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Quint wants to be friends with CHARLIE BARTLETT!!!

Published at:  Feb 12, 2008 5:57:47 AM CST

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. I’ve noticed a trend recently. A good trend. At Sundance I saw a film called THE ASSASSINATION OF A HIGH SCHOOL PRESIDENT and there was something about it that stuck out to me. I really dug it… it’s a good dark comedy, but it wasn’t the dark part that jumped out to me.

I look at SUPERBAD and I get a similar feeling.

There’s a heart to these teen comedies now, not just a shallow façade that you find with the vulgar big studio comedies or the watered down and non-threatening comedies. It’s the John Hughes formula and it’s coming back around. That makes me incredibly happy.

CHARLIE BARTLETT is, perhaps, the most John Hughes-ish movie of the few I’ve mentioned. I’m trying to lock down exactly why and I think I’ve narrowed it down a bit.

Story-wise, this is the closest to a John Hughes movie. In fact at the screening Harry leaned over to me as the credits rolled and said it’s like we just saw what Ferris Bueller did at school when he wasn’t ditching. During the movie I kept thinking of Ferris Bueller, so it made me laugh to hear someone else voice that feeling not 10 seconds after the closing credits began.

Also, it’s a great introduction for an up and coming young actor. I’m familiar with Anton Yelchin’s work mostly from the really strong Showtime series HUFF and he’s been in the business long before that (most notably in HEARTS IN ATLANTIS)… and he’s just about to get even bigger as Chekov in JJ Abrams’ STAR TREK, but I think this will be the role people look back as starting his career, just as Ferris became so closely tied with Matthew Broderick’s rise even though he had done both LADYHAWK and WARGAMES before it.

Charlie Bartlett craves popularity. Not so much in a vain way, though. He doesn’t want to be the quarterback. He doesn't want to be the bully, the rocker, the dweeb... He wants to be himself and he wants everybody to like him. He doesn’t want popularity in any particular clique, he wants an overall popularity.

Instead of making the principal character a Looney Tunes Yosemite Sam creation like Ed Rooney (not to take a shot at Bueller… Jeffrey Jones rules in that movie) the creative minds behind CHARLIE BARTLETT instead make the principal a mirror image of Bartlett himself… This is who he’ll be if life continues to beat up on him.

Robert Downey Jr. plays the principal and father to the main love interest. I mentioned earlier in the review that this film will be regarded as the first real exposure of a promising young actor… let me amend that.

What’ll be really interesting about this project is seeing how it hits right before Yelchin goes on to play a big role in Star Trek and Downey goes on to be the lead in a huge superhero movie. Downey is well known and isn’t in the same boat as Yelchin, but this is the calm before the storm that I’m sure Iron Man will create. It’s a small movie that kind of foreshadows their future roles. Yelchin has a life and energy in this performance that is different from his more internalized roles that came before.

For Downey, this is a lead in to Tony Stark. Principal Gardner is a tortured soul and much like Stark he turns to booze to cope with his fucked up life.

You can tell in his early scenes in the film that Gardner hates being seen as the enforcer of law by these kids. He started out as a popular history teacher and he craves a return to that life and popularity just as much as Bartlett craves gaining it for the first time.

What’s interesting is these guys are put against each other, even though they are kindred spirits. It makes for some real good chemistry and a unique relationship.

And Downey plays the hell out of it. Goddamn this guys knows what he’s doing. I don’t know if there’s a more natural actor working today, someone that feels unscripted in every project he does. I can’t wait to see IRON MAN.

The supporting cast is strong as well, especially the two ladies of the film: Hope Davis as Charlie’s prescription-drug addicted loopy mom and Kat Dennings (Catherine Keener’s daughter from 40 YEAR OLD VIRGIN) as Downey’s daughter and Charlie’s first love.

I know I’ve mostly talked about the more dramatic aspects to this film, but I hope you don’t get the impression that this is a flat out drama. It’s also really damn funny, it’s just not a cartoon. Quirky characters come at you left, right and center for the entire length of the film, but it stays grounded in a reality you can recognize.

It’s honest, it’s funny and it wears its heart on its sleeve. I had a great time with this movie and it gets a strong recommendation from me.

-Quint
quint@aintitcool.com







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  • Feb 12, 2008 6:11:42 AM CST

    Anton...

    by mymand316

    Was annoying as hell. Especially in the pool scene with Downey. The kid showed he was an awful, awful actor.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 6:23:34 AM CST

    This movie hasn't come out yet?

    by loonigrrl

    Seriously, I've been waiting so long for this movie to be released that I forgot I was waiting. Wasn't this supposed to have hit the theaters a year ago?

