I really don't feel like working today.
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1. Raiders
2. Last Crusade
3. Crystal Skull
4. Temple of Doom
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It's gonna be a long 3 months...
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Wow, back in 92, that was a long time ago. I guess he would've been as old as Harrison Ford in this movie if he lived.
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anyone who knows me knows that I am as far away from a right-wing religous zealot, but why is it wrong for me to express my beliefs just as you or anyone else on here does? I never said anyone has to believe what I do. If you don't, I really don't care, it's your choice to believe or not believe. I just choose to believe that there is a creator who made me and every living thing in the Universe. If you think things just happened out of nothing, than that's great and fine for you too. Also, I hate fucking Bush, I'm registered as an independant, I don't belong to a church, and I never claim to the fact that I am right and anyone who doesn't believe what I do is wrong.
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It didnt excite me like some trailers do. It was sort of like... eh. lol. I dont like how it started either, it made Indy seem like a superhero: he saved the world, he defeated evil, etc etc,.... Theyre clearly trying to make him seem like Spiderman or Batman.... Can an old guy knock two men out of a truck like that? That just seemed hard to believe. Cate Blanchete may be the best thing about this. She looks sexy as hell. And you know she's going to tear into this role. This trailer was just a couple odd scenes though, so we'll see.
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Merriman Lyon wrote...
"2. The MOVIE itself (not the trailer - the MOVIE) has been made by three people who were at their best THIRTY years ago."
--yeah, Spielberg has been awful since Jaws. We should take his Directors Guild card away. Good lord people, it's a trailer, it looked great, sit back and wait for the damn movie. Until then, go get a job. -
I think it was the Vanity Fair interview. He's just being defensive, that's all. I think he also says That they hated Jar Jar, they hated 3po, they always hate his stuff.
Never mind that he's being a disingenuous prick. No, 3po is not the same as Jar Jar. Even in the original in 77 3po forgets himself, drops his facade and pleads to donate his own parts to help his friend. Which made him a lot less one-dimensional than Jar-Jar. Poor old George just cannot take criticism. -
I thought you weren't a christian? but maybe you are because you are being pretty judgemental like one.
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Way better than I thought it would be... come may 22 I'm a kid again...
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trust me on this ;)
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'Can an old guy knock two men out of a truck like that?' Can a YOUNG guy knock two people out of a truck like that? Everyone here needs to stop pretending like Raiders set some kind of standard for realism and seriousness. The trailer seemed right in line with ALL of the original trilogy.
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Well, I don't know how else to describe him. A man, commonly described as a very old man, constantly watching over you seeing if you do good or bad, and if you're good, you get a reward. If you're bad, you get punished. They spend all of a paragraph in the MAN-written bible describing how the Earth was created. Not sure how man is supposed to know that, but moving on. He created a bunch of animals and things, and then threw a little guy down there, and then when the guy was bored, bingo, woman.
It's insulting to say that life is meaningless without some higher power in it. Life is worth plenty. It's about the continued survival of the species, each generation being a little better and experiencing things. If 'God' already has judged us all and has this great plan, doesn't that make everything even more pointless? We're all puppets to an all-powerful power-mad maniac who will kill us all on a whim? I will not believe that, sorry.
Here's the difference between science and religion. Science takes the facts as they are and forms the best hypothesis they can. And it can change over time as we get more information. Religion never changes. The bible today is the same bible that King James edited. That countless men edited to make it how it is now: A mess of contradictions and idiocy.
Christianity as it is in the modern era is a mix of selected Roman and Greek legends, and of course Pagans. It doesn't have any sort of originality, or truth, in it. Sorry. -
First of all Indy's only 57 in this movie. I've got an uncle who's 64 and could kick all of our asses. But thats beside the point. These are adventure movies in the spirit of those old serials. Should we believe half the stuff from 1,2, and 3 is real? No, but thank God the characters are human enough to where it doesn't matter. Just have fun with it huh? Shit.
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Why exactly are you such a misreable cunt, Merriman? It's a new Indiana Jones movie, can you not find something to get excited about? Is there nothing that moves your hollowed out, carbonised shell of a heart?
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at least Speilberg isn't gonna let Kaminsky put that same fucking white misty bloom look over everything this time.
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If you've read any interviews with Speilberg, you'll know he doesn't take shit from Lucas. He just slaps his nose and tells him to go away.
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I do not post much, but it never fails the idiots come out in droves. "wahhhh this doesnt look like the movie i remember" "wahhhh Indy would hit a guy then say the punch line" How about going to a movie just to have fun....shock of shocks. Guess what dicks your not young any more. Movies like this are for the young and young at heart not for old bitter geeks who will not be statified until Indy has to get over a drink problem and deal with internal issues about being gay.
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I'll have to check my files on that interview. It was one of those classic Lucas kind of thing where he says something like "the fans are going to hate it cause it's not excatlly what they want" or whatever something like that. I will track it down though.
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And King James didn't edit the bible, he commissioned it. 1500-2500 years after it was originally written down.
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Same tone and spirit of Raiders. And lets not forget folks that Raiders had some really funny parts and also had a monkey who could almost speak - he communicated so well. LC wasn't that far away in tone.
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Ding!
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My thoughts exactly. It is kinda sad. Seriously. Poor bastards.
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Harrison back in this role. Definitely my most anticipated movie of the Summer.
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But at 1:07 in the trailer as Indy just misses landing in the speeding car, there are a couple of C-stands and duvetine hanging out on the right side of the frame. After making us wait so long for a trailer, you couldn't have that painted out at ILM. C'mon Stevie!
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I loved it, but it might be the rush. Still, I love it.
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It looks like a fucking Indiana Jones movie... but with slightly more modern effects. I cannot wait to see this fucking movie. I am more excited for this than I was for Phantom Menace when that was announced. Probably because they realized that the original Indy movies were perfect, and they didn't fuck with them, so this leads me to believe this will be perfect as well... Does anyone know if they plan to re-release the originals in theatres to coincide with this? God, I hope so...
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to me it seems that each generation just repeats the same mistakes as the one before it, only technology gets better. I don't think 'survival of the species' is the greates purpose in life. We already do enough to fuck each other over already. We have made weapons that are able to kill all life on earth. I'm sure a lot of people think I'm stupid for what I believe but I really don't care what they think. It's my personal journey anyway. I believe that God gives us every chance to do what's right. That's why Christ was here. To give us free will of choice. The Old Testemant are rules for jewish people, not the rest of us. I don't believe God just casts people into hell just because they don't believe. Don't we as society try to act like God by punishing people because of what we believe is wrong? We can sentence a person to death for murder, but at the same time pin a medal on someone who killed for war. Don't we just use the same guidelines that God does in his judgement of us?
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Trust me, name an atrocity attributed to religion and I'll determine a non-religious motivation.
Now, I do want to say that religion also provides the *tools* for an atrocity (jihad, inquisition, etc), but the underlying motivation is usually based on a different factor. -
My initial reaction was that this trailer seemed a bit like National Treasure meets Die Hard 4...the sandy 3D type, the car crash with Indy swinging up out of harms way at the last minute, the massive explosions with car parts flying into the windshield, etc... I wasn't disappointed, it just didn't totally do it for me. Seemed a bit overdone, a little forced. I want Indy to be exactly the way it was. I was worried that they were going to go the Austin Powers 2 route and simply try to duplicate the original.
BUT
If you watch the original trailers you can see that this one is definitely in the same vein as those. The tone, style, content, etc are very similar. These are, after all, somewhat over the top action/adventure serials. A little update to bring them into 2007 isn't necessarily a terrible thing. Besides, next to stuff like Transformers it wont seem that sout there. Overall the comparisons restored a lot of my hope.
Plus i have faith that Spielberg can craft a pure adventure movie better than anything else out today. He has done it in the past few years without the iconic characters and developed franchise so I'm confident of what he can do with those things. -
So we're "brainless" because we happen to have an longstanding affection for this character and want to give this film a chance - something you *won't even lower yourself* to do. What a fucking miser you are. Other talkbackers have managed to express their honest disappointment in the trailer without slagging the rest of us off as dupes. Take note.
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I knew that reposting was a good idea - gives other people a chance to read the truth and get a REALITY CHECK. And there are some people here who ARE listening and THINKING for themselves. If I can save one person from paying their hard-earned cash to have their childhoods trampled, then I will consider my efforts worthwhile. As for the fanboys defending a movie THEY HAVEN'T SEEN and that all the evidence suggests will SUCK CRYSTAL BALLS: I feel sorry for you that you let yourselves down - walking sheepishly in whatever direction Lucas tells you. YOU ARE NOT SHEEP. YOU HAVE A MIND OF YOUR OWN. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORK FOR LUCAS FOR FREE. Lucas doesn't care about you - he's manipulating you to squeeze yet more cash out of your pockets. YOU care a LOT MORE about the Indiana Jones character than HE does! And it is a fact that YOU would very likely make a BETTER INDY MOVIE than George Lucas. Think about that before you hand over your cash.
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He's like a firefighter rescuing FANBOYS stuck in a Lucas tree of deception and lies.
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I hope this doesn't suck. I hate it that everything looks like it was shot on green screen. What ever happened to location shooting?
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How is it you know so much about Lucas. What are you his best fucking friend. Are yall fuck buddies? is that it. I just think its funny how you try to act like you know so much about a guy and the trailer making business.
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the berg still has it baby!
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Of course, I don't see any movies in the theatre anymore (Bizarro ChrTh is now 9 months old), so that's not really indicative of anything.
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thanks for the fucking update.
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It better if you don't go see it. Stick to your guns, don't back down.I'm counting on you. I'll be checking back in May. It just makes this so much more interesting with people from both sides.
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Hand drawn alligators at the end of Temple of Doom, and the blue screen model blimp in the Last Crusade. Hate on haters....
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Maybe it's just me, but while I didn't really have a problem with that bit, it struck me as being a teaser moment ... as in it might not be in the movie like that at all (but I don't mind if it is). Also, in terms of the editing, I think it's obvious but it may need to be pointed out that that is a different scene than what comes right before it where he's swinging from the top of the crates towards the BACK of a truck driving away.
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The Palestinians were there first, then the Israelis were given their land arbitrarily by the UN. The fact that they have different religions is more than secondary; they could both be Flying Spaghetti Monster worshippers and they'd be fighting over the land. Native Americans didn't fight the Europeans because of religion, you know.
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I can't remember but that sounds right.
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All you nitpicking haters know you're gonna be there in line at the very first screening you can get in line for. Don't kid yourselves.
And complain all you will about the CGI...pretend like the originals didn't use green screen and matte photography...
I will say this, though...it seems as though Lucas and Spielber were like, "Hmmm...there wasn't enough swinging with the whip in the first three. What can we do about that?" Not that I mind...just an observation. -
Just demonstrating that one can not go to the movie, and it doesn't represent judgement being passed on it
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It hurt my pooper.
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Wow, who were the folks there over two thousand years before who got kick out by the Romans? The Mormons?
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They should make two more films, but instead of Ford returning in the role, Scott Bakula or Treat Williams could take over the role on USA Network...ZING....
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"this isn't going to be easy"
"...not as easy as it used to be..."
If this movie opened today I would be running down the street right now to see it. great trailer.
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Sounds fake... Outside of that, very cool trailer.
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Feb 14, 2008 10:52:03 AM CST
"if there isn't TOO many this and TOO much that, this COULD be f
by themcflyfarm
I love how everyone and their mother goes apeshit excited when they here about a new Indiana Jones. But once something actually exists on screen, they become all cynical and for no good reason.
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...Ok, I already done this one on the other TB...
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Reminds me of lame comic books from the 50's & 60's like "Batman vs The Mummy!", etc. I was hoping for something more along the lines of the search for Atlantis or some other legendary place or artifact of the distant past. The whole Roswell/alien thing is so utterly retarded to begin with that the fact that it forms (apparently) the basis for the new Indy movie really gripes me. The trailer does look good and I'm hoping to God this thing doesn't play out as badly as it could. Welcome back Dr. Jones!!
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I gotta stop writing such long topic titles
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TheBloop: I'm reasonably confident that none of the Palestinians living in Palestine in 1948 were around when the Diaspora began.
Node32774: Palestine has no real religious significance to Islam. Everyone loves Jerusalem, yes, but the Palestinians were given part of Jerusalem. I'm reasonably certain Islam couldn't give two shits about the rest of Palestine. -
you can see the alien just barely as he walks behind a building, just before the Statue of Liberty head flies down the street...
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...kind of world is this when the sight of the American Flag is a bad thing?
Damn. Every nation has had questionable foreign and domestic policies, but Jesus Christ just the fact that you completely ignore the blessing it is to have what you do have (freedom, a home, food, obviously a computer, etc) to question your sanity and appreciation. These blessings alone are cause enough to champion the sight of the Flag every time, not shit on it. With the attitude you are having, do you not remove your hat and put your hand over your heart during the Pledge of Allegiance? It begs the question: Why are you still here?
But this is a talkback for the Indy film, which looks GREAT! and that red white and blue flag? Fits perfectly. -
Why people are being so down on it I don't know. So you don't like the teaser, big deal, its just a minute and a half of the first footage we've ever seen. Don't write it off cus Indy quips and theres some CGI. Christ its Ford, Spielberg and Lucas BACK TOGETHER. When did these 3 make a really really bad film? When did Ford and Lucas make a really really bad film? Ok you can argue that there were weaker films when compared to the others (LC to Raiders, Jedi to Empire etc) but they are enjoyable. I think the trailer is great and I've been holding out for the moving image. Photos are good, the 1st big test was here. Ford looks ALIVE. Cut out the crap he's done probably since Air Force One and its the Ford we've all been searching for. I have every faith in the 3 of them. Its not a cash in, its a film they want to make. I'll be there when it opens and comparisons to the Star Wars prequels is NONSENSE! Put Ford in those and they'd have been worth watching!
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Which is more important in a mate?
Looks 23% 16073
Intelligence 77% 52464
Total Votes: 68537
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The whole thing looks way too Lucas'd up. Funky CG, family comedy, 70-year-old Indy doing crazy Yoda-shit with his whip, Amelie-Blanchett the not-very-menacing-Soviet Bitch. No, this looks like it's going to well and thoroughly suck huge donkey cock. What a fucking dissapointment.
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JESUS.
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I've thrown down the gauntlet, and won't be dissuaded. You know why? Because I KNOW that in four months time most people here will say I was right. Look at the facts (listed way above): THE ODDS ARE STACKED IN MY FAVOUR! It's Lucas! A dead franchise! Poor jokes and timing! Visible stunt doubles! CGI! Ford too old! Crystal Skulls! Aliens! Karen Allen too old! Story by Geroge Lucas! Crystal Skulls! I'm in the securest position here, by a mile. And Ratfink - you ask how I seem to be the only one with all he information necessary to make this judgement? I'M NOT! THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT!!! All of these facts ARE COMMON KNOWLEDGE. But fanboys REFUSE to see them! Which is why I have to remind people again and again and again...
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that Last Starfighter line IS a classic
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Some one had to acknowledge his age and this is the perfect way to do so. Indy has always had a mix of cockiness and self deprecation and this line beats the hell out of "I'm getting too old for ths shit". God, this trailer has exceeded all expectations and to tell the truth I was having my doubts for a second there - refusing to see how I couldn't be let down after waiting for 19 years. Great Day!!
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more constructive to do with your time? I mean, do you honestly think a fanboy is going to be swayed by any argument, reasonable or otherwise?
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Indy.
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Great Craig Saffan Score, who also did the greatest action movie of our time...REMO WILLIAMS: THE ADVENTURE BEGINS (and sadly ended)...
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Lol. Seriously. These folks are getting desperate now.
Of course I do have to say that Indy's belt buckle is too shiny in one scene....joking of course, but thats what some of you sound like. I have kept a super critical eye on everything I've seen thus far. I'm a HUGE Indy fan and did not want them to f it up, but this is just GREAT!! -
When they first showed the silhouette of Indy putting on his hat that cured me of the Michael Bay music. It's funny how much of a reaction can arise from people seeing someone putting on a hat, but it's so iconic. I guess it was inevitable that people would comment about the American flag, maybe it was a some kind of statement, or maybe it was just necessary to show the locale and hint at what kind of setting it might be. To see an Indy movie with 21st century special effects is going to be really awesome. And I like how it said "the Adventure Continues", because we know they will follow up on previous stuff like the Ark, Ravenwood, etc.
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Feb 14, 2008 11:00:46 AM CST
Indiana Jones and The Ventriloquist's Dentures Of Doom
by revengeofjobu
Anyone else notice how Indy isnt moving his lips when he says "Not as easy as it used to be"?
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I am the ruler of the Quee...
Bad dates.
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boo-fucking-hoo
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Only question is, after this talkback goes off the front page, where do you go from here? Start your own religion? Run for president? Build a harem of 20-year old virgin females who follow your every command? The world is yours oh great Messiah.
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agreed
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Since when has an Indy movie NOT had a bunch of special effects, only this time they have the technology to make it look good. (*cough* end of Raiders *cough*)
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Your right Gungan Slayer, John Hurt is in the car with Ford and Winstone about 1:27 into the trailer
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Well, do you, punk?
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If there's a bunch of kids talking on their cell phones during this movie I'll be boycotting everything from that point forward.
When I saw Superman Returns in the theater there was someone actually translating the whole movie to spanish. they were not whispering it either.It was full volume. That pisses me off more than anything Lucas could ever do. -
"DAMN! I THOUGHT I WAS YOUNGER!"
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1. Raiders 2. Temple of Doom 3. Last Crusade 4. Crystal Skull. Hopefully i'll be pleasantly surprised and Skull will take the No. 3 position. No way will it be as good as Temple, and Raiders is one of the greatest films ever made.
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That's not Michael Bay music... it's from the miniseries "Children of Dune."
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I just got a JONES watching that trailer, no pun intended haha but damn it it feels good to see Indiana Jones back but I really hope they don't overplay the CGI too much, and that scene with Cate Blanchett and Indiana Jones driving trough the cliff didn't seem that great. It looked like that scene with the dinosaurs in King Kong, just bad. Please give us a movie that makes us get a whip. PLease Lucas, I beg you.
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I think I just came in my shorts. God bless Indiana Jones and new sequels...
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Hmmm... let's see, decision, decisions... oh, I know: I'LL HAVE THE HAREM OF 20-YEAR OLD VIRGINS PLEASE!
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Feb 14, 2008 11:12:20 AM CST
didn't exactly foresee this TB turning into a religious fight
by finky089
I knew there'd be struggles. And I guess history has shown a TB argument can break out over just about anything. But somehow, I expected most of the conflict to be strictly over "will the movie suck" or not.
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Last Star Fighter, Explorers, Fright Night, Real Genius, the Howling, The Fly, The Outsiders, Red Dawn, The Changling, The Thing, oh yeah, fuck The Goonies.
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While Indy's swinging thorugh a warehouse, Shorty's in his Hong Kong penthouse apartment making billion dollar deals for his electronics conglomerate!!!
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The first movie I ever saw in a movie theatre was Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade when I was 6 years old, that was 19 years ago, and Spielberg is still (tied with George Lucas) my favorite director, I was skeptical as to whether the trailer was going to be any good or not, but once again Spielberg has blown away my expectations and delivered a trailer that kicks all kinds of ass, even with Harrison at 65 years old ^_^!
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He liked the trailer, but said it would be better if Indy's whip was CGI.
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It was on TV yesterday. I really dug that movie. Another Spielberg production. He was, and remains, the most proficient mogul in Hollywood history.
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When I saw the trailer this morning for the first time on GMA, it made this grown man cry! (for real, ain't making it up) Brought back a lot of old memories from when I was a kid.
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Take the 25 year old sluts. I've never understood the virgin thing they don't know what they are doing.
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But I won't let that stop me.
Coming in as a long-time Indy fanatic this preview kinda sucked, shades of Indy 2 which I still despise to this day. WHY am I watching one of the greatest action movie characters of all time swinging on his trademark whip with his legs bowed and his paunch all huge miss his mark and swing backassed into a truck and deliver a goofy "wah-wahhhh" line? Indy's penchant for finding his fat in the fire should be charming, NOT goofy, you make a goof of Indiana Jones and you shit on everything great about the character. They WILL blow this, I defended the Star Wars prequels I'm such a fanboy but this...THIS is gonna suck way more than the remotest splurging wetdreams of the most cynical AICN bitch posters. You need look no further than the pathetic, also-ran Clone War "see I'm as creative as Genndy Tartikovsky" animated series to see what a desperate hack Lucas is and how profoundly deserving he is of all the flack he gets. They should have just shovelled the last bit of dirt into the grave of the franchise and gotten F'ing Kevin Smith in to pen some lump of tripe just for the Jason Mewes diatribe alone, at least there would have been one laugh versus the sea of tears this shit is gonna generate. -
Can't you find a happy median?
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'ZOMG IN FRAME NUMBER SEVENTY_SEVEN POINT FOUR MARK, THE WHIP LOOKS FAKE!'
'OH NOES ITS A STUNT DOUBLE. HOW CRAP!'
'AN AMERICAN FLAG? ZOMG NOES THATS NOT AWESOMENESS AT ALL!'
'THA FITE IN THE TRUCK WAS TOO FUNNY AN I DONT GET JOKES MUCH!'
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Forgot that one, pretty classy film. dug it.
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- but won't respond to anyone but his supporters. What an awesome display.
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A veeeerrrrry fine line between being okay and ruining the shit out of the movie.
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Good to see the 'Explorers' love.
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for Indy IV on May 22.
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It looks like a great time at the movies. Perhaps a little too jokey and I'm still hoping maybe those dudes from Apocalypto will just kebab Shia in his first scene, but who doesn't want to see a 60 year old men swinging around with a whip? My inner Indy fan will probably like it no matter how much CG or lame one-liners there are. All I'll need is Harrison Ford being Indy.
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*batteries not included , and who framed roger rabbit
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I reluctantly enter a comment to the religious/land argument by pointing out that when the land formerly-known as Palestine was carved up by the British in May of 1948, portions were created as Israel "for the Jews", with other areas around it set aside for the Palestinians and other non-Jews who were already there to have their own "state". When the neighboring Arab factions invaded the newly created state of Israel on the very day Israeli statehood was declared, they lost and Israeli forces subsequently pushed those boundaries back and occupied that land (in some places more than what they have today). Perhaps this was what you meant in your previous post, though.
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I thought it looked like Mola Ram. As in, "Mola Ram booga-lam mola ram booga-lam."
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I'm going first day don't be mis-lead. I just like hearing Merrinan's opinion and I like the fact that he's sticking to it. I really don't think he's going to go see it. Besides if we all had the same opinion this would be boring.
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same audio, this is weird
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although Marion's tits looked to small oh and the whip was too loud oh and Indy looked too old other than that I'm excited.
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Admittedly, the aliens don't hodl up visually as well now (for me), but I still really dig that movie. It was the first thing I ever saw on VHS. How many times as kids did my friends and I try to design plans to build a fort/space capsule from stuff around our houses? More than I can count.
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Actually, I think it may have been the wise old shaman from Temple of Doom in the car. I think I heard him saying something like, "you will go to Pankot Palace to find sivalinga and bring back to us... bring back to us...bring back to us...
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bouncing around like a skinny version of Connery from the early scenes of The Rock. (blech, how dare I mention a Bay movie in an Indy TB! Even if it's one of the only Bay movies I remember as decent.) Too cool that marion is driving that truck thing at some point!
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have a little kinky party with that bazooka? you know like Clinton and Lewinski.
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To Merriman Lyon?
Have you ever had a script that's been honored by the WGA as one of the 101 Best Scripts of all time? No. George Lucas has.
Have you ever been honored with the Irving G. Thalberg award for lifetime achievement? No. George Lucas has.
Have you ever had nine movies that have made 100 plus million dollars? No. George Lucas has.
Have you ever been nominated for an academy award for best screenplay? No. George Lucas has. Two times (one for American Graffiti and the other for Star Wars).
Have you ever had a film on the American Film Institute's list of the 100 best movies of all time? No. George Lucas has.
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have a little kinky party with that bazooka? you know like Clinton and Lewinski.
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Some of the action with a nearly 70 year old Indy just didn't look right. When the trailer cut away from Indy to what was clearly a stuntman swinging with the whip...I dunno man, I wanna believe but...
More disturbing to me, it seems pretty clear this thing has to do with aliens. The subtext of the Indy films has always (yes, I know, always means only three) been : faithless man becomes the defender of faith. If this is like an X_files thing, its just nto going to feel right.
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When he put the hat on and the music kicked in. Holy crap. Looks GREAT. I cannot wait...
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way better than indy b/c of two words: WILFRED BRIMLEY...
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"And take back one kadan to honor the Hebrew God whose Ark this is."
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...to make you come in your pants.
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Doesn't this alien thng change the subtext of the character?
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Couldn't you hear him chanting, "Oh Num Shi Voy! Oh Num Shi Voy! Oh Num Shi Voy! Oh Num Shi Voy!
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Like the MegaForce ones have done time after time? My favorite WILFRED BRIMLEY moment. him getting the Quaker Oats beat out of him with a briefcase in the Firm.
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rumor?
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Abner is dead. Unless this takes place before Raiders. Which it doesn't because Indy's old as shit now.
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Aw man, I loved remo williams
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eat that u cum guzzling haters
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I AM BETTER THAN THAT! (cue credits)
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Does anyone else think they saw this? I don't know what "time" it's at, but in the scene immediately after the close shot on Indy going down the circular well of stairs, there's that aerial of the pyramid and people running out of and down it. All the way to thr right, it looks like white anthropomorphs coming out of it. They're definitely a different shade than the natives who make up most of the people streaming from the centre of the pyramid.
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"Imagine your young wife heading out to the mailbox, anxiously anticipating her new issue of Redbook. Or perhaps the Sharper Image catalog. What if she finds instead... heartache, Mitch. The death of love and trust. Devastating."
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Guys, please if you're going to bring religion in to this, you might as well be talking about politics too. Let the arguments begin.......
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but, yeah, Abner's not really dead. At least, not anymore.
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Ok, turns out I was wrong. I wasn't watching close enough because that doesn't seem to be two scenes. But now that I see what happened I think it's way funnier. When he tries to swing onto the back of the jeep from the top of the crates, the jeep ends up being just a bit too far and he swings back from the peak of his swing forward and goes right through the windshield of the truck behind him. I think it definitely will be edited better in the actual film. But I think the surprise of Indy and the truck drivers could reasonably account for the pause where he says "Damn, I thought that was closer" before throwing the commies a beat down.
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I thought I saw that too, but now I think it's the same people with some sort of white/chalky body paint. I'm almost always wrong, though.
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I like when he goes on about the photos, "all intimate and like..."
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or at least, my problem, with any space-monkey plotline in an indiana jones movie, is that the previous movies all had artifacts/power-objects/macguffins rooted in human myth and legend. So the films were about these ancient, magical powers that resided beneath human civilization, irretrievably and subtly intertwined with it, but still lost to it in such a way that an adventuring acheologist (or bunch of nazis or a wacky indian witch doctor) was needed to find them. Space monkeys, on the other hand, are just like you an me, except with better technology. Nothing mystical or adventurous about it, or at least, not in a way that calls for an artifact-hunter. Basically, the difference is this: part of the fun of an Indy movie is that the struggle over the macguffin is, in the real world, a little comic. Nazis can't really take over the world with a fancy ark/jewbox or an old cup a famous guy may or may not have drank out of (nor can people be enslaved by special rocks, even in India). This is what makes the stories fantastic. Conversely, alien technology would undeniably be useful for nazis/communists/witch doctors, so there is no element of fantasy involved in them (unless you go the new agey route, which has even more problems). Additionally aliens, by definition, have nothing to do with humanity, or human history (chariots of the gods and other vaguely racist-flavored books notwithstanding), so if the plot is aliens, why involve Indy at all? He isn't a scientist, or an exo-diplomat or anything. At best, he'd be like a guide or something for the government types. Or maybe not. Maybe there are no aliens in this, or maybe the creative geniuses behind rehashing a 20 year old trilogy are clever and inventive in a way I'm not seeing. In any event, I have thought too much about this. As have, I suspect, many others here on this board.
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You young whippersnappers!
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Thanks to both of you for clearing that up. Just learned today that John Hurt is playing Abner, which contradicts Raiders, which kind of pisses me off because GL is rewriting history, but it shouldn't surprise me, he is, after all, GL.
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Go away and watch some crap ass Asian shit or Will Ferrell. Or maybe even Eli Roth. Go now. Do not hasten to go.
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Just curious...
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It's rear projection, goodamnit ! You internet geeks have gotten so hybrid with your keyboards and flat screens, ya can't make the different anymore, as long as something looks odd, ya scream CGI ! CGI ! CGI !CGI ! CGI ! CGI !CGI !CGI ! Just like headless chickens. REAR PROJECTION GOODAMNIT GOOD OLD REAR PROJECTION IS FINALLY BACK !
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...and a little too tongue-in-cheek.
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Your problem is you think you are superior to Steven Spielberg and George Lucas because you are an internet geek with no wife and no life.
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Feb 14, 2008 11:46:26 AM CST
Maybe the Russian's need alien technology to win the Space War
by loc420
Man, I'm feeling dumb as hell today but what year was it that the Russian's were fighting with the U.S. to see which one went to the Moon first?
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The conflict in that region can't be boiled down to any blanket statement because it's far too complex. BUT, religious differences did play a very large underlying reason for the conflict and everything that has happened and continues to happen has further solidified the differences and caused all sides to be further entrenched in the belief they are "right". Back to Indy for me now
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I'm with the other guys saying this looks to be more like LAST CRUSADE, and that's not a good thing. Remember when Sean Connery & Indy make one liners about how close that was, a bomb gets dropped in front of their car, then they get out- Warner Brothers cartoon style, wipe off the dirt and continue to run?
I don't want that. What made RAIDERS so special was that the FX and supernatural elements were laid back, subtle and that made them feel more "real". This looks to be competing with the atrocious LARA CROFT movies with effects, action, and poor dialogue.
