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The News From Berlin:
HEROES Grounded For Season!!

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Strike or no, Hayden Panettiere says we won’t be getting any fresh Sylar, Hiro, Claire or Noah this spring. From “Mastidon”:
Hi Guys, I've been extremely busy here at the Berlin Film Festival having already screened a dozen movies. Full reports on those to follow soon. But first I wanted to pass along some bad news - Today I got to spend 20 minutes with everyone's favorite cheerleader, Hayden Panettiere. She is promoting her new film FIREFLIES IN THE GARDEN. Anyway, she confirmed that even though the strike is over, Heroes is definitely done for the season. New shooting will not start until April which she will arrive a bit late for as she will be finishing up another film in Canada. So I guess we have to wait until at least September. Full transcription of that interview coming after the festival. Ciao for now

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  • Feb. 11, 2008, 12:18 a.m. CST

    FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by Velcron the persistent

    yayyyy

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 12:20 a.m. CST

    Let me be the FIRST to say...

    by George_Lucas_Beard_Goiter

    ...who gives a shit, the second season sucked donkey balls.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 12:21 a.m. CST

    Let me be the SIXTH so say...

    by George_Lucas_Beard_Goiter

    That I couldn't remember my freakin password.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 12:26 a.m. CST

    Can't say I am disappointed...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    After the way the second season went, I'm finding it really hard to care about the show anymore. Tim Kring really needs to re-think how he wants this series to evolve from this point on. Going back to the mysteries and character self-discoveries of Season 1 is not what the fans want -- we want things to evolve, not be soft-rebooted every season.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 12:29 a.m. CST

    Just rewatched the first season

    by beetlegeuse

    Its really good. I forgot how awesome it was. I forgot because season two was so bad. I don't know if they can bring it back to the level of season one and don't think they can get the fans back after that really awful season two. Rewatching season one made me remember all the hope and anticipatioon i had for season two. i don't think there will be a season four.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 12:33 a.m. CST

    start shooting in april? too soon

    by bacci40

    they need to rework the entire concept, and that cant be done in just a month...and if they want to really generate buzz...come up with a brilliant opening episode and show it at comic con

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 12:35 a.m. CST

    Xiphos...i agree

    by bacci40

    if there were ever a showrunner that needed the boot, its kring...he has no touch for this sort of series...the guy who did (and who wrote the best episodes from season 1) is doing that pieguy thingy

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 12:50 a.m. CST

    season 1 finale was the beginning of the end

    by George_Lucas_Beard_Goiter

    after all that amazing buildup in season one, kring & company really shit the bed with the season finale...everyone stands around & watched sylar (sp?) get hit with a parking meter before hiro stabbed him....boy was that exciting

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 12:50 a.m. CST

    Ground it for the rest of eternity

    by AlwaysThere

    NBC should have gone that route.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 12:53 a.m. CST

    losing Bryan Fuller was the problem!

    by BadMrWonka

    Not Kring...not defending him, just saying, he was there for season 1 that everyone was jerking it to. Losing Fuller for the 2nd season meant hackneyed dialogue, and just HORRENDOUS pacing in the episodes.<p>remember how great the cliffhangers were in season 1? they'd show you something that blew your mind, then make you wait for a week and let it marinate, arguing about it with friends and AICN acquaintances until it was answered? THAT IS WHAT MADE THE FIRST SEASON GREAT!<p>then in the second season, anytime they dropped a bomb on you, they would RESOLVE IT 3 MINUTES LATER!! let that shit marinate?<p>I fully believe that was all Fuller. he went away, and the whole thing lost it's touches that made it a step above the rest.<p>also kudos to me for spelling 'acquaintances' properly?

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 12:53 a.m. CST

    Screw Heroes...what about LOST?

    by Kirbymanly

    Give us more!

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 12:54 a.m. CST

    Season One was terrific, but...

    by LoneGun

    ...now that the creative forces behind this series have their self-realized Heroes, they don't seem to know what to do with them. Season Two displayed a disturbing sense of uncertainty about where to take the characters and the story. I might be in a minority, in that I actually liked how Season Two started off, but once they tried to "fix" the show by making changes, things got awfully messy, cringeworthy even.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 12:56 a.m. CST

    this Heroes hate is ridiculous...

    by BadMrWonka

    you all know you love it. it just becomes cool to hate anything that doesn't stay perfect forever.<p>Heroes second season is like a blowjob from your girlfriend when she's drunk. it might not be as good as it was previously, but it's still a goddamn blowjob, and there's always the hope that she'll be sober for the next one.<p>sorry for being crude, Ororo...

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 12:57 a.m. CST

    Season 1 finale and all of season 2 blew...

    by Brians Life

    Why the hell do you have DL survive one gunshot to go out like a bitch AGAIN! And where did that blood splatter come from?!?! UHG! The Season 1 Finale proved they can't deliver on the hype and Season Two relies on Jeph Loebs traditional "mystery attacker" go to. Bryan Fuller was the only good that show had. The stories are tired, the acting amatuerish (except for Grunberg and a few others). It's a shame. I saw a advanced screen of the pilot waybackwhen and I loved it. Great potential. Totally blown.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 12:57 a.m. CST

    also

    by BadMrWonka

    my previous analogy works just as well for same sex couples, just replace "blowjob" with "muffdive" for lesbians, and replace "drunk" with "on ecstacy" for gay men...

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 1 a.m. CST

    BadMrWonka... lame.

    by Brians Life

    Ohhhhh....that makes PERFECT and totally logical sense. When I was bored watching the show recycle the same conflicts and arcs and amp up characters that suck and cripple those that are interesting...WHY didn't I think that it's only because it's a drunk blowjob!?!?! WHY?!?! OH...I know! 'Cause it's a fucking TV shoW! It's not Heroes "HATE"...it's pointing out the flaws in a show that was once good and than tanked hard. Season Two Sucked. Get past it. And who are you dating, my girlfriend gives a GREAT drunk blowjob.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 1:05 a.m. CST

    Brians Life

    by BadMrWonka

    your girlfriend gives a terrible drunk blowjob, in my opinion. but I've never been with her sober, so I guess I have no frame of reference.<p>and Heroes season 2 was nowhere near as good as the first season, sure. but it suffered from a rushed schedule because of the strike, the loss of Fuller, and huge expectations. it was still better than 95% of what you see on television. American gladiators? the real world? Lost?<p>you have the right to talk about how it went downhill, but it didn't suck, and the hate is unwarranted.<p>unfortunately nothing is more predictable than the speed at which fanboys turn on their beloveds, if they think it will score them some cool points.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 1:08 a.m. CST

