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UNIVERSAL - IF YOU LET RATNER DIRECT THE WOLF MAN YOU'LL DESERVE THE TURD YOU'LL END UP RELEASING ON SCREEN!!!

Hey Universal, Harry here... Typically we get along. We haven't been pissed at each other in a long while. But that's because you've been making pretty good films. And this year was looking very very good. You've got Clooney's LEATHERHEADS - which I'm dying to see. You've got FORGETTING SARAH MARSHALL, which is under the radar right now, but that I've heard really good word on. On July 11th, you've got Guillermo Del Toro's HELLBOY 2 which I'm vibrating in anticipation for. Then there's that ABBA musical MAMMA MIA! which could be amazingly fun... well, will be. I'm a little terrified by the third MUMMY film - but dammit - Abominable Snowmen versus Terracotta Soldiers brought to life - well, it has me giddy. And the talent behind THE TALE OF DESPERAUX has me curious. I can't conceive of the problems you must have felt were in place to see Mark Romanek leave THE WOLFMAN. That you were set to start shooting in 3 weeks... it's truly a nightmare situation. The artwork that Rick Baker created under Mark's watchful eye is literally stunning. And I know looking at the boards and the make up and the pre-vis that Mark set up - you're looking for a shooter to step in and just deliver the movie that Mark conceived on the schedule you need it shot on. Well word has reached me, from an incredibly reliable source - that you've settled on Brett Ratner as the director. With the work that Romanek, Baker and Benicio have done - I have no doubt that Brett will capture enough magic to assemble a trailer campaign that will sell the film. But you really need much more than a trailer. As a studio... as UNIVERSAL STUDIOS - you have very few icons. There's FRANKENSTEIN, DRACULA, THE WOLFMAN, CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOON, THE INVISIBLE MAN, THE BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN... they're the characters and the franchises that sealed the launch of UNIVERSAL -- and in the relaunching of these characters - you must be careful. The direction you were headed in with THE WOLFMAN was exactly right. You had a director that has rock solid visual acumen, but that even better... was a director that sought the soul of his character. That was exploring greatness with the actors. This film could have been a new legendary frontier for the studio. The decision you're making right now - could reflect badly upon the studio. You already chose poorly when you hired Paul W.S. Anderson to remake DEATH RACE 2000. And I'm betting that as that film is coming in, you're seeing that. Brett Ratner makes watchable films. Movies that go through your system as if consumed off a soapy plate. They're empty - hollow works. He's a terrible ACTOR's director. His basement is a disco, and the Wolfman has no disco in his soul. This is a PERIOD film - to make a convincing period film you need a director for an eye for details... Someone that knows this world and period. X3 was a financial success - but that was based on an incredibly successful franchise by Singer. Ratner killed it. Made the WORST FILM OF THE SERIES - and Fox sold it brilliantly. Dare to make the great film. STOP. Find a different director... please. Larry Talbot is cursed enough as is.... do not curse him further with the Ratner. I beg you. Please.

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  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:04 p.m. CST

    DAVID SLADE!

    by Series7

    He isn't doing anything. And 30 days of night is way better then Photo Shop guy.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Meh

    by Zeke2517

    One Hour Photo was pretty good and Benicio Del Toro rocks the shit in them early pics but damn it if Ratner wouldn't fuck this right up. And 3 weeks to start... Damn...

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Or

    by Series7

    Mitchell Lichtenstein he is hip right now. Haven't seen teeth but it looks like he can handle mood movies.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Hey Tom Bodet...

    by Goochbag

    I've got a light you can leave on, it says, "Hello. My name on the aintitcool talkbacks is Tom Bodet. I like when guys rape me." It's a neon light.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:06 p.m. CST

    "His basement is a disco and the Wolfman has no disco in his sou

    by chiahead

    "His basement is a disco and the Wolfman has no disco in his soul..." <BR><BR>damn that's poetic. In a Ratneresque sort of way anyway...

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:07 p.m. CST

    How is Bret Ratner

    by Series7

    So easily obtainable? Maybe James Wan could prove that he isn't a one trick pony.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:07 p.m. CST

    MiraJeff!

    by drew mcweeny

    This is all your fault! Blame MiraJeff! He did this!

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:09 p.m. CST

    ok

    by Series7

    Don't care anymore finally getting to watch King of Kong. Billy Mitchell looks like a wolfman.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Wolf Man?

    by jimmy_009

    Why the hell would they make Wolf Man? Talk about boring.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Billy Mitchell.

    by Goochbag

    He doesn't look like a wolfman. He looks like a manman.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Damn it

    by ChickenDelicious

    Ratner did not make money for Fox. X-MEN made money for Fox, despite Ratner. Don't do it, Universal!

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:13 p.m. CST

    I wonder

    by Series7

    how many arcade sluts Billy Mitchell got back in the day?

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Next time I take a dump...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    ...I'm gonna say, "I'm going to take a Ratner."

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Wolf Man?

    by skywalkerfamily

    Welcome to 1953

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:19 p.m. CST

    ONE HOUR PHOTO

    by HEADGEEK

    It is a masterful, tiny film. I loved the performance he got out of Robin Williams and the rest of the cast. The shot selection and lighting was exquisite. <BR><BR>X3 - was ruined by Tom Rothman's horrible screenwriting hiring decisions and his insane schedule. Ratner made it all that much worse. His handle on action was clumsy and his use of visual fx was near retarded. He has the skill of a convict picking up trash alongside the highway.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Harry trying to stir geek indignation directly.

    by greenstyle92

    But lets be frank: The only people really interested in the legacy of universal monster franchises are major film buffs/historians. You can surround yourself with staff on your site that share your sensibilities, Harry, but what makes you think the rest of us care?

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Yeah Romanek

    by Series7

    Is no David Fincher. I guess Harry is as big of a fan of Closer as Gus Van Sant is. Only is almost a better video then Closer and Perfect Drug, they are all pretty close. At least Chris Cunningham worked on an Alien movie.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Ratner is Hollywood's bitch

    by zooch

    "Creative Issues" getting you down? Call 1-800-HIRE-A-HACK and we'll send Brett Ratner right away. 100% Guaranteed to finish your film in time, under budget, and ready for mass consumption or your money back!

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Harry !

    by m_prevette

    You're an idiot - SHUT UP.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:26 p.m. CST

    If they're under such a time crunch...

    by CountryBoy

    ... how many options do they have? Are there a lot of brilliant directors sitting by their phones (so to speak), wishing for a project?

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Ratner on directing The Wolf Man

    by drbenway59

    "Wolf Man? Yeah. I'd be great for that. That's perfect for me. I watched all these wolf man movies growing up. All these old Universal monster movies. Wolf Man, Frankenstein, Wolf Man... Stuff like that. I watch that stuff all the time. I watch at least one monster movie every day. At least one scene from the wolf man every day. I'm watching it right now."

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:27 p.m. CST

    I don't know about this

    by MC-909

    Hate to say it, but Ratner might actually be a good choice. He had shot X-Men 3 in a rushed schedule and it turned out not as bad as it could have. Rush Hour 3 was a pile of unfunny shit though.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Mark Pellington...

    by kuldan

    Has an eye for character dread. Might he be a decent choice? Hell of a lot better than Brett Ratner, whose name single-handedly makes me not care about a movie. "Rush Hour 3" was so empty and hollow, it was like a B-sides to "Rush Hour 2." They took the unused (and sometimes used jokes) from the last feature that made the cutting room floor and used them in part 3. I guess Universal figured Romanek made enough head work to get the project rolling with someone who will find every way to waste their production money.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Damn you, MiraWhiff!

    by DocPazuzu

    Dr. Boll didn't hit you hard enough.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Brett Ratner...

    by kuldan

    Also successfully used CGI work with Jackie Chan instead of having him do some actual stunts in "Rush Hour 2," making him the first director to totally waste Chan's talents and trademarks. What a lazy bastard (Ratner, not Chan. Chan got paid to listen to his director).

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:29 p.m. CST

    grenstyle92

    by BadMrWonka

    what the fuck, this is a MOVIE GEEK'S WEBSITE, a lot of us care about stuff like this.<p>I'm sure entertainment weekly has a website, if you're not comfortable here. maybe you wanna go fuck off there?

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Hellboy sucked

    by Lucasblows

    Period.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Stop talking to corporations as if they're people...

    by V'Shael

    It's retarded.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:31 p.m. CST

    MiraJeff YOU SON OF A BITCH!

    by Kloipy

    How the fuck could you do this to us!?!?!

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:33 p.m. CST

    BadMrWonka

    by Series7

    I'd much rather talk about this then shoving my head up my ass and talk about how cool Juno is. Which has been a lot recently on this site. Come on Wolfman is geek news, maybe you should go hang out with the Shwarts Bomb and masturbate to Atonement.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Anybody but Ratner.

    by cinemixtape.com

    If you're going to let that moron take over, you might as well let me direct - give it to an unkown. Contact me. I am offering my services.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:34 p.m. CST

    oops BadMrWonka

    by Series7

    I read your post wrong. My bad. I am trying to watch King of Kong and this thread unfold at the same time.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Stop talking to corporations as if they give a fuck what you say

    by randie1313

    You pretentious asshat. Why not try breaking some actual news around here just for fun.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:37 p.m. CST

    oh stop shouting.

    by frankenfickle

    who cares about the wolfman. sheesh.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:37 p.m. CST

    why so down on the Rat? "Family Man" was good

    by lettersoftransit

    Actually, very good. I'd've let the kids watch it Christmas time if not for the naked ladies

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Aw Shit

    by FatherMcGruderKicksAssForTheLord

    When I saw this in the other TB, I just assumed it was harmless. Here it is again, somehow more valid. This is friggin' stupid, as Ratner should OBVIOUSLY be confined to DTV & HBO softcore. That guy must suck a MEAN dick.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:42 p.m. CST

    MiraJeff can suck a fuck

    by Bob of the Shire

    Ratner needs to find a new profession, I suggest he test land mines with his face. That'd be a good fit, methinks.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:42 p.m. CST

    A little thing called "acting" ruined X 3 too.

    by skywalkerfamily

    Despite the big names they were acting like they were in high school play.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Oh god please no... say it isn't so!!!

    by Kirbymanly

    PLEASE, universal...PLEASE do not hire Ratner!!!

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Penny Marshall should direct Wolf Man

    by Heckles

    She could also star as the title character. No makeup needed.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Ratner is as talented a filmmaker as Michelangelo was a painter.

    by HIGH DEF JEFF

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=yIMAr7pw-40

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Youtube Link Above.

    by HIGH DEF JEFF

    No spaces between yIM and Ar7

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Any style and substance this movie could have has been

    by skimn

    obliterated. I rented Rush Hour 3 on a whim, and can't believe people paid good money to see that in an actual motion picture theater. Rat "Bastard" Ner, thanks for pissing on another promising movie...wasn't Red Dragon a Universal flick..?

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Tykwer

    by half vader

    Cmon cmon please please please.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Can we get the same kind of rant for Transformers 2?

    by Han Cholo

    Please Harry, you have the power to help get a superior sequel made. No shit.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Get off the Ratner hate...

    by badboymason

    Not every director can be Alfred Hitchcock. Was X3 a masterpiece? No. Is Ratner as good as Singer? No, but he managed to make X3 a decent superhero movie that finally paid off on the promise of larger scale mutant battles that Singer chickened out of on X1 and X2. It didn't try to be deep, but I'd rather have a shallow success than the wank that passed for 'characterisation' in Spider-Man 3. I would think that Ratner's experience on X3 would qualify him completely - whatever you think of the film, he basically had no choice but to shoot the script/cast he was handed. Any major problem you have with the film can't be laid at his feet. From what I understand, any other director would be in the same situation on this film, so it's not like some visionary is going to come in and rework it - the script/cast is going to get shot as is, so Ratner will do as good a job as anyone. Anyways, it's the FUCKING WOLF MAN, not Hamlet.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:55 p.m. CST

    A QUESTION OF LOGIC

    by Doctor Cosmic

    If a fat nerd bitches and moans in the nerd wilderness... ...does anyone give a shit? Doc

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Dear Universal,

    by cinemaniac1979

    Please don't let Ratner direct anything ever again.<p><p> Sincerely,<p><p> Everyone

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 7:04 p.m. CST

    UNIVERSAL HAS CHOSEN BRETT RATNER AND HERE'S WHY:

    by Pound Sand

    it just feels right: The Wolfman's got the nards, and Brett's under contract.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 7:05 p.m. CST

    so sad...

    by red ezra

    movies could be cool but artists dont get to make decisions that let them be most of the time

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Hellboy DIDN'T Suck

    by 5 by 5

    Period.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 7:06 p.m. CST

    is Rick Baker dusting off the Thriller-era wolf costume?

    by Pound Sand

    Because that'd be the shit. Breaking dancing werewolves equals huge box office and Universal knows it.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 7:07 p.m. CST

    WHAT ABOUT WOLFMAN'S NARDS?

    by Pound Sand

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 7:09 p.m. CST

    X3 was an excellent movie. Lay off the Ratner hatred

    by theycallmemrglass

    Be thankful they even found a director in such short time. Be thankful they did not hire a crap director. Be thankful they did not hire an MTV hyperactive music video director. Be thankful that a Wolfman is even being made after such debacle as WOLF with Jack Nicolson and Van Helsing. X3 was a movie that entertained in large quantity for movie-goers not Comic book readers.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 7:10 p.m. CST

    ISN'T THERE AN INTERWEB PETITION I CAN E-SIGN?

    by Pound Sand

    X-3 was so bad, I only saw it eight times.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Family Man dispells Harry's notion about Ratner...

    by KillaKane

    not being an actor's director, cloying sentiment aside, it was a thoroughly well played film, and IMHO one Cage's better performances of late. I don't hate Ratner with the vehemence Harry evidently does, but I don't think he's right for Wolfman, he's just not cut out for such genre work.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 7:15 p.m. CST

    theycallmemrglass...

    by HueyFreeman

    You DO know the Ratner directed two music videos, one for Mariah Carey (We Belong Together) and another for Jessica Simpson (These Boots Are Made for Walkin') before X-Men 3, yeah?

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 7:15 p.m. CST

    X3 was an excellent movie. The Rush Hours were good

    by chrth

    Ratner is probably a good choice for a movie I know little and care less about.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 7:17 p.m. CST

    X3 was excellent?

    by -guyinthebackrow

    I'm sorry, were you dropped on your head as an infant?

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Ratner is the cinematic equivalent of Teflon

    by successor

    Every time I see one of his movies on TV, I can't watch it for more than a few seconds before I lose interest and slip over to another channel.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 7:23 p.m. CST

    The funny thing...

    by AnimalStructure

    As bad as Ratner is, he's no worse than most directors this site masturbates to on a daily basis. He is a good director for hire, when you assemble the right people around him. He is not a creative force, but if all the pieces are in place, I can't imagine the film being any worse than under Romanek's terrible 1990's eye. One Hour Photo is a really funny movie cause of how hard it tries. Robin Williams gives one of the funniest performances of his life in a truly absurd, boring, annoying film. At least X3 was good and entertaining. Ratner is shit, but you're all assuming the film would have been great with Romanek. I think if the movie ends up sucking it would have sucked no matter what. It's the fucking Wolf Man for Christ's sake! Get a motherfucking grip! Ratner won't destroy this film or make it better. Period. He's a serviceable hack at best, and no worse than Bryan Singer.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 7:29 p.m. CST

    AnimalStructure is dead on...

    by slapface22

    .. well in the whole Ratner is no worse than Singer, honestly why not get Mel Gibson direct??? He definitely could do a period piece, and wolf man is pretty crazy just like him... which only leaves the question does Benicio mind being called "sugar tits"???

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 7:29 p.m. CST

    My official shit list

    by EvilGeek1

    1. Michael Bay 2. Mark Steven Johnson 3. Brett Ratner 4. Karyn Kusama 5. Bono I've got cold hard cash, if anybody feels like murdering the above slowly.

  • Wow. Isnt there something else they could give this guy to helm? Like maybe a direct to video jessica simpson movie? There are so many people who would be a great fit for directing this, but right now someone is thinking "Hey, we were going to pay homage to a classic by taking the time to get creative talent onboard and make something of quality.......but we had creative differences and went with Brett Ratner." Universal, enjoy your 40 million dollar opening weekend, followed by a decade of so-so reviews.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 7:30 p.m. CST

    You know who should direct this?

    by The Dum Guy

    David Fincher...<br><br>Well, I guess Ratner could do okay if he has an alright script. I just want to know if this is going to be R-rated, although I'm pretty sure it won't.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 7:30 p.m. CST

    I AGREE

    by THE KNIGHT

    Lets hope Universal hires a competent director with SOUL!

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 7:34 p.m. CST

    slapface22

    by MC-909

    I don't know if you were serious or not but I think a Mel Gibson directed Wolfman movie would be pretty cool.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 7:37 p.m. CST

    No! We need someone who's been around the block!

    by EvilGeek1

    Someone with the experience of Coppola. The story-telling capability of Spielberg. The visual eye of De Palma. I can't think of anything else but you get the picture. Somebody good!

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Called it....

    by LHombreSiniestro

    ...as did everyone else. Ratner is like that guy you know at parties who gives your female friends herpes. You tell your friends as much, but they scoff and say "But he can dance, and he's a nice guy. You're lying, I don't see anything." Just wait a few weeks, and see what develops.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 7:42 p.m. CST

    I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA!!!

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    in ass fucking backwards land! ohhhhhhh bbbuuuurrrrrnnnnnn!!!!!

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Universal's check

    by simndermot

    Universal must have been late with Harry's check either that or Harry found his boys under the couch. If the latter is true, props to you Harry for calling it like it is.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Jackie Mason should direct this.

    by henrydalton

    Well, why not?

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 7:52 p.m. CST

    HAHAHAHAH! DO IT! DO IT! I DARE YOU!

    by Tourist

    Oh god, this is too fucking funny to be true. This needs to be done. It's like all our nightmares came true at once. They can flush this turd now.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 7:57 p.m. CST

    LCD filmmaking rules the day

    by ebonic_plague

    LCD = lowest common denominator, just in case some studio hack is reading. The thing we talkbackers don't seem to get is that Universal doesn't want to make movies, they want to make money, and the movie business is just a slightly less corrupt way to make money selling people unimaginative, soul-corroding product than, say, trafficking in narcotics. Ratner could film a turd laying on a sidewalk for 90 minutes, and as long as it makes more money than it cost to film, it's a win for the studios and a pat on the back and a mark in the win column for Ratboy. The general moviegoing public couldn't distinguish a good movie from an internet pop-up ad, and as long as there aren't subtitles and it features someone who has been in People magazine within the past week, it will get 3 stars from the average automatons who pay just enough attention to movies to drown out the noise of their howling spawn or who just want to see big 'splosions and tits. Things like atmosphere and innovation have been reduced to vestigial marketing words, like "hearty" or "home-made," intended to convey a genuine sense of artistic integrity that cannot survive a barrage of test-market stupidity to make it into the finished product. That's all we're getting here, not movies-- product. And Ratner is the most efficient at producing adequate money-making product. Maybe that's okay for Mirajeff, maybe some people are genuinely appreciative of a movie studio's business acumen, but don't pretend that you champion quality in moviemaking when you make excuses for this processed cheese hack masquerading as an artist.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 7:57 p.m. CST

    OH GOD

    by Gungan Slayer

    SHIT. SHIT SHIT SHIT. Harry, your letter to Roth and the other retards at FOX never stopped them from making AvP2 suck ass. Shit. SHIT. Brett Ranter? wtf?

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 7:59 p.m. CST

    It doesn't matter at this point who they hire...

    by Tourist

    ...Really. If the production is already this far underway, and they aren't willing to allow another director to develop his take on it, you could hire God or Brett Ratner and get the same product. They just need someone to finish the end game. That said, they could have got Joe Dante on the cheap to mimic the look and feel of the old wolfman films. Which I guess they don't want.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8 p.m. CST

    I didn't care for X3 either, but...

    by LoneGun

    ...I agree with many Talkbackers that the hate for Brett Ratner is just a little over-the-top. I'm not a fan by any means but I thought he did a decent job with RED DRAGON. As for Mark Romanek, I didn't think his ONE HOUR PHOTO was all that great. It was okay. I do think Harry's suggestion of David Cronenberg (in another post) is a good one. Cronenberg is a master of films about people changing into something different.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Well put ebonic_plague!

    by EvilGeek1

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8:03 p.m. CST

    I've seen all of Ratners films...

    by Tourist

    ...Fot the people jumping to his defence, you are fucking pond scum. Some fucking loser, some retarded asshat up there was defending Family Man as an indication of Rats abilities. You should be shot, and your family too, for breeding such a simple minded, non thinking douche moron. Do you have any taste or imagination at all? Do you ever watch or read anything that isn't presented by Network TV? What kind of fucking personal standards do you fucking losers set for yourselves?

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Aw shit! never thought of Cronenberg!

    by EvilGeek1

    He'd be fucking great!

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8:06 p.m. CST

    Nothing Wrong With Ratner

    by Funketeer

    X3 didn't suck. It was probably better than the first one. It suffered from a sub par script, some serious wasted opportunities, Singer poaching one of it's stars for Superman Returns (THAT movie sucked), and a rushed production schedule. Ratner could probably have done a much better job had he been given more time. You also can't blame Ratner for not having Jackie Chan do his own stunts. Chan hasn't done that in any of his US films. The studios and the insurance costs prohibit it.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8:07 p.m. CST

    JAMES MANGOLD OR GREGORY HOBLIT!

    by Unlabled

    PREFERABLY MANGOLD!

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8:09 p.m. CST

    I'm pretty sure...

    by greenstyle92

    No one had an opinion on Ratner one way or another until he did Red Dragon. I haven't seen it, but apparently people were disappointed by it. Since then, he's some kind of hack apparently and there's a major crusade against his career. Meh.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Harry, one problem

    by Deathpool

    I don't think they care. Deep down, all they care about is that it makes money, and Ratner will do that for them. Search your heart, you know it to be true.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8:17 p.m. CST

    MORI

    by The Real MiraJeff

    Jeez, I hope you're not right. I'd be flattered if you were, but surely you're joking. I wasn't advocating Ratner stepping in to direct, I was merely saying that I didn't think it would be the end of the world if he did. I loved One Hour Photo and I can't believe Romanek hasn't made another film since that one. I remember watching it in my dorm room Freshman year with a temp Requiem for a Dream score in place and it was even better than the theatrical release. Romanek has made countless classic music videos. I know Cash's Hurt gets mentioned a lot but I love his work on NIN's Perfect Drug. It's obvious that because Romanek hasn't made another film since OHP that he's been working his ass off on this project and like Harry, I can't imagine what made him abandon his baby just 3 weeks before shooting. That said, if they delay this project, stars could walk and all the hard work Baker and Romanek did would be for naught. Now Universal just needs to make the best out of a bad situation. And maybe Ratner isn't an Actor's director and his films rarely penetrate the surface of their characters, but if the blueprint is there, and Hopkins and Del Toro demand greatness, I think Ratner has the tools capable of seeing him rise to the challenge. I thought he did a good job with Red Dragon. It was never going to be Manhunter. But Hopkins did a good job for him and so did Norton and Fiennes and Watson. X3 took a lot of shit but I felt it was pretty much on par with the original. Obviously there was no way he was ever going to top X2, one of if not the greatest superhero movie ever made. I've made a bunch of suggestions on the site, some inspired, others retarded, and while I doubt anyone in any position of authority gives a shit what I think, if this is the one time they do choose to listen, it wouldn't be so bad. My point is this. Brett Ratner is not the Devil. I've met him a couple times (once at LAX baggage claim) and he's actually a pretty good guy. Him and Woody are still the only celebs who've taken the time to get on the phone with my mom to say hello (after the After the Sunset junket). He's an NYU guy so there's some allegiance there. He comes from a rich family but he's a self-made man and the story of how he came to be a filmmakers is pretty fascinating. He's got balls and he knows all the shit he catches on the web but he's a fuckin workhorse and he doesn't let that shit affect him. Despite the playboy image, I think he's one of us, a real movie nerd, and I for one hold out hope that he'll do justice to this iconic character. Whoever ends up in the director's chair, it's pretty cool that we'll be seeing Wolf Man in two years' time. Don't focus on the negative, accentuate the positive. I'm just glad Wold Man is being played by Benicio and not Robin Williams.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8:18 p.m. CST

    Ratner cocked up Red Dragon

    by EvilGeek1

    Mann got it right! Aside from being a good thriller, it has the bent appeal of having all the cheesy 80's moments speckled like flakes of gold throughout the movie. Plus I would cite Manhunter as being one of the rare examples of changing something from the book for the film. I'm talking, of course, of the shotgun climax played out to the tune of "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida", which I think is pure fucking gold. Also I realise I'm rambling, but I don't care as I've waited quite some time to say this and for it to have at least some relevance.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8:19 p.m. CST

    It's because it's crunch time @ Universal.

    by Rakafraker

    They've hired Mr. Ratner because he can get it done on time and within budget, and with 3 weeks until shooting, and $85M invested, it has to be completed or there will many a head rolling (and many $$$ wasted). <p>Everyone agrees that Ratner isn't the best director on Earth, but at least it isn't Boll, PWSAnderson, or Somers. It's also agreed that this project is bigger than Universal realizes. What a waste IMHO, if they can't hire someone who fits this project better.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Abominable Snowmen versus Terracotta Soldiers

    by Yeti

    Ok that I gotta see!

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8:25 p.m. CST

    TOO SOON!!

    by Pageiv

    I'm glad AICN is here so I know I shouldn't like X3 or Spiderman 3. BTW: I dont really like Ratner, but One Hour Photo ruled.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8:25 p.m. CST

    What about Drew Goddard?

    by Yeti

    I thought the direction in Cloverfield was very good. Thoughts?

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8:25 p.m. CST

    two more

    by The Real MiraJeff

    P.S. I think Slade or Pellington would be cool too. I didn't see 30 Days of Night but Hard Candy was great and the visual look of the film was fantastic. I think that was the first movie to include a digital color correctionist in the opening credits. I'm also a big fan of Mothman and Arlington Road, although I heard Pellington's latest at Sundance sucked. Last night when I posted that thing about Ratner, I had no idea he was even available to direct this. I thought he was still working on the Hugh Hefner movie or the one about a window washer at the Trump Towers. It'll be very interesting to see who Universal settles on...

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Cronenberg? That's pretty inspired!

    by Rakafraker

    Especially if it turned out to be as authentic as Naked Lunch felt. <p>Good suggestion!

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Yeti

    by EvilGeek1

    Shaky cam Wolfman? I like it! You get Cthulhu on the phone and I'll type it up! We're gonna make so much money!!!

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Todd Field

    by Nate Champion

    I'd love to see him take the depth of Little Children to a movie like this.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8:34 p.m. CST

    X-3 is better than the first 2

    by Musicballs

    Well, maybe not better than the first one, but definitely better than that second piece of brooding SHIT.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8:35 p.m. CST

    doesnt matter who directs it

    by stephen brown

    if universal promote someone taking a shit for 2 hours successfully enough millions of jokers will watch it

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8:35 p.m. CST

    The Mummy 3???

    by The_Deathticle

    Abominable snowmen fighting terra cotta soldiers. Really, Harry? That makes you giddy? I will concede that the concept may have scored some points on the geekometer if it were a trippy Ray Harryhausen sequence about forty years ago. However, the notion of Sommers and his off-the-shelf CGI software cooking up aforementioned battle leaves me not so much "giddy" as "nauseated." Have you so quickly forgotten that awful looking Army of Mummified Anubi from Mummy Returns? Sommers makes crap. The CGI in his movies ranks among the worst I've seen in "big budget" movies. I still refuse to believe ILM was responsible for that crap and insist that it's all a hoax. Terrible.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8:37 p.m. CST

    HIRE RATNER FTW!!!

    by Mike_D

    DO IT!