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A tip of the hat to you, sir.
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Why'd it have to be Shia?
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"part of the fun of an Indy movie is that the struggle over the macguffin is, in the real world, a little comic. "
Yawn ! Yer putting me asleep already ! JUST LET GOOD OLD SPIELBY GIVE US SOME NEW INDY AND SHUT THE F UP ! who care's about theory, yer not the filmmaker so shut up and enjoy, or get out and leave us enjoy our pleasure just because you never had sex except by paying doesn't make you superior to us ! -
Yeah, I think you're right. I (like the uberIndyfan I am) just played back those clips about 15 times and in the scene right after with the close-up of Indy being pursued down the pyramid, you can see the chalky-white natives if you catch it just right.
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Im an indy fan, and was really excited for the trailer...till I saw the villainess has a stupid haircut, mutts jacket is ugly, theres way too much CGI in the trailer, and rather than the classic "look" when something goes wrong Indy stops to make a comment during a fight...while the dumb passenger just looks at him. and the "part time" line...come on. its a good line, but delivering it backlit from the top of a hill? its not exactly the deepest, most dramatic line. This movie just went down in my opinion. I REALLY hope its not another T3 that poops on everything that came before it by making fun of itself and being rediculously far fetched. The McGuffin isnt even historical (part of which made temple of doom not as interesting in my opinion)
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Not YET, Arrgh - but I also haven't been nominated for a Golden Raspberry half a dozen times. American Graffitti? Star Wars? You are seriously puting these forward as evidence that Lucas has still 'got it' THOSE MOVIES WERE MADE OVER THIRTY YEARS AGO! You've obviously been asleep for the past thirty years. Let me bring you up to date: after the early success of those movies (made when Lucas was young, ambitious, imaginative, hungry for success - unburdened by a family, by a vast financial empire, and by his advancing years), he made the following movies: Howard The DUck, An Ewok Adventure, The Phantom Menace, Attack Of The Clones, Revenge Of The Sith. All of the above would comfortably feature in a list of the worst movies of all time. His bad movies vastly outweigh his good ones. He'll be remembered in 100 years, you say? So will Hitler and Osama Bin Laden.
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Who did want to jump on Elizabeth Shoe's bones after watching that as teenager. Love the "Babysitting Blues" number.
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Can't wait.
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just noticed that.
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Feb 14, 2008 11:55:37 AM CST
WILFORD BRIMLEY will also be remembered 100 years from now
by dashing roger
James Worthy? Hmm, maybe not so much.
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Not really that great guys. The line delivery was horrible. Still have hope though. :)
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Away and watch Jumper.
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Always overdressing for the wrong occasions.
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HAhah In some parts I agree with you Merriman but I'll be damn if you don't thing ROTS ws good cause that last 30 to 40 mnts felt like old Star Wars to me but George Lucas deserves to be kicked in the nuts for ever trying to do Howard the Duck. I mean, what the fuck was he thinking? oh, and anyways, what year is the Indy movie taking place on?
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i must say though shia seemed not to be whiney and winstone didnt seem bumbly and karen arreen wasnt showed much and indy seemed bad asss when his shadow ssnatchedd up his hat and when he stopped to make a joke before punching the guy when he fell ass first in the truck and when he swings on the rope and kicks the dude. good. but its only a few clips so who knowws?
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I sorta hoped for a while that the aliens (even when them being involved in this story were just rumor) were not really going to be aliens, but merely a cleverly written red herring for something earthly or supernatural, but not actual aliens. Perhaps the UFO rumors started in the late-40's because it was a cover for US and Soviet technology and the film woudl play into that? But as the alien-looking crystal skull photos and "mummy/skeleton" pics have essentialyl proven there's some tangible evidence for them in this film, I've gradually (and reluctantly) accepted they will likely become part of the Indyverse. There's a small glimmer of hope left inside that I'll be proven wrong by some great plot twist, though.
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Because of your handle, I can't really take you seriously. Get another one that doesn't involve child sex and I'll reply to you.
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That was sweetastic and a half. And all those whiners complaining about CGI? What cgi, exactly? Nothing in the whole trailer stood out to me as CGI. Those natives looked scary, the action looks (cartoony as ever, but...) awesome, and plenty of humor (which despite the hate on Crusade is a series trademark). Cannot wait!
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Who says he is alive? Maybe the opening scene will be a flashback? Maybe not, since John Hurt is an old bastard.
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All this talk about the US being hated around the world is liberal bullshit. France, Canada, UK, Japan, Mexico, Spain, all have unabashedly pro US presidents/prime ministers. But hey, "the world hates America" has been repeated on NPR, Air America, and by other ultra leftists enough times so I guess it must be true.
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Just expressing some thoughts about an Indiana Jones movie in an Indiana Jones talkback, and why I'm less-than-excited about a potential sci-fi plot. I certainly don't think that I'm "superior" to Spielberg or Lucas when it comes to making movies, but then I'm not setting out to make a movie; I'm just trying to discuss/decide whether or not to see this particular one. I kinda liked the trailer, and probably will end up watching this movie. Does that make you happier?
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That's the only thing that worries me, is that in places where there should be whitty remarks, there will be self-references and winks to the audience regarding Indy's age.
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... "I said Meh!" Have fun watching Indiana Jones and the Legend of the Three Has-Beens, kiddies... maybe I'll catch in when it shows up on TNT.
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Yes, that trailer gave me mother-fuckin chills. Wow! If that didn't do anything for you, you are dead inside!!! HA! Good action, good special effects. I think Shia will actually be good in this. Saw him in some Disney movie called 'Holes' or something where he was actually pretty good. The tribal people remind me of the opening of Raiders.... nice!!!
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It's the consistent focus on child sex in your id and comments - not appropriate for a movie discussion. You may have interesting ideas to add about the Indy movie - but I have to ignore them because your child sex thing gets in the way. And it's definitely justification for getting you removed from this Talkback. You'll find that people on both sides of this discussion have little time for people who are interested in child sex.
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Feb 14, 2008 12:09:25 PM CST
I can't believe it took until 11:52:08 AM to get a Hitler mentio
by chrth
What's the name of that law?
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It could just be clever editing for the trailer, but it looked pretty convincing to me. Check the trailer again. Hurt plays Abner. And in the scene where where Blanchett tries to bump Indy's vehicle off the side of a cliff, you can see Winstone and Hurt bumping around in the back of the vehicle. I suppose THIS sequence could have taken place in the past, but I highly doubt it for seveal reasons: 1) Indy looks as old as he does in the rest of the trailer, 2) nothg so far has led me to believe Blanchett is an old rival of Indy's and 3) Blanchett looks exactly the same in that scene as she has in every other scene in the trailer and pic we've seen so far. I wish Abner was still dead and there had been no retconning, but alas, it appears not to be.
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It's the consistent focus on child sex in your id and comments - not appropriate for a movie discussion. You may have interesting ideas to add about the Indy movie - but I have to ignore them because your child sex thing gets in the way. And it's definitely justification for getting you removed from this Talkback. You'll find that people on both sides of this discussion have little time for some one who is interested in child sex.
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...the Trailer that Elicited Come
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right in my pants. BRING THIS SHIT ON!
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All I can think about is Lil' Abner ... and that's what Marion's mom said!
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I'm sure not going to pay $10 to help this contrived and transparent money grab.
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Feb 14, 2008 12:14:14 PM CST
The only thing that could make this trailer better is...
by dashing roger
Wilford Brimley.
And James Worthy.
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Too much Q at lunch.
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Lightning. Fire. The power of God or something.
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Bye then. Enjoy Prince Caspian and 10,000 B.C. The rest of us will be watching Jones.
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i mean wow.
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Dr. David Wetherly in .... Progeny !! From the great Brian Yuzna.
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For all you TBers goose-stepping to the tune of "Too Much CGI", let me just say this: Return of the Jedi. Speeder bike chase. Super Star Destroyer plunging into Death Star II. Now if you think that tops anything being done with CGI, then I....don't know what to tell you. Have fun with your mattes, stop-motion, and plastic models soaked in lighter fluid. By the way, do you think Lucas would like a do-over on the above mentioned shots? Translate that any way you wish.
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Have you.
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You were wrong. I don't need to get you removed if you stop referring to child sex.
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I think your theory on his foremer whereabouts are on the right track. The way his death is left so vague in Raiders (in retrospect it's a gaping hole ripe to be retconned by the Beared Ones), he could easily have been captured and Marion told he was dead. My suspicion is that the his capture was related somehow to the artifacts involved in this new film. The Soviets are now close to solving whatever it was ABner was working on (or stumbled upon) many years before. So, they brought him to this place now that things are coming together (for reasons I assume will be expained inthe film.)
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I've been trying to click to get to the fucking trailer and it keeps taking me to a fucking Circuit City website because the fucking ad spills over the fucking Indy picture. Whoever accepts ads for this site shouldn't allow such shit.
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Feb 14, 2008 12:21:08 PM CST
Excellent! That made my Valentines Day even better and Jumper is
by filmfunk
They play on his age but not in a ''I'm too old for this shit'' way instead an inspired short sighted still manages to land on one of the trucks kind of way! Classic!!!If you did not get a buzz from that trailer you're either dead, a fish, or you don't geek on movies or your a dead geekless fish!
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That's what scares me.
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Oh, yes, they are very nice.
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i wanna play!
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Gobler, wake your men!
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I am hoping that there is something in the scene they are trying to cover up like maybe the ARK? and they erased it for the trailer and put on pants there instead.
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but sort of ends just as it's getting going! looks like they were setting up a franchise right there.
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on a truck to Cairo. Truck? What truck?
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I like you Rene. Very much.
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Epshi, epshi, epshi!
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...while it's fun to debate Christian doctrine and all, the point IS that we have here a new Indy movie with some less-than-Biblically-inspired subject matter, which is what worries me... LC haters have to admit that the strongest of the three movies had Biblically inspired story lines.
Another fact also remains... I, too, am eternally disappointed with George Lucas for screwing the Star Wars pooch. Every time I think about how he took his status as a legendary figure in moviemaking and threw it away with both hands the way he did, I shake my head... it's just sad. We all need to keep in mind, however, that Spielberg is still at the helm, and although he's spent the last two decades being Mr. Serious Filmmaker, I still believe in him. He makes the good stuff, people. So I am willing to give this a chance.
AND, just so you all remember... Raiders' success was a FLUKE. Spielberg made this movie as a throwback to the pulpy action films of his youth. It was never supposed to be such hallowed canon as it is. So lighten up. -
Isn't that Iguazu Falls?
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Could be fun? You are damn right it's going to be fun! It's going to be fucking awesome!
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"If I offended you, then I am sorry" ala Temple of Doom. Ah, but then, maybe you aren't really sorry. But there's always sarcasm! Damn, I'm stupidly giddy over Indy today.
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And it's within our reach.
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Degenerate into the most foul ,childish , nonsense I come across on talkbacks. what a joke AICN has become. This site is more of a turnoff these days with no censorship of the constant hijacking of decent discussions by mental midgets who think they are experts on film. It's cool to be unsure of this movie. it's also ok to hate Lucas or Spielberg. It's ok to have an opinion but it is not ok to degenerate a discussion about a movie into one about Pedophilia , personal shots at the creators that are unrelated to anything but your own mean spirit and your own insecurities. Get a life, ( you know who you are ). some of the comments here border on a mental instability. This movie is for FANS of the Indy series, those who already have their minds made up are just wasting their time (and many seem to have way to much of it on their hands)trying to critique the most minute details. these opinions are just that . If you hate the movie so bad already and you have no faith why not have SOME integrity and walk away? you can't cause you have nothing else. sad but true. the venom spewed here is simply symptomatic
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the United States Marines.
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Feb 14, 2008 12:31:22 PM CST
If you love Indiana Jones, then this Talkback should reach a tho
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Let's go see him together.
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all I want is the girl!
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Damn subject line, it cut me off but anyways this talkback should reach a thousand posts if you love Indy
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"Quaker Oats. Good for you."
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Cue Raiders March as Indy clings to a submarine.
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Mohammed, you're still talking about child sex! Zing!
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Heaven. Sheer heaven.
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Honestly?
Maybe I should start complaining about how his pants should be an 8th of an inch tighter.
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Feb 14, 2008 12:36:25 PM CST
For nearly 2,000 years man has been searching for the lost Ark.
by finky089
It's not something to be taken lightly. No one knows it's secrets. It's like nothing you've gone after before.
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"No time for love Doctor Jones!!"
"Stroke faster bitch we're about to crash!!"
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...are killing me. Because they're so good. Yeah, they're one liners and funny, but absolutely organic to the scene and characters. Harrison Ford was a real guy, ala Bogart, and you believe he'd say something like "It ain't the years, honey..." From there, we went to "I don't like fast women," followed by "Ah, Venice." Totally tongue in cheek and over the top. Looks like this will be more of the same. I'm not a hater; I'm psyched to go see this. Just a little disappointed it's going to be another Last Crusade romp.
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F*&K YEAH!
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...will be watching this the day it comes out. Just like you were there for all 3 Star Wars prequels and just like you'll be there for "Clone Wars" in August.
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For the millionth time, this was done on film. This will be a lot more obvious if you see the trailer in the theater.
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That sort of subtle humor is often missing in today's films.
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and as for the trailer itself, I actually really enjoyed it.
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...in fact I believe I'll have another one right now. Mmmmmm, crunchy.In other news, I thought the teaser felt a little slow, it just didn't flow smoothly enough and it's pacing seemed a bit off. That said, the footage and the film itself looks great, and I honestly can't wait until this hits screens.
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"Hank Jones. I always knew someday you'd come walking through my door again."
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..we must never forget or forgive George Lucas (or anyone at Lucasfilm for not having a word in his ear) for so comprehensively shitting on the Star Wars legacy the way he did, and since this is his story, there is MUCH reason to be concerned. Hopefully Spielberg, Ford and Karen Allen will be antidote enough to whatever poison Lucas has injected into this project.
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I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the hack, Lucas, attempted to sway Spielberg away from film, and towards digital instead. Spielberg told him where to shove it.
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Thankfully -- all that digital crap ends up being too dark to tell what's going on.
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But it does make me sad. I couldn't comment on your Indy contributions because of the surprising name you chose, but since then, of course, a more important issue has arisen than squabbling over a mere movie. It would be inhuman to continue with a movie discussion -to pretend that you hadn't spoken up and to ignore your situation. I know that usually it's something to do with the fact you guys got abused as children - and that the cycle continues when you become adults but you CAN put a stop to it. I strongly urge you to TAKE CHARGE of the situation: get the support you need before it's too late. You don't HAVE to do this. You don't have to become the very thing you hate. But even as I'm typing this I know it's probably useless: so few of you seek out help before the damage is done. And then you have to spend years in prison, living in self-disgust, shunned even by other inmates. Is that really what you want? It doesn't have to be that way. That's all I'll say about it - please God it'll do some good.
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it looks good...I hope it lives up to the look of the thing
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All this quotes are bringing back memories and I'm going to start seeing all the Indy movies again just for the quotes. MY personal favorite quote is "It's not the years honey, it's the milage" and "I hate snakes Jock, I hate'em" first time a hero admit it that he was scared of something. You know Superman would never say, " I hate pussy, Jimmy, I hate'em"
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Fool me once ...
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What's with all this "too much humour" crap?
One of the things I LOVED from Raiders was the humour. Indy shooting the swordman, the coathanger gag, the mirror in the fact and Indy's many one liners.
Most of you are acting like they've turned it into an episode of the Benny Hill show when, what I see with the trailer, is the same type of humour we got in Raiders. I know I'm going to get a response saying "Indy saying a line before hitting someone is way more silly than a nazi monkey" but I disagree in advance. Didn't see anything wrong here.
I'm also curious if the film really is about aliens. That shot of the magnetic Roswell thing might actually just be a cool one shot thing in the crate scene. After all Cate's character doesn't have glasses so that might not occur after the shot of her. Maybe it's there intentionally so we get a surprise with the story come release. -
And then all the ones after. Dude, you sound wickedly stupid. And the Dr. Phil diatribe you JUST spouted? Makes you kinda sound like a poof.
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My 8-year-old son discovered the original Indy flicks recently - he loves 'em, of course - and he can't wait for the new one. As I watch and re-watch the 'somewhat underwhelming but not too bad' trailer, I'm reminding myself just how cool it is that I'll be able to go see a brand-new Indy flick with my little boy in a few short months. Since the early 90s or so, who among us thought it would ever happen?!? Blanket-Boy and I will be there on Opening Day, lapping it up! Haters begone!!!
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Remember Indy on the bridge in TOD? That's definitely film. This looks digital.
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Remo Williams was not a good movie. I could tell that when I was 12. Be prepared. There will be a LOT of lines in the movie about Indy being old. I think the "I thought it was closer" would have been better, subtler, and funnier if the line was never given--just the shock on Indy's face about where he ended up, then he beats the crap out of the guys in the truck. Right now, he says the line, and the two dudes in the truck stare at him while he delivers this line, then "accept" Indy's fist.
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The two Indy threads have produced today (over 1000). I think it is safe to say that Indy 4 will be the big box office champ this year.
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Although 640 posts and only one post (well, I guess two including my post mentioning the first) might be a record.
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Your appearance is exactly the way I imagined!
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That sure does appear to be him back there. I don't think I'm so upset with Abner not actually being dead. Marion only said that "Abner is dead." Maybe she was told this, maybe she only meant dead to her. If that is Abner in the back of that amphibious car he looks like he's been off the grid for a long time.
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I told you, it's Indy, not Hank, you fat bastard. Now, give me the fucking torch.
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Something about that trailer just got me giddy like a schoolboy. Wow. The music. The action. The nods to the fans. Everything about that trailer was great! Wow. I'm a little surprised at how excited I am. I NEED THIS MOVIE TO ROCK. I NEED IT!!!! May 22nd baby!!!!!!!
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How did you deal with the SHUNNING and SELF-DISGUST? Hey Evil_Imp...THIS....IS....TAAAAAAAAAALKBACK!I just love that.
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showing us not only that it's going to be a good Indy movie, but prove to us why they HAD to make another Indy movie, and I'm sorry but I just didn't get either one of them. The whole affair looked blase. Like someone ripping off an Indiana Jones movie. That's not me being cynical, it's me being realistic. I really think Spielberg bit off more htan he could chew here.
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That's kind of like saying. "terrible success".
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I didn't get that, sorry.
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Yeah, I could work with that.
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even you may be worth something!
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Feast you fucking jackals!Slake your fucking thirst!
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and it giggles. the good morning america gang also mentioned "numerous cameos from those int eh earlier films some" and something about some being known and some being secret. this mean we'll see sean connery in this after all. come on how can they not? i mean please, it's there last chance. and maybe a willie scott. or how bout ilsas ghost? or that badass knight crosses the seal for one last ass kickin.
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Best B movies of the 80s. Oh Brewster you're so cool!
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Too bad the haters can't actually sit down and enjoy riding a roller coaster of a movie. But I for one will go and see the movie a number of times in May. Say what you want about all of the Indy movies - but they are far better and more fun that 95% of any other movie that has ever been made. And the new movie looks to be much of the same. I'm actually a bit surprised that FORD looks as good as he does in the trailer. I am very very very excited for this movie.
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You have a black and red Che graphic T-shirts, still have your Howard Dean bumber sticker from 4 years ago on you Toyota Yaris, have that XM locked in on Air America, and jack off nightly to John Steward on the Comedy Channel.
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That Lucas didn't have Indy do the Tarzan yell as he's swinging!! Lucas LOVES that gag. It's true!! There's nothing George likes more than to curl up with a vat of wine and watch Carol Burnett. Ten years ago he vowed to put that gag in EVERY Star Wars movie he makes. I just thought maybe it'd spill over to Indy too.
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Don't see it discussed much, but is everyone ready for the inevitable "Mutt Jones and The Blah Blah Bliddy Blah Blah" series of sequels to come?
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Too many whipping sounds. And looks too digital.
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You were failed by the system. And if my last post was lacking in tact, it's because I don't know what you've done, or what you're going to do, but I do hope you get help.
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Where did they get that India reference from? Couldn't they find a legitimate compliment?
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Xiphos if you think keeping a discussion to the "subject" and not on pedophilia and irrelevant venom spewing makes me an elitist or whatever you are mistaken. I suppose you just don't have any standards and i can accept that in you. lol. It's just that not everyone cares about other peoples genitals, or whatever unrelated unneccesary tripe gets posted. I digress, carry on
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"Just one of the Guys" and "My Science Project"?
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Almost afraid to jump in here, but there are a lot of business types in foreign countries that invested in US mortgage-backed securities (thinking "Hey, it's the US! They run the tightest financial ship in the world") only to find out that, for a variety of reasons (potentially having to do with market failures, ineffective/absent regulation, and quasi conflicts of interest on the parts of securities rating firms) that their investments were worthless. Probably not the same people who are upset at stuff like the Iraq war, but yeah, there are people abroad who are annoyed at the flavor of capitalism the US produces.
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Too many stunt doubles. And the CGI is crap and the film looks like digital.
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I thought all far left wingers where atheists? WTF? You have a soul? Damn you loons would pounce all over Romney if he said that.
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-- and it's all in HF's delivery -- "Hah hah hah haaaah...sunavabitch." That's the humor I'm talking about.
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Mesopotamia is the cradle of civilization. Between the Tigris and Euphrates...
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Nice tits! I freezeframed that shot a lot.
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There's too much music and too many actors and too many sounds and I have a small penis.
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Practice what you preach, moonbats.
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Feb 14, 2008 1:06:03 PM CST
YES I RECALL MESOPOTAMIA BEING CALLED THE CRADLE OF CIVILIZATION
by bringingsexyback
Right before Bush gave the word on bombing it.
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Younger brother Billy was my idol. Always chasing that ass.
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You might look into Enzyte. Be like Smiling Bob!
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Feb 14, 2008 1:08:22 PM CST
Would it make any difference if I said I was hung like a bear?
by dashing roger
Maybe. Are you?
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ha ha ha ha hahahahahahahahAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Imagine if he had Internet access, he'd never come out of his room.
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is wherever Mola Ram says it is.
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Aren't we nitpicking? An old dude comes flying seemingly out of nowhere and lands ass first in your windshield, and they are just instantly go "Indiana Jones, kill him!" Im pretty sure if someone's ass made it's way through my windshield, henchman or not, Id need a few minutes to recoup.
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Aren't we nitpicking? An old dude comes flying seemingly out of nowhere and lands ass first in your windshield, and they are just instantly go "Indiana Jones, kill him!" Im pretty sure if someone's ass made it's way through my windshield, henchman or not, Id need a few minutes to recoup.
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Check it on YouTube. It's a parody of Wilford rapping about have dia"beetis".
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Two words: Zabka. Boobs. Definitely a winner.
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so forgive the doubtless rehashing, but if you didn't get even the teensiest frisson at the shot where indy picks up the hat and we see his shadow on the car, then you are full of doo doo butter! it really is the beginning that's full of retard tingles, but that's just because, you know, they're showing this over president's day weekend, lots of families in the theatres, whatever. let that go and remember being 10 and gripping your arm-rests so hard that your eyes were about to pop out of their sockets. yessss!
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Node's not talking about capitalism per se. He's talking about exploitation and killing people to get access to markets and resources. No exaggeration there. Don't wanna get into political or religious battles here but let's not twist his words.
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I don't think either would've been shown on USA's All Up Night, but it's been a couple decades so I could be mistaken.
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We going to reach a thousand posts and keep with the quotes like "You say to stand against the wall!, i LISTEN TO WHAT YOU SAY, not my faul, not my faul" haha fucking short round, I wonder what he's thinking not being in the new movie?
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and bsb...are we back on 80s movies again? you know that's my favorite off-topic topic. that, and, obviously, doo doo butter.
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"It's okay everybody. He has tits." Fuckin silly Rick Moorehouse. My friends and I used to love watching that "bad" 80's flick. I actually bought a full-size poster for it back in college. It, like Explorers, doesn't get nearly the love it should.
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is more like it.
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That was the one with Dennis Hopper, the time machine and goofy 80s dinosaur?right?
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Look through the behind the scenes videos on the indy website if you need proof. You can see the cameras.
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Wilfred Brimley is the MAN.
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Feb 14, 2008 1:14:46 PM CST
"exploitation and killing people to get access to markets and re
by chrth
When did we start talking about WWII?
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My brain is failing
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Or Hank. He likes Hank too.
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you gotta say it 'usa UP! (pause) all night.' god bless elvira.
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Sounds like some Talkbacks I can remember ...
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Hey there dollface, I hear you're looking for a rare artifact that your husband squirrelled away that proves he's been cheating on you. I can reclaim it for you, but two things: I don't work cheap, and it belongs in a museum.
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Feb 14, 2008 1:18:48 PM CST
Already people are saying we should dumb ourselves down
by industrykiller!
Here we go again. I'll tell you when I will feel like I'm ten years old again siting in a movie theater, when the film MAKES me feel that way. I'm not going to do the films job for it and I'm certainly not a "hater" (the ultimate dumbass argument) for feeling that way. They made another sequel to a series that didn't even remotely need one, in an age where Lucas has proved himself a hack and Spielberg's genres efforts of late have been mediocre at best. The trailer, I'm sorry, was underwhelming. When the movie earns my excitement, then I'll feel it, and not a moment before. And anyone who dumbs themselves down for the sake of a film, especially THIS film, does us all a disservice because we deserve better.
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This is one of the few places I can talk about Film and Green Lantern and tell cunts like Animal Structure, Tourist and memories of murder to fuck themselves. i enjoy that. if you want to discuss indy in a safe environment, imdb awaits.
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Look with your eyes, not with your heart!!!!
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I think the one you are thinking of with Kilmer was Real Genius
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hehehe the typical AICN negative cunt. People love shit but he'll come with his 'facts' and tell us how it sucks. Fuck you cunt.
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You're right that the TBs should be a free for all. The ONLY time I saw things get out of hand was that Wild West joke talkback. That was some scary shit!
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The crack of the whip! I love it!!!! Absolutely perfect teaser trailer. Perfect. This movie has now become #1 most anticipated for 2008. It. Is. On.
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I can't help, from the editing in that scene, to think that it was Short Round who gave Mola Ram the idea to rip Indy's heart out. I hope that is not so.
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harrison for delivers! indiana jones is fucking serious in this. ready to kick ass. and i love when him and winstone exchange lines. not as easy as it used to be. and I'm cool with ALIENS because it's all true anyways.
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i went to NY for a week...jesus it's cold over there. i was gonna tell you but i know you hate NY so i kept it on the downlow! ;)off-topic subject #2: i finished the hobbit. i guess it was okay if, you know, you like hobbits. and dwarves. and, like, whatever, all that fantasy crap. HAAHAHHA ok you got me i loves it, precious! so thanks for the tip.
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I'm thinking popcorn was involved. So was My Science Project with dinosaurs? Shit, I'm going to Wiki.
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Plus, he's pissed off I called him Hank.
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You betrayed Shiva.
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There was an interview with him sometime after production kicked off last year where he said it was being shot on film b/c he was going to edit on one of those old school machines (can't remember what they're called) that he used early in his career. It was shot on film.
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Short round one of the few kid acotrs that dind't fuck up a movie? Jake Lloyd fucked up Phantom Menace, kid n Power Rangers Movie fucked it up, damn I hate that kid. I was the true Blue Ranger. I need a drink, I dont' even know what the hell I'm talking about anymore. Jack and Coke please
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Feb 14, 2008 1:27:02 PM CST
I HOPE AT LEAST KEY HUY QUAN AND RHYS-DAVIES SHOW UP AT THE PREM
by bringingsexyback
Even if they did get fucked over on being in the movie.
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Don't remember either of them very well. So I'll stick with Fraternity Vacation.
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that movie was excellent, and all the more excellent because it was about popcorn AND LASERS. yes, lasers, people!
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No, Lady. We had HAM until Dr. Jones there horded it all!
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shorty, willy, marion, salah molom ram, the knight the aligators, at the end thay all have a party at marcuses greave and dance the night away.
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I do hope that they have a cast reunion and have Sean Connery in there also, man am I glad that HD-DVD is dead cause that means we'll get INDY and the Skulls in Blue-ray, hell yes
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The last good Ford movie was K-19 Widowmaker in my opinion. Granted, I haven't seen Firewall. Dont' get me wrong, I love Ford. I think one his best non-action movie by far was Regarding Henry. I can watch that over and over. The thing is Ford is older, times change, torches get passed, etc., but this looks real good. Okay guys, you have my money.
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Spielberg is obsessed with people not having spit.
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There's too many dumb fucks bitching about nothing. And lots of douches lying about how they're not going to see the movie and Indy is old.
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we crashed.
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did someone do that one today already?
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Someone on the Scheider post made the comment about remembering the days when they cast men in leading roles, not kids. Indy would tank in today's market if they had made the original with a twenty-something.
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Feb 14, 2008 1:36:41 PM CST
YOU GUYS EVER ORDERED MONKEY BRAINS AND BLOOD OF KALI
by bringingsexyback
at an Indian restaurant?
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The truth comes out... SHORT ROUND wanted to KILL Indiana Jones! But it would all make sense...
Seeing how TOD comes before ROTLA, Short Round would, in effect, be stopping the birth of Shia LeBeouf.
But was it a worthy sacrifice? From the history that I can gather from the Indiana Jones trilogy, the death of Indiana Jones would mean that the Nazis would have taken over the world. Is the nonexistence of Shia LeBeouf worth that, Shorty? -
she loves Indy. I thought it would be appropriate.
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great handle, young master David Hogan.
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Now that one is a little too much Jake LLoyd ehh but what the hell, short round would have kicked his ass...
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...if I may be permitted to go back to Raiders momentarily.
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Top Men. Christ people, stop talking about Temple of Doom.
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Indy better kill somebody with a flaming shishkabob, Temple style, or I'm staying home and watching CABIN BOY...
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To ageists-suck it.
