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SUPER fat TUESDAY - GET OUT AND VOTE!!!
Hey folks, Harry here - This isn't a movie post - I'm just reminding all you good folks, like you're not aware - to get out and vote if you're in one of the SUPER TUESDAY voting areas. I'm in Texas - we don't get to vote for quite some time, but if the commentators are right - it looks like the Democratic Nominee won't be decided up till possibly then.
Personally - I'm an OBAMA fan. And I have been since his speech here in Austin, back last February at Auditorium Shores. However, whoever you support - get out there - not only that, but call your friends and family to get out there to vote - the one thing I hate as an American is a lack of a turn out. So far this primary season has had some amazing numbers in the early contests!
Feel free to discuss the process as the day and night goes on. So Republicans, Democrats, Independents and first time voters - get to voting, I wish I was voting today! Instead, I'll just eat King Cake - and enjoy Austin's version of Fat Tuesday!
Why do I like Obama?
It's pretty simple. My entire voting life - since 1989 - I haven't had a candidate that I looked at and actually believed in. That managed to make me dream like the characters in a Frank Capra film. What I loved about Capra's films - specifically MEET JOHN DOE - was the Populist message... to go next door to your neighbor, no matter his politics and invite him over for BBQ - to chat, to break bread - then to do something that improves both your lives. I love and dream of a candidate to inspire my apathetic political friends to care. A candidate that not only inspires those I love - but that cause people in other countries to possibly believe in the dream of America again.
A leader that inspires you to do more than you have and believe that Government could care. Bill called Obama a fairy tale, but you know what... if this country isn't founded on Fairy Tales - I don't know what it is founded on. A dream that people from all over the world came here to believe they can forge a better way, than how it was from wherever they came from. It's a fairy tale to get married, to buy a house, to raise a family. And Obama is a fairy tale that I believe will work out. I like his talk, his attitude and his charisma. After years of partisan politics getting next to nothing done on both sides - I'd like to believe that we've found a candidate that is dedicated to a better way.
Why do you like the candidate you're supporting and voting for?
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Is Obama the sexiest tomboy beanpole around?
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So I'm down too
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You have no excuse for not voting. And a real moral obligation to do it.
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"Let's make our voices heard. We've been given the right to choose between a doooouche and a tuuuuuurd!'
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I'm sorry to say conservatives have given up on the presidency this election. I don't know how things turned out so badly. On the bright side, a few years of anti-business, borderline socialist incompetence from the democrats should really tank the stock market for several years. Those of use under 40 should prepare for great buy and hold opportunities.
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Feb 05, 2008 6:25:14 AM CST
WELCOME TO LET'S PATRONISE THE READERSHIP...!!!
by greigy just wanted to say
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Feb 05, 2008 6:25:16 AM CST
WELCOME TO LET'S PATRONISE THE READERSHIP...!!!
by greigy just wanted to say
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Hilarious segment on one of the news channels last night. One of those political focus groups had just been waxing lyrical about Barack Obama for several minutes, saying how much they loved him, when one of the studio anchors asked them collectively to name something they respect him for accomplishing. Cue the sound of the focus groups' jaws all dropping through the floor as it dawned on them that they couldn't think of a single answer, and that they knew next to nothing about the guy they had just been fellating and wanted to elect president, apart from the vague notion that they kind of like the idea of him personally. This is why Clinton absolutely demolishes him during substantive debates, yet nobody appears to notice. This election is AT LEAST four years too early for him. He should be vice president.
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Er, I meant Obama..sowwies.
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My hope is that after voters in all of today's 24 states shun him, people will put down their crack pipes and focus on real candidates.
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no, really i don't. i was just saying that cause this is a movie site and that's some funny shit right there.
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Only because that will drive some of the wingnuts Talkbackers to suicide, and that's the most important thing on my agenda.
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Mark my words this will happen. I'm using The Secret to make them run independently.
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I needed to laugh this morning...this had me on the floor BRINGINGSEXYBACK.
I just recently saw THE WASHINGTONIANS. If you haven't seen it, it portrays the founding fathers as cannibals. In it there's a painting that Washington commissioned once he became president. It's him eating flesh surrounded by bare breasted, blood covered women.
So my friends and I have been playing a game. What would the painting of each of our candidates be like. Personally I think Hillary's painting would portray her eating some muff with her hubby getting a BJ in the background...
OBAMA ALL THE WAY!
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and if it weren't for Bush utterly ruining this country for the last 8 years and the Republican party transforming itself into a hotbed of NeoCon lapdogs, Fox fuckups, robber barons and self-hating hypocritical homosexuals, I might consider him. But the Reps need to clean house in a big way before they get a shot at the WH.
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Not now. Not ever. PERIOD.
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or it could degenerate into a spamfest of unfunny headlines.That portrait idea is brutal- I personally see Blair being painted deep-throating Uncle Sam, and his successor Brown as Fagin with his hands in everyone's pockets- whilst being simultaneously cornoled by Sarkozy.
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I think an ace portrait of the current incumbent would literally be as a monkey struggling to unpeel a banana. Yuo know this to be true, although I suppose these are more cartoons,
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Will she cry again?
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Talkback gonna 'SPLODE!
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That must be a commentary on how Bush/Cheney and the Republicans have utterly cannibalized our country. Have you seen Bush's "plan" to solve the economic crisis? He infused it with the most insanely optimistic forecasts. The man is an Enron accountant.
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Charming sir. Charming.
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Yes, because the conservatives have done a fantastic job with our economy and our country! Way to go! I miss Georgy Boy already
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Namely, there aren't any running. Sick - Obama ain't Muslim. Don't let his Muslim father's naming and the right-wing smearmails fool you. He's a practicing Christian. Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama) can tell you that and a whole lot more about him that is, you know, the truth.
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There was a segment on Bill Maher where a CNN correspondent was interviewing women in a salon that caters to a black clientele. All of them supported Obama, and they gave reasons that had more to do with personality and assumptions about his character than anything to do with his proposals and policies. They're like Oprah, whom I despise deeply. If Obama is a worthy candidate, then let him earn his support on the issues, not the color of his skin. To vote *because* he's black is as bad as voting against him for the same reason.
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I had to say it.
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Feb 05, 2008 7:25:07 AM CST
Ahhh...political insight from the same people who brought you...
by zacdilone
..."LIKE A PUSSY THAT EATS YOU OUT!" Nothing sweeter.
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Swear I saw her in the background of the future war in T2. She is a cyborg, no denying that! Still, way better than our dunce of a prez Bush.
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That's the only explanation for why he/she/it would think things are fine under Bush. If Bush was a bookkeeper his boss would take him into the alley for fucking up so bad. But no, people think he's just swell. Fucking tools.
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Feb 05, 2008 7:26:28 AM CST
If Obama is given the nomination we get 4 more years of a Red pr
by knowthyself
Let's put a democrat on the ticket who can actually win this thing eh?
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Seriously, what is she going to do when trade talks get nasty or the President of China gives her shit? Turn on the water-works? PUH-LEAZE.
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touting Laura Ingraham and Sean Hannity's endorsements. McCain couldn't have asked for better.
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Feb 05, 2008 7:42:43 AM CST
socialist health care plans? Kind of like..SOCIAL SECURITY.
by knowthyself
And Medicare and Medicaid! GASP! America is turning into Communist China!!! Run for your lives!!!
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As if we weren't doomed either way.
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Sorry had to throw in a Futurama joke.
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That's because the policy differences between Hillary and Obama are not that different. The bills that Obama co-sponsored in the Senate are the subject matters I care most about... Environment, Care for invalided troops, election fraud. Then - as for Hillary - I remember that she and Bill ran on the promise of UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE throughout their election to get Bill president - and then when she was put in charge - she allowed the Republicans to completely out-flank her and totally screwed the pooch on that subject matter. --- BUT the defining line to me is to have a leader who can inspire CONFIDENCE in the government, the electoral process and can project intelligence and growth as a country to the greater world we live in. It'd be nice to have a president that wants to reach across the party lines to build a coalition here at home, as well as abroad.
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My crotch ain't exactly dripping with excitement on the Left side of the aisle but I'm being pragmatic about my choices. I'd back McCain if your party weren't so utterly in shit. I don't know if you're a NeoCon but if you're a true Conservative you'd want your party just cleaned out. I wish the Dems had better candidates but we work with what we've got. Anyway the Illuminati have chosen Hillary so that's that.
About Hillary's vote - let's clear that up for the millionth time. Post 9/11, the Dems rallied around the President in a patriotic fashion. Their vote was to give Bush leverage to pressure Hussein into capitulation, not an outright endorsement for an invasion. Because face it, Bush is a madman no one saw coming (but they should have, if they had done their homework on the NeoCons who had already infilitrated the Administration).
As for wages being slashed to support universal health care ... those McCarthyite scare tactics are so worn out. Bush has slashed taxes for the wealthy while drawing up a new economic plan that will drive our nation further into record debt, caused untold miliary and civilian casualties, tried to hand over Social Security to the same banks that caused a financial crisis (with more news of losses in the consumer and corporate credit sectors to come), ETCETERA ... and that's the best you've got on Clinton? Get real. -
Yeah right, what kind of country do you think this is? Next thing you know, you'll be demanding public schools, and garbage pick-up, social security, food stamps, etc. Damn communists. Suck it up, we need all those trillion$ of tax dollars for the war and the wealthy.
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Mmmmm... garnish...
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Because the election is in November. I'm an independent. I always have been. Sometimes I vote for a Democrat, sometimes a Republican. I voted for Ross Perot when he was running (dating myself here). Bottom line is I vote for the candidate who is the best person for the job. I don't care about their party, race, sex, I vote for who I think will do the best job.
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I voted for Obama. I like his views on immigration (I'm from the UK originally, so it matters to me). He has a solid tech stance (He wants net neutrality ), and many more topics (including Iraq). He IS different from Clinton in a lot of his views, and I think he will be the man to get things done, as he is not against talking to the other side (he's done it before) and compromising on issues to get shit done.
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Time for a change in government.
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How do you know Social Security won't be there? What in the hell are you talking about? Don't tell me. You bought Bush's line that was used to scare the public into handing Soc Sec over to the private sector. That disaster averted would have been the greatest financial heist in history.
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Face it and if you don't want to contribute to the greater good then get the hell out of this country. We pay taxes to fund the government to keep our way of life going. Don't like it go somewhere else. The truth is theirs a little bit of socialism in our democractic capitalistic society, its necessary but kept in check. Thank goodness I don't work at Burger King and my decent salary at my brokerage firm keeps me living just fine.
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ticket or Obama/Clinton ticket it would be unstoppable. I don't think it would be good for this country. Obama maybe, Clinton, absolutely not. If Obama wins the Democratic primary I don't think Hillary would want the VP spot if offered. She does not want to be second to anybody, and in four or eight years I don't see her running again for the top spot.
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Feb 05, 2008 8:00:58 AM CST
Oh and my dad is retired. I'm glad my check goes to pay for his
by knowthyself
Do you realize how much money we send to other countries for aid and yet we have so many Americans living under the poverty level? Go to the Appalachia regions of the south and you'll swear that you've flown to some small third world country.
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because he directed Mighty Joe Young and everyone is brainwashed into thinking he didn't except me and Anchorite. It's another conspiracy in a long line of conspiracies.
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Socialism don't get what you just said. There is a little bit in our society. Unemployment benefits, social security, health programs for the poor. As long as it is kept in check, and the money is not wasted, but used for good, a little socialism is a good thing. Are there any Canadians out there who would like to chime in on the free healthcare by the government? I've heard good things and bad things about it.
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Is the man though....you all know it to be true.
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Feb 05, 2008 8:05:39 AM CST
I can't imagine the fools who fought against free education.
by knowthyself
Probably the same fools who fought against national healthcare. "Why should I pay for your child to go to school for free?" I don't know because its a right every person should have? Just like the right to healthcare without paying $20,000 for that MRI you needed?
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bad thing Stan. This is the 21st century. We don't have slaves out there picking cotton. Like MLK said people should be judged by their character, not color. Pick the best person for the job; black, white or green. Sex is irrelevent; man, woman, hermaphrodite - pick the best person for the job.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8gLYZV6Z4g&NR=1#
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I guess the Chuckinator ain't that great an endorsement after all.
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but, really, the good outweigh the bad. I find it astounding that there isn't a "State Health Service" in America. It's really, really strange,
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Why choose the lesser of two evils.
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Ditch Affirmative Action. Too many slackers making it through the system. If you can do the job, you're hired. If you're gonna sleepwalk through it, find work with someone dumb enough to hire you. Nuff said.
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1. It means that the GOP is no longer the conservative party, at least in terms of such obsolete conservative issues like national sovereignty, fiscal minimalism, and individual rights. Of all the Republican candidates only Ron Paul has consistently stood for those things; but except for a handful of conservatives most GOP voters are desperately trying to distance themselves from his supposed radicalism. Ronald Reagan might have disapproved of bits of Paul's agenda, but he would have firmly supported him over the other bottom-feeders he's going up against. The GOP has since 9/11 transformed into a party of xenophobes who are willing to hand over the rest of their agenda to leftists in order to concentrate on the dubious dual policy of sealing up the US border like a new Maginot Line and engaging in excitingly expensive foreign adventures. This is sickening to anyone who was once a conservative Republican, like myself. (I'm either a libertarian or an anarcho-capitalist, depending on how much conservatives irritate me with their stupid, self-righteous hypocrisy.)
*** 2. It means that Democrats will yet again staunchly stick by the mush-brained belief that "compromise" isn't just a euphemism for "selling out" (which it is). Luckily for Democrats, the Democrat notion of compromise means "demonizing Republicans until they cave in". When Obama bin Liberal says he wants to reach across party lines and unite America, he means he wants to shame whites, males, employers, gun owners, the wealthy, and Christians into abandoning their principles. This is leftist power politics, as driven by Harry Knowles's beloved populism.
*** 3. It means that as always in a representative democracy, the majority gets to shove around the minority, thanks to the democratic belief that whatever the majority of voters want is sacred. No matter how stupid, prudish, intolerant, or blatantly acquisitive those wants are. We're told that it's so righteous and noble to mug one group and "redistribute" the loot to another group. But who is saying this? The politicians, on the one hand, who get to indulge in the most exultant drug known to humankind: the power to control other human beings. And on the other hand, the voters, who get free stuff they didn't pay for. Is it any wonder why those in power are going to expound on the eternal virtues of a system of which they are the direct beneficiaries? A simple study of human nature suggests that the ability of humans to rationalize their actions is highly efficient. However. We are told, fairly enough, that anyone who has a personal interest in a policy is biased -- e.g., Halliburton's lobbyists in Washington. But what are voters but people with an obvious biased personal interest? A Christian voter has an interest in coercing the love of Jesus onto others. A welfare-receiving voter has an interest in getting free money. A welfare-advocating voter has an interest in feeling self-righteous about being the savior of the people. All these biased individuals have several things in common. For one, they have no scruples about shoving their moral values onto others. What is compassion? A conservative and a liberal will staunchly disagree, but both will eagerly insist that they have the power to coerce other people into obeying their moral beliefs. (They will each accuse the other of being bad people, of course. This is the only valid way of justifying the coercion.) Modern politics can be divided into two categories of policy: moral prudery, and acquisitiveness. Say you're a member of a certain religion, or at least a philosophy; is it tolerance to demand that everyone else obey what you feel is the one and only true path to compassion and justice? A sincerely tolerant person will say no, and will denounce the modern political process. A bigot won't care about the question, and will vote in November. Acquisitiveness, I mentioned above; it relates to the ability of people to justify anything that benefits themselves personally. What is carefully left out of all the wonderful-sounding rhetoric extolling welfare is the consent of those paying for it all. Are people who disagree with welfare "greedy"? Again, a shameless bigot would say "Yes, of course; such people disagree with me, and are therefore evil people." In a democracy like ours, it is impossible to disagree without being a bad person. If you oppose economic regulation and taxation, then you're a "greedy" person who hates poor people. If you oppose state-funded abortions for 14-year old girls, then you are a misogynist. If you oppose public education, then you hate children. If you oppose immigration controls, then you hate Anglo-Saxon culture. If you oppose affirmative action, then you hate blacks, Hispanics, and women. If you oppose the Patriot Act, then you're a traitor. If you oppose the War on Terror, then you're an Al Qaeda sympathizer. The list goes on, my friends, ad infinitum. (And people wonder why politics routinely gets so nasty.) Self-interest and moral intolerance come together as squalid zealotry in the democratic process. A group as large as the American population will never agree on anything. Barack Obama will never convince all Americans to agree with him. The most he can do is get elected to force the dissenters to pretend to agree with him. And is that really a united America, in which one group gloatingly gets to order around another group, which has to obey or get locked up like the uncivilized animals that they are? The election in 2008 means that the American people will get what they want, but will still lose. -
The only candidate who's talked for a year and a half and said absolutely nothing. I dislike Hillary as well, but at least she has something more to add to the debate than lame clicje's about "hope" and "change". i'll be voting Romney. The only guy approaching a responsible adult in this whole mess. Plus? He'll keep your taxes low.
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someone here went around to all the Ron Paul signs, cut out the 'u', flipped it upside down and used it to cover the 'o', so that every sign said Ru Paul.pretty fucking funny.and where is AnimalStructure? guess he doesn't get up this early. stayed up late writing his treatise on how Southern Conservative saved the civil rights movement.(and I wish I were joking, but he really does believe it)
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Point that one out for me in the constitution please. Must be in the same article that talks about a right to abortions.
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thanks vini77...
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Lets abolish the public school system. Better yet lets abolish social security...watch the old people vote against whoever is for that bit of insanity. While were at it lets get rid of garbage pick up. Thats not a right. Take your own damn garbage to the sanitation department. No one has a right to anything. Everyone for themselves. In fact we shouldn't even pay taxes. Your son is retarded...sorry we shouldn't have to pay for his special education. Your mom is retired? Sorry get her ass back to work were not paying for it. Oh you just got fired? Sorry were not paying you for that. You have no right to money just because your unemployed.
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can you find people across the spectrum of political ideology coming together. from those that know nothing about conservative politics, to those who know nothing about liberal politics. and everyone in the middle regurgitating something from one of their freshman college courses. it's truly a thing of beauty. collective ignorance is a great means for togetherness. from "hillary is a robot" to "obama has no voting record" to "democrats are socialists" to "I'm voting for Ron Paul"...ALL THE IDIOTS ARE HERE!!!it's a political down-syndrome free-for-all!!have a great Super Tuesderrrrrrrrrr
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...that allows your six figure salary? Well then you better contribute to it thats for damn sure.
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I am Scottish, our politicians have very little impact on the world. Even if I classed myself as British the influence we have in the world only marginally increases. You are Americans, your politicians shape the free world, and in doing so have a hand in the how the rest follow suit. Please go out and vote, and vote Obama or Hilary, but not McCain. The world of politics needs at least a token gesture (African-American or Woman) to leap forward into the 21st centuary.
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Having waded through that ill thought out diatribe, I have to ask one question: are you anti-democracy? Because that's sure as fuck what you appear to be.
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The majority of attacks against Barack Obama point to his "empty rhetoric" and "inexperience". Both allegations are completely false. His policies have been outlined on the campaign trail, on the internet (www.barackobama.com), and in an endless amount of debates. To give a brief summation, he promotes an improved foreign policy with greater diplomacy and a controled withdrawl from Iraq. He offers a Health Care plan that, through subsidies, will be affordable to every American. With the economy in peril, he offers a comprehensive plan addressing the burdens faced by a 21st century middle class. In fact, every issue imaginable is addressed in his outlined policy on www.barackobama.com .
Now, for the inexperience issue. Obama excelled at Harvard, earning a law degree and becoming the first African-American to be named President of the Harvard Law Review. He took that experience and used it to fight for the working man. As a community organizer, he brought competing interest together on common ground to make progress for those in need. At the same time, he taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago. With such an extensive knowledge of government & the needs of the people, the next obvious step was elected office. In the Illionis State Legislature, Obama worked with both parties to fix Health Care, along with many other issues. (See Outlined State Record at
www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2007/07/
29/us/politics/
20070730_OBAMA_GRAPHIC.html)
For Change rooted in logic and the right experience, choose Barack Obama as our next President. Harry knows what I'm talking about. Its just difficult to get people to listen beyond the rhetoric. In any event, happy voting to all!
SEE "Tomorrow for Obama" at...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaZiH-gDVVk
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Wow. In a load of crap you managed to make one good point. Well done, genius.
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Do you really want four to eight years of Hillary and Bill telling you how to act, talk, walk, think and essentially control every facet of your existence? C'mon, people...Enough with the co-dependency already.
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Feb 05, 2008 8:28:56 AM CST
Obama has the most liberal voting record in the Senate
by rainbowtrout1265
So how is he not partisan? FWIW, I'm a Conservative who would prefer Hillary if I had to choose between the two. At least she would have some balls regarding issues of national defense. Obama is a cupcake who would get rolled.
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Earlier today, presidential candidate Barrack Obama was seen visibly upset at the state of his wheelie refuse receptacle, which was full and had yet to be collected. More on this as it breaks.
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SEARCH THY HEART
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Twice now she's cried in public when she hasn't gotten her way. She is revealing herself to be too feminine for the job. She obviously can't handle pressure like she thought.
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There's only one candidate. VOTE FOR A DOSE OF TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION to the white house.
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It would just be a huge phlegm-encrusted spit in the face for all the in-bred racist hicks who unfortunately still exist in the U.S. That and I want to see an end to the Clinton/Bush streak.
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I am amazed that no one has commented on HillaryLovesMe's post. Well let me be the first. Well well said.
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which Rockefeller openly admits to having bankrolled so that the other half of America could be taxed as well. Just because there's never been a female President doesn't mean that you vote a woman in for the novelty of it! She's too emotional and Obama is too shady. Ron Paul is the only candidate who can restore this nation. You idiots will realize this after we get an inferior choice like Obama, who could very well be an infiltrator or McCain, who thinks everyone should serve in the war because he was a POW.
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Muslim is not a race. It's a religion, a lifestyle choice. Therefore, people can't be racist in regards to that. And what's wrong with people not wanting an American to lead America? It's their country too!!!
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VOTE FSM 2008!
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And it wasn't "well said". It was a collosal tome that managed to say "screw everbody else! democracy is bad! I need more survival rations in my cabin", but little of actual substance.
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just like you can be bigoted to jews. There's no excuse for it. It isn't any better just because it isn't strictly racism.
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and hover above voting stations...SMITING ALL WHO OPPOSE ME
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Everyone is supposedly inspired by Obama because he's the shiny new penny and he promises all sorts of free goodies - like a male Oprah - but it's obvious that most of his supporters don't have the slightest clue as to how naive and clueless he is about how the real world works.But, who cares, right? Obama is for "CHANGE" so he's gotta be good, right? Well, Hitler brought change; Mao brought change; Pol Pot brought change; Kim Jong Il brought change; Stalin brought change; Ayatollah Khomeini brought change. Change =/= progress. Change =/= always good.If you don't know what you're voting for, you're worse than those who just stay home. Ignorance is no virtue in times like these.
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I was actually referring to the fact that he's a different color. I didn't say anything about religion. Religion doesn't come into it for me. Provided he's not taking the Koran the wrong way and decapitating children, then I don't see a problem. People are entitled to believe what they wish. Personally I'm nihilist towards all religions. I'm a filthy European so I'm not exposed to half the incidents and stories surrounding this election, but as regards regards Americans leading America? Cmon' guys you need all the good publicity you can get right now. People are afraid to go into your country because of all the shit that's happened...
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"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
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Also, I have some doubts as to how much change Obama really wants. Does he want us to vote in a Republican House and Senate to change Congress? Does he want those in Pelosi's district to vote her out for change's sake? Of course not. Is he going to pare down the bloated entrench Washington DC bureaucracy? Uh, no. The only change Obama is interested in is the one that puts him in the White House. For everything else, I'm sure he wants it exactly the same.
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Hooray Democracy, 99% sure it's the best political system we're going to get to insure rights and what not. That doesn't mean it doesn't cater to a majority- for better or worse. Unfortunately, we seem to have lost any sense of personal responsibility for our fellow man, and now we need a giant beauracratic baby-sitter to take care of us all. I'm not even saying its the worst idea in the world. Maybe the American people are too far gone to act on behalf of themselves, but it sure as heck isn't the best idea, not even remotely the direction America as a civilization should be heading as a bastion of freedom or independence. Maybe that's too abstract for people. Not pragmatic enough. *sigh*
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That we had to care what the rest of the world thinks about us? I agree we should be able to be civil when doing business and make agreements that are fair to all, but as far as if some Frenchman calls Americans 'slobs', why am I obligated to want to change my entire way of life to accomodate France's view of what a life should be? I've never understood why America's 'image' to the rest of the world is supposed to move me so much.
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We have a weak dollar which makes tourism here quite desirable.
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Feb 05, 2008 8:57:32 AM CST
Why doesn't Europe ever say shit about China or North Korea?
by sick fixx
They're ten times worse than America could ever be at its most tyrannical. Forced abortions of most baby girls. HOLDING A FUCKING GUN TO THE HEADS OF NORTH KOREAN CITIZENS IF BRITNEY SPEARS SHOWS ANY SKIN!!! THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED!!! THEY'RE MONSTERS!
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Oh, religion doesn't matter to you, hmm? Well, I don't want a Muslim in the White House, period. It's skin color I don't care about. I guess anybody who doesn't vote for Obama is a racist then.
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TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.
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I'm not even a liberal, but am actually fucking appalled at some of the attitudes on here.
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I'd vote for him
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Take a look at Sick Fixx's answer and then ask yourselves why the Dollar is weak and don't just say it's the economic climate. I know full well you don't care what other nations think. That's why you're in this situation: A dirty war with a president who has made more errs in judgement than I've had hot dinners. And please don't peg me as some America hater. I've been to your country and it's great.
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I mean, really? Get somebody new in. This Obama guy seems to know what he's talking about.
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In New Orleans! Not Austin. Harry, you're missing out.
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"Yesterday is yesterday. If we try to recapture it, we will only lose tomorrow." - Bill Clinton
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How very open-minded of you.
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Feb 05, 2008 9:07:33 AM CST
I'm practicing jumping trains with the other HOBOS
by itto ogami loses daigoro
I heard this is a required skill during a depression.
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VOTE OR DIET !! ..just had to..
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A low class soap opera is exactly what the Clintons are. Don't forget, Clinton had the chance to execute Osama (not Obama) and fudged it. And don't forget Kosovo either.
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That don't vote anyway. No worries.
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This isn't meant to be a loaded question, I don't have a pre-fabricated retort in mind, but I am interested to know what you think is great about America from an outside perspective. You mind stating where you're from?
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I realize that most of you like to vote for a winner since it makes you feel like you've accomplished something by checking off a little box and slapping a sticker on your sweater but y'know there are more than just the two parties right? I think most people would find themselves pretty much in tune with the Libertarian party if they took the time to look at the candidates. You constantly vote for the big two who are pretty much the same anyway and then spend four years complaining when they let you down. I'll be excited if Obama wins and actually manages to do something different but lets face it, he's a member of the democratic party and he's going to feel the same pressure for support than any other big candidate would. All of you who are buying into the crap that Hillary and Obama are spouting now, wait until one of them gets nominated and see how quickly their opinions start to change once the entire country is listening. Vote third party if for no other reason than we need change in a way that voting for someone who's last name isn't Clinton or Bush won't bring.
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Nick Berg's mind was very open when Islamic Fundamentalists sawed it open. People forget so fast that this man died for nothing. He wasn't even a soldier and they hogtied him and butchered him. Daniel Pearl. We have a right to not want a Muslim in the White House even if it means being called 'close minded'. You must have forgotten that the Muslims are now attacking Europe as well. France sure didn't mind defending themselves when the riots happened, did they? No, when the threat comes home, they act just as we have. Same with Britain. And don't even start with the 'Why do you automatically assume I'm from France? You think France is all Europe is?' Because I know how you people turn arguments. Obviously, you have not said what part of Europe you are from. I've noticed this about self proclaimed Europeans on Aint it Cool talkbacks. They always say they're from Europe. They don't get specific. Maybe they're cowards.
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I've been to lots of different places, and am married to an American.
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Who are you to say I'm close minded because I don't want a Muslim in the White House??? You're not even directly tied in to American politics, and you're trying to dictate that I'm a bigot or a racist because I want a leader I'm comfortable with??? Some of that old country fascism, sounds like.
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'You really shouldn't bash it if you haven't given it a chance.' 'If you don't want Hilary in the White House, you're a sexist.' 'If you don't want a Muslim in the White House, you're a bigot.' I WANT A REAL MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!! I want Ron Paul to restore this country to a prestige I've never seen in my lifetime.
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What about the hundreds of Muslims that have nothing to do with extremists that you are tarring with the same brush. Muslim does not necessarily equal terrorist. And don't you have seperation of church and state? Therefore it shouldn't matter if the president is Christian, Muslim, Buddhist or worships the Flying Spaggheti Monster. The only reason it does matter is because the parties have discovered that being religious is a vote winner.And I'm not European. I'm British. And what you know about the Islamic Problem in this country could be written on the back of a postage stamp. We've lived under a terrorist threat for fucking decades. Ain't nothing new about this lot of murdering bastards.
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Politics is a game for children. Let them get on with it, the outcome is the same. The rest of the Adults can get on with the real work, rather than playing with shadow puppets.
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The dot com bubble burst donkey's before the Bush election. Just FYI.
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All right, Lost Jarv, I'd like to hear your opinion too, What do you like about America, and fo you mind stating where your from. I only ask out of personal interest.
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Not at all. I'm Irish. Dublin born and bred, so hide the booze. What do I think is great about America... I love your food! I love the Greyhounds! I got to see so much stuff because of those buses. I love your accent(s). I love that there's someone from every walk of life within six feet of you. I love your weather. I definitely love your women! And finally, even though I now despise Hollywood, even I have to admit you guys rule the roost for box office takings around the world. American cinema is a juggernaut!
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Feb 05, 2008 9:23:32 AM CST
Here's what Ralph Nader had to say about Obama last week
by brandloyalist
Positive but critical. My opinion of his opinion: big media's fault again; you only had to scan Google's headline listings to observe the media blackout Edwards' explicit rhetoric earned him (let alone Kucinich!). Quoted from his Thursday interview by Democracy Now! (http://democracynow.org):
"My assessment of Barack Obama is that he knows what the score is in terms of the male distribution of power. He knows what he has said in the past about the Israeli-Palestinian issue and the need for Palestinian rights and a two-state solution. He knows that this war was a criminal war in Iraq and we’ve got to get out of it in a responsible, expeditious manner. He knows that corporations have too much power over workers and consumers and small taxpayers and elections and the government.
"But when you watch him, he stays at a very high plane of generality and abstraction about change, and we’re one nation, and we’re one people. And that may sing with the desire of people to feel like they’re part of a unity, but it doesn’t do much for the productivity of the political dialogue. He does not get specific enough. Therefore, I think his main problem is he’s censoring himself, and that is not sufficiently rationalized by saying that’s just a tactic to win the primaries and get elected." -
He's been a good boy and he has a better chance at winning than Ron Paul.
What's not to like about Ralphie?
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What is all this about a Muslim in the White House? There are no Muslims on the ticket.
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We need the Free Penis For All bill signed NOW.
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Hillary's not. McCain isn't. Romney...no. Huckabee...no way!! Paul? I don't think so. So I guess that would mean you're talking about Obama. In that case....you are a misinformed, I don't care it's what I say or the highway idiot.
Part of the responsibility of being a voter is to be an informed one. Sick Fixx, you need to get informed before you rant.
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Wow, Animalstructure/Thunderballs, that was quick.
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You said that the economy slowed for 3 straight quarters before the election AND the dot com bubble burst. Not the same thing at all. If you meant that the slowdown was due to the dot com mess then fair enough.
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Also he can dance.
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The rest didn't post, so
Obabma is not muslim. Part of the responsibilty of being a voter is to be informed. If you don't pay attention to the hundreds of FALSE emails and instead do research on the facts, I believe you'd find Obama to be a member of the Penticostal Church. HE IS NOT A MUSLIM.
Believing everything you want to does not make you informed. It actually makes you an idiot.
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THIS site? Ordering people to vote for the most liberal canidate to run for President since George McGovern (and that is a verifiable fact)? Impossible. This is like looking at a crazy 10 year old talking about politics and saying to them "That's nice, dear, but the the adults are talking. Go back to your room and play your playstation."
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and have been lucky enough to travel to lots of different bits of America, I like the people I met, the attitude, cheery optimism, a lot of American books, films etc, I find it endlessly fascinating that such a big diverse place is drawn together under one flag, and like Evilgeek I like your women. I married one.
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I read it on the internet so it MUST BE TRUE!!!!!! Fucking dickwads. And Stan Gable, apparently you've sucked on Rush Limbaugh's cock enough to mimic his twisted form of logic...
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. . . I'm surprised everybody's not switching the subject and talking about cool fanboy shit. I'm proud of you AICN!!!
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but can't find a way to shoehorn a conversation about low rent horror, Warwick davis, bears, porn, animal porn, remakes, etc in. It's very frustrating.
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You all should really check this out:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Vo5CZvD3-QM
These people are all traitors. This election is simply theater, as they all have been for God knoes how long.
Ron Paul isnt playing this game, hence the media blackout/smear campaign.
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but not entirely devastating. The long-term outcome was that the most innovative and value-laden companies survived and prospered, and transformed the world into a more efficient Net-based economy. It was investors who did not do their homework who lost out on the bubble, and that happens with the stock market on any given day - just that in this case the drive to invest in any over-hyped dotcom stock was enormous. The bubble put a stop to wild speculation and allowed investors to focus on corporations with solid offerings and not just hype.
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And supports Hillary Clinton for VP. They know that planes flown into US buildings will increase by a factor of 10 with an Obama presidency, especially since Obama or Clinton would probably give the hijackers families their frequent flier miles posthumously along with a dozen roses and a thank you card that reads "Thanks for killing our innocent civilians. We deserved it. Sorry to be a superpower. Love Barack Hussein & Hillary".
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Hey, Let the same philosophy and people run health care! Brilliant!
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=Vo5CZvD3-QM
search "carroll quigley cfr quotes"
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Let me tell you something about Ireland. Everyone's a fucking racist here! Everyone! And it's not just skin color we reserve judgment for. Some call it necessary prejudice. I just call it plain old narrow-mindedness. I understand that you feel anger towards the muslim religion but if you tar them all with the same brush, then what's to stop someone like me coming along and calling all Americans war-mongering fat-asses. The door swings both ways. Bear in mind, Americans have killed more than the terrorists have although by now I wouldn't say by much. I hate those crazy fuckers too, but I'm not going to extend my hatred to the bigger picture of the muslims. I felt exactly like you a while back. But if you're genuinely confident in Ron Paul then that's cool.
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Credibility destroyed!
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that's a different matter altogether. People losing a few thou in the dotcom bubble aint nothing compared to being in debt on a mortgage that exceeds the property's value. That's exponentially worse. Some analysts forecast that around mid-08, there will be more bad news from the consumer credit (credit cards and car loans, etc) and corporate credit sectors. Brace yourselves and thank God none of the current candidates can hold a candle to Bush for sheer stupidity.