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  • Feb 12, 2008 6:31:14 AM CST

    HIGH SCHOOL / TEEN (I.E. EARLY 20's) COMEDIES...

    by greigy just wanted to say

    Is it just me or is American cinema (not America) totally obsessed by high school. There are dozens upon dozens of films from the US (some great, some not so great etc etc) about high school. I think you can count on one hand the number of films about high school in Europe. Anyone any ideas why… I know it’s a fertile ground for conflict… but God enough…

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  • Feb 12, 2008 7:03:43 AM CST

    Great review! thanx

    by waites

    This movie is coming out on FEb 22. It was supposed to come out last year the same day as Super Bad and they waited which is probably good. I have friends who have seen early screenings of it and they cannot say enough about it. They loved it. I just hope the studio gives it time to build an audience. I see it as a word of mouth type of movie so it will take time. But like I said.. my movie freak friends have seen it in New York and San Francisco and loved it at the early screenings.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 8:02:34 AM CST

    Glad to hear ya liked it Quint

    by bean_

    The trailers had me wondering whether there was anything to it or if it was just a stupid teen comedy. The R rating helped sway me too.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 8:08:35 AM CST

    it *looks* good...

    by greyspecter

    ...Loved Hope Davis in American Splendor, and Downey is spectacular in almost everything he does (Singing Detective, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang). But these movies rise and fall on 2 things: the script and the chemistry between characters. Sounds like they got it right.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 8:10:44 AM CST

    and by chemistry...

    by greyspecter

    I don't mean sexual chemistry between male and female leads, or however it shakes out. I mean are the characters fleshed out and vitalized to the point where they expand and contract into each other's lives and stories, thus creating tension and a sense of reality in relationships.

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  • it sure looked like they were making a comedy where a kid in therapy lies to his therapist and then sells prescription drugs in order to become popular at school. I'm not knocking that as a story, but it seemed like that project would have had a hard time getting greenlighted (y'know, due to the 'hey kids!' aspect)... hopefully that just means it was good enough to make it past that.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 8:18:32 AM CST

    Really? Heard it wasn't that good...

    by hextexly

    But the trailer looks fantastic, I'll be there when this thing opens.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 8:22:22 AM CST

    Hughes only wrote Drillbit Taylor

    by nice marmot

    And judging by the SuperBowl ad, it doesn't look too funny. Great comeback film Owen. Back to Hughes, seriously, what happened to the guy? Hard to believe Curlie Sue was his last film and his second to last was Uncle Buck.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 8:36:34 AM CST

    The trailer tells the whole movie in 2:27

    by triplefive

    It even shows the School Bully that hated Charlie in the beginning being all friendly with him at the end, AND it shows Charlie getting the girl. One of the worst trailers I've seen in quite awhile.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 8:57:43 AM CST

    More Mumford Than Ferris

    by juggygales1000

    I too enjoyed this film. It's much darker than Ferris Bueller, however. While Ferris is played strictly for laughs, this film is much more a drama with comedic elements. A MUCH better film to compare this to would be "Mumford". I find it hard to believe that Ferris would sell drugs. None the less, I really enjoyed this film. Downey really shines in this.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 9:06:00 AM CST

    Duh Dude Cause this place sucks

    by lonecow

    That line is the reason I will never see this film. People, and certainly not kids these days, talk like that anymore. It sounds like someone in their 30s who wanted to be cool in high school wrote the script.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 9:51:36 AM CST

    VAL KILMER IS KITT!!

    by superduper3000

    Sup guys? Any word that Val Kilmer (aka Iceman) is the new Kitt? Check it out!!


    http://tinyurl.com/2y6gnb

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  • Feb 12, 2008 10:06:40 AM CST

    I love Kat Dennings' boobs.

    by spaceman spliff

    I'm a bad man.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 10:15:08 AM CST

    Exactly, Ferris Bueller was already made

    by orionsangels

    Don't you people see this movie is forcefully created into being the next Ferris Bueller. Yet some of you fall for it and accept it. Meh

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  • Feb 12, 2008 10:15:33 AM CST

    Mike Tyson as the voice of Kitt

    by orionsangels

  • Feb 12, 2008 10:18:48 AM CST

    Node

    by burgundy82

    Have you seen it? It actually has nothing to do with Ferris, outside of the Hughes sensibilities Quint discussed. There's actually more of a Max Fischer influence, if anything.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 10:33:30 AM CST

    Carlos the Jackal

    by elecam

    Is it me or does the poster for this look like Carlos the Jackal. http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39210000/jpg/_39210004_carlos-ap-203x300.jpg

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  • Feb 12, 2008 10:57:31 AM CST

    Charlie Bartlett?

    by pk68

    I thought is was going to be Jake Busey as a serial killer again from The Frighteners...

