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Spy from Toy Fair Germany on STAR TREK, HULK footage, STAR WARS CLONE WARS & IRON MAN!!!

Hey folks, Harry here... Here's a great report from TOY FAIR Germany regarding some properties we're dying to see more on. Specifically - a first report on footage from THE INCREDIBLE HULK. I hate that toy of the Abomination that's shown up online, just hope the film version is better... by leaps and bounds.

Hi Harry, This week I attended the Toyfair in Germany. Maybe the following is of interest to you. This year a lot of movies will find their merchandise in toys and videogames In Nurnberg Pixar’s Wall-E ruled in terms of licensing. But there was also a lot of Star Wars, Indiana Jones and Marvel. Usually the companies who actually bought a certain a license, show their partners and press contacts some inside glimpses of what’s coming up. Let’s start with STAR TREK. One of the toy companies had a special room filled with upcoming Star Trek toys. As a fan I look at the new JJ Abrams movie with both excitement and hesitation. I think the reboot is a good way to bring Star Trek to a new younger audience. I can’t imagine that the LEGO Star Wars kids will run hot for William Shatner as Kirk or even Scott Bakula as Archer. So in terms of survival the reboot is a good thing. But my fears were that JJ Abrams would bring too much realism in Star Trek – like the tv series Enterprise, ignoring the magical atmosphere of the original series. Fortunately I feared too soon. In the special Star Trek room were about 50 action figures, a few phasers, playsets, Spock’s ring, Spock’s ears and the new Enterprise. The action figures were not the final versions, but you could hardly tell that they weren’t from the original tv-series but from the new movie. Kirk wore his famous yellow uniform (and black trousers), Spock his blue one (a little bit darker though) and Scotty the red one. The Leonard Nimoy Spock had a white monk-like robe, that looked like a variation on the one he wore in The Search for Spock. Highlight was Zoe Zaldana as the new Uhura. She wore the same red communication uniform, but this time the skirt was much shorter and there was much more emphasis on her breasts. In this movie she will give Seven of Nine a run for her money! The phasers and communicators were almost the same as in TOS. Even the sounds were identical. And then… the new Enterprise. As a toy it had a great TOS feel to it. It’s a little more ‘organic’ than the original one and I think the two warp engines and the ‘bite’ taken from the central body are a little bit bigger. The floor of the new transporter room is red, by the way. Also shown was another spaceship. It resembled an octopus and could have appeared in one of the Matrix sequels. I don’t think it was Romulan. Hasbro has the Marvel toy license for Hulk and Iron Man. We had a small preview of the two new movies and wow – they both rocked! For IRON MAN we saw the scene in which Tony Stark tests his Iron Man suit for the first time (in his garage). Of course this almost goes wrong. He speeds into a tunnel, gets out in the open and flies past a Ferris wheel. A malfunction in his suit makes him go higher and higher, almost leaving the stratosphere and running out of air. Then the suit goes completely dead and Stark falls to the earth. Just in time he manages to get his suit working again, making a mess of the traffic in the streets. What I really liked about the scene was the performance of Robert Downey Jr. He gives his character so much tongue in cheek humour that we actually should worry about the scenes with Iron Man himself. Forget the superhero, show us Tony Stark! I hope the Iron Man movie will go through the roof at the box-office. I have confidence it will. It was great to see the first footage of the INCREDIBLE HULK. I think the Ang Lee movie was terrible, but I have a lot of faith in this one. What we saw looked like the first official trailer. The scene opens with Edward Norton meditating. We see images of a lab, experiments, Banner escaping from the (Russian?) military (led by William Hurt and Tim Roth), running in the streets, kissing Liv Tyler, guns, shooting, more running… The ‘trailer’ ends with Abomination walking towards Hulk. Remember the end of Rocky III? Apollo Creed wants to hit Rocky in their friendly duel? That’s exactly the way the trailer ends. Abomination wants to hit Hulk. Hulk wants to hit Abomination, but before it actually happens the trailer is over. Abomination looks like a Hulk with the Voldemort face from the first Harry Potter movie. A really mean motha. He sure is a great opponent. I thought the shown footage was awesome. It promises much more action than the Ang Lee movie, a great love story and an even greater fight. Edward Norton makes a great Bruce Banner. He isn’t that muscular which makes his transformation into Hulk much more interesting and exciting. Imagine John Cena as Bruce Banner! That would be completely wrong, wouldn’t it? Finally STAR WARS: no doubt, it has still the Force. The new action figures and Lego looked fantastic. And for us Europeans it was great to got the confirmation that CLONE WARS ANIMATED movie – the first three parts of the new tv-series - will indeed be shown in our theatres in September as well – so not only in England. That will give a huge boost to all the toys that will be released this year, guaranteeing the future of that (or any other) brand or franchise. Mark Single
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  • Feb. 10, 2008, 12:33 p.m. CST


    by moondoggy2u

    Its sad that there arent any pictures...