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Hey folks, Harry here - This isn't a movie post - I'm just reminding all you good folks, like you're not aware - to get out and vote if you're in one of the SUPER TUESDAY voting areas. I'm in Texas - we don't get to vote for quite some time, but if the commentators are right - it looks like the Democratic Nominee won't be decided up till possibly then.
Personally - I'm an OBAMA fan. And I have been since his speech here in Austin, back last February at Auditorium Shores. However, I saw it in Blu-Ray, which most people haven't, so I'm not expecting anyone else to fully understand. You don't know anything about Obama until you've seen him in 1080p. -
A film about voting? Political writing has never been my thing so perhapses this Obama character can turn out to be a monster we all want to see but DON'T until the last five minutes or so. Hilary and Bill and hug/kiss/tell each other how they really feel while all hell comes crashing down. Wait, wasn't that the 2000 election turnout? You USA'ers; such good sports.
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"Vote for Hillary and enjoy having your wages garnished if you don't elect to participate in her socialist health care plans."
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for deliberately clearing a path for them on 9/11. Go play with your vintage Spock dolls.
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I like our women too. Seems like you guys can appreciate our people before our politics. I like that. Me too. And who doesn't like a good burger with freedom fries.
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and it's remained pretty civil in here so far.
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Good point. But don't even bother talking about the CFR with anyone outside of your own social circle, because we can't even convince them that it's a real organization, even though John Edwards has name dropped it in public media, and he's not the only one. I think the majority of people discount what they call 'conspiracy theories' out of fear that anything that insidious could actually be going on. It's a child's trick to shut your eyes from bad stuff and it'll go away, or maybe it was never there to begin with. It's only human nature, after all.
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He's obviously a supporter, and has been for a while. The "quotes" were a total set-up, as is always the case in the talk show setting. Not even remotely spontaneous - and the "I love Obama" BS was more than a bit gratuitous. The "staging" of it was just so blatant - the "wearing the pants-suit in the White House" was a groaner.
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"Lenders do not lend money to borrowers who don't have the credit or the income to afford it." Erm, they did. Hence the fuck up.
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Is a fucking moron. Nuff Said. If Obama loses the primary, then my vote goes to Hil by default anyone but another goddamn Republican. But thanks to the Bush/Cheney regime, it should be a easy victory for the Dems. And I have not heard much of Mccain's stances. Sick FiXX whatever it is you are smoking, one of my coworkers would like to buy some of that shit from ya. Muslim indeed. XD
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speaking of drastically shrinking our government size. Giving you back your money. Bringing home all of our troops from our over 730 military bases in 130 countries. He wants to no longer be an empire, but rather a country that shares, trades, prospers, and communicates with all nations. He is the only candidate truly versed in the economy. He actually has a plan to fix the economy not just hold it over until a huge depression comes. He is the only candidate that has a 100% vote in line with the constitution. Look it up. He is the only republican candidate that is entirely funded by individuals not corporations. He has said he doesn't want to run your life, and wouldn't pretend to know how to. He is the only candidate that wants to restriction government involvement in your life not increase it. He was right about Iraq, right about Iran, right about the economy.
So that is my pitch for Ron Paul. Sounded pretty good didn't it. It's all true. He will not win because the media has ignored, ridiculed and demeaned him the entire time. Thanks media. Thanks. -
With Cronenberg as Secretary for Defense and Nick Cave as Secretary for The Broken-Hearted! That would be fun!
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Are you completely ignorant about the subprime mortgage mess? I spend a lot of time on AICN but, um, reading the news might be worthwhile too.
"Lenders do not lend money to borrowers who don't have the credit or the income to afford it." ... that's PRECISELY the cause of the multi-billion dollar losses every major bank has suffered. 95% to 100% mortgages to anyone with a pulse.
And if the consumer credit sector goes down, the whole economy does. No spending, no revenues, no jobs. Which will further drive property values down.
What does this have to do with Bush? Are you daft? He deliberately drove this train to this station with his economic policies while the country was distracted by bloodshed in the Middle East. I mean, hell, he was the worst borrower of all. He borrowed from China and every other country to pay for the war, and who's footing the bill? The Middle Class' future. -
Feb 05, 2008 9:56:46 AM CST
(In my Bill "Science Guy" Nye voice) Consider the following:
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
1. Obama is inexperienced and is running a campaign about "change."
2. "Change" is not always a good thing. In fact, things could get WORSE if they were to "change."
3. The media is having an exposure and coverage orgy with Barack Hussein Obama. Historically, the media does NOT represent most Americans.
4. Hillary and Bill are the first to point at Barack Hussein Obama's lack of experience and questionable ethical background.
5. Hillary says to not vote for Obama.
6. Obama says to not vote for Hillary.
Conclusion: Both Obama and Hillary are right about who NOT to vote for. Both Obama and Hillary are WRONG for this nation at this time in history!
John McCain is the only candidate with military experience and long-term government leadership experience. He is the only "normal" American running (normal being that he seems to genuinely identify with most Americans; and he actually watched the Superbowl for the same reason that we watched -- a good game and cool commercials). While I don't agree with John McCain in every area, he is the best candidate for the job of President of the United States. He is the only candidate that gives Osama bin Laden (and every other funadmentalist religious terrorist) nightmares. I like McCain that he was willing to suffer and endure for 5 and a half years as a tortured Prisoner of War -- while raunchy ULTRA-LIBERAL American hippies back home were calling him a "baby killer." Why did he do this? He loved his country. I don't think that Barack Hussein Obama or Hillary Rodman Clinton really love their country like that. I think that Hillary and Obama love being loved and are in love with a LIBERAL IDEA about America. I don't want America to be as FAR-LEFT LIBERAL as Hillary, Obama or Nancy Pelosi are aiming. They only "tolerate" those who support and agree with them.
ABC: A-nybody B-ut C-linton!
NWO: N-o W-ay, O-bama!
This race has nothing to do with color. It has everything to do with ideology! I would love to have a woman or an African American for President. Clinton is not that woman. Obama is not that African American.
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Starts now ... GO HILLARY!
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If you vote for Hilary you will get what you voted for, namely a woman who really can't get things done because she WILL be undermined by her spouse.
If you vote for Obama, you will get a big ideas man who will make landmark legislation compromises because he has the same spirit JFK had. Sure he hasn't said anything truly meaningful in the campaign but guess what people, POLICY doesn't win votes! Getting people off their asses to vote, THAT wins votes. So my wife and I are both going to vote for Obama in five minutes.
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...if she shows me her tits! LOL!!!
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He may have a shot. His association with the party of nutbags is just a hindrance to his ambitions.
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Feb 05, 2008 10:01:03 AM CST
MCCain's Campaign Pres: "The Alamo = heroes who died for nothing
by arcadiands
Yesterday on Missouri's am radio show, "The Vincent David Jericho Show", the Campaign President for John McCain rationalized McCain's having abandoned his own views to cooperate with Democrats as such:
"If you stand your ground on something and die, what have you accomplished? nothing."
Jericho: "What about The Alamo. They stood their ground against an invading army and payed with their lives. Was that for nothing?"
"Sure. They became martyrs for a lost cause and it was such a sad waste."
Go ahead and vote McCain but just remember that he thinks that the brave men who stood their ground at The Alamo against the armies of Mexico wasted their lives and should have tried to find a common ground of cooperation with the invading enemies.
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Thanks for pointing out that all of us "poor Republicans" are "nutbags," dickhead. Get a life before you start spewing so much ignorant "talking point" myths from the DemocRATic Party!
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I would.
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Feb 05, 2008 10:03:11 AM CST
OK, here's how it is, and if you actually read this........
by flickapoo
...you will have to agree with me. America has always needed both Left and Right, Democrats and Republicans (yes, I know that they haven't always been called by those names, but the principles still existed). It's a Yin and Yang sort of thing. In the early twentieth century things were very "Republican"...individualism, big business etc... Well, that was great for a while, but then we ended up with insanely rich robber barons putting eight year olds to work in coal mines, old people eating each other to stay alive, the great depression etc... So, then the "democrats" or "left" took over for a while...that got us social security (so your fat ass won't starve to death when you are old), medicare, child labor laws, minimum wage (so your asshole boss at Seven-Eleven has to pay you at least six bucks an hour) etc... And that was good stuff. But none of us really wanted to live in a completely Socialist country, so eventually things tipped back the other way. You see? The other side doesn't suck, sometimes the stew needs a little salt, and sometimes it needs a little pepper. Now at the moment I would argue that we have been salted up the ass for the last eight years and we need a big, big dose of pepper....we are quickly heading back to the robber baron-eight year olds in the coal mines days. Time for the "Left" to think about the little guy for a while...maybe get some universal health care for real (because pretty soon only Mitt Romney and the Bush family are going to be able to afford to get their appendix out if they need to). In conclusion, neither the Ying nor the Yang of American politics is BAD. At the moment though we have just been Yanged up the butt for eight years and we desperately need a little soothing Ying lotion for a while. If you think about it you will know it's true...I will even let you quote me at parties...people will think you're a genius.
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Because it's a damn good game with cool commercials. I'm John McCain, and I approve this message." McCain 2008, :rolleye:
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(in strong South African accent)...because he's black...
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ISOLATIONISM NEVER WORKS PEOPLE. I swear to f'ing God it amazes how limited the mindset of some people are. There's a reason we still mock Neville Chamberlain. Paul wants to get us out of NAFTA. Protectionism also never works. Domestically, I'm quite fond of a Libertarian mindset. But for some reason the notion got planted that to be a Libertarian means to support a Fortress America. It's ridiculous, it's unworkable, and it's dangerous.
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I was talking about the power-drunk politicos that were raging in the party at the height of Bush's power and are still there. I wasn't talking about true Conservatives whose own policies run counter to the party's now- radical mainsteamers. But thank you for taking the time to read my post.
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I can easily afford to have my appendix out because I have a JOB. And I'll continue having a JOB.
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That useless bitch can't even serve me drinks at my local Bar.
She's just another puppet for the Bush/Cheney regime. Her observation of WMAs in Iraq were proven inconclusive not to mention while the Katrina disaster was happening, she was out shopping for shoes in NYC and being jeered by the New Yorkers. Macain, I dunno but Condi..Aw hell naw! -
Ask Kloipy when he next shows up. He had a horrible story about it.
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to discuss movies by now? Hannah Montana, #1 movie in America ... not a single review on this site. This site is so out of touch.
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Not even for McDonald's assistant manager for the drive in window.
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100 years in Iraq...
He sang "Bomb Iran"
He has admitted he knows not much about the economy but that his friends Jack Kemp etc etc do...essentially saying he will pass the task onto other people.
He now supports the Bush taxes cuts, after opposing them in the past...thus flip flopping.
He wants illegal immigrants to pay a $3,000 fine and then be able to stay in America.
McCain-Feingold restricted the first amendment.
He will stand no chance against Obama...that is why the republicans will go for Romney. Pretty Boy versus great public speaker...
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the world's going down the shitter. Imagine Harry not posting a review of a film with pubescent girls in it. It's the apocalypse.
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...whoever... just make sure your campaign ads for the general election prominantly feature that footage of Nutcase McCain humping Bushie's leg!
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I love the fact that the anti-Obama talkbackers are acusing the pro-Obama's of not knowing their candidate and yet the only arguments I see from you against him are things like "HE'S MUSLIM!" (even though he's not). The fact is that the two Dems are actually very very close on their policies with slight diffences in their health care plans (Hilary's trying to avoid admitting that she'll garnish your wages) and Iraq (Obama's willing to say that barring a major new development he'll have the troops out of Iraq and focusing on Al Queda within 16 months of taking office). I'm off to work, but I challenge the rest of you to use actual facts and state your case legitimately. Otherwise, go back to bitching about movies and porno.
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Read this blog I found. Explains it all
http://eliastoufexis.blogspot.com/2008/02/optimist-for-obama_02.html
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Because thats as deep as I am.
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Her national healthcare plan includes the federally mandated REQUIREMENT that you pay for health insurance, and if you do not, they will garnish your wages and force that health care upon you
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Romney is Daniel Plainview with the sheen of Ronald Reagan. He seeks office for power and riches. We don't need that no more. America wake the fuck up.
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Ron Paul is not an isolationist. That is just patently untrue. He is a non-interventionist. They are actually very different. He wants to be friends and partners with all nations...that is not isolationism at all actually. He just doesn't want America to be policing the world..it is bankrupting us. Also why involved with those trade orgnizations when it is exclusionary and like the U.N. places sanctions on countries that kills millions (i.e. Iraq in the nineties)
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tshirthell.com
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clarify...I theorized that (1)both Left and Right are OK and necessary in good measure...and (2)we have had more than enough Right for a while and need a good dose of Left to balance things out. You disagree with point 1, 2, or both?
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I shut him down as voteworthy a long time ago.
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someones mind about - religion and politics regardless of who wins, it would be nice to see a voter turnout above 70%
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Why doesn't he run? Dobbs/Montana 08
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And I still don't know who I'm voting for, my candidate, Edwards, already dropped out. I guess I'll flip a coin.
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...or Hillary is a good second choice.
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Feb 05, 2008 10:23:05 AM CST
OK, here's how it is, and if you actually read this........
by sick fixx
you will have to agree with me. Obama is a Muslim. Hilary is a dyke. McCain is a grunt. Giuliani is a crossdresser. Kucinich is an alien in disguise. Mitt Romney believes he will inherit his own planet when he dies. Huckabee believes in expansion of government. Therefore, Ron Paul is the only logical choice. :D
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They gave him everything he ever wanted. On a silver platter.
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is ignorant.
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Feb 05, 2008 10:26:24 AM CST
i think we should make the conservative sect happy...
by jimmyjoe redsky
... and make our country a theocracy - the only candidate they have running that makes any sense is cain, and the cons hate him because hes not conservative enough - hes not a evang. minister like huckabee or a mormon wacko like romney - maybe next election the conservatives can get the pope to run - because we need a president that talks to god who can save the country from all the godless liberals (like me) - huckabee was here in my state drumming up support, he apparently doesnt believe in evolution and is open about it - i wonder if he believes in gravity - and romney, dont get me started - BringingSexyBack said it best above - i hope it comes down to obama and cain - that would be a good race - i want obama, but i can live with cain if he wins
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Feb 05, 2008 10:27:35 AM CST
thats no typo - i call McCain "cain", its a long story
by jimmyjoe redsky
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but I can tell you 100% that the word you are looking for is "garner" not garnish.
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1. Obama is inexperienced and is running a campaign about "change."
2. "Change" is not always a good thing. In fact, things could get WORSE if they were to "change."
3. The media is having an exposure and coverage orgy with Barack Hussein Obama. Historically, the media does NOT represent most Americans.
4. Hillary and Bill are the first to point at Barack Hussein Obama's lack of experience and questionable ethical background.
5. Hillary says to not vote for Obama.
6. Obama says to not vote for Hillary.
Conclusion: Both Obama and Hillary are right about who NOT to vote for. Both Obama and Hillary are WRONG for this nation at this time in history!
John McCain is the ONLY candidate with military experience and long-term government leadership experience. He is the only candidate who currently has children actively serving in the military. He is the only "normal" American running (normal being that he seems to genuinely identify with most Americans; and he actually watched the Superbowl for the same reason that we watched -- a good game and cool commercials). Hillary thought that Eli Manning threw a nice "home run" while Barack Hussein Obama thought that there was plenty of money to be made from lawsuits following the game!
While I don't agree with John McCain in every area, he is the best candidate for the job of President of the United States. He is the only candidate that gives Osama bin Laden (and every other funadmentalist religious terrorist) nightmares. I like McCain that he was willing to suffer and endure for 5 and a half years as a tortured Prisoner of War -- while raunchy ULTRA-LIBERAL American hippies back home were calling him a "baby killer." Why did he do this? He loved his country.
I don't think that Barack Hussein Obama or Hillary Rodman Clinton really love their country like that. I think that Hillary and Obama love being loved and are in love with a LIBERAL IDEA about America. I don't want America to be as FAR-LEFT LIBERAL as Hillary, Obama or Nancy Pelosi are aiming. They only "tolerate" those who support and agree with them.
ABC: A-nybody B-ut C-linton!
NWO: N-o W-ay, O-bama!
This race has nothing to do with color. It has everything to do with ideology! I would love to have a woman or an African American for President. Clinton is not that woman. Obama is not that African American. McCain/Condi in 2008!!!
This period of history is far too important to waste it on two untried power-hungry, self-promoting candidates like Hillary Clinton or Barack Hussein Obama.
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his magic Mormon underpants and gold rune reading glasses keep him down to earth...
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I picture them in the oval office, being briefed on international terrorist stuff... wearing batman and robin outfits... that would be cool...
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I'm quite impressed you could be bothered to put in the html on the cut and paste
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I'm so tired of people in the Lost talkback. "Locke killed that woman ZOMG!!1! Kate humped that tree ZOMG!!1! Nikki and Paulo got buried alive ZOMG!!1! Hurley ate that man ZOMG!!1! Smoke Monster turned into a hand ZOMG!!1!" It gets old.
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i've got to start watching lost again
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Feb 05, 2008 10:35:29 AM CST
Do you want an ULTRA-LIBERAL ACTIVIST in the White House?
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
They why vote for Barack Hussein Obama? Obama is the wrong man for this point in history. Barack's rhetoric is interlaced with the same old "tax and spend" philosophy of liberals of past ages. Why do you think ol' Teddy (the Murderer) Kennedy is supporting his liberal pal? It won't be long before Barack Hussein Obama begins using the "Republicans hate black people" or "Democrats are the party of the poor and common man" lies.
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He is an ass. He believes the US economy should revert to using pieces of eight. He actually supports the idea that states should be allowed to make laws allowing property owners to refuse to let people on their property based on their race. If a hotel owner wants to refuse service to a black person, that's alright by Ron Paul, because hes a libertarian and personal property is the most important. He actually said the Civil War was unnecessary and that Lincoln was wrong for waging it. Ron Paul is an idiot. Fuck Ron Paul.
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I edited it a little and then reposted it. Sorry for the poor grammar. :-P
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a pretty damn good public speaker. At least more comfortable with a mic than johny Ma and W. And miles better than robo-Hil. But Obama is a living embodiment of "just because you talk pretty, doesn't mean you know shit". The exact opposite of George W.
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The Democrats have been in charge of the House for all but 12 of the last 50 years, and the Senate for (I think) all but 18 of the last 50 years. Now, don't get me wrong, Bush did some lousy spending, but the fact of the matter is that our bloated entrenched government bureaucracy is largely Democrat-created. Meanwhile, when the Republicans were in charge at the end of the 90s, we were running surpluses (although mostly fueled by the Internet bubble and the resultant richer tax coffers). People try to give Clinton credit for that, but it's Congress that passes the budget and spends the money. Always has been.
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I didn't read it.
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I mean really, Spiderman unmasking, Captain America dying... and now no one remebers Spidermans secret identity and there is a new Captain America!
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that America has to becoming the great country it used to be.
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Just Because you look pretty doesn't mean you know shit is not the exact opposite of George W. he don't look pretty and he doesn't know anything.
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A big fan of the past 8 years? Uhhh...no. But I prefer the past 8 years over the crap in store for us that could result from an ultra-liberal, inexperienced guy like BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA. He served a year in Congress before deciding to run for President. What a pompous, self-promoting dick!
At least with McCain, we KNOW what we are getting. Hillary is just plain silly and Barack is a RISK that I am not willing to take. I would much prefer a McCain/Condi White House than a Hillary or Obama lib-fest. -
What do you imagine a President by himself -- i.e., without Congress' approval -- can actually do?
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...of his time in office. And after 911 he had huge approval ratings...he could have done ANYTHING he wanted...how do you explain the current situation? (neverending war, weakest dollar ever, tanking economy, huge trade deficit, etc...)
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BA-BA-B00-EY!!!!!
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He may wear depends, but at least it's not sanctioned by Joseph Smith!
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His one year spent it Congress before deciding to run for President just does not provide enough experience to be the most powerful leader in the world.
McCain, on the other hand, has proven himself as a soldier, as a tortured prisoner of war for 5 1/2 years, as a middle class private citizen and as a Senator. Barack Hussein Obama is a piss-poor decision maker. He missed more votes than any other member of Congress, and only showed up to vote for his ultra-liberal causes. Before that, he was a rich lawyer who profitted from lawsuit abuse and representing scumbag slum landlords like Rezko. Is this the man we want for our President? I'd rather skip the risk and vote for someone tried and true...someone like John McCain McCain/Condi in 2008! -
Because no way in hell will he survive the actual Presidential race. Not even against Britney Spears.
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...and I badly wanted to vote for him eight years ago (when he lost the primary in SC)...I think he would have been the right guy at that time. Just not sure he is the right guy now...he admittedly doesn't know much about the economy, and health care isn't even on his radar. Like I said...cool guy though, and even though I think we need a Democrat I might vote for him over Hilary...
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Looks a lot like him, and doesn't act much different.
Also doesn't McCain's POW backstory seem similar to Lawrence Harvey's in the Manchurian Candidate? He seems a little nutty to me. -
But I really want to see President ARnie. Just change that constitution thingy to let him run. It would be hysterical.
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He's tough on illegal immigration
He knows how an economy works and can improve the economy(he used to run companies; as an entrepreneur (see rlcad.com)I respect that)
He's a reagan conservative, unlike McCain, who sides more often with democrats than republicans -
Omar Little for Vice President.
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He's tough on illegal immigration
He knows how an economy works and can improve the economy(he used to run companies; as an entrepreneur (see rlcad.com)I respect that)
He's a reagan conservative, unlike McCain, who sides more often with democrats than republicans -
In Rob Zombie's remake.
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"I surrender in Iraq!"
lol Barack Hussein Obama wants to prove that you CAN reason with a terrorist. I wonder if he would still believe it after they declare continued "jihad" on this nation? What a SLAP IN THE FACT to the people of Iraq who are finally realizing TRUE DEMOCRACY there! The terrorists are so weak and on the run that they are recruiting mentally disabled women for suicide bomb missions! Iraq is about to emerge VICTORIOUS! ...but Barack Hussein Obama says that we should surrender. What an ULTRA-LIBERAL dick! He speaks great ass-tickling rhetoric -- but it has no substance! Barack is a risk NOT WORTH TAKING! -
Regardless of which Democrat is running for President, they get my vote. I have no preference between Clinton and Obama. Either one will get my vote against the lamb-that-will-be-slain-Republican that goes up against him/her. Of course, if either one had Stephen Colbert as their running mate, that's the one I would vote for.
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in the Gameplan. I hope they make a part II.
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We both had to fight off the brits! Only kiddin' England. No hard feelings! had to say it though...
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Come on Harry, Obama's positions and voting records are so close to Hillary's, they could be the same Senator (and basically are). I'm voting for McCain because I'm a veteran and KNOW what he stands for, know his integrity, and know that he will fight for this country on all fronts (domestic, foreign, social, etc.). A vote for a Democrat is a vote against America.
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Is to take the oil. Otherwise, we need to get out. If you support the Iraq war/occupation for any other reason, you're basically supporting the bankrupting of the American economy, and a takeover of it by Beijing and Dubai.
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You don't get elected Governor of Mass. by being a Reagen Conservative.
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Maybe he doesn't want another corrupt neopotismic administraion like the current one. Let's face it, if the Clintons take back the Whitehouse, it'll just be a rehash of the past 8 years, just it'll be Clintons instead of bushs.
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I'm fucking sick of having wankers like you waving around Britain's colonial past. It's tossers like you that kept the IRA funded through fucking noraid. No Hard Feelings! Had to say it though. And before you say anything, my old man is from Dublin and he would never, ever say something as stupid, asinine and offensive as that. But it isn't offensive if you say it against the English, is it?
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From the top: 1, W never had as high ratings as his father did (HW at one point had like a 91% approval rating). Too much bad blood from the Florida Supreme Court trying to award the election to Gore. That was never changing.
Deficit/costs of war: Same source. Bush adopted a proactive approach in the "War on Terror" (whatever that means). War costs money. As we now know, Hussein (Saddam, not Obama) faked WMDs because he feared an attack from Iran. So he got attacked by the US instead. Bush got antsy because the summer was approaching, and he started the war before he should have. As a result, a plan for maintaining the country was never put together, and the administration has mostly played catch-up since then.
In addition, the tax cuts at the beginning of the term was never met with tax raises when the economy recovered (although recession -> 9/11 -> Katrina never really gave a stable moment in which to raise taxes), so the deficits weren't going away anytime soon.
As for the weak dollar, well, currency valuations are historically cyclical. The weak dollar benefits the US, though, so the only people who complain are people who don't understand the effects of currency on the economy, or Europeans who are getting royally f'd over by the weak US dollar.
As for the economy, it's not tanking. That's what the funny thing is. Unemployment is still low. Job market is cooling off, yes, but there is no indication that a massive round of layoffs is about to hit. You have the morons who gave out the subprime mortgages like candy, but a recession was due soon anyway. Until the unemployment numbers start to hit 6, I won't even break a sweat about the economy. -
because he's the closest thing to a conservative in this race, (and that's really sad.) Obama is a flat out socialist, Hillary...the less said the better, and McCain is weak on illegal immigration and tax cuts.
It's actually pretty depressing being a conservative in today's America. The Republicans had the table set to hold power for decades and actually reduce the size of government, but Bush turned out to be incompetent and the congress spent like drunken sailors. They blew it.
Now we're looking at possibly electing an unapologetic socialist.
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Been reading the Guardian and it's wound me up.
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Do you WANT a microchip implanted in your hand???
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See, I support maintaining US troops in Iraq because I believe that if the Iraqis aren't ready, ten of thousands of them will die in the ensuing civil war. I'm glad to see that you place more value on economy than human life. The South would've loved you in the antebellum period.
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Partly because I agree wholeheartedly with what Harry said....meet with others, even if you disagree, hang together, then do something. I think our government is too old and bloated to do any of that so I choose to not participate in any of it.
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Ron Paul is a feeble old man who ran in the eighties and lost because he is a feeble old man that sounds like an old woman. No other country will take us seriously if he is our president. The same thing can be said about McCain who is also a feeble old man, but replace the "sounds like an old woman" with says dumbass senial shit. And can anyone tell me how the fuck Ronald Reagan got to be some kind of God? He was one of the worst presidents we ever had! It almost couldn't get any worse until Bush came along. And Reagan was king of saying dumbass senial shit while he was in office, but at least he a had alzheimers so he had an excuse, unlike Bush or McCain. Why do rebublicans always try and elect feeble old men? -
Wow, way to help your case there.
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if you morons think Obama would runt he same campaign against McCain he is running against Hillary you are fools. He's very smart, changing strategies to suit the opponent, and I would expect no less. He can't fully plan strategy for the general nomination yet because it's only fucking super tuesday...but theres tons of things he can do int he general electaion against McCain. Hell, half of the wingnuts wont even vote for him because they get their marching orders from Rush, and Rush says he would never vote for McCain. GO MCCAIN! He's this Obama supporter's best friend!
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You are a goober if you think our military being there is saving lives. How many have been lost since we got in there, I'm guessing more than if Saddam was still there. Sure leaving will lead to many dead at first, but what's the differnce in 50,000 dying in a month and no more killed, or 50,000 killed in the current slow burn? They are going to die weather we're there or not. I guess you think we should still be in Nam too! And what the south has to do with this is anyone's guess. Maybe you like to hang out with your little buddies and play dress up during the weekends living out your Ken Burns fetish.
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Because your political discussions are at best, laughable. Before I read every single one of your talkbacks, I pretty much knew what I was getting into and oh my, you guys (and gals) didn't let me down. I have yet to see an intelligent post that clearly argues for a candidate (or against one). All I really see is not so subtle attempts to sling mud at each other; just like the politicians love to do!! What a fucking shock! "Obama is Muslim", "Barack Hussein Obama" (are you fucking kidding me with that? - yeah, it's his middle name which means jack shit!), "Republicans are religious dickheads", "Liberals are all pot smoking hippies". You guys are brilliant! Absolutely fucking brilliant!!
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Feb 05, 2008 11:09:08 AM CST
OBAMA is not the right man for this period of history!
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
He hasn't even fulfilled a single term in Congress! Are we willing to take such a bold risk on a man who has never been tested in the military or in a full term of Congress?
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It's cool man. I was really only joking! Sure half my relations live in Dagenham. I don't hate you or your country. And you're not responsible for what happened 80 years ago. It's under the bridge and nobody cares anymore. In fact I owe ya one for Glastonbury. Probably the most fun I've ever had. Friends?
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They cared more about economy than people's lives as well, too. Figured that would be obvious. Guess I expected too much of you, huh?
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Hey, so what, I couldn't remember how to spell senile. I'm not gonna take the effort to go look it up just so can post is stupid aicn talkback. Who care? Just because I couldn't spell that one fuking word does not invalidate my opinion or make any of the above mentioned more qualified to be our president. And I'm willing to put money on the fact that McCain doesn't know how to spell without looking it up either.
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I see BSB tore a hole in your mortgage argument, and you have not responded. The Rush comment I made earlier comes from years of listening to Limbaugh, and recognizing his technique of using half-truths and faulty logic to prove a point. Sorry about the fellatio reference, that was uncalled for.
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...but I don't quite get your point...are you saying things now are good and as they should be?
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Feb 05, 2008 11:12:14 AM CST
"never been tested in the military or in a full term of Congress
by bringingsexyback
You just described Dubya. Didja know that? And I would take Obama over that possum chaser any day.
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She wants to know why you won't shut up and fuck her already.
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my spelling and grammar in that last post was pretty bad. I'll admit that.
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I disagree about the employment prospects. The market is driven on news and predictions. January labor report showed a loss of 17,000 jobs. December showed a reduction in consumer spending. That kinds of news drives executives to start slashing costs. I think it's wise to start sweating now rather than later.
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The Right man for the Right job at the Right time for the right reasons because he's right, alrighty? Right!
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Feb 05, 2008 11:16:44 AM CST
IS HARRY GONNA SEND US SOME REFRESHMENTS IN THIS TALKBACK
by bringingsexyback
Feels like a cocktail party in here.
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America has always needed both Left and Right, Democrats and Republicans (yes, I know that they haven't always been called by those names, but the principles still existed). It's a Yin and Yang sort of thing. In the early twentieth century things were very "Republican"...individualism, big business etc... Well, that was great for a while, but then we ended up with insanely rich robber barons putting eight year olds to work in coal mines, old people eating each other to stay alive, the great depression etc... So, then the "democrats" or "left" took over for a while...that got us social security (so your fat ass won't starve to death when you are old), medicare, child labor laws, minimum wage (so your asshole boss at Seven-Eleven has to pay you at least six bucks an hour) etc... And that was good stuff. But none of us really wanted to live in a completely Socialist country, so eventually things tipped back the other way. You see? The other side doesn't suck, sometimes the stew needs a little salt, and sometimes it needs a little pepper. Now at the moment I would argue that we have been salted up the ass for the last eight years and we need a big, big dose of pepper....we are quickly heading back to the robber baron-eight year olds in the coal mines days. Time for the "Left" to think about the little guy for a while...maybe get some universal health care for real (because pretty soon only Mitt Romney and the Bush family are going to be able to afford to get their appendix out if they need to). In conclusion, neither the Ying nor the Yang of American politics is BAD. At the moment though we have just been Yanged up the butt for eight years and we desperately need a little soothing Ying lotion for a while. If you think about it you will know it's true...I will even let you quote me at parties...people will think you're a genius.
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Thanks.
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Barack's basically a black john Kerry. Big deal... People suppose he'll be an intelligent president but I think he'll be boring, honestly. He's like a robot. Then there's Hilary, who's basically John Kerry with tits. We need a president who has balls because balls is what matters in this world... but none of them seem to have it... sigh. Osama Bin Laden for president.
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then we would not be in Iraq. You're believing in a fantasy that we're our military are superheroes whose very presence in an area makes situations better. I respect life, but at this point the way this war has been run and will be run, there is no way to win this thing saving lives. If the USA does not get any of the oil, this war will lead to the bankrupting of our economy that isn't just an issue of wealth, but an issue of vulnerability. If you want to live in The United States of China, be my guess. Where do you think funding for this mess is coming from? We can never accomplish the goal of saving lives there, it's ingrained in the culture and history. People are going to die there if we're there or not. It's just a matter of it happening all at once (which I admit would happen if we left), or the comporable slow burn that we are seeing now.
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doesn't know he's black.
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Interpretation: Barack Hussein Obama plans to TAX THE HELL out of any American with a college diploma!
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We have had 8 years of a president with big balls. Personally I am sick of hick presidents. I was raised a hick. Down with hicks. It's time we elected a northerner and someone with brains instead of just balls. No Hickabee. No hick Clinton. McCain's a hick from Arizona. Romney's a Mormon, which is a western hick. Ron Paul is just an ass. Maybe a hick too. But Obama's no hick. And he plays Basketball. Gobama!
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Left and Right are just designs constructed by the Elite to distract us from the agenda they've been nursing from the beginning. They have kept people divided arguing over whether the nation is this way or that way, so that they can't see the CFR, Bilderberg, etc. molding the world the way THEY collectively see it. Have any of you ever read about Bohemian Grove and the filthy things our politicians do there on their 'vacations'? If you do research the Grove and still don't believe it, just read about Hunter S. Thompson's involvement there and how he was asked to participate in a snuff film.
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j-bot: I just found it hysterical that 'senile' was the word misspelled. I mean, think about it. It'd be like me calling someone out for being a bad speeler.
Flickapoo: Things could always be better. Obviously some things (Katrina being the most obvious example) couldn't have been avoided, and the subprime mortgage crisis was brought about purely by greed, but then again, so was the Internet bubble, and the Real Estate bubble, and every other bubble that has ever happened in an economy. I'm not saying these things are predictable per se, I'm just saying that they happen in one form or another. Economies run in cycles. You're always somewhere in the cycle. And since economics forbids a perfect situation (everyone working + strong wages = high inflation leading to eventually not everyone working and wages not being worth as much). But the weak dollar is at a perfect time, because Europe will do a large part in keeping the recession from getting too deep.
BSB: In reality, one should never sweat. That's the problem I had with Bernanke's 3/4 drop the other week. It was a panic move. It tells everyone else to panic. DON'T PANIC! Nothing hurts an economy faster than an emotional, unreasoned response. If people fear that the price of stocks are going to drop so they move all their money to bonds -- guess what, the price of stocks will drop! It's self-fulfilling. If everyone would just be rational (and that includes the mortgage they take out), the economy wouldn't have as many problems.
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"Why do you like the candidate you're supporting and voting for?" Harry asks with a devilish grin as he pours gasoline all over the lot of you. It's like I'm in fourth grade social studies only my teacher has been replaced by Mr.Blonde. Dance monkeys! Dance for AICN's amusement!
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He said he was sorry for over-reacting to your post. No worries.
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sorry, but how can anyone see a video like this and not be inspired? http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/yeswecanvideo
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We're in Iraq. Period. It doesn't matter how we got there. What is past is past. My position is the same now as it always was: do whatever minimizes the loss of life. I know there's a lot of people out there who care more about two thousand Americans dying than they do twenty thousand Iraqis dying, but I'm not one of them.