    Xiphos

    by BadMrWonka

    a girl that gives a bad/lazy blowjob when sober MIGHT do better when she's a little drunk and less inhibited...but a girl that gives an amazing blowjob when sober, is going to lose a lot when drunk.<p>Put it this way, someone that sucks at bowling, might get a few beers in them and do better, yeah? but you take the cream of the PBA crop, and get them sloppy drunk, and their 250 average is gonna go right out the window.<p> love, BadMrWonka, semi-pro bowler, Mensa member, professional analogy enthusiast

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Xiphos

    by BadMrWonka

    as long as we can agree that blowjobs are great.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 1:27 a.m. CST

    Good.

    by Mezzanine

    The writers need as long as possible to recover from the imploding clusterfuck that was Season 2.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 1:33 a.m. CST

    Xiphos

    by Mezzanine

    I agree with you. I got the best blowjob of my life on Friday night, and she was sober. Well, she had a glass or two of wine, but she was no where near drunk. <p> This talkback is already my favorite of the week.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 1:41 a.m. CST

    Mezzanine

    by BadMrWonka

    if you got the best blowjob from a sober girl, you agree with ME, son!!

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 1:53 a.m. CST

    Xiphos

    by BadMrWonka

    but see, that was my point! a girl with average oral talent is going to be enhanced by the lack of inhibition provided by a nice buzz. but a girl who is truly amazing at the mouthal loving, is only going to be brought down a notch by the decreased motor skills that alcohol causes. I refer to my previous bowling analogy.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 1:56 a.m. CST

    Everyone dropped it in favor of Lost anyway

    by skywalkerfamily

    Lost blows away Heroes anyway. Sorry Syler.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 2 a.m. CST

    Lost is crack, Heroes is a nice red wine

    by BadMrWonka

    Lost, just like crack, seems like it might be fun in the beginning. Then you realize that you are pretty focused on Lost, and only Lost, every week. You don't smoke weed anymore, you don't go out with your friend to watch football anymore. (I mixed the analogy there, but bear with me).<p>after a while, even though Lost doesn't bring you joy, you still watch it. You have a compulsion to watch it every week no matter what. As your enjoyment decreases, your compulsion grows.<p>eventually, your lips are chalky and you suck dick on the streets for Lost.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 2:01 a.m. CST

    Oh how fabulous, I have to see Fireflies

    by Pipple

    tee hee. *puts on lipstick and bra*

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 2:02 a.m. CST

    Heroes is like that show you have to watch

    by skywalkerfamily

    but want to drop like a bad habit.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 2:06 a.m. CST

    skywalkerfamily

    by BadMrWonka

    no, as previously discussed...that would be Lost...<p>or Desperate Sex with Housewives in the City

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 2:10 a.m. CST

    HEROES needs to aim high

    by Mullah Omar

    I want to see extraordinary people teaming up to do extraordinary things together. At this point the self-discovery phase should pretty much be over. I hope the long break lets the writers refocus their efforts and think about where thy want this show to be leading for the next few years.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 2:10 a.m. CST

    Xiphos

    by BadMrWonka

    I think we agree on that point. normal girl + booze = better oral sex.<p>but I think you might not have had the pleasure of coming across (pun intended) a woman that truly loves to give oral sex. I don't mean "doesn't mind it", I mean, gets off on it. then it is like a sport, and like any athlete, it is inhibited by the depressant which is alcohol.<p>and lest anyone think I am being a chauvinistic pig, I freely admit that I my oral prowess is similarly and significantly decreased when I am drunk. the oral door swing both ways.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 2:12 a.m. CST

    Xiphos

    by BadMrWonka

    I don't think you can really like both. it's the Beatles vs. the Stones. it's Thin Red Line vs. Saving Private Ryan. it's Kylie Monigue vs Britney Spears. it's...<p>shit, wait...I don't really listen to eithe rthe beatles of the stones, and I like saving private ryan AND the thin red line. and no one in their right mind denies Kylie her throne as pop queen, when Britney can't even put her pants on properly...<p>never mind, I relinquish my analogy crown.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 2:29 a.m. CST

    Xiphos

    by BadMrWonka

    I just can't get into Lost because I think it's too much of a gimmick, and not enough of a real show. for the same reason, I didn't really like Memento. cool idea, but suffered from the idea (on the part of the creators) that the gimmick was so cool, they didn't have to sprint til the tape. they just half-assed it. Lost is a great idea, it has some pretty decent TV actors, but it is just an extended cliffhanger. how long can you realistically extend it? I think more than half of the people watching it just want to know how the fuck it ends!! it's a whole show predicated on a single question: WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON?<p>that just doesn't sit well with me. smoke monsters aside...

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 2:59 a.m. CST

    I'd give my right arm for 20 mins with Hayden Panettiere

    by newc0253

    that is all.<p> oh, and shame about the short season.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 3:02 a.m. CST

    definitely not my favourite cheerleader

    by couP

    can some crazy jap whaler harpoon her please

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 3:03 a.m. CST

    Just started watching

    by Varakor

    and i'm 20 eps deep in season 1, I'm gonna avoid the rest of this TB cause i don't want to spoil season 2, needless to say S1 is pretty intense stuff.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 3:14 a.m. CST

    no BAFTAs TB?

    by couP

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 3:18 a.m. CST

    Memories are short

    by The Selecter

    I think there's a little too much nostalgia being bandied about for season one. It had many of the same problems as season two, such as the slow start and horrible pacing, until it perked up and peaked with a couple standout episodes...before flaming out in the finale. Taken as a whole, it was anything but great.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 3:31 a.m. CST

    LOST & HEORES

    by SUPERJIM

    <p>Are both THE shit, and are both SHIT at the same time.</p> <p>Lost has been getting increasingly annoying for ages now and it is about time they answered some questions. The dialogue between people in the know and Jack et al is pathetic, they should either answer questions or not have the characters in the position to ask but have them say things like "how did you get here?" fuckers.</p> <p>Heroes made some serious mistakes in Season 2 but didn't Kring apologise for that and admit he had the thought of what the audience wanted wrong? Even at it's shittest it is still better than 99% of the junk on TV, with any luck this long break will make it better in season 3.</p> <p>More of both shows is

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 3:32 a.m. CST

    God knows what happend with my half a post...

    by SUPERJIM

    bit it should have ended "More of both shows is good. Give us more."

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 3:38 a.m. CST

    SUPERJIM

    by BadMrWonka

    props for your clever and well written first line. the indefinite article is so necessary! <p>no joke, no sarcasm, that's a tight line, and pretty much true.<p>and you're right about your observations of Lost and Heroes...especially the part where you reiterated what I wrote earlier (not getting on your case, just fluffing my own pillow)<p> consequently, I agree with your assessment that Heroes is much better than Lost...

