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Indiana Jones Is Holding His Bazooka...
Merrick here...
Or, is that an RPG? Are they the same thing?
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Temple Of Poop...... Start it off right away!!!!!!!!!!
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With full John Williams score
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I'm listening to the Kevin and Bean show which is why that phrase came to mind.
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I love the old guy Indiana titles.
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Jan 30, 2008 9:09:56 AM CST
I came to see the bazooka then came again seeing Karen Allen
by lettersoftransit
She still looks pretty damn cute
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"closest to the third one (Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade)." - Frank Marshall, Producer. Fuck and fuck and shit and fuck.
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What the hell does that mean? Get you laid?
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Hehehe.... I've got a few Role Playing Games I'd like to play with Karen Allen and my Bazooka.
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...soon to be hijacked talkback.
Aliens, leprechauns and Coolio - come on down! -
In on the action. That's all I gotta see. Can't wait.
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that's going on right now in the Meet the Spartans TB
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I hated whenever they turned both Brody and Salah into buffoonish oafs in "Last Crusade".
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Its an RPG. I've shot one.
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Shia: "Dad, will I have a bazooka that big one day too?" Indy: "Maybe, but if yours is bigger than mine...I'll kill ya."
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I smell a facelift on this picture.
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Or are we all just happy to see Karen Allen? Please let there be a Sean Connery cameo at the end.
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Uh-oh. "Tonally close" to the below-bar Crusade? Well, that's the nail in the coffin. This movie was already a bad idea, but the more I hear about it, the worse it gets. It reminds me of the period before the release of The Phantom Menace - the few pieces of information that were coming out made me feel something was wrong. Looks like the same is going to happen to Crystal Skull. And seriously, if Lucas is "happy" with the script - then we all need to be very worried.
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My first talkback typo...
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My worst fears for this sound like they've been realised. Crusde, while fun, is still the weakest Indy by far. This does not bode well. I bet there's shades of Indy becoming Henry Jones Snr and passing the cool torch to Shia's character. I was hoping for a return to the darker tone of Raiders/Doom rather than the comic book caper of the third. Ah well, a weak Indy is better than none at all. I think.
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I think his whole "retirement" was legit, but I wouldn't put it past Speilberg to coax him into making an appearance. This would explain why there's such secrecy on the set.
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What the hell, may as well join in...
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Though I will point out that there is a bear reference in here thanks to Merriman....heh-heh.I can't wait to see a trailer.
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Just because the tone is similar to Crusade doesn't neccesarily mean it will be the weakest. I did like the humor in Crusade, and those of you who thought Sallah and Marcus were serious characters from the get-go need to go back and re-watch Raiders. Okay, maybe Marcus wasn't.
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Closest to Last Crusade? That's not a good thing. Last Crusade was fucking goofy.
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Sucked ass. Kate Capshaw was hot but soooooo fucking annoying. And Shortround hsould have died in the first 5 minutes! Docta Jones, Docta Jones my ass!
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Sucked ass. Kate Capshaw was hot but soooooo fucking annoying. And Shortround hsould have died in the first 5 minutes! Docta Jones, Docta Jones my ass!
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And is that David Faustino riding shotgun?
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You'll notice Empire doesn't report that Marshall "enthusiastically" compared it to The Last Crusade. he just compares it, tonally, to The Last Crusade. Maybe we should be thanking him for the heads up there. I mean, it's not like he isn't trying to warn people! (Marshall stared blankly out of the window, bleary eyed and in need of a good shave. "Tonally" he begins, "It's closer to the third one. And wasn't THAT a complete shitfest...")
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Shit... You mean closer to "A Mad Mad Mad World" than "Raiders"... Shit... No more Sean Connery and his Junior jokes... Please... Of course I'll see it anyway, but... "I've got a bad feeling about this"...
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But my hope is that Spielberg still has enough movie sense to save this one. Gotta admit...I'm not so excited about the alien element, but this is still my most anticipated movie of 2008. (Over Hulk, CJ7, Wall-E, Dark Knight, and Iron Man)
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I'm convinced he was shitfaced during all of Crusade. And Sallah had a couple comic relief moments in Raiders but he was like an Arab Step n' Fetchit. Even Indy was a buffoon in Crusade. That movie even managed to make Sean Connery uncool.
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the more I look at that pic and read the Marshall comment. As Merriman Lyon says, this has shades of phantom menace all over it. I have a bad feeling about this.
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I love AICN more than any other site but there isn't as much 'new' news as other sites. Is AICN as important than it was in 2000. I say no. Still love the site though.
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Marion driving the boys is nice. Putting that big phallic thing next to her and in front of Indy seems like a cool thing. And I don't mind the "whooaa, be careful with that, Jones" expression on Shia's face either.
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I really don't see him caving into the Lucas. I might not be on par with raiders but i'm sure it will be tons o fun.
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did they ever cast shia?
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Think there will be one during the super bowl?
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Artists get old and lose their focus and intensity. It happened with Lucas. It happened with Coppala. It's happened with Speilberg (lest we forget the nadir of "The Terminal"). "Crystal Skull" was bound to be warmed over "Crusade." Let's just hope its not a completely broad comedy, as certain of the stills from the production suggest.
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The Terminal is hardly something to judge Spielberg on. The man is the most successful filmmaker of all time, a dud here or there is not really something to complain about. He has been getting back on top his game. War of the Worlds while not the best movie ever is alot of fun and fucking Munich is a masterpiece.
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Me, I prefer LAST CRUSADE to TEMPLE OF DOOM, so as long as as CRYSTAL SKULL is in the ballpark of the third film, I'll be happy.
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Is this TB pedo joke friendly?
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Didnt have razors in the 50's? Or is this a big fuck you dad! We get it. Your 21. Shave mudda fuckah. OO===D ~o Shia 08
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next time just say something along the lines of "it's more like Raiders" just like Koepp and Lucas have done it earlier. Saying it will be like Temple Of Doom is most likely considered a taboo, but Last Crusade isn't such a safe thing either, so just lie! Just make something up that will spare us all the "oh nooo, it's gonna be like Last Crusade, Marshall said it, he said it, there it is" whining.
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you have the sidekick in Shia (LaBeouf), but you don't have a Short Round and I think the banter between the characters is as fun as it was in the third movie".
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Its shit that it closer to Last Crusade as I thought it was by far the weakest....Bit the douchebags at Empire arguing over which one was the best, Raiders or Last Crusade, WTF!!!..The way to settle that idiotic arguement is to ask yourself if Crusade had been made first, would we now be seeing the fourth film in the franchise?
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Damnit its not working! Shia lemme borrow some of your hair gel. No hands off, its mine! Stop. Let go your hurting me. Enough! GET OFF MY PENIS PUMP!
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Ryan Gosling would've been a better son to Indy. And look the damned part.
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You've got to admit some of Sallah and Marcus's comedy relief in "Crusade" is really funny.
Like when Indy builds up Marcus like some kind of cultural chameleon and it cuts to him bumbling around asking if any one speaks latin. Or when Sallah says "They're in the belly of that iron beast" and Indy gives him that I-can't-believe-you-just-fucking-said-that-out-loud look.
"I WAS the next man!" makes me laugh every time.
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it's a photo of mom and dad Jones driving little Shia to school.
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One of the greatest sidekicks ever. You remember every one of his lines, don't you? Damn you Frank Marshall.
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Spielberg directed two movies where a character complained of not having spit. Weird piece of trivia.
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I heard he has a job as an engineer....on the Midnight Meat Train. "We wunning wate! No time foh love!"
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Now remember Shia. If anyone says anything to you about The Disney Channel or Transformers Ill fucking blow them up. Thanks dad. Ok did you get your lunch? Yes daddy. Ok go get em sport. PS Unky Speilberg wants to know if you are still down with wrestling practice after school today? Umm sure. But can you ask him to shave this time?
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Last Crusade, Sallah suffering from poor writing. If I want bad comic relief, I'll send a check to Robin/Woopie/Billy. Ah Venice, yeah that was brilliant!!!
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Jan 30, 2008 10:13:09 AM CST
Ugh, like Last Crusade aka goofy and not really serious...
by iamjack'suserid
...laced with Jar-Jar-esque slapstick and pretty bad dialogue. Shia = New Jar Jar. Whoever said that Marcus and Sallah had been relegated to mere comedic relief was right. There should be no "battle" between which is better; Raiders wins hands down.
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Deleted scene from TOD:
"No time for love Doctor Jones!"
"For some of that rice queen rump of yours I'll make time."
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The first is Jaws--Dreyfuss as Hooper with the mask in the shark cage. But what's the other?
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useless bunch of cocksuckers. I'm sick of writing about how shit they are. Standard Empire review: "The latest summer blockbuster from the master of action (INSERT NAME HERE) is so off the scale brilliant that I exploded in my trousers. Staggering, magical film-making perfection on every level" 19*
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Why no love? I fucking love that kid.
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http://tinyurl.com/3xlj2u
>>In other words, may god have mercy on your soul if “Crystal Skulls” is merely passable.
How to make sure it’s so much more? It’s the penitent man who passes in the Indy universe, and for Koepp that means genuflecting before the altar of “Raiders of the Lost Ark,” the film in the series he says “Crystal Skulls” most resembles.
“I hope it’s along the lines of the first one,” he said. “It’s certainly not as dark as the second one and it’s certainly not as humor driven as the third one. Hopefully it will have its own place [but] it’s closest to [’Raiders’].”
Koepp’s statement of tone echoes what George Lucas told MTV News two months ago, when the maestro detailed how, in his mind, “Skulls” consciously harkened back to “Raiders.”
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It's nothing but mesa good laughs as Jar Jar Binks and Short Round team up to stop a gang of bombad thieves from pillaging a muey old temple. "You was banished cause you was clumsy? Ha ha ha (points finger) funny, funny! Ha ha!"
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I called Shorty one of the greatest sidekicks ever. Marshall dissed him with that stupid remark.
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...on Paramount Blu-Ray Disc!! ;-)
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I loved Short Round...when the bad guy slapped him to the floor. Ha ha ha, that's funny funny! Ha ha ha! My bloody face all WET! Ha ha!
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'50s to late 60s American pop culture.
The metallic pins on the leather jacket = spot on authentic.
The sideburns = spot on authentic.
The cuffed jeans = spot on authentic
Some of you posting in this thread are imbeciles who just want something to complain about. Good luck with that, but stick with things you have some knowledge about.
Like the fact that Marion's shirt is all wrong - it looks like something a woman would wear in the late 70s to early 80s. They botched her wardrobe (at least in that shot). For her age and in that time period, she should be in short sleeves not a rolled up man's shirt. And the vest is just flat-out silly. Women wearing men's clothing was far from 'fasionable' and about 20 years further into the future. -
Judging from Marshall's remarks, I think the banter in Crystal Skull is gonna be grizzly.
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Jan 30, 2008 10:20:52 AM CST
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT METALLIC PINS AND CUFFS BUT I DO KNOW
by bringingsexyback
Shia = spot on gay
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Who would win in a fight Short Round or Data from the Goonies?
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Women weren't allowed to drive in the 50s.
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You mean grisly as in, "terrible" dialogue? Or were you reading the other TB (Massawyrms Spartan review) about bear stuff?
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I would say that Data should, in theory, prevail over Short Round because he has gadgets. Problem is, the gadgets almost never work. So in reality Shorty would win with a karate-kid style crane kick to Data's face.
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It was a play on a bear reference. Unfortunately I know dick about Pooh otherwise I'd join you guys in there.
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Yeah, and why isn't Marion wearing an apron?
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I can't argue with you on that point ("shia= spot on gay"), because you are already established as our local expert on ATBG (All Things Being Gay). My own expertise on this subject is limited to watching each season of Survivor and Amazing Race. The extent of my understanding of 'Gay' is that its all about being the most important person in the room. Oh and pizzazz. Its all about the sparkly pizzazz.
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Jan 30, 2008 10:32:16 AM CST
Batman Vs Chuck Norris: The Greatest Battle of all Time!
by erichaislar
Batman responds to an alert from the JLA Watchtower on the Moon. Teleporting up, he finds his teammates are unconscious. Green Arrow's bow has been snapped. The Flash's kneecaps have been busted. Superman has a black eye. "Who could have done this?" the Batman wonders aloud.
Then he feels it. Someone is standing behind him!
"Tell you what, son," declared the voice. "You'd better know the truth of wrong from right!"
Batman drops down with a leg sweep, but the stranger is too quick. Catching a boot in his gut, Batman is sent flying through the air. He tried to fire his grappling hook but the tool is shot out of his hands. Batman hits the floor, then looks up. It's then that he sees his attacker: The Chuck Norris.
"Why?"
Norris tips his hat towards the Dark Night, "Just wanted to see how good y'all were. The answer: not very."
Anger shoots through Batman. Throwing himself at Chuck Norris, the two tussle in a battle of masters. At first it seems Batman might have the victory, but Norris trips his up with some Venusian Akido. Stumbling, Batman has no time to recover before his opponent whips out a fatal round-house kick to the back of his head.
