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Lost 4.2 FAQ What’s It Called? “Confirmed Dead.” Who’s Responsible? Teleplay is credited to Drew Goddard (“Cloverfield”) and Brian K. Vaughn (“Y The Last Man”), who coincidentally or not authored story arcs for the blockbuster “Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Season Eight” comic-book series. What does ABC say? “The survivors begin to question the intentions of their supposed rescuers when four strangers arrive on the island. Guest starring are Ken Leung as Miles, Jeremy Davies as Daniel Faraday, Rebecca Mader as Charlotte, Jeff Fahey as Frank Lapidus, Mira Furlan as Danielle Rousseau, Tania Raymonde as Alex, Blake Bashoff as Karl, Marsha Thomason as Naomi, Lance Reddick as Matthew Abaddon, Jill Kuramoto as female anchor, Necar Zadegan as translator, Azure McCall as Mrs. Gardner and Kanayo Chiemelu as African/Tunisian man.” Does it utilize flashbacks for flashforwards? Flashbacks. Who gets the flashbacks? Five newcomers to Dharma Island: Daniel (the twitchy fellow we met at the end of last episode), Miles, Charlotte, Frank and Naomi. They are all supercool. Naomi gets a flashback? Is she not dead? She’s dead; she gets a flashback. What’s doing with Team Shephard? Coping with Naomi’s suspicious friends. What’s doing with Team Locke? Headed for a cabin. Do we learn who’s been parachuting Dharma groceries onto the island? Not this week. Do we learn how the newcomers can find the island when nobody else seems to be able to? I think we get a pretty good clue. Does George (the walkie voice played by “Short Circuit” icon Fisher Stevens) show up in person this week? He does not. But he is heard from again, and asks if he’s on speaker. Do we learn more about Abbadon this week? We do. Do we see Jacob this week? No. Since Tunisia is in Africa, isn’t “African/Tunisian man” a little redundant? I don’t know. Was last week’s episode the weakest “Lost” season premiere to date? Yes. Which is not to say it was terrible. Is tonight’s episode better than last week’s? Unquestionably. Does Desmond make any predictions? No. Does Michael and/or Walt turn up? No. But Walt is referenced. What about Pretend Charlie? No. Smokezilla? No. But Locke does ask Ben what Smokezilla is! No Christian Shepard? No. Horace and Olivia Goodspeed? No. Matthew Fox said time travel would be an element of the series. Could Adam and Eve be Jack and Kate? I don’t know. What’s great? “Can’t really say it’s our primary objective.” “Now take me to her body!” “It doesn’t scatter quite right.” “He can’t come to the phone right now.” “She was not on the plane!” Jeremy Davies! Ken Leung! Rebecca Mader! Michael Emerson! Terry O’Quinn! Evangeline Lilly (how come they’re not sticking her in more movies?)! The tool. The collar. The photo of Ben and Ben himself. Most of all, the flashbacks, swimming in fresh mystery! What’s not so great? I’d like to know why Frank was so sure the ring wouldn’t fall off. How does it end, spoiler-boy? With Ben. Who are said to be featured in future episodes again? 4.3 “The Economist”: Sayid 4.4 “Eggtown”: Kate 4.5 “The Constant”: Desmond 4.6 “The Other Woman”: Juliet 4.7 “Ji Yeon”: SunJin 4.8 “Meet Kevin Johnson”: Michael 9 p.m. Thursday. ABC.

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  • Feb. 7, 2008, 5:23 a.m. CST

    second

    by townshend

    lost is awe-inspiring.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 5:27 a.m. CST

    Oh yes!!

    by theBigE

    This sounds great!

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 5:28 a.m. CST

    EW's warmup for 4.02

    by theBigE

    Right here: http://tinyurl.com/27slmr <p> No huge spoilers, just cryptic messages and an interview with Jorge/Hurley.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 5:29 a.m. CST

    More Matthew Abbadon?

    by theBigE

    I'm creeped out already!

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 5:33 a.m. CST

    "the weakest “Lost” season premiere"

    by newc0253

    yeah, i agree. but if, you think about it, none of the other premieres followed on from a finale with such a massive reveal.<p> To put it another way, the reveals at the end of season 1 (the Others snatch Walt) and season 2 (Swan Station blows up) were easily weaker than the season 3 finale. The real suprises (what was actually in the Hatch, the Others village) came in the followups.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 5:40 a.m. CST

    WHEN WILL THIS SHIT TV SERIES END?

    by Spoiler_Man

    The terrorists have already won. We are destroying ourselves with crap. Remember the days when tv was good? Look at Lost and you'll see how far away those days are.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 5:48 a.m. CST

    If Bringingsexyback was a tv show he would be Lost

    by Spoiler_Man

    I.e Pointless and annoying. And shit.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 6:30 a.m. CST

    If FlyinHawaiian were a TV show it would be called...

    by BetaRayBill07

    Short Bus USA!!

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 6:36 a.m. CST

    "Loves On"?

    by Aquatarkusman

    [gag]

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 6:46 a.m. CST

    Why troll???

    by obiwayne

    If you hate the damned series so much, why come in here and even read the post...much less take time to post it.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 6:53 a.m. CST

    great show

    by rocket_boy

    Best thing on TV by a distance ! If Spoiler_Man was a tv show he would be Grey's Anatomy i.e cynical and moany. And girly.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 6:58 a.m. CST

    12 hours to go...

    by Fawst

    Can't wait!

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 7:09 a.m. CST

    When will...

    by maxwell's hammer

    ...Spoiler Man spontaneously combust in his sleep? It's long overdue.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 7:28 a.m. CST

    Spoiler_Man

    by nalapou

    dies of AIDS... That'd be great... best show on tv by a mile.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 7:36 a.m. CST

    If Spoiler_Man were a TV show...

    by Happyfat73

    He would've been cancelled after the pilot.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 7:44 a.m. CST

    If spoiler man was on lost

    by Mr_X

    He'd be TASG

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Adam and Eve

    by Captain Hollywood

    There's a theory that "Adam and Eve" are in fact Desmond and Penny.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 8:33 a.m. CST

    saying 4.1 was the 'weakest' Lost season premiere...

    by newc0253

    ...doen't mean that it was bad.<p> I thought 4.1 was very good and i agree it was essentially a very smooth continuation from 3.22. But it certainly didn't have anything like the major reveals that we got in 2.1 or 3.1.<p> Again, I don't think that's a bad thing. But it is a departure from the 'tradition' (such as it is) of finding out something really big in each season opener.

  • And you say yes? ARE YOU ON CRACK!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 8:40 a.m. CST

    I AM SO FUCKIN TEMPTED TO READ THAT SPOILER POST

    by JBouganim1

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 8:48 a.m. CST

    All 3 seasons

    by Jor-El23

    have been great TV. when you watch them all together, instead of having to wait weeks or months between new episodes, you really get a great appreciation for how great the show is.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Last episode was great.

    by I Dunno

    Damn, I don't know what the people who didn't like it were expecting. And the second season opener was better than the third.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:04 a.m. CST

    SpyGuy has chosen Team Locke and here's why

    by SpyGuy

    When the chips are down, bet on the guy who's a little cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs, used to be a loser and has something to prove, and has a fuckload of cutlery.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Contents of the hatch not a major reveal?

    by newc0253

    Really?<p> I made a lot of guesses as to what the hatch contained but i don't think any of them included a guy punching numbers into a computer every 109 minutes in order to prevent the world from ending.<p> and that this was all part of a funky 60s science initiative studying things like ESP.<p> *shrug*<p> If that's not a major reveal, I don't know what is. By contrast, I find the fact that Hurley regrets going with Locke is interesting but hardly a 'major reveal'. It's more like the kind of hints and clues that Lost hands out on a weekly basis.<p>

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Honestly, I think the premiere

    by Itchy

    seemed weak because of the huge gap since the last season finale. People forget and get out of the flow and it takes a while to get sucked back in. The same phenomena happened with The Sopranos. Everyone said it started going downhill after season 3, which - coincidentally - was when they really started taking huge breaks between seasons. I never watched The Sopranos until Season 6 Part 1 was released on DVD, and then I watched them all back to back. I loved them - all of them. Because I never "Snapped out" of the flow.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Season Premiere...Best/Worst.

    by Cheif Brody

    As far as season premieres goes...no...last week was not the best...Most anticipated? Yes...because we had to wait so fricking long for it...but as good as the Season 1 premiere was (most expensive pilot ever shot)...it pales to the Season 2 opener..."What's inside the hatch" is pretty hard to beat. <P> That said...last week's WAS the best Hurley-centric episode to date...even better than "Dave" which is hard to do. Poor Hugos flash backs had gotten so redundant...last week was a breath of fresh island air. <P> At least these flashbacks tonight will be from people we've never met before...which should greatly cut down on the "redundancy" factor. <P> Is it 9pm yet?

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Battlestar Galactica???

    by JLo

    Does anyone know when season 4 starts? It says March but they only shows on the calander are re-runs.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:55 a.m. CST

    CapnJack..

    by nam0krut

    CapnJack should be banned!!! HE EATS MOOSE COCK WITH BARBARA STREISAND! BAN HIM NOW!

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Last week

    by Bloo

    I thought it was good and like above mentioned a seamless transition between season finale and season opener, very similar to the S1 finale/S2 opener, I wiash they would have made it a 4 hour even, i don't know how, but done LOST: Past Present Futre followed by season3 finale followed by Season 4 premire<P>Really looking forward to this episdoe, I read the spoilers above because I know that it wuld stop me from enjoying the show and wow, I think this one is going to be AWESOME!

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10 a.m. CST

    Season premieres

    by luis1210

    The second season premiere was kinda crappy, we had to wait a lot to see Jack & Co enter the hatch. Same hatch they were trying to open for months and months. On the other hand the third season premiere was excellent, no complains there. This one, however, was too good. I loved it.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:02 a.m. CST

    by critch

    Aren't they waiting on the writers strike to End for Galactica to start again? /crosses fingers for this weekend.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:06 a.m. CST

    the strike ending this weekend

    by Bloo

    would be GREAT, but does anyone have an idea of how long a break we'd have to wait, if the strike ended this weekend and production on new shows started

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Adam & Eve

    by Frodo T. Baggins

    I have seen every episode of Lost of not often read theories and do talkbacks about it. Can someone tell me where and what this Adam and Eve jargon is about? Plus, why isnt KATE is more movies? Am I the only one that still wants to pee in her butt?

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Type-O City

    by Frodo T. Baggins

    My B

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Bloo

    by critch

    Most shows run on a 4 week lagtime for production, which means if it's resolved this weekend, Lost would finish the season without any skip, same with Terminator, Galactica would still be on track for spring, and Heroes would be back in late March. Pleasepleaseplease

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:11 a.m. CST

    One of the best TV series

    by veritasses

    The overall story arc might (arguably) be "slow" but the pacing of each episode is tight. The stories, writing, characters, acting, directing etc are all great. Plus it's one of the few dramas that both genders from all walks of like can enjoy.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:28 a.m. CST

    I'm a Lost hater...

    by MisterE

    I really started disliking this show mid-Season 2, but have continued to watch. I thought that last week's season premiere was pretty darn good. It was a lot better than last year's premiere, at least.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Gave it a Shot Last Week...

    by BoggyCreekBeast

    But am giving up on Lost again.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Kate we have to go baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack

    by Pipple

    yeah jack, dragging out the word's going to convince her for sure to go back to through the rabbit hole.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Galactica Web site

    by JLo

    It says it's suppose to start back up in March and from what I've heard they have the first half of the season finished.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:45 a.m. CST

    LOST > all other serial dramas on TV!

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    It makes The X-Files look like Howdy Doodie! <p>Season 1 of the new Battlestar Galactica was GREAT...but it doesn't really fit as a "serial drama." There just hasn't been a serial drama that has ever compared with LOST! </p> Well, we can relish in seven more weeks of LOST! Then we have to pray for an end to that damn Writer's Strike. Funny, but I didn't care about the strike until I realized that LOST might only air 8 shows if the strike isn't quickly resolved! Now, I want the pope or Congress to intervene!

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:45 a.m. CST

    season 3 started slow

    by zooch

    season 4 did not.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Season 3 didn't start slow

    by Jor-El23

    People just freaked out because there were only 6 episodes before a 2 1/2 month hiatus. Because of that viewers put a lot of weight on those 6 episodes. They expected way too much from them because it was all they were going to get for 2 1/2 months. Rewatch season 3 again on DVD if you can, it's strong from start to finish.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Agent Johnson re: Lost Burnout

    by TrumpyEatsPotatoes

    Completely agree. I experienced that between seasons 2 and 3--I was expecting the Swan explosion to have all sorts of immense and immediate consequences, e.g. tons of people would start arriving the island, at least 2 or 3 characters would be killed etc. By the time "Tale of Two Cities" came on, I had the entire season 3 plot arc mapped out in my head... Not saying they did a bad job--I think they've been on top of it--but when you spend 4 months imagining the BEST! STORY! EVER! you can't help but be disappointed.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 11:10 a.m. CST

    thanks critch

    by Bloo

    that's what I thought the lag was...man please let the strike end this weekend

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Hand it to ABC for once

    by Rex Havok

    This season's premier worked really well because the viewers had been teased for weeks and months about the rescue. The mourning for Charlie had almost been lost because the viewers had months to get over it. So when we saw Hurley's reaction, it was very fresh and raw. The promos and teasers for this show usually suck because so many things are presented out of context but the marketing department did a great job this time. How many times can you say that?

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 11:41 a.m. CST

    according to IMDB

    by Bloo

    Slater was in Bobby which was the emilo estevez moive on Robert Kennedy

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 11:42 a.m. CST

    opps

    by Bloo

    wrong talkback sorry ya'll

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Theme from last week's show

    by Youguysgotanymilk

    The Clash---Should I Stay or Should I Go----"If I go there will be trouble, an' if I stay it will be double"

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Lawnmower Man/ Body parks guy is in this?

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    I've definately got to see this. Fahey is the king of DTV, which is a shame because he's a great actor. He is one of the few actors who can make DTV watchable.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Body Parts

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    stupid typos/no edit button

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Val Klimer as KITT

    by SimpleSandwiches

    Changing the subject: ComingSoon.net says Arnett's out, Kilmer's in?<p>http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=41709</p>

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Uh yeah, try going to the other talkback.

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 11:53 a.m. CST

    The Knight Rider talkback is in the top ten

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    so high tail it over there Simple.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Ah ha!

    by SimpleSandwiches

    I should try reading more often. Srry!

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Don't read the above post.

    by PirateEmery

    Ok, that calls for a ban...

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 12:24 p.m. CST

    burying

    by PirateEmery

    Burying the spoiler post.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 12:24 p.m. CST

    burying

    by PirateEmery

    Burying the spoiler post.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 12:24 p.m. CST

    burying

    by PirateEmery

    Burying the spoiler post.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 12:27 p.m. CST

    *Shovels...

    by TrumpyEatsPotatoes

    ...another scoop of dirt on top of the spoiler post.*

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 12:27 p.m. CST

    captain dickhead strikes again

    by Maximus Prime

    what a wanker

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Captain Jackoff

    by Chevron_Engaged

    Some one ban him now please. Is there an echo in here?

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 12:40 p.m. CST

    by Lone_Gunman

    i will dust off my 9mil beretta and whack capn jack up close.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 12:41 p.m. CST

    capn jack

    by Lone_Gunman

    fucker loves attention ignore him n he'll be off sucking his mama tits.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Agent Johnson, I'm with you buddy...

    by mymonkeysnameisjennifer

    I thought this season's opener was the best yet, so many incredible beats were nailed (and much kudos to Foxy and Garcia for acting their socks off). This show feels like it knows where it's finish line is now, and with the combination of flashbacks and/or forwards it can pretty much do anything now. Can't wait to see where it goes from here on.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Back to Lost...

    by Lone_Gunman

    enjoyed last week esp, but didnt exactly leap out and shout whaddafuck just went hmmmm half expected maybe abit more. Interesting to see that Juliet went off with locke and not try and persuade Jack to come seeing they have been close buddies from 2nd half of season 3.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 12:47 p.m. CST

    by Lone_Gunman

    they would be 6 ft under. Can see you're a trier...a stupid one thou.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Capn Jack

    by Lone_Gunman

    they would be 6 ft under. Can see you're a trier...a stupid one thou

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Must be...

    by Frank Black

    the same asshat that ruined last year's finale. There is no point in posting a play by play other than to ruin the experience for people. People may want to read it because they can't wait or they are tempted but they shouldn't. CapnJack is in a position that he either gets screeners and hates the show and wants to ruin it for others or he is involved in production or works for ABC and should be fired quick-like.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Yaargh. I'll be working

    by SlickyVonBoner

    ...but there's always ABC online, the question is, how long does it take for them to put new episodes online? Can't wait for this one.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Slicky

    by Bloo

    I know it's up by Fri morning on abc.com that's how I watched last weeks episode for the same reason, i don't think it hits itunes till after it's aired in Hawaii

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 1:13 p.m. CST

    BSG > Lost

    by irrelevntelefant

    *stirs the pot*

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 1:21 p.m. CST

    BSG<LOST

    by Chevron_Engaged

    Bsg is awsome, but lost is a cultural event unlike anything else.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 1:21 p.m. CST

    what part of America gets lost first??

    by Maximus Prime

    and how long is it for the rest of you'se to get it??

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Evangaline lilly is my future wife.

    by Pipple

    When lost started, I watched it because she was so hot and wore prettymuch just panties and a bra for the first season, then i realized the show was good too... panties and bra...

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 1:23 p.m. CST

    never saw BSG

    by Maximus Prime

    but I have heard good reports about it..would you guys advise me to invest a few pounds and get it...how many seasons is it???

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 1:41 p.m. CST

    MP

    by rbrog77

    East coast and Central time zone (Chicago, Dallas) gets it at the same time (9/8). Mountain time (Denver) also comes on at 8, which is an hour later. West coast gets it 3 hours after the east coast, or at 9 their time.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 1:46 p.m. CST

    The flash-forwards help

    by zooch

    They feel like they are actually moving the story forward. Some of the flashbacks last season were starting to get tiresome.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 1:48 p.m. CST

    flashbacks from the future, or flashbacks from the past?

    by punto

    there's a difference. I fact, I think it was clear from last episode that the flash forwards don't really, since we already know what happens in the future, so what's the point of building all that tenesion about wether or not they contact the rescuers?

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Buh-Bye

    by Bill Brasky

    Mitt Romney, Buh-Bye...

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 2:10 p.m. CST

    cheers rb

    by Maximus Prime

    would want to be on here and from the west cost later on..spoiler central

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Darlton sure loves recycling the enigmatic character archetype

    by Sick Fixx

    First with Eko, then with Ben, then with Desmond, now with Abaddon.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Romney

    by oisin5199

    what an idiot. "I quit because if I didn't, the terrorists would win." Uh-huh. Don't let the door hit you on the ass.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 2:12 p.m. CST

    BSG @ Museum of TV & Radio

    by irrelevntelefant

    'bout 2 years ago they had a night with the creators and stars<p>the most memorable thing was Edward James Olmos said that if he was relageted to only working in Sci-fi (on par with BSG) for the rest of his career he would be more than happy. <P> he followed that by saying that if someone had asked him pre- BSG if he would ever consider being in a remake of BSG, he said likely not. <p> what sold him on the series was when he received the script, he had no idea it was BSG as the first 2 pages before the title page were a mission statement from the shows creators about what they wanted to do with the show, and the level and depth of characters and storylines they wanted to acheive. if the first thing he saw was 'Battlestar Galactica', he would not have read it and just declined....<P> Season 4 (the final season) starts in April

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 2:13 p.m. CST

    And please...

    by Sick Fixx

    No multiple one word sentences to sum up the supposed awesomeness of the cliffhanger or final words at the end of tonight's broadcast. Multiple one word sentences of awesomeness have so jumped the shark.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 2:13 p.m. CST

    capn jack & Agent johnson

    by maxwell's hammer

    Get over it people...that stuff has been posted on Lostpedia for months now, and I've managed not to read it. You can usually see a plot synopsis based on the first few lines. Once you do that, just scroll past it. Do you know how much effort it takes to actually sit and read that whole thing? If you read it, its because you really wanted to. Don't shit on Capn Jack because he thinks its funny watching people with no self-control ruin the fun of watching an episode fresh.<BR> <BR> Also, Agent Johnson, I think the key to enjoying the payoffs to the LOST mysteries is to admit that whatever you think is automatically going to be wrong. I speculated about what was going to be in the hatch, but instead of trying to come up with a 'Perfect Scenario', I just realized that whatever was in there was going to be a surprise, which it was, and I enjoyed the hell out of it. I hate all these people (not you, Agent J) that shout and scream about what they think should happen, and then bitch when that doesn't happen.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Example:

    by Sick Fixx

    Ben. Is. Badass. or That. Was. Awesome. I hate that shit almost as much as 'teh', 'taht' and 'pwned'.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 2:18 p.m. CST

    They should have a real life celebrity written into the show

    by Sick Fixx

    to wash up on shore. That would raise so many new storyline possibilities. Say, for instance, Jake Gyllenhaal or Hasslehoff or Lindsay Lohan or Bill O'Reilly just found their way onto the island and became an ongoing character. At the very least, there should be a character who's a talk radio host join the Losties.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 2:35 p.m. CST

    As long as they show her in the process

    by Sick Fixx

    of doing it, I'm fine with that. :D

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 2:38 p.m. CST

    I bet Naomi knew Libby

    by skywalkerfamily

    That's her sister.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 2:39 p.m. CST

    paris has people ...

    by irrelevntelefant

    who crap for her... <p> no way she is going to dirty her own ass<p> pwned

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Thanks irrelevntelefant BSG

    by JLo

    Are you sure about BSG starting in April? It does not surprise me,I'm just a little dissapointed. I had cable hooked up just so I wouldn't miss the new season. I got half way through season 3 on iTune and they cut it off. I then had to switch to amazon.com to just get the last half.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 3:56 p.m. CST

    BSG could be march

    by irrelevntelefant

    not soon enough for me...

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 4:02 p.m. CST

    April 4th it is BSG

    by JLo

    I just read some artical that said Friday April 4th. I'll believe it when I see it at this point. They keep pushing it back.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 4:06 p.m. CST

    why

    by cpl1976

    is it so important for people to spoil things.Power? I have been reading things on this site for a while and I really hate it when people ruin things like that. Give it a twit man? write something that makes us want to watch the show, without giving too much away. Save that non inventive bragging for sites made for meatball heads.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Lost series ending *spoiler*....

    by irrelevntelefant

    Jack wakes up with Baily, Julia, Claudia and Sarah standing over him. Apparantly it was all a dream, his name is really Charlie Salinger and he took about 4 hits of shrooms 3 days prior<p> he gets up to take a shower and finds SAND IN HIS ASS CRACK!!!

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Adama/ Caprica Six '08

    by irrelevntelefant

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Adama/ Caprica Six '08

    by JLo

    I hope they make it back in 08'

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Why the hell did I even read that? Fuck me in the ass hole

    by GimpInMyPants

    I read up until where it said Naomi gets a flashback. I knew I should have avoided this place.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Dont ever come here!!

    by JLo

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Dont ever come here!!

    by JLo

    If you don't want to know what happens especially in the Talk Back that just plain crazy.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Weakest season premiere

    by Bob of the Shire

    Was the Season 3 opener. The big reveal of the Others camp was handled exactly like the reveal of the hatch, so we saw it coming from a mile away. And the rest of the episode was boring as hell, foreshadowing the low quality of the rest of the first half of season three. <br> <br> I agree that the season four opener wasn't the best ever, but it was a solid episode and made me eager for more. Abaddon, the "we have to go back" plot, more Jacob goodness, and rain-soaked Kate made for an intrigueing hour of television. It didn't blow my dick off but it was better than anything from the first half of season three and on par the series usual quality. Here's hoping it keeps it up. <br> <br> Oh, and anyone saying Lost is the best drama on TV must be relatively new to the medium. The Shield and The Wire are the most obvious examples of shows that severely outclass Lost in the writing and acting categories.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Rerunning Season premeire tonight, right?

    by theBigE

    I think they're rerunning last week's season 4 opener an hour before the new episode, right? If you missed it, tune in!

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Ignore You know who and his posts

    by theBigE

    If I see that turdball's name in the posts, I skip right over whatever he's got to say. People like that have low self-esteem issues, they have to piss others off to feel important. Ignore him, and he'll go away.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 4:58 p.m. CST

    problem with the shield and the wire

    by aestheticity

    theyre cop shows. narrowly defined genre there. i dont watch cop shows because i outgrew fetishising the police before i was ten. you could sublimely write and act a series about binmen. lost is a show that spans genres and thus has broad appeal.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Homicide was a great cop show

    by irrelevntelefant

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Always Sunny in Philadelphia...

    by irrelevntelefant

    Funniest frakkin show on TV!

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Lost / BSG tie in

    by irrelevntelefant

    BSG finally finds the 13th colony... AND IT'S THE LOST ISLAND!!<p>I should be a frakkin writer... on strike

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Capn Jack's Revenge!!

    by maxwell's hammer

    I still can't get over some of you people! To read all of those spoilers he posts, you have to consciously sit down and focus and read through several highly descriptive paragraphs. How hard is to avoid that!<BR> <BR> It's like spoiling a book by reading the last chapter first and then saying: "Fuck you William Faulkner for putting the ending in this book!"<BR> <BR> Although I'm not sure too much William Faulkner gets read in these talkbacks. Maybe I should have said Timothy Zahn or Dr. Seuss.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Celeb

    by edshrinker

    I kinda like that idea.but only if it's Shatner. Everyting is better with a little Shatner. Jack......the .......Hatch! Itsgoingtoimplode!

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Shatnerese

    by edshrinker

    Shatner is actually a dialect, isn't it? Like a southern accent, except you.........pause........for.........reasonthentalkrealquick. Ah shit me doing that is like that Bionic Woman chick trying NOT to sound British. Or Amanda Tapping trying to.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Boring premiere

    by My Pretty Pony

    I expected a lot more action. Hurley doing a cannonball into the water was pretty cheesy. I'm also tired of seeing Hurley in a mental institution and Jack as an alcoholic. Couldn't they have come up w/ something more original than that for Jack? I'll continue to watch "Supernatural" live and just record "Lost", but I may have to give up on the show completely if it doesn't start to improve.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Episodes...

    by edshrinker

    For the one who asked earlier, I think one one producers of LOST mentioned if they could gear up and restart production by the end of February (and they are READY) they could spit out 5 or 6 more eps but not a complete 16 ep season. I know I read it from a producer but I can't cite it to back it up. I hope I'm way off and we can get 8 more. And the season 4 opener was just WAY too anticipated. Too long of a break. There is no way they could match expectations. But they moved the story along with another awesome flash forward, a beloved dead character makes an appearance and we know it was real in some sense since a co-patient saw him too (that was a slight WTF moment), we get a Ben Smack (thanks Danielle!), "I'm not quite dead yet" Naomi (best Monte Python accent), wet Kate, Locke Smack (thanks Jack! "click" -tilts head), a camp divided, Claire's quivering lips (oh boy...there is somewhere else to go with that), Jacob/Christian/eyeballs in the creepy cabin...that vanishes at the count of 3, and on and on and on. Some of you had some SERIOUS freakin expectations if that wasn't at least a B+ episode. Loved it. Tonight will be better. New drinking game...take a shot every time someone lands a punch. Whew.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Edshrinker...The Co-Patient...

    by Cheif Brody

    What if HE'S not really there either? He was playing Connect 4 with Hurley, too...but the nurse never aknowleged him when she brought over Hugo's meds. What if he's merely Hurley's new "Dave"? <P> See ya'll tomorrow...Enjoy it!!

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 6:04 p.m. CST

    CS Lewis

    by edshrinker

    Charlotte Staples Lewis. What about CS Lewis' works could connect to LOST? I've read all his major Christian work but none of Narnia - and I assume that something in there is a hint about the island. There is a Christian book called The Great Divorce where he wrote about a group of people who were caught in a Hell of their own making, repeating some of the same dreary choices and mistakes from life and the kicker was at the end, God offered them a chance to leave yet none of them would. They were unwilling to leave a reality they knew due to fear, arrogance, stubbornness - so they settled for the Hell they knew instead a Heaven that was an unknown. Terrible summary...that book just came to mind crossing LOST and CS Lewis.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Brody

    by edshrinker

    Great point. Hell, the whole institution could be an illusion and he's lithiumed into a straightjacked drooling idiot in a padded cell. But these writers are so damned clever, they wouldn't throw in that patient acknowledging Charlie only to say, oh, yea that guy was a hallucination too. I think that was a purposeful clip - showing that at least "something" is appearing to Hurley. To the other patient, I guess he could have looked like anyone - but to Hurley he looked like Charlie. I gotta believe that was written like that to solidify the fact it wasn't just imagined.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 6:19 p.m. CST

    You too Brody

    by edshrinker

    God knows I'll enjoy it. Though I was just wondering how cool it would be to just wake up in 2010 and be able to watch it all commercial free/back to back and have it all unfold. Just think about the 8 or 9 year old, too young to really get into it, turn 12 or so in 2010 and get the box set on Green-Ray/laser/HD microholodisk, and get to watch it all unfold, start to finish. Lucky Fuck.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 6:32 p.m. CST

    edshrinker: clive staples

    by freydis

    not charlotte. jack to his friends. interesting idea about the great divorce... doubt it's an intentional allegory but there's a lot of parallels there

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Fuck! why did I read the spoiler!

    by GQtaste

    I never do that and now i"m pissed off. I know better than to come this page before the show comes on. But I was dissapointed with the season opener.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 6:54 p.m. CST

    "Cop shows"

    by Bob of the Shire

    I didn't watch The Shield for years because that's exactly what I thought, that it was just a "cop show" and it's gimmick was that it was gritty. I could not have been more fucking wrong. It isn't about genre or scope, those are things irrelavent to a shows quality. Labeling The Shield or The Wire as simply "cop shows" shows how ignorant you are to those programs. They're working on and exploring levels of storytelling and character that Lost doesn't even attempt. <br> <br> I love Lost (and BSG) too, the first season of Lost is one of the best television history IMO. But The Shield, specifically, raised the bar on what I thought possible for the television medium in terms of acting and writing. It took me a long time to put aside my ignorant notion that it was just another cop show and actually give it a fair shot, and I hope everyone else does the same. If you have any interest in television and the potential it holds, The Shield, The Wire, and The Sopranos are required viewing. I don't think you can honestly bring an informed opinion to the discussion until you've viewed each.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 7:05 p.m. CST

    freydis

    by edshrinker

    The new character on LOST who lands on the island tonight is named Charlotte. Charlotte Staples Lewis is her full name in the press release. Its a clue, but how?

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 7:12 p.m. CST

    hurley is actually fatter

    by krycek08

    watching last weeks episode

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 7:15 p.m. CST

    ohhhhhh

    by freydis

    forgive my ignorance. seems like it can't be a complete accident (staples isn't exactly a name that springs to mind)... I wonder what she'll be like, if it'll follow the Locke/Rousseau model of vaguely resembling the philosophy they're named after or what

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Charlotte Staples Lewis =

    by StuckinthePresentPaused

    CS Lewis = Chronicles of Narnia maybe has something to do with the wardrobe

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Agent Johnson

    by edshrinker

    What!!!??? I'm expecting them to come out with that holomicrodisc that interacts with an atatomically correct body suit with "RealFeal"(tm) that, when watching as Sawyer in season 3 you feel Kate's sweet twat grinding into as you dig in for leverage in the Bear cage. Or be Jack and have ripped up knuckles from pummeling everyone. Or be Ben and know what it feels like to be a punching bag by several of the Losties. And HoloClaire's lips will quiver...not just the ones on that cute face either (HAD to say it -God I love that girl). My "RealFeel" Suit(tm) now has a short in it in a very sensitive place. Stupid future crap. HERE WE GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 8:27 p.m. CST

    Naomi doesn't have a sister!!!

    by edshrinker

    So it was a fucking code!!! That bitch. Why didn't she just fuck em up front, why all the codes? And Sawyer to Ben, "You're wasting your time Yoda". And now a Ben Smacking. Lovin this, by God!!