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It sucked.
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The Ark!
The Warehouse!
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had a Brokeback moment in the cave ... after Shorty beat the black sleep of Kali out of him. Remember how they smiled at each other? That's how love blossoms. Happy Valentine's Day everyone.
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was amazing.
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That they had Shia instead of a grown up studly shortround.
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I would live to hear "Top Men" again.
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Don't come in here and start bashing the trilogy, come on "Hold ON to your Potatoes"
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...before punching the guy out of the truck was an age-related reference to Raiders, where that Arab-Builder lands on the windshield, making a funny face before falling off the bonnet. Indy & the Nazi stop fightng for a few seconds, long enough to have a mutual laugh, before resuming fighting. Funeee!
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"into the great unknown, I go first."
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of the Temple of Doom. It's still a good movie it just lacks the plot line. Indiana just kind of falls into that one.
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grandfather.
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If they knew we were here, they would have killed us already.
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It would have been great to give him a cameo.
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Main reason I liked was it was dark and Harrison finally looked liked the beefed up version of that fisrt drawing of Indy. Raiders was way better but Temple had some moments.
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Walter Donovan: Brody sticks out like a sore thumb. We'll find him!
Indiana Jones: The hell you will! He's got a two day head start on you, which is more than he needs. Brody's got friends in every town and village from here to the Sudan. He speaks a dozen languages, knows every local custom. He'll blend in - disappear - you'll never see him again. With any luck... he's got the Grail already.
[Cut to Marcus in an Arab city]
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Let my armies be the rocks and the trees, and the birds in the sky.
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I can watch 1080p, but my monitor is old skool. So yeah in this quality. It looks mind blowlingly good. I'm very excited. I have goosebumps.
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Damn, Indy and Sallah had some perv moments...
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Looks fine tho.
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watching that as a kid the monkey brains scene was AWESOME! i always thought Short-Round was great too. I dont get the short-round hate. Hes whiney but hes tough
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aww, that's just my pet snake reggie!
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sorry, node. i didn't see your post before i went blithely thinking i was the only snake-poster. shame on me.
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the tile, and now those same people say we can't like a movie based on a trailer. Jeesus, how do you people enjoy anything?
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I didn't realize that I knew the Indy movies that much. 2008 is going to be an ass kicker. Indy with the whip for FTW!!!!
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nazis. i hate these guys.
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There seems to be a new genre emerging that would include this, as well as Rocky, Rambo, and perhaps even Unforgiven: old actors returning to the types of movies that made them famous. We could call it "Geriatric Action," or "Geriaction." I do think this looks pretty entertaining although I never got into Indy as much as some other "cult" films.
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"Like whoa dad! Seriously? You're like, an adventure guy? Whoa!"
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I absolutely loved the opening when the Soviets dumb Indy onto the ground and he calmly walks over and puts on his hat. The rest........... where do I start? All of the whipping and swinging looked completely RIDICULOUS. This is supposed to be a throwback to the originals?! It looked like a NATIONAL TREASURE/TOMB RAIDER wannabe. The main problem with the "Damn, I thought that was closer" line is that he is delivering the line TO THE AUDIENCE! There is nothing in RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK like that. Whenever you start winking at the audience, realism is gone. It's a fine line, and KOTCS seems to have gone way over it. How disappointing.
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I didn't know Indy and Shorty spoke Mesopotamian ...
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Man, I don't remember that many memorable quotes on this one.
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posess that I cannot take away.
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color timing and processing are so advanced these days that they had to ADD some grain on Minority Report in order to make it look grittier. And it was shot on Super 35 (or Vistavision perhaps).
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were always going to complain about it. Its the same old names saying the same old tired shit. You guys should seriously give movies a break for a while as you are all way to cynical and jaded to enjoy anything it seems. you know who you are....I am not saying the trailer is mind blowing but to bash it and nit pick it so much...well you had made your minds up before you saw it so why don't you just go away and come back after a 6 month break from any movie related activities and it might revitalise your interest in the medium again as you guys really sound like fucking miserable boring old bastard who just whine about everything.
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*Waves arms in a manner signifying there are no more parachutes*
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I thought he was delivering the line to the Army guys. Kinda like how he laughed with the Nazi driver before decking him and kicking him out of the cab.
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Indy's chest looks a little sunken. They should have given him a prosthetic chest like Ricardo Montalban got.
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Feb 14, 2008 2:07:42 PM CST
Short Round went on to get into fisticuffs with
by grammaton cleric binks
The Rock in the South American jungles. Not really, but that was a great fight. Didn't even recognize it as Reyes Jr. at first. He's short, but man, he's cut.
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again as I said in my post above..its the same old names saying the same old tired negative shit. I am not creaming my panties over the thing but some of the negative things on here were quite possibly writtenm by these guys last week and they just had them saved in their computers ready to ccut and paste here today. they made up their minds before they saw this thing. where I come from we have a word for them....cunts.
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...that actors like Lee Marvin, James Coburn, Humphrey Bogart, Steve McQueen, Roy Scheider, Charles Bronson and so on are no longer with us, as we're in such a stupidly youth obsessed culture now that real men and real actors are rarely given the chance to shine on screen any more, and certainly not as a lead or in a tough guy capacity. There's a reason why guys like Connery have retired, and guys like Eastwood rarely act any more, and when they do then only in their own projects, it's because crazily they're just not wanted, regardless of how much they can still bring to a film. We'd never get a Wild Bunch or an African Queen these days, or hell even a Jaws or an Unforgiven. Everything has to be filled with young, smooth faces, no character or signs of wear and tear required. All you 'too old' fuckers are to blame for this, and I hate you all for it.
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It has me pumped up.. and fuck it if it's in digital. Somebody had mention it earlier that there was a rumor that Lucas wanted to film it in digital and Spielberg said no. I know Lucas created the character but Spielberg brought him to life, Don't dissapoint Spielberg. Way to shoot Flabby chin down.
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Heston and Eastwood. Heston might as well be gone. He's got Alzheimer's or something mimicking its effects. Heston told Spike what he could do with his gun, and Spike backed down big time.
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Bingo. They think by pissing on everything it gives them the appearance of being wiser, more cultured and more intelligent than others. It is usually the ones that do behave that way that are covering for their own intellectual shortcomings. Always an angry douche in his mother's basement.
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obviously.
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oops, sorry, that was 'goonies'.
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Feb 14, 2008 2:12:10 PM CST
People are tired of this stuff cause it is not original anymore
by romanocc
I am not a hater, but Lucas/Spielberg rehashing Indy is just another attempt to bring back something that should have been left alone years ago to stand by its greatness. I love Raiders, but TOD & LC are just what they: SEQUELS.........I mean why is this even being made? When was the last time a sequel actually took a risk to really jolt the audience? Spock dying in Star Trek II, or Vader telling Luke he is his father? Those were atleast sequels that you walked in not knowing who would live and who would die, but now it will be 2 hours of Indy doing great stunts, making wisecracks about his age, and then he will walk off in the sunset again. Wait....didn't they do that in 1989?
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whhst! whhst!
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Rewatch the trailer and listen closely.
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i dunno, i'm making this stuff up as i go.
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African Queen was the ultimate guy's chick flick. Looks aside, real men want a tough woman like Hepburn was in that flick, not some PMSing, let's talk about our feelings before I cry type that we see too much nowadays. Did Hepburn cry, hell no. She put up with his crap, then when his back was turned dumped his booze overboard. Hell, she even picked leeches off herself. I love my wife, but I wish she was tough like that.
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Need new underwear now.
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All you CGI/HD haters claim "it's not about the effects or the picture quality" it's about the story and characters. I agree with that statement but if that's really true doesn't it stand to reason that just because Indy 4 has CG effects in it or parts were shot digitally doesn't mean it automatically sucks. You can't have it both ways.
It's 2008 people. Did you really think a new Indy movie was going to look EXACTLY the same 19 years after the last one? I prefer the brighter look and tone of the old Spielberg and from the looks of the trailer this looks pretty damn close to that.
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there's a screenwriting guideline that none of your characters shoudl ever talk to themselves, which may be what one9deuce is alluding to. That said, it's just a guideline and of course you see it broken in many movies. Even Indiana Jones. I initially had a similar reaction to that line in the trailer as one9deuce because ot felt a little "wink at the audience". I'm over it, though.
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are all underused real men actors.
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The trailer had a lot of the same feeling that movie had.
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"indeeee the spiders" tom green, for all u canadians and tom green fans who remmeber when he went into the sewers with the sewer workers looking for the illusive chud. that was hillarious.
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Man, I ain't one to talk but why is there so much haterisms today, if that's even a word? Man, it seems like nothing makes us happy anymore.
I guess there is no perfect movie but we got to enjoy this characters coming back one last time before the actors that play them die.
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in greek.
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Feb 14, 2008 2:26:24 PM CST
ONE OF THE BEST MOMENTS WHEN THE CHARACTER TURNS AND TALKS
by bringingsexyback
to the audience out of nowhere is in JFK ("It's up to you") and Goodfellas (when he gets off the stand) ... can only be accomplished if the character drew you into the movie in the first place.
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for nes? i always like that one. can't wait to see what they have in store for the skull game.
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...but I believe the 'Berg said (VANITY FAIR?) that he and his DP rewatched the IJ Trilogy so that they could remember how to duplicate the same lighting schemes and so forth that have become a trademark of the series. (I think it's obvious that SS's color palate has changed drastically over the years.)And if the trailer looks too pristine, that probably has a lot to do with the digital processing of the original film negative and the subsequent color grading (as stated above) now routine in today's filmmaking process.
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Ever hear of "narcissism"?
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You know it.I know it.The American people and the world know it.Those who don't know it, will know it soon enough.Those who disagree can suck the headpiece to my Staff of Ra.
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Belloq, Belloq.
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..I guess you're right when you say that there aren't many of those older "man's man" type actors left, but is that because there aren't many left, or because there's no room for them any more to begin with? I mean what about all those actors who came up during the 70's and 80's, where are most of them now? Past their use-by-dates for the most part. I mean even guys like Kurt Russell are rarely seen any more, and even more rarely in tough guy roles. The return of Ford as Indy, and Stallone of Rambo has really been a breath of fresh air to me, a reminder of a time where there wasn't a Logan's Run type attitude when it comes to an actors age and their related filmic usefullness, and if it wasn't for guys like Christian Bale and Viggo Mortensen doing well these days, I'd just about give up on Hollyweird altogether.
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Dear idiots, Indy is an American hero, therefore you will see the American flag since he is most likely helping out the US government. Get used to it, grow up, and America haters can just shut the fuck up and lick my balls.
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Feb 14, 2008 2:34:28 PM CST
All your life has been spent in pursuit of archaeological relics
by finky089
you want to see it opened as well as I.
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I loved the trailer. Harrison looks great and the movie looks promising. Indy killing communists is almost as great as Indy killing Nazis. Maybe Che Guevara will show up as the token henchman so Indy can put his nasty ass beard through a meat grinder.
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I get what you're saying. And not just cause we have similar handles.
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primitive sexual rituals?
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I've been reading this site for years and have never posted - silently laughing to myself at the back and forth between the haters and everyone else.....but you guys have got to be FUCKING kidding me --- you have to be souless not to get the least bit excited by this trailer - If I wasn't sitting in my cube at work right now, I'd be simultaneously crying and jerking off in excitement for this trailer.....and now I'm old enough to see an Indiana Jones movie in the theater without my mom threatening to divorce my dad for taking me (though she had no problem with him taking me to see First Blood 2 when i was only 2...my earliest movie memory). FUCK THE HATERS.
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that shit always cracked me up...not in a great way, either.
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As god as my witness!!! if this movie sucks, I mean really sucks bad.. I will pack up my tent,gather up all my camping gear, leave my place in line at the theater and go home and forget all about the Clone Wars movie on Aug 15th.
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And how come people don't have walkie talkies?
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(or, whatever he yells)
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to what the guys discription was a few weeks back
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...that I'm as excited as I am about this trailer and not left feeling disappointed and underwhelmed as alot of people here seem to be. OK Lucas REALLY dropped the fucking ball on Star Wars but remember folks he didn't write OR direct this movie so let's keep hoping, eh? Having said that, if it's prequels all over again (which I don't think it will be) I may just have to take my own life
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as the only lady present i would like to point out to all gents: the flowers, sent to the wife/girlfriend/friend with benefits, is truly the way to go. simple, classic. any girl who says she doesn't want flowers is a lying liar. the end.
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Has anyone ever played the pinball game? I would love to have one.
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But this is me praying.....
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didn't see you there behind your giant fetuses!
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He's the fucking man! Still doing all his own 'physical acting' by the looks of it too. Can't wait!
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And not some foreign country like the other Indy movies. You idiots.
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Looks like an Indiana film and all, but fuck me Ford is gone. The dude is a charmless sock puppet. He can't even sell the part time line. Cant they CG his ass out of the film? Plus it looks like they have updated the action to be a bit more charlie angelsish.
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I just hope big stop motion guys don't come to life.
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Apparently one of her coworkers commented yesterday that she'd probably be the only female there today without any kind of "gift" on her desk. When she asked her why, the co-worker said "oh, my boyfriend doesn't believe in presents" or something, but then defended it despite looking unhappy about it. My fiance's like "she was so obviously in denial". I guess it goes back to esteem issues and people that don't feel their good enough to stand up for what they really want. or she's just a lying liar looking for attention b/c she doesn't even have a boyfriend. ;)
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That they have to market this in the style of National Treasure graphics. I almost fucking wept when the theme kicked in and you see his shadow, wicked...
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I've been wondering the same thing, if this Jlo in the talkback has a big butt like the real one or if this is the real Jlo trying to get us into seeing the 2nd part of Selena.
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I really hope that is cleaned up in the final movie. The old Indy would have battered both guys AS he said the line. That was pretty cheesy the way they have it.
I've avoided all plot details so I have no idea what people are talking about with aliens, despite the Roswell connection. I'm holding out hope it will be a great ride but I doubt if it will be better than the original 3 and I'm a pretty hard core Indy fan. This trailer just seems a bit off and fakey. I hope the final trailer is better. -
You're talking out of your asshole
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Really great character...
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this movie looks turd. my older brother likes these movies but i only saw the old man one and the one with the chineese kid. atupid movies man.wake me up when theres another resident evil. i need action not boring old men and whips?
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Fuck the haters.
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Fuck the haters.
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Fuck the haters. This is Indy!
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Fuck the haters. This is Indy!
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Those who liked the trailer and the Tourist camp:retards.
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why do they where stupid hats and use whips, i mean come on? that goth chik looked hot though.
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about my ass but trust me you don't want to see my ass. especially after I've been sitting in this dirty lawn chair in front of the theater since yesterday. Anyway I'll do it I'll pack my stuff up so fast..
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Hell yes, I'm seeing that.
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What the fuck are you? Corporate shills? People are souless for not being in awe of a washed up action franchise making a quick buck off the back of its brand name? Just because Raiders was a classic doesn't mean throwing some of its iconography back on the big screen to churn out some dollars is a reason to get all pants wetting excited. I'm sorry, but its creativity and originality and new ideas and just plain well made movies that get me excited, not seeing recreations of iconic moments from my favourite films done by the elderly and infirm.
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Anyone with "sik" or "dawg" in their handle needs about 10 more years before anyone will listen to your opinion. So go "LOL" and "OMG" while you "LMFAO" at the Kevin Federline website.
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Why are you even here?
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Didn't you read my posts?
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mo', thanks eternally for the nice compliment and for giving mr. occula a call. he'll probably come home with a dirty sock rolled into a rose shape stuck on the end of a piece of barbed wire and say 'this is for you, and thanks for never doing the dishes.' AHAHAHAH!!! it's true, i never do the dishes. ps, i'm going to change the name of my company to 'occula industries.' for all you gentlemen scholars out there, well done on this hallmarkiest of holidays. foot rubs all around.hey finx! how they hangin?
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Don't want to give anyone the wrong idea.
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By Crom............fuck the haters. this movie is going to be a blockbuster and you know they're probably already contemplating about making another one. Greed leads to the darkside and you know Lucas has already comverted.
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Jesus, I feel sorry for you
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I thought this movie wouldn't have any. There was a hell of a lot in the trailer.
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I can't get enough of this trailer.
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Jones, but, (and as much as it pains me to say it) it felt like the fucking 'National Treasure' films. I guess I'll just go watch the OT box set again.
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ignore those who are obviously here to provoke, if you know what I mean.
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top notch.
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I understand that he is talking to himself, but it's for the benefit of the audience. He might as well hold up a sign that says "Laugh Now". DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD, in context of the worlds problems this crappy trailer does not make me sad. In context of being a movie geek it most certainly does bother me. If you can't understand the difference then please...... stop talking.
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I'm with you son. This trailer has surpassed all my expectations. Can't believe this movie comes out in just 3 months time.
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Not acting like I'm part of a fucking guerilla marketing team or wanting to suck the cock of an old man whose having trouble standing up, let alone reading his lines, is hating? I thought I was just being critical of poor product. If you want to be a compliant consumer, go right for it. Sorry, but I've got standards. Your the guy who fucks all those fat girls out there, arent you?
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you may have to send the geek brigade out after him. be warned, he himself is geekish and skilled in the way of the external hard drive.
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Not acting like I'm part of a fucking guerilla marketing team or wanting to suck the cock of an old man whose having trouble standing up, let alone reading his lines, is hating? I thought I was just being critical of poor product. If you want to be a compliant consumer, go right for it. Sorry, but I've got standards. Your the guy who fucks all those fat girls out there, arent you?
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Whats good these days, really? I want a good original action adventure sci-fi fantasy sort of thing. I love BSG. I really liked Pans Labryth, dont' know if thats right. TV or movie? Whats the new Indiana Jones Sw sort of thing these days?
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This trailer has been approved by Chuck Norris - for mandatory viewing by all audiences, everywhere."I blew a load" - Roger Ebert"This trailer just impregnated my geek uterus with awesome." - CARINA CHOCANO, LA Times"(INSERT SENTENCE PROCLAIMING THIS TRAILERS UTTER AWESOMENESS HERE!)" - Rex Reed, Total Poof magazine.
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the ark of the covenant.are you sure?pretty sure.
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"yesss...I know you will".
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She's being modest but damn Jlo, you should have never gave us illusions cause if you were sexy like the real JLO and an Indiana Jones and Star Wars fanatic.............u would be my dream wife.
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Is it any more outlandish than a box containing vengeful ghosts or a cup that contains the Elixer of life? Indy films have always had elements of the paranormal.
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Jack Brooks Monster Slay and Hellboy 2 are both upcoming movies that have monsters and action and sci fi and stuff. They look cool.
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You're fucking HILARIOUS. Really, I mean that. You're last post is so funny and you'll probably never know why
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... I think people are displeased, or whatever, at the aliens because Science Fiction hasn't been a staple of the Indie franchise. His stuff more or less dealt with historical superstition. But this doesn't sound too far removed. More like some Chariots Of The Gods aztec pyramid building alien stuff.
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HD 480 P
http://downloads.paramount.com//mp/indianajones/trlr1/IJ_KOTCS_trailer1_480p.mov
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2nd best movie of the summer, after TDK.
Haters are funny people, what a sad lot.
That trailer REEKED of indy. Those who whine about TLC jokes are forgetting the dead monkey/"bad dates" and the sword twirler who gets shot in Raiders.
Goofy 30's serial humor has always been a part of this series.
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It's funny to be interested in upcoming movies that look less shitty than a new Indiana Jones?
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from X-Files made a cameo.
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but aliens aren't paranormal (although I'll grant that they are weird). Aliens are things with advanced technology. They aren't legendary or mysterious in the same way as religious artifacts are. Different feel, that's all.
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does he know his wife is a lamb among wolves?
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all these day at work. Can't believe these talkback is reaching a 1000 posts. Hell yeah, keep on with the Quotes.
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what you believe..
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*indy throws a can of pringles in the trash*
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i believe 'lamb' would be the last word used to describe me. unless it was one of those zombie lambs from that funny zombie sheep movie. bravo, mo'! ggnore.
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I agree, it was SO Indy. Fucking perfect. There's a certain magic about the Indiana Jones movies and this trailer had that shit in spades. TDK, Ironman, Hulk, Hellboy. This summer could go down in history.
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So glad he missed with that swinging bullwhip trick. That's the way Indy should be. It's not as easy as it used to be. As if it ever was.
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...Where did he intend to land? I'm a moron and I can't figure it out.
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No. Still don't see whats funny. I'm sorry to point out how old Ford is. Maybe if you squint your eyes or take off your glasses he will look younger, and you could wear ear muffs so you don't have to hear him sleep talking. You could even have your mother take you to the movie and shave your nuts to make it really feel like your 5 years old again.
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It's a new Indiana Jones movie. Let me repeat: It's a NEW INDIANA JONES MOVIE. You'd have to be, I dunno, some kind of Giant Asshole NOT to be looking forward to it.
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They miss their favorite towel boy.
Please call them back!
PS. Its great to know that only the US uses sweatshop labor, I mean that stuff never ever happens any place else! .....I wonder why all those people risk their lives to come here still, what, being so racist and mean, and paying so poorly. Viva La PinHead! -
in the heat of passion!
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The only movie I disagree is Hellboy, don't know why I'm not too much of a fan cause the first one seem boring but I know Harry and all the guys love the fucking movie when all I see is a director trying to get his first real blockbuster pic.
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..wackybantha.
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Defo some Giant Assholes about today
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all the haters must take notice that this talkback has passed the 1000 mark and they need to just admit that they're excited for this new Indy.............don't be scared just let your inner geek come out and buy a bulwhip and a brown leather jacket and swing from your tree like back in the day.
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this is going to be a great film - a riveting tale that makes for a smashing film. I'm not being sarcastic in the slightest. Really, I'm not. Oh, go ahead and piss on it.
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Sorry about the wrong impression I'm not a dream anything just some sweaty smelly dude. I guess I need to change my loggin. I was wondering why everybody here was so nice to me.
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you guys kill me. and seriously thx for the laugh, i just got my final tax bills for my company (occula industries) and i was about to cry instead.
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You killed with that last post but damn, i was hoping you were Kristin Bell in a Leia Outfit waiting for in the moonlight with piña coladas and then we could dance in the rain.
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HONEST TO BLOG.
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Bigballsallmanlovespussy69
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There. I said it.
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I just got a valentine card from my girlfried and she said she hold my place in line for Clone Wars while I go watch the new Indiana Jones movie!!! That's why I love her.
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and jlo, you have also given me the laugh of the afternoon. jesus, man, everybody thought you were a girl!! even me, an actual girl! that was frakking brilliant.ps, are you really doing the lawnchair thing outside a theatre?
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Say what you really think son, don't hold back!
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To all you haters and haters hating on other haters - go home and pound on it for awhile.
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Feb 14, 2008 3:46:31 PM CST
Over-the-top action, "subtle efftects" in the first three???????
by moto
What are you guys talking about? Saying the action in this trailer is way too over-the-top is ridiculous. You ALL need to go back and watch the original three movies. Nearly all of that action is over-the-top. Do I need to bring up the rolling ball in Raiders? The roller coaster ride in Temple? I could go on and on. The action in the trailer was right on par with the original trilogy.
Same goes to those who are saying Raiders' action was more subtle. Give me a break. And the effects were more subtle too???? Like in Raiders when the villains' faces were melting and exploding? Or when the equivalent of CG for that time appeared when those ghosts came from the ark and killed the nazis, flew around, and hell, even looked at the camera??? That was SUBTLE effects?
I'll give you the bad timing of the punch line when he went through the windshield, but I'm willing to bet it's not edited that way in the movie. Besides that, it looked frickin' awesome.
And regarding this whole alien thing... I'm willing to bet that there's an angle we're missing here that links everything to the ark and overall Christianity. Everything is not as it seems. But it's 100% better than the stones in Temple.
So RELAX. You can't bitch about the movie until you've SEEN THE MOVIE. And if you play the whole, "I won't pay to see this..." angle then you're a tool because you're basing that off of 80 seconds of footage. So don't see it. Your loss. You aren't some genius though... just a cynical guy who's not willing to let the movie speak for itself. Lucas didn't direct this. He didn't have a say in the shots, the direction, etc. You think Spielberg is going to let that happen? This is Spielberg's movie. He wouldn't have agreed to direct this flick had the story been lame and the script terrible. He wouldn't have done it. He doesn't NEED a blockbuster. He's fucking Steven Spielberg... worth hundreds of millions of dollars. he doesn't NEED anything. he made this flick because it's a labor of love. He loves that character. Settle down people. -
And? So was Last Crusade, and that was a wooden and charmless snooze fest. So whats your point? Your right, people age. Look at Nicholson, in his fucking 70's and still charismatic and fun to watch. The lights have gone out behind Fords eyes. He looks like a zombie. A really bored zombie. I'm sorry for breaking the carefully constructed regressive fantasy world you live in. I didn't know it was so fragile it couldn't withstand mild criticism of a trailer. By the way Mohammed, your obsession with pedophilia and your michael jackson/peter pan like needs to relive your childhood are concerning.
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I think maybe I should change it now! I like the one you came up with, it's a very good suggestion
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Slogans come along?
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that I might just crap my pants and not give a shi+
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that I might just crap my pants and not give a shi+
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that way no one will ever get confused again
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It's a real location and if you watch the HD 1080 version of the trailer and slow mo and/or pause, you'll see.
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Indiana Jones and the Haunted Amusement Park
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Haters say what you will--but this actually looks like an Indiana Jones flick, what with the direction and the sets and the...the...Harrison Ford. It's gonna rock.
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Dude.
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homo jones
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Well played sir.
Tourist, silence yourself. Last Crusade is not a "wooden and charmless snooze fest". While I know that Raiders is the best film, I enjoy watching Last Crusade out of all 3.
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Remember the original promos for Raiders? It was ALL about being on location throughout the world. However, Indy 4 is bluescreens, backlots and soundstages with minor location filming done in Connecticut, Hawaii and New Mexico. Why, because Lord Spielberg didn't want to leave his kids and go on location in other countries. For this, the movie will suffer. The bluescreen on the cliffside car chase is god-awful.
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Yeah.. I'm down here in line at the Metropolitan on I35. Looks like rain. It doesn't seem to worry Harry, at least I think thats Harry.. It's hard to tell he's surrounded by groupies and bodygourds. He's been here at least a day longer than me.
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The waterfalls!
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Is that true? That the only location filming was Connecticut, Hawaii and New Mexico? They didn't travel anywhere else at all?
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The old Indies are just as infested with obvious over the top special effects as this trailer. Back then it didn't look 100% realistic as well but hey, guess what, it was fun as hell! But nowadays when people use the 'cg' technique, that allows for even better and more awesome over the top effects it's suddenly fake and a curse and a blasphemy on the originals spirit. The way this trailer plays out it has the same style as the old Indies, hard and non mtv style adventure action, with loads of Indy humour. Mixing amazing fx with hand to hand knockle punching fight scenes.
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you guys are troopers!
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Looks fun. Will see.
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Don't forget lovely Downey, California. Where's the map and red line graphic for that?!
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Remember the Mine-chase in Temple? Remember how awesome that was!!!
Remember how it is so obviously bluescreen
Remember how noone cares because it is so exciting!!
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Loved that mini-montage
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It's true as far as I know. "Spielberg didn't want to leave his kids." Hurt is quoted as saying just that, because originally they were going to shoot in South America. They did some location shooting in LA too but whoop-dee-doo.
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What the fuck? Why does everything need to be re-done? its our foult damn it. Some hollywood exec over heard some loser fanboy on this stoopid site saying "Hey! wouldnt it be cool if they made a transformers movie? Or maybe a movie where the predators from "PREDATOR" fought the aliens form "ALIEN"? or I know! How about another Indiana Jones movie!"
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The waterfall is real. It was shot in Hawaii.
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As far as I can recall, the originals were GROUNDBREAKING in their use of special effects. That's why we can say "gee, that looked fake but it's ok" Indy 4 doesn't have that luxury because it seems to me there is nothing to suggest Jurassic Park style groundbreaking effects.
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What you guys waiting in line for? I know it aint for Indy or The Clone Wars
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I feel a lot of people don't remember what the Indiana Jones films are about who are criticizing. They are ADVENTURES, not ACTION movies, and they are supposed to be, more than anything else, FUN. People need to know the movies, to know this tone and look is exactly like the others, most of all it looks like Raiders.
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A few of you keep asking how anyone could hate any of the Indy movies. I'll tell you what's behind all the Indy hate--posing. A good chunk of AICN's constituency is made up of people who feel cool by trashing what is popular, and the Indiana Jones is one of the most popular film series ever. By trashing Crusade or Temple (Raiders is in that elite pantheon of un-trashable films like Empire), some people are able to stroke their egos into thinking they are better than everyone else because they criticized something popular.
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Ooo I loves me some Fred Ward.
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...And you know what, I think I was too old for it, when Crusades came out.I remember being excited as fuck as a kid going into it, and just getting bored out of my mind during it. Rewatching it as an adult it was dull and plodding. Raiders and Temple are still lots of fun though. For those complaining about effects, its a trailer and the finished product is still a way off yet.
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...it will take more than children to save you
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Quality team up.That trailer was ok,I like it when Indy gets it wrong only for it to work out,thats the spirit son.......I hope transformer kid doesn't inherit the hat,indy doesn't retire(if he dies I riot) and there are no Kate Capshaw/Tea Leoni Jurassic Park III antics involved(u know what I mean).I'm looking forward to this and I'm keeping an open mind,besides I'm probably going to have to buy the DVD for the family at xmas anyway so... :).Mr Lyon= I respect your opinion and pretty much agree,go and watch the film anyway dammit and unleash talkback hell if u dont like it,all the best :>.
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Why no Sallah?
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somewhere in the movie.
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I'll have the martini WITHOUT poison though. Here's my reasons from this TB: http://tinyurl.com/2b5es9
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So you're not even the tinyiest bit excited about this movie? You say you like Raiders and Temple, right? This looks very much in keeping with the tone of those films.
