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Guillermo Del Toro To Direct Back-To-Back Features from THE HOBBIT!?!?!
Hey folks, Harry here... In the geek community for quite some time, the rumor has been that Guillermo Del Toro was going to be directing THE HOBBIT. The day that the announcement came that Peter Jackson was playing nice with New Line - and that Weta was going to be handling the fx - and everyone was a happy family again... I was talking to Guillermo about some personal issues (the Lapband operation, Guillermo had one quite a while back, and has been encouraging me to take that step. Which I am) - and during that conversation - he suddenly brought up THE HOBBIT and how he wanted to direct it and how he thought it was going to happen. Well now - the trades are reporting on it. I saw the story up this morning on Hollywood Reporter's Story - the writing on this project has not been OFFICIALLY decided yet, due to the Writer's strike, but apparently Jackson and Guillermo will oversee the script's creation. They're saying $150 million per film... and I just wonder... is Ron Perlman going to be the voice of Smaug? And will Gollum suddenly become a man in a costume via Doug Jones? (of course not, Andy Serkis will be back) But you KNOW that Doug Jones is gonna be something awesome in this. When Guillermo and I talked about it, he spoke very heartfelt about how he had to adhere to what Peter had already established - but how he couldn't wait to expand that universe with the environments, creatures and most especially Smaug. I'm giddy.
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SINESTRO CORPS WAR!
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Mutha fucker.. Nice. Erases some of the initial skepticism.
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Even subconsciously you know the difference, and I love Del Toro, but Jackson's pacing is second to none. I love the flow of his films, they are like Cult of Luna songs. Just free flowing and perfect.
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This guy has some weird stuff, but it could be great!
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It will get close to it and New Line will realize that it is wrong to not have Peter Jackson on it.
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Best choice if not Peter Jackson!
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it isn't supposed to have that tone. but Jackson's framing and pace is different to Del Toro's and it needs to feel part of that world, with Howard Shore's music and everything else.
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but this is actually better. I'd really rather see Peter Jackson doing non-LOTR stuff, and get to see what Guillmero Del Toro would do with The Hobbit. Awesome.
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Hmmmm...I'm torn about this. Del Toro is great, but I'd also like to see the Jackson-directed continuity.
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Beowulf was cool.
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You know, I am not the biggest fan of "Pan's Labyrinth" but I am glad this isn't going to be a Peter Jackson joint, b/c he is pretty well Tolkien-ed out at this point. This should be interesting... even though I still see absolutely NO need for TWO films...
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I have full confidence that del toro can pull it off and make the hobbit just as good if not better that LOTR.
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I love Del Toro. Huge Devil's Backbone fan. But I'd prefer we keep the PJ continuity. I really would.
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Seriously, is Bob Shaye still over there? I don't keep up with these things. But I at least know the studio is hurting bad financially and needs a hit (or TWO)...
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It bombed here because people that read the bible were scared of it.
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Perfect match with Director, the executive producer mr. jackson, and the material. <p> Do what you have to do to take care of yourself harry. You wanna live to play around with your future younglings don't ya?
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Peter Jackson's great, but he's so god damn cheesy sometimes. Guillermo del Toro will (I hope) approach the material a bit less melodramatically.
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Please. Everybody knows religious people never actually read the Bible.
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That was pretty good!
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I think The Hobbit films should certainly have a different tone than the Rings movies (just as the Hobbit book did), and I think the fresh viewpoint Guillermo will bring (balanced of course by Jackson as exec. prod.) will do a great service to the material. Can't WAIT for Smaug.
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This is great news, Del Toro was my second choice if Jackson wouldn't be back. And of course, after this makes money hand over fist, Guillermo will finally have enough clout to get AT THE MOUNTAINS OF MADNESS made. <p> Its a win-win situation.
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del toro should fill in nicely as director, and pj will make sure it still has his feel to things as well.... dont see how this could fail.
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Good luck with the lap band surgery, Harry. Oh yeah, and the dude that played Ollie in the Mist should be Bilbo.
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...is what I'll say when this is official. For the first Hobbit movie anyway. I know there's more than enough material in Tolkiendom to make a movie but...why? Either way, seeing how well GDT can ape someone's style (in a good way) with Blade 2, it's hard to imagine this going wrong.
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Why is a guy who does hard fantasy doing this?
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I hope. I mean hobbits are fine and everything but let's quit fucking around here New Line. You want to not go out of business, you know what to do. Give us some Blade, give us some Freddy, we give you some money, everybody's happy. The fantasy adventure train has left the building, but Blade IS the building. And Freddy is the janitor of the building. But not a very good one, in my opinion. But you know, union rules and everything.<p> Anyway, whatever Del Toro directs I will watch it. Even without Blade in it. But that doesn't mean I gotta be happy about it.
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Jan. 28, 2008, 2:47 a.m. CST
"Guillermo will finally have enough clout to get AT THE MOUNTAIN
by Ravetin
Oh shit, double erection. Maybe he can help out Darabont's Frakenstein movie, too.
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In terms of "key sequences" alone The Hobbit has almost as much to offer as LotR - so I am very happy that two films will most likely show us: The Trolls, the Misty Mountains ambush, the riddles in the dark, the burning trees/wolves, the agonizing journey (for the company;) through Mirkwood, the spiders, the Elves, the barrel escape, the dragon's revenge, burning laketown, Thorin almost murdering Bilbo, the battle of the five armies - and there will be so many more set pieces ... With some buildup to these sequences this alone would hardly fit in a three hour timeframe, so I don't see anything wrong with going for two (even three) movies.
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if so they should get Rob Cohen (DRAGON: THE BRUCE LEE STORY, DRAGONHEART, THE MUMMY 3: TOMB OF THE DRAGON EMPEROR, THE HOBBIT DRAGON ADVENTURE CHRONICLES).
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and Bilbo finding the ring in flashback.
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I was already wondering if the mystery 3rd director of the upcoming TINTIN trilogy would be either Del Toro or Alfonso Cuaron (only Peter Jackson and Spielberg have been announced). The Mexicans are "hot right now". And now this... Del Toro being handpicked by PJ for THE HOBBIT. It's looking more and more likely he's also going to be brought in on TINTIN.
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I thought I heard one was supposed to be an adapt. of The Hobbit and the other one a gap filler between The Hobbit and LotR. Stretching the Hobbit out to 360+ minutes is a little distressing. If they have two movies to fill, they're gonna use EVERYTHING from the book. Including "billy bolly, how the valley is jolly" or whatever the fuck the elves were singing about.
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The violence, the betrayal (Bilbo stealing the jewel), the anger (of Thorin), the deaths of so many people (even some main characters) make this more than a children's story, IMHO.
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Please please, not this a**hole. He freely admits being unable to finish LOTR when he started it. How can we possibly entrust these movies to this guy? He simply wont understand the nuances and complexities of Tolkien's world. A disaster.
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When I was younger, I used to be a big fan of Kane Hodder - not necessarily for his films but just the way he inhabited his character - the stomping walk, the lurched shoulders. Doug Jones affects me that way now - his mime hands and lilting head movements. So cool.˙
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This should be enormous news. Why hasn't any other website other than this one and Hollywood Reporter have this article? Unless this just hit...either way, awesome news!