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 12:34 p.m. CST

    No pics

    by SpencerTrilby

    no interest

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 12:35 p.m. CST


    by Lashlarue

    Slow news day

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 12:35 p.m. CST


    by BrowncoatJedi

    I knew JJ would pull though for us!

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Abomination looks like an Abomination

    by messi

    what a shitty design.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Oh, and about "tongue in cheek" Stark

    by SpencerTrilby

    my worst fears seem to be true as I re-read this article. Way to go Favreau! Turn this into FF3, that's all the loyal Marvel fans wanted. Word.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Unless without pics

    by I Dunno

    but thanks for the vivid descriptions

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Sorry to be so clueleess, but...

    by SkinJob69

    is the Clone Wars Animated series discussed above just a re-packaging of the old cartoon network stuff, or is it actually new material? Thanks!

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Useless, that is

    by I Dunno

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 12:43 p.m. CST

    We need pics dammit!

    by LordPorkington

    I need to see an action figure in a mini-skirt!!!

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 12:44 p.m. CST

    So, the new hulk doesnt look like a giant baby

    by emeraldboy

    then? if so then what. I mean he'll be green. Will he be more human like. That is what I hated about the Ang lee movie. I didnt have a problem with the rest of the movie. Just the desigm of the hulk.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 12:47 p.m. CST


    by filmcrazy14

    that sounds so cool cant wait for these movies

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 12:47 p.m. CST

    CONAN figures in Arnie's likeness are coming also...

    by ABking

    Even though Schwarzenegger won't be the lead in this Conan film, at least we know NECA and Sideshow Collectibles will be giving us Arnold/Conan figures and sculpts this year. The New York Toy Show is coming in a few more days - so get ready for their official reveal soon!

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 1:07 p.m. CST

    The only "toys" i own, to the chagrin of my wife

    by moondoggy2u

    Is a masterpiece optimus and megatron. It sits on my computer shelf along with a slew of cds

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Star Wars Clone Wars

    by MarkSingle

    Hi SkinJob69, Star Wars Clone Wars is actually the new Star Wars tv-series. It;s all computer animated. To promote the series in Europe the first three episodes are turned into a feature length motion picture. At first Lucas wanted to show the movie only in (the digital cinemas of) England, but now the rest of Europe gets it as well. Unfortunately I could not make any pictures during my visits. But I was so impressed by what I saw, I couldn't resist writing about it :-)

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Why does your wife care?

    by I Dunno

    Of course my GF has a bunch of anime action figures so I don't know what it's like to have someone nagging me about not growing up.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Star Trek

    by the son of John

    Those Toys sound pretty cool.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Abomination pics

    by Calico Pete

    See chud or superherohype for pics of the abomination figure. Looks like a brown Swamp Thing with big luvable toes. Shoulda been , shoulda gone w/the Mer-Man ear-gill look.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 1:54 p.m. CST

    "The skirt was much shorter..."

    by Toonol

    "...with more emphasis on her breasts."<p> I love this movie. LOVE THIS MOVIE. I didn't think it was possible to improve on the original starfleet uniforms.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Creepy Thin Man

    by I Own You

    You broke the first and second rule.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 2:04 p.m. CST

    I cant wait to probe SPOCKS RING with my finger.

    by Swollen_balls_low_hung_too

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 2:04 p.m. CST

    "Star Wars, Indiana Jones,"

    by PirateEmery

    I notice something wrong with this story: Indiana Jones is referenced, but not talked about.<p> THAT is an abomination.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 2:37 p.m. CST


    by Calico Pete do you know it would look stupid? Does it look stupid in the great painting I linked to above? Well why would it look stupid in live-action?

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 2:42 p.m. CST

    that Abomination

    by Dollar Bird

    Looks lame. Like just ropes of woody muscles.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 2:43 p.m. CST

    be still my beating heart

    by Crimean

    text descriptions of toys.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 2:45 p.m. CST

    I liked Eric Banna.

    by dedfx

    The Comic con Footage of Norton was funny though. Way to emotional, Like he had been nominated for a brave choice award. Gonna sit this one out.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 2:49 p.m. CST

    "...there was much more emphasis on her breasts."

    by Lord Haw Haw

    My name is Lord Haw Haw, and I approve this message.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Ah toy fair!

    by skywalkerfamily

    The prototypes always look better than the actual toys which hit the shelves years later and cost 30 bucks a pop.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Nothing like a post describing a toy!