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So, it looks like Indy tries sneaking into Roswell via the trunk of a US Military car. It's interesting that he seems to be fighting US soldiers in the warehouse, too.
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Feb 14, 2008 4:13:53 PM CST
Wow that looked like total shit. You guys are nuts.
by allpowerfulwizardofoz
You're getting yourself worked up just because it's "Indy". Look I grew up in the Star Wars and Indy era. I saw them all on the big screen. I loved Star Wars and I loved the Indy films. The best Indy film was Raiders. It was and still is a classic. TOD was not as good and TLC was at least a step in the right direction and yes entertaining.
So what feeling did I get from watching that trailer? Nothing. It felt empty. It felt forced and it did not feel like Indy except for the music. It actually looks pathetic. I know you guys will flame me for ruining your circle jerk right now but really guys take the blinders off and watch it again without the nostalgic feelings compromising what you just saw. Nothing about that excited me. It just does not look or feel right. -
Feb 14, 2008 4:15:21 PM CST
Hi I'm Mr. JLo you might remember me from such talkbacks as..
by mr. jlo
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Everyone has already said what I would have said. Crates? Why does it have to be Crates? South American Natives chasing Indy ... That car chase along the cliff ... is that Lucas trying to prove ILM can do the cliff scene from Jackson's KING KONG better than Jackson did it? That's what it reminded me of ... Lucas boringly competing with Jackson ... The joking around sounded bad ... Shia's line "You're a teacher"? Utterly dead. And I was pretty dismayed by all the Helicopter shots in the trailer ... Is that the DPs influence? Waterfalls seen from on high, jungle pillars seen from on high ... I don't remember that kind of high altitude God's Eye view from any of the previous films. Oh well. Meh, Meh, and Meh again.
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I'm sure Russian...all their names are president names.
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Fortune and glory. Fortune and glory.
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Hey but for real, what you waiting outside a theater for? and what's harry doing there also? Am i missing something?
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it was cheesy and bad. would you rather have indy archaeologize ghosts or aliens?
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Where was it? I expected to hear it!! I hope they haven't finished the sound editing yet. We wanna hear that unique "Indy punch" sound!!
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...I think the pop culture market is saturated now. Everywhere I turn there is amazing stuff coming out, be it rereleases or new stuff. Like I said, it looks fun, it looks like a real Indiana Jones flick from back in the day. It might be bad, it might be good, you don't know yet. Yeah the stuff with the whip is kind of ridiculous but so is riding an inflatable boat out of an aeroplane. Like I said, looks like it could be really cool, BUT Ford just looks like wood. I'm sorry, but he just looks like he has for the last ten years. Asleep at the wheel. I guess having Shia in it is supposed to help prop him up. Not a bad idea. I don't get the shia hate personally.
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Feb 14, 2008 4:19:50 PM CST
Hi I'm Mr. JLo you might remember me from such talkbacks as..
by mr. jlo
"I hate Star Wars and don't want anyone else to like it" or "Indiana Jones who is he? and why is he back?" Yes, I'm the same guy that was back in some of those classic TBThis time I just want to make sure it's all cleared up. And I'm in line for Clone Wars it's getting pretty crazy out here. I think there may be freezing rain this weekend.
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I'm going to see Spiderwick tonight mainly to see the Indy trailer. I have not watched it online yet because... well it deserves to be seen in the theater. Some movies are meant to be seen in a theater with other theater goers. Indiana Jones is meant to be be seen with an audience of people having FUN. Don't you all get that?
I would be super happy to have all of you people who don't want to pay $8 for this movie STAY THE FUCK HOME. You can sit at home and talk on your fucking cell phones and bitch about how Lucas raped your childhood to your Mama.
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It's said Spielberg absolutely loved it, but Lucas nixed it. Guess we'll never know.
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Right now! In a hole! Full of rancid feces!
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They came out already or are you guys a test audience or something?
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Wasn't this written by Jeffrey Boam? It involved Marion, their son, Noah's Ark (the mcguffin), Nazis and a devil like character collecting body parts of the evilest men of history. I thought it was a better concept than Crystal Skulls and kept it in tone with the supernatural and not aliens.
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Only 6 more months to go!!! I wish I was in a test audience, that sure would be a lot easier
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...There was alot of disbelief surrounding the return of Rock and Rambo. The trailers came out, and hey, they were cool. They looked good, I got excited. This trailer was alright, and Ford looks half assed. So I'm thinking it might be alright to check out.
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He's said as much. In fact, he may still be credited on the screenplay.
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I watched that trailer about 6 times today. I too am a Star Wars and Indy nut. The only Indy film I saw at the cinema was Last Crusade when I was 9 but watched Star Wars and Raiders endlessly from the age of 4 onwards. Hated the prequels but LOVED that trailer.Maybe they are blinders I'm wearing, maybe nostalgia has got the better of me but after all the Star Wars heartbreak I've suffered the last 8 years, I just want a great Indy movie and I believe in Spielburg. If the film's shit I'll be the first person to admit it.
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mr akyroyd.
hahaha nice try lou che.
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Can't live up to expectations.
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David Koep is not a complete hack, but he couldn't sharpen the other two's pencil. Why hasn't Kasdan done more fantasy stuff the past 15 years? I know, Dreamcatcher sucked hard, but that was more King's story than his.
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I guess I'm just biased cos of how much I loved the Indy flicks as a kid. Of course no new Indy film will ever or could ever touch Raiders but I thought this one looks really promising. Ford seemed like the same old Indy to me but I guess we'll see in 3 month's time.
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Thanks for the info...interesting. I heard that it was completely thrown out and they started with an entirely new storyline...not just polished Darabont's. If it has Darabont's ideas, I'm sure it will be pretty cool. Thanks again.
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Oh my god!
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theyre starving.
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He crazeeeeee!
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i had pneumonia a couple weeks back...make sure you stay dry and warm.remember when you had to make god's eyes out of popsicle sticks and yarn in kindergarten?
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In the prequels they're salt or sand and not CG. In fact, a lot of those so called CG sets in those movies are in fact models. These look the same as those, so we don't know if they're CG or not.
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I like it!
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You'd stare at a guy too dumbly if they just crashed through your front windshield. It's called being human and caught off guard. The one-liner is absolutely no different than the ones in the other films and there are plenty of similar "over the top" situations.
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HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH!
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I've got a gas stove and some popcorn so I should be in good shapeI don't know anything about the popsicle sticks. Could that save my life?
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Raiders of the Lost Ark is one of my favorite all time movies, Temple of Doom Good entertainment, Last Crusade ok and this new one looks like worst than my worst nightmare.
It looked kinda like a high budget Indiana Jones video game starring Harrison Ford. And I hate to be saying this really maybe the next trailer will show off the story more cause this one didnt and possibly the story and jokes will be good enough to make worth seeing once or twice. But my fears are it may since its written by Lucas go the route like the first of the new star wars prequals. And how could Indy really be wearing the same clothes after 20 years... I prefer the latest Dark Night trailer I like the idea of making it a bit more intelligent.
I thought Indy was human not super human like spiderman.
So when I see him flying around on his whip and the 2 cars collide with the cgi explosion its a bit disspointing. It looks to be going the Rush Hour route alot of gigles. Raiders was a bit more serious and now so tee hee ha ha. And the shot of the 2 cars hitting eachother reminds me of the Dinosaurs in new King Kong slipping and slidding while running on the side of the cliff. How did Batman go from corny to cool and Indy go from cool to corny? -
its awesome, so is crusade. the trailer is dynomite. all 4 of these films together equal an amazing series, no matter what flaws they have. when your 65 and all life is sucked out of you youre gonna appreciate all these films like they were your own testicles. theyre 90 times better than national treasure, the mummy, the rundown, the librarian and tomb raider combined.
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Greatest use of the word 'shit' in cinema history.
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Kneel to Zod-MOhammed
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And we have many tapestries. But if you're a Scottish lord, then I am Mickey Mouse.
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you take 2 popsicle sticks and make a cross, like you're fighting a vampire. then you take some yarn and weave it in and out of the sticks until it makes a ghey diamond pattern. then your mom hangs it proudly on a christmas tree. so, i suppose it could work against vampires, if you blessed it with holy water. keep your eyes peeled.
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my professional name.
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I fucking love that line.
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I will have to practice that Commie Cate move from 1:02. You never know when such a commanding pointing arm/finger coupled with a russian shout out will come in handy. Otherwise I guess that this trailer is already burned into my brain until infinity. Even if I'm dead some of these images will still play for me (thanks to those aliens resurrecting my memories)...
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when it comes to his techniques in fighting and adventuring, he can be very hard on himself and vocal when he fucks up cause he knows he's better than that.
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America doesn't care what you think. Just keep buying our products, mmmkay.
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talkbacks has declared war on the Jones boys.
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In the famous qoute from Ahnold Schwaetsniager: "Every body chill"
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I think half of the talkbackers who are complaining about particularities really don't know what they hell words mean.
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...that neither Spieberg or Lucas has said that this is the LAST Indy movie? That there could be more? I, for one, hope this is the start of a new trilogy..just as long as it retains some sense of quality, unlike those sub-Pixar cartoon Star Wars prequel shitfests.
Hey, maybe the next one will be set in 1981? Indy is 90 years old, and is snorting coke off a whore's ass in California in order to stay young when he meets a new sidekick in the form of Steven Spielberg. Fresh from his success with Jaws and Close Encounters, Spielberg is in search of the legendary Selleck Moustache and employs Indys help in finding it. If he doesn't, it'll fall into the hands of Evil Lucas, who'll use it's mystical power to suck up the world's cocaine supply into his neck pouch..leaving Indys new addiction unsated.
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but I will say, having seen all the movies in the theater, as either a kid or a teenager, just seeing that shadow, that hat, and the signature music, I was jumping up and down in my chair. Love it. Can't wait. Fuck the haters. That is all.
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chocolate pudding?
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That was funny!!! I'm going to the snack bar see ya'll later.
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This is Mel Gibson telling you that I love the Indiana Jones trailer but damn that Dark Knight trailer was a teensy eensy bit better and if you happen to catch that Prologue, you know it gave u goosebumps but that's only my opinion.
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That's what scares me.
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That is hilarious, and I quote, "I for one am a man of science and believe in alien life." Really? You're a man of science who holds to empiricism and trusts only in repeatable and predictable physical evidence yet "believe" in unproven and non-existent (at this point in history, at least) alien life? I thought that believing in something unproven and unseen was called faith, not science.[If anyone else has posted something similar to this previously I apologize. This TB has 1100 posts and I'm not reading through all of them]
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Happy... Makes me feel like i'm 8 again and seeing Raiders for the first time.. You just don't get to be brought back to that feeling of being a kid all that often, i'll take it when I get it... Awesome!
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watch this: http://tinyurl.com/2gt4x8Indy is gold!
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first off, nice handle, love it. Secondly, here here!!!! Well said!
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I believe in tiny Gremlins that mess up my car, fuck with Microsoft Windows.
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Got to go and go bankrupt for this sweet but very fucking evil holiday. When are they going to have a "Men Appreciation Day" where girls rub your feet and we get to watch a KY wrestling match between Alba and Longoria...ahhhhh but anyways I hope all this haters understand that even though they might be bitching and moaning at Indy, one thing is clear...........Lucas owns us all. They got my $10 dollars already. I bid you guys adieu
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I need someone who thinks there's too much CGI to detail what they're seeing and THINK might be CGI. The waterfalls? That's real (in Hawaii). The swinging on ropes? Real. (Harrison's face on a stunt guy). The exploding trucks are CG enhanced, and the cliffside is a digital matte, Not some sort of CGI creation. I think people are seeing more CGI than is actually there. CGI means Computer Generated Imagery, and does not mean green screen composite work. All of the original Indy movies used composite work and Matte shots. The only difference here is that the mattes are processed digitally. And to think that Lucas is somehow trying to milk money from us...like he needs money. He may be one of the few truly independant artists working today. Quit hating, you freaks, and just be glad you're not watching some Robert Rodrigues crap or 300 digi-garbage.
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Feb 14, 2008 5:27:56 PM CST
Yeah loc I gotta say you're pretty much the loser here
by industrykiller!
Seems like your taste in film is as plain and base as your taste in women.
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Nolan is very good, but he ain't Spielberg.
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People are ready for something different.
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Although it doesn't help. And everything to do with the story sounding like shit, the lame looking sidekick, and the fact that Lucas and to a far lesser extent Spielberg, are not at the top of their respective games right now. Lucas being a complete washout hack and Spielberg being a far better dramatic director than genre director nowadays. You can scream your pathetic little hater chant all day long, but its more likely than not that this will be the weakest Indy film, and frankly we don't need that.
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Those waterfalls exist. Stop playing Halo for ten seconds and pick up and encyclopedia. You might discover some interesting things about the world. Jezuz.
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Tired of that "Everything new is shit" broken record. Temple of Doom was poor. It was entertaining, but it was a poorly made film. The plot and acting was downright sloppy. It won't take much to top it. Just because something's old doesn't mean it's superior to something new.
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Feb 14, 2008 5:41:59 PM CST
Once again, George Lucas has decided to take a shit in the mouth
by the belligerent irishman
This is ridiculous.
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Yeah, Batman sitting in a room was exciting.
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You know how each of the movies has the short adventure before the main adventure? I wonder if the first adventure is Indy trying to get the Ark outta the govt. storeroom??? Maybe after that is the arrest (which seems to be an arrest) in the trailer where he picks his hat up? Maybe. Anyways, so far I like what I see, should be fun and give us good geek nostaligia giggles.
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I'm looking forward to Indy, and Iron Man, and Clone Wars, and Hulk, and whatevers, but I'm most anticipating The Dark Knight. I just hope I'm not disappointed!
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I'm okay with the movie.
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..is getting universally bad reviews. There ya go.
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Go to the movie's site and watch the trailer. After the "I thought.." bit, there is a shot of Indy in the car with the crate open full of, what appears to be maps and photos and all sorts of paper work.
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I hope I am not repeating any other posts here...We all know that George Lucas and Steven Spielberg have made special editions of their movies recently (ie:Star Wars Trillogy Special Edition, E.T. Special Edition). I have read some reports, and I have a pretty good feeling that the Ark might be involved in this one (especially by the warehouse location seen in the trailer and some of the photos). I wonder if they are going for a redo on the Ark's power and with all the new FX with the faces melting and head combustion. I think this would be cool as hell, even though I could not watch the ending of Raiders without a hand covering my own eyes. I think we might get to see this. If anyone agrees let me know.
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I actually have shit to do. Anyways, everything I am going to say has been said. First off, to the people who hate "haters". Criticism is not hating. Criticism is...well...it's criticism. If somebody HATES Indiana Jones and cannot see any redeeming qualities about it then that is hating. I personally love Indiana Jones, all three films, and I was looking forward to the film. Now though, I'm scared. Quaking in my boots pee my pants scared that I'm not going to enjoy myself. First, I just don't like the aesthetic. It doesn't feel like it belongs in the same world as the first three. "Too much CGI" sounds stupid but it's a valid criticism for an Indy film. I don't believe for a second that they are even on location, let alone driving a truck along the edge of a cliff. In Raiders, there is a stunt guy hanging from a speeding truck speeding down a real gravel road in Tunisia. There are real locations. Yes in Raiders the final effects with the Ark would look better in CGI and the warehouse matte painting and the storm before they go into the Well of Souls. That's about it. The boulder rolling looked real as hell and nowadays they'd throw a CGI boulder that would look like shite. Real things exploded. Remember how they fucking blew the hell out of the Nazi base camp in Raiders? Compare that to the CGI explosion of the Soviets in this trailer. It looks silly. This is my personal opinion. It just did not work for me. If it works for you great. Second, there is a general lack of energy in this trailer. It feels flat. Harrison comes alive only in the "Damn I thought that was closer" line, which I'll allow but is so absurd in its disreality. Having watched it again, I enjoy Indy swinging from the ceiling stuff. I always wanted him to do that. However, remember in TOD when he swung with the whip? It felt like there was weight to it. This doesn't. But I still like it. The videogame "The Fate of Atlantis" was the best videogame ever. They should have just made that into a movie. I could play that game over and over forever. I gladly await for the movie to make a bitch out of me. Until then, I hold to my fear that this won't be what I want from an Indy film. P.S. While I was writing this, I watched the trailer again and liked it. I'm confused.
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Jesus H. Christ, how campy are we going to go, here? Whichever of you candy asses said we should also criticize the bit in Raiders when Indy and the nazi 'share a giggle' before Indy punches him out of the truck: you're dead wrong. In fact, that's an example of the DIFFERENCE in tone. That's a real moment, it doesn't wink at the audience, it's just the two guys sharing a quick laugh only to have it interrupting by Indy's fist. It's fucking bad ass. Indy swinging around like Spider-man, landing in a truck, tossing out a campy one-liner and booting two guys out of a truck is retarded. It's a fucking cartoon.
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It's just completely batshit insane. You have to respect how far that film zigs in the face of, Im sure what everyone was expecting to be a Zag. But still retains the humor and adventure and, maybe more than the other Indy films actually, wonder that the franchise is known for. With that said it's definitely the weakest Indy film, but its going to be better than any film that tries desperately to recapture magic that isn't there on originality alone.
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I think redkamel's post pretty much (inadvertently) sums up what's wrong with the hater "brain":
"Im an indy fan, and was really excited for the trailer...till I saw the villainess has a stupid haircut, mutts jacket is ugly, theres way too much CGI in the trailer"
It makes me nostalgic for 1997 before virtually everyone had access to the internet. For a while there the net was a refuge from the idiocy of the rest of the world. Now it's been overrun by drooling hordes of barely literate asscocks who are so insecure in themselves that they feel the need to carve out a minute, shit-plastered, one-man cyber-empire of dissent based on nothing but obnoxious attention-whoring and the petty dissection of ephemeral minutiae in movies between bouts of building cum stalactites on their forever womanless bedroom ceilings.
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Wow, you are not the intended audience for this AT ALL. Correct if I'm wrong, but I believe one of the large appeals of Indiana Jones is the totally ridiculous and unrealistic sh*t that happens, right? Did I miss something? Should Indiana Jones be a "realistic" faux-documentary now? Sheesh.
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I'm about 100% sure I read that Lucas could not get Spielberg to go digital.
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really nice.
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That's pretty harsh man.
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and smiled when Indy said his one-liner. My brain is adjusting...
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Feb 14, 2008 6:05:59 PM CST
Pazuzu, in the future instead of addressing guys llike...
by industrykiller!
redkamel, who is indeed criticizing minutiae pointlessly. Feel free to address any problems with dissent right at me, I welcome it.
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the whipcrack. They should have had twelve of those in the trailer.
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Nothing I've heard about the story sounds like shit. The only thing Ive heard is there may be alien involvement. Certainly that won't lead to anything like a goofy blue glowing ghost like we saw at the end of Crusade. Alien artifacts aren't inherantly less believable than magical religious relics. And while you may not get as attached emotionally to Lucas's prequals, I have yet to see another film with the creative scope of that universe. Freeze any frame of any of the prequals (especially Phantom Menace), and you have a perfectly composed frame-worthy piece of art. Add that to the fact that Phantom Menace provides the blueprint by which every fantasy film since is made....hardly makes Lucas a "wash-out"
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quite possibly the funniest thing I've "heard" on here. Plus I LOVE you name.
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You don't mess around do ya
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My beef is with haters, not people with sensible gripes. I have, for example, no problem with what you said. It's the idiots I'm after.
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Was the ne plus ultra of Indy related products and services circa 1982. I totally fuckin' loved it when I was a kid. It was terrible, actually, but I must of played through it like a hundred times cause I loved the movie so much. RAIDERS, that is, cause RAIDERS is the only one I loved. The other 2 were cool, but not nearly as cool as RAIDERS.
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then I read the part about the prequels. Films so insipid only a completely brainwashed jackass could love them. There have never been three films made that have less of an excuse to be so horribly written, acted, edited, and filmed. Lucas can't even get his own fucking story right and directly contradicts the earlier films. And Phantom Menace provides a blueprint for every fantasy film since??? That's gotta be the dumbass comment of the talkback. It's flat out lie. Worse in fact, it's a delusion. Lord of the Rings has nothing in common with The Phantom fucking Manace, not to mention that their stories were written decades before. You make it sound like the Prequels arent universally reviled films that just about everyone on Earth thinks are total garbage. EVery frame is a piece of art? Really? Cause the consensus is that every frame is a laughable cartoon full of some of the worst CGI backgrounds and aliens ever rendered.
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God, I loved that game
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Feb 14, 2008 6:17:41 PM CST
I'll tell ya what seems "off" about that Indy falling into the t
by finky089
part- Indy just swung like a pendulum toward that jeep/truck, missed his landing, and swung backward into-no, THROUGH- the windshield of an Army truck, breaking pieces of the windshield frame and all. And he's not even winded? Wow. That's a tough old dude.
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Hey, it's funny, but I have to say with that haircut, the femme fatale looks like Roseanne's sister on the sitcom.And to OwnedbyGeorge....Uh, the blueprint for Lord of the Rings was NOT: Frodo and Merry and Pippin head out to resolve a trade dispute against horrible Japanese Stereotype Aliens and then sludge through a Jim Crow era stereotype's underwater city and hold off on the awesome moments until the last six minutes....With podracing.This looks like a fun movie. I love Indiana Jones, and the lead lady's hair is stupid. It's a fucking caricature. But then, aren't all three movies not realistic? I mean did you see Marion hit that fucking statue and not dislocate her hip? How about a full ass katydid coming out from under Spielberg's wife's hair and didn't get crushed...Indiana Jones is pulpy goodness. And the whip being used as a swing, fine...Lucas and Spielberg both wanted 'nothing to go right' for Jones...that's the whole thing right there...This looks fun and good and good and fun.
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Same difference, shorter name? Anything you say about that motherfucker gwanna piss off somebody anyways. Nah, but seriously, I like where your going with the offensiveness. Everybody gotta lighten up about their myths and fairy tales. Its all a big cosmic joke were stuck in together anyways, may as well laugh at it, with it, in spite of it.
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I of course watch the ending of Raiders now, no problem. Just when I was 7 years old watching it in the theatre, it was scary as shit! Hell, I had to cover my eyes when the goofy looking Wampa puppet popped up at the beginning of Empire Strikes Back. The new Wampa in ESBSE was pretty creepy. Especially with the tauntaun meat stetching out from it's teeth.
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to be so massive as it is hinting to be. It seems very epic.
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somehow???? I guess because my game systems went from Atari 7800 to NES to Sega Genesis back to NES. And that was it. I'd love to give it a whirl, if only I spoke Hovitos. I mean, could find the appropriate system and game itself.
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What a jip.
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Crack your whip on those haters!
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You're damn right about that. Now I must go and take care of my birdies.
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Feb 14, 2008 6:24:45 PM CST
So, is it too early to ask "when's the next trailer" coming?
by finky089
Is this "it"? Or is this likely just an enlongated teaser?
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Wait until the film comes out. It has been suggested by some that he'll petition the WGA (or whoever it should be) for credit if he feels they reused enough of his ideas.
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It'll be really interesting to read what his unused script was like and how close the final cut of Indy IV is (or isn't) to it once this film finally opens and people can talk about it. I'm really interested to hear specifically what GL & SS and others went through to finalize the idea and script for this movie, as well as specifically what they (George, really) didn't like about Darabont's version. And how they decided to "ok" that wig on Blanchett. Perhaps John Hurt can loan her a "V" mask?
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I think the official site calls this trailer 1, finky. So I guess there's more to come.
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Come on, the American flag is there because this takes place in the 50's and the "bad guys" are the Commies. The Red Menace. Us VS them, USA VS the Communists. I am surprised people don't get that.
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except a shot of that Roswell box.
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Yes, SWAT. Bad movie, but Ebert's review of it I think encapsulates what some people here are saying. Stunts and fights etc that are "real," or at least movie real. Ebert explains better if anyone wants to go read that review. As for all the back and forth in this talkback, "your persistence surprises even me." But hey, at least it's not the snooze fest they have going on in the Star Trek talkback. Zzzzzz....
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And he's waiting for his alien friends to come home.
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It's real simple really, you'll see more criticizing for future pics and trailers for Indy 4 simply for the fact that it makes the TBs go crazy and wild, like snorting coke off a whore's ass, it's FUN and FUN in TBs is always FUN, naughty! They're not ACTUALLY hating on the movie because let's face it, the haters will watch this movie 9,000 times, they'll be racing to the theater like shit through a goose. So the rest of us, don't take them too serious, they sure arent!
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By blueprint, I mean the way by which the films are crafted. (ie. lots of elements shot on green and shots composed in post---digital film-making) George pioneered the use of digital film. Phantom menace was also the first film to use a fully digital character (not just a dino or animal). WETA digital was formed by mostly ILM people, using what they learned and created for George. Every time you watch a Sin City or Sky Captain or Narnia or LOTR or 300, you have to acknowledge the debt they owe to Lucas. But that's all off topic, since Spielberg resists filming digitally, and works as much in camera as he can. My original point was that I don't see Lucas's digital influence in this trailer...it looks great. Oh, and you're right that Temple of Doom is bat-shit crazy, and for it's daring alone, is far better than Crusade, which felt like a back-step.
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Upon second viewing I wonder if they're being ironic w/ the opening. All the melodrama: He survived this, triumphed over that... The dramatic (Dune?) music. So typical of modern action trailers. But then they hit the brakes. Go to black. And come up on Indy's old Alden boots and his hat, and he classic music kicks in. Like a total 180. And then the rest of the trailer is what we more or less come to expect from Indy's serial adventures. And what we've been missing. Just an idea.
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I'm completely serious. And I may not see this in theaters, just like I didn't see Spider-Man 3 or Transformers in theaters, and I'm pretty god damned glad considering how awful both those films were. Now this is guaranteed to be better than those films by a long shot, but I would rather see no Indy film at all than a mediocre rehash of one. So maybe I'll see it, maybe I won't, I'll have to see the next trailer and find out a bit more about the story and this Mutt character. Although fail to see how seeing a film in a theater negates anyones comments on said film. If I do see Indy 4 it will be because I want to see for myself how it turned out, not because, despite my comments, I think it's going to be fantastic.
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Don't count me in that rant. I am not looking for attention I am however speaking my opinion be it we agree or not. Lets just agree to disagree. We've both been on AICN for quite a while. I don't post as much as you do but when I do post it's not for attention whoring. I post to voice what I think about what ever said topic is in discussion. I've both agreed with some of your posts and disagreed but please lets not lump everyone who is not in favor of the trailer or what they have seen or read so far about this new Indy installment as being someone who is trying to be an attention whore because that to me is offensive and is not a fair to make a blanket statement.
Look I am one of the guys who praised the idea of the Transformer movies and gave people shit for taking it so seriously instead of just enjoying it for what it was. I loved the movie. I own it. It did what it was supposed to do and entertain me because it was after all a movie based on a fucking toy commercial.
Indy is a different calibur though. It's something that is close to everyones heart who grew up in the 80's just like Star Wars. It's not a commercial it's a slice of Americana, a pop icon. I truly loved Raiders. Didn't care much for TOD but still liked it enough not to trash it, and Crusade was tons of fun. Still for me based on everything I've read, the pictures that I've seen and the trailer that has been released I just do not find that giddy inner child within me getting the feeling I should have. Sorry it's not connecting for me. Does that mean the movie will suck? Who knows. After all again all we have is a template for a story based on what has been released to the press and again the pictures and trailer. Nothing so far has knocked my socks off. Ford looks tired and old in every picture and yeah I know it's because he is old. Still Connery has always managed to find that spark even in his old age. It's called presence my friend and Ford no longer carries it. He checked that at the door many years ago and I see no presence in him when I see those new Indy pictures and the trailer for me personally only firmed that up. The scene in the truck is uncomfortable and really feels forced to me. I am not trying to rain or piss on your Indy parade and you shouldn't let my opioion or someone else's get you so worked up. I hope the movie delivers for you what you want it to be. For me I am going into this with the lowest of expectations, giving Lucas, Spielberg and Ford one last dollar and hope I can walk away wrong feeling like I just watched a great Indy flick.
As of now though I am standing by what I feel in my gut and what I feel in my gut is that this film will be subpar and just a cliche of itself trying to recapture old magic through a forced hand. That does not make me an asshole DocPazuzu that makes me realistic and again it's my opinion. No attention whoring needed because I do have something called a life that I enjoy outside of posting on here once in awhile so no more lumping everyone who disagrees with you into that category you've created. -
Here's a friendly tip:
I you want to either win an argument/discussion or infuse your statements with credibility, never ever say "I'm not going to see this movie". Maybe you actually won't see it (doubtful), but saying that makes it sound like you're trying too hard. It's almost like Godwin's Law -- as soon as you say it, you've lost it.
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Did anyone actually read the Vanity Fair article? Lucas flatly admits that both Ford and Spielberg resisted doing the Crystal Skull storyline for years until one day Lucas just up and exclaimed that it was either that story or Indy 4 was never going to get made. In the face of that Ford and Spielberg acquiesced, begrudgingly. It's right there in the article, read it. That is what kind of megalomaniac those poor bastards have to deal with. When some asshole forces you to conform to HIS story, that influence will be present, whether it's aesthetically visible or not.
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Read my reply to TerryMalloy in here and my post in the bootleg TB where I explain that I do indeed differentiate between legitimate criticism and pure haterism.
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the jet sled/rocket sled thing towards the end of the trailer where Indy is kicking that Army guy through the glass? He's clearly swinging over some kind of a tracked jet sled...notice the seat in the lower middle of the screen and the jet engine on the left. It looks like an old J-47 engine they used in the '50s...can-annular axial flow. That being said, here's hoping that it is just a background set piece and not used in some kind of a chase sequence a la the Tmeple of Doom mine cart. That would be gay.
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Just maybe not through the channel of a movie theater. Or maybe I'll just walk in after I see another film. Sorry if I was obtuse. I didn't mean to sound like I will never watch on principle alone, I could see how I came off like that though. I meant to say I won't pay to see it if I don't feel it deserves the support. I don't think the box office gross will miss me.