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 8:30 p.m. CST

    "I don't know...

    by edshrinker

    ...How stupid are ya?" -Jack Goddamn that was sweet!

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 8:31 p.m. CST

    How stupid are ya?

    by jimmy rabbitte

    ...love how they brought that one full circle.<p> Davies is the new Walken.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Hmmm

    by clockpolitiks

    These guys don't seem to be part of dharma or anything. They almost seem to be paranormal or dharma....fanboys? I think they just wanted to find the island because they all seem interested in the paranormal, and we all know that the island is chock full of that shit.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 8:41 p.m. CST

    'THat's your problem, we don

    by MeshGearFoxx

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 8:42 p.m. CST

    that's your problem, we don't want to be found

    by MeshGearFoxx

    great line by locke. This episode is going to open a ton of questions. great so far

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Charlotte and her freckles

    by edshrinker

    Makes me yearn for some hot, wet freckles on freckles action. They both got that baseball hat, sexy tomboy look with a smokin hot athletic body. And THAT is an English accent. Yummy. Talk dirty to me Charlotte baby. Or just read me some CS Lewis. Uhhh - scratch that last one, I don't need any more guilt.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 8:45 p.m. CST

    fanboys

    by MeshGearFoxx

    that's a good point clockpoltiks. Charlotte seems to be interested by dharma, daniel was crying at the news of locating the plane. Not sure about mr sixth sense.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Explain this shit to meeeeeeeeeeeeeee

    by Pipple

    i missed the first 30 minute and now im all confuse ooooooooooooh

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 8:50 p.m. CST

    oh shit ben!

    by Pipple

    Wowwwww damnit man, no... she was kinda hot...

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Ben Goddamn it!!!!

    by edshrinker

    That is one fucked up dude!!! Pop Pop... thump. He is SERIOUS about protecting that island to shoot a stranger in cold blood. But wait...here come THE PICTURE!!!!!

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 8:54 p.m. CST

    "LOST is the best show on TV"

    by ebonic_plague

    No. That's The Wire. Sorry. This might be trolling but it's also stone carved objective truth. I'm sure Lost is better than a lot of other network tv, it even has Major Daniels in it now, but clarification was in order. Carry on.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Dude

    by edshrinker

    IT IS NOT 10 minutes til 10 already!!!!! THAT is the mark of a great show. I'm so frustrated...I want a marathon, by God. So into it the time just slips by.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Ok, fuck it

    by br1947

    I'm not trying to figure this shit out anymore, I'm just along for the ride at this point. I swear if there is not a good, I mean REALLY, REALLY DAMNED GOOD explaination to all of this... I'm tracking down JJ Abrams and kicking him in the balls.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 8:57 p.m. CST

    daniel faraday

    by MeshGearFoxx

    is neil patrick harris

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9 p.m. CST

    Wait for it.......

    by edshrinker

    THERE IT IS!!! We're here for Benjamin Linus

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:01 p.m. CST

    Too many new characters

    by Sick Fixx

    There's already been a character named Danny on here, and I thought his name originally was supposed to be Minkowski. And wasn't he originally supposed to be played by Fisher Stevens? Jeff Fahey's character will probably die before the end of the season. The Asian guy will probably be the only new character with long term potential.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:02 p.m. CST

    Do these people have one extra life left?

    by Pipple

    Shot, stabbed, but they can get back up again and keep moving. This show's officially jumped the shark I guess.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:02 p.m. CST

    I would like to say just a few words about this episode

    by rbrog77

    HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT!!!!<p> Thank you for reading.<p> ;->

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:03 p.m. CST

    ...because

    by edshrinker

    I have a man on their boat" "thump" LOST

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:03 p.m. CST

    ok I've got all the names accounted for except Straume

    by freydis

    any guesses? anyone?

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:04 p.m. CST

    "That's not naomi, that's just meat"

    by clockpolitiks

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:05 p.m. CST

    pushed enter on accident

    by clockpolitiks

    But yea, anyone else catch that? Weird.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Fantastic episode.

    by Shermdawg

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:06 p.m. CST

    What does the boat remark even mean?

    by Sick Fixx

    I'm so tired of the vague cliffhangers this show leaves us on. Does he mean one of his Others has captured the boat or that he took one of their crew members hostage?

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:08 p.m. CST

    The boat remark...

    by seanny_d

    means that he has a mole on the boat. I thought that was pretty much self explanatory.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:09 p.m. CST

    That's not Neil Patrick Harris

    by Sick Fixx

    It's the douche from Secretary. Also, the retard from Ravenous and Charles Manson from NBC's Helter Skelter.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:10 p.m. CST

    jeff fahey is still awesome

    by captain_kirk

    I'm still pissed ABC canceled The Marshall, so seeing him back on ABC makes me smile. He will definitely add a lot to the show now. It would appear that Minkowski is the traitor, as he was unavailable on the boat. Obviously, it could be any of the people, including the ones who are on the island. One question I have is this: why did Naomi think they'd find the survivors on the island?

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:10 p.m. CST

    No, it wasn't self explanatory

    by Sick Fixx

    Lost is a lot like that sorta kinda girlfriend that shows you a hint of pleasure every now and then, but mostly keeps you on your toes waiting for something that benefits you.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:12 p.m. CST

    THIS EPISODE BLEW ME AWAY

    by kyle051554

    'Nuff said. My God, answers, questions, twists, action, I cannot believe how good this episode was!

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Interesting....

    by Mr. Profit

    Another good episode that improved on last week. The pilot dead in the water reminded me of the graphic Spanish newscasts my grandmother watched on Telemundo. All of the acting was good. The flashbacks are interesting. And the reveals were great. I ant wait to see how this changes. BTW Kristen Bell should have done Lost instead. Charlotte could have looked hotter if it were Bell. I'm hooked and I hope this show continues the pace.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Others on the outside

    by KandiSlayer

    Was it established that Ben and company had people on the outside when we first met Juliet?

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:14 p.m. CST

    boat

    by MeshGearFoxx

    When Miles phoned back to the boat, the guy he was looking for wasn't available - likely that Ben's person forced the woman to say that so the Others might have control of the boat already.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Jack better hope Locke doesn't get a fix on that chopper

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    I'd love to see Locke blow that fucking jackass smile of his right of his face by turning that copter into TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:16 p.m. CST

    You mean to tell me we could have had Kristen Bell...

    by Sick Fixx

    over ferret face???

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Ben's Mole

    by Yo Yo Ma

    How about Michael? I would think the mole is someone we already know in the lost universe....

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Continuity Error?

    by Mr. Profit

    Can someone please tell me what the supposedly glaring continuity error was tonight? I kept reading about it but I wanted to remain spoiler free. Can one of the more eagle eyed fans tell me?

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Kyle

    by edshrinker

    From what I've read...it's only going to get exponentially better! Whoa. No show on TV ever except maybe Farscape due to my complete geekdom and the 4th and 5th season of Angel has done this to me. BSG is right there too. Oh - Babylon 5 Seasons 2-4 ...that story arc was fuckin AWESOME!

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Benjamin Linus - hero or douche?

    by Spacejockey426

    I have had it with all you people who slam Ben incessantly. Use your brains, dammit. Like Ben, who is a master manipulator, you are being manipulated to hate him. Is there not one of you who will stop for a moment and THINK that he might be right about all this? Yes, his methods are Machiavellian, but he only resorted to ordering his people to kill when things started getting out of control. Before that there was intimidation and espionage – but the Others never killed anyone, did they? That didn’t stop our castaways from doing so, however. Think before you write capriciously . . . . . . . . and feel free to tell me how this show has jumped the shark? It’s a big mystery being revealed slowly over as many seasons as it will air. Perhaps some episodes may not be quite as compelling as others, but come on! We're seeing some of the best writing, acting, and production the medium has ever seen . . . . . . . . and of course, if you don’t like it, then you’re free to get lost . . . .

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:18 p.m. CST

    I'm not surprised if the "man on the boat"...

    by Christopher3

    Turns out to be Mikhail.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:22 p.m. CST

    thought this episode was bloody awesome

    by mthrndr

    5 stars. *Spoilers* We learn <br> -why everyone thinks there were no survivors (we didn't know why for sure before now) <br> -that the downed plane in the ocean doesn't contain any of the people on the island (burying forever the 'purgatory' and 'twin' theories) <br> -why, in broad strokes, the new team is there <br> -that the new team is pretty much in the dark as to the true motives of the bad black dude <br> -that at least some of the team members are trying to figure out what Dharma is from the outside.<br> -there is a definite spiritual aspect of the show. It seemed pretty clear in his flashback that Miles at least THOUGHT he was talking to a dead kid, and it showed him the hidden money. <br> We don't know:<br> -what the polar bear was doing in tunisia<br> -WHY they want Ben so bad<br> -if the team truly is that bad<br> -Is ben wanted for the murder of the dharma team? If they wanted him so bad, why do they keep up with the food drops?<br> There are still a million questions, but I thought they did a GREAT job introing these people as good characters and fleshed out a lot of answers about why they're there. some final questions:<br> -why so matter of fact that the guy couldn't come to the phone, as if he was calling his friend from his house instead of a tropical island field<br> -why did Daniel cry at the beginning (and did his wife call him Sam?) Is he an "ESP" sensitive physicist or something? What does "not scatter quite right" mean?

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:22 p.m. CST

    I say Michael is his guy on the boat.

    by Murraypalooza

    Yup.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:23 p.m. CST

    minkowski

    by freydis

    in my opinion is the more interesting name drop, as hermann minkowski developed systems with which to do some complicated thing about space-time. "Henceforth space by itself, and time by itself, are doomed to fade away into mere shadows, and only a kind of union of the two will preserve an independent reality." which seems relevant.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Meet Kevin Johnson

    by Yo Yo Ma

    The name of the Michael episode is Meet Kevin Johnson, is Kevin Johnson the guy on th boat?????

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:24 p.m. CST

    So it's pretty much confirmed they are lost in time?

    by Professor_Snarf

    The dharma polar bear is found unearthed in an archelogical dig in Tunisa. The atmosphere has no pollution so the light doesn't scatter. The reason having children on the island is so important. The reason they didn't want to take a "native" back with them. The reason there is a list with good people on it. Why there's no radio transmissions or airplanes flying overhead. That island exists before humanity. If you travel back in time and create a society, then you control and mold human civilization itself. Anyway that was one of the best episodes of the series.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:24 p.m. CST

    Minkowski

    by StuckinthePresentPaused

    Ben's guy on the boat is probably going to be someone prominent and since the only casting we have heard of that hasnt been seen yet is minkowski and he is on the boat i'd assume it is him for now

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:24 p.m. CST

    Ben's man on the boat is....

    by BetaRayBill07

    Minkowski. Put money on it. And yes I understand he's the leader of these dharmaphiles or whatever.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:25 p.m. CST

    could kevin johnson be

    by freydis

    a new assumed name for michael? (wouldn't make much sense to return to civilization and try to pick up where you left off) ...which would still make michael the man on the boat. which personally I'd be happy with.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Man on the boat is Michael.

    by Yoda's Ball Sack

    You know this to be true...........

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Or, here's another one...Ben's man on the boat is....

    by BetaRayBill07

    Richard. Alpert. Where's he been lately? Huh? HUH?

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:27 p.m. CST

    The little man in the boat

    by Lurker Johnson

    is usually in the lady's underpants.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:27 p.m. CST

    It's not Mikhail.

    by sjlm90

    He was too busy killing Charlie, and it had to be someone that the boaties have been with for a good while. I definitely think that's it's our Mikey. And yeah, great episode. The end.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Yoda

    by BetaRayBill07

    Right on there me thinks. Michael's on that freighter.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Who is Minkowski

    by Yo Yo Ma

    Sorry for asking, I hope this is not a dumb question but who is Minkowski????

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Jack's a crybaby jackass

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    That's why people hate him. Instead of stopping to think about a situation like Locke, he just waves a gun around and gets all teary eyed. He's not even near as tapped into the island as Locke or even Hurley. Locke's the one people hate for no reason, other than them being narrowminded dumbasses who need a "badguy" to hate, so they picked Locke since he was the "weirdest" until Ben came along, who they chose to hate because his sheer intelligence compared to that knuckle dragging ape Jack intimidates them.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:29 p.m. CST

    they want ben dead

    by docimian

    cause, like, he killed a dozen or three darma people and tossed them in a pit then took over the island. but then the others started studying the island like the darma group were. im confused.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:30 p.m. CST

    BetaRayBill07

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    Uh, Cane, on NBC or whatever? I don't think he's a part of the show anymore.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:30 p.m. CST

    minkowski

    by freydis

    the guys who landed from the helicopter tried to get in touch with minkowski, who was on the boat, via the phone. we haven't seen him yet.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Not really a continuity error

    by mthrndr

    some people, Michael Ausiello of Tvguide included, were annoyed that no one seemed upset this episode that Charlie's dead. Come on! These people either A) think rescue is imminent, or B) Wonder what Locke is doing and who this new person is. How many people have died on this show? You have to assume that in the snippets that we see, the characters have more important things to do than cry over charlie. I'm sure they'll address his death more fully with claire later. If anyone wants to read ausiello's silly complaints, go here: http://tinyurl.com/yqk8nt

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Oops

    by Yo Yo Ma

    Sorry.....You are right...I dont know wnat I was thinking..

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:33 p.m. CST

    They want Ben dead because...

    by Professor_Snarf

    He's not native to the island.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:34 p.m. CST

    MIles?

    by StuckinthePresentPaused

    The Freighter people are there because of the island and already have information about the island. Anyone else feel the Miles is there directly to deal with Jacob

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:35 p.m. CST

    I missed the actual "doesn't scatter quite right" line

    by freydis

    what did that refer to?

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:36 p.m. CST

    interesting points...

    by captain_kirk

    first, harold perrineau was in the credits (the first time i noticed this in a while). Second, where is the location of the second cabin, if Hurley was right about it the first time? Third, where ARE the other Others? I mean, there were a bunch at camp, and Ben wanted to take them back to camp, but what have they been doing lately?

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Gonaa have to think about this one...

    by Shard Harventh

    ...then watch it again tomorrow. Are they going to continue showing last weeks episode before the new one every week? That'd be kinda alright, but it's sure a waste of airtime they could be using for new shows...sans strike of course...oh, and I totally called that about Naomi's sister being code for something...that's not bragging, that's me rendering amazement at myself for finally predicting something right about this damn show...

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:38 p.m. CST

    freydis...

    by mthrndr

    I think he was referring to the light being "strange. it doesn't scatter quite right." given that faraday is a physicist (or so he says), it seems to indicate that the island isn't normal. I'm going with the stuck in time theory. It's late 2004 on this show, but they can explain Walt being older and the snazzy phones by saying that the outside world is actually current day.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:39 p.m. CST

    But they showed Jack and Kate having a Charlie moment....

    by Mr. Profit

    In the premiere during the final scene, Kate asked Jack if she was thinking of Charlie. So obviously they are mourning his death. How can those idiots consider that a continuity error? Do people need Claire crying over a Virgin Mary statue while a montage of Charlie scenes set to Sia's Breathe Me plays in order to hammer the point across?

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:40 p.m. CST

    Eko?

    by Reasonaxe

    Did anyone notice when Miles was in the house of the woman they kept showing the pictures on the wall of the child and it looked like the actor who played young Eko in his flashbacks?

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Man on the boat

    by dynamicb

    It's Michael. It has to be. I think we will see a flashback of him in the eighth episode leading up to him being on the freighter. Ben is probably blackmailing him with information about how he killed Ana Lucia and Libby.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:43 p.m. CST

    the bending light thing....

    by captain_kirk

    just remember that light is affected by gravity. Thus, light cannot escape a black hole. A black hole. Basically, the island is in something like a black hole, magnetically or gravitationally speaking.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:43 p.m. CST

    High tech phones

    by Yo Yo Ma

    High tech phones are a give away. They gave away that the finale was a flashfoward. Jack's phone came out after 2004. However, If they are some sort of time warp...how do they got off the island. Can a helicopter move through time or worm hole?..

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:43 p.m. CST

    Node32774

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    Uh, you don't exactly want a completely rational, strictly man of science in charge on a magic healing island with fucking smoke monsters, in my opinion. And uses others for his dirty work? Did you not watch tonights episode and see how he was going to "clean up his own mess" Let me guess, your one of those people pissed that he "made" sawyer kill cooper, like he held a gun to his head. Sawyers a big boy, he can do his own thing. And why are people still arguing about Locke preventing people from getting off the island. We KNOW now that getting off the island is NOT GOOD. Or did Jack look like he was having a good time in the season 3 finale.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:43 p.m. CST

    Michael the man on the boat AND the man in the coffin

    by Mouton

    That's why Jack was so upset that he was dead, because Michael had connections to get Jack back to the island Also, maybe the Smoke Monster killed the pilot right away because he wasn't supposed to be on that plane...hmmmmm...

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:44 p.m. CST

    People hate Jack...

    by Stevie Grant

    because he's constantly overly emotional and it comes in two modes: first, teary hissy-fit mode; second, the teary 100% dedicated mode. The character is constantly crying and is a slave to his emotions. I don't get why the other characters don't listen to Sayeed or Jin more.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Reasonaxe

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    Uh not really. It was a young drug dealing boy who was murdered, so it wasn't eko. I don't think we were supposed to be lead to believe anything.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:48 p.m. CST

    I don't hate jack

    by freydis

    but I think he's (intentionally) becoming kind of insane and therefore less sympathetic... partially because he IS the rational one in an irrational situation... partly to fill out his character arc that apparently ends up with him drunk and crazy. maybe. it is a mystery why nobody listens to sayeed. sayeed rocks.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Wormhole

    by Professor_Snarf

    Probably. Remember Ben told Micheal and Walt to head is a specific direction to get off the island. Plus in the one flashback with the submarine, the passengers were sedated and made reference to the last leg being "a little bumpy" They are definately in the past. It explains how they could acquire people like Locke's dad so easily, Walt's aging, the phones, the polar bear showing up in an archaeological dig.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:52 p.m. CST

    So maybe Dharma had the island anchored

    by br1947

    and blowing the hatch made it become, as Zathras said "un-stuck in time"? That was what the flash was about, the island moving?

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:53 p.m. CST

    Locke's Missing Kidney

    by CaptainTripps

    Anyone else love that little explaination about Locke's survival of a gunshot wound? I love when they bring things full circle on this show!!!

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Think the hatch blowing

    by Professor_Snarf

    sent an energy pulse out of the wormhole, making the wormhole visible, not the island.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 9:55 p.m. CST

    The guy in question is Fisher stevens.

    by GQtaste

    at least what i'm guessing.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10 p.m. CST

    Great episode

    by TerryMalloy

    Things I liked: 1) Jeremy Davies. 2) Sawyer beating the shit out of Ben 3) All the losties being bad asses in this episode 4) The one liners by Jack and Locke respectively 5) The actor who played Miles channeling Ben Stiller 6) Locke asking Ben what the monster is

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10 p.m. CST

    Theory on the polar bear in Tunisia

    by Spacejockey426

    The island exists outside of time, or perhaps it is at (or is) the nexus of space/time . . . .

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Actually I hate those explanations

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    Locke's kidney, whatsherfaces coded message, Walt being taller. I'm not an idiot here, I don't need every little thing explained for me. I was hoping there'd be less of that this season since they would be writing most of it without viewer input, but that's didn't happen.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:07 p.m. CST

    the others drew first blood

    by nora inu

    somebody mentioned that the others didn't really starting killing till later, but what people (including, sometimes it seems, lost writers) forget is that the others killed first. ethan killed AND mutilated that steve (or scott? ;)dude way back in season one when he was trying to get the castaways to give claire back to him. this is one of the things that bugged me at times during season three when it seemed like the lost writers were trying to get us to look at the others (particularly mr. friendly among others) in a softer light. that WERE cold blooded killers and they killed FIRST. why should we have any warm feelings toward their motives other than the fact that what they are doing they believe is completely justifiable which makes them even more mistifying and fucked up if they put so much faith in ben and his commune with jacob, a leader that they appear to be accepting on faith... anyhow, fucking cool episode.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Can someone explain how exactly the island

    by TerryMalloy

    is a time warp thingy? I don't follow. I'm a moron and I apologize.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Nora Inu

    by TerryMalloy

    As a side note, I must say it was much cooler when the others seemed like they were cold-blooded killers who were almost superhuman. Remember how awesome Ethan was as a villain?

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:10 p.m. CST

    So... what shall we call the new guys?

    by br1947

    The Other Others? The Outsiders? The Sharks? If I can't know what the fuck is going on, I at least want a name! :-)

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Headache Guy

    by CaptainTripps

    I agree that the "Walt is taller" explaination is pretty lame, but I was curious to know how Locke survived getting shot. Isn't that what everybody's always bitchin about? Getting answers?

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:12 p.m. CST

    Agent Johnson

    by TerryMalloy

    I am a complete victim of the "it wasn't as cool as I imagined" disappointments. You are absolutely right. The contents of the Hatch were a major disappointment to me. Now though, I try to avoid thinking about where it can go and just enjoy it for what it is.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:14 p.m. CST

    I think the Island is a natural time warp

    by br1947

    Dharma discovered a way to anchor it in place and study it. Every 108 minutes the anchor had to be recalibrated or the island would jump to a different place/time. When the hatch blew, the whole thing started jumping again. How the boat got to the island with the helecopters.. fuck I don't know.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Dharma planted the plane?

    by tristiac

    goddamn that episode raised a bunch more mysteries and questions. another great one though. So I'm guessing that plane at the bottom of the ocean was planted there by some organization. Dharma? Certainly whoever scary black man works for. He and Naomi certainly seemed to be aware that there could have been survivors, and that the plane crashed in the pacific, not the indian ocean. Also beard man knew that that wasn't the pilot (because of his wedding ring? that seems like a dumb way to figure it out, also what news report shows decomposing bodies like that? but I digress). Also Charlotte doesn't believe the news she sees about the plane going down. I wonder how she knows. and polar bear in tunisia with a dharma collar? I can't even theorize on that one, I'll just have to wait to see how that unfolds. Anyway why go through this big show of lying? Maybe if Dharma knew the plane crashed there because of the electromagnetic anomaly thing, they didn't want the rest of the world snooping around. I mean despite the fact that all the members of Dharma who were on the island died, they still seem to be able to communicate with it. Remember that plane that dropped off food and stuff. And it would make sense that the freighter people are part of Dharma. For one, beard man referred to Juliet as a native, and Dharma was at war with the natives as we saw in Ben's flashback. Also it would make sense that they want Ben, who participated in the purge that killed off all of their people. But why would Dharma put together a group like that to go capture Ben, the great manipulator? Like Naomi said, they had no military training. What's the deal with sixth sense angry asian dude? Whats the need of sending someone who can talk to the dead? Well, if my theory about the big plane cover-up is correct, then It validates my theory as to what the Oceanic 6 are hiding from everyone. As I had previously guessed, they had to make a deal not to reveal all about the island and the people there in exchange for being taken out of the island. There will probably be some story about how they were found somewhere random, and some miraculous story about how they were able to leave the plane before it crashed. Although I still have no idea how they'll explain how a plane leaving australia to Los Angeles ended up in the Indian ocean.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:18 p.m. CST

    Juliet wasn't a native

    by br1947

    Dharma brought her to the island. I do think is was Dharma who planted the 815 wreckage, it makes sense.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Xiphos

    by TerryMalloy

    I want more Evangeline Lily in bra and panties

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:21 p.m. CST

    nora inu and Captain tripps

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    I'm not sure but did the tail section people kill any of the others before Ethan or whoever killed Steve (or Scott). And mr. tripps, I consider the smoke monster and mittelos and stuff questions that need answers, not walt being taller or the washing and drying machine in the hatch being newer than everything else or whatever. We knew locke didn't have his kidney and that the island has special healing qualities, especially for locke, so it didn't seem any big suprise to me. It just seems that they could be talking about other things during the time they waste on little details like that.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:21 p.m. CST

    If you can get a 747 to trash in the middle of the ocean...

    by br1947

    You have the resources to find a few bodies to stock it with.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Wouldn't they figure out that the corpses

    by TerryMalloy

    were not the real people on the flight? I mean, aren't there dental records and stuff? Again, I'm a moron.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Juliet

    by tristiac

    I know Juliet isn't a native, but it wasn't Dharma that brought her to the island. It was Ben and Richard Alpert and the other natives. So she was part of that group

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:23 p.m. CST

    they gave some excuse about that on the newscast

    by freydis

    said they weren't going to attempt to recover the bodies because it would be too difficult, blah blah, maybe seeing the plane and the dead hand would be closure enough for the families.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:24 p.m. CST

    Re: Wouldn't they figure out that the corpses

    by br1947

    not if it's sunk deep enough and given a few weeks for fishes to get ahold of it. Just put it somewhere where you know researchers are planning to go. It's too deep to recover the bodies, so no ID.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:25 p.m. CST

    I think the families would get closure

    by TerryMalloy

    when the news shows the DECOMPOSING BODIES OF THEIR LOVED ONES ON TV. That was just stupid.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:26 p.m. CST

    good point tristiac, you are correct

    by br1947

    I've had one to many WTF? moments.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:29 p.m. CST

    Headache

    by CaptainTripps

    Indeed there are bigger questions to be answered, but I'm a stickler for minutia. Besides they have 38 more hours to fill up, so they have time to waste on the details.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:29 p.m. CST

    br1947: I think the island is Eden

    by MGTHEDJ

    If this has been talked about forgive me, I stayed away fom these TBs last year, but it hit me tonight. Milton's "Paradise Lost." The use of all the names of authors from "The Enlightenment" era. The reason for no children surviving on the island: Eve did not give birth to a living child until after she and Adam left Eden. That would also explain the statue from season 2. A civilization before Egypt and Tigris-Euphrates River valley, that either was on the island or acknowlaged the existence of the island as a sacred place.-----later----m

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:29 p.m. CST

    Michael on the freighter

    by maxwell's hammer

    I just don't see it. I mean, they could have left out some vital scenes at the end of Season 2, but I thought we saw most of what went down between Michael and Ben. Michael brought Ben the people on the list, and then kind of demanded to now be let go, and was surprised when he was given a boat and told to head out. Then he was gone. When in that exchange did Ben set up some kind of espionage mission for Michael?<BR> <BR> Also, Ben wasn't surprised that there was a freighter last season. he was surprised that someone from the freighter (Naomi) had found the island without him knowing about it. The way he immediately set out to talk to Jack was completely fits nicely with the fact that he knew there was a freighter the whole time, but now that one of them (Naomi) found the island, he has to go and do some negotiating with Jack to neutralize her.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:33 p.m. CST

    "Minkowski Space"

    by Chewbroccoli

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minkowski_space. Any coincidence? In physics and mathematics, Minkowski space (or Minkowski spacetime) is the mathematical setting in which Einstein's theory of special relativity is most conveniently formulated. In this setting the three ordinary dimensions of space are combined with a single dimension of time to form a four-dimensional manifold for representing a spacetime. Minkowski space is named after the German mathematician Hermann Minkowski.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:33 p.m. CST

    yea, but you'd need at least SOME remains

    by br1947

    I just think that if you have the cash & means to get a jet and dump in the ocean, surely you have the resources to grab a few homeless people to make it look good. After all, it is a tv show, not everything is completely thought out. Like Charlie drowning in a chamber with no air outlet despite the water coming in at waist level. With no where for the air to go after the water reached the porthole, it would have formed a bubble. Granted the air pressure would have killed him... but I digress...

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:33 p.m. CST

    XIphos

    by TerryMalloy

    Ok but I get Shannon

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Then where's Walt?

    by Captain Hollywood

    If Michael is on the boat, then what happened to Walt?

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:34 p.m. CST

    THE STRIKE'S OVER!!!

    by eman_1293

    But don't get too excited just yet. Head on over to LostPedia.com for more info. It's on the front page!

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:35 p.m. CST

    I love how the Losties

    by Francis Begbie

    became like the others when Jack said they had guns on the "rescuers".

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Backwards Flight

    by vmj19

    You really have to have severe directional problems to head the opposite way of LA from Sydney and crash in the Indian Ocean. So much so that I think we'll see a flash back of Oceanic 815(b) and see it was hijacked.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Question about tonight's episode

    by Kuffs

    the biggest question that no one's asked yet- how is Ben able to communicate with "his man on the boat". If you recall post hatch blowing up, all communication with the outside world was lost (as was said by RIP Tom and Mikhail). So by what means is Ben communicating with whomever is on the freighter.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:37 p.m. CST

    Node32774

    by CaptainTripps

    I was assuming that they might not finish this season due to the strike, and that they would tailor the plot to fit into the last two seasons. Assuming the do finish it though, by all means 46 more hours.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:46 p.m. CST

    Oceanic 816 Wreckage

    by wackybantha

    It seems that the wreckage was planted but why? Someone here suggested it is to families closure. I assume that means so no one would go looking for the wreckage and especially for potential survivors. All this to hide......something. I love this damn show! BEST.SHOW.EVER.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Questions...

    by ProoferFromHell

    At the beginning when they were showing the underwater wreckage of the plane, did it look like the tail section was under water, or even maybe the whole plane? I thought that the tail section ended up somewhere in the jungle. <p>Also, when Locke asked Hurley about which cabin he was talking about, I thought maybe Hurley was trying to cover the fact that he saw something in "Jacob's" cabin by referring to the airplane. Locke looked like maybe he didn't believe his explanation. Any comments would end my confusion. Thanks!

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:49 p.m. CST

    Goth Claire is hot

    by TerryMalloy

    But I'm going to add Nikki to my list

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:49 p.m. CST

    I'm awed by Ben's ability....

    by Smerdyakov

    to be punched in the head five times per episode and stay coherent. Anyone else would have been toothless and brain damaged by now. Either that or everyone hits like girls.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:50 p.m. CST

    It showed the full plane

    by br1947

    and yes, Hurley was covering

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:51 p.m. CST

    I'll trade you Shannon for Goth Claire

    by TerryMalloy

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Guess whats over?

    by Z 008

    The strike http://www.cnbc.com/id/ 23057002 Great ep, and Mikeals the inside man, hes actually a robot from the future and also every major unseen character on the show

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Ben is Rocky reincarnated

    by TerryMalloy

    Sawyer does not punch like a girl.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:54 p.m. CST

    Proofer

    by TerryMalloy

    The plane they found in the ocean is not Oceanic 815. <p> Hurley was indeed trying to cover for the fact that he saw Jacob's cabin and Locke did not believe him. </p>

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Regular Claire is fine too

    by TerryMalloy

    But she's gonna have to give up that baby. I'm not ready to be a father.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 10:59 p.m. CST

    Whoever calls it first gets to keep her

    by TerryMalloy

    Kind of like "shotgun"

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Sawyer stopped being a pussy

    by TerryMalloy

    When he killed the real Sawyer. That scene gave me serious chills.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 11:05 p.m. CST

    You know who kind of punches funny?

    by TerryMalloy

    Harrison Ford. Am I the only one that has noticed this?