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  • Feb 12, 2008 11:01:16 AM CST

    really fun flick

    by ianrewel

    It's on torrents everywhere. It was a really fun flick, sort of like a Junoesque vibe meets risky business, but in a good way, nothing like the crappy Girl Next Door

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  • Feb 12, 2008 11:18:05 AM CST

    Charlie Bartlett vs. Max Fischer

    by garbageman33

    The next person to mention them in the same breath is getting punched in the junk. Max was one of the most iconic characters of the late 90s. I doubt we'll be saying the same thing about Charlie Bartlett.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 11:25:09 AM CST

    The Max Fischer comparison...

    by burgundy82

    is motherfucking apt. While this film isn't nearly as quirky as anything from Anderson (what the hell is?), it's still closer to that than Ferris. Probably what it's closest to, as others have pointed out, is "Juno." It treats prescription drug use in the same "this film could conceivably be claimed by either viewpoint" way Diablo Cody treated teen preggos.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 11:28:37 AM CST

    For what it's worth...

    by burgundy82

    I interviewed director Jon Poll yesterday (press tour through Atlanta), and he said his biggest influence for Charlie was Bud Cort in "Harold and Maude."

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  • Feb 12, 2008 11:31:08 AM CST

    also saw CB last nite and

    by the podosphere

    I thought it was good as well. Kinda felt like the guy who wrote Running With Scissors took a stab at writing a Ferris Bueller movie. I didn't really think of John Hughes at all.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 11:36:58 AM CST

    I can't believe people actualy like this pile of shit.

    by screaminbrains

    The only good thing about this movie is Robert Downey. The rest of this cast was shit. It's was uninspiring,the characters were unlikeable and the story was just fucking lame. I can't remember even one funny part in the movie. No feelings for the characters. A complete waste of time. Someone from this site must be getting some nice kick backs to promote this horseshit.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 11:41:40 AM CST

    podosphere...

    by greyspecter

    that was funny. Running with stabbers

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  • Feb 12, 2008 11:43:41 AM CST

    ScreaminBrains

    by optimus122

    SUCKS COCK...did you even watch the rest of the movie or were you too hung up on Downeys cock?

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  • Feb 12, 2008 11:51:55 AM CST

    Downey WAS awesome (as always), but...

    by burgundy82

    ...his best scenes were the ones shared with Yelchin. They were great together.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 12:19:27 PM CST

    The only problemwith Charlie Bartlett...

    by mymand316

    ...was, unfortunately, Charlie Bartlett. Downey played, well, Downey, only drunk and occasionally waving a revolver. The girl who played his daughter was ridiculously hot and an okay actor to boot. The bully was over the top, but I still liked him. The ODing kid played the wimpy loner perfectly. The mother was insanely adorable in a schizo kind of way. The script was okay and the direction was competent. Nothing glaringly wrong production wise.

    Which leaves, well, Charlie. And Charlie sucks. The way he actually gets popular was ludicrous (selling drugs and then giving therapy). If they took this conceit over the top, it might have been okay, but they try and ground the movie in reality. Instead of expelling the kid, the movie's script forces the principle to let him go on two occasions. It's all really far fetch.

    Now as for the acting. Holy GOD was he bad. I wanted to break his face in at every single opportunity. When the bully kicked the crap out of him, I cheered. Hard. Ferris was the coolkid that EVERYONE wanted tohang with and you felt the exact same way. Bartlett is the cool kid solely due to the script making him so.

    And don't even mention his "dramatic" encounter with Downey near the end at the side of the pool. Paris Hilton can emote better, and the only face she has is "slut".