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...I mentioned redkamel's post because I thought it would be an obvious example of the type of moron I'm referring to.
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not a bad job guys and gal(s?) We had our enthusiasts. We had our "haters". We had srguments, some of which got ugly. And we had haters of haters. And, of course, lots of Indy movie quotes. All in, I'm actually surprised just how "par" today's TB turned out to be. Oddly enough, I feel similar in some ways about the very trailer for which this Talkback is for.
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Who intoned that people who speak skeptically about the film are somehow lying about their position and in fact can't wait to be int hat theater. I know you don't care whether I see it, but I don't appreciate people intoning I don't put my money where my mouth is.
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did you mean to say "The creator" or "originator" of Indiana Jones? No one bashes JK Rowlings for insisting her stories be followed.
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certainly it isn't for # of posts - not by far. But for how quickly it hit 1200, maybe?
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hope that sums things up, whether you're inclined to like this new film, or clingly lovingly to only its three older siblings.
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until mr. jlo outed himself!
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I don't know... it looks good I'm ready for it.. but I just don't know about that spiderman looking stuff in the warehouse. If he starts pulling a "Yoda" move like in AOTC I think that will be it for me, I'll just throw in the towel and call it a day. Don't get me wrong I'm still excited.
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And that you all have a better chance of getting laid tonight than normal if you'd just get off your butts and go to a bar. PS - Lucas rules! Phantom Menace is great! Anyone who says otherwise does not understand shit about film. There. See what kind of reaction that gets.
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I'm talking about a man who doesn't take into consideration the point of view of the two other men with an equal share in the character. Lucas might have originated the idea, but Ford and Spielberg deserve every bit the credit Lucas does. And not only did he not take their dislike of the story into consideration, he DEMANDED they make that particular story as if it was the only one that could have possibly worked. And given how awful the prequels turned out I think we all know Lucas has lost his touch as idea man.. The Rowling comparison is preposterous. Lucas merely comes up with an idea and relies on others to bring it to coherent fruition, therefore he is working in a collaborative form, unlike Rowling who paints every picture completely independently of anyone else.
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I just logged on to a differant computer and this one won't let me on with my new handleAnd for the record I was not outed, I was never "ined" You have to be "in" to be "outed"!!!
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I predict that these Indy4 Talkbacks are going to be the most contentious thing we've seen since the great TRANFORMERS board wars. No quarter will be given. And history is sure to be made.
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but what the fuck is up with Ray Winstones digital pants and the still images pasted in behind him (If you look closely the soldier on Winstones left is made up of still images). I work in a post production house and the 3d guys who work here were laughing at how bad that shot is
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I saw the movie, did not like it, end of story. I know a lot of people liked it. Were there people talking about it in a TB?
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Oh, and creepy--I refuse to read that large of a post on general principle. If you have to rant, make it readable; use paragraphs.
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could be a good sign. but he still looks stupid in the jacket, not natural. but as long as he isn't deuchy i dont mind.
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You're kidding right?! This is AICN and you're asking if TRANSFORMERS was discussed in a TB?!
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What a load of crap. We've seen this movie 3 times already, with a younger more athletic Indy. This looks like the same crap wrapped in a new package.
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That is to say, geekrage blood, spilled in great gallons across the interwebs, t-minus 3 seconds after the ending of the first screening and lasting pretty much forever. I wonder what the JarJar will be? Or will it be JarJar free? Wait and see, wait and see... I bet it'll be a fun flick, and the geekrage blood that will be spillt will probly akshully be even more funner.
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...and that's the problem. It's just good. Watching it, it doesn't fill me with that nostalgic giddiness or tortured anticipation that I was hoping it would.
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No. not kidding, if something says Transformers on it I run the other way. Thats why it's funny to me to read all this stuff from people that are not into Indiana Jones.If it's not something I'm into I don't even see it. However, I did go to see it in the theater and I had a good time, it was fun. I dont' regret it at all. I'm not boycotting Micheal Bay. The film just didn't stick with me. I wish it did I would really love to see something new and bad ass, we reall really need a new Hero of some sort.
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I dunno about you, but I'm at work right now...
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For one thing, the great Transformers debates were raging a full year in advance of the film while Indy is only just now starting to heat up. Even then, a typical TF board exceeded a thousand posts by the end of an afternoon and would do so at EVERY article, even if there were two or three in the same day. No, TF is still king, I'm afraid.
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And Indy has to do the yubyub dance in his underroos at the end whilst dancing with Ewoks and freakishly animated melted zombie nazis.
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I had an image of my mind of what Back To The Future 4 would be like when I was a kid. Basically it amounted to Marty screaming "Oh SHIIIIIIT!" as he was being chased by a dinosaur. That's what this trailer felt like. It lost me the minute we saw Russian Blanchett, and after that just got suckier. Plus, Ford sounds like he's trying to do an Indiana Jones impression, like he's forgotten how to do the character voice and resorted to self-caricature or something
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wil actually be jar jar binks. the skull actually kinda looks like a gungan skull, but a mean primitive gungan. jar jar will step out of the wormhole the skull opens and say "meesa so smiley to seee you indeee".
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Has anyone else found that despite hating Phantom Menace when it first came out, after seeing the two that followed it, you find Phantom Menace the most watchable of the three?
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Who won the great debate?
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Zone. Inbox.
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I completely realize I'm in a minority here but I'm not a Frank Darabont fan at all.
I haven't seen "The Mist" yet but Shawshank, The Green Mile and The Majestic are some of the most drawn-out, tedious and treacly movies I've ever seen. His version of Indy 4 probably had an hour and half of Indy talking to Sallah about his feelings. -
I wouldn't want to insult Lucas' most beloved creation, his most popular character, Jar Jar Binks.
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just dont like jar jars antics and the kids bad acting. it aint that bad but it has its flaws. too bad.
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No, I like ROTS still. Actually when I saw TPM I loved it until I watched it at home on VHS. After like the 3rd time of watching it at home I realized that I kept falling a sleep and waking up at the battle scene at the end.
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I hear you. As moondoggy2u has sort of pointed out, the TRANSFORMERS threads brought out all kinds of haters, defenders, and all around general assholes. The geek factor was set at about 10+ and the much spirited debate made for some great reading.
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looks like he is fucking phoning it in. i hope he doesnt fuck this up.
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I mostly like all the basic story line of the PT. It's the acting and lack of chemestry that bugs me.
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Thats a great idea, cheifchirpa3000. I think there definitely needs to be some sort of extended Jar Jar Binks meets Indy part, or like they become sidekicks. The interwelps would be agog with impotent, though seething, desktop rage. LET LOOSE THE HELL HOUNDS OF INACTION!!!
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Sounds like good times to me.
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that should of been on top of the list for things george has to do.
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Feb 14, 2008 7:42:11 PM CST
Fuck Indian Jones, the trailer true movie fans have been waiting
by blindambition238
http://tinyurl.com/375ryg ... yep Uwe Boll's Farcry. I reckon most of the budget went to this trailer which samples the Dark Knight theme, Usual Suspects, and the Bourne Ultimatum song. Thank me later.
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THANK YOU to everyone who has defended the waterfalls. The waterfalls in the trailer ARE FUCKING REAL and ARE NOT FUCKING CGI. Gosh. Thank goodness for those talkbackers who actually know their fucking geography. FUCK YES! INDY IS BACK!
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Okay, I can admit that because I'm a girl, and it's true, at the first few bars of the opening music, I had tears in my eyes. I love these movies and I can only hope that this one will bring back the pure wonder that was Indiana Jones. And Shia LaBeof (sp) looks like a good addition to the crew.
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nobody cares.But nice try.
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be so awesome. or even if jar jar went back in time to like 1912 and got snatched up by dog catches and was the one henry jones sr picked out instead of ol indiana and when henry jr grew up chose his cool nickname he became jar jar jones seeker of adventure.
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I stopped reading after the first 130 post.
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Thank God it's not here.
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They're the same fucking waterfalls seen in MOONRAKER and THE MISSION. you dumbasses
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is that one of several producers is also the same guy that directed the Star Wars prequels. I too thought TPM and CW sucked, but Spielberg is in charge here. I don't know how, after seeing the beginning of a smirk on Ford's face when he says "part time," that you cannot be somewhat excited for this film.
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hoping JLO is a girl, otherwise i think its someone quite gay
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Yes, it is true that the TRANSFORMERS debates were being waged a year in advance. But I'm talking about "Geek Contention" here. INDY4 marks the return of one of the greatest franchise characters of all time...not to mention the original creative outfit behind the whole thing. I can't imagine another film situation more primed to duplicate such heated debate than this one.
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Phantom Menace is the easiest to watch for me because it brings me back to a time when I thought the series would have a proper resolution, and that there was enough time an room in the story to do so. All kinds of crazy playful things could happen because it was 40 years before Episode IV and Padme was hot, the designs and aliens were funky and Anakin could have grown up to be somebody that wasn't a board-stiff assclown. it is also the most even in tone. ROTS is the second most watchable for me, mostly because of Ian McDiarmid and Ewan MacGregor, but is like picking diamonds out of a pile of old, ruptured diapers. Attack of the Clones just feels like pure ouch, from the painful title to the eye-clawing, ESB-echoing(or is that foreshadowing) shot of Anakin's robo-hand .
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it will be the greatest movie compared to some of the crap you haters like.
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it will be the greatest movie compared to some of the crap you haters like.
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No.. I'm not gay it's my initials and I changed it earlier but now I'm on a differant computer and it won't let me use the new handle. I dont' think AICN attracts gay people. I think debating an Indiana Jones movie is the straight mans struggle.
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WHAT THE FUCK is all this religion shit doing here? Let's throw this shit out the window, dumbasses....this talkback is for the Indy teaser...who gives a shit if some ass does or doesnt believe in aliens...what the hell...
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I agree whole-heartedly. AOTC is the worst of the 6. so horrible.
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"Cum stalactites"! I nearly fell off my chair. You have won the day, sir.
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AOTC was the only one that I walked out of and felt a little weird. I went to the midnight showing in s Austin, Harry was in the theater, and we all walked out at like 3am and the TV news people were there asking all kinds of questions. All I could think of was Yoda doing that donald duck thing in his fight scene, so I told the news people if you're not a fan it's not for you.Anyway thats' my story
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http://tinyurl.com/2s85d3
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he said about this film back in the day?
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How can you not love it? Its the only prequel worth watching more than once. Its the only one worth watching, period! Shit I've watched it at least 20 times and I still love it. Its the third best Star Wars movie for me -- ESB, ANH, and ROTS in that order. TPM is boring, AOTCs last 30-45 minutes is good, and ROTJ is really all about the stuff with Luke and Vader, especially the final scenes between them (which still gets to me in some primordially emotional way), the rest of it is pretty 'whatever.' But anyways, I don't get how anyone could defend either TPM or AOTC as being better than ROTS. Shit, ROTS is the best STAR WARS movie since ESB, easy.
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http://boards.outerrimsieges.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=3358&start=15
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Lucas manages to directly contradict the OT AND ROTS itself in one two hour, horribly acted, directed, and written time block. Not to mention destroying the myth of the Jedi by making them look like a bunch of fucking schmucks.
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The Jedi die. Check Anakin becomes Vader check. Palpatine in power. Check Clones become Stormtroopers. Check. Ben to Tatooine. Check. Yoda to Dagobah. Check.
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The sequence where Indy grabs the hanging light, swings up and out of frame is pretty close to the Ewok thing in ROTJ when the Ewok grabs a vine to swing away from the Speeder guys. Not quite exact, but reminded me of it.
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the outing wasn't really outing...it was everybody accidentally thinking mr. jlo the third was a girl. well not accidentally coz, you know, jennifer lopez and all that. anyhoo, laserpants, i've asked you before and i won't ask you again, please don't use the phrase 'yub yub dance' because whenever you do i end up laughing hysterically and spitting whatever i'm drinking out my nose and all over the place. tonite it's cream soda, people. not fruity, but delicious nonetheless.
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But whatevs.
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So many happy teddy bears at this teddy bear picinic... IN SPACE! Succumb to the dance, Occula, lose yourself in the mad rhythms of the Ewoks freaky agrarian lifestyle in the trees! You know you want to... dance thee Yub Yub 4 Evr!
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I completly agree with that. The bulk of what Lucas had in mind for the PT was in ROTS, I don't know what interview it was but he goes though it. TPM he had the least, AOTC, then like 60% of what he had in mind for the movies was ROTS and it shows.
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I love me some ROTS. All the movies have bad acting, so, thats kinda whatevs, but I think the acting in ROTS (with a few grinding exceptions) is the best of the prequels, easily, and, in terms of storline, plot, narrative tension, its easily on par with the originals, before all the nonsense occured. Its the only one of the prequels I love, flat out love. But, whatevers if you hate it. Yr entitled to hate.
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i am spasming on the floor from the retard tingles. it's worse than getting tickled. in fact the only thing worse than it is the last second of jedi when billy dee does a totally ridiculous boogie move that is worth watching over and over again. billy dee, billy dee!
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by the OT. In the OT we see the five greatest Jedi that ever lived. In the PT, when Jedi roamed the universe in greater numbers, they were a few notches above samurai, nothing more. (That's how I see it anyway.) I don't think ROTS destroyed the myth of the Jedi, it enhanced the myth of those particular five from the OT.
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This teaser trailer is so fake.
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Look, I'm really sorry about that.. I never even thought about that. The first letter of my first name is J and the first letter of my last name is L and then o is the 2nd letter of my last name. Some friends called me Jlo for fun, I never thought twice about. I'm sorry if I hurt any of you and maybe someday somehow someway somebody will forgive me.
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I fucking feel it. This is as if the murray, akroyd, ramis etc. finally got off their asses and made a ghostbusters 3. I mean all the originals coming back. that's why al these comparisons to other returns to former glory don't mean shit, because in those cases most of the original crew didn't return. This is everybody, even marion. Will it top raiders? I don't think so. Someone said it better, that raiders was born in a time when lucas wasn't a complete douche bag, spielberg was ridiculously brilliant, better times than now overall. Still the essence of the original will easily be captured here and thensome because we have so much new territory to explore with jones as a seasoned veteran who's seen it all. It's a new challenge for spielberg. he's never had to age a character like this before. you can do it berg. I'll forgive you for war of the worlds!
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mr. jlo the third, i have visited my priest and asked for forgiveness myself. actually, i'm lying, i don't have a priest and i'm sitting on the couch eating cold pizza, but whatever. thank you for your kind words on this most wretched of holidays. ps, i hope your girlfriend brought you a valentine in line!
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Yes she told me she would hold my place in line while I go in to watch KOTCS in May!!! You should really heat up your pizza thats what I did. By the way this is a stupid holiday.
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you know, sometimes i likes the pizza re-heated in the oven, sometimes i likes it straight from the fridge. i'm wild and crazy that way.so forgive my ignorance but is this a waiting-in-line-for-charity thing? or are you independently wealthy? or did you just say fuck it all and grab your lawnchair?
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No not charity, I still work. I've got a cell phone with me at all time. So, from the hours of 3pm to 9pm central standard time I do tele-marketing. People like Clean Water Action or Travis county Sheriffs Posse pay for my service. I'm really trying to break into the national market that's where the real money is. If I could telemarket for someone like Clinton or McCain I'd really make a name for myself.
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something to tell the grand-kids!
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After what Lucas has put out, perhaps he can go back and give us SE versions of the SE...you know, make TPM and AOTC not suck as much...hell, it could happen...whatever, I'm not a Lucas basher...I'll admit that I'm one of those guys that will grab and buy anything he throws at us...that's how badass he is...HELL YEAH...Indy is back!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYNTV61FeAs
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYNTV61FeAs
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Bet you they're John Hurt's...or Abner...as everyone on the Internets suggests...FYI I'm listening to "LIVING ON VIDEO" by TRANS X. HELLZ YEAH, bitchez
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I wanted to bring this back to quoting Indy movies. The above was Belloq telling the Hovitos to chase Indy.
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i need your skulls
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It's worthless - ten dollars from a vendor in the street. But I take it, I bury it in the sand for a thousand years, it becomes priceless. Like the Ark
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Sounds funny, doesn't it? "Thanks, Turd." It's like something a big brother would say to a little brother. It could've been worse- i.e. "Thanks, WeinerPenis."
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You are not in a position to ask for anything. We will take what we wish, and then decide whether or not to blow your ship from the water.
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Woo-hoo, I'm still excited!
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this talkback went nuclear, just as expected--the results, a sublime collection of fury, geek, and asshat.
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Cause it's out. Check it at Yahoo Movies.
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I love you.
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Damn that thing freezes.
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So you know there's a trailer out too?
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Just saw the international trailer, it's the same but without the flag.
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right before the "part time" line when he, Marion, and LeBoof are in the car. He looks funny.
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I was looking forward to this until Indy crashed into the truck, paused to quip, then punched the guys. That is a BAD, BAD sign.
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I love you too
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Actually it is ha ha funny.
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Seriously.
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The girl I said that to gave me a weird look.
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Indy's never looked so terrified.
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i mean, probably not if you have one, but if you don't, it's funny. i am talking about the herpe, btw. holla, nitetime crew!
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but all he did was say one line and turn around in slow motion.
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Only extreme movie geeks can use acronyms like "TOD" and "PT" and "ESB" and actually understand it. I, sadly, fit this category.
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That wasn't CGI. Dude's got belly jelly.
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LaBoof kind of still annoyed me, as soon as I saw his petulant face. But then he acted a little more like a man, and I decided to continue reserving judgment.Happy VD, occula. Did you talk your significant other into fingering you in the dump hole? Because today is the day.
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for romantic, intimate fingering.So am I correct in thinking that Russian spies dress up like American soldiers and trick Jones? Where is McCarthy when you need him?
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Most modern movies have that clear digital look to them. I prefer the look of film.
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I agree with your TPM comment. I was still in the pre-cynical age for TPM so i thought it was good at the time, but watching AOTC and ROTS as i grew older each one became worse to the OT. TPM was the last shot on film without so much green screen like the other two, and it shows, even Anakin gets a pass because how else would a 12-year old act? Really the only problem is Jar Jar. For the next two Lucas just fell in some CGI bushes in a drunken stupor. AOTC was the pits, Lucas was trying to mirror TESB here but botched it, it came off like some noxious-fumed walking-to-the-bathroom-at-night feel.
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More LaBeefy!
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Check your slow computer. I ran the 1080p version with no problems.
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I caught the other two. Maybe I'm only two-thirds the extreme movie geek I thought I was.
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you know how to charm a lady, cho. *wink, wink* sadly, there will be no fingering. my husband is in the weeds at work and staying late, and i am in the weeds at work at home, making a bloody logo that's actually heart-shaped; ah, the irony. so no vd-swapping this fine evening. you'll just have to make up for it with your own special lady friend.
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in like eleventy years.
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Can't wait !!!!!!
Fucking Indiana Jones in action !!!!!
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My charm is astronomical, as is my wit and muscle-y-ness...tude. Whatever it is, it works. Also, I will make up for it with my special lady friend. Maybe she will knock a few bucks off her regular price.As for the trailer--o.k. I think I could have made a better one though.
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I understand the "hate". I do. I point to the biggest let down of all time that is SW: Phantom Menace. Our expectations were through the roof and Lucas was hailed as king of sci-fi at that time before the movie came out. I understand why someone, despite not knowing hardly ANYTHING about the Indiana Jones movie, decides that it will in fact suck.
It's survival. Better to hate and say "I told you so" than give up your time, hopes, and heart only to POSSIBLY have it crushed like when Phantom Menace came out. I get it. 100%.
That said, I'd rather live my life with a little hope and wonder than PROTECT myself by saying everything is going to be shit... just so hey, odds are that at least I'll be surprised a few times. Even if the shit still smells like shit, only not as bad as that other shit. What a way to live life.
It's survival. But the facts are... we know next to nothing about the story. We know next to nothing about the CONTEXT of those scenes. We've seen about 30 seconds of Ford's acting in this flick. We don't know shit about the Shia character.
I know it's a mute point to bring up hear at AICN TBs, but for once, take a risk and have a little faith. There's nothing more chicken shit, at least in my eyes, to just say "Fuck it, it's going to suck." Especially based off of one teaser trailer. You're no better than any person who loved the trailer. You're no more knowledgeable about film because you say a movie made by three rich guys is heartless, a sell out, and is going to suck. In the end, you're the sad soul who doesn't just let go and take a chance. If that same trailer had debuted when we were all a little younger, I'd bet the reaction would be through the roof with excitement and prepubescent orgasms of delight. I'd bet we'd be going to school the next day screaming, "Did you see that they're making a new Indiana Jones movie!!!" It's too much to ask to look at movies and life that way again at our age. At least for many of you. But have a LITTLE FUCKING FAITH... even if the movie ends up being a fuck up, at least you could say that you gave it a fair chance. Instead of declaring it a failure based off of 80 seconds or whatever of quick footage.
Fact is, thank God it's a sequel to the Indiana Jones trilogy with the original producer, director, and actors. Thank God Brett Ratner isn't doing a hack job so the studio can cash in. Thank God it's not a "reboot" with frickin' Chris Evans in the role as Indiana Jones. No... instead we've got Spielberg, Ford, John Williams, and yes, Lucas. Bash all you want on him, and he deserves it somewhat, but he was a huge factor in the success of the original trilogy. He's not directing this, thankfully. And if you think he's somehow telling Steven Fucking Spielberg what to do directing-wise, you honestly don't know the mentality of a major director, nor do you understand the role of a creative producer.
You want to really have some balls? Stop looking at every single detail that comes out online. Hell, grow some and don't even watch the damn trailers to come. That way you go in with zero negative OR positive attitudes besides maybe the excitement of seeing another Indy movie. THAT WOULD BE BALLS OUT. Not standing on a podium and declaring why this movie will suck based on your preconceived "observations". That's the easy way out.
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version to watch it all the time.
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sorry guys but indy is fucking gonna smack around the dark knight at the box office . all you comic geeks can quote me on that . people want the good ole days back, not the dark and gloomy superhero shit .its getting tired ...and this from a guy who likes the new bats movies .
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I think I need to have a good long look in the mirror and re-evaluate my geekiness.
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"I WANT to be hurt!"
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the hookers, they has one.
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...it's that most of them can't write or spell for shit and come across like absolute fucking morons. Seriously, I haven't been witness to a larger group of mongoloids since they shut down the local frat boy campus of Delta Gamma Rapeher. And arguing with them is like arguing with a retarded kid. Sure, you can do it, but really, where does it get you? Now don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against those with legitimate and well argued criticisms, whether I personally happen to agree with them or not, or those who just aren't excited and say as much, but the pure haters and posers spewing their ill-written bile really are just massive fucking tools, and in most cases are just doing what they can to stir shit up and get their five seconds of talkback infamy. Because let's face it, for most of them that's probably the most they can hope for from their so called lives. "I pissed off total strangers on teh internets, I am so fucking hardcore right now!" Yeah, whatever dickweed. Great, now I'm a hater hater. You see what you've done? DO YOU SEE WHAT YOU'VE DONE! DAMN YOU! DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!!
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Feb 14, 2008 10:45:05 PM CST
Rat Fink, why cant jesus, the bible and aliens occupy...
by jimmyjoe redsky
... the same universe?
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...I think I killed the thread. Come on monkeys, dance! I'm bored and I have nowhere better to be! Dance I say!
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Who needs Bob when you have the old Indy back.
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screw you guys who dont have standards for movies. You're right, I dont enjoy myself when I watch a movie, I enjoy myself when I watch a GOOD or GREAT movie. I also dont think names a great movie make every time. There are few names I trust anymore. Spielberg lost some luster to me after Transformers. Lucas, I dont even want to watch hi s home movies after he murdered the OT with rereleases and then the prequels, ugh, kill me now. So yes, they buy SOME credit with me, but thats it. The trailer lookd like bad. It looked cheesy. and there is a difference between Indy having a little humor and ALMOST BREAKING THE FOURTH WALL by looking directly into the camera to deliver a punchline. Mutt also looks bad. and whats up with Cates haircut again?
and making it sci fi is BS. Stick with the mythology, thats what Indy is about. If i see an actual alien, dead or alive, this movie will be dead to me. Deader to me than T3.
However I am sure it will make a great ride at Disneyland for everyone super pumped on this trailer to go on and pay 70 bucks to do it.
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I really need not type a thing after a beautiful, succinct tirade like that.
But, I've said it before in talkback, and I'll always bring it up. I MISS cinema as it was, this magical and unknowable gift. We knew the names of the stars and directors but knew nothing of the machinery unless we were students of film.
The best example of the lack of pre-release knowledge we had, how well with very little effort we could walk into a theater with no preconceived notions about a film, is when I saw Raiders for the first time when I was nine.
I knew that Lucas and Spielberg were doing *something* together, but that was about it. While my stepmom and sister shopped Fairlaine Mall, my Dad took me to the theater in the mall to see Raiders. It was a complete surprise. It was all new. I had NO knowledge of it, and I could soak it in and live through it with wide, fresh eyes.
Flash forward to the prequels, when we knew every beat before the film was released thanks to the oversaturated marketing blitzkrieg. Hell, even buying the damned soundtrack wasn't safe. Reading the track list reminded me of the scene in Groundhog Day when Bill Murray went over the cliff with the van.
READ: Qui-gon's Death.
"Well, he might be okay..."
READ: Qui-gon's funeral
"No. No, he's gone now."
I was doing very well with this one. The trailer reveals very little about the plot. I managed to not see a crystal skull until today when a coworker showed me a bit of comic book cover art. Blast! Now I have a crystal skull in my head.
I agree with the positives in this talkback. Why hate? I simply don't understand it.
That said, reading this much about the unrewarded anticipation preceding the prequels made me realize something. My favorite Star Wars moment in the past ten years was seeing that first Phantom Menace trailer for the first time. It was like fantasizing for 16 years about the girl of your dreams and then finally seeing a picture of her. She's beautiful! She's everything you hoped for! Then, you move in with her. The film came out. And you discover that, while she's pretty, she can't act, is annoyingly goofy, is only sometimes very cool, and is otherwise generally forhead-slap-inducing.
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Fan reaction aside, Ford and Allen look incredible and should make Indy IV a winner. Absence of Slocombe and Burtt hopefully will be compensated by Kahn's editing, as the trailer is cut loose and episodic. The composited car chase inserts hark back to "Last Crusade"...was hoping for less of a 'virtual studio'/'prequel' vibe. Otherwise looks great, especially the leads as well as LaBeouf, Blanchett and Winstone. Maybe there's a connection between Abner Ravenwood's "death" and the alien visitors...allusions to CE3K perhaps.
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Feb 14, 2008 11:06:04 PM CST
i think "the haters" hate these movies for a very simple reason.
by jimmyjoe redsky
... as they (the haters) age and change in life they realize one day that their favorite movie franchises havent aged or changed along with them - and they long for the same gut reactions they had to them when they were kids - thats the real point - KIDS - all these movies (star wars, Indy) were made for kids - or people that are kids at heart (i.e. dont question every slightly illogical or unrealistic plot point) believe it or not, theyre were people that hated star wars in 1977, and others that hated "Raiders" in 1981 - look at the star wars prequels, theyre no sillier or less cool than the original trilogy - at their core, theyre really the same kind of movies with the same hooks and appeal - they have countless fans that are the same age we were in 1977, 80 and 83 - the thing of it is, all the original fans grew up - theres a disconnect occurring in that a lot of fans remember loving these movies as kids, but cant figure out why they dont like them now - its not because they suddenly completely suck, if the sw prequels were seen by these same "disillusioned fans" back then (early 1980s) theyd love them - they wouldnt get hung up on "stiff dialogue" or too many "digital effects" - the average 12 year old fan doesnt - they eat it up - thats the intended audience - kids - the same argument applies to Indy's movies - maybe the kids in this case are older - but still - these are adventures for kids and people that easily suspend their disbelief - i know im going to get bashed for suggesting this, but im sure some will agree with me
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The trailer has a nice vibe to it, but that "I thought it was closer" quip ... ouch ... it's a cool line, but the problem is that there shouldn't be a line there at all. It feels like it should be an emoted reaction, not a spoken line. It's as if in Raiders he'd paused and said "I'm too tired to fight this guy with the sword".
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one9deuce, I'm with Mohammed on this one: Indy isn't talking to the audience with his "Damn, I thought that was closer" line. It was one of those shocked, shaking your head in confusion at your mistake and talking to yourself moments. I'd venture a guess that it's realistic that the commies would be just as shocked at his sudden arrival. He was swinging from above into a covered jeep. They were driving along and, out of nowhere, someone comes flying ass first into their jeep through the window. Anyone who thinks they'd have the presence of mind to immediately jump him isn't being realistic. I think that scene could be edited better, and I'm assuming it will be, but I don't think it's nearly as bad as some of have been saying.
As for the script, while it's true that Spielberg loved the Darabont script and Lucas canned it, that doesn't mean Spielberg doesn't love the current script. The point was that they all had to agree that the script was great and worth making. That's why it has taken a decade to get this movie made. There were scripts that Lucas liked that Speilberg and/or Ford didn't so those didn't get made either.
Also, for people worrying about this being a Lucas story and that it's going to hell in a handbasket like the prequels ... I don't believe the STORY is from Lucas. Lucas' primary contribution was the McGuffin itself ... and I'm pretty sure that McGuffin was in the Darabont script that Spielberg loved too. -
Feb 14, 2008 11:17:01 PM CST
redkamel, the decision to give this a sci fi hook...
by jimmyjoe redsky
... is a smart and insightful one on Lucas and Spielbergs parts - in keeping with the period this takes place in (1950s) they decided to inject some sci fi because ufos, aliens and cheesy sci fi movies were part of the zeitgeist of that time - it was the time of flying saucers being widely reported, b-movies and scifi comics (about flying saucers and aliens) and the fear communism - i for one am excited to see this, and a big reason is the sci fi/aliens element - should be cool
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Stunning twist.