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8:38 p.m. CST

    WOLF MAN Should Be Shot In A Faux Documentary Style

    by LaserPants

    to really shake it up, the entire film could be shot by the Wolf Man his own self! He would be walking around his east village apartment filming everything he does because hes that obsessed and has to tape everything. He even tapes some random girl he picked up at some bar and fucked. He's all like in love with her now even though only assholes fall in love after fucking once. Anyways, flash forward to night time and Wolf man and all his trust fund hipster douchebag friends are hanging out (Wolf Man hasn't stopped taping; he tapes EVERYTHING all the time), the full moon comes out and Wolf Man turns into, you guessed it, WOLF MAN! Then some guy screams about a Lion. Then Wolf Man starts killing people... and he films it all too! The rest of the movie is Wolf Man and his friends killing people. They do all sorts of insane stupid stuff, get hit by cars, fall out of helicopters, get eaten by even bigger monsters, and yet continue to film, and only die when they launch a big bomb -- but not before Wolf Man can know he found true love in some one night stand he just had. The End.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8:40 p.m. CST

    I hated all three X-men's

    by EvilGeek1

    They lacked the imagination and scope of the comics and cartoon series. They went for this realistic modern day approach which to me was complete bullshit. ONE FUCKING SENTINEL IN ALL THREE MOVIES AND IT WAS A FUCKING HOLOGRAM!!! And what's the point in doing Wolverine? he stole all the fucking thunder in the three movies. Fucking prequels. Oh wow he has claws. Whoopee!

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Nick Meyer , yes Nick Meyer

    by picardsucks

    Besides directing the best Trek and infusing it with a genuine Master and Commander like period flavor on a tv budget and Time after Time which might be the best Ripper adaptation ever. Meyer also writes some amazing Sherlock Holmes works which I assume is the period in which The Wolfman takes place. One of the books had Holmes facing off against The Phantom of the Opera and it was gripping!! Nick Meyer, mark my words, could do this and bring a reverance for the haunting Victorian age that is needed. Plus he could be had on the cheap compared with the hacky direct to video directors that are prob being considered. Nicholas Fucking Meyer !!! Can't believe the guy doesn't get more work

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8:43 p.m. CST

    LaserPants

    by EvilGeek1

    I'm suing you for copyright infringement.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8:45 p.m. CST

    LaserPants FOR THE FUCKING WIN!

    by Pennsy

    Brilliant, sir.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Let Harry Direct it!

    by FILMFUNK

    Or better still just let Benicio, Baker and Hopkins all muck in and get it done coz Who needs a fucking director anyway!

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Your Lawsuit Should Be Shot Faux Documentary Style

    by LaserPants

    You would be hanging around your place of residence filming everything you do, even typing on AICN, and then you would wait for a reply, and then you would film yourself reading this which I'm typing right now...

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Pennsy

    by LaserPants

    I try...

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Ratner+Tucker=Scorsese+De Niro

    by Nezzer6364

    At least according to Bret. http://tinyurl.com/34j2mp

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8:53 p.m. CST

    HA!

    by EvilGeek1

    I actually looked behind me when I read that! Good one! But we could always kick it up a notch. Film myself filming myself! Wanna get in on the viral marketing?

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Ratner is a greater enemy of cinema than Uwe Boll

    by CokeMachineGlow

    Boll may by the worst director, but at least he directs crap projects that have little chance of being interesting anyhow. Ratner takes projects and franchises that could be great and flushes them down the toilet to make the studio a quick buck.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8:55 p.m. CST

    You know I just worry

    by Series7

    that Rick Baker is going to let that Norbit oscar go to his head.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8:56 p.m. CST

    What's Tim Story got going on?

    by classyfredblassy

    Really that is the only name to do this that would be worse. I hear Count Floyd crying as he is reading this. Poor fucker.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Tm Burton should direct the Wolf Man

    by Bubba Gillman

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8:58 p.m. CST

    The Viral Marketing of EvilGeek1 Has Begun!

    by LaserPants

    Stay tuned for viral sites and clues! Reserve your tickets now! (lol) Film yourself filming yourself filming yourself filming yourself filming yourself... Dude, this is gonna get waaaay post-modern and meta! (lol)

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8:59 p.m. CST

    UNIVERSAL, I AM THE ALPHA AND OMEGA

    by Flying Spaghetti Monster

    HEED HARRY'S WARNING OR FACE MY WRATH....you know not what you do

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 9:01 p.m. CST

    X3 is shit

    by ebonic_plague

    Please stop pretending it's anything but a total cinematic turd. I know taste in movies is subjective and blah blah blah, but honestly, X3 was a bad fucking movie, and if you disagree with this statement, you are wrong.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 9:02 p.m. CST

    Rick Baker Prep Work on this

    by mattb68

    doe it involve any of the character's indulging in carnivorious lunar activities ?

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Thank you LaserPants and thank you human cloning...

    by EvilGeek1

    Without their efforts none of these films would be possible. What we should do now is leave it for six months and don't show the EvilGeek1. People will speculate over what it is or where it's from. They'll wonder over the line "It's Irish! It's huge!" and everyone will soon be doing the Bono dance!

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 9:08 p.m. CST

    THIRD QUARTER MOON IS UPON US

    by Flying Spaghetti Monster

    I SHALL SMITE THEE WITH MY NOODLY APPENDAGE

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Seriously...

    by vanchimera

    It's the fucking wolfman, does anyone really give a shit anymore?

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Brett Ratner is FINE. Harry just shut the fuck up

    by Proman1984

    He sure beats Eli Roth, that's for sure.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 9:20 p.m. CST

    DONKEY!!!

    by ludmir88

    sorry i had to say something. And X-Men 3 sucks btw.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Anyone defending Brett Ratner is a philistine

    by IndustryKiller!

    It's just that simple and inarguable. If you can't see that that mans body of work is ungodly you are a tasteless philistine. Moreover, it's probably indicative of a bigger flaw in your character. What other obvious things do you have trouble recognizing....you moron.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Harry, why don't you direct it if you can do better

    by Vamp-AICNchat

    A? A? A?

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 9:31 p.m. CST

    this sucks balls!

    by virtual_ninja

    At least Brett Ratner didnt get the gig to direct the escape from new york remake. He would have fucked up a clasic.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 9:34 p.m. CST

    industrykiller

    by MC-909

    I wouldnt defend Ratner but from the studios POV hes the most obvious (and probably most available) choice.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 9:42 p.m. CST

    where is TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION...

    by travis-dane

    when you need him?

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 9:43 p.m. CST

    Guillermo Del Toro

    by BrightEyes

    WOULD BE THE BEST CHOICE.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 9:59 p.m. CST

    I still don't understand why we care about this movie?

    by chrth

    If it isn't a live-action telling of Zevon's song, it's not worth doing.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 10 p.m. CST

    WTF is with you people and Ratner?!

    by digitalcos

    Seriously, I don't get it. Where is all this hatred coming from? I'm not about to say he's the best director working in Holywood, but is he really all that bad? Really?<p>I honestly think it's just that it's become cool to hate him because everybody else is doing it.<p>If that's not the case, then someone give me a well thought out explaination as to why I should hate him, something beyond "because Harry does."

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 10 p.m. CST

    vanchimera

    by THE KNIGHT

    obviously people do... dumbass...

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Ratner = Hack

    by ZombiKiller86

    and you all know it.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Oh no....

    by buffywrestling

    In one way this is really fucking terrible. But in another, really fucking funny. Mira Jeff, you suck :P

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 10:24 p.m. CST

    Singer...Ratner...Guh...

    by The Scarlet Claw

    There has NEVER been a good X-Men movie...probably never will be. No Bill Syzwhat'sizname period X.Men, no decent flick. No Lockheed the Dragon? No cool Kitty Pryde, (a cute Kitty...not the one in the existing films. Killing off Progfessor X? Kiss my ass... ...and that Superman movie? Wrong cast, yawn/re-run story, Gay Clark and lovesick Supes? Gawd... Make Smallville cast the franchise, I'll go see the next one. Get an X-Men movie out that doesn't suck grapes, and uhhh...maybe remember The Sentinals, etc...all the GOOD things about the comics...we'll see. Jesus, you people are either too younf to be aware of the GREAT marvel era, or you think the "One More Day" Spidey comic is awesome...either way, these films suck. Oh yeah...while I'm at it...I have high hopes for Iron Man and Star Trek...not so much The Dark Knight...another misstep with that franchise, and I'm pulling for a Moon Knight pic... I remain, The Scarlet Claw Chapter 2: MechanoMen Invade!

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 10:30 p.m. CST

    I'll tell you why we hate Ratner digitalcos

    by IndustryKiller!

    Because he is a styleless studio shill who has made one horrible film after the next since he hit the scene. The only thing he has ever done that was ever remotely competent was Red Dragon, which given the pedigree of the actors and the story, should have been amazing rather than a boring, overly straightforward, cop thriller. The Rush Hour movies, from a directing standpoint, are about as banal and trite as it gets, with horrible narrative storytelling. I can see Ratner sitting back, not doing a thing, while Chris Tucker and Jackie Chan improv chemistry that Ratner will make millions for. You might say "Dude it's a buddy comedy which is meant to be fun and make money." Yeah, and Ratner is perfectly happy to treat the material no more regard than a money printing machine, so he merely points the camera and allows the actors to do the work while the rest of the film from a plot and directing standpoint is just sloppy and lazy. Maybe if he decided to back up Chris Tucker's enthusiasm with a little of his own those films would actually be watchable. Then there is X3, Ratner's only attempt at style and an unmitigated failure on every level. I'm not a huge fan of the first two films, but any tension or excitement Singer had built up in the first two films was absolutely destroyed in the third outing. I mean look at the action for Christ sake. Compare the opening shot of X2 with Nightcrawler to the final, unintentionally funny battle at the end of X3. First of all when Magneto begins moving the Golden Gate Bridge it's broad daylight and when he lands it, which seems to be about 5 minutes later, it's pitch black night. That's what kind of director Brett Ratner is. "I want it to be night in this scene so fuck it, I'm going to magically make it nighttime. Logic be damned!" The fight that ensues is about as well directed as your average b-movie with blatantly obvious wire work everywhere and incredibly uncreative use of the characters (those we have left) and their powers. The whole scene is shot like it had the budget of a TV show. The rest of the film is, in trademark Ratner style, completely bland and unremarkable with absolutely no sense of wonder or excitement. Ratner is known as openly being a studio shill, that is why studios love to use him. He will listen to whatever a bunch of silly men in suits who know virtually nothing of quality tell him to do. He is a errand runner, not an artist.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 10:34 p.m. CST

    X3 while not X2 was better than X1, and Spidey3 and Punisher

    by Stormwatcher

    I know its comparing yourself to the bottom which is never good, but truthfully. X3 wasn't that bad. Not the absolute headshaker that was Spidey3, I still can't believe they F-d that up. Man

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 10:37 p.m. CST

    fuck the rat

    by Mr.Slade

    ratner is becoming the new alan smithe of movies, whenever you see his name in the credits you know something went wrong with the production. When I hear news like this it only makes me laugh. Oh well another casualty of fast food hollywood.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 10:40 p.m. CST

    It was that bad Stormwatcher

    by IndustryKiller!

    It was exactly what people who are snarky about superhero movies expect a superhero movie to be like. Shallow, with a series of meandering scenes, and really silly looking action with people in weird costumes. I think that Singer ratcheted the action level int eh first two films so low that people didn't give a shit what the content of X3 was as long as it had fighting. That is the only explanation I can think of for anyone liking that horrendous film which bastardizes those characters so badly.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 10:41 p.m. CST

    benefit of the doubt

    by The Real MiraJeff

    I hate when people do this to make their point but here's mine: "Ratner's credits have included the "Rush Hour" pictures, "Family Man" and "Money Talks," some with their merits, none suggesting he was qualified to be Lecter's next director. To my surprise, he does a sure, stylish job, appreciating the droll humor of Lecter's predicament, creating a depraved new villain in the Tooth Fairy (Ralph Fiennes), and using the quiet, intense skills of Norton to create a character whose old fears feed into his new ones." - Roger Ebert, Chicago Sun-Times "Ratner's previous credits on "The Family Man" and the "Rush Hour" pictures may not have inspired confidence that he was the right man for this job, but the director has done a serious, responsible job of conveying the drama and menace inherent in this tale." - Todd McCarthy, Variety Point is, we're all a bit quick to judge this guy. If he does get the gig (and I'm hearing he will) let's give him the benefit of the doubt and wait until at least a trailer to trash him. He might not be ideal but trust me, Universal could definitely do worse, and personally I'm surprised Romanek hasn't taken more shit if it was really his decision to walk away. Ratner has mainstream sensibilities and he uses those to make watchable movies. Wolf Man obviously deserves more than 'watchable,' but it definitely didn't deserve to have its gifted director walk away regardless of whether it was creative differences or budget concerns. Romanek has done a lot with a little and there's no reason to think he couldn't have done so again. I really wish we knew more about his falling out with the studio.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 10:42 p.m. CST

    buffy wrestler

    by The Real MiraJeff

    Since I suck so bad, why don't you start a petition and get Joss Whedon to direct Wolf Man?

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 10:47 p.m. CST

    There's this guy named George Waggner.

    by Saknussem

    How about George Waggner as a director? He has tons of TV credits. He also directed a bunch of films, none of them very memorable, although he did direct John Wayne’s The Fighting Kentuckian. Look him up on IMDB and see what you think? Besides having a healthy TV track record, would he really be suitable to direct The Wolf Man?

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Why defend Ratner?

    by futureman3000

    Why? He doesn't deserve it, he killed the X-Men franchise, so they are going to the past to make the next one. He killed the Lecter franchise, so they went to the past. And now he'll kill Wolfman forever!

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 10:52 p.m. CST

    It's still another goddamn remake

    by CrimsonJihad

    I don't care if Paul Thomas or Paul W.S. Anderson directs Wolfman, it's still a fucking remake.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 10:53 p.m. CST

    UNIVERSAL...

    by Napolean Solo

    UNIVERSAL - IF YOU LET RATNER DIRECT THE WOLF MAN YOU'LL DESERVE THE HUGE MONEYSPINNIN-PROFIT BAZOOKIN-TRILLION DOLLAR MAKIN YOU'LL END UP RELEASING ON SCREEN!!! <br> It's your call!

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 10:54 p.m. CST

    Jeez!

    by TattooedBillionaire

    Yesterday, we were all joking about Ratner because we all know he's a horrible choice. Now, he might be directing this? WHAT. THE. FUCK!!!

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Harry find out what these guys are doing... and Red Dragon Was D

    by Unlabled

    what the fuck Give me Mangold or give me Hoblit

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 11:07 p.m. CST

    Mirajeff, typically misguided

    by IndustryKiller!

    Because he got merely adequate reviews for a film he made years ago that now in retrospect seems like a largely wasted opportunity for a film that could have been great, he is now qualified to direct this?? Ignoring completely the fact that the last time he took over a genre project he made X fucking 3. Reality simply isn't on your side cheif.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Hardly paid off on the promise of large scale mutant battles

    by BrandLoyalist

    Large scale kung-fu battles, maybe. (Actually, not even that.) Where was the flight? Where were the energy blasts in all colors and patterns? Not in the budget, clearly. Gawd, Juggernaut... apology for a Sentinel... hilarious wire work... etc etc... I was a little disappointed with both X1 and X2, but X3 was just a bad movie.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Its not that Ratner is bad or workmanlike...

    by Tourist

    ...Its that he is fucking abysmal. He truly makes everything he touches WORSE. His "work" is suited to late night TV action shows featuring James Brolin. The guy is like, Hardcastle and McCormick level of craft. He can take tens of millions of dollars and massively famous and talented stars and make it all look like cheap, poorly thrown together TV. I can think of a better choices, like Janitors or crack addicts who could do the same job for cheaper.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Boll, PWSAnderson, or Somers...

    by Tourist

    ...All have them have more ability than Ratner.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 11:22 p.m. CST

    God no.

    by RedwingsHoolihan

    That's all I have to say. Please not the Rat

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 11:23 p.m. CST

    The hatred for ratner...

    by Tourist

    ...Stems from the fact that he is possibly the worst living director, of television or movies, working at the moment. I honestly can't think of anyone who makes worse movies, certainly with the enormous resources and support he has.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Agree- as an X-men fanboy, Ratner sucks...

    by wilsonfisk89

    - this is a good thing -

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Now, now MJ...

    by buffywrestling

    Let's not start. You'll be up way past your bedtime (Ha! Anne Bancroft in GI Jane. She was a stone cold bitch.)–

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 11:40 p.m. CST

    Ratner is not a "good choice" for anything...

    by Sledge Hammer

    Technically he's not a horrible director in that he knows which direction to point the camera, and that he's very responsible (i.e. studio friendly) when it comes to shooting, always being on time and under budget. But the problem is he has no soul. His film making is strictly by the numbers, no imagination required, no risks taken, no new ideas brought to the table. He will make any script in the most straightforward (i.e. laziest) way possible, he enhances nothing. If it's on the page it goes on the screen, but again, in the most straight forward and cost effective way possible. He has no art or artistry, no vision of his own. He's an accountant with a megaphone. That's the problem with Ratner. It's not that he's a horrible person or a completely incompetent director, it's that he's so bland, so vanilla, that he brings absolutely nothing to any film he's hired to do, other than the responsibility of shooting within whatever confines the studio has laid down. And that's fine by him. He doesn't care. The man has no passion, no desire to stretch himself or learn or improve his craft. He makes product, not film. He's the directorial equivalent of an automaton.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 11:44 p.m. CST

    Ratner...sigh

    by Artifakts

    Why the fuck does everyone fall back on Ratner? How does this guy keep getting work? Like Kevin Smith said, though, "You make money for a studio and they'll keep hiring you". Fucking bullshit if this happens. Has gone from must see, to must avoid like the plague.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 11:48 p.m. CST

    Harry, THE MUMMY was a Universal "icon", too

    by slone13

    <p>We all saw what Universal did with THAT icon. Why would the wolf man be any more sacred???</p> <p>Universal would LOVE it if they could get 3 movies, a spinoff, and a new studio ride out of the wolf man.</p>

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 11:48 p.m. CST

    Thanks IndustryKiller...

    by digitalcos

    I don't know if I entirely agree with all your points, but that's what I was looking for. I have a better understanding of where you're coming from now.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 11:49 p.m. CST

    Instead of bitching about it, let's do something...

    by Kirbymanly

    Harry, you've got the power. Start an online petition to stop the Rat.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 11:53 p.m. CST

    HELLBOY is the best thing universal owns right now

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    and the new one coming out looks to be great - for hb fans anyway - universal seems to be handling that property well enough - maybe they know what theyre doing here - i didnt expect to like x3 at all - i was pleasantly surprised by it - enough to buy the dvd - red is dragon pretty good too - i would prefer to see romaneks wolf man - why exactly was he cut loose - but i think this will still be a good monster movie - im not a ratner fan but im a "wolf man" fan - and a benicio fan - and a hopkins fan - and a rick baker fan - how much damage could ratner do? - hes not going to go into such a high profile gig not caring and then just fuck it up - im sure he reads this site - he wants to do good - i sure as hell would if i were him

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 11:53 p.m. CST

    Here's the bottom line: RATNER MAKES MONEY!

    by HappyHamster

    This is something the businessmen running Universal can understand that fanboys like the guys running AICN are absolutely clueless about.<p> Fact: Using money as the measuring stick (since everything else is subject), Ratner is a incredibly successful director. This is why Universal is NOT making a mistake choosing him.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 11:54 p.m. CST

    typo "red dragon is pretty good too"

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 11:54 p.m. CST

    Genre Redefining Wolfman

    by quantize

    really who gives a fuck what Harry thinks...steer your traffic to another site then we wouldnt have the kind of abortions like Cloverfield on our screens

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 11:56 p.m. CST

    You can even show this one to your Mom.

    by Subovon

    Larry was far more eloquent on this story for THE WOLFMAN than he was in his "eulogy" for Heath Ledger. Did he even use a single curse word in this? Anyone else notice?

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 12:03 a.m. CST

    THIS MOVIE WILL COME AND GO AND I WON'T EVEN NOTICE

    by BringingSexyBack

    I wish mainstream American audiences would take the same approach. Don't feed the trolls, and especially don't feed the Rat.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 12:08 a.m. CST

    Get Phil Alden Robinson

    by Scrolly

    Seriously. Always solid direction. Knows how to work with actors. Is smart enough to do action too. Is he busy?

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 12:14 a.m. CST

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

    by beetlegeuse

    I didn't think it possible to do shitty VanHelsing but if anyone can do it Ratner can

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 12:17 a.m. CST

    X3 definitely ruined the franchise

    by oisin5199

    Let's hope the Wolverine movie can salvage it somewhat. You know what Ratner is perfect for? Prison Break. Didn't he direct the pilot or something? He can pull off relatively decent tv directing that doesn't require too much creativity. But he has no business being in films.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 12:18 a.m. CST

    and now that I know Romanek directed Johnny Cash

    by oisin5199

    in the 'Hurt' video, I'm sad. That video is fucking brilliant. Makes me weep every time.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 12:24 a.m. CST

    I want to live in a parallel universe...

    by Zardoz

    ...in which Bryan Singer directed X3 and well, anyone else directed Superman Returns. 'Cause both of those movies ended up sucking pretty hard! (and I hereby retract all of my previous defenses of Superman Returns: it is stupid and boring as all hell!)

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 12:35 a.m. CST

    Ratner doesn't make a fucking cent.

    by Tourist

    You retards. Go watch his Jewel Heist movie. Xmen, the brand made money. Lecter made money, Jackie Chan and some loud mouthed black made money. Ratner just showed up.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 12:56 a.m. CST

    You could have hired a lithuanian arborist...

    by Tourist

    ...To show up on set and call action for X3 and gotten the same result. Ratner is in place because of his parents money and connections. Hes not even remotely a film maker. Christ, did you see his student shorts? Now hes sort of resigned to the fact that he can make a living jumping in other peoples graves. I just don't know why they need to choose HIM. Why not save your pennies and get some DTV helmer like Pyun to steer the ship in. I don't blame universal for not going with an actual film director, since said director is going to want to step back and take time with the production to deliver a good product. But damn, paying Ratners huge fee doesn't make sense either.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 1:05 a.m. CST

    I am a pacifist, but...

    by kafka07

    KILL RATNER

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 1:06 a.m. CST

    For crisskaes, Ratner isn't *that* fucking bad!!

    by TallBoy66

    Seriously, you wanna see some crap, get the douche who does the Fantastic Four movies, or Eli Roth, or that motherfucker who made Alone In the Dark. There are A. LOT. worse choices out there than the workmanlike (but marginally inspired in small doses) direction of Brett Ratner.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 1:09 a.m. CST

    WOLF MAN - By the guy who made LITTLE MAN!

    by TallBoy66

    Seriously, just use your brain for five seconds and you'll see there are 900 worse directorial choices than Ratner. Yeesh. Overreact and preen much?

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 1:13 a.m. CST

    greenstlye92

    by ranma627

    I'm not a fan of the old Universal Monster films because I've never actually seen them but I still give a shit about this news. I think anyone who appreciates the art of filmmaking would not want a fuck-up like Ratner making film. I want to see good film and any movie that looks good has my attention even though I'm not some huge movie buff (not yet, anyway).

  • no matter what. He did the same thing with X3, didnt give the film a chance.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Mark Romanek

    by Maegnarval

    Ok, so he left the Wolf Man movie. So let's talk to the guy to find out why he did so. Did Universal want him to dumb it down? Did he need more cash? This Article mentions it was the budget that's the reason he left: http://tinyurl.com/36xppg One would think he would be all over the net about it like Peter Jackson was with the Hobbit movies & revenue from the LotR movies. If we hear what Mark has to say maybe no one else will bend over for Universal & things will get done right. Heck, maybe Shusuke Kaneko could replace Mark Romanek..... But, heck Brett's Cool, give the guy a chance,geez!

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 1:17 a.m. CST

    Just GET ROMANEK

    by reflecto

    I didn't think OHP was amazing filmmaking but I trust this project and him with it. If they replace him it'll be disaster, period. Meanwhile I feel bad for thinking the pointless F13 remake has to be shit since Odette Yustman is in it, and I met her and she's a doll.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 1:21 a.m. CST

    You guys suck, Harry got it right

    by stamper

    He may be a poor selecter of questions for Stallone, picking them like a convict picking up trash on the border of the highway, but yeah, basically Ratner needs to be find dead in his sleep surrounded by pills sooner than later. Oh, yeah, someone should burn all his camera negatives of all his films, as well as his Police Story commentary. Or just send him to jail for proposing a policeman hustling disguised as a woman. It appears bad directors are all transvestites in secret.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 1:21 a.m. CST

    romanek = shit

    by ironic_name

    one hour photo sucked.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 1:21 a.m. CST

    Tim Story, Eli Roth and Uwe Boll

    by Tourist

    Are all better and more accomplished film makers than Ratner.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 1:25 a.m. CST

    Also...

    by Tourist

    ...It doesn't fucking matter really. The film is screwed now. Just like X3, no reputable or able director will touch it with a giant stick, unless they get to go back to the drawing board, which probally wont happen. May as well flush anothre five million down the toilet on Ratner. I know this isn't meant to be a gossip site, but I'm far more interested in why Romanek walked (details, please) than what no talent, non shame having loser they find to fill the directors shoes.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 1:26 a.m. CST

    Ratner does remind me...

    by Tourist

    ...Of those homeless people who eat your trash out of the bin. Why let something good go to waste, hey?

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 1:40 a.m. CST

    Harry is right. Romanek haters, shut the fuck up.

    by The Ghost of Marcus Brody

    Romanek is visionary. The Wolfman needed a visionary director. Ratner is a recycled talentless hollywood filmaker. The shit he makes adorns the aisles of Best Buy and Circuit City because he makes brainless crap that targets 13 year olds in middle america and we fall for it. The Wolfman minus Romanek is just that, cineplex eye candy to watch after shopping at Hot Topic. Good job Universal. Another would-be-brilliant movie wasted due to lack of trust on anything different, imaginative and non hollywood.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 1:49 a.m. CST

    why are they making a $100 million wolfman anyway?

    by Live.

    Ratner won't kill this movie. The bloated budget will.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 1:52 a.m. CST

    HIRE FRIEDBERG & SELTZER

    by FatherMcGruderKicksAssForTheLord

    They could get this thing made in like 10 or 15 ... minutes. Yeah. <p> A few more Britney gags, a quick riff on Jack Nicholson, a dog and Wolfman Jack, a non-sequitor involving a CLOVERFIELD clip that jump cuts to Numa Numa guy or some shit ... They'd nail the tone that Universal's looking for, 100%. <p> And for a title, I'm thinking something timely ala MEET THE SPARTANS - maybe THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT WOLFIE. <P> Am I gold or what?