    by skywalkerfamily

    It was shiny! Uh, it looked great.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Dante/Evil Hyde from The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen

    by Norm3

    It seems like they couldn't come up with an idea on the look so they are copying the Dante/Evil Hyde from The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. They should just follow the Comic Book or change the characters name. Marvel needs to set guide lines on the look & origins of their properties. Instead they let any director come in & create their own version of the characters.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 3:10 p.m. CST

    I'm going 2morrow

    by ianrewel

    Its here in Nuremberg and wasn't planning on going, but after this news I'm fucking going ASAP

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Funny toy review

    by SpencerTrilby

    I found this months ago on youtube and thought that it epitomizes the geek culture. I'm already laughing my ass off at all the shitty action figures ads plaguing this site (a life-size Palpatine? Tiger-striped John Wayne? Sheeesh...) but this video (and the time its author spent to make it, obviously) are worth a thousand words. Sit back and enjoy: <p>

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 3:20 p.m. CST

    is the U.S. getting a Clone Wars theatrical release?..

    by JimmyJoe RedSky Europe? - i hope so - im looking forward to the new Hulk - but i think im one of the very few that loved Ang Lee's Hulk

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Anyone who slags oof the good effort of Ang Lee is a pussybitch.

    by wowsah156

    who is getting the vfisting from the hulk. Edward Norton is a shit actor who gets gigs due to the cocaine habit of Hollyweird casting agents. Marvel has phucked up AGAIN and Avi Arad is getting a cruise missile up the ass EVERY SINGLE NIGHT!!!

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Will Hulk Be CG Like The First One?

    by haitu

    Will Hulk Be CG Like The First One?

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Glad you liked it leobloom

    by SpencerTrilby

    first time I saw it, I expected a big revelation in the third act: why does the guy put batteries in his Transformer toy? Will it transform like in the anime? Will it make nifty sound effects? Some kind of cool feature I would've loved in the toys I had as a kid... <p> What a letdown, isn't it? <p> The upside is: the guy has 132 (A HUNDRED AND THIRTY TWO!!!) videos on youtube. I recommand the "Ghost Starscream" review: it's a riot.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 4:16 p.m. CST

    I only read the words "Breasts" and "Uhura"

    by Pipple

    I'm sold. Abrams is God.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Nice one leobloom

    by SpencerTrilby

    Today I've learned that the box art is 90% of the appeal. It makes so much sense now^^

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Superherohype has pics of the Hulk toys

    by skywalkerfamily

    a link would have been nice.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Take a look at 6:55

    by SpencerTrilby

    on the 2007 toyline video you dug up earlier leobloom: he's so much into his anti-HASBRO rant he's having a hard time taking his breath. This is the stuff of legends.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 5:21 p.m. CST

    yeah - its funny in an SNL sketch kinda way, and...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky sure Dcompose gets the joke/knows hes ridiculous - but you guys sound like a snobby high school cheerleader clique rippin on him so much - this guys is just really into what he collects, like millions of others - like me - i collect toys too, i dont post video reviews with my face painted and never would - but, believe it or not, this Dcompose guy is doing a service (however ridiculous it may be) to other collectors - hes entertaining, hes got you guys crackin up

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 5:30 p.m. CST

    The Superherohype Hulk Pics

    by sambrook

    The best thing about them all is the bottom Hulk toy, labelled a Mega Clap Hulk. Now who wouldn't want to buy their kids that? No wonder Hulk's so angry, I'd want to smash everything up if I had a particuarly irritating STD.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 5:35 p.m. CST

    skywalkerfamily, sambrook...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    i checked those out - not that impressive - maybe i need to see more pics - why does Abomination have 2 toes?.. but 5 fingers - he kinda looks like a zombie hulk - i like the 12 inch hulk figure from Lee's Hulk more - i have 2, same figure, 2 different heads/expressions - this is it -

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 5:36 p.m. CST

    my link didnt work, but google it... "HULK toy"

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 5:42 p.m. CST

    try this one

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 5:42 p.m. CST

    shit, i give up

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 5:51 p.m. CST

    C'mon JimmyJoe...

    by SpencerTrilby

    with all due respect for your hobby: the guy is a fat twenty-something wearing a jersey and makes 132 videos reviewing comics or toys. Sometimes with facepaint and all. Of course there is a comical aspect to it, but when you take into consideration the godawful amount of money these toys cost him, and the time he spends making his videos... even another collector would be able to admit, in all fairness, that he is slightly ridiculous. And not only in this "tongue-in-cheek, I know I'm pathetic but it's really an act" sort of way.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 6 p.m. CST

    Here's why the 'new' Abomination is crummy

    by kevred

    Very unoriginal--studio heads, if you were led to believe this is original, it's not. It looks like Eddie from Iron Maiden on HGH. It may work well on screen, but nothing about it looks *special*, which is the greater problem. It's like a tired retread of Mr. Hyde from League of Ext. Gentlemen.<p>Who knows, maybe big pointy bat-wing-ears wouldn't work on screen. But at least echo the original design, give a nod to it. When I see "updates" like this, I imagine 20-something Hollywood designers who think they're better than Kirby, Buscema, Romita, Ditko, etc. Note to them: YOU'RE NOT.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 6:07 p.m. CST