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I'm going from memory here, but from what I recall Lucas didn't take that stand late in the process, with Spielberg and Ford suddenly folding and doing the next script that came along. Lucas said it was either that MacGuffin or he didn't want to do it pretty early in the process. It was after that they all went through several scripts and stories centered around that MacGuffin that they couldn't agree on, including the Darabont script. The one they filmed is the one that they all finally agreed on after many years of trial and error.
Also, it should be kept in mind that the MacGuffin and the story are not the same thing. If they were the same thing, every story or film ever made about the holy grail would essentially be an exact replica of Last Crusade. In reality, we have tons of Grail stories that are nothing like Last Crusade, ranging from King Arthur to MacGyver. Lucas was firm on the MacGuffin, not the story. That's a pretty big difference. -
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Is there any chance that it's Sean Connery's? Or is he for sure not even cameoing in the movie?
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Look I expect there to be alot of CG effects in Transformers they aren't real and it's based on a cartoon and same goes with spidey. But the latest trailer for Indy looks alot like the end of Die Hard 4 like he's become a super human which will lose the older audience. I liked it when Indy was more human and also hes 60+. This new Indy is a long ways from Raiders. I will watch it of course but from the looks of the first trailer I wasnt impressed I was dissapointed. Of course for those it thrilled this is no put down if you enjoy it good for you. I'm a fan of Raiders, Temple of Doom was good and Last Crusade was ok... and I would love to see Harrison Ford make a comeback but the new trailer didnt grab me up until the part with the hat it was ok how could you really fail. but with the one liners and the music overlay it went downhill for me.. Hopefully the next trailer will show the story a bit more.
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I'm guessing 500 domestic, 1,150 worldwide.
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if nobody's going to talk about hookers or getting fingered, i suppose i have nothing else to contribute. ps - mo' was right, my hubs came home with flowers! a bloody miracle! bless his gun-totin' heart. night, gents!
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Get that, people. Teaser. Condemning the film based on thirty seconds of footage shows immaturity.
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... spent so much time and energy (and create such long repeated posts) to make the point that they "dont like this, dont like the film makers anymore, this is going to suck"... if your sentiments are true, youd make your point once and split - why hang around - youre not going to change any ones mind to your way of thinking - just like i couldnt change yours to my way of thinking - why get so worked up - its the heated exchanges in here that keep you and a few others going - not any honest interest in this movie - you obviously have no desire to this movie (have said as much) and have no faith in the film makers and no longer trust them (said that too) - so your only interest in repeatedly posting in this particular talkback is to argue... with people who will never agree with you... hence making all of your typing a waste of time - are you secretly one of the writers whose script was rejected by Lucas?.. why so angry?
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Just as this will be a great film. That's the impression I get after watching the trailer 6 times.
Oh, and for Industry and any other PT bashers: your own opinion is fine to state, you're welcome to it. But to say things like:"pretending these films aren't universally reviled..." is complete bollocks.
All 3 PT films ended up in the top 25 of all time, and TPM and ROTS are in the top 10. They were all given moderate to positive reviews by the critics, and ROTS was in particular praised by critics saying "two thumbs up" and I believe "It's better than the original Star Wars" from the New York Times.
You can have your own opinions, but TONS of people like Lucas, like the PT, and are up for this film.
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and wouldn't work. Clooney would only play Indy whereas The Ford IS Jones.
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... for the windshield crash - and im sure there are more than one with just a reaction and no lines - dont be surprised if that scene changes between now and may - these guys tweek ad edit right up to the delivery date - remember the funny shackled arms on vader in the rots trailer? - that shot was replaced - i like the line - made me laugh - but youre right, it would still be as funny without it - maybe funnier
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I love Star Wars. It is the biggest franchise in movie history. The original film is the most influential movie ever. It's sequel is near cinematic perfection. Jedi, while flawed, was satisfying. Unfortunately, w/ the Prequels, Lucas had no leverage and little "wiggle-room". There were limitations to what he could express thematically. Gone was the innovation and inpiration of the OT. It was replaced w/ monotony, redundancy, and overkill. Episode I has the best teaser ever & Darth Maul, but little else. Clones was pretty, but only slightly better. Sith was good, but hardly the PT's redeemer. Citizen Kane couldn't salvage the uber-dissapointment that was Menace. Yet with all that said, the storyline of the PT was intriguing. In retrospect, it added depth to the most familiar storylines of Episodes IV-VI.
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If Indy had just sheepishly grinned (like Last Crusade when the fireplace turns to the radio room) at the two Ruskies, before elbowing them, rather than give the one liner, it would work better.
Still, this teaser is promising.
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Harrison Ford still kicks ass, kind of like Bruce Willis and Sylvest...well, kind of like Bruce Willis in Die Hard, they play their characters too perfectly, the only thing upsetting about Ford still being able to do this, at least judging by the trailer, is that they should have done more Indy movies in between! But no, spielberg had some other less memorable projects to waste his time on...and Lucas, had to do three kiddy versions of Star Wars lessening our chances of ever seeing Ford play another role he was perfect for: Han Solo
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All of you you didn't like it can leave now.
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would've been great.....a few years ago. Now we'll never see Han Solo again...
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In any case, I've watched this teaser a dozen times now and it really seems like it will be a mix of Last Crusade and Temple of Doom (with a nod to Raiders a la the warehouse scene).
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... with that hairdo - am i crazy?
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You know, going back and looking at the clip and line again, I found myself imagining it as an outtake of a stunt that almost went wrong - with Ford then just going right ahead with the rest of the punch sequence after his startled statement.
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I always check new stuff there.... including this Indy.
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I mean john mcclane doesn't wear his trademark hairs anymore, it's like Supes with the S or Batman without a costume. Indy's back !
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Whether Lucas is an idiot, or David Koepp a ho-hum writer, the Indy movies are all about Spielberg's directorial touch. Spielberg's camera discovers as Indy discovers. And judging from the trailer, it seems Spielberg's Chaplin-esque action sequences are all still there. As for the alien angle,I don't think it's so much of a stretch from Holy Arks, the Wrath of God, zombie children, witchcraft, the Holy Grail, and an immortal Knight from Camelot. To me, the Roswell idea plays perfect with the past film's themes of government cover-ups and Spielbeg's legacy of alien themed films. Should be a great old school night at the cinerama...
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... I aint interested. Period.
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...comes from Sam Fuller's 1951 Korean war flick "The Steel Helmet", where the cigar-chewing U.S. Soldier (who to me seemed like a blueprint for Nick Fury) befriends an orphaned Korean boy he nicknames "Short Round"?
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(Youtube.com/dukesthadeal) I directed the "Southside" music video. It's EXTREMELY low budget but I think it turned out okay.
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http://img220.imageshack.us/im g220/3825/cgipants1la6.jpg Apparently domestic audiences can't bear the sight of guns pointed at people. Who makes these rules?
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Feb 15, 2008 2:00:52 AM CST
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by kirbymanly
... the jeep footage looks like rear projection?" Seriously, it looks like SP and GL are making good on their wird that this thing is a late 50's sci-fi throw-back
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Spielberg pulls out of CRYSTAL SKULL - sez Shia's not doing enough to save Darfur.
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in black and white, and use that shitty stop motion animation they used for the At At's in ESB.
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Kudos to leobloom - that made me laugh out loud, which is hard. Second, krack, I'm guessing this "alteration" is only for the domestic trailers. Here's to hoping at least. I actually hear they go quite brutal in this one, though not Temple of Doom brutal.
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BLEST has it totally right. If TPM blew as much as everyone on these TB's say it did how did CLONES make $300+ million or SITH $350+million? The Matrix sequels (for example) didn't even come close to that and the first one was supposedly the greatest thing ever.
TPM and CLONES both nabbed 60%+ on rotten toms. Not stellar but hardly Aeon Flux or National Treasure territory. SITH won the People's Choice award for '05 (tough competition too with BATMAN and KONG that year).
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Oh yeah!
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Okay, that was one of the dumbest things I've read on here lately.
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Riding coat-tails, yes. But each of the 5 times I saw it in theaters, the audience cheered at least twice during the film (pod race and Maul Dual). I can't think of another recent film that moved collective audiences to cheer that way.
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'I thought that was closer' scene...line works, delivery of line works (as in it's funny), but having the baddys sit there and watch Indy say it and not do anything - come on! Would the driver of the truck in Raiders have waited to let Indy quip? No, no and no. This type of thing is what will bring this in as another Crusade comedy adventure. Also, after delivering the line it looks like Harrison suddenly remembers he's playing Indy the way he snaps into action and elbows the guy. Bad vibes about this kinda thing taking down the film. Everything aside from that segment looks fantastic!
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ITs alright and is about what I expected. However, I still have huge doubts about this movie and this trailer aint allaying them.
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it was going to change the OT. He did it because the technology was right for him to do it. He was already successful. That part didn't matter. The PT was popular because Lucas was back directing, and there had been no new SW for 10 or so years. No shit it was gonna make money.
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Maybe as well as linking to Close Encounters, Indy IV is linked with Transformers universe? Perhaps this is a set up for Indy 5 where SHIA (as Indy mark II) will fight HUGE FUCKING ROBOTS, with the maguffin' being the ALLSPARK.
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... the effects industry wants to go forward not backward - practicals, special make up, miniatures and mattes are still here and still very effective - cg fx arent the bane of movies as so many believe - a bad cg effect is no worse than bad puppets/stop motion/make up... bad fx are just bad fx - people hate cgi because its cool to hate it - a hand puppet isnt anymore real than a well done cg character (although, puppets have the advantage of being on set and really occupying the space) - but both incarnations require the same degree of suspension of disbelief - none of it is real to begin with - it looks "fake" or "cg" because it is fake - real lions cant talk - gollum wouldve sucked as a midget in a mask - yes, the old yoda puppet is cool, but its nice seeing him walk around and fight - 1933 kong is timeless, but cg kong looked pretty amazing - a cg cave troll looks better than a stop motion cave troll (and i love stop motion) - having said all this, i think it was lame for Spielberg to cgi-out the guns from the fbi agents in E.T. - and as far as the sw prequels go, it seems some people will not accept the fact (or possibility) that a lot of people liked them - and went back for more - no one was tricked into seeing these more than once - they did well because they had an audience - that largely approved (i.e. liked them)
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It wasn't "riding on the coattails". It wasn't like they just decided to do it half assed like some Die Hard 12 or whatever.
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... its silly to think otherwise - but they still succeeded - there was plenty of time for word of mouth to effect their individual successes - it was made clear very early (first week of release for each) that a lot of people didnt like them - critics and movie goers alike - they were torn apart by a lot of critics and viewers - yet the movies still killed at the box office - because even more people liked them - i did - this could be a reflection on the fact that they had a built in audience, or that the majority of fans are forgiving to a fault and easy to please, or that movie audiences in general have weakening standards, or all the above, or some of the above - but i didnt feel tricked into liking them - theyre flawed movies, but so was the OT - i said it before, these are very elaborate big budget movies for KIDS - kids made them successful, and will continue to do so
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...do you think there might be a scene where ET shows up at Area 51 and sticks his huge finger up Marion's asshole? While the aliens from Close Encounters film it (digitally of course, they have been mindraped by Lucas)? I hope so.
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It's fucking indianna jones movie. and it looks great!!
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... "rode on the coat tails" of "Star Wars" (the first movie) - including ESB and ROTJ - so what? - this proves what? - that most, if not all, scifi/fantasy movies after "Star Wars" rode those same coat tails - even Ridley Scott admitted that he had no interest in directing "Alien" until he saw "Star Wars" - James Cameron would not have made "Terminator" - before he started directing, Cameron designed all the ships for "Battle Beyond the Stars" (Corman's star wars) - seeing star wars got him to stop driving trucks and pursue film making - he rode those coat tails too, one could argue
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here we are (some of us) waxing on about this movie and that movie and why one is better than another - trying to be kinda serious and make a point - then someone like 69DUDE chimes in with such brilliant insight and flare - bravo, man - thanks for reminding me that ANYONE with a pulse can visit this website and be heard - your name says it all
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...His big tent pole films have been weak since, god, I don't know, ET? Jurassic Park was boring for me even as a kid, but others loved it, so I'll let it slide. But his more "serious" work has been getting better and better and better, and his Chicago 7 flick, with that possible cast, sounds so much better than another Cash Cow entry. I'd like to see him working on shit like that more often. But I guess he enjoys all his explosions and toys and bombastic music too much.
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... only if they're all snorting coke off of hookers asses!
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Who? Top. Men.
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Goodbye, Dr. Jones.
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Talks in her sleep.
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Feb 15, 2008 4:31:08 AM CST
I can't believe we have people defending the prequels
by industrykiller!
I really thought those folks had gone the way of the neanderthal, but alas, they just act like them. Seriously what kind of drone do you have to be to continue to apologize for films that horrendous?
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It appears Germany has declared war on the Jones boys.
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back in its lead sealed coffin and dump it at the bottom of the ocean. It was absolute dogshit. skywalkerfamily, I know you are a drooling fanboy, but those 3 films were a horrendous misfire and I guarantee you that the ony reason they made money is because they were "Star Wars". They are the epitomy of "riding on coattails". To think anything other is just fucking stupid.
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I came here to save you. Oh yeah, and who's gonna come here to save you, Junior?
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It tells me that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try reading books instead of burning them!
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Let my armies be the rocks and the trees and the birds in the sky...
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Seriously, no film quote, that's just disgusting. I'm done.
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Thanks for the links to the comparison pics, interesting stuff. So, I wonder how much it costs to get ILM to CGI erase stuff just for a trailer...probably more than the budget of most indie flicks. Well, you know, except these Indy flicks.
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The trailer had the elements necessary but they were integrated in a strange way. For a few nanoseconds there with the Indy flying on his whip, things looked great but then it went into camp CRUSADE territory, the trailer seemed to lack menace, the occult aspects seemed shrouded, there was a lack of grit, we wanted to see Indy riding a horse or playing the explorer, instead we got shots of him riding a truck with others, Cat Blanchett in a very CGI/80s sequence trying to run him off a cliff etc - I remember watching the TEMPLE OF DOOM trailer and it was all quick cuts and the foreboding John Williams Indy music, worked more effective than here, it built up to something, unlike this trailer. I have a theory concerning the Indy flicks, the more people/sidekicks he is surrounded with, the weaker the film and this looks like he has 3 or 4 running around with him - the best Indy flick will always be RAIDERS cause hes working alone, riding alone, fighting alone, etc -the tone of the trailer indicated a LAST CRUSADE tone, which is what I was afraid of. I wanted the original bloodied, gritty Indy of RAIDERS with more emphasis on the occult elements. I hope I am wrong in my assesment and the movie kicks ass but so far I havent seen anything that indicates we have another RAIDERS.
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Crusade was good, but not as good as the first 2.
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None of them were, Sith at best was mediocre, and was frankly not enough of a payoff for the fucking investment of nearly 9 hours of your life to reach that point. It was light years ahead of AOTC.
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TEMPLE OF DOOM was a bolder film that CRUSADE and had an excellent villain, it was dark, kinetic, rousing, it wasnt perfect and had flaws (i.e. raft falling out of plane hitting mountain, then waterfall etc/monkeys brains sequence) but it was a great serial adventure overall, unlike the LAST CRUSADE which seemed like a lightweight remake of RAIDERS with campy sequences featuring Nazis crashing their planes into tunnels, numerous Nazis getting shot by Indy's one bullit, etc - it also lacked gravitas and the occult elements (which are Indy's bread and butter) were missing; the action sequences were lame (i.e. rat infested sewers getting burnt, James Bondish boat chase in Venice etc) and the film had a terrible, unmemorable villain in the shape of Julian Glover and was anticlimactic (the Templar Cup sequence) - I liked the opening of CRUSADE with River Phoenix though but didnt like how supporting characters (Sallah, Marcus) were treated as bumbling idiots. Another thing I missed about CRUSADE was the Indy-Boss fight - RAIDERS had it (the plane sequence with the Nazi thug) and DOOM had it (the bearded Kali Thug) - CRUSADE had not such sequence.
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The haters on here whinging about the wise-crack before the punching of the bad guys - seriously, have you ever seen an Indy movie? Go back and rewatch. The movies are full of cartoon style moments - its part of the fun.
Raiders - the shared giggle before punching the guy out the truck
Temple of Doom - Short Round kicking one bad guy who then falls into the three behind him and they all go down like dominos
Last Crusade - Indy shoots one bullet which goes through three or four bad guys and takes them all out
I mean, what are you expecting here? Realism? cos this is Indiana Jones! I have no problems with wise-cracking and gags providing the pacing is good and the excitement through the roof.
I watched TOD again last night and the sheer pacing and editing of that movie is a lesson to anyone wanting to make an adventure movie - it is just stupendously thrilling to watch.
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I enjoyed all three, but Temple is my least favorite basically because of Kate Kapshaw. She's the Jar Jar of the Indiana series. Other than that it was a great movie with some really dark elements. Crusade's mcguffin was a little too similar to Raider's, but if they were going to bring back Nazis then there were going to be thematic similarities (I certainly didn't mind the Nazis since they are perfect villains). It added more humor, which seems to be most people's complaints but judging by how humorless some of the people are on these boards I don't think most people think that's a weakness. In fact, I think the humor is Crusade's strength. Lots of memorable lines from "I suddenly remembered my Charlemagne" to "He chose poorly." The humor was classic 1940's, and as I've said before reminded me of the old Bob Hope and Bing Crosby road movies.
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"screw you guys who dont have standards for movies. You're right, I dont enjoy myself when I watch a movie, I enjoy myself when I watch a GOOD or GREAT movie."
No sweat, chief, we know all about what makes a GOOD or GREAT movie in your estimation. You said as much in your earlier post: handsome jackets and cool hairdos.
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to justify the nearly 9 hours of my fucking life it cost getting through the Prequels.
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with an attitude like that, could he be..... The return of Memories-of-cock?
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Feb 15, 2008 6:49:37 AM CST
Geez! You naysayers are fuckin' Geeks! Indy will rock!
by itcameinthemail
Like any one of you asswipes can do better than Spielberg? Are you naysayers really not going to see this flick? Really? REALLY?? RRREEEAAALLLYYY? pffft. Just face the mirror and realize sooner, rather than later, that you're nothing more than needy, attention seeking looooosers! Take a swig of some Black Sleep of Cali Cola you morons. Watch the flick first before you armchair criticize. It's really that simple.
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At the risk of being ridiculed, I'm going to side with the naysayers. My hope is that this movie will rule...Raiders is quite possibly the best action movie of all time. With that said, this trailer's done nothing for me...it's a little too over-produced and the dialogue seems a bit forced.
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Really didn't like the whip-swinging. It just didn't feel right somehow. I'm really scared that the PS3 Crystal Skull will be better than the movie. Gah.
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Because I took the time to write it.
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Raiders a close but different second. Let me get back to you on Crusade because I barely remember what happened in it.
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1) George Lucas
2) Shia LeBeouf
3) A script that Spielberg and Ford were not enthused about -
1) Steven Spielberg
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Now that Bourne's over.
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In other words, Indy don't swallow.
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Hey folks, remember this is a TEASER trailer. There's still months of post production work to clean up effects. Lucas is known for tinkering with effects right up to the release date, and ILM is so state-of-the-art that I doubt they'll let any shoddy work slip by. To echo someone else's opinion, I'll take good GCI over matte lines anyday.
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"Give him a ... cwanbehwy juice."
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Overproduced effects, forced dialog ... where have we seen this before (cough .. the Star Wars prequels ... cough).
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in Sexy Beast. Talk about an actor changing his appearance from film to film.
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Come on guys, the second Indy shot the saber evil showing off dude in Raiders, he killed 50 years of serious adventure and it was replaced by comic overtones ie audience doesn't want anymore to take the movie seriously and the hero better have a laugh with them, or else...
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... is that it's not a cure-all. It's not salt that you should necessarily sprinkle into everything you make. It's just a particular technique that has pro's and con's like any other movie-making technique. Remember in the 80's when 3-D was the taste of the day and suddenly every movie serial HAD to have a 3-D entry in the series? (Preferably the THIRD in the series?)
I love the OT and I love the original Indy films because they were fine examples of a particular filmmaking craft. Yes, I knew they used miniatures. DUH! I wasn't thinking the whole time, "Man, this looks so fake. Why can't they actually go into outer space and film dog fights with REAL space ships?" I was taken away by those films. Remember when the tank falls over the cliff in Last Crusade? Sweet Jesus, that looks fake if you really look at it. And for that matter, so does King Kong in the original King Kong film. And while we're at it, Kermit the Frog doesn't look like a real frog. Oh no. I guess Jim Henson was really limited by the technology of the day.
But these films take you somewhere and they exhibit a particular craft. I wouldn't want Kermit replaced by a real frog, or a CGI frog or whatever. I want to see pupeteers do an awesome job at what they do. I wish to God that Lucas had stuck with the ILM techniques of the OT for the PT. I wish that they would limit themselves in the new Indy to the methods and styles of the original Indies. It would make the films into a coherent sequence.
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Just watched this in HD. Spielberg is a top quality director, isn't he? He knows what he's doing, doesn't he? So I am assuming that after he has seen the same trailer we've just seen, he will be making some drastic changes to the movie. Firstly, he will undoubtedly hire a stuntman who is at least of similar age and build to Harrison Ford - instead of the skinny teenager he used in the whip-swinging scene who sticks out a mile. Then, of course he needs to re-do those ultra-fake rear-projection/greenscreen shots in the car chase. He will realise that CGI doesn''t fit in with this movie - and cut these shots out as the movie will undoubtedly benefit. Of course, he will obviously remove those lame attempts at humour with the gormless 'baddies' allowing Indy time to say his punchlines before he hits them. And just as obviously, he needs to reshoot Ford so that he can deliver his lines properly this time. And lastly, but most importantly, the script needs a complete rewrite, the entire movie needs to be reshot from scratch, and the release date postponed till May 2009. Spielberg IS going to do this, right?
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Someone already mentioned Marion knocking someone out with a pan in the first movie. If a similar thing happens in this film expect people to complain that it's not in keeping with the tone of the series.
Wolf, I agree that there is some sort of mystique about practical effects that you just don't get with CGI. Even when they look fake they still look impressive because somewhere in the back of your mind you realize that someone went through a lot of trouble to create what's on screen. Ebert once said that they should never try and improve the effects of the Indiana Jones series because as they become dated over the years it just further allies them with the old serials. In other words, even when the effects are unrealistic, they still maintain the tone of the genre. Spielberg has said he is trying to rely on practical effects as much as possible. I hope this is the case and that what CGI he uses is necessary. This is only a preview, after all. -
Still not going to see it even after the CGI cover up, exposed story? It's killing me I've got to see this thing.
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let it go dude. move on to other things. honestly. life's too short. get a hobby.
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I know what you're saying. I just watched A New Hope again recently ( I'm an old fogey that saw SW opening day ), and winced at the obvious digital "improvements". CGI is a tool for the fx team to utilise, not a end-all-be-all. I think Peter Jackson used hanging miniatures, mattes, forced perspective and digital to create the Rings trilogy, so as the eye is never always aware of the effect work. I'll always enjoy Harryhausen, and Hitchcock's obvious rear-projections don't distract from the story. I think possibly the best and most overlooked use of CGI is in Zodiac. I didn't realise until I saw a Cinefex article just how much Fincher had to recreate of '70s San Fransisco.
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And George Lucas is the Michael Corleone Kiss of Death in Havana to any project he touched since the abortion of TPM and beyond.
The alien angle with Lucas involved just SCREAMS Jar-Jar level stupidity instead of "Close Encounters" Genius. I just don't want my childhood raped again. I feel like I'm in the Shawshank storage room, and Lucas/Boggs has just said "Honey. Hush.". And then I wake up screaming. -
Thats funny stuff..
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...not sure why all the hate. A great teaser, the only thing missing was a proper shot/dialogue from Marian (KA- still lovely, I'd hop on) but I appreciate that they will be saving that for the full trailer. Loved the rear projection for the car chase, a real retro feel (and yes, yes- it may just be incomplete effects). The action and stunts look fluid, Ford looks, acts and speaks like Jones but with more of a world weariness- I was really worried about this, because in the last few films I have seen Ford in he can barely speak let alone cut the mustard as an action hero. I love Ark and Doom- I really enjoy Crusade, a really good family movie with good action and humor, and one of the few films where Spielberg is actually outshone by the stars of the movie (yes Jaws had amazing performances which enhanced the genius of that movie).
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The bad CGI doesnt bother me as much as Shia Lebuef does!
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the brett ratner of screenwriting. what great films have come out of spielberg/koepp pairing? the lost world? war of the world? spielberg insistence to keep hiring this hack to write his blockbusters is already a sign of senility of spielberg's part. you guys will be well off lower your expectation a bit.
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Heres a little something my wife told me last night after seeing the trailer at The Spiderwick Chronicles:
"Anticipation is the root of all Dissapointment."
Truth be told, I LOVE Indy, and have been waiting for this movie for a very long time.
Just like everyone else here, I want this movie to rule. None of us want to feel the disapointment of the prequels ever again.
I think a lot of people here are trying to shield themselves from disapointment, and I totally understand that. But to say "This movie will suck" after seeing 45 seconds of footage is kind of sad.
I have faith in Spielberg above everyone else involved in this film. It seems that a lot of people don't like Last Crusade, but if this movie is on par with that movie (which blows away all "Indy-Wannabees" like National Treasure, Tomb Raider and Mummys) I will still be happy.
Indy is supposed to be serial-matinee, popcorn munching, edge of your seat FUN. Thats what I see so far.
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Looks like we're going to get an Indy film that actually DELIVERS on the promise of adventure. After sitting through the slapdash setpieces of Raiders, the kid-fest of Temple and snoozer history lesson that was Last Crusade, looks like we'll finally get some real action. Though with Spielberg at the helm, I'd have to doubt it. Has he made ONE movie that wasn't pedantic nonsense?
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So you TB'ers love it or hate it. Great. Who woulda thunk it?! Who can judge based on 30 seconds of footage. Lets get some substance in this TB and break some shit down. So Abner Ravenwood appears in a oouple of shots; 1) the back of indie's boat/car on the cliff 2) being dragged down the steps by India as the Mayan's chase them. Who is in agreement that this film will mirror the story arc of "Last Crusdade" in that i think they are mirroring LAST CRUSADE in that the mcguffin will be to stop the russians from getting the crystal skulls (as they contain a major power), along the way Indy will realize the russians have Ravenwood and that they have him for his knowledge of the Ark. The Russians want to couple the power of the skulls and the Ark. And that's what brings them to Roswell...to get the Ark. It is clear that Kate Blanchett is in the Roswell Warehouse. Which leads me to believe that that sequence is part of Act 3. The conclusion of which will have the Crystal Skulls and the Ark being coupled in some fashion. Lets get some speculation going folks. No more of this I liked it or I hated it crap. Where does that get us.
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So you TB'ers love it or hate it. Great. Who woulda thunk it?! Who can judge based on 30 seconds of footage. Lets get some substance in this TB and break some shit down. So Abner Ravenwood appears in a oouple of shots; 1) the back of indy's boat/car on the cliff 2) being dragged down the steps by Indy as the Mayan's chase them. Who is in agreement that this film will mirror the story arc of "Last Crusdade" in that the mcguffin will be to stop the russians from getting the crystal skulls (as they contain a major power), along the way Indy will realize the Russians have Ravenwood and that they have him for his knowledge of the Ark. The Russians want to couple the power of the skulls and the Ark. And that's what brings them to Roswell...to get the Ark. It is clear that Kate Blanchett is in the Roswell warehouse. Which leads me to believe that that sequence is part of Act 3. The conclusion of which will have the Crystal Skulls and the Ark being coupled in some fashion. Lets get some speculation going folks. No more of this I liked it or I hated it crap. Where does that get us.
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but Mark Hamil should've gotten Shia's role as young fonzie. (18-1)
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Is getting my money. And their trailer didn't have anything to do with 'see how DIFFERENT' the Joker is, in my opinion. It did show that they were keeping the Joker in the same tone as the Batman Begins movie.Crystal Skull will be the second of the two movies I go and see.
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Yeah, IF it's GOOD CGI, not crap CGI. Otherwise, I'm all for the low-tech of snowspeeders on Hoth. It worked for me then, it's good enough now. Nothing takes me out of a picture like CGI that is clearly a computer-rendered substitute of whatever is supposed to be in the frame, and makes the people in the foreground look like they're not really there, which they aren't.
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I think this trailer was fun. Exactly what I would want for it. Some nice action showcased and the indy humor intact. What you have to realize is a script can only bring you so far, the interactions between characters will show the merit. I just love the bickering, however we have a couple more trailers to go and I am looking forward to this film immensely!
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he will now forever be known as "that guy in Indy IV."
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"slapdash set pieces of Raiders?" Are you kidding? It's only the greatest action movie ever. And it's supposed to be like an old serial adventure.
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I enjoyed the hell out of seeing Indy in a new trailer as well.
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in vehemence and volume as badly as "flames on Optmus" and those heinous robot designs did for TINO!. Especially the metal vagina face of Megatron.
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you are the one who loves the Phantom Menace so that makes whatever you say a moot point.
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trailer?
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trailer?
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See, that's the difference between you and me. I can freely admit my like, or dislike, of whatever Lucas produces and not mewl about it in a talkback. YOU, on the other hand, will stand on line in the rain for twelve hours subsisting on Surge and Dunkaroos to see the Phantom Menace, soil your grunders over it, and then hop on AICN to bash it because you so desperately want to fit in! I know what makes a good movie, my friend. It's about time that Lucas woke up and started making movies that had some decent effects in them! If you can't see that, then you're as blind as you are ignorant! Of course, if you want to talk moot points, bud, let's examine the fact that you'll spend the next 100 or so days whining about Indy IV, then shell out your Pabst money to see it opening NIGHT!!!