Norris lands the killing blow... or tries to. For the first time ever, the hypothetical debates about the unstoppable force meeting the immovable object are realized in actuality. The mechanical underpinnings of the universe simply can't process Norris' boot heel striking Batman's face. Awesome can't beat Awesome because both are too Awesome. Reality shudders, then explodes in a flurry of badly Photoshopped effects and briefly glimpsed Elseworlds.
Batman and Chuck Norris find themselves tumbling through a void, locked in combat. Unchecked by a living universe, they struggle for an eternity and more. Both men's nigh-unlimited grit failing, each looks about for any possible advantage. Batman spots a shard of the universe passing through forever. He reaches out, grabs it, and smashes the shard into Norris' face. While no stranger to sharp edges, Chuck Norris is overwhelmed by the vision confronting him: scenes from his 1986 movie "Firewalker".
Norris howls, "Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!"
The strain is too much for the Texas Ranger. His terror ripples through the void that was once the universe, drawing the shattered fragments of that reality inwards. Norris' defeat resolves the standing intellectual conundrum, rebooting the universe. Everything returns to normal, expect there'll be a new Hawkman. Or three.
Batman finds himself back at the Watchtower. Norris, absorbed into the healing fabric of reality, is no more. The rest of the JLA is up and about, unaware of what has transpired. His great challenger defeated, the Dark Knight will sleep a little easier from now on. Not that he needs to sleep. He's the goddamn Batman. -
The heartwarming new animated adventure from Disney. Dick About Pooh. It's spring in the 100 acre wood, and Rabbit and Owl are rubbing each other's heffalumps up in a tree. Meanwhile, loveable old poo is wedged in a hole again, and Tigger's having fun shoving things into his anus.
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it was first introduced in 1961 so we're looking at Indy in the 60's. Well, early 60's. Really early 60's.
Maybe he meets JFK?
Just sayin'
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It is in Roswell.
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Jan 30, 2008 10:40:17 AM CST
Fuck this picture looks hardcore! Indy is gonna blow some shit u
by proman1984
Awesome!
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if Dr. Jones could meet Ward and June Cleaver, and he would secretly bone Mrs. Cleaver on the side? Because she was a HOT piece of 50s ass. She probably sucked Ward off every night. After making dinner and baking dessert and getting the boys to bed. All Ward had to do was sit in his chair, read the paper, smoke a pipe, and get his manly 50s dick sucked.
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I think the only reason that it is closer to Crusade is the Father-Son Adventure.
Plot-wise, this should be damn close to Raiders. Ark of the Covenant making an appearance? Indy manning a bazooka? Marion Ravenwood thrown into the mix?
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I watch Project Runway as a primer on all things gay. Not a straight man within 100 miles of this show. It's both fierce, and fabulous! And if you need a little female eye candy, Jillian Lewis is definitely a hottie.
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I'm getting so pumped for this flick. Indy looking pissed with a RPG, Marion driving and their son (?) looking amazed. So fucking there. And yes, maybe crusade was the weaker of the Trilogy but was still pretty good!
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True about the 50's hood stuff, but I think Marion is wearing some kind of field outfit, as in a dig of some sort.
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theres a bit of aged leslie neilson , schtick about harrison in most pictures..like hes become a parody of himself
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No, TomBodet likes Last Crusade as well.
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Ok first off, Crusade was the weakest of the 3 in some regards, I'll admit that -but that doesnt mean its a bad movie. Weak doesnt equal bad, its just not the same movie as Raiders or Temple. Each one is a dif. kind of tale about Indy, and each is a dif. style. It was a father/son story and that story was done well. Raiders was an old timey serial movie, Temple was the dark scary one and Crusade was a family story. We know Shia's his damn kid, so what did you expect? Of course it'll be another story dealing with father/son issues. But again, that doesnt mean the movies fucked or will necessarily be a retread of Crusade, but the father/son theme will obviously be present. Lets not start freaking out just yet. Besides, once Indy busts on screen for the first time in the costume and the Raiders theme swells in the background we're all gonna cream and you know it. And there have been touches of humor in all the Indy movies, not yuck yuck laugh out loud stuff, but its present. So I think the fear of it being super comedic is a little much. I agree that we might get a surprise Connery in this one if only for a moment. I bet something like his death is what brings Marion, Indy and co. all together at the start, then Indy reflects on the father/son thing and deals with his new found son. And despite all the cries of Shia being the next Indy I just cant see it happening. This is Indys final ride folks. Speilberg/Lucas wont go back to that universe for another dip and I doubt either would allow or want others to play in that sandbox. Ford wont be back thats a given, and as much as I hate to admit that Shia has grown on me as an actor I dont think hes strong enough to carry on the franchise (not that it should carry on past Indy 4 anyway -nobody wants to see a young Indy Jr. Jr. running around the 50's and 60's fighting commies and hippies) So we can relax and enjoy this last one. Lastly, while the alien/old b movie sci-fi vibe doesnt make me think of Indy right away I'm not entirely revolted by the idea either. Now trust me I have no love for Lucas so dont get me wrong here, but it makes a certain kind of sense to go that way for this one. The others were an homage to the old action and high adventures reels of yester-year, so it kinda fits to move onto the 50's and sci fi. We all love the other movies and whomping Nazi ass, etc. but we dont want to see the same thing all over. How those elements will play into the story nobody knows, but I do think despite the alien/scifi thing its possible to do it in a way that lets Indy be Indy and give the movie the things we all love about the other movies that makes them great (I mean Speilberg can do scifi folks). I think this will still be a good, fun flick.
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And have you seen the Freddy thread Doc? I can't believe the fucking temerity of Platinum Dunes
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Temple of Doom is the best Indy movie but they all rock.
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the character we know and love, or is he going to play the cynical old codger he's played in every movie? The brooding really worked in Fugitive, but now it's uncomfortable watch his spiteful roles. Maybe he just reminds me of my granddad, who sits around in his recliner all day, hitting the cat with his cane, and calling the fire department every time he farts.
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little bastard!Hope Harrison stick`s it in Shia`s ass and fires it up!
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...Sleezy Old Guy Wearing Ear Bling!
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so I'm looking forward to this one too. fuck all nay sayers, you'll still watch it regardless.
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Wow, that's a new one.
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that it might be closest in tone to Last Crusade is not a true Indy fan and should immediately fuck off straight to hell. I love al three movies, but isn't Temple of Doom widely considered to be the worst by the movie geeks? Besides if he said it tonally feels like Crusade then that's a good thing because judging by the poster it definitely has a Temple of Doom vibe somewhere, and Karen Allen's presence ties it to Raiders more than the other sequels. Btw, in case you didn't know, here's a little known fact. Producers like to say things that they believe will help to put the most amount of asses in the seats. Considering that Last Crusade by far made the most amount of money worldwide, I'm not surprised he'd say that.
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be an RPG. Bazookas load from the rear. RPG rounds are loaded into the front of the launcher. I don't know what the other difference are. I don't believe bazooka rounds have any self-propelling mechanism like an RPG round. Law rockets are one shot collapsable, disposables, and there's some other similar weapon. I used it in basic, but I forget the name.
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Crusade was by far the weakest of the three, it was lazy filmmaking from Spielberg. Some of the scenes look as though they haven't been properly rehearsed "Look around for the X" and others are just embarrassing (the Scottish Laird impersonation). The action sequences (especially the boat chase) are uninspired and the FX work shoddy. Some people might not like Short Round and Willie but the filmmaking in Temple is miles ahead of Crusade. Spielberg was still top of his game in 1984. It's going to eb fascinating to seee how Spielberg has directed this new one. Hopefully he's kept some of the hard edge from his more recent pictures and is not treating Skull like Crusade, as a big comedy-fest.
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Ho. Ho. Ho.
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adjusted for inflation by far.
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Guillermo Del Toro.
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Jan 30, 2008 11:28:00 AM CST
Ok I know I'll get flamed for this but here it goes.
by allpowerfulwizardofoz
You know when I heard about this movie being made I got excited. Real excited. A return of a hero from my childhood to the big screen. However as more time passed by and the pictures came out and the story started to unfold my interest in this movie has plummeted. So much so I no longer care and almost think this movie may not be as big as I once thought because I have the feeling a lot of other people are going to feel the same way. It's not that I am not hoping for a good Indy flick it's that I just don't think it's going to deliver anywhere near close the thrills of the originals. Not even by a margin. I am actually more excited for Hellboy 2 then I am for Jones. More excited to see how Star Trek unfolds then Jones. More excited to see The Dark Knight then Jones. Is this just me or are there others around here who feel the same way that this is more or less a desperate attempt by two directors and an actor who's career has seen it's heyday to try and recapture something that you can't because when they did it back then they were doing it for real and now it just comes across as though it's being forced?
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It's guaranteed. Shia will also tell the Russians to "don't go there".
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I love Raiders. I enjoyed Crusade. Both movies had laughs, and at times were a little campy (Indy and the snake in plane - Indy gets hit with mirror - "I don't know I'm making this up as I go") The problem is... where Raiders took itself seriously... Crusade did not IMO. That's what I miss out of Crusade. And Lucas even stated - that movie was more about the father/son relationship than the Grail. Raiders was more about the Ark. Hence the reason why they spent more time on character moments in Crusade than Raiders. That's what I feel Skull will probably be more about.
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Yeah because today's franchises are so good. I mean those Narnia, Spiderman and Harry Potter films are just great, blazingly cinematic. And what about those AVP and Fast and the Furious flicks? Awesome. And what about all the great remakes like The Fog, Halloween, The Hitcher, Texas Chainsaw Massacre etc? Boy those Spielberg/Lucas films sure sucked in comparison. What have Spielberg and Lucas got on Bay, Ratner and Wiseman?
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When people on THIS site aren't excited by an Indiana Jones movie.
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I would let Marian hold my bazooka and make it go shoot-shoot
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You said it brother.
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And has it come to this, where they have to copy something from the original? When they were great?
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Well, my expectations just dropped in a big way. "Last Crusade" was like an Indiana Jones cartoon. It reduced Salah and Marcus to slapstick humor, and made a joke of the whole series.
This is sounding worse all the time.
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That quote about being more like "Crusade"... I hated what they did to Marcus in it, but fuck - it had Connery in it. This one doesn't. I watched Raiders last weekend and it still stands up as one of the best movies ever.
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...that theoretically he could just get cooler with age. Indy was never the most clever or the fastest or the strongest guy on the block. Indy kicked ass by sheer force of his grumpyness, piss poor attitude and his willingness to take a beating and still come back and kick your ass. As the character becomes a kranky old fart all of this is multiplied...less fast, less strong but three times as grumpy. The famous scene in Raiders where the guy swings the sword all fancy and Indy casually shoots him?...works just as well if the character it eighty. Maybe even better. And the stakes go up too...a seventy five year old Indiana Jones can only take so many punches from big bald Nazis before bad things start happening biologically speaking...I think they could make five more. I'd watch.
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Jan 30, 2008 12:02:28 PM CST
i dont like this "closer to Last Crusade" thing
by the ghost of marcus brody
i want another Raiders.
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They should change up locations a bit ('course I know it's already done). It would be nice to see Indy in snow instead of more sand. Or a downtown metropolis instead of a desert. Oh, and I want him to rip a guy's throat out with his bare hand.
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Any scoops? Or is it all Amazon and other site-links, all the time?
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Specifically, it looks to be and Soviet RPG-2. Produced in 1949, it was phased out during the mid-60's to be replaced by the RPG-7. More here: http://world.guns.ru/grenade/gl01-e.htm And CRUSADE is a pale shadow of RAIDERS. I can never forgive it for the treatmemt of Marcus Brody and Sallah.
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See you in line opening day, chumps!
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Recently watching "Last Crusade" again, I notice that they successfully attempted to put more entertainment into the picture. The more I watch it, the more I can honestly claim that that film had the most 'heart' of the original three. I have no problems with the third (minus a few squibbles, if that is even a word), but yes, "Raiders" is still the best - duh. As long as the intro to "Crystal Skull" isn't as lame as the intro to "Temple of Doom," I'll personally be happy for the rest of the film. All I need now from the movie is a little blood when people get shot, Indy having a couple 'serious' moments, and the film not over-doing the screen time of the supporting players. Otherwise, knowing Spielberg, it will be really friggin' entertaining.
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SALLAH IS HOLDING ME BACK!!
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The original "Raiders" is still my fave. Best story, best stunts. Plus, I preferred it when LESS was known about Indy. When you're a kid pretending to be a movie hero, it's less fun when you know everything about them. Leaves nothin' to the imagination.
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Crusade was great! Sure, it is 2nd in the trilogy behind Raiders but it is still 10 times better than 99% of what Hollywood gives us. And as for Marcus and Sallah they may have not had their character developed in Crusade but you can't tell me you didn't laugh during their scenes. They were used to great comedic effect. And it has Sir Sean! If it had only had Indy and his dad it woulda been awesome! Add in the other characters and it's better than we deserve! as for Kingdom...bring it on!!! I'll be there with the real fans that are just happy to see Indy back!
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big time.Can't believe some idiot prefers this crapfest over the other two flicks...