    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    i admitted to the "ridculous" factor - he made me laugh too - but its a serious hobby - just as serious as baseball cards, coins, stamps, movie posters, comics etc. - i know guys that have tens of thousands tied up in toys - some premium format toys/figures go easily for $200 to $500 - we are not rolling around on the ground playing with them like kids - but yea, this guy Dcompose is funny - he does know his toys though

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 6:12 p.m. CST


    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    you nailed it - i totally agree

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 6:15 p.m. CST

    If it makes you guys feel better

    by moondoggy2u

    I just checked out wikipedia, who are apparently better at scooping movies than a web site dedicated to movie scoops, and according to them, they never refer to the abomination as the abomination in the film. No, they just call him by his human name, which I'm too disinterested to really look up. Feel better now?

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 6:21 p.m. CST

    Also, I have to agree that the fish fin ears look bad

    by moondoggy2u

    And I can see why they altered his design a bit for the film: he looks too much like the hulk. When you guys watch this on film, you're going to see two cgi giants wrestling around, and if those two behemeths look too much alike, then the action will be muddied and you wont be able to see what's what. Don't you guys remember Transformers or the last saber duel of Revenge of the Sith? If two opposing forces look too much like each other, its difficult to separate the action on screen.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Oh, and apparently, the abomination

    by moondoggy2u

    has always had two toes and five fingers.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 6:50 p.m. CST

    JimmyJoe - about the serious aspect of it

    by SpencerTrilby

    The guy is pretty serious about his stuff (even the petty issues such as box art) and he DOES know his toys. For sure. <p> What bothers me about guys like him, and the whole business of collectibles is that they often give fanboys like you and me (and basically every TBer) a bad name. General people can't dissociate the artistic aspects of comics, anime or video games from the whole merchandising anymore. And this aspect of the business grew so fucking huge that I wouldn't be surprised if it became Marvel's main resource now. They're not a publishing house anymore, just as Lucas is more a toy manufacturer than a moviemaker. And the worst part is that it's affecting the source of it all: dumb characters are defacing the franchises just for the sake of selling new toys. I was maybe a little harsh on DCompose earlier, but it was a result of years of Jar-Jar or Clone Saga buttfucking. <p> Besides, I read a few days ago an interesting article about Lucasfilm in Vanity Fair. It basically says that when LucasArts was restructured, one of the main reasons they used to hire new people was (I paraphrase here) that they knew the Star Wars universe, but didn't cross the line by going to conventions dressed as SW characters. "Cross the line": it's an awfully contemptuous thing to say to the people that made them rich in the first place. But I can understand why they're saying so. Deep in their heart they know that they sold out, and useless merchandising is a huge part of the problem.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Spot on kevred!

    by SpencerTrilby

    and moondoggy2u: I'm pretty sure a size difference, combined with a different skin texture and variables shades of green could've made the two discernable enough even for the most attention-deprived moviegoer. I'm not totally hating the Abomination design they chose, but if they can't come up with something better than the original then they should either stick with the original, or chose another villain entirely. <p> Oh, and the Abomination's name is Emil Blonsky, and it's in my opinion a good idea to not refer to him other than by this name. Too bad they made him american instead of Russian because (according to Tim Roth) the production wouldn't pay for a dialect coach!! How stingy is that?

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 7 p.m. CST


    by ShadowDudBolt

    Hey, did you see the new Clone Wars figures in person? Did they look like the style of the new animation, or were they in a more realistic style like Hasbro has been doing for figures based of the old Cartoon Network series??

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 7:17 p.m. CST

    I dont mean to sound snarky

    by moondoggy2u

    but why couldn't Roth just study for his own russian accent? He is an actor, isn't he? How hard can it be? I know he is capable of faking more than at least a few accents. Hell, amateurs like me that enjoy working on our voices can usually speak convincingly with at least two or three. I dunno, sounds like there is more to it than that.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Ang Lee's Hulk was good. Fell short or greatness.

    by SpencerTrilby

    How some mentally challenged exec thought that the director of Transporter and Unleashed (in short: a fucking genius^^) could surpass Ang Lee is beyond me. Luckily I read the script and it was surprisingly decent so maybe it'll end up good.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 7:25 p.m. CST

    moondoggy2u: yeah, it bugged me too

    by SpencerTrilby

    since the baddie is written as an american in the script there's little to no room for a russian accent in the first place. It would only complicate things, and studio suits don't like that. But Roth said so in an interview so I don't see any reason not to believe him.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 7:42 p.m. CST

    well, it would seem to me

    by moondoggy2u

    that if you are earning at least a few million for a film role, wouldn't you see fit to hire a dialect coach, or at least a teacher who teaches russian, and just learn it on your own? I mean, at most its a few thousand dollars. Hell, as a teacher, I spend hundreds of dollars every year on my students. I dont have to, but I do it out of a strong work ethic. From what I hear, Roth is a consumate professional when it comes to his acting, so what gives?