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and Harry's cool for giving everyone a forum to voice their opinion on this day.
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I've never really been into politics until recently. Growing up, I was too lost in fantasy, science fiction, comedy, movies, etc. I of course pursued my main love, cinema (or rather, art in general), not paying too much attention to the political scene. I'm a white guy in America, why would I? Never paid attention, that is, until a little administration came along led by a man named George W. Bush. Ever since 9/11 I wondered how our country had gotten to be in a state where we could be attacked like we were; my whole global perspective was shattered in a moment's time. Ever since then I've done some heavy research; not just on 9/11 and why we were attacked/who attacked us, but on our role as a nation in this world. I traveled to Mexico and Guatemala to see poverty in some of it's harshest forms. Saw how our surplus of luxury and convenience was affecting the world beyond our borders; devastating economies and fueling hatred. We have things too easy here, and by us, I mean well-off white men. Harry's right, if the "fairy tale" foundations of America aren't pursued, then nothing near Eutopian society will ever exist and we're pretty much doomed. Obama has brought attention to those in pain in his state of Illinois by establishing universal healthcare for as many as he could. He sees the potential in our hard-working, resident aliens and knows immigration reform does not mean shutting down the borders. He knows that suburban America is just simply not the way to construct a society given Mother Earth's natural resources. I trust him. He makes me feel like America can be something good again instead of succumbing to the patriotic intoxication of power like every other empire the world has come to know. I'm going to the polls, for the first time, with a large amount of hope. I hope you will too.
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Unless you want to stay in Iraq for a 100 years like McCain or suck off the special interests like Mittens Romney.
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more seriously ... if your login name wasn't GingerBallz. Just a thought.
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Are you trying to say that Bush did all that himself in less than 9 months?
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I agree that panic is not healthy in the marketplace. I could have sworn Bernanke's rate cut would boost confidence, but as you said, it had the opposite effect. Everyone panicked and sold. (although Yahoo rose, what, 49% on Microsoft's bid? Talk about a crazy market) But that's the mechanism. A lot of people really did have patience with the market through 2007 despite the mortgage meltdown, but now the problems are being seen to be systematic and not limited anymore. And my thinking is, if your company is sound, don't lay people off. But corporate execs don't think that way. They only look towards maxing profits and their own bonuses, and one of their first actions is layoffs, which makes things worse across the economy. So to my friends I say, save save save.
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just a quick question, whats the point of all this "pre-voting" stuff months and even a year before the actual elections? whats the reason or point or whatnot? because here in canada, we just go vote when its election time and thats. well they go, i've personally never voted in my life but i live in canada, cant blame me. anyway yeah, whats all this about?
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I'm Canadian.
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Food for thought. Thanks.
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And for no other reason! Suck it honky's!!!
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...sounds like you probably have a steady job in the financial sector...maybe even one of the few jobs left that provides health care. I'm self employed and work my ass off...pretty successful (illustrated several books to be found at a quality book store near you...), and a private family health care plan would cost more than my mortgage (a sensible 30 year fixed). If I get seriously ill I plan to blow my brains out on the Capital Steps... People don't work at Ford or Chrysler for forty years with full benefits anymore...that's a thing of the past.
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Ron Paul is an ass. Vote for Ron Paul if you want to national currency standard to be reverted to pieces of eight.
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...but seriously, I thought my screen name was bad...
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Thanks for the compliments. It's the truth, pure and simple. The problem is people are afraid of truth. It will make them accountable for themselves.
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It's really sad that people dont get there facts straight and call Obama a Muslim. They probably still are calling him a Muslim even after one of the talkbackers pointed it out. And what if he was a Muslim that shouldn't be a reason not to vote for him. It should be based on the person's issues not his/her religion.
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I'm glad I could make you laugh. But hey, that's the AICN talkback for ya. If you wanted a serious debate on politics you wouldn't be here.
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Maybe that will help.
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He's Muslim too.
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Ron Paul supports.....
* Eliminating birthright citizenship (a key provision of the 14th Amendment that overturned the Dred Scott decision)
* Withdrawing the United States from the United Nations
* Withdrawing the United States from the NATO Alliance
* Authored legislation saying that life begins at conception, to prevent federal money from being spent on family planning (that would include contraception), and has tried to amend the Constitution to "guarantee the right to life."
* Tried to repeal the Occupational Health and Safety Act, to abolish the minimum wage, and to eviscerate Social Security.
* Wants guns in schools.
* Has tried to repeal the Davis-Bacon Act to guarantee employees of federal contractors the prevailing wage and wants to make it easier to decertify a union.
* Wants to dismantle the Federal Reserve and prepare for a return to the Gold Standard, which would destroy the economy.
* Actually submitted bills to congress that would have disallowed the use of the dollar for the payment of taxes and to pay foreign debts.
I repeat. Ron Paul is an ass. Don't vote for an ass. I could provide links to back all of these up but that would take up a lot of time and you'd never read them. -
Plenty of jobs provide health care (I work for a furniture manufacturer/importer). Yes, self-employed doesn't. But that's the cost of self-employment.
Look, I'd love for Universal Health Care. I'd be able to quit my job ten years earlier. It'll be fantastic. But everyone needs to understand something: Hilary couldn't get a stripped down UHC system going with the Democrats in Congress. The idea of Obama pushing through UHC with at least 40% of congress being Republican is laughable.
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If I'm not mistaken, he's the VERY silly candidate.
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Jesus Christ, how many people just believe everything their local news media edits out of context and feeds them? Since they haven't played the whole clip for so long even I've forgotten what he said exactly but he was talking about some idea of Obama's being a fairy tale. Not Obama's campaign for president being a fairy tale. It's scary how they were able to do that and everyone fell right in line. Personally I can't stand Obama and I can't wait 'til he rips off his face and starts singing "There's got to be a morning after...." From day one I thought he was a plant (or patsy, if you will). He's so phony it's dripping off of him and everyone's falling for it. He reminds me of that bum they had to clean up on "Good Times" when Willona had to meet with the social workers to see if she could adopt Penny. Anyone who really wants change will be voting for Ron Paul. Edwards and Kucinich were good guys but they bailed on us.
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Enjoyed the chat, but I am operating on no sleep in 48 hours (insomnia, I'm thinking about joining Fight Club). And I've lost 5 pounds in the last week (what I've eaten so far today: a couple spoonfuls of yogurt). So yeah, I'm recovering from being sick. Peace out.
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Motherfuck Ron Paul.
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McCain's a Muslim? Ah hell! First Presbyterian then Baptist, then Sunni. Sigh.
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Vote and save
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When one head and two arms aren't enough.
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You're not right, BringingSexyBack!
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Google up why George Carlin doesn't vote.
Like they give a shit about what YOU want after they get elected.
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I didn't realize how many neo-con assholes frequented AintItCool. Particularly you, ccchhhrrriiisssm. Your "logic" is laughable. From your vapid little list of reasons, to your judgement on what a "normal" American is. OOooOO change COULD be bad?! Oh no! Fucking moron.
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Feb 05, 2008 12:00:09 PM CST
UGLY - YES HIS FATHER'S COUSIN'S NANNY'S BOYFRIEND'S MOTHER
by bringingsexyback
read the Koran once.
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when you ask him real questions instead of pitching softballs. Same thing with Hillary. She'll answer the softballs, but will never answer a real question, and then cry because you're picking on her.
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Vote Obama, yo Momma!
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Vote Obama, yo Momma!
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More wreckage than even Cheney or Rumsfeld can dream of.
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Go to their websites and you'll see extensive discussion on the issues. They are 99% the same. I agree with Harry on Obama. He is like Hillary, but he also inspires people to feel confident about being an American again. That IS important. If you have been following the primary so far... you will see massize record breaking turn out of new and young and minority voters. It is amazing. People feeling like they can take control of their own government. It is a wonderful thing. You can call hope and change empty words... say he doesn't talk about issues... it's not true... sure he does... but he also talks about hope and change and that does make the news more because it touches people in a very depressing time in our country. On the issues, come on, Hillary and Obama are near identical. People believe Obama. Because he makes them believe in themselves. Believing in yourself... call it drinking the kool-aid if you want... I call it embracing the core American belief.
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Why don't you post 80 more times, dickhead? "Oh those fucking ULTRA-LIBS!!" Get your head out of Ann Coulter's vagina, fuckface. It's obviously been marinating in there for awhile.
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...You get in a multivehicle car accident. You get picked up by an ambulance, so does Chelsey Clinton. Under UHC, do you end up in the same hospitals? Do you know why Canada tried to make it illegal to pick up private health insurance on top of UHC?? Two tiered health care baby. I lived in Canada in the 90's and their medical facilities existed somewhere in the early 80's. Had to travel back to the states for a competent surgeon. You idiots need to stop looking to a God-Government to solve all of your problems. It usually makes it worse. If any of you morons studied history, you'd realize that. What have 8 years of Republican control given us?? Ask yourself what the f(*&^ 8 years of any president has given us. I mean really! You think the 90's weren't a prelude to the 2000's? Our economy is correcting right now because of all the STUPID borrowing done in the 90's. I'm a "neo-con" and I don't blame Clinton for that (although I know he likes to take credit for a great economy, yay!). You think Hillary will be the choice for 08'? Listen to any of her political speeches and ask yourself this question: Can I really listen to this for 4-8 years? You'll come to the same conclusion that I came to when Al Gore and John (you know I served in Viet Nam) Kerry were running. I could listen to Obama Hussein for a term and couldn't stand McCain's cheeck spitting speech impediment. Got no problem listening to Mitt or Mike. So I guess if you've got any sense you'd like to see Obama or Romney or Huckabee. aaaaaand my lunch is over so bye.
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any bush voter who slates this "gut-feeling" style of casting a ballot better take a long look in the fucking mirror. if asked before the 2000 election what bush had done, you'd have come up with: dodged vietnam while campaigning in oklahoma when he was supposed to be in the air national guard (a gig his dad hooked him up with), went on an undestinguished private sector career of failed oil company ventures and ownership of a baseball team, before electrocuting a lot of people as governor of texas. his verbal gaffes and incurious intellect were ignored when he campaigned for potus because people like his folksy demeanor and down-home honesty and christianity. when elected he enjoyed plummeting approval ratings, an extra-long vacation and then ran around the country on 9/11 before a photo-op showed him standing on top of a pile of rubble with a bullhorn in his mouth like a bad action movie hero. later he crawled under his oval office desk and, for a press corps dinner slideshow, joked "those WMDs gotta be around here somewhere!" the rest gets even worse. so i guess bush voters don't have leg to stand on re: obama charisma criticism. we should however pay attention to their foolishness and learn from it.
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All that sounds pretty awesome. Except when you draw conclusions about destroying the economy and social security. They are already destroyed and need to be fixed not more of the same. Good luck getting your social security. The economy is so good right now anyway...
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I mean, why else would she always keep her legs covered up?
Oh, yeah...CANKLES.
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I'm glad they can finally feel the dems pain. As far as Obama being muslim, it's clear he is not, but don't you think having someone in the oval office who at least has SOME understanding of Islam is a great idea. And just the fact that our leader is called Barak Hussein Obama will make many disenfranchised Muslim youth re-evaluate their ideas about this country. At least the moderates, who are usually the biggest percentage of any population.
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See how easy that is? Hey everyone, TB is just troll paradise, let's not even try to have a real discussion.
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Here in Virginia, our primary is going to be next week, and it's an open primary, meaning you can vote for whichever party's nomination you like. By then, McCain should already have his nomination pretty well wrapped up, so a lot of the Republicans here, it turns out, are planning to vote for Obama in the Democratic primary in order to knock Clinton out of the race. It's a fascinating movement, since it seems more than anything, what people want is Not Clinton.
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the "new and young and minority voters" never vote come election day. Why was bush re-elected if everyone hated him? Where were the young people and minorities then? I'll tell you where, sitting at home, hugging their ideals, and saying their vote doesn't matter. So much for the young voter.
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I'm sorry, but charisma is in fact a desirable quality in a candidate. We need a unifying leader who will rebuild our image with the rest of the world. Hilary and Obama stand for roughly the same things. Universal healthcare is NOT a possibility, not in this large a country. Obama is more reasonable, more measured, and NOT A FUCKING PARTY INSIDER WHO WILL BE A FUCKING PUPPET FOR ANYONE WHO CAN AFFORD HIM. PEOPLE WHO TALK UP CLINTON HAVE AN INVESTMENT IN MAINTAINING THE STATUS QUO, POWER IN THE HANDS OF INSIDERS!!!! TAKE BACK YOUR GOVT, VOTE OBAMA!!!!
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You might not be a racist or a bigot but you're definitely and ignorant fool. Muslims didn't attack this country. Individuals did. Weak willed people with minds of their own who happened to be stupid enough to follow the teachings of a man who twists the beliefs of a religion to suit his violent needs. Horrific acts like that have been performed by Christians and in the name of Christianity but you don't seem to have a problem with a Christian in the White House. Why is that?
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and that worked out rather well. Not.
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The Dems are a divided camp. Even the Kennedys can't decide who endorse. But no matter who gets the Dem's nomination, the other camp will try to ruin their election campaign. Both Obama and Clinton will be feeling the scars for quite some time.
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That's why I never voted for him. For a brief shining moment after 9/11 it looked like things were going to work out. He took us into Afghanistan, who was hoarding Bin Laden, but then he dragged us into Iraq just because he felt like it. I even reluctantly voted for Kerry. I hated his liberal stances on many issues, but at least he didn't bring us into a war we had no business being in.
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Looks like he'd order a club soda instead. Now Hillary, you know she'd drink you under the table.
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Hillary and McCain, she's voting for Hillary... talk about a divided party
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Feb 05, 2008 12:46:29 PM CST
Caninedevotion, don't hate me because I am conservative...
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
...or because I realize that Obama is an inexperience, self-promoting little dick. I care far too much about this country than to put it into the hands of someone as inexperienced (one year in Congress before deciding to run for President) and ULTRA-LIBERAL as Barack Hussein Obama. Get a job, Hippie! Barack's plan to TAX THE HELL out of middle class people with college diploma's isn't going to provide you more welfare! Right now, I am not yet middle class. If Barack has his way, I might never want to be! McCain/Condi in 2008!!!
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Coulter and Limbaugh think they represent the whole party. They represent only themselves. There are more moderate and left-leaning republicans than there are arch-conservatives of their ilk. Frankly, I'd love for those shitheads to drop out of the party altogether.
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...and those who will agree to vote for them. Besides, Obama goes both ways -- for the ultra-liberal leaders of the Democratic Party and for an unconditional surrender to the Terrorists! Is it no wonder that the terrorists are praying to Allah that Barack Hussein Obama wins the nomination?!?
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That said, Osama-er-Oroma-er-Obama should be the Democratic nominee, unless you really want to be listening to Hillary nagging you for the next 8 years. Another pop question: If you could send in more money to the government by checking a box on your tax return (you know, so they could do more great work with it), would you?
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Romney is the kind of man you want to have a caffeine-free diet Pepsi with!
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Feb 05, 2008 12:53:27 PM CST
9 out of 10 terrorists prefer Barack Hussein Obama!
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
While the other one out of ten prefer Hillary's "politics of hope." McCain/Condi in 2008! Give 'em Hell, Johnny! Give those terrorist bastards and liberal pussies Hell!
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http://tinyurl.com/2l6omw. I will whore my vote to whichever candidate gets me more Lost, 24 and BSG!
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Feb 05, 2008 12:54:25 PM CST
I have an illustrated childrens biography of Charles Darwin...
by flickapoo
...coming out next year. If some of you flaming right wingers (not that there is anything wrong with that) could protest and try to get it banned I would sell far more copies. Maybe get Bill O'Riley or someone to say that it's pro atheism pro science and anti American? I would really appreciate it...you can't buy publicity like that.
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We all know how that turned out. Well, at least this site isn't psycho-liberal like those jerks at CHUD. Also, as someone said earlier, change is not necessarily a good thing. If someone said that he was for changing the American flag to a giant picture of an armadillo, that would be change too. Also, I don't vote for a candidate based on "charisma." Anyone who does vote for someone based on such a thing needs to reevaluate themselves because they are extremely shallow. Vote for somebody who you agree with on the issues, please.
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I stand corrected!
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i grew up in Sacramento when Limbaugh was just a local AM talk-jock. he was a blowhard deuschebag back then as well. bill hicks had a great line about limbaugh, don't remember it verbatim - something along the lines of Reagan took a shit and out came Limbaugh i'm going out on a limb and guess ccchhhrrriiisssm is a 'ditto head'. they like to use Obamas full name in hopes people will subconsiuosly connect him to Sadam and Osama...
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Feb 05, 2008 1:00:13 PM CST
Democrats want to move the White House to San Francisco...
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
...and let the destruction of America begin! Well, maybe not. But they will try their best to force the "morality" of San Francisco to become the "norm" for the rest of America. DemocRATs care more about saving the whales than they do saving unborn babies. What does Barack know about being black? He is a Harvard sell out, with nothing in common with the rest of us! Do you hear that? Whhoooooosh! It is the sound of millions of minorities leaving the DemocRATic Party because they realize that the DemocRATic Party does not represent our traditions, values or beliefs! Ms. Pelosi, promises of more welfare benefits just don't cut it anymore!
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Feb 05, 2008 1:01:41 PM CST
Barak Obama. The name alone gives him zero cred with America.
by knowthyself
Really how come no one has mentioned this? Nobody is going to vote for someone that sounds like Osama's cousin. Let alone Saddam's half brother.
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Uh...no. I just realize that Barack Hussein Obama (that IS his name) is just another inexperienced, ultra-liberal little dick. Try to keep the HATE and STEREOTYPING to a minimum, k? McCain/Condi in 2008!!!
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...he enjoys all hype and no substance.
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I'll run in 2012 for you :)
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...no matter how he tries to find a similarity! Rather, Barack Obama is more like an inexperienced little rich dick who likes to play the race card while sissy fighting with the likes of Hillary Clinton and her husband. Barack is no Reagan, and Hillary is no Bill! McCain/Condi in 2008! Heck, I would even take Romney over either Hussein Obama or Rodham Clinton!
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Someone else said 'Hitler was charismatic too.' As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
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Would those names make all you idiots happier? How does it feel knowing you're a drooling mouth breathing that can't have an original thought unless someone like Limbaugh screams it into your hollow skull?
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In West Virginia, they do a convention-style awarding of delegates. No one won the first round, but Ron Paul was eliminated first.
He was at the convention stumping for himself (along with Hucks and Romns), but McCain wasn't. But McCain moved on, and Paul didn't. In Basketball terms, Paul got outscored by McCain-DNP -
Everyone knows David Beatinwife would never accept the VP spot
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...who cares? They don't represent their parties any more than you or I. They don't represent us any more than FoxNews represents the Republicans or CNN/ABC/NBC/CBS/MSNBC/New York Times/Washington Post/ most Hollywood executives represent the Democratic Party, right?
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Film Actors Guild.
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all that bush-bot ever talks about is war and military service? While Iraq and the murdering of thousands at bush/cheney's hands is important, this country is falling apart from the inside. billary can't beat mcbane and Obama inspires me to be an American ...romney is right out
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...because I would rather vote for a dead senile Reagan than a living ultra-liberal activist schmucks like Hillary or Obama!
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McCain won't give anyone hell. When he was in Veitnam he got caught!
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I didn't say I hated you, shitbag. I said your logic is bankrupt and you have been marinating your head in Ann Coulter's vagina. Saying that Obama plays the race card, when he so clearly doesn't, is a form of racism. Your bullshit "what terrorists want is a democrat in office" anecdotes would be hilarious if you weren't serious.
I don't hate you, ccchhhrrriiisssm. I would just punch your nose through your empty fucking head if I had the pleasure of hearing your brilliant little witticisms in person. I suppose that would also entail punching Ann Coulter in the pussy, so double win there. Eat shit, you fucking chooch. No one wants to hear your conservative-pundit-inspired crap. You're mediocre. Fuck you and everyone that looks like you.
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If you think us Dems are divided, you should look at the Republican side. Limbaugh and Coulter have both entertained the idea of voting either for a Democrat or abstaining from voting for the Republicans because they are just that disgusted with their own party right now. It's historic. Limbaugh and Coulter, for whom formerly no lie was ever too big, no slander too egregious, as long as it stood to keep the GOP in power. As for the Democrats, believe it or not, since Edwards dropped out things have actually gotten a lot more civil.
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I'll be there to stand by my Native American brothers in order to solidify their hold on Indian gaming thus helping them to gain financial stability and to help other tribes gain in number so that one day they can once again enjoy a better quality of life, help the children get a good education, and overall help a community which has wrongfully been forced into poverty. My hope is that one day they can regain that which was lost but until then, I will be there when I'm needed.
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...terrorists to never give up! What a deceitful, inexperienced little rich prick! McCain served this nation with HONOR, while all of those LIBERAL HIPPIES were calling him a "baby killer." He endured 5 1/2 years of torture in a Prisoner of War camp known as the "Hanoi Hilton." Barack? He endured working as a lawyer for Rezko for 5 years in order to keep the government from shutting down his slum houses in Chicago! Barack Hussein Obama is not experienced, sincere or worthy to preside over the office of President of the United States! His ultra-liberal activism makes him unfit to serve as Commander and Chief!
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First of all, I thank anyone on here that can debate about something so important in any kind of mature manner. Yeah, my name is GingerBallz (Flight of the Conchords reference in case you didn't know), and I LOVE to joke around, but I really want a change in this country.
crth (sorry, I'm new here and can't find your post again to get your name right), I'm not saying anything like that about Bush. I am saying that he is not the kind of leader I want for my free country. His priorities and values only benefit a select few ( and I just have to say I think he's the worst speaker I've ever heard. It's like having a sixth-grader with a vocabulary of 50-cent words he doesn't understand trying to insert them where he wrongly thinks they should be). And no, I don't think he did that in 9 months by himself. I was just saying that was the instigator for my venture into political curiosity and involvement.
As for those of you who keep saying "Obama isn't an American name"... and ridiculousness of that nature, I have news for you. We're a nation of immigrants and minorities. Personally, I like this country because we're not so homogenized. And after the past administration, the last thing I want is for some pompous representative of a way-too-selfish and repressive minority (ahem, the American white male, and before anyone jumps on me for saying that, I am one myself) to be leading the many who are not so privileged. -
First of all, I thank anyone on here that can debate about something so important in any kind of mature manner. Yeah, my name is GingerBallz (Flight of the Conchords reference in case you didn't know), and I LOVE to joke around, but I really want a change in this country.
crth (sorry, I'm new here and can't find your post again to get your name right), I'm not saying anything like that about Bush. I am saying that he is not the kind of leader I want for my free country. His priorities and values only benefit a select few ( and I just have to say I think he's the worst speaker I've ever heard. It's like having a sixth-grader with a vocabulary of 50-cent words he doesn't understand trying to insert them where he wrongly thinks they should be). And no, I don't think he did that in 9 months by himself. I was just saying that was the instigator for my venture into political curiosity and involvement.
As for those of you who keep saying "Obama isn't an American name"... and ridiculousness of that nature, I have news for you. We're a nation of immigrants and minorities. Personally, I like this country because we're not so homogenized. And after the past administration, the last thing I want is for some pompous representative of a way-too-selfish and repressive minority (ahem, the American white male, and before anyone jumps on me for saying that, I am one myself) to be leading the many who are not so privileged. -
...on a movie site. What do you think will happen to your violent and delightfully bloody video games if the Christian Right takes over? Seriously, think about your own self interest...if they have their way you will be registered as a sex offender for putting "Slave Girls of the S.S." or any of Harry's other great sweaty titty titles on your NetFlix cue. Believe me, I grew up there...the Christian Right wants to take away your God of War.
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Again, why would being taken prisoner in Vietnam be a good quality in a president?
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All I can think of is the Simpsons episode with the Alliens. "What are you going to do, it's a TWO PARTY SYSTEM" And Parot throws his hat. We are all F'ed no matter who gets elected. Sad really. None of them are going to fix a thing, democrat or republican. WHY?!? They make too much $$$ with the f'ed up system we live in.
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...is that Barack Hussein Obama's dick in your mouth? Or is that Hillary's? One can never be too certain. Thank you for your anti-conservative bigotry that would even cause you to LIE for your liberal candidates! The Democratic Party's "politics of hate" have been highly successful in the past. Let's just hope that people will see through the LIES and realize what really matters in this election! BIGOTRY & HATE truly are DEMOCRATIC PARTY values! *sigh*
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Cutting a promo?
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Most of the conservatives on this site are more of the libertarian, pro-big business neocon foreign policy stripe. They like to pretend, fools that they are, that the religious right didn't buy out the Republican party under their hagiographied messiah Ronald Reagan twenty years ago.
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neopukes like you deserve each other ...mcbane would embarrass us anywhere he goes. He's got a historic temper and would bitchslap the first sheik he met for lunch over the raspberry vinaigrette. neopukes like you are the testicular cancer on our American dream ...
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He totally does! I've noticed that too
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I have no idea what that means
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He totally does! I've noticed that too
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By the way, Reagan was a horrible President.
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it's all you can do this election. you lost congress and you're losing the executive this fall. you can bitch about who's right and who's wrong... won't change a thing. either a black man or a woman is going to be the commander in chief. but since they are democrats after all, you will still have the right to bitch all you want. they don't have a problem with free speak like you guys do.
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I miss the jowls.
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i'm glad someone else noticed that. He's talked about like he's Fucking FDR or someshit.
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i'm glad someone else noticed that. He's talked about like he's Fucking FDR or someshit.
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Someone already posted it, but read it again and let it sink in. He proudly stated we would be in Iraq for 100 years, and when asked about Iran, took the moment, awkwardly, to channel an eight year old and sing "bomb Iran" (to the tune of the Beach Boys' Barbara Ann). He is an idiot and a neoconservative any-war-to-protect-Israel madman. Like W? You'll love McCain.
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Are you surprised that a conservative would be on a movie website? Gulp ... are you even more surprised to find out that a poor but educated black man like myself would NOT want to vote for a ULTRA-LIBERAL candidate like Obama or Hillary? Why is it in your nature to stereotype? I wouldn't vote for Hillary or Obama -- even if they were the only two people running! They are both BAD FOR AMERICA! Hillary is a insincere, power-hungry hate-monger and Obama is the Michael Jackson of ultra-liberal ideas (like tax and spend)! McCain (or even Romney) are the only safe bets for America!
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You just know the aliens outside of Vega are going to get screwed.
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He's the reason that we've got Social FUCKING Security, so that stupid motherfuckers that don't know how to save money can be taken care of. Sorry, but DO NOT rag on Reagan. You idiots think Jimmy Carter could've dismantled the Soviet machine?
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Hagiography is the posthumous "Sainting" of an individual, where they are apocryphally given a near-godly persona, and all flaws are swept under the rug.
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I thought it was a Messiah in the Alexander Haig mode.
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...and worship at the feet of Hillary's lonely vagina! They would crucify George Bush, but suck the cock of an inexperienced fool like Barack Hussein Obama. Keep yelling "SURRENDER!" haters! Your HATE for anyone else is shining through! Al Gore (your messiah) invented the POLITICS OF HATE. Or was that Hillary? Or Kerry? Or Pelosi? Or Hussein Obama?
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Yeah, FDR sucked so bad he got us out of the great depression you fucking idiot. And the soviets dismantled themselves
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except for that whole getting-us-out-of-the-Great-Depression thing.
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...but the Christian right was just barely getting started then...now they think they own the country. Tipper Gore was just one nag with too much time on her hands...these people are ORGANIZED. I'm talking about my own extended family here...I love them, but they absolutely would LOVE to get into your living room (not to mention bedroom) and tell you what you can or can't watch...
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"He's the reason that we've got Social FUCKING Security, so that stupid motherfuckers that don't know how to save money can be taken care of."
Hello, this is a movie and entertainment website. How many artists do you know who are provided with IRA's or another sort of retirement plan. I don't do anything for the money, I just want to make art that makes people think and be happy. I hope someone can somehow help me when I continue being broke well into my elderly age.
And Reaganomics single-handedly fucked an entire continent's economy for the next century (South America) and brought our closest neighbors (formerly America-friendly under FDR's Good Neighbor policy) under a anti-American hypnosis with strong leaders like Hugo Chavez leading a revolt against imperical dominance in his country. Way to give us more enemies Reagan, just like a Republican (ahem....Bush... ahem...) -
...but that would make more San Francisco liberals inclined to vote for her. They would like to see that sort of BONDAGE in the White House!
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...before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes.....then, when you do judge him you will be a mile away. and you will have his shoes.
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The soviets did dismantle themselves, Reagan just stepped in to claim all the credit. I laugh every time I think of the "Mr. Gorbachov, tear down this wall" line he gave. Like Gorbie quaked under the fear of the Gipper, and immediately dispatched his henchmen to start dismantling the wall.
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Feb 05, 2008 1:44:46 PM CST
Oh yeah, I forgot about all of Bush's experience before he got e
by gingerballz
If only Barack Obama had spent all of that time he took exceeding in law studies at Harvard, living and studying in the middle east, battling for his mother's health care, and governing Illinois sniffing coke and riding his daddy's political coattails you would probably like him a lot more...
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"What is all this about a Muslim in the White House? There are no Muslims on the ticket"
There are no Americans on the ticket either, except Ron Paul.
But thats ok, todays average American just needs somebody that looks good on TV. Who needs a "good track record" or "experience", anyways?
What good would it do to investigate the candidates and see what allegiances they have with groups whose interests run against the will of the American people?
"You are free....to do as we tell you...."
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"What is all this about a Muslim in the White House? There are no Muslims on the ticket"
There are no Americans on the ticket either, except Ron Paul.
But thats ok, todays average American just needs somebody that looks good on TV. Who needs a "good track record" or "experience", anyways?
What good would it do to investigate the candidates and see what allegiances they have with groups whose interests run against the will of the American people?
"You are free....to do as we tell you...."
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Are you surprised that a low income, intelligent black man like myself can see through the lies and cheap rhetoric of people like Hillary Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama? Open your eyes, bro! The truth can be quite exhilarating! McCain/Condi in 2008 - or - Romney/Condi in 2008!
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i am aware that is his name. my point is that both sides (Ultra-liberal -fetus hating- pot smoking - whale hugging hippy leftwings, and neocon-corporate cocksucking- haliburton pocket lining- fact fudging- war mongering rightwings) have a list of key words and phrases that they LOVE LOVE LOVE to regurgitate throughout their party and the media in the hopes that their followers who base their opinions on soundbites and catch phrases won't take the time to research the facts or issues and make an informed decision I really don't give a shit who anyone is voting for, as long as they have taken the time to research the issues they feel are important to them as well as researching the candidates view on those issues. what is most amusing to me is how people in this talkback think they are going to change somebodys mind. you've got a better chance of changing someones mind about Ghost Rider being a piece of shit movie. i mean for Gods sake, Carville and Matalin are complete opposite sides of the political spectrum and they are married fuck buddies (mental pic...eww)
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This is SO confusing!
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Not perfect, but the only candidate that will keep us in Iraq who isn't a religious whacko.
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Yes, FDR helped some, but here's the problem: the economy went into recession again in 1938 (GDP dropped to $86.1 billion). And FDR never got the country back to pre-crash numbers (1926: $96.9, 1927: $95.5, 1928: $97.4, 1929: $103.6) until Hitler went into Poland (1937: $91.9, 1938: $86.1, 1939: $92.2, 1940: $101.4, 1941: $126.7). Now, when you adjust for inflation, the case for FDR looks a little better, but you're still not seeing a significant improvement in his first term. And in either case, things look a lot better once we had started lending our hoses to the neighbor's house which was on fire. (Can you imagine if W tried to pull that off? The media/etc would've had his head on a stick)
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"Wait, am I supposed to vote for HD DVD or Blu Ray?
This is SO confusing!" - LOL
"McCain
by tompiltoff
Not perfect, but the only candidate that will keep us in Iraq who isn't a religious whacko." - Why the HELL would we ever want to stay in Iraq? -
"Public schools - you can't mention Jesus to the kids, but you'd better teach them about safe sex in 3rd grade."
I have no problem with that at all. Religious views have no place in a childs life before they're old enough to make their own decision, otherwise it's just brainwashing. Considering girls are getting pregnant at the age of 11 any more, Learning about the basic functions of their bodies as early as possible and prevention makes perfect sense. -
Were it not for our defense expenditures, the USSR would never have bankrupt themselves attempting to keep up with us.
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The Moral Majority movement (the proto-religious right) pre-dated Tipper.
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"Are you surprised that a conservative would be on a movie website?....McCain (or even Romney) are the only safe bets for America!"
You say theres a conservative on the talk back? Where? And please define "safe". "Safe in the hands of the CFR", maybe?
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I can't, in good consciuous, vote for a Romulan...
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Keep on. That will ensure Democratic Victory!
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...I was talking specifically about entertainment censorship...this being a movie site and all. Both sides can be busybodies...I have just had enough of Republican busybodies for a while. If the Democrats manage to fix heal care I will love them for at least two years...then they will probably start to bug me too...
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...while Hillary was getting rich from Whitewater, Obama was getting rich from protecting Rezko's ghetto slums from the authorities. A Chicago reporter even "dared" him to spend the night in one of those crime-infested slum neighborhoods, but Obama declined. He much preferred the warmth of his condo purchased by the money he received from being a rich, insincere trial laywer. So much for Obama's "Harvard" education! It looks like he missed quite a few of his Legal Ethics classes. Is it no wonder that he now only PRETENDS to understand the plight of typical African Americans? The cure for America is not in Hillary or Obama's "politics of destruction." The cure for America is in the hope of what is good and decent. Neither Hillary nor Obama understand that definition. Believe me, if Obama wins the Democratic nomination, all of his dirty laundry of the past will come to light! He will blame Republicans for displaying his past, preferring to rely on his 1 year of experience in Congress.
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Why do I have to pay for you because you chose to follow a path that wouldn't allow you to be financially sound? Why am I responsible for YOU?
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What's the matter, are you afraid of an INTELLIGENT BLACK WOMAN? At least Condi doesn't throw in her lot with a political party that has little in common with the culture of her race.
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It'll be ... Bill Clinton! Heh. That'd be kind of funny.
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And by the way, that reckless spending Reagan did is a big part of the deficit we're still trying to pay off, it's still hardly the heroic, "single-handedly dismantled the soviet union" mythos he's credited for. Also, I'm sure a great many economists would strongly make the argument that military spending by the soviets only sped their demise, as the very nature of a command and control economy like theirs was destined for ruin.
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Who says Obama can't unite the country?
Especially when Hillary's idea of "change" is taking us back to that special time of Whitewatergate and when her hubby was defining the word "is" while getting oral from a chubby because of the vast, right-wing conspiracy.
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You don't have to. We could just live in a virtually culture-less society in which entertainment comes not in the form of well-thought-out, refined art, but instead in an un-fulfilling cesspool of cheap thrills and sensual pacifiers. Oh wait, I'm sorry, have I not turned on the television recently?
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...just that they were not the machine that they are now...