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 4:15 a.m. CST

    Screw Heroes...lets talk about LOST ! SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER

    by TimMighty

    We meet four new characters this week, the team that's come to "rescue" the Losties--or kill them, depending on who you believe, not to mention the guns and gas masks the "rescuers" are carrying. Each of these seeming misfits comest with his or her own flashback, so those take up most of the hour. It's not that they aren't interesting, and we learn a lot about how the outside world has reacted to the downing of Flight 815, but it leaves the meat of the episode to the last ten minutes. In the interim, the viewer's head spins with new information, a sensation you either enjoy--or find annoying. TVGuide.com falls into the latter group this week, complaining that characters as "smart" as Jack and Kate should have found out the "answer to the $1 million question" earlier in the show. I've watched enough network TV to realize that's not the way it works, but I'm with Locke: I want answers! Yeah, I know. That's not the way network TV works--especially Lost. All in all, I enjoyed the ride this week. Here's what we learned: * Hurley can see Jacob/Christian's cabin, too, a fact which disturbs Ben and pleases Locke. * Somebody went through a lot of expense and trouble to fake a wreck of Flight 815. * In the past, there was at least one polar bear wandering the Tunisian desert in a Dharma Initiative collar. (A time travel experiment? Evidence of multiple Dharma locations?) * Ben's smart mouth is going to get him killed. * Sawyer, of course, has the best line of the night: "Taller? Like a giant?" I also loved his reference to Locke as Heart of Darkness/Apocalypse Now's Colonel Kurtz. * TVGuide.com also complains that Claire isn't mourning enough. Just because she isn't sitting on the beach in a catatonic state for a days on end, a la Rose, doesn't mean she's not grieving. And I, for one, don't need a soap opera storyline about Claire's sorrow. * Ah, Naomi. You understood Murphy's law but your boss didn't, and now there's a dysfunctional rescue team running around the island without your guidance (unless you turn out to be one of the undead). * Ben's mole on the freighter? Odds are on Michael. Questions: # Are the rescuers angry relatives of slaughtered members of the Dharma Initiative, unknowingly brought together by the creepy Mr. Abbadon for his own nefarious purpose? # Where did the picture of Ben come from? Did he leave the island at some time as an adult--or did someone else carry the photo out? # Is anybody watching Eli Stone? Is it as awful as it looks? <br> <br> source - http://io9.com/354317/locke-and-i-want-answers sorry for the non tinyURL URL

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 4:47 a.m. CST

    HEROES acting makes SHATNER look like Meryl Streep

    by Swollen_balls_low_hung_too

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 4:59 a.m. CST

    Does anyone here actually believe that any new shows will be bac

    by spaceghost7777

    Does anyone here actually believe that any new shows will be back before the fall? No Way! I have not wanted to read through every post but in the media and on television etc..people seem to think that once the strike is over the shows that shut down will start up again. It IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. Thats it. ALL done until fall 2008. Maybe Saturday Night Live will be back. And maybe SNL will go through until the fall? After all SNL has a PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION to influence. And if your influenced by them you dont deserve to even be watching TV in the first place. Bottom line. The season is over until the fall. No new episodes except what has already been filmed and not aired I.E. Smallville, Boston Legal etc.. Kindly forgive typos. Not responsible if above information proves to be inacurate,

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 5:01 a.m. CST

    any new shows will be back before the fall? No Way!

    by spaceghost7777

    the full header got cut off for my above post.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 5:44 a.m. CST

    That's not bad news at all

    by sambrook

    makes sense they'd wait until the audience had forgotten Season 2 and can start afresh in September. It also gives the creative minds time to think about what went wrong. It seems Kring knew this when it was airing due to that "apology" he put out, so that's a good start. Season 2 was created in their excitement and success of Season 1. Now they have time to realistically fgure out where the show should go and what makes it a success. Anyway, fuck that - no 24 until autumn, possibly not even until next January. Bastards! We need Almeida!

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 5:46 a.m. CST

    HEROES is good but overrated.

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    So this aint too bad news.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 5:49 a.m. CST

    Heroes SUCKS

    by Spoiler_Man

    Anyone tuning into season three after the shit they gave us last year deserves to get fucked in both ears by big black cocks.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 5:55 a.m. CST

    It was for the best. I have a hunch K-Bell knew it, too...

    by Pennsy

    As she just signed up to play the lead role in a romantic comedy called When in Rome. Filming starts next month: http://tinyurl.com/2m376j

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 6:50 a.m. CST

    No surprise there.

    by Yeti

    In other news, Water is wet, sky big and earth round. Film at 11.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 7:05 a.m. CST

    for the best....

    by just pillow talk

    Perhaps they should regroup and think of some original ideas.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 7:10 a.m. CST

    Hope they recover...

    by turketron

    Hope they recover from the season 2 downhill turn, and get a great season 3 going. I did way too much venting about what went wrong in season 2, so now I'm just going to sit back and wait and see if they can iron it out next fall. For now, I'm gonna concentrate on enjoying Lost, the final season of The Wire, and then The Shield when it returns for its final season. And then, next fall, we'll get another awesome dose of Dexter. As for the summer... maybe I'll catch up on Supernatural season 3. I was almost done with S2 during the Christmas break.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 7:11 a.m. CST

    oh yeah and...

    by turketron

    Gonna love getting back into BSG also. There's enough stuff to watch.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 7:29 a.m. CST

    "Heroes" is fucked....

    by Mr. Profit

    Once the writers decided that Claire's blood can bring people back to life, the stakes were not high anymore. Anyone can now die and come back and that is lame. Season 2 was boring and has more apologists than fans. The finale was also stupid. Couldn't Parkman use a mind trap to stop whoever shot Nathan? He just let him walk away like nothing. To be honest, I don't want the show to return unless someone else is running it.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 7:38 a.m. CST

    I'm watching season 1 at the moment and it's not THAT good.

    by DerLanghaarige

    It's okay, but too many episodes are just fillers until something interesting happens. But WHEN something interesting happens, it's great!

  • Can't wait for season 3 when it'll be getting the same ratings as the Morning Ag Report. I want to see the fallen faces on the last 3 hold-out fans of this show... I need a good laugh!

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 7:41 a.m. CST

    There should be a "?"...

    by Kid Z

    ...at the end of the subject heading on my previous message.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 7:54 a.m. CST

    The esteemed ChrTh says ...

    by chrth

    Meh, BSG is back 4/4, I can wait until September.<p> Of course, I was one of the people who preferred the first half of the second season and didn't understand what all the whining was about (love Parkman's dad), but the end was just Blech.<p> How to fix season 3: well, honestly, just learn your lessons, and unleash Mama Petrelli. What could be finer?