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 7:54 p.m. CST

    as anyone seen the really cool "Adaptation" action figures?..

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    ... the Spike Jonze movie - theyre hilarious - remember the twins Nicolas Cage played based on Charlie Kaufman ? - there are some very cool very obscure toys out there

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 7:54 p.m. CST

    i meant "has" - typo

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Roy Scheider is dead.

    by Det. John Kimble

    At least the shark never got him

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 8:36 p.m. CST

    moondoggy, if even producers don't gamble

    by SpencerTrilby

    with their OWN money, I suppose actors - even the most professional ones - wouldn't spend their cash out of philanthropy either. I love Roth but he's often playing bad guys in genre movies (Rob Roy, D'artagnan, and now Hulk) and I'm pretty sure he does that to pay the bills, nothing else. So I wouldn't be surprised if he'd just drop the accent out of laziness if the producers decided to cancel the dialect coach out of greed. That makes sense, I mean Hollywood sense^^

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 8:44 p.m. CST

    Hear! Hear! Lee's Hulk is a near masterpiece!

    by future help

    those who totally bash it are ignorant. It has it's faults, however, it is pure cinema greatness. BUT, i too am up for for the new Hulk experience. Bring it!

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 8:44 p.m. CST

    RIP Roy Scheider

    by SpencerTrilby

    f*cking cancer... I'll always remember him as Dustin Hoffman's bro in Marathon Man, the mob boss in Romeo Is Bleeding and, of course, chief Martin Brody. I hope the obit won't be spoiled by a smartass "First, bitches!", but I'm daydreaming here, sadly. Farewell Mr. Scheider...

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 9:08 p.m. CST

    More emphasis on Uhura's breasts?

    by greenstyle92

    Have you seen any episodes of the original trek? Uhura was STACKED back in the day!

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Side Show Collectibles should make a Doc Levy...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    ... premium format action figure - or a Doc Levy fighting Chen in the french hotel room diorama - Doc's one of my favorite movie characters ever - from one of my favorite movies, Marathon Man - rest in peace Mr. Scheider

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Kirk figure with removeable hairpiece!

    by skywalkerfamily

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 10:25 p.m. CST

    Where's Abomination's ears?

    by dopepope

    Am I missing something here? Are they there but I jsut don't see them ? They are kind of what makes Abomination, The Abomination, no? Such a little detail is all I want to be pleased. I'm sure the action is going to be great. But why can't they just do a character the way he looks for once.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Breasts? I'm there! Like I wasn't already...

    by performingmonkey

    Seriously, who's NOT going to see this movie? No-one. Every single fucking one of us is gonna be there (or downloading a crappy cam version like a fucking cunt). Abrams or no, this is even more of a must-see than Indy. Of course, the anticipation for The Dark Knight surpasses all. But it won't do the same business because...well, it just won't. Even with Ledger. TDK is gonna be a dark movie. Dark movies don't make as much money - see Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban - the coolest and darkest movie of the series made by the most talented director (Cuaron) made the LEAST money. Go fucking figure.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 10:44 p.m. CST

    I remember a radio interview with Van Damme

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    In it he was talking about an upcoming project which the announcer said was called Abomination. When asked what it was about he said, I shit you not " It's about an Aboma...Abomini........A Monster". Fuckin funniest shit ever.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 12:18 a.m. CST

    Is it just me, or does Abomination REALLY resemble Megatron?

    by zillabeast


  • Feb. 11, 2008, 12:19 a.m. CST

    I base my statement above on this image:

    by zillabeast

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 1:20 a.m. CST

    You Tool

    by Phategod1

    No pics

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 1:53 a.m. CST

    No pics? Wow!

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    I'm stunned.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 2:20 a.m. CST

    The Abomination was all-ears

    by BenBraddock

    and an attitude. This guy is just bland. Kevred said it best, the Marvel guys designs left little room for improvement - so why revamp just for the sake of it?