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Jan. 28, 2008, 3:01 a.m. CST
I'd be excited about this if I didn't just get run over by Rambo
by Kirbymanly
Rambo is the fucking best movie I've seen in a long while
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...this is the best choice for director by far. Great news. <p> However, the real question is whether ringwearer9 is currently in the throes of orgasm or violently gnashing his teeth in agony?
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you know...sort of gnashing his...you know...
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erm... yeah. I actually think this is a pretty good choice, although Guillermo might be too dark for The Hobbit. The Hobbit was always a bit brighter and more "fun" than LOTR, even in it's darkest moments, and I don't know if Guillermo is the right guy to bring in if you want to lighten the tone. That being said, I like his work and I think he is probably one of the better choices New Line could have made.
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...something out of Arthur Rackham's imagination. His dragons would fit in perfectly with the world of The Hobbit, too bad he never got to illustrate it.
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I'm very, very happy. LOTR was vast, epic, and sweeping, and needed three films . . . if they let Guillermo play around unsupervised in the definded little sandbox that is The Hobbit, we are ALL going to benefit!!
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I really like the idea of Jackson being off this completely, and I told you all he didn't give a shit about doing the Hobbit movies anyway. I have mixed feelings about Del Toro though. I loved Pan's Labyrinth, but I was seriously underwhelmed by Hellboy. I wonder if he takes fantasy seriously on it's own, if it isn't a parallel to some real world story he wants to tell. I didn't see his heart and soul in Hellboy, the way I did in Pan's Labyrinth. But, even if his heart and soul isn't in it, Del Toro isn't a creep like Jackson. Hopefully he'll be allowed to play with the script himself, instead of hackishly and dutifully copying all the elements from Jackson's films. (Uh oh, I kinda realize that that is kinda what he did regarding the Hellboy comic ... too faithful to the look of the comic, to the point of making an almost unwatchable movie). All in all, I gotta say, a much better choice than Jackson, and I hope to God he gets personally attached to the story and project, enough to put his own personal stamp on it.
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*defined, not definded . . . don't want my California public school english edu-ma-cation to show that much!!
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Del Toro is great, I'm not sure about the 2 films thing. <P>Where is ringy? he's bound to explode with sheer jubilation that the hobbit is not being directed by a zombie movie director
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ferfuksake! PJ has to direct this movie/s...just to keep the styles the same
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Jan. 28, 2008, 3:24 a.m. CST
"I really like the idea of Jackson being off this completely"
by Lost Jarv
Wow. I'm genuinly shocked. <p>Who'd have ever seen that coming?
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PLEASE let him write the Hobbit script(s) PLEASE don't let him be saddled filming another Jacksonized script.
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Del Toro has never delivered one character on film that I gave a fuck about, even characters like Hellboy don't have the pop that they should have, and are blander than they should be. And plot is rarely of importance to him from the films that I have seen the man produce so far. Sure, visually the man has talent, but more than visuals a film like this requires true investment in the story and characters and that's never been a strength of Del Toro in my book. His films are at best fun, visually interesting, but paper thin, and I think the Hobbit deserves better personally. <p>All that said, few would have guessed Jackson was capable of what he delivered with Lord Of The Rings before those film hit, so who knows? But just on pure gut feeling, not a fan of this choice.
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That is all.
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Have you seen Pan's Labyrinth? Didn't care about Ofelia? And Heavenly Creatures was a clear sign of what Jackson was capable of. In fact, it's miles better than Lord of the Rings (the films, not the book).
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It should be about a girl escaping from the horrors of war by way of fantasy... But she is almost entirely shielded from that horror and the images of war we see are not through her eyes, so it doesn't work... The movie is just one big ass cop-out that's also immensely unsatisfying despite its huge amount of creativity in bringing the fantasy world to life.
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But really, this isn't bad.
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That just wasn't very funny. Try again... we'll give you another shot though
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what the fuck is a Jacksonized script? You strange, twisted little troll of a man.
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The whole thing is gonna take place in dank caves now. Del Toro + English language = Studio bound cave shoot.
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If Peter Jackson has made the effort with New Line to sort out all their legal battles, why then only take a producing role in a fantasy world that he put so much personal investment in creating? Would it really be that big a step to just direct the thing? It all just seems odd to me.
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Oh fuck. If Del Toro is being faithful to Jackson's look, the zombified Orcs will be in force again. And the Nazi elves. (sigh)
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No, I didn't care about the paint-by-numbers Ofelia, in fact I didn't even remotely give a shit. Despite the great visuals I just find Del Toro's films emotionally detached and if you scratch away the, at times amazing, visual components, what's left has always struck me as being paper thin.<p>As for Jackson and Heavenly Creatures, yes it was a great film, and yes it showed that he could make a serious film, it didn't show any idication however that he was capable of making an epic filmic saga that delivered in terms of pure popcorn entertainment, visuals and scope, while all the time maintaining depth of story and character at the forefront as well, and balancing all of those ingredients so damn perfectly. Or at least for me it didn't anyway.
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There's nothing funny about them not making Blade movies anymore. Seriously guys, I'm being honest - I would be more excited if they had him doing a Blade or Freddy movie. That's just me. I think he'll do a good job, though, as he always does.<p> As a side note, I think this black box has created too much pressure for my posts to be gems or "funny." Without the black box you could've just ignored it, like a Tom Bodet post.<p> Thanks for the feedback though fellas. Next time please include a number or letter rating and perhaps a personal insult.
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It happens. God knows I've laid a few eggs in my time. Just let it go my friend (and spend some more time honing some real comedy)....
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The third one seemed like a made for TV movie, and all the time lapse shots were fucking irritating. After Trinity, the crappy TV series, and Wesley Snipes aging (and legal troubles) there's seriously no potential left in the series. No matter who's at the helm. Also 7/10.
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which, to be honest, was OK. <P>You're just bitter because you didn't get the version of Tolkien that you always dreamed of. The version that comes complete with some appaling doggerel and Tom Bombadil.
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i still put on the opening sequence to no.1 and crank the theater system.. love that fucking tune, and boy it always went down a storm when it's played in techno clubs over here just wished they put in the blood sprinklers as well...
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And I'm quite enjoying the series at the moment.
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nothing without Wesley Snipes and since he has gone off the deep end into tax fraud and (even worse) DTV movies, he won't be up for it anymore. <b> The Blade series is dead.
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We need another Freddy movie or Blade movie (especially with Blade, ex-nay Sticky fingerz).
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Jackson won't/can't do it for some strange legal and/or politcal reasons related to the machinations of the Time-Warner Empire. There were reports that Warners was shutting down the New Line label. But guys, these team-ups can work. Look at Spielberg and Lucas. And it needs to be 2 movies. The Dragon battle alone will take 20 minutes of screen time.-----later-----m
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..and aside from the pain that would incure,id be happy as larry to pretend that trinity never happened.... just like xmen 3 never happened and spiderman 3 also never happened. lets just hope the 3rd nolan batman is a film i can actually acknowledge the existence of....
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...I'm sure deep down he's a little sick of running around and fighting in forests and caves. He spent 7 or 8 years making LotR, I can see why he wouldn't want to get down into the day-to-day of another Tolkien movie. Whoever directs the Hobbit(s) is gonna be the next Irvin Kershner anyway. Be it GDT, Cuaron, or just about any of the other rumored directors. Plus (speaking of team ups) them thar Tintin movies sound really boner-inudcing so far.