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I think he proved a couple of years ago with Munich that he can still make a kick ass movie, Indy wil be safe in his hands
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I know you want new locations but Indy is an archeologist and there's not too much to find under 20 feet of snow or the streets of New York.
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Shanghai club scene, Short Round, and chilled monkey brains. All of which Raiders and Crusade lacked.
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did you guys not follow the link? indy tater premiering at the toy fair!? do want!!arcadian, i admire how outraged you are about such delicacies as wardrobe, but you're wrong. i'm a costume designer and the costumes are spot-on, including marion's.
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was a link to a Newsweek article that Christopher Nolan wrote about Heath Ledger. Good article and perspective from a filmmaker regarding an actor. http://www.newsweek.com/id/105580
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It's not as good as "Raiders," of course, but it's still very strong and on a short list of sequels I can watch at any moment. The pic is cool too.
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golf clap, sir. Museum indeed. Nicely done.
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...TOD got a bum rap from the PTA, but we're not those people. It was a dark but wacky serial/pulp for us kids who are into that. Moms who were equating Lucas and Spielberg with Walt Disney at the time objected.LAST CRUSADE ... I was young enough when it came out to love it just because it existed. Now, I still feel it is okay, but I think Lucasberg was trying too hard to appease the PTA Moms who had TOD problems. It was watered down. I don't think anybody really wanted to be doing it. Aside from the fun opening, none of it really stood out.
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Its an RPG 7, which the Soviets didn't field until the early 60s. It should have been an RPG 2, which was fielded in 1949 - and was the weapon used by the Sovs during the time frame of the movie.
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Your choices are Marion, Willie, and Elsa. Who do you marry, who do you F*ck, and you do you simply kill?
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Marry Marion, fuck Elsa, kill Willie.
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attractive, yet very much her own woman without being annoying. I'd f*ck Willie at least once, if not several times, in every orifice. In fact, I'd say she's more attractive than Marion but her mouth and her attitude ruin her as a complete package. I'll kill Elsa. Cute, but not as hot as Willie and not as attractive or endearing as Marion. Plus, she's a fuckin' BAD GUY, and now she's a corpse, cuz she fell in the chasm, and I'm not no necrophiliac.
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Was it NO ONE??? j/k dude
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And I only say I won't marry Willie because I don't want to piss off Steven ;).
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bah-dum-dum!
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I doubt nothing could detract me from going to it.I also want me an Indy taterhead.
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I'll be here all week
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because the makeup and prosthetics are so good, but that RPG is played by Warwick Davis.
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The others are pretty much standalone adventures but Skull seems to be the true sequel to Raiders of the Lost Ark. They should have called it 'Kingdom of the Crystal Skull' and dropped the 'Indiana Jones and the...'
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Does that make sense?
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Because it reintroduced an entire new group of moviegoers to the thrills that the previous generation had gotten when they went to the movies and saw the matinee serials like Flash Gordon, Buck Rodgers and The Rocketeer. It was a movie like no one had seen before with a thrill a minute sensibility and it caught lightning in a bottle. Any sequel was bound to suffer in comparison because Spielberg/Lucas crammed practically every single thing that they loved about going to the movies into the first one. No way they could duplicate that feeling of surprise that Raiders ilicited. Seeing Raiders Of The Lost Ark made you feel like a kid again. And if you WERE a kid when you saw it the first time, even better. The new one might be a good film but it can't compete with Raiders.
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seem fake...like a phony film stage stuff as opposed to gritty real stuff. know what i mean? they dont feel like film still..they feel like staged photo shoots.
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Looks like the little blue pill is kicking in.
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Maybe they were using high speed cameras. But I know what you're saying. No movement, very static and staged-like.
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Jan 30, 2008 1:18:43 PM CST
Indiana Jones and the Struggle for Bladder Control
by abominable snowcone
"Don't worry...you know what a cautious fellow I am.
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"Indy, they've taken the Honeybaked from the plane and loaded it on back of a truck for Cairo."
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Jan 30, 2008 1:20:58 PM CST
Didn't Ford say repeatedly he hopes this is a new series ?
by arcadiands
I'm pretty sure he's said many times in interviews that he loved the role, loved this new film, and hopes they make more?
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Q: What does Indy's cock taste like?
A: You tell me.
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warwick as the rpg, good stuff
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He's traveled across the world solving ancient mysteries...but now, he'll be damned if he can solve this crossword puzzle.
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everything looks like the kind of perfectly set up and lit photos you find in a vanity fair article for a movie rather than fly on the wall films stills you normally see. maybe it s adigital camera thing...in any case...it's not making me terrible excited. and i really should be!!! fingers crossed for the trailer.
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That's hi-larious. I wonder why no one else pointed out that Indy was old.
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We all did. That's what makes Indy talkbacks teh fun. Stupid, too.
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It's a little known fact that Warwick played the Ark in "Raiders" and an idle mine car in "Temple." In "Crusade" he doubled as that motorcycle sidecar Sean Connery rode in.
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RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK is about as near-a-perfect movie as they come. Nearly everything about the film is perfect in its execution = tone, characters, action, suspense, etc. The two sequels have their individual strengths and charm. But to me, they don't even feel like their part of the same franchise when stacked against the original.No, RAIDERS is the benchmark. It's a high-point for both Spielberg & Lucas and it set the standard for so many subsequent action/adventure films.It's just like the old ABC Monday Night Movie guy said soooo many years ago when the film was broadcast on TV for the first time (my family still has a copy of the first broadcast on Beta somewhere):"Remember...this is the one that stopped you cold!"Ba ba dum Baaa, Ba dum ba, Ba ba dum Baaa, Ba ba ba ba Bum!!!
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Jan 30, 2008 1:25:59 PM CST
WARWICK ALSO PLAYED THE IDOL IN RAIDERS OPENING SCENE
by bringingsexyback
He was covered in gold leaf.
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equals "Last Crusade" bore-fest
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Jan 30, 2008 1:27:39 PM CST
"I can't take these bad joke-titles about my age anymore!!" BOOM
by tallboy66
And then Indy took the rocket launcher and blew up the world. The end.
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Didn't ya take your pills today? I'm as excited about anyone as the new movie, and his age doesn't bother me a bit. There's plenty of 60 year old college profs around, so it's not a stretch of the imagination that Indy is still involved in history or archaeology. Just having a little fun here. YES, with his AGE. I did the same with Rocky last year, and I loved that.
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well said. One can't say enough about the influence of the serials on "Raiders" and it's success. However, I think you are intending to reference Republic's excelent Commando Cody trilogy (Lost Planet Airmen, Zombies of the Stratosphere, Radar Men on the Moon). Wasn't the Rocketeer created in the 80's?
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I think it had the best theme in the series, that I still hum it even today. Also it had the funniest scene in all three films: "WILLIE, wwweeee aaarree goooinng to DIE!!!"
I don't know where the hate comes from. It is actually quite a great film. If anything, Last Crusade was the biggest failure by turning Marcus Brody into a total imbecile when it's quite clear from the first film that he's a mentor, even an equal to Indy. -
Jan 30, 2008 1:29:56 PM CST
Temple is the best by FAR. The best intro, the best chases
by proman1984
The most suspense! Temple FTW.
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Jan 30, 2008 1:30:41 PM CST
UM ... INDY FREED THE CHILD SLAVES AND SAVES INDIAN VILLAGE
by bringingsexyback
from death and famine. I think that qualifies for Best In Trilogy.
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Agree totally. Raiders was "real" and "gritty." You could see the sweat, feel the pain. And the actors took it seriously. Last Crusade was shot like a TV movie and everyone hammed it up. And now Crystal Skull is starting to look and sound like the same deal. Still psyched, but worried.
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That's why we gotta molest them and fuck them up now.
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...is invincible. Indy prevented the Nazis from obtaining the Ark. Therefore, RAIDERS qualifies as Best in Trilogy.
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Yes, that line (along with Ford's facial expression) has always cracked me up. I also enjoy the moment when he sticks his fist out of the hole and shouts, "Do it now!".
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Jan 30, 2008 1:34:20 PM CST
THE *ONLY* THING THAT BUGS ME IS HOW THE TANK OF WATER
by bringingsexyback
flooded a whole freaking mountain and blasted out. Otherwise the rest was very believable.
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Lucas himself even said he was a big greaser/hot rodder in the day. Put a beard on Shia and compare with old pics of George- they even LOOK similar. GL was DEFINITELY writing himself in to this one, and good for him.
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Jan 30, 2008 1:37:48 PM CST
AHA!!! *BUT* AS YOU CAN SEE THE ARK DESTROYS ALL BAD GUYS
by bringingsexyback
when it is opened. Had they taken the Ark to Germany and presented it to Hitler for the grand unveiling, it would have destroyed the Third Reich instantly. Ipso facto, Indy saved Hitler.
TEMPLE WINS AGAIN! -
Dr Jones goes on a search for a tube of Preparation H at a local Piggly Wiggly trying to cure his painful anus fire.
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Stop being followers and wake up to TEMPLE OF DOOM. It is the most true adventure serial and not a big self-aware joke like LAST CRUSADE.
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is that it's the one film of the three where Indy keeps the woman in her place. :) I think in the last Indy TB I mentioned that the main thing I don't like about Temple is that some of the 'gag' dialogue and skits haven't aged well. Like Indy pushing on the statue with the boobs and Willie saying "I'm here," or Indy stopping the mine car with his foot and saying "Water! Water!" I still love the bridge sequence, though.
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for the salvation of a tiny Indian village.
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Is getting a HUGE latter day resurgence. Peoples finally appreciating it. Still wish I had it...
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All three Indy flicks are great pictures. Period. Each film had a different feel but all three were and remain timeless, amazing movies. I personally love Raiders and Temple the best but Last Crusade was plenty of fun. If some of you twats really are that high-minded and cynical, go watch something else and just shut the fuck up. After reading some of your drivel, it's obvious you never understood the characters or the films to begin with. All you want to do is complain about everything, taking apart the quality work of people who shit more talent than you will ever possess.
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Remember Belloq? The Ark mistook the Nazis for French men which is why France never tried to claim it.Once again, RAIDERS smiles from on high.What? What did I say?
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Nothing will ever top that 1st Indy movie. It was a classic because it was fresh even though it borrowed heavy from the old serials it was the right movie for the right time when it came out.
Temple of Doom took a different path and did not quite capture the magic of Raiders. It tried to be too humorous and the female lead was terrible.
Crusade was trying to recapture the older formula and in some spots it worked very well. The scene with Hilter comes to mind during the book signing. Still it did not have that punch that made Raiders so awesome. A good movie but not the best out of the 3.
And again without having seen this new movie and only based on what we've read from Lucas and Speilberg and the pictures we've seen this movie feels forced. I am not sold on the premise of the story. I am not sold on Shia. Lucas was the real kill for me. When I read that he kept trolling to get this movie made for so many years and each time both Ford and Speilberg said not because they felt the story was not that great and then finally magically years later they embraced the very story that they were turning down so many times it raises an eyebrow and to me discredits the movie. If you didn't read that article a few months back it was quite sobering and really that was when my back peddling of excitement started.
That being said. Of course I am going to see the movie I am just lowering my expectations and not as excited about it as I once was. I don't have the giddy feeling in my gut that I once did when this was announced. It sucks but it's the truth. -
The only one that takes itself seriously. TOD had some goofy moments (hey, let's call back to Raiders when this is a prequel...makes sense) and Last Crusade is basically a family comedy about a guy named Indiana Jones. How anyone can argue that Raiders isn't the best is beyond me; watch the fight in the airfield or the desert chase. They're what Indiana Jones is all about: never say die, do whatever it takes to get the job done. This new flick looks like it's going to cannibalize all three films (the poster is Temple of Doom, Marion, the rumored involvement of the Ark, hell, even the bazooka are from Raiders, and the blatant father-son comedy bullshit is Last Crusade). And people getting on Lucas for this: he's only half responsible. The alien bullshit is Lucas's (and don't get me wrong, it IS terrible), but the father-son bit is PURE Spielberg (add to that the son is played by Spielberg's new pet and it becomes even more obvious). Now Marshall says it's closer to Last Crusade in tone. This film is dead on arrival.
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Would You rather Marcus was pregnant with snakes or used as comic relief.
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Word to you fucking mothers.
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because of what Lucas did to Darabont
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It took flak for being especially dark, which seemed to bother some people and directly affect the tone of Crusade. I always appreciated the dark feel of the film because it made the heroics and the resolution seem that much more spectacular. I think what it really all boils down to is that people need to rank everything, rather than just sit back and enjoy. Personally, I have yet to see an action/advernture that can rival any of the original three Indy flicks.
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Indy + Time Travel + Improbable Mass Shifting = Box Office Classic.
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indiana jones, and wolverine? didn't know this was a crossover.
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He rejected a script which happens all the time in this industry. Darabont is a big boy, a great writer, and he made one of my favorite films of '07 so I think he'll survive. Lucas and Speilberg both have creative control regarding the Indy films; it's their playground.