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Yes

    by TerryMalloy

    The writers seem to realize that we like Locke as Colonel Kurtz and Sawyer as a bad ass. We do not like "Nickname Sawyer" who is there for comic relief. He's funny when he is actually angry. He's a dark character. Keep him dark writers!

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 11:12 p.m. CST

    Call the Number

    by mrplow

    If you really want to know why this is the best show on tv call the number at the bottom of the screen when Frank sees the crash footage.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 11:25 p.m. CST

    strike

    by vaterite

    Hey eman, I saw that about Eisner too, on Digg. Who would let Eisner make an announcement like that?

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Eisner would let Eisner make that announcement

    by TerryMalloy

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 11:34 p.m. CST

    **Crickets chirping**

    by TerryMalloy

    Where's all the talkback action tonight?

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 11:34 p.m. CST

    Season 3 was the worst premiere

    by robotdevil

    Jack in a fuckin fishtank? It was sooooooooo boring. That whole six-arc intro to season 3 was a complete misfire. I think this year's premiere was much better than last year's.

  • Feb. 7, 2008, 11:39 p.m. CST

    phaedrus...

    by maxwell's hammer

    The 6-episode arc wasn't a misfire...it was just a bitch to have to watch it one episode at a time over 6 weeks. Watching it again on DVD with no commercials and all at 6 eps at once, I thought it was good stuff.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 12:02 a.m. CST

    Headin' out to Eden... Yea Brother!!

    by da-giez

    Great Ep... gotta be Michael on the boat, but why were each of these flunkys picked?? The Pilot? Why was the 1 guy crying?? (Great Trek song too!)

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 12:22 a.m. CST

    guy who got a headache...etc

    by nora inu

    "I'm not sure but did the tail section people kill any of the others before Ethan or whoever killed Steve (or Scott)" good point. it's true that eko actually killed first as he killed his would be captors on the first night when they were trying to kidnap him (was he on jacob's list?? and what the fuck is jacob's list and why has it only been mentioned once at the beginning of season three??) but the others new there was no connection between the tailies and the main crew at that point (aside from the fact that they fell out of the same plane) so that certainly doesn't justify in any sense of the word killing steve (or scott). not that i'm letting the main crew folk get off the hook as some of them have shown a natural predilection for murder but the others clearly were the first to show that they were more cold blooded (perhaps from their perspective pragmatic?) about it.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 12:23 a.m. CST

    Better than the premiere

    by AlwaysThere

    This episode stands alone as a true start to Season 4.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 12:29 a.m. CST

    The. Best. Show. On. TV.

    by Zardoz

    Period. (and I want to be BKV and DG's love slave for writing such a great episode. Seriously. I was giddy as a schoolgirl!) And did I give Herc the idea about Jack and Kate being Adam and Eve? 'Cause I've had that theory, and posted it here since season one. So cool that Locke's alive 'cause his Daddy stole his kidney! And just how much punching can Ben take, exactly? People have been beating on him for like a month straight in island time, right? Just when I think I know what's going on with this show, I get Lost all over again!

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 12:29 a.m. CST

    Jeff Fahey

    by Samwise Ganja

    lost is obviously a "lawnmower man" prequel or a "body parts" sequel........'nuf said.....

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 12:46 a.m. CST

    Pretty pleased.

    by Novaman5000

    There are questions, definitely, but I think this pretty much solidifies in my mind that Abaddon is working for Dharma. They knew that Benjamin Linus had betrayed them to the natives... Question is, how? And if they were betrayed, why are they just acting on it now... I think it has something to do with the Station being blown up by locke, that's why the food drops stopped... But how does that station blowing up tell them about Benjamin. <p> Ausiello is crazy. Yes, Claire should be more upset, but it's not a huge continuity error like he made it seem.<p> Love the new characters. I feel like they're really interesting, weird people. Liked their flashbacks. It was kind of convenient that Charlotte could find the collar after digging for like a minute around the fossil, but, I can forgive that because the reveal of the collar was such a cool "what the fuck?!" moment. This season, I feel like, is getting more and more complicated by the second, and I love it, but I do wonder when things are going to start coming together. God I wish I could see the whole season right now!<p> Well, with the end of the strike, we'll probably get the rest of the eps this season at least, so that's good. <p>Actually, I just heard today on pretty good authority that if the strike ended by February 15th, the Lost cast would be back to shooting within 30 days. Let's hope that's true.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 12:49 a.m. CST

    Strike NOT over

    by buffywrestling

    From deadlinehollywooddaily[dot]com: <p> "A bunch of Internet sites suddenly think the writers strike is over just because Michael Eisner today says it is. Earth To Web: Eisner hasn't mattered since 2004-2005 when he was kicked to the curb by Disney and its shareholders." <p> The language hasn't even been ratified yet. The big meetings with council & members happens on Saturday and there will probably be movement AFTER that. In other words, Eisner is a tool and has been making tool statements throughout the strike. Keep in mind there is a blackout in effect and anything you hear up until deal announcement by the studios and the Guild is rumor. I hate seeing people get their hopes up only for them to be dashed like last time.À

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 1:02 a.m. CST

    The Strike

    by Leven

    Those of you saying that this week's ep was better than last week's. In a season without a strike, they would have done a 2 hour premiere. So this would have been the back half. But with only 8 ep.s in the can, ABC is strtching the calendar and filling the schedule with reruns, clip shows, and "enhanced" ep.s to try and fillthe gaps. Like the S1 Pilot. the 2 hour broadcasts are often set up as two hour long stand alones because of international markets and syndication.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 1:02 a.m. CST

    continuity error??

    by mephista1013

    the photo of the pilot on the television did not look like Greg Grunberg to me.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 1:08 a.m. CST

    SPOILER: Wanna Know Who Lives with Kate in The Future?

    by wallygogo

    Remeber the season 3 Flash Forward Finale where future Kate tells Future Jack she has to go because "he'll be wating for me." It's her son! Just before the strike they were shooting a flashforward ep with Kate and pictures surfaced of her wearing one of those pregnancy suits. This picture popped up on some fan-blog but ABC has since taken it down and denied its existence.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 1:12 a.m. CST

    That was Greg Grunberg,

    by Novaman5000

    He just had a mustache on. It was def him.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 1:14 a.m. CST

    oh, okay

    by mephista1013

    I guess I just need a better television. The stache looked weird for sure.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 1:15 a.m. CST

    also, I happened to like Locke's "Tall Walt" comment

    by Novaman5000

    I dunno, it was nice that Locke noticed it, too, and wasn't pretending that it was exactly the same Walt. It wasn't necessary, but it was a nice wink to the audience.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 1:25 a.m. CST

    Eli Stone -- Still kinda entertaining...

    by jimbojones123

    I'll order a 3rd round please.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 1:29 a.m. CST

    Harry Conick Jr. Lincoln Commercial

    by jimbojones123

    Made me vomit so bad that I vomited again 3 times while cleaning up the first round. <P> What a bunch of sick FUCKS. I'm sorry, and I try not to use that kind of language too much here but -- F U!!!! <P> I'm going to try to lift the spirits of those still suffering from the Hurricane 2.5 years ago by PIMPING A $55K TRUCK! WHAT THE HELL??? <P> The only way to help people feel better who still don't have homes and lost many of their loved ones because they had to move away after losing everything -- is to buy a truck that costs more than the combined annual income of every household attending the block party. <P> What a bunch of total DICKS. <P> Fuck Lincoln. <P> Fuck HC Jr. <P>

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 1:37 a.m. CST

    Thoughts on the Episode

    by jimbojones123

    Dharma or not, That is the question. <P> Never Cross the Beams. <P> Jack pulls the Jedi Mind Trick on Master Tracker Kate. <P> Sayied and Juliette -- They'll hook up. <P> Locke is a TOUGH MUTHAH. <P> Did they need to really hire the Lawnmower Man to do what little he did? <P> Naomi is NUTS -- They really lucked out knocking her off. She coulda started some serious shizzle. <P> WAIT A MINUTE -- DIDN'T ABBADON ASK HURLEY IF THERE WERE SURVIVORS -- Me thinks that either NONE of the Noobs make it out alive, or they pipe up REALLY tight about whats actually on they island when they file their final report. That chopper doesn't look to hold much more than 7-8 people though. I bet Sayied flys the chopper out with only the Physicist making it off the island. The other 3 Bite it.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 1:49 a.m. CST

    Assholio -- Suck it up.

    by jimbojones123

    We had ONE line out of Claire. A few nods from Hurley. We were only with "Locke's" group for about 8 minutes of the episode. I'm sure NEITHER Hurley or Claire were too interested in continuing to chat about how much they miss their little buddy. I know whenever I've had a death in the family, my wife and I didn't strike up fresh conversations every 20 minutes about how much we missed that person. Maybe we would chat about it as we were settling into bed, but not as a continuing chat while on a hike to save our lives. I'd actually think that those two would have the LEAST to say of anybody in the entire cast. What a Prissy Punk.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 1:49 a.m. CST

    Assholio -- Suck it up.

    by jimbojones123

    We had ONE line out of Claire. A few nods from Hurley. We were only with "Locke's" group for about 8 minutes of the episode. I'm sure NEITHER Hurley or Claire were too interested in continuing to chat about how much they miss their little buddy. I know whenever I've had a death in the family, my wife and I didn't strike up fresh conversations every 20 minutes about how much we missed that person. Maybe we would chat about it as we were settling into bed, but not as a continuing chat while on a hike to save our lives. I'd actually think that those two would have the LEAST to say of anybody in the entire cast. What a Prissy Punk.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 1:53 a.m. CST

    The "Ghostbuster."

    by DarthCorleone

    Funny they used that line derisively later in the episode, because that was what I derisively called him after his flashback during the commercials. I don't really have a huge problem with his character, as he made for some entertaing scenes, but I was a little thrown off by such a blatantly supernatural element in the show. After the early assurances that we would not be seeing the supernatural in Lost (and I acknowledge we've had some pretty crazy shit that could be considered "supernatural"), this seemed out of place.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 1:58 a.m. CST

    Thanks for the clarification....

    by ProoferFromHell

    About the plane and Hurley. Wonder if Locke or Ben are going to see Hurley as a problem since he can see Jacob, too. Oh, and while you guys are fighting over Claire, Kate, Juliette, whoever, I'm just gonna step over here and steal Sayid for myself, m'kay?

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 2:11 a.m. CST

    Lost is the best show out there...

    by Sackratte

    They really know how to build up this magic cliffhanger feeling with this show. I think every episode is better than most movies today. This makes this show so good... it is like one giant big blockbuster over zillion hours!

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 2:19 a.m. CST

    Locke asking Ben about The Monster...

    by Flipao

    I was half expecting him to look at the camera and wink.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 2:19 a.m. CST

    Why does Jeremy Davies look stoned in every single role ever?

    by TallBoy66

    I liked him in LOST tonight, a lot, but him doing his freaky beatnik acid-dropping routine in Rescue Dawn kind of threw me out of the movie.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 2:44 a.m. CST

    The pictures in the Ghost ladies house......

    by Merlox

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 2:45 a.m. CST

    The pictures in the Ghost ladies house......

    by Merlox

    looked a LOT like young Eko. Was it? I haven't seen that mentioned or discussed yet.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 3:20 a.m. CST

    "Everything will be explained by science"

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    Or, "nothing will be based in the supernatural," the idea that the writer guys have ever said this is an Urban Legend guys. They haven't ever said that, everybody tosses the line around and says the writers have said it since back in season 1 but it's never been true. Sorry. That would be a bitch anyway logistically, trying to tell an entertaining somewhat scifi story while being true to science? You'd have to hire a whole team of scientist fact checkers.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 3:20 a.m. CST

    "the rescuers"

    by zooch

    great casting. <br><br> So the staged plane crash was a cover up by Dharma. They say it crashed in the Indian Ocean so no one goes snooping in the Pacific. The rescuers are after Ben and hired by Dharma. Dharma is mad Ben killed everyone in the purge and ruined their research. Abbadon works for Dharma. But I don't think any of the rescuers know exactly why they are on the mission. They each have their own motives. Abbadon was insistant flight 815 didn't survive because he knows they did. <br><br> Love how Locke is saved by having no kidney. And how he questioned Ben about the monster, that's what I would have asked! Loved the Sawyer-isms, he called Locke Colonel Kurtz! Tall Walt is hilarious! He also called Ben Yoda! Everyone looked at Locke like "Uh this is the guy we are following?"

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 4:22 a.m. CST

    Someone else noticed that too, Merlox

    by theBigE

    I just got to see parts of the episode, and I can't rewatch it until Saturday, so I can't say who it was. But how would that make sense at all? Eko grew up in Africa. Did he have any US connections? Unless he was a child sponsored by Compassion Int. or another one of those overseas orphan groups.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 5:17 a.m. CST

    Sawyer can't be too dark, or he'll be judged by the island

    by Dingbatty

    or whatever. Ben is taking punches because of the island's healing factor. He recovered from spinal surgery in a jiffy. Dharma Initiave is creepy in a Tavistock Institute sort of way. Google the name and look at their website.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 5:20 a.m. CST

    Desmond and Claire

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    WHY oh why is Desmond with Jack's group and Claire with Locke's? Desmonds vision showed Claire getting on a helicopter, but she went with Locke, meaning she's not planning on getting on a helicopter. Desmond was the guy who saw Charlie DIE with the actual warning message on his hand, yet he is with Jack's group ready to meet up with the rescuers. It doesn't make any sense! And I am a little worried, obviously Hurley is with Locke's group and he makes it back, I am just hoping Locke doesn't get blamed for some bullshit as usual, when he only tries to do what makes sense with the information he has.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 6:08 a.m. CST

    Time out of whack...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    I'm of the camp who theorize that the island is out of sync with the outside world. Apparently, time runs slower on the island. Thus, Locke saw Walt as he is now -- having grown older after he and his dad, Michael, got away from the island.<p><p>This could also explain why the DHARMA people were injecting themselves with something. Perhaps what they were injecting was something that caused them to continue to age at a normal rate. Without it, an adult will age much more slowly. (This explains Richard apparently ageless-ness -- he's aging, but much, much more slowly than normal.) We never saw the DHARMA children taking the injections, so maybe the island doesn't affect the growth rate of children.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 6:15 a.m. CST

    We'll catch up with The Others in Season 5...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    My guess is that Season 4 is centered on the Rescuers. In Season 5, the arc will pick up on where The Others are going and that The Temple is exactly. (Charlotte is an archeologist, so she will probably factor in more in Season 5.) Season 6 will be centered on The Rescue/Return to the Island.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 6:16 a.m. CST

    Loved last night's episode, but...

    by OBSD

    Is it just me or is ABC showing us only clips from shows that have already aired during their "Next week on Lost" trailers at the end of every episode? "Coming Next Week....here's some shit from tonight's episode, suckers" Why even have previews at all? I know it's a small thing, but I think they've done it every week now and it's starting to become annoying.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 6:42 a.m. CST

    I noticed that too...

    by Shard Harventh

    and it's like the ultimate cock tease...next week on lost...half second clip of new material, voiceover on top of twenty seconds of last weeks...

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 6:59 a.m. CST

    I would like to know how they figure

    by Dazzler69

    it was the worst premier or low ratings. I know tons of people that watch this. I don't even watch ABC unless this show is on. They better never cancel this show.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 7:10 a.m. CST

    I didn;t recognize...

    by Napoleon Park

    I didn't think the photo of the dead pilot looked like "Matt Parkman". Or the bloated corpse. Of course I was satisfied with the obvious explanation: it wasn't him in the wreckage. Sure they'd be records of everyone on the plane, but apparently Grunberg wasn't supposed to be piloting 815, he was a last minute substitute. Did they photoshop that moustache on him or was that an old embarrassing photo of Greg with a bad 'stache?<p>I did like the "things happen the way they're supposed to happen" way that the pilot who was supposed to be piloting 815 eventually wound up on the island.<p>After they led us to think the helicopter crashed, it was a good surprise to learn the island now has a functioning helicopter. Of course a short range chopper low on fuel in mid-ocean will be as useless as Hurley's mini-van, but then look how useful that turned out to be!<p>And after thinking "maybe they did just introduce a character just to kill her off," it was a nice surprise to see her survive - but a little ominous that the 'rescuers' were coming in armed and wearing flak vests.<p>Loved the Colonel Kurtz reference.<p>Oh, and why does a show not usually grounded in the supernatural need a Ghostbuster? How about because Jacob is a ghost?<p>The return of kick-ass Locke is cool, totally crazy Locke is cooler.<p>By the way, I moderate a bondage group and there's a way they could bind Ben Linus so that he'd be able to walk but not able to grab guns and shoot people. It's called tying his hands behind his back. Yes, it would be uncomfortable and he'd piss his pants if no one was willing to "help him", but it's Ben Linus, so "so?"

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 7:13 a.m. CST

    If I still had a kidney I'd be dead right now

    by Maniaq

    it's moments like that - THAT RIGHT THERE - is what makes this show so freaking AWESOME! <br> <br> I was seriously near-orgasmic watching this episode and Leven you are totally right - this would have been the arse-end of a two hour season premier that would have kicked entire seasons of other shows out of the water! <br> <br> So... she wasn't Naomi's sister but I was right about the English accent wasn't I? <br> <br> I have a feeling I'm gonna be right about Michael being on that boat too - tho, unlike everyone else who's suddenly jumped on the Michael bandwagon, I don't think he's the spy - it's someone we haven't met yet, maybe George - that's Short Circuit dude, right? Yeah it'll be him for sure... <br> <br> I'm now almost convinced the boat-people aren't Dharma - they're some other group - maybe Widmore? But they're not the same people who planted the fake plane and aren't in on the cover-up - they're looking for answers too. Oh, and I hope they find Naomi a better wig for any future flashbacks! <br> <br> If Widmore is rich enough to own Oceanic and lean on the Safety Board, and maybe bankroll some crazy hippy Initiative way back, then maybe he put together the A-Team (as in Abaddon) - but I'm still having trouble with his motive. Did anyone else think that picture of Ben looked off-island? I can't see Widmore going after Ben for killing off Dharma, but maybe they clashed horns in some other way? <br> <br> The A-Team has a picture of Ben, a picture of Des and Penny, are not that interested in the crash-victims - WHAT IS GOING ON? One thing's for sure - that Team is not leaving the island alive - ok, maybe Faraday - the maths genius always lives, right? <br> <br> Oh yeah, wasn't my call originally last week, but I still think it's Juliet in the coffin! So of the six we have Jack, Kate, Sayid, Juliet, and Hurley. So Hurley gets separated from Locke's group - maybe near the cabin - and the Team finds him as well... Now I'm not so sure Claire is number 6 but who is? And does Juliet count - can they pass her off as a survivor? Sawyer? I don't think he's the one playing happy families with Kate in the future... Michael! Yes! There's our six - Michael and Walt and not Juliet, who gets off the island under-the-table, so to speak, and ends up in a coffin... <br> <br> I could be wrong about any or all of these things but either way this show totally SHITS ON any cop show! To paraphrase Locke, I think I'm gonna need to watch that again...

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 7:30 a.m. CST

    Ben looked off island

    by Jor-El23

    in that photo. for some reason it got the idea that he was in an airport, going through security. i don't know why, i have nothing to back that up, it just looked like that.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 7:37 a.m. CST

    Claire leaving the island

    by Jor-El23

    Desmond has a vision but he doesn't know when that's supposed to take place. she could be rescued after Jack and the other Oceanic 6 return to the island.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 7:41 a.m. CST

    Ben in the coffin...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    In the finale, I think it's Ben in the coffin because remember what's the scene right after the flashforward where Jack is in the funeral home? It's Jack (as he leads the survivors) coming across Ben, who is out to stop them. I think that's a subtle hint right there.<p><p>And who's to say there's anybody even in the coffin? Maybe Ben staged his own death, as part of an elaborate ruse to throw people off and to get himself back on the island.<p><p>Kate -- I think she is pregnant. She's carrying Sawyer's baby.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 7:45 a.m. CST

    Sorry if it's been posted . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    . . . but the Fisher Stevens is the man on the boat. I'd bet anything. It was definitely his voice on the phone w/ Naomi right before she croaked.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 7:57 a.m. CST

    The Biggest Mystery in Last Night's Ep

    by Itchy

    is whether the chick who plays Charlotte Lewis is hot or not. I really have no idea. And her pics on imdb.com are not helping. She's clearly not "Goth Claire" hot (who is?), but if I was forced to choose I think I'd nail her.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 8:19 a.m. CST

    The island is a nexus outside of time and between Earths

    by SpyGuy

    Think about it... <p>1. Traveling to and from there is extremely difficult and takes specific vehicles</p> <p>2. A Dharma polar bear ended up buried in strange places and later unearthed as archaeological artifacts</p> <p>3. Desmond has temporal flashes of things that already happened, plus the jewelery store woman implied he has to follow a specific chain of events</p> <p>4. Walt appearing older to Locke, despite only sixty days or so passing for the Losties.</p> <p>And other stuff I'm probably forgetting at the moment...</p>

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 8:24 a.m. CST

    Spy Guy

    by Jor-El23

    you forgot about the whispers. I don't really understand how someone transcribed the whispers but if it's legit then it appears that other background characters from the show are the ones doing the whispering and they're talking about things that are about to happen.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 8:29 a.m. CST

    This episode is why I love this show. Let's review.

    by rbrog77

    So they actually did find an Oceanic plane on the bottom of the trench, and the discoverers recognized it immediately as 815. So how did this get there? And why is Dan so upset? And why doesn’t her know why he’s so upset? Curious. <P> Speaking of Dan, I loved how he was in panic mode on the helicopter and they had to push him out to save him. He sure is a nervous curious cautious type, huh? <P> Okay, how could anyone follow Locke. Standing there in the rain, looking to the heavens, knowing when the rain would end? And he’s right. Then they walk off, Sawyer starts questioning Locke, finds out he’s going to a cabin and Hurley says the cabins “back that way”. <P> Notice Ben’s face? It’s like OMG...there’s more of you that may be more special than me? <P> Notice Locke’s face? It’s like aaaahhhhhhh...why didn’t I see that in you before. <P> Nice. <P> Apocalypse Now Sawyerism (Colonel Kurtz...I had to google it). Nice. And to finish the Locke thread (for now), he got his orders from Walt. And still they follow him. Who would do that? <P> Juliet and Sayid are starting to have a mutual “respect” for each other...and for lack of a better word. Practicality, sarcasm...hmmmmmmm. Love the how many guns comment. <P> Back to Locke. I love Sawyer hounding him. And the bullet holes to shut him up...you write it better. <P> Meet Miles. Crumpled up on the rocks are the exit of the helicopter. Well, playing crumpled. Pistol drawn. Shouts of anger. Where’s Naomi? Accusing Kate of killing her. Then a flashback where we learn he’s....WHAT?!! A paranormal expert/medium. And it seems a good one...and a bad guy....with a conscious. This could be an interesting character. <P> Ben is one creepy mother. Gets under Karl’s skin, gets saved by Sawyer, gets under his skin and gets his ass kicked...again. I think I would have learned to shut up by now. <P> S4 theme so far is how to kick Ben’s ass without feeling guilty for it. <P> The line where Sawyer said it’s only a matter of time before he gets us, Johnny...and I bet he’s already figured out how he’s going to do it. So you walk him. UNBELIEVABLE!! <P> For those of you that don’t know what the headline of the paper the new chick picked up said (815: retrouve!), it found. Lost and Found. I love these writers. <P> Meet Charlotte. An archeologist with a wad of cash who is apparently obsessed with the crash of 815. Why? Well see she knows the skeleton at this dig in the desert is one of a polar bear. And she knows that ain’t quite right, so she does a little digging of her own and finds a collar. The collar has a Dharma insignia on it...and she smile in a gotcha type fashion. <P> You know, I’m thinking she ain’t working for Dharma. <P> Great reverse ½ gainer, BTW. <P> Charlotte, meet John Locke, Hurley, Claire. They don’t want to be found. <P> Did anyone notice the toy plane in the fish tank landed upside down while the plane in even pieces on the bottom of a large trench that was mostly still intact...or at least in order...was on it’s belly? Think our new pilot friend was trying to tell us something? <P> Charlotte, meet Ben Linus. He’s the one with the gun that just shot you twice in the chest. Wait, why didn’t you die? Because you are wearing Kevlar? Why are you wearing Kevlar? <P> Meet Frank Lopedus, our pilot. Apparently the original scheduled pilot for 815...and apparently a good one to land a helicopter struck by lightning in a storm. Hmmm...I think I know why he wasn’t on 815...at least if all the theories about our losties being on that flight for a reason are true. And now we find out he too is obsessed with flight 815...enough to know the flight manifest by heart. And he’s a drunk. <P> So this is our team, asks Naomi to Mr. Abbadon. Team. They put together a team of a physicist, an archeologist, a paranormal expert who talks to the dead, and a crack pilot. So what were/are the theories of the island again. Electromagnetic anomalies? Ancient culture? Purgatory? Aliens? Then Naomi says they are the wrong people because they don’t have field experience or military training...because it’s a high-risk covert op in unstable territory. And she’s also worried about possible surviors of flight 815. Why? Because they might get in the way? <P> So maybe we have a new private militia. Question is, hired/put together by whom? Could we now have government involvement? WHOA!! <P> And why are they going to the island. Well, they came for Ben. <P> BEN?? But he’s always been on the island. Okay, well he’s been on the island since he was a kid. Wait...they have a pic of Ben...and it’s not on the island. <P> Ben!! Have you been lying to us the whole time? <P> But he’s got answers...but not the black smoke answer. But he does have answers. Like the Charlotte bio. Like he knows the other 3. Like he knows they are a threat. But for some reason if Locke kills him they’ll never know what the threat is. But he knows why they are there...what they want. <P> Well, they came for Ben. <P> How do you know that you lying bugged son of a whore? Oh. Because you have a man on their boat. <P> Wait. Ben just gave up an undercover op to Charlotte to save his own ass....well, at least the fact that there is one. That he has a man on the boat. <P> Wonder if it’s a little man on the boat. <P> ;-> <P> Time for a bit of speculation. You can’t see it, but I think Ben was handcuffed in the pic. Arrested. So maybe Kate isn’t the only escapee. But Kate was from the law. My spec is Ben is from the government. If that’s right, they had to recruit him at an early age, unless we haven’t seen a piece of the puzzle where Ben left the island. And maybe, just maybe that makes Ben a double agent. Worked for the government only to really spy on the government for...who? Dharma? The hostiles? Dunno. <P> That's why I love this show.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 8:30 a.m. CST

    I only watched this week's episode because

    by don_gately

    the credits said Zoe Bell was going to be in it. Now I see that she won't be on the show until the seventh ep. See you then.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Why follow Locke?

    by Jor-El23

    Not sure if I would in that situation but you can understand it. Most of these people know about all the crazy shit that's gone on on this island. So a guy says that a kid who's suddenly a lot older and supposedly left the island is giving him instructions, let's follow him, that seems like the most normal path under circumstances.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Freighter four/ Fantastic Four parallels?

    by rockgolf

    So the four freighter people on the island are:<br> - A brilliant scientist - An exceptional pilot - A hothead - A woman who can stop bullets. (Okay that one's a bit of a cheat) Remind you of any comic book foursome whose first published adventure took place on Monster Island? And did anyone read the other headlines on that French newspaper that Charlotte picked up in Africa? There was something that translated to "Philosophy - All English" and two other headlines I didn't catch. You KNOW they ain't just random headlines.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 8:52 a.m. CST

    Other stuff I forgot about the island being outside of time

    by SpyGuy

    5. The shot of Stephen Hawking's A BRIEF HISTORY OF TIME, which involved wormholes and string theory <p>6. Nestor Carbonell's character Richard Alpert appearing to Juliet the EXACT SAME AGE as he did when he appeared to young Ben Linus.</p>

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 8:53 a.m. CST

    Hydra Station.....

    by warp11

    NT

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 8:58 a.m. CST

    The conversation I'm waiting for

    by rockgolf

    I don't know this, purely speculation, so no spoiler warning. Charlotte: "So did you meet the baby's father on the island or did he come with you?" Claire: "No. The father is back in Australia." Charlotte: "That's impossible!" Claire: "What do you mean?" Charlotte: "Your baby is less than a year old and Oceanic 815 crashed five years ago!" Jump to black.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Another observation . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    . . . Sayid is criminally underused.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 9:48 a.m. CST

    The whispers about the strike being over

    by Sick Fixx

    are probably just the studios' way of keeping the writers calm until the Oscars take place. Then, there will be another stand-off.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 10:02 a.m. CST

    some thoughts

    by Bloo

    ok Ben's man on the boat, my first assumption is that is was Mikhail or alpert but then I remembered Mikhail was (at least right now) with charlie at the bottom of the sea, Alpert is leading the Others to the "temple". I just remembered that jacob healed Juliette's sister, so obviously Jacob or at least his powers aren't confined to the island. Could it be that Jacob is Ben's "man" on the island, it's obvious that Locke can't hear Jacob at least well.<P>as for C.S. Lewis, lets not take so close a look at his books as individuals but rather as a whole,espically Narnia and his views on mythology. Lewis' belief was there is "true" mythology (i.e. Christ and the christian beliefs) and "false" mythology (satyrs, fawns, etc). That mythology isn't neccassarily false but rather a term to describe stories that have a meaning. I don't know how that may play into LOST's C.S.Lewis. Other thoguhs on Lewis, 8 children went to Narnia (Polly, Diggory, Peter, Edmund, Susan, Lucy, Eustace, Jill) 8 is an important number. Also 4 is important as the High Kings and queens of Narnia was 4 (Peter, Susan, Edmund, Lucy). I also think that possibly "The Voyage of the Dawn Treader" may make an apperence mainly because of it's nautical theme and islands. Perhaps we need to look at the char. in Narnia, does Kate=Susan. Remember Susan was hte most hesitant adn after her two adventures in Narnia, she "outgrew" Narnia referring to it as "a game we used to play" maybe kate in the future has surpressed all er memries about the island while the island is calling htem back (shades of the Last Battle in which an imposter (a donkey) poses as Aslan under the guidence of a monkey who later claims ot be a man. At one point Narnia seems to be calling the principals back and all 8 except for Susan go back) Is the Island rying to call the Oceanic 6 back to the island for a "final battle" of sorts? Also in the last battle they were thrown into Narnia when a train crashes. Narnia is also full of themes of redemetion (same as LOST), Edmund is redemmed from his traiotrs nature by Aslan's sacrifce, Caspian redeems his race in Prince Caspian, Eustace is redeemed by his selfish nature in Dawn Treader, Jill her selfishness in in Silver Chair, Diggory by allowing Jarvis in in the Majican's nephew, Sasha(?) claims his rightful place as prince in Horse, Puzzle from the monkey in Last Battle. Also going back to the being called or drawn to the island, in the Last Battle the 7 were going to use magic rings that diggory's uncle made to get them into Narnia, however the train crash thrusts them into Narnia. Jack is trying to get to the Island by flying back and forth using his golden ticket, as opposed to letitng the Island draw him back. Also in the Last Battle, Jill and Eustace go first witnessing the crash adn then the others follow. Perhaps Jack and Hurley are the first to go back followed by the remaing 3 or 4 (depending on if you buy my Kate=Susan theory, but I suppose just as good of argument could be made that Juliette=Susan as she has lost faith in the Island)...anyways I could be reading a whole lot more intot his but the C. S. Lewis thing cannot be a conicidence

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Such crappy storytelling

    by AchillesRedux

    How can a dead person have a flashback??? Unless (gasp) she's not dead! Or her ghost is there! Seriously, I didn't watch a single episode from last season...just followed the updates posted to the Web. Then I watched last night's episode and it was like I didn't miss anything. Ben was still a prisoner. Jack and Locke were in opposition. And when logical questions were asked ("What's the smoke monster?") "something" would happen to prevent the answer from being said. Wow, still the same show. So I can probably skip this season too and feel like I didn't miss anything.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Xiphos

    by TerryMalloy

    Thursday night is a big night to go out. But I am currently sick with flu-like symptoms at this moment so I am stuck in apartment. Plus I'm a movie geek and Thursday is Lost night.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Can I have Alex?

    by Sick Fixx

    Tania Raymonde is very underrated.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Achilles

    by TerryMalloy

    You missed a bunch of great episodes. The last half of season three was great.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 10:18 a.m. CST

    I don't think the Island was a time warp thing

    by TerryMalloy

    before Dharma came. I think it was special, but they unlocked its true potential. <p> Remember that the purpose of the DHARMA Initiative on the Island was to use scientific research to manipulate the environment to change any one of the core factors of the Valenzetti Equation in order to change the course of the human race. They were also interested in researching the unique properties on the Island found nowhere else in the world. </p>

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Sick Fixx

    by TerryMalloy

    You can have Alex. Anybody want Rousseau? Cause I don't.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 10:25 a.m. CST

    So are the Oceanic 6 rumors really true

    by The_Squid

    Or is it all just speculation and bullshit?