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 7:57 a.m. CST

    Chance for a retread

    by aboriginal

    Follow the way that Prison Break's model works with good, heavy duty cliffhangers in almost every episode and a limited amount of characters.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 7:59 a.m. CST

    OMG Heroes S2 sucked?

    by Nabster

    Yes it sucked, and we all know this. But we should bear in mind, it would not have sucked to the degree it did, had it been allowed a full season instead of the truncated one we received.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 8:04 a.m. CST

    Yes, S2 sucked, so here's hoping S3 rebounds

    by SpyGuy

    With a title like "Villains," it at least sounds promising, but so did "Generations" until Kring & Co. mistakenly thought we wanted to watch everybody split up again. Sorry, Tim...What we want is a weekly hero vs. villain superpower smackdown with smoking hot chicks and Sylar killing off all the annoying characters in gruesome death scenes. I mean, this isn't rocket science...

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 8:07 a.m. CST

    The Way to fix heroes is.....

    by Lost Jarv

    Surely to kill one of the Human reset buttons they have. <P>I vote for (and I know this will not be popular) Cheerverine.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 8:18 a.m. CST

    Wonka... I've never actually done that on ecstasy...

    by PROF IKAMONO

    ...but drunk? More times than I can remember. <p> The important thing to remember is not to eat anything like chips or nuts beforehand. <p> It's very bad to gag up sharp jagged bits of stuff that could cause injury...

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 8:26 a.m. CST

    how much is Hayden Panettiere charging for 20 mins?

    by palewook

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 8:34 a.m. CST

    GOOD

    by BurgerKing

    I mean, I'd watch it if it came back on, but just to point out all the flaws, this way just saves me an hour a week.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Depressing what happened with this show...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    And I see that the vast majority of us in this Talkback are in agreement, and that is a terrible sign for this show, which the producers really need to take note. If people like us are saying/thinking these things about Heroes, then the general TV viewing public probably has written off the show. People like us (the cult TV/geek community) will at least give Season 3 a chance. But the enthusiasm and momentum that this once promising genre show had is gone and spent.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Thank God

    by greenstyle92

    Best news I could wake up to. No new heroes for a while at least? yes! wonderful!

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Wait, WHAT!?!?

    by greenstyle92

    Talk backers are saying season 2 was trash but season 1 was great!? News flash, Season 1 SUUUUUUCKED. I can't believe I'm the only one who ever saw this.<br><br> Thank God for season 2. It finally showed everybody else how much the show really does suck. And it's a lot.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Tim Kring should be fired...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    I don't think he "gets" the comic book genre well and, particularly, how to present that kind of dramatic storytelling into a "realistic" scenario, which is what the original premise of Heroes indicated it would be. Ideally, someone like Brian K. Vaughn (the creator of Y: The Last Man, who's writing for LOST) should be running Heroes.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 9:18 a.m. CST

    The mistakes were actually made in the first season

    by chrth

    Sylar, Peter, and Hiro were all made too powerful by the end of season one. Therefore, the only way to have some semblance of 'normalcy' in Season 2 was to push them off to the side somehow: Peter having his mind-wiped, Hiro in Japan, and Sylar losing his powers. In other words, the writers didn't feel themselves capable of writing around their powers, so rather than try, they made their jobs easier.<p> There was some goodness in Season 2: Matt's growing powers. "You're evil, Ma". Murray the K, and the Parkman/Nathan fight. HRG in badass mode. "You have opened Pandora's Box."<p> But the bad definitely outweighed the good, and there's little chance I'll buy the second season on DVD.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 9:25 a.m. CST

    This is the problem with this type of show (Lost, too)

    by ebolamonkey

    The writers have to spend so much time and energy writing around REAL LIFE circumstances (strikes, conflicting commitments, salary demands, killing off characters because they aren't popular) that they can't find a rhythm. Situations feel forced, plot devices seem lame, etc. REALLY throws me out of the story. Lost seems to have made a brilliant recovery, I hope Heroes can do the same, but shooting without Hayden means wasting tons of story time on explaining her absence. I can't imagine that will be a good thing.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Primeval has Bionosaurs!

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Straight from Turok to Primeval.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Hero's have hit a wall....

    by C.K. Lamoo

    They've reach the point where, in a comic, the opposing teams would start putting on costumes and have big pointless battles that humanity would bitch about but do nothing to stop. Because otherwise, powers or no, the heroes would all be dead or incarcerated in a week. It's like "The Lost Room", how many weeks do you want to people to steal, trade and play with objects from the room? But if you go ahead and resolve the mystery, it's over.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 9:33 a.m. CST

    Too powerful? Superman sand clone.

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Remember when Superman got taken down a power peg way back when> <p> Supes had this Sand clone. So they were mixing it up and accidently destroyed Earth. But in fact it was a mind game lesson taught buy Dianna Princes (Wonder Woman without her powers arc) asian trainer. <p> Heroes could do the same. Or just fucking raise the level of bad guys.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Writing themselves out of a corner...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    No, I think the writers could have written themselves out of the proverbial corner, when it came to the characters of Hiro, Sylar and Peter. They could have easily introduced realistic limitations -- for example:<p><p>The more powers Sylar acquires, the weaker each of the ones he's already acquired become, and the more insane he becomes (it affects his brain and mental state). With Peter, the writers could make it where Peter discovers he can't hold onto a limitless number of powers -- when he becomes "all filled up" with powers, the next power he acquires causes one that he already has to go away. As for Hiro, the writers could have written things where no matter how much Hiro tries to alter things, some things (such as saving his dad's life) cannot be changed -- this would suggest that Destiny or Fate itself cannot be altered.<p><p>Ultimately, the problem with Heroes isn't that they've made certain characters too power -- the real core problem is that the writers just are not imaginative enough.<p><p>But I think the real problem is Mr. Kring, who is the one in charge of the direction of the show's main arcs. Throughout Season 2, I got the sense that the writers of individual episodes were not entirely knowledgeable of events and character developments that were to occur in episodes prior or after the one that they were writing. This would explain why there were so many continuity errors.<p><p>For example: Why didn't Peter just phase himself and Adam through the bank vault door? We already saw in a prior episode that Peter phased himself and Adam through the walls of their cell at The Company. Well, the answer may be that two different writers wrote these two episodes. (I don't know -- I haven't checked if the writers for the two episodes in question are different.) The writer who wrote the finale may not have known exactly how Peter and Adam escaped from The Company.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 10 a.m. CST

    On TV W/o Pity, their Heroes Cancellation Pool...