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Jan 30, 2008 1:55:40 PM CST
TEMPLE WAS A DARKER FILM BUT IT INSPIRED THE WESTERN WORLD
by bringingsexyback
to help alleviate starvation and suffering in the Third World. I bet Bob Geldof got his ideas from Indy.
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Does he have three hairs to every follicle ?
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Does he have three hairs to every follicle ?
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warwick was a piece of lichen
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I don't know about y'all, but I plan on picketing this movie.
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I've always liked to think that, after drinking the blood of Kali, Indy regains his identity not by being burned but because it was neutralized by all the bugs and brains and eyeballs he had for dinner.
Actualy, that would have been awesome if, when they where hanging off the bridge and the thugee guy tried to get at Indy's heart, Indy had barfed up a shitload of caterpilars on him and made him loose his grip.
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Have swastikas all over them, and a copy of Mein Kamp is in the bathroom at all times.
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"I once went deer hunting with one of these...but I've got nothin' to show for it."
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The RPG-7, and its many derivatives, did not enter the Soviet aresenal until late 1961. It did not see widespread usage until the mid 1960s.
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... it's still a pretty fucking awesome movie. Raiders is my alltime favorite movie ever, so comparing it to that would be kinda silly. I think Crusade and Doom are pretty much equals. They both had awesomeness and were flawed at the same time. I mean Crusade had River Phoenix (that's right: River Fucking Phoenix!), one of the best motorcycle chases ever (almost as cool as the truck chase in Raiders) and a fucking tank battle!! Doom had the bridge, bugs, hearts ripped out (George: you should get a divorce more often!). But they both don't hold a candle to Raiders. But saying either one sucked is just retarded. Oh and like said above: Indy got Hitlers autograph in Crusade! Gotta give it kudos for that. Kudos man!
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You may only have one Werther's Original!
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Fires bazooka. Seriously, though, that pic rocks. Lucasfilm really knows how to send out the images.
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...end of movie.
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You are correct, sir. The Rocketeer was Disney's attempt at a Raiders style movie. And it wasn't half bad. But yeah, I was referring to the "Cody" trilogy. And in the 60's, they still showed the serials during summer kids movie days where I lived in Georgia. Admittance was six Coke bottle caps. You'd get a Tarzan or Godzilla flick, cartoons and several chapters of one of the old serials. The next week you'd get the next chapters along with a new movie and cartoon set on the big screen. It rocked.
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the Midnight Meat Train!
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No he didn't. That was God.
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Cover your heart!
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Jan 30, 2008 2:36:09 PM CST
CAPTION SUBMISSION: "MARION HAS A BEER AND CHEETS ON INDY
by bringingsexyback
with their son. Indy has a surprise in store for them."
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...and I don't know why exactly, but it seems to happen a lot. Raiders took itself very seriously, a smart move, and the payoffs in that film were huge. After that one though, the Indy series has become rather gimmicky and not quite so serious. It became more a series of Disney World rides on the big screen. Don't get me wrong. I love Raiders, and enjoy the idea of a new Indy film coming out after so long, but have major doubts that there is any seriousness left to the series, like the first one displayed so well. I hope I'm wrong.
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Fools. Bureaucratic fools. They don't know what they've got there.
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or when it was invented, or whatever. What matters is, it makes 'splosions.
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He wrote Empire and Raiders back to back (before he started directing), so that probably explains why these are the best movies to come from Lucasfilm.
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The dude/chick from the Crying Game? Or was he/she Michael Jackson.
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end of story. bitches.
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We going for a ride!
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with the greasy Shia LeButtfuck taking up so much screen time. This can be only bad because that fuck is annoying as hell. Talk about a one note actor, this fuckstick plays the same annoying prattling twat in every movie he's in.
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Strange then that you should be so familiar with Shia's work...
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I love all three of them. The best film was Raiders. But the best one for sheer unadulterated escapism was Temple. I was hoping Crystal would be more in tune with that. The teaser poster has a Temple of Doom vibe about it. But the movie will still own. But The Dark Knight will own the whole year!
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"I'm a person and my name is Mutt!"
"Hang on Daddy, we going for a ride?"
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ala "I have a bad feeling about this". So that means we'll get a scene where Indy is cornered, so he reaches for his gun...its not there...reaches for his whip...its not there...shrugs his shoulders, and sucker punches his opponent square in his face..AAnnndd it should include the most cliched line uttered in action film history..."I'm getting too old for this shit." But I hold out for Spielberg, and hope it's more talented-action-director Spielberg, as opposed to toy-movie-producer Spielberg.
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He's only been working for a couple years and he's been in more movies than Samuel L. Jackson and Michael Cain combined.
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Will the same fly reappear and enter one of the actor's mouth's again ?
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preferred Doom to Raiders. Go figure. Read her review and you sense her joy of it. Say what you will about critics, but that lady LOVED the movies.
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Same thing with her eating that crap in the village. Maybe there was a cut scene in Last Crusade where a fly buzzed into Brody's ear and made him retarded.
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That must be a panzerfaust. Probably taken off a dead Nazi. Or is this movie set in the mid 40's instead of the 30's?
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You know it must be in there somewhere... along with a bunch of little dancing ET's!
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and that Gene Hackman's been slacking off lately too. Remember when it seemed he was in every other movie made a few years ago.
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Jan 30, 2008 2:56:37 PM CST
"You don't believe me, Dr Jones? You will. You will become a tru
by jack-torrance
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That's right--Belloq gets one in Raiders and Willie gets buzzed in Temple.
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The movie is set in 1956!!!
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He just does Lowes commercials now
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at Shia's crib.....dawg!
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And it concerns Indy's search for a relic that aged him 20 years overnight.
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Along with Paul Newman and Sean Connery.
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Jan 30, 2008 3:01:22 PM CST
Oh OK, this is in the 50's? Shows you how little I care about t
by fluffyunbound
Seriously, other than as an opportunity for humorous title jokes [READERS OF THE LARGE PRINT remains the greatest] is anyone really looking forward to this?
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He also played the fag in The Long Good Friday who get's stabbed in the gut by Pierce Brosnan.
"Colin's been stabbebbbed" Bob Hoskins in all his bottom teeth grinding underneath his top teeth cockney glory. Now that's a movie !! -
Sad but true.
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you're posting about it! You know you're gonna be in line to see when it opens, just like everyone else. INDY owns, bitches!
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Strange then that you would think it takes more than 5 minutes of viewing time to figure out you've seen his shtick before. Perhaps you're not quite as bright as you think you are?
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That would be a nice twist.
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that's the news I want to hear
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you and your family gathered 'round the old CRT, eating popcorn, watching your frakking betamax. DOPE. did you have a cowlick and wear OP shorts? please say yes.warwick davis was funny on 'extras' when harry potter hit on his fiancee and he punched that guy in the sack. sack-punching is funny (if you're a girl).
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So Indy's actually playing about a decade younger. Might make it a little more believable that his dad's still alive, assuming Sean Connery does make it. Of course the Grail probably made them a little younger. Not immortal but it would have healed whatever prostate issue and things like that they might have had, probably added to their lifespan.
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There is absolutely no other movie this year that will be as anticipated and ultimately satisfying as The Dark Knight. Period.
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You cheat!
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Somewhat Extreme Solution for Gridlock!
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You mean more than Midnight Meat Train?
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Temple wins by K.O.
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Damn you poster way above for infecting my mind with the idea of Ryan Gosling as Dr. Jones Jr. and the future of the franchise instead of Shia "Hijinks" Lebeouff.
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"I'm going to blow up the ark rene!" maybe he does this time? I'm just sayin...and we will all go see it and we all know it out of sheer curiosity
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I'm looking forward to TDK but really, it's just another comic book movie. Let me guess, Maggie Gyllllynnhaaal gets kidnapped at the end and Batman has to go save her. At least Indy might hold some surprises.
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Jan 30, 2008 3:20:05 PM CST
DESPACIO - I TAKE FULL CREDIT FOR THE GOSLING SUGGESTION
by bringingsexyback
Tragic when you think about it, isn't it?
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All the Spiderman crapfests and "Superman Returns and Bores Us" are just another bunch of comic book movies. Batman Begins and The Dark Knight (I'm pretty confident about) are cuts above the rest. Trust me.
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"Was it a hold-up or a stick-up?"
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gosling is a damned brilliant actor but he has a very modern, method-y style of dialogue. he's never effectively done period (see: 'the notebook', 'remember the titans'); it just doesn't sit well on him, plus he has so much innate gravitas i don't know if he'd fit overly well into spiely's scrap-happy shiny universe. the gos is a young brando. i don't know if shia la bee is a young harrison ford, either, so i don't really have a good argument here. but, now, river phoenix was so brilliant too - and he had a lot of gravitas. gee. maybe i should just shut up.
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Ha! Well, that's pretty damn close. I had a few OP shirts back in the day. But when it came to shorts, it was JAMS, baby. JAMS!!!BTW - I finally caught THERE WILL BE BLOOD this weekend. Great movie with some truly riveting moments delivered by Daniel Day Lewis. But I have to say that I think NCFOM may have been the better of the two. Since the "voice of McCarthy" was so well incorporated, it's highly probable that I'm just playing favorites.
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Oh yes, one of the funniest moments in the series!"Oi!!! Radcliffe! What are you up to?"
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Don't be coy. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to realize that you're in love with Shia and Hobbits. (The gay ones, not the heteros.)
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But Harrison Ford during his Indy stints also did Blade Runner and Witness, two roles that Gosling could have also pulled off very well. It's just acting, and if Gosling has the talent, which I believe he does, he could have really improved this new movie. Shia is a cartoon. Look at Heath Ledger - he can do Joker and Ennis Del Mar. Gosling is in that realm.
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Gosling kind of gives me the willies, terrific actor though I suppose the willies are a good thing. Shia stay out our Chicago Walgreens you are not welcome!!!!
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Gosling would have been a great person to play Indy Redux! Why oh why did they cast LeBeouf. FUCK!
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and ruin my day? Why? [clenches fist and raises it to the gods] WHY???
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If Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is half as good as Last Crusade then it will be a great film well worth the wait.
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More like she loved trying to rip credit away from Orson Welles for Citizen Kane, only to get summarily bitch-slapped by the facts. Nice to know she was also wrong about the quality of the Indy flicks.
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Great, he's got an RPG. All he needs now are a couple of ammo belts and a skimask and he'd fit right in with the vandals and insurgents of Sadr City.
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comparing apples and cucumbers. The Indiana Jones series is and always has been rooted in the adventure serials of the '30s and '40s, along with the Saturday matinee tone that those serials had. Nolan's Batmans are rooted in the tone of Miller's Dark Knight series, with the darkness and psychological concerns attached.
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i think the gos is just about one of the best actors of his generation, of any time in film history. he needs to do some theatre, he would tear it up.i think i was making the argument because i had a mental picture of him with the hair and the jacket and i just felt 'fish out of water.' maybe he's TOO good, you know? like i could see him trying to goof himself down and it just not sticking. in all honesty i don't even know why i'm still talking about it when it's not like it's happening, obviously i am not in the mood to build costumes (my job today) and i am procrastinating. blargh!g, i still have to see 'twbb' but the more i think about 'no country' the more i think it's one of the best films i've seen in recent years. i exhorted my students to see it the other night and was met with blank stares. oi is right!
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She's old enough to be some of your grandmothers.
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Aliens didn't sell us that technology until 1962.
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Okay I don't have one. But made you look!
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... when I was 11. Raiders is the only film that stands alone as an entertaining movie from a filmmaker who was at the peak of his creativity. ToD and LC are fine and fun, but can't hold a candle to Raiders. the goofy jokes will annoy me, I want more of the gritty feel of Raiders, which was played straight. frankly the whole project is worrying, especially the 'aliens' aspect to the plot, which simply doesn't sit right with the Indy world....
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I LIKE GILF'S!!!!!!
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I'll sign your imaginary petition.
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this is played for serious. With as few "gags" as possible.
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He would've been devastated.
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EATING CHOCOLATE PUDDING FROM TRADER JOE'Swhere's warwick davis when you need him?
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Jan 30, 2008 4:11:11 PM CST
Just how in the hell did Jones & Marion get off the island?
by han cholo
With the Ark of the Covenant of all things, unharmed? I think Raiders took a big leap there because here you have two people on a Nazi island somewhere in the Mediterranean Sea, then all of a sudden they're back in the US with the Ark, unharmed. Just what the hell happened there? Did Katenga pick them up? I'm sure there were other Nazis on the island that weren't at the Ark opening wondering what happened to Belloq and Dietrich. What gives?
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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that Indy and Marion either got on the radio or they placed a telephone call. Collect.
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about production design for "futuristic" movies a few weeks ago, and just rewatched Children Of Men last night. Even though its vision of the future design-wise 20 years from now was not too different, I liked the screens that dominated the cityscape. Did you like??
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I got more out of the hellboy 2 coverage than the main story.. still kind of excited about indy4
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I got more out of the hellboy 2 coverage than the main story.. still kind of excited about indy4
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hey man! don't know if you saw my post but i totally used '2001' for my class. got even more blank stares. *sigh* i loved the design for 'com', nice verisimilitude. the visual parallels between that film's sets and iraq/afghanistan are quite intense. next week i'm teaching 'blade runner' and eagerly awaiting my copy from amazon of the new reissue...