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  • Feb 12, 2008 12:45:19 PM CST

    Saw it today.

    by knuckleduster

    Really liked it. I think the Hughes comparisons are justified. And Downey, oh man, sometimes I forget just how good he is. Effortless, really. Yelchin cracked me up. What can I say, I think the kid's real funny. Maybe not the next Ferris Bueller (that might be a bit too much to live up to), but a decent performance and a decent movie.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 1:19:26 PM CST

    Ferris Bueller was a manipulating sociopath

    by caruso_stalker217

    A remorseless user. A real piece of shit. Look at his eyes. Those are cold dead eyes. A shark's eyes.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 1:42:25 PM CST

    yelchin

    by ianrewel

    I thought Yelchin was pretty good, specially in the Yankee Doodle scene

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  • Feb 12, 2008 2:09:33 PM CST

    RE: Iron Man

    by jorson28

    I know that's not what this article is about, but everyone is so eagerly anticipating the "Iron Man" movie, whether they're familiar with the comics or not, but while I admit the trailers look entertaining, still, to me, that's about it. I don't know, judging from the trailer for "Iron Man" -- and perhaps judging too harshly -- there just doesn't seem to be any atmosphere or unique feeling to the material. You get the actors, in and out of costume, some explosions, tongue-in-cheek humor and that's it, no subtext, no nothing. As ever wary as I've been and will continue to be of Abrams and company telling a TOS Star Trek story with new actors in a movie, I'm much more looking forward to that. Maybe I'm just infinitely more familiar with the source material, but even the teaser recently seemed to have more going for it (emotionally, anyway) than any of the Iron Man footage. Anyway, I'm sure I'm in the minority here. I'll check back to see what kind of derrogatory reactions this gets. lol

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  • Feb 12, 2008 2:10:18 PM CST

    caruso_stalker217

    by trafficguy2000

    THANK YOU! I always felt the same way. Nice going Ferris, your best friend is going to get the shit kicked out of him by his dad while you get laid.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 2:12:42 PM CST

    I actually wrote an essay on the film

    by caruso_stalker217

    "A Study of the Film FERRIS BUELLER'S DAY OFF, by the Anarchist John Hughes."
    It would have been an excellent essay, if only the paint thinner had held out long enough for me to finish it.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 2:24:56 PM CST

    Notice how Ferris used reverse psychology...

    by caruso_stalker217

    ...to get Cameron to take the fall. You are a sneaky one, Ferris.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 2:26:29 PM CST

    I've been looking forward to this for a while...

    by kid idioteque

    since it was delayed several times. Could be a sleeper at the box office.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 2:31:16 PM CST

    Not Ferris, Max Fischer

    by wintocha67

    This movie is Max Fischer if he wasn't just pretending to be rich, if everyone liked him for being himself, and if the girl of his dreams was the first person he met.

    And I don't think Downey was Charlie in the future with the drinking and the toy boats and guns? Something else entirely...

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  • Feb 12, 2008 2:54:37 PM CST

    Ferris pushed Cameron to his breaking point

    by caruso_stalker217

    Notice the calm and serenity in Cameron's voice. I bet you dollars to donuts that Cameron offed his old man.
    The funny thing is, the real good guy in that movie is Rooney. True, he's not the most likable guy in the world, but he happens to be RIGHT. Ferris, the lying cheating weasel, deserves to be punished. However, through Rooney's ineptness and Jeanie's unfortunate change of heart brought on by the unconditional love for one's family, Ferris eludes his punishment.
    Fortunately, as Sloan was most surely impregnated with his damaged seed by the end of the film, Ferris was hopefully given a reality check. Life isn't all about having your own fucking way all the time. It's not going to happen, Ferris Bueller. No matter how many people you manipulate or destroy. You have to provide for your bastard child now.
    Though I fear that he may have pressured Sloan into aborting. I would not put it past him, the heartless son of a bitch.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 3:05:00 PM CST

    therapy and confession in the boys bathroom

    by bacci40

    guess that is what passes for social commentary nowadays

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  • Feb 12, 2008 3:09:13 PM CST

    Looks like some Nick at Nite movie

    by skywalkerfamily

  • Feb 12, 2008 3:11:42 PM CST

    Dennings is delicious...

    by jivetalker

    Finally a girl with some damn meat on her bones. Cute little goth girl, sarcastic personality too. Me likey.