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No black box and you just scroll right past it. No harm, no foul.
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Because I ignored it as I couldn't translate it
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The period in the middle actually came from your mom's cesarean scar. Maybe if she quits gnawing at it, that thing will heal. Sorry, keep scrolling.
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I'd better go and find it. <p>Although I'm still sore at the waste of a question in the Stallone Q&A that he was responsible for.
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Aside from Cuaron I could'nt hink of anyone bettter to direct, Jacko knows his talent.
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Missed opportunity.
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Even for an idiot car movie, there was still a good bit of social commentary in there. Love that bit with the reporter going "Violence! Violence! Violence!" at the end. Classic.
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I was actually hoping someone else would give the Hobbit a bash!<P>ooer!<P>But with all the same characters and sets laid down by the Jackson, Lord knows he did a sterling job bringing Middle Earth to life but Jackson plus Guillermo is a match made in heaven! Only things i'm worried about are the studio or ratings folk might not be able to handle a Guillermo Del Torro Hobbit! and this might all be a load of bunkum which will unmake my day!
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When the article was posted here. It's going to be awful. I wouldn't mind so much if it was something else, but Death Race was like my own little private movie. People would ask me my top ten and when I say DR2000, they'd go "death what? 2000". And knowing me I'd probably go and see it just to confirm my suspicions that the movie world is truly on it's ass! Sorry I'm rambling.
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Wasn't Del Toro the one who publicly said he'd love to direct the 7th Harry Potter film? And I'm sure lots of fans would've loved to've seen that. But especially with the chance that it'll end up as 2 seperate films as well, I suppose this means he's definitely not at an option for that, they'd both be around the same time.
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Imagine a Weta/Del Toro Dragon, Spider forrest, etc! this would be brilliant! Doug Jones for Tom Bombadil or whatever his name was!
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Not Del Toro
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Too bad PJ won´t be directing again, but Del Toro is an awesome choice. Better than Sam Raimi, a name that was mentioned when PJ and NL were still at war with each other. I´d trust the Hobbit to 1980s Raimi, but not to post Spidey Raimi. Del Toro, on the other hand, has a solid track record and I am looking forward to this. Especially to bridge movie between Hobbit and Fellowship.
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King Thranduil: David Bowie Thorin Oakenshield: Ian McShane Ray Winstone: Balin Josh Brolin: Bard the Bowman John Rhys-Davies: Gloin (like son, like father)
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Thanks for the laughs. And I actually thought Blade: Trinity was better than Blade 2. But that's just me. It did have the following exchange, which endeared it to my heart: Random dude: "They'll kill me!!!" Blade: "Motherfucker I'll kill you!!!!"
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Maybe now we won't get another 10 scenes where an Orc is just about to skewer a hobbit, raises his weapon, utters something like, "I'm going to put a silverfish hole in your thorax" and then gets stuck through from behind just before making good on his promise. <p>Maybe now we won't get pointless scenes like the "Warg" attack in TT, and maybe now we won't get ONE shot of a character saying "Saruman" into the camera. <p>This should guarantee that the grittiness the series deserves, even in The Hobbit, will return. I love it!!
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Boy did Jackson fuck that book. The more I see those films the less I like them.
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I am okay with this decision, if it turns out to be true. Cuaron would be a great choice, though. New Line should wait for those Cronenberg Fly transporter doo-dads to become a reality.. think about it: a melded Del Toro/Cuaron entity (with some of PJ's extracted fat thrown in the chamber for good measure).
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Let's make it A Spike Lee Joint.<p>Denzel for Bard!!
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Is that the one where you staple your stomach? Not a good idea i've heard. It's a dangerous procedure and someone I know had horrible pains and nearly died after. He wouldn't recommend it to anyone - not even his sister who also is morbidly obese. How about eating less?
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Nuff said. Bring it on. Only, please, one movie is fine. One movie at 2 hours 30 minutes max.
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How about eating less and exercising more? Just a thought.
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and kwisatzhaderach...trinity better than 2? Seriously?
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As someone who works in the field with this population, I can guarantee you that this procedure will not help you unless you plan to overhaul your entire lifestyle. That means routine exercise and proper nutrition among other things. To believe that this procedure will "cure" morbid obesity is ridiculous. It will help you to jump-start weight loss, but the procedure is easily defeated if you continue to eat poorly. I can't tell you how many patients I see that fail on lapband surgery because they're still eating/drinking high caloric food/beverages. The lapband is just a giant rubberband and like all rubber bands it stretches. Sorry to be a killjoy, but I see far too many people who believe that this surgery is a magic cure. Obesity generally comes from lack of exercise and terrible eating habits.
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The doesn't work for the morbly obesse and excerise could do more harm than good. Del Toro pwns Jackson this is true.
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If this is true,it is bad news for The Hobbit but good news for The Deathly Hallows.
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It is what I meant to say if I wasn't handicapped.
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Sir Ian McKellan isn't getting any younger. Then again none of us are....gruumble grumble...damn mortality.
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Really, Ringy?
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its been 12 hours since they are over. and you call this a "news" site?
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<p>and Hulk Hogan for Bilbo!<p>"MY PYTHONS ARE PUMPED BROTHA!!!!"points finger at Gollum and Legdrops that little bastard.<p>And Gandalf says:"Lets saveh sohmah treehs ah for the Buddha Bihlbo!"<p>
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the elves look like an Aryan wet dream. It's one fuck of a jump from that to Nazis though.
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wtf does that even mean
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Del Toro is rising from the ranks of geek secret to top Hollywood director. While I hope he makes the film look similar to Jackson's previous work, I also hope he brings a more childlike tone to the proceedings. Despite the quality of the first three films, I think two directors make sense if you read both The Hobbit and the Rings Trilogy.
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I figured as much, but I'm dying to hear how to get around making Tolkienite elves an Aryan wet dream.
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Just throwing it out, love the Del Toro as director and Jackson as overseer...now how they will cut between the Battle of the Five Armies and the casting out of the Necromancer from Dol Guldur...good stuff coming!
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Del Toro is one hell of a visual director, but he can't write for dick. Bring in some talented people to do the script, make sure everyone knows that Peter Jackson is producing and overseeing, and keep a little bit of a leash on Guillermo. He'll be fine if they don't let him off the deep end. <br> <br> Incidentally, to anyone who was thinking that the overseas box saved GOLDEN COMPASS...New Line sold off most distribution rights for pennies on the dollar before the film even came out, so they didn't see much of that.
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You're not taking into account his breathtaking mental gymnastics and quite staggering doublethink. <p>He'll have an unbelievably pointy headed solution.
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...I think that DelToro is a bit closer to a sense of true childhood magic and wonder and terror than Jackson is...and it seems right for Hobbit. Rings is more about giant battles and stuff...Hobbit is more a dark fairy tale about a child who wanders too far from home in questionable company...love it.
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over here in Germany we had several movie critics and magazines pointing in the "LOTR=Nazi".They said that all the "Heroes" are white(esp. the Elfes,blond,blue eyes,HERRENRASSE)and the "evil" dudes are all black(orcs and so on).There are many people who see it that way.strange....
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IMO. (other than Jackson that is)
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If confirmed, this wil be AWESOME
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I don't think there is a better director out there, for this movie, than Del Toro. Just look at his body of work and then read the book. No one knows how to make a children's story into a dark piece of work that can be enjoyed by adults like Guillermo.