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...including the submarine and the sub station. But then I guess they should have shown that. But they made the film for less than $20mill, what do you want?
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They closed their eyes, THEN opened the Ark. And rode it's lightning/fire/Power of God whirlwind back to the US mainland where they promptly called Marcus Brody to come pick them up. Except he was lost in his own museum. So they cabbed it.
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on the island. The more we deconstruct Raiders, the more we discover how faulty this movie is. TEMPLE PWNS RAIDERS
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Favs, do one of these for major releases and have a few Indy folks there for another "Dinner" in May.
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ha ha - because ToD is so flawless? I know you know that Raiders is the cream of the Indy crop.
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...or anything, but the RPG Indy's holding looks like a modified RPG-7, with certain details more closely resembling the RPG-2 (such as the slimmer wooden stock). Since the Soviet force Indy will come up against is undoubtedly cutting edge for the time, is it too much to assume that the RPG is a prototype model between the RPG-2 and the RPG-7?
C'mon, work with me here. It's not a full-on RPG-7 so let's not take for granted that there's an anachronistic goof here.
Ah, fuck it, who am I kidding? This is talkback.
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It is frightening that todays ADD-inflicted youth would view 2001 wondering "So when is something interesting going to happen/blow up..?"
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i forgot how temple of doom ended, something to do with a cross bridge and alligators at the bottom?? I definately remember how raiders ended though, the ark was opened and all the bad guys faces melted off..awesome.maybe that says something about which is better but temple definately had memorable moments
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not carrying nearly enough water to flood the mountain. But I think the chilled monkey brains made up for that.
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because Indy and friends GOTTA EAT!
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so whats the relic in the new movie? a crystal skull?
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aren't you describing the end of 'romancing the stone'? where michael douglas wrestles the alligator and then has boots made out of him? awesome.
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Go check out the interview with Lucas and the gang in the latest VANITY FAIR. I especially like the part where Lucas was being stubborn on his "McGuffin", enough that Spielberg/Ford past on the idea for 10-15 years just because of it. And that Lucas is changing the feel of it from a 30' pulp adventure to a 50' sci-fi B-Movie. Anyway, don't let me ruin it for you by badly paraphrasing it, read it for yourself: http://tinyurl.com/364kuu
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When you chill monkey brains, it's not supposed to come out "sherberty", it's tough. Delectable, sure, but it ain't that easy to scoop out the skull. And any cerebral gourmet knows you NEVER mash the brains or puree them and put them back in the skull. It bursts the vessels and the flavors runs everywhere. ANd the "Snake Surprise"- ha. Everyone knowns you serve the baby eels pickled with hog knuckles. The eels are never squirming. They should have sent that shit back. But maybe the Maharaja liked it that way, i dunno. Oh, and the bugs- you can't just break the backs off any easier than you can a boiled crab, you have to het a nutcracker to get that shit open, and even then, the peanut buttery innards never stay right down in the abdomen so neatly. That meal was SO faked.
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..yea BSB, that magma deep fryer that barely singes flesh until they're a few feet away is very believable....
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was that too obvious? my bad. I kid because I love.
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Raiders is by far the best for reasons I won't repeat here.
I know I'll get shit for this, but TOD is severely underrated. Yes, I cringe at Willie Scott at times and squirm at the occasional colonial leanings, but the film is the one that most closely resembles the pulp tales of old. Raiders is more like the movie serials, but TOD is like the printed pulp tales of the time -- including the daft, helpless female and the colonial bent. TOD is also the darkest tale and a refreshing departure from Raiders, which it needed to be at the time.
While Last Crusade is about, oh, a thousand times better than most action movies made today, it is still the weakest film of the trilogy. It's a lurching, shambling mess, with hit-and-miss comedy and a very, VERY, tired Harrison Ford in the role. I've said it before and I'll say it again: he plays Indy in Last Crusade like an overweight, hung-over, sweaty air-conditioner salesman with high blood pressure.
With that having been said, I'm fucking thrilled to be seeing Indy on a big screen again in May. I think playing him at his real age is what's going to make this film work. There's plenty of opportunity for both drama and comedy in that without having to resort to hammy lines like "who gives a DAMN what you think!" and revolving fireplaces. -
...came from The Warehouse. Like the US got a hold of it (and had it boxed) when it was still in the early Russian stages of development.Or, maybe the production designer really goofed...
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Jan 30, 2008 4:47:09 PM CST
overweight, hung-over, sweaty air-conditioner salesman with high
by skimn
Thanks, you just descibed me.
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Temple of Doom is my favorite, so sue me. Both it and Raiders are heads above Crusade. Crusade just seemed lazy, kinda like Jurassic Park 2.
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Bad ass. 'Mola Ram!? Prepare to meet Kali... IN HELL!'
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I hated the chanting in TOD...howd it go? shit daa, shit daaa daaaa
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C'mon bro, where's the love?
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Clearly your knowledge of Indian cuisine reigns supreme. Although I do think the scarabs' shells were peeled off before serving. I'll have to look up the recipe.
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I'm actually a film student and can appreciate slower, more artistic movies but you can't justify a 15 minute docking sequence, I don't care how eloquent and pretentious you are.
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...because he never really had any effect over Belloq's plans (an outcome that Belloq predicts in his very first line of dialogue). Indy was too busy being tied up to a post with Marion to stop Belloq from doing what Belloq had always planned - opening the Ark on the island before going back to Germany. **** The biggest problem with RAIDERS is that Indy's involvement in the story is completely inconsequential, and in the end, it would have been better for everyone if he had just turned down the government's offer and stayed home. Why? Because, no matter what Indy tries to do, the Ark ends up in the hands of Belloq and the Nazis. They get exactly what they'd wanted since the beginning of the film - it just blows up in their faces, literally. In fact, while Indy appears to be slowing the Nazis' progress throughout the film, he has actually speeded up the discovery by leading the Nazis to Marion and the headpiece of the Staff of Ra. It could be argued that the Nazis would have found Marion on their own, but they are clearly shown to be tailing Indy from the US. And, had Indy not offered her money and a ticket out of Nepal, Marion would have seen the writing on the wall when Toht showed up, and wouldn't have dared to cross him in the absolutely stupid manner that she did. **** Regardless, had Indy not led them to Marion, the Nazis would have kept digging at Tanis and eventually would have found the Well of Souls on their own. The Staff of Ra, while helpful, is unnecessary in the grand scheme of things. It's nothing more than a shortcut to finding the Ark. **** Really, the only 'positive' things Indy accomplishes for all his effort are: 1) killing a bunch of Nazis; 2) slowing down the transport of the Ark between Tanis and the island (after speeding up its discovery); and 3) saving Marion by telling her to close her eyes when the Ark is opened (after endangering her life by going to Nepal and bringing her on his fool's errand). The worst thing Indy accomplishes in RAIDERS is getting back together with Marion and conceiving Shia LeBeouf. **** All this said, RAIDERS is the greatest action-adventure movie ever made, second only to 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY on my list of all-time favorite films. It's just technically a really bad 'hero's journey' story, featuring a completely ineffectual protagonist who creates more problems than he solves, and utterly fails to achieve his goal. And, in that respect, TEMPLE OF DOOM and LAST CRUSADE are better stories, because Indy genuinely denies the bad guys their prizes in those two films. **** As an aside, here's another RAIDERS head-scratcher: If Belloq is heading up the Nazis' search for the Ark in Egypt, what the fuck is he doing in Peru looking for a golden fertility idol?
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Ha! Sorry man, I must have thought I was having a brainstorm!RAIDERS RULES!
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whoa I think youre right, that does sound like romancing the stone..I should netflix the whole indy TOD or all 3 movies. kate capshaw was fucking hot back then
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We need some more of his hat fetish thesis!
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From the article linked to ... "A new Last Crusade would be just dandy by us. When not discussing the finer nuances of Fassbinder or trying on Vulcan ears, we in the Empire office like to argue over which is the best Indy movie. There's currently a heated battle between the Raiders and Crusade teams."
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sorry pal, but you're attempting to butt in on a conversation that is referring to another TB held several weeks ago that was specifically about me teaching '2001' in a production design class in terms of realistic futurism. next time, ask first. you can go back to your hitchcock homework now.
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Take that SE bashers.
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the lost world novel was far better than the movie..they fucked up by taking the t rex to the city..actually the whole movie is screwed up, except the trailer dangling scene.
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Ipso Facto, Indy is a royal fuck-up, at least in Raiders. He did manage to save a bunch of Indians in Temple, which is why that is the superior movie.
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I second your analysis.
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But both Sallah and Brody got chumped in CRUSADE.
RAIDERS Brody: "If I were a few years younger I'd be going with you." Brody is the older version of Indy. RAIDERS Sallah: Indy comes to him as the "best digger in all of Cairo", an expert in archeological digs as well as intelligence about the recent dig. And he's the guy who gets Indy out of a room full of armed Nazis! CRUSADE treats both of them like buffons for that sake of a few bad jokes.
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Also, Brody helps him. Henry is surprised that Indy dragged Marcus into the adventure because according to Indy Marcus got lost once in his own museum.
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Warwick is always with our thoughts and minds
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I think I'm more excited about the upcoming LEGO game than I am this new film. Sad.
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if you want your own punch in the nads, rent 'willow'. you will get the retard tingles worse than you've ever had before!
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he was the title sequence
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Jan 30, 2008 5:34:03 PM CST
like I said before, Willow wasn't a movie, it was a documentary
by kloipy
he's magical
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but it sounds like you really enjoyed it.
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sexual orientation not relevant....i don't get the transformers kid being in this...and i don't get the aliens part either, other than aliens make money, but they thought King Kong would too
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Let my game geekness fly. I too am looking forward to the LEGO game, the Star Wars games were too much fun..
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sarcasm is the name of the game today!
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how is the lego game cooler than playing with actual legos? keep in mind i am a relatively functioning adult and still think playing with legos is cool. and not the new kinds, i like the old kinds like what's in the big plastic bin in my closet at my mom's house. please educate me.
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Although they both do pretty much the same thing, RPGs are much smaller and look like a tube attached to a tipped grenade/missile. A bazooka looks like a peice of pvc pipe that tends to be about 3.5 to 4 feet long and you do not see the grenade/missle sticking out. If we're talking slang, though, yeah, bazookas are RPGs.
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...overall film, despite its many flaws, for its evenness of tone, the grandiosity of its central relic, and the strength of its villains, sidekicks and set pieces. But, over the years, I've tended to re-watch TEMPLE and CRUSADE more often that RAIDERS. They're a lot more fun, and not just because Indy actually wins in them. But, so far, there's no such thing as a 'bad Indy movie' in my eyes. Just don't get me started on the stupid fucking TV series starring "Powder".
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Jan 30, 2008 5:45:28 PM CST
LEOBLOOM - THAT VILLAGE IS NOW AN OUTSOURCED CALL CENTER
by bringingsexyback
for Dell, Chase, and a host of other Fortune 500 companies. So thanks to Indy, Americans have lost jobs too.
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Thats the designer in you that enjoys creating with Legos..myself, I tended to settle on candy-cane-colored towers and very, very blocky houses. The LEGO games are videogames that recreate scenes and challenges based on the Star Wars movies using LEGO based figures and vehicles as models. They are cute as hell.
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Instead he sends some Arab to posion dates, but the Monkey tips Indy off.
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Are they perfect? No. Do they have problems? Yes. But I enjoy the hell out of them anyway.
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...should have joined forces with Daniel Plainview in THERE WILL BE BLOOD. Fucking colonialist corporate scumbag.
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Man, I just recently located a stash of old photos I took years ago, of all the crazy shit I used to build with my Legos, and really missed 'em for a minute.
The Lego Star Wars games are a lot of fun in a joke-y sort of way and feature pretty competent gameplay paired with graphics that are nice to look at. If you've got either of the next-gen consoles, I recommend picking up The Complete Saga.
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because I wasted $24 on Clovercrab instead. I enjoyed it, but really I think I would have gotten better value for the money with Day-Lewis and not Rob & Beth.
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Upcoming: Lego Indiana Jones Trilogy & Lego Batman.
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holy crap that looks cute. and i am ignorant as hell about games (despite the fact that i'm married to a game designer), so that's a good sign! can you play 'em on the ps3? we have one of those p.o.s.'s kicking around.
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Actually, it was Egyptian hired hands who pointed the guns at Indy at that moment. They wouldn't have minded shooting Indy, but a bunch of unarmed Egyptian children? Not so much. I don't think the Nazi goons in the tavern would have risked the ire of the hired hands by killing kids -- at least until the war actually began.
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Color me amazed ...
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...should go take the tour at the George Washington Masonic Memorial in Old Town Alexandria, VA. You will be very, very surprised by what you find in the the Royal Arch Exhibit on the 5th Floor...
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this is gonna be campy shit ...