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It means she knew damn well she was lying about aluminum tubes and Saddam's mythical nuclear ambitions, but did it anyway. She's amoral, and when you saddle a complete lack of awareness of right and wrong with intelligence, you get something truly scary.
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I think it is nothing short of fantastic when people say they are going to vote for this or that candidate because of an inspiring speech. The last I checked, it is called politics, and any good politician can give an inspiring speech about change. I'm still waiting on my platform to be pushed by a candidate...A flat tax(why should a hard working person be forced to pay a higher percentage of taxes just because they are successful), major welfare reform(i.e. if you aren't disabled in some way you must be working to get benefits...no more 3rd generation welfare crap because you are too good to work), Bureaucracy cut in half(our government was set up so there would be minimal govt interference in your daily lives...besides that, look at the cost of it all),term limits for the House and Senate(being a representative of your people was meant to be a duty, not a career), and lastly for California to be allowed to break away from the Union and form their own country(that way things that come out of LA are no longer considered National news). Since none of the candidates are backing my reasonable platform, I think I will go with the safe bet of McCain. Hillary;s desire for power scares me, Obama is spitting out what he thinks people want to hear and deep down, something about him just doesn't seem right.
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...Barack Hussein Obama was busy "uniting" the ghetto slums of Chicago for "Rezko the Syrian."
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Hillary Rodham Clinton or Barack Hussein Obama?
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We get it, Hillary and Obama are evil and want America to be destroyed by terrorists. Does this argumentative tact, ever actually work on anyone? Or are you the guy that sits on the park bench and yells at passing cars?
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...this debate has been pretty interesting, but you sound like 12 year old arguing for his favorite game console. You shame yourself and your family.
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I agree. Kindly shut up.
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if you are happy with the way things are now (and our current administration) vote for Romney - more of the same - if you want change and a clean slate vote for Obama - McCain is the best hope right now for the republicans - and assholes like rush limbaugh spend immeasurable ammounts of energy slandering him - and in effect swaying republican voters - Hilary was good for new york, but nows not the right time (considering our world situation) for a woman president (that gets teary eyed over her long struggle to get back in the white house) - i voted for Bill twice - best pres weve had - but their time is gone, they had 8 years - i want a new guy with no baggage and whos not shackled to big industry (oil, corn growers, weapons manufacturers etc.) and their lobbyists - i bet a good chunk of Hilary supporters are really voting for Bill (again) - idiots
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By art, do you mean like the guy that peed in a jar and put a crucifix in it? I have to pay for THAT?
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"We could just live in a virtually culture-less society in which entertainment comes not in the form of well-thought-out, refined art, but instead in an un-fulfilling cesspool of cheap thrills and sensual pacifiers" sounds like someone needs to go see RAMBO!
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he was referring specifically to one statement that obama made. he was saying that one claim obama had made was a fairy tale. but the media..especially the clinton hating fox network have spun it so that it appeared that bill clinton was referring to obama as a whole to be a fairy tale. when he didn't. the media have been more apalling than usual on this election so far. its fucking disgusting....by the way I am a obama guy as well but holy shit I feel sorry for hillary...she gets a little teary...she didnl;t even cry she just got a little emotional and she was either faking it or it proves she is to weak to lead...so when she is being tough shes cold emotionless and harsh when she cries shes a fake or a whimp. she can;t win.romney the robot from forbidden planet cries and its hardly mentioned. but in all seriousness obama has to be the nominee. I think he will be unbeatable up against romnet or mccain. it will highlight mccaisn age and romeny will come across as the fucking statue that he is. the reason the cons want romney in so bad is they can see how easily pushed around he will be. its obvious
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if I had a condo to go home to. Even if some stupid ass reporter 'double dog dared' me to. I'm vehemently opposed to Obama, but what the fuck does that have to do with anything???
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You like him because he looks nice and inspires you? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pathetic. Democrats are so full of shit. And so is John McCain, so odds are I won't be voting. Hey Harry, how about voting on the issues and not who gives you special feelings inside?
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1. I am for lower taxes.
2. I believe that all human life is precious (including the lives of unborn babies) and abortion should be rare.
3. I believe that EXPERIENCE MATTERS. Hillary simply wanted power, so she moved to a city that was silly enough to elect an outsider because she was liberal. Obama served less than a year in Congress before deciding to run for President. McCain served 20 years in the military (5 1/2 year being tortured as a prisoner of war), 5 years in the House of Representatives and 21 years in the Senate. Romney earned his MBA and Law Degree from Harvard and then became a successful businessman. He successfully took over the administration of the 2002 Winter Olympics (after scandals in the USOC) and made them quite profitable. He was elected as a Republican Governor in an extremely liberal state (Massachussetts).
4. I believe in a strong military and victory in the Middle East, rather than the "we are defeated" rhetoric that spews from Hillary and Obama's mouths.
5. I believe in free speech. However, I do not believe that "free speech" should extend to pornography or smut that is commericially peddled to children over the internet or airwaves (while liberals try to argue that it is protected free speech).
6. I believe that severe crimes should be severely punished.
7. I believe that the nation is at war with Islamic Fundamentalists who will not declare a truce until the world is under the control of fundamentalist Islamic control.
8. Obama is an insincere little dick. ,/p.
9. Hillary is an insincere little dick too.
10. I believe that both Hillary and Obama are wrong for America. The "change" that they want is not a "change" in the right direction. They want a "change" in the WRONG direction!
'Nuff said!
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Because if McCain gets his way, we'll stay in Iraq for 100 years, start new wars with Iran and China, and to help bring it all about, he'll probably have no alternative but to spend a bunch of our hard-earned tax dollars and probably bring back the draft. GO HUCKABEE!
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...they want every conservative or African American with a brain to shut up unless they agree with their liberal ideology or social views. Wouldn't it be nice if the liberal pundits would SHUT UP?
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"By art, do you mean like the guy that peed in a jar and put a crucifix in it? I have to pay for THAT?"
-No, not necessarily. I'm just saying, at least to me, art is precious. It is the culmination of the human existence when done right. No it's not so financially stable career as say an accountant or a doctor, but I think just as much needed and therefore should be encouraged and supported. -
woah... sad day.
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"You like him because he looks nice and inspires you?"
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Feb 05, 2008 2:25:17 PM CST
Harry: Monica Lewinsky gave Bill a "warm feeling inside."
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Should Bill Clinton vote for Monica? Then why not use our intelligence instead of our "warm feelings" when we vote?
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Yes, he sounds (and there's a passing resemblence) exactly like the Rock. I've thought that for years and never heard anyone else say it.
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Feb 05, 2008 2:28:03 PM CST
PAGING CCHHRRIISSMM ... PLEASE REPORT FOR YOUR DAILY MEDS
by bringingsexyback
You are a raging loon. You need to try Scientology maybe that'll work out for ya.
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dunno that fellow.
Clinton... would wrup up the decade with some simetricity.. you know: Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton... and another saucy scandal.
Why, oh why didn't you super Gore run for it? would have made Captain Planet eat his shorts!
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Feb 05, 2008 2:28:30 PM CST
You guys should just stay home and watch wrestling...seriously.
by j-bot
All the logic and way of thinking Abin sir and ccchhhiii..have demonstrated is what got us Bush two term in row. You guys will elect whoever can screw you in the ass the hardest and then go begging for more. When wanted to succeed from the union we should have let them. Then our biggest problem would be dealing with illegal hick immigrants.
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actually, Monica had the warm feeling... on the inside of her mouth.... I was for Edwards cause he has nice hair....
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What AA with a brain is not a liberal and what liberal pundits?? Seriously. Moyers and Olberman (who I would hardly call liberal, but I am sure he appears that way to most neocon zombies) are about the only ones I can think of and the former just has a quiet little show on PBS that I don't know anyone else who watches. However, the conservatives have braindead RNC parrots lisk Limbaugh and Hannity that are quite vocal.
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*the south* oops
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I never said that Barack Hussein Obama or Hillary Clinton want America to be "destroyed by terrorists." I simply said that these to vindictive little dicks aren't experienced enough to handle the office of COMMANDER IN CHIEF and have no real plan for ANYTHING. They just have a lot of nice, sounding rhetoric of HATE BUSH. They make it sound like conservatives are evil. What a twist, huh? They want to make conservatives sound evil when they are just repressive little dicks!
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... believes in angels, thinks evolution is liberal propaganda, thinks science is the tool of satan, thinks global warming and its causes are myths created by liberal scientists in order to get bigger grants, thinks complete and unfettered access to all firearms is a god given right and a necessity in modern society, believes adam and eve really exsisted and were white and very attractive, loves big obnoxious off road vehicles but rarely takes them off road, thinks the economy is just fine, thinks Iraq attacked us thus starting the war, loves god, church and the scripture but secretly masturbates and has casual and premarital sex like everyone else, hates him/herself for being gay (the gay ones anyway), thinks men are smarter than women, thinks women complain too much about unequal pay, loved the movie "wild hogs", eats too much fast food, thinks the guys busted on "to catch a predator" were framed, doesnt mind having his/her phones tapped... am i stereotyping?
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I thought he dropped out. At least scumbag Giuliani's gone back to fucking his whore fulltime.
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...are not liberal enough to ultra-liberals. But to the rest of America, their true liberal colors shine through! As for "AA's withh a brain," let me remind you that over 10% of African American voters don't believe the LIES told by the DemocRATic Party! And nearly 60% of AAs do not vote. Only those who are gullible and uneducated enough to believe the garbage spoon fed by DemocRATs (like Rev's Al and Jesse, along with Nancy Pelosi or Obama) will vote for a DemocRAT. The rest of us low income African Americans will vote our conscience. But that is a scary thing to liberals like you, isn't it?
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... right this very moment
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Fuck me. You are totally bullshitting.
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Can you present one paper in which you can substantiate your sinister claim that Bush "had no clue about al-quida before he entered office?" I didn't think so, little dick. It's funny when your "logic" is turned back on your own statement, isn't it?
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Haha love watching the wingnuts implode, just like our friend Chrism is doing raht heah.
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What's wrong? Have you never seen a brother who doesn't "go with the flow" of political indoctrination? Damn! No wonder you people are so easily beguiled by the ultra-liberal dicks controlling the DemocRATic Party!
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Do you want me to "prove" that I am black? Would you like a photo or would you like me to just pull down by pants and show you the length of my hidden bling bling? Jeez, you liberals are a hateful and gullible breed!
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We are a nation of mental slaves. The fact that we don't even CONSIDER anyone other than the empty suits that the party bigwigs and the mainstream press parade in front of us, illustrates this. How the hell are idiots like Bill Clinton and George W. Bush even *seriously* considered competent enough to be President, let alone get elected? What have we gotten from them but a Constitution in shreds, meaningless wars that destroy productive lives, an economy down the tubes, and a working class that's no longer able to make ends meet. HOW the F*** can we POSSIBLY trust ANYTHING that these rat bastards tell us?! WHY should we have to "choose" between them? American politics is being told to pick between two separate cages of howler monkeys that are throwing handfuls of dung at each other. Unless you are absolutely, beyond all doubt, convinced of a candidate's worthiness to earnestly serve you in office, do yourself a favor and don't bother to vote today if you're in one of the primary states. Save your gas and money. Because the fact of the matter is, America is so F'ed-up by this point that the outcome of the election won't make any difference. And before anyone accuses me of apathy or some crap like that: I've not only been registered to vote for most of my life, I've actually run for public office before. Didn't win but like McMurphy said in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest: "At least I TRIED, didn't I?" Well believe me, I've tried. And until we as a people are READY to be serious and not fall for this damned dog and pony show, there's no use trying anymore at all. Let this country fall into ruin: maybe *then* a BETTER and more serious people will rise from the ashes and turn this country into something like the Founders intended.
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Feb 05, 2008 2:51:46 PM CST
CHRISM I'M GONNA BEAT SOME SENSE INTO YOUR BLACK ASS
by bringingsexyback
You're the Larry Craig of black people.
Then again we all know you're a douchey honkey just playing around. It's okay for a laugh. -
judging by your comments today you don't get to call yourself a brother!
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"I believe that the nation is at war with Islamic Fundamentalists who will not declare a truce until the world is under the control of fundamentalist Islamic control."
Thats not really a truce is it? Theres a bigger threat to this country, one that hides behind the "threat" of muslims (nineteen cave dwellers didnt shut down NORAD on september 11th. No more than two planes knock down three buildings).
Yeah, its like that. How about the fact that Juan 'open borders' McCain and Romney are both CFR? That doesnt bother you? Didnt even make the list? You probably dont believe in the CFR, do you? If it actually existed, they wouldve told you about it on the O'Reilly Factor, right?
Not knocking you pal, you seem to really care America. You are, however, being misled into supporting traitors.
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Dude, are you seriously challenging my race? You really ARE brainwashed by the liberal dicks leading the Democratic Party, aren't you?!? So you think that all African American folk will vote for Hillary Clinton or Barack Hussein Obama? Wow, and I just thought that your kind of brainwashed crackheads existed in fairy tales! Well, let me be the first to "burst your bubble." Not all African Americans buy into the crap spewing from Hillary or Obama's ass. Some of us are keenly aware of what poison is in that shit! McCain/Condi or Romney/Condi in 2008!!! ANYBODY but Hillary or Obama!!!
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Is Elvira running?
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"At least scumbag Giuliani's gone back to fucking his whore fulltime." - or dressing up like one.........
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"Not all African Americans buy into the crap spewing from Hillary or Obama's ass. Some of us are keenly aware of what poison is in that shit!
McCain/Condi or Romney/Condi in 2008!!! ANYBODY but Hillary or Obama!!!"
Keenly aware? How did Condi, McCain, or Romney get past you then? Good job on catching the first two, though.
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Yeah they "failed" to protect America, right? They were "busy"? Only a boldface cockmaster would think that.
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Just a note about Obama's experience:
He has more experience as an elected official, actually holding a public office, than Hillary does. Quite a bit more.
So if experience is a major criteria, then you'd have to mark that one AGAINST Hillary.
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he came out dressed like a real gangsta and then some talkinga bout it all which i forget, then they showed the poll numbers and he got 0% and said 'well so much for that if people dont understand then i cant do anything about it' what a fucked up dream.
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Wow, so you would hate me because I don't agree with you politically? Is this a reflection of Obama's attempt to "unite?" Forgive me while I go and puke out that sort of silly notion! Why is it that people feel the privilege to mock someone's race simply because they disagree with them politically? Damn, you liberal brainwashed masses are a hateful breed!
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Man, you really need to stop reading between the lines quite so much. First of all, your repeated use of the term DemocRAT kinda labels you as someone who really, really likes his own dogma. Are you kidding? Seriously... oooo, the Democrats are all dirty rats! See, 'cause it has RAT right there in the name... get it? If this is an example of your intellectual ability, it leaves much to be desired. Second, your penchant for turning this into one big race argument is really lame. Seriously, so what? Even if you ARE black, you can't prove it on a nameless, faceless talkback board, which leaves you only the issues to argue, which it seems you can't do. Oh well.
And, by the way, the whole "60% of AA's don't vote" statistic is both nothing to be proud of, and contrary to AA's interests... seeing as how the Latino vote could very well sway the election this year, seems to me that they (Latinos) have learned the lesson that AA's should have learned when they got the vote. You want change, vote. You want a voice, vote. ccchhhrrriiisssm, you ought to be out there encouraging everyone who will listen to do so. It seems that this would be a far better use of your vitriol.
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When people start writing "democRATic" I see it as time to move along to a different thread, because the childish idiots have come to roost.
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"What a twist, huh? They want to make conservatives sound evil when they are just repressive little dicks!"- i agree, conservitives are just repressive little dicks...
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No doubt. If I were a liberal, I would vote for Obama over Hillary. Since I am not brainwashed by the liberal etremists who control the Democratic Party and influence the media, I will vote for NEITHER Obama or Hillary.
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You're right! I will do EVERYTHING in my power to go out and influence African Americans to vote AGAINST the extremism of the Democratic Party! Their liberal social views and political ideology are completely opposed to the needs of African Americans -- except for those whipping boys and uncle tom's (like Revs Jesse and Al, or Barack) who are tossed a few bones now and then from the likes of Nancy Pelosi.
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wow thanks for calling me out on a collossal blunder. Garnish for garner is a real doozy. I chalk it up to typing over 128 wpm and sometimes, your brain 'thinks' a word, and your fingers for some reason, don't get a clear signal and what you wind up with is an entirely different worm.
know what i mean? ;P
having said that, On Stephanaouploulous' Sunday show (i have know idea how his name is spelled so as with any Greek name, when in doubt, throw in another 'ou') he grilled her 3 times in a row about what the penalties would be for someone who refused to sign up on her mandated and required universal healthcare. Each time she skirted and said, 'this isn't about enforcement, its about providing healthcare to every American.' Stephanapizinski (in case he's Polish) repeatedly asked, "how would you penalize those who fail to comply? would you GARNER (thanks!) wages?" Hilary then said, "George thats not what the plan is about. Probably we'd use the tax code or something along those lines, but the point is that every American should have healthcare."
so Hilary's big plan to provide us all with federally mandated, REQUIRED healthcare, is to add its cost as an additional fee to our taxes, and the only way you would be able to NOT be part of the healthcare plan would be to not pay your taxes. Effectively, if you didn't care for the Fed's "Required Healthcare Plan" you would go to prison for tax evasion.
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today?
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No, Obama and Hillary are little dicks. Excuse my poor grammar error. While you're at it, you'll probably want to blame it on my race, since that is what you liberals are good at. While my mistake was simply one of grammar, you are still a brainwashed liberal asshole. How's that for "tolerance?" It's not nice to be called a "tool" just because I disagree with your extremely liberal political and social views.
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Think about it...McCain said Romney's a liberal and Romney said McCain's a liberal. Chrism (and no, I'm not typing all those bullshit extra letters) said he would vote for McCain or Romney, so therefore...Chrism's a lib.
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I'm going out to cast my vote. My vote will be FOR Senator John McCain...and against the ridiculously overexposed chances of Hillary Clinton or Barack Hussein Obama! McCain/Condi in 2008!
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of others opinions, and then turn around and call them assholes.
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I agree that Hillary ain't the one, but saying that this country isn't ready for a woman president makes you sound like an insecure little geek-boy with mommy issues. Just sayin'.
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McCain/Condi in 2008!!!
McCain/Condi in 2008!!!McCain/Condi in 2008!!!McCain/Condi in 2008!!!McCain/Condi in 2008!!!McCain/Condi in 2008!!!McCain/Condi in 2008!!!McCain/Condi in 2008!!!McCain/Condi in 2008!!!McCain/Condi in 2008!!!McCain/Condi in 2008!!!McCain/Condi in 2008!!!McCain/Condi in 2008!!!McCain/Condi in 2008!!!McCain/Condi in 2008!!!McCain/Condi in 2008!!!McCain/Condi in 2008!!!McCain/Condi in 2008!!!McCain/Condi in 2008!!!
'Nuff said!See ya after I get back from voting! -
The most passionate grassroots presidential campaign everThe most successful "libertarian" campaign in HISTORY!
That's all I got, off to distribute DVDs and carry my big sign around! -
with a life threatening injury or illness, you will immediately change your mind about artists being as important as doctors.
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from better people.
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It happened because McCain's supporters switched to Huck's side so that Romney couldn't win. It had nothing to do with Huck's appeal, it was pure political gamespersonship.
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Didn't believe it then, don't believe it now
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i think i laughed for about 2mins after reading that. thank you.
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Have you seen the far right nutjobs attacking Mccain for not being "conservative" enough? Really? What's he "liberal" on, two issues? (Immigration & torture). Awesome. There's something strangely poignant about the Republican's most viable contender being taken down from the inside. As for the Democrats, if they choose Hillary, they deserve to lose. The nation is ready for a woman president, but not another Clinton. Go Obama!
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And that's coming from a liberal Hollywood Atheist...how far must you fall!?!You guy guys can't produce anything but venom and reruned Anne Coulter talking points. If you can't see the fundamental differences, than you never will. I know WAY too many people just like both of you. You're not even original. It's all adhominem and "but this is WHAT YOU DO" shit...at the very LEAST get a better writer.
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My fellow Americizles. I would like to fo' schnizzle my dizzle with y'all tonight. If the glove don't fit you must aquizzle. Yo yo bring dat beat back. Bring dat beat back.
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Look at what the PLANET thinks of our State Department right now...THAT is who you want for VP!?!? Probably one of the biggest boneheads in the position. Advise some more friends to work in Iraq, Condi, maybe they'll die TOO!McCain and Rice....I WEEP for the future.
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I'm gong to vote for Ron Paul. I know he won't win. But people that try to figure out who's going to win before voting, so they can make their vote count by voting 'for a winner', are pretty disgusting. Elections aren't sporting events. Those people should stay home. In fact, if you are unsure, or don't feel you can articulate good reasons for voting for one candidate or another... stay home! Don't vote! An election where only knowledgeable, interested people voted would be great.
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...of the ISSUES. That's right ladies and gentlemen. While he does inspire me like no other politician before, its the substance of his message that resonates with me. You dumbasses who say Obama has no substance HAVE NOT BEEN PAYING ATTENTION - you fwd: your little viral emails and parrot Hillarity Clinton/Tin-Foil Hat Conservative talking points without actually researching jack shit. Obama has a 54 PAGE outline of every single issue you can ask for on his website. Its in PDF format, downloadable and printable. We are on the fucking internet - use it for once. His website itself also has page after page after page of his beliefs, plans, and positions on dozens of issues. The man has the right kind of judgement to lead, and its plain to anyone with an open mind to look for themselves.
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When he debates against Hilary he should wip out his afro-dong and beat her with it.
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something about putting a concrete wall with landmines and tanks on the boarder to mexico that gives me a raging semi.
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Will he be on MTV Cribs? "This be the White House where all da magic happens. Ova here be my bomb shelta where we cut some tracks and pimp a mac daddy."
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You refer to political pundits. I'm talking about the candidates themselves. Limbaugh and Coulter may not like what is happening, but when it comes to election time McCain, Giuliani, Romney, and Huckabee will form a united front. However, matters between Obama and Clinton are far from civil. The scars between these two are so deep their respective camps will rather sabotage the other's ambitions than see success. This rivalry has existed since Obama and Edwards decided to doppelgang Clinton during the debates (mainly because they knew they weren't electable while Clinton was more than just electable).
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Now I KNOW ccchhhrrriiisssm is a joker. A pox on me for taking you seriously. Nobody can be that dumb...
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The same republicans that dismiss Obama as not experienced are the same ones who voted for Dubya. Give me a fucking break. Anyone that voted for that Santorum stain should have their voting privileges permanently revoked. Dubya had experience—he’d failed at everything he’d ever done.
Barack has spent the last 20 years as:
--President of the Harvard Law Review
--A constitutional law professor
--A community organizer
--A civil rights attorney
--A state senator
and a US senator.
Prior to being elected to the Senate Hillary was:
--An attorney for a non-profit for one year.
--A corporate attornery for 16 years, representing corps. like Tyson Foods and serving on the Board of Wal Mart.
--A first lady who destroyed health care reform by alienating republicans and failing to listen to health care experts.
--A one-term US senator.
Barack has been in elected office longer than Hillary. He's authored much more legislation than Hillary. He's had much more success building coalitions to get his bills passed, and he's passed far more impactful legislation. The “experience” argument is a red herring.
Obama has dedicated his adult life to problems like joblessness, discrimination and health care. He is a man with the integrity, empathy and passion to inspire the majority of Americans that are disenchanted by the cronyism, partisan bickering, and fundamentalist pandering that passes for politics in America.
The Republicans are terrified of Obama because they know he is infinitely more electable than Hillary. He would wipe the floor with Romney or McCain.
For those that think Obama is all rhetoric and no substance, I invite you to go look at his website. His web site has a more substantive discussion of policies than any campaign site in history. If you depend on a 30 second CNN sound byte to educate you, of course you'll hear nothing but poetry and rhetoric from Obama, because he is a once in a generation public speaker. Bu that doesn't mean Obama doesn't have clearly reasoned and principled stands on the issues that matter. He does.
The only thing that can defeat Obama is fear, cynicism and ignorance.
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Obama's campaign is up against some of the dirtiest, nastiest professionals around (i.e., Clinton's camp) and if you were paying attention, you'd notice that it's HER camp that starts nastiness a la Swiftboater tactics, and Obama is left with a decision... do what Kerry did and "try to rise above", and lose, or gracefully try to confront and deflect. As for anyone out to sabotage anyone else... it's not sabotage, it's competition. Oh, and you are batshit crazy if you think McCain and Romney will ever be on the same side. The loathe each other at least as much as Clinton and Obama do, if not more.
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how ironic. and he's voting for Osama? you mean the terrorist?
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...and post fucking movie news. New Indy photos? Night of the Museum 2 (however awful that sounds) greenlit news? Nope. Hellboy 2 set visit? Nope. Jim Henson biopic news? Nope. If anyone wants me I'll be over at empireonline.com
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Guess I'm in the minority, here....
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His portrayal of cretinous President Johnny Cyclops in Whoops Apocalypse was an uncanny George Bush prototype before anyone knew who Bush was.
R.I.P.
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Guess not...
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He was replying to me earlier.
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The Rock is a Republican! He'd lay the Smackdown on his candyass! Sorry... it had to be said. I couldn't resist. I apologize.
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The Paul crowd here is whispering excitedly about the CFR. In my day it was the NWO. Same bullshit. I was at a party on Saturday, and heard two Paul psuedo-libertarians talking about the conspired media blackout of Paul. One of them said if Hillary wins, he's going to "just start shooting people." Fine stock, those libertarians.
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I couldn't have said it better. My vote for Obama is locked in.
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"On the bright side, a few years of anti-business, borderline socialist incompetence from the democrats should really tank the stock market for several years."
....ahha..hahah...HAHAHA...HAAAAAHAHAHA! God, please, oh god... stop it... hahahaha...
Oh wait, you're not kidding? Hoo boy. My apologies. *ahem*
Anti-business? You know, seems like we could use a little of that right now. Business has been given an ugly pass to the point of absurdity for the last eight years.
Inflation, recession, out of control anti-privacy, etc. Conservatism is a laughing stock at this point. The current government has dipped its slimy hand into everyone's lives in the worst possible ways instead of even trying to be remotely helpful.
I still am floored that Conservatives use that anti-government rhetoric when they are the most invasive government in my lifetime in regards to privacy and the rights of the individuals. Now, if you're a big corporation you gotta love the current guys when it comes to being immune to criminal behavior. Of course, you have to weigh that out with the fact that the economy is running on fumes.
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I'd like to order off menu. If only, am I right? I don't know if it's intentional, but Obama looks different on every channel. Hillary looks the same, always. The last time I saw something that wrinkly, it was called Scrotum. However, it's like the cameras all interpret Obama differently. Sometimes he looks hale and hearty, other times he looks like he's in the middle of kidney failure. Maybe it's just the wear and tear of the campaign. Either way, I'd like to have a President who can at least make change, having held a job that exists in the 'real world'. And I swear that McCain's combover changes sides between questions on the debate. It's taken on a life of its own. Romney has bought into the most far fetched cult this side of Tom Cruise's "Remember the Thetans", so although he's a 'conservative' in the state that brought us Ted (Designated Driver) Kennedy and has thrived there, I can't help but think he'll end up re-enacting the Mountain Meadows Massacre with a high ranking member of Congress if things don't go his way. Yes, I would really like to order off the menu on this one.
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Feb 05, 2008 4:30:50 PM CST
Obama would be considered too conservative in Canada.
by flim springfield
Anti-universal health care? Anti-gay marriage? It's funny to see him being called "liberal".
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Obama is Christian. So are Hillary and McCain. Romney is part of the batshit crazy-magic underpants religion , also not Muslim. So who are we talking about? What am I missing?
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A republican government can do whatever it wants-warrantless wiretapping, ignoring the constitution, secret policy meetings with corporate interests, imperial warfare-and the anti-government crowd utters not a peep. But when a Democrat gets in, they come out of the woodwork. Suddenly it's all the evil big government. Oklahoma City or Ruby Ridge would never happen on Bush's watch, not because he'd proactively prevent it, but because anti-government wackos only stand up to government when it invades people's lives with *gasp* the invasive evils of welfare, middle class tax cuts, and regulation of big business.
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To my eternal shame, I mistook you for someone else... I doff my hat and bow my head.
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We need that boxing announcer dude to say that REALLY loud. Go Obama! Go Dems! Go to hell Dubya and Cheney (I know, I know - there I go stating the obvious).
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Should have been left for dead in the 70's.
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They've been waiting for her to rise to the party nomination and they've got HUGE amounts of ammunition against her (Vince Foster, anyone!?). The Republicans probably want Hillary to be the nominee because it will energize their base immensely. Clinton, simply put, is abrasive. Some people like her, but A LOT of people can't stand her (for many reasons, she appears very false/scripted, she hasn't made good on past promises, people are tired of the Clintons in general). Obama is the only person in the race who can win a landslide. He has the charisma to unite people behind him, a charisma that is lacking in all of the other candidates in play (Romney, like Clinton, feels too mechanical, McCain is a bit lethargic, Huckabee maybe has the charisma, but certainly nowhere near Obama's, and Paul is more or less not in the race, realistically). And what's all this bullshit about how policy is what gets elected? FDR got elected on cutting back government spending and what did he turn around and do? He expanded the government exponentially! Lincoln, too, was something of a manufactured candidate in the sense that he didn't go around giving speeches and making promises; the party promoted him based on his life story. Many of our greatest presidents have been elected based on their ability to inspire. Kennedy, Lincoln, FDR. Obama has the charisma, a certain Jefferson Smith vibe about him that inspires people. Now I'm not trying to change any minds, I'm just offering my two cents on the matter. The important thing is that we all go out and vote and let our voices be heard.
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Dude, I'm STILL laughing at your post! Hilarious.
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Bill Clinton is more like Eight Track.
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Pop quiz: Who is the largest employer in the United States? Follow-up question: Who's average income has gone up, regardless of economic conditions or party in power, over the past 30 years? A. The private sector B. The public sector
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because decencey is a rare quality.
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I live in Canada. I'm a U.S. Citizen and have lived here for 15yrs. I have worked in both the US and Canadian Health care fields and have had to use both. Here's some facts I can tell you all.
#1--It's NOT FREE I live in ontario we pay a 13%total sales tax a healthcare tax of about$1000 and our gas Is over $4.04 a gallon of which about $1.70 is tax. and don't get me started on property tax.
#2 The system is great if you don't have a serious illness. I have had 2 friens die while on WAITING lists for chemo.It takes about 3months to get an MRI done. I almost died in the hosptital because there was no ultrsound tech(she was gone on vaction4 a week)to notice i had a gallstone blocking my common bile duct. By the time the transfered me to a different hospital my liver enzymes were 10x normal. Then they called all the way to toronto (2hrs away) before they could find a dr who could do an ERCP to remove said stone. I suffer from permanate live damage because of this.
#3 The average wait time for open heart surgery or by pass is 4months
#4 These thing DON"t happen in america because U can sue the healthcare system. You can't in canada.
#5 Many things are NOT COVERED. Such as ,Physical Therapy, treatment for autistic children, testing for hearing diablities, testing for learning diablities, circumscion, and the list goes on and on
GET THE FACTS PEOPLE AND DON"T BE SHEEP
we pay about the same amount per person for health care as you and receive substandard care.
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Feb 05, 2008 4:56:32 PM CST
VOTING DOESNT WORK...WHEN THEY DONT LIKE WHAT WE SAY THEY STOP I
by bonerdonor
FUCK IT
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Who cares.
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We've been just as vocal about the Patriot Act, wiretaps, etc. You just weren't listening. I find it hilarious that people put so much effort into calling 'conspiracy theories' whacko, like there's no way the government would not be above board with us on everything. As if there are never any shady deals that go on. As if there are no news stories authored by the Elite and handed down to talk show hosts to spin. Snuff films and pedophilia go on at Bohemian Grove, and have for decades. Read Why Johnny Can't Come Home by Noreen Gosch and Franklin Cover-Up by John W. DeCamp. Hell, dig up some interviews with Hunter S. Thompson where he says he was paid money to film the snuff movies.
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I'm a conspiracy realist.
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I only know anything about Hunter S. Thompson. Though I love his works, you really can not cite him as a credible source for much of anything. His persona was crafted from a timely meshing of fact and fiction; and even many of his friends couldn't tell where one stopped and the other began.
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So basically you're saying because Canada's Universal Healthcare sucks, what we would get would would also suck?...I'm sure there is a way to cover everyone fairly and still receive quality care. What we got sure as hell ain't it.
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He's on a beach with Elvis.
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I got a tummyache.
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He lies like a Clinton and legistlates like one too....he's quite simply in the wrong party.
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A thousand points of light!! How else to explain his takeover of the Hollywood elite after a part-time role on Roseanne?
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Lies like Clinton and destroys like Bush. It's the best America has to offer.
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He's gonna be in Indiana Jones.
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...signed off hours ago. Oh wait...that's me.
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Democratic nomminees are the only ones even discussed. Republicans aren't even considered. in addition..Obama? where is the substance...hope? Just a bunch of platitudes and mindless feel good nonsense there....
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Those of you that think Obama is a Muslim is foolish. Try getting your news from a reliable source and not Jimbo's blog or various other unsubstantiated sources.
But let's play out the hypothetical. EVEN if he was, predjudice against a religion due to the actions of a miniscule percentage of the followers is plain and simple ignorance. If everyone did that, and paid any attention in basic history courses, then no one would vote to put a Christian in office. Where do you start? The Inquisition? The Crusades? The public burning-at-the-stakes of so many scholars who supported ideas we know as common knowledge today (like gravity)? The list goes on and on.
I'm not bashing Christianity here, just making a point. I'm not discounting a Christian candidate because of the few who orchestrated those past horrors, just like I wouldn't discount any other of a different religion.
To sum up:
Check your sources before regurgitating.
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two threads on this voting rubbish, geh.