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. . . I have confidence in Del Toro, I think it'd be in good hands. But I'm also on the Should-Have-Been-Cuaron bandwagon. I'd give Smaug's voice to Tom Waits before Ron Perlman.
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Vern has started to suck lately. Please fire him. Thanks.
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He might be ok. The LOTR movies don't exactly hold up very well, so maybe he'll do a better job. Oh, and Vern? I give you a solid B-. Oh, and 'You Suck.' Not very heartfelt, I know, but it is an insult. You asked.
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I am an American living in Germany and I have to say...that while I like Germans as a whole...Germans as a whole are fucking retarded. 60 years of lving like happy hippies has fucking ruined you. LoTR is not Nazish in anyway... and a German should know this better than anyone.
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...because Bilbo "...hopes his pony...hopes his poony knows the waaaay baaack hooooome...."
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Elves are pure-blooded, stuck-up cunts with an adversion to common, down-in-the-muck dwarves.<p> </p>Take when Strider greets Haldir by hugging him, the elf dude totally looks down his nose at Viggo. And he's a damn king/part elf!</p> <p>I've started a boycott The Hobbit movies poll here: tinyurl.com/489teu32 and I suggest that anyone with even an ounce of decency left intact sign my poll to stop any more future examples of this elitist, blue-blooded propoganda. Join me, my fellow movie fans, and we can truly make a change...by signing my poll!
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some shit up.And German movie critics are fucking insane!
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The only thing that sucks about this news is that they will probably have to find another actor to play Bilbo. Bilbo is supposed to be 50 years old in HOBBIT, and I think Ian Holm is pushing 80. I agree with the earlier post that Toby Jones would make a good Bilbo. He's got the right look and is a great actor. I would love if they could get Holm to do it though, to keep the continuity.
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At least he hasn't fucked up royally like Raimi did with Spidey 3. But you can't judge him on Hellboy, there's only so much you can do with that cast of characters. Not a bad movie and the new one looks pretty awesome. If Pan's is any indicator, this is definitely a superb choice of director.
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this hoary old chestnut rears its unwelcome head every now and again. It's complete bollocks.
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Did you eat babies or something, V?
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Trying to drive away the best thing about AICN with their relentless whining. The fuck did JackIsLost ever post to stand out from the thousands of other by-rote talkbackers out there?
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Thats all!
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thinks you suck.
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because of Jackson's movies, which are fine, well made, and everything but had too much slow mo and crying.
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How many laughtastic reviews has he thrown at us free of charge? He even set the standard by which Neill Cumpston is judged. I think you're right, Vern, there's too much stigma attached to that black box. God forbid you just speak your mind, and all of a sudden people are giving you star ratings on a common post. Christ.
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Yeah, he does think I suck. But I *know* he does.
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This is awesome!!!!!
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I just watched Beowulf and Grendel and was astounded that this was the same Gerard Butler in 300. Fantasy definitely needs slo-mo and camera effects to enhance that fantastical aspect.
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it is sure you knew that BSB!:)
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Any elf princesses in the book? If not, make one up.
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I know that Alfonso Cuaron had at one point expressed interest in doing another Potter film (just not the one directly after his), but Del Toro ALSO did. He mentioned it publicly a few months back, that he'd like to do the 7th film.
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Jan. 28, 2008, 8:37 a.m. CST
I like Guillermo, but not having Jackson direct is WRONG!
by Sith Witch
I want complete and total consistency. I want to know that every image related to the events in these forthcoming films were conceived and shot by the exact same individual responsible for the images that make up Lord of the Rings. Why the kink in the plan? I it ONLY because Jackson is committed to doing The Lovely Bones and Tintin? And if so, can't New Line wait six more months until his schedule opens up after his involvement on those films?
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Ringwearer9 hates potter. The subject is of no interest to him whatsoever.
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Well, if this is indeed going down, it's a good choice. I can see Del Toro's sensibilities fitting rather well alongside the vision that Jackson has already established. I would imagine/hope that they'll make great collaborators, too.<P>One thing I'm still not sold on is the second film; the one that's supposed to bridge THE HOBBIT with LOTR. Sure, I suppose there is a ton of material there with which to craft a storyline. But there is no central character and there is very little dialog. I'll be interested to see how that one plays out after THE HOBBIT makes its run.
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and needs to get crackin' on The Mountains of Madness
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I'm kinda bummed that it looks like we'll be waiting a few years for that one, but on the plus side, once Guillermo makes New Line another 2 BILLION dollars with two Hobbit movies, he shouldn't have trouble getting the budget he wants for ATMOM. If you've read interviews with him about ATMOM, he really wants to do it justice and make it epic in scope. Hobbit(s) should definitely loosen the purse-strings for him. Hell, look how much PJ got to spend on King Kong.
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Maybe he'll implement an analog Golem (that is, puppet) with Doug Jones which would be a nice departure from the digital Golem by Serkis that I always thought looked fake and digity, which it was I know... Close-ups of Smaug could be analog puppetry, as well. I like it. Was anyone not convinced by the prettiness of Pan's Labyrinth? A fresh approach is needed. You Del Toro-Hobbit haters need to quit living in glorious days gone by. Although I could really care less about a Hobbit movie anyway...the Rankin Bass cartoon rules...
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Yes, that one was very cool, but I want one that I can enjoy just as much NOT stoned.
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that's true, i do want to see a faithfull and beautiful Lovecraft on the big screen for once. And also agree, there is nothing like being stoned watching the barrels float downstream
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I was looking forward to it, I wanted to like it, but man, that film was really, really, really bad. Especially its finale.
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His movies usually lack in the story department. I hope Jackson is there everyday to make sure Del Toro spends just as much time with the actors line delivery as he does on the SFX/Make-up. Unlike the majority, I felt Pan's Labrynth was a fairly empty film. The visuals were amazing, but the plot was very poor. Everything outside of the fantasy portion was like third rate Bertolucci circa 1900. I will say that Del Toro has a better chance of making something out of The Hobbit than Sam Rami.
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But this is a solid choice, better than Sam "I ruined Spiderman 3" Raimi. AND FUCK BLADE 4 & 5! Shit is done with. No Snipes no Blade
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Now if they can get Smaug to resemble Tolkien's image as depicted in "Conversation with Smaug!" That will be the "make it/break it" point for this film. Regardless, this will be a great film and Del Toro is a fabulous choice to direct! Pan's Labyrinth was sinisterly powerful!
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... is that it DOESN'T fit the tone or the characterizations in The Lord of the Rings and The Silmarilian.<br><br>I mean, in those two greater works, elves are badasses. Between Legolas, Feanor and his sons, and Elrond, elves are badasses. In the Hobbit, they're idiots who sing the stupidist of songs and get drunk and allow the dwarves and Bilbo to escape.<br><br>This is why I'm glad that Jackson/Walsh/Boyens will be writing the script and overseeing the movie(s). They'll be able to retcon those mistakes, as it were, as I'm sure Tolkien himself would have wanted.<br><br>I mean, the elves in The Hobbit were fucking retarded.<br><br>Personally, though, I wish they were making three movies: The Hobbit and The Silmarilian split into two parts, The First and Second Ages, with the Second Age film basically the filming of the Akallabeth, the Downfall of Numenor, and the First Age Film about Feanor and his sons against Melkor until Earendil made his way to Valinor.<br><br>It'd be like the prequal trilogy, LOTR style, with Sauron playing the part of Palpatine.