    Regarding Yelchin, I thought he was quite good in Alpha Dog (though the film was ridiculous) and House of D. Skeptical about Chekov though not because he's a bad actor or lacks potential, but because he looks like he's twelve. Even if they are going for the Young Star Fleet Academy thing with the cast, he still looks waaaay younger than the other actors. But we'll see, I think we'll be seeing some good things from him in the future.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 3:15:19 PM CST

    So Chekoff gets the girl with the huge tits?

    by expert_40

    Won't James T. be jealous?Seriously, I don't know what the fuck is going on with girls today, but I was born in 1980 and went to high school in the mid-90's. And I'm here to tell you that girls just didn't look like they do now even 10 years ago.What's the deal with every 15 year-old running around with c-cup tits? When I was in high school, you were lucky to feel up a b-cup, and that was usually on a well-developed senior.Nowadays, if girls are a b-cup at 14, they're in the fucking minority. Life's not fair... I was born ten years too soon!

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  • Feb 12, 2008 3:20:41 PM CST

    Hey, Node, I gotta blow off steam like everybody else

    by caruso_stalker217

    But Ferris was "out sick" nine times. NINE TIMES. Isn't that a little extreme? I mean, come on. And did you see how fast the entire town rallied around the "dying" Ferris? It showed how much he had manipulated things. It's disgusting. Notice that he has to be the center of attention at all times, which is why he hijacked the parade. He's a complete narcissist and unworthy of praise. Ferris Bueller will never succeed at anything in life, because he will always cheat his way out of it. He is a poor excuse for a human being. And he wears a fucking sweater vest, for Christ's sake.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 3:31:27 PM CST

    How did Ferris do all that stuff in one day?

    by skywalkerfamily

    He went to the Sears Tower, museum, restaurant, a Cubs game, a parade, down to the water, and he had to be home by six. He probably left Cameron's house at like 10, and probably picked up Simone at noon because the sun was up when they hit downtown Chicago.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 3:37:38 PM CST

    Ferris talked God into slowing the Earth's rotation

    by caruso_stalker217

    The little son of a bitch is good, I'm telling you.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 3:40:06 PM CST

    caruso "9 times" post about ferris

    by kloipy

    I almost wet myself, I could taste the violent hate of ferris

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  • Feb 12, 2008 3:41:43 PM CST

    Not quite a rich brat

    by caruso_stalker217

    Upper middle class. Like all of Hughes' villians.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 3:43:00 PM CST

    And I like sweater vests as much as the next guy...

    by caruso_stalker217

    ...but Ferris uses it for evil.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 3:44:42 PM CST

    Ferris talked his way into a deaf girl's pants

    by kloipy

    and she couldn't read lips

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  • Feb 12, 2008 3:52:33 PM CST

    I really like how you guys hate Ferris

    by terrymalloy

    You're totally right but I fall for it every time. I love him. That bastard.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 4:01:20 PM CST

    I loved the movie as a kid...

    by caruso_stalker217

    ...but as I got older and more cynical I began to see the truth. And now it's getting harder and harder to watch. Note the scene where Ferris keeps calling Cameron to give him a ride. He yells, "Now get over here and pick me up!" This is a man trying to maintain control. But Cameron's every act of defiance drives Ferris closer and closer to the edge. Eventually Cameron gives in (Ferris knew he would. That's one of they're tricks) and Ferris' equilibrium returns. If only for a short while.
    Notice his behavior toward the parking garage attendant. Ferris asks if he speaks English, very condescendingly. He then gives the guy a small tip and looks utterly full of himself in his pretentious beret.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 4:14:10 PM CST

    caruso, you're dead on

    by bloo

    I really hadn't realized it until now, but you're right Ferris is a manipulatior, however what's sad is that he will have done well in life. Probably in politics, he's not the public face guy, he's the George Stephenplous type, behind the scenes manipulating Bill behind hte scenes. Then he goes to work for...probably Fox News, he wouldn't make it on CNN. And he's from IL so he's probably an Obama supporter, but he might be a McCain supporter, def. not Hillary though

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  • Feb 12, 2008 4:15:49 PM CST

    CB vs. Rushmore

    by redmotlow

    I don't see the Ferris relations as much. Both Rushmore and CB open with the main characters dream fantasy, people cheering their names. It's essentially the same character in a different financial state.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 4:30:43 PM CST

    You guys don't think Ferris is a changed man

    by terrymalloy

    after he witnesses Cameron and his sister's turnaround? I think it's subtle but it's there.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 4:36:19 PM CST

    That last freeze frame with Ferris' sly grin says it all

    by caruso_stalker217

    He's still the same motherfucker he always was. It's just like that last shot in REAR WINDOW when Grace Kelly waits for Jimmy Stewart to fall asleep so she can read her fashion magazine.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 4:46:18 PM CST