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 1:55 a.m. CST

    Bring Mark Back

    by reni

    $100m is about right for a detailed period flick. Bring Mark back somehow because this situation sounds desperate. Romanek is a genius. Anyone else is a bad choice. Try and work it out with him.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 1:57 a.m. CST

    I think he wants MORE...

    by Tourist

    Than 100 million. Fuck knows how anyone can justify these costs.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 2:02 a.m. CST

    Ratner will do a great job.....

    by godhatesyou

    I can't wait.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 2:03 a.m. CST

    I don't hate Ratner at all

    by random dude

    Sure, X-3 was shit, but that wasn't his fault. Rush hour 1 and 2 are immensely enjoyable (haven't seen the 3rd one yet). And I loved Red Dragon back at the time. So, give it a shot, I say. Fuckity fuck fanboys.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 2:05 a.m. CST

    fucking hell....

    by Cronenfly

    Romanek was perfect for this goddamn film. I don't know what the fuck Universal is thinking. I mean...come on! The least thing they could do is take some time in getting this thing made instead of fucking jumping the gun to earn a few bucks! But i guess thats how its fucking done these days.... I guess trying to create a good in depth picture wasn't on the UNIVERSAL check list. Instead it seems like they want to turn what could have been a great film into a ridiculous shit fest all for the sake of what? Just Take your time universal, don't let Ratner karate chop this film, find a good replacement! FUCK!

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 2:18 a.m. CST

    I agree Krack

    by IndustryKiller!

    Escept ont he fuck this project note. I think this could have turned out really cool, especially witht he acting pedigree. But on everything else I am right there with you.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 2:20 a.m. CST

    Ratner backlash-backlash?

    by drwilliamweir

    Never thought I'd see the day! What next? Paul WS Anderson?

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 2:23 a.m. CST

    Peter Meyhew for Wolfman!

    by skywalkerfamily

    What's that Wolfman? There's Stormtroopers next door?

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 2:32 a.m. CST

    I agree too Krack

    by DigitalDong

    Well except for the SW, I like the prequels. But FUCK YOU HARRY, I mean really. You'd think there's only 5 good directors out there from the way this site goes. I mean this almost sound slike " I could do a better job than Ratner" Well then, why don't ya. Oh and I don't believe anyone is going to see this movie no matter who directs it. Just liek Snakes on a Plane. lol

  • Do you have contacts in the biz, or what?

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 2:52 a.m. CST

    X3 was the best of the series...I'll get my coat.

    by HarryBlackPotter

    Ratner is a hack. Him, Stephen Sommers, Paul W.S. Anderson are all hacks, loathed by critics and movie fans with equal venom, yet still they get work. Incredible. You think about the young exciting directors who came out of the 1970's - Scorsesse, De-Palma, Lucas, Coppola, Spielberg, and now you think of today's 'hot' young directors. My god. What went wrong in the last 30 years? Oh,missed off McG. He's shit too.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 2:57 a.m. CST

    How about Morgan Spurlock as director?

    by HarryBlackPotter

    No. Not for The Wolfman, but for a documentary on the illusive MEXICAN WOLFBOY!

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:02 a.m. CST

    Why did X-3 "suck"? Was X-2 that great? NO!

    by NoDiggity

    I can't remember a single striking scene from X-2. I remember a whole pile from X-3. Professor X vs. Phoenix, Spooky anti-grav aftermath to the Cyclops/Phoenix confrontation, Wolvie vs. Phoenix at the end. Even the dopey gay allegory involving the guy with Angel's Wings was visually striking. Not all of it worked (the Golden Gate Bridge, for instance, was a gigantic waste of Magneto's efforts and made no strategic sense) but it was still memborable. What do you remember from X-2? I can't remember a damn thing from it. It was a total disappointment as a comic book movie. The only vague memory I have is of a murky underground fight Wolvie has with some female baddie, and he kills her in a nasty way (yay for all the misogynistic teen nerds out there). Harry needs to rethink this.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:03 a.m. CST

    Honestly Who Cares?

    by EjkoUSC

    1) How many stupid wolfman movies have we seen? Its no more sacred at this point than... Actually its LESS sacred than a lot of things. Including my nuts. 2) You could do worse than Brett Ratner. I give you Paul WS Anderson or McG. That's worse. Hell even Stephen Sommers, Rob Cohen and Len Wiseman are worse than Ratner. 3) X3 wasn't as bad as people say. And apparently Ratner came in so late in the game that whatever you felt was "ruined" about that movie happened at the structural level. 4) Nothing wrong with Red Dragon. 5) The "sensitive" Singer botched up Superman Returns so bad that I now cant help but wonder what Ratner's Superman would have entailed. No guarantees as I was in line decrying Ratner on Superman as much as the next person. But again, at least it wouldn't have been Superman Returns. ALTHOUGH JJ Abrahms script was so bad that we should thank our relatively lucky stars that Singer's vision prevailed (warts and all) cause Abrahms was total dog shit. Cant wait to see him reinvent and marginalize Star Trek. 6) Harry should be careful because one day he will be polishing Ratner's nuts provided he churns out a great film (which isn't all too unlikely really) 7) What was it Harry said in his Episode I review? "MEESSA LOOOOVE JAR JAR BINKS!!!!" Nobody cares about the Wolfman.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:05 a.m. CST

    Wolf Man

    by hamslime

    I may have missed it if someone else mentioned this. In my opinion it's not so much that Wolf Man will be screwed up, it's that yet another Andrew Kevin Walker script will be screwed up. Sleepy Hollow was okay, but I would like to see someone do to his script that Fincher did with Se7en. With Romanek as the director that was a completely real possibility. With Ratner, not so much. If you want a fun movie give him a script from Orci and Kurtzman, A.K.W. deserves better. Does Wolf Man need to be the next Shakespeare? No, but I'm sure it was coming close, now all we have to look foward to is another 8MM, or Hideaway. Thanks Universal, way to turn a diamond into coal.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:07 a.m. CST

    Im off to take a Ratner!!

    by boyblue

    Get Matthew Vaughn on the phone, he needs revenge!!

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:07 a.m. CST

    Bleeding anuses and Brett Ratner

    by adeepercut2k

    For those of you questioning the hatred of the Ratner, allow me to explain the reasoning behind this bile we spew. <br><br>Most of us would deal with bleeding from our anuses for 3 years in order to have the chance to direct X3. It's painfully obvious that the Ratner shows no desire to direct. He directs likes he's working for mall security. While Sir Ian McKellen was busting his acting balls to move that chess piece, the Ratner was around the corner smokin' a j, and flirting with some teenage strange. Fuck Ratner. He has no pulse, let alone a soul.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:08 a.m. CST

    Brett, put the megaphone down and move away...

    by Boba Fat

    from the production. Slowly...slowly, no sudden moves and nobody will get hurt.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:10 a.m. CST

    Harry needs to chill on Ratner.

    by Kizeesh

    It's not even funny how much this is turned into a shit-throwing fest every time Ratner gets given a green-light for everything.<p> Deal with it, Ratner made a good film out of Red Dragon, it's no Manhunter and it wasn't trying to be, he made it his own work and did well. Xmen 3 wasn't fantastic but laying that at Ratner's door is just lazy finger-pointing. THe worst aspect of X3 was the poor studio-broken script, the character work in it was good, hamstrung only by the fact they needed another 30 mins of film-time to flesh it all out properly.<p> And pulling the Wolfman is a classic license schtick is retarded coming from the man who adored Van Helsing, if there was ever a film which pissed on the freshly dead corspe of the Classic monster movies it was that abortion of film.<p> I'll be very interested to see how tis goes down.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:11 a.m. CST

    Andrew Kevin Walker

    by hamslime

    He really needs to get in touch with Terry Gilliam. They both seem to get fucked on a regular basis. Maybe combined, their curses will nullify each other out.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:18 a.m. CST

    Ratner

    by Cronenfly

    Red Dragon wasnt that great. I did not like it nor did i lke manhunter. Rush Hour 1-3 i also did not enjoy x-3 Keep in mind that Ratman let "Im the Juggernaut Bitch" appear in an actual x-men film. I mean when i heard that on the big screen i laughed my ass off. Not because it was funny, because i didnt think the movie could get any worse. But it did.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:18 a.m. CST

    krack...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... what fucking lunatic told you that INDY 4 has a CLOSE ENCOUNTERS tie-in? Because that is some really, really, really stupid bullshit to get upset about, since it's not remotely true.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:19 a.m. CST

    I work at Universal and. . .

    by Rev. Slappy

    when the suits found out Harry was mad they FREAKED OUT! One of them killed himself. Actually, that's not true. What really happened is somebody asked, "Who?"

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:25 a.m. CST

    its simple now. if ratman directs

    by Cronenfly

    Wolfman it will be terrible. If not terrible, it will be another mediocre film not worth my time. Just like any other thing the man has done

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:26 a.m. CST

    I just got off the phone...

    by buffywrestling

    with Joss Whedon and he says he isn't TOUCHING anything that Ratner has looked at. (This includes the X-men, because although Joss did do the comics, he knew Ratner had never read ANY of them). Besides, after the strike is over next weekend, he has to start working on his new TV show with Eliza Dusku. See you in Coaxial!!˙

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:27 a.m. CST

    Harry can you revoke Mirajeff's Black Box privileges?

    by Lost Jarv

    He's a useless, pointless individual. How on earth he can defend Red Dragon by cutting and pasting a couple of quotes when it is fucking obvious that Ratner performed reverse Alchemy on it is fucking beyond me. <P>And as for that stupid shit he posted in the other TB......

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:31 a.m. CST

    wow

    by Cronenfly

    indy merging with close encounters. actually that dosent really surprise me if indeed it does happen. I probably wont even see the new indy film anyway. well i might....

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:31 a.m. CST

    wow

    by Cronenfly

    indy merging with close encounters. actually that dosent really surprise me if indeed it does happen. I probably wont even see the new indy film anyway. well i might....

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:32 a.m. CST

    and Red Dragon was NOT OK

    by Lost Jarv

    where the fuck did this revisionist stupidity come from?

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:33 a.m. CST

    Ratner....

    by pk68

    Did not fuck up X-3!!! The writers did!!! Movie should have been two parts, the Phoenix was reduced to a back story. Ratner did what he could with what he was given, he came in so late. X-3 sucked for the most part but not because of him. Wolverine could not withstand the Phoenix power head on heal factor or no. Beast wire work was crummy. X-1 and X-2 writers should have done X-3 and 4 but they were doing supes. That being said Ratner is a pretty good director, Red Dragon kicked ass. Rush Hour 1 and 2 were good, didn't bother with 3. But he does need to settle down if he wants to be taken seriously as a director, be more choosey with the scripts.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:35 a.m. CST

    any filmaker that allows

    by Cronenfly

    "I'm the juggernaut bitch" to appear in any actual X-men related material should be thrown directly into the lake of fire. It takes two people make a child worthy of an abortion

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:35 a.m. CST

    If Ratner directed LOTR 3

    by futureman3000

    He would have killed Sam off screen and Gandalf would be killed by Pippin.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:36 a.m. CST

    Benicio and Hopkins are 2 of the greatest living actors...

    by DC Films

    ...which is why i won't be watching this movie anymore.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:36 a.m. CST

    hence

    by Cronenfly

    Ratman and the script

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:38 a.m. CST

    i say Gilliam take over Wolfman

    by Cronenfly

    Or Cronenberg.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:44 a.m. CST

    Where is the..

    by TimMighty

    "Total fucking destruction guy" ? Youre much needet here buddy...

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:55 a.m. CST

    TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION!!!!

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    You mean this guy? I wonder where he is....

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:57 a.m. CST

    MiraJeff

    by kwisatzhaderach

    It's this kind of "he's not great but he's ok - give him a shot" attitude that is killing the blockbuster. Ratner's movies stink. He's had his chance. He blew it.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 4:03 a.m. CST

    I say

    by Cronenfly

    Benico Should direct. I mean he is one of the producers.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 4:06 a.m. CST

    Could've been worse than Ratner...

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    Boll, WS Anderson, Strause Bros, Aaron Norris, just to name a few

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 4:09 a.m. CST

    Needs more Chris Tucker

    by ChrisTuckersOnlyFan

    ..every movie does.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 4:15 a.m. CST

    Fuck it all let Ratman direct it

    by redfist

    Who goes 2 shits what you fan boys think of him and his films, you fucking nerds will be there on opening day and pissing on it here in the TBs the next day. Ratman gets work because he makes money, while producing hacked, soulless, lifeless projects that have all the emotion of a hotwater bottle. <p> Mirjeff- Red Dragon is utter shit. not ever 10% as good as the book, and it lifts whole pages of action from it. It was hack and slash at best.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 4:16 a.m. CST

    I want to kick Chris Tucker right in the mouth

    by redfist

    DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 4:16 a.m. CST

    I want to kick Chris Tucker right in the mouth

    by redfist

    DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 4:16 a.m. CST

    twice even

    by redfist

    <p>

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 4:45 a.m. CST

    Close Encounters tie in is true

    by Musicballs

    I know John Williams' orchestrator Conrad Pope and he has confirmed that Williams will be quoting his famous CE3K theme in the new Indy film.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 4:48 a.m. CST

    I am the Wolfman, bitch!

    by Wonderboys

    Good ol' ratner! I hope he's getting a part for Chris Tucker, Id love to see his throat ripped open by Del Toro...

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 4:53 a.m. CST

    tough crowd

    by The Real MiraJeff

    agree to disagree, re: the rat? nothing i say will ever change anyone's mind, so why waste my energy? romanek walked out the door and he ain't coming back so the project will never be what it could've been in his hands. why bother playing guessing games? you guys think in such black and white shades... if i don't loathe Brett Ratner like the rest of the site's writers, he must be my favorite director, huh? I mean, that's what you guys are acting like I said. Why is there something so wrong with sticking up for a decent director. Not a fucking visionary by any means, but an undeniably competent filmmaker whose movies succeed at the box office because they have just enough. family man has its moments. so do the first two Rush Hours. and red dragon. and X3. and so did after the sunset, which had two very charming movie stars in brosnan and woody, and two of the most gorgeous women I've ever seen in my life, in Salma and Naomie Harris. i enjoyed every one of those films to some degree. i contend that Ratner has never made a movie as bad as Transformers. Maybe he's a wrong fit for The Wolf Man, in that he comes from a primarily comedic background with the exception of Red Dragon, but the guy knows what the fuck he's talking about, which is more than i can say for half the talkbackers here, and they know who they are.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 5:01 a.m. CST

    just give up.

    by Lost Jarv

    Give back your black box, and spare us your witless droolings.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 5:10 a.m. CST

    David Slade Would Be Good

    by RobFromBackEast

    30 Days managed to have scary vampires despite its flaws

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 5:11 a.m. CST

    Mark Pellington...

    by RobFromBackEast

    Isn't a bad choice either. In the vain of Romaneck definetly

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 5:16 a.m. CST

    2 Girls, One Cup: The Movie ...

    by rightarm4Rosario

    HARRY, Keep Ratner as far away from this turd as -- um, never mind.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 5:17 a.m. CST

    If you don't loathe him, you must love him...

    by Tourist

    ...Not quite. But the fact that you don't loathe him is a good indication of your fucking awful taste. What undeniable is that he's not even moderately capable. This guy can't even take tens of a millions of dollars, amazing source material, the best crews and performers in the business and even deliver a professional looking motion picture product. He can however take the aforementioned ingredients and deliver something that resembles a TV movie. After The Sunset and Family Man didn't have a single redeeming moment. Hayek has great tits? So? Maxim can deliver better content than Ratner. He's loathed, and your opinions are pissed on, because the guy hasn't even got the abillity to make shit. He's sub shit. He's almost as good as whoever pumps out the Segal straight to videos. Not quite as good, because hes paid ALOT more and has alot more advantages than they do.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 5:18 a.m. CST

    Fair Play Mirajeff

    by RobFromBackEast

    You're making your point well; but nothing is gonna turn this hate filled angry mob around.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 5:36 a.m. CST

    Deep Fried Hillary Swank On A Stick...

    by red ezra

    haha - shit.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 5:38 a.m. CST

    Why are they remaking Wolf?

    by Catnip_Thieves

    Who's going to piss on James Spader's shoes this time out? And why do you people keep calling each other "man"? And what the fuck is a Brettratner? Is that some make of sandwich toaster?

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 5:40 a.m. CST

    I agree with MiraJeff, half you folk are frakkin idiots

    by newc0253

    Red Dragon was a decent film with good performances from Ralph Fiennes, Philip Seymour Hoffman and Edward Norton.<p> Think about that paragraph for a second. Or a minute. Try to disagree, if you must, but at the same time, admit to yourself that Ratner is perfectly capable of directing great actors to deliver good performances in a good movie.<p> Sure, Ratner is no Michael Mann or Bryan Singer, but he's certainly no Uwe Boll or Stephen Sommers or Paul WS Anderson either.<p> Ratner gets a ridiculous amount of hate from most of the writers on AICN and it makes them look stupid. In Harry's case, it makes him look hopelessly biased. We've been here before, of course, with X3. X3, the film that threatened to be the worst film of all time, turned out to be actually pretty good. No, it wasn't as good as X2 but had it been made by anyone else, AICN would have acclaimed it as a perfectly respectable entry in the X-men film series.<p> Ratner's key flaw is that he's a workmanlike director rather than a gifted visionary. Ratner can deliver a good movie but he'll never take risks or be known as a bold experimenter. So it's a legitimate complaint that Wolfman is losing some of its potential as a film. But to declare it as a turd simply because Ratner will direct it is the kind of idiotic fanboy nonsense that should, by now, be beneath AICN's key writers. If Harry wants to post silly rants like that, he should do what the rest of us do, adopt a pseudonym and post on the talkback like the rest of us.<p>

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 5:46 a.m. CST

    newc0253

    by Ol' Gravy Leg

    Your use of the word "frak" invalidates your opinion. And your worth as a human being.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 5:47 a.m. CST

    Newco

    by Lost Jarv

    The problem with your entire point hinges on the first sentence: <p>Red Dragon was a mediocre film with passable performances from a phenomenal cast. <p>If you accept this to be gospel, then fine. However, the fact still remains that he took some exceptional raw materials and managed to convert them into something less than magnificent. Reverse alchemy. <p>And that is the crux of the matter- when he's given great material he produces mediocre (at best) output and when he's given less than stellar material he produces utter shit.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 5:55 a.m. CST

    i love the wolfman and they better not fuck this up.

    by dr.bulber

    NO ratner.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 6:01 a.m. CST

    Ratner directed a better movie than Ridley Scott

    by newc0253

    Exhibit A: Ratner's Red Dragon.<p> Exhibit B: Ridley Scott's Hannibal.<p> Search your feelings, you know it to be true.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 6:05 a.m. CST

    Terrified by the third MUMMY film

    by I Dunno

    Dude, break the pills in half.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 6:09 a.m. CST

    However, I contend that as shit as Hannibal was

    by Lost Jarv

    Ridley scott would have produced a much better Red Dragon- as the book is much, much better- and Ratner would have done a worse Hannibal.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 6:11 a.m. CST

    I must be the only one who liked Hannibal

    by I Dunno

    It was vastly superior to the book anyway. Ratner would have left in the love affair between Hannibal and Clarice.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 6:18 a.m. CST

    I Dunno

    by Boba Fat

    I thought it was OK but don't tell anyone, I don't want to blow my cool.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 6:19 a.m. CST

    Actually...

    by Tourist

    ...Your statement that Red Dragon was a decent film with good performances makes you look like a complete idiot. He not in the same leauge as Paul WS Anderson, sure. Hes worse. Hes even lazier and less able to put together a competent looking film. His flaw is that hes not even able to bring a workmanlike professionalism to his shitty films. They look like bad student productions. They look cheap, nasty and badly hobbled together. I'm not slamming the guy because he ruined a franchise, or because he might ruin Wolfman, because truthly, I couldn't give a shit about either title all that much. My sole interest in Wolfie was the creative team they had put together, because frankly, how many more Werewolf movies can you take? And honestly, I didn't hate Xmen 3 anymore than the other two dull entires, however, whats undeniable is that they other two looked like movies, not shitty TV episodes or Sci Fi channel productions. I hate Michael Bay too, for all the usual reasons, but at least his films look like expensive pieces of poorly made shit, not cheap half assed student crap.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 6:19 a.m. CST

    Ridley Scott made A Good Year...

    by Tourist

    ...I think that could qualify him as having made a worse film than any other human being alive.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 6:32 a.m. CST

    OH MY GOD! WHO CARES ABOUT THE WOLFMAN???

    by CaptainGilgore

    Are you kidding me? Harry, you're the only person on the planet who cares about a remake of "The Wolfman". And I know this defeats the purpose of your post, but every single one of those movies sounds absolutely horrible. Mamma Mia??? Universal! I'm a movie lover and I'm pretty open to just about anything. I will not go see any of these movies. Get somebody in there who knows what people want to see please.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 6:34 a.m. CST

    ...and at least Hannibal looked good.

    by I Dunno

    It was well shot anyway. And the performances were okay. Hopkins sort of forgot how to play the character but then again, it's a lot easier to look scary when you're in cage as opposed to being the curator of a museum or whatever the hell he was.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 6:37 a.m. CST

    Hannibal =Good Red Dragon = tnt sunday movie

    by Kloipy

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 6:45 a.m. CST

    Ratner IS Perfect

    by Lou Stools

    Who better to direct a film about a quasi-human snarling beast than a man who fucked one of the William's sisters.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 6:47 a.m. CST

    Is Brett Ratner a successful Uwe Boll..?

    by Aethyrr

    I think he is; I agree with what Harry posted. That guy is terrible, he makes these movies that you can watch but afterwards you feel like you haven't watched anything substantial, and you just know it could've been done in a much, much better way. But oh well, what you gonna do..? McG, Ratner, who keeps feeding them?

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 6:50 a.m. CST

    C'mon, leave Ratner alone

    by photoboy

    He might not be the best, but at least he's not a cunt like Michael Bay and Kurtzman/Orci.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 6:55 a.m. CST

    You people are funny

    by m_prevette

    Ratner hasn't made any Asian horror, hasn't done any itty bitty independant horror movies about a vaginia with teeth, hasn't made any horrid kung fu epics with idiots flyin around on wires, so ok yeah, he's no good. It's the blind leading the damn blind around here. Oh and Superbad sucks too.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 6:57 a.m. CST

    Krack...

    by drew mcweeny

    <P>... yeah, I've heard that before, but I don't believe it. Not for a second. <P>And if it turns out it is true, I will laugh so hard I will have to be escorted from the theater. That is the dumbest rumor ever, and if it turns out to be true, it will be the dumbest reveal ever. <P>The picture in the link of the CE3K alien makes me weep laughing when I think of it being the climax of the fourth INDY film. There would be riots in the streets. <P>Actually... now I hope it's true. Nothing would entertain me more.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 7:06 a.m. CST

    Harry just sealed the deal.

    by Nice Marmot

    No decision making suit is a fanboy. They know they will make a ton of dough AND piss off fanboys. It's 2 birds w/ one stone for them.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 7:20 a.m. CST

    Mori

    by DocPazuzu

    Can you imagine the super-special CE3K DVD edition with a cgi silhouette with a fedora stumbling off of the alien ship at the end?

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 7:22 a.m. CST

    They can't have the typical "grey" aliens in the film

    by I Dunno

    without people just assuming they're the Close Encounter aliens. Actually I hope there aren't any aliens in it at all. Maybe show the mother ship or something but actual aliens hanging out with Indiana Jones is just too out there. <p>I can appreciate that they want to do something different but that's too whacky.</p>

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 7:23 a.m. CST

    DocP

    by Kloipy

    LOL that is hilarious. Or they start playing the indy theme song on the keyboard to bring the aliens in

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 7:25 a.m. CST

    or Indy turns out to be the AI robot

    by Kloipy

    His Whip is real but he is Not

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 7:27 a.m. CST

    or Mirajeff shows up and challenges Indy to a fight

    by Kloipy

    Via morse code

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 7:29 a.m. CST

    David Twohy should be good for this

    by ELGordo

    He has done some solid work in the past and his period horror film Below was great.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 7:29 a.m. CST

    Anyone's opinion on this site

    by Kizeesh

    is worth nothing to a Hollywood exec.<p> Harry & Co may be pally with a few directors and actors who take fan opinon seriously, but the suits couldn't care less. And even if by some fluke of chance one of them happened to chance upon a talkback about their movie and read it, TALKBACKS ARE FULL OF SHIT. <p> You only have to look at the Del Toro - Hobbit talkback to see that tb'ers can't agree on anything and will happily proclaim that Peter Jackson is a crap filmmaker and should be shot replaced etc etc..<p> Now considering the quite obscene amount of money made by LOTR; what suit in hollywood would even give a statement like that brainspace?

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 7:36 a.m. CST

    I

    by Flipao

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 7:37 a.m. CST

    I Know!

    by Aquatarkusman

    "Why don't we get Lon Chaney, Jr. to play the Wolfman in the remake? Kids love that Lon Chaney, Jr.!" "I keep telling you, it's because he's 107 years old, and he's dead."

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 7:37 a.m. CST

    suck

    by Flipao

    Pressed enter too early and posted nothing useful, my apologies. P.S. I'm with you Mira, let the guy have a go before bashing him, X3 was a more than decent film.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 7:40 a.m. CST

    BTW, I Love That Black Box Logic

    by Aquatarkusman

    A: Ratner has hot women in his film! B: .... C: Profit!

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 7:40 a.m. CST

    Harry and all other assholes...

    by brianroberts101

    I'm not for the Ratner directing this either, but I DO NOT BELIEVE even for a second that you would eat your words if somehow, he pulled off a great film. I'm not saying he will, because he probably won't...All you guys hate him so vehemently, that it's blinded you, and Harry, I know you wouldn't eat crow if the film turned out well...which is weird because I thought you would eat anything, alive or dead...lap band man. WOW! I'm mean-spirited.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 7:43 a.m. CST

    Why not Coppola?????

    by Samuel Fulmer

    And I'm talking about Francis. I know he did Youth Without Youth which has been critically trashed, but I think he would be an inspired choice, and he's had a track record of coming in to save projects. Plus he did Dracula! Honestly though, Ratner wouldn't be that bad. As much as everybody on this sight craps on the guy, he's not that bad. Not that good, but not that bad either.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 7:45 a.m. CST

    Or Paul Verhoeven

    by Samuel Fulmer

    I'd like to see what he'd do with a horror film. Hollow Man was more of a thriller.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 8:35 a.m. CST

    In the words of Homer Simpsons...

    by thrillgamesh

    nerds...nerds...NERDS!!!!!

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 8:35 a.m. CST

    In the words of Homer Simpson...

    by thrillgamesh

    nerds...nerds...NERDS!!!!!