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You LOTR nerds are seriously serious about this shit.
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Normally I don't advocate things like that but I am actually really worried about you, Harry. I see you around town from time to time and although you may feel great, you look really sick. I don't mean that as an insult- I am just expressing concern. We need you in tip top shape and I really think thats a great idea, if your doctor recommends it. Good luck. Oh yeah and I think Weta is overrated. The whole LOTR trilogy looked "washed out" to me.
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This is why i fought in Korea, 1950-1952!!!!
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Smaug will have eyes on his wings.
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Consistency people!
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If we're talking film style, I would much rather see the art design concepts of Hellboy applied to the Hobbit than more Jackson. Jackson was terrific at LOTR, but that's a much more grown up and complicated story than the journey of 13 dwarves and a burglar. The hobbit delves more into classical ghost story and dragon territory, better to let a mad spaniard with a total love of MONSTERS do this prequel. Besides this will likely give him the bump he needs to finally make THE MOUNTAINS OF MADNESS. and in the end isn't THAT GOAL something we all want?
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If they can't figure out a way to get Ian Holm to play a young bilbo, they should get this guy. I've seen him in a bunch of things, tell me he doesn't look like a cooler Elijah Wood http://orlandomanic.livejournal.com/16728.html
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Both 2-part movies. If both of these things happen I think we can all die happy (after we've seen them, of course...). Cuaron is DEFINITELY the best choice for Harry Potter because he's already done Prisoner of Azkaban. Del Toro might have been too heavy handed with it. Cuaron is the only one that got the tone right. Since then the HP flicks have taken a step back. Order of the Phoenix should have been a LOT better than it was.
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Jan. 28, 2008, 9:58 a.m. CST
LLYOD BONAFIDE - DID YOU BRING BACK A KOREAN CHICK?
by BringingSexyBack
and indulge in some bulgogi?
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Ready for the big step there on surgery Harry... well, good luck my friend, you'll need it.
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sorry here http://orlandomanic.livejournal.com/16728.html (make sure there are no spaces)
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The Devil's Backbone! If you have not seen it, please Netflix it. I enjoyed Jackson's work, and thought it to be a magnificent feat, but it's Guillermo's turn to do something magical...
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i am an avid fan of LOTR and all things suchlike but i honestly don't know if i care much about the hobbit. time to move on. and i think if d.t. and jackson were going to do something together, why not lovecraft? jackson loves horror too.
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but loved Pan's Labyrinth and Devil's Backbone. Not a bad choice. I just don't see why they have to make the second "bridge" movie. The Hobbit is the bridge. After it, there doesn't seem to be any material there at all.
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Oh ffs, great, another film for Del Toro to indulge his blinkered colour palette view.
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GILL DEL TORO GOTTA EAT!
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The most overrated geek darling evah. PL sucked. Hellboy sucked. Here's hoping Jackson can knock some sense and sensibility into DelTorrrro.
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del Toro is the next best choice. This is great news in my opinion. And Pan's was a masterpiece.
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As thrilled as I am about Del Toro doing the Hobbit, I would have been way more pumped to hear that he'd been signed for the new Conan. If you have ever actually read Howard's stories, you know how "Lovecraftian" they can be (I think Howard and Lovecraft were pretty close friends). And I just think GDT would give it that gritty pulp tone and brutality that it needs -- not to mention the creatures!
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Spend fucktons of money on eating too much food. Then spend fucktons of money on getting surgery to get rid of that food.<p> </p>Whereas we in Eastern Europe have no nephews. They all died from malnourishment.<p> </p>In Soviet Russia, lapband surgically removes you!
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Jan. 28, 2008, 10:42 a.m. CST
I can't believe Vern mentioned Blade & Freddy in the same post
by SilentP
...but not a crossover.<br><Br>You know you want to see Blade vs. Freddy. Directed by Guillermo. You KNOW THIS.
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and i cant wait to see this
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*Pauses to type* Some backup! It's like the goalie bench at the all-star game. *Continues dancing*
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Very nice.
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It's a movie based on a book by th eman who created one of the best fantasy story universes of our time. I don't expect LOTR redux. But I expect it'll still look great.
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"Now Mister Blade, did you make any business related purchases in the previous year?"<p> "HISSSSSSS"
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I have mixed feelings about this. I don't mind if someone else takes the helm of this movie, but I dunno if Del Toro is good enough. He has a great visual esthetic, but sometimes his movies just leave me disappointed. (Esp. "Hellboy".) Although, I would love to hear Ron Perlman voice Smaug. (I'm sure they'll force him to do a British accent, though. Then again, the dragon sounded American in the Rankin & Bass one, and I have lots of affexction for that. Still is my favorite Gollum, all frog-faced—and that voice! Ah, Borther Theodore, we hardly knew ye.)
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I love the LOTR movies, but I love Pan's Labyrinth and Hellboy more. And I've always felt that the real strength of the Rings movies came from the acting and the level of the production design, and that a lot of the things that kind of bugged me were directorial decisions. Del Toro is my favorite director in the universe. When I read that heading on the main page, I ejaculated right into my pants.
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"If they have two movies to fill, they're gonna use EVERYTHING from the book." If Peter Jackson is involved, they may not even use HALF of what was in the book. They cut honking chunks out of the LOTR books for the movies to indulge Peter in his obsessions with evil creepy things -- and certainly, del Toro is no less that way...They are both wonderful filmmakers, but I think Peter Jackson drained the life and soul out of the books, because he doesn't like those things...or maybe it's just "goodness" that he finds too boring for his time. I hope that one day someone will make LOTR as they were meant to be made. Without _arbitrary_m _unnecessary_ changes to the tone, plot, and characters.
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Tolkien DID revise the Hobbit to match some facts in the Lord of the Rings. "Retcon" is such a stupid term. Writers have been doing this forever and it's called "revision."
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...I was really hoping PJ would relent and direct also. Does this mean delToro will be writing the story for the second movie also? I only hope, if dT does direct, that he won't get more creative (see: needles story fabrications) than PJ did and box himself (and us) into needless complications. Nnggghhh...fret and worry. <p>At any rate, glad to hear he would keep within the movie Middle-earth universe that PJ has already put out. Continuity is very important. I loved Pan's Labyrinth so this gives me hope.
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...could be great. I'd much prefer his gravely voice to the smoother Liam Neeson dulcet tones (not that there's anything wrong with that...just prefer Perlman's). The timber of Perlman's seems better suited too. Cool! Color me excited!
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Perfect, my friends, perfect. Fuck this Iam Holm shit (no offense to Mr. Holm). I can guaran-damn-tee you they will be going with a young actor to portray Bilbo. Freeman has an everyman face, comedic timing, and is immensely likeable - all necessary for this role.
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He is exactly the right actor for Thorin. John Rhys-Davies could have played Gloin (father of Gimli) but he had such a bad time with the Dwarf makeup it's unlikely he'd do it. Serkis back as Gollum, Mckellen back as Gandalf, Hugo Weaving back as Elrond. All no-brainer decisions. Lots of hatred between the Dwarves and the Elves. Something that should have been mentioned in LOTR is that Legolas's father had Gimli's dad locked in a cell in The Hobbit.