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In case you missed this, a very pertinent post:
1. It means that the GOP is no longer the conservative party, at least in terms of such obsolete conservative issues like national sovereignty, fiscal minimalism, and individual rights. Of all the Republican candidates only Ron Paul has consistently stood for those things; but except for a handful of conservatives most GOP voters are desperately trying to distance themselves from his supposed radicalism. Ronald Reagan might have disapproved of bits of Paul's agenda, but he would have firmly supported him over the other bottom-feeders he's going up against. The GOP has since 9/11 transformed into a party of xenophobes who are willing to hand over the rest of their agenda to leftists in order to concentrate on the dubious dual policy of sealing up the US border like a new Maginot Line and engaging in excitingly expensive foreign adventures. This is sickening to anyone who was once a conservative Republican, like myself. (I'm either a libertarian or an anarcho-capitalist, depending on how much conservatives irritate me with their stupid, self-righteous hypocrisy.) *** 2. It means that Democrats will yet again staunchly stick by the mush-brained belief that "compromise" isn't just a euphemism for "selling out" (which it is). Luckily for Democrats, the Democrat notion of compromise means "demonizing Republicans until they cave in". When Obama bin Liberal says he wants to reach across party lines and unite America, he means he wants to shame whites, males, employers, gun owners, the wealthy, and Christians into abandoning their principles. This is leftist power politics, as driven by Harry Knowles's beloved populism. *** 3. It means that as always in a representative democracy, the majority gets to shove around the minority, thanks to the democratic belief that whatever the majority of voters want is sacred. No matter how stupid, prudish, intolerant, or blatantly acquisitive those wants are. We're told that it's so righteous and noble to mug one group and "redistribute" the loot to another group. But who is saying this? The politicians, on the one hand, who get to indulge in the most exultant drug known to humankind: the power to control other human beings. And on the other hand, the voters, who get free stuff they didn't pay for. Is it any wonder why those in power are going to expound on the eternal virtues of a system of which they are the direct beneficiaries? A simple study of human nature suggests that the ability of humans to rationalize their actions is highly efficient. However. We are told, fairly enough, that anyone who has a personal interest in a policy is biased -- e.g., Halliburton's lobbyists in Washington. But what are voters but people with an obvious biased personal interest? A Christian voter has an interest in coercing the love of Jesus onto others. A welfare-receiving voter has an interest in getting free money. A welfare-advocating voter has an interest in feeling self-righteous about being the savior of the people. All these biased individuals have several things in common. For one, they have no scruples about shoving their moral values onto others. What is compassion? A conservative and a liberal will staunchly disagree, but both will eagerly insist that they have the power to coerce other people into obeying their moral beliefs. (They will each accuse the other of being bad people, of course. This is the only valid way of justifying the coercion.) Modern politics can be divided into two categories of policy: moral prudery, and acquisitiveness. Say you're a member of a certain religion, or at least a philosophy; is it tolerance to demand that everyone else obey what you feel is the one and only true path to compassion and justice? A sincerely tolerant person will say no, and will denounce the modern political process. A bigot won't care about the question, and will vote in November. Acquisitiveness, I mentioned above; it relates to the ability of people to justify anything that benefits themselves personally. What is carefully left out of all the wonderful-sounding rhetoric extolling welfare is the consent of those paying for it all. Are people who disagree with welfare "greedy"? Again, a shameless bigot would say "Yes, of course; such people disagree with me, and are therefore evil people." In a democracy like ours, it is impossible to disagree without being a bad person. If you oppose economic regulation and taxation, then you're a "greedy" person who hates poor people. If you oppose state-funded abortions for 14-year old girls, then you are a misogynist. If you oppose public education, then you hate children. If you oppose immigration controls, then you hate Anglo-Saxon culture. If you oppose affirmative action, then you hate blacks, Hispanics, and women. If you oppose the Patriot Act, then you're a traitor. If you oppose the War on Terror, then you're an Al Qaeda sympathizer. The list goes on, my friends, ad infinitum. (And people wonder why politics routinely gets so nasty.) Self-interest and moral intolerance come together as squalid zealotry in the democratic process. A group as large as the American population will never agree on anything. Barack Obama will never convince all Americans to agree with him. The most he can do is get elected to force the dissenters to pretend to agree with him. And is that really a united America, in which one group gloatingly gets to order around another group, which has to obey or get locked up like the uncivilized animals that they are? The election in 2008 means that the American people will get what they want, but will still lose. -
Think about that for a moment.
LAMA/GERE 08 -
that was by HillaryLovesMe, by the way.
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Bama's gonna stuff his anaconda up Hillary's craggy ass!
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Still voting for Clinton though ...
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Nominating the most polarizing, divisive candidate you can find who actually motivates the Republican base and turns off independents ... who actually inspires people to vote AGAINST her ... well ... you have to have your head in the sand to think that giving her the nomination is a good idea. She will lose in November and lose badly. The Republicans could nominate Hitler and Hillary would still lose in a landslide. A vote for her now is a vote for 4 more years of Republican rule. Plain and simple. Dems should wise up and elect Obama. Hillary is all wrong for the nomination. She is unelectable.
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As I said,
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I voted to abolish monday mornings and friday afternoons.
and more ice cream.
and obama.
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... was the concept of Hope that Obama was giving. Bill may have grown up in a little town called Hope, but when it applies to another candidate, it's just a fairy tale. THAT is what he was referring to. Listen to his speech. He was trashing the idea that Obama was inspirational.
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If you don't know the issues. Anyone who votes for hope (i.e. I like how somebody looks or how sweet their Ads look) or votes for some candidate to give you free donuts or free healthcare or free dildos...do the rest of us a favor and don't vote...cause nothing is free...the government doesn’t pay for ANYTHING...you and I do...and we pay MUCH more than what it really costs in the free market when we filter it through a bloated government. bureaucracy that skims off the top, the bottom, the sides, and is about as efficiently run as your average oil tanker (that’s what happens when you have no competition to forces you do things better or go under)
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it cracks me up... he makes great speeches about generalizations and people eat it up. He's for change, but he never says what kind.
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Alabama: Obama 60, Clinton 37... Arizona: Obama 51, Clinton 45... Connecticut: Obama 53, Clinton 45... Delaware: Obama 56, Clinton 42... Georgia: Obama 75, Clinton 26... Illinois: Obama 70, Clinton 30... Massachusetts: Obama 50, Clinton 48... Missouri: Obama 50, Clinton 46... New Jersey: Obama 53, Clinton 47...
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ANNOYING!!
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I feel Romney would make the best President out of all the candidates just b/c of his experience as a Business Leader and it looks like the way the economy is going he fits the bill.
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but pretty fucking decisive! Hillary can eat it.
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BULLSHIT. You have a moral obligation NOT to vote if you haven't educated yourself.
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Quit putting up fake numbers you goober.
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Please go out & vote if your in the right state. And please vote WHO YOU FEEL/THINK is the best candidate and not who a celebrity endorses. Seriously, can you really relate to a celebrity?
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CLINTON: Arkansas: Clinton 72, Obama 26... California: Clinton 50, Obama 47... New York: Clinton 56, Obama 43... Oklahoma: Clinton 61, Obama 31... Tennessee: Clinton 52, Obama 41...
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Feb 05, 2008 5:55:01 PM CST
I'M WAITING FOR MY GF TO COME HOME SO WE CAN VOTE TOGETHER
by bringingsexyback
Cuz I'm romantic like that. That and she needs to tell me who to vote for.
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and you want me to take Drudge's word for it? His site hasn't gotten a hit from my puter in 9 years and it aint about to happen now.
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Excepting our current President.
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Feb 05, 2008 6:13:17 PM CST
Some people think Osama Bin Laden's running for president...
by mrmysteryguest
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BUUUSHSHSHH!
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Obama isn't a fucking Muslim you dibshit! He's Christian! And I'm not religious and a still like him. Get your head out of your fucking ass and don't believe those bullshit mass forwarded emails made by some unaware hick.
And hollywood90039, thank you for bringing up Mrs. Clinton's voting record on Iraq. I was about to bring that up. Let's not forget her being for the war. -
HE WAS THE TURD! DON'T YOU FORGET IT!
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Feb 05, 2008 6:21:34 PM CST
How come religion is only a factor on the republican side?
by drewlicious
At least it seems that way. Seriously I've heard a lot of crap about Huckabee being a devout baptist and Romney being a Mormon but I rarely hear about this sort of thing when people talk about the Democrats. Last time I checked quite a few people running on that ticket go to church too. I know a lot of people will say the Republican candidates put their faith in policy and therefore push it on other people, and to some extent that might somewhat true (Cindy Sheehan an exercise in pro-life pandering, whenever the ten commandments are put up or taken down in public building) but to pretend that anyone's faith is benign is just foolish. It's never benign if you truly believe in it. The closest I've heard people talk about Democrats and religion lately is the accusation of Obama being a muslim, which is utter bullshit for anyone that actually bothers to read up on the guy. He does apparently belong to a church that is rather afro-centric in nature and whose minister apparently honored Farrkhan. How come no one has asked him about that? Personally I wish people would shut up about the issue entirely and just stick to the issues. That's how I judge a candidate, by their actions and those actions are usually on public record. If their faith made the make a good decision, that's fine with me.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhAobPugvsk
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SSHVucJ--A
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It's true.
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Says so right on his website. 100,000 of your young family members and loved ones -- and he gives NO reason for it!
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And you don't forget it!
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Nice going there, Harry...
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I voted for Obama, my mother did too.
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is a vote for finding "who let the dogs out....woof..woof...woof". What a tool. Obama in 08 baby!
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He'll point to a copy of Man In Full and not say anything and hopes that no one understands. But I'll understand, Bill. You racist fun-loving bastard.
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We will fix the Muslim problem in three easy steps. XD
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Kudo's to Harry for having the balls to black......ahem, back Obama.
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and saw a lean two hundred pounds of a Rambo of a man, not afraid to fight off liberals with one hand and muslim extremists with the other. Their heads popped like pumpkin gourds freshly introduced to the sledgehammer. Brain matter from Planned Parenthood mixed with brain matter from the ACLU mixed with brain matter from CAIR. It was beautiful.
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Well done sir, well done.
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it must be nice to generalize and stereotype a group of people based on the actions of the minority radicals that have misinterpreted their religious scriptures to serve their own twisted purpose much like the radical christians that bomb how about the atrocities committed in the name of the christian religion by radical followers? suppose those are ok? if ignorance is bliss, you must piss ecstacy and shit rainbows...
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bomb clinics
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I usually like to read the whole thing before posting, but damn.
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I usually like to read the whole thing before posting, but damn.
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I usually like to read the whole thing before posting, but damn.
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I Drink It UP!!!!!
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...that new Harry animated GIF at the top of the page is disturbing. I have to stop going to this website while eating dinner.
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Since WWII, the opposition party has gained seats in every mid-year election except for three. One was in the 50s (don't know the circumstances), one was 1998 (backlash over the stupid impeachment trial), and the third was 2002 (post 9/11). Every other mid-year election (yes, even during the sainted Kennedy's presidency), the opposition gained seats.
Granted, two of the exceptions are recent; I feel, however, that barring an exceptional event this matter will hold to form. Therefore, I ask the question I asked in 1996: Should Liberals vote for Dole?
The reason I asked that question was because Clinton had already demonstrated he was a lot more moderate than most expected. Despite this, the Republicans had gained Congress in 1994. Between a moderate President and a Republican Congress, the Liberal Agenda was DOA in America. Would a situation where a sitting Republican caused the Democrats to regain Congress in 1998 be a worthwhile reason to back Dole?
Now, there are two caveats: one, there's usually a coattail effect with the Presidential Race, but considering it's been pretty close since 1988 (or skewed via Perot), I don't think the winning candidate will pick up that many seats for his party; the Dems picked up big in 2006 (as expected), so there's not much room for them to grow in 2008, and there hasn't been enough time for there to be a Republican groundswell that'll give them control back this year (even with a Republican victory). The other caveat, is, of course, you can't predict the numbers, just the overall effect. Is it worth an Obama or Hilary just to gain a few seats (but not the Congress) in 2010?
Of course, other people will have issue with this, thinking that the President is more powerful than Congress. HE'S NOT. Granted, when it comes to waging war in Foreign Countries he has a little more authority, but for the large bulk of the domestic agenda it's Congress that sets the path, pays the bill, and inevitably screws over the population.
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Shit, if the problem is that too many skoal spitting, gun toting inbreds like Ashok are being shipped off to their hasty deaths by macguyver bombs in the desert so that we can still pretend to be America Number 1!!!1, who needs solutions? But, I don't want my tax dollars funding it! I must be a conservative...
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GA: Obama 56% Clinton 38%
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One, it's Xenu. Two, the Scientologists oppose Xenu because he's the bad guy in their faith.
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Against the animation in the top left corner. Put Harry in a cupid diaper or something stupid, but man, that ain't right.
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She already had her 8 years as president while her husband fooled around in the oval office.
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I usually like to read the whole talkback before posting, but damn.
Bush is not and never was a conservative nor a Christian. See his spending and that time his aide audio taped him without his knowledge. I wanted to vote for Edwards because he was the only major candidate that I heard talking about the tyranny of corporate America. I voted for Obama, mostly because I believe that he is an atheist in his heart, though he belongs to a Christian Church, I believe it is for the same reason the males in my family go to church, for the social structure and the community. By the way Obama has never been a Muslim, If it comes to Hillary of McCain, I'll probably go McCain. I usually choose integrity over character. But I don't know, I hope Obama gets the nom so I don't have to vote Republican. God I hate those Clintons. -
Feb 05, 2008 7:01:56 PM CST
Thanks, man. I think he should use that on his campaign post
by skinjob69
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mostly just of women who have committed adultery or 'provoked' rape from another man. Talk all you want about the 'evils' of Christianity, but our Lord Jesus Christ never condoned stoning. Where are the women's libbers with all the female oppression in the Middle East? Maybe they're just paper champions of female liberty.
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We just get the munchies afterwards
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He was like the 5th Beatle man. Sexy Sadie. Magic Alex lied, man!
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I don't think the guy is going to save the world, but he'll be a great symbol of the US finally getting back on track after 8 years of neocon fundie fascism. In a weird way we can all thank Dubya for killing the Republican party through his criminally negligent incompetence. Thanks Dubya! Go Obama!
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Feb 05, 2008 7:10:04 PM CST
No you don't have to love a country that practices stoning
by ebonic_plague
You don't have to love a country that produces uneducated racist warmongering sheep either. Also, Jesus said to keep his name out of your mouth, asshole.
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Does anyone know anything about Obama's church having black power sentiments. I've heard some pretty crazy shit about it. Does anyone think it strange that Democratic politicians are not questioned on their church background in a race where religion has been quite an issue? Or is that just crazy?
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A Harry-Knowles-dog licking its nuts and coming away with a suspicious white froth on its lips? I've been coming to this site for a long time, and that is by far the most disturbing .gif I've ever seen up there-
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq6vIh6VI7Y
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In a perfect world, religion would not be brought up in politics AT ALL. If only for the simple fact that you can't legislate on the basis of a FUCKING FAIRY TALE. I long for a world where people who bring up their faith in a political debate or in political terms are laughed of the stage and forced into obscurity by an educated, progressive, non superstitious public. In short, FUCK RELIGION. Separation of church and state, motherfuckers.
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Didn't you say "nuff said" ? Shut the fuck up already. You claim to be a hardworking, salt-of-the-earth conservative and yet here you are posting on a movie news site all day. Liberals are pussies, but they are also hateful? Way to have your cake and shove it down your fucking gullet, too. I'm not hateful, but I'd love to punch motherfuckers like you.
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IT'S A REVOLUTION!!!!!
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http://agonybooth.com/agonizer/Mercer_for_President_2008.aspx
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I know you are on cruise control for coolness, but since when was 11 years no experience? Voted present on more than yes and no's combined? Not true, first of all, but also ridiculous to attack because voting present actually serves a functional purpose. Actually, let me put it this way because everyone else around here is so nice; you're an idiot.
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your posts.Makes them longer and more disturbing.
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He got us out of the Depression, won the war (WII), was pro-union, AND started most of the social programs you seem to hate so much. Easily the greatest President we've ever had.
So what has Dubya done? Let the worlds worst terrorist attack happen even though he knew it was coming, stood back and laughed while New Orleans was all but destroyed, plunged the country into the New Depression, and started an illegal, endless war for Oil based on false intelligence, so that he can secure his family's oil profits. Oh, but he loves Jeebus. That is, supply side warmongering jeebus -- the White Conservative Jeebus. The guy who bares slim to no resemblance to the Jesus I read about. In short, you, and all your ultra right wing fundie freak friends are jackasses and hypocrites. I'm just glad the country finally woke up to your madness. -
Cause Jeb Bush is all in his house with disease
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So, you're allowed to believe what you want to believe, NOT shove it down our fucking throats, jackass. The founding fathers weren't christian. They were either atheists or deists (they believed in a remote, unknowable creator who has no direct involvement in human lives). NOWHERE is there any indication that they wanted to establish a christian nation.
Btw, whats your stance on the Oklahoma Federal Building bombing? 2 right wing conservative "christians" did it. Should we kill all the right wing neocon "christians" then? I understand they're rather dangerous. Or is it okay cause they're white and "christian." -
The only thing FDR did to get us out of the Depression was get us into WW2. He was dead before that was ended so I don't think he could be given credit for winning it.
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You haven't read much history have you? Know the Bible though, dontcha? I understand Adam and Eve road dinosaurs to Church on Sunday. Big fan of FOXNews? Don't bother screaming, we all know the deal. It must be really upsetting to watch your Bush regime literally implode, and kill the Republican party with it. Aww. Now go cry and/or jerk off to THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST. Toodles!
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...is ushering in the welfare state that we live in today. I'm not saying it didn't give some good things to a lot of people, but I question the long term repercussions of it all.
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Maybe he wasn't there for the signing of the treaty with Japan, but he was there for the lions share of the war. Shit, he was President during DDay! I mean really now, thats just silly.
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I was speaking more to the fact that the Bush admin was a resounding, catastrophic failure that more or less ended the Republican party.
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i didnt say we (u.s.) werent ready for a woman pres - i actually believe we are over due - i said right now isnt the right time, considering we (u.s.) are dealing daily with nations and parts of the world that openly hate women (especially women in politics with any sway over people) - tell me im wrong about that - you cant - if this makes me sound sexsist or insecure and geeky, so be it - like it or not, im right
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NOW!
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Jefferson was pretty much a straight up atheist, as was Franklin. The rest were deists -- they believed in a creator, but that that creator was remote, and more or less totally removed from human existance. Go ahead and show me ONE document from that time which references Christ AT ALL. Go ahead. Seriously, go ahead. Christians believe in Christ; that Christ was divine. Lots of people believe in a God that has no bearing on the myth of Christ.
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Jefferson was pretty much a straight up atheist, as was Franklin. The rest were deists -- they believed in a creator, but that that creator was remote, and more or less totally removed from human existance. Go ahead and show me ONE document from that time which references Christ AT ALL. Go ahead. Seriously, go ahead. Christians believe in Christ; that Christ was divine. Lots of people believe in a God that has no bearing on the myth of Christ.
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You don't say? Really? HAHAHAHA!! Oh man, priceless. And with that, I bid you... GOODNIGHT!!!!!!!!!
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Did LaserPants leave?
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... word for word - "Hilary was good for new york, but nows not the right time (considering our world situation) for a woman president (that gets teary eyed over her long struggle to get back in the white house)" - and i stand by that statement - i dont recall mrs. clinton shedding any public tears over desabled iraq war vets and the enlisted that died in iraq when fielding questions on the war - but ask her how she manages to maintain herself while campaigning and she gets weepy - if that gets her teary eyed, then she doesnt get my vote
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He's got Huck and Bee in his name!
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...of a fucking barely literate douchebag cretin like MandalorianSage arguing for the merits of christianity. Motherfucker, you are almost literally the opposite of Christ's example. In fact, if your dad fucked his sister in Fallujah instead of Jizzwater, OK or whatever sad stretch of dirt you happened to be shat upon, there is no doubt you'd be screaming in some mosque and twisting Allah's words around to support your shut-in caveman worldview. Although, interestingly, you'd probably still fuck farm animals, they'd just be more diseased.
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...most of the "founding fathers" were deists. They went along with Christian traditions, but they were a product of the Enlightenment and believed in a distant creator. In letters etc... they usually refer to a vague "providence" when referring to religious stuff. They weren't anti Christian, but they were not Christians in the sense people usually mean today...by today's standards they were sort of Unitarian.
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Feb 05, 2008 8:09:38 PM CST
I'll say this as for as the founders being deists and athiests..
by klattimus_darby
If they were, and the vast majority of political figures of that time were most likely not, they certainly went out of their way to speak on religious terms with everyone else. Whether the founders believed in religion has nothing to do with whether or not they believed religion to be necessary for the foundation of the country. They certainly didn't go out of their way to get it off the table. (Except for maybe Jefferson's New Testament, but that was a personal endeavor.)
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Hahah, you dipshit. So 11 years is insignificant for someone who took major stands on issues and helped sponsor many important bills, but is incredibly significant in your generalizations on snorting coke a few times in college, occasionally voting present, and the hearsay about some sort semi-legal real estate deal? You say you study history, yet you clearly support the current administration and the idea of stopping terrorism before it spreads - essentially the domino theory - the same theory that was used for the "police action" in Vietnam and Korea...we have to stop communism before it spreads - OMGZ!#!@ Mitt Romney is the most cowardly, POS candidate running in the entire election. Nothing Obama has done has even hinted at intellectual laziness or cowardice. Go study some more history, shitbag. You are clearly picking out the parts you like. I love all of these neo-con fuckers on here calling everyone intolerant of conservatism. Oh poor you. Is that the new line of bullshit? Do you guys get weekly bulletins or what? The republican party and many of it's members have proven to be the most Aryan-esque, intolerant group of people in the United States. Have you read any of the studies on media bias alone? No? Alright, shut the fuck up then. Laser is right about FOX, shove it up your pompous ass. All you do is twist logic and history to suit your needs and then accuse everyone else of the very thing you are doing.
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How do you reconcile belief in Divine Intervention with Diesm?
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...I see he has a lot of posts...haven't read them yet.
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Well, you've only just proven my point. Has Clinton launched dirty tricks against Obama? Of course there has, there is no question about that. But Obama has had his fair share of dirty tactics, most notably for twisting the Clintons' words to suggest that they are racist. Some other examples include Iowan Caucus goers receiving deliberately incorrect caucus locations, shameless push polls, volunteers criticizing and insulting Clinton voters, not to mention the "Hillary Clinton does not respect our people" Latino ad. Attacks have been launched from both sides, and no matter who wins, sadly the only losers will be the Democrats themselves.
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You'll vote for Obama, because you believe in him? Believe in him to do what? Take a fat pay cheque and rape, sorry, tax, your ass for the personal profit and enjoyment of a small few.
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But I still totally agree.
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Obama and Hillary are almost the same candidate. Either one would be a fantastic choice for the Democrats.
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fucking exploded. I'm not surprised, I just love it when AICN references something political and the whole of American politics and history gets debated to death by hordes of the clueless, the trolling, the extremists, and the rational alike.
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Round/Condi FTW!!!!!!
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That's pretty good. Ha! I bet you thought I was gonna go on an angry rant.
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how crazy would that be? The tables are turned!
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Hogan/Beefcake FTW!!!!!!
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Chunk/Mikey FTW!!!!!!
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I'm not sure what point I've proved for you there... the Clintons are well known for both their dirty campaign tactics AND their vindictiveness towards people who vote against them. The simple fact is that there is enough bad blood against the Clintons in this country that, as riskebiz so eloquently pointed out, the Republicans could nominate Hitler and she would lose... ESPECIALLY if Huckabee becomes the running mate of the Republican candidate. A McCain/Huckabee ticket will take a unifying, inspiring figure like Obama to beat... not a divisive individual like Clinton... THAT BEING SAID, your assertion that a woman president would be bad for our foreign policy, what with the trouble in the Middle East- I think not necessarily. Our next president will need to rebuild our goodwill among ALL nations, not just the Middle East, and if that president got enough momentum behind them from other nations and used that leverage to lean on the leaders of the current hotspots to start behaving themselves, then I think that would be in everyone's best interest... and you don't need a man for that. I actually believe that Hillary could successfully do that, but she doesn't deserve to win based on her track record in DOMESTIC policy. So, moot point.
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Baltar/Gaeta FTW!!!!!!
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All she needs is California. Who's out there, Mori? Yo Drew what are your thoughts on the Cali vote?
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Man, it must be nice to have money to waste.
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Anything goes in this election!!!
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the 50 greatest talkbacks on AICN in book form or would he have to obtain permission from AOL and every single screen name exhibited? This and the one for Lost Season 3 Finale would be among the fifty.
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You must have been reading someone else's post. I'm not denying Clinton's dirty tactics, I acknowledge that they exist. Same goes for Obama. When did I say ANYTHING about a female President? My point was that Obama and Clinton pretty much hate each other. That's it! No more, no less. You need to stop other reading these posts and then attributing them to other people. Relax, breath in, breath out, chill. This is why I hate elections, people go bezerk when there so much as even a hint that someone out there might even think about saying something that would be considered bad about their candidate.
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Lee/Li FTW!!!!!!
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Holy fuck me seriously. Sorry, man. Shit, this is un-fucking-excusable, right? 'Scuse me while I repost this to the appropriate party... my ire was directed towards...
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Nipples on Batsuit/Flames on Optimus FTW!!!!!!
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Your assertion that a woman president would be bad for our foreign policy, what with the trouble in the Middle East- I think not necessarily. Our next president will need to rebuild our goodwill among ALL nations, not just the Middle East, and if that president got enough momentum behind them from other nations and used that leverage to lean on the leaders of the current hotspots to start behaving themselves, then I think that would be in everyone's best interest... and you don't need a man for that. I actually believe that Hillary could successfully do that, but she doesn't deserve to win based on her track record in DOMESTIC policy. So, moot point.
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Do you understand the words coming out of our President's mouth?!
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That is, if she had a kid. Love the scene with the maggots and infected puss on the chick's open wounds. Stay classy Ilsa!
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... if she makes it all the way - that would be hilarious
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Jar Jar/Gollum FTW!!!!!!
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Fortune says: "Your talents will take you far ... in bed"
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They would never leave the White House. They would probably tease it every now and then, but ultimately have a change of heart. Salinger would only agree to leave the White House fifty years after his death.
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Yes?
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Because the new one is fucking gross. Seriously. It's Super Fat Tuesday, drape yourself in a flag. You could of had some cool red, white and blue beads around your neck (in keeping with the Fat Tuesday/ Mardi Gras reference). No, you chose to put your head on a dog and then suck its/your cock and get a jizz 'stache. Barack Hussein Q'addafi Obama would be proud.
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take those ugly homemade banners off the streets? My thansk!
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MMMMMMM Spaghetti/Meatballs FTW!!!!!!
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all supported the invasion of Iraq. Obama and his advisors didn't. That is all.
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...is the idea of that batshit-crazy Romney getting anywhere NEAR the White House. Ick. Seriously. He looks like the actor who dons a white coat and acts like a doctor on pharmaceutical commercials. I mean, come ON... the guy put his dog in a crate and tied it to the top of his car, and when the dog shit itself out of sheer terror at travelling down a highway in this manner, HOSED IT DOWN AND KEPT GOING. If he can do that to a dog, imagine what he'll do to the poor and working class in this country once he gets into the Oval Office.
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Shake. &. Bake.
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That's right. I put a period after &. I just did it again. THAT JUST HAPPENED!
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Ron Paul 08!!!!
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Early's the kinda candidate you could picture yerself havin' a beer with. He watched the Superbowl for the same reasons as other normal folk: Cuz it was a damn good game with cool commercials.
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You have a CAPS LOCKS buddy!
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Feb 05, 2008 9:50:20 PM CST
TERRYMALLOY - YES, AND HE'S KINDA ANNOYING ME WITH THE CAPS
by bringingsexyback
I hope no one feels that way about mine ...
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with the stupid Random/Random 08
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I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE ARE YELLING ABOUT!
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... how do you suppose the killers of Benezir Bhutto might react to a female american president - the sentiment that killed her runs deep, and its not just about her gender - she was a good voice for the people, and a woman - now shes dead by way of state sponsored assassination - some places were never meant to be westernized, or even made into "real" democracies (yeah, even Pakistan) - but what can you expect from countries that have wealthy sheiks, religious zealots and arm chair generals for leaders - where stoning women is still a popular spectator sport - whatever - i hope youre right, seriously - because Hilary could very well be our next pres - i hope Obama wins - but i have to admit, in spite of everything else i said up top, i will vote to elect Hilary if she gets the nom - im voting for my party - 8 years of conservative bullshit is long enough
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Seriously, thanks Harry for at least sparking this debate and getting these TBers going. I was a high school history teacher when Bush vs. Gore 2000 happened, and regardless of what one thinks of the outcome, I was grateful we all went through that shit because it should've convinced us all how important the vote can be.
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Yeah, I guess I do owe it to the rest of the world to vote in an African American or a woman president. [sarcasm]
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...what a fucking doosh - funny thing is, most of his supporters wouldve done the same thing - the conservative mind works in strange ways - ive heard conservatives (family of mine) argue that gay marriage is akin to bestiality - what can you say to someone like that
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Couldn't fucking believe it!
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...because if he ends up in the white house, we lost our ability to blame everything on the white man. The second we say anybody's tryin' to keep us down, white folks will point at Obama and say "Shut up, negro!"
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Google News, baby... there's a long list of references to this event: Romney once strapped his dog (in a crate) to the roof of his car.
This is from the Catoosa News: "Yes, Mitt Romney transported his dog in a cage strapped to the top of the car during a 12-hour journey to visit his parents. The 1983 misadventure was reported in the Boston Globe last June. Romney clarified that he attempted to shield the dog with some sort of makeshift windshield. The scared pooch developed diarrhea, so Romney stopped at a gas station and hosed down the dog, the carrier, and the back of the car. Romney’s campaign-trail response to pet-loving critics: 'They’re not happy that my dog loves fresh air.'"
Granted, the Catoosa news isn't the New York Times, but it sure ain't the Drudge report, you know? Anyway, there are NUMEROUS references to this in many publications. -
Fuck Ron Paul. Then again ... fuck John McCain, fuck Mitt Romney, and fuck Mike Huckabee too!And this coming from a conservative too. Sad what the Republican party has turned in to. Time to fuckin clean house!!
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If Obama gets in, I will never do that. There, that's settled, now you can vote for him.
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As a conservative, what's creating the animosity towards Paul. Iraq?
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Meesa drop da nuk-wee-ar bomb on yousa ass, Ahmadinejad!!! Den meesa take revenge on meesa haterz!
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Or so I heard on the radio a couple of weeks ago. Supposedly some newspaper had some dirt on a major Dem candidate having a gay relationship with an aide...
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...as well as Vice President, Super Bowl MVP, Mr. Universe, and the second coming of Christ...
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With good conservative ideals, no corporate or international sellouts allowed ...
Smaller government, more delegation to the states, equal opportunity for all, strong defense, secure border, balanced budget, personal responsibility, simple tax code, less government intrusion in private lives, and a government that respects the fuckin constitution. Used to be a lot of what the Republican part stood for. Sure they talk about some of that ... but none of them really believe in it anymore. -
Conservatives Against the Republican Party.3rd party FTW!!!!!
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Feb 05, 2008 10:42:35 PM CST
Good night everyone...I'm off to have sex with ScaryWaitress
by flickapoo
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he was the truest "republican" in the running - but he was hated for his staunch defense of the constitution - but like Bush said "its just a piece of paper" - the republican conservatives voting in droves now (the ones responsible for giving us Bush for an extra 8 years) dont give 2 shits about the constitution - except when it comes to how many machine guns youre allowed to own
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Feb 05, 2008 10:43:59 PM CST
i wonder how many male prostitutes Romneys been with
by jimmyjoe redsky
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Don't mistake Bush for a real conservative. Mr Spend Like a Drunken Sailor, expand government like never before, sell out the south-west to Mexico while raking in the corporate donations, fuck the Constitution, etc., etc. Again, I say, do not mistake that tool for a conservative. I voted for him, because the alternative in 2004 was John fucking Kerry.
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Feb 05, 2008 10:51:01 PM CST
I FUCKING FARTED AND FILLED MY PANTS WITH FRESH SHIT!!! ITS GREE
by bonerdonor
I ATE ASPARAGUS AND SEAWEED LAST NIGHT!!!
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coming from the crowd.
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LEGALIZE IT
AND ILL ADVERTISE IT!!!
AND WHEN I MEAN LEGALIZE IT IM REFERRING TO LEGALIZING NASAL SEX!!! -
DEPENDS/HUGGIES '08!!!!!!!!!
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Yeah. That was funny.
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Talk about beating a dead horse. That equine is limp! Homosexuals should be able to live with the people they love. They should be able to even get married to the person they want of the same sexual specification, so long as the marriage isn't a Christian ceremony.
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Feb 05, 2008 11:31:24 PM CST
Lamerz, like we'd be worse off if Kerry were president?..
by jimmyjoe redsky
i dont think so - you STFU - you voted for Bush, dumb ass - you had a 4 year preview so you knew what was in store for the next 4 - in 2004 all the exit polls had Kerry ahead in that election - even the news anchors covering it couldnt figure out the surprise landslide at the very end - literally like outta nowhere - anyone else smell another fix? - the neo cons play hard and dirty - i admire Kerrys choice not to contest the decision - this country has a history of hating and attacking the wrong guy - he had enough - he had every right to challenge those results - but i agree with you that Bush aint a real conservative - but he is a good figure head for what passes as and calls itself a conservative these days - but dont complain, you voted for him - you coulda taken a chance and voted for Kerry - but it wouldnt have mattered because Rove and his friends in the galactic empire saw to it that Bush would win no matter what - are you one of these types that "thanks god" Gore wasnt our president during 9/11 - like wed be so much worse off now if he was - i bet wed still have a record surplus as opposed to a record deficit - and we wouldnt be stuck knee deep in shit over in iraq - last i heard, the construction of our permanent bases over there is going smoothly
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Feb 05, 2008 11:32:53 PM CST
For anyone who thinks universal healthcare is even possible
by troutpencil
http://tinyurl.com/2vc2tm
It isn't. And we're all screwed. And the "real" candidates aren't even fucking talking about the $59,000,000,000,000 debt. Because anyone who is stupid enough to support the institutionalized bullshit of Clinton/Obama is too stupid to grasp the actual problems this country is facing. :( -
Fuck voting. You think a single one of these assholes are gonna change anything? no. I'm betting if Obama, if elected, turns out to be like our Memphis mayor. He'll preach unity and all that horseshit but soon as he's in office he'll turn into one of those "kill whitey" racist bastards. His wife already hates white people and I'm sure behind closed doors he's no different.
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After what he just posted, I cant imagine him making logical decisions on the facts of an issue. I am not criticizing who he is voting for, I am just criticizing his reason for it. "I like his talk, his attitude and his charisma." You cant see it, but I am rolling my eyes.
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GOD FFUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKINGG DAMMMMMIT!
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no doubt
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I have said enough!
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i dont think he hated her - finish high school, then go vote - when you are more enlightened
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C'mon, his sons were back to back Super Bowl MVPs! He can let Cooper run operations in Iraq or something, just to show that all three of his sons kick ass.
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Feb 06, 2008 12:56:40 AM CST
Looking for a candidate who can reach across party lines and cho
by darth_inedible
And Hillary is that candidate. Vote Reign of Terror in '08.
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even though there are TONS of people on this planet that probably do. You probably need to go back to school and take READING COMPREHENSION before you try and make witty remarks with the adults.
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HARDY HAR HAR!
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Feb 06, 2008 1:39:16 AM CST
ScreaminBrains, your post seemed to insinuate that...
by jimmyjoe redsky
... Obama would promise us the world but once president (if that happens) it would turn out that secretly he hates whitey - like you claim your mayor does - maybe i misread your post
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No voting for me!....YET
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Feb 06, 2008 1:47:19 AM CST
ScreaminBrains, Barak's wife doesnt hate white people...
by jimmyjoe redsky
... but she does hate you specifically - i just got off the phone with her - she is hatching a plan to have some of her "whitey hating" scary big black male friends break into your house one night and force you to watch as they all take turns raping your loved ones - seriously - Barak himself is pretending not to know about it - i tried to talk her out of it - but her mind was made up - so lock your doors and keep your gun loaded and by the bed
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To terrify all Republicans everywhere.