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Haahahaahah Red Dragon was shit

    by DannyOcean01

    And Harry is right, at least when it comes to what a poor director of actors Ratface is. Look at Keitel in that movie, look at Norton; absolutely mediocre. They look lost, and Norton seems to be attempting some horrific Petersen riff which is laughable, as that only worked in the context of Mann's operatic direction. And what's this guff Ebert was spouting about, 'inventing' the Tooth Fairy. Wasn't he already in Mann's film? Yes, if you want a competently directed film that you know adheres to every studio edict then by all means hire Rattner, and you lot can all go back to talking about A FUCKING GI JOE MOVIE (Jesus, how retarded you people are for caring about that). Just because the character has its origins in a slightly campy premise, doesn't mean this couldn't be a very adult movie. Stop thinking of this as another Wolf, and if you don't want to, why the fuck are you commenting???

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Ratner makes money.

    by sundancekeed

    In Hollywood lingo, that equals he's a genius. He brings stuff in under budget and he brings it in on time. Films aren't made by studios anymore. Not really. They're made by corporations who bought the studio's buildings. And that's the sensibility behind things like this. You can bitch, you can moan all day long but facts are facts. In fact, in this system, it's amazing that anything of quality EVER gets made. This movie will probably look great. Special effects, CGI will all be competent and maybe even groundbreaking. They certainly have the right people on hand for that. But it'll be soulless. If you want a good movie, go back and watch the original. Nobody's gonna top Lon Chaney, Jr. no matter who directs.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 8:37 a.m. CST

    ratner is the worst director

    by ZO

    alive today he couldnt out direct fred savage on daddy day camp. he killed the lecter series. he killed x men. he even killed chris tuckers career.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 8:40 a.m. CST

    NINE INCH NAILS: CLOSER

    by FleshMachine

    BEST VIDEO EVER....and ROMANEK DID IT. http://youtube.com/watch?v=AzP7YasPKHw

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 8:53 a.m. CST

    We don't care about inside baseball

    by gboybama

    Most of us can separate our particular baggage from what's actually playing up there on the screen and can give an honest assessment. From the best I can tell, Harry, et al, hate Ratner due to the process by which he acquires projects and his methods for completing them... oh and also for his success. They didn't like the circumstances by which he was given the XMen franchise or the deadline demanded by the studio. So, AICN hated XMen 3 with the fury of a thousand suns before they saw a frame of the movie. Please don't deny that obvious fact. And it was a good movie. Not perfect, but certainly superior to the first installment. Jean Grey ripping Professor X to atoms and Logan putting her down like she was a mad dog? Fucking awesome. The most hardcore moments of the series bar one or two moments in Xmen 2. Complain about the editing to someone who cares. Same deal with Red Dragon. That's a superb film. And I think if the haters were honest with themselves, they'd admit that if they knew nothing about who directed the film or where it came from, if they believed it simply spontaneously generated from thin air and they had no pre-conceived notions about it, they would have seen it was a competent prequel to Silence in both tone and quality and that it kicked the crap out of Hannibal. Anyway, rant over. Everybody commence to calling me a Down Syndrome baby or accusing me of molesting children.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Gboybama

    by sundancekeed

    I wouldn't call you a Down Syndrome baby, nor would I assume you molest children. It's more logical to assume that you're Brett Ratner's personal assistant.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 8:59 a.m. CST

    But Harry liked Rush Hour 1 & 2

    by DerLanghaarige

    http://tinyurl.com/yr6ubx<br> http://tinyurl.com/22cqwy

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 9 a.m. CST

    I like Red Dragon and Hannibal.........

    by travis-dane

    uhm......thats all.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 9:02 a.m. CST

    I knew fuck all about Ratner when I saw Red Dragon

    by Lost Jarv

    I had, however, seen Manhunter. <p>Red Dragon is not fit to lick the soles of Manhunter's shoes and reeks of being a cynical final return to the well. It was awful, pedestrian shite. <P>Silence is a good sequel to Manhunter, and RD is redundant.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 9:06 a.m. CST

    But X-3 was a piece of shit.....

    by travis-dane

    no matter who directed it.The studio fucked it up big time.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 9:07 a.m. CST

    BULLSHIT Ratner killed Xmen

    by BendersShinyAss

    Ratner made the most entertaining Xmen film since the first one. and it was better than the first one. the second was a boring piece of shit the same way superman returns was a boring piece of shit. All visual style WITH NO SOUL. Xmen 3 had a hell of a soul. and it was a damn fine entertaining action movie. You guys KNOW IT too. <p> On a more personal note; I wish Ratner had of made Superman and singer could have done what ever the hell, i don't care. Because if Ratner had of made superman half as entertaining as he made X3 then we'd already have a sequel by now. <p> YOU ALL KNOW IT!! <P> Maybe the director left Wolfman because it's going to be a piece of trash. Ratner can direct Wolfman. I look forward to it!

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 9:07 a.m. CST

    TEH WOLFMANS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS!

    by ArcadianDS

    Its a stupid movie about a stupid monster made during a time in cinema when many people still hadn't heard a 'talkie' before. It was, for its time, a pure F/X movie. People watched it not because it was this timeless classic franchise - they watched it because some guy turned into a wolf ON FILM. There is no story, there is no character, there is no depth, there is no magic - its a stupid gimmick movie that, for the life of me, i cannot understand the need to keep making it over and over again. Just because we have an actor who looks like the son of Blackstone the Magician and Wolfman Jack, there's a pressing and urgent need to make a wolfman film?<p> how stupid.<p> And this article is Harry's way of trying to avoid looking like a complete ass after MiraJeff TOTALLY CALLED THIS ONE OUT, and Harry responded by totally dismantling MiraJeff in front of everyone, like a fat Ebeneezer Scrooge.<p> Sorry Harry - Hollywood doesn't give two shakes about your opinion. Clearly, they hold MiraJeff in much higher regard than you.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Where wolf?

    by aboriginal

    There must be short list of immediate availability, but with a project like this . . . Ratt's too contempo-popcorn B project for something that deserves an eye with a feel for the material. He's second string backup when the QB twists an ankle. That was X3. ugh.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 9:09 a.m. CST

    X3 WAS more entertaining than SR

    by Lost Jarv

    but that says more about SR than X3

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 9:11 a.m. CST

    No matter who direct this movie, it will end up

    by DarthBakpao

    with no audience. Wolf Man? IS there anything knew about a man who's bitten by a wolf and turned into werewolf? Casting Benicio Del Toro as the lead will further kill this movie before it is even being made.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Why is mediocre ok?

    by Jack Burton

    So what if Ratner is passable as a director and makes "decent" movies? Why is that enough? The guy is a studio hack. He has no vision, no artistic integrity, and no imagination with the camera. X3 was garbage. Watch it again and tell me it's a good movie. Some of the scenes are interesting, but they could have been so much better. He makes movies you forget about the instant you are done watching them. I could care less about Wolfman, but those defending Ratner's previous flicks as "pretty good" are part of the problem. Reward mediocrity and pretty soon that's all you'll get.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 9:13 a.m. CST

    Both Manhunter and Red Dragon.....

    by travis-dane

    fucked up the end of the book.And Ralph Fiennes performance was great in RD.RD was closer to the book.But I liked the "Miami Vice" look of Manhunter.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 9:14 a.m. CST

    X3 made me want to cry...

    by stemp11

    i didnt though....ya the script was HORRIBLE, i couldnt believe they killed cyclops, prof x, and jean didnt come back as the phoenix, and they had im the juggernaut bitch, and it should have been called storm and wolverine, not x3, and angel had 4 motherfucking lines but was featured in the trailer like he was a central piece...i did like beast, he was bad ass, i wish they still nightcrawler, i wish colossus had a bigger part, i wish kitty pryde wasnt so big in the movie, maybe if it was X5 then it would be okay. how can you kill the 2 biggest characters in the X-MEN universere ( dont even say wolverine is one of them, cyclops has way, way more backstory along with the prof.) i guess i cant be mad at james marsden wanting to leave the franchise because they mis-used cyclops. i could go on for days about this fucking movie. gay, gay, gay. i bleed x-men colors...

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 9:20 a.m. CST

    I did not know that X-3 was an good action film.....

    by travis-dane

    but I do know that it was a piece of shit.But again,I think the studio fucked it up,not Ratner.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Get rid of Ratner.

    by Rubbertoes

    Many people of this generation have not seen the original Universal Icons in their original movies. If you do this first movie right - with the right director as Harry described, you have the rebirth of a great franchise = many films = lots of ticket/dvd sales = lots o'money. AT LEAST you are not having PAUL W S ANDERSON or UWE BOLL direct the film. They are franchise killers, the real fans that will support this movie are on this site.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Ratner as bad as no Haim in Lost Boys 2

    by Rubbertoes

    Ratner is as sad as when they announced there would be no Corey Haim in Lost Boys 2. Suck.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Angel wearing an X-Men outfit on the movieposter....

    by travis-dane

    what the FUCK?And then he does not have one line of dialogue(if I remember correctly) with the X-Men.......argh.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Who gives a fuck, they only want money

    by performingmonkey

    They want MONEY. Do they give a fuck about us? No. And so they shouldn't. I know I wouldn't if I was a studio exec. Their job is on the fucking line if they don't make the money.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 9:31 a.m. CST

    LOL @ anchorite

    by Kloipy

    "Mirabarf" that was hilarious

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 9:35 a.m. CST

    performingmonkey

    by Rubbertoes

    ...and that's why you are not a studio exec. You were correct in that they care about money - but how do they make the money? By people that have connections like Harry and AICN saying "WAIT A SECOND...THIS IS A BAD IDEA". Will they listen to everything Harry or we the people say? no. but if enough of us comment on it here - they can't just ignore it. There are some execs that will see this or listen... This just goes to show how cool what Sly Stone does for AICN really is. For him to take the time and ask us what we think - answer our questions "b/c this is way more important than a trailer or commercial could be" - that is class.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 9:36 a.m. CST

    I think the Ratner must have a huge......

    by travis-dane

    cock!Why else is he getting all that Hollywood"love".Has he something to do with the "Midnight Meat Train"?

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Bret Ratner is the Wolf Man

    by Diagnostic

    Ahh--wooooooo!<br>Wolf man of London.<br>Ahh--wooooooo!

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 9:39 a.m. CST

    In case you haven't noticed...

    by Bot-Bot

    The original Wolf Man was a classic, but really poorly written, directed and acted. I saw it recently, and was hugely disappointed by the ineptitude of the direction. Great potential as a story though, and certainly deserves better than Ratner.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Ratner isn't all that bad

    by TheLastCleric

    Given some of the swill you've endorsed over the years Harry, this plea comes off as nonsense and you know it. Your personal beef with this guy is pathetic because it's really a one-way thing. He's a moderately successful director who has actually made some decent flicks; you're the world's uber geek and, with all due respect, a bit of a freak show. Nobody in this industry listens to you Harry; a handful of directors use your site from time to time to get free publicity. Period. I'm sorry, but this letter really is silly, self-indulgent stupidity.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 9:46 a.m. CST

    HARRY

    by BendersShinyAss

    I respect you and your site, but I'm going call you out on the bullshit you speak here. <p> You say ratner can't do good special effect? I'm a visual effects whore and some of the VFX is X3 blew me away. Magneto picking up that cop car, crushing it and throwing it aside. Better than Singers wire raised drops. And the Golden Gate bridge sequence? Dude .... C'mon

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 9:48 a.m. CST

    STOP THE RATNER HATE!

    by Darth_Kaos

    Like Rush Limbaugh ditto heads, some of you agree with Harry without any facts or rational thought. Harry (or anyone on this site) has never ever written a reasonable and intelligible reason on why they hate Ratner as a filmmaker. Every quickly pulls the ‘Rush Hour’ movies out of their asses as a barometer, which is very unfair. Now I realize that Harry and most of the guys at AICN suck Robert Rodriguez cock on a daily basis, but no one every mentions those horrid ‘Spy Kid’ movies. And I won’t start with Eli Roth (who has yet to make a good movie) but yet AICN sucks his cock as well. Brett Ratner is a capable filmmaker that makes entertaining movies (isn’t that what it is all about). Now, I won’t run out and see every movie he does, because I base my decisions on content as well. I liked X3 and Red Dragon (which he doesn’t get much respect for) was very well done. The Rush Hour movies are his Lethal Weapon. . . .which he should have stopped after 2, but he likes doing them, so. . . the. . . fuck. . . what! They make Money! Ok, before I end my rant, let me make sure that you understand that I like and respect Robert Rodriguez as filmmaker. Most of his movies are very entertaining, but he has made some lousy movies as well. If he directs it, it will be fine. Stop ya bitching and the Hate!

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 9:56 a.m. CST

    FROM TODAY

    by Samson_K

    X3 was a financial success - but that was based on an incredibly successful franchise by Singer. Ratner killed it. Made the WORST FILM OF THE SERIES - and Fox sold it brilliantly.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 9:56 a.m. CST

    FROM HARRY'S X-MEN THE LAST STAND REVIEW

    by Samson_K

    This isn’t Brett Ratner’s car wreck… oh sure, he was just the hired hand at the wheel who managed to keep the car basically on the road, but he didn’t pick the car, nor did he fill the tank. No, this car, road and explosions were timed, set and sabotaged by Tom Rothman. I actually believe Brett could have made a pretty decent X-MEN movie had he been given the time to adequately adapt the film.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 9:57 a.m. CST

    if you are a fan of the X-MEN...

    by stemp11

    Then you didnt like X3...and your fucking liar or you are just an X-MEN fan poser ass piece of shit.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 9:59 a.m. CST

    JOHN LANDIS for The Wolfman

    by KingKirby

    He already has a working relationship with Universal and Rick Baker...is the guy doing anything these days?

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 9:59 a.m. CST

    anchorite

    by BendersShinyAss

    A ship that can travel at mach 200 is hit by women airforce pilots and sent into a spin, only to be saved by magneto and the bad guys convieniently below. <p> I have nothing against female airforce pilots btw. but X2 was a piece of shyte. X3 was not.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10 a.m. CST

    Harry - your Ratner Hate is getting pretty tired

    by Samson_K

    He's not a great director - in fact I would say that he was the Peter Hyams of todays generation but this is all getting a little rabid - Ratner has made some very watchable movies - Red Dragon is better than Hannibal and Rush Hour is quite a fun film, Rush Hour 2 is an okay film and Rush Hour 3 - well, I haven't seen it but no buddy cop franchise should ever go beyond 2 entries. It seems that you hate Ratner because of other people pulling out of films. Sitting reading your scoops and news and quietly glowering as you imagine Brett Ratner forcing Matthew Vaughan to leave X 3 or whatever.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10 a.m. CST

    THE PROBLEM WITH RATNER IS...

    by greigy just wanted to say

    ..is that he is production line film making at it’s most uninspired. He is a man who will do exactly what the suits/studio/dark forces of satan require of him. NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT..!! This is after all a commercial business and requires to make a profit to survive but the whole balance of art and commerce come into play and a little bit of market savvy. This is not a film to appeal to the adolescent Transformer crowd, this is one for guys of a certain age who fondly remember be allowed up at night to watch these cherished old flicks. It requires someone with an imagination and (I’m sorry) intellect that Ratner clearly does not possess. Can anyone here think of a single QUALITY director (I’m talking Scorcese, Ridley Scott, Christopher Nolan, David Fincher) who comes across as much of an airhead vacuous child as Ratner, I THINK NOT. There is a gravity to each of those talents. Ratner is the male equivalent of Paris Hilton, he is a used car sales man, a film flam man who can obviously woo them over in the boardroom but is yet to make anything remotely close to SIGNIFICANT PICTURE.. He soiled the X-men legacy (DIDN’T RUIN IT… JUST TARNISHED IT…BADLY), inflicted the anti-talent that is Chris Tucker on the world and reminded us why Michael Mann makes great films and he doesn’t. He has become the go to guy for execs with no imagination.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:01 a.m. CST

    anchorite

    by Darth_Kaos

    no, i don't think so. Here are some of the lamest moments in superhero movie history: peter parker's dance montage in Spiderman 3. Superman becoming stalkerman in SR. There's at least a half dozen more I could name.<br> dittohead

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Samsom K

    by Darth_Kaos

    Singer did the same thing with Superman Returns.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Why was Universal

    by Moe Ron

    spending so much money on a Wolf Man movie with Benicio Del Toro, anyway? Tentpole?

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Death to Ratner!

    by Nerdboy1423

    The guy should not be allowed to direct films! Universal, I love alot of your decisions to root for the underdog directors and smaller franchises, but this is too far! Ratner is a terrible director! Everyone knows that. Seriously guys, get your act together! Hopefully Harry can make a dent in your decision because he's right on, save for his disco statement, which was patently bizarre.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Darth

    by Lost Jarv

    It is irrelevant to compare Red Dragon to Hannibal. Compare it to Manhunter. <P>Manhunter is what a good director could do with that material and a much lesser cast.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Ratner bailed on "On the Lot"

    by Samuel Fulmer

    So he's not a total idiot.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:11 a.m. CST

    It's not Aliens in the Indy Lego Sets

    by Samson_K

    It's Skellingtons!

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:11 a.m. CST

    To the anyone but Ratner list

    by skimn

    I'd like to add an old pro with a more than checkered past ... Barry Levinson...huwhaaa?? He is good with actors. If this is to be a period piece, I think his Young Sherlock Holmes is underated ( tho a bit Spielberg-lite in tone ), and would really be hungry for a hit. I think that is one of Ratner's problems, he's not hungry anymore. The work comes to him and he does it..

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:14 a.m. CST

    anchorite, I never said he was a GREAT DIRCTOR. .

    by Darth_Kaos

    . . . I'm saying that he is not as bad as some of you make him out to be. I agree with you in regards to Michael Bay (that's a whole different issues). He's just guilty of sloppy seconds by the studios. But he delivers, no matter what your opinions are. He mimiced the style of the previous X Men movies for continuity. If he didn't, you would be busting his chops for not doing it. He can't win either way. Didn't uwe boll direct Ballsitic?

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Ridley Scott May be an Auteur

    by Samson_K

    But that just made Hannibal even more of an unforgivable piece of shit! It's a fucking awful film and it's not entertaining - Red Dragon is entertaining if average.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:19 a.m. CST

    I feel compelled to point out . . .

    by Movietool

    That if it had just been announced that John Carpenter or Robert Rodriguez had been announced as the new director, everyone here at AICN would be having a collective geekgasm right now, despite the fact that Carpenter has done nothing but awful, putrid movies for the last 20 years, and Rodriquez has made only one good movie - his first. (Sin City was a nice collaboration, but Rodriquez doesn't get the lion's share of the credit for its success) I agree that Ratner isn't a particularly exciting director - but he's hardly as bad as so many here make him out to be. And by the way, did any of you tools praising the great Bryan Singer actually see the festering turd that was Superman Returns? I'd watch X3 over that piece of crap any day.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Movietool. . . .

    by Darth_Kaos

    NICE! Thank You!

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Buzz Maverik To Direct THE WOLF MAN...

    by Buzz Maverik

    Given the hatred apparently and unfairly felt for Brett (and I call him Brett because we're both directors), it seems only right that I step in and take over THE WOLF MAN.<p>Am I an actor's director? As long as they mind their Ps and Qs and don't talk to me!<p>Do I have soul? Well, I know OF it.<p>Can I assemble a trailer? If Universal ponies up the dough...<p>All Universal has to do is meet my terms. I get a million dollars, because my needs are simple. They have James Purdy and Sons custom make me a precision shotgun with some of that fancy British engraving. I get a new H2 packed with Cuban cigars. Final cut, or no deal. My nephew Skor Maverik does the soundtrack. My friend Eriglione's mom will be in charge of craft services because Mrs. E makes the finest canoli west of Chicago. And baseball caps! I want Japanese baseball caps!

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:27 a.m. CST

    MiraJeff

    by ForkTongue

    I understand what you're saying and I can appreciate your view on the situation. Everyone has their own opinion. Personally, I could care less about Ratner and whatever hole Hollywood decides to plug him into. What really bothered me was when you completely trashed your own argument. You killed your point when you decided to talk about your personal connection with Brett Ratner. It's a long talkback so let me quote "Brett Ratner is not the Devil. I've met him a couple times (once at LAX baggage claim) and he's actually a pretty good guy. Him and Woody are still the only celebs who've taken the time to get on the phone with my mom to say hello (after the After the Sunset junket). He's an NYU guy so there's some allegiance there." C'mon man, every arguement you had for your point just went straight down the toilet. You quote Roger Ebert for your argument, but do you ever hear Ebert writing about his personal connection with some of the filmmakers in Hollywood? "I give Southland Tales one star because the Rock would not get on the phone with my mother."

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:29 a.m. CST

    That's still one more for RR

    by Lost Jarv

    and Christ knows how many more for carpenter. <P>And as this is a remake, I can't think of anyone better than Carpenter- look at his track record with remakes.<P>I would also rather watch X3 than SR. But that doesn't mean I'd want to watch either.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Oh Yeah...About The Script...

    by Buzz Maverik

    Haven't read it yet and probably won't. Apparently, there's some sort of writer's strike going on (like we need those yahoos, right?). I'll shoot what I want, the actors'll say what I tell 'em and my editor, Ali Knieval, will fix it all later. Make sure Ali gets a Japanese baseball cap!

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Aliens are not exactly implausible...

    by I Dunno

    but the Indy films are established as having to do with artifacts based on religion. To suddenly switch from mysticism to sci-fi might be a bit jarring. <p>Then again, so was going from Judeo-Christian to Hindu so it's obvious that in the Indy universe, everything is true. Kind of like Charmed. Sigh. </p>

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:36 a.m. CST

    The Pitch That Put Me In The Director's Chair...

    by Buzz Maverik

    Larry just got some sort of job promotion and will be shipping off to the ... uh, Moors...yeah, the moors. Foggy place, the Moors. Anyway, his annoying friends are throwing him a going away party and they're filming it. Larry has hooked up with Maleva but now they're not together because people like that are stupid. His best friend Bela is supposed to be filming everything, but Larry wolfs out and swallows the camera. The rest of the movie is a view from the Wolf Man's mouth, where the camera is lodge as he stalks and bothers his former friends.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:38 a.m. CST

    I'd watch a Michael Bay directed Wolf Man.

    by Knuckleduster

    Seriously now, if we can't have a decent Wolf Man, we might as well have something dumb and juvenile, filled with slo-mo sunsets and explosions and shit. I'd much rather watch that than whatever dull excuse of a film Ratface would deliver. If you're gonna fuck it up, go all the way and annihilate it completely. Don't get Ratfuck to remind us of how good it could have been. Or, even better, don't make the movie in the first place. Wishful thinking...

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Ratner

    by INWOsuxRED

    won't let Harry on the set and won't give him free shit, therefore this movie will suck.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Well, I liked X3 just fine

    by TheLastCleric

    And anybody who thinks people "pose" as comic fanboys is probably so diconnected from reality that several years of therapy are in order just to accomplish some sort of equilibrium in their pathetic life.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Rodriguez made a few more good movies than that.

    by I Dunno

    Desperado, From Dusk till Dawn, Planet Terror and although I never saw them, people seem to like at least a couple of the Spy Kids movies. And he still shot Sin City, even if Frank Miller was given a director credit for effectively storyboarding it. No, he doesn't make high brow shit where Anthony Hopkins plays a butler but what he does he does pretty well. And he's very hands on with the FX and editing.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Rodriguez made a few more good movies than that.

    by I Dunno

    Desperado, From Dusk till Dawn, Planet Terror and although I never saw them, people seem to like at least a couple of the Spy Kids movies. And he still shot Sin City, even if Frank Miller was given a director credit for effectively storyboarding it. No, he doesn't make high brow shit where Anthony Hopkins plays a butler but what he does he does pretty well. And he's very hands on with the FX and editing.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Samson_K......... Hannibal

    by greigy just wanted to say

    Get hold of the Hannibal dvd. Take a nice strong pot of coffee and watch. What you have is director struggling with an inferior source material and unrealistic expectation (because of the 10 year gap) and yet, because of superior taste and style he still manages to make a better film than red dragon. Go on re-watch it… I was very pleasantly surprised just how well it stands up. I too was disappointed initially with the film… but some flicks take a little time to be appreciated. It may be a little too soon here for the much maligned Hannibal but I feel the tide will turn… eventually

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:48 a.m. CST

    If Bay directs "Wolfman",it will have an slomo...

    by travis-dane

    shot of the Wolfman jumping over an Blonde babe with huge tits who wears an fucking bikini!And in the background something BIG explodes!shit.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Aliens are implauseable....

    by greigy just wanted to say

    ... yet we swallow the whole God thing..!! The Ark, the Holy Grail, the Holy Tea cup..!!!

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Hey Universal!

    by mukhtabi

    I'm just a lowly talkbacker but I've made 3 shorts in film school, two of which have won awards. Let me do Wolfman, I'll knock it out of the park. below are my films online: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7300742820146362151&q=Table+Manners+-+Ben+Franz&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0 And if anyone else wants to watch, feedback is always appreciated.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Aw, Queefer Bukkake...

    by digitalcos

    I think somebody needs a hug. c'mere, c'mon now.<p>***<p>There, now isn't that better?<p>Ok, now, there are some peanutbutter and jelly sandwiches on the kitchen counter and milk in the fridge, then it's naptime. The other adults and I will be in the other room talking.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Lost jarv and I Duuno

    by Darth_Kaos

    to Jarv: I agree! Micheal Mann is the MAN! to I dunno: you seem to forget, The Faculty, Once Upon A Time in Mexico and the god awful Sharkboy and Lava girl. RR hasn't made a lot of movies, so he's about 50/50. I agree that you shouldn't really count Sin City.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 11:09 a.m. CST

    As to X3...

    by TheLastCleric

    What continues to boggle my mind is how people place all the blame of X3 and its flaws on Ratner when all the man did was follow the blueprint of Bryan Singer. Are people seriously that dense? Bryan singer was the one who marginalized the characters of Rogue and Cyclops from the very beginning. People who wailed and cried foul when Cyclops was killed in the third film forget that Singer basically did the same thing to the character in X2, where he appeared briefly at the beginning, then was captured and didn’t reappear until the end of the film. Singer obviously didn’t want to deal with the character so he removed him for 85 percent of the movie. Ratner opted to do the same thing in the third film but simply removed him in a more permanent fashion. As to Rogue, she was all wrong from the beginning and has been regulated to a set piece since the original. X3 isn’t perfect, and it’s far from the film it could have been, but as much blame goes to the studio and to Singer as anyone else. Ratner made a watchable and decent sequel that was inferior to X2 but easily on par with the original.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 11:12 a.m. CST

    X3 is not good

    by Lost Jarv

    But, to be fair to Ratner, how much of that is his fault. Red Dragon on the other hand...

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Thriller Dance!

    by BillyPilgrim

    You know Ratner will work it in. That will be his genius at work! Heck, he can get all the guys from Cebu prison in the Phillipines. They should be avialable.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 11:16 a.m. CST

    I'd watch a Michael Bay directed porno.

    by PVIII

    100 million dollar porno. Think about it.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Good point jarv. . .

    by Darth_Kaos

    . . . X3 while still entertaining, would have been a lot better if he hadn't come in at the 9th inning. If he was given a long pre-production it would have been better. As for Red Dragon, I think it's his best movie to date.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 11:21 a.m. CST

    RE:"Michael Bay directed porno":The Rock2:RockHard....

    by travis-dane

    Or the real"Bad Boys" with the "freaks of Cock"!