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perfect casting, why didn't I think of that one? MAKE IT HAPPENED!!!!
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Been a while.
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...go bugger yerself mate. The Blade movies don't even belong in the same universe as those cheesy assed vampire movies. Man, I usually look forward to your comments but your personal druthers have no bearing on this whatsoever. Good lord man, grow some taste! Then again, I smell troll bait...
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I think it's a great idea to do two hobbit movies. The first one can be The Hobbit that we all know and love, and the second one can involve something entirely new. Maybe they can even work in some of the cool stuff they had to cut out of the LOTR like Tom Bombadil and the Barrow Wights. It is also implied in the books that Bilbo and Aragorn have a long standing friendship, so he could be in the second movie since he would pretty much look the same.
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Those cheesy assed vampire movies don't even belong in the same universe as a Hobbit movie. <p> Curse posting from workies anyway!
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as cool as rodriquez & del toro can be, they're nowhere near in the same league as cuaron. pan's labyrinth is way overrated. i was much more moved by bridge to terabithia.
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Heh, looks like you can still come out of the wood works for something other than Star Trek. So, are you a hobbit fan too or just LoTR? I certainly agree that delToro is a great second choice to PJ and, natch, PJ will be around to orc-slap dT if he gets outta line (or maybe vice-versa)!
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Last week I read the Hobbit for the second time in 30 years (my copy has turned very yellow in that time). I was very disappointed. I should have left well enough alone and left it as a childhood memory. I was going to reread all my old Tom Swift books too, but I have decided to leave them in their box! :)
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Jan. 28, 2008, 11:48 a.m. CST
Martin Freeman as Bilbo! cutest_of_borg...good idea.
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
That is amazing casting. I hope they read your post!
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Jan. 28, 2008, 11:50 a.m. CST
OH MY GODS! Will there be Vagina Dentata in the HOBBIT?
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
Del Toro could put some some Vagina Dentata in there... somewhere.
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I'm as giddy as a schoolgirl right now. I so hope this becomes reality.
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Of course The Hobbit doesn’t completely fit the tone of the much later LoTR, the Hobbit preceded it and LoTR was a “sequel,” if you will. Tolkien revised later Hobbit publications to conform to LoTR with “Riddles In the Dark” being the most important. Can’t have Gollum just handing the Ring over to Bilbo can we? Tolkien always regretted the lighter, more child-story tone of the Hobbit and his kids gave him no end of shit about it for, in effect, talking down to them. <p> I believe the Elves were quite “badassed” in the Battle of Five Armies, yes? Didn’t Bilbo choose to stay with them during the battle?<p> I too would love to see something done from the Silmarillion but it’s a bit large in scope, yes? How about selected tales like ‘The Tale of Beren and Luthien (C’mon, Sauron as a werewolf AND vampire? Even Vern would be happy about that {[:^))’. ‘The Children of Hurin’ is already a stand alone book so it would also be a great and obvious choice. Lawks, it’s got love, incest, murder, a BIGGER dragon, Morgoth (that settles it IMHO), petty Dwarves and totally bad-assed Elves. No pirates or vampires though. Man, I can only dream about ANY of the Silmarillion being turned into a movie. Aiya!
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...can't agree about Martin Freeman. James McAvoy or NOONE!
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Don't worry, these trolls are cowards
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I mean his style is quite different from PJ. If he's going to stick to the overall look then fine, but the new stuff could be weird looking.
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if it's true.
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is that you know he'll consult extensively with the other two parts of the Mexican troika, Alfonso Cuaron and Alejandro González Iñárritu. And frankly, even if it was a bit overhyped, Pan's Labyrinth was about as good an audition reel for a Tolkien project as I could imagine.<br><br>Plus, never forget these words -- IT COULD HAVE BEEN RATNER.
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Del Toro is the best choice -- maybe even <<gulp>> better than Jackson. Ron Perlman should DEFINITELY be Smaug. He's got a great vocal quality that isn't so distinct that you'd say something like, "Why is Sean Connery's voice coming out of that dragon?"
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sauron did. liek telepathically, i hope he actually doestt talk with moving mouth that would be corney
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...I'd totally forgotten about that scene! Heh, I'd be pushing up daisy's right beside ya mate! <p>Ungoliant: Gimme whatcher holdin' behind yer back, Blackheart! <p>Morgoth: Gulp, aintcha full yer great glutton? <p> I guess ol' Morgy was doin' Her Blackness a favor since they would've probably burnt right through her gut!
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Blackhole, that's an inspired choice. Toby Jones was by far the best character in the Mist, very expressive but also homely. And he's got the look too. I think del Toro will be great too. I can't wait to see him bring his flair for darkness into Mirkwood and the goblin halls. The only thing I'm afraid of is that the movie should be a little lighter in tone than LOTR overall, and I hope he can pull that off too.
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Free Wesley, kill Goyer, let del Toro direct!
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Now that would be cool. Guillermo is kind of like PJ-lite, so hard to get really excited about it, but i'm sure he'll do a great job. Difficult to screw up Tolkien, but the script is what is key.
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Del Toro is no Peter Jackson. I think Del Toro is great, but he doesn't have the same sense of scope as Jackson. Also whenever CG appears in a Del Toro film it always looks like total shit and stands out like a soar thumb compared to anything real. I don't know why people would want this to happen. Pan's Labyrinth was a great film but apples and oranges to Lord of the Rings and his more mainstream Hollywood stuff is terrible.
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From now on can we get a different guy to run commentary for this project is Del Toro is in fact directing?? I really cannot deal with Harry blowing this guy at ridiculous lengths throughout the entirety of the project. Harry is obviously way to close to Del Toro to not only be fair, but not completely exaggerate his excitement and it's really really annoying.
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Now tell me this doesn't say "Bilbo Baggins": http://tinyurl.com/yv8cs3
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Seriously. Shut the fuck up.
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Jan. 28, 2008, 1:20 p.m. CST
As far as this choice for director. Great choice.
by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz
This is both surprising and welcomed. I think he will do a fine job and to me it makes total sense to have him direct more so IMO then Sam Raimi. I wasn't to excited about the idea of Raimi directing The Hobbit to be honest. While I am a fan of Raimi's work I just don't think his style would have fit within the world that Jackson created with the trilogy on film and having Guillermo Del Toro makes more sense in working with Jackson as the producer. This is going to be good, real good.
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His schedule, contractually obliging, is full. He has himself said he couldn't get a hobbit film out until 2015. Not only is that far beyond the current licensing contract for New Line, meaning they would have to just "give up" The Hobbit and a billion dollars, it also means a long wait during which many things could happen. God forbid we lost McKellen before he could reprise his role... I'm just as disappointed that Jackson cannot take the helm, but if there is one director I can with the same tonal touch as PJ's LotR, it's Guillermo. And let's also bear in mind the LotR we all know and love is the product of PJ with the support of a HUGE team, who are the ones actually responsible for production design, costumes, score and every other facet that comes together to make the final product. It looks as if that team will remain largely intact, with only a new director and PJ overlooking everything from even higher. Yes, there are going to be some stylistic differences, but I really can't see one man's choices (Guillermo's) overriding the collective artistic contribution of everyone else involved to the detriment of the series' tonal and visual continuity. Guillermo has already said he would want these to be an extension of PJ's creation - we all want the same thing! And if anybody's judgement on this choice of director should be trusted, it's PJ's. Let's not forget that neither Empire Strikes Back nor Return of the Jedi were directed by Lucas, yet they perfectly continue in his tradition. C'mon folks! Things are looking up!!