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I hate the Prequels! I hate the new Indy teaser! I hate everything! You know why? Because I'm cool. Look at me...I'm a TB'er!!
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i can't use the link Mori gave in the other Indy article b/c our wonderful Bank has blocked that site (for some reason).
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i did not wait in line to see Phantom Menace. I hated it so much the 1 and only time I saw it so I never bothered with the rest of them. I freely admit that you are a moron
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by Boney Moronie Feb 8th, 2008
08:58:35 AM
It WAS the dumbest thing ever written on AICN. Until you posted, that is! Go back to that dungeon you call a home and soak in the shabby puppets and model work of the INFERIOR OT!!! Lucas whips you like a two-bit brood mare and you take it! WHU-TASH!!!! Feel the sting!"
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Feb 15, 2008 12:13:25 PM CST
The Wolf at the Door, its also a question of money...
by jimmyjoe redsky
... not only is cgi better (in some areas, i.e. compositing and creature animation) its cheaper - cheaper than hiring an army of model makers, set builders, puppeteers, animatronics operators, extras, etc. - seriously, movies like the rings trilogy and star wars could not be made now without it - even Indy - like i said before, the real problem here is a disconnect between some people and their first exposures to movies that were fx-heavy - you knew back when you were kids that the stuff was fake, it didnt look any better - the difference now is your quicker to point it out internally - your suspension of disbelief has waned - i love Harryhausen too, i watch his Sinbad movies regularly (my nephew loves them) - his cyclops is classic and beautifully done - but its alwas been glaringly obvious to me how it was done - even when i was 8 yrs old - but i still loved it - it could not have been done any other way - well, a guy in a suit maybe - but i preferred animation - back then there were similar arguments over whats more effective/real/less fake, a guy in a monster suit or a stop motion puppet
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Are you up to your old tricks again? Pay her no attention, Boney, Kloipy is just a sad, sad person.
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did you get home from school early? Or did you mom let you off from your grounding?
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Feb 15, 2008 12:19:13 PM CST
i think im in a minority that doesnt say this enough, but...
by jimmyjoe redsky
... i like the digital tweeks done to the sw ot - except for greedo shooting first, bad idea - i like the dewbacks, the rontos, the banthas, the sarlac, even jabba - yeah, he looked pretty lame in the first cg attempt - but it was cool having an extra jabba scene - start throwing stones... now!
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idiot...
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Kloipy and his gang tend to try and gang up on the person who shares thier own opinion. You see, it takes 6-7 of them to even get heard.
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Feb 15, 2008 12:24:08 PM CST
where it only takes 1 glovedone/braff to make fun of the dead
by kloipy
and get banned 3 times in a week
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Boney destroyed you in this talkback. You really should go back to a dead story (not Renfro or Legder). Maybe the Bond TB. At least there, I won't have to worry about you getting spanked so hard
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Tingles up the spine. Spielberg can do this!.....(although i despised LAST CRUSADE even as a 14 year old..)
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"As surely as Anakin Skywalker points the way into the future of "Star Wars," so does "The Phantom Menace" raise the curtain on this new freedom for filmmakers. And it's a lot of fun. The film has correctly been given the PG rating; it's suitable for younger viewers and doesn't depend on violence for its effects. As for the bad rap about the characters--hey, I've seen space operas that put their emphasis on human personalities and relationships. They're called "Star Trek" movies. Give me transparent underwater cities and vast hollow senatorial spheres any day." -Roger Ebert on TPM. Domestic gross: $430 mil (5th highest grossing film in history.)
"No screen fantasy-adventure in recent memory has the showmanship of Clones' last 45 minutes." -USA Today. Domestic gross: $310 mil (22nd highest gross, beating the 1st and 3rd of the Pirates films, all but 1 of the Harry Potter films, and ALL of the Matrix trilogy.)
" The final episode of George Lucas' cinematic epic Star Wars ends the six-movie series on such a high note that one feels like yelling out, 'Rewind!'"-Hollywood Reporter"Revenge of the Sith is a brilliant consummation to a promise made a long time ago, far, far away, in a galaxy called 1977."- Washington Post
"This is by far the best film in the more recent trilogy, and also the best of the four episodes Mr. Lucas has directed. That's right: it's better than Star Wars." -New York Times
Domestic gross: 380 mil (8th highest of all time)As already stated, winner of The Peoples Choice award for both Best Drama and Best movie of 2005. (also won an MTV award for Best Villian) The Point? You can hate the PT, you can point out it's shortcomings all you like and have your own opinions but these are the FACTS: The films were moderately to positively reviewed by many top critics (especially SITH) and were watched and loved by Millions of movie-fans. And those fans had to see the films over and over to get that kind of box office. And no, not just SW geeks. That would account for maybe 200-250 mil if they just went to see them over and over. But no, 310, 380, and 430 mil means that REGULAR folks saw the films, and more than once.
So bash the PT if you like, that's your right. But don't ANY of you try to come off like the films are "reviled", "hated", "agreed upon as trash", etc... by ANYBODY but internet fanboys who like to whine abou the SW movies that didn't get made. Most people do like them, to varying degrees. That's a FACT.
For me it's: 1.) ESB 2.) ANH/ROTS (tie) 3.) AOTC 4.)TPM 5.) the last 45 min. of ROTJ.
Oh, and Indy 4 looks great to me.
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It's a marathon, not a sprint. At least you saw the Indy trailer...
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http://www.joblo.com/hd-dvd-a-goner
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Feb 15, 2008 12:45:51 PM CST
Is there any argument against the fact that the prequels sucked?
by antoniusbloc
One good thing came from the prequels: Darth Maul. Other than that, what was good about them? It made money because it's the perfect product to market in the film industry especially when Lucas decided to sell out and gear it towards the kiddies. Someone made the point in an ealier post a long time ago in talkback far away, for much of the time through the three films, there is no real drama, no real conflict driving the story. And the writing sucked so bad it made Liam Neeson look like a bad actor.
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and checking out a matinee.
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You know they'll need something, right? And it cant be snakes, insects or rats. Perhaps Shia has a phobia of meerkats?
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Let's remember that they made this film to be fun. I don't mean we should excuse anything, I mean we should not treat it like it's meant to be "the second coming". I do not believe that they will ever make one as good as "Raiders" ever again. I just want it to be entertaining. I can't believe how many people are upset about the "windshield scene". It's no worse than what was in the first three. My only hope is they make two more. So we can have a trilogy set in the 50's.
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it's wombats
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....retard.
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I think the animal in the "creep factor" scene in this one will be bats in a cave. If they even have one, this time.
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How many ways can people defend or crush other people's taste in movies?
...cant... turn... away.
BTW EVERYBODY out there has a few movies that they will defend to the end of earth - For God's sake, man. Everybody has different tastes, so get over yourselves. If everyone liked a movie, or a fuckin' trailer, there wouldn't be anything to discuss, would there.
Show of hands... how many people writing in this talkback have EVER made a movie?
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but you need to stop following me around, it's really creepy
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There's nothing like a man who knows all there is to know about Wampas, Michael Gross and Christianity. You're a keeper, cupcake. Now go make my dinner!
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are we clear?
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hetrosexual online "friendship",gingersnap.
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Feb 15, 2008 1:24:57 PM CST
Hey look, this is AICN: we're all a little gay here.
by rickey henderson
or at least sexually confused.
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No man spends THIS much time in a Lucas-oriented talkback unless he's pumped some serious dough into the Lucasfilm coffers. You play the role of the to-cool-for-the-room fan who refused to shell out for the prequels, but you and I KNOW that you watched them, dirtied yourself with joy and then wallowed in your feculence!!! Now go kiss your stuffed Jar-Jar night night!
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Overkill on the bull whip sound effect and that horrible digital green screen background effects that last reared it ugly head in the last 3 Star Wars film, all equal up to...well, I'm not quite sure. But it does feel a little like potential disappointment.
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... but let me be crystal clear about what I think about CGI: it's one TYPE of filmmaking, and it can work great or it can suck depending on how it's used by the filmmaker.
Again, is CGI better than a puppet? It's kind of a non-question, like asking if basil is better than butterscotch. Well (you'd ask in return) what is it you're cooking? And are you a good chef?
So is a CGI Yoda better than a muppet Yoda? I can't say one is "better" than the other. I bought that Yoda existed, that he was a real, "flesh and blood" creature in Empire and Jedi. I wasn't fooled as a child into thinking he REALLY existed, any more than I'd imagine kids today are fooled by CGI. But it establishes a character that you invest in and creates a universe that you love BECAUSE OF, and not inspite of, the FX standards used at the time.
In a way, it's WORSE switching out Yoda for a CGI rendering in the PT than replacing an actor mid-series, a la Val Kilmer in Batman Forever, because at least in that case everyone acknowledges something has changed and you just roll with it. Lucas' approach seemed to have been "no, no, no, no ... Yoda was basically always this way, I just didn't have the technology to replace Frank Oz and his puppeteers with a computer back in the day." The "Special Editions", in my opinion, really spit on the work of the his team, including the writers, for all the story content he changed.
And that sort of disrespect for his own universe is found throughout the PT (and SE's). Midichlorians. Leia never knowing her mother. Qui Gon Quinn training Obi Wan. Midichlorians. Han shooting first. Midichlorians.
Anyways ... back to the subject, I really, really, REALLY hope I don't walk out of the Cystal Skull thinking to myself, "Yawn, CGI thrills, whoopee." -
Well put Boney. See Kloipy (or as I like to call him, Sloppy) prides himself as being the all-knowing moral compass on these TB's. He's a pathetic little turd that want attention..
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In fact I haven't even watched the any of the OT since I watched Phantom Menace. I might have seen 3 minutes of ROS in a Circuit City once, but other than that I decided not to waste my time on them after the utter shit of PM. To tell you the truth, the PM made me hate Star Wars altogether and I really have no desire to spend any more time on them. I would have been really excited for this Indy movie had they used Darabont's script but Lucas had to be a whiny little bitch and now we will get lots of 'jokes' from Shia that aren't funny. If you like the taste of Lucas's cock that's fine, but I'm not swallowing that shit
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I just thought it was fucked up that you glovedone/braffed thought it was cool to make fun of Heath Leger and Brad Renfro in their Obit TB, because that's the slimy piece of shit you are
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you are the one who constantly posts stupid pointless shit like "owned" or "your gay" or "I farted", no one likes you at all and yet you keep coming back day after day to talk to me and jarv and pillow and abom, because you are a dumb asshole. You have nothing better to do. You never add anything to the conversation besides thinking that you are cool. When in all reality you are a lame, unfunny, douche bag
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does that mean you're not going to toss my salad tonight?. "OWNED", "you're gay" "seacrest OUT"
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I farted
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is the fact that I never started talking to you. You came into a tb that I was in with other people and started saying that we got "owned" by you and that we were "gay". I never wanted to talk to you, but like always you keep fucking looking for me. You are just an annoying little fucking troll
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I bless you with my wisdom and devine intervention because you say something to/about me that only your bone-smuggling, online social netowork laps up like a pool of jizz. Be careful...you keep running you pretty little mouth off, I might not let you respond to me anymore.
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I can't fucking stand you. You are an idiot. So do me a favor, stop posting to me, stop following me around, stop have sex-dreams about me, stop every stupid little dumbshit thing you do, because I don't give a fuck about you
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That last one made my day! I'm not following you, sprinkles. Just responding to you when you say something to/about me. Here's what I'll allow you to do: Stop posting shit about me when I'm logged off. It's just cowardly. K, Peaches?
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Why does it have to be gerbils..?
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Fucking hilarious!
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Those are some well thought of arguments there. Are you sure you guys are in the right place? You didn't call anyone a fucktard or anything.
I feel that CGI has it's place, I just regret that it means the old ways seem to have been completely dropped. I love the way the go-motion used on say, the Taun Tauns in ESB looked. I actually think the limits of the FX in the original SW helped Lucas tell a better story. It just wasn't possible to dilute the screen with unnecessary BS. And no-one, throughout the entire prequel trilogy said "NO" to Lucas.
What surprised me most about this trailer, and I think one of the things that has upset the fans, is that we already heard that Spielberg wanted to shy away from CGI as much as possible. But the trailer has a lot of digital looking stuff in it. It still looks cool, but I just hope the story is there to back it up this time.
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This really says it all..
KLOIPY
by The Real MiraJeff Feb 1st, 2008
06:10:58 PM
Dude, honestly, you're beginning to get on my nerves a little. If you've got a bone to pick, gimme a call or shoot me an email and we can work it out. But jumping on every single comment of mine is getting old. I know the Boll fight was hilarious and all, but it's time to move on, buddy. You're not bringing anything to the discussion. And no I didn't throw up during The Mist, but I wanted to after that ham-fisted, dreary, non-sensical ending with that music that sounded more appropriate for Crash. A little melodramatic if you ask me.
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mirajeff
by Kloipy Feb 1st, 2008
08:00:47 PM
dude you felt the need to call out one of us, you should have known better. that shit isn't cool
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by The Real MiraJeff Feb 1st, 2008
08:54:58 PM
you're missing the bigger picture. this isn't about us vs. them. i am one of you. we are all part of the larger aicn community. it's ok to call each other out if we have a dissenting opinion. harry and i aren't going to agree all the time, just like you and i aren't going to agree all the time. sometimes you just gotta agree to disagree. but there's gotta be a line. and i feel like whatever i say lately, at least with regard to the wolf man and ratner in particular, you've just been blowing out of proportion and being a dick for the sake of it. i don't make personal attacks on anyone in the talkbacks because i don't know anyone in the talkbacks. maybe it's easy because you can type my name into youtube and watch me get my asthmatic ass kicked six ways til sunday but spend 5 minutes in a ring with a pissed off german bulldog and you'd be puking too. i'm all for having a laugh at myself and taking the piss, but doesn't that shit get old. let's call it water under the bridge and move on, shall we? on that note, GO PATS!
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Feb 15, 2008 2:28:36 PM CST
Indiana Jones is an alien - or something else that is shocking!?
by col. gerbil
Spotted something!? Apart from te shitty specs on the Roswell wall/crate/fire exit. Anyone else notice the alien carved head on the indy site? At ze top? Anyone? Anyone at all? I've only read about it here (http://www.britfilms.tv/index.php?id=4754) but they don't seem to have any ideas of what it could point to? Don't know if anyone else has spotted this but anybody think they have an idea?
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That might be the most pathetic post in support of a straw man argument i have ever read, just on principle alone. The nostolgia factor for the Star Wars Prequels was so high at the time of their release even I mustered a bit of support for the first two prequels, seeing each one multiple times int heaters. Now that I'm a little older and a little less biased you cannot watch those movies and tout them as quality with a straight face and only in the blackest of hells is Revenge of the Sith a better film than Return of the Jedi. The utter bastardization of the Jedi alone makes that beyond possibility and that is just one of TONS of unforgivable flaws. Instead of defending the film with intangible bullshit like public enjoyment or reviews from critics who lost touch with genre filmmaking many many moons ago, why don't you defend the film on it's merits. Why? Because it is fundamentally impossible. You'd have a better chance of disproving gravity. Those three films are so rife with HORRIBLE acting, HORRIBLE, writing, HORRIBLE directing, and HORRIBLE special effects that to this day I have never EVER run into an argument in defense of those films that I could not systematically deconstruct. So go ahead, tell me what about Return of the Sith is genuinely worth liking, and I'll tear it apart before your very eyes. From the terribly directed Obi Wan/Anakin duel to how Lucas negates Anakins entire fall to the darkside in his pathetic narrative, there isn't an argument that exists for that piece of shit movie that holds water.
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FUCK THE PATRIOTS! THE DOWNFALL HAS BEGUN!...oh yeah, GO BILLS!
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he didn't eve come up with that, he just reposted something MiraJeff said to me in an attempt to in his words "own" me
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that was a copy of a psot a few weeks ago, directed at Kloipy. I hate the PATS!
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Sold your cheap ass to MiraJeff and Boney.
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What is your take on a remake of THE BOOGENS? The world needs more boogens.
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when are the going to remake Critters!?
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The Prequel Trilogy is horrible on every level, although I think THE PHANTOM MENACE has the raw material to have been a masterpiece but it ended up just..........well not very good. The box-office for those films was most certainly propped up by Star Wars apologists seeing them 10 or 12 times. And some outstanding marketing of course: "The last STAR WARS movie to ever be in theaters" gimmick worked really well for REVENGE OF THE SITH. My best friend hates (HATES!) fantasy and sci-fi films and even he thought he should see EPISODE III because "it will be the last one ever". Don't worry though IndustryKiller!, years now after their release there are very few of the apologists left in these talkbacks. Some perspective on just how bad the prequels were has finally kicked in for many. This INDIANA JONES trailer was pretty bad. If Indy had been running full speed on top of storage crates and whipped onto a light, swung toward a jeep, missed, and then gone backwards with momentum and crashed into a truck going at least 25mph at the age of 35 to 40 I would have yelled BULLSHIT! Doing it at 65? That scene will look ridiculous, I just hope there aren't more like it. I just kept seeing a LARA CROFT type movie in that trailer and not an INDIANA JONES movie.
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Now you can say that you found the PT to have: "HORRIBLE acting, HORRIBLE, writing, HORRIBLE directing, and HORRIBLE special effects" and the like, and that's fine.
Your opinion, good for you.
But when you try to pass off YOUR opinions as the opinions of EVERYBODY else, you fail.
Especially when critics from Time, The Washington Post, USA Today, The New York Times, The Chicago Tribune,(and many more) and hundreds of millions of top 10 box-office dollars and The People's Choice awards (voted on BY THE PEOPLE, after the film had been out for almost a year) all would argue otherwise.
Again, your own opinion is fine, but just because 4 or 5 other TBer's agree, doesn't mean you guys can pass off the drivel that you're some majority on public perception and opinion of the StarWars prequels.
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I don't hate the Prequels that George Lucas thought would be a good idea. I don't hate them because the man himself said 'You probably wouldn't want to see them' a long time ago in an interview far, far, away with Newsweek. He said the backstory is there, but it's not important. Star Wars was just an amazing experiment in 'Will they like old movies with new movie special effects'. The answer was a resounding yes. Star Wars, ESB, and Return of the Jedi were amazing because a team of guys had to foamcore and rubber skin a LOT OF SHIT. They had to mold and shape and design EVERYTHING. Star Wars was bad ass because everything was real. The prequels fell flat because you could tell there was no WORK invovled...In this instance, you could tell that the spaceships were, for the most part NOT REALLY shaped or even faked using practical special effects. Digital is good when you can't tell, and shitty when you can...I did like the third of the three prequels, and really would have preferred to have it be three different movies with the second being the first and the third being the second, and whatever computer animated thing being the third! That would REALLY bridge the movies, and not have to rely on George Lucas's idea of where to begin the story.Indiana Jones, on the other hand was a collaborative effort. The fact that Kathleen Kennedy and Spielberg and Lucas and Ford are back...shit, you had me at Kathleen Kennedy, but it looks good. Good enough for me. It looks like Shia LeBouf (Who I really did think was a girl for the longest time...you know like Lisa Bonet?) is into the part, and he made Transformers fun for me. I liked Transformers because I'm not eternally invested in film as my own soul...The problem is that they may rely on digital effects rather than practical, and everything seems fakey when compared to the old films.To anyone citing Roger Ebert's criticism of film as proof of the film's worth...he LOVED...LOVED Independence Day...he also wrote a shitty movie himself. So...Box Office is not equal to quality. It's nice when the things I like make money, but that doesn't prove its worth.I like the trailer, and love Indy, so...Though I wish it were still Nazis, this is going to be seen by me in a theater...Right after I see Dark Knight.
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Shia Leboeuf in it.
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I thought this was Indiana Jones not X-files? This is scary stuff.
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Considering you've proven yourself an idiot. And it's not my opnion. Hayden Christensen is a bad actor, especially in those films. Every time he has to inflect even a modicum of emotion, his voice cracks and he becomes a petulent child, and if you even attempt to say that the petulent child angle fits the character of Anakin then we can stop this right now because you'll have proven yourself an idiot. An example of the bad directing is the Windu/Palpatine fight, in which three Jedi Masters die mysteriously without moving to defend themselves in the least, and the rest of the fight is merely close ups and lights waving back and forth with no diacernible choreography. An example of the bad writing is when Anakin, now Vader, finds out that Padme is dead, he screams (in one of the all time classically laughable movie moments) and forgets about it, when the whole point of him turning to the fucking dark side was that he KNEW she was going to die and therefore BRING HER BACK TO LIFE! Lucas negates his own god damn plot, pathetic as it may have been to begin with. An example of the bad special effects would be when Obi Wan is riding that ridiculous lizard in what can only be described as a glorified video game sequence. These are just few of many many flaws with this god awful film. You see how examples work BLEST? Come back when your argument gains substance.
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Okay, I'm fine if people didn't like the trailer. That's your opinion. But please, ENOUGH of trying to back up the "hater" argument by saying Spielberg and Ford didn't want to shoot this script and that the Darabont script would have been the savior.
Why? Because it's all speculative bullshit.
Fact: Darabont wrote a script that Spielberg and Ford were ready to go with (Confirmed in interviews with Lucas, Spielberg, and Ford)
Fact: Lucas didn't like the overall script of Darabont's (Confirmed by Lucas)
Fact: The Darabont script had the SAME McGuffin as far as Indy in the 50s involved with some type of possible alien mythos (Confirmed by Lucas). Lucas, as the producer, gave writers the McGuffin and said, "See what you can do with it". That's what a creative producer does.
Those are the facts. There are no interviews that back up the "Spielberg and Ford hated this script and didn't want to do it". That's speculative BS for "haters" to try and back up their argument with "factoids". If they hated the script, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE DONE IT.
And let's not forget, as far as Ford wanting to go ahead with the Darabont draft. Is the Ford of these last ten years or so REALLY the type of person we'd trust to pick the right Indy 4 script??? We're talking about the guy that made rejected a role in TRAFFIC (later went to Michael Douglas) and instead made "K-19". We're talking about the guy that made "Hollywood Homicide". And not to mention the guy that made FIREWALL!!
None of us have read the Darabont script. We don't know if it's the shit or... shit. We know Ford liked it... see the above. We know Spielberg like it, so there's SOME weight to it. But there's nothing that says they hated or were forced to shoot this current script. -
Take a look at the truck Indy crashes into. The roof looks like a tarp and the window is nothing but the cheap-ass glass of the time surrounded by a simple metal frame. You nitpicking twits make it sound like he got slammed into the shatter-proof windshield and solid roof of a Volvo or Lexus.
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Now that Wall Mart has joined the exclusively Blue-Ray Disc fold does it really seem like HD DVD is going to win? No, I didn't think so.
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it states that Ford and SPielberg weren't on board with Lucas's idea until he absolutely refused to do it any other way. It's right there in the article. I can't wait to see how you'll twist it to mean something else.
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While I hear what people are saying about Kaminsky's work in science-fiction, I definitely feel that the Terminal and Munich were both very lush cinematic presentations. For me, the biggest drawback is that Indy's action looks to have gotten more cartoony. Since when can Indy whip himself between moving vehicles? In his youth, his action was always deliberate and careful. He knew he was doing a stunt, and he knew it was dangerous. He just also knew it was worth the risk. Here, he's flying around like Super Mario at twice the age. Even Spiderman is more careful and aware of his fragility. Action doesn't have to be XTREME to be fun, guys.
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I'm 23 years old, and I can tell you that 1989, specifically, was the year that I started to love movies. Two movies in particular were responsible for this: Batman and Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. Now, to be getting a new Batman movie and a new Indy adventure in 2008 is some beautiful gift from the movie gods. We've waited almost 20 years for this movie. TWENTY YEARS! Anyone who didn't get goosebumps when the Raiders march kicked in and Indy picks up his hat needs to ask themselves why the hell they go to the movies at all. I go because there's a 5 year old in me that still gets exicted when the lights go down and I know I'm about to see something larger than life. This trailer has made me giddy. The haters need to stop being so damn cyincal. There's a fucking war going on, folks are losing their homes, some dude just shot a bunch of people in Illinois, and there are people here acting like CGI pants is something worth arguing over. We're 3 months away from a new Indiana Jones movie. This is a good thing.
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was less silly than this looks to be. Sahara looks less silly, too. I never felt Indy was silly before. This seems like the "Die Another Day" to Raiders' "From Russia with Love." In the words of George Lucas himself by way of C3PO, "Oh dear oh dear."
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If we were three months from Fantastic Four 3, would those of us with high expectations still be haters? I haven't been waiting for a new Indy film - I thought it was basically over the day he became immortal, if indeed he did. It was a good ending, with him and his friends riding into the sunset.
Why not make something new? This is what's being released this summer instead of Steven Spielberg's Interstellar, and if I have an opinion about it, I don't think it makes me a hater. Some might say it makes me picky, and others might say it makes me tasteful, and that conversation is what this website is all about. There's no need to be defensive, sir - and when you say we've waited all this time maybe you have but not I), I'd be curious to know why? -
I take back everything I said. Holy Jesus, I've never been so excited! Forget about Indy - Lucasfilm have posted a teaser for A NEW STAR WARS movie on starwars.com! You read that right - A NEW STAR WARS movie - and IT ROCKS! The trailer is absolutely SHIT HOT! The movie will OWN OUR ASSES! Here's the link:http://www.starwars.com/episode-i/release/trailer/teaser.htmlHoly mother - I'm so jazzed by this trailer I can hardly breathe! Click the 420x216 button - it's the only size available.
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...of the link. Sorry about that folks. This is just too good too miss. Enjoy...
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Thanks for the QT
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Jimmy, you really hit the nail on the head with your comments about why the haters hate the prequels. Very well said.
Industry, I don't know who is impressed by anything you have to say, but I feel sorrier for them then I do for you. In the words of Bill Hicks, "Eat some 'shrooms and squeegy your third fucking eye!" Better yet, "try enjoying the life you've chosen."
For any hater out there, read "The Making of Star Wars" and understand where Lucas comes from as a filmmaker. Not to mention his contribution to the industry at large. He's simply the most successful independent filmmaker ever and we all need to kiss his ass for the rest of our moviegoing lives. Yes, it pretty much hinges on him, time will demonstrate this.
And shame on all you haters for your simple lack of artistic insight. You only drive home the theory of "The Dumbing Down of America." Be smarter than all that. No, Lucas is not a great writer, yet he tells a great story. How can that be? Uh, because art isn't about perfection. It's about transcendence. We're touched by these stories despite all their faults. That's an accomplishment. Something you haters are likely unfamiliar with, thus your incessant need to have the final word. You have anger, you have hate, you're consumed by the dark side! Muwahahahaha!
Don't deny your excitement. Relish in it. Indy will rock.
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How a movie is reviewed at the time of it's release is almost completely irrelevant (and the prequels weren't really reviewed that favorably anyway). It's how it's looked on in 10 or 20 plus years. The euphoria of NEW STAR WARS FILMS is fading fast. The Prequel Trilogy is being judged purely on it's own merits now, and it's obvious that they aren't very good. CITIZEN KANE wasn't hailed as the all-time masterpiece in it's initial run. It took time. Do you really believe people will wait all night in line to see a PREQUEL TRILOGY SPECIAL EDITION re-release in 2019? It won't happen.
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You're argument is so weak that I almost didn't reply to your post. Almost. Who gives a shit what someone has done for their career? Why would I take that into account when I'm watching a film? So SUPERNOVA is a great film because Francis Ford Coppola also directed THE GODFATHER? HOOK is a masterpiece because Steven Spielberg also directed JAWS? BRINGING OUT THE DEAD is a classic because Martin Scorcese also directed RAGING BULL? George Lucas WAS brilliant. An absolutely gifted and brilliant filmmaker. But he isn't that guy anymore.
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good lord, what an ASSPICKLED dipshit. Anyone who demand talkback attention by disrespecting the dead in an AICN obit deserves banning, and worse.
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Don't like the look of it, don't fucking see it. Have some faith. Can you not just enjoy rather than pick apart every frame? If you really don't want to hand over $10, download it. At least then you'll fuck off from here for a bit. '07 burnt us with shitty films following great trailers but hold the judgement. This is Indiana Jones. That WAS Indiana Jones. Show some fucking respect.
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Sorry I missed ya up there. Congrats on the new job.
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I realized for the first time a few months back that Indy comes out on the DAY I am getting married. I thought at first i'd still be able to sneak in a midnight screening on the 21st (alright, Indy'll be at my bachelor party!), but then relaized it won't be showing where I'm getting married. DAMN! DAMN! DAMN!
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Look, you're missing the point.
I didn't say that the PT has great writing, or direction, or acting. I didn't say that you were WRONG to have those opinions.
What I took issue with, and still due, is the assumption that those points mean the PT is somehow "universally despised" when time and time again...the opposite is true.
Yeah, a review that's fresh will be different than one that has some retrospective behind it, but the point stands. People reviewed these films moderately to positively, and people flocked to them in droves. You may not agree with them, and you don't have to.
But you can't claim that your opinions (some of which are shared by me, actually)are somehow undisputed fact for EVERYBODY out there. (and that's where my problem was.)
Everybody out there had a chance to cast their vote, through reviews and through buying a ticket, and most were found to have had a damn good time at the movies.
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spiders woulda made sense, but if you look at pictures of one of the new KOTCS Lego sets, the one with the Pyramid ruins has some alien skeletons and GIANT ANTS.
I could be wrong. But misfires aren't unknown to things involving Luca$.
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I hope you mean that shitty movie with James Spader.If not,nevermind.But you are right about the PT.
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years maybe less the prequel trilogy will be considered aweesome! with a capital a, cause every day at my stupid bookstore job i hear at least 1 or more kids mention how awesome star wars is and that goes for all the films, especially the new ones. the new generations gonna burry you with your luke skywalker anikan figures all yoiu haters of the pt. but yea they were just ok, maybe even badly made but still very watchable.
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luke skywalker figures and go play with their anakins. err whatever.