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 11:22 a.m. CST

    People always say this about Red Dragon

    by Lost Jarv

    "It's his best movie to date." <p>However, that really is damning with faint praise. If the best Ratner has done/ can do is a movie that can only be described as painfully mediocre then really, he's nothing more than a hack.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST

    BanannaHammock

    by Lost Jarv

    you're so wrong. On almost every level. <p>Hannibal is not good. <p>Manhunter is far, far superior to Red Dragon. <p>Family man is rotten. <p>After the sunset was horrible, <P>However, X3 is far superior to Singer's vanity superman.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Give this to Paul Verhoeven

    by moviemaniac-7

    Let Paul go wild with it, give him final cut and we'll be happy...

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Harry do you think your plea

    by ewokstew

    is somehow not going to fall on deaf ears? Why even bother? Plus, who cares if Ratner directs it. You'll still have Lon Chaney and Claude Raines in the original. ...let it go, already...

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Hey guys, if Mirajeff gets a black box can I get one?

    by IndustryKiller!

    You know, since we are apparently just handing them out to absolutely anyone. But seriously Jeff you aren't getting away on the bullshit note of your last post. I explained in plain terms with examples why Ratner is a complete and total hack and you retort, in a snarky manner I might add, with a post that contains not a shred of evidence tot eh otherwise. In what way is Brett Ratner a decent director. Explain that line of thinking. Just because you like shit movies doesn't mean that they aren't shit. It just means you have terrible taste. but then again what can I expect from the guy whose most awaited film of the last season was I Am Legend?

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 11:34 a.m. CST

    I second that. Give Industrykiller the box

    by Lost Jarv

    and take mirajeff's off him. <P>and we'll agree to differ banana- as I have to leave work now.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 11:39 a.m. CST

    give MiraJeff's puke a black box

    by Kloipy

    it's the only thing original that's ever come out of his mouth

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 11:44 a.m. CST

    One Hour Photo was interesting

    by TheLastCleric

    I saw it once and never had a desire to watch it again.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 11:51 a.m. CST

    did you guys hear that MiraJeff challenged a 3 year old?

    by Kloipy

    MiraJeff lost

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 11:52 a.m. CST

    deliciouscowbell:waargghh!.....eat the skin....

    by travis-dane

    argh.But funny!

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Harry

    by Kloipy

    do you realize that one of your, I guess I'll call him a 'writers' for this site actually challengend one of our fellow TB'ers to a fight? This guy is a joke Harry!

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Sheep Be True, Bah Ram U : )

    by JediGBus

    When it comes down to it, if Harry had been praising Ratner for the past 5 years instead of degrading him, most of the people on this talkback would be singing a different tune about Ratner. Harry likes a lot of good and bad movies. Thus, your opinion ought to be guided by your own taste and not whether Harry thinks Ratner sucks "donkey balls" or whatever other phrase you guys are using these days. Hope for the best with Wolfman and you may be surprised. You guys act as if the movie will automatically be crap. Have more faith in the movies which you supposedly profess to love.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Cool Hand Puke: The MiraJeff story

    by Kloipy

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 12:08 p.m. CST

    What an intelligent and articulate article

    by Bobo_Vision

    Not. Your suit is black not.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Mori...

    by Shabbadoo

    Let me preface what I'm about to say by putting it out there that I love your reviews for this site. BUT, you come off as a seriously pompous dick in these talkbacks, man. You throw (occasionally) veiled insults at talkbackers at every turn, and I have never seen you agree to disagree on any topic ever. Not cool. And aside from my personal opinion of how you come off in these talkbacks, what's so dumb about the Close Encounters aliens having a small, insignificant connection to the Indy franchise? I could live without it just fine, but I don't really see it as blasphemy, either.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 12:14 p.m. CST

    I don't know about other major cities

    by Abominable Snowcone

    but in Cleveland Ohio the coroner's office revised their report sheets to feature a "cause of death" checkbox that simply reads "Mirajeff."

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Let's Really Blow This One: Joel Schumacher

    by ITSpook

    You know he'd put gonads on the Wolfman because he is into doing things with an anatomic look. Bat nipples... Wolf balls.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 12:22 p.m. CST

    I thought Harry used to be friends with Ratface

    by FILMFUNK

    Then something went wrong and they fell out which shouldn't really colour your unbiased proffesional journalism but seems to in H's case and ever since he REALLY lets fly at anything Ratnerish. I know his films aint Genius but i have enjoyed most of them with the exception of the Rush Hour sequels But I think the Wolfman deserves better.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 12:28 p.m. CST

    This is not classy.

    by Vanderhorst

    AICN and the Internet lose when posts like this happen, amigos.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 12:33 p.m. CST

    This is going to work....

    by wilsonfisk89

    This site has pull, and its going to work.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 12:38 p.m. CST

    If it does work, then dignity loses.

    by Vanderhorst

    Squealing tantrums from the audience that made Cloverfield look like it was a runaway hit and pimped Snakes on a Plane like it might actually be scary or funny? If this is Hollywood's decision making process I'll be glad to stick to the independents. This is a vulgar way to treat a person, any person, even a guy who has yet to direct a film I liked. To use their clout in this manner should be above any journalist.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Stephen Sommers he isn't.

    by riskebiz

    Regardless of the paycheck films like Rush Hour ... Brett Ratner did make a pretty entertaning X3 and made a really enjoyable film in Brosnan's "After The Sunset" and Red Dragon wasn't terrible either. Like Ben Affleck, I'm not sure all the hate put on Brett is deserved and it comes off as fanboy wining most of time. While I'd never accuse Ratner of being an auteur ... everyone has the capability to hit one out of the park and so does Brett. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. I just hope there aren't any more CGI Werewolves in this film. I can not stand CGI werewolves. They all look fake.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Universal...

    by smackfu

    To be honest, I don't give a shit about the Wolfman. I don't think anyone does really, aside from really, really nostalgic film buffs. I mean, the only real reason anyone even went to see Wolf is for the novelty of seeing Jack Nicholson as the Wolfman. This one probably won't even be near as successful as Wolf, and that one was only barely successful. Most people's attitude towards the Wolfman is 'meh' so Harry's statements are a bit overdramatic. The bottom line is, it's just plain stupid to hire Brett Ratner to direct this thing. It's not going to be a financial success either way, but at least if you put a real director on it, it could find minor cult status. If you put Ratner on it, it's not going to be a financial success, and it's going to be utterly forgotten about 2 months later. TBS probably won't even give you money for it, when they still get good numbers from the Nicholson one.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Say what you will about Joel Schumacher

    by smackfu

    But at least the man is an artist at heart. Yeah, he made Batman into Cats, but he also brought us Lost Boys, Flatliners, Tigerland and Phone Booth. The man knows how to frame a shot, bring forth a memorable visual style that tends to be unique with every film, and was even able to make Colin Farrell seem like an actor for 2 films.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 1:03 p.m. CST

    When are they bringing back On The Lot?

    by rsswope

    8P

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 1:05 p.m. CST

    This site has balls

    by AnimalStructure

    I love the way they act like anybody listens to them or cares about their opinions. Harry, Mori, et al, Hollywood doesn't care about you. Hollywood doesn't fear you. That's it, get it through your heads. On the one hand Quint thinks if he gives a bad review to a Sundance film, his review, and his review alone, will scuttle that film's chances of getting distributed. Power trip much? And now harry thinks Universal gives a rat's ass about his opinion. Didn't Harry love Van Helsing? He really thinks a Ratner Wolf Man is going to be worse than that total shit? Come on, come back to Earth you fucking twats. This site is a place for fans to jerk off, nothing more.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 1:10 p.m. CST

    You know if Harry had thought out his

    by Series7

    argument before just pooping out some BS, this would have been a more useful forum. First off he didn't give a valid reason for kids to care about early universal monsters. If he had mentioned the time line to these monster movie updates starting with Dracula then Frankenstein then The Mummy, showing how these movies have progressed and after the Mummy needed to be brought back on track. There really is no strong agument for Mark Romanek being some movie guru who is going to make this awesome, he is untested at best. But if Ratner is going to end up doing the movie Harry, then you should be mad at Mark Romanek. Maybe he was being too much of a bitch again these are Universal's monsters, maybe he didn't want wolfman to turn into a wolf and only beat up people in the day time and have him fight a giant spider in the end. Maybe they saw that the Mummy was too sunny and wanted to make it darker like Frank and Drac, and so they hired this new guy "artist" and he want he did not want to play by the rules. So universal wants to save its ass and Ratner does family friendly and money. So then we end up with a monster movie like the mummy rather then drac or frank. Harry why don't you call Del Toro or someone you know and get them to call a better director.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Fuck all you..

    by queerfilmjunkie

    Fuck all you "Hackner isn't so bad/he makes decent films" apologists. It's douchebags like you who are willing to settle for mediocrity that make people like Ratner successful. Until the general public starts demanding a better product out of Hollywood, we're going to be stuck with uninspired pablum like Hackner's films and the collected works of Jessica Alba.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Clap for the Wolfman

    by Snookeroo

    Mono for Dracula.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Pretty hilarious though pointless posturing.

    by RobinP

    Like you actually believe that major Hollywood studios actually turn to AICN for a steer on policy and creativity ? Like THAT's gonna happen ?

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Chevy Chase for Robocop IV

    by Axl Z

    you know it makes sense.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Smackfu

    by DerLanghaarige

    The only good movie that Joel Schumacher has ever made was Lost Boys. And even that one had huge parts of unintended comedy.<br> It's a shame that he got only reduced to "The guy who ruined Batman", because he is an 100% bad director, even without any comic books.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Sorry queerfilmjunkie

    by TheLastCleric

    I'm not going to take advice or insults from a person who thinks calling him "Hackner" is clever. I'm fairly indifferent to Ratner's work but Red Dragon was decent and Rush Hour 1 & 2 were plenty of fun so I have no problems with the guy. If you want to point fingers at brain dead people, attack those who spent nine dollars to see Meet the Spartans.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Werewolf Bar Mitzvah.

    by s00p3rm4n

    I will only see a Wolf Man film involving the musical fable of boys becoming men, and men becoming wolves. I don't care who directs it, as long as it is both spooky and scary.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Hrrmmppf

    by JamieCOTC95

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Sylvester Stallone should direct

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Make Rambo 5 a werewolf film.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 2:07 p.m. CST

    I'd Rather see Ratner direct Wolfman

    by Samuel Fulmer

    than George Miller direct JLA. That would've been a much bigger travesty!

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Why do people hate Ratner?

    by Mattyboy122

    Well, let's see. You could approach this from the auteurist level. The man's filmography defies any semblance of personality. If he has a style, it's that he can ape the style of other filmmakers. There aren't any issues continuously brought up in Ratner's films; he isn't preoccupied with anything other than getting the job done. He is a craftsmen. And if you take Truffaut's words to heart (arguing that the worst films of an auteur are still better than the best films of a craftsmen), then Ratner's standing falls drastically (even if you go so far as to consider any of his movies to be good, which is certainly a stretch). You can, of course, also approach it from the angle that he's a smug, superficial douche. P.S. Remember that hilarious interview in which he stated his first blowjob was from a man? PRICELESS.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Wolfman a Tranny?????

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Maybe Ratner's film will actually be a remake of Curse of the Queerwolf.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 2:22 p.m. CST

    @ I Dunno

    by Movietool

    Desperado was basically a re-make of El Mariachi, and it wasn't as good at that. I'll save you the trouble of watching any of the Spy Kids films - they're all awful (although I'm sure I would have liked them when I was 9, so in that regard I guess I should consider them "successful"). From Dusk 'till Dawn would have been a GREAT short film if they had ended it right after Clooney and Keitel share a drink, but everything after that moment in the movie is so God-Awful terrible that the entire film must be labeled "bad" as a result. I admit I didn't get to see Planet Terror, so I can't definitively speak on it, but seeing as how every movie he's made OTHER than El Mariachi has left me cold, I'm willing to bet I'll feel the same about that one too.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 2:23 p.m. CST

    The Truth About Brett Ratner....

    by Brians Life

    He's an ambulance chaser of a director. He has no style other than that which he borrows directly from others. I imagine him locked in a small room on the Universal Lot. His eyes glow black everytime a decent director drops out of a project and he begins his hairy dwarf douche bag quest to steal the movie. Do his movies make money? YEAH! IN case you folks haven't noticed...SO DOES Norbit and Meet The Spartans. If any of you think he's a GOOD director, you're an idiot. YES, it's that simple.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Funny...

    by MarkPhantom

    If this had been a post by Moriarty, everyone would have been piling on the Ratner hate. But since it's Harry, for some reason the morons come out of the woodwork to slag off Harry. Seriously, if you don't like him, DON'T POST HERE.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 2:31 p.m. CST

    I hope he does make it

    by i kick tits

    I hated X3 more than anything, but seriously you don't have to crucify the dude for it. It was just a freaking movie. I mean, sure it sucked pretty damn hard but wow, do you really have to dedicate an entire news post to trying to bring him down. Just relax already. Give the guy a break. Anyway I hope he does make this movie and it ends up kicking ass.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 2:32 p.m. CST

    I don't get the hate.

    by critch

    Ratner has never made a bad movie that I know of. The Rush Hours were fun, X3 while not perfect treated it with as much respect as the comic series does, (X-Men comics are convuluted as hell, and despite a shitload of revamps, it's still almost impossible to get into, not to mention the overemphasis on Wolverine, who manages to be in every single comic that exists in the Marvel Universe.) and was at least better than the first movie. Red Dragon was better than 'Manhunter', and served as a good start to Hannibal. After the Sunset was average but nothing deserving hate. Honestly, there are a thousand worse directors than this. Looking at the crap that gets pushed through as high art here, I'll take him over most of it.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Well ... damn

    by JamieCOTC95

    Disheartening news to say the least. Even w/ the fine cast and legendary Rick Baker behind this project I was leery of the movie from the get go. The Wolf Man does not need to be remade. (Neither did King Kong or Superman). I'd much rather see Chris Nolan or Guillermo del Toro do an original take on the idea. Well, that's never going to happen. So now Brett Ratner's at the helm. Screw it. I give up.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 2:34 p.m. CST

    by whatyoufear

    I don't know what's worse- seeing a film meant to revamp an iconic movie character get handed over to a person that can't direct shit to flush, or seeing people on the defensive over this decision.<p>Ratner doesn't have a single creative bone in his body, and we ALL know this to be true.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Why is the budget so high???

    by Samuel Fulmer

    It's a werewolf movie. Does it really need to be 80-100 million dollars?????? This is the problem with today's Hollywood, they want to make what was essentially a good B-movie and make it into an overbloated mess. My guess is it's not going to be scary with such a big budget, so what are they going for. Is Benicio wolfman going to fight Optimus Prime and Jar Jar Binks?? I guess if thats the case, I can understand the budget.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 2:41 p.m. CST

    The Ratner Hate

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Aside from his filmography (which isn't awful, but not impressive), my guess is it mainly comes from those who hate X-3 and blame him for its failure. That and the fact that he comes off as a jerk during most of his interviews. As far as why Harry seems to hate him, that's a good question. Maybe they had some sort confrontation? Or maybe he just hates the guys films.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Ratner

    by whatyoufear

    couldn't hit a pig in the ass with a snow shovel.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3 p.m. CST

    AnimalStructure

    by smackfu

    You couldn't be more wrong regarding this site, Harry & Co, and even our influence. You see studio execs primary concern is see that their film makes as much money as possible. This is why they have focus groups screen the film, to get a 'comman man' reaction to guage the general public's reaction to the film, find out what they did like, and what they didn't. If that room full of drooling retards says the ending was too complicated, or not satisfying, that shit is getting changed asap. It's a business. And the fact of the matter is, right now internet forums and feedback oriented film sites are essentially a giant free focus group, that provides them with instant daily feedback, feedback which is unreserved and brutally honest. And AICN is one of the most famous film sites going. I'm sure Harry could put together a huge list of stuff that these forums and editors clamored for that came to be as a direct result of fanbase feedback. The two that come instantly to mind are the inclusion of Peter Cullen as the voice of Optimus Prime in Transformers, which was directly credited to fan pressure by both he and Bay, and Snakes on a Plane, a movie which was re-written and re-shot due to the internet hype machine.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Guys I fucking explained this

    by IndustryKiller!

    I don't understand the people who say "I don't get the Ratner hate. Those people just mystify me. It must have been explained a hundred times by now on this talkback ad nauseam. I explained it in pretty vivid detail in my post toward the top of the talkback entitled "I'll tell you why we hate Ratner digitalcos" so before you post another defense of the guy read that and retort with something a little stronger than "I didn't mind the Rush Hour movies and X3 was entertaining DUH-HER!"

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:04 p.m. CST

    easy out

    by chutneylix

    I have no thoughts or feelings toward the Wolfman as a movie, icon or hairy creature but I can easily get behind this outrage. Its almost like studios hire Ratner cause its easy. "oh damn, we need a new director. Hm Ratner, I've heard that name being referred to as a director...can we get him?" And of course they'd be able to. No research necessary...lazy asses. That said, I thought Rush Hour, the original was mildly funny but that had nothing to do with the direction. Plus the sequels squashed any hope of credibility for Ratner in my mind.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Ratners success is an enigma...

    by quadrupletree

    ... wrapped inside a mystery wrapped inside a giant steaming turd.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:08 p.m. CST

    My hate doesn't come from X3...

    by Tourist

    ...It comes from the fact that hes the most incompetent director working in large studio films today. The guy simply cant make a movie that looks like a movie and not some dudes standing in front of a camera making dumb faces.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Mattyboy122, in regards to Truffaut's Quote

    by TheLastCleric

    Ratner has made several films that were better than Truffaut's adaptation of Fahrenheit 451, which was a travesty compared to the novel. Even factoring in the technological limitations of the day, his film all but ruined some great source material. So no, I don't take his words to heart. Ratner's work is solid if unspectacular and X3 was decent.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:10 p.m. CST

    The Ratner Hate....

    by Brians Life

    IS justified. And, morons, you're not a "HATER" if you justifiably hate something. A HATER just hates. The moment he see's a headline he says "This is gonna suck.", that is not Brett Ratner hate. It stems from being told a mediocre director is handling a property that should at least go to some one who is more than SIMPLY technically competent. Because honestly folks, for those of you that went to film school, just BEING technically competent is the easiest part.<br><br>My friend worked on a few of his flicks. He really likes ethnic girls to work as his Production Assistant, but he doesn't remember their names. So if it's a black girl and her name is Sophie, he'll call her "Sophie Black" or "Tina Japanese" and he always let's out this snorty fuckin' giggle when he does it. That's fuckin' class! <br><br>Yes, the movie industry is filled with douche bags like Brett Ratner. People that, the moment they get ANY power, flaunt it like they've always had it. <br><br>Those of you that are flaunting his filmography, NONE are good movies. Also, NONE are movies in which he wasn't simply copying angles and overheads from Silence of the Lambs, The X-Men movies, etc.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:13 p.m. CST

    My issue with Ratner

    by torontoxic

    He thinks he's the greatest. If he just owned up to his mediocrity and accepted that he's hollywoods waiting gape to use when the good stuff is dry then he'd be a whole hell of a lot better off. <P> What kills me is he doesn't have to go after potentially exceptional projects. His career now consists of being available when the real talent fucks off.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:15 p.m. CST

    and to the guy who was shitting on schumacher

    by smackfu

    I never said he was Spielberg, but he has made some decent films, one cult classic, and his films are inarguably far beyond Brett Ratner in artistic terms. Allow me to illustrate my point. How many times have you seen Lost Boys? 10? 20? Flatliners is no masterpiece but it's a guilty pleasure for many, it's an easy film to watch no matter how many times it pops up on tv. And how many times have you seen Rush Hour 3? half a viewing? Once at most? Do you really think you'll ever sit through it again in your life? That's my point. Schumacher outclasses Ratner by miles. You may not like what Schumacher considers art, but at least his intention is to create art, and not be some cookie-cutter hack that studios call in when the real director drops out. Ratner is the directorial equivilant of someone who re-produces famous paintings for a living. A person with the technical ability to create something, but something completely devoid of creativity or anything remotely close to artistry.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:20 p.m. CST

    smackfu, why not be equitable

    by TheLastCleric

    in your comparisons? You pit The Lost Boys against Rush Hour 3? How about the first two RH films which are actually pretty damn good buddy flicks? Red Dragon can be watched more than once and X3 is a solid end to the franchise so why only single out RH3? Who said that film was even any good? I certainly don't think it's the best example of the man's work. Hell, I won't even see the third film because the preview looked horrible.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:28 p.m. CST

    How about...

    by Tourist

    ...Anything in Ratners career against Tigerland? Or Falling Down? Yeah, thats right, hes got nothing. Compare Ratners worst to Schumachers worst, your still not even close. I'd rather sit through Batman and Robin again than fucking Money Talks.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:29 p.m. CST

    what bugs me about brett ratner most...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    isnt his directing - im jealous of the fact that hes banged serena williams (more than once i assume) - a lot of people think shes manly - i think shes a frazetta amazon warrior in the flesh - and that short chubby "director" got to bounce off her perfect bullet proof ass - lucky guy - for getting his gigs too

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Oh, and let me explain the difference...

    by Tourist

    ...Batman and Robin, or any other shitty Schumacher film fails because of bad decisions. Bad casting, bad writing, ugly design. But they look like movies. They look like fucking bad movies, sure, but at least they don't look like local cable commercials for hardware suppliers or local tyre fitting joints. Ratners films just aren't bad, they also fail to even appear to be semi professionally constructed, which given his fucking amazing and expensive crews, is kind of unforgiveable.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Say what you will about Schumacher

    by Mattyboy122

    The guy has a unique perspective. You watch a Schumacher and more often than not you can tell it's his film without seeing the credits (although sometimes he's using his unique point of view to make steaming piles of shit). Truffaut has made genuine masterpieces, Ratner hasn't made anything better than mediocre, so I don't really know what else there is to say on the subject.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Sorry

    by smackfu

    But the first two RH films are NOT pretty damned good. Just because a movie made money at the box office, and made your mentally retarded ass laugh and clap does not mean it was a good movie. To illustrate my point, Rush Hour was the 7th top grossing movie of '98. The two movies that are directly ahead of it in that list? The Waterboy and Doctor Dolittle. Do you see the trend? In case you can't, the 'trend' is that there are a tremendous number of very, very dumb people out there who consider Jeff Foxworthy a comedy genius, and liked Soul Plane better than Apocalypse Now. There are several kinds of films, but I'll narrow it down to two broad categories. Films made by artists, where the quality of the film is the focal point, whether that is achieved or not, and films manufactured by studios, where appealing to the lowest common denominator to bring in the bucks is the point. Millios of people love America's Funniest Home Videos, but that doesn't mean it's good. Just that a lot of people have low expectations and like watching infants get knocked down by dogs. The Rush Hour films, and X3 fall into this category. I'll give Rat credit, he tried with Red Dragon. But you're wrong again, it's almost unwatchable. Not because it's bad, but it's so plain and unmemorable that there's no point. I've seen Red Dragon twice, and I never intend on seeing it again. I've watched Silence at least 20 times, and can watch it 20 more. Even Hannibal I can re-watch, though such a ham-fisted, brutal film, it still has it's moments, and one unforgettable scene that's burned into my brain forever. Red Dragon? Pshaw. I'd rather watch Grissom and Brian Cox in the original.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Tourist

    by smackfu

    haha, well put. Now I finally realize what Ratner's films remind me of - a Macco commercial.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Greigy Just Wanted To Say . . . Hannibal

    by Samson_K

    I did, I watched it about three weeks ago and I just found it all style and no substance. I agree Ridley Scott had an appaling source material to work from - Harris' last 2 Hannibal books have been very much like novelisations of the film. I suppose I just wanted it to be good because it was a Ridley Scott work. I cringe at bits, but the film also has highs which make the lows even more difficult to bear. As someone said elsewhere in the Talkback I wish that Ridley Scott had made Red Dragon - I'm sure that would have been a finer piece of work.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 3:57 p.m. CST

    MarkPhantom - Harry Hate!

    by Samson_K

    You know a lot of the posts here haven't been Harry Hate - they have been discussions about the merit or otherwise of Brett Ratner. I don't think that the old 'If you hate Harry DON'T POST HERE' argument holds any water whatsoever. This is a public website - the writers post their opinions and invite comment on what they've posted. So, if one of them says something that others disagree with then that disagreement can be voiced. Sure there are some posters who just react with piss and vinegar and there are those who couldn't forumlate a well defined argument if it had a join the dots option - but the idea of not posting somewhere if you disagree with someone is just a worthless argument.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 4:05 p.m. CST

    RATNER....

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    fuck me. How is this bozo still making movies? honestly, i thought red dragon was cool...HOWEVER-he didn't have much imput on that-it was already an established franchise..with established characters...so he got lucky.Rush hour 1 was okay too...EVERYTHING ELSE aside from those 2 movies-sucked horribly. obviously he keeps getting film offers because he delivers financially...but harry is right-his films have no soul. someone should heath ledger his ass.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 4:09 p.m. CST

    JUDGING DIRECTORS

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    should be done by there name...like 1) RATNER-rat.immediately not chosen as WOLFMAN director 2)Shuemacher=shoe face.again, smelly, and not chosen 3)Uwe Boll=Bowel movement.nuff said, not chosen. See? CLEARLY the BEST WAY to choose the direcotr on any project..

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Will the REAL Brett Ratner please look left…

    by opie cooper

    I don’t chime in on TB’s much... but this one, I have a unique insight on. For reasons that you will just have to take my word on, I venture to guess that I have more motivation to dislike Brett Ratner than many of you. But, fact of the matter is, I don’t. To say he is a “bad director” is, IMHO, just plain silly. (I’m not saying you said this, Harry.) The man is NOT a bad filmmaker… in fact, he is very good at his trade. He directs films of a scope that would make many “artistic” filmmakers panic and run screaming from like a little girl. He knows how to get things done, knows how to survive in a very tough industry, knows how to make an audience AND the studios happy… Yes, I like Brett Ratner movies, despite our “past.” But, I can understand why people don’t. That having been said, what little I know, personally, of him is perhaps best shown 33 seconds into this video: http://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=XB9UUqPwdAM&NR=1 (remove space) God bless him. He’s still a survivor and a role model for those who want to make it in Hollywood. But, then… what do I know?