    He's not that cruel of a motherfucker though

    by terrymalloy

    "Do you speak English" and manipulating Cameron to use his Ferrari are his only behaviors you could consider cruel.Not trying to be a Ferris apologist. He is definitely a liar and a smart ass but I don't think he's cruel.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 4:49:45 PM CST

    yeah Ferris didn't learn anything

    by bloo

    wht he has done is corrupt his friend (causd him to snap) and his siter (turning sweet Jennifer Gray into who he is)

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  • Feb 12, 2008 4:51:52 PM CST

    Ferris is the reason Jennifer Gray got the nosejob

    by caruso_stalker217

    And it killed her career. He is a monster.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 4:53:56 PM CST

    No Sympathy For Rooney. Rooney Is REAL.

    by buzz maverik

    I have a teaching credential. Everything Hughes ever said about educators and everything you ever thought about your teachers and principals is true. Rooney, Vernon, etc.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 4:57:52 PM CST

    Ferris is a Bastard because.......

    by travis-dane

    caruso_stalker217 said so!You fucked up my childhood caruso!I hate YOU!FUCK YOOUUUUUU!

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  • Feb 12, 2008 4:58:05 PM CST

    Caruso

    by terrymalloy

    Cameron stands up to his father because of Ferris. Ferris didn't anticipate those guys in the garage going on a joy ride and thought he could reverse the odometer.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 4:58:29 PM CST

    Rooney

    by bloo

    doesn't deserve sympathy in my eyes, but we are meant to believe that if you lie and cheat and steal and manipulate you'll get anything you want.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 4:58:33 PM CST

    I Hate It When Characters Learn Things.

    by buzz maverik

    Like Seinfeld's motto: "Nobody hugs, nobody learns."I remember this great, old movie, must have been from the '50s. Might have even been like a PLAYHOUSE 90 thing because it was only about an hour long. It's about a little kid who plays with a cap gun in NYC. His old brother and his brother's friends trick the kid into thinking the kid has shot the little brother. The kid runs away to Coney Island. The old brother has to get him back to Brooklyn or the Bronx or whatever before Mom gets home from work (I'm assuming Dad was killed invading Normandy or something).Now, if this movie were made today, the little kid would be horrified and never play with guns again. But in the Good Old Days, the show ends with the kid in front of the TV, shooting at cowboys.He didn't learn nuttin'! And it wasn't ironic either.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 4:59:34 PM CST

    I Mean, I Hate Learning Things Myself...

    by buzz maverik

    ...so why do I want to pay to see someone learn in a movie.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 4:59:52 PM CST

    Au contraire, expert_40

    by spaceman spliff

    I don't know, expert_40, I think it may depend on where you live. I knew this girl in seventh grade (20 yrs ago!) whose nickname was "Double Bubble." They were each as big as her head. (And she had a really big head.) She may have been an extreme case, but I knew lots of girls who came pretty damn close. (You might think it was heaven, but you'd be wrong. You know how pretty girls love fanboys.)

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  • Feb 12, 2008 5:00:14 PM CST

    Buzz Maverik

    by terrymalloy

    Check out Theater of the Absurd. That's what Seinfeld is really. Absurdism at its best. We never change in life. Everything is always the same.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 5:02:03 PM CST

    Stupid Lack Of Edit Feature

    by buzz maverik

    Correct my posts in your mind.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 5:04:40 PM CST

    Ferris' problem...

    by caruso_stalker217

    ...is that he can't think ahead. He is too impulsive. It's the little anarchist inside of him saying, "Do this, do that, disrupt the program!" It came back to bite him on the ass and caused his friend to do murder.
    Of course Ferris is unaware of this as he smiles smugly into the camera at the end, content that he has done the impossible and gotten away with it. That smile is the smile of the cat who got the cream.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 5:06:49 PM CST

    Terry

    by bloo

    He didn't think about the consequences of his actions and then when it came time to play the piper he manipualted Cameron into taking the fall. he knew Cameron was weak and mallable, so he used reverse physcolgy to make Cameron appear strong but he is still weak under FerrisIt's a late 80s syndrome, to be cool you must be a douche, look at Parker Lewis

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  • Feb 12, 2008 5:08:57 PM CST

    The lesson I learned from Ferris Bueller

    by terrymalloy

    was not to lie, cheat, and manipulate to get what I want. It was that "life moves pretty fast, if you don't stop and look around every once in a while, you could miss it."