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 2:49 a.m. CST


    by half vader

    Look at the Ang Lee Hulk. Then look at a Jack Kirby Hulk. Are you saying you didn't like the design because it was like the comic (as close a humanly/neanderthal-y possible anyway)? I thought everyone here ripped stuff apart for NOT being like the comic. <p> Obviously a no-win situation. You want it to look like Ferrigno then? Well, seeing as the story is a rip-off of the TV show which was a shameless rip-off of the original Fugitive show, that's probably appropriate. I don't see the point of making him look exactly like a muscle-y guy zoomed up to 20 feet tall though. They could (and did) do that 50 years ago. Now why aren't we talking about breasts and short skirts? The other shit just isn't important.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 4:20 a.m. CST

    half vader, i agree...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    ... and i think it will be difficult to top Lee's Hulk design - im in the minority that liked it a lot, as well as the movie - from the looks of the toys, this new Hulk (although im excited to see it) will be kinda like an extreme, red bull drinking, ripped, vein covered, scar covered, x-games playin, scary-faced hulk - the makers dont appear to be kirby fans - theyre trying to appeal to the younger "aaarrrrggghhh, in yer face" demographic - again, based on what little ive seen and might not be a bad thing - but i was very pleased with Lee's hulk - looked pretty fuckin cool to me - and youre right, it was very Kirby-esque - i still dont get the new Abomination "zombie" look - but then, ive only seen the toy

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 5:07 a.m. CST

    Weird they make these toys well before the debut

    by Dingbatty

    of the film, considering how easily images get around the world now, and that these images are spoilers. Abomination with the rib cage on the outside makes him look fragile. The concept worked better as a more animalistic Hulk -- the spiny reptilian bits made him seem slightly more fierce and therefore a challenge as an opponent to the ludicrously strong Hulk. And those affected by Gamma in the Marvel U are usually greenish. Or is this more Ultimate U garbage?

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 5:30 a.m. CST


    by zekmoe

    Please all, watch it again, and try and understand. And maybe read a comic once in a while to see what the genre is like. It's often exactly like the Ang Lee Hulk Movie.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 5:35 a.m. CST


    by Dingbatty

    Letterier doesn't know what he's doing. First of all, it's based on a superhero comic, so it doesn't have to make literal sense, nor does it have to be realistic. Second, that design gives the film the ambience of a horror flick. And finally, comic books and their characters are essentially iconic -- recognizability and relatability are the key to their longevity and popularity. One should have been able to show an image of the new film's Abomination unlabeled and out-of-context to a devoted Hulk fan, yet have it still be immediately identifiable. A reptilian/alien look always made sense to me, as I imagined Abomination as a more animalistic Hulk, as I said before -- i.e. The Hulk stripped of the vestiges of his humanity. Huge mistake!

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 5:40 a.m. CST

    strange revisionism on Ang Lee's Hulk

    by Lost Jarv

    This is unusual. It seems to be going through some kind of rehabilitation (Judging by the posts here). <P>For the record, I thought it was pretty shit first time, with a near unwatchable end, and it has actually got worse with time. <P>It isn't the worst superhero movie ever made, but I honesty don't think it is very good at all- 2 words for you all: MUTANT POODLES

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 5:51 a.m. CST


    by MarkSingle

    Hi ShadowDudBolt, some of the new Hasbro toys are based on the new CGI Clone Wars tv-series. But the classical ones will also be available.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 6:51 a.m. CST

    How lazy can you get? Fix the paragraph format!

    by Trazadone

    I mean, really, this is just the height of laziness. I didn't even read the article.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 6:51 a.m. CST

    Question about Clone Wars

    by TheManBehindTheMask

    I know this is a new TV series, but since the story in the first "2D Clone Wars" animated TV series ended right at the begining of ROTS, I realy wonder what the fuck they want to tell (sell) us this time...? A story sets before the 2D Clone Wars? I'm already bored.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 6:55 a.m. CST

    RE: strange revisionism on Ang Lee's Hulk

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    Nah man, people who love it now mostly always loved it then. The masses(people who love Meet the Spartans and Micheal Bay) however, disagreed.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 7:51 a.m. CST

    I suppose they are just more vocal now

    by Lost Jarv

    It isn't the worst ever made (I actually prefer it to Spiderman 3, Stalkerman Lifts, and X3) but I am astounded when people try to make out that it is just brilliant and I am too stooooopid to get it. <P>I get it, and some of the character stuff is good, but....<P>Stupid starfish rubbish, Mutant Poodles, and an unwatchable ending.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 8:11 a.m. CST

    So if his rib cage and inards

    by Diagnostic

    are on his outsides, is his junk invert inwards.<br>eww.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 8:42 a.m. CST

    Yes, his junk is inverted inwards...

    by Kid Z

    ... and he's continually homosexually raping himself... that's why he looks like ass. I mean really, this design is terrible, really terrible. Brings back bad memories of those godawful Swamp Thing flicks. No wonder it's almost spring and they still haven't released any sneak peeks or previews.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 8:45 a.m. CST

    SP'OCK RING?!?! WTF?!?!

    by aboriginal

    If its some sorta time travel paraphernalia . . . ugh.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 8:47 a.m. CST

    I remember that Frog director saying...

    by Kid Z

    ...the Abomination would have no reptilian features because that "wouldn't make sense" in an interview. So having him look like an abulatory shitpile does "make sense"? Leave out heroes alone and go back to making idiotic Jason Stratham movies or art flicks about gay cowboys eating pudding you cheese-eating surrender monkey!