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Squid

    by TerryMalloy

    Speculation. I don't think there have been anyone who has spoiled that mystery.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 10:38 a.m. CST

    The coolest rumor I heard on this thread

    by TerryMalloy

    is that Adam and Eve are Desmond and Penny. That would be cool.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 10:39 a.m. CST

    The Smoke Monster...

    by jones1899

    Ok. So my girlfriend and I are watching Lost. Lights out, edge of our seats involved like we've been since day 1. Locke has Ben against the tree. Says he wants answers. Asks, before asking anything else, What is the black smoke? My house is silent. My girlfriend and I lean in and hold our breath and then...the TV signal flickers and there is no sound for about five seconds. Our jaws are left hanging open. We are pretty sure Ben never answered directly or else it would be all over this board, but what DID he say exactly in response??

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 10:41 a.m. CST

    He said

    by TerryMalloy

    "I don't know".

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Thanks TerryMalloy...

    by jones1899

    .....and Ashok0.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 10:48 a.m. CST

    jones1899

    by Bloo

    Ben's response is basically "I don't know what it is"

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 10:50 a.m. CST

    walt is taller explanation?

    by jimbohal78

    someone said the "walt is taller explanation was lame." Do you mean someone's explanationhere? When was there an explanation in the show? i took it as just a side joke that obviously that actor has grown in the last 4 years.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 10:50 a.m. CST

    I love lost.

    by greenstyle92

    Can't yet call it the greatest show ever, (I have to wait till the final episode is in and the show shows it hand. I mean, if the final episode says this is all little Sawyer's feever dream after seeing his parents fight over money, that would suck.) But lost just so always owns all it's not even funny. I mean, compare this to it's closest competitor, Heroes, and it's no competition. Heroes is just lame ass. Tim Kring knows how to set up a mystery but it always builds to a great big nothing and a spirited shoving match. His plot twists don't make sense and he treats his ancillary characters and plot points as completely disposable. Heroes, and it's popularity, is an abomination to mankind and anyway who EVER supported it should be ashamed of themselves.<br> <br> Lost is a rockstar. It comes out on stage, fucks Heroes in the ass for a minute because it knows it can, and immediately shows the audience why it's the best thing ever. Fuck it's good. That's it. When Bush sends me my $600, I'm gonna do what I've been avoiding so far and buy the three Lost seasons. Hell yeah!

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Jack at the Funeral Home

    by Miss Red

    When Jack is at the funeral, is it possible he's waiting for Miles to turn up and "talk to the dead" and help him get back to the island?

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Ashok0

    by snazzy J

    Keep watching the Wire. It's just as epic as Lost. Everything matters. Also, as it progresses, it becomes less and less of a cop show. This season, at most only half the time is spent with the police. It's more of a city show than a cop show.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 11:01 a.m. CST

    By the way,

    by TerryMalloy

    If anyone is in doubt, Christian Shepherd is most definitely in Jacob's cabin. Just watched it in HD. No doubt in my mind.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Who that other guy was

    by TerryMalloy

    I have no idea

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Dharma cover up?

    by ToughGuyRizzo

    Great ep! Why would Dharma cover up the plane? I think Richard Alpet's company, the one that hired Juilet covered it up. How would Dharma know where 815 really went. How did Dharma know Ben was responsible for the purge? The Others have boats and it's very possible they have intercepted the freighter. Also, Kate might be reporting back to her parole officer. I mean, she gets off the island, is all over tv as a semi-celeberty. Some law enforcement place is GONNA see her!

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 11:04 a.m. CST

    And FUCK Miles.

    by ToughGuyRizzo

    You could just see the hate swelling in Sayid when he made that smart ass 815 comment. You know it to be true, our most favorite torture-or!

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 11:06 a.m. CST

    I can't wait for Sayid

    by TerryMalloy

    to blow up again. We need more Sayid.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Nooooooooo!

    by KinjoAlcoholicNinja

    My DVR cut the last couple of minutes off the episode! Can someone please tell me what happened after Ben started spewing all the information about the british boat lady's past. It cut out right after he said she was the oldest of three sisters. Thanks!

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 11:24 a.m. CST

    you know what?

    by jedihillis

    My DVR cut off the last few minutes too. What the hell is up with that? I'd suggest you go to abc.com and watch the last part of it. that's what I did. It's one of the better moments of last nights episode.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 11:24 a.m. CST

    by KinjoAlcoholicNinja

    by SUPERJIM

    Someone asks Ben how he knows all of this (possibly Locke or Sawyer) and he replies "because I have a man on their boat". Then it ends.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Ben said the boat

    by INWOsuxRED

    was there to capture him and that he has a mole on the boat.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 11:32 a.m. CST

    The "man" on the boat.

    by Novaman5000

    I have a very strong feeling that it's REGINA. She was very odd about Minkowski not being able to come to the phone. Methinks she waited until the team was off the boat, and she commandeered it. Minkowski is all tied up somewhere.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 11:36 a.m. CST

    I guess I'm in the Minority

    by DKT

    But I liked last week's Hurley ep. much more (and I do think it was a better season premiere than season 2 and season 3). <br> <br> It wasn't a bad episode. I'm thinking these guys are Dharma. I'm sorry Naomi's dead, because in the flashback with Abbadon she seemed pretty kickass. I didn't like Charlotte that much for some reason, but Miles and Faraday were pretty cool. And I freaking loved the last 10 minutes of the show. "You weren't on that plane, were you?" "We've got a native!" Yeah, I think they're Dharma and they've come to extract revenge on Ben. I'm not sure what else is going on, though. <br> <br> Did we see Desmond in this episode? <br> <br> Sayid has the flashback/flashforward next week? I cannot freaking wait.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 11:37 a.m. CST

    things we now know:

    by tha plow

    nothing! there are just more questions. a few things raised: 1. the guy visiting hurley and the phony plane wreckage. is he working for oceanic? is this a cover-up for oceanic? is he the smoke monster? if anything, i'll bet he works for oceanic, but why the cover-up? are oceanic and dharma linked? 2. polar bear in tunisia. this does not confirm time-travel, or teleportation. the only thing that it confirms is dharma's presence in the area. did they have a similar research facility there? or maybe it was some sort of time travel. no way to tell. 3. the photo of ben. he appears to be off of the island. has he left the island? why do they want him? who are they? and one other thing, ben's mole is not michael. why do so many people think this?

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Steel Cage Match

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    Oceanic 6 vs. Ocean's 11.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 11:43 a.m. CST

    The mole on the boat is Michael

    by clockpolitiks

    Probably under a different name. Possibly the name "Kevin Johnson"? Maybe he is using an alias and the people on the freighter don't know who he really is? It also takes care of the way he comes back into the show so easily. He's already on the freighter. His flashback could be how he came to be on the freighter and what happened after he left the island with walt.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Steel Cage Match pt 2

    by Itchy

    That would be cool. Hurley could take on Brad Pitt in a rematch of the smothered by man boobs scene from Fight Club.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Lost is so good

    by HarrysNemesis

    * The people who've been injured heal quickly either a) because of the strong magnetic forces on the island and/or b) the island is magic :)<br> * The Locke kidney line was great because it shows that if Locke's dad HADN'T totally screwed his son over and been such an asshole, Locke would have theoretically (since the island heals) been killed.<br> * They are definitely back in time... hence the polar bear bones and dharma initiative collar, and why people searching for them can't find them (dharma, rescuers, etc) -- Does this mean the island is the garden of Eden? Maybe! The island can't be in our normal time, otherwise Jack would hunt for the island by boat rather than flying in planes hoping they'll crash on the island. <br> * The mole on the ship could also be the person answering the phone -- just as the person unavailable may be avoiding contact, the person answering the phone may not want the crew to contact that guy.<br> * To answer the original article, the ring wouldn't have come off the pilots finger during the crash -- they made a clear point of showing the pilot with his fingers gripped tightly around the controls in a way that would be almost impossible for him for the ring to slip off, but he somehow maintains his hand grip.<br> * Charlotte's wearing Kevlar because the crew knew something was wrong because of the other chick using the code word for something bad.<br> * Perhaps Miles is psychic and here now because he has previously been on the island? If not he has obviously been sent for the purpose of communicating with Jacob<br> * One thing that supports the 'Ben is blackmailing Michael to be on the ship' -- one of the other crew members already knew Ana Lucia, so if Ben revealed to the crew somehow that Michael killed her, they would go after him... so Ben has the perfect tool to blackmail Michael IF that is the case.<br> * Obviously the two groups (those that went with Jack vs. Locke) are irrelevant as to who ends up getting off the island.. something else is going to happen before that does to change things. Also, I have a sinking feeling that we are not going to find out how they get off the island until the next half a season if at all this season.... it seems like they are making that a focal point and so they're probably going to drag it out allll season... who are the oceanic 6 and how do they get off the island.<br> * I don't think Dharma or whoever this new group is makes them be quiet after they are rescued... it seems like they will probably be convinced that that is what is necessary by what happens before the rescue... I think they will realize the purpose of the island before then, and because of that they won't want to let the secret out... Ben will convince them why the island has to be secret even if they leave.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 12:12 p.m. CST

    tha plow -

    by Novaman5000

    Abaddon is NOT from Oceanic, they made that abundantly clear when he couldn't produce a business card. Abaddon is with Dharma, I'm 90% sure on this.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 12:13 p.m. CST

    The island...

    by SimpleSandwiches

    ...is Pangea? So maybe the Losties island eventually becomes Africa (hence the Tunisian Polar Bear) and the Others' island is South America? Could be why the Rescuers had gas masks? Not sure of primitive air quality?

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Charlotte Staples Lewis

    by DKT

    I totally missed this until I heard it again on Jay and Jack's Lost podcast. Charlotte Staple Lews = C.S. Lewis. (Staples was his middle name, too, I believe). Maybe I like her more than I did initially.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 12:19 p.m. CST

    A week off. Two smokes left.

    by Kragmose

    This cannot possibly end well.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Bad DVR? Yeah, I hate that! But don't forget...

    by Zardoz

    ABC airs eps the next day on ABC.com. And there's also itunes and XBoxLive, but that'll cost you $2/ ep. (but you'll own Lost!) BTW, your DVR will probably continue to screw up the recording, because the eps usually go 2 minutes past the hour. Solution: record Lost and the show afterwards. (Eli Stone, anyone?)

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Damn, that was a GREAT episode!

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    How the hell could someone (wiht at least a nominal IQ) watch this show and NOT think that it is the best hour on television?

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 1:07 p.m. CST

    I don't think so, Nova

    by rbrog77

    I think Abbadon is govt. Totally makes sense that the govt found out about Dharma experiments and decided they were a national security matter and needed to be "controlled". We saw Ben in the pic, off the island, maybe in handcuffs, so what's to prevent Ben from being a double agent? They "captured" him, set him free to go back, and he went double agent on them. Put together a weird, subversive covert crak team to go get him and get the "mysteries" for them, etc.<P. Perfect mystery thriller scenario...especially if you throw in a bunch of people who are in the middle due to an airplane crash...which somehow the island planned all along.<P. BTW - good to see you around again.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Nova - BTW

    by rbrog77

    Good to see you back around. Hope everything's good...especially with the kid.<P> You did have a kid, right?

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Locke = Steve Jobs

    by InspectorDoppler

    Holy crap. Anyone else see the resemblance?

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Locke=my dad

    by TerryMalloy

    Looks and acts exactly like my pops

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 1:29 p.m. CST

    some details (mostly) uncommented upon

    by ArcadianDS

    Abbadon is described in press as being from the same African nation where the remains of the polar bear are discovered.<p> Abbadon's demeanor, dress, and behavior mirror those of Richard Alpert's character when wooing Juliette to join his company.<p> So I am going with the theory that Abbadon was a slave held aboard the Black Rock who survived its 'crash'<p> Funny how the fake Oceanic plane is found in a location where the Black Rock has been reportedly spotted - when both are really on the island.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 1:29 p.m. CST

    4,2 superior to the season premiere because...?

    by I am_NOTREAL

    I've been on and off the Lost train since the first episode, and I'm giving it one more chance on the strength of the 3rd season ender. There were two absolutely fantastic scenes in the premiere, Hurley and Abbadon and Hurley and Charlie, and I saw nothing in 4.2 to rival either, plus you have the abject flimsiness of the whole wedding ring thing...granted the airplane in the ocean was interesting and the scene between Abbadon and Naomi moved the ball a little, but all in all I'd say the premiere has a leg up.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 1:52 p.m. CST

    I think these new people...

    by I Hope You Die

    ...were all supposed to be on Oceanic 815 but weren't for some reason. Except Naomi (which is why she's dead). So Frank was supposed to be the pilot and Daniel was crying at the news report due to his sense of profound inexplicable loss at not being in the crash. It's a Final Destination type scenario. They were selected by Abbadon because he knew they could successfully get to the island.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 2:14 p.m. CST

    I figured out how to watch this show

    by _Maltheus_

    <p>If I treat each episode as a standalone story, then I find it a good show. If I take the whole arc into consideration, then I find it one of the crappiest shows on TV. I use to like to debate what things meant with my co-workers. I don't do that anymore since there's nothing to debate about a show that hits the reset button once or twice a season and wants to keep every secret till the last episode. But if, in my mind, I treat every episode as a pilot then I can recapture something of the love that I had for this show in it's first two season. It's not a bad show, but it can be soooo much better if it would simply follow through on things (you know, anything).</p> <p>As for last night's ep, I loved Miles smart-ass comment to Sayid. I wouldn't take shit from the Losties either. I also love how Locke truthfully answers any question put to him. Why don't people ask him more questions? Jack proved last episode that he's a psycho murderer. Locke didn't do enough to warrant pulling that trigger. Especially when a rescue is on the way. I know I'll never see it, but I'd really love to see Jack get what's coming to him. What a fucking dirtbag!</p>

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 2:14 p.m. CST

    * THREE TRUTHS *

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    <p> 1. In-and-Out Burgers are the best amongst all fast food chains. </p> <p> 2. Barack Hussein Obama is terribly overrated and his lack of experience, extremely liberal political/tax views and rhetoric without real substance (a call for "change" without any real direction) will come back to bite him. </p> <p> 3. LOST is, by far, the best damn serial drama to ever possess the small screen! </p> 'Nuff said!

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 2:18 p.m. CST

    I Hope You Die...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Great theories! I wonder if all of the survivors were those who weren't really supposed to be on the plane (Jack, Hurley, Sayid, etc... had to talk their way onto the flight). Good points!

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Harry's Nemisis...

    by maxwell's hammer

    Who from the crew knew Ana-Lucia? the police officer from last week knew her, but no one from the Freighter crew knows of her that we know of.<BR> <BR> And will you all stop saying Michael is the mole! there is absolutely no evidence of this, and the interactions between Michael and the Others when he and Walt left the island gave absolutely zero indication that there was any kind of infiltration mission going down.<BR> <BR> You people are just grabbing two random mysteries and haphazardly pairing them together.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 2:24 p.m. CST

    D.Vader...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Was the "Battlestar Galactica" moment last week? I thought that it was simply supposed to be sometime during the first eight episodes? I was wondering if the entire show was going to jump ahead in time?

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Wait, his middle name is Hussein!!! OH NOES!!!

    by MrGreenStache

    He must be teh evils!! You fail.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Uh, that episode kinda sucked.

    by skywalkerfamily

    It was mostly filler with walking around the jungle for an hour. The cool scene was Sayid working with the copter. Most of the other stuff we already knew. The Ghostbuster scene made no sense at all.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Ashok0--yeah, it IS the same show

    by AchillesRedux

    Ben is still messing with people's heads. Sawyer is still conflicted about being a good guy/bad guy. Hurley--despite being stuck on an island--has still not lost ANY weight. Sayid is still the same bad Mofo. And most of all--no one has any idea what is going on with the island. Believe me, I LOVED this show after the first season. I was hooked. But now I can just tell they're stringing people along...keeping people interested with an occasional injection of new faces (the Tailes, the ClubMed Others) and now we have the Chopper Team--with all their assorted back stories and mysteries. Sound familiar? Hmm...I think I've seen this "arc" before. I did like Sawyer dropping a "Kurtz" on Locke. BTW...I think "Heroes" is total crap. My favorites show was ROME, where the characters and situations actually (gasp) developed and changed...

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 2:38 p.m. CST

    I mean, this season is better at this point than last season...

    by MrGreenStache

    There is a lot more to look forward to this season than last season at this point. We know that people are gonna get off, we know most are gonna stay, we know that the Oceanic 6 have a lie that they are gonna have to tell and it tears them apart. We know that Ben has a homeboy on the boat, which makes his networking skills seem something fierce. Let's just hope this strike gets over today so that they can get to work on the last 8 episodes of this season.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 2:41 p.m. CST

    What doesn't make sense about the Ghostbuster?

    by MrGreenStache

    This guy was obviously picked for a reason. He will likely talk to Jacob or something...

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Disagree node...respectfully, of course

    by rbrog77

    It's a subvert op. Marines would draw too much attention. Rangers or seals? There would still be a record of it somewhere. This would have to be off the books...a black ops.<P> I could be wrong about it, but this makes total sense to me in looking at the show as a whole. Secrets to longevity, time travel (possibly), advanced technologies...the govt would know about them one way or the other and they would do their best to "put them in the warehouse with the lost arc."

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Ashok0

    by rbrog77

    Love the sarcasm, dude. Sick 'em!!

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 2:57 p.m. CST

    captboulder...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Thanks! There were a few more "truths" that I was going to add to that post, but I remembered that "3 is a magic number." <p>Have a GREAT day!</p>

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Hypotheses about the plane not being what it seems are whack

    by Jollymorphic

    It's not a plant. The bodies are really in there. Jack, Kate, Sawyer...they're all in there, dead and rotting. Remember Desmond's journey? Living the same life, the same period of time, over again? Remember Mikhail coming back after the sonic fence kills him? The plot is rife with time travel and/or reincarnation themes now, and we're still 46 episodes away from the conclusion. Here's an alternative hypothesis: At the very emotional climax of this whole epic storyline, we will see our friends, the 815-ers, bravely accepting their fate as the plane begins to break apart, heading for their final resting place at the bottom of the ocean.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 3:05 p.m. CST

    The black guy planted the plane

    by skywalkerfamily

    He sent the Freighter people to the island to kill off every one else remaining and bring back Ben probably. But, some people did get off the island and he's making their lives miserable.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Jollymorphic...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    <p>Nice theory! From what I read, we will see all of the main characters that have passed away (from the pilot and Boone to Charlie -- and everyone in between and after) for the climax of the show. It would be poignantly tragic to have them prepared to die.</p> <p>I've always thought that the end would provide a tragic story in which either the passengers of Flight 815 might sacrifice themselves to prevent something huge -- or that none of them would survive.</p> <p>...or perhaps we will see Desmond travel back in time to the day of the plane crash and prohibit it from ever taking off in the first place. </p> Good stuff!

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Please kill Ben

    by skywalkerfamily

    He's just a boring character now, "Hey Ben what's up with that Smoke Monster." "Oh, I don't know." I hated that scene.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Am I the only one that noticed...

    by Danger-man

    Miles the Ghostbuster helped Mrs. Johnson get rid of her murdered son's ghost. And Michael's episode is called "Meet Kevin Johnson". There are no coincidences on LOST. I have no idea what the relationship is. I also think it's pretty clear the the Fantastic Four were sent by the Dharma People.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Node

    by Bouncy X

    if my memory serves....john saw the monster a second time and it was in its smoke form, and he was all confused and scared or somethibng.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Node

    by DKT

    Abbadon knows there are survivors when he sends Naomi back. I'm not convinced he knows there's any when he sees Hurley. That's a flashforward and who knows what the hell's happened in between on the island. Hurley's with Locke's group. Maybe Locke blows up something else and aside from the Oceanic 6, the Rescuers assume everyone else is dead. But the 6 know better. That doesn't necessarily mean Abaddon buys it, though.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Definitely the Fantastic Four

    by DKT

    Dr. Jensen's article convinced me, and I love that Miles Strom sounds like Maelstrom.<br> <br> And even if Locke hasn't seen the black smoke monster, he knows Charlie and Eko saw it, talked to Eko about it, and then at least knows it beat Eko to a pulp. I don't think he actually saw *that* happen, but he saw the aftermath.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 3:34 p.m. CST

    AWESOME EPISODE!

    by Cheif Brody

    Now THAT'S how you are suppose to introduce NEW characters into the show...not just having them barge in and start talking to the core Losties like it's no big deal, (ala Nikki & Paulo). What an introduction! <P> I called that Oceanic phone # right when it popped on screen...and was listening to the message when the helio pilot said "I was suppose to be the Pilot of 815 that day"...I almost shit myself. <P> Miles is a fuckin great character...what a bastard! But loved Jack's "Well, Miles...how stupid are you?" line...that was the shit! Loved the undersea stuff...The Oceanic plane/logo underwater...just awesome. <P> Is it just me, or does this possiblities for the show grow in leaps and bounds with every new episode...like the show started with this little tiny landscape...the island...and now, where it's headed, the show just seems to get larger and grander in scale each week...as does the possiblities for our minds getting blown away. <P> But even the small stuff.. Like Locke's still being alive had nothing to do with sci-fi supernatural bullshit...he didn't die cuz he's missing a kidney...how did I totally fuckin miss that? How many seasons ago did we see him give it up? For those who think they are making this show up on the fly need to get a grip! Lost is a slow burn...and Last night's episode lit it up. I'll be back with more after work!

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Why is Mr. Sulu talking wi dead people???

    by picardsucks

    And why is Mr. Sulu such a fucking douche??? And why does Jeff Fahey look like Louis Syfer?? Can't wait til Locke fucks Mr. Sulu up real good. This episode was the best episode since season one, hands fucking down!!! Holy shit gotta watch it again on DVR. Love Locke- Fuck Jack!!!

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 3:41 p.m. CST

    TerryMalloy

    by ironic_name

    your dad sounds kickass.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 3:42 p.m. CST

    The body of the pilot

    by I am the most horrible

    ...was supposed to be Frank Lapidus. That' s why there was no ring. Some switcheroo happened (and I bet it was [retro?]engineered by somebody to throw a wrench in Dharma's works) and Matt Parkman dude ended up taking Frank's place. So the fake story on the fake wreckage was just edited to correct the facts, but they didn't catch that little detail. I think Frank knows there's something ubersketchy going on when he sees the corpse...

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Oceanic Six

    by shellfishh

    The last member of the Oceanic Six is.....Baltar. You heard it here first.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 3:48 p.m. CST

    BSG thing

    by I am the most horrible

    I took it to mean somebody in somebody else's head. Baltar in 6's...6 in Baltar's...Charlie in Hurley's

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 3:52 p.m. CST

    may be something there Johnson

    by I am the most horrible

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 3:53 p.m. CST

    'cept if it's Thetans I'm going all ANON on somebody's ass

    by I am the most horrible

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Zoe Bell?

    by eman_1293

    I saw Quentin Tarantino's resident Australian hottie/tomboy listed in the 'guest starring' credits, yet she was nowhere to be found. I had earlier heard about her appearing on the show but...NOTHING! If I missed it, can anyone identify which scene she was in?

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 4:06 p.m. CST

    eman_1293

    by ironic_name

    new zealander, I believe.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 4:11 p.m. CST

    ironic_name

    by eman_1293

    Yeah, I knew that. My geography skills are kinda sketchy though so I assumed it was a part of Australia (the continent). Isn't it an island below it somewhere? Awwww, who cares!? Zoe's one hot piece of New Zealand ass!

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 4:20 p.m. CST

    How do we know the Christiane I

    by Jor-El23

    was looking for the Black Rock?

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Node

    by DKT

    He just seemed waaaaaay to emphatic to me about not answering Naomi's question. Why would she ask the question in the first place, if they both know they found all the bodies in the plane. *IF* he "planted" a plane, then he definitely wouldn't believe there's zero chance for survival (I still don't believe he planted the plane, but it's a valid theory). If he didn't plant the plane, but's privvy to the tape (which he has to be), wouldn't he just say, "Because we saw them all dead." He knows there's some weird shit going on in that island (especially if he's Dharma -- sorry D.Vader, you haven't convinced me he's not), he knows Ben and the Hostiles are on the island. I just think he was trying to keep Naomi on a single mission -- capturing Ben.<br> <br> I could be reading waaaaaaaay to far between the lines, but that's the way it came off last night. But complete denial without any reasoning behind it seems fishy to me.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Vader

    by Jor-El23

    re: Abbadon being with Widmore. Don't we already know that there are connections between Widmore and Dharma? It seems hard to dismiss that connection when the entire show is based on connections.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Thanks Node

    by Jor-El23

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 5 p.m. CST

    great episode (the real season premier)

    by Maximus Prime

    the start was like a season premier, new characters, big shock moments, weird new man crying..bringing us on the helicopter and then onto the island..fantastic..<p> the freighties so far aint a big threat, but I think they are paving the way for something bigger coming..they are the first in a wave of bad things coming to teh island.....I think Mr Abbidon will be seen walking teh beach before the end of episode 8 and he may be bringing some thunder with him...

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 5:05 p.m. CST

    It's cool Ben has spies everywhere

    by skywalkerfamily

    I'm sure he had Mikhail spy on the freighter people and had someone infiltrate there group, but why was he so concerned with Jack contacting them if he had a spy on the boat already?

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Intel, yeah, but he's already not helping her out

    by DKT

    It'd also be nice if Abaddon let Naomi pick a team with field experience. <br> <br> Vader, I missed the bit on Find 815 and Widmore. Good catch. As far as the cover-up goes, my big question is why? Why would Widmore/Dharma cover-up 815 <br> <br> Finally, who the hell is dropping food palletes on the island? If it's Dharma/Widmore, the same people hunting for Ben, then WHY?!?!

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 5:17 p.m. CST

    "weakest "Lost" season premiere"

    by minderbinder

    No way. They're all pretty damn solid, but if I had to rank them I'd probably say the second or third season premieres were a bit weaker. Have you watched the second season start since it aired? In the FIRST episode, you see the hatch and the computer and Desmond but you basically find out jack (no pun intended). Sure, there are some great bits of info early in that season, but they are dragged out over the first three or four episodes (VERY repetitive and frustrating). Season 4 opener had more info than most episodes much less season premieres, and I don't think we've ever found out as much info in two episodes as 401 and 402. I think the C. S. Lewis connection is that time passes much faster in Narnia than in the real world - there have been many hints that time on the LOST island runs at a different speed than everywhere else.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Locke saw smoky twice in season 1.

    by Novaman5000

    And it was in smoky form both times. The first time, it only scanned him- Hence the "bright light" he saw. The same light Juliet saw when it scanned her in "Left Behind". <p> The second time, it was coming after him, it scanned him and saw the things that had more recently happened, namely Boone's "sacrifice" and it decided John Locke was no longer worthy of living.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Dharma most likely did not realize that the island had been

    by Novaman5000

    compromised until either Mikhail's station blew up (was it the pearl? I can't remember) or the failsafe was turned.<p> That's why they continued to drop food.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Wait, ZOE BELL??

    by br1947

    Just when I thought I couldn't like the show more... Now... if only we can get some Bell on Bell action with Kristen... screw Dharma, I want Bell vs Bell!!!

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Or...

    by DKT

    until Michael told them the hostiles had taken over Narnia. <br> <br> And thanks, Node. All I'm saying is Abbadon isn't exactly helping her out.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Doesn't Kate look really old this year?

    by skywalkerfamily

    She suddenly looks like she's 60 in some shots.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Abaddon is part of Dharma/Widmore/Hanso etc.

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    I really think after the purge, Dharma knew there were troubles with the natives, but Ben was able to help them cover up that nearly everyone was dead. <P>But then Desmond turned the key, and the Island became visible for a period, and it just happened to be discovered by some people working for Penny Widmore. What do you want to bet that Papa Widmore found out about Penny's little discovery, and realized that the Island had been comprimised. So the powers that be decide they need to get to the Island. How long did Season 3 take place on the Island? Several weeks, couldn't have been more? So by that time Widmore/Dharma or whoever was funding Dharma, have put a team together, they don't know what to expect, but they know that Desmond may be there so they send in the team with the cover that they are looking for Desmond? <P> Now, what pisses me off is why Desmond wasn't with Jack and Kate to be able to talk to these new arrivals and get more info on them. Ask them why Naomi had a picture of him, find out what they are really doing, etc.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 5:39 p.m. CST

    I would LOVE to know why Naomi had Desmond's Picture

    by DKT

    For that matter, how they knew Desmond ended up on the island. I hope they get to that soon.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 5:41 p.m. CST

    The Incident

    by Jor-El23

    I still want to know what that is dammit.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 5:43 p.m. CST

    The food drops...

    by Cheif Brody

    I think the food drops we designed to continued as long as the button was being pushed. It was all part of the "ruse" to keep Desmond thinking The Dharma Initiative was REAL...and still thriving. When...in fact...it was all just a ruse to keep him "trapped" in that Swan hatch for as long as possible. <P> I mean...if his food stops coming...he may start thinking of exploring the rest of the island...or possibly trying to LEAVE the island. <P> Widmore wanted desmond trapped so he would never get back in touch with Penny. <P> Because...long ago...on a business trip to Scotland...Charles Widmore had an affair...with a lovely lady named Hume...and years later...was informed he had fathered a "son" by her. A son she named Desmond. <P> Desmond never met his father...as the scandal of a bastard child out there would ruin Charles Widmore's good name. After all...he was happily married...with a beautiful daughter named Penelope. <P> That's why Charles keeps trying to buy off Desmond's interest in Penny...why he got him locked up in military jail...and when that failed...got him locked up on the island jail...and why he just doesn't have Des KILLED to keep him away from her. <P> All because he and Penny are half brother and sister. <P> Ala...Christian Sheppard and Jack/Claire. <P> Something to chew on, at least!

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Incident Jor-El?

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    I think it was the purge? I think Dharma new something happened, and maybe Ben crafted a response to Dharma people that the Island no longer is as accessible as it was, and used the original Hatch to keep as a barrier shield to keep them away, and thus making them think they still had some control but cold no longer operate as they had.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Then why not just kill him Cheif?

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    He clearly doesn't care about him as his son enough to tell him or Penny the truth? But he would rather spend billions of dollars keeping up an Island ruse to keep him away from Penny? <P> Good job with the theory, interesting stuff in there, but I dont' think so. Why spend all that money when you could just tell him he's your son. Not to mention he didn't stop Penny and Desmond from sleeping together, which would have been one of his first concerns, right?