    by Pennsy

    has perked up a lot, now that this news is out there. Here's the link: http://tinyurl.com/24zfh3.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Badmrwonka

    by smackfu

    I'm pretty sure the gays don't do that on ecstasy. On account of the dry mouth and difficulty keeping your pecker up. For most people, when you're on E you'd much rather hug kittens than have sex.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 10:08 a.m. CST

    NBC is not going to cancel Heroes

    by chrth

    Even with the ratings down from the lack of Deal or No Deal lead-in, it's still one of NBC's best shows, especially among the all-powerful 18-35. Throw in the fact that the writer's strike killed pilot season, Heroes will have a full season 3.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 10:16 a.m. CST

    What's wrong with Heroes in two words.

    by C.K. Lamoo

    Jeph Loeb.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Hope Kring gets some balls and common sense

    by INWOsuxRED

    The balls to do things like not rewrite your storylines at the last second due to network requests would be good, seeing as that soap opera ending is something that probably won't resolve nicely and is something they forced themselves to deal with.<br><br>Common sense to stay away from things that are too big to do on the fast and cheap budget NBC is going to give you. Ancient Japan isn't going to work on the cheap, and while that story could be cool, it just doesn't work if the setting feels fake.<br><br>The clips that leaked for chapter 3 looked decent, and more in tune with what the show can and should do well. I'll keep my fingers crossed.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 10:29 a.m. CST

    chrth - pilot season

    by INWOsuxRED

    I think NBC announced that they aren't doing pilots anymore because they are a waste of money. My guess is that will make for some extreme TV, as in some extremely bad shit is going to hit the air when it would have died at the pilot state, and some extremely good shit will air that will be better than the network deserves, but the network won't be able to fuck it up since it will jump into production without them having time to tinker with a pilot and force the producers to make all the wrong changes.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Thank god-

    by rockne

    Heroes sucks! And as a lover of all things genre sci-fi, I'm SOOOOOO glad I won't be forced to sit down and try to give this a chance each week, and watch it fail miserably. Please just die silently and don't come back. (Though it was light years ahead of Sarah Connor Chronicles.) Boy, that's poor t.v.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Q: What's wrong with Heroes?

    by maxwell's hammer

    A: its a neat concept with piss-poor execution. I've tried to watch Heroes, but for the life of me just can't. I find it more entertaining to read the episode summaries than to actually watch the episodes.<BR> <BR> That, ultimately is why I can't enjoy both LOST and Heroes. It's not that they're mutually exclusive, its just that Heroes isn't very good.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 10:42 a.m. CST

    there are NBC goons...

    by just pillow talk

    they locked me up on my house every Monday night for one hour, and made me watch Heroes. Granted, I like being tied up and used, but my goons were hot so I didn't mind. Jessica and Monica...here's hoping for a season three! Meow!

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Heroes seems to be going "Smallville"

    by C.K. Lamoo

    With the older characters either dying or turning evil and more and more young characters being introduced.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 10:49 a.m. CST

    NBC goons also tried to take down Stewart and Colbert

    by chrth

    Conan IS tall, though

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 10:56 a.m. CST

    The Save FNL folks are sending NBC light bulbs (!)

    by Pennsy

    As in 'Keep the Lights On", per VH1's Best Week Ever website is urging. Yeah, because we really want to financially reward NBC's parent company, GE, for potentially capping one of TV's better hours ;) Maybe buy a lot of CFCL bulbs that are non-GE.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 10:58 a.m. CST

    NBC goons also wear

    by just pillow talk

    "New England Patriots: Super Bowl XLII Champions". <p>Hey, they were cheap.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 10:58 a.m. CST

    No NBC goons were needed to make me watch Kristen Bell

    by Pennsy

    wind up being the best thing about Heroes last season. Like that was any surprise.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Xiphos, Bell's got a Cosmopolitan magazine cover/Q&A

    by Pennsy

    in the bullpen (probably the April issue to coincide with Forgetting Sarah Marshall's release). I just can't help thinking God was on his A++ game the day he ushered her into the world. Well done, guy upstairs.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 11:01 a.m. CST

    This is good news...

    by VoteRoslin08

    This is the best news to come out as a result of the strike. Take a breath and fix this show!

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Oh, and according to ZeroCorpse in the CW cancels Smackdown

    by Pennsy

    tb, if you like Kristen Bell, you're gay.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 11:06 a.m. CST

    "The Rockne treatment"

    by just pillow talk

    New code word for NBC goons invading your home and making you sit through a NBC program you hate.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 11:08 a.m. CST

    NBC is looking for "go-getter's" Xiphos...

    by just pillow talk

    So you gotta email them directly. Click on their "So you think you can be a Goon" link. I tell him people would be in for some "Pillow treatment". <p>I haven't heard back from them. Maybe it's my email...

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Rockne like a Hurricane

    by just pillow talk

    For those who need that "special" treatment.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 11:12 a.m. CST

    off to lunch now...

    by just pillow talk

    If someone cuts in front of me in line, I'll have to Rockne their ass. Wouldn't want to do that on a Monday.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Uh-oh...

    by Pennsy

    I think I've inadvertently ticked you off, Xiphos; don't know how, but sorry if I did.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 11:20 a.m. CST

    "Rockne like a hurricane"

    by Pennsy

    LMFAO. And all's cool, Xiphos. The Bell haters were beaten back once more in that TB, like they always will be. Because we know she's the shiznit.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Sylar got to eat

    by SpenceJT

    BRAINS!

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Four words for Heroes season 3: The Empire Strikes Back.

    by Pennsy

    But make it 10x more dire for the gifted ones. Real, palpable danger. And when somebody dies, they don't get rebooted back.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Remember, gang, Kring admitted to problems this season

    by chrth

    The fact that TPTB that don't have their heads in the sand is a good thing. Granted, what they do in response might not necessarily be a positive change; but the fact that they recognize that there is viewer discontent with the season's direction should bode well.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Nah, Xiphos, no worries...

    by Pennsy

    Now I'm just wondering where I can get a Patriots 19-0 t-shirt ;)

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Xiphos

    by maxwell's hammer

    If you've ever been around people on Ecstacy, you wouldn't have to ask.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 12:28 p.m. CST

    And America's best dads who are better than other dads..

    by Pennsy

    don't forget ;) <p> *rolleyes at Jeff Silverman*

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Heros Salvation

    by Bloo

    I would leave Kring on as creator/exec producer but not as show runner, get rid of Jeph Leob, hire Paul Dini and/or Bruce Timm as showrunner(s) and hire Robert Schooley, and Mark McCorkle (Sky High Kim Possible) as writers. Heros needs a light touch, not as dark as LOST, but the ability to go dark and an understanding of the "superhero" genre

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Bloo! I love you!

    by DerLanghaarige

    Just for coming up with Bob Schooley and Mark McCorkle! (I always thought that Hiro could be one of their characters.) Unfortunately they are busy with making a show about the Madagascar Penguins for Nickelodeon.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 1:02 p.m. CST

    as I said before

    by BadMrWonka

    nothing is more predictable than the speed at which fanboys turn on their beloveds, if they think it will score them some cool points.<p>all this hate for Heroes, when on its worst day it's better than most of what's out there.<p>if you're one of those assholes that says, "finally, we'll get rid of this shit" rather than "here's what's wrong, let's fix it" you ought to ask yourself, why are you so angry and mean?<p>is it a little pecker? Barack Obama's momentum? still stinging from X3? or maybe just the realization that Lost is stringing you along like a bad boyfriend?<p>face it, he's just not that into you.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Damn you Wonka!

    by chrth

    Just when I thought you couldn't get any dumber, you go and say something like this... and totally redeem yourself!