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The points brought up about Indy in Raiders are all true, of course, but I believe the most valuable point is being missed by many, namely that his heroism comes from the fact that he's "making it up as he goes along", regardless of the odds and regardless of the setbacks. He's a classic underdog hero who will keep fighting his enemies no matter how outnumbered he is or even if he ultimately loses the prize. Who cares if he didn't permanently steal the ark away from the Nazis? He made a damn good show of it and kicked unholy ass along the way. What's not to love? What's not heroic about that?
The fact that he more or less "fails" in Raiders makes him even more endearing as a character. This is not to say that I don't enjoy it when he achieves a resounding victory, as in TOD, but Indy's flaws as well as his strengths are what make him INDIANA FUCKIN' JONES. -
this movie looks awful.Not CRASH awful, but just feeble-like Spielberg and Lucas(who OVIOUSLY DON'T need to make this film) throwing an aging hasbeen(Ford)a very big bone.Ford, you're a badass, you should've just left it alone. now, look what you went and did.
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He's taking on the fucking Nazis. That's the point of the character. He gets into situations that he can't possibly handle. That doesn't make Raiders a lesser film. He did however beat Belloq, who was his real rival.
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Jan 30, 2008 6:35:41 PM CST
Question...Did Spielberg only cast Cate cuz he wanted the poon?
by conspiracy
If so....makes ya wonder bout Shia....hmmmmmm
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you're perfectly within your rights to think 2001 sucked. my point is you inserted your opinion into a conversation that had nothing to do with what you were talking about. so i repeat, next time, ask first, and maybe then your opinion will be respected.
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Not the bazooka!
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Dude, you'd make Robert Holmes smile if he were still alive. Venusian Aikido, eh? So I suppose The Doctor taught that lost martial art to The Batman at some point, eh? And the eternal fight within another dimension was yet another nice Holmes-ish touch. Touche. For those that don't know what I'm referencing, look up Doctor Who, baby.
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Or you could just go look at it online. Kinda cool. I guess. http://www.gwmemorial.org/tours/5_RoyalArch.html
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Make sure to remove the space.
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Pretentious douchebag.
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i'm a douchebaguette. again, if you'd paid attention, you'd know i'm a woman. get your facts straight.
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Douchebaguette.
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I don't know if the Nazis pushed him or if he does it on purpose, but you clearly see Rhys-Davies take a tumble down the hill when they're telling him to get away from the Well of the Souls. That was hilarious, kind of like the door hitting the Stormtrooper on the head in Star Wars.
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nice, pointing out the underdog quality of indy's character. i always thought harrison ford's best characterizations played into that - the 'failing hero', like han solo, yada yada. the audience relates to the anti-hero...he shows us our own fallacies, and how we might overcome them...
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hey han cholo, i've always wanted to ask - did you know there's a company here in LA called 'han cholo'? they make awesome belt buckles and shit that look like blasters and stuff.
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Haha! I love that Sallah bit! It's like his knees just suddenly turn to rubber and he collapses pathetically. I always figured it was on purpose and that Sallah was just trying to figure out new ways to stall.
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Find the Ark of the Covenant for the United States government.
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I was a young lad of about 11 when Raiders came out. Between 1981-84 I choked the chicken with Karen Allen and Kate Capshaw being subjected to various heinous activities in my brain. Elsa Schneider didn't do anything for me seven years later. Then again, she didn't need to do anything for me, because by then I had a stable of beyotchas.
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look at that greaser douche... so out of place.
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when xi comes roaring up on his ducati and kicks up gravel in the punks' faces!wait a sec, kurt. are you saying that the MJF makes 'bttf' dated?! in his acid washed jeans and rad 80s do that he carried right over from 'teen wolf'?! how dare you shit on that paean of timelessness!!! ok, ok, i kid, i kid. but i'm not kidding about the acid wash, that is some bad business there.
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i know who was a virgin longer. yes, Temple. the same twits that worship Goonies. Raiders is the Ruler.
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Think that says it all really.
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though we've endured 7 years of George W. Douche, it's still a free country where a man(or a virgin)can voice his opinion on which Indy movie is indeed the best...now back to the porn!
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same trick goes with the 3 different ways folks spell Beeyatches.
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Didn't even need no "Indiana Jones and..." to preface it, even though Stevie S. pulled a George Lucas and retconned the title for the DVD. But we all know what the REAL title still is. Just like we all know that the first Star Wars movie was, indeed, "Star Wars."
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LMAO!
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Of course it doesn't. But this is AICN. If we can't nitpick every single thing to death and then beat the body to a bloody pulpy mass, then what's the point of us being here?
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where a film student accuses someone of pretentious snobbery? By the way, how are you doing, Occala? Everything going okay in your world? And to whomever thinks that Raiders is anything but THE best Jones film...well, I guess I don't really have to say anything, do I? That sort of opinion speaks for itself, doesnt it?
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That shoot out at Marion's bar is still one of the all time best. Despite everything that's come along since (e.g. James Cameron movies, MATRIX films, BLADE, Jason Bourne) there's something about that scene that seems to transcend the genre.
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The huge horse/car/truck chase sequence. Have yet to see any chase sequence better than that one.
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That mag is really shit these days! They even admit to arguing amongst themselves as to whether Raiders is better than the Last Crusade!? WTFck!? they need to sack all the Crusaders and start filling their vapid rag full of interesting stuff to read instead of having really cool covers with mostly Perfume and wank line adverts!and any mag that does two reviews of the Fountain giving it a 1star rating and saying it's shit then giving another 5star rating saying it's genius must really know it's movies!
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i'm generally hunky-dory, thx for asking. hope you're swell and your evening (or afternoon or wherever you are) is going better than mine, i am sewing costumes and cursing the day i was born.i personally love how the shootout at marion's bar has no score behind it. just silence, so we can hear all the grunting and indy hissing 'whisky!'
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No not the shitty NFL team comprised of guys with "thug life" tattooed on there chests, definitely not those degenerates of society. I'm talking about Raiders Of The Lost Ark...like I actually had to spell it out to you geeks. Anyway, there really was something amazing about that movie. Something that could never be done again, kind of like Star Wars episode IV. Temple was decent, and Crusade was watchable. But Raiders is one of those flicks that I can watch over and over again. Actually Empire strikes back was pretty damn good. Here's hoping that those two geeks that teamed up again for this movie don't embarrass themselves. Here's hoping this movie rocks. I have my fingers crossed, and yes, not matter what the reviews say, I'll be seeing it on the big screen. My 62" plasma after I download a pirated copy of the screener DVD off the internet...totally kidding, I'd never do that. I have faith that this movie deserves to be seen in theaters on the big screen.
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Short Round-best sidekick
Capshaw-best jugs
Belloq-best villain
Marion-best love interest
Elsa-tightest ass.
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"shorty, chao chi latsu sansa" "hang on lady, we going for a ride" "omg omg is he nuts?" "he no nuts he CRAZY". The whole scene is unreally hardcore once i pondered over its realities for many minutes. And what's up with people ragging on Temple? Are you guys serios? Take a look at Last Cankerousade for the stalest, goofiest, self-parody thing ever. You know that girl in there? I don't either becuase she was an air-space nobody. At leats Kate Capshaw had a fucking personality. And Indy seemed different from the cynical fucker in the 1st two, like neutered or something. I'll always say Temple had the spirit of Raiders even if it didnt have the logic. Crusade had some logic, but was void of spirit or heart. There ARE no standout or iconic scenes from Crusade. Let me just google image Indy jones and find the bajillion pics of Ford on that bridge with sword in hand. ICONISTRY.
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Just sayin...
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But I'm having a hard time getting excited about this. Probably because I'm afraid GL's fat daughter will show up in the background somewhere wearing blue makeup.
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Jan 30, 2008 9:43:05 PM CST
RIGHTO PROSSOR. AND I RAN "SHORTY CHAO CHI LATSU SANSA"
by bringingsexyback
through Babelfish and here's the translation:
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he does a decent job, but there is something about him I just plain don't like
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Jan 30, 2008 9:47:47 PM CST
Bridge Scene in Temple of Doom - quite possibly the greatest
by proman1984
Bridge Scene in Temple of Doom - quite possibly the greatest scene ever. Certainly the greatest adventure scene ever.
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That sequence says alot about how things are done today in this reboot/remake-mania craze. As many film geeks know, that sequence was inspired by a scene from STAGECOACH. Instead of a watered down copy (e.g. prequels, re-boots), Spielberg, Lucas, and Kasdan took it to another level.
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But Temple also carries a lot of baggage, too. Two, count them two, annoying sidekicks and a pretty weak maguffin (ooooh--rocks). Also, Crusades has Connery, a plus in my view.
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the stunt work was amAZEing.
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About Indy as a character. Props to DocPaz for pointing it out, and props to you for giving props to him. Liberal amounts of props, all around.
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I hate it when people don't see what's admirable in a character or a person if they don't "succeed" according to their own pointy-headed definitions.
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let's take a moment to recognize our general radness. how's your day, 'cho? i just spilled grapefruit soda all over the floor, myself.
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My day? Well, now that you asked, it was a tough day of overtime, but wasn't too bad. At least I didn't spill sticky grapefruit soda on the floor. Was it on carpet or tile? By the way, I didn't know they even made grapfruit soda. It sounds like it actually might be good, and for that the spillage has hit me doubly hard. My thoughts and prayers are with you in this time of crisis. Which leads me to my next question...what is Indy's favourite non-alcoholic beverage? I'm going to go with water. But not that fucking bottled kind.
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i got it all over the wood floor. and i'm too lazy to actually clean it so i just used my sleeve to sort of haphazardly wipe at it. aren't i revolting?i bet indy wouldn't say no to a glass of cranberry juice. after all, i bet his girlfriend drinks it when she's got her period.
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Sold.And yes. You disgust me.I can see Indy downing a glass of the ol' red, (yeah I know nobody calls it the ol' red) but like he was taking a double shot of straight bourbon.
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I too, was unaware of the existence of grape-fruit juice soda. As for what drink Indiana Jones would choose, besides alcohol, I would have to say Coffee. He strikes me as a coffee sort of man.Of course, when he has to rough it, he prefers a special blend of south american snake vine and Commandment dust, home-brewed to perfection.
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By the way, is your name in any way related to the Michael Swanwick short story?
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9 our of 10 nazis prefer Commandment coffee.
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is that a britishism? me like. me also like cranberry mixed with other juices, like peach.and now that i've officially run that train of chat off the rails and into a crowd of bystanders that includes a grandmother, a child prodigy and a guy who's about to cure cancer, what else can we talk about?
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I took it some time ago due to the fact that my wife bears a more-than-passing resemblence to Sally Fields.
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Is a New England cranberry juice colloquialism, which had its heydey around 11:10pm Central Time Zone on January 30th, 2008 in an Indiana Jones Talkback, but has since fallen into disuse. (In other words I made it up.)Occula, you may have officially run that train of talkback chat off the rails, but you made me laugh out loud in describing the process, and so are forgiven.
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But I think he would drink it black, like me. And Sally Field = hot. I hope that will be taken in the complimentary manner with which it was intended.
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We can "squeeze" from that line of chat, anyway.
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you comedian, you. and do you mean you drink your coffee black, or you are black? waka waka waka.
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"...Everything above the waist." Man, I should be in the Ratner talkback. I hate that guy, and yet I am quoting his movies.
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I had a coworker that never saw Raiders. Can you fucking believe it? I open-palm slapped him.
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Crusade captured the spirit of Raiders far better than Temple of Doom. I love TOD, I loved that it was so different yet still felt like an Indy film. I also love that TOD took a much darker and scarier route than Raiders (although it was the campiest of the films).
Crusade is the smarter and deeper film of the bunch. I would even say Crusade had the most heart of the three films; it's the only Indy film that carries an emotional punch to it. The dynamic between Connery and Ford is simply classic. -
Indy would give the finger to those fruity ass skim mocha things that cost like twenty-six dollars. Can't even pronounce them. That's how fruity they are.
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I should have. I settled for slapping him like a bitch, to avoid a more serious misdemeanor in front of witnesses. I'll catch him in the parking lot with an ultimatum though. Watch it, or there's gonna be some staplin'. Your choice.
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Yummo AND Delish! Quickilicious too.
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So I can only assume Indy would, too. Xiphos is correct about Indy opening up on thos cafe late fruities. Besides, everyone knows that black coffee puts hair on your chest and steam in your stride. Or is that the other way around?
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Cool ...!
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That's insane!
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Raiders was just the practice run. TOD embodied Indy's true promise - demons, slavery, mysticism, evil priest, sacred rocks, Shanghai car chase, mine car chase, falling from plane on a raft ... omg that's a long list and I barely skimmed the surface.
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xi i dig your turn of phrase. i myself have kept from stating my personal preference but maybe it's time to come out of the closet. 'raiders' is just about one of my favorite things in the world, much less favorite movies. it's the reason i went to armenia on an archaeological dig. it's the reason i still make films; if i can make something one-hundredth as rousing, as well-shot, as well-designed and well-paced, then i've done my job. maybe i should just marry it. hahaaha i'm 12 years old!