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He's an adult (in mind and body)who's lived long enough to have gained something to say. Sure, that might be hard to swallow for most of the "this sucks" and "this rocks" school of talkbackers, but some of us here find having a fully-developed opinion refreshing.
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This is really great news, I had always wished PJ has started the franchise with The Hobbit (for obvious reasons) but there were of course other reasons it wasnt the precursor. Just the fact that PJ is still creatively involved is great. I must have read the hobbit 7 times... each time more stoned than the previous. The Rank and Bass version of the movie is really well assembled but it is missing some sequences due to its time constraints (riddles in the dark lasts all about 5 minutes)(favorite chapter). Moreover, its nice to see some "new blood" brought in. I have really high hopes for this movie and cant wait to see it upon its completion in 2056. Mortality sucks. I just know I'm going to be 90+ on my death bed and there's some great movie on its way that I will miss due to death. A really good friend of mine was a huge fan of LOTR... sadly he had complications with diabetes and a ravenous infection that took his life before the 1st of the trilogy was even released. Long story short, I will be looking upon this movie(s) development with great interest.
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Harry, if you get that lapband surgery, you'll be half the man you are now. Is that the kind of AICN we want here? Just don't dump the Tigger vid.
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This is good news! I don't know if it'll actually happen or not, but Del Toro would give audiences a stirring, well-filmed "Hobbit." I approve of him as director.<p> "Pan's Labyrinth" might not have played as huge in scale as "Lord of the Rings," but the visual and emotional subtleties in Del Toro's opus were about as solid as I've ever seen in a film. Ofelia was a wonderful central character, and Guillermo handled her role with respect and deep empathy. That's not an easy thing to do, which is what gives me confidence he'd do a great job with "The Hobbit" duology.<p> Also, for anyone who doesn't know: the first film will be "The Hobbit," taken from the classic Tolkien novel, while the second film will center on events surrounding Gandalf's investigation of The Necromancer -- a nasty entity who turns out to be Sauron -- in Mirkwood's Dol Guldur. A massive battle led by Gandalf ensues that drives The Necromancer out, pushing him into Mordor, where Sauron goes to rebuild his armies and reclaim his evil glory.<p> Sounds pretty badass to me. I hope Del Toro can do it justice.
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When you say you like the idea of PJ being off this completely, you are understanding that is what is happening? If so, that's not the case, PJ WILL be involved, but it looks like Del Toro is directing. Del Toro is awesome, but I would have been fine with Raimi also.
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will be fired and The Hobbit will be folded into Warner Bros, not New Line? And Del Toro could be a good choice. Although, I'd just as soon wait a few years for PJ to be free...
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He'd roll right over Snipes. The guy is built and is a very gifted martial artist.
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Not a question of opinion as everyone is entitled to one. It's that holy then thou approach that he tends to take on most subjects or reviews as though he is above the fray. I guess it's his style of writing that fires up the discontent that I feel towards him as he comes across as a douchebag whenever I read one of his reviews or rants. Then again he may be the greatest guy ever in person who knows? <BR> <BR> I just access MY opinion of him based on his rants here on AICN. For me he adds nothing to the conversation except the expected malice retort that he tends to give anyone if they disagree with him. <BR> <BR> You know the type, the shoot down that anyone who disagrees is dumb or does not have the intellect to grasp what point he is trying to make therefore making anyone else's opinion invalid except his own. The whole thing gets kind of old after while. <BR> <BR> But you know hey he works for Harry. Harry obviously likes keeping him around for a reason and guess it adds a different perspective to the whole site but that doesn't mean I have to like it or keep quiet about it. I've even agreed with Vern on a few occasions with certain assessments he's made on the folly of film but on most occasions I just write him off a douche because that's how he comes across when reading his reviews or rants. <BR> <BR> I am sure he'll offer up some witty retort now to try and debunk my opinion and make it seem invalid to make himself feel better.
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Not a question of opinion as everyone is entitled to one. It's that holy then thou approach that he tends to take on most subjects or reviews as though he is above the fray. I guess it's his style of writing that fires up the discontent that I feel towards him as he comes across as a douchebag whenever I read one of his reviews or rants. Then again he may be the greatest guy ever in person who knows? <BR> <BR> I just access MY opinion of him based on his rants here on AICN. For me he adds nothing to the conversation except the expected malice retort that he tends to give anyone if they disagree with him. <BR> <BR> You know the type, the shoot down that anyone who disagrees is dumb or does not have the intellect to grasp what point he is trying to make therefore making anyone else's opinion invalid except his own. The whole thing gets kind of old after while. <BR> <BR> But you know hey he works for Harry. Harry obviously likes keeping him around for a reason and guess it adds a different perspective to the whole site but that doesn't mean I have to like it or keep quiet about it. I've even agreed with Vern on a few occasions with certain assessments he's made on the folly of film but on most occasions I just write him off a douche because that's how he comes across when reading his reviews or rants. <BR> <BR> I am sure he'll offer up some witty retort now to try and debunk my opinion and make it seem invalid to make himself feel better.
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Fucking Comcast servers are being a bitch today.
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That's the real question?
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if this team up can work like Lucas and Kirschner is all good. Pans Labyrinth was a beautiful film - obviously very different form The Hobbit - but his visual sensibilities, along with WETA's artistry gives me a hard on
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Hopefully elijah wood's contribution is minimal.
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Jan. 28, 2008, 1:57 p.m. CST
I think it's gonna be fine if TORo directs and PJ write/produce.
by kirttrik
Why not, look at GOLDEN ARMY, it's basically TORO's resume to do RINGS prequel.
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Del Toro understands that *kids* movies don't have to be disney-esque idiot fests but is too fond of over the top messed-up-shit. Jackson not directing is good...if as has been flogged to death...he still intends impose a LotRification on the Hobbit. Here's the deal Del Toro...go nuts on the Trolls and the Spiders and the Goblins (yes goblins...not fucking 'Orcs') and Smaug but keep ahold of the 'Hobbit'. That means music and innocent fun and frikkin singing elves and singing goblins and Beorn as Smokey the frikkin bear. All these black T shirt wearing perpetual angry adolescents can piss off with their drooling about <i>The Necromancer</a> and all this <i>EMO</> shit being dragged into the one of the ultimate young peoples fiction tales. They need to give their collective heads a shake.
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well that and a great cinematographer... that is all you need for the LOTR movies.
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About the #2 film, see my post about fifteen slots above. If you're looking, it's just a general synopsis from theonering.net. Hope it helps.
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...but I think with his vision, he is one of few directors who could make THE HOBBIT. In Del Toro's case though, I haven't seen PAN'S LABRYNTH yet, so... But I have seen THE MIMIC, HELLBOY and BLADE 2 which were all mediocre in my opinion. I do think THE HOBBIT will be great though.
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...in the films that I HAVE saw, great vision but not a very director.