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 9:02 a.m. CST

    So about the INDIANA JONES related items...?

    by jones1899

    Jesus Christ. Fuck Star Wars. Where's the Indy news?

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Easy on the hate speech Kid Z, please

    by SpencerTrilby

    I hate Leterrier and his shitty work as much as any reasonable moviegoer but, as a fellow Frenchman, I feel obliged to bitchslap you for your heresy. Last warning, buddy.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 9:28 a.m. CST

    So when are WE getting a trailer..?

    by Aethyrr

    Anytime soon?

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 9:33 a.m. CST

    God, can we all admit now that Spider-Man 3 was just awful?

    by Trazadone

    It was a total mess. I actually only liked Spider-Man 2, I thought the first one was equally dreadful with horrible, HORRIBLE cg.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Can we agree Jarv

    by half vader

    That although the film has problems (but I'm in the liked it camp), a Hulk-Pitbull evens out the abomination (ha! See what I did there?!) of a Hulk-Poodle? <p> C'mon man, Hulk-Pitbulls are awesome!! <p> Although you could say it's redundant because pitbulls are ostensibly ALREADY "hulked out". Hmm. May have just defeated my own argument there.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Yup, you've self defeated

    by Lost Jarv

    And even if you can get over the lameness of hulk-pooch, there's still the ending

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 10:09 a.m. CST

    is it really a spy??

    by kafka07

    should this person really be considered a spy when the footage & toys were shown to the public? Anyway, yeah the Abomination's new look kinda sucks. Where are his trademark pointy ears & green scaley skin?? At least the Hulk is ok.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Yeah, okay, I apologize to all French people...

    by Kid Z

    ... who don't make crappy action movies, movies about gay cowboys eating pudding or who ruin perfectly harmless Marvel Comics characters. Also Quebecois and Cajuns, the former have to put up with the rest of Canada, the latter have enough trouble with FEMA.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 1:25 p.m. CST

    I hope it's the female Gremlin from "New Batch"

    by Puddleglum

    gotta love those lips

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Node32774 - "a perfect comic book ending"

    by Puddleglum

    That's exactly why it didn't work - at least for me and many others I talked to when it came out. Off the page and in a live-action movie, it just didn't work. Too fantastic. In a comic, it might have been cool (who really knows since it didn't). Hulked-out dogs itself wasn't a bad idea. It was the execution of that idea in the movie that didn't work. The CG work on the "hulk dogs" was sub-par and it threw the whole scene off. Which was part of my gripe with the whole movie - the subpar CG needed to be refined and not rushed out to theaters just to give audiences cartoonish creatures that had no weight in proportion to their visual mass.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Jedi Mix

    by HyphenatedWords

    Come see my Bawitdaba Jedi Mix! I'm sorry if you don't like Kid Rock...

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Transformers 2 starts shooting today?

    by skywalkerfamily

    I thought they weren't done with the script. Is Shia in this one?

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 2:30 p.m. CST

    "and there was much more emphasis on her breasts"

    by Jaka

    STFU!! <br><br> And you just listed enough changes to make me seeth with hatred for the rest of the day, and maybe the entire week. <br><br> "In this movie she will give Seven of Nine a run for her money!"<br><br> STFU AGAIN! DAMN IT!

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 4:04 p.m. CST


    by jones1899

    Good Morning America. Feb 14. Between 8 and 9 am. Then online shortly after.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Lost Jarv...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    ... i love the mutant poodle - and the pit bull and mastiff - thought the idea was brilliant and like something right out of a silver-age Marvel comic - they looked appropriately real yet "comic-booky", and kinda scary - the oharshest criticism i have for that fight sequence is that i wish it were a little brighter - hard to see everything - i like how when Hulk smashes the dogs they evaporate into a spray of green blood/goo/mist - i watched it again last night, prompted by the exchanges in this talkback - i really enjoy that movie

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 5:28 p.m. CST

    typo, i meant "harshest", not "oharshest"

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 5:34 p.m. CST


    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    you see Ang Lee's Hulk the way i do - bravo man - great mini review - i too thought the ending was epic