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 5:53 p.m. CST

    re: Node32774 on Jack the Murderer

    by _Maltheus_

    Then why not tie him up and wait for the rescue? Once he had the gun on him, Locke was no longer a threat. Pulling the trigger, at that point, is murder, by definition. Plus Locke never really did anything that bad to Jack, whereas Jack is always beating up on Locke every time he has a little sand in his vagina. Boone was Locke's friend, Jack may be sore about his death, but his death was not Locke's intent. As for Naomi and the submarine, obviously Locke knows something that the rest do not. So how's about asking him specific questions about it, instead of firing away? Locke is a straight shooter and always seems to answer any *direct* questions. Jack is a liar who has no problem manipulating others to suit his selfish, vengeful needs (like walking his friends into a trap in the S2 finale without telling them). Jack always shoots first and asks questions later. I really don't understand why Locke and Sawyer take his despotic bullshit. I'd sooner follow Ben.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 5:58 p.m. CST

    The Purge and Kelvin/Radzinsky

    by Jor-El23

    if The Purge took place before Kelvin arrived on the island (sometime after Desert Storm I) then how did he join Dharma?

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 6:05 p.m. CST

    The incident was not the purge. Here's why:

    by Novaman5000

    Dharma made tapes AFTER the incident, in which they refer to it directly. If the incident was the purge, then no one would have been alive to make tapes talking about it. The incident happened pre-purge, and has something to do with the smoke monster going nuts.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 6:14 p.m. CST

    The Incident

    by Jor-El23

    directly led to The Swan station, if we're to believe the instructional video at least. It has some sort of connection to the electromagnetic anomolies on the island.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Exactly, Nova and Jor-El

    by DKT

    The purge can't be the incident. if it was, then how did the tapes get on the island when Dharma doesn't seem to have access anymore. I think the incident predates the purge. Perhaps it has something to do with Smokey and/or Jacob. Or the origin of the Hostiles? But it can't be the purge. <br><br> And despite the purge, Dharma is still dropping food. Why? (And you're right, Jor-El, Dharma must've had some kind of access to the island post-purge, because Kelvin go there.<br><br> I'm also not sure that Desmond is on the island because Charles Widmore deemed it so. Stranding him there seems like such a longshot, and with little return. As others have pointed out, that seems a bit far-fetched (HA! As if this whole show isn't, but still.)

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 6:27 p.m. CST

    "Boone was a sacrifice the island demanded"

    by DKT

    Locke said to Jack, after Jack tried everything to save Boone's life. Wanting to kill him doesn't seem that far-fetched. You could even see it as closure to get off the island. "I've killed the bastard, now I can go." I *do* love Locke, but honestly, I'm surprised Jack didn't try and kill him sooner.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 6:27 p.m. CST

    After the purge it's funny no one came to check

    by skywalkerfamily

    on Dharma, etc to see if everything was okay. I'd ask Ben what happened when he got to the island. How did Dharma get there through all the storms and electrical fields, etc.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Well, Kelvin Came

    by DKT

    As it's been mentioned. It's clear some people from Dharma had some access to the island, though for how long and how much is up for question. Not to mention, why didn't Kelvin and Desmond know about Ben?

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Is it just me or

    by ChrisVenom

    does this season so far, feel totally different than the other 3?

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Ben's "man" on the boat is Walt

    by CKnBLZ

    That's my bet. I mean, think about it,communications were being jammed by 'The Looking Glass' station and Locke destroyed the satellite station with C4 making it virtually impossible for Ben to communicate through any normal means of technology. Walt appears to have some type of psycho/tele keinetic abilities that enable him to momentarily appear in places he shouldn't be. We know he did this with Shannon, Sayid, and Locke already, so why not Ben? Now some might pose the question, 'Why would Walt help Ben'? Well, what if both Michael and Walt were picked up by this ship, but were told they would not be going home unless they helped them find the island. So Michael and Walt, realizing that these people were indeed, "bad news" decided to either (A)refuse to help them, or (B)have been feeding them disinformation. Walt, believing the Losties only hope for survival, would be to communicate with Ben and gather what ever information he could find out about them.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Mel...Widmore's Motivations w/ Des

    by Cheif Brody

    Well...originally I thought it might be a "Hatfield & McCoy" feud that is making Widmore offer all kinds of $$$ to Desmond to buy him off. The Widmores hate the Humes and vice versa (Romeo & Juliet might be more appropriate)...But why not just KILL Des if that's the case? <P> Well...my original thought was...if Penny ever found out her father had anything to do with Des's death...Widmore would lose his daughter's love forever...so that was motivation enough for him to NOT kill him...but just keep Desmond otherwise "occupied". <P> So...He offers Des a ton of $$$ when Des gets outta military prison...but Des rejects his charity. He sets up a boat race that will send Des on a crash course for the island...but Des has no boat. He hires Libby to "bump into" Des at a coffee shop...and convienently offer Des HER boat...how could Des refuse this beautiful woman who's husband just died? <P> The plan works...and Des crashes upon Craphole Island...from which there is no easy escape. Widmore also hires Joe Inman to pose as a Dharma scientist...or button pusher...in this case. Inman murders the REAL button pusher Radzinski before Des ever arrives...and sets up shop in the Swan hatch...waiting for Des to arrive. He paints a mural on the blast door to pass the time. <P> For 3 years Inman conditions Des that he MUST PUSH THE BUTTON...and save the world...keeping everyone on the planet he holds dear safe...including Penny Widmore. Des accepts his new lot on life...hoping one day...he might get to be with Penny again...perhaps when his Dharma "relief" arrives...which will be never. <P> Then, one day...Inman decides to "test" Desmond's devotion to "pushing the button"...baiting him with a torn biohazard suit to follow him out to the waters edge. <P> Des follows and is shocked when Inman offers him his newly repaired sailboat as a way off the island. Desmond refuses...and Inman knows right there...his conditioning has paid off. He baits Desmond into a scuffle...and falls backwards on the hard rocks...with some carefully hidden boar's blood in a baggie hidden in his bio suit. Blood appears to pour from the back of Inman's head...but Desmond has no time to check to see if he's mortally wounded...as he races back to the hatch to push the button. Meanwhile...Inman radios Widmore to let him know his work on the island is complete. Des is safely trapped on Craphole Island. <P> Now, mel...How would it cost Widmore "billions" to keep him there? Widmore built the hatch...he knows the button's gotta be manned...he drops some food every 108 days...all Dharma created generic food...not expensive. The hatch is self powered...where's the billions you speak of? <P> He sets up a phony boat race that only Desmond is actually competeing in...the island and hatch are already there...he gives Libby a sailboat...one named for his wife...Elizabeth...and pays Libby a small amount to hand deliver to it Des...Widmore then pays the mercenary Inman for 3 years of conditioning service. And wha-laa...problem solved. Desmond is no longer going to be in Penny's life...and it appears it was all DES'S doing! <P> Until he gets a report that an electromagnetic anomoly eminated from the island when Des turned that fail safe key. Now he knows Desmond may be AWOL and trying to get off that rock. <P> Secretly...Penny has been wondering if her father "set Desmond up"...she wonders if he had something to do with Des's disapperance. She digs into her father's affairs and finds out about Craphole Island...and knows that it's an all-but-"invisible" island that only a few people know how to find. Perhaps she intercepts some info about her father watching for any "electromagnetic anomolies" coming from the island...and has a team monitoring the location, So Penny sets up her own looking station in the Antartic...waiting in hopes that one day...an electromagnetic "ping" will lead her back into Desmond's arms. After all, "With enough money and determination...you can find anyone"...But her father might say..."With enough power and determination...you can make anyone DISAPPEAR". <P> But...her persistence paid off. She found the "ping"...but her father is two steps ahead of her...as he knows EXACTLY where to look. <P> Now...are these "freightee's" really there for BEN, as he claims...or are they there for Desmond?

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Food drops, Kelvin and The Purge...

    by Zardoz

    The Purge happened sometime before Desmond arrived on the island. (and after Sayid met Kelvin off island; remember, time is slower on the island) That's why Kelvin was in the biohazard suit! He wasn't sure if the air was still toxic or not. And Ben probably didn't even know about The Swan, until he was taken to it by Jack, et al. Why else would he lie to Locke about inputing the code? Because he didn't know what kind of crazy, purple hell would occur when the code wasn't input properly. So, perhaps Dharma was still dropping food to The Swan, because they knew that someone was still inputting the code regularly...

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 6:46 p.m. CST

    The Machine

    by edshrinker

    That goofy looking helmet - the ghostbuster spinning disc vader hat doohickie...THAT will find it's way into Jacob's cbin and my guess is Miles won't be the one operating it. I could see Locke fumbling aroud with it and fucking up like he did in the hatch and having SOMETHING become corporeal he doesn't necessarily want in that form. And likewise, IT does not want to be in that form. Make Jacob/Christian angry. VERY angry.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 6:53 p.m. CST

    As a side note...

    by edshrinker

    I was just remembering how hot I used to think Mira Furlan (Danielle) boney head and all when she was on Babylon 5. The minbari had those beds that look like the sexual aid "The wedge" where you can get het lovely tight ass in the air and.... I digress.....into filth. She was pretty hot though. Though Ivonova went both ways.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Node32774

    by Jollymorphic

    When I posted, I had thought that the pilot we were seeing on TV was the same guy we saw at the beginning of season one (the cop from Heroes). I figured that he was basically a third guy (guy #1 being Frank, the drunk pilot and guy #2 being Seth Norris, the guy Frank's talking about who always wears his wedding ring). Looking at the Lostpedia synopsis, I see that I was wrong, and Seth Norris is, in fact, the cop from Heroes. So my whole point collapses. Oops!

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Kelvin in the Biohazard suit

    by Jor-El23

    I don't think that has anything to do with the gas used to kill Dharma. It was gone very quickly. Danielle has mentioned a sickness that infected her crew although that hasn't really been touched on for quite sometime. It seems like the biohazard suits and the quarantine warning on the inside of the hatch door were more psychological in nature, meant to keep the hatch inhabitant in line.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 7:05 p.m. CST

    There's some misinformation going around here

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    Someone keeps saying Ben is off island and in handcuffs in that picture, when there is absolutely no proof of that, and it doesn't even make sense. It LOOKS like he's working in some Dharma looking computer lab deal which, gee, is EXACTLY what he would be doing when you actually look at the information we have. Also people keep bringing up that The Others are at or going to some Temple which was proven to be a rumor ages ago, there is no temple. Also, people saying Jack was okay in pulling the trigger on Locke are just justifying murder for their big tough guy hero, Jack's actions are hardly ever reasonable, yeah Locke could explain his actions a little better but that's not really his problem when nobody bothers asking him. Oh Boone's dead, gee Locke must have MURDERED him, right. Locke saying he was a "sacrifice the island demanded" is his way of making peace with what happened and making sense of it. He even went on to Desmond about how he blames himself for taking Boone on under his wing and how his death was meaningless, or so it seemed at the time (bad things happen to people around him remember?) No of course you don't remember, you guys only pay attention and get a boner when Jack tries acting like a badass "Check out this dynamite guys we gonna blow em up!" "How stoopid are ya!?" It just amazes me, Locke telling Jack wasn't supposed to make that call, Jack in the flashforward crying about how has to go back, and people STILL argue and try to justify Jack being an absolute jackass to Locke, as he's done the whole series.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 7:08 p.m. CST

    Brody

    by edshrinker

    Whew. I have met some fathers that would prefer I not date their daughters before, but Widmore would have to be one insane fuck to be that possessive and controlling over his ADULT daughter. And I'm not saying they aren't out there! They certainly are and mix in the $$$ and power Widmore has..... I just think you still want to try to write the story in a range of believability and you'd have a hard time explaing how you get Des (and no one else) off course enough within the context of the race, to have the island's power bring him in. We've had to stretch our imagination in larger ways in 3 seasons, so really, why not? I'd need more evidence - and we may get it since the actor that plays Widmore says he is in season 4 ep(s). Sweet bastard. He said he gets to be an even bigger ass to Des this season. Bigger than playing "psych!" with the scotch when Des asks for permission to marry? Does he kick him in the nuts, call him faggot in front of Penny and his friends and then throw the scotch in his face? Good God the man has a hard-off for poor Des. I like having Widmore as a Big Bad behind alot of this stuff tho, Brody. You definately have something.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Kelvin

    by Zardoz

    So, was Kelvin initially on the island pre- or post-Purge? I'd be inclined to say pre-Purge, but I'm just guessing. And maybe he was just being paranoid, not knowing if he would come under attack by The Others? (But I forgot, Kelvin did know the air was safe when Des was on the island, as Des soon discovered for himself!) I wish someone would post a definitive timeline about all of the Lost events so far, both on and off the island...(anyone?)

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Zardoz...

    by Cheif Brody

    Inman knew that island was perfectly safe. He WANTED Desmond to notice the hole ripped in the side of the biohazard suit...cuz he wanted Des to follow him to that sailboat. It was the only way to test him...to see if Des was really committed to staying there. he was wearing that bio suit as a costume...as much as Mr. Friendly was wearing that beard and raggedy clothing when confronting the Losties. he knew Desmond wanted to know what was outside the walls of the hatch...and one day...he would give him that opportunity...by tearing a hole in the suit...to get Desmond questioning the "safety" of the island...when all along...it was perfectly fine. <P> There's a reason Naomi parachuted onto that island with a picture of Desmond...just as there's a reason they had a picture of Ben. I think they're mission on the island is twofold. <P> A. Kill Ben for revenge for those he killed in the purge. <P> B. Make sure Desmond is still trapped there...and do everything in their power to make sure he STAYS that way. <P> I just think the 815 survivors turning up living there has put a lil hitch in their plan.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Ed...The Sailboat Race...

    by Cheif Brody

    Never was a real race...Sure...they had a starting line...and Des raced off on his own...following the race coordibnates map...and was thrilled when he saw his competition way behind him in the distance. Until night fall...when the rest of the boats returned to port....and left Des on a collision course with Craphole Island. <P> Even if it was a REAL race...Widmore simply makes sure Desmond's coordinates are different from the rest of the field.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 7:19 p.m. CST

    The question becomes WHY?

    by Cheif Brody

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Headache

    by edshrinker

    You could justify any action if you try hard enough, it's all subjective and based upon your own value system. In MY value system - you are ABSOLUTELY right...you cannot justify executing someone in cold blood. And the fact Jack could do it front of everyone. looking into his eyes, gun inches from his head...man you have to have some serious mental instability there. It goes WAY beyong protecting the others, or doing what's right, punishing Locke's actions, etc... It is his pure hatred toward Locke and his jealousy that Locke "gets it" and has a connection with the island he can understand and accept. Especially now that Locke's dad is dead, he is really at peace - and Jack is FAR from that. HE hates Locke for that. And he doesn't want to loose his status as leader either since it is always his job to FIX everything. Look at the savage way Jack can wail on Ben's face (another man at peace with the island) with no remorse. That is ALOT of pent up anger and hatred coming out. Jack is a great CHARACTER...he's multi-faceted - and that's what I dig about him. But he is far from the sole hero of the story. In the end, when redemption comes, maybe he will be. But right now, I'd say he is just as "insane" (as Jack put it) as Locke is.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 7:25 p.m. CST

    The question becomes WHY?

    by Cheif Brody

    Widmore obviously can't KILL Desmond...whatever that reason is...I'm speculating that he couldn't kill his own son...but he certainly doesn't want his daughter with him. <P> What other reason could there be for Widmore to have such a hard on for making Desmond's life miserable? Why can't he just kill him?...he obviously has the $$$ and power to make him disappear. <P> The only thing I can guess...and it would certainly be a Lost WTF moment...is that Des and Penny are related....same pop...different moms. <P> I just can't see Desmond having fucked up so bad on his own, that Widmore would have it out for him this bad. I guess a Charles Widmore flashback would clear a lot of this up.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Brody

    by edshrinker

    Yeah, I got that it wasn't a real race. Widmore set it all up. That much is easy. But Des isn't a carrot stick, he has a visual on the other boats - if he sees them all going in another direction he has to assume something is wrong. Maybe by the time he did it was too late and the forces that drag vessels toward the island were in force. I would want some more nuggets in future eps to really solidify Widmore as a Big Bad in this (and I think we WILL get just that). With Widmore a part of the Island project, he'd probably have a "mu-hahaha" laugh at the irony of losing Des there as well to get him off his daughter. Your theory is a good one and a nugget or two away from solid. Let's hope this writer's strike is really nearly done so we get most of this season - so we can feast on those very nuggets 'o' joy.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Why can't he kill Des?

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    He can torture him, leave him on an island to rot, potentially die. Make him go through a dangerous race where he could die, but he can't kill him? <P> Nah, we are overthinking this, Widmore had nothing to do with Kelvin and the button, he could have just as easily sunk his boat and Penny would have never found him.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 7:46 p.m. CST

    BEN planted the plane!

    by Maniaq

    Soon as that plane hit he made it TOP priority to find out EVERYTHING about the people on it - and promptly organised for doubles of those people to be found underwater - THINK ABOUT IT! Only thing is, Frank was supposed to be the pilot so Ben planted a Frank double, but by the time the wreckage was found the *actual* dead pilot's name was known and it was too late for Ben to fix up his mistake... <br> <br> btw, any good pilot can land a helicopter that has been struck by lightning - it's called AUTOROTATING and you have to know how to do it - they basically cut the power on you during your test and if you fail you don't get your license. A helicopter makes a pretty good lightning rod and it's a fairly common risk... <br> <br> Novaman (?) good call - it's either REGINA who's Ben's spy and has Minkowski tied up, or it's Minkowski who's been found out by her and hence tied up... <br> <br> And I am absolutely certain Michael is on that boat - that's how come they're not surprised to see survivors. <br> <br> Still think Widmore's the most likely candidate for who Abaddon works for and they have obviously locked horns with Ben - who planted the fake plane and maybe worked for them - and Abaddon can't be sure but he knows Ben well enough to suspect the plane is fake. Frank confirms it for him when he catches Ben's mistake. <br> <br> Oh yeah, about the shack - I was thinking about the circle of ash or salt or whatever that was - what if that's Ben's MARKER for it because it seems to be pretty portable and you'd want to have some way you can pin it down when you want to find it... <br> <br> Oh yeah, speaking of Michael and connections - remember he WORKED for Widmore in construction, in another life, as they say...

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Ed...Jack vs Locke...

    by Cheif Brody

    Locke has sabotaged every effort to get off that island. From blowing up the sub...to putting a knife in Naomi's back. Jack just snapped. He was tired of Locke's "games"...and killing him seemed to be the only way to get him to stop. <P> Jack looked at Locke as the "mole"...keeping them trapped on the island. <P> Locke has reasons to stay...he can't walk OFF the island...he can't LEAD off the island...he was a pathetic miserable wretch off the island... <P> But Jack doesn't know that. He just thinks he's a crazy loon looking out for his own best interest. He doesn't understand this "connection" with the island...Some might argue that Locke's "connection" with the island is all a big ruse, too. <P> Perhaps Ben is GROOMING Locke to be his replacement. Perhaps Ben DOES have a man on that boat...to get Ben off the island...and have Locke take his place as leader of The Others...He's staged elaborate rituals for John to perform in front of the Others...like killing his own father...as ben did all those years ago. It seems as though Ben has been giving Locke a crash course on the island...and possibly even shooting him where he knew it wouldn't kill him was all part of it....feeding Locke's desire to become the man he always saw himself to be in his mind's eye when he was sitting in that box company job...dreaming of "Walkabouts" and "Hunting knives"... <P> Could it be that the island isn't really bringing this out in Locke...but is all just an elaborate ruse to make him THINK he's indeed "special"...so Ben can finally leave the island...where he's been trapped for so long. <P> Not sure I agree with Jack's pulling that trigger...but if I wanted off that island as bad as Jack does...and this idiot was trying to foil my every attempt...I'm not sure I wouldn't have pulled it, too. <P> But...I think Jack will realize that Locke is indeed special...and will be thankful that the gun wasn't loaded...when Locke saves Jack's life down the road...and sacrifices his own in doing so.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 7:48 p.m. CST

    That theory is wrong. You forgot Walt

    by skywalkerfamily

    Why would Walt come to Locke if Ben was grooming Locke to lead the Others.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Ben's Boat Buddy is....

    by vmj19

    Annie and Ben said they would never be far from each other.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 7:53 p.m. CST

    Annie is the French Lady

    by skywalkerfamily

    that would be a nice twist. She was never on the ship that crashed 14 years ago.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 8 p.m. CST

    Mel...Exactly....You answered your own question.

    by Cheif Brody

    Desmond IS still alive and well, isn't he? It's obvious Widmore wants him away from Penny...but killing him obviously is NOT an option. <P> "Why not?" IS the question. My speculation is Charles is his bastard child...and perhaps someone was close to revealing that fact...add in he's trying to date his frickin legitimate daughter...and he's got a handful. <P> Ed...as far as the race is concerned...if the race was set up so the other boats trailed off course at night...Des wouldn't realize he was heading in a different direction. Add a storm into the mix...Des would have no idea he was being railroaded to the island until it was too late. <P> Anyone check out that sailboat for an "auto pilot"? Perhaps that's an explanation as to why Des was sailing around in circles all that time...and was never able to "leave" the island. The damn auto pilot kept turning him back to the island. <P> Or...you can believe the "snowglobe" theory!

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Skywalker...Walt appearing to Locke...

    by Cheif Brody

    I have not forgotten Locke's new found, and all growed up, spiritual advisor...Walt. <P> But what Walt wants Locke to do remains to be seen...and who's to say Walt isn't as fake as Yemi was to Eko at this point?

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Sorry, Mel...

    by Cheif Brody

    DES is Charles' bastard son!! Damn edit function is needed!!

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Brody

    by edshrinker

    If I had been through 100 days of THAT...not sure if I would have become the type of person to kill that mercilessly. I would hope not. I think I could kill if I had to by that point, but in the way Jack had Locke - I would hope to God I wouldn't be able to pull the trigger. Take him to the Hydra, locke him up (pardon the pun) feed him cheese burgers and if he wants to stay when the rescue comes - let him loose. But don't straddle him and spray brain matter on yourself and the losties. You think of charlie who sacrificed himself, Claire and Hurley greiving, you don't bring more death to one of your own no matter how looney he is. But like I said, after 100 days on Craphole Resort, who knows what stateof wind i'd be in. I could be up in a tree like a clock tower taking pot shots at anyone who walks by while giggling to myself like a school girl. And RIGHT ON! In the END...(THE REAL END)I think it will be Locke to sacrifice himself to get the others -ALL the others home.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 8:07 p.m. CST

    No French Annie

    by vmj19

    Danielle is not Annie. I get spoilerish here so tread ... . . . . The future episode "The Other Woman" is Juliet-centric and focuses on the Others. Actress Andrea Roth has been cast for a recurring role some think is Chandley Price, an early 40's therapist. Look up the actress and compare looks with the young Annie. Looks like a grown up Annie to me, much more than Danielle. Annie is Ben's "Other Woman".

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 8:08 p.m. CST

    shittin typo

    by edshrinker

    State of mind

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Thereal question is

    by TerryMalloy

    How much would you be willing to pay to get all 48 episodes of Lost right now zapped into your TV?

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 8:08 p.m. CST

    The future episodes that is

    by TerryMalloy

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Welp...I'm offline for the rest of the evening...

    by Cheif Brody

    Done with my nutty theories for the nite. Still reeling from that awesome episode last night...Gotta watch it again. Peace out! <P> Giggling like a schoolgirl...too funny, Ed.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Later Brody

    by edshrinker

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 8:14 p.m. CST

    I have to say that I don't think Lost will ever

    by TerryMalloy

    be as good as it was during Season One. Season One was drop your jaw pee your pants amazing. It's like a twenty hour movie that is amazing. The only thing that has come close was the season three finale. Maybe the last season will be like that. But its doubtful. The first season had so much mystery.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Who would want to kill/abduct Ben?

    by TerryMalloy

    Is the only suspect we have Dharma? I mean the guy has spent all his life on the island.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 8:25 p.m. CST

    guys I think your overthinking the Des/Widmore thing

    by Maniaq

    seems to be a pretty straightforward case of Widmore seeing Des as a bum who's not worthy of inheriting his empire and the standard procedure when you make such a call is to offer the gold-digger a payoff... <br> <br> I don't think the race was fake and I think when Des disappeared, Penny went looking for him and either disappeared herself or made some grand "leave us alone" statement to her Dad. <br> <br> I really don't think there's much more to that relationship - he's not trying to keep Des a prisoner, he's LOOKING for him - maybe even to bury the hatchet - as a way to reconnect with his daughter

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 8:30 p.m. CST

    The Light Doesn't Scatter Quite Right

    by Echo Seven

    Clearly they are inside the Lost video game and the programmers never quite figured out the refraction algorithm.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 8:31 p.m. CST

    I also don't think Widmore is going to play a huge part

    by TerryMalloy

    Mainly because he has only been in one episode so far.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 8:36 p.m. CST

    I also don't think Widmore is going to play a huge part

    by TerryMalloy

    Mainly because he has only been in one episode so far.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 8:36 p.m. CST

    My bad

    by TerryMalloy

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 8:49 p.m. CST

    I know that Brody won't read this but...

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    The reason Des is alive is not because Widmore can't kill him, it's cause he won't kill him, he isn't that nuts. He told Desmond to get away from his daughter, that he wasn't worthy, the easiest thing was to pay him off, but he isn't going to murder the dude, cause that would take it a little too far. <P> But to think the converse, that he would spend all that time, effort, and money playing Desmond just to keep him pushing a button, seems crazy! Why do that? If he really was trying to stop Desmond that hard, why not just lock him up some where and throw away the key, okay he isn't killing him, but he isn't letting him out, isn't that the same as trapping him in a hatch on an island, and with less hassle? I just hope the answer is not that Widmore planned the whole thing, cause that just gets way too conveinant and seems like poor writing to me. <P> Not to pick on you Brody, I think your post is very creative and has a lot of clever, well thought out ideas, it just seems like too much.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 8:53 p.m. CST

    If it does turn out to be the case, Mel

    by TerryMalloy

    It would be incredibly contrived.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Why we all love LOST, here it is

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    As evidenced by the talkbacks, I think one of the huge reasons that we all love Lost so much, is that the mysteries bring out the creative side in all of us. Even though some of the posts are out there, I have read some of the most creative, well reasoned, well thought out posts when it comes to LOST. That is equalled by no other show, not Heroes, not BG, and certainly not 24 or other crime/action/adventure plots. <P> LOST allows so many of us to try and take the puzzle, and come up with our own adventure, our own possibility, and I think that is what makes it a great show. If it were all just a movie or a book, where the answers were right around the next page, and not 5 years of our lives, then it wouldn't be nearly as potent. I think its the fact that we research who Faraday is, what literary references they sneak in, what physicists say about light, all these reasons are why LOST is such a great outlet for our imagination.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 8:56 p.m. CST

    To all who attributed Ben's remarkable ability

    by TerryMalloy

    to withstand punches to the Island's healing properties, let us not forget that Ben had cancer and the island didn't heal him.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 8:58 p.m. CST

    You're right Mel

    by TerryMalloy

    The fun part is the theorizing/water cooling it with other fans.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 9:04 p.m. CST

    And can you think of a show that ...

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    Gives us nearly this much possibility? I can't. Battlestar, and Heroes allow us to predict what might happen, what we liked, what we didn't. But no show, not one that I can think of, throws so many mysteries at us, so many possible conclusions, that literally our heads spin with concepts of what could be true, what is true, and what the hell is happening. <P> Combine that with the online games, the entire LostPedia website for God's sakes, and this show has developed such an incredible tapestry of clues, puzzles, mindfucks and the like, I can't think of a single pop culture property that comes close. <P> I can't remember if it was Harry or another writer on this site, who said they caught up with LOST when it came to DVD. I have to say, that's a very sad way to watch the show. I mean, I rewatch the episodes on DVD, they are great, but you miss so much of all of this when you just plow through them, you don't get a chance to think and dream and scheme. My opinion anyway.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Node

    by edshrinker

    One last post and than I shall enjoy some Atlantis: If Staphanie (Ben's one and only love from childhood on), Why would insightful Ben put two slugs in her chest within 10 minutes of meeting up. Surly there had to be enough of a resemblence for Ben to stop and say, Hmmmmmmmmm. Anyway, you'all got me as far as theories - your insightfulness and cleverness makes these talk backs a blast. Thank you troll and all.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 9:30 p.m. CST

    it IS a JJ show...

    by Bouncy X

    he helped create it and bring it to television and for the first 2 seasons at least, he was fully involved. though these days he's hardly around, he's still listed as an exec. producer as of season 4.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 10:34 p.m. CST

    The thing that I miss most from Season One

    by TerryMalloy

    is how "lost" I felt as a viewer. I very much enjoyed the otherworldliness of the island that I think has diminished as the seasons have progressed. This is of course out of necessity of advancing the story but I liked having to choose between understanding the island in supernatural/religious terms and understanding it from a rational/scientific point of view. The idea that "anything could happen" on this island was what made it so amazing to watch and increased the WTF moments. Not to mention that we knew nothing about any of the character's backstories. It was more intimate too. Less characters. Every week we learned more about someone and fell in love with them. I very much enjoyed the last few episodes of season three and will watch until it is done, but I don't think it will ever top the first season.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 11:31 p.m. CST

    So "Lost" is good again

    by Gozu

    Thanks Brian K. Vaughan!

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Think the temple might be related to

    by TerryMalloy

    the ruins? Or the statue?

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 11:56 p.m. CST

    The Flashforwards

    by greenstyle92

    Are more complicated than they seem. Yes, they are "Flashforwards" from the perspective of the Losties, as they describe events after the island. But, here's the kicker, the Island's time shift means they are also FlashBACKS. From the perspective of the outside world, the flash forward events have already happened. That's why Miles is annoyed that Jack wants some reassurance of notoriety. The Oceanic 6 never make it back to the island. But they do find some way to cause there island counterparts to not leave in the first place.

  • Feb. 8, 2008, 11:57 p.m. CST

    I'm with ya Mel!

    by Maniaq

    My friends keep telling me "yeah I'll catch it all up on DVD" and I keep telling them they're missing out on half the fun! It's just not the same experience if you don't get to spend half a week digesting what you just witnessed and the other half of the week in anticipation of what's to come - I might even go as far as saying if you watch it one episode after the other without some kind of break in between it could well be all too much to take in and you could miss important things and then you just don't get why this show is so good because half of it has just gone straight over your head...

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 12:11 a.m. CST

    That is EXACTLY what drew me in, Mel

    by DKT

    I didn't catch the first season until it was out on DVD because I'd missed the first couple episodes and it seemed like a show you had to watch from the beginning. But I remember my interest peaking when I saw a newspaper article all about a book Sawyer was reading, and how it being featured on Lost had boosted its sales incredibly. There was something about that, about the way the show engaged people and encouraged their creativity that really struck me. Yes, putting the puzzle pieces together is one of the most fun things about the show.<br><br>That said, I wouldn't mind being able to throw next week's episode into the DVD player right about now!!!