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I'm Undecided until October
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I'm Undecided until October
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... not enough people fucking do it - i live in a "bell weather" state - and it was reported tonight that based on returns approx 36% of registered voters went out and voted today - thats all - supposedly a new record high - so basically we deserve who ever wins - too many of these stupid young self absorbed fucks that complain about this or that wont go vote because it would cut into their personal time, or fat tuesday and mardi gras - i bet the average 20 something walking around in any given city didnt even know about the primaries or what they are - and if they did they didnt give a shit - and sadly the only young voters that get the most excited about voting happen to be republicans/conservatives (where i live anyway) - its not just young people either - im ashamed to admit this but my own brother didnt vote yesterday - he was going to go after work, he had 2 whole hours to do it - in and out, no crowds - but he was "too tired" - yet he bitches about the same shit everyone else does - apathy and ignorance is why we have the leaders (and choice of leaders) that we do
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and it will all go to some huge supercomputer that will screw around with our votes.
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All I'm saying is it wouldn't surprise me if he did. His wife tried playing the "race card" once or twice already and it's a known fact the church he attends has a history of racism. I'm not saying the church makes the man either. I do think it's very odd that the only family members you ever see are from the "black" side though. Even his sister who he claims is his "advisor" is never seen with him.
I don't claim anything about our mayor, it's a very well known fact.. he's racist. He does not like white people.period. He is the reason our city is one of the most segregated and crime ridden in the country now.
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Did you get your free hanging chad?
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I thought for the first time in the 5 or 6 ears I've been visiting this site there might actually be a semi-intelligent conversation hatched from this post but like always, the talkbacks only bring out the worst in people. I know Harry does this shit on purpose, off movie topic posts, just for his own amusement. OBAMA HD VS CLINTON BLURAY. You sure can pick those winners eh Harry?
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No, All is good. I only post at work, hence the vanishing act.
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Actually - I've been following this election for a full year now - and I'm a political junkie. I've read both of Obama's books - and watch tons of interviews with candidates in both parties - as well as their speeches and read just about everything on their sites.
My support for Obama though is most strongly based on the fact that beyond agreeing with his policies and record... I love his capacity for communicating passion and idealism. I like his capacity to mobilize new voters and marginally interested political novices - and for his ability to move the sort of folks that had been disenfranchised - that I know - to believe again in the political process. -
Feb 06, 2008 2:36:58 AM CST
ScreaminBrains, dont play a victim, you sound like a racist...
by jimmyjoe redsky
... i guess in your eyes all blacks in politics are corrupt, eh? - theyre all out to get us whites - because blacks invented racism - you sound no different than a black guy ranting on how every white politician hates black people - and there are pleanty of them too im sure, and im sure they dont vote either - what a great excuse, i hate racists so i wont vote - even though voting is how we elect our leaders - and as citizens its the only real time we can have a say on a lot of shit, like who our mayor might be - im sure your town was always segregated, long before your black mayor took office
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... even though he could and has plenty of ammo - he is classier than that
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You're right, I don't give two shits about what Harry posts, or who he really cares for in this coming election, if he's even given thought to it, but the man fuckin' started this site and chose to use his time to "reflect" on Super Tuesday, right or wrong on Obama. So cut him some slack and admit starting the whole topic was admirable, okay?!?
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Feb 06, 2008 2:43:58 AM CST
If this doesn't show what a fake Hillary Clinton is, nothing wil
by orionsangels
To avoid the question. Hillary pretends to have a coughing fit. She is so fake!!! Argh! Why can't some of you see it? Watch the clip if you haven't seen it
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... just go back to playing world of warcraft
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HEADGEEK just hit Sakurai back. Not that I agree, but of all the Goddamn TBers to hit, he hit mine...fuck. Sak (or better yet, "ballsack") I hope you feel better now...
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Feb 06, 2008 2:53:39 AM CST
if Obama or Hilary win their biggest worry will be...
by jimmyjoe redsky
... the ravenous pundits and talk show assholes tearing them new a-holes day in and out - stoking the already built in hatred for them - working the conservative mobs into irrational frenzies - it will make the hatred for Bill during his last term look like a dean martin roast
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I'm racist yet even my wife who is half black and half asian feels the same way. in fact, she's the one who pointed it out that he hides the white side of his family from the public. It's not a requirement to vote. It is a choice. I'd rather NOT vote than go in and VOTE for someone I don't feel is qualified for the job and IN MY OPINION OBAMA OR CLINTON would both fail. You can have this talkback now. This is not a political site and I won't waste any more time arguing with AICN talkbackers on my political views. That is just LOL.
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If you thought that she was really coughing you're a gullable moron. hold on, wait cough! hold on! let me keep coughing everytime you try to ask that question. cough! hold on! cough! hahaha!!!
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She sounds like my snobby 5th grade teacher.
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Feb 06, 2008 3:05:06 AM CST
the democrats need a real go getter and shit disturbor
by jimmyjoe redsky
to run for president, like James Carville - he is a democrat that fights like a no-bull-shit-takin republican - and the conservatives hate this guy with a passion - hes got it all - a southern drawl, a face that would translate to caricature easily, smarts, a sense of humor, knows how to argue and win, a republican wife (with insatiable sexual appetites, ive heard), a shaved head... but sadly hes not a real politician - James Carville would kick ass, especially in a debate - plus, wouldnt be cool to have a president that looks kinda like gollum
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... studies show that conservative women tend to spit - she sounds like a real genius - post a link to some photos
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Feb 06, 2008 3:17:32 AM CST
im curious to know what kinda movies these conservative republic
by jimmyjoe redsky
... studies show that they are the biggest buyers of porn - even gay porn - ann coulter loves shit, piss and vomit movies - its actually where she got her start - under the name ann queefer - seriously - i do wonder what kind of tastes in movies are floating around in here - im surprised to see so many conservatives and Bush fans on a site like this one - i bet they hated the ending to "no country for old men"
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Feb 06, 2008 3:19:44 AM CST
i really fucking hate running out of room in my subject box
by jimmyjoe redsky
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Because not liking Hillary automatically makes me a christian redneck simpleton. Who loves George Bush. I'm a registered Independent you putz! Fuck BUSH!!! I'm voting Obama!!! If you want 8 more years of the Clintons. Get a time machine and go back to the 90's.
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I can tell my daughter that she lives in a country where little girls can grow up to be president, without running under a name like "George W. Bush".
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You weren't supposed write this response Dramacidal. You said you left. You filthy little monkey. I told you when we first met. Don't FUCK with me!
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Does it even matter in the skeem of the things? We're just words on a screen. Writing insults towards one another. I'm not gonna lose sleep over this, haha!
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Does it even matter in the skeem of things? I meant. Now I made a fool of myself? Nah, I don't care. Because I don't know you in person. So I laugh about it and break dance.
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and it was a joke anyway
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*Hug*
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Damn American Neocons.
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...shouldn't be allowed to vote.
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someone reposted that gibberish that hillarylovesme posted. It was crap and dull to begin with, and it didn't get better on second viewing.
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A few moths ago,I was watching this documentary called F*ck (It's based on the "F" word.)in which her comments are recorded calling some adviser a "Fucking Jew bastard" :O If it's really true, how did she explain her comments? Anyway, I can't believe the crazy shit that has been posted on this thread especially from that chrrissmm guy who is (alledgedly) a low income Black Neo con.eh yeah, sure he's Black, like I'm Mike Huckabee. XD
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Feb 06, 2008 7:33:21 AM CST
....Sigh. Obama did OK, but I hoped for better in California...
by flickapoo
...like a lot of people I have been praying for an AntiBush to come and pull America's head from it's ass and make us clean again. Cleanse us from the shame of eight years of licking Dick Cheney's sphincter. That said, I would really have to hold my nose to vote for Hilary. I've examined myself and I don't think it's the woman thing...Mitt Romnesy bugs me the same way...just want to kick his face. It MIGHT be a mommy issue though...every once and a while my mom would get all holy and sanctimonious and fake, and Hilary Clinton comes of that way...pretty much all the time. That and she is the one thing that could energize the Republicans at this point. And the idea of eight years of the Hilary and Bill show in Washington makes me queasy in the stomach...Sigh....
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...but Obama would beat McCain
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Harry, totally agree with you on Obama. First time in my life I've ever been inspired by a presidental canidate and believe that "we" make a real differents.
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I REALLY liked McCain eight years ago...HATED Bush for swiftboating him in South Carolina (the whole "black daughter" thing). Just not sure we need a Republican at the moment. I'm sure McCain would have done Iraq right the first time, but do we really want to start a 100 year do over now? I don't. Once again...sigh....
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Obamas economic advisor is skull and bones. These folks never stray far from the top. Obama himself is a member of the CFR (a non-governmental, non-elected group, accountable to no nation) whose sole purpose is to bring about world government (i.e. that means no sovereign America).
Did you really expect any "change"? If so, you are in for a rude awakening. Youre gonna get all the "change" you can handle (and then some). Hillary is a Bilderberger, so were fucked either way. Look this up for yourself.
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It annoys me when I hear people complain about having trouble voting at polling places, that their ballots were incomplete and all the rest of the bullshit. Absentee ballots give the added benefit of voting at home, taking our time to choose the best choice and not feel pressured because some other asshole wants to vote behind you.
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That'll be real interesting to see... In 2011!
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Christ/Allah 08!!!!
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than one who chokes on a pretzel and falls over, and thought bombing Auschwitz was a good idea - with the prisoners still in the camp.
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Yep, he's done!
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Too late. Republicans are already terrified of their own weak roster. I voted for Romney, but Huckabee took it, here. I think I'd vote for Obama in the general over McCain or Huckabee. But continue my policy of voting against the Democrats for all the house seats . . . I dunno, no good choices for crazy right wingers like myself, this time around. Of course, there wasn't last time or the time before either, really.
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I can't breathe.
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All the self-righteous assholes who posted in the Heath Ledger is Dead talkback that said he deserved it for killing himself or ODing on hardcore drugs owe his family, friends and fans an apology. Of course, that will never happen as they hide behind the anonymity of their puters and spew venom. Perhaps he did have trouble with drugs, but like Anna Nicole's son, Heath died of a bad combo of regular drugs. It's too bad that he had to resort to meds to battle whatever problems he had, whether physical or mental, but he did not commit suicide and he did not die of Heroin or Cocaine. RIP Heath, you will be missed.
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Hillary will have an uphill battle regardless of who she's running against. McCain, however, is the best opponent for Obama, because the Republicans will trumpet the experience card over and over and over and over and over and over and well you get the idea; they can't do that with Huckabee or Romney.
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Why do the Dems continue to hold to their old school ways and vote the system. This is why the Republicans continue to win, because their base is made up of a bunch of mindless leming political action parties and unions that force them to all think one way. Look at Obama, that guy can actually galvanize a nation and pull in Independants and Republicans, what will Hillary do? She will have every Republican drooling at the aspect to bring up all those tired old Clinton year scandal issues, and it will be dirty politics and that type of vote where you have a "lesser of two evils" and this all just pisses me off. McCain vs. Clinton? Gawd that sounds awful, I will sit that one out.
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I only wish i had your optimism. I am much too cynical to buy into such things.
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Every politician is fake even Obama and if you don't see how fake HE is then you really are suckers for his vision of rainbows and unicorns in America. Hillary voters aren't kidding themselves about what politics are all about. Its not that we believe she's "REAL". We just know she can do the job and play washingtons game. Expecting anything else...well you probably voted for Bush if your that gullible.
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Im independant but strong on defense and the economy, so 9 times out of 10, i vote Republican. If the election becomes McCain vs Clinton then I'm not going to vote - I'll sit it out and then let the rest of the nation choose. Its like watching the Padres play the Marlins: I really couldn't care less who wins as I have no love for either.
and no this isn't a 'lesser of two evils' situation. Its a 'two piles of human excrement' situation and having the choice to eat from Pile A or Pile B, I simply choose to walk away from the table. -
Our national pride is at stake, people. The Chinese are building yachts so huge, I swear you'd think they were cruise ships. And it's not just China; Russia, Mexico, the entire Arabian peninsula -- all achieving wonderful advances in the concentration of wealth and power. That's why it's important for we of the middle class to gladly shoulder even more of the tax burden and support our own disenfranchisement in every way that we can. That's why I'm a proud middle class Republican; that's why I'm voting Romney '08.
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Should it turn out to be an Obama/McCain ticket, even though Obama is pretty left, would you consider him? I mean, considering what Bush has done, could Obama do any worse, and isn't it fun to sometimes shake things up a bit?
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Idealistic. Hopeful. Naive. I had this ridiculous notion that politicians could change things and that good can win out over evil. Then Bush won a second term and I wisened up. Don't make the same mistake I did. Idealists end up shoveling elephant dung at the circus. Stick to reality and make it work the best that it can. Anything else is just ignorance.
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You are the reason that Hillary still has a shot, because all you Eeyore's look at Obama's message and say "It'll never work, I'll just get my hopes up and have them crushed, I don't want to go through pain." What a pussy you are! Man up, take up the charge, is there a chance you will lose and get hurt again, yup! Would it be painful to get so close, only to loose to some old white fart who says "we will be in Iraq for the next 100 years!" oh yes it would. But consider the alternative, consider the possibility of Obama actually winning, what a radical change that would make for the country, for the world! The rest of the world would really be surprised by our choice, they may respect us again, we would respect us again. So stop your belly aching and grumbling, take a stand, try this just once and lets see what we can do.
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Stupid computer. Anywho... I posted this at another site, www.dancarlin.com, an excellent place if you want non-partisan insight. Well... It's how I felt earlier anyhow:
*sigh* I've got to keep positive. I can't even believe how last night went. I hope Obama can get Texas and/or Ohio. I don't know how much more of this I can take. What's worse is, I keep hearing this sort of "wait your turn," thing coming out of the mouths of the Clinton voters, and it just makes me sick. It sounds so damned jaded. In fact, that's all I've heard out of the Clinton camp: tired, old diatribes about how Obama's inspiring, but that doesn't translate into votes. WELL, OBVIOUSLY IT DOES WITH THE PEOPLE WE NEED TO WIN IN NOVEMBER AGAINST MCCAIN!!! The only people holding liberal progressives back are the folks who are supposed to have the penultimate pulse on the movement. Even the statement from Clinton voters about how, "Well I wouldn't mind seeing a Clinton/Obama ticket..." sounds so freaking smug and condescending. It 's like I'm being told that I'm cute and excitable and oh so impetuous... But one day, when I'm a big boy, (and I've learned accepting the consistent, hefty bribes of lobbyists is what really matters in politics) I can stop wearing shortpants, and vote in the candidate most likely to drive our country further down the sinkhole. GRRRRR ARRRGH (that was for you, Spinny.)
But the real problem is, if Obama had to run with Clinton, it could be disastrous anyway. Why? Here' a quick rundown of scenarios:
1) Obama has a decision to make. If he says, "Thanks, but no thanks." He won't look integral to many of those Clinton voters. It'll look like he's eating a big bowl of sour grapes. Automatically, that means that he will never be able to run as a candidate in the Democratic Primary again-- UNLESS Clinton loses in November to McCain. (In that case, we may not even get to 2012, because we'll probably have already started a one-sided nuclear exchange with Iran.)
2) He says, "Okay, Hilldawg. Let's do it. (sigh) 'Yes... we can.' I guess... If we have to." Then, all of the sudden, the goodwill Obama had with Reagan Dems, young Republicans, and many independents, goes right out the friggin' window. McCain takes those votes. They fight hard. But with a demoralized Obama base taking their consolation prize, and NOT TO THE STREETS, and every Reagan coalition member getting itchy feet to kiss, make up, and keep Hillary out of the White House, they lose in November.
3) Even if they win, they have four years of frustration and gridlock. If they're lucky they'll maintain their Congressional seats (even though Congress, thanks to Bush's veto pen, has a lower approval rating than Bush, himself.) They get two years of rabid neo-cons on the attack. Republicans do every nasty, needling, Rovian trick in the book to keep them from getting what they want, and go for a big mid-term election win to take back Congress, effectively nullifying the Clinton/Obama administration.
4) Even if 1, 2, and 3 don't happen, we still have Bill: the proverbial bull in the china shop. He can't keep his mouth shut, or his fly zipped. He consistently does embarassing, stupid things that get big headlines, and undermine whatever accomplishments the administration have managed. In fact, just like Hillary did with Gore, Bill decides he'd be a better VP than Obama. After all, who's a better Vice President than a former President? They lock horns over and over again, leaving Obama looking marginalized. Of course, the Republicans are still after them, so this is all just fodder, leading to either a huge win in 2012 or 2016. Either way, Obama is burned just like Gore. Even though he's the natural choice for the next guy in line, he never gets to be President.
I know this looks bleak, and I'll admit I'm making "worst case" arguments here. But this is the very real threat. Which is why I'm fighting so hard for my guy Obama. Because I don't want another 4-16 years of ugly American politics to have to mop up after. -
I respect John McCain and he is without doubt a guy with balls but why is it every time I see him, I get that feeling he is just like Martin Sheen as the president in The Dead Zone starting a nuclear war after waking up in the middle of the night because "God told him to".
Creepy and not the right choice at this time. Sorry. -
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by Ashok0 Feb 5th, 2008
06:57:03 PM
Oops sorry my bad, maybe all those meanies who are suicide bombing children in the Middle East aren't Muslim. Maybe they are mid-eastern Scientologists or something --- altho I could have sworn they were mostly Allah fans as opposed to fans of Lord Xulu. " based on your logic, everytime someone bombs a clinic, kills an abortion doctor, PROTESTS AMERICAN SOLDIERS FUNERALS (ever hear of the Westboro Baptist Church or 'God Hates Fags Church' ? they are a baptist church by the way), evertime a priest molests a child. EVERYTIME THAT SOME FANATICAL RELIGIOUS CHRISTIAN DOES SOMETHING IN THE NAME OF GOD, THE HEADLINE SHOULD READ "CHRISTIAN MOLESTS CHILD" OR "CHRISTIANS BOMB CLINIC". that is ok by you? you are basically taking the actions of a few radical minorities of a particular religion and generalizing it. you do realize Muslim is the largest religion in the world?
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Feb 06, 2008 10:33:53 AM CST
Obama v. McCain = Obama wins; Billary v. McCain = McCain wins
by spyguy
That's your general election right there. Even though they're all over the place now, nothing will unify the Republicans and Independents faster than the looming threat of CLINTONS PART 2: CLINTON BOOGALOO.
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I put this challenge to Barack Obama. If you really do care about leading this nation and fixing everything Bush broke, then put your ego and pride aside and run as VP. You'll do a lot more good than going back to Illinois and sulking. You will indeed change the nation.
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Otherwise have to e-mail that challenge to him.
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DNC/GOP....all the same.
Control, expand, welfare, warfare, self interest and oppression.
Jefferson would be appalled at what this country has become, where people use the legitimacy of government to rob their neighbor and attack their brothers.
Even Adams would cringe at what the Federal Government has become.
And YOU folks want to Vote for more of it?
Take your pick...Stalin or Hitler...the only difference is the rhetoric...the outcome is the same.
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Oh, the futility.
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...it would take the shine right off him. I support Obama, but on paper he and Clinton are pretty much the same...what he brings is a big breath of fresh air...eight years of being vice vice president caught in an unholy Hilary and Bill sandwitch will kill everything he stands for.
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that there are people out there who would vote for Monica Lewinsky's Ex-Boyfriend's Wife.
There are four people who actually scare me - 1) George W. Bush - Who looks at the American people and basically says "What the f@ck you gonna do about it?" 2) Cheney - Besides looking like the Penguin from Batman, he has a mechanical heart (which is a microprocessor controlling the fully armored hyper-alloy combat chassis) 3) Rove - Evil. Pure Evil. Made entirely of the stuff from Time Bandits...4) Hillary - Rove with a bigger penis. I can not vote for a woman who would support her husband and accept infidelity. Also, Chinese investors... not a good thing... I do not think there is ONE thing she would not do in order to get to the White House. How very Republican of her.
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Why are you keeping the brother down? Just because you believe that Clinton has the force and power to win, that Barack does not? I agree with Lovecraftian, the Clinton campaign is full of old timers who look at Obama supporters as cute little kids who don't understand the big bad world yet. Screw THAT! Those attitudes are what kept the civil rights movement from happening earlier (wait your turn, the world isn't ready yet) and it is the same BS approach that is scared to rock the boat simply because you want to calculate odds instead of believing in something that has merit and real change. Look, politically, and on most issues, you won't see a big difference between Hillary and Obama, so Hillary touts her "experience" But I read that and see "experience" as "my lobbyist friends will pay me lots of money to do favors for them". I call shenanigans on that, take a look at this article, I think it is pretty good read http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf
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he would overshadow her... she wouldn't let that happen and obama doesn't need hillary as vp to win. obama/edwards is more likely.
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Feb 06, 2008 10:57:53 AM CST
FLICKAPOO - OBAMA SHOULD TAKE A PAGE FROM CHENEY'S PLAYBOOK
by bringingsexyback
Does anyone think Cheney cares whether he's VP or Prez? Nope. All he had was a nefarious agenda and placed himself in a position to pursue it. If he could do it as Bush's janitor, he'd do it. He despises the office of the Vice Presidency beause he actually has to speak once in a while.
So Obama can learn something from that. If he sees himself as truly a public servant, then the VP slot is nearly as good as the top spot. Given the state of the nation and the support he has so far garnered, he will be very powerful in the role. -
Feb 06, 2008 11:00:49 AM CST
Spazatronic 2000, I guess Muslim terrorists never...
by classyfredblassy
bomb anyone, huh? Those dudes got it pretty easy. Blow up anyone with a different religion than them, tell the world that you are going to do it, laugh about it when it happens, then watch left wing moonbats blame everyone but the killers who set off the bombs. They got it made, I tell ya.
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I'm not counting Obama out yet but look at yesterday's results. Clinton is ahead, and one should consider the possibilities if/when she wins the nom. Just being practical. My eye is on the ball - the ball being to wrest the WH from the Republicans, fix all the problems.
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...last night was basically a draw and three states vote on Saturday, all of which look good for Obama. He is ahead in Washington St., Louisiana should favor him demographically, and Nebraska looks promising since he performed so well in nearby plains and mountain states.......the big news story is that last night was a draw, so if he sweeps three states on Saturday that should put him back on the ass kicking seat.
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If you're right and Obama pulls it off, I will gladly vote for him. And I also believe he wouldn't need Clinton as a running mate to take the WH too. As much as I am a Clinton supporter (and being in NY, it's not like my vote's gonna sway anyway), I like Obama. No matter what, it is critical that the next President is able to undo the damage done in the last 8 years.
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I don't believe the CIA was involved with 9/11 but I do think the NeoCons were culpable in deliberately not preventing it from happening. Something's not right about that day.
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That is what worries me, when you get those two politicians competing, the sides become blurry. Yes McCain is the war guy, but he is also seen as a moderate who works a lot with the Dems, and that might sway independants. Now compare Obama and McCain and you see radical differences, just in terms of Obama's youth and passion, jeez can McCain even survive 4 years in office? I think Obama makes a much more compelling choice for independants and undecideds, than another term with the Clinton's, something that seems familiar and a bit worn out.
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Seriously. Be curious to hear who you think brought the WTC down, too.
"....your impending rude awakening.......
by redhankyspanky Feb 6th, 2008
08:43:13 AM
Obamas economic advisor is skull and bones. These folks never stray far from the top. Obama himself is a member of the CFR (a non-governmental, non-elected group, accountable to no nation) whose sole purpose is to bring about world government (i.e. that means no sovereign America). Did you really expect any "change"? If so, you are in for a rude awakening. Youre gonna get all the "change" you can handle (and then some). Hillary is a Bilderberger, so were fucked either way. Look this up for yourself. Then have a nice day."
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Just because you are a Republican does NOT mean that you are a nut. There are, as I see it, five groups that make the Republican party home. There are the Big Business Republicans (Romney), the Small Business Republicans. The Libertarian branch (Paul), the Moderate branch (McCain), and the Evangelical Branch (Huckabee). It's tempting to throw national security apologists in there, but that's an issue accepted by all the R branches, which is why the Dems will NEVER win on that issue. If this election has shown us anything it's that the Evangelical branch does not control the party. If the evangelical voters were nearly as mindless as you all tend to think Huckabee would be running away with this this thing. I was talking this over with my sister, who falls into the Ev. camp and she was torn between McCain and Huckabee. She ended up voting for McCain because she didn't think that Huckabee realized that he had to be President of everyone, not just the Christians.
Now people will think that the only way that McCain is winning is not because Republicans are rallying around him, but because Romney and Huckabee are splitting that arch-conservative vote. Thats the conventional wisdom. BUT if you look more closely at the numbers, that doesn't stack up. The majority of Huckabee voters second choice in Florida was McCain. In states with military bases, which there are a lot, that seems to be the case.
I think what were seeing is people rejecting pundit opinions of any particular candidate. Listen, I'm all for opinion, but lets have it take the form of civil debate. I think my ideas are correct, and if they are correct then they will stand up in said debate.
These pundits seem to think that they need to shrink the party into just accepting people and candidates with the same mono track minds. I say bring back the big tent party. Theres room for a Liberal Republican and a Blue Dog Dem. Bring back the big tent. Theres room for Marc Cherry and Lincoln Chaffey in my party. Pundits be damned. -
But what I don't understand how liberals refuse to admit there are some HUGE problems caused in the world today by radical Islam, while they jump at the chance to slam western folks for their religious beliefs. You are one of the few folks on that side who say you are all fucked up. Example: Overhead some very liberal folks from Chapel Hill lamenting that america is too racist or there are too many bigots to elect a black man or a woman. Then they spend the next 10 minutes ripping Mormons. There you have it.
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Bill Richardson is a solid pick for VP...Edwards is overrated. He'll drag down the ticket.
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Aside from the overall "cute kids" vibe Flickapoo, and I are talking about (Thanks Flickapoo!--
I'm 33, and find that whole "cute" thing really insulting), and the fact that one could make the same argument to Hillary about stepping down seeing as how absolutely broad and inspring Barack's appeal is, my eye IS on the prize. The White House is waaaay to important for me to give up to McCain. And even though I'M FROM CHICAGO, and my opinion is also unlikely to sway, I WILL vote for Hillary if it comes down to it. The problem is that many, MANY independents, young Republicans, and even Reagan Democrats, will just be turned off by Hillary. I heard it put best by someone else at another site. I'm paraphrasing but, it basically came down to the idea that a lot who'd otherwise vote for Obama probably won't vote for Hillary, and all of the Hillary camp will vote for Obama. So, when asked what the difference is, since their records are pretty close to the same, it comes down to two things, inspiration and electability. I have one other issue. But I don't like fighting over petty things within the family. :) -
Sorry, man, credit where credit is due. SO THANKS YOU MEL YOU SEXY ASS MOTHER FUCKER! I guess I was just typing too fast. But, Flickapoo, you are still cool in my book and on my X-mas e-card spreadsheet.
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Search youtube for a video called ten types of republians.
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As he said, look it up for yourself. No, you won't because you're afraid that he could be right, which he is.
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Did you not type the following:
"Well I wouldn't mind seeing a Clinton/Obama ticket..." sounds so freaking smug and condescending. It 's like I'm being told that I'm cute and excitable and oh so impetuous... But one day, when I'm a big boy, (and I've learned accepting the consistent, hefty bribes of lobbyists is what really matters in politics) I agree with that sentiment, and it is what bugs me about Clinton's campaigners. But I didn't start the "cute" comment. Just to clarify. -
Bloomberg may still jump into the fray and he is pretty much an independent moderate who has done some amazing things. I could see him asking Ron Paul to be his running mate and we'd maybe have a serious third party shot, the first since before Perot dropped out (and then came back.) I don't know if they could win, but (good or bad) they would probably take more votes from McCain than from the Dems.
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I'm talking about large groups of voters. Not cartoon characters who blow up demographics for comic foil.
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Sorry... No I agree with your position. I was just referring to this, "I agree with Lovecraftian, the Clinton campaign is full of old timers who look at Obama supporters as cute little kids who don't understand the big bad world yet." I was just saying that you were the first person to share that sentiment regarding how we are treated right after I posted. Meaning I just wanted to give you credit for sympathizing with me. I'm sorry. Maybe I'm not being very clear with my posts.
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I think that out of all the candidates he seems to have the most character. I know others will point to McCain's war record, but he seems too mean-spoirited for my tastes, something like the republican version of Hillary. Anywho, here's hoping...
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I think I misunderstood your post as well. No worries. The important thing is that more of these traditional Democrats open up to the very real possibility that Obama can not only win the Dem ticket, but more importantly the White House as well. Here is the crazy thing, with the delegate count seemingly split, and let's say Obama has a huge weekend and takes WA, LO, and KS, he will still be splitting a lot of delegates with Clinton. So what happens at the convention, how do they decide? This is where the horse trading begins, but the scary part to me is, this is where the Clinton's shine because they start strong arming all their old political buddies and muscling in for favors to get their way. Frankly I am shocked that good old Teddy Kennedy jumped aboard the Obama train, but it was important that he did, he needed to provide air cover for those Dems too scarred to go against Clinton. I don't know who said it, but I think it is true, if you go against the Red Queen, you better make sure she is dead when you are done, otherwise you may find your head up on a block once she gets back her throne. It wouldn't surprise me if Hillary and Bill are using those types of threats to pull in their favors, yikes!
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The Dems seem to have an edge no matter what over the Reps. The Democratic base seem to be more in line this time around than the Republicans (who seem to be tearing themselves apart at the moment). I voted Obama, but if Hillary wins the party's nomination...I can't say I would bitch too much! Both policies don't seem to differ greatly, other than a few foreign policies that is. The republican base (traditionally conservatives) are screaming bloody murder that McCain seems to be the front runner, and Huckabee looks to be this years spoiler for the conservatives. Basically, if you're fairly moderate to slightly liberal you really have to love the situation you're in! McCain and Clinton are already battle tested...there really isn't anything new to throw at them that we haven't already heard! Obama is the wild card...this election's Maverick. It's gonna be a fun one!
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Seriously. http://tinyurl.com/2unev7
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http://kingofbash.blogspot.com/
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I see a McCain/Huckabee ticket coming soon. McCain is gonna swoop up Huckabee, look at the way they talk, and this will bring all his conservative and evangelical power. McCain can then sway a lot of independants, and even though he is old, I still think he looks like a more "likeable" candidate than Hillary. In my opinion, I think Obama is the candidate that can bring down that Repub ticket. Hillary vs. McCain just looks like two old school politicians, and I see a lot of the middle ground staying home and not voting, and that ultimately hurts Clinton. Obama will energize the voting base and bring a lot of numbers to the polls, that is what he brings, and why he is important. Plus, even though many of their policies are similar, I frankly trust Obama a lot more than I trust Hillary. Her record with Bill in terms of campaign finance, and relationships with a lot of shady characters never sat well with me. Is she for the little guy or not? Is she fighting for universal health care, or taking money from big pharma companies, what is the deal there.
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eerie similarities
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"Redhanky: What brand of tin foil do you use for your hat?"
What did I state that wasnt true, cock? Prove me wrong. His cabinet members are members of those groups.
Did I offend your little dream of "hope" and "change"? And the best you have is a crack at "conspiracy" labels?
Try again, you intellectual weakling. I guess since youre voting for a "black" man, that makes you "progressive"?
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The shit that comes out of both of them sounds pretty close.
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"As he said, look it up for yourself. No, you won't because you're afraid that he could be right, which he is."
These folks never check for themselves, they let the talking heads tell them the facts. Hence the term "sheeple". Its funny, all these Obama supporters who dont really know who their candidate surrounds himself with. When told that his foreign policy advisor actually created "al-queda", they just stare blankly. When informed that his economic policy advisor is a member of GWBs secrete society "skull and bones", they dont believe (but they still wont look for themselves). They stick blindly to their partisan politics, and resort to petty name calling (without making a single argument to the contrary). Its about all this simpleton is capable of.
I didnt mention 911 (in that post), but its clear he throws his cards in with the official account. Which makes him the "Larry the Cable Guy" of political commentary.
Still, you gotta pity the poor guy, hoping blindly for "change". We should all want some, after the last 7 years. But to blindly stick your head in the sand isnt change, its stupidity. This egocentonic thinking is whats facilitating the erosion of what America stands for.
Questioning authority is the American way. Dissent is patriotic. This simpleton doesnt like being called out for supporting a charlatan. Who can blame him. But he has to learn for himself. But what are the odds of that? -
the same person wins whether you vote or not...your vote means as much as any other individual vote, which is nothing. And if everyone felt that way, this would be a different world. Sorry in this world, the real world, your choice doesn't matter or mean anything except to you.
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...I'm willing to bet that you probably get your "politics" from the likes of PrisonPlanet, Alex Jones, and Dylan "I'll get it right on the 4th try" Avery.Yeah.Fuck you.
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"I'm willing to bet that you probably get your "politics" from the likes of PrisonPlanet, Alex Jones, and Dylan "I'll get it right on the 4th try" Avery."
you got me all figured out, huh? Wrong. Try again, douche. Mustve hit a nerve, I smell an Obama fan.
I actually research the candidates, I know thats radical thinking. Not all of us are content to rest with the facts given to us by FOX news (some folks seem to be content with someone that looks good in a suit). So that makes me a conspiracy theorist?
Fuck you right back.
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Thats two straight jabs at "conspiracy nut" action. Dont like the fact that I know more about "your" candidate than you? You dont like that I have to point out that hes a globalist? You should have done your homework.
What a bunch of pussies.
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It is interesting to hear so-called experts talk about Islam and Muslims as if they know anything about the subject. I only say that because I am a Muslim and these terms such as Islamofacism, Al-Qaeda in [insert nation you want to bomb], Jihadist et al simply do not make sense. Yet these terms are continuously thrust upon the general populace to create fear.
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Really? FOX News? Obama? Stop it kid, you're killing me here.But please feel free to tell all of us how participating in the very process America was founded on means nothing.
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Perhaps we dont care about Muslims or Palestinian or Iraqis. However, something is wrong when a government places the needs of a foreign power over that of their own people...
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You found that Obama's economic advisor was part of Skull and Bones (lemme guess, from Goolsbee?) and so now that means that Obama must be secretly working in cahoots with some secret cabal of rich financial elitists who want to unite the world under a "New World Order." Further you point out that one, note that ONE, of Obama's foreign policy advisors is Robert Malley, whose father was Syrian and had some ties to Araffat. That is a far cry from "creating Al Qaeda." The fact is, in politics, everyone has a record, everyone has networked and connected with groups and politicians that have connections with other groups and politicians who have shady pasts and agendas. But to try and assert that somehow this taints Obama as some Global Unifying Anti-Christ or Anti-Zionist Cult leader is just insanity redhanky. You draw such loose connections, and then fill in the blanks with conjecture and conspiracies, that is what makes you a tin foil hat wearer. You can make those same compelling arguments for nearly every leader we have had, yet the more you peel back these conspiracies, you find they are full of holes and subjective conclusions. Why wouldn't the national news be carrying such stories? Is it because they love Obama and are conspiring to get him elected? Well they have no problem telling the story of Rezko and his shady dealings. No the reality is, the ideas and theories you are promoting are so far fetched and so impossibly wild, that no legitimate news agency would publish this because it reeks of paranoia and irrationality.