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Unfortunately I must go sleeptime soon, not to mention I polluted this TB quite enough this afternoon (some people don't like that)...
Is Fresca a grapefruit soda? I never noticed! And yeah, I love Fresca. Quite a fruity drink. -
i wanna be in the overnight crew. as it is, i'm only in the late evening crew. i am weak sauce.bsb, thanks for standing behind your preference for 'tod' without slinging hash. in honor of your respectful attitude, i'll let you in on my grapefruit soda secret. you can get it at regular grocery stores - hansen's brand or, yes, the lovely ghetto fresca - but the best stuff comes from trader joe's or whole foods, italian soda in a big bottle. yep, i've fully asserted my gheyity now.
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but I do loves me some Fresca. Better than Sprite - too sweet. And you wanna know gheyity? Try Pellegrino's mandarin orange sparkling water. You gotta peel some colorful foil off the can before opening. That's GAY. But delish!
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Did I mention I hate bottled water? I'm sorry, but I have the same opinion as my main dude, Lewis Black:http://tinyurl.com/2snemz
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at the thought of delicious sparkly orangey water. jesus christ, occula, get a grip.actually i SHOULD be staying up all night on this job but i ain't getting paid enough, so frak that. i leave it to you, xi, to carry the torch. remember, sooner or later, we're making t-shirts.
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A History of Violence just finished and that's my cue ... say hi to the Euro folks for me!
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and off she goes in a toilet-bowl swirl of grapefruity pee pee!
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And yes, my glock always runs smooth. That goes for my sidearm, too ;) How are you fairing on this evening? As for the night crew on this board, if you people need to start drinking more black coffee and less of that latte espresso fairy juice you could easily pull an all-nighter or two. Where I come from, coffee was considered gourmet when it was brewed with a pinch of salt--navy style. Still, I prefer it black.And yes, Indiana Jones drinks his coffee as hot as the flames of God's wrath and as black as a nazi's soul.
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I wonder if a toilet-bowl swirl of grapefruity pee pee would made a good maguffin for Indy 5...
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"Hold on... She's still talkin'"
"Hold on... She's still talkin'"
or
"Wait a minute... I'm with the band."
"Wait a minute... I'm an old friend."
"Wait a minute... I'm here to fix the lights."
Man, I had fun with that game. I loved all the LucasArts stuff, and I'm completely boggled as to why we don't get a 21st century episode of Maniac Mansion/Day of the Tentacle. -
RUN FOR YOUR LIVES THE AMERICAN HAS A BAZOOKA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Shia LeBeouf is going to fucking ruin this movie. Give us a lone Indy like 'Raiders' or an Indy with a female friend, ok, but please, stop giving us these 25 year old college coverboy sidekicks! We don't want or fucking need them!
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I got your Short Round right here, pal!
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What's the big deal? How quickly they forget. What up Moondog? Haven't seen you for a while. Of course Henry Jones Sr. is civilised and drinks tea. ;)
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Hell yes I do.
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But he didn't use it. In this one he probably gets to use it.
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Yes. Add it to the list. (and no bitching about how Russian RPGs and Nazi anti-tank guns are "totally different"
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Oh sí
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What? He did it already? Damn!
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Don't forget the Whip and the Jacket and the Gun.
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Portman is a crappy actress, but hoo boy what a photo.
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You understand.
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I'll leave that to you precious few who love having heads up their asses and shit in their skulls. I'm sure you'll do just fine continuing your jacking off to PJ hobbit porn you dripping cunt. Until you can come up with something more original please stick to your balls across the nose lifestyle shit stain and the next time I want your opinion I'll jerk your chain shit nugget.
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this is painful to say, but you are spot on about empire. useless piece of shit magazine. However, you've since descended to your usual pointy headedness again.
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Yall hear that? Bitch got served.
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Of the triolgy, yes trilogy, this 4th film is a milking of the cash cow..nothing more, it rates like this:
Raiders 1st
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I meant Temple captured Raiders certain energy. Crusade was pretty damn flat and tired, going through the motions. It was similar in Raiders if your talking plot structure-wise. Otherwise it had the opening by someone who's not Ford, that glum score, villains out of a Mel Brooks movie.
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Oh. Whoa. Mmmhhh.... Now that other pic of Spalko holding a sword on Indy's throat is great. That's actually Indy. And ...as a nice reminder of what day is today, Mikhail stands right behind him. All the other promo images weren't really bad but they lacked some spirit and atmosphere. This pic doesn't. Maybe because it dares to show more than a reaction of an actor, I don't know, but it's giving me hope.
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But that Bazooka ... the sad signs of "Indyish" element mining continue to reveal themselves.
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just as I knew you weren't about the bazooka. That's the pointyheadedness I was referring to. It doesn't make you less right about Empire BTW. For a real laugh check out their ratings for the prequel trilogy and Emmerich films. They are the worst reviewers in the universe- they make harry look good.
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Yes, very similar to a bazooka in that the round is self-propelled as opposed to an artillery round fired from a tube. I know, so's a bazooka but that has, basically, a rocket motor. Fucking Kommie weapon any way you look at it and a favorite weapon of FREEDOM HATERS (heh-heh) around the globe. What's Indiana doing with that? It's un-Uhmerikan I tells ya.
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Empire Magazine,I mean.
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They originally gave it 4*, and AOTC 5* on the basis that they gave TPM 4. At least now they've downgraded it. In a few years it will be down to 2 and then 1 and when that happens they'll say "but we never gave it 4 in the first place".
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does John Williams ever make cameo's in his films?
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not a sidekick-kid. But they'd probably ruin that too and make it some kind of super-dog who understands everything it's told to do and obeys unerringly.
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the Vince Vaughn joke TB appears to be gone, and I was hoping to copy some of those.
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...that's on the 5th floor of the Masonic Temple. Trust me, you want to see the murals on the walls.
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Real pic, not photoshopped: http://tinyurl.com/33w7wu
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Real pic, not photoshopped: http://tinyurl.com/33w7wu
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Real pic, not photoshopped: http://tinyurl.com/33w7wu
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Oh, I love it when you talk dirty...
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...if Indy uses a revolver in this movie. He totally used one in Raiders, which makes using one in this film proof that the filmmakers have no imagination.
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This movie has the most fucked up Advertising campaign of any
by proman1984
Major movie in ever. Seriously, it's almost friggin' February and they give us another picture? What's amazing about it is that I know for a fact they are doing it on purpose. I dunno, it's all very strange, still can't wait for the trailer though.
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for a teaser trailer, then a real one? I mean, it's only three months away or so.
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I disagree with you guys on three main points. 1) That Raiders has a shitty hero's journey 2)That Indy "fails" 3) That Indy is an ineffectual protagonist. 1) Here is the hero's journey for Raiders.Ordinary World: South America 1936/University scene. Here is we get all the set ups of the adventure and see what the "ordinary world is of the hero". We set up that it is an action/adventure movie, Indy is afraid of snakes. His ordinary world is one where he is obsessed with getting the big relic. He's an adventurer and a professor. He confused over his student's infatuation with him and in the jungle scene we see he's often in over his head. Also during this section we introduce the antagonist or "shadow" which is Belloq.Call to Adventure: Army intelligence dudes tell Indy about the Ark. We get the major dramatic question which is "Will Indy overcome Belloq and find the Ark of the Covenant". We also get the inner dramatic question that shapes the character arc which is, "Will Indy overcome Belloq and find his humanity."Refusal of the Call: Indy is in his robe, kind of worried about the upcoming adventure.Mentor stage: Sometimes the mentor (which can be a person or an event) gives the hero a kick in the butt to go on the journey if he is a reluctant hero. If it is a willing hero, like Indy, it often comes in the form of a warning. In Raiders, Marcus warns Indy about the Ark.Crossing the Threshold: This is where the hero crosses from the Ordinary World to the world of adventure. The Hero often falls on his face in this section. In Raiders, the map with the red line and the scene with Marion in Nepal. The hero literally kicks punched in the face by Marion. Act II: Tests, Allies, and Enemies section. This is where the hero learns new skills and faces three escalating challenges. First Complication: Indy comes back into the bar and rescues Marion from the Nazis. Second complication: The Market sequence. Third Complication: Meeting with Belloq and surviving the poisoned dates.Approach to the Inmost Cave: This is the pause before the big battle that is often the magical part of the story. In Raiders, it's when Indy finds the spot to the well of souls in the map room and reunites with Marion.Supreme Ordeal : This is the major crisis of the movie where it's the group fighting together and where often times the hero behaves his worst. This starts right after Indy leaves Marion tied up, continues on into the Well of Souls, includes the escape from there, beating up the giant Nazi, and going after the truck.The Reward: The Hero gets what they have been going after. For the outer major dramatic question, Indy gets the ark. For the inner major dramatic question, Indy and Marion hook up.The Road Back: The hero now has the reward and is going home but the enemy is chasing him. It's the magical flight of the story. That's literally what is going on in Raiders, they are heading back home on the boat when the Nazi's capture it. Indy gets onto the U-boat.Resurrection: The hero faces the antagonist one on one. The antagonist reappears stronger than ever. The Hero is reborn/learns his lesson, faces the final conflict, and beats the antagonist. Indy threatens to destroy the Ark and Belloq but can't because of its historical signficance. The Ark is opened. Indy chooses not to look.The Elixir stage. This is when the hero returns back to the tribe with the lesson he learned. This is the "Top Men" scene and the ark is taken away. Indy cares about history but not power. 2) So that's pretty much a great hero's journey structure. Indy does not fail. Yes, he doesn't end up fighting Belloq with his fists or destroying the Nazi's with a machine gun but that's not the point. He succeeds because he saves his humanity. The cool thing about the movie is how close Belloq and Indy are to each other. And they even say it in the movie, something like "You are a shadow irreflection of me. One push and you would be just like me." So at the end, Indy has changed. He doesn't care about knowing the secret of the ark and gaining power with it like Belloq does. He only cares about its place in history, and more importantly he has learned to love someone else as much as he loves history. So he finds his humanity. He does not fail at all. He succeeds. 3) Indy is not an ineffectual protagonist. He is constantly an agent of change. It's all about the race to find the Ark with the assumption that whoever wins first will become invincible. The stakes here are huge. Knowing that the Ark destroys whoever opens it does not negate everything that Indy has done. Because, how the hell could he have known that? It's all about trying to get there first. Just because at the end the McGuffin changes doesn't make Indy an ineffectual protagonist. By the way, I love Raiders of the Lost Ark.
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Mosquito, there's very little chance any of us are getting to the Memorial. Would you mind describing the murals? Just curious.
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I take great honor in being in the night crew here at aintitcool. Can't promise I'll be here every night but that's the way it goes. Somedays I have a life and somedays not so much.
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Two rumors about this movie I haven't heard enough on. The idea that the teaser is Younger Indy and Abner Ravenwood. If true, how do they pull off an Indy-in-his-prime at this point? And the other notion of the Close Encounter aliens making a cameo. Yeah, the bazooka vs RPG thing is riveting, but these are the two issues I want to know about. Any idea, links, etc.?
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That which has no life?
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On the fifth floor, where they keep their recreation of the Ark of the Covenant, they murals on the walls that feature a priest wearing ceremonial garb identical to that which Belloq wears at the opening of the Ark. And the bearers in the murals are carrying an Ark that more closely resembles the one in the film than the recreation. Interestingly, the artist who painted these also painted nearly all of the other murals in the building - prior to his death in 1982. I'd love to know if the film inspired the artist, or if the artist inspired the film.
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...and agree that Indy is the instrument that puts the Ark in the hands of the US government (although re-losing the Ark to history when it's relegated to the warehouse is still not technically a "win" for Indy), and that on a character level, his humanity is saved, etc. But, if we're talking about the action on-screen - the actual nuts-and-bolts of the plot - Indy still has zero effect on Belloq's ultimate plans. Belloq gets the Ark, Belloq blows himself up. It was always going to happen, even if Indy wasn't there.
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That's pretty cool. Thanks. (Let's not rule out the possibility that the Ark isn't a recreation at all. You know those masons....)
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All the pictures from the film look like it's made for television! EVERYONE of them looks cheap. Like the one of them inside the temple really does look like it was taken at disneyland. The first film had a realism to it. From the acting to the sets...everything in Raiders looked real, therefore when the fantastic/over the top scenes came, they became real too. But, TOD and LC had this new one has a fake look, and has lost any sense of realism. They seem more for kids...than the adult oriented RAIDERS.
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But before I get tot hat, I caveat it by saying I do agree with your analysis and that Raiders ia my all-time favorite movie. That said, YES, Indy really does nothing but "help" the Nazis throughout Raiders, most often because he's "making it up as he goes along." But, the kicker is that at the end INDY is still alive to take possession of the Ark when all the Nazis are dead. Without Indy on this adventure, the Ark remains on an island that was under Nazi control. I know there's an argument whether any Nazis were alive on another part of the island after the Ark was opened. And, if you beleive that, then it's hard to deny the logic that the Ark would have still been in Nazi hands if Indy had not been there. Thus, Indy merely being there and surviving the "opening" is how the Nazis fail to keep the Ark when all is said and done. If Indy wasn't there, someone would have eventually come to the island (or fromt he other side if you beleive there were other Nazis still alive) to check on the guys who never came back and they would have found the Ark just sitting there. With Indy there, he is able to get it out of Nazi possession. Thus, Indy DOES save the Ark in the end. That's all I wanted to say. Sorry it was a bit long-winded.