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Mode 7...my bad..

    by Brians Life

    He does refer to them in person as Sopie or Laura, but to his AD's it's "Black Sophie" or "WASPy Karen"...no joke.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Way to act like a cunt, smackfu

    by TheLastCleric

    I love reading pretentious little fuckwads like you trying to act like your word is definitive. Red Dragon sucked because you say so, X3 is the worst of the trilogy because you say so, blah, blah blah. Get over yourself, you pathetic little elitist. The Rush Hours films are fun, save the third. If you're one of those sorry dipshits who needs everything to be "art" why not go buy a Joyce novel and whack off to it? You really think your banal critiques and pedestrian film theories are anything but the musings of some fucking loser who needs to get some perspective? P.S Fuckstick, comparing Red Dragon or X3, flawed as they might be, to something like the Waterboy or America's Funniest Home Videos illsutrates what a hyperbolic little douche you really are.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Analysis of a turd

    by TerryMalloy

    <p> A studio would be more than happy to release a giant turd (literally) into every multiplex and have people pay 10 bucks to watch it for a couple hours. It's just smart business. But they know that the film must be good or there will be poor word of mouth/repeat business. </p> <p> Then again, Meet the Spartans was number one at the box office. </p>

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Samson_K

    by MarkPhantom

    I appreciate that, I do. I just think it's interesting how what could be a discussion on the relative merits/demerits of Brett Ratner tends to be devalued by people posting Harry hate. I just find it a bit weird that there are people who post here and yet go on about how much they dislike him. Just find it weird, 'tis all. Because I can understand Harry's rant. Ratner really doesn't have the vision to carry off what should be a personal project; he's just a bit too workmanlike to make it proper. I saw One Hour Photo, and very much liked it - it had strength to it which Ratner's stuff sorely lacks. I'm not saying his stuff is irredeemably shite, it's just...standard.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 4:40 p.m. CST

    MarkPhantom

    by Samson_K

    I agree - he's a workmanlike director - he shoots a script with no real visual flair. I agree with some of what Harry's saying but I find the smugness and pomposity of Harry's rant a little difficult to stomach - case in point his ascertation that Ratner killed X 3 but his previous review that stated he believed Ratner could have done a decent X-Men film if given the chance. It seems a little more pandermongering than real opinion and I find that hard. These talkbacks always end up with three camps - the Good, the Bad and the Iredeemably retarded. Not including you - and you're right any legitimate argument gets lost in the scuffle.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Directors who copy other directors

    by AnimalStructure

    I see a lot of you ragging on Ratner cause all he does is copy the styles of other directors, he has no voice. Can't the same be said of Paul Thomas Anderson? Sure, PTA's movies are better, but that doesn't make them any less derivative. <p> What if Ratner directed The Departed? I bet we would have gotten the same lame piece of shit we got from Scorsese. In fact, the whole movie came across as directed by Brett Ratner trying to copy Scorsese.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 4:50 p.m. CST

    P.T. Anderson

    by Mattyboy122

    Is overrated. And while The Departed is rehashed Scorsese (in the same vein that Casino is), it still isn't a bad flick. But yeah, doesn't change the fact that Ratner sucks.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 4:51 p.m. CST

    smackfu

    by AnimalStructure

    You really have no clue what you're talking about. Harry, Mori and this site have ZERO power in Hollywood. Perhaps the ENTIRE Internet community has some small measure of power, and even that is quite arguable. Bottom line is suits and execs could not care less what is said here. And your examples, Transformers and Snakes on a Plane... sorry, I can't stop laughing. If that's the best you could come up with then you REALLY are fucking clueless. How many days have you worked in Hollywood?

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Ratner could be a direct to DVD god.

    by BillyPilgrim

    Instead he wants to put SciFi channel quality movies on the big screen. Thanks man....

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Didn't Mori's diatribe on here play no small part

    by Samson_K

    In the scrapping of J.J Abrams Superman script - I don't think that as individuals they have the sort of power that we imagine they imagine they have - but let's face it Harry's post isn't really anything more than an editorial. I think these sites may have a little more influence than we sometimes think just because it's a gauge of feelings? I mean changes get made to films on the series of a handful of test screenings so changes can get made on the strength of a series of comments on the internet. However in this case I doubt it will because much as you hate or accept him Brett Ratner hasn't lost the studios any money yet.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Let it once again be know that Animalstructure said

    by IndustryKiller!

    That Brett Ratner is comparable to Paul Thomas Anderson and Martin Scorcese. This is in addition to last week when he said that Miami Vice was Michael Mann's best film, much better than Heat.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 5:18 p.m. CST

    (sigh) filmgeeks have no standards anymore.

    by jimmay

    I don't extraordinarily hate Ratner (far less than I do the patron saints of mindless Aintitcool fanboyism, Michael Bay and Eli Roth) but it's sadly hilarious the defense he's getting from some of the posters here: "competent" "adequate" "decent" "okay" "average." Is it really so hard to imagine why Harry is upset that a franchise he cares about is being given to a director who's biggest fans can only say is "competent." It's this lowering of standards that has led to the disgusting success of talentless car commercial directors like Michael Bay. These people make millions of dollars a year, more than most of us will even come close to seeing in our entire lifetimes, all we ask in return is that they actually try to do a good job and actually put in the effort to at least pretend they give a crap about the storied legacy of American film. Now if only Harry would send some of this newfound investment in the integrity of American cinema towards some of the other usual suspects destroying the medium. I fully expect a similar open letter to whichever studio is financing the next Bay shlockbuster.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 5:19 p.m. CST

    It is now highly unlikely that Ratner will direct

    by HEADGEEK

    Now they're looking at MUCH HIGHER QUALITY directors... let us all pray.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 5:22 p.m. CST

    VICTORY!!!!!!!(?)

    by IndustryKiller!

    let us pray indeed

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 5:28 p.m. CST

    HARRY: QUIT BEING SUCH A DOOSH!!

    by RustyStardust

    jesus h. christ! what the hell did brett ratner and paul ws. anderson do to you- rape yer mother?! my god, i can think of far worse filmmakers than them that get work on a continual basis (adam shankman, anyone?), yet you OBSESSIVELY bash them like some bratty toddler with poop in his pants. just chill. some of us like them. they aren't perfect, but both have made some highly enjoyable films that had style and substance (whether you see it, or not). just lay off. if you don't like them, fine. but, never write another article about them. nobody wants to hear it. we get it. you hate the man, cause he has a disco in his basement. and, you have a taco bell. but, just shut up. it's really annoying...

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Rusty maybe you haven't been paying attention

    by IndustryKiller!

    but it's not just Harry bucko, it's the majority of the people who come to this site. We ALL want to hear it. You know what our problem is with Brett Ratner, so now I wanna know what your problem is with taking a stand for quality, I think we as fans of cinema deserve it. You apologists are the annoying ones. You lower the bar for us all and feel bad for the likes of millionaire hacks who never have to work again in their lives.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Headgeek

    by Kloipy

    Harry, can you get Mirajeff to apologize for calling out one of us for a fight? That's bullshit man.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 5:37 p.m. CST

    oh, and matthew vaughn's x3 would've been worse.

    by RustyStardust

    did you see that wankfest called 'stardust'? no one else did either. it was so busy patting itself on the back, it didn't realize it was boring and, despite it's fantastic elements, uninspired. the only thing that was wrong with ratner's x3 was the script. he did the best he could with what he given. matthew vaughn wouldn't have been able to even pull that off...

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Hmm..

    by enoodle123

    I feel that Mr. Ratner makes mediocre to decent films. Maybe you should just give him a better chance. The guy always seems to be stepping into a crippling situation with one arm chopped off. Jeez..

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 5:44 p.m. CST

    mode

    by Kloipy

    look man, i don't know the guy personaly but he's only ever on here to agree with anything anyone says. But then he goes on to call someone out, and I don't think it was tounge in cheek. It would be a different story if this guy gave anything to this site other than just blind agreement. I mean, has he ever said anything to anyone who isn't Harry, Mori, or Quint? He should have just stayed out of it. And I gotta stick up for my boy Jarv

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 5:46 p.m. CST

    taking a stand against ratner isn't taking a stand for quality.

    by RustyStardust

    taking a stand against the dudes who made 'meet the spartans' is taking a stand for quality. ratner directed 'red dragon', which i found, and still find, to be a great movie. regardless of your hatred for the man, he has the potential to make interesting work. to me, all of this rabid resentment has more to do with the man himself and not his films. the line, he has a disco in his basement, is particularly telling. he's livin' a rockstar lifestyle. that makes all of you who live in yer basements, instead of having discos there, jealous...

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 5:50 p.m. CST

    mode_7

    by jimmay

    I guess where we may differ then is what constitutes a "good" job. I see films as art. That doesn't mean they all have to be terribly deep or pretentious, but it does mean they have to be honest. The shlockbuster makers, for all their lavish budgets, big-name stars, and huge-banking resumes lack that specific honesty--I read a music reviewer once call it "hunger"--that the medium demands. As an example, Bay, as an example, may have successfully translated his car commercials into multi-million dollar mega-sellers, but the fact he's stuck to the same directing ethos (style, flash, flare, boom) has resulted, predictably, in his movies having no more impact, emotionally or artistically, than 90 minute commercials. I understand film is a business, but it's traditionally been an art first. The more 'directors' we see employed specifically because they can pull in the money regardless of whether their movies are any good, the less the art that built the business is there, and the less people remember why the hell they go to movies in the first place. It is a fragile dichotomy: art vs business, and one that has traditionally been in symbiosis, but that stasis is starting to wane; and it isn't falling on the side of art.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Harry

    by quantize

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Harry's Cred is shot on Cloverturd

    by quantize

    so its all a moot point anywayz

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 6:19 p.m. CST

    I'm sure Bay sleeps like a baby, sadly.

    by jimmay

    I think it goes both ways, though. Films like There Will Be Blood (my favorite of 2007 by far) remind us that film is an art form; that seeing a movie can be as rewarding an experience as real life. That's what makes film important, it's relation to real life and its ability to put things in perspective in its finest moments. If all we saw were blockbusters, (or more pointedly, phoned-in, shoddily directed blockbusters like we seem to have so many of now) the experience of seeing movies would grow meaningless, replaceable. All of a sudden, sitcoms and reality television wouldn't seem so lame in comparison, and the consumer decides even more to stay home instead of going to the theater (as they have been doing more and more in recent years). Prestige pictures, even more so films that bridge the gap between art and blockbuster (i.e. movies that are both entertaining and have a heart and/or a brain) are, arguably also what keeps people believing in the medium of film and allows for the massive success of dreck director crapterpieces. Which is why even the studios should be vigilant against alienating film fans like the Aintitcool community (hint, hint).

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Family Man had heart....

    by Quake II

    I dare say it's a modern "classic" Christmas movie. The acting was good and the characters were fleshed out completely. I expected to hate X3 and found it more enjoyable than Spider-Man 3.....End of line

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 6:27 p.m. CST

    and, let's not forget harry's gushing review of fantastic four 2

    by RustyStardust

    i mean, how can i take any man's opinion seriously, when they'd support FF2?! where is the tim story hate? forget 'rush hour', let's talk about 'taxi'! FF2 was such a huge pile of steaming manure; X3 was a masterpiece in comparison. at least ratner attempted to find the gravitas in the characters. story just throws up horrible entertainment tonight style cartoons. i love film as much as any film geek (i'll go toe to toe any day of the week); and i support ratner because, while he makes stumbles, he has potential. and, at the very least, his movies are fun. i can name a hundred other filmmakers who are FAR WORSE than brett ratner. so, take yer ball and go home...

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 6:52 p.m. CST

    IndustryKiller! & mode_7

    by AnimalStructure

    Nice way to twist my words. I love Scorsese, when he used to be good. Now he is a shell of a man who makes commercial garbage. The Departed, which I'm sure you suck the cock of, looked as if Ratner had directed it and intentionally tried to imitate Scorsese in his direction. That is, a pale imitation of the director Scorsese used to be. At no point do I put the careers of the two men on the same level. As for PTA, he rips from Scorsese like a motherfucker, and Altman. He has no distinct voice, at all, no vision whatsoever, he is just a very good imitator. I think PTA is a much better writer than he is director. His direction is slick and soulless, and yes, I include TWBB in that. His movies are better than Ratner's, obviously. But to rip on one guy for copying and not another guy for copying, just cause you like the way one of the guy copies, is highly disingenuous. You say you stand for quality, which is laughable! All you stand for is the shit that YOU think is good. Your opinion is meaningless. And your taste is shite. I, on the other hand, have impeccable taste. You bring up Heat yet defend none of the points I made as to why I feel it is an inferior film to Miami Vice. I love Heat, but you ran from the argument in another thread. Thief is still Mann's best film, by far, but Miami Vice is right next to it. But again, you have no discerning taste, I can't help you with that. <p> mode_7 - Thanks for the psychoanalysis. I appreciate you taking the time to voice cliches and close minded thinking. Sincerely.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 7:04 p.m. CST

    This coming from a guy that liked Superbad.

    by skywalkerfamily

    Laughs.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Animalstructure you're compeltely delisional

    by IndustryKiller!

    I RAN from the Michael Mann argument??? HAHAHA. My friend I've neevr run from an argument on this website in my life, especially not from the likes of you. If you think Miami Vice, a film I liked but features a questionable lead performance from Colin Ferrell and a good but not great drug plot, is better than Heat, considered by most the greatest heist film of all time and featuring Pacino and De Niro opposite each other for the first time in what may have been their last great roles, then you my friend, are suspect. There isn't a room full of film fans in the world you could get on your side with that argument. And I didnt twist your words in the least about Ratner. You said that since PTA and Scorcese use techniques from earlier filmmakers and so does Brett Ratner, that in some twisted reality you cannot criticize one without criticizing the other. That is, in essence putting them on the same level. It's also absurd logic. All filmmakers use certain techniques of those that inspired them, but Scorcese, yes even today, and especially PTA are the geniuses of their time. I'm sorry if you didn't like the Departed but it's as tight as cop thrillers get. A modern day western set in the incredibly underused city of Boston, classic cops vs. robbers with brilliant performances all around. It's got a few flaws, but hit the target so hard for what makes a classic genre picture that it rightfully (amongst the nominees) took best picture. PTA has proven with There WIll be Blood, easily the best picture this year, that he can make a classic epic that is also small enough to be a character study that so completely encapsulates it's subject that you cannot turn away. As for slick and soulless, I don't think you have ever seen the film Magnolia. From John C. Reilly desperately searching for his gun in the rain as if his very existence depended on it to Tom Cruise facing every demon he has been running from his entire life in one fell swoop, if you can watch those scenes and feel nothing then YOU sir are the one in need of a soul. Not to mention the corruption of the innocent tale that PERFECTLY captures it's time period that is Boogie Nights. Sorry Animalstructure, but you're the classic example of the modern philistine philistine.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Once again my typing skills on display

    by IndustryKiller!

    just thought I should admit how awful they are before someone tries to attempt it as a weak argument.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 7:15 p.m. CST

    To Ratner Something.....

    by ragimus

    Lets add Ratner to the dictionary, it means to be hired hijack and truly fuck up some poor hardworking bastards film and leave the resulting pile of crap in the hands of the studios crack marketing team to make the money because the product itself wont. Man he really Ratnered that film up!!!!!

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Animal how does TWBB rip off altman?

    by IndustryKiller!

    PTA's other films may be inspired by Altman, what with his large ensembles, but Altman doesn't have the patent on that all to himself. Frankly we could use a lot more ensemble pictures nowadays. Besides There WIll Be Blood is a story about one man and one man only. You're argument went out the window.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Anchorite

    by half vader

    There's a Salma Hayek blow up doll?! Hot damn!

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Harry's vendetta against Ratner

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    He should just shut the hell up with his war against Ratner. There are plenty of other mediocre directors that you could wail against. JJ Abrams is one of them...

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 7:26 p.m. CST

    X3 was not a good example to bring up

    by Rupee88

    That only made about a zillon dollars profit...I know you say that it was due to marketing, but the Rat gets some of the credit.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 7:30 p.m. CST

    The ONLY choice of director for getting the ATMOSPHERE right is.

    by Timothy E RAW

    Seriously fellas, some of these choices are batshit insane! You really think the director of NIGHTWATCH wouldn't turn this all into Matrix-lite flashy gimmickry? Alex Proyas is almost "too genre" for my taste. No the first word in atmosphere, who deserves a shot and comes with a much cheaper price tag - BRAD ANDERSON. Any of you ever see a little film called SESSION 9? Probably the most atmospheric chiller since the likes of THE CHANGELING, THE EXORCIST and VILLAGE OF THE DAMMED. The guy has also directed two of the most amazing romantic comedies of all time in NEXT STOP WONDERLAND and HAPPY ACCIDENTS and the reason I mention these is due to the real life humamn element he brings to otherwise "only in a movie" situations. If you want a lynchian feel as many of you are suggesting, Anderson's THE MACHINST (though a lesser film than the 3 perfect ones before it) goes some of the way towards that. Cannot wait for his new effoet with Emily Mortimer, will be immense! Give this guy a shot! On another note ONE HOUR PHOTO is one of my favorite films of the 00's, so seriously bummed about Mark's departure. So far the only suggestion i think is in anyway suitable for the material is TOM TWYKER, better than even Fincher I'd say. The last time he was operating at the level needed for this story was 1995. There, I said it.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Other choices i really approve of

    by Timothy E RAW

    Mark Pellington (GOING ALL THE WAY - really overlooked film) and David Slade would be excellent also...ANYTHING but the Rat!

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Ratner created Prison Break

    by skywalkerfamily

    The first season was excellent.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 8:03 p.m. CST

    hey queefer...

    by RustyStardust

    i would never take film advice from a dude named queefer. 'red dragon' is a great film. and, a lot of other people agree with me as well...

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 8:12 p.m. CST

    thanks for the update harry

    by virtual_ninja

    hmmm they could get Alfonso Quaron to direct it, not sure about his schedule though.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Who are these people Rusty?

    by IndustryKiller!

    Who think Red Dragon is a "great" film. I've heard watchable to entirely mediocre to bad, never great. Silence of the Lambs is a great film, Red Dragon is a mediocre film with great actors. There's a difference.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 8:26 p.m. CST

    More Exorcist III love

    by classyfredblassy

    Up till the ending, it was good film. Well written, spooky, and it had a good performance by an over weight George C Scott. IF you haven't seen, check it out late on night, with the lights out, and the 5.1 sound cranked. PS> red dragon was just ok, till the point when the dude started eating the painting, then it became a comedy.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 8:43 p.m. CST

    UNIVERSAL - Maybe you SHOULD listen to that Red-haired man

    by snow dog

    Haven't we seen enough shite out of Hollywood? No doubt Ratner is more than qualified to step in at the last minute and salvage the Wolf Man. He's demonstrated the ability to play the role of troubleshooter - he can make it look visually appealing and probably pull the hairy ass out of the fire. Some horror fans will be fooled by the flash; others know better. Harry is correct: this iconic film deserves a journeyman director not a Mr. Fix It. X-Men III was a financial success, but killed the very story arc so carefully crafted by Singer. Del Toro on the Hobbit - that I can live with in lieu of Jackon. But Ratner on the Wolf Man? I'll wait to see it on late night reruns....

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 9:33 p.m. CST

    AnimalStructure

    by smackfu

    You've already demonstrated clearly that you are batshit crazy, but to say that execs could care less about what the general public feels about an upcoming movie means you're also one dumb motherfucker. Like seriously, seriously stupid. Why the fuck do you think they even assemble focus groups you wanna-be retard? Let's recap: Every forum you post on is basically filled with replies about what a fucking retard you are, because you invariably make bizarre comments in every conversation you enter, you sometimes try to pretend that you're a part of the Hollywood scene and lie about having friends working on HBO shows, and you think Miami FUCKING Vice is better than Heat. So I'm not sure why I'm even bothering to talk to you, you're only going to reply with some illogical, batshit crazy statement or opinion. Honestly, there is nothing really to say to someone who thinks the Miami Vice remake was better than Heat, it's like arguing film quality with someone who thinks Robocop 3 was better than Bladerunner. You're just not really one of us man. You want to be, and you probably think shitting on established and embraced cinematic works and directors makes you appear to be some kind of elite genius, but that's backfiring bigtime. Everyone agrees you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. I admire you're misplaced confidence, but really...when 99 people tell you you can't sing...and you think you can sing...what are the odds of everyone else being wrong and you being right?

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 9:38 p.m. CST

    when I say 'one of us'

    by smackfu

    I mean film aficionados, not the people on this forum specifically. I meant the people that you're making a Talented Mr Ripley-esque attempt and emulating and blending in with. You're just a weird retard with backward opinions.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Just to put a period on the crazy Smackfu

    by IndustryKiller!

    Animalstructure, in the story right above this one, posted that the vast majority of women have terrible taste in film. When a female talkbacker responded as if she was insulted, which any sentient being could see she was, and posted a list of excellent films that were her favorite that made him look like a jackass, he said that he was merely referring to most women before concluding by calling her reactionary for what he thought in his mind was a stupid response. He also said he wouldn't comment on her list of favorite films, probably because it was a great list. So not only is our little animalstructure totally batshit, he's also a charmer with the ladies.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:05 p.m. CST

    MiraJeff Gotta Eat!

    by johnnykool

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:13 p.m. CST

    X-3 was a steaming pile of vile...

    by poeticwarriorII

    ass chili mixed with three week old pig vomit. This movie could've been the best horror flick of the last 20 fucking years and Universal pulls their cranks out and whacks off all over it by getting Ratner's dumb fucking ass to direct this. The original is one of my favorite movies and up until now this looked fantastic. Fuck Ratner, this guy is a fucking hack of epic proportions and if this pans out Universal will have increased the already staggering amount of mediocrity being shat out of Southern California.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:15 p.m. CST

    All the X Men movies kinda sucked.

    by skywalkerfamily

    1 had the weakest fight scenes of any Superhero movie. II was the Wolverine Kids Hour, and III was stupid ass wrestling.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Whoever addressed my post on Miami Vice

    by AnimalStructure

    You teenagers are truly hilarious. What you think are great lists of films is hilarious! Thinking this site's visitors represent the general public is hilarious. Your taste levels are so fucking generic in the worst way possible. You don't seem to like interesting films, only films with a facade of being interesting like TWBB. I'll admit, if I was 16 I'd think TWBB was great, but I'm an adult so I know better. Stupid people think the film is complex. <p> As far as Heat goes, let me say again....Waingro. Please explain why DeNiro's crew needed him for the opening heist? And if we allow they needed him, we are expected to believe they only meet him THE VERY MORNING of the heist? Okay, whatever. DeNiro dying at the end is terrible and boring as a choice. The whole sequence with Ashley Judd and the cops and telling Kilmer to get lost and the cops not recognizing him just cause he got a haircut? Ridiculous and stupid and lazy. Diane Venora is terrible. Amy Brenneman is terrible. It's overlong and badly paced in sections. Hard film to sit through. <p> And to say Scorsese in his present form is a genius? The Departed a tight cop thriller deserving of Academy Awards? And you question MY fucking taste?!? I don't know why I argue with kids. The Departed was an awful hollow Hollywood paint by numbers shitfest. DiCaprio is incapable of being great as an adult. Nicholson was way over the top and simply unbelievable. Dumb plot twists masquerading as character development. Come on man. Don't be such a willful little cunt.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:33 p.m. CST

    DICAPRIO WAS INCREDIBLE IN BLOOD DIAMOND

    by BringingSexyBack

    Far better than his Departed performance, which was not a bad one at all. So Scorcese got an Oscar for a great movie, but not necessarily his best. So what? Like Jennifer Hudson deserved an Oscar? At least Marty earned it.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:34 p.m. CST

    A guy who likes Miami Vice says we're

    by skywalkerfamily

    stupid? The Miami Vice movie was the worst piece of shit I saw in the theaters in a long time.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:43 p.m. CST

    Animal Crackers

    by quantize

    continues his reign of easily being the biggest douche to shit smear talkbacks. Like all conservative loons he thinks if he makes some lunatic psychotic argument *sound* plausible it somehow makes it real. Keep talkin you delusional fop. You sound infinitely more immature than anyone you look down upon here.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:43 p.m. CST

    I LOVES ME SOME MICHAEL MANN BUT MIAMI VICE SUCKED

    by BringingSexyBack

    Crockett and Tubbs barely spoke to each other the entire movie. And Crockett and Gong Li's affair was unconvincing, rushed, and implausible. But still, Mann is no doubt a great director. This one was his Jurassic Park 2, that's all.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:50 p.m. CST

    I SAW RUSH HOUR FOR JACKIE CHAN ONLY ...

    by BringingSexyBack

    and that was the laziest fucking movie I can remember in recent times. Talk about everyone just showing up for the paycheck - from Jackie and Tucker to all script writers involved. That Chinese girl even has an accent when she didn't in the first movie! WTF and you know who's to blame? The fucking DIRECTOR - RATNER. He's supposed to be steering the ship and making sure everything is tight, including continuity and performances. That's why he's a hack. Forget his real life douchebaggery. He just doesn't give a shit. So why should people reward him with the purchase of a ticket?

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:51 p.m. CST

    I MEANT RUSH HOUR 3

    by BringingSexyBack

    I'm so upset about Ratner I can't think straight. My hands are literally jackhammering this keyboarfdfdjfkjdkjfkdljflkdsjflds jfds

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 10:54 p.m. CST

    ACTUALLY MIAMI VICE IS MORE MANN'S INDY/LAST CRUSADE

    by BringingSexyBack

    Jurassic Park 2 had the black girl doing gymkata-style damage on a velociraptor. That's money.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 11:05 p.m. CST

    RIGHT ON XIPHOS

    by BringingSexyBack

    and that rockin Jan Hammer tune, with jigglin' bootys filling the big screen. Now that you mention it theres a serious lack of bikini-clad hotties in that movie.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 11:09 p.m. CST

    I WANT ELLEN PAGE TO SIT ON MY FACE!!!!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    Chocolate covered Juno juice

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 11:10 p.m. CST

    WRONG TALKBACK - MY APOLOGIES

    by BringingSexyBack

    Please disregard.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 11:23 p.m. CST

    AND THE CROCKETT STUBBLE TOO

    by BringingSexyBack

    with his white jacket and rolled up sleeves. Colin Farrell looked like a gas station mechanic. No offense to any mechanics out there ...

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 11:27 p.m. CST

    Everyone here thinks you're a jackss Animalstructure

    by IndustryKiller!

    Not to mention a sexist. What is it like being so out of touch? To say Heat is a hard movie to sit through? Every single flaw you mentioned is conjured out of thin air. Merely story details that you simply disagree with rather than having any argument against. And considering you've proven yourself insane, I don't think your simple opinion counts. And saying Leonardo Dicaprio can't act? WTF?? The guy gets an academy award nomination for every fucking movie he makes. If you really think that then taking an acting class and learn something about it before you comment. And calling it paint-by-numbers is completely missing the point. Yes it's a classic tale of cops and robber, but it's told incredibly deftly with three dimensional characters right up there with the best of the genre, and a pace that practically melts your face off. You're completely off your tree animalstructure. You're point of view is so based on wacky opinions that there is obviously no convincing you, all we can do is pity. I guess being out of touch is part of being a conservative.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 11:27 p.m. CST

    HARRY have them at least sign Neil Marshal

    by mindhuntr

    Dog soldiers was a pretty good flick and the Descent had even more tension He would also be cheaper

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 11:27 p.m. CST

    I'M PARTIAL TO THE SCENE WHERE HOPKINS IS EATING LIOTTA'S BRAIN

    by BringingSexyBack

    Maybe that's why Liotta's in Uwe Boll's movie. That scene was for realz!!!!

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 11:32 p.m. CST

    DENIRO GAVE A GREAT PERFORMANCE IN HEAT

    by BringingSexyBack

    He actually had some good chemistry with Amy Brenneman. Ashley Judd looked good as a blonde too. Good call on Mr. Mann's part.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 11:40 p.m. CST

    This site is so fucked

    by ThePilgrim

    Seriously....