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Feb 06, 2008 1:49:05 PM CST
It mean nothing when a government does not listen to the PEOPLE
by darfurontherocks
It also means nothing when the government lies to the people. When the nation wants out of Iraq and the president and congress do not listen to what the people want, then it is clear that elections are a thin facade designed to con the people into thinking that they have agency over their community.
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Exxon posted profits of 33 billion a couple of quarters ago.... Wouldn't you be paranoid about your government?
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"But please feel free to tell all of us how participating in the very process America was founded on means nothing" - where did I state that? Thats all you, baby. Dont twist my words.
I just pointed out that your candidate isnt as virtuous as some would believe. That just maybe hes got ties to the same organizations as the Bush crime syndicate.
And for that I get called a "tin foil" nut job? Is that the best you got. Deal with it and look for yourself, if you dont like it. Until then you can stick with small minded insults.
"Really? FOX News? Obama? Stop it kid, you're killing me here." - get back -
I'll tell ya, I used to consider myself a Progressive. AKA Ultra-Liberal. But now I'm very moderate, as you probably detect. On some issues I'm highly Conservative too. I can't speak for anyone else here, but on both sides of the aisle, there's a broad spectrum of thinking.
Yes, some Libs don't see the danger in radical Islam, whereas I certainly do. I think they're keenly more aware / knowledgable of their own (country's) foibles than those of others, which - whether true or not - is limited thinking.
I don't view Iran as the demonic threat that the NeoCons would have us believe (in part because I know their desire to confront Iran has more to do with protecting Israel than safeguarding ourselves), but I do know that radical elements in that society are not going to do us - or them - any favors by taking hardline positions.
Now take Turkey for instance. The vast majority of Turks are moderate Muslims who want to maintain a secular state. But the government is slowly trying to introduce Islamist values on the socio-political system. And people are fighting back; they are protesting. They DO NOT want religion being the mandate on how to live their lives, and surely they see the potential danger given examples of the Taliban in Afghanistan and elsewhere.
So to my Progressive brothers and sisters I say, yes, America has problems. But the rest of the world is far from innocent. We have tortured and we need to make amends and correct that, but beheading and slaughtering innocent people is exponentially more evil. Although some don't believe we are great examples to the world, it is inevitable that the world sees us as such. And with that responsibility, let's lead by example. And let's not be afraid of looking at the faults of others (and yes, radical Islam is a severe fault) and help them.
I'm not advocating the continued occupation of Iraq, but I do see it important that that country does not fall to Al Qaeda or other terrorist organizations. And to do that (and the military agrees), we need smart diplomacy and strategic partnerships. -
Where and when did I say he was my candidate? I did not inject my politics/positions into this Talkback. Nor did I call you a "tin-foil nut job" (though you are increasingly starting to sound like one). So far, your powers of observation are less than impressive.
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"You found that Obama's economic advisor was part of Skull and Bones (lemme guess, from Goolsbee?) and so now that means that Obama must be secretly working in cahoots with some secret cabal of rich financial elitists who want to unite the world under a "New World Order." - hey I just stated the fucking guy was skull and bones. You wrote the rest.
"You draw such loose connections" - No, I didnt. I stated facts about two people in his inner circle. YOU drew the connections. You came pretty close, until you chose to deny what your intuition told you.
I found it entertaining that you would so lavishly embellish my few words into such a broad scope. Please, feel free to continue drawing conclusions....
"But to try and assert that somehow this taints Obama as some Global Unifying Anti-Christ or Anti-Zionist Cult leader is just insanity redhanky." - again, you make the case.
"the ideas and theories you are promoting are so far fetched and so impossibly wild" - Hmm, I remember being very brief. Your post is long and colorful.
Finally, no you CANT make those claims for all politicians. most maybe. But Im talking about Obama here.
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are not an insult. By the way you namedrop them you apparently want everyone to think that even bringing them up is an insult. But the truth is, Alex Jones is a better American than Sean 'Towing the party line without fail' Hannity could ever dream of being.
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You are making some pretty large accusations, regarding Obama and his belief in a global agenda from some super secret cabal of evil doers. As such, it would behove you to prove your point with actual links to factual based reports, and not blogs that use suspicion and conjecture to make a point. Telling us all how well you "researched" this is worth nothing if you don't back it up with proof. The burden is on your shoulders to explain your claims and provide evidence, we all await your backed up claims with bated breath. But my guess is we will most likely get conspiracy fueled rants and insult laden posts instead, ah well.
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"Islamofascism", which as you can see, I don't use. It was coined, literally, in the offices of the Weekly Standard, the home of the NeoCon Brain(less) Trust. And it was coined for the purpose of instilling fear - to make a subconcious association between Islam/Muslims and Terrorism/Fascism. And you know what? If it weren't for the Internet and the free exchange of opinions among everyone (including you, and your Muslim background), they may have been effective. But thank goodness we are no longer easy prey. At least those of us who actually think about what we hear.
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Obama over Hillary. She does not know the meaning of the word truth. I'm probably voting Republican this year, but we'll wait to see who the final candidates are first.
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"Where and when did I say he was my candidate? I did not inject my politics/positions into this Talkback." Nor did I. I simply stated a few facts about Obama, that a few people apparently couldnt process, so they resort to "fuck you".
Then again its a movie message board, I suppose. Id probably get a better debate on whether Greedo shot first. I shouldnt complain when the only intellectual discourse is "fuck you" or "you like alex jones" (?)
...."So far, your powers of observation are less than impressive."....based on exactly what? Exactly what profound wisdom did you proclaim that I somehow missed? The "fuck you" part?
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FYI: There is no separation because religion and state in Islam. The idea that "radical" Islam seeks to amalgamate the state is a common myth perpetuated by the so-called experts. Granted, we ALL have problems. Unfortunately, elements of the West are too much focused on the Islamic world and not enough on their own issues. The reason is simple: They do not care about freedom, democracy etc... They care about wealth. This is an element of the West mind you, not everyone.
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I do think Clinton can beat Obama. And really, it's not out of personal preference - I'd vote either one for Prez. But America is easily manipulated by political campaign machinations. That's just the truth. Masses of Americans are easily influenced. And because Clinton has a short lead, she can possibly win it, if her campaign is effective is getting enough votes in the remaining states. But again, I don't view Obama through negative lenses. If he pulls it off, I'd totally back him against McCain.
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"Well I wouldn't mind seeing a Clinton/Obama ticket..." sounds so freaking smug and condescending. It 's like I'm being told that I'm cute and excitable and oh so impetuous... But one day, when I'm a big boy, (and I've learned accepting the consistent, hefty bribes of lobbyists is what really matters in politics) Okay redhanky, so what were you implying by your post, simply that Obama was linked to S&B? If that is all, then who cares. But I think you meant to infer more, of course now you are retreating back and claiming you never said anything. Okay, fine, then I guess there really isn't a problem with Obama, right? Because based upon his policies and plans for his presidancy, I see a candidate who wants to offer a lot of change. Now if you have evidence to the contrary, please produce it, otherwise I am not sure what we are talking about.
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Would you call Islam a theocratic system?
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"The burden is on your shoulders to explain your claims and provide evidence, we all await your backed up claims with bated breath. But my guess is we will most likely get conspiracy fueled rants and insult laden posts instead, ah well." - I dont have to prove jack shit. I stated a fact, not a "rant". And you came back with "fuck you". If you want to look for yourself, or continue on in the bubble youre cruising around in, i could give a flying fuck at a rolling donut. Stay ignorant (of these facts) if you choose.
His economic advisor is skull and bones. He, himself, is CFR. His foreign policy advisor is Zbigniew "al-queda" Bzrezinski. Those are fucking facts, big guy. I suggest you do a little research of your own, on your own. Im not gonna hold your hand.
The only difference is, now you cant say you werent told. Go vote for him is you want to feel progressive. get some o'that "change"! -
They said Kurt Russell was laughing at all the funny little hats. Harry, you are wrong wrong wrong. There is no obligation to vote. Please, people...stay home. Sit at your desk and watch the flares over Phoenix on utube. Ponder why NASA decided to fake the moon landings five MORE times. See if you can figure out the secret Mason handshake. But whatever you do kiddies, please: DO NOT ROCK THE VOTE!
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No I agree, Clinton can beat Obama, that isn't my concern, my concern is that she won't beat a McCain/Huckabee ticket. I could be wrong, but that is my gut feeling right now. I do, however, think Obama could beat McCain, for reasons that I have made all over this board. I think you and I just differ on whether we believe Hillary can truly win the big one.
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Personally, I find both Alex Jones and Sean Hannity to be insulting. They have made a career/cottage industry out of fear, paranoia, and distorted information.
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"so what were you implying by your post, simply that Obama was linked to S&B? If that is all, then who cares." - It looks like you dont. Sleep easy, big guy! But when the brand of "change" you get isnt to your liking, dont say you werent warned.
"Because based upon his policies and plans for his presidancy, I see a candidate who wants to offer a lot of change.
Now if you have evidence to the contrary, please produce it, otherwise I am not sure what we are talking about." Yes, I know. You choose to back a politician based on words. Simply words. The man has no record to help OR hurt him, so youre going by words. If that floats your boat, great. A politicians promises dont hold much water with me, but thats just me. The company a politician keeps speaks louder than empty words to me.
But hey, think and do what you want. Keep on hoping and dreaming.
Its been fun, gotta roll........
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Hmm??? Two people connected with his campaign also have ties to some spurious groups. AND??? That means nothing unless you believe, which I think it is obvious that you do, that these connections will influence and/or direct his policy making. However, since you know you can't make that claim, you are now backing off of your original point, and just trying to say "Alls I did was point out a fact? Don't know why everyone is yellin'???" No redhanky, what you did was impugn and question the motives and policies of a candidate. That's fine, you have every right to do this, but if you are going to make such claims, you have to back that up with reasoned and objective evidence. What you are saying now is simply, "hey, all I did was point out a fact, believe what you want" in that pussy like 'I know better than you' manner that you have. Well good for you, you win, you pointed out a fact that essentially means nothing, WOOPEEE! Why don't I go look up some random facts about 911, The Moon Landing, Pearl Harbor, and every other historical event or leader that had questions swirling around them. I can bring up a lot of questions too, but not say anything, YAY!
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I like Obama as much as the next guy (probably more). But this idea of "change" you guys seem to hold so dear simply conjures up the image of a minnow pushing against the bow of the Queen Mary.
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It isn't a conspiracy if it is a fact. FOR EXAMPLE...
A conspiracy is "War Profiteering is genetic!!! Just ask George W. Bush". We don't know for sure... that it is genetic.
A fact is that Grandaddy Prescott Bush made money by cozing up with the Nazi's. W's inheritance? Nazi Money... W has made a lot of money for his buddies by killing more Americans than the terrorists.
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I dislike Bush as much as the next guy. But I think there is more than enough crap that W has done to criticize him without drawing in Nazi inheritance money as a drawback. When you pull in these stories, it doesn't do much but sound like more conspiracy theories.
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This line of reasoning is so stupid it is beneath contempt.
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It may SOUND like a conspiracy theory, but it's the truth. So get over your own bias against incidents in American history that you personally find hard to digest. Operation Paperclip insured that many Nazi murderers were never prosecuted for war crimes simply because they were brilliant scientists. America gave them work and protection!!!
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A theocracy usually has a ruler who is God's representative on Earth (Pope, A King...) A Muslim ruler does not have any power invested in him so to speak. He cannot absolve anyone of their transgressions (No one but God can in Islam). As such a tyrant can be deposed without the populace fearing that they are attack and agent of God. This is an important note though: Currently, there are NO Islamic states. A lot of dictators and tyrants claim that their patch of land is run on Islamic principles (Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc...) However, these individuals are merely dictators looking to control their masses.
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The term "theory" applies when you start attributing motive to these "facts". Apparently, 72% of the talkbackers here have a hotline to god (ironically, just like the neo-cons they hate) who tells them exactly why Dubya has done what he has done.
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The facts, that so many present, may indeed be true, but when you use these as evidence that "therefore W is a Nazi loving murderer" or "therefore Obama will lead our country under the banner of a New World Order that will give power to a secret organization or fraternal order" than you taking the facts and making a leap of judgement. That is when it becomes a "theory."
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Feb 06, 2008 2:52:17 PM CST
The Problem Arises Though When GW's Rationale Does not Make Sens
by darfurontherocks
I think that this is where the theories originate. Case in point is the reasons for Iraqi Invasion. I will not go into it, but they make no sense... Hence we have theories ranging from Oil to Israel to Crusades....
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it means nothing - except maybe guys join this 'club' knowing that if you are a member it will help you advance in a business or political career later in life - most if not all s&b members have gone on to achieve successful careers in business/big industry and or politics - its a frat for climbers, thats all
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And he did well for himself also.
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Obama= more states + more votes + more delegates. I'd say last night is a "win" for the Obama camp. Hillary can and will try to spin it, but fact is Obama is closing the gap and the next 6 states in a row over the next week look very very good for Obama.
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i coulda swore he was bald and had pointy shti coming out of his arms.
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Technically, Bonesman #69.
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Yes he was a Mortal Kombat character. And Darfur, the only thing is, whatever Bush believed were his reasons for going to Iraq, you have to remember that both the House and the Senate agreed. Dem and Repub. Hillary says that the CIA Director told them all he would bet his job that there were WMD's. So the real question is, was he lying? Was he misinformed, or was he pressured politically by Bush? Cause that is the main reason, publically, that we went. The fallout after that was we were wrong about WMD's. So did the NeoCons force the issue with weak evidence, or did they knowingly go to war with "no evidence whatsoever" for other reasons. That is the question, and as you say, those other reasons are many and varied.
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Islam is a topic I.ve never known much about but am interested in learning more of, I know that there was a historical caliphate, I know it is the dource of derision between sunnii and shia, is it the source behind the claims of the Saudis and Ahmedinjad (sp?).
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The reasons for the Iraq invasion are obvious. Basically there is a "theory" that democratic nations simply do not go to war with each other. The invasion is an attempt to depose a tyrant (done), assure the halt of WMD production (done, temporarily at least), and instill a democratic government (doubtful, but just maybe worth a shot).
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The issue is not (or at least should not have been) whether or not he had WMD's, but rather whether we could KNOW if he had them. Whether or not he would use them if he had them or when he got them was already answered.
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And Angelina could have been.
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"Excuse me while I whip this out..."
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Oil. No don't think i'm a crazy lefty. I'm an independent. Here is why i'm not surprised were so involved in the Middle East. Our economy is heavily dependent on Oil. Wars have mostly have been fought over resources.
If our economy was heavily dependent on bananas and the South American had the highest production of bananas, we would be heavily involved in shaping the region to favor our policies.
Saddam gave Bush plenty of reasons to use against him in the case for war. But Iraq under heavy American influence is a balance against the oil producing, Anti-American Iran and Chavez controlled Venezuela. That is why we need to be Energy independent. America needs to create the next Great energy source.
By the way, Exxon is only speeding up their own death. The high cost gas and the insane profits of the Exxon are causing people take a serious look at other forms of energy. As a result, alternative energy system will come to the markets sooner and cheaper. Toyota can’t keep up with the demand for it’s Hybrid cars. Peace.
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"Hmm??? Two people connected with his campaign also have ties to some spurious groups. AND??? That means nothing unless you believe, which I think it is obvious that you do, that these connections will influence and/or direct his policy making.
However, since you know you can't make that claim, you are now backing off of your original point, and just trying to say "Alls I did was point out a fact? Don't know why everyone is yellin'???" No redhanky, what you did was impugn and question the motives and policies of a candidate." Youre goddamned right I questioned his motives. Im not some naive fuck thats going to make my decisions based on promises and talk . And I havent "backed off" my stance one bit, fuckwit.
........"What you are saying now is simply, "hey, all I did was point out a fact, believe what you want" in that pussy like 'I know better than you' manner that you have....." I know better than you? I just stated a fact you didnt like (not even directed at you), and you took it personally with "you like alex jones, fuck you".....as for "pussy-like way", well everybody on the internet is a tough guy in a pussy-like way. Including you, tough guy.
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What is the difference? I think it is implied that if the CIA makes the case that SH had WMD's, then they are saying they KNOW that he had them. Unless you are saying that the Govt. agreed they could never KNOW for sure and went anyway. If that is the case, than that really is F-ed up, but if I am a Congressman, even a Democratic, and the Central Intelligence Agency promises me that they have overwhelming evidence that a mad man dictator has WMD's and is actively trying to sell them or hand them to terrorists, then I probably would have gone along. But then what about Korea, how is poor ronry Kim any different...ahhh ya know what, never mind, I have to go back to work, I have had this discussion so many times I just don't care anymore. The war was messed up, there is no denying that, jumping the gun on foreign affairs by bullying the rest of the world is clearly wrong. As much as I don't want to be talked down to by France, we all need to accept that we blew it (literally) and should have let the UN worked for more talks and inspections. It is not our job to depose dictators the world round, unless we want to be global police.
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"if you are going to make such claims, you have to back that up with reasoned and objective evidence." I stated a fucking fact, not a claim. Just because you cant handle the implications , deosnt make it untrue.
"I can bring up a lot of questions too, but not say anything, YAY!" - You havent really said much of anything yet. Just a little name calling, and demands that I provide proof of something you were oblivious of in the first place. -
Cause you bring up some "facts" make some claims, and then won't back them up with any proof. Provide me some links or evidence that Obama is a politician that desires to turn the keys of our country over to a New World Order. Explain how he is going to do that, and why he wants to do that. Explain to me why his aid, who may have something to do with Syrian's, is a terrorist who created Al Qaeda and what the even means? If you can't do that, then shut the fuck up. As for taking it personally, nope, just pointing out lunacy when I see it. Do I like Obama, sure, as a candidate I think he is my pick for now. Do I think he is perfect, no. Does he have some skeletons in the closet, maybe, who knows. So far I am not sure what you are pointing out, other than your own ignorance and willingness to believe in conspiracies. So back up your words dude, otherwise go away.
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"or "therefore Obama will lead our country under the banner of a New World Order that will give power to a secret organization or fraternal order" than you taking the facts and making a leap of judgement. That is when it becomes a "theory." - Again, I just stated a fact. Even you made the "leap of judgement" and then made the decision to refute it.
But the facts I stated about his "advisors" are solid fact.
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"Cause you bring up some "facts" make some claims, and then won't back them up with any proof. Provide me some links or evidence that Obama is a politician that desires to turn the keys of our country over to a New World Order." - Fuck you and your demand for proof. I stated a fact that you cant accept, not a "claim". I dont have any obligation to prove anything to you. His cabinet members are members of what I they are. You can run a simple search, if you arent too simple-minded.
Thats why you are the dripping wet cunt in this talkback, because youll demand like a petulant child that I prove a known fact to you. Look it up yourself, cock.
And "bonesmen #69" Yeah thats real witty. Put on your helmet kid, youre about to miss the shortbus to Obama land. you kids are a textbook example of naive.
Anyway, thanks for entertaining me through the workday. I gotta run for the day, but maybe we can continue tomorrow?
Maybe you girls can do some homework and we can meet back here?
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I think you misunderstood me. I'm not talking about a CIA claim. I'm talking about history. It is confusing to me that a guy with chemical weapons scares you, while a guy that might have them, makes every attempt to get more, lies about having had them, and has used them in the past does not. The reason Saddam was different than Kim is that Saddam HAD invaded other coutries, and HAD used WMDs. I personally don't think the US should have invaded Iraq. But I'll not delude myself into thinking there weren't very good reasons for doing so.
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Ha Ha Ha!
HEEEE HEEEE HEEE!
*snicker*
Hoooo!
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...does only the following:1. Cites alleged facts2. Makes no judgments on said facts3. Means to imply nothing about said facts4. Uses terms like "fuckwit", "naive", and "cock" to deride those who question the reasoning behind his disclosure of said facts5. Uses the smug, clasic "Look it up for yourself" defense as a means to justify attacking someone's credibility while simultaneously offering no other viable option of his own.Amazing.
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It really was creepy!
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About par for the talkbacks I'd say.
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That's Baraka...and "pointy shit" is right.
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You are mostly right. An alternative would be great, and greater effort should be made in that direction. But Exxonmobil doesn't control the crude prices. And the profits are not insane. Unusually high, but not unreasonably so.
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Unfortunately, I have to agree. And please try to overlook the fact that I missed an "s" in "classic" in my previous post. Damn.
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You are right on the note of Islam not being a theocracy. But ALL of the Islamic rulers present today (except Iran, I think) are under the illusion that they are appointed by God (e.g. Saudi Arabia). The only true Islamic Theocratic State that was present in modern history was when Muhammad ruled it. After all he brought it.
Although he appointed a successor (search: Ghadeer-E-Kum ), a few powerful people got together to make their own democracy (while Muhammed was still in his deathbed). The resulting rulers were appointed through so-called "elections" by themselves. The rest is history.
A lot of people don't know much about Islam. And that's why, gentlemen, we have people like Osama Bin Laden (may he die of Gonorrhea) and George W. Bush (monkey in the oval office). -
I understand the history portion, and you are correct about all of that, and believe me, he did scare me. But isn't there a point where you have to take history, and propose a theory as to what it is he is going to do next? Saddam had WMD's, he used them on other countries, he is still trying to acquire more, so he can...??? To me that is where our intelligence may have broken down, what did we believe his next step was? Are you saying it doesn't matter, the mere fact he has had them and used them was enough? Anyway, I think we agree to more than realize.
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You did what I could not, succinctly and adequately proved redhanky to be both illogical and irrational. I think I got a little too loud, needed to just calm down, take a breath, and clarify. Well done sir, tip of the cap to you.
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Why? Paul has the impeccable integrity and run on the platform of accountability, honesty, courage and principle. His Congressional record is the proof of consistency with his views.
Hillary Clinton and John McCain are the worst possible choices. Both are dishonest who does not hide their burning ambition to be President and then run roughshod over the Constitution and the citizenry to cater to special interests. They engage in lies and mud-slinging to try to sway the voters to choose them.
I will consider voting for Obama despite my reservation as a libertarian if Paul fails to gain GOP nomination (the way to win nomination would be to persuade the hundreds of delegates to pay attention and vote -- remember, delegates won by the rivals are not bound to pledge to cast ballot in nomination process). Look up "superdelegate" on Wikipedia, this pose a problem in regards to electoral process of Democratic Party nomination -- I'm afraid the unelected superdelegates, comprised of potential sycophants, will defy the Democratic majority's will in preferance of Obama over Hillary in terms of delegate numbers to cast vote for Hillary to gain nomination.
If it all come down to McCain versus Clinton, forget it. I will never vote for either, I despise them for not representing change of direction for better America and both will likely carry out third Bush term. I'll write-in a vote for Paul as a matter of principle and conscience. -
Hate to interrupt, but I'll do it anyhow.
If you are so inclined, I would suggest the following article to be of interest to you:
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2003/10/27/031027fa_fact
It's a famous piece by Seymour Hersh that details the manner in which Cheney, Douglas Feith and others manipulated the intel to suit their agenda to attack Iraq.
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Is there something you have come across that is more comprehensive since that time? It's now 08, the administration has become a total lame horse, is this now not worth investigating? Given that the administration has nothing to lose, I would think that further info would come out that could explain what the hell happened? Probably still too political, but jeez we need a 911 commission report for Iraq.
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loony we'll forget about next year.
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unlike most of the people on this site, I will i'll admit that I don't know what it cost Exxon to bring a single gallon to the pump. I'm planning on doing some serious research because i've become really interested in the entire market and process. But the average American does feel ripped off when they hear about 40+ Billion in profits. Perception. The Perception game is what Exxon is losing.
Iraq is more than an attempt at Democracy in the Middle East. It affects our economy directly. China is sucking up resources all over the world. America needs to lock resources for the future. But for the moment, I wouldn’t worry so much about China because they’re the highest investor in the U.S. A weaker dollar is a loss for them. Our future war with China is a couple of generations away. Right now they’re our creditor. So we need them just as much they need us. But the chess pieces are being moved into place for the war ahead.
Look, the War on Terror is REAL. They’re really are smelly Arab men running around the world, planning to kill Americans. They really want to take the world back a thousand years. It’s Real.
Here is there plan:
1. Expel Infidels from Arabia
2. Take down secular governments.
3. Create an Islamic States.
4. Create an Islamic Empire, Caliphate.
5. Take Islam into the rest of the World.
Iraq was an effort to lock future resources. Just that simple! For those of you who are upset about all of this, Read up on the 1979 Oil Embargo and what it did to our economy. Anyway, McCain or Obama in 08.
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The people will become increasingly weary of the poor options they hand down to us. It will probably be Libertarian that gains steam. Mark my words, we will see a third party candidate and president in our lifetime. And it's not over for Ron Paul. Ralph Nader has launched an exploratory committee for another run at the presidency. Nader/Paul could work, right?
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And to you, sir. Keep fighting the good fight.
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Just caught up on the TB since my 'tin-foil hat' post and truly appreciated your dialogues with redhanky. Nicely done. I was amused by his hypocritical criticism of name-calling in your posts. Yes, I accused him of being a loony conspiracy theorist (this characterization now seems even more accurate), but his first impulse was to say 'fuck-you' and call me a 'cock'.
I think you've done a fine job refuting his 'arguments', but unfortunately the meat of redhanky's claims has yet to be elucidated (this due to his stubborn refusal to clarify the implications of his, apparently, in depth fact-finding on Obama and his alleged intentions to form a NWO). I see his posts now as simply a sad, hit-and-run on Obama.
Redhanky- why not simply spell out the conclusions of your research on Obama? Why just throw out loaded statements with no follow-through. Pretty sure I know what you're implying, but why not clarify it. Afraid that your research and arguments won't stand up to scrutiny? Afraid you won't have unquestioning support of your theories as you would on the conspiracy websites? I think your hiding your real ideas because, somewhere in your brain, the remnants of rationality tell you that these theories are fringe, paranoid B.S.
I don't want to browse the conspiracy sites, ok, redhanky? So please, give us the data and let us consider the merits of your arguments.
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Can you smell the ownage, redhanky?
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Sorry, but the videos were no more convincing than your posts. But I enjoyed a dip in the paranoid pool that is the anti-CFR cause. And BTW: Stan Jones?!?! Can't the cause do better than to highlight this guy's looniness? Not exactly the best and brightest there, my man.
From Wikipedia:
Jones developed argyria, which permanently turned his skin a blue-grey color, by consuming home-made colloidal silver, which he made due to fears the Year 2000 problem would make antibiotics unavailable. The peculiar coloration of his skin featured prominently in media coverage of his unsuccessful campaign[1], though Jones believes that the most prominent photo[2] was "doctored"[3].
Jones continues to promote the use of colloidal silver as a home remedy, especially since, upon detailing his methods of production leading up to his argyric condition, it has been established that he (1) used plain, unfiltered, mineral-rich tap water; (2) added salt[3] to accelerate the process; (3) created unusually high concentrations by running it for unusually long periods; and (4) did not filter out insoluble compounds afterwards. Most producers of colloidal silver claim that, in order to almost completely eliminate the risk of argyria, one must use distilled water without additives for much shorter periods of time and filter the product afterwards.
Jones has said that his good health, minus the unusual skin tone, is the result of his use of colloidal silver, though he admits that he overdosed on it and produced it incorrectly[3].
[edit] Policy stances
His stances on policy issues tend to be fairly conservative; among other issues, he supports the death penalty, opposes same-sex marriage, and has called abortion a "crime against humanity."[4] During the senatorial debate held on October 9, 2006, Jones stated that a conspiracy of the European Union and North American political elites was on the verge of forming a "one world communist government". [5]
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Well, there are a lot of articles. I'll provide more links as I find them, but for starters, definitely read Hersh's progression of articles from that one to the present. I think you will appreciate his in-depth journalism, which is informed by quite a few government insiders. Looking back at his work of the last 7 years, it's a good chronicle on Bush's foreign policy vis-a-vis the Middle East.
Some other sources you may find informative about the inception of the Iraq War are Scott Ritter (former Marine and chief UN weapons inspector who was on the ground in Iraq in the 90s) ...
In fact, here is a link to an excellent Salon article on him and his opposition to Bush's run-up to the invasion ... http://dir.salon.com/story/people/feature/2002/03/19/ritter/
I think you'll find it fascinating, as I did, that he was no friend of either the Clinton or Bush Administrations because of his very focused, determined and impartial approach to ensuring a WMD-free Iraq. During the run-up to the war, he was vocal and detailed about Iraq having no WMDs, and at the time, was denounced by the pundits. Time has proven him right, of course.
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Mel Gibsteinberg, I was re-reading that Scott Ritter article and damn if he wasn't a soothsayer back in 2002 ... here's a choice quote:
"If we go against Iraq, it will require extensive military power -- more than the 75,000 [troops] that some claim. We are talking about 150,000 to 200,000 troops. Kurds and Shiites are saying don't go after Saddam. There is no Northern Alliance in Iraq and the Iraqi army is not the Taliban. If we go into Iraq, we will have to go into densely populated areas, villages, farms. People will fight back. The army will fight. They won't fight Saddam; they will fight against us, the invader, with thousands of deaths. We are talking about an unpopular war with no popular support in Iraq and going into Baghdad. Sure we'll win -- we always do. But it'll never last. Central authority in Iraq will collapse. How long will the mothers of America allow their sons to patrol the streets of Baghdad with no end in sight? When we eventually run, Iraq will collapse. Turks, Iranians, Saudis will be making a move, and the U.S. will be fundamentally isolated in the region."
Definitely a far cry from the flowers on the street scenario that Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz were forecasting. What a goddamned mess, and with so many dead now. -
What person in their right mind would want to clean up Bush's mess? Seriously, unless the whole of the American people see it with clear eyes, and know that the solution will possibly take longer to correct than the mistake to happen (7 years of it), the next Presidency will be a ridiculously thankless job.
Although despite the recession that occurred under Bush Sr's last years in office (shades of deja vu there, huh), Clinton was able to help the country rebound. So it's not totally hopeless. Except Junior's mess dwarves his father's by miles. -
Okay, I'm playing catch-up with this TB so please bear with me. You said earlier, "Unless you are saying that the Govt. agreed they could never KNOW for sure and went anyway. If that is the case, than that really is F-ed up" ...
Yes, that's it in a nutshell. That really does sum it up.
All the articles I pointed out, all the facts that have come to light since then, bear out the fact that the Administration had no conclusive evidence of WMDs yet used fear and deliberate fabrications to justify the invasion, knowing that once the war started, they could use the media (starting with Fox) to drum up support, which as we know, happened.
Now I'm skipping Hanky's posts because to call Obama some sort of New World Order agent is just really nuts. We don't need that right now. The problems before us are serious. We are in a recession. Our economy is unstable. And oil? That's the gazillion dollar question. Oil and water will be the defining crises to challenge the survival of our modern civilizations in the coming years. I might sound hyperbolic, but really I'm not exaggerating.
I've been reading comments here and watching CNN, MSNBC and loads of other news shows and have been encouraged by so many Conservative supporters of Obama. I'm beginning to see him in a different light. I might actually be rooting for him next Tuesday. He seems to have that power to unify the country, and fucking shit, that's exactly what we need. -
Feb 06, 2008 10:19:50 PM CST
why all this fear over a possible Democrat president?..
by jimmyjoe redsky
the last one we had, as i recall, did a good job - except for the on the job blowjob - which, if you think about it, is the most 'republican' thing he did (or rather had done to him) - we (usa) were in great shape back then - domestically and abroad - personally, i was making more money, as soon as Bush took over my business began to dry up - republican conservatives dont put a premium on 'art' - we werent nearly as hated as we are now back then either - the general sentiment i get from conservatives is that dem/liberal leaders/presidents are very bad for us (usa) because they will "take away our personal freedoms and allow govt to interfere too much in our lives" - if you ask me, Bush and his gang have done that in spades since he took office
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is that the party is tied to rigidly to big industry - the corporate interests of big industry comes first - this is the bottom line when they (GOP and their reps) make a decision on anything - every move is determined by the effects they will have on futures for oil, corn, weapons, timber, plastics, textiles etc. - even the war - the last thing its about is freedom and democracy - democracy (delivered through the barrel of a gun) is a tool - a means to ans end - that end being secure futures for industry and their interests - we (usa) dont seem to concerned with the freedoms being trounced in Darfur - george clooney has done more for those poor starving bastards than bush and friends - thats pathetic - theres no financial incentive for us (america) to help out over there - what little we do is an attempt to save face - a bare minimum - the GOP pretends to be the party for the common man, the good ol' boy - the truth is the opposite - they prey on the fears and insecurities of all these good ol' boys - "vote for us and you can keep your giant pick ups, you can carry concealed loaded handguns, you can red line neighbor hoods to keep out niggers and fags, you can smoke and eat shit till you have cancer and diabetis, you can keep nativity scenes in front of federal buildings... the godless liberals want to take all that away from you" - the republican party is like these television evangelists that live like fat happy pigs off the poor hill billies they preach too
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Was watching Lou Dobbs tonight who was taking the Republicans to task for trying to make it easier for companies to hire illegal aliens. It really is disgusting how politicians (on both sides, although the Reps are more blatantly pro-corporation/anti-worker & Middle Class) are selling America out.
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You know - it will never work, because there is one fatal flaw that even I have a problem with and haven't been able to think out a solution to, but get this: Let's say that we tool with government and re-establish some boundaries in power, and clean up some of that corruption that has been swept under the rug. Again at square one comes the MOST IMPORTANT CHANGE - the swing between the Democrats and the Republicans is mandatory. Four years for one party (if we're being nice, though 2-3 years would be ideal), then it swings over to the other side's chance to make the country a better place. No more jostling for support or multimillion dollar campaigning - just, perhaps, some limited inner-party elections to establish their 'pick.' No repeat winners (ie, do your term, then you are out for good), regardless of how well they and their cabinet do while in office, and the salary will be good, but not outrageous (with particular zeal taken by an independant security agency to watch for illegal kickbacks). For me, the most important part is the subtraction of big money as a variable that ultimately decides what happens in this country. Someone made a good point up above about whomever was elected spending most of their time trying to support or fulfill the wishes of their financial backers (which, 9 times out of 10 are huge corporations peeking out behind an all-American facade). This idea - as crazy as it sounds - is all about finding out who is sincere about running for office and changing the country for the better. And there is the element of friendly competition when the other side is handed the reigns, to outdo the previous Dems or Reps - only this time there is no need for lies and blame if things have gone badly, just the sincere desire to DO BETTER than the previous administration - to actually have the honest motivation to make America better for it's people. One of the main problems with this idea that I readily admit to, is the inability for an independant party to take control for a while - it effectively makes the USA a two-party system...Oh wait, but haven't we pretty much been one - in practice - umm, forever? Still, even I don't like the idea of not giving independants the opportunity at having a shot...Just something to think about, and if anyone can help amend this - go for it!..This was from a paper I composed in a politics and ethics class a couple semesters ago, when we were asked to write about the perfect society, or something along those lines...Okay, point out I'm a crackpot, or gladly throw in any supplemental ideas - I welcome either...