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Ang Lee's Hulk was OK

    by SpencerTrilby

    many people bash it because of qualities half comics adaptations don't even bother to include (psychological depth being the first) and even more people found a new reason to hate it after Brokeback Mountain came out. "A foreign director, a guy who chose to make THAT after Hulk? GAY GAY GAY LMAO 101"... <p> I can understand reasonable criticism but the hatred just went out of control with Ang Lee.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Ang Lee's Hulk was closer to the Hulk TV series

    by skywalkerfamily

    This movie will just be some generic action film.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 10:04 p.m. CST


    by half vader

    Do you actually look at anyone's posts or read the initial articles?! At least you're not trolling your arse off this time.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 10:06 p.m. CST

    The scene at the end between father and son

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    is my second favorite Nolte performance after The Thin Red Line.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Puddlegum - "no weight", Jarv

    by half vader

    Actually that sequence took them ages because they did specifically use hard and sort body dynamics/physics with the dogs. Not just keyframe animation. There is the problem though of large objects moving quickly which can't really be resolved. Is that what you meant? <p> Jarv, yeah the end. It works in theory, but the jellyfish/air bubble/whatever, however thematically appropriate has that VISUAL thing of looking non-threatening. Even though Node tried to defend it he illustrates that point exactly. Rock beast, sure! Lightning, yup O.K.. Air bubble. Uh... Water and tentacles and things look soft. Not very threatening in a direct way. Unless it's one of those manga rape-tentacles I guess. Yikes.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 10:19 p.m. CST

    HULK is a very good Character film

    by George Newman

    I was always skeptical of a Hulk movie because I didnt believe that there could be a smart narrative there. A Hulk film would be an empty Hulk smash flick. Hulk isn't a superhero, he only looks good when he is positioned in contrast with the likes of bigger badder monsters. And while a movie about that could be a visual feast, it would not be a smart film. <p>Well Ang Lee made a very smart movie with great characters and great acting. <p>there are some tragically silly ideas like hulk Dogs. Giant electricity man/teleporter through the clouds was out-there too. But the pay off for that one was the finale of the film: <p>Absorbing Man/Dad took on the essence of whatever he touched. He wanted Hulk's strength, but that wasn't his essence; it was anger, fear, etc. Or a jelly mushroom cloud

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Eric Bana was a great Bruce Banner

    by skywalkerfamily

    Seriously, the cast was great, and the production values were excellent. But, the story went on a bit too long. I did like the end though.

  • Feb. 12, 2008, 3:46 a.m. CST

    I am reasonable about this (node, jimmy, vader)

    by Lost Jarv

    it isn't like a Carpenter remake when I get ridiculously stubborn. <P>With the end- It is a good idea, and it is marvellously comic book-ey, but it is badly filmed. To put it simply, I found it hugely difficult to see what the fuck was going on- Rock was great, water wasn't. It was just a nasty confused mess. <P>With the dogs- again it was a good idea, but it was appallingly executed. In fact, thinking about it- that version of Hulk wanted 2 directors: Ang Lee to handle the psychological stuff, and someone else to shoot the action. <P>As I said before, it isn't the worst adptation. But it certainly isn't the best. <P>There was lots about the film I liked, but lots I hated. Overall: C+ Could do better (as opposed to Superman Returns= F)

  • Feb. 12, 2008, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Oh Node!

    by half vader

    I worked (italics) on the damn thing and I don't even love it! "Superman lifts things" indeed!

  • Feb. 12, 2008, 11:11 a.m. CST


    by tha plow

    i agree. good flic.

  • Feb. 12, 2008, 1:03 p.m. CST

    I'm not convinced that Singer "got" Supes

    by SpencerTrilby

    maybe he thought he understood it (just like he "understood" the X-Men) but in the end I'm not convinced. Too much effort in mimicking Donner, not enough in the story and the "re-invention" Superman needs. My only treat was the 3-D, God the first action sequence was awesome...

  • Feb. 12, 2008, 1:06 p.m. CST

    But keeping Williams' themes was the way to go

    by SpencerTrilby

    just needed to get rid of Grampa Donner's bland style. Singer needs to re-invent himself and not just illustrate stories. Just my 2 cents.

  • Feb. 12, 2008, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Fair enough I guess Node

    by half vader

    And I am pretty happy with what I did but the end result was just a bit like they took the first movie (with the real-estate, earth's crust, plane rescue scene etc) and the big thing they added was the kid (although unlike most I think that actor was pretty damn good actually). Which is exactly what every sitcom does when they jump the shark. The interesting thing is that there was an action scene designed late in the game that would have pretty much made the movie really work (not the Krypton stuff they cut but something else). Ah well, such are the realities!

  • Feb. 13, 2008, 4 a.m. CST

    I understand that peope liked it.

    by Lost Jarv

    I hated it. Pathologically.

  • Feb. 13, 2008, 7:29 a.m. CST

    Ha ha Lost Jarv you just wanted Hulkdogs!

    by half vader

    They did have the one Pomeranian that ate the other though!