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 12:40 a.m. CST

    Node

    by edshrinker

    That's a helluva assumption to make, With two close range slugs to the chest, she is very dead if he is wrong. Ben did not know the code was issued to the group and had no clue if she'd be wearing a bullet-proof vest. I hate to argue - we can agree to disagree, but personally I would never take the chance with my childhood love even if I was 90% sure she had one on. And secondly - they are supposed to be the same age...if anything Annie looked a little older in Ben's flashback - but that is subjective. Looking at Charlotte, she is clearly 10 years younger than Ben. No way they were that far apart in the flashback. They were within 2 years of each other. My hideous guess: Ben-between 38-43 Charlotte-between 25-30. G'night all

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 1:03 a.m. CST

    garden of eden again

    by bernard

    kickass episode. <p> here is what i think is going on in a nutshell...a sort of timeline of events...sorry this is long. <p> magnus hanso loses control of his pirate ship and ends up on fucked up island. this has been happening for years to others...like amelia earhart. <p> the island is the garden of eden, and people are travelling backwards in time by accident through a couple of different "wormholes" in present day time i.e. devil's triangle, bermuda triangle etc. <p> alvar hanso goes looking for his great great grampa, and finds the island through a "wormhole". hanso starts dharma as a research vessel to find out what the island is. <p> a dharma janitor has a son (ben) that wanders in the woods one night while chasing a vision of his dead mother on fucked up island. (note: dead mother is jacob) <p> there are natives to the island that have four toes that are trying to free their master who is trapped and cannot manifest himself physically. one of the natives (richard alpert) runs into the boy who wandered into the woods. <p> the natives do not want outsiders (dharma) there, and richard is going to kill the boy...until he realizes the boy can see his dead mother (jacob/their master/god whatever) <p> richard believes this will be the boy that will ultimately free their master, and also uses him to get rid of the pesky "dharma" people...i.e. gas all of the bastards. <p> richard and ben hide the island using the hatch...dharma had figured this out before, and they use dharma's technology against them. dharma people in present day time lose all contact with their connection to the island. <p> ben knows that outsiders are bad, but he also knows he cannot help richard figure all of this shit out without outside help. one reason is because all of the pregnant women on the island die during birth and no one can have a baby on the island. <p> so even though it is very dangerous, richard, ben and other like ethan leave the island and nab some people they need like julia (who specializes in weird childbirth). <p> richard is losing faith in ben after all of these years. julia isn't making any headway with the dead mommies, and maybe ben isn't the prophet richard thought he was. ben finds out he has cancer and he's fucked. this furthers richard's theory that ben may not be the prophet. <p> 815 crashes. i do not know how ben gets intel on people who come to the island, unless he can somehow get information from the future...which doesn't really make sense. <p> regardless, ben needs jack to do the surgery and remove the cancer, and ben and the "others" need any new children because children have an easier time talking to jacob. so 815 is sort of a goldmine for them. <p> there is a present day cover-up of the 815 crash to make it look like oceanic didn't "lose" the plane. once the plane was lost, present day dharma got involved to try to figure out a way to the island. it's not working though, because the hatch is still hiding the island. <p> meanwhile...back on the island...locke walks again and shows potential to have heavy dialogue with jacob and the island. <p> ben and the others steal claire because she's pregnant and they're still trying to get a successful birth. they steal walt to try to talk to jacob. <p> claire has the first ever successful birth on the island. <p> a lot of time is wasted in the hatch. <p> charlotte digs up a polar bear with a dharma collar in present day as a fossil; proving that the time spent on the island is happening thousands of years ago. <p> desmond learns how to time travel through a weird accident blowing up the hatch...richard and ethan and ben already knew how to do this without blowing up the hatch. <p> the island is visible either permanently or just intermittently because the hatch is blown. <p> present day dharma led by spooky bald black dude puts together team spooky to go to the island and get that fucker ben who fucked them over because ben knows more than they do about the island. <p> naomi is in charge, fahey is their pilot, miles is there to talk to the dead to help hunt ben, and daniel is there because he is slightly autistic, which is actually an advantage to figuring out and seeing shit on the island (i.e. hurley) i don't really know how charlotte is supposed to help. <p> richard, and the rest of the others (other than ben) think that locke might actually be the prophet they've been looking for. <p> ben takes locke to jacob's cabin to see if this is true. locke hears jacob. ben gets jealous because ben can't hear jacob anymore. ben shoots locke and tries to maintain his position as leader of the others. <p> naomi crashes. 815'ers think she's there to rescue them. penny tips off charlie before he dies. charlie tips off desmond and walt tips off locke that team spooky isn't there for rescue. <p> locke knifes naomi in the back, but jack's dumbass helps the rest of team spooky get the exact co-ordinates to the island. team spooky lands on the island. <p> ben admits he doesn't know what the monster is. i think that the only individual who has any idea what the island actually is (besides the writers) is jacob, and the rest of the show will be the journey to discovering that they are actually in or near the garden of eden. <p> also, the flash forwards give us nothing relative to the discovery of what the island is, other than the fact that jack and kate and hurley left, and they made a mistake. also, the ones who didn't leave seem to be making life difficult for the spooky neo-dharma black dude because he's visiting hurley trying to find out who is still there. <p> here is a link to the garden of eden theory, which i think is dead on: http://tinyurl.com/ysypf5

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 1:11 a.m. CST

    What I like about Lost is the lines

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    I don't remember another network show that had such badass lines, exemplified by the Sawyer's Yoda comment, and Jack's "How stupid are ya?". I remember thinking this going all the way back to when Sawyer called Ethan "Jungle Boy", I was like "Fuckin' Yeah." When there's a mysterious and frightening villain running around the forest and you finally catch him and point a nine millimeter at him and call him "jungle boy", you know you have some heroes you can root for.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 1:14 a.m. CST

    ...

    by bernard

    noah's ark theory might also be close... <p> http://tinyurl.com/2dnxmf

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 1:58 a.m. CST

    the pilot

    by thedudelar

    i had a little trouble excepting the fact that any (american) news channel would show footage of a rotting corpse in the ocean. anybody else? though, i was thinking that maybe this news was only directed towards people that mattered maybe as a way of convincing them to join team spooky?

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 1:59 a.m. CST

    new arrivals to the island

    by thedudelar

    has anybody suggested that maybe the four team members are somehow related to dharma members that were killed in the purge? maybe that's why they want ben so badly.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 2:09 a.m. CST

    Naomi, Abbadon, and Questioning Survivors

    by DKT

    Just watched the episode again. Abbadon said to Naomi, "You don't need to question it, you just need to do your job." Or something along those lines. <br><br>Also, why the hell did Lapidus have the roster memorized? Maybe Naomi planned ahead anyway. I got the impression they all had access to the roster, but only he'd dedicated enough time to memorize it. Survivor's guilt, I guess.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 2:41 a.m. CST

    Where do these people get funding?!

    by skywalkerfamily

    Dharma, where did their money come from? Why all the hatches? This black guy and his group, where did he get his money to fund his expedition.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 3:50 a.m. CST

    did Abaddon set Naomi up to fail?

    by Maniaq

    I don't think Abaddon wanted ANYONE off that island - Ben was just for starters - that's why he wasn't interested in knowing if there were any survivors BEFORE he sent his team in but was SURE AS HELL interested in knowing after the Six returned! <br> <br> I said it before and I'll say it again - six castaways may get off that island alive but NOBODY from that "rescue" team will...

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 6:48 a.m. CST

    some very cool deductions/theories on zap2it's article

    by couP

    http://blog.zap2it.com/ithappenedlastnight/2008/02/lost-the-d-team.html <br /><br />

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 6:52 a.m. CST

    without those damn spaces..ben's airport photo

    by couP

    when DID he leave the island?

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 8:50 a.m. CST

    People complaining about flashbacks

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    People complaining about flashbacks or other scenes that don't "belong" to a character are making a huge assumption. For instance the Naomi flashback of this episode, and the fact that she's dead. I never took the flashbacks to be the characters actually thinking back and remembering that time. In fact I DON'T think that's what is happening. What, are they thinking about the future and "remembering" that too? <p>The narrative jumps around in time, it's not tied to the characters' actually thinking about that stuff, so they don't need to be alive in order for the viewer to be privy to it. <p>So this guy in the EW article is barking up the wrong tree with his "narrative cheat" shit.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 8:55 a.m. CST

    thedudelar

    by ElPaw

    He was in the Bahamas, and there might be less strict regulations there. In fact there probably is. America has the strictest TV regulations outside the Islamic world.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Charlotte to be used more for Season 5?

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    She's probably meant to help explore the ruins of the ancient civilization on the island -- probably the same locations (The Temple) where the Others are going to. And it seems like Miles' purpose is to communicate with Jacob. But you know what? I think I'd like it a lot more if Lindoff and Cuse set everything up so it APPEARS so obvious that these characters will be used for these appropriate purposes -- and then pull the rug out from under us... like, instead, they get killed off in interesting ways. Like, both Locke and Ben figure Miles can talk to Jacob, but Locke is devastated that Ben kills Miles in order to stop him from doing this. And The Others murder Charlotte before she has the chance to tell the Lostaways (and the viewers) what she has discovered in The Temple.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 10:57 a.m. CST

    This...THIS is great!

    by Napoleon Park

    The AICN Lost talkbacks have really come back to life. Great theorizing, great humor. The h8ters drop in before the ep airs then get shouted down and outlasted by the fans. It's a great season (quarter season or no) and it's inspiring some great discussion. This stuff is a small but solid chunk of what makes Lost so great. Lovin' it.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Oh yeah, and Charlottes Vest...

    by Napoleon Park

    If Charlotte's Vest was full of kidneys, she'd be dead by now.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Question for anyone

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    I saw all the copter crew flashbacks. All of them made sense to me except Dan's (that was his name right, I already forgot). So he's a physicist, and he's watching an announcement on 815 on tv, and start's crying, well not exactly, but anyway. So I guess the question is what was the point of his flashback?

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Also you know we'll see Mikhail again

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    I swear the guy's got to be a Terminator. Electronic fence, just short circuited him until he reset. Then he gets a spear in him. We see blood because of his outer casing, then later he's off. Seriously though, the guy should be called Timex, he keeps a licking and then whammo, he's back for more.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Desmond/Penny brother sister has a flaw

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    By the time Desmond proposed I'm pretty sure they were getting it on. Unless Desmond was still into the monk thing. If Widmore really wanted them apart for that reason he would have either explained it to Des or made sure they wouldn't be together, not just insult him, and ask him to leave his office then bribe him later. Good theory up to that point.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 11:36 a.m. CST

    brother sister theory that is to say

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Dan's female companion

    by ElPaw

    Anyone know who she is? I think she is important. Her head was always out of shot in his flashback, with the camera following her legs around, kind of like with Desmond in MOSMOF

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Faraday...

    by Sick Fixx

    is also the last name of the guy who was set up as the terrorist by the real terrorist in Arlington Road. With Darlton proclaiming recently that all the names are carefully selected for a reason, I wonder if this could be a clue?

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Going with my Arlington Road theory...

    by Sick Fixx

    I would say Daniel Faraday is as good as dead. Ben will set him up to look like the mole, but it's really Miles, who has already proven to have an affection for the unknown, which Ben could obviously lend some insight on based on his contact with Jacob, the Island, etc.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 12:23 p.m. CST

    As for Fisher Stevens and Minkowski...

    by Sick Fixx

    I believe Fisher Stevens just walked away from the project when the WGA problem was not making any movement. You have to admit, the guy playing Faraday looks an awful lot like Fisher Stevens. Minkowski was probably just his originally intended name, which they later changed to Faraday.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 1:40 p.m. CST

    The Strike maybe over before Monday!!

    by ChrisVenom

    according to Variety a deal has been preposed, they are just waiting on other members of the WGA to vote in favor of the deal. They also said the writers can be back to work as soon as Monday. *Crosses fingers*

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Fisher Stevens

    by Bouncy X

    his name is in the opening credits so i'm sure he'll show up soon. in fact even micheal's name has been in the credits these last 2 episodes and he has yet to show up. its weird, i mean know they dont remove an actor from credits because he/she misses an episode but when a new season starts, if they're a new character or an old one who hasn't been around for a long time, their name shouldnt be there until their first appearance. it gets hopes up.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 2:26 p.m. CST

    I think the time travel theory

    by TerryMalloy

    about the island is really cool and answers a lot of questions. But it does not begin to answer all the supernatural occurrences on the island. How exactly is Locke healed? Why do DEAD people walk around? Surely there can't be a scientific explanation for all of this. Could there be?

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Maybe some of the native plants have

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    ahem medicinal properties which allows the imbiber, uh excuse me, the patient to er um experience different things.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Grammaton

    by TerryMalloy

    Interesting. But I don't recall seeing Locke smoking weed right after the crash. But you're on to something...

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 2:32 p.m. CST

    reasessing abaddon's question to Hurley in ep. 1

    by dgram

    Hi, I haven't noticed any mention of this yet, but it also appears the rather cryptic question Abaddon asks Hurley in ep. 1, "Are they still alive?" can now be explained: Abaddon wasn't asking about the passengers of 815, he was asking about the team that he assembled and sent to the island. This means that in the flashforwards, none of the team return, and it's kind of cool that their fate was implicitly confirmed for the audience before the characters had even made an appearance. Moreover, this gives two possible angles to Hurley's reaction (or really three). Either a) like viewers thought last week, Hurley was freaked out because Abaddon seems to know there were more suvivors of 815 than the 6, or b) Hurley guesses that Abaddon is referring the "rescue team" (and who knows what "will have already happened" to this team by the time of the flashforward or what agendas the team might have revealed to Hurley et.al.—possibly even concerning Abaddon himself). The third option, c), would of course be all of the above. So, in the future, Abaddon and whomever he works for are apparently still wondering what happened to the team. Abaddon's obviously not with Oceanic. He could be with Widmore or DHARMA. But he's appears pretty high up on the totem pole, so I wonder, when people speculate that the 6 made a "deal" to get off the island, then with whom did they actually make the deal? It wouldn't be with whomever Abaddon is working for since it appears that Abaddon doesn't even know what happened to his own team, and he would know this, I would think, if some deal had been brokered. Or (and this is obviously wild speculation), maybe the Oceanic 6 did make a deal with whomever Abaddon was working for but Abaddon doesn't know anything about it. You know, The Wire is my favorite tv show and it's cool to see Lance Reddick shine on Lost. So following up the last wild speculation with even wilder speculation, I think it would be pretty cool if we eventually find out that Abaddon was indeed working for Widmore or DHARMA when he assemebled the team, but then left or was shut out when he persisted in trying to find out what happened to them. In this scenario, Abaddon would be in the mode of "no soldier left behind," even if it meant going off the reservation. Who knows? If this were the case, he might even prove to be an ally of the Oceanic 6 when they decide to go back to the island. As having worked for Widmore/DHARMA/whomever, he would have inside info, and it would be a nice parallel to The Wire, where Reddick's character, Daniels, seemed initially to be a asshole company man but ends up being loyal the footsoldiers.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 2:40 p.m. CST

    I designed this to go on a t-shirt:

    by ronniethebear

    <img src="http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y96/ronniethebear/TRUST_LOCKE_Color.jpg">

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 2:41 p.m. CST

    I designed this to go on a t-shirt:

    by ronniethebear

    http://tinyurl.com/3dodvn

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 2:41 p.m. CST

    "Are they still alive"

    by TerryMalloy

    I agree with ya dgram. Abbadon seems to be referring to the rescue team. Obviously this did not sit well with Hurley. The implication we have in the flashforwards is that something very bad happened on that island in order for the six to escape. <p> I don't think the six make a "deal" to get off the island. However, I do think they made a pact with EACH OTHER to never tell what happened on the island, specifically whatever happened to the rescue team. Something very bad happened on that island, something all of them want to bury forever. Very intriguing stuff. </p>

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Ronnie

    by rbrog77

    I like the design, but I'd rather have mine with a circle with a line through it over Locke's face. <P> I don't trust him.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 3:13 p.m. CST

    What if the rescuers want to stay

    by Jor-El23

    on the island. Dgram, I like your idea but what if the rescuers decide to stay and the Oceanic 6 just get off themself? Sayid can fly a chopper, there's no reason why he wouldn't be able to leave with whoever else leaves. I could see all 4 rescuers wanting to stay for their own reasons. Lapidus because of his guilt and the rest because of their intense curiosity about the island. Maybe, as someone already pointed out, Charlotte originally came from the island? Maybe Miles was pulled their by whatever the hell is going on with Jacob, Christian and Walt. As for Daniel, it was obvious when they found the wreckage that he was profoundly impacted by it. Why? Plus he's a mathematician. He would have an obvious interest in the place. But then why do Hurley and later Jack feel they need to go back?

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 3:17 p.m. CST

    If they decide to stay Jor-El

    by TerryMalloy

    why would Hurley act so weird when Abbaddon asked them if they were still alive? If I were Hurley, I would just be like "You mean the rescue team? Yeah, probably. Go to the island and see for yourself."

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Why does anyone do anything on Lost?

    by Jor-El23

    I don't know but it seems like all 4 of them really wanted to get to that island. It seems like all 4 of them would have really strong reasons to want to stay. And maybe Hurley doesn't want Abbadon to find them or anyone else on that island.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 3:45 p.m. CST

    I agree that the 4 of them want to stay

    by TerryMalloy

    but I don't think they are still alive. Somethin' bad is about to happen.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Locke Killed Boon!

    by BrightEyes

    Hes not a great person. every anti social person i know Loves locke, all the lames love locke. JACK is a true hero, he is a real Man and had real emotions, sorry the rest of you are so uncomfortable with someone with feelings and regrets about life. TEAM JACK FOR LIFE!

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 3:52 p.m. CST

    the reason the anti socials love Locke

    by Sick Fixx

    is because he is a victim of a perverted, morally lacking society. He is a selfless person in a world full of self obsessed people. Anyone who is like that is deemed 'anti-social'. Brighteyes, I'll bet you even make fun of your anti-social friends and tell them they need to 'lighten up', 'get laid', 'have some fun', right?

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Locke killed Boone

    by TerryMalloy

    because he didn't reveal the right information about his injuries. I will grant you that. But Jack tried to kill Locke in cold blood with his gun. They both are a little wacky.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 4 p.m. CST

    Good point Sick Fixx

    by TerryMalloy

    I'm totally with you. Anti-socials forever!

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 4:12 p.m. CST

    ronniethebear

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    best. t-shirt. ever.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I went there.

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    I did the periods. Deal.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Cholera's Ghost

    by TerryMalloy

    Hyperbole= BEST. THING. EVER.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Abbaddon's message to Hurley...

    by Cheif Brody

    I think he's talking about the rest of the Losties that got left behind. Why would Hurley give a rat's ass about Abbaddon's team? No...he's asking Hurley if he believes Claire & Aaron...and Locke....and Sawyer are still alive. He knows Hurley is probably haunted by the fact that only 6 made it off the island....and many of his friends remained behind. <P> I think it was part of the condition of them getting to leave. I think Jack & his team fought valiantly to get them ALL off...but it becomes a "leave now or we'll ALL die" situation...and Jack & his crew make the awful decision to abandon them in order to rescue themselves. Hmmmm....abandon...Abbaddon? <P> Mel...I realize I may be overthinking Widmore's preoccupation with Desmond & Penny's relationship...it may have nothing to do with Desmond...it may be Desmond's father wronged Widmore in the past. Only another Desmond or Widmore flashback will clear any of this up. But I still contend Widmore DID "lock up Des and threw away the key"...in The Swan Hatch...He just picked a location where he KNEW Penny would NEVER be able to find...no matter how much $$$ and determination she put into a search. <P> But Charles underestimated his daughter's determination.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Indeed Terry. Now about Ana Lucia...

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    I missed some of the first part of the 2nd season, so I didn't get all the bigtime hate. But I'm watching those episodes I missed and I'm like goddAMN bitch! You don't talk to my boys (Jin, Sawyer, Michael) like that! If a woman ever talked to me like that I'd be all like "Ay! You get your bitch ass back in the kitchen and make me some pie!"

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 4:30 p.m. CST

    I agree that Hurley would care more about

    by TerryMalloy

    the rest of the losties than the rescue team. But why would Abbaddon? He only cares about the rescue team.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Don't even mention Ana Lucia

    by TerryMalloy

    I really, really hated her. I didn't really like the entire concept of the tailies. Just a waste of time about characters we don't care about. Most of them ended up dying anyways.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Now it seems like Hurley would care more about the Losties

    by Jor-El23

    But who knows what will happen? We don't know how many more days the Oceanic 6 have left on the island. We might not see them leave the island until midway next season or maybe even the end of 5, who knows?

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Wait a tic "wehavetogoback"

    by TerryMalloy

    If Abbadon was involved in the "cover-up" about the other people still on the island, wouldn't he know that they were alive? Or dead? Wouldn't that be part of the discussion of the cover-up?

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 4:49 p.m. CST

    The fact that Abbadon is still in the dark

    by Jor-El23

    post-rescue, makes me think that the Oceanic 6 left the island by themselves and either got to the freighter or went somewhere else.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Wouldn't Hurley have recognized him?

    by TerryMalloy

    This has to be the first time Hurley has seen him.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Terry...Yes...Abbaddon knows if they are alive or not.

    by Cheif Brody

    But...perhaps he even needs Mr. Reyes help in finding that damn ellusive island again. I think he's trying to put together a NEW team...and he started by contacting Hurley. <P> Perhaps he knows Hurley can find the island again (Hurley's lotto numbers are the longitude & latitude). I dunno...but he probably wants Hurley to go back and see if his "rescue team" completed their mission...but Hurley can't do it alone....he needs Jack's help.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Agent Johnson

    by TerryMalloy

    It's a big mystery. </p> The producers say it is not nano-technology. Ok. Well, then it must be organic. No man could make something like that without nano-technology. Maybe it's some kind of visible wormhole in the space/time continuum ala Donnie Darko. A kind of floating black hole. </p>

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Cheif Brody

    by TerryMalloy

    First off, I loved how you killed that great white shark. You are way cool. <p> Second, if he was trying to form a new team, why did he offer Hurley a stay in the Ritz Carlton Insane Asylum? What if Hurley accepted? </p> <p> Third, if he wanted a team, he didn't have to act so creepy. Being creepy really isn't going to help a crazy man go back to a scary island. Maybe Abbaddon is socially retarded or something. </p>

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Agent Johnson...Smoke Monster....

    by Cheif Brody

    Everytime someone says Smokie is "alien technology", I die a little inside. <P> If UFO's and Aliens are revealed to be behind the mysteries of Lost...the writer's will have copped out so badly that I will throw my TV into my swimming pool and never watch it again. <P> I think you and Agents Mulder & Scully should go back to Area 51 rethink your theories.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Agent Johnson

    by TerryMalloy

    What do you think of the "smokie as a wormhole" theory? It makes more sense now I think about it. That is how it is able to show images from a person's past. And why it seems to disappear and reappear. It's traveling through time.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Yeah, no aliens please

    by TerryMalloy

    And please no "it was all a dream" bullshit.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 5:26 p.m. CST

    I like the idea of Ben as the island's protector/keeper

    by TerryMalloy

    and Abadon as its exploiter.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Terry...Abbaddon's offer...

    by Cheif Brody

    Oh...you mean the "Ocean View" room he offered Hurley? <P> Could that have been code for "The Island"? <P> I don't think he was talking about Hurley moving to another facility. He may be retarded....but I have a feeling Abbaddon ain't stupid. <P> And...Jaws is my favorite movie of all time....and I loved seeing the Dharma Shark on the show...and Sawyer singing "Farewell & Adieu" while he and Kate were paddling back to the main island....and I loved the shark drawn on the chalkboard in the rec room of Hurley's nut house...looked exactly like the shark drawing that Quint dragged his nails across in the city council scene in Jaws. <P> Glad to see my favorite show pay homage to my favorite movie.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 5:31 p.m. CST

    What about the kids!

    by skywalkerfamily

    That the Others captured? What about the flight attendant that Jack knew? What happened to them?

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 5:37 p.m. CST

    I will cut the writer's some slack...

    by Cheif Brody

    If they want to blame SOME of the island's mysteries on advanced scientific research that Dharma conducted...that only the island's mystical properties could have allowed to come into exsistence. The island made ordinary research results fly off the grid...and took Dharma into a whole new realm of scientific breakthroughs. I'm all for "super science gone horribly wrong" explanations... <P> But leave the aliens and unicorns to some other lame Sci-Fi Channel show. <P> I'm out again for the night...see ya'll soon!

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Aw...Agent Johnson...

    by Cheif Brody

    I just died a little more with your last post!!

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Cheif

    by TerryMalloy

    I must have missed the "ocean view" subtext. That's pretty funny in hindsight. <p> Jaws is also my favorite flick of all time. I hope we see more Dharma shark. </p>

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Agent Johnson

    by TerryMalloy

    I don't think aliens has even been hinted at after four seasons so I am highly skeptical. It would be too much of a shift for the casual fan for it to be aliens in my humble estimation

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 5:49 p.m. CST

    is Jacob the island?

    by Maniaq

    seems the island (smoke monster?) manifests itself in the form of people (mostly) in order to communicate with those living on it - including taking the form of someone called Jacob who we haven't met yet but is someone from Ben's - and likely Richard's - past. First it took the form of Ben's mother, then this Jacob guy. <br> <br> Locke's never met this Jacob guy so when Ben took him to meet him, it didn't quite work right because it couldn't take an appropriate form. It's appeared to Locke as Boone, but that's not gonna work for Ben... <br> <br> As Locke is about to leave, it desperately reaches out, doing the only thing possible with both men in the room together - it whispers to Locke in a voice Ben can't hear - likely Boone's voice but I'm sure that's not something worth getting the right actor in for... <br> <br> So when Hurley sees it, first it takes the form of Christian - which begs the question, did Hurley ever meet Christian? <br> <br> It's either like that or Jacob's some 4400-style guy form the future who drops in to manipulate the past but if they go with this island-trapped-in-time-warp-hole thing with echoes of Trek's awful "Time War" story then I'm going to be REAL disappointed! <br> <br> I think the explanation for the polar bear in Tunisia is going to end up being a lot more mundane than some of the theories posited on these talkbacks - obviously it's part of some Dharma experiment but I dunno about sending the beast back through time... I guess they sent Des to London in the past so.. maybe... <br> <br> Maybe it's got something to do with "the Incident" - which could be a possible explanation as to Charlotte's presence on the team - we don't know she's an archaeologist, maybe she was just a Dharma/Widmore/whomever representative at an archaeological dig and her speciality is actually something more "Incident" related? <br> <br> She did have that satisfied "gotcha" look when she found that collar, instead of a WTF? kinda look... <br> <br> Also whoever said it's something personal with Miles - I think you're spot on - I think this guy knows Ben as well as, say, Juliet does and he got burned by him (off-island) just like everybody else does...

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 5:50 p.m. CST

    one of my best friends brothers

    by BrightEyes

    is on the more anti social side and he loves locke and is all into his wierdness. If he lived in the show he would be a locke someone who loves the island and thinks about himself more then anyone else, letting people die and acting holier then thou. The thing I have noticed about most talkbackers is they LOVE Locke and cannot understand Jack, the reason they cant understand Jack is because Jack is a normal human being who has fallen in love gotten his heart broke, Try to help others out and take it personally when you can't help. Locke represents most of the Internet dudes who don't participate in life but are awesome on the Island/Internet. Jack represents all the people who are participater's in life and are emotionally charged and connected to life. TEAM JACK.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 5:56 p.m. CST

    I thought Locke was crazy during season one

    by TerryMalloy

    and sided with Jack's point of view. But now it's pretty obvious that Jack was wrong and shouldn't have left the islan.d

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 5:58 p.m. CST

    But that's why I love Locke

    by TerryMalloy

    he's interesting.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 6 p.m. CST

    Maniaq

    by TerryMalloy

    I can't imagine why Jacob would take the form of Christian if Hurley saw him. Doesn't make any sense to me.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 6:04 p.m. CST

    the alien thing

    by Maniaq

    I'm pretty sure the writers laughed off the "Aliens" theories with Juliet's throwaway line last season that they were "building a runway" for an alien spaceship - with tongue planted firmly in cheek... <br> <br> I, for one, took that as a reassurance that "NO WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE ALIENS ON THIS SHOW"

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 6:07 p.m. CST

    And how could You call Locke Selflish sickfix

    by BrightEyes

    He easilly one of the most selfish characters on the show and even Locke fans can't deny that he's so much more selfish then Jack. Since Season 1 Locke has been thinking only of himself. Ben knows that Locke is a nobody off the island and when he reminded that to Locke he knew he would have to doanything to stay on the island. I knew I hated Locke when I found out he was the one who knocked out Sayid in season one. All Jack cares about is others( not the) and all Locke cares about is himself. Don't get me wrong I love so called anti social people, and don't wanna come off as a hater or a dick, but its what I have noticed about Locke fans.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 6:11 p.m. CST

    not an argument of was Locke right or wrong

    by BrightEyes

    Though even Hurley told Jack that he should have stayed with him instead of Locke so I'm guessing Locke does some more back stabbing to make hurley feel that way. It was about being a selfish character. and Locke makes the show great! just hate him just like Ben makes the show great but I hate him as well but not nearly as much as I hate Locke. TEAM JACK.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 6:13 p.m. CST

    *selfless

    by BrightEyes

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Team Jack/Team Locke

    by Maniaq

    Am I the only one who doesn't feel compelled to love one and hate the other - and find ways to justify it? They are both well drawn characters, both have their flaws - just like real people - and both also have their moments of awesomeness! <br> <br> Shit, just this last episode, Jack had me cheering with his "how stupid are ya" bit and Locke had me gobsmacked with his "I'd probably be dead if I still had a kidney there" line!

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 6:29 p.m. CST

    yeah i feel for and like both

    by TerryMalloy

    They are given three dimensions by the writers and the actors.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 6:39 p.m. CST

    off the island

    by TerryMalloy

    I would like to watch a Sawyer spinoff. On the island Locke. But most of all, Kate's ass

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Kate's ass is kind of a top priority

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    I also agree that it's possible to not take sides on Team Locke and Team Jack. I'm a man of science, but for this show I'm with Team Locke. But that's not to say I hate Jack. To tell the truth, there are a lot of characters in this show I like so much it's really kind of a struggle to come up with a hands-down "favorite". This hardly ever happens. I ascribe it to how well written, three-dimensional they are, with their own unique blends of awesomeness, and, of course, badass lines.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Alien hybrids would not look like humans

    by Sick Fixx

    They would look extremely weird and unable to fit into normal society. So there goes that theory.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Demons, devils, and angels

    by TerryMalloy

    I always liked the idea that the Island was purgatory but that seems completely debunked at this point.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Oh and in the case some of you don't hate Ana Lucia

    by TerryMalloy

    Be reminded that she killed Shannon.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Of course they've been able to keep up the mystery

    by Sick Fixx

    It's easy to keep a mystery going when the writer doesn't even know what the mystery's about.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 8:29 p.m. CST

    shannon was hot. such a waste.

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    I never did see her and Sayid as that compatible though. How did those two hook up again? What were the circumstances?

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 8:31 p.m. CST

    They know what the mystery is Sick Fixx

    by TerryMalloy

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 8:34 p.m. CST

    The circumstances

    by TerryMalloy

    1) Deserted on a freaky deaky island 2) Being horny.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Here's why LOST continues to frustrate . . .

    by Despacio

    because at the end of the episode when Ben is spilling info, he says what the recon group has come for. Ok, fine, they've come for him. But then Locke asks the next question, "How do you know this?" Umm, no, the next natural question is not how do you know this, it's WHY! WHY have they come for you? Why do they want Ben? But of course in the world of LOST the natural reaction is not the right reaction. And that is why LOST continues to frustrate. Despite the laid out plan over the next two years it appears some things will never change.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 8:44 p.m. CST

    the circumstances

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    true, but what with all the "I love you..."