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  • Feb 12, 2008 5:09:41 PM CST

    leave poor Ferris alone caruso!

    by travis-dane

    You are so MEAN!

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  • Feb 12, 2008 5:10:39 PM CST

    I never saw that scene with the Ferrari crashing

    by terrymalloy

    through the garage as reverse psychology. I saw it as Ferris realizing what a shitbag he was and saying he would take the fall. But Cameron took it like a man.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 5:12:03 PM CST

    I mean Cameron was really already fucked

    by terrymalloy

    once he started kicking the car.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 5:19:14 PM CST

    I'll admit...

    by caruso_stalker217

    ...the scene where the car is wrecked Ferris does seem to display an emotion that could be perceived as remorse, which would put a tiny dent in my theory. However, I believe that he is a sociopath and is thus unable to feel remorse, let alone emote it. I think he is merely mimicking a behavior. He has a calculating mind. He knows that he must appear to feel something, so he manufactures a little "remorse" to cover himself.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 5:22:37 PM CST

    Thats not true caruso.....

    by travis-dane

    Ferris cares for his friend Cameron!You are the sociopath here!

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  • Feb 12, 2008 5:28:05 PM CST

    I think he cares about Cameron

    by terrymalloy

    but is definitely narcissistic, like so many people are in high school. But that moment of remorse with the car doesn't seem to be manufactured to me.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 5:32:23 PM CST

    Now, I know English is not your first language, travis...

    by caruso_stalker217

    ...so perhaps something got "lost in translation" if you will. Maybe in the sanitized version you received in Germany had the more disturbing scenes cut out. Such as the scene where Ferris concocts his plan to "borrow" Cameron's dad's Ferrari. There are cunning wheels turning in his head in that scene. He knows what this could mean to Cameron. If the car gets damaged, it'll be Cameron's ass. Cameron pleads with Ferris, he begs him, to rent a limo. Cameron offers alternatives and Ferris brushes him off, his eye on the prize, grinning like the devil Himself, all but rubbing his grubby little hands together. There may even have been the faint glow of brimstone burning in one pupil, but that might have been my imagination.
    Then later, after they have used the car to pick up Sloan, Ferris does not take it back to the house as he promised, his excuse being, "If you had access to a car like this, would you take it back right away? I didn't think so." He then proceeds to cackle maniacally, stomping the accelerator to the floor, throwing Cameron into the backseat. Sloan grins seductively at Ferris as she caresses his inner thigh. Ferris looks into the camera, his eye squinching into a wink of the purest decadence you will ever see.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 5:32:28 PM CST

    Terry

    by bloo

    how does Ferris suggest stopping and looking around, by lieing cheating, stealing, manipulating

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  • Feb 12, 2008 5:36:06 PM CST

    But friends dont do that to each other!

    by travis-dane

    DAMN!Ferris is nice!Leave him alone!You suck!

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  • Feb 12, 2008 5:41:41 PM CST

    But after all caruso........

    by travis-dane

    You are right!;-)

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  • Feb 12, 2008 5:41:51 PM CST

    Caruso

    by terrymalloy

    He is a bit of a sociopath. You're starting to sway me.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 5:43:42 PM CST

    Do you see what happens?

    by caruso_stalker217

    If you yell and bang on stuff and tell outright lies long enough, people will start to listen.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 5:43:59 PM CST

    Bloo

    by terrymalloy

    Yeah, all that stuff went over my head when I was a kid. My mom was the one who actually would try to convince ME to skip school. "I can't miss Social Studies mom! We're learning about Ancient Egypt!"

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  • Feb 12, 2008 5:44:58 PM CST

    Damn you're right

    by terrymalloy

    I have crumbled beneath your onslaught of banging, yelling, and lies.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 5:47:25 PM CST

    Thanks for ruining my favorite High School movie

    by terrymalloy

  • Feb 12, 2008 5:48:04 PM CST

    Yeah

    by caruso_stalker217

    I'm a regular Benito Mussolini.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 5:49:19 PM CST

    But you know the TRUTH caruso.......

    by travis-dane

    OLEG lives!

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  • Feb 12, 2008 5:52:43 PM CST

    AAAACKKGGHHH!!!

    by caruso_stalker217

    That is the sound of a man having a revelation. Oleg happens! In my fucking FACE!