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In 1960 Tolkien attempted a total rewrite of THE HOBBIT, to bring it in line with the tone and environment of LORD OF THE RINGS. He managed to get through two chapters before he thought the better of it (despite his growing to dislike the way he wrote it in the 30s). The revisions he made in 1965 were relatively minor (the Gollum chapter change was first seen in 1951). Likewise, filming THE HOBBIT as a clone of Jackson's LoTR would IMO be a similar mistake. While it needn't be the second coming of Rankin Bass, it still should stand on it's own and on it's own terms.
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think about it
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OMG, I can't believe there is still love for the blade films! I have new love for the geek community! <br><br> Blade Trinity was not good. Had its moments, but nowehre near the depth of 1 or the suspense of 2. Man-o-man would I love Del Toro to get Blade back on the screen. Michael Jai White? Yeaaah!! <br><br> Blade 4: Blade and Abby Whistler vs. a bitten Hannibal Kane. Hannibal kills Abby, then kills himself. <br><br> Blade 5: Blade vs Blade
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I would have much preferred Del Toro had more control over the project. And I fear that he was selected because of his compatability regarding over-the-top action scenes, as in Hellboy. I'm guessing he's just going to make it all look like Lord of the Rings II, just as everyone was afraid he would
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For two Hobbit films. And making up a bunch of shit (or 'expanding' stuff in the LotR appendices about what happens between The Hobbit and LotR) for a second film is ridiculous. Nothing of note happens! There's no arc that occurs between The Hobbit and LotR for ANY character. What will it consist of? Aragorn hanging out with Arwen? Gandalf and Aragorn looking for Gollum (as they left that part out of Fellowship even though they referred to it)? Legolas waltzing around Mirkwood? NOTHING INTERESTING HAPPENS. One film for The Hobbit (and one film only) is all that's necessary. Oh, and I think Guillermo's a bit overrated. But then again I think PJ is, too.
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Hope not, but you can see Luke Goss in THE HOBBIT.
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Because he says he will, in the article Harry quoted above. And he'll be stuck using WETA, Jackson's effects company. Who will be calling the shots on the "look"? Del Toro? Is he really going to rock the boat, (esp. on the first film). No, he's in it to make money for his own projects that he really cares about, and will bow to Jackson's wishes.
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I guess once you put a voice on one of these Internet Handles, it's hard to shake it off, no matter what they say. Like I imagine Pee Wee Herman speaking whenever Harry types anything...and after seeing him on Ebert, I wasn't too far off. The same goes for a lot of you talkbackers, like with Pazuzu I imagine some irate Swedish guy (him being an irate Swedish guy an all); Tom Bodet I think would sound like Charles Manson in the height of one of his rants.<p> </p>However, I think that you might have Vern down as a snarky, Jewish comedian type (hell, I've got two out of three of those down*). Which is fair enough. But I think most of the time when Vern responds to a talkbacker, he's genuinely trying to understand their point of view. At least more so than most people embroiled in a flame war (and, being the author of a large chunk of AICN articles, he gets into quite a few of them. With him very rarely being the instigator, I might add).<p> </p>My experience of Vern has been that he will always get back to anyone who e-mails him. He will take most folks in his stride, but occasionally gets pissed off with some people- like the best of us do. "Holier than thou," however, is not a phrase I'd have used to describe him.<p> </p> . <p> </p>. <p> </p>*Jewish & Snarky.
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Jan. 28, 2008, 2:44 p.m. CST
Del Toro: My least favorite of the "popular" mexican directors.
by snakecharmer
Aside from his last movie, Del Toro has never delivered anything memorable. I like him. He's really interesting in all his interviews. I saw him interview Cuaron at ComiCon but his charm hardly ever makes it on screen. Sorry, Guillermo. As an aspiring Mexican filmmaker, I feel bad for dumping on my people but the truth is the truth. JACKSON, JACKSON for the Hobbit. lates.
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Jan. 28, 2008, 2:44 p.m. CST
People who spout opinions but haven't seen Pan's Labyrinth ...
by FlickaPoo
...shame themselves and their families. They should be quiet and try to look pretty, the ignorant should be seen, not heard.
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I think fries taste delicious with mayonnaise.
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But a Hobbit movie followed by a gap-filler movie doesn't inspire a lot of confidence as far as I'm concerned. The worst parts of the Lord of the Rings were the stuff that PJ & Co. made up on their own (the elf-surfing, the "game over" drinking contest, pippin lighting the beacons, Faramir kidnapping Frodo and Sam, etc.). I would hope that in further Middle Earth movies, they would try to minimize the amount of invention and interpolation, not spin out an entire film full of the stuff.
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I would pay to see that
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I say ditch the chicks. Hopefully they're not joined to Jackson at the hip, so he can get to work on the script with Del Toro without 'em.
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I'm not hearing you! Blade3 didn't happen! I'm not hearing you! Seriously, Wesley is Blade. He would pimp slap the TV blade and Spawn and not even fog up his oakleys. Shit, even an aged Whistler could take out the TV Blade. I say again, Free Wesley!
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Speak for yourself mate. If you think yours (Ringstalker9) is the majority opinion then you haven't been paying attention. I call bullshit mate.
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...except that I'm an American. Well done.
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I'd love to see a "gap-filler" movie, as you call it, systemsbroom. You're forgetting the tremendous amount of stuff PJ and Co. invented and extrapolated for the films that DID work (Haldir and the elves coming to fight at Helm's Deep, Arwen and Aragorn's trials and eventual reunion, Pippin lighting the beacons, etc.).<p> You're obviously entitled to your opinion of how many films Jackson/Del Toro should make, but wouldn't it be incredible to see a big-budget Middle Earth story (Gandalf, The Necromancer, and the battle of Dol Guldur) that no one's ever seen before hit the screen?<p> Also, Mattyboy122, it's untrue that nothing happens. Google "Dol Guldur" and you'll get loads of very specific information about what happens. I'm sure PJ and Del Toro will add and make stuff up to augment the drama, but I'm excited to see the story they'll tell.
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As much as I'd love to see Wesley back as Blade, I don't think it'll happen. <br><br> But if they did a Blade vs Spawn with Wesley vs White, I'd be first in line.
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and cant remember is Saruman is in it?! Can someone enlighten me...and if he is they better get their ass in gear coz Christopher Lee aint no spring chicken
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it'll sound like... well...Ron Perlman. Unless they fuck with his tonally. But then why not just get someone else to do it? Why am I talking as if its cast in stone already? I need to eat...
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Jan. 28, 2008, 3:18 p.m. CST
how he had to adhere to what Peter had already established...
by bowtiehoon
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Jared Leto for Michael Morbius!
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There has not been a movie worth seeing since Return of the King. I can totally see Del Toro kicking massive ass on this project. Oh the glory of it all. Oh the glory of what shall be!!! SNOOCHES!!!!!
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Jan. 28, 2008, 3:20 p.m. CST
ow he had to adhere to what Peter had already established..
by bowtiehoon
fuck... like he did to the blade movies... fuck...
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what the fuck is a smaug? ..and kwisatzhaderach for the record the line BLade: motherfucker i'll kill you is from the first blade not the second...The 3rd blade sucked for the most part, they ruined the 3rd act, the dracula kill was a copy of the nomak kill from pt.2 and using dracula to begin with was extremely cheesy.They screwed it up even further by killing whistler. There should be another blade film to erase the 3