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 8:57 p.m. CST

    The ghostbuster was looking for Yemi!

    by skywalkerfamily

    Or Echo. Echo was a gang leader.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 8:57 p.m. CST

    That never really worked for me Cholera's Ghost

    by TerryMalloy

    Sayid's real love is Nadia. I think Sayid just felt sympathy for Shannon because she felt useless. Their relationship only lasted like 35 days anyway.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 9:02 p.m. CST

    You are clearsighted as the noonday, T

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 9:10 p.m. CST

    Xiphos just had a premature postaculation

    by TerryMalloy

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 9:12 p.m. CST

    I like long dark hair and olive skin

    by TerryMalloy

    but not if it is attached to a psychotic bitch.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 9:13 p.m. CST

    If you'll pardon my French

    by TerryMalloy

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Not so much Xiphos.

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    but if she starts looking for it, I'm like "you knew what this was."

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Xiphos

    by TerryMalloy

    Blame Canada.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Um, I have a question people

    by TerryMalloy

    How do the Others have such extensive files on each of the losties? For instance, Richard Alpert give Locke James Ford's file. How did the others know that information? Ethan could not possibly have found that out.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 9:29 p.m. CST

    I hadn't thought of that

    by TerryMalloy

    but I wouldn't think you would be able to google that Sawyer was a con artist looking to kill Locke's dad. Right?

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Mikhail got the files on everyone using his

    by skywalkerfamily

    station. It was all explained in the episode Enter 77.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 9:30 p.m. CST

    And how did they know Sawyer killed Frank Duckett?

    by TerryMalloy

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Does the station read people's memories?

    by TerryMalloy

    No one knew that Sawyer killed Frank Duckett except Sawyer.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 9:46 p.m. CST

    I guess it's possible that Robert Patrick

    by TerryMalloy

    was an other. He has played a terminator.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 9:47 p.m. CST

    But that would mean the others

    by TerryMalloy

    targeted each and every other lostie to come on the island. And it wouldn't have been an unknown event. Which it was. So X to that theory.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 9:48 p.m. CST

    "it" being the crash of Oceanic 815

    by TerryMalloy

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 9:49 p.m. CST

    I'm sure the real Sawyer probably had info

    by skywalkerfamily

    on James Ford. The real Sawyer seemed to know a lot about him.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 9:56 p.m. CST

    I guess they figured it out from the real Sawyer

    by TerryMalloy

    since the magic box spat him out on the island.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 9:57 p.m. CST

    on a side note

    by TerryMalloy

    the next episode will take place on Christmas Day, 2004.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 9:59 p.m. CST

    I wonder if Nadia is on the island?

    by skywalkerfamily

    If Ben knew so much about everyone, would he try to bring her to the island, also?

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 10:06 p.m. CST

    How the Others get info...

    by eman_1293

    is a mystery to me. I'm not even sure how they obtained Jack's files. Did anyone notice Ben tell Juliet they had no contact with the outside world and, therefore, couldn't get off the island (before the submarine went KABOOM!) Well, how did they manage to get a live video feed of Jules's sister? Did they send an agent out on the field like Richard Alpert and Ethan when they recruited Juliet? Also, we STILL don't know how Locke's father got out of that big-ass box Ben kept referring to.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 10:12 p.m. CST

    They couldn't get information out after the

    by skywalkerfamily

    sky went purple. Before, it was no problem. Juliet arrived before the sky went purple, and Ben showed Juliet her sister the day the plane crashed on the island.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 10:13 p.m. CST

    There is no "box" per se that Ben talks about

    by skywalkerfamily

    Ben had Locke's Dad brought to the island after Ben read Locke's file probably.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Sayid and Shannon only hooked up because

    by Sick Fixx

    Sayid wanted to put her in a burka. Sure, he was sweet and affectionate to her while he was courting her. But if she had lived to marry him, he would have done a complete 180.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 10:45 p.m. CST

    Sawyer wouldn't have been that hard

    by Maniaq

    Remember James Ford was set up to execute the wrong guy in Sydney - seemed to me like everybody, or at least SOME other people knew his story well enough to send him after that wild goose. Sure the alias "Tom Sawyer" would produce millions of hits against a criminal database but when you match that up against the times and places in the Ford family history, that's going to narrow down your suspects very quickly... <br> <br> Sawyer did not have the resources to be able to track down his nemesis but not really that difficult for someone with hisown submarine... <br> <br> btw I think maybe Alpert really is from the Black Rock - there's too much strange about him and his name does sound French - I'd love to see what happens if he an Rousseau come face to face!

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 10:54 p.m. CST

    Sure, Shannon's attractive but...

    by eman_1293

    She is single-handedly the least significant character of the series to date (including Vincent). I never understood the purpose of introducing her and Boone (who had far more to do in his EVEN SHORTER lifespan) as incestual siblings and killing her off near the beginning of S2. Was she S1's Libby?<p> While we're on the subject: why all the hate for Ana-Lucia? If anything, the fact that she shot the only person on the island that bitched about something OTHER than being stuck on an island is a plus in my book. I always thought of her as the "female Jack", albeit much more manlier.

  • Feb. 9, 2008, 11:46 p.m. CST

    Finally watched it!

    by theBigE

    I finally got to see the complete episode 4.2, after catching bits of it on Thursday! You guys have already dissected thoroughly, but here's some more thoughts of mine: <p> That did look like young Yemi on the wall at Mrs. Johnson's house. And the fact that they focused on it - twice, leads me to believe it was him, somehow. I'm too lazy/busy to pull out season 2 and watch it to confirm that. <p> Loved the "how stupid are you" scene with Jack, and loved Sawyer's comments about "Tall Ghost Walt" to Locke! <p> The plane was found off Idonesia? Is that on the flight path from Sydney to LA? Why were they even looking there? <p> If the island is in the Indian Ocean, as the "found flight 815" was, and it's almost Christmas 2004 on the island, does that mean a Tsunami is coming? <p> Great episode - had some awesome moments in it! I'll admit I was mildly let down last week, but no such reaction this time!

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 2:43 a.m. CST

    LOST GOOD.

    by wackybantha

    FIRE BAD.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 2:58 a.m. CST

    where ya been E?

    by Maniaq

    I think the idea with the plane - and I admit this is a birrova stretch - is that it drifted underwater before finally resting somewhere near Indonesia? <br> <br> One way or another, they got some serious explainin to do on that one! Forget drunk washout pilots, if I were related to someone on that plane I'd be asking some SERIOUS questions about how a plane travelling Sydney to LA ends up in a whole other OCEAN on the other side of the CONTINENT!

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 5:13 a.m. CST

    Why Jack wants to return to the island...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    In Hurley's flash-forward, we saw that Jack wanted to ensure that Hurley kept whatever secret that the Oceanic 6 agreed on. So what happened between then and the flash-forward in the season finale when Jack desperately wanted to return to the island? What changed his mind? Well, here's my guess (prediction): Claire's mother and aunt visited him, and Jack then learned that Claire is his sister. I think that would be one very strong motivation for Jack to return. He might be further motivated if his mother dies -- I can easily imagine a scene when Jack has to deal with the death of his mother, and he realizes that he is alone now/without a family, and then he learns that Claire is related to him.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 5:17 a.m. CST

    Oops: Claire's mother is a veg...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    Forgot about that detail. But Claire's aunt could pay a visit to Jack, and Jack could go see Claire's mom in the hospital, and that's when he could learn the truth about his father through Claire's aunt. His own mother, if she's dying (from a natural cause, like cancer or something), could tell Jack that his father was not always faithful to her.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 6:49 a.m. CST

    Good theory, prof

    by theBigE

    Jack going back for his sister would be quite the motivation - of all the theories posted this week, I haven't seen that one yet.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 6:53 a.m. CST

    Maniaq - that's some drift!

    by theBigE

    The plane was off-course, but wouldn't it be thousands, not hundreds of miles off course to end up in the Indian ocean? Does anyone know what path a plane from Sydney to LA takes? <p> OT - is it blizzarding with 45 mph winds and 20 below windchill for anyone else this morning? I just got back from a conference last night and it was miserable driving home! Got to love the midwest winter!

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 6:54 a.m. CST

    So when do Claire and Aaron get on the helicopter?

    by theBigE

    Will Desmond's vision come true? Don't Aaron and Claire get rescued? Will they be part of the Oceanic 6?

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 7 a.m. CST

    Frank Lapidus

    by theBigE

    Anyone got an idea for the significance of his name? Seems like a strange name. Is Lapidus an anagram for anything? All I can come up with is Lapidus = Us Plaid. <p>or Lapidus = Aid Plus <p>or Lapidus = Laid Ups <p>or Lapidus = Dual Sip

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Ben's Mole

    by Miss Red

    My guess is that it's Charlotte. That would be why Ben knew so much about her. Ben would also know that she was wearing a vest, and where to shoot her so she wouldn't be incapacitated. It would be 'so very Ben' if he used the shooting to throw the castaways off the scent.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Spoilers Reiterated

    by Butt Juice

    http://tinyurl.com/yqk8nt and http://www.aintitcool.com/talkback_display/35461#comment_1878539

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 8:20 a.m. CST

    I Mean

    by Butt Juice

    http://tinyurl.com/37p2eo

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST

    what 2 of the rescuers have in common.

    by PhilipMarlowe

    Both Frank & Charlotte knew that the discover of the 815 wreckage is fake. It's obvious with Frank. In Tunisia as Charlotte reads the article about the discovery,her campanion asks something like-"How many languages do you have to read it in before you will believe it?" Charlotte's reply" How many languages are there?" She didn't seem very surprised about the discovery of the bear remains and she seemed to know what she was looking for regarding the collar. Seemed like she was trying to verify what she already knew.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 11:49 a.m. CST

    maybe the island is in a parallel universe

    by lynxpro

    The electrical discharge opened up the barrier between the two universes so a second Oceanic plane entered this reality. The Oceanic "survivors" are not from the same universe...that is why Locke can walk, because he is not bound by the limitations placed on him from his native universe. Throw in some Donnie Darko and Doctor Who elements into the mix and that's probably where the show is heading to.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Oh, look, there's a polar bear. And a Dharma icon.

    by AllieJamison

    The Polar-bear-Charlotte flashback was quite cheesy.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 1:19 p.m. CST

    D. Vader

    by TerryMalloy

    I think that is obvious. The question is of course "why". Why would they lie? Why would they make this deal? And to whom did they make it?

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 1:51 p.m. CST

    ...

    by AllieJamison

    Ooohhh. That little piece by Vozzek69 over at the darkufo blog is very interesting. If Abbadon & Co staged the Polar Bear in Tunisia thing its cheesiness could be explained... Those Cultural Anthropologist chicks get tricked easily...

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 2:01 p.m. CST

    If that's the case Vader

    by TerryMalloy

    It is surprising that they would make that deal. Jack doesn't seem to be the type that would abandon the rest of the losties and not come back for them. Plus, after they are rescued, there is little impetus for them to keep what happened a secret. If they wanted their friends to be found, all they would have to do is spill the beans. What would it cost them?

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Ben: Evil Genious

    by maxwell's hammer

    I like the theory that maybe Ben planted the fake place crash in the Ocean. He's trying to fool the outside world, but Abbadon isn't buying it, so he sends in his team...then in the flashforward, he's still trying to get the Oceanic 6 to spill the beans. But Ben has made some kind of deal with Jack and his gang to keep quiet. Jack dealing with Ben would be a pretty cool turn.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 2:02 p.m. CST

    The polar bear went through time like Desmond

    by skywalkerfamily

    It was probably near the hatch when it went up.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 2:03 p.m. CST

    I was dubious of the polar bear fossil

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    Doubly dubious. D. Vader, I like your theory, but why would they take the 6 at all? The risk would be too great not to just leave them on the island, unless there was a big motivation for separating the Oceanic 6 from the rest of the survivors.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Cholera's Ghost - a brief non-sequitur

    by TerryMalloy

    Do you remember Mr. Saxon? Did he get banned or what?

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Flaws in the "time out of sync" theory--

    by TallBoy66

    I've always bought into the "time on island moves slower than real world" bit, but there's two things going on here: 1) In the webisode about Walt "Room 23" (he's not actually in it) it's shown that the Others are keeping Walt in a room on the Hydra station, not "off island" which would cause him to "grow up". Flimsy one, I know, but I think reason #2 is stronger, which is: The day Flight 815 crashed, Ben and Juliet went to Mikial's monitoring station, and Ben showed Juliet footage of her perviously cancer-ridden sister playing with her son in the "outside world". Ben asked Richard (the guy who was monitoring them) to show the date on the day's newspaper, which was Sept 22nd, the day 815 crashed on the island. So, unless Ben had staged all the footage to ALSO include that exact date, I think you can assume that time flies at the same rate. Of course, what supports time being out of sync is Walt getting older, and Naomi's fucked up future-tastic sci-fi phone. Argh!!!

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 2:26 p.m. CST

    What I don't get about Ben's role in this whole thing

    by TerryMalloy

    is that apparently he was only planned by the writers to be in two episodes but they liked the actor so much they expanded his role. He seems like to much of an important character for them to have done this.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 2:38 p.m. CST

    ben's role

    by maxwell's hammer

    As someone who has done some writing, its not too far fetched to imagine that there were originally two seperate characters: 'Fake Henry Gale', who gets captured by the Losties to fuck with their heads, and 'Mysterious Leader', who all The Others report to. They then like Micheal Emerson so much in his much smaller role that they combine the two together to take advantage of how fucking creepy Emerson can be. 'Ben' could have always been an idea for a character, but when 'Fake Henry Gale' was introduced, there wasn't anything that said the two had to be the same person.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 2:42 p.m. CST

    D. Vader

    by maxwell's hammer

    I think Jack does make a deal with the devil, and that devil is Ben. Who wants all the stuff on the island to stay a secret? Ben. Who wants to find the island and the people there? Abaddon. Who is lied to and who is protected when Hurley and Jack lie about the island? Connect the dots.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Maxwell's hammer

    by TerryMalloy

    That alleviates my fear. Thank you.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Deal with the devil

    by TerryMalloy

    What could Ben possibly use as leverage against Jack?

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 2:47 p.m. CST

    I don't know Terry.

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    He didn't seem the get-banned type. Although I sometimes go for weeks or months without posting, so who knows? <p>D.Vader, I like your train of thought about events just getting out of hand instead of some selfish deal being made. Doesn't look simple, whatever it is--the whole scenario, like the rest of the show, seems to be leading up to a kick-in-the-nuts kind of revelation.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 2:51 p.m. CST

    If I was a writer

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    I would definitely have sought to expand Emerson's role if I hadn't already after his first appearance. I'm watching the Henry episodes right now. I'd like to give it up to the man--as an actor he does one of the most convincing sinister villains I've ever seen on TV.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 2:53 p.m. CST

    leverage against Jack

    by maxwell's hammer

    Well, that's what makes the show so much fun to watch, now isn't it?<BR> <BR> And along those lines, I must pause for a rant: I think the reason I hate so many of the theories smoe of you people put forth, is that you are under the mistaken assumption that this show is like a game of chess. You think you see all the pieces and that if you think ahead and move all the pieces around, you can figure out the end-game.<BR> <BR> Then when something new shows up, like what's in the Hatch, or getting to see the lives of the Others, or meeting the Freighter People, everyone gets all pissed off and claims that the show is directionless and that there are too many loose plot threads.<BR> <BR> But this show isn't a game of chess. You don't know what all the pieces are, so all the theories about what is happening are usually way off-base. This show is more like a puzzle, with new pieces being introduced that continue being added until the show is over in a few years. The joy of the show is seeing new parts of the picture every week.<BR> <BR> And through every episode of this show to date, the producers have never given me reason to think they don't know what the big picture is.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Curse You TV!!

    by maxwell's hammer

    (shakes fist at heavens)

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 3 p.m. CST

    "the theories...are ususally way off-base"

    by TerryMalloy

    Yes. So what? We shouldn't theorize?

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 3:22 p.m. CST

    theories...

    by maxwell's hammer

    I'm not saying people shouldn't theorize, but the certainty with which some people discuss their theories (Michael is the Mole!!) is usually based on a false premise because they're assuming they have all the information, when they don't.<BR> <BR> And also, I'm complaining because I thought that's what the internet was for.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 3:30 p.m. CST

    You've come to the right place

    by TerryMalloy

    Rant away!

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 3:34 p.m. CST

    I am watching "through the looking glass the enhanced edition"

    by TerryMalloy

    And it mentioned that the newspaper article Jack reads on an Ocean flight mentions that the person that died was from New York. This confirms to me that Michael is dead.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 3:36 p.m. CST

    And I am 100 percent sure maxwell

    by TerryMalloy

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 3:51 p.m. CST

    newspaper clipping

    by maxwell's hammer

    The problem with the newspaper clipping is that no one knows if the newspaper prop is just an arbitrary newspaper clipping, or if it was intended to be read by viewers to give clues.<BR> <BR> If you take it at face value, then the obituary is about a man named Jo?? ??antham who apparently committed suicide in Los Angeles by hanging himself in his apartment at the Grand Tower Apartments.<BR> <BR> But, the producers have admitted in the past that some of the clippings and paperwork they use as props are created by the Props department, who have no working knowledge of the storylines.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Enhanced editions

    by theBigE

    Next week we apparently get an enhanced edition of "Confirmed Dead." Anyone think this is a good thing?

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Ben strikes me as...

    by lynxpro

    Ben reminds me of the character "The Mule" from Asimov's Foundation series. I'll leave it up to others to decide if Dharma is parallel to the Foundation or the Second Foundation from those books.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Abbadon

    by lynxpro

    Abbadon is the name of a Satan like evil from mythology. Captain Jack defeated him in the last season of "Torchwood".

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 4:15 p.m. CST

    I take that back...

    by lynxpro

    Abaddon is also an "angel" that possesses the key to the abyss that Satan is thrown into at the end of time. Fitting.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 4:19 p.m. CST

    I think name analysis is interesting

    by TerryMalloy

    but ultimately irrelevant to determining the island's mysteries. I think the writers just choose names to fuck with us. But that's me :)

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Jack's Downhill Slide...

    by wellaware1

    as bearded Jack is probably caused by the same type of apparitions that Hurley has seen (charlie). But Jack's apparation is probably his father telling him to go back...which would explain his confusion when he wanted the other doctor to bring his dad down and see who was more drunk.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 4:59 p.m. CST

    apparations...

    by maxwell's hammer

    I don't think jack is having apparations...(I think bringing his dad up in his flash-forward last season was just because he was in a drunken, drug-induced stupor)...Hurley on the other had has had a history of hallucinating going back to his last stay at Santa Rosa.<BR> <BR> I could be wrong though.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Apparations deux

    by wellaware1

    I think almost everyone on the island has seen an apparation, I assume that is how the island and/or Jacob communicates. I was just thinking how cool it would be in a future episode to revisit Jack getting ready to jump off the bridge but this time with his father standing there telling him he has to go back. I also could be way off.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 5:38 p.m. CST

    the one in the coffin was gong to talk?

    by Maniaq

    that makes sense - Hurley, or some other Oceanic-6 is sick of lying and is about to spill the beans on the whole fiasco and ends up in a coffin - although I can't see why Kate wouldn't want to go to Hurley's funeral - yet... <br> <br> I think the "deal" about lying to the rest of the world was made with the OTHER SURVIVORS - I think it will turn out to be in THEIR interest more than anyone else's for them to continue being presumed dead. <br> <br> Yeah I can believe some storm or confrontation or whatever on the freighter preventing the Six from going back for everyone else and, as it becomes obvious the rest will be in danger if they spill the beans, they lie and say everyone else is dead - and MARK MY WORDS - nobody from that freighter (specifically the Team) will confirm there are more than 6 survivors on that island and live to tell!

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 5:39 p.m. CST

    The mole being Michael makes perfect sense

    by Sick Fixx

    He obviously would be picked up by someone if he drove the boat the way he was instructed to. Michael could be a mole and not even know it.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 5:40 p.m. CST

    I still say it's Locke in the casket though...

    by Sick Fixx

    an amputee Locke to explain the small size.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Dharma polar bear collar logo

    by ProoferFromHell

    http://tinyurl.com/2jclot This logo was very different than the Dharma logo we've seen with the yin/yang symbol. Can someone explain this for me? Sorry if it's already been covered somewhere. If you can point me in the direction of an explanation, either in this talkback or elsewhere, it would be very much appreciated. Thanks!

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Um, never mind

    by ProoferFromHell

    Hydra station. Should have searched before posting.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 5:57 p.m. CST

    6 more episodes to be filmed?

    by theBigE

    Michael Ausseilo from TV guide says that we'll get maybe 6 more filmed episodes of Lost this season, now that the strike is finishing up. So a total of 14 for season 4? I think he's just guessing. The story is on the main AICN site under Coaxial, and there's a link.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Good to be here, pb

    by theBigE

    I see ChrisV posted the other day - he hasn't been around much either. Ah, wait until after the season 4 finale - maybe we'll all reconveine this summer.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 6:28 p.m. CST

    By the way,

    by TerryMalloy

    Sayid snapping that other's neck with his legs was the most badass thing ever on lost.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 6:40 p.m. CST

    What if the musician that entered the code in the looking glass

    by TerryMalloy

    was charlie? that'd be crazy.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Revealing

    by edshrinker

    In watching Confirmed Dead again, I am certain Darlton is impressing on us (the audience)that in the LOST world - there is an afterlife. You don't have to believe in a relgion or anything, they are simply reinforcing that in LOST's world, when you die, there is an essence of yourself that can take form and can communicate with the real world (or "LOST"S real world). Miles was told where the money was (by God that picture was shown 2x and it IS Yemi or Eko) by the room's former occupant who is dead. Miles also comes back after "talking" with Naomi and says that she comfirmed Jates' story. Why would he make that up? He was so pissed it seemed he was more apt to blame them, but he insisted on seeing the body. Once he did, he was certain they were telling the truth. So in LOST's world, the physically dead remain in some form and certain people are able to hear them. Some can even see them. This explains all the whispers (all the island's deceased) and the manifestation of Christian and some others (it seems the dead person's "essence" can be anyWHERE as well). Did Dharma find a scientific way to open the door to that dimention? Does this mean Walt is dead? Is Smokey a manifestaion of evil...when they die they join that entity? Just speculatin' here... But we DO know Miles can really communicate with dead is some fashion.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 6:50 p.m. CST

    in some fashion

    by edshrinker

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 6:52 p.m. CST

    That was pretty badass, T

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    Sayid will bring it to ya raw. I also had a "damn!" moment when Bearded Guy took down Michael with the bolas toward the end of S2. OLD school.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 7 p.m. CST

    Just a thought

    by edshrinker

    We know the O-6. But there may also rescuers and obviously wouldn't be mentioned with that group. Whose to say Charlotte's "find" wasn't a Flash-forward? Some of the rescue team make it back having learned some interesting things while island-bound...unless it was revealed by Darlton that there were no FF's in Ep2. I don't recall hearing that though.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 7:05 p.m. CST

    4we

    by edshrinker

    Damn you need a shorter sign-in. That explains Naomi but no the Ghostbuster moment. OH - and another tie to Yemi/Eko...Miles found Heroin in the bad with the money. The Big H baby...same thing Eko was shipping out in Virgin Marys

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 7:06 p.m. CST

    can't spell

    by edshrinker

    heroin in the BAG

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Naomi's future phone

    by Jor-El23

    I don't think that really throws the time-in-sync idea out the window. it seems to me like Dharma/Hanso/Widmore/Paik are extremely powerful and rich people. People have have limitless funding to research, develop and produce all manner of technologies, including a satellite phone that looks like an iPhone but probably does a lot more.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 7:34 p.m. CST

    edshrinker...

    by maxwell's hammer

    ...there is nothing to indicate that the kid in the picture is Eko or Yemi. What is your evidence for this? Because both are black? If that is the basis of your hypothesis, then I proclaim that Walt is actually a young Dr. Peter Benton, and when Michael returned to the real world, he became the famous rap mogul, Master P. Oh, and Eko is George Washington Carver, and Rose is Malcom X.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 7:56 p.m. CST

    Evidence...

    by edshrinker

    IThere was a photo taken of Temi and Eko together and the photo appeared in one of the Eko centric episodes showing his backstory (help me out here people - which ep?). The child in that photo on the wall APPEARS to be the exact photo from that ep. The lid at quick glance looks to posed the same shirt, same face, same background. The picture was shown twice in a way that makes appear like an easter egg. It is my opinion based on what I saw not based on some racist ideology. Spare me your self rightous bullshit.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 8:01 p.m. CST

    And ...

    by edshrinker

    Sorry about the crappy spelling. I can't type - mut proofread. That's Timi=Yemi and lid=kid. Why didn't I take that typing class in high skool

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Love it

    by Fing Fang Foom

    love it love it love it

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 8:08 p.m. CST

    4we

    by edshrinker

    Dude Not that I don't appreciate the effort, but wht are you cutting and pasting all this stuff? It's interesting, but I can go to Lostpedia if I want to read that stuff. You save me a trip and like I said I don't want to sound ungrateful, but is there a point to all this?

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Edshrinker - I believe you

    by theBigE

    They showed the picture twice - not just a fleeting glance, but they focused on it. I believe it's Yemi.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 8:17 p.m. CST

    If

    by edshrinker

    If its the same pic from that episode, it was folded or torn in half because Eko had his arm around Yemi in a protective gesture...but it looks like the EXACT same pic.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 8:20 p.m. CST

    4we

    by edshrinker

    That's a great idea - and it would tie in with all the "coincidences" that occur on this show. Everyone is connected in some way...that could be her connection and the picture is just old. Grandma still has pics up on her wall of her adult children as kids.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Still...

    by edshrinker

    That heroin hidden with the money in the bag had to be a nod to the virgin mary shipments by Eko which in turn links to Yemi's plane which is on the island where Eko wound up and had a flashback about a picture that was taken of Yemi and himself and is now on the wall of lady that Miles ghostbusts....arrrgh

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 8:27 p.m. CST

    two things:

    by Maniaq

    one - Faraday's pack with his sat-phone is still missing <br> <br> two - Frank Lapidus - just a coincidence that in 1999 a book on Fractal Geometry and Number Theory was published by Machiel van Frankenhuysen and Michel L Lapidus? <br> <br> http://tinyurl.com/2tpzfz <br> <br> you be the judge...

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 8:28 p.m. CST

    No way

    by edshrinker

    Not at all annoyed - I love this stuff. I just didn't know if there was a question asked in there that I missed and you were elaborating on something. Appreciate the effort.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 8:29 p.m. CST

    There...

    by edshrinker

    are no coincidences on Lost

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Just...

    by edshrinker

    one big, intricated story arc that we will be revealed in a HUGE motion picture event: Cloverfield II: Smokey's Revenge

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Child of Compassion

    by theBigE

    I've know people who have sponsered a child of Compassion Int., an organization that provides $ for poor kids in foreign countries. You send something like $25 a month, and you get letters from a kid that you're helping. You get pictures of the child too. We sponsered a Kenyan boy at a church I attended years ago - we got a picture of him and he sent letters from time to time. I posted earlier that it could be Yemi was one of those children.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 8:49 p.m. CST

    CS Lewis

    by edshrinker

    I had mentioned a little-known work of CS Lewis, "The Great Divorce"in one of my earlier posts and most likely mutilated at attempt to explain the book's significane to LOST. Here's some stuff off Wiki, you be the judge (Great Book, BTW) The Great Divorce is a work of fantasy by C.S. Lewis which seeks to allegorically examine the Christian concepts of Purgatory, Heaven and Salvation. It is complementary to Lewis' earlier book The Screwtape Letters which sought to portray to it's readers some of the broader aspects of Hell and Damnation. Although less renowned than Narnia and the Space Trilogy, it is considered one of his finest works of fiction by many Lewis fans. As with many of Lewis' works, it is of particular appeal to Christians, but people of other belief systems have also found it interesting. The working title was Who Goes Home? but the name was changed at the publisher's insistence. The title refers to William Blake's The Marriage of Heaven and Hell. The Great Divorce was first printed as a serial in a religious publication called The Guardian (not connected in any way to the modern British newspaper of the same name) in 1944 and 1945, and soon thereafter in book form. The Great Divorce is speculative fiction frankly presented as an allegory and the specific details of the fantasy do not tally with the beliefs of any known Church nor did Lewis regard it as other than an imaginative attempt at depicting realities which can otherwise not be expressed at all. In the introduction, Lewis frankly disavows any claim to actual knowledge of the reality embodied by such theological concepts as Heaven or Hell, and says that even were he to have such knowledge - which he denies - it would, in his opinion, be inexpressible in ordinary human language. Nonetheless he asserts that even tentative maps of Heaven and Hell, based merely on what may be inferable by human reasoning about Revelation, may prove useful to the believer; and it is with that understanding that he writes. Plot summary In The Great Divorce, the narrator suddenly, and inexplicably, finds himself in a grim and joyless City (the "grey town", representative of both Purgatory and Hell). He eventually finds a bus for those who desire an excursion to some other place (and which eventually turns out to be the foothills of Heaven). He enters the bus and converses with his fellow passengers as they travel. When the bus reaches its destination, the "people" on the bus — including the narrator — gradually realize that they are ghosts. Although the country is the most beautiful they have ever seen, every feature of the landscape (including streams of water and blades of grass) is unbearably solid compared to themselves: it causes them immense pain to walk on the grass, and even a single leaf is far too heavy for any of them to lift. Shining figures, men and women whom they have known on Earth, come to meet them, and to persuade them to repent and enter Heaven proper. They promise that as the ghosts travel onward and upward, they will become acclimated to the country and will feel no discomfort. Almost all of the ghosts choose to return instead to the grey town, giving various reasons and excuses. Much of the interest of the book lies in the recognition it awakens of the plausibility and familiarity, along with the thinness and self-deception, of the excuses that the ghosts refuse to abandon, even though to do so would bring them to Reality and "joy forevermore". The narrator is met by the writer George MacDonald, whom he hails as his mentor, just as Dante did when encountering Virgil in the Divine Comedy; and MacDonald becomes the narrator's guide in his journey, just as Virgil became Dante's. MacDonald explains that it is possible for a soul to choose to remain in Heaven despite having been in the grey town; for such souls, their time in Hell has been purgatory, and the goodness of Heaven will work backwards into their lives, turning even their worst sorrows into Joy, and changing their experience on earth to an extension of heaven. Conversely, the evil of Hell works backwards also, so that if a soul remains in, or returns to, the grey town, even its happiness on Earth will lose its meaning, and its experience on Earth would have been Hell. None of the ghosts realize that the grey town is, in fact, Hell. Indeed it is not that much different from the life they led on Earth: joyless, friendless, and uncomfortable. It just goes on forever, and gets worse and worse, with some characters whispering their fear of the "night" that is to eventually come. According to MacDonald, Heaven and Hell cannot coexist in a single soul, and while it is possible to leave Hell and enter Heaven, doing so implies turning away (repentance); or as depicted by Lewis, giving up paltry worldly pleasures and self-indulgences — which have become impossible for the dead anyway — and embracing ultimate and unceasing Joy itself. The book ends with the narrator awakening from his dream of Heaven, into the unpleasant reality of wartime Britain, in conscious imitation of the Pilgrim's Progress, the last sentence of which is "And I awoke, and behold, it was all a Dream".