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 11:42 p.m. CST

    don't freak Mirajeff

    by CaptainGilgore

    you're the only sane voice on here. harry has a vendetta against ratner for some unknown reason. It's actually pretty scary. Scarier than a wolf man. Maybe Harry should star in this movie. Then he could go batshit insane about the cast. -- Ratner is right in the middle of the pack as far as directors go. He's not near the top but he's nowhere near the bottom either. These mindless talkback nerds follow the herd. Harry hates Ratner? Uhh, well, umm- HE MUST BE A BAD DIRECTOR THEN! BOOOOO! Like 99% of the people here even know what makes a good director. (p.s. to me, every single X-Men movie was exactly the same)

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 11:50 p.m. CST

    SO WE'RE SHEEP BECAUSE WE AGREE RATNER IS A HACK?

    by BringingSexyBack

    That's a nice bit of pretzel logic there.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 11:51 p.m. CST

    'to me, every single X-Men movie was exactly the same"

    by IndustryKiller!

    I think, Captain, with that line you've nullified your point quite effectively thank you very much.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 11:52 p.m. CST

    I KNOW WHAT MAKES A GOOD DIRECTOR ...

    by BringingSexyBack

    A good movie.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 11:54 p.m. CST

    Harry and Mori

    by ThePilgrim

    Are Assholes.. Look at how they treat others, and then look at how they live, and what they have made. They used this site too make powerful friends in the biz, too scare and control several movies, too make easy money, too be a part of the system itself, and they talk so much shit and have done some dirty fucking things. Be it self promoting one of their own as being some new guy on the scene that is in no way a part of AICN (Mori's Amusements) the list goes on, and on, so many times. The TB'ers around here have said enough, but still the AICN wheel rolls on. They should be blacklisted from every lot and they should be looked into for bribes. Theirs is coming. Just you watch. Shit always catches up with the Shitter!!! Doesnt matter how powerful their Friends are...

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 11:57 p.m. CST

    What the fuck are you talking about Pilgrim???

    by IndustryKiller!

    You sound like a crazy guy on Bleeker Street holding a sign that says "The end is nigh!!!" You don't make no sense man.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 11:58 p.m. CST

    HARRY AND MORI GIVE US GREAT JOY AND HAPPINESS

    by BringingSexyBack

    You take that back Pilgrim!

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 11:59 p.m. CST

    *WALKS TO PILGRIM AND POINTS AT HIM WITH COLD EMPTY STARE*

    by BringingSexyBack

    Does that scare ya?

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 12:01 a.m. CST

    Brett Ratner is already fucked

    by Gozu

    Mark Romanek will probably go and direct some brilliant independent film that will be remembered long after people forget about Brett Ratner's mediocrity. Also, Mark Romanek has already had a very successful career as a music video and commercial director, easily one of the best if not the best, so he's already proven mastery of his craft, something Ratner never, ever will accomplish. Ratner won't even be remembered as a famously bad director, because he's not bad enough to be interesting.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 12:04 a.m. CST

    UWE BOLL > BRETT RATNER

    by BringingSexyBack

    At least Uwe can box. Ratner can't even box on a Playstation.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 12:04 a.m. CST

    It's them who laughs and knows better

    by ThePilgrim

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 12:05 a.m. CST

    This talkback broke ThePilgrim

    by IndustryKiller!

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 12:08 a.m. CST

    AICN IS NOT CNN

    by BringingSexyBack

    If Mori promotes his work here, then all power to him. This ain't no paragon of professional journalism site. And if you're gonna point fingers, why not point at the studios for all the viral marketing they do to brainwash kids and promote shit movies?

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 12:10 a.m. CST

    Hey Bob!

    by ThePilgrim

    Son Bob, Jimmy Bob, Bobbing On A Sonny Bob's, Jim Bob's Son.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 12:11 a.m. CST

    I don't think cronenberg would be right for WOLFMAN

    by ClockWorker

    this TB was hysterical btw

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Razzle Frazzle, Drizzle, Drazzle

    by ThePilgrim

    Snig, Snark, Snnnnnoooooooooookkkkeee!

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 12:17 a.m. CST

    It's a sad day when the TV show Miami Vice was

    by skywalkerfamily

    ten times better than the movie.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 12:18 a.m. CST

    X 2 was the best X movie.

    by skywalkerfamily

    The entire last hour was well done. All the characters came together and had something to do.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 12:35 a.m. CST

    if you really want to see an x-men feature that does the comic j

    by ClockWorker

    then get marvel to give pixar a call and do a top notch CG treatment. That's the only way you'll get a similar look. unless you wanted to go the sin city route which I personally can't see happening

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 12:46 a.m. CST

    I saw Ian McKellan a few months ago

    by skywalkerfamily

    He was being interviewed for an hour, and he said that he really loved playing Magneto because he had a really cool cape.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 1:49 a.m. CST

    Time for RICK BAKER to direct

    by bgart13

    He loves the Wolfman mythos. He's all about the werewolves, the wolfman, etc. He is simply the best living SPFX man who is totally creative in every aspect. He knows what it takes to make something creepy, etc. It's time for RICK BAKER to step up and take the reins of this monster.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 2:03 a.m. CST

    You know whats awesome...

    by Tourist

    ...This mammoth talk back is all about wether Ratner is fucking shit or merely pretty shit.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 2:10 a.m. CST

    Whats coming pilgrim...

    by Tourist

    ...Is that the site will slowly die out as the contributors move onto other areas, as the readership gets sick of the aforementioned shilling etc, and as the site can't keep up with other advertising rags like Empire, because they lack the ability to run a professional site. But why do you give a fuck? We all got something out of it. They made some cash, got some connections, got star fucked, and we got a place to chat about the current movie news. No harm no foul. It's not like they are in elected office.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 2:37 a.m. CST

    UNIVERSAL ANSWER BACK...EMPIRE MAGAZINE SAYS...

    by HarryBlackPotter

    IT'S NOT NECESSARILY GONNA BE THE RAT. FOLLOW THIS...http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=21906

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 2:52 a.m. CST

    Schumacher

    by hamslime

    After that 8MM debacle between Schumacher and Walker, I think Schumacher might fuck up the movie out of spite. That is if he doesn't fuck it up on accident first. For the sake of full disclosure, I do like a lot of Joel Schumacher's movies (D.C. CAB, Flatliners ect.) but he royally screwed the pooch with 8MM. Ratner WILL do the same. I'll say it again. ANDREW KEVIN WALKER DESERVES BETTER! He's talented as hell, and since we'll probably have to wait another ten years for another script from him, I want this to be directed by someone who is competent, not someone who is just looking for a paycheck.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 2:54 a.m. CST

    i just watched some youtube of ratner...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    he comes off as very smarmy - shifty - a guy that loves his job/position/station/status more than the product hes having his name stamped on - hes just gettin paid and livin the dream - harrys right on this one - based on what ive seen from romanek and ratner, romanek is by far the more interesting and inspired choice for this movie - sorry hes gone - whats james mangold or timur bekmambetov up to - maybe one of them can jump in for this - or james foley - or rob bowman

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 2:54 a.m. CST

    Remake 8MM

    by hamslime

    Use the original script and let Fincher have at it.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 3:03 a.m. CST

    brett ratner can shut the haters up by...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    ...findind or coming up with a real dream project he can call his own that he believes in - thats all him - personal - his baby - not just a gig thats handed to him because the real director quit - something that on paper would make people say "sounds very cool, i cant wait to see that, if it ever gets made" - i hope the rush hour movies werent "it" - he needs his "fountain" or "one hour photo" - but that requires work and suffering - get rid of the carnival atmosphere, turn the basement disco into a giant editing suite - get serious chubby

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 3:09 a.m. CST

    holy shit, i just read the empire article...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    mangold is in the running - i just called that one - and darabont - darabont is a no brainer - the mist was awesome - he should do this

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 3:44 a.m. CST

    Get....

    by Fortunesfool

    Joe Dante on the phone right now. And then someone take Ratner out back and hit him in the head with a shovel. No one will miss him.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 3:47 a.m. CST

    Saying all the wrong things.....(HARRY)

    by y7jver01

    Harry is an idiot. He should never tell Universal what to do he should tell it to stallone!!! Maybe sly is the desired choice. I know Harry would love it if he directed this. Seeing the way he sucked up to Stallone with RAMBO4 which was a crappy-chuck norris-of-deltaforce-kinda dum shit-can. Let Ratner do thisfor all i care.. After seeing what Harry endorsed, it cant be as half bad as RAMFUCKO4.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 4:06 a.m. CST

    what the fuck is up with people on this site?

    by Spoiler_Man

    Xmen 3 was the best out of all of them! Why dont people like Ratner? Hes a better director than Christopher Nolan or that guy who did 300. At least Ratner makes good movies you can enjoy again and again!

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 4:32 a.m. CST

    I've got a new policy on this

    by Lost Jarv

    "Why does everyone hate ratner" shit. I'm just going to repost IndustryKiller's disection of the rat. <P>And I'm going to do it every couple of hours. <p>IndustryKiller on Jan 30th at 10.44: <P>Because he is a styleless studio shill who has made one horrible film after the next since he hit the scene. The only thing he has ever done that was ever remotely competent was Red Dragon, which given the pedigree of the actors and the story, should have been amazing rather than a boring, overly straightforward, cop thriller. The Rush Hour movies, from a directing standpoint, are about as banal and trite as it gets, with horrible narrative storytelling. I can see Ratner sitting back, not doing a thing, while Chris Tucker and Jackie Chan improv chemistry that Ratner will make millions for. You might say "Dude it's a buddy comedy which is meant to be fun and make money." Yeah, and Ratner is perfectly happy to treat the material no more regard than a money printing machine, so he merely points the camera and allows the actors to do the work while the rest of the film from a plot and directing standpoint is just sloppy and lazy. Maybe if he decided to back up Chris Tucker's enthusiasm with a little of his own those films would actually be watchable. Then there is X3, Ratner's only attempt at style and an unmitigated failure on every level. I'm not a huge fan of the first two films, but any tension or excitement Singer had built up in the first two films was absolutely destroyed in the third outing. I mean look at the action for Christ sake. Compare the opening shot of X2 with Nightcrawler to the final, unintentionally funny battle at the end of X3. First of all when Magneto begins moving the Golden Gate Bridge it's broad daylight and when he lands it, which seems to be about 5 minutes later, it's pitch black night. That's what kind of director Brett Ratner is. "I want it to be night in this scene so fuck it, I'm going to magically make it nighttime. Logic be damned!" The fight that ensues is about as well directed as your average b-movie with blatantly obvious wire work everywhere and incredibly uncreative use of the characters (those we have left) and their powers. The whole scene is shot like it had the budget of a TV show. The rest of the film is, in trademark Ratner style, completely bland and unremarkable with absolutely no sense of wonder or excitement. Ratner is known as openly being a studio shill, that is why studios love to use him. He will listen to whatever a bunch of silly men in suits who know virtually nothing of quality tell him to do. He is a errand runner, not an artist.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 4:36 a.m. CST

    We were joking in the last TB about Ratner...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    And yet we were right -- or Uni called us on our bluff. If they are in fact considering Ratner now, I just find it hilarious that the studio might be that vindictive toward the "fanboy" demographic. Hey, Universal, if Ratner doesn't pan out, why not get Stephen Sommers? He can revamp the whole thing and turn the wolfman into a good guy who uses his powers to fight a greater enemy: The Devil himself! Come on, do it! You know the moviegoing public (i.e. teen boys trying to cop a feel from their dates) isn't too keen on a traditional but classy retelling of the wolfman tale.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 5:34 a.m. CST

    Harry, is there some kind of feud with you and Ratner?

    by BobPalpatine

    I remember I read an interview with him once, where he talked about how he paid to fly you and your "fat fucking" dad out to see Money Talks - his first film. He said you got along great, but then you later chided him on this site. If what he said is true then it sounds like you went a little low. Then he mentioned that article you wrote about Ratner directing Superman, and you said that Ratner told you he had never heard of Superman (this I remember you saying Harold). He went on in the interview to say how absurd your claim was. Really, who hasn't heard of Superman?! So I'm just curious if these article now is motivated by some personal vendetta you seem to have started?

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 6:14 a.m. CST

    Darabont, Condon, Mangold & J. Johnston are in the running

    by Desk of Steel

    From the Hollywood Reporter: Brett Ratner, Frank Darabont, James Mangold and Joe Johnston have either met with the studio and producers or are expected to do so in the coming days. Bill Condon also is a helmer the studio is keen on. The biggest challenge the studio faces is its inability to work on the script because of the writers strike. Any filmmaker coming on board takes on a locked script, overseen by Romanek over several years, and many directors want to put their stamp on it. Martin Campbell is one helmer who was interested, but he is no longer in contention. Another potential wrinkle is star Benicio Del Toro. The actor, known to be choosy with parts and directors, might have a say in the process. Many on the list are writer-directors, but Ratner is not. The director, who met with the studio Wednesday, is emerging as the strongest contender because of the fact that he has experience in taking over a project that has lost a director late in the game. Ratner famously took over "X-Men: The Last Stand" after Bryan Singer flew the coop to direct "Superman Returns."

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 6:39 a.m. CST

    * WALKS OVER TO SPOILER_MAN, TAKES GLOVE OUT OF POCKET *

    by BringingSexyBack

    *Slaps him 3 times across the right cheek, then once across the left. Then squeezes his face and shakes his head looking upon him with shame. Then takes pliers and painfully pulls out a bunch of his public hairs and walks back calmly to his seat in the talkback stadium. *

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 6:40 a.m. CST

    I MEANT "PUBIC" HAIRS

    by BringingSexyBack

    and public humiliation.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 6:58 a.m. CST

    The first Xmen

    by DonnieDorko

    was the best, the second was the worst.. But I don't think people can see that objectivly.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 8:25 a.m. CST

    BSB...

    by Abin Sur

    Actually, PUBLIC hairs and PUBIC humiliation is funnier.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Also...

    by Abin Sur

    As much as I hate to admit it, a Ratner Superman would have at least had somebody get super-punched. And no real estate scams.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 9:23 a.m. CST

    IndustryKiller!

    by AnimalStructure

    As I suspected, you're all bluster and hot air without a wit of substance to anything you say. You could not refute even one point I raised about the ludicrous plot devices Mann used in Heat. Instead, you mounted an impassioned defense of that piece of shit The Departed by again just using a lot of hot air, and get this, DEFENDING LEO DICAPRIO AS A GREAT ACTOR!!!! Fucking priceless you clown, priceless. <p> Can any Heat lovers here explain why DeNiro needed Waingro for the opening heist apart from needing him as a plot device? Can anyone explain why such a smart crew as DeNiro's would hire Waingro but NOT EVEN MEET HIM until the day of the heist? They don't even know what he looks like when Sizemore picks him up! This is ludicrous on its face, but I wouldn't expect a fool like you to know the difference between organic plot developments and contrived ones. Hell, you love The Departed, which is all contrivances. So I can hardly expect you to know what the fuck you're talking about. <p> I also see you can't answer why, after getting a haircut, no one can recognize Kilmer from his mug shot. Or explain how stupid that entire sequence is and how it makes no sense except for a way to let Kilmer get away. DeNiro dying at the end is a matter of preference, but the two plot holes I described are unforgivable. And the fact you won't acknowledge or defend these massive plot holes implies I am right, which I am. <p> Why did they need Waingro, can you answer that you silly cunt? The whole movie falls apart if there is no Waingro, and Waingro's involvement is ludicrously presented. Like I said, I love Heat, cause it has a lot of other things going for it, but to deny these incredibly lazy decisions by Mann is a fool's game. Played masterfully by the biggest fool, IndustryKiller!

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 9:37 a.m. CST

    AnimalStructure

    by Lost Jarv

    Miami Vice is not a good film. At all. It also has the worst sex scene I've seen in a long time and a total absense of chemistry between the leads. <P>Heat is good, plot devices notwithstanding, and much much better than Miami Vice. <P>When my wife saw Miami Vice I asked her what she thought of it. She replied that she thought Coliin Farrell "looked smelly". I laughed for days.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Red Dragon

    by Gozu

    You know, when you have an amazing cast (Edward Norton, Ralph Fiennes, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Harvey Keitel, Emily Watson, and Anthony Hopkins), one of the best cinematographers ever (Dante Spinotti, who also did the cinematography for "Manhunter"), music by Danny Elfman, and a screenplay by Ted Tally that is very literally adapted from one of the best books in the series (so much so that lines that were stolen from "Red Dragon" and used in "Silence" were repeated), it's really not hard to see how this film came off so well. And you know what? It still was pretty average.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 10:13 a.m. CST

    X3? WTF?!?

    by Curious_Jorge

    X3 ROCKED! It was the most comic book-y of the three movies. Marvel takes chances with their stories; they kill major characters off (who don't seem to want to stay dead). "DON'T YOU KNOW WHO I AM? I'M THE JUGGERNAUT, BITCH!" The one complaint I have about the movie is that Halle Berry's role was too big for her this time around. But, that's not Ratner's fault; James Marsden all but jumped ship for the Superman franchise. So, instead of Cyclops coming into a full leadership position, we got Storm, instead.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Manhunter vs. Red Dragon-Wheelchair Scene

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Just compare how Mann handeled the reporter in the flaming wheelchair and how Ratner did. Mann's is filled with tension and suspense, Ratner's is just a long shot of a dude slowly moving down the street. I do give Ratner credit (if he's the one to credit) for at least trying to make a more faithful adaptation of the book. If he hadn't, the film would be totally worthless.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 10:50 a.m. CST

    I KNEW IT! MANGOLD ME! OR DARABONT!

    by Unlabled

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Lost Jarv

    by AnimalStructure

    I think your wife's summary of Miami Vice says more about you guys than it does about the film. I must say, it is not a film I casually recommend, because it is a little too sophisticated for most people. If people can't understand why Farrell look and acts as he does in the film then I really can't help you. It shows a profound lack of understanding of the world these characters inhabit. There is so much depth to the film, such a shame the majority of you can't see it.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 11:27 a.m. CST

    AnimalStructure

    by Kloipy

    it's just like Transformers in how you can tell the aged look of the metal really shows how their characters have grown in the age of machines. I mean, seriously, if you look close you can see the pain of the past in those robotic eyes. Wow, it's such a deep movie.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Ratner is perfect

    by Mr_X

    for teenwolf 3

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 11:39 a.m. CST

    about this ratner hate.

    by RustyStardust

    it's dumb. he's a decent director. most of you come off like rabid windbags that don't know a thing about filmmaking. look, for all your xmen love- singer ruined 'superman'. matthew vaughn ruined 'stardust'. tim story ruined 'fantastic four'. all of your complaints are hollow. x3 was better than 'superman'. at least wolverine didn't wind up stalking jean grey. so, to beat up on ratner is dumb. and, smacks of knee jerk, basement dwelling nerd hate. harry has been a total douche about this since day one, and colored all of his reporting with nasty, unfounded vile. there are many other directors out there who make worse films. most of your critiques are the lowest common denominator critiques, 'duh. it stinks like my diapers!'. you can't even voice what you like or dislike. i don't really care what your opinion of brett ratner is. but, i feel i should at least defend a man who has gotten such a raw deal on here. i mean, perhaps if you were more encouraging and had constructive criticism for directors they would be more apt to listen to you. this is a film community. but, everyone on here is just spitting hatred. where is the love? i mean, even the worst directors are just trying to do their job. making films are extremely challenging. you have to wrangle a massive production. deal with crews, unions, fights on set, fights over budget, fights over creative choices, studios who don't trust you, actors, writers, the list goes on. and, even with the best intentions, a film can fail. and, for all these people's hard work, they have to deal with a bunch of juvenille dbags ripping their films from the safety of their bedroom and bags of tostitos. it's so disrespectful. haven't you ever heard that old grandma saying, 'if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.'. that's not to say we should all make daisy chains and sing kumbaiya. it's just saying that we should all respect people for the work they do, and make an even handed judgement that is able to fairly balance the pros and cons of any project. because, even the worst films have some things about them that work...

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Rusty- X3 was NOT better than Superman

    by wilsonfisk89

    by any means- Im a lifelong Superman fan, but am not the biggest fan of Returns, at all. I think Singer did a mediocre job. My problems being lack of action, the kid, lack of terror in Luthor's lame plot, and the fact that Supes and Luthor shared the screen for about 30 seconds, HOWEVER- at least Singer had VISION, something Ratner lacks completely. X3 was an abortion. It was a quick, meaningless film, lacking solid direction, feeling, scope, and heart, all the things that made 2 pretty good. Ratner is a hack, thats it.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 12:03 p.m. CST

    X3

    by AnimalStructure

    I'd love to know the drugs you all are smoking if you think X3 was worse than Superman Returns or worse than the other lame X-Men films. X2 is BORING!! Aside from a few cool fight scenes, it is boring as shit with a lame lame lame ending on those cheap set pieces. X3 was ENTERTAINING! And to say it doesn't have heart or scope or feeling is patently false. Famke is great, Jackman is great, their last scene together is great. The stuff with Mystique, IceMan finally becoming IceMan, Xavier's death scene. This is all good stuff. Anytime X3 is on cable it is quite easy to watch. X2 or X1? Put me to fucking sleep everytime. Ratner is a hack, but so are most Hollywood directors, including many of the directors this site and your moron TB'ers suck the dick of.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Animalstructure is really the screenwriter for "miami vice"

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    the epic final shootout alone (in "heat") qualifies it as a better film than "miami vice" - people still talk about "heat" - its almost a cult film (amongst guys anyway) - no one seems to remember "miami vice" - i didnt care for crockett and tubbs - but that had more to do with the casting - mann should do a sci fi film

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 12:15 p.m. CST

    i liked x3 too, but i still dont think ratner should get "wolfma

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    of the 4 in the running either mangold or darabont are the obvious picks - if you want a good movie that people will remember 20 years from now

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 12:17 p.m. CST

    The "RAT" must have...

    by lionsfan

    RAPPED harry's mom. This is the only possible explanation of the vendetta....and he must be forced to watch it once a day

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 12:18 p.m. CST

    I agree

    by ThePilgrim

    Respect The Creatives. Even more so when you don't do what they do. Who the F are you to judge or for that matter try to control what happens too a film, whne your justa spectator. I get the love but I dislike the hate for hate sakes. Ratner deserves better. It's sad, relly this place is so fucked. Seriously you guys act like you control Hollywood, and I wish they would do something too you in regards too it. Maybe one day you will piss off the wrong creative and he will make an example of you some how, that will forever shame your names. The other film critics don't piss and moan in the same manner or tear down these people like you guys do, and you do it without any reserve. It's practically racist, akin to hate crime. You guys deserve a returnment on your actions. You seriously do.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 12:39 p.m. CST

    X3 entertaining?? HAHA!!

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    Nope, not in the slightest! Terrible SFX, forced performances, inaccurate characterizations, contrite story, source betrayal, awful dialogue (I'm the Jugger..you get it) and on and on. I think some people find X1 and 2 "boring" because it actually tells a story and requires a bit of attention (of which some people on this TB clearly lack) while X3 is nothing but visual vomit.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Harry - tell us about how Ratner denied the request for an on-se

    by ArcadianDS

    And how that doesn't play into any of this?

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 12:48 p.m. CST

    subject clipped

    by ArcadianDS

    Im being told that once upon a time, Ratner denied a set visit request.<p> very interesting.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 1:02 p.m. CST

    I LIKE THE PART IN X3 WHERE ELLEN PAGE WAS PHASING

    by BringingSexyBack

    in and out on my boner.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 1:20 p.m. CST

    What the hell????

    by jimmay

    What's with this: "we should respect everything the creatives do" bullshit? What are you five? These people make millions and millions of dollars a year. Their films are seen by millions and millions of people. They damn well better expect every word of criticism they get. They certainly deserve it. If I were a director, I damn well would.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 1:21 p.m. CST

    X3 started out good...after that it went downhill

    by finky089

    that's all I'm contributing to that fight...which was more than Cyclops got to do in the movie

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 1:23 p.m. CST

    YES!!! DARABONT!!!!!

    by cinemixtape.com

    The Mist was fucking awesome. He's the perfect choice.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Anybody in the entertainment industry should expect

    by finky089

    criticism. That's what happens when your work has exposure to 300 million people in this coulntry, let alone 3 billion people around the world.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 1:24 p.m. CST

    And the "old Grandma saying" is full of crap

    by jimmay

    "If you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all" is complete bullshit. It may work with school children, but in adult society, if everyone repressed rightful criticism we'd live in a conformist state of ruin. Kind of like the 1950's.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 1:29 p.m. CST

    But Harry should get to say whatever he wants re: Rat

    by finky089

    You think he and AICN has sold out now. But the day he stops giving his unadulterated opinion on everyone and everything, he'll be no different than Entertainment Weekly. Except not owned by Time Warner.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 1:49 p.m. CST

    If you don't have..

    by DonnieDorko

    "If you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all" said Michael Jackson to the 9 year old boy he was driving home.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 1:52 p.m. CST

    If you don't have..

    by DonnieDorko

    "If you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all" says Uwe Boll instead of "Hi", "Hello" or "Nice to meet you".

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 1:55 p.m. CST

    thelastcleric

    by smackfu

    "Red Dragon sucked because you say so, X3 is the worst of the trilogy because you say so"...Yes. They do suck. But not because I SAY So.. The sky isn't blue because I SAY SO, the sky is blue because...it's fucking blue! Look at it, it's right there, it's clearly blue. It's blue because of light refraction and the chemical makeup of our atmosphere. Maybe you see green when you look up, I can't argue upon what you do or do not see. But...it's blue. If you see green, then you're got some fucked up rods and cones going on. It's your problem, not mine, and it doesn't change the fact that the sky is blue. So to carry this analogy back to the subject at hand, yes, Brett Ratner's films suck, for a thousand reasons. They're technically competant, but soulless, bland, boring, phoned-in films that are completely unmemorable in every way a film can be unmemorable. For Christ's sake, this guy managed to make an unmemorable Hannibal Lecter movie staring Edward Norton, Anthony Hopkins, Ralph Fiennes, Philip Seymour Hoffman and Emily Watson. Do you have any idea what an epic failure that is? To have that much talent in a film, and the film is boring and forgettable?

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Animal always goes for what goes BOOM!

    by IndustryKiller!

    It's pretty plaint to see by his tastes at this point that he cannot stand more than 5 minutes of character development. It would also explain his penchant for Miami Vice and X3. He's one of those idiots who cannot differentiate between what he personally prefers and real quality. Actually he knows damn well that it isn't quality but he spends all his time making cheap justifications for his tastes. As for Heat, why dot hey want Waingrow on the team? Cause maybe they feel they needed another guy. And that's not apologizing, thats just an obvious connection. The only thing I'll give you is them not catching Kilmer, it's a stretch, but it's at least somewhat justified in the context of the film. But if it bothers you I could see that. It's such a small piece of the film that it does nothing to derail anything else. And since the whole point it to show what Ashley Judd's character is willing to sacrifice for Kilmers, I'll take the character moment even if my sense of disbelief is stretched minutely. As for your criticism of the actresses, you've proven yourself a fool on the subject of acting. There is nothing wrong with any of the performances in that film. Maybe the roles are underwritten, but the performances across the board range from good to excellent. What you seem to ignore is the major conceit of the film, and thats the interplay between the character of Pacino and De Niro. It's the story on opposing ends of life both completely obsessed with what they do trying to come out on top. And when you've got two of the finest actors of all time playing those roles it's lightning in a bottle. I drives the rest of the film and it works brilliantly and it automatically put it above Miami Vice which has no such character connection. As for the Departed, you seem o be incapable of telling the difference between contrivance and good old fashioned storytelling. Moriarty described The Departed as a "good yarn told well" and that is exactly what it is. It's classic Hollywood mythology, where the good guys are good and the bad guys are bad and people live and die by the sword. The Difference is it's told on an incredibly high level by one of the greatest directors of all time with some of the best living actors we have. I remembered Animal, that you are a conservative, and that in the past your conservative beliefs have dictated your tastes, I'm pretty sure that's the case here with Dicaprio, who is famously liberal, that and you don't seem to know thing one about acting. That would also explain your mystifying problem with There Will Be Blood. BTW I've noticed an annoying habit of yours int hat you end every one of your posts with some sort of platitude aimed at your target. Do you do that in real life? Cause that's gotta get awkward for the people around you.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 2:16 p.m. CST

    OK Ratner apologists, you need to step up

    by IndustryKiller!