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 1:22 p.m. CST

    I'm angry and mean cause...

    by just pillow talk

    all my sports teams either suck gigantic season two cock or blow it at the end of the season like some drugged out whore giving a blowjob. <p>See, I referenced my dislike of season two (so I can fall into a generalized perception of fanboys), threw in a sports reference for those here who actually follow sports (Jets & Mets were inferred here in this case), and blowjobs to tie into the discussion from above.<p>Oh, and let's go goons!

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 1:23 p.m. CST

    jpt: don't forget your cross-stadium rivals just won it all

    by chrth

    That's got to be tough

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 1:26 p.m. CST

    WE MUST NOT FORGET DOUBLE DUTCH RAGE! EVAH!

    by Pennsy

    Don't mince words, node32774, what did you REALLY think of that scene?

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 1:26 p.m. CST

    nah...while unbelievable as it was

    by just pillow talk

    Still better than the fucking Pats.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Xiphos...

    by maxwell's hammer

    ...I'm not, nor have I ever been a prolific user, but I've associated with those who were. People on X get REALLY touchy-feely, but not really in a sexual sort of way. It's only erotic if you're not on X and you're the one being groped and fondled. If you're on X, your sense of touch is HIGHLY sensitized, and you just want to touch everything and rub and hold and hug. But not so much the sex.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Rips off X-Men, 4400, Rising Stars, Watchmen...

    by BrowncoatJedi

    ..and Lost. It can stay off the air as far as I care for it's crimes against creativity.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 1:41 p.m. CST

    holy shit, you're right browncoatJedi...

    by just pillow talk

    No one has EVER mentioned that before. Hmm...perhaps I should mention that to the Goons when they come over tonight. (Yes, they still come over to "condition" me)

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Wonka...

    by maxwell's hammer

    1) you're a 'Heroes' apologist...face it<BR> <BR> 2) you're a little upset that LOST gets more critical love than "Heroes".<BR> <BR> 3) I seriously tried to watch "Heroes", and just couldn't. You know when everyone screams: "If you don't like it, don't watch it!" Well, I live by that credo. The execution is just a little too slight. I think its a quality idea, but carried out in a sub-par kind of way.<BR> <BR> 4) I know you disagree with me, but LOST is the exact opposite. High concept, carried out with all the quality and production values of a little mini-movie every week. Strong multi-faceted characters who are constantly growing in unexpected ways. It's the kind of stuff fans of film and tv dream of.<BR> <BR> 5) The central premise of LOST is that its a mystery. If it didn't string us along, the show would have been over about halfway through the second season. The producers have never given me any reason to believe they don't have the big picture all planned out, and its been my pleasure to watch week by week as they ration out the puzzle pieces.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 1:45 p.m. CST

    It does NOT rip off Watchmen

    by chrth

    Anyone who thinks so either hasn't read Watchmen or did NOT pay attention to what the plan was.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Xiphos: If it makes you feel better

    by chrth

    In about 20 years, they'll all be dead

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 1:56 p.m. CST

    just cancel it already!

    by Zardoz

    it's over. done. finished.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 1:59 p.m. CST

    or they should 'steal' ideas from very, very

    by just pillow talk

    obscure books, where like only 2, maybe 3 people, tops, heard of them. And those people are all dead. Then, and only then, can we maybe get some fresh ideas!

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 2:04 p.m. CST

    uuhh.... does anyone care?

    by Darth Valinorean

    ... after the hairy turdball that was season 2, does anyone care? even remotely???

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 2:15 p.m. CST

    "I care" (speaking in my Luke voice)

    by just pillow talk

    Many of us absolutely loved the first season, and were crushed my what resulted in the second one. I stuck through the second season, even saw some glimpses of good things, but overall it was a huge disappointment. <p>But what gets me even more riled up is the cancellation of Journeyman. Grrr.....

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 2:16 p.m. CST

    by...not my

    by just pillow talk

    Perhaps this is affecting me more than I thought. Think I need to powder my nose...

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 2:21 p.m. CST

    No Sylar Hiatus!

    by Egheaumaen

    This is actually kind of good news, in a way. Zachary Quinto is off filming the "Star Trek" movie and was going to have to sit out most of this season of "Heroes," just as Sylar was getting interesting again. Now that doesn't have to happen.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Xiphos about your CV...

    by PROF IKAMONO

    ... i believe chrth offered to replace Kring as show runner last year... <p> (too bad they didn't take him up on that...)

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Hey anchorite!

    by PROF IKAMONO

    You still making nice with BSB? Or is they feud back on? <p> I haven't been paying attention...

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 2:32 p.m. CST

    thanks Xiphos... but stabbing people in the mouth

    by just pillow talk

    with a #2 pencil and calling them shitheel seems to help more. Thanks 2for2true!<p>Prof, it would have been nice if that had made brokeback stop typing in caps. Couldn't you have gotten him to stop that anchorite as part of your "cease fire"?

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 2:37 p.m. CST

    it was entertaining - S1

    by just pillow talk

    Sure there was problems with it, and I too wish they had done a bit more with the action scenes, but overall it had some good shit in it. <p>And the duel in the future wasn't the main focus of that episode anyway, so that was no big deal for me.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 2:37 p.m. CST

    To the WRITERS of Heroes

    by wanderlust

    Scripts are first discussed/boarded/outlined/written in story beats, right? Shouldn't the beat for "Maya and Alejandro make their way to the US border" have been one or two scenes in the first episode at best? Not the same beat in the first five episodes? It was so redundant. I was like, we get it, they're making their way to the border - so what's next? And the whole New York in jeapordy thing? Same beat as Season 1. You've created an amazing sandbox to play in - surely there's more than just "NY in jeapordy" stories. Expand this wonderful univerese you've created, don't retread/close it in. Actually, the more I think about it, given what's going on with NBC and Friday Night Light's, I'm sure a lot of the creative misteps probably stemmed from some inbred network notes... Having said all that, Heores is still immensely enjoyable - keep up the great work and I look forward to what's next!