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 8:56 p.m. CST

    That last line...

    by edshrinker

    SCARES THE LIVIN SHIT OUT OF ME. They couldn't do that do us. No way.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 9:11 p.m. CST

    If a teacher/professor ever asks you...

    by edshrinker

    or your kid to read something satiracal - the SCREWTAPE LETTERS remains the king mack-daddy of satire. And it is hysterical. I have read that book dozens of times and I see how screwtape guides wormwood into the inner-workings of humanity and how to enable us to work against ourselves. It's brilliant and if there are truly demons out there this good, I am afraid for my soul.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Didn't they already say it wasn't purgatory?

    by TerryMalloy

    They picked C.S. Lewis knowing it would mess with our minds.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Terry

    by edshrinker

    Mission Accomplished

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 9:20 p.m. CST

    It's NOT Yemi - or Eko!

    by Maniaq

    OK I had enough of this OMG it's the Nigerian kid bullshit so I had a quick look-see into the "23rd Psalms" episode and did some screen caps and et voila! <br> <br> See for yourself: <br> <br> http://tinyurl.com/28m57v <br> <br> Yemi's head is too wide to be the kid and Eko's head is too long - so it's neither Yemi or Eko - least not IMO... <br> <br> The photo in "Confirmed Dead" is definitely significant tho - the first shot lingers on it just long enough - with nothing else to look at - to say "LOOK AT THIS!" tho the second shot not so much... <br> <br> The heroin Miles finds... The photo does look like it could have been taken in Nigeria so I'm thinking this kid is either family or sponsored and is the dead drug dealer's Nigerian connection for the heroin he's been selling - but NOT Eko or Yemi! <br> <br> Look at the pictures next to each other and judge for yourself - it's pretty obvious...

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the pictures, Maniaq

    by theBigE

    I was hoping someone would post them. It's not Eko, that's for certain, but I'm not convinced that it's not Yemi. <p> Check out this shot of young Yemi from the Tail Section. Looks a lot like the boy on Mrs. Gardner's wall. http://tinyurl.com/223jsl

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Here's an even better screencap...

    by maxwell's hammer

    Very similar, but I'm pretty sure their not the same kid...<BR> <BR> http://tinyurl.com/2u2buw

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Sorry...

    by edshrinker

    To annoy you into action. Thanks for the screen caps. But I still Contend the kid in green shirt on the left is Eko and the pic on grannys wall is the second half of the pic and it is Yemi.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 9:53 p.m. CST

    I take it back

    by Maniaq

    Going by your second screencap that kid could totally be Yemi - it's the eyebrows that suggest it to me... <br> <br> Based on that assumption, then, I reckon Mrs Gardner's grandson was possibly murdered over a shipment of heroin that never quite made the journey out of Nigeria?

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Yemi - Eko - Neither?

    by arizonahotrock

    I'm pretty sure that they didn't want you to focus on the the picture itself...but the frames of the pictures. If you look at the the shots when Miles goes up and Miles comes down, the pictures are the same, but the frames are completely different....

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 9:56 p.m. CST

    4we

    by edshrinker

    Thanks! <br>

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Maxwell

    by edshrinker

    Great picture/screencap. I just don't know if I am seeing things but I swear the blurry picture right below him matches him PERFECTLY as Yemi

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Not Yemi

    by maxwell's hammer

    Young Yemi had these sad depressing eyebrows, which the boy in the picture doesn't have. I think you guys are chasing ghosts. But not literal ones. The self-suggested kind.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Maybe it's Michael?

    by skywalkerfamily

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Rightous

    by edshrinker

    I have read Lost posts here for 2 years but seldom participated. If I had anything to say I held 'til the end. But you guys are great to chat with and the ideas that come off this board should be made into series. I say, "congratz and Kudos to one and all!!!"

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Oooh man. Maybe the kid's Jacob!

    by skywalkerfamily

    That would be a nice twist.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 10:42 p.m. CST

    and maybe...

    by maxwell's hammer

    ...Libby was married to Desmond and maybe Bernard is his own grandpa and Hurley is really Tiger Woods, which is why he loves island golf so much!<BR> <BR> Come on people. Are you even trying any more?

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 10:43 p.m. CST

    Lindelof and Cuse have already contradicted themselves

    by Sick Fixx

    They said there would be no supernatural explanations. But with apparitions from characters' pasts appearing and influencing their lives, the guy who roomed with Uncle Junior in the asylum talking with dead people, etc., I think it's safe to say they've contradicted themselves. If they can reverse on something like that, who knows what else they've reversed on. They probably really are making it up as they go along. And I understand a creator's need to not follow a strictly laid out agenda, point by point. You gotta want that adventurous flow. But to say they know the answers and that they have nothing to do with the supernatural, but steeped in scientific fact? Nah.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 11:12 p.m. CST

    Actually...

    by maxwell's hammer

    ...they did, pretty early on.<BR> <BR> But I learned not to listen to anything they say outside of the actual scripts they produce. They've more than proven that they have a set idea for the big picture, so if they change some of the details along the way, big whoop.

  • Feb. 10, 2008, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Those ABC Lost podcasts

    by skywalkerfamily

    that Darlton did were just weird. They always answered some dumb question about Locke's shoes, and then went into some weird comedy routine.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 12:04 a.m. CST

    Hey gang...

    by Cheif Brody

    I'm a bit in mourning with the passing of Roy Scheider...but I thought I'd drop in and say hi. <P> I think Darlton said "most" things will be explained by science...and not by supernatural means. There are some things that are going to be a bit of "both"...a little "quasi-science" if you will...for instance...the crazy ghostbusting machine that Miles had...obviously not a device based on reality....but...it could have come about due to breakthroughs in science that only harnessing the island's mystical properties could have produced. <P> But...until I SEE the Smoke monster actually "taking the form of" a person...I'm not buying that baloney. I think Smokie is a security system...albeit an incredibly advanced one...but hardly able to mimic the likeness...the clothing...the voice...the mannerisms of anyone. <P> Eko was killed by Smokie after talking to his dead brother Yemi...sure...but I think Smokie showing up was just a coincidence...and not a physical manifestation of Yemi. But that's just me. <P> CS Lewis, David Hume, John Locke, Rousseau, James Ford...I think the writer's are having fun with names of famous writers...but I don't think TPTB are basing anything we see on Lost upon their works. I think it's great they are sending people scrambling to Wikipedia to find out more about these authors...and trying to "connect the dots" as to their writings giving us a clue as to where Lost is heading...or how it will end. But I write each one up as a red herring. I'll be pleasantly surprised If I'm proved wrong. <P> Speaking of books...anyone imagine a scene in season 6...when jack, Hurley & the rest of the Oceanic 6 (or what's left of them) return to the island to rescue those they left behind...and when they find Sawyer...he is at the Other's barracks...in a Book Club meeting, discussing the meaning of "The Great Divorce" when he suddenly hears the rotors of a helicopter approaching outside. Sawyer always loved a good book.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 12:23 a.m. CST

    wow I totally missed those FRAMES!

    by Maniaq

    so what that first "LOOK AT THIS" shot was about... <br> <br> thanks arizona! <br> <br> btw I'm pretty sure Darlton also contradicted themselves on the whole time travel bit - no there won't be any time travel - ok there's a LITTLE bit of time travel... that's why I take their smoke-monster-won't-be-nanotech bit with a grain of salt...

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 1:43 a.m. CST

    I wonder if we'll se an adult Annie this year?

    by skywalkerfamily

    Ben's girlfriend from the past. They never said if she died in the Dharma purge or if she died later on somewhere else.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 3:25 a.m. CST

    Cheif Brody

    by edshrinker

    Condolences on your namesake. He'd look at Smokey and say. "Smile you sonofa "bang". <br> The irony would be Sawyer reading "The Great Divorce", the rescue came, but he refused to leave. He becomes a character in that book.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 5:18 a.m. CST

    since there is no BAFTA talkback

    by krycek08

    I lol'ed that Keira Knightley skank lost

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 6:44 a.m. CST

    Sorry CheifB

    by theBigE

    I was thinking of you last night too when I saw the news. Bummer man. <p> As for the Great Divorce, Sawyer totally would stay behind rather than take the chance to go on if rescue came.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Room 23 friends

    by rbrog77

    I'm reading, but work has me swamped with little time to post. Internet's out at the house, but I/it'll be back soon.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Thx for the condolences...Ed & BigE

    by Cheif Brody

    I'm watching Jaws tonight as a tribute to Mr. Scheider. <P> Sawyer staying behind....I think he does get left behind...but it's not HIS choice. I believe Kate will finally convince James he has to go back and face the music...just like SHE does...but when the time comes....there's only room enough for one of them...and Sawyer gives up his seat. I think part of his "survivin" will have him wearing a pair of reading specs and joining in on those "Book Club" meetings. <P> "Farewell & adieu to you fair Spanish ladies...Farewell & adieu to you ladies of Spain"...

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Miles Straume crying...

    by Epictetus

    It's possible Miles doesn't know why he is crying because he was brainwashed by Ben's crazy brainwashing room.<p> 4we, I appreciated the info from Lostpedia just as I enjoyed the reference to the EWOnline article.<p> Regarding Heroes, isn't it clear now that Kristen Bell has made one of the biggest mistakes in television acting history? Why did she pick Heroes? Charlotte on Lost looks like an amazing character, especially if she helps solve some of the "4-toed statue" mysteries.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Just Got Back From Florida

    by Youguysgotanymilk

    I'm watching episode 2 tonight (after rewatching episode 1. Should be able to comment on it tomorrow. A friend of mine watched online in Florida Friday but the sound wasn't working right and he only had one set of headphones. I decided to wait till I got back so i can watch on my big tv. It was tough though, to not watch while he was watching it, I had to keep taking glances at from time to time. Good news is after i watch it tonight, only three more days till new Lost, Nice!

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Hope Florida was fun, milk

    by theBigE

    Here in the midwest we had sub zero temps and 20 below windchill. Plus snow blowing sideways, and warnings to stay off the roads. The upside ..... no work today! Enjoy episode 2 - I sure did.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Heroes

    by theBigE

    My family is hooked on Heroes, with me being the exception. They weren't happy to get the strike news. My wife will watch Lost with me now, on the other hand. Too many reruns on, so she finally succumbed.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Speaking of Strike News...

    by Cheif Brody

    Did I miss the memo that Bionic Woman was cancelled? Was watching ABC news late last night, and they were talking about "Casualties of the Strike"...like how 24 will not be on again til Jan 2009....But they also said Bionic Woman is kaput....done...finito. <P> Not that I was a huge fan, but considering all the bandwidth that the show ate up around here at AICN...I was wondering if I missed the cancellation "memo". <P> I'm sure Kristen Bell & her agent factored in the whole "living in Hawaii" thing, had she had taken the Lost role...and probably decided it was too much of a committment time/schedule-wise than the Heroes role. She is breaking into movies...and I know the cast of Lost has a helluva time getting away from the island to take on other projects. I have a feeling future movie roles...and her availability to take them played a huge factor.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 1:19 p.m. CST

    pray to the periodic table?

    by rbrog77

    So node, man of science or man of faith?<P> ;->

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 1:27 p.m. CST

    what was up

    by Napoleon Park

    with that cow?

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Frank did look a lil worse for wear...

    by Cheif Brody

    I mean...the chopper looked pristeen....and he looked like he got hit by a bus! Not sure what the hell's going on there....but somethin ain't quite right.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Land of the Lost

    by hst666

    Anyone thinking of that connection?

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 2:44 p.m. CST

    the heiffer and the ashes...

    by Jonah Echo

    maybe not related, but isn't there a line of ash around jacob's cabin? Ive always wondered what that was about. Didn't we see that cow before though, at Mikhail's place?

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Franks a drunk..

    by Jonah Echo

    Probably landed the helicopter perfectly, staggered out and rolled down a hill or something.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Mmmmmm

    by edshrinker

    Kristen Bell as a "Kate type" charachtr on LOST. Wet Bikini. How does that go wrong?

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 3:25 p.m. CST

    It goes wrong because she's

    by rbrog77

    Kristin Bell. Trust me. I love looking at this girl. But as an actor, I think she'd a subtraction to Lost, not an addition.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Strike - return news

    by theBigE

    From Kristin at E! Online: <p> Executive Producer Damon Lindelof Says: "Indeed, it would appear that we are in the endgame of the strike. Personally, I couldn't be more psyched to be part of this union. Like any negotiation, some parts suck and some parts surpassed my wildest expectations for what we could accomplish, but most of all I'm left with a feeling of pride. <p> "As for Lost (pending the actual lifting of the strike, which we vote for on Tuesday), a game plan should begin to manifest by the end of the week. All I can say is that Carlton and I and the rest of the writers have every intention of making sure you guys get more episodes this season beyond the eight already completed. How many and how they will be aired is a conversation we'll be having with our bosses, but as soon as we've got a plan, we'll tell the fans first." <p> What We're Hearing: Lost's actors are on standby, and the show is expected to produce more episodes this season. Fingers crossed! The bigger question is who'll keep the golden Thursday at 9 p.m. time slot once those Seattle Grace docs also return...How 'bout we put Sawyer and McDreamy in a cage and let 'em duke it out? ('Cause we know who'd win...)

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Oh YeaH

    by BrightEyes

    LOST Is Damon and Carlton's show, not J.J's. TEAM JACK!

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 4:17 p.m. CST

    theBigE

    by Maximus Prime

    I could kiss you Big E....thats great news mate..<p> sorry I aint been about, the mix of huge charity gig coming up and work and my gym regieme(fatish man getting thin folks)..has eaten up my time..also got my window in car put in and my uncle was in a very bad accident........aint been a good few weeks...but hopefully get back to ya's all soon..<p>Big E that news has raised a much needed smile

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Kirsten Bell

    by Maximus Prime

    Heroes can have her...<p>we spoke about it intensivly in room 23 and although Bell is good for some masturbation scenes, she brings nothing else to the table...and in Lost we need multi-dimensional characters not some more eye candy..im happy enough with Kate and Claire

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 4:30 p.m. CST

    also

    by Maximus Prime

    much respect to Roy Scheider, I watched Jaws as a wee lad and remember it scaring the shit out of me..the head scene was the scnen I shat my pants at..<p> when we were doing a project on sharks before christmas there and after they completed the projects I let them watch Jaws, they loved it....<p> we'll Scheider before the end of Lost to deal with James Ezra Sharkington

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 4:32 p.m. CST

    well namaste

    by Maximus Prime

    friends..hope my msg find you'se all well and roll on friday in my case......

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Respect

    by edshrinker

    LOST deserves a little respect for the success it has brought ABC - not to be shuffled ONCE AGAIN to newtime/newday. I know the ratings reality, but schlok like Grey's Sloppy Twat "cough" I mean, Anatomy should not be held above LOST. But the stiffs at ABC do and when it comes time to shuffle - LOST will get the shaft (then wonder why ratings fluctuate) >Why not LOST at 9 and Grey's Sloppy Twat at 10pm? Bury Eli Stone somewhere. I like the timeslot - leave it be.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 5:25 p.m. CST

    More on the strike...this time LOST specific

    by rbrog77

    From MSNBC.com<P> Getting ‘Lost’ <P> Damon Lindelof is eager for some answers. An executive producer of ABC’s mystery serial “Lost,” he should learn this week what his show’s future holds as it closes out its fourth season. <P> “Lost” has been back on the air just two weeks. But the strike meant a planned 16-episode shooting schedule was halted after just eight episodes were shot. Fans braced themselves for no more this season. <P> “But we very much want to come back and do as many episodes as possible,” said Lindelof, who then listed a few issues that first need to be settled. <P> “How many episodes can best serve our story? And what are the production realities?” He noted that the shooting facility in Hawaii, 2,500 miles from his Los Angeles office, had been shuttered since Thanksgiving. The crew has dispersed, the huge cast has scattered. <P> The first new post-strike episode of “Lost” could possibly be ready for broadcast the week after episode eight appears, he said. There likely would be three or four more after that. <P> Could there be even more? <P> “I’d be surprised if the network wanted to air episodes deep into the summer,” he said. But if all the pieces fell into place, “Lost” fans would be blessed: “I don’t see why we couldn’t deliver all eight remaining episodes.” <P> That kind of zeal should warm viewers’ hearts. Lindelof and the rest of TV’s creative community seem delighted to be back.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 5:28 p.m. CST

    TV Guide

    by edshrinker

    Predicts 6 new eps for LOST. That's more than the 4-5 I originally read if the deal was done by the end of Feb. Getting it done 1/2 through Feb making a big impact (DUH). SOOOO freakin happy. Sounds like maybe we'll have an off season 2 hour special movie event to make up the last 2????

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Did any of you Watch Veronica Mars?

    by hst666

    Krsten Bell is a fine actress as well as a hottie.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 6:26 p.m. CST

    That's the $64000 question, pa

    by rbrog77

    The answer is IMO it first depends on ABC. They will dictate when S4 ends. D&C will then work it out. If ABC's date is firm and they can only get 14 episodes in, I expect some sort of negotiation as to maybe doing extended episodes. Could be, though, they just change up the scripts to to fit it in to 14. Maybe it'll be a 2 hour "movie" in June to finish it up.<P> Point is we don't know, ABC doesn't yet know, D&C don't know, the cast and crew, their families and pets don't know. <P> And that doesn't take into account everyone's schedules...including mine.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 7:25 p.m. CST

    MP - save your kisses for rb!

    by theBigE

    That's even better news, rb! MP can save his kisses for you. I'm a bit under the weather myself - nothing as nasty as Node has, but I'd sure hate to spread it - especially overseas! <p> Hope you sickos are feeling better soon. Sorry about the run of bad luck MP - with Lost coming back, maybe it'll change soon.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Guys...Guys...Guys...

    by Cheif Brody

    I can't stress enough that ABC will NOT let LOST finish up in June! Not a chance, IMO! <P> Before the strike...The plan was that we would get 16 episodes...running through the all important February Sweep...which we're in now...and with the season finale falling somewhere in the all important May sweep. That's where ABC makes it's bread & butter...in the SWEEPS. <P> Darlton will have a lot of begging and pleading to do to the network to let the season finale fall outside of the May sweep. <P> With that said...these first 8 episodes will finish up on the 20th of March. If we get, say 6 more episodes done...they would start in mid/late April (ramping up to the May Sweep)...and our season 4 finale would fall on May 22nd. <P> ABC will not let this thing rap up where it doesn't matter...I gaurantee that. I don't see them getting any NEW episodes shot and completed until late March...IF they get back to work this Friday...or early next week. <P> So...it becomes a race...can they salvage the May sweep window?....or do we have to wait until the November sweep to rap up Season 4? <P> It sucks...but ABC is a business...and sweeps periods are where they make their $$$....Unfortunately....new LOST episodes are like crack rock to ABC...and they aren't just gonna blow it where they aren't being metered. It's just that simple.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Actually...I take that back...

    by Cheif Brody

    The May 2008 sweeps period runs from April 24th thru May 21st... <P> So, unless ABC moves Lost BACK to Wednesdays....the Season 4 finale will have to fall on Thursday, May 15th...which gives Darlton an even SHORTER window to shoot for. <P> I will be shocked if ABC allows them to rap it up on the 22nd or 29th of May.....but it may be the only way to do it. I wish Darlton the best of luck figuring this all out.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 7:57 p.m. CST

    I expect the same, Cheif

    by theBigE

    I fully agree - they'll want the season finale during Spring sweeps. Is there any way to hope for - multiple episodes in a week??? <p> I don't know how long it takes for a show to get prepped and filmed, but in the past they've said they've been filming episodes up to within a week before airtime. If they start next week, we could have episodes 9+ in early April. Maybe a 2 week break after episode 4.08. I'm going to hope for 6 additional episodes, giving us 14 for this season. <p> Node, just exactly how sick are you???

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Sorry...more thoughts....

    by Cheif Brody

    So...if they resume with episode 4.9 on Thur April 17th...we could get 6 new episodes in...if they rap up with a 2 hour season finale on May 15th. Then ABC gets a 14 episode season...and perhaps Darlton agrees to give them an 18 episode season in 2009 to make up for it. <P> This is all providing that the Screen Actor's Guild doesn't go on stike in June...over the same issues the Writer's Guild was striking over!! <P> Will this EVER end?!!

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 8:06 p.m. CST

    Re:Cheif

    by StuckinthePresentPaused

    even if the actors went on strike im pretty sure that would be the end of June so chances are filming for most tv shows including lost would be finshed for the season anyway

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Just saw Penny Widmore on Terminator!!

    by Cheif Brody

    Thought I dreamed that last time. Poor Desmond....Penny has moved on!!

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Stuck...that's true...

    by Cheif Brody

    The SAG contract expires in June...so a strike would not even start until July, earliest...But if it lingers 3 months like the Writer's Guild strike did...we are going to be facing similar problems for new episodes in 2009. <P> I'm praying the studios already have a plan in place for the actors...based upon what they agreed to award the writers. We can only hope!

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Chief

    by StuckinthePresentPaused

    yeah you have a point but at least with law we have the hope that if there is a writers strike at least with lost since the season doesnt start til february and with a short 16-18 episdoe season could still finish but chances are the SAG will make a similar deal to the WGA and avoid a strike

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Wow...Rambo...

    by Cheif Brody

    We're all waiting here...with baited breath. You HAVE figured it all out, haven't you!!

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 8:45 p.m. CST

    hey John J

    by theBigE

    If you want others to read your theories ... try < p > (no spaces) after each thought. Gives you a paragraph break. Don't get me started on the capital letters.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 9:04 p.m. CST

    I agree, BigE....

    by Cheif Brody

    Trying to read that theory...it was like a full body dry heave set to bad music.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Ok...Rambo is off his meds...

    by Cheif Brody

    ...and back to all caps, I see. And with that crazy confirmation, I think I'm out for the night, gang. 3 days and counting!

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Richard Alpert?

    by StuckinthePresentPaused

    With the inevitable cancaelation of CANE does any one know/think theres a chance that Nestor Carbonell can be signed and maybe added into the episodes the episodes post strike

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 10 p.m. CST

    Batmanuel will be back, Stuck...

    by Cheif Brody

    And I just saw Penny Widmore on Terminator: TSCC tonight...and you KNOW Sonya Walger will be back on Lost before it all settles. <P> No idea where Darth went, pa...I think he's making some other node's life a living hell.

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Re:Batmanuel

    by StuckinthePresentPaused

    You're right im sure he wil be back eventually but maybe this is the chance to make him a series regular and not just a guest star

  • Feb. 11, 2008, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Thought you guys might be interested

    by TerryMalloy

    There is a story that the Tolkien estate is suing New Line, which could halt the production of "The Hobbit". Check it out: http://tinyurl.com/25fnex

  • Feb. 12, 2008, 1:24 a.m. CST

    I think you guys are forgetting something

    by Maniaq

    about those new episodes - erm... I don't believe they've been WRITTEN YET! <br> <br> Also, I heard the offer being made to Writers to end the strike is laughable so I wouldn't hold too much hope for an end to the strike just yet... <br> <br> Personally I hope they hold out until they get a proper deal - I mean PROPER! The absolute worst thing that can happen now - and I think there might be one or two here with me on this - is that production is rushed forward to meet some crazy deadline and we are presented with SECOND RATE crappy writing as a consequence! <br> <br> I would much prefer this shit get sorted and it get sorted RIGHT so there isn't any distinct lack of QUALITY to the rest of this season. <br> <br> Other shows have suffered (Ron Moore I'm looking at you!) from seasons that become downright ridiculously awful halfway through or right at the end, or take a while to get to the quality in the beginning of a season... <br> <br> One of the things that has always set this show apart from all the rest (IMO) has been that the quality of the writing has been consistent from the beginning to the end of a season... <p> Now I know some will beg to differ with me on that point but for me, anyway, this show has not had ONE SINGLE filler episode EVER - who can say the same for any other show they could care to mention? <br> <br> <br> PEACE

  • Feb. 12, 2008, 5:14 a.m. CST

    13 episodes for Season 4

    by theBigE

    according to the story that Herc has up. Better than 8, not what we were hoping for, and it sounds like we will not get the missing 3 episodes made up at all.

  • Feb. 12, 2008, 5:18 a.m. CST

    New episodes - Maniaq

    by theBigE

    From what other posters have said, if we can believe them, there are 2 episodes that are almost finished, that just weren't finalized yet, and 2 more that were partially written. So it's not like they are starting from scratch. So all that remains is a season ending show to write. Also it sounds like they are going to condense the remaining stories for this year.

  • Feb. 12, 2008, 7:17 a.m. CST

    I suspect

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    A lot of writing has actually been done already, just not "turned in"

  • Feb. 12, 2008, 8:30 a.m. CST

    16, 13, more "facts"

    by rbrog77

    So Cuse says 13 at most in the Hollywood Reporter, but MSNBC says Lindelof doesn't see any reason all 16 can't be done. CheifB says ABC won't let LOST go into June (a good point...normally) and Maniaq reminds us of the writing that has to be done.<P> So what do we know?<P> Nothing...really.<P> According to at least 2 reports D&C disagree on what can be done. ABC's not weighed in yet, nor should they as the vote to end the strike (or not) occurs today. I tend to agree with Cheif about the June thing, but seems to me there are extenuating circumstances. Add to that that besides for years now having summer shows premier and capture audiences, the models are changing.<P> But the Maniaq point I hope is wrong...hope with a little "knowledge". <P> We had a "mole" on one of the talkbacks recently tell us besides the 8 completed episodes, 4 more were at varied states of readiness...2 of which were almost finished. That mole did, however, fess up later that he knew this through a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend...<P> So my point is we are still guessing. Nice game to play, but...<P> The 8 that run in succession will end on Mar 20...I think. 8 weeks after that is May 15...the day May sweeps ends.<P> If I was a studio exec I'd push for the agreed upon 8. Wouldn't you?

  • Feb. 12, 2008, 10:02 a.m. CST

    I hope we

    by Maximus Prime

    get some confirmation of how many were getting before the end of the week

  • Feb. 12, 2008, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Well...Carlton seems to think...

    by Cheif Brody

    They can have a finished episode 9 ready for March 27th...so there would be no gap in new episodes...which would indicate those scripts were a little bit MORE than in the "finalizing stage"... <P> Personally...I think Carlton is on the crack pipe...and there will be at least a two week delay before we see episode 9...Partially just getting the crew & cast all back in the same locale...but also, the scripts the had in the "almost written" stage are now going to have to be altered greatly to include some of the story arcs they planned on covering in 16 eps....condensed down to 13....I'm hoping we get 14...but we''ll see. <P> Looking forward to hearing how their meeting goes with ABC.

  • Feb. 12, 2008, 11:11 a.m. CST

    RB..."If I was a studio exec I'd push for the agreed upon 8.

    by Cheif Brody

    ...Wouldn't you?" <P> Well...I think, considering the circumstances, ABC would sacrifice a couple of episodes as long as the Season Finale lands on May 15th. They will accept the strike as an "extenuating circumstance", I'm sure.

  • Feb. 12, 2008, 2:44 p.m. CST

    How can they possibly trim more fat?

    by Pops Freshemeyer

    I mean, c'mon, they already got rid of Charlie.

  • Feb. 12, 2008, 7:01 p.m. CST

    I personally like the idea of cutting 3 episodes

    by TerryMalloy

    If the writers feel like they can do it, then it's just like an editor chopping out an unnecessary scene in a movie. It will be more streamlined. This is a good thing.

  • Feb. 13, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST

    I know im late to the party...

    by Youguysgotanymilk

    but i just watched ep 2 yesterday and I have a few questions. <p> I haven't read all the posts yet so forgive me if it has already been discussed.

  • Feb. 13, 2008, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Questions

    by Youguysgotanymilk

    1) Was the picture they showed of the pilot the same as the actor who played him in the show? Greg something (matt from Heroes) I didn't remember him having a mustache. <p> WTF i up with the Dharma polar bear in Tunisia? Was that the Hydra stations logo? <p> Who's house was the ghost guy in during his flashback? Was it someone we were supposed to know? Walt? <p> Why are the rescuers after Ben?

  • Feb. 13, 2008, 11:39 a.m. CST

    top 5 Locke

    by Maximus Prime

    #5....The rains about to start...(rain begins)<p> #4.....Locke thinks smokie is wonderful, one of the most beautiful thing he has ever seen..<p> #3...Goodbye submarine<p> #2...Goodbye Niome or so we thought<p> #1...When Locke decides he has to talk to the island, like what teh fuck...<p> Locke is my favourite character cause his off Island life is soo shit that I love what he has become...there ar e a million other Locke moments like destroying teh computer in teh hatch in season 2 finale and admitting 'I wa wrong' but these ones just jumped into my head....he's def my favourite character..

  • Feb. 13, 2008, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Milk - answers

    by rbrog77

    1) Was the picture they showed of the pilot the same as the actor who played him in the show? Greg something (matt from Heroes) I didn't remember him having a mustache. <P> Answer - same guy. He didn't have a mustache, and it's probably one of the bad hair examples of LOST.<P> WTF i up with the Dharma polar bear in Tunisia? Was that the Hydra stations logo? <P> Answer - It was the hydra logo, but no one KNOWS why or how it got there. Spec is it was either a Dharma time/teleport/wormhole thing or maybe a separate Dharma location.<P> Who's house was the ghost guy in during his flashback? Was it someone we were supposed to know? Walt? <P> Answer - I don't think a connection has been made. People speculated the kid's pic on the wall was that of Eko, but I'm pretty sure that theory was cleary debunked.<P> Why are the rescuers after Ben? <P> Answer - good question.<P> I help where I can.<P> ;->

  • Feb. 13, 2008, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Locke's "questionable sanity" top 5

    by rbrog77

    5 - Leaving after carrying Boone back to the caves.<P> 4 - Spying on his father's house from his car<P> 3 - Any of the times he says something like the island demanded a sacrifice.<P> 2 - When he began to trust Ben in the hatch<P> 1 - The orange peel smile

  • Feb. 13, 2008, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Lockes "particuarly cool" top 5

    by rbrog77

    5 - Knowing it's going to rain or stop raining<P> 4 - Kicking Patchy's ass when his trip to Jacob was in jeopardy<P> 3 - The look on his face when he was lifted out of the bed and placed into the wheelchair for the 1st time<P> 2 - Banging on the hatch when the light cmae on<P> 1 - Being "matter-of-fact" calm when danielle came in for the dynamite and Sayer was "de-cooperizing".

  • Feb. 13, 2008, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Sorry pa

    by rbrog77

    Seemed like 2 different questions to me, so 2 separate top 5s.

  • Feb. 13, 2008, 1:06 p.m. CST

    haha

    by Maximus Prime

    brilliant RB....love the cool ones, I forgot all about the hatch and the light..dam show soo much happens..haha

  • Feb. 13, 2008, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Code word for season cliffhanger:

    by BigTexas42

    Moon Pie. <P><P>just a suggestion. I love moon pie.

  • Feb. 13, 2008, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Tunisian Polar Bear

    by Youguysgotanymilk

    The polar bear has to either be linked to the bunny from the orchid station film, meaning it traveled back in time or something. Or possibly Dharma could be a lot older and may have iniated of the island at first? Maybe not.

  • Feb. 13, 2008, 7:47 p.m. CST

    Oww my brain!

    by theBigE

    Don't overanalyze everything! We have no idea where the polar bear came from! <p> But I'll go with the time travel theory. If I'm forced to choose.

  • Feb. 13, 2008, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Crazy Locke moments

    by theBigE

    5) Orange Peel smile <p> 4) Blowing up the sub <p> 3) Blowing up Patchy's fort - followed by pushing Patchy into the fence <p> 2) Tying up Boone <p> 1) Knifing Naomi. Was there nothing else he could have done? He had to kill her? The island told him to?

  • Feb. 13, 2008, 9:41 p.m. CST

    BigE...I commented on your...

    by Cheif Brody

    "Doesn't ABC think we will watch Lost in June?" question over in the "Other" node...the Cuse says...one. Pop over and take a look...Nite evreybody!!