    And actually explain Ratners gifts as a filmmaker. WHat is it that makes him qualified for this film. We've explain over and over and over and over in excruciating detail why we don't like him and not a single fucking person has done that for the other side. You sit there and scream "hater" (where the fuck did that word come from anyway?) completely unjustifiably and some of you even piss and moan like you feel bad for a millionaire with no talent. If you read this talkback it really looks like completely logical people with a well thought out argument versus a gaggle of complete fucking morons (insert juvenile joke about who is who here). If you want to comment you have to have something specific to say. Not just profess your love for garbage.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 2:25 p.m. CST

    X3 best of series, easy

    by wilsonfisk89

    1 was alright, a little slight in scope, with the whole, 'lets hurry up and get to the top of the Statue of Liberty' finale. Two was a pretty faithful adaptation of source material, with a good story, good effects, and it played sort of like a double issue, or story arc. Three, like I said previously was an abortion. Deaths that were out of no where, as well as out of cannon, and a quick/slight sort of pacing that functioned to disservice what could have been a great film, in that way it reminded me of T3. It was a flashy, soulless piece of garbage.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 2:35 p.m. CST

    bringsexyback - sort your life out

    by Spoiler_Man

    who writes a message about pulling another guys pubes out? get a life, sexyback you big gay. but then, you are named after a justin timberlake song. what a douche!

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Is Animal Structure officially retarded?

    by Tourist

    Miami Vice...Too...Sophisticated? Am I missing the sarcasm? Your talking about that lazy attempt at a male scent commercial being fucked by an action film right? The one where the cinematographer couldn't remember what settings he put into his handycam? Sure...The trailer park looked cool...But that was a fucking mega fail of a film on every level. Jesus, what about the douche bad guy with the funny glasses? God, I'm no Michael Mann fan, but if it hadn't been so fucking boring, it might have been so bad it was funny.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 2:40 p.m. CST

    ThePilgrim...

    by Tourist

    ...I'm the fucking customer, thats who. The studio wants my business. So I can say whatever the fuck I want about them hiring someone who will ensure I won't bother buying their product. Not that it matters, because people like you will buy what they're told.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 3:11 p.m. CST

    WTF!!!

    by Fortunesfool

    Whats with the lack of love for Miami Vice? That movie was so cool the dialogue consisted of 'glares'. It was a mood film and you just had to soak it up. Of course, if you were expecting a mindless action flick, then i'm glad it disappointed you.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 3:26 p.m. CST

    I was pissed when--

    by ClockWorker

    I learned ratner was doing x3 and even more so after seeing the movie. those feelings are coming back and it sux

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 3:27 p.m. CST

    You haven't been reading very well, IndustryKiller

    by jimmay

    The defense of Ratner is that he's "adequate" and "competent", downright "decent." What more could you want, a "good" director? Some "talent"? God forbid. We all know millionaire directors deserve gratuitous paychecks for phoning it in, and quality is overrated.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Sorry Jimmay, you're right.

    by IndustryKiller!

    I'm just gonna...uhh...go over...here...or something *sulks and puts his dunce cap back on*

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 3:51 p.m. CST

    finky

    by ArcadianDS

    if you think the opinions here are unadulterated, then you should start asking Harry where all his negative reviews are. By his own admission, if movie doesn't excite him, he doesn't write about it.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Eh, ArcadianDS, you have a very valid point

    by finky089

    I was really directing that comment to those who get pissed everytime Harry raves about "some schlock" or goes off on someone like the Rat.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Fortunesfool

    by AnimalStructure

    At last, someone with some taste who isn't afriad to go against popular opinion. Don't ask me why the film doesn't get it's due. I think people wanted neon and white shoes and pink blazers and pet alligators or something. They actually got an adult, moody, atmospheric film. What a shame for them indeed.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Whoa typo, I meant X2 best of series

    by wilsonfisk89

    jeez, fruedian slip, perhaps my sub-conscience enjoys Ratner- scary

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Fuck you

    by ThePilgrim

    Losers.. Seriously, you need this place to piss and moan. What it was it aint no more. Used to be a cool place to see shit first. Too know things before the rest of the media outlets did. It still is sometimes, but Mori and Harry dip thier shit covered hands into these peoples lives, and literary ass rape them. The other Film Critics don't do this, and you might say thats what makes it ok, but you it isn't, and if you don't like it- then you ignore it, you dont beat it over the head. I mean i guess you saying you get to say what means that since your a consumer and you can't buy a benz you hav every right to walk up to one and kick the shit out of it. You all are haters. Every Great falls, and ever Failure suceeds. You not a concumer until you pay. So if this news really bothers you- You don;t pay- Thats how you vote. This remake will never be the original so get over it!

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 4:39 p.m. CST

    IndustryKiller!

    by AnimalStructure

    At last! You address at least some of my points regarding Heat. You completely gloss over them cause you know I am right, but I appreciate your attempt. Again, explain why Neil's crew needs Waingro yet doesn't meet him till the day of the heist? You forgot about that point. And hey, if you think Amy Brenneman's face deserves to be on the silver screen, I question your sexuality. Diane Venora? Great actress right? She gets so much work I can't even keep track. Ahsley Judd? Real Oscar worthy actress there. And your lame defense of the Kilmer sequence as character development is laughable. So it's okay for you to have scenes and sequences that make no sense whatsoever as long as we get a character moment? Yeah, okay, and you're the guy who knows better about film and acting than me? Please. And as far as DiCaprio being Liberal, what the fuck does that have to do with it. My favorite director of all time was an extreme Leftist, Robert Altman. I love Alec Baldwin, also a big time Liberal. I love film, I don't care about politics when it comes to shit like that. I liked DiCaprio when he was younger and could actually act. Now he's just a former child actor relying on his bad technique he picked up as a kid and that works when you're a kid. <p> But please go right ahead and keep defending The Departed as genius filmmaking. It says way more than I ever could about how little you know of good filmmaking. You see, I like art, you like mainstream Hollywood pap. The Departed is an insult to Scorsese's great career. With each new film he is wrecking his reputation as a master filmmaker. It is nowhere near in quality or depth to something like Short Cuts, or Leaving Las Vegas, or The Last Temptation of Christ, or Naked, or Cronenberg's Crash. Those are examples of great films. The Departed is an example of contrived bullshit plot twists substituting for real drama and real emotion. Sorry, but it's true. It's also true you know nothing and think your opinion is fact.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 4:41 p.m. CST

    by ThePilgrim

    Losers.. Seriously, you need this place to piss and moan. What it was, it aint no more. Used to be a cool place to see shit first. Too know things, before the rest of the media outlets did. It still is sometimes, but Mori and Harry dip thier shit covered hands into these peoples lives, and literary ass rape them. The other Film Critics don't do this, and you might say thats what makes it ok, but you know it isn't ok, and if you don't like it- then you ignore it, you don't beat it over the head. I mean I guess your saying you get to say and do what you want, means that since your a consumer and you can't buy a benz. You have every right to walk up to one and kick the shit out of it. You all are haters. Every Great falls, and ever Failure suceeds. Your not a consumer until you pay. So if this news really bothers you- You don't pay- Thats how you vote. This remake will never be the original, so get over it!

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 4:43 p.m. CST

    ThePilgrim

    by AnimalStructure

    Aside from your butchering of the English language, you make valid points. Expect them to be ignored or ridiculed.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 5:27 p.m. CST

    the pilgrim

    by half vader

    I don't think you know what the word 'literally' (sorry, 'literary') means. Even funnier when you're so self-righteous about it! Never thought I'd agree with Animal, but there it is.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 5:34 p.m. CST

    The word 'hater' is officially now meaningless.

    by jimmay

    I'll admit I used to use it when defending George Lucas against hyperbolic criticism (i.e. "raped my childhood") but even then, I was reacting against overly-inflamed exaggeration, not the criticism itself. And I do see that same hyperbole here, but I also realize it just underscores how strongly some people feel about the situation. Bottom line: I agree with Harry. If that makes me a 'hater' so be it.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 5:50 p.m. CST

    I'm sure Ratner would appreciate your support, Ratfans

    by half vader

    Talk about a textbook example of damning with faint praise. And the backhanded compliment, come to think of it.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Krack...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... I know there are aliens in the film. I've read the script. But there aren't CE3K aliens in the script, and that's what I said is a stupid rumor. And, yes, I'd heard it before you brought it up. I just didn't realize anyone actually believed it.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Once again with the platitudes animal

    by IndustryKiller!

    Always ending with the platitudes. I also notice you pepper them throughout after every point you make. It's really weird and narcissistic. I also never said the Kilmer thing doesn't make sense. I said that I can see how it bothers you. Don't take a mile when I give you an inch chief. I think int he context of the scene it does make sense, it's not completely iron clad justified, but it makes sense. Plus it adds a dimension to those characters relationship. DO I wish Mann had written it a little more carefully? Yeah, but as it stands I can deal with it. As for meeting Waingrow the day of the job, they took someone on their word and got fucked for it. I really don't think it goes any deeper than that. That's not glossing over an argument, it's just very very simple. As for the actors, you don't talk about what you don't like about them you only take cheap shots at their career. What YOU don't address is how the reltionship between Pacino and De Niro elevates the film beyond anything in Miami Vice, which is about as straightforward cop drama. And if you think Colin Farrell is excellent in that film, with the constantly back and forth accent and forced machismo (see how EXAMPLES work Animal?), then you are the one who needs a lesson on acting. As for DiCaprio and Scorcese, once again I'm not seeing where your points are. Scorcese's career is different than it used to be sure. He dabbles in much more epic filmmaking. But even his failures (Gangs of New York) are incredibly interesting movies. If you don't like the films he makes now that is fine, but what he is doing he is doing incredibly well and you are literally the only guy who disagrees with that. And you haven't given any reasons why you think otherwise only screaming at the heavens about a guy everyone else in the world agrees is still a genius. Ditto with Dicaprio. His performances in Blood Diamond, The Departed, The Aviator, Catch Me If You Can, Romeo & Juliet, and The Basketball Diaries are all widely regarded as being phenomenal and all were done in his adult life. Now I'm not going to sit here and give you an acting lesson so I'll just ask you to find me any other source on Earth besides yourself who disputes this or tell me, in detail, why you don't think his acting is strong.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Also Pilgrim and Animal

    by IndustryKiller!

    Pilgrim Mori and Harry LITERALLY ass raped someone??? OMG! You should really alert the authorities. And Animal the height of hypocrisy on this talkback was reached when you exclaimed "I like art not Hollywood pap!" right after posting how much you loved X3. Brilliant!

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Pathetic, childish rant

    by Bronx Cheer

    This vindictive, childish, petty, and irrelevant rant by Harry makes me embarrassed for Harry. Did Ratner injure someone you know, Harry? Did he wrong you in some horrible way? Because if he did, then settle it with him like a man instead of sniping at him via AICN. However, if you profess to know a thing about this business, then you might understand that Universal has every right and reason to put a bankable director in charge of a film they are producing, for this is a business. Ratner directs profitable films. I dig that many of you are geeks for films, but if you truly are, you should find some time to reconcile the facts of the business with the accidental art that comes from the enterprise. Or not. Do whatever you want. But don't expect anyone to take you seriously.</p> <p>Oh, but PLEASE, don't let anyone shit on your precious Wolfman!

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Bronxcheer

    by IndustryKiller!

    I live in LA. Just about everyone you meet here works in some capacity within the business. Myself included. If you live in LA and are or trying to be in entertainment it's drilled into your head that it is, in fact, a business. So I'm well aware and I'm telling you that all of that is completely irrelevant to the fact that Brett Ratner is a bad director and if he directed this it would be a bad movie. Harry isn't denying Universals right to do anything. He's making an open plea, as someone who gets heard in some capacity, for something he cares about. If you can't understand that then you are the pathetic one. Not only that but maybe you are frequenting the wrong site.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Ratner-ites act like they sound

    by Uncle Duke

    I mean seriously, you guys are passionate about Ratner? Brett Ratner? Money Talks, Rush Hour 1-3, Brett Ratner? The dude isn't an abortion, but he ain't anyone to idolize either. And what harry was talking about was the honor in which Universal is handling the reintroduction of the classic monsters.

  • Feb. 2, 2008, 1:40 a.m. CST

    Count me out.

    by mang0ld

    Of course I love the original and the mythology and Del Toro, Sir Hopkins and Blunt,.. but this production is not interesting to me. Top heavy. When an actor's manager is also the producer, its best to steer clear unless you are happy being a puppet.

  • Feb. 2, 2008, 2:54 a.m. CST

    WHAT?

    by travis-dane

    MANDOLD!turns an movie down in an TB!?!?COOL!

  • Feb. 2, 2008, 3:11 a.m. CST

    Well good for James Mangold....no really

    by IndustryKiller!

    First of all...WTF?? Did James Mangold really just post here or is someone pulling our crank? I guess that shuts people who say no one important reads this site right the fuck up. Second of all good on 'im. Sounds like an excellent reason not to do a film and I got nothin but respect for that. Brett Ratner on the other hand would have no problem whatsoever being a puppet. If Del Toros manager is producing and making any potential director his puppet maybe there is more to Romanek dropping out than we initially thought.

  • Feb. 2, 2008, 3:17 a.m. CST

    That...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... really is Mangold. He's posted here many times in the past.

  • Feb. 2, 2008, 4:21 a.m. CST

    Fuck you, Ratner is just fine.

    by gottaeat

    First of all, wolfman is a terrible movie. you remember it being good because you were freaking 9 when you saw it. but anyway, I liked the nicholas cage christmas movie ratner did, and I thought that red dragon was good. Give the guy a break.

  • Feb. 2, 2008, 5:01 a.m. CST

    re Miami Vice

    by DocPazuzu

    I forgot which reviewer said it, but it's the best and most accurate review of a movie ever: <p> "Watching Michael Mann's Miami Vice is like watching one of the world's greatest chefs boiling a hot dog."

  • Feb. 2, 2008, 5:43 a.m. CST

    I still cry myself to sleep once in awhile...

    by samsquanch

    thinking of the tragic mess that was X3....

  • Feb. 2, 2008, 5:55 a.m. CST

    I liked Miami Vice........

    by travis-dane

    thats all.

  • Feb. 2, 2008, 7:07 a.m. CST

    You had me at "Ralph Fiennes eats a painting"

    by Stuntcock Mike

    I've never seen any of the Rush Hour films. Chris Tucker is fingers on the chalkboard annoying. X3? It was o.k. but the last 15 minutes or so were ridiculoso. Ratner seems to be the kind of director who would be right at home doing direct-to-dvd stuff. With Grace Jones.

  • Feb. 2, 2008, 7:11 a.m. CST

    Y'know what? Scorsese should post here.

    by Stuntcock Mike

    It'd be these server-melting posts that would take 45 minutes to read. One can dream.

  • Feb. 2, 2008, 7:18 a.m. CST

    JAMES MANGOLD

    by BringingSexyBack

    Don't want to appear to be kissing your mannuggets but I do wanna say I loved 3:10 to Yuma, plotholes and all (really unavoidable considering the original story, and more than compensated for by the performances and storytelling). Sure, Crowe and Bale were great as expected but you did wonders with Ben Foster. I couldn't believe that was the same droop-faced Angel from X3. I hope you give him more future roles - he's a star.

  • Feb. 2, 2008, 10:14 a.m. CST

    to all who hate x3.

    by RustyStardust

    while i personally enjoyed the film, i definitely see the flaws in it. it wasn't a satisfactory conclusion to the series. but, the real problem was the script. that is why singer left, and why vaughn couldn't pull it off. the shooting script was lousy. but, to me, the final product was enjoyable enough as a stand alone film. do i wish the producers had spent more time getting the script in shape? yes. do i hate the film? no. ratner isn't the one to blame. he did his best with what he was given. and, the extremely short period of time he was given to do it in. however, to all of you ranters out there, you have still never answered these fundamental questions: what about 'superman returns' and 'fantastic four 2'? i hear a lot of bitching and moaning over x3, but nothing about those bloated time wasters that completely destroyed their franchises. and, singer gets all the love around here (which he mostly deserves), but he ruined superman. and, he had all the time in the world to create his vision. he wasn't sandbagged to a terrible script and tiny time frame. he was givin' free reign, and he screwed the pooch. he gave us a clark kent everyone hates. who spies on lois lane. he gave us the worst lois lane is film history. he gave us a ludicrous baby sub-plot that painted the series in a corner. he gave us the lamest villian's plot EVER. he wasted kal penn and parker posey. and, just ruined and misunderstood the entire mythology of superman. so much so, the entire future of the superman film series is in jeopardy. x3, on the other hand, was enough of a success that we will continue to get good stories from that world. now, let's talk 'fantastic four 2'. why aren't you rabid fanboys more up in arms over that train wreck?! a goofy, dancing mr. fantastic?!! with oxford shirts that stretch with his arms?!! an 'entertainment tonight' style wedding?!! papparazzi chasing the team all over town like britney spears?!! an 'invisible woman' who cares more about her wedding than saving the world?!! i'm just saying- 'superman returns' and 'fantastic four' are three terrible films, that ruined any hope for good future films, that get love on this site; yet, there's an endless parade of nerd hate for X3 and ratner. don't you see how unbalanced that is? anyway, i thought i'd top this sundae off with a cherry: http://tinyurl.com/yowaua seems variety is reporting, as of yesterday, that ratner is the front runner to take over 'wolfman'. god, i hope that happens. i don't really care about the film, i just wanna see you geeks have epeleptic spasms for the next eight months...

  • Feb. 2, 2008, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Yeah, Superman Returns was poop.

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Instantly forgettable.

  • Feb. 2, 2008, 10:54 a.m. CST

    IndustryKiller!

    by AnimalStructure

    Um, I never said I loved X3, I said it was entertaining. I don't own that or any other X film, ditto on Spider-Man. But if X3 is on cable and I'm loafing around, it passes the time well, unlike the other two X films which can be quite boring. Bryan Singer is no better than Ratner as a director. Ratner is better at epic action, Singer better with character moments, but both are weak as hell. <p> I like hoe you say DiCaprio is generally regarded as not a good actor, not a great actor, but a PHENOMENAL actor! I don't know what kind of "general" people you know, but NO ONE I have ever come across has shown such unrequited man love towards DiCaprio. And you dare talk about Farrell having a shifting accent? I mean, he doesn't, but you said it, so.... Then you go on to praise the phenomenal DiCaprio. Did you watch Gangs of NY? Departed? Blood Diamond? In each of those three films DiCaprio goes in and out of his character's accent from scene to scene. Sometimes he's Irish sometimes he's not. Sometimes he's from Boston sometimes he ain't. Sometimes he is South African or whatever that ridiculous accent was he had in Blood Diamond and sometimes he ain't. Wow, you got some balls saying another actor stinks in a role because of shifting accents. Not only is it not true about Farrell, but the dude whose cock you been sucking IS THE WORST WHEN IT COMES TO ACCENTS! God you are the fucking worst. <p> And Scrosese has gone into more epic filmmaking? Dude, can you please just tell me how old you are? Were you old enough to see Taxi Driver and Raging Bull in a theater? How about Last Temptation? Scorsese used to make challenging, fantastic films, now all he makes is slick Hollywood product that could be DIRECTED BY ANYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN! He's lost his touch. Doesn't matter if you don't believe it. Look at the awful, clean bright cinematography in The Departed. It looks like total TV shit, awful. Insane that the same man who showed so much talent in his early career has fallen so far off the deep end of commercial shit filmmaking. But like I said, if I was 16 like you seem to be, I'd probably love DiCaprio and still think Scorsese was a great filmmaker. But I'm an adult, so I don't.

  • Feb. 2, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST

    IK! - Cronenberg, Altman, Mann

    by AnimalStructure

    Those two are examples of great directors that have 30+ years of filmmaking under their belts yet still maintained their vision. Sure they had some clunkers, and no, I am not of the opinion that a shitty movie by a great director is still better than blah blah blah. But their consistency shows through. Cronenberg actually got better throughout the 80's. Crash is a brilliant film. Dead Ringers, The Fly, The Brood, eXistenZ, Spider, Eastern Promises. You can see a personality, a style, a certain command of the medium, different from anyone else, even though all the films are so different. Same with Altman and Mann. Scorsese used to be like that. Then he decided popularity and Oscars and box office were more important than making compelling, vital films. And that's cool if he wants to do that, I don't begrudge him at all. But I also won't sit here and create this fantasy that Scorsese is operating on the same level as 20 years ago, 30 years ago. Far far far from it. His casting bears it out. DeNiro, or DiCaprio......hmmmm. Exactly. Cape Fear was the last great Scorsese film, amazing considering the subject matter. Scorsese still gave a shit back then. The acting between Nolte and Lange is so fucking real it's almost embarrassing to watch. THAT'S great acting you fucking twat, not some shitty child actor(and LD was good as a kid)turned quasi adult who screams "... gonna feed me to the paw!" <p> You calling DiCaprio a PHENOMENAL actor disqualifies all your opinions on film, like you guys say my love of Miami Vice over Heat disqualifies mine. And just for the record, the best Mann movie is Thief. Thief is miles better than Heat. Does that make me an idiot as well?

  • Feb. 2, 2008, 11:46 a.m. CST

    animal structure...

    by RustyStardust

    while i appreciate your passion and opinion- frankly you are wrong about scorscese. the man is the greatest living american filmmaker. period. not only does he continue to be a wealth of film knowledge and inspiration to every other living filmmaker; he's also the world's premiere film archivist. the man cares about film. he also just did a killer follow up doc with the rolling stones. i won't even get into a discussion with you on his last three films, which i love tremendously (no one else could pull off 'the aviator', regardless of your simplistic 'anyone with a half brain' argument). you have your opinion, and that's cool. but, seriously, cut the man some slack. he's a powerhouse and deserves endless respect for reminding everyone else in the industry what film is truly capable of...

  • Feb. 2, 2008, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Yet another retort animalstructure

    by IndustryKiller!

    Well you certainly love X3 enough to spend a giant talkback defending it's director. In my estimation that is a lot of love. Either that or you are merely a contrarian. And if you think that the final battle in X3 is well directed action, with it's hilarious wire work, clearly shot on a sound stage cheapo look, and bad choreography then maybe you should take a film class to go with the acting classes. First of all I would like to say I like ALtman, Cronenberg, and Michael Mann. I probably liked Miami Vice more than most. I thought it was a well directed taught cop drama. But unfortunately it was nothing more than a very solid film. There just isn't enough meat to go with the fast paced plot. And unlike the Departed you never get to know your protagonists. And If you can't hear Farrells sometimes southern sometimes not accent then you are deaf. That's all I can really tell you about that. As for Leonardo Dicaprio, maybe you need to get out more if you don't meet anyone who thinks he's a good actor. Or watch the Oscars at any given year. The guy is 31 years old and he's been nominated four times. You can say the Oscars goof, but a four time nominee is no joke and it constitutes as a phenom. Ergo I use the word phenomenal. As for his accent, notice how I didn't put Gangs of New York on my list of his great performances. That's because he is horribly miscast in that film and his accent is, in fact, constantly back and forth. When I talk about Colin Farrell in Miami Vice I'm not making any judgements on his talent as a whole though, I actually quite like the guy, just his performance in that one film. As for Dicaprio in Blood Diamond. I know South African people, and that is what they sound like. There are websites where you can listen to accents from all over the world, check em out and learn something. The Academy, once again, agrees with me. As for his performance in The Departed, you're picking an argument with the wrong guy. I grew up on the border of Massachussetts, Worcester is my home away from home, a very good friend of mine in LA is a writer from Dorchester (or Dawchestah as he would say), I've spent plenty of time in Boston. I know what the fuck I'm talking about when I say his accent in that movie is solid. As for Scorcese, once again you seem to stand alone. No one else on this website or anywhere else thinks Scorcese sucks, and the only evidence you state is that it seems you think the quality of his film stock is too high. Do I think The Departed is Scorceses best film? Nope. But in it's genre it stands at the top and it's an excellent film in his filmography. I can appreciate it when a director does something different. Scorcese himself described the Departed as his "B-movie",and I agree. It just happens to be one of the best b-movie, cops vs. robbers, good guys vs. bad guys, modern western, shoot em' ups ever made. And it has incredibly in depth characters to boot. It's also beautifully shot and well paced. The cinematography is clean and bright in Zodiac as well, even more so than The Departed, do you think that's a horribly directed film too? You seem to take offense that Scorceses best films were made in the past. Well you said Michael Mann's best film is Thief and that was made in 1981. I guess Mann is just as bad as Scorcese if you're measuring with that scale. I did want to confirm one thing you said though. Actually two. I Am in fact 16 years old, well at least I will be in a month, and I do regularly give Leonardo DiCaprio blowjobs. What can I say he pays the cash moneyz.

  • Feb. 2, 2008, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Dear Universal,

    by Bronx Cheer

    Please don't make any more bad movies. Ever. Thank you.</p> <p>If you want to make an open plea, why not go for the whole enchilada instead if one single piece of cheese baked on the edge of the dish?

  • Feb. 2, 2008, 9:16 p.m. CST

    "If you don't have anything nice to say..."

    by Dr. Hfuhruhurr

    Let's see how far not following Grandma's rule gets you with your girlfriend, spouse, boss, teachers, coworkers, etc. Try it!

  • Feb. 3, 2008, 10:50 a.m. CST

    DAMMIT, HARRY, RATNER WON'T MAKE THE WOLFMAN DANCE DISCO!

    by MrMysteryGuest

    And I liked "X3"!

  • Feb. 3, 2008, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Neil Jordan would be great.

    by Bellock

    His "Interview with the vampire" was a great reinterpretation of the vampire mythology.

  • Feb. 3, 2008, 1:40 p.m. CST

    3:10 to Yuma

    by DonnieDorko

    Was really good despite the fact that the only character not being a backstabbing bastard was Ben Foster's loyal determined character... He didn't deserve that! And the Lucky Luke horse-whistle at the end was a bit much. An anti-hero can't be too much of a saint neither. But it sure had a rare good western-feel the entire movie and made me want more. But X1 is still best in the X-men series and X2 is the worst, don't kid yourself into having predetermined opinions about movies because of pride or director-hate/fandom, let the movies prove themselves. and X2 sucked. Just like Guillermo del Toro killed Blade, you all know it deep inside. It doesn't make Ratner a first choice for Wolfman but there sure are worse ideas. Some people even suggests Eli Roth!!!! That's truly ridiculous.

  • Feb. 3, 2008, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Well...

    by DonnieDorko

    I realize I'm not really in a position to write this.. But to get shit from DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD can't be too bad. It's almost like a double negation.

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