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  • Feb 12, 2008 6:39:04 PM CST

    So this Abe Froman guy.

    by billypilgrim

    Was he REALLY the sausage king of Chicago or a flaming homosexual? Overall the movie is good. I don't think it will hit iconic status like a Hughes film. But I got to see some Kat Dennings heavy petting. The issue I had was that everything "just fell into place". But, I guess that can be said for all "teen" comedies. So I lose my own argument. Can I go back to talking about Kat Dennings taking her shirt off?

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  • Feb 12, 2008 7:19:38 PM CST

    Ferris cared about his friends.

    by skywalkerfamily

    He loved Simone, and he was truly worried when Cameron snapped. He even warns the audience, "Here's the part where Cameron goes beserk." Also, he was truly shocked his sister stood up for him. Ferris was sneaky, but the assistant to the Principle says everyone loved him.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 8:27:48 PM CST

    Greigy

    by the podosphere

    See Spaceman Spliff's post for your answer. He and his ticket-buying ilk are the reason for all the high school/young adult movies featuring PYT's we can leer at without going to porn and feeling dirty.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 8:40:03 PM CST

    Ferris Bueller =

    by the podosphere

    Jack Sparrow = Bugs Bunny. The Trickster character. Lovable rogue. Very difficult to pull off well.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 9:21:04 PM CST

    Sorry Count Chocula

    by billypilgrim

    But that little bastard Charlie Bartlet gets his massive noggin in the way so you dont get to see anything. The internets will fail you....

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  • Feb 12, 2008 9:32:33 PM CST

    One thing Ferris didnt do was

    by billypilgrim

    charge 10 bucks a pill. I hope the over medication of troubled teens isn't laughed off. The movie was a good slap in the face to adults that are only interested in giving their kids drugs so they just go away. That way the adult children don't have to deal with their kids troubles. Just pop a pill and nirvana is yours.

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  • Feb 12, 2008 10:10:04 PM CST

    Ferris made a career as a casino singer

    by skywalkerfamily

    He sings that song at casinos now probably.

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  • Feb 13, 2008 11:49:23 AM CST

    Don't Forget, Ferris Character Was Still A Kid

    by buzz maverik

    John Hughes was about 35 years old when FERRIS came out, whch means he was 32 or 33 when he wrote the script (or at his page rate, he may have been 35). In the screenplay, Ferris is more meanspirited and disdainful, more punk. He hates aging hippies for example (which I would have loved when the movie came out because I'm a little younger the Broderik and I hated my aging hippie college professors who were trying to tell me what being young was all about, how my music was insignificant but theirs had meaning, how my generation thought about things and how what they thought was better-- when I meet somebody like that today, even though I'm a liberal Democrat, I can't resist saying:"President Bush is a good man" just to watch their face change color).In shooting the film, Matthew Broderik came across as sunnier and more likable. Also, Hughes discovered that his movie wasn't very good. Luckily, he worked with an expert editor who taught him that with the right editing, he could effectively rewrite his script after the movie had been shot. Things like Ferris and Jeannie's younger siblings, Ferris cashing out his savings bonds, Ferris talking about smoking pot with Garth (the Charlie Sheen character) were lost. What had been THE BREAKFAST CLUB ON A FIELD TRIP became about the joys of being young.Hughes was old enough at the time to understand that while kids can be vile little bastards, it's rarely with true malice. For all his gifts and potential, Ferris was incredibly naive in the adult world. Events worked out for him because Hughes also understood his audiences fantasies. Hey, at age 20, if I'd tried to take a date into Le Chateau Snotty, they'd have taken a look at our ripped shirts, band buttons and her pink hair and tossed us into the street.Ferris was still learning. He saw way more in Cameron and Sloane than they saw in themselves. He tried to treat them as equals as much as they would allow. (When I first saw the movie, and Ferris started talking about of the blue about Cameron never being in love -- which hadn't been an issue until that moment, all Cam's problems seemed family oriented, I was still immature enough myself to think that maybe Ferris would pass Sloane on to Cameron, as if you could actually give your girlfriend to a buddy. Of course, it didn't help that Sloane and Cameron actually had more of a connection to each other than either did to Ferris). Ferris helped the freshmen -- or said he would -- and he was a good enough friend to Garth that Garth risked the loss of a testicle by recommending that Jeannie talk to him.Heck, I can even imagine Ferris saving Rooney's job for him ... then blackmailing him.

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  • Feb 13, 2008 3:23:59 PM CST

    What happened the next day when Ferris

    by skywalkerfamily

    got back to school. Was he expelled, he did change his grades after all. Or did the Principle let Ferris graduate?

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