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 2:59 p.m. CST

    I'm not running any existing shows!

    by chrth

    I'm too busy putting together my BBQ-themed genre-busting TV show (Ep 1, Scene 1, Old Elvis tells the main character -- played by Donal Logue -- "shoot the TV") that will face cancellation every season, thus netting me tons of ribs sent in by fans. Mmmmm ... ribs ...

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 3:10 p.m. CST

    this is bad news

    by zooch

    I'm a fan of Heroes. I'm glad a show like it exist. Especially if it lives to it's potential. Give it a chance. Why does everyone scream cancellation so fast? It being on tv doesn't do you any harm.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 3:18 p.m. CST

    You guys know BIONIC woman is canceled right?

    by mistergreen

    gone permanently.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 3:20 p.m. CST

    thanks DerLanghaarige

    by Bloo

    it's to bad that Bob Schooley and Mark McCorkle is working iwth Nick a)because i really think they could do some amazing stuff on Heros espically with Hiro and Ando, but could actually make Claire fun with Dini and Timm could take Parkman, HRG, and Peter into some cool dark directions. Both parties thogh seem to have a respect for continuity and what not. and b) because if they are working for Nick/Paramount that means their realstionship with Disney is dead at the moment and I really want more Kim Possible and was hoping for more from the SKY HIGH universe. Without them scripting I doubt a sequel (which I'm sure disney would love to do DTV) would work as well. and c) it's witht he freaking Madagascar Penguins

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Wanderlust

    by Jor-El23

    I agree with what you're saying but I remember sometime during season 1, someone from the show, maybe even Kring, saying that season 2 would feature a few characters from season 1 but mostly new characters and new locales. And then people freaked out. I'm not saying you're one of them, I'm just pointing out that when there was talk of expanding the universe everyone went nuts. And maybe they should have gone with their first instinct...take a few characters, move them to a new situation and introduce more new characters. you can't just take the entire cast from season 1 and move them to...Europe. This isn't Saved by the Bell the College Years.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Outstanding! Now Fire Every Volume 2 Writer.

    by DrTobiasFunke

    Then I'll be happy.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 4:17 p.m. CST

    makes sense to me

    by Larry of Arabia

    Now they can work out a good third season arc.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Any word on Origins?

    by Maestro610

    I know it was cancelled due to the strike but with other series coming back and a lack of written material this could be a method of keeping Heroes on the radar. Also doing some stand alone stories could get audiences hungry for scripted television into the fold.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Origins should come back

    by Jor-El23

    not a bad idea. trot out 4 or 5 episodes and see which character people like best, then bring him/her into season 3

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 5:08 p.m. CST

    It should only come back when

    by veritasses

    Kring and his crew are gone.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Veering OT, ABC picked up 9 shows for 2008-09 season...

    by Pennsy

    Brothers & Sisters, Desperate Housewives, Dirty Sexy Money, Grey's Anatomy, Lost, Private Practice, Pushing Daisies, Samantha Who? and Ugly Betty.<p> http://tinyurl.com/3yczk5

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 6 p.m. CST

    Uh, this is "bad news"???

    by jdl82

    This is GREAT news. I don't trust the writers to write any more first-season-ish scripts anymore. Heroes was an awesome series. But it ndied.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 6:19 p.m. CST

    i wish

    by slkboxrman

    thes keyboard net jockeys would stfu about kring, its an amazing show, if u dont like it, dont watch it and dont comment on it...kring made an amazing show even if it dont live up to your high fanboy, virgin, never saw pussy, standards

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Hey guys, I know this is off-topic...

    by EvilGeek1

    but can anyone tell me when Funny Games is out stateside if not already?

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 6:36 p.m. CST

    As long as when they come back the show's good

    by JungleJulia

    I'm not complaining. Unfortunately Kring and his team of writer's made a hard left into a brick wall with some of the storylines last fall.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 6:45 p.m. CST

    anchorite

    by PROF IKAMONO

    Good for you! This makes me feel that there is hope for all of us... <p>... even if BSB still writes in all caps! <p> ... where is BSB anyway? Probably still celebrating Shia LaBeouf's Bafta win...

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Thank god

    by Series7

    Hopefully they'll all realize that outside of the show being new and on air, its not good enough to wait around for and the actors will move on. That or Marvel will finally sue them.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Wonka you are way of base

    by Nabster

    when the creator of the show himself acknowledges season two was a misfire, prompting him to cut the season short. There are a myriad of reasons why season 2 was terrible ( laughable love stories, completely uninteresting new characters, etc, etc ), whether or not it was viewed in a vacuum. I don't think the Heroes S2 hate is borne out of a desire to be cool, its a product of a shoddy product. Next.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 6:47 p.m. CST

    There's nothing wrong with criticism per se

    by chrth

    Provided it's constructive. Criticism along the line of "THIS SHOW SUKS YALL ARE LOOSERS FOR WATCHING IT!!!!!!!11111" is not very constructive.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Trying to remember last time I cared about this show

    by wash

    Ok, it was only last year, but it seems like an eternity ago.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Not surprised

    by GimpInMyPants

    Season 3 was nicely wrapped up with episode 11. In fact, it would have been a disaster trying to launch into season 4 knowing perfectly well there would've had to be a Fall season. <br> With that said I'd like to say that I enjoyed season 3 quite a bit. It wasn't all over the place I read others criticized. It must have been the added benefit that I managed to watch the entire season within a week rather than the span of a few months. Didn't have to wait through the Winter break or anything.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Dear Will I am

    by skywalkerfamily

    Please do not sing anymore, ever. signed, the public.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Season 3 length

    by StuckinthePresentPaused

    season 2 was a bit disappointing with things that should of been shown just being referenced ( how did hiro get adam into the coffin i mean if he can teloportt someone that is tocuhing him and there isnt that much room in a coffin???) but the volume 3 teasers looked awesome and some of them filmed maybe season 3 can be longer plus theyll have sylar more available

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 8:26 p.m. CST

    Next year: Britney Spears comes within 1 category...

    by Pennsy

    Of sweeping the 2009 Grammys. Bank it.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Another heathen!

    by Pennsy

    *glares at Ashok0* ;) <p> All in good fun.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 8:43 p.m. CST

    That *I'm* her man.

    by Pennsy

    Yes! *rocks out*.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 8:51 p.m. CST

    The force of nature that IS Kristen Bell...

    by Pennsy

    may not be contained to just TV much longer. Forgetting Sarah Marshall, IMO, is going to be the rocket fuel that makes her a bankable movie star; it's starting to happen already with this When in Rome deal. Rom-com, yeah, but this isn't going to be a Debra Messing/Eva Longoria mess and a half. Bell's got the humor to pull this off.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Xiphos...