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At some German, and 'danke' a lot, so it slurred my mind a bit - I meant 'independents.' Also, in may original paper the party system was split up among three different parties, if that matters. The whole previous post (and paper) was mostly an attempt to think outside the box (as cliched and political as that sounds). I believe that our political system is severely sick, with the main ailment being big money and the overcomplication of priorities. These people are supposed to serve us - all of us - and it pains me to see that the majority of our country fails to recognize that our leadership election process has boiled down to a rich-kid popularity contest.
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When they s**t hits the fan in the economy, people look for a scapegoat. Most immigrants take horrible jobs that you would feel to good to take. Also, Immigrants work a couple of jobs just to be able to get by. They don't get health insurance. Most immigrants just want to improve their living standards. I know. My family emigrated to U.S. when I was really young.
Romney talks about going after all 12 million illegal immigrants in the country. Lets be real about this. Imagine what the implementation of that police would look like. Federal Agents going into people’s houses and taking them at gunpoint. Imagine the images on tv. The demonstrations against the police would begin right away. Riots would not be to far off. You might think I’m exaggerating but people will do a lot to keep their families together. Wouldn’t you?
Simply, immigrants are going to continue coming into this country whether you like it or not. People like you will continue to feel insecure in your abilities to compete with less educated but more motivated people. I never get how someone who was born in this country can’t be more successful than an immigrant. Natives have all the tools and opportunities that the immigrant has come to here to work for.
With time we’ll take the reins of this country. Your kids will live to see an American of Hispanic origin run for the highest office in the world. It’s only a matter of time. We already have some governors. So you and Dobbs can yap away all you want but were are here to stay and were are moving up the ladder.
I’ll leave with this from The Departed:
COSTELLO (V.O.)
Twenty years after an Irishman
couldn't get a job, we had the
presidency.
No one gives it to you. You have to
take it.
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If you post here on a regular basis, don't vote. If you are ignorant of the issues, don't vote. If you know little about the candidates, and what it means to be a Democrat or Republican, conservative or liberal, don't vote. Uninformed and ignorant voters will only hurt the country. Of course, if registered, they are free to vote, but we shouldn't encourage it.
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Feb 07, 2008 2:07:28 AM CST
AntoniusBloc, where do you fit in to all your "categories"
by jimmyjoe redsky
cant one post here on a regular basis and not be ignorant of the issues - cant one post here regularly and know the differences between conservatives and liberals/ republicans and democrats - the last thing you should be doing is encouraging people not to vote - its hard enough getting 20-something liberals to vote - their 20-something conservative virgin god fearing repressed friends go out and vote in droves (around here where i live anyway) - thats why mike "i dont believe in evolution" huckabee is still running - we have to even the odds - ignorant or not, my side needs the votes - so stfu
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Feb 07, 2008 2:29:05 AM CST
snakecharmer, im not sure but i think bsb's point was...
by jimmyjoe redsky
that the republicans are bigger hypocites when it comes to the subject of illegals and how to handle the problem - which to me isnt a problem - it became a hot button issue a couple yrs ago - started by the GOP as a platform to run on and to build some steam for this next pres election - the conservatives complain about illegals for the same reason they complain about gays, gun control, a womans right to an abortion and progressive science (cloning for research) - all this complaining appeals to the "good ol' boy" sect (and the evangelical right) - and it produces votes - the reality is immigrants (legal and otherwise) are very important to the economy - they buy shit like everyone else - and like McCain said to a heckler, the last thing you want to do is deport the parents of some kid fighting and dieing over in iraq - my mom came here from europe in the 1950s - uneducated and not speaking english - she worked as a waitress until she retired at the age of 70 - and she put up with a ton of shit from a lot of ignorant holier-than-though americans born here - but shes still here - she votes democrat too - ever since reagan made it a permanent law to tax a waitresses tips - she still complains about that - i think it shows you how ignorant repulicans are when they start declaring "english" the official language of the u.s. - when was it ever not the official language - that declaration was made to appease the conservative ass holes that get annoyed when theyre out and about and hear someone speaking spanish - is this to become an enforceable law? - what will the fine be for speaking spanish in a public place? - conservatives are giant fucking hippo krits - in some of these southern states where sodomy is illegal, are you telling me some of the law abiding god fearin red necks that live there never fucked a chick in the ass? - c'mon
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Went furhter up and checked out more of the posts - it's like the Crips and Bloods up in here. I guess more of the problem is that people want to be on a 'side,' or prove that others are wrong, instead of trying to take care of each other.
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Don't vote. You seem to fit all the categories, and I don't want your friends voting either, not that you don't have the right. I just really discourage you. I think encouraging anyone and everyone to vote makes people like Harry feel good, but it is an oversimplistic approach to strengthening a democracy. Encourage knowledge and understanding of the issues first, and demand clarity from the candidates where they stand.
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wow man - you sound like a very enlightened doosh - and you didnt answer my question - its so unfortunate that voting, while a right for every pathetic ignorant soul, isnt reserved as a special privaledge for the likes of you - are you going to vote? - get over yourself - stop sucking your own dick, "i just really discourage you" - do you have "complete knowledge and understanding of the issues" - and until you feel youve gotten full and complete "clarity from the candidates where they stand" are you sitting this one out? - well, Antonius, id love to take your advice so that you feel youre doing society and democracy a service, but id rather take my chances and let my ignorant uninformed deluded ass vote - and ill keep voting - not because it "makes people like Harry feel good" - yeah, im sucking up to harry - i want to impress people by voting - fuck you - inspite of your insight (youre right in that ignorant voters got bush 2 terms), guys like you are part of the problem - now go cut a hole in your mattress and start fuckin it you condescending namby pamby elitist pompous booger eatin... citizen
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This nation would not be where it is today without immigrants. And I do support legal immigration. What I said above was "illegals". People who sneak in here without going through the immigration process like others do, who have no regards for our laws. Who gather about on street corners in every town and country in the nation without fearing our police nor the implications of breaking our laws.
12 Million illegals in the country means 12 million lawbreakers loose and unaccountable to our laws. Period. Just because the number is astronomical doesn't mean we give them a free ticket.
A citizen or resident alien can't park past a parking meter's expiration without getting fined, but illegals are driving without licenses and insurance and nothing happens to them. This is insane. And more and more keep coming into the country every hour.
So that's my point. To enforce our laws and protect our citizenry and legal immigrants. I hope you agree with that. If however you support the illegals, we definitely don't see eye to eye. -
Pragmatically speaking, Snake, you are right about the difficulty in expelling all 12 million (or more) illegals. That task is daunting unless we use mobilize the National Guard to help.
Now first, we have to secure all borders. Wall along Mexico. Tough checkpoints along Canada. Coastal security. Etc. Stop the incoming tide and put a plug in it. If a few hundred get in, that's better than a few thousand. It won't be perfect but that is the critical first step. In any case this is crucial to our national security, something Bush has so far been dangerously negligent about.
Then we seek out and force register every illegal that can be found. Implement laws against companies and individuals who knowingly hire an illegal without reporting them to the authorities.
Then we deport every illegal who has a criminal record of any kind, either here or in their home country (unless it's a case of political or ethnic persecution).
Then we tax them and provide them a path towards Naturalization. I don't know how much tax, but they have to pay for the privilege of being here. It's the absolute least they owe to the country. The tax is an incentive for them to work harder, not just take dollars and send them abroad. If they don't file and pay it, deportation. Period.
Then the Federal portion of the taxes go to a separate fund. Now the purpose of that fund, if a Universal Health Care plan is enacted, the taxes should go towards funding that to alleviate the financial burden on legal(ized) Americans. The inception of any plan of the type is sure to be more expensive at the beginning (like start a company) but the costs will normalize through time. This tax revenue from 12 million illegals should substantially help with those initial costs.
So what we would be doing is putting a stop to continuous illegal migration, weeding out criminals and deporting them, giving a chance for the existing illegals to naturalize and contribute to our society.
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It really was "Fat tuesday"..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_tuesday#Sweden
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In fact, it's the only thing they serve in Hell.
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I'm too lazy to google.
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a Semla is a pastry filled with a lot of almond paste and whipped cream.
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The almond paste is about 10% of the semla. 50% is unsweetened whipped cream and about 40% the actual "pastry". It's a ghastly and nauseating creation.
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I think I'll give them a miss
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But I still give them a new try every year to realize the same. Like I do with Uwe Boll movies. Gonna see that Dungeon Siege this weekend I think.
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We've managed to hijack a political TB with pastry-related snack chat I'm also partial to a cornish pasty,
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I absolutely agree with BringingSexyBack. All those fucking illegal white folks should get the hell off of the Western Hemisphere and leave it for the Sioux, Pequod, Seneca, and the rest of the true American nations.
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Feb 07, 2008 1:27:57 PM CST
^ SEE, CLASSYFRED ... THAT'S WHAT I MEAN BY DIFF B/W PROGRESSIVE
by bringingsexyback
I support Native Americans and think they deserve more, but give me a break here.
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Feb 07, 2008 2:27:15 PM CST
Michael Savage announced he was creating a new political party l
by sick fixx
and he wasn't joking. He's going to call it the Nationalist Party and he had a lawyer call in and said he would give him his number off the air so they could do business.
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This is the most interesting talkback ever and you want to ruin it with some fat ass Hostess bullshit.
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and I'm ordering a "Get Out of Iraq ... And Into Iran" and "Peace Through Superior Firepower" t-shirts. I hope they arrive in time for Valentine's Day. Nothing says romance like a little bit of hate.
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At least anti-conservative rhetoric is more interesting than idle chit chat about chocolate chip croissants and donuts and sfogliette. I like my talkbacks like I like my American sports... WITH BALLS!!!
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I wouldn't exactly call Ritter a soothsayer. The article sounds like he was saying the original attack would cause thousands of casualties. In any case anyone (was there anyone?) who claimed the occupation would be bloodless was living in a dreamland. I distinctly remember Bush in particular saying it would be a long hard road. I personally remember dicussing the same with co-workers at the time, though our thoughts were mainly on snipers instead of roadside bombs. As I've said, I think most of the Bush camp had valid reasons for invading, but they knew that it would be a hard sell. I am not so cynical that I think they invaded for "fun and profit", but I do believe that exageration and slick advertising were embraced for the worse. To them, the ends justify the means.
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Did you actually read the article you suggested? It says nothing about "manipulating data". Cheney isn't even mentioned. To the contrary, it says that the administration was incompitent rather than insideous (which is no less scary, but not what the cynical want to hear). In any investigation into pre war intelligence assesment it must be remembered that the CIA was very much against invasion. They wanted to take down Saddam themselves in covert operations. So it is obvious that pre war assesments would have said "the situtation is unbearable!", but after they did not have their way the revisionists would say "it wasn't so bad, the administration got it all wrong!"
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Did you read the right article? The one at the New Yorker, by Seymour Hersh? Here's a quote from Page 3 (of 9 pages):
"The intelligence report was quickly stovepiped to those officials who had an intense interest in building the case against Iraq, including Vice-President Dick Cheney. “The Vice-President saw a piece of intelligence reporting that Niger was attempting to buy uranium,” Cathie Martin, the spokeswoman for Cheney, told me. Sometime after he first saw it, Cheney brought it up at his regularly scheduled daily briefing from the C.I.A., Martin said. “He asked the briefer a question. The briefer came back a day or two later and said, ‘We do have a report, but there’s a lack of details.’ ” The Vice-President was further told that it was known that Iraq had acquired uranium ore from Niger in the early nineteen-eighties but that that material had been placed in secure storage by the I.A.E.A., which was monitoring it. “End of story,” Martin added. “That’s all we know.” According to a former high-level C.I.A. official, however, Cheney was dissatisfied with the initial response, and asked the agency to review the matter once again. It was the beginning of what turned out to be a year-long tug-of-war between the C.I.A. and the Vice-President’s office.
As the campaign against Iraq intensified, a former aide to Cheney told me, the Vice-President’s office, run by his chief of staff, Lewis (Scooter) Libby, became increasingly secretive when it came to intelligence about Iraq’s W.M.D.s. As with Wolfowitz and Bolton, there was a reluctance to let the military and civilian analysts on the staff vet intelligence.
“It was an unbelievably closed and small group,” the former aide told me. Intelligence procedures were far more open during the Clinton Administration, he said, and professional staff members had been far more involved in assessing and evaluating the most sensitive data. “There’s so much intelligence out there that it’s easy to pick and choose your case,” the former aide told me. “It opens things up to cherry-picking.” (“Some reporting is sufficiently sensitive that it is restricted only to the very top officials of the government—as it should be,” Cathie Martin said. And any restrictions, she added, emanate from C.I.A. security requirements.)"
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Feb 07, 2008 4:08:29 PM CST
VERGIL - OFFICIALS DID SAY THE WAR WAS GOING TO BE EASY
by bringingsexyback
Not completely bloodless, but easy. "A Cakewalk" was the infamous phrase they used. Bush only claimed it was going to be a hard road AFTER the insurgency arose.
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Mea Culpa. My stupid computer at work loaded only part of the story. I didn't see nine pages. The article, however, seems to agree with what I have been saying. The Administration was at odds with the CIA. For example, they cite that the administration was more eager to believe the defectors than our own intelligence and that of the UN inspectors. That might be because the defectors had been more acurate in the past. They story mentions Cheney worried about Uranium in Niger even though we didn't really have evidence. What the article doesn't state is that British Intelligence did. To this day the claim of "Lies!" mostly surrounds the Bush claim that Saddam tried to aquire "Yellowcake" from Niger. In fact, what Bush said was that British Intelligence said that there was evidence. Further, despite the claims of Joseph Wilson, it is still very possible that the Brits had it right. I think we agree on the mistakes and incompetence. But I still am far from conviced that Bush was any worse than Clinton in this reguard. Did they try to decieve the American people? Are Hillary and McCain lying when they make exagerations and duck questions while trying to convince people to vote for them? These are the same American people that gave HIGH marks for Bush when things seemed to be going well. But when they realized things weren't so rosy (which was obviously going to happen), they turn like wounded animals. Just how do you govern a nation of idiots? (Not a rhetorical question...I honestly have no idea).
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That speech, as you can see from the date, was not specifically describing the Iraq campaign. It was decribing the "war on terror", which was analogous to the NeoCon's desire for "endless war". As you can see, a scant 9 days after 9/11, the wheels were already set in motion to wage that endless war. Not a war directed at the terrorists in Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia who participated in 9/11 itself, but a full scale assault on targets (namely Iraq, which had nothing to do with 9/11 or Al Qaeda) already pre-ordained by the Neocons.
When it came time to invade Iraq, however, the Administration was indeed painting a (relatively) rosy picture and in fact fired the general who called for a larger number of troops just before the invasion.
And the issue at hand is how they tried to justify that invasion, which in hindsight we know has destabilized the region and fomented more terrorists.
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But I appreciate the discussion - will be back later tonight ..
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Exactly. I also remember distinctly the same tone preAfghan invasion. I keep hearing the term "cakewalk". Who said it? The invasion itself was indeed a cakewalk. Who are the "they" that used this phrase? The fickle Americans I was refering to like to remember what they want to remember.
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But there's always another one we can invade, if it suits our purpose. Wait...did that sound too familiar...?
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But I'm about to leave work as well. We didn't "destabilize" the region. It has been unstable for hundreds of years. The only things that HAVE stabilized it have been Empire and Dictatorship. We are trying a new tack: stabilization through Democracy. I'm pretty sure it won't work, but I can't heavily criticize those who think it's worth a try.
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Gentlemen and Ladies:
So good to see those on the right side of the aisle posting on AICN. I get so tired of the endless "Bush lied, people died" prattle that permeates these talkbacks. I certainly share your view that Uncle George may have made some very big mistakes in the execution of this war. But can somebody, anybody name for me a conflict involving ground forces that has according to "plan"? Never happened, never will. The enemy is dynamic and will do things like...oh...surprise you. And of course back to old reliable...name me another 4-year ground conflict which has resulted in the loss of only 3900 U.S. Military. Each one tragic yet, in the analysis of war which must remain unemotional, acceptable. By the way, I find the potential nomination of a 2 YEAR JUNIOR Senator absolutely hilarious! McCain will mop the floor with Barak Hussein Obama. Not that I’m all that thrilled about Johnny…but the alternative is too frightening for words.
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As to your claim of "loss of only 3900 U.S. Military" ... I would hardly qualify that figure with "only". That's a lot of our soldiers / fellow citizens who are dead. And let's not forget the over 29,000 additional casualties in this war either.
"in the analysis of war which must remain unemotional, acceptable." ... Firstly, who's to judge 3,900 dead soldiers an "acceptable" figure? Are you prepared to tell Pat Tillman's family that their son's death is acceptable and they should remain unemotional? And that their nation does not owe him or them its sorrow for their loss? -
Iraq was stable and terrorist-free. The outcome of this war is a fractured country that is a feeding ground for new terrorists. You are right in that democracy should be an option in tne Middle East, but war and invasion was not the way to do it.
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It was said by Ken Adelman, former assistant to Donald Rumsfeld in the prelude to the invasion.
Here is another article summarizing the manner in which the Administration downplayed the repercussions of an invasion of Iraq:
"More than a year ago, Kenneth Adelman, a prominent national-security official in the Reagan Administration who now serves part time, with Richard Perle, on the Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board, wrote a piece for the Washington Post. Its title was “Cakewalk in Iraq,” and its payoff went like this: “I believe demolishing Hussein’s military power and liberating Iraq would be a cakewalk. Let me give simple, responsible reasons: (1) It was a cakewalk last time; (2) they’ve become much weaker; (3) we’ve become much stronger; and (4) now we’re playing for keeps.” It’s worth remembering that “last time”—that is, in 1991, when a genuine coalition of American, European, and Arab armies expelled Saddam Hussein from Kuwait—the ground war was over in a hundred hours. Next time, the reader was left to conclude, the job would be wrapped up even faster.
During the long runup to the present war in Iraq, assumptions of this kind came almost universally to be taken for granted. That was the work partly of high officials of the Bush Administration, partly of quasi-governmental outriders like Adelman and Perle, and partly of the neoconservative fedayeen of the op-ed pages and the cable talkathons. In early March, for example, General Richard B. Myers, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, serenely anticipated “a short, short conflict.” On the Sunday before the opening “shock and awe” barrage, Vice-President Cheney said that the war would go “relatively quickly,” and that American troops would be “greeted as liberators.” He went on, when asked if the fighting might prove to be long, costly, and bloody, “Well, I don’t think it’s likely to unfold that way.” (As Dana Milbank, a Washington Post White House correspondent, noted, “Cheney has spoken that way for months.”) Perle, still a Defense Policy Board member, though no longer its unpaid (if not exactly unremunerated) chairman, predicted on the eve of the war that it would last no longer than three weeks, adding, “And there is a good chance that it will be less than that.” Last summer, he declared that “support for Saddam, including within his military organization, will collapse at the first whiff of gunpowder.” In the February 24th issue of National Review, David Frum, the former “axis of evil” White House speechwriter, wrote that “the Iraq fight itself is probably going to go very, very fast. The shooting should be over within just a very few days from when it starts."
It's worth noting that their belief that taking over Iraq and deposing Saddam would be easy is COUNTERINTUITIVE to the notion that Iraq had WMDs. I found that ironic then. And they send the military into Iraq with no special preparations for defending against WMDs (biological, chemical, nuclear). Which leads one to logically surmise that they believed, knew or were confident that Saddam had no such weapons (hence knowing it would be easy to take over the country) and only used the fear of those weapons to justify the invasion. -
Questions for those who are so enthusiastic about him, please answer. My guess is, all you'll come up with is anti-Bush cliche's and talking points you've been brainwashed into believing. Is Obama liberal, in the true sense of the meaning? Those of you questioning the Iraqi war based on WMD's, do you consider yourselves liberals, lovers of freedom? The problem is, if you were against taking Saddam down, then you are far from being a true liberal, and your definition of freedom is at best culturally biased and it worst, racist. How can a liberal claim that freeing the Iraqi people was a bad thing? Only americans have the right to be free? This goes back to the debate about the religion of the Founders; no matter how you characterize it they believed in a First Cause, a Creator, and therefore, Natural Law, an objective law that applies to all human beings by nature of them being human. So, again, those of you democrats, liberals, and peace lovers, was it wrong to free the Iraqi people? Don't the Iraqi's deserve to be free? My favorite ignorant liberal comeback was and despite the true progress, still is, 'it will just lead to chaos, to civil war', forgetting the history of our own country. The problem with peace loving liberals these days is they are willing to sacrifice liberty for order. If the U.S. didn't get involved in World War II, Hitler would have kept things pretty orderly in Europe. If no one cared to defy Hitler the peace loving liberals would have got what they wanted: no war. There is such a thing as a bad peace, and a good war.
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I can't speak for other Libs but I did say above that I believe Democracy should be an option in the MidEast, but is not achievable through war. It is achievable by communication and an exchange of ideas, and the support of moderates in the region.
I also think you actually believe that the Bush Administration's goal for Iraq *was* to instill democracy. Nothing could be further from the truth. I don't have time to get into it, but suffice to say that Bush's rhetoric about spreading democracy was another lie among many. -
Sorry, I don't buy it. More conspiracy theory. I believe that the Bush administration's change is to be consistent. President Reagan took the right approach toward the Soviet Union and eastern Europe, as a superpower we have the responsiblity to fight for the freedom of all. Our own country and the founders needed allies to help in our fight for liberty. But we can't just look at a region like the Middle East and say , somehow, these people are different. They are not. They are part of the human race, they deserve to be free. Dictators like Saddam are not interested, in "communication" and "exchange of ideas". The support of moderates, you say? Under the fear of a dictator, there are no moderates, and if they existed, you would never know it. The tyranny and fear must be removed before we really know who the 'moderates' are. But by 'moderates', I take it you mean, the common citizen; yes, we must support the common citizen by freeing him to speak what he truly believes. Again, there is such a thing as a Just war, and i believe the Bush administration's motivations are and continue to be Just, and at the same time, contribute to our naional security, to TRUE peace and freedom in the region, and to true respect in that region, not by elitists and UN politicians, but by the common citizen of Iraq, who rightly see the american soldier as true heroes, because despite the growing pains of a free society, the important thing is , they are free, and that is important above all to the common citizen because it is important to their family. Its disturbing how liberals like yourself look at everything politically...Moderates? it's the common citizen that is important, and giving them the ability to have hopes and dreams for their family, without fear of randomly being snatched, of torture and rape rooms, and mass graves. There are realities outside of politics, and that is truly where respect for our country will be rooted and grow. If we allowed Saddam to stay and could have done something about it, the common Iraqi would rightly grow to hate america, and be cynical about what it claims to stand for: liberty for the common man.
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we never went over there to free the iraquis - and we aint stayin to ensure their freedom - stop speakin for the common citizen of iraq - you sound like the typical manifest destinist defending the deliberate extermination of buffalo - you should do p.r. for blackwater, you red white and blue wind bag - guess what - palestine is a free democracy with open elections, yet we sat back and watched israel bomb the shit out of it and destroy all bridges and roads out and nearly the entire infrastructure - and not over 2 missing israeli troops, but because the palestinians didnt vote the way we wanted them to and elect the right puppet - "we" bombed palestine, by proxy (through israel, our strongest militarized offshoot) - countless "free" palestinians (not soldiers mind you) go missing in ghaza daily, never to be seen again - troops kidnapping civilians is something we condone now i guess - as you said "as a superpower we have the responsiblity to fight for the freedom of all" - we should start doin that - you make some good inspirational points, but theyd ring a lot truer if we werent rounding up iraqui cab drivers, sheep herders and pot heads then torturing them to death in cuba - hey, take your own advice - dont vote... i encourage you and your friends not to - ass hole
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"We are trying a new tack: stabilization through Democracy. I'm pretty sure it won't work, but I can't heavily criticize those who think it's worth a try." - i can heavily criticize them day and night, when its costing so much all across the board - and we are not any safer - the "homeland security" branch of our govt is nothing but a cash windfall for some suits, but it sure aint making the homeland secure - shit, we could barely handle a fuckin hurricane down south - it was "pass the buck" time on that fiasco - how many millions were wasted on acres of empty mobile homes that have since rotted into the very lots they stood on - imagine a fucking dirty bomb takin out a major city - homeland security bull shit - it would be mad max time - and i think its fun to wait in line for an hour at the airport, shoeless, so every motherfucker in front of me can get scanned for tweezers by some mouth breather thats workin on his g.e.d. - how about you? - the war was started, and continues, because it makes money for a select few - period - wheres bin laden? - didnt he admit responsibility to the very atrocity that set all this shit in motion? - fuck hussein, i want bin ladens head - too hard to find i guess - the all american old bait and switch - "we'll get him, oh wait he's too hard to find - hey, howabout this bad guy over here, yeah, we;l get him instead" - bush and cheney had a hard on for iraq long before 9/11 - they let that shit happen because they knew they needed a "pearl harbor" in order to help sell us an invasion of iraq - wise up - fuck this talk back - its lost its fun and cathartic charm
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"Demolishing Hussein’s military power and liberating Iraq" WAS a cakewalk. He was right. Soliers WERE greeted as liberators. They were also greeted as the spawn of Satan. I think we agree more than we disagree. At least we agree on the main point: we should not have invaded. What really bugs me is the black and white mentality of the critics. That, and the plain lack of ability to reason in people like JimmyJoe. As if Katrina was Bush's fault. Yes he had an idiot running FEMA, but there was always and idiot running FEMA. But hurricane preparedness was and had always been a local and state issue. And all this talk about the administration "letting" 9-11 occur just makes you want to weep for the small distance our supposed intelligence has moved from that of monkeys.
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Germany and Japan say otherwise.
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Yes, let's agree to disagree - it's more important that we've had a calm exchange that hasn't devolved into a pissing match. I think we both agree Bush has fucked up royally on all fronts. We disagree on the degree and the deliberateness and underhandedness in which he did that.
I'll just briefly say that, in addition to the "cakewalk" comment, the Administration as a whole - as you can partly see from that article - did infer to the American people that the occupation of Iraq would be relatively easy. In fact, they refused to heed warnings of a protracted and deadly guerilla war - for two reasons: (1) Rumsfeld was determined to downsize our military, and by sending in a smaller contingent, prove that we can, because his ultimate goal was to shift military funding to the private contractors. (2) To admit the need for a larger force (like the surge that was years too late) would risk the opposition of the American people to a long-term war, which is what we now have.
So yes, they did lie in order to get us into the war. And again I stress that they must have known, or been confident, that Saddam had no WMDs, and by scaring the people into thinking he did in order to invade, is yet another lie. Really, this is unconscionable for the leaders of our nation to deceive the people this way.
As for FEMA, that's no surprise. I don't know of another Administration that was so stuffed with cronies, and not just in meaningless ambassadorships. We're talking critical positions in the highest echelons of the government. It's criminal too, considering the danger he put people through.
I do think that the truth about 9/11 is unknown. I do believe the NeoCons deliberately ignored the warnings of the attacks and did whatever they could to allow it to occur. It would be an abomination of intelligence not to challenge the official story, which like most things that happened under Bush, is full of lies and cover-ups.
Germany and Japan, and WWII, is not the same as Iraq. Germany and Japan were the invaders and aggressors. In the case of Iraq, we are. Al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations can then use our presence as a tool to recruit and unify factions against us, and the West, just as any invaded country would to repel its invaders. So yes, you are right in that democracy can arise through war - but not in this case, and not in these circumstances. -
Here is a perfect example of the lies we were told to get us into war. Nothing says "war profiteering lying neocon!" like this speech given by this most hated of conservative politicians just before THE VOTE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkS9y5t0tR0
When you say they "must have known" that Saddam had no WMD's, you are simply speaking from mistrust and probably hatred. You really have no evidence.
I agree that Japan and Germany are different cases. I though we'd clarify your comment about war and democracy. I don't think your suggestions of "exchange of ideas" and support of moderates has any better hope though. The outside pressures and lack of democratic history in the region almost guarauntee failure. My only hope is not success, but perhaps a "movement" in that direction. -
"People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons."
Former President Clinton
During an interview on CNN's "Larry King Live
July 22, 2003 -
"Saddam Hussein certainly has chemical and biological weapons. There's no question about that."
Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi
During an interview on "Meet The Press"
November 17, 2002
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"We stopped the fighting [in 1991] on an agreement that Iraq would take steps to assure the world that it would not engage in further aggression and that it would destroy its weapons of mass destruction. It has refused to take those steps. That refusal constitutes a breach of the armistice which renders it void and justifies resumption of the armed conflict."
Senator Harry Reid (Democrat, Nevada)
Addressing the US Senate
October 9, 2002
Congressional Record, p. S10145 -
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.
We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Al Gore, Former Clinton Vice-President
Speech to San Francisco Commonwealth Club
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and I'll research them some more, and as in the case of all quotes, within context. Thank you for them. I think it's also important to note, from Scott Ritter's interview, that the analysis of Iraq's WMDs should have been (I believe these were his words) 'qualitative' and not 'quantitative', from a scientific point of view. And he butted heads with both the Clinton and Bush Administrations. However, of the two Administrations, Bush was far and away the more (forgive the word, but it is appropos) dastardly. In lieu of a strong debate on the issue of WMDs to justify (meaning to do, or not to do, based on the evidence), the NeoCons outright manipulated the intelligence process to skew the outcome in their favor.
And keep in mind they had 9/11's aftermath and implications to support them. So 9/11 was helpful to them, as such a cataclysmic event in their prediction would (see their PNAC papers). -
May I ask who you're supporting in this Presidential race? McCain or Obama? I'm pretty sure Clinton is off the table for you, but I'm curious about your thoughts on the choices.
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Perhaps I am. But that doesn't effect my choice of candidate. That being said, I can honestly say that in my lifetime, I cannot think of a candidate more qualified than McCain. I like Obama. Liked him even before the Democratic Party speech in '04. But I simply would like to see how he reacts to change and adversity. I know you didn't ask, but I have to say what a joke it is that Clinton is supposed to be the "experienced" candidate. Other than worsening the healthcare system, and moving to New York so she could be elected off of her name I don't know what kind of experience she is supposed to have had. Obama actually has ten years of public office experience, as opposed to Hillary's six. You are correct in your assumption that Hillary "which way is the wind blowing?" Clinton is not an option for me.
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and bump this TB up.
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One thing that does bother me about Obama's judgement: his opposition to the war I agree with. His desire to pull out after the fact seems disasterous. On the other hand, though McCain supported war, he has not supported the war strategy. Like Dubya, he is willing to take the unpopular stand. Unlike Bush, he doesn't think he is right just because he's right.
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That's fascinating. I'll tell you why.
Firstly, I like McCain and respect him. Probably because he's not a rabid NeoCon and is a true Paleo-Conservative who has some moderate views. Very middle ground kinda guy. I only wish he hadn't sang "Bomb Iran". That's a turnoff. And a real feisty politician who, 8 years after getting trounced and smeared by Karl Rove, came back strong.
Now about Obama. I confess that before this Talkback, I gave him little to no heed. My mind was made up for Clinton. But this TB, and the views of Conservatives like you, have really opened my eyes to the guy.
Obviously you are not a shrill NeoCon like Rush Limbaugh and the talk radio hate brigade. I recently read up on what the noise is all about with those people and McCain. I can't even believe they have the audacity to regard themselves as Conservatives. They are dangerous, reactionary wingnuts.
The fact that you like Obama says a lot about the state of our country and the desire for a cross-party solution to solve the many problems we have. I think I may even throw $50 to the Obama campaign today. -
Thanks again for the conversation .. talk to you later.
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I would love McCain simply for the fact that Ann Coulter hates him. Much of the "conservative" hatred comes from the idea that he hates tax cuts. That is a misrepresentation. What he LIKES is a balanced budget...the bane of politicians everywhere...
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doesn't mean we can't keep using it, people. Save it to your favorite places. We should keep this going until the election in November. This has to be the most interesting talkback about REAL issues in this web site's history.
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How do you think we got ours???
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He means not achievable through war IN IRAQ. I think we've pretty much established that Democracy being achieved through peace is the exception rather than the rule. If it took England a thousand years to get it (The US is just an extension of England in this regard) and Russia is still struggling, I don't have much faith (lots of hope, little faith) in poor Iraq.
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The tax issue is simple. Mccain's goal is a balanced budget. That's why he is not black and white on taxes. Cutting taxes can "increase revenue", but only under certain circumstances and only to a certain degree. You simply can't pay your bills without income. It is possible that he even would like to do away with the current tax code. But instead of dreaming about what Shangri la he would like to have like the other candidates he works toward making the best of what is possible. Huckabee and Romney can talk all they want about borders and tax cuts but in the end it is just that: talk. And please don't even mention Ron Paul's fantasyland. You make a great point about him (as president) not being able to make the tax cuts permanent. Lots of people pick the president based on what he/she thinks about certain issues many (most?) of which don't apply. The way to affect tax reform is through congress, not the oval office. Mccain is an enigma only in that he is a politico that thinks with his head without first consulting his parties playbook, or the latest opinion polls.
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is one of Hilary's advisors in her bid for the White House. This is an outrage and yet one more reason to not vote for that cow. She's employing a man who pilfered TOP SECRET DOCUMENTS in his underwear that involved their treatment of possible terror attacks during Bill's terms in office. Two of those documents he DESTROYED so no one could ever read them. And she's employing him AGAIN!? THEY'D THROW AWAY THE KEY IF IT WERE SOMEONE ON HERE DOING THAT!!! THIS IS THE CLASS DIVISION, not the gap between hardworking rich people and whiny welfarers.
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Let me state this again and clarify for the leftists just tuning in...Name me another 4 year ground war when the loss of US military only numbers 3900 AND casualties of 29,000. You can't because there hasn't.
To directly answer BSB
*Firstly, who's to judge 3,900 dead soldiers an "acceptable" figure?*
Well...that would be anybody who is willing to look at the history of armed conflict and open enough to get some perspective. How many did we lose on D-day?
*Are you prepared to tell Pat Tillman's family that their son's death is acceptable*
Yes. The same way I told my Marine nephew's dead friend's parents. "Your son knew the risks and still volunteered. He was a warrior; I am humbled by his bravery. The debt I owe to you and your son can never be repaid. My heart breaks for you."
*they should remain unemotional?*
No, that's ridiculous.
*And that their nation does not owe him or them its sorrow for their loss*
What? We owe him a debt we can never repay…see above. We all do certainly feel sorry for the loss.
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What I mean is, he doesn't let popular opinion dictate his stance. And the reason there are so many social services is because that is what people want. That's who they vote for.
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I truly wish, as an American and a voter, that each of us had to convey, just once, the loss of a fallen soldier to their loved ones, in order TO BE an American and a voter.Yeah, I'm hearkening Starship Troopers here, but honestly, the humility is as wrenching as the perspective it offers.
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We could have had this talkback going until November, but you'd rather talk about Sam Laimi and Ellesbian Page.
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Obama can go suck ol' woofer with his nub nub. Muslims want all of our women to stay in tents and wear mummy masks all fuckin day. I ain't gonna have it, ya hear?
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