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10 or 20 years won't be the measure. Liam Neeson believes of Star Wars that these are films people will watch a hundred years from now (granted we're still around). Maybe he's wrong, but I think time will vindicate Lucas and the prequels. They are modern fairy tales. Why nitpick it? And I think he's still got it even after all these years. Shit, the action sequences in the prequels just blow everything else in the past ten plus years away. I don't know what tops the battle of Geonosis. That makes AOTC worth the viewing everytime.
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you can move your wedding to another day or you can have your wedding early enough in the day so everybody can pile in a car and drive to wherever the closest place the film is screening. unless you're getting married in equatorial congo or someplace and it necessitates getting on a plane, in which case i recommend option number one.actually, a friend of ours did that. everybody went to the movies after the ceremony and the bride wore her wedding dress and everything. it was great.
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maybe they let you in for free.
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and they give a flying fuck on what you think(no offense).This is AICN TB.The Fight goes on.......forever!
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Every time I read the talkbacks on ANY movie I'm amazed at the pure hatred out at least half the posters. Seriously... I think there are people that come out and flame EVERY movie that comes out.
And it's even more amazing to see people dissect every second... CGI pants?!?!?!? WTF?
Don't people love movies just for the escapism? I watched this trailer and loved it. The wife watched this trailer and loved it. The kids flipped out for it.
Then I come here and see that half of the posters say the movie will suck. Again... WTF?
There are some seriously jaded folks on here that must be damn hard to please. Does anything make you happy????? -
Mercier. "Whip-tash!" Remember when this site had real trolls?
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... but ive worked on quite a few - and my taste never gets in the way of me doing my job - even when the work is for a movie i wouldnt pay to go see
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nice to see him return, but he has aged strangely. I didn't know Chinese people lost those eyes once they hit puberty.
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all your flirting is getting tired - is it hard typing with one hand?
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I've reread some of the posts here and realized something. I concede that the "I thought that was closer" line could be re-edited or cut in the finished film, but let's assume enough people say, "That's the bee's knees, Steve and George!" and they leave it as-is.
In Raiders, he would have emoted. Maybe just the briefest look in his eye, then fiercely dispatched the two soldiers.
In Crusade, he would have said nothing but shared a smile with the soldiers before dispatching them less fiercely, with a bit of comedy.
Now we have the full, self-aware line that reminds the audience that we're watching a movie. There's a key grip just off camera eating a sandwich.
Raiders had none of that. The correct utterance of that line, if at all, would have come afterward in a quieter moment. The comparison would be this: Imagine Indy saying the "It's not the years; it's the mileage" line in the truck by himself. Good line. Good laughs. But it would have been gag-driven instead of character-driven.
Over-analyzing much? I stand guilty as charged. But my main gripe lies with an attitude copped by the filmmakers as Crusade came out. They said things like, "These movies don't take themselves too seriously." It was a way to justify the key failings of Crusade. A good, fun movie? Yes. But it was no Raiders. It DID take itself seriously, and whether upon the first viewing or the 120th, I'm swept into that world as though it was real.
Long post, sorry...
But it reminds me of one of the trappings of sequelitis. The Raiders script was written to create this character, Indiana Jones. Harrison Ford was cast and then inhabited the character, making it indelibly his own. Gone forever, then, is the objective ability to write Indy without thinking of Ford's Indy, so we get a somewhat diluted version, the beginnings of self awareness. By the time Crusade hit with its dreadful X marks the spot moment and tensionless propeller-boat-chopping moment, it was Harrison Ford on screen instead of Indy.
C-3PO is another great example of this phenomenon. The original script wasn't written for a polite Brit. The character was a wheeling, dealing used car salesman. Anthony Daniels inhabited the character, and from then on 3PO was written to that translation instead of the original vision. So, by the time we get to Jedi, he's not saying with confidence, "Come on Artoo. We're going," but a flaming, "You're royal highness!" while his friends about to be killed. Fucking ass.
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you said - "I just regret that it means the old ways seem to have been completely dropped" - they havent been dropped - trust me - they are alive and well - thriving - some maybe in smaller degrees, but all the old ways are still used and time tested - cg fx havent gotten rid of the old ways - the pt, rings trilogy and narnia are good examples - tons of miniatures, mattes (digitally painted, but still painted), physical fx, make up fx - the only thing missing were stop motion and puppeteer controlled creatures
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there was no WORK involved in making the sw pt? - really? the concept designs alone for TPM took years - i know some guys that would vehemently disagree with you - you really dont know what youre talking about
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Sorry if you don't like people coming up with perfectly legitimate reasons not to worship the work of hacks, but somebody's got to do it, otherwise imbeciles would have their say all the time and before you know it American Idol: The Movie is the #1 grossing film of all time. You don't like it? Go to a different website, this one is for people who love film and as a result have a modicum of taste. That's how this website used to be, I don't know where you fucking apologist people came from, but you're the intruders, not me. BTW you guys throw the word "hater" around a lot, which is ironic considering that you guys are the ones who are "hating" on us with no argument whatsoever to back your point the fuck up. Noticed how not a single person here took up my argument about the prequels, not a one, but that doesn't keep them from unjustifiably yelling "hater". So I guess not only are you guys the haters, but you're also worthless hypocrites who can't justify their own point of view.
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Insightful to say the least. The same thing happened with the Pirates of the Caribbean sequels.
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Feb 15, 2008 11:16:08 PM CST
micturatingbenjamin's work and IndustryKiller's rant
by hyphenatedwords
micturatingbenjamin, I agree completely with you about your take on "no work" involved in creating what we saw in the prequels. Yes, years of preproduction went into them. Yes, an army of very talented artists (Chiang is an effing genius at the drawing board) sweated and toiled to get the AllMighty Checkmark of Lucas's approval.
The important difference and what micturatingbenjamin was talking about is the thought, skill, and effort required to translate those amazing design sketches into something tangible, like a costume a real person can wear or meters of Death Star surface for the camera to drive past. Look at The Art of Star Wars. The drawings are beautiful, but ultimately very far from what ended up in the film. They had the IDEA for 3PO's head, but they had to translate it into a real mask with electronics and mobility. Think about that McQuarrie Artoo sketch with the basic shape intact yet with the dramatic posture and multiple mechanical arms reaching about. Impossible to recreate in 1977. Darth Vader as we know and love him was an extreme labor of love, scavenging, and compromises to arrive at the costume in the film compared to the conceptual drawings. It made the films REAL.
Fast-forward to the prequels. Whatever George wants, he gets directly up on that screen. The artist kowtow and revise, revise, revise, but the digital realm allows a straight shot from paper to celluloid without the discerning filter of artisans' minds and hands interpreting those designs for the real world.
I don't consider myself an apologist. I'm certainly not a hater. I'm the first to agree with my girlfriend when she says that the prequels are dreck. I still pop them in and enjoy them, right? I *try* to. And that's the problem. With a great film, there is no try.
I thought about your deconstructing approach and tried to apply it to Empire. And there's the point again. Empire is a great film. It has strange logics and questions to be answered, but it stands up under scrutiny because it's purposefully atmospheric and tonal instead of plot-driven. Honestly, trying to explain the plot of Empire is a silly exercise. It works so well because it's truly just a piece, a very good piece. It doesn't try to explain itself away. It doesn't cannibalize Episode IV.
The prequels have such good *parts* , but for each direct hit there's a horrible wince right around the corner.
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I wrote another section to that post, dammit. The gist of which was, "IndustryKiller, good prequel points, thank you." I'm not a hater, but I'm certainly not an apologist, either. I'm the first to agree with my girlfriend when she says that the prequels are dreck. But, I still place Sith above Jedi on my ranking list
1. ESB
2. ANH
3. RotS
4. RotJ
5. PM
6. AotC
Mostly because I subscribe fully to the hallowed "50 Reasons Why Jedi Sucks" article. I still have my original copy of Universe magazine with it. The moment I first read it was a ka-pow, coming out of the wool-over-the-eyes closet moment for me. "I thought I was the only one who felt this way about Jedi..." It reminded me of the time my priest explained the word agnostic to me and I all but sent him reeling backward head over heals with a Peanuts-like, "THAT'S IT!!" -
i dont "hate" you - i disagree with you - "you" sound hateful, and very pissed off - it would be pointless to argue with you - or challenge any of your points - a few people have tried, civilly, and you just keep coming back with lines like "I don't know where you fucking apologist people came from, but you're the intruders, not me" - intruders? - nice, dont cry dude - and gems like "you guys are the ones who are "hating" on us with no argument whatsoever to back your point the fuck up" - aww, c'mon - what exactly is YOUR argument - you hated them, you hated the acting, directing etc. - i get it - but some of us didnt - and this is what grieves you the most - is the burden on me to change your opinion? - why should i even try? - youre entitled to it - this isnt an attempt, but i feel the acting, directing, writing, fx etc. are all suitable for the movies in question - its light fare, not Herzog - i didnt go into them expecting my life to be changed - i wanted to see some cool shit and star warsy action - i honestly did enjoy them, and yes... a big part of my enjoyment was due to the fact that i love that sandbox/universe - so that made me more willing to let little things slide, like the clumsy love affair - if this makes me an idiot and a contributor to the demise of quality cinema (as you would have me labeled im sure) then so be it - im a happy idiot that likes rayguns, aliens and spaceships - ive read all of your posts, its obvious youre a star wars fan - but there is no way the pt would have or could have ever lived up to your expectations - impossible - you could never have relived 1977 - no matter what the trailers promised - i wasnt fooled, why were you - i knew going in that they (the pt) wouldnt have the same impact, especially considering im not 12 anymore and ive seen and heard it all before - let go of your anger - youre pissed that EVERYONE doesnt agree with you - thats what got Anakin in trouble - too bad you werent in charge of the pt - too bad you didnt write the scripts and direct the movies - just imagine how incredible theyd be had you - it must suck knowing that so many were deprived of a pt filtered through you
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respectfully, you dont know what youre talking about either - no offense
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Doesn't sound like a scripted line--on paper it wouldn't make sense. Sounds like something Ford improvised after the painful stunt. Pretty funny.
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The old "I'll play the passive victim who, gosh darn it, just wants to have fun." routine. Sorry but it's worn out my friend. This is a web site where people come to talk passionately about film, don't act like I'm the dickhead for giving a shit even if you don't. This place was created by people who care. I think more than anything though your post is more about justifying your point of view to yourself rather than me. You wrote a long post defending your point of view without once tangibly defending your point of view. You say it's impossible to argue with me...you know that's bullshit. You haven't even tried, nor will you, and the whys and whatnots of that have more to do with you than they do with me. If you had something with legs to say, you would say it. Instead you trade argument for a dismissive attitude. Weak sauce, your 11th grade debate teacher would be ashamed. As far as the "civil" discourse you cite directed from the other side of the argument, you must be joking. Using the word "hater" alone is uncivil, let alone in a totally unjustified manner. Hate implies a random feeling of aggression without reason or justification. I've done more than explain my point of view with examples, it has nothing whatsoever to do with blind hatred, and attempting to say, without reason, that it does is not only rude but it's insulting. As far as the quality of the Prequels themselves, you seem to dismiss their quality (or lack their of) as being our fault. That expectations were too high. Well sorry but I don't live under that defeatist doctrine. Lucas had ever chance in the palm of his hand, right down to three dimensional characters and exciting events written years ago, and he whittled them down to nothing more than the rantings of a petulant child. Not only that but he did it at the expense of his OWN story, directly contradicting himself on several occasions. Expecting brilliance is always dicey, but expecting competence is an absolute must of any decent consumer, and Lucas couldn't even deliver on that. And no, I'm not at all pissed that EVERYONE doesn't agree with me, agreeing with me is irrelevant, I'm not trying to change heats and/or minds, but if you are going to stentorianly disagree, you better bring something more to the table than derision. So keep on being a happy idiot my friend, whatever helps you sleep at night.
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OwnedbyGeorge is correct; our intrepid, old hero, Jones has used the whip to swing in every single movie...and how in the hell do you even compare that to Spiderman anyway?
Guy uses a whip to swing from an obvous anchor point = guy gets mutated from a spider bite and can now shoot industrial strength loogies from his wrists that he uses to swing about the New York with no discernable anchor points?
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91 Reasons why Episode 3 sucks: http://www.chefelf.com/ starwars/ep3_1-10.php And you thought 50 reasons was bad! Trust me, any flaws Jedi might have Sith compounds on, only with Hayden Christensen, who makes Mark Hamill look like Orson Welles.
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Just wanted to make sure everyone heard. Some one clue me in (as this TB is friggin long and I can't be bothered to read to find out) how did the talk back for the trailer to the NEW Indiana Jones movie devolve into a back and forth on the SW prequels?
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a teaser like Temple of Doom had:
http://www.youtube.co m/watch?v=BR09_Zu-xP4
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Feb 16, 2008 12:44:50 AM CST
angry guy, i got a career i value more than this site
by jimmyjoe redsky
you should get one, or a hobby - you keep defending this website (in an attempt to ground your hate filled rants and general dooshy-ness) as if it were some kind of invisible algonquin round table or think tank for brilliant, passionate cineastes - yes, this is a very serious place for passionate debate, thats why we get mouth breathers playing "fuck you"-tag in here 24/7 - get a life, mr. passionate - you think i dont "care" about movies because i liked TPM? - i like other movies too, asshole - you call me a "passive victim"? - i wasnt 'victimized' by the sw pt - i just like the movies, thats all - i wasnt nostalgically "raped" in my minds prepubescent ass by them, like you were - mr. uber fan - i go to a sw movie to have fun, and ive had fun so far - you seething half pint - i get different things outta different movies - at the end of the day, theyre just movies - man you are the definition of super fan - stalker like - im a sw fan, but shit... youre a sw nut - or just a nut - like sw was some kinda sacred religious text that governed your life, and its very writer blasphemed against it - how dare he - and guess what, if you "hate" something openly and that something has fans that dont hate it - they have every right to call you a hater - dont make such heated stances on your opinion and then puss out over a label - and i sleep very well at night, "friend" - i bet you dont - id rather be a happy well rested idiot than a sleep deprived angry hate filled genius - i will refrain from countering any more of your posts - may the force be with you
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There's the piss and vinegar I was looking for! First of all I never said this was a "serious place". passionate yes, serious, sadly no. But the "passionate" still stands. You also completely missed the point on the "passive victim" statement. I meant you acted like I was the bully and YOU were the victim. What I find kind of ironic is that the vitriol I've aimed toward George Lucas, that apparently means Star Wars is my "religion", is no angrier than that you have spewed at me. As for the "hate" comment, it's unsurprising you don't acknowledge I've actually backed up my posts with examples, which you've once again refused to take me to task on. But thanks for implying I'm a genius. p.s. Using "may the force be with you" unironically is a little weird.
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When Ford and Spielberg both rejected the idea, Lucas dug in. He hired screenwriter after screenwriter to make his MacGuffin the linchpin of a new Indy story. “So this went on for 15 years,” he says. “And finally we got to a point where everybody said, ‘Look, we’re not doing that movie.’ And I said, ‘Well, look, I can’t think of another MacGuffin. This is it. This works. I know this works.’ And then we stopped. I just said, ‘O.K.,’ and that’s about the time I started Star Wars again. But then Harrison was kind of interested. And I said, ‘I won’t do it unless we can have that MacGuffin. Without the MacGuffin, I will not go near this thing.’ ”
Ford can laugh about Lucas’s obstinacy now. “He’s a stubborn sucker,” the actor says, “and he had an idea that he kept pushing into script form, and then they’d run it by me, and I’d usually rebel, and, finally, you know, one script came along that really struck me as being smart, not working too hard to give reference to the other films, but that carried on the stories we had told so far in a logical way. The character was allowed to age, and we found ourselves in a different period of time, and what I read was a great script, so I said, ‘Let’s go, let’s make this one.’ ”
The eventual shooting script bore the name David Koepp, a writer-director whose screenplay credits include War of the Worlds, Spider-Man, and the first two Jurassic Park movies, which were directed by Spielberg and leaned heavily on Lucas’s Industrial Light & Magic special-effects shop. An earlier pass, which Spielberg loved and Lucas didn’t, was written by Frank Darabont, the writer-director of The Shawshank Redemption, The Green Mile, and The Mist. I ask Lucas if each version had made use of the prize MacGuffin.
“Mmm-hmmm,” he says. “They’re all the same.”
So, to simplify it, this is the MacGuffin that every script has used for the last 15 years. Ford and Spielberg weren't on board with it at first until a great script came along. Then Ford says he signed on because of that. So THAT my friend, is what I was referring to. Any questions? Come on Industry... tell a joke. Say something funny. LOL. Just kidding. Had a little Die Hard moment of thought. Anyway, that's what I was referring to. -
Look, we're all passionate about film... thus we all have opinions. And we'll all defend those positions. I don't use the term "hater" when someone is talking about a film that we've all seen and it's clear they disliked it for whatever reason. That would be bullshit to call someone a hater because they didn't like a movie THEY SAW. And yes, it IS bullshit IndustryKiller, to call a person an apologist because they liked a movie THEY SAW.
I use the term "hater" for people that haven't seen a movie, only a few pics and 80 seconds or so of footage or what not, yet feel the need to trash on every little detail and declare that they either won't see it based on what they've seen thus far (or lack thereof), or already say and have decided for themselves that it is going to suck and the people that made the movie fucked up. THAT'S A HATER. That's the cowardly way to avoid disappointment and boost one's ego. See the fucking movie, and THEN tell us what you felt. -
The McGuffin ie; the Crystal Skull was not in the first draft "Indiana Jones and the Saucer Men from Mars" penned by Jeb Stuart back in '95. Lucas has been pushing for aliens since the project's inception but the Crystal Skulls weren't part of the plan any earlier than the second (Nathanson's) draft.
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They were 100% miscues from the start. I'll admit, I watched them numerous times in the theater because of the nostalgia factor... and that factor did blind me for those first couple weeks for each movie. Except for Revenge of the Sith. Man, when that moment when Darth/Anakin was supposed to emerge as the Vader we all knew came... I WAS PISSED. He BLEW what was supposed to be the DEFINING moment of the prequel trilogy. We get some Frankenstein-like moment and then Vader says, "B-But what about Padme.... NOOOOOO!" OH MY GOD. How did the people around Lucas keep a straight face when that daily showed up onscreen?????
And yes, I believe people are nuts when they say that Revenge of the Sith was better than NEW HOPE and JEDI.
That said, you can't fault people for liking them. You just can't fault people for enjoying a movie. It's make you look like an ass. It really does. I'm not saying that to start an argument, I'm just saying that different people and different likes and dislikes. Some people relish the good moments in those prequels, and cast aside the many bad. There's nothing wrong with that. Film is always open to interpretation. Each person will have a personal experience when watching any film. I for one, can't understand the support for KILL BILL movies. Just don't get it. But that's me.
With all due respect, and we have agreed on many things overall, it makes you no more of a film buff to like certain movies and to dislike certain movies. That's why "apologist" is a crazy stupid term. I explained MY hater term and the context in which I use it. But calling anyone an apologist because they liked a movie is just ignorant. You're missing the whole point about cinema then. -
Yes, the MacGuffin is the alien factor. But truth is, there is no article or interview that backs up what you said. We don't know that they weren't involved in the Darabont draft in some way, shape or form. Lucas stated in the Vanity Fair article that while he and Harrison were in Wyoming working on Young Indy, he had the MacGuffin right there in front of him.
Here's the excerpt from the article: “At that point I had kind of retired,” he continues. “I was raising my kids, I was running my companies. The last thing I wanted to do was go off and do another one of these things. And it stayed there for quite a while, until I was doing Young Indiana Jones, and I was actually with Harrison, shooting a little piece for it, and I was up in Wyoming, where he lives, and I came up with this MacGuffin, which was sitting there right in front of me, and I said, ‘Well, why didn’t I ever see this before?’ ”
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I thought the order of scriptwriters was Stuart - Nathanson - Darabont - Koepp. Darabont has stated the Skulls were in his draft. I thought the definition of a MacGuffin, at least in the case of Indy, is the sacred/magical object being chased? Lucas seems a tad disingenuous to suggest the Crystal Skull was always the sticking point for his collaborators when really his initial Indy VS the Flying Saucers story treatment was awful from the outset and in need of serious overhaul. This last script will have benefited from the input of other voices and that's why I have hope for it. Roll on May 22. :)
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How many times do I have to preface my posts with disclaimers describing the difference between haters and legitimate criticism? I've made it clear on several occasions why I attack haters.
I'll gladly debate the merits of the final film when it comes out, but I'm not going to waste my time and energy quibbling over the minutiae of a fucking teaser. My calling at this stage is to beat down the very imbeciles you just described.
Don't confuse the two types and make yourself out to be some sort of champion we cowards are afraid to face. If I enjoy the film when I finally see it and you don't, it'll be my pleasure to take that debate with you. -
Which is a more than apt term to describe someone who apologizes for a films numerous flaws. Look if you had fun watching the Prequels then fine, but admit that they are bad films, and admit the numerous flaws, the GAPING plot holes and bad acting etc. If you can't, then you are an apologist. The entire Transformers debate is a classic example wherein the term apologist is not only justified, but necessary. Talkbackers like myself and Superninja would go into excruciating detail about the lack of merit in that film and what was wrong with it and time after time after time we were met with the simple argument of "It's just a stupid cartoon, it doesn't have to be good it just has to have action." That is an apologist argument if there ever was one. You literally could not explain or show these people how little sense that makes. People who demand so little of any film that it couldn't possibly underwhelm under any circumstances are apologists. There is just no other way to describe them. They can't back up their point of view citing examples nor would they even try to given the futility of the task. Yet they INSIST that the film still has merit. You are free to enjoy anything you like, but don't lie to yourself about it being a guilty pleasure. If you aren't a child anymore, you should be able to recognize a bad film from a good one, not that you can't still have fun with the badness, but don't put perfume on a pig and tell me it's Marilyn Monroe.
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Fuck i could not stop laughing at that in Family Guy. So True. Every fucking movie he wants his family back.
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"Which is a more than apt term to describe someone who apologizes for a films numerous flaws." This tells me you have no life, no one likes you and well Green Lantern is better than you. Maybe you should enjoy films first then criticize them and second, people see films differently and subjectively. People don't go to movies and check off an imaginary checklist of what makes a great movie as they watch it. Some movies are technically good and well made but if you don't enjoy it, what's the point. It's like the musicians who argue how Dream Theater is a brilliant band, fine they fulfill all the 'great' qualities in musicianship, but who cares, they sound like ass to me.
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Well, it's been a nutty two days. I'd sure like to thank you all for coming. See all'a you Haters, Apologists, Assholes, Sheep, Pedants, Douchebags, Idiots and Fucktards for Trailer 2. Oh, what a glorious war that will be.
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Moto, you just proved my point exactly. George lucas, being the egoist asshole that he is, forced a macguffin on SPielberg and Ford neither were comfortable with. Both Ford and Spielberg famously wanted to make another Indy so they acquiesced to his demands. That just isn't a good sign. i'm not saying by any stretch this film will suck, in fact I think it will at least be pretty good, but it does have the potential to be the weakest Indy film. That's not me being hyperbolic, just realistic. I would rather they started with a story idea they all loved, but in typical Lucas style he just had to have his own concrete way. Believe me when I say this man, I hope the film works out, I really really do and I haven't given up all hope, but I remain justifiably skeptical of the whole affair. I'm still not on board with Lebeouf character, although if they don't make him Indy's son I'll be greatly relieved , and I don't think SPielberg has been at the top of his game when it comes to his genre films as of late. Munich was a masterpiece, War of the Worlds and Minority Report....not so much. And Lucas has gone from making homages of pulp to making cheesy rip offs of them and I thought the scene of Indy crashing through the trucka nd making that really lame remark while the two soldiers sit motionless was exactly the type of wink to the audience Lucas would lower a property to (with that said I'm waiting to see it in context). The fact of the matter is I don't need a lesser Indy film in my life to delude the property even a tad, I just assume they left well enough alone with a ride into the sunset. The trailer didn't make my not want to see the movie, but it didn't even remotely sell me on it either, I need more than simple iconography to get excited. Some people will love it simply because a guy named Harrison Ford is playing a guy named Indiana Jones and wears a fedora, I think thats pretty damn lame. If you truly love the Indiana Jones films you should demand more than that, other wise what's the fucking point other than an excuse to print money? Doc Pazuzu, I wasn't referring to you necessarily in my "hater" comments. I've read your previous post and that sounds fine. But I have legitimate reservations about this film and I've made them clear.
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I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. That is all.
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I liked the hat on the floor and that skippy old human misstep on the way to picking it up.
Wasn't Indy always more a hero as a silhouette? The real flesh and blood guy always found himself in trouble, but was always moderately skilled enough, and wasn't allowed to die (which I put down to his dad not letting him, after seeing Crusade).
But he was never full-on camp super, and never took time out from his situation to deliver quips to camera. The humour in the other Indy movies is part of the characters defence mechanism- giggling to nazis gave him a split second to react, which a sentence to camera was never going to achieve.
The humour was borne of the character and the situation and stayed in the character and, crucially, the situation. When the fireplace swung around in Crusade, the look on that German officers face when she sees two men sitting there, isnt a comedy moment to camera- it's a comedic situation with an understandable reaction.
Somebody accustomed to landing in strange spots on moving vehicles, full aware that they are in a fight, and finding himself with two other characters who are also aware they are in a fight, does not take time out to talk to camera. At least I don't think the Indiana Jones I remember would. For sure there may be a moment, but that line in the windshield of that truck seemed like a bad eternity compared to the old inspired split seconds of old.
And whilst he has swung from his whip before, wasn't it always a bit considered cumbersome and not-quite-athletic? Maybe the camera is doing too much in the trailer- but that swinging now looks positively gymnastic and weightless (booo).
It's only a trailer of course, and these things are often cut for a camp-action crowd, but from watching it I'm scared that the missteps are more in the script than in the worn and battered caharcter I used to love. -
2008 is going to is going to go down as one of the best in over 20 years for high-quality, genre-based movies.
1.) Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
2.) The Dark Knight
3.) Iron Man
4.) Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince
5.) The Mummy 3
6.) Star Trek - Now pushed back to May '09
Please add any titles that I may have missed.
And to all the haters out there complaining about actors being too old, CGI, no originality in scripts, Episode I,II,III not being as good as original trilogy, Star Wars vs Lord of the Rings, Last Crusade being too goofy, etc., etc., etc. - - - please just go out and enjoy a movie for what it is. Entertainment that's created to help people escape from the real world filled with corruption, greed, hatred, war, and perversed sex. Nowhere else but in the movies can good triumph over evil, the champion win the love of the fair damsel, and a wise-cracking, fedora-wearing scientist triumph over evil with a pistol and a whip while uncovering ancient relics that hold unbelievable power.
Stop being whiners and haters and go out to the movies and forget about the world while munching on a bucket of popcorn, some candy, and sipping on a soda. Would it kill any of you all just to have FUN! -
Hellooo!!!!
anyone there??
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That made me laugh this morning. "No offense" and "you don't know what you're talking about" can respectfully be included in the same sentence, but it sure doesn't feel that way. Respectfully dropping that in yet not illuminating your thoughts on the matter is what I find offensive.
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X-Files 2 and Hellboy 2. Yeah, I'm pretty pumped for this summer too. It looks like there will be at least one great genre film a week.
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if you want an illumination of my thoughts, just re-read your post - the one i responded to originally - judging from your pedestrian assessment of what went into creating the ot and the pt, i stand by my original response - but then, its all a matter of taste i guess
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i love the movie "Krull" (inspite of its many flaws and misfires) - but i cant sit through "Gone with the Wind" - and i hated "Cloverfield" - so im a hater too
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let's face it, The Dark Knight is the one all and sundry really wish to see. Indy IV, on the basis of this trailer, is a close second. nice one on the trailer, looks smart.
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If anyone thinks the Prequels are actually good movies, then I really think you need to evaluate what it is a 'good' movie. Of course opinions are like assholes, we all have one, but EVERY person I know thinks ANH & ESB are the class of the SW saga, and the rest of the movies only fanboys can enjoy. The reason ROTJ is OK, and the PT movies are bad is because Lucas tried to tell this dramatic/tragic tale in the B-movie style that made the OT so great. The only way the PT was going to be successful is if the drama came off like real drama, such as movies like Platoon & Schindlers List, they are truly tragic movies to watch. The PT is full of cheese and average acting, and bad dialogue that is supposed to come off as this powerful tragic tale of Anakin. The problem was I heard people laughing at those scenes that are suppose to tug at the heart, that is why you can't mix B-movie serials with dramatic tragic tales. If you like the PT movies cause they are SW, I will agree with you on that, I am a sucker for anything SW, but I am not delusional to say they are great movies, even good ones. They may be good for SW fans like us, but if you take a step back and look at these movies without our SW rose tainted glasses, they're average at best.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/companyNewsAndPR/idUSL1627196120080216
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=qNUwcsOhvVoAINTI
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and all youy bitches do is bitch.
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So, you prefer an army of CGI clones who sport armor that's not physically possible to wear (it's too small, especially the helmets) and never convincingly occupy the screen in the PT over a perfectly imperfect league of costumed stormtroopers in the OT?
My point was (going off micturatingbenjamin's post), because they never had to make a clonetrooper helmet to fit a real person, they never had to go through that filter, that one more layer of conceptualization required to take an idea on paper or a maquette or a computer model and create a genuine article, and that lack of physicality permeates the PT, sucking the life from it.
Yes, they build amazing bigatures and partial set pieces. But from my pedestrian viewpoint, the dependency on complete greenscreen backgrounds (compared to the Degobah set, for example) is less about filmmaking and more about technical animation. -
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You can bid on one of the crew hats here:
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Wish I had more $ though.
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little Shia-pets, or Star Wars prequel dvd's that have cloverfield monster legs; mini-hayden christianson's that can teleport; the kid from AI(Artificial Intellgence);Jar Jar's binkus; Ang Lee's Hulk; Tom Hanks
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If so that's absolutely ridiculous. Can people not make movies anymore?
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