    by Pennsy

    But we must continue to defend KB against all haters/clueless ones/whatnot. I know I've said this before, but get yer asses to this URL and read her best interview so far. <p> K-Bell unplugged: http://comicfoundry.com/?p=1316

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Krsten will be in Fanboys!

    by skywalkerfamily

    But that movie probably won't see the light of day.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 9:49 p.m. CST

    I think they should avoid Origins

    by INWOsuxRED

    They need to put their focus into pushing through that forced soap opera ending and getting everything back into gear.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 10:29 p.m. CST

    I AGREE WITH INWOsuxRED ON THIS ONE.

    by Pennsy

    Yet another virtual $1 to Pound Sand (see what you started?). Yes, don't even think about reviving Origins; there are more important things to adjust and streamline, and that should start the moment the all-clear is given to go back to work.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 10:43 p.m. CST

    Nabster

    by BadMrWonka

    this is a quote from me, earlier in this talkback:<p>"and Heroes season 2 was nowhere near as good as the first season, sure. but it suffered from a rushed schedule because of the strike, the loss of Fuller, and huge expectations."<p>I understand that season 2 wasn't as good, and if you were to go back to the talkbacks for each episode, I was LIVID at how far it had fallen.<p>I wasn't taking issue with constructive criticism of the show, I just took issue with the idiots yammering "who carez, heroes sux!!" and shit like that. THAT is done just to be cool and hear one's own voice. and, as I said before, is what I was referring to.<p>make sure you know what's going on before you call someone out.<p>oh, and congrats on your "most pretentious guy in the talkback award" for writing "Next." at the end of your misguided rant.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Who cares?

    by haitu

    hmmm not me. this show sucks. the epitome of rip off.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 11:58 p.m. CST

    The problem with "Heroes"...

    by Rogue4

    ... is the same problem that surfaced in the first season, but seemed to be completely pervasive in the second. Complacency. After all the complaints for the lackluster season 1 finale, I wouldv'e thought that it had gotten through the creator's heads that it was time to ante up on the action adventure portion of the equation. But intead, just as with season 1, we see them time and again use every lame trick in the book to weasel around crafting a decent action sequence. Thats why Pete Has To Be knocked back to square one with amnesia. It's why the characters Have To Be seperated and spread out yet again. Because to pick up from where season 1 left off, with everyone having discovered their abilities and having stepped into the larger world to discover each other, wouldv'e meant having to deliver (in earnest) on the use and display of those abilities. Ever notice how characters only seem to be able to access their powers as its conveniant to the script, and can't when it isn't. And within the same scene no less! Sylar is stopping bullets in mid air one second, and the very next a chubby not particularly fast attacker can run up from 10 ft away and skewer him with a sword. If Pete ghosts himself and Andy through the vault door (as he did a just a few episodes prior) than they're not still in the hallway for the anticlimactic confrontation with Hiro and Parkman. The show will never live up to its full potential until this nonsense stops. And as for the excuse of not having a "Spider-Man 3" FX budget, stop and think about it. Because with very few exceptions (and I'm sure this isn't by accident) most of the powers on the show don't exactly require green screen level fx wizardry to translate.

  • Feb. 12, 2008, 1:29 a.m. CST

    Rogue4....

    by bacci40

    the show didnt have to become an action adventure show...i think that wouldve killed it...but totally rehashing ideas already covered in s1 was stupid....making the show socially relevant on a morons terms was also idiocy...wasting the talents of david anders and not having bell show up in a bikini in every epi was also idiocy....note, anders accent was so dead on, that heroes fans who never saw his other work, actually thought the guy was a brit...shoulda hired him as the voice coach for everyone else...i think a big problem is the attempt to shoehorn this show in current reality,when it must exist in a totally alternate universe...and stay away from trying to get socially relevant issues in...this show should be pure escapism

  • Feb. 12, 2008, 1:31 a.m. CST

    Heroes = ASS

    by tme2nsb

    Piss out my ass!

  • Feb. 12, 2008, 2:16 a.m. CST

    You don't deserve a show like Heroes.

    by zooch

    bunch of fair-weather, ungrateful, contrarian, band-wagon jumping creatons.

  • Feb. 12, 2008, 3:31 a.m. CST

    haitu

    by BadMrWonka

    thank you for posting immediately after me, saying exactly what I said all the idiots were saying.<p>basically, thanks for being a fucking idiot to help prove my point. here's to you!

  • Feb. 12, 2008, 6:31 a.m. CST

    don't forget tme2nsb, Wonka...

    by just pillow talk

    His insightful commentary as to why Heroes disappoints him is quite welcome as well...

  • Feb. 12, 2008, 7:44 a.m. CST

    Heroes Season 2

    by Mastidon

    I almost gave up on it as well. But they fixed it. The problem is they fixed it with 2 or 3 episodes left so since there will not be any more episodes, season 2 goes down as a dog. Had they started shooting again, I don't think we would say it was bad but just mixed.

  • Feb. 12, 2008, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Anchor...I agree.

    by Brians Life

    But that dudn't make Season Two any good. Simply saying it was better than 3 movies that sucked...and HARD...that's not saying much.

  • Feb. 12, 2008, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Zooch, I don't WANT a show like Heroes...

    by Brians Life

    Rather than mocking people that are raising legit points about a show that was once okay and then plummeted into crapdom....maybe you ought to think about why you feel the need to defend something so fervently against attack. Do you like HEROES like a grown up does or like a 4 year old that loves his MOMMY!?!?!

  • Feb. 12, 2008, 5:53 p.m. CST

    The show is losing me fast.

    by ZeroCorpse

    Or it has already. I'm kind of sick of them riffing off some of Marvel/DC's better ideas, but then completely falling flat on implementing them into the storyline. <p>

  • Feb. 12, 2008, 6:44 p.m. CST

    I beg to differ Bacci...

    by Rogue4

    A show like "Heroes", by its very nature, necessitates a level of action. And oh by the way, my exact comment was "ante up on the action adventure portion of the equation". As in deliver on that crucial part of the whole, not make it the whole in and of itself. I don't see why this would've "killed" the show. I don't get this uunspoken assumption that stepping up the action could've only resulted in degrading the drama. These elements are not mutually exclusive. Both can competently be pulled off at the same time. See "24", See "The Unit", See "The Shield", See "Angel", See "Terminator: The Sarah Conner Chronicles, See "Lost" All of these shows aren't necessarily wall to wall slugfests, but they deliver the goods when its time. When the story builds to a confrontation, they don't put it on the other side of door.