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Everyone stop it. Raiders of the Lost Ark is a good movie, but stop acting like it is perfect in any way. You know why it is untouchable to you? Because you were a kid when you first saw it. As sad as it is to admit it...NO movie will ever again give you that feeling again. Also- judging this film's realism/acting based on photos taken on set is retarded.
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I suppose that's true. I'm just saying that they could not have possibly known that when they started the adventure. And the outcome does not negate the journey. If indy has never gone after the ark, he might have never found his humanity. It's kind of like a relationship. Just because it ends in a breakup (and would always end in a breakup because you aren't compatible) does not mean it was a waste of time, right? Because you learn from the relationship. You learn about your own flaws, your strengths, and what kind of person would work better with you. So it's not like it was a waste of time for old Dr. Jones.
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In fact, what most of the longer posts have said was that, essentially, DESPITE it's flaws, it's a great film. And there are at least a few I count here who did not see Raiders as a "kid".
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I grew up in VA and lived near Alexandria for 8 years (my fiance worked just a few blocks from the Temple), but I had no idea that was all there on the inside. Thanks for the links, etc., gents.
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This "life" I speak of? I heard about it from this one guy. It was my dad I think. He kept going on and on about how I need to get one. A life that is. I just kind of nodded and said I would get one as soon as I could. But truthfully I think he has dementia or something. A "life". HA! That's funny
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Raiders IS a great film. Just watched it again this weekend. I guess I can't stand comparing the two films before we've even seen moving footage from this one. I saw Jurassic Park when I was ten years old and have been going to the movies ever since hoping to re-capture that feeling. It's probably not gonna happen.
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you gotta love it. that explains why he was so eager
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"I can't stand comparing the two films before we've even seen moving footage from this one." yes, me too. But you know that's how folks roll on AICN and all around the Interweb. Plus with the excitment of a new Indy movie it's impossible not to have adoration for Raiders come up in conversation. Heck, the back and forth on a film like Raiders is one of the reasons I even come here.
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I contacted Frank Marshall's people and they confirmed that they DID have those beetles "pre-cut" for that scene inthe film. Apparently they tried a take where the guy had to forcefully crack it open, but the bug guts exploded onto Kate Capshaw across the table. She was so grossed out by it, she turned to Jonathan Ke Quan and said, "Gimme your hat. I'm going to throw up in it." Steven loved the impromptu line so much, he put it in the movie.
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Buy the fedora when they were a kid? I went the extra step and got a whip and taught myself how to crack it like a pro.
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I was born in DC, spent my first 20 years in Arlington, and used to hang out on the steps of the Temple with friends for the night view of Old Town and DC in the old days, and *I* didn't realize all that stuff was in there until a trip back home last October. The place always looked deserted to me. But, I happened to be standing on the steps with my camera at 3 in the afternoon in front of the main entrance, trying to get a good shot, and a very old man in a blue blazer materialized next to me (scaring the hell out of me) and told me I'd get a better shot if I took the tour. I was thrilled by the prospect of going into this place for the first time in my life, so I stuck around and took the tour, and it was incredible. I've always been fascinated by Freemasonry, and that tour presented a better look at the realities of it than any book I've read on the subject. And, their collection of George Washington artifacts is surprisingly substantial. They don't even have that much Washington loot on display at the Smithsonian. And, the view from the top of the Temple is the best view of the DC area that you'll find. And then, to find that mural that directly ties into RAIDERS was a shocker. Anybody that can go, should go. I'll be going back myself the next time I'm up there.
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The film isn't called Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark. You ahve to remember that the film was originally called Raiders of the Lost Ark because Indy is a raider himself--he's just less evil than the Nazis. The point of the film is that the raiders, whether its Indy or the Nazis and/or Belloch, fight each other for the prize and are ultimately judged by G-d at the end. That's all it is. Its a very simple plot, folks, which is what makes it so accessible.It was only in the sequels did we ever treat Indy as THE HERO/RESCUER/Savior rather than just some smoe in over his head.
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Sure, its a great maguffin, but the film is about the Raiders and their fight with one another. In the end, Indy wins because he's left standing while everyone else is dead. And truly, arent those the best endings ever? The ones where our hero, despite his valiance and courage, finally gets caught and imprisoned by the villain and is only saved at the last second through cunning and/or luck? Stories like LOTR, Memmory Sorrow and Thorn, Star Wars, and wheel of time novels all have similar endings. And why are they so memorable? Because our hero is pretty much fuckee-fuckeed; he has no way out. That's why its suspenseful and that is why we cheer and gasp at the last minute save. To say that Raiders has a flawed hero's journey is just asenine. May as well say that Frodo wasn't our hero cause Gollum tripped. Yeesh.
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We saw his beginning, and reconciliation with his father
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The ghost of Joseph Campbell, of whom George Lucas was a noted follower, would disagree. Indy is very clearly fulling the role of protagonist/hero. That's why we want him to win, and are disappointed when he does not.
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It wasn't luck that saved Indy. He made the choice not to look into the ark. It was not a deux ex machina. Pretty close. But not quite.
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It was strength of character.
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I know--in your world, the film is called Indiana Jones and Raiders of the Lost Ark and therefore, Indy needs to win the ark and anything less makes him a dissapointment. Well, guess what? In all of the Indy movies, Indy loses the maguffin. The man is perenially searching for his pot of gold. As for Joseph Campbell references, congratulations on being the fiteenth gazillion internet nerd who brings up his name at the drop of a hat; I tip my hat at your education. The fact remains, however, that Indy is indeed a raider of the lost ark, and just because he loses the ark does not mean he is a failure. Such examples as Frodo's save via Gollum's clumsiness, Luke's save via last-minute Vader twist only prove my point and disprove the entire notion that the hero needs his maguffin or a clear victory through his own might.
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The point is that "raiders fight each other and are judged by God?" I don't think that's the point. That's not really a "point" anyway. It is about Indy. If you take away his character's inner struggle there is literally nothing left but a hollow movie filled with cool action scenes. We are invested in Indy's journey, both the outward journey for the Ark and his innward journey for his humanity. You are right in that ultimately it is not about the Ark. The Ark is just a metaphor or a McGuffin that reveals something about the characters and through them says something about mankind. Again, one of the most interesting things about Indy is how close the hero is to the shadow. The "raiders" are not that different after all. But by the end of the film, we can see that the gap between them has widened just enough. It would have been interesting to see a movie showing Belloq's journey. It would be a tragedy of course, but a good one.
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just not in a way we expect. He wins it by giving it up, which is a thread that runs through the trilogy. His mission was to retrieve the ark, not own it or possess its powers. That's what he wanted but ultimately gives up. It is not a "no" to the major dramatic question. It is a "yes", but...
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by not giving into the dark side. That motivates Vader do kill Emperor Palpatine and sacrifice himself. Therefore, Luke's choice causes him to achieve his goal.
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in a way we do not expect. Which is what makes it a cool ending.
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I was only throwing in that bit about luck and/or cunning as examples of last minute victories by protaganists. Indy did indeed win due to forsight and character.What kinda irks me about the whole debate is the seeming disreguard for the plethora of fiction out there that disproves the whole notion of a hero getting his pot of gold. And then, to top it all off, someone whips out a campbell reference as some sort of defense when campbell has nothing to do with it.If you guys want a real education, try reading a chunk of fantasy genre books. Nearly all of them have an ending in which our hero is captured/imprisoned in such a way as it is impossible to escape, and only the quick thinking of our hero allows him to escape alive or pull some weird bait-and-switch. Just off the top of my head, Wizard's first rule, all Tad Williams climaxes, Lord of the Rings (although thats more deux ex machina), Lion, witch, and the warddrobe, most of Dean Koontz's endings, such as Watchers or The Face, and Stephen King's The Stand, It, Dark Tower, and a bunch more. And thats just popular fiction. All kinds of examples, friends, point out that our hero doesn't really get his pot of gold and/or barely survives by the skin of his teeth.
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Thats what makes those endings so great. In the end, our hero is in some real deep trouble, but he does remain victorious due to something unexpected and surprising.
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In a good movie/novel/play/comic book/story the character gets what they want but in a way the audience does not expect. Sometimes it's worse, like a tragedy. Think Hamlet. Does he kill Claudius? Yes, but at an insane cost. Comedies often end better than we expect. Usually weddings :)
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I never said he had to have the Ark in his living room to "win". But, Indy goes after the Ark because of its historical importance. He and Marcus are both under the impression that the museum gets the Ark when it's found. However, at the end of the film, the Ark is boxed up and shipped off to some anonymous government warehouse, where nobody will ever see it again. Indy wanted the Ark for the museum, and he is denied that. And he is clearly not happy about it in the meeting, and as he descends the stairs exclaiming "Fools, bureaucratic fools! They don't know what they've got there." The only upbeat aspect of the ending of that film is that Marion is still with him. That's it. Apart from that, it's a loss for archaeology, and for Indy, as the Ark finds its way into the hands of yet another military machine that doesn't appreciate its true purpose.
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Let's make out.
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What the fuck is this - Brokeback Talkback? Or, is one of you female? If that's the case, you can't both be right, because one of you is a woman.
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But i was imagining moondoggy as natalie portman so it wasn't brokeback.
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Yes, the US government has the Ark. But that was never under his power anyways. More importantly though, he gets the girl. Until Crusade, where apparently he has moved on to blonde Nazis. That pisses me off.
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Just imagine her six two, 250lbs, with short black hair and a beard. So long as you do that, the resemblence is uncanny ;)
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Besides, whenever I agree with someone a lot, I have the urge to make out with them, too. Why, I make out with myself on a regular basis.
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Yummy.
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Must prepare for Lost extravaganza.
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Can I imagine you are Natalie Portman and Jessica Alba and pay you $10 bucks to watch? ($1000 for a BJ from Occula in the other Indy TB or $100 to watch her give one is just too steep for me.)
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That's rad, man. I'm gonna have to try and get a tour when next in DC. My grandfather was a Mason. After he had passed I started wondering if I could have ever been one or if I was SOL b/c my Dad wasn't.
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too bad it won't survive the night.
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You and I seem to be keeping em' both alive.
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I'm totally supposed to be doing work, but damn these AICN talkbacks for reeling me back in just when I thought I was done.
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I just need to closer the browser window and concentrate...but I....can't!
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Supposedly it was already shipped with something in the fall (Beowulf?), then pulled at the very last second. I can understand that maybe they suddenly weren't happy with it (why, though?), but that was months ago. Why the delay now?
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but that ain't saying much.
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I couldn't just let it end on 599, now could I?
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You just gave me too good an opportunity to pass up. I have actually enjoyed this whole round of discussion more than any other on AICN in recent times, and I think it's great that something as seemingly simple as an action/adventure yarn can stir passionate debate after 27 years. Let's hope that the new one can keep that passion alive.
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I am worried now that Frank Marshall stated that SKULL is 'closer in tone to CRUSADE' cause the latter was a lightweight, campy romp devoid of a decent villain, decent action scenes, and anti climactic. f you enjoy comical Nazis crashing their planes into tunnels, rat infested sewers burning up, the 'Junior!' shtick between Connery and Ford, Indy taking out three Nazis with one bullit, and a scaled down climax involving one armored and an old templar asking our heroes to the holy grail cup 'wisely' then I dont know what to tell you. My favorite was RAIDERS, the occult elements were great and the action was gritty and at times bloody (the Indy-thug fight in front of the plane) and the horse-vehicle chase, etc. TEMPLE OF DOOM had a memorable villain, was action-packed and dark, - its a much more replayable enjoyable flick than CRUSADE (which seemed like a smaller scaled, campier version than RAIDERS - although I enjoyed the River Phoenix opening). CRYSTAL SKULL is already 'locked' - the onyl thing missing is the John Williams score - lets hope Marshall was mistaken and the flick is closer to RAIDERS, but I have a feeling Spielberg enjoys his star-studded-lighthearted romps way more than the edgy flicks he used to make.
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sure ain't because of a flood of posts since last night tho!
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Feb 01, 2008 12:04:29 PM CST
i can't wait to hear what Williams is cooking up for Indy IV
by finky089
I was a little disappointed with some of the work on the SW prequels, esp Sith, where I had hoped for more "dark" Empirical themes, particular reprises of the Emperor's Throne Room from Jedi. Hopefulyl we'll get a decent fill of the "Raiders March" in Indy IV.
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the Airplane fight, followed by the Truck Chase from Raiders. That is, without any questionable doubt, the single greatest one-two punch of action sequences ever commited to celluloid.
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caricatures of both Sallah and the fucking camels, and Brodie's English professor-bumbling and ineptitude (it even ruins the ride into the sunset). But yes River ruled.
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Agreed. This was a fun talkback. Also has the virtue of being my first talkback, so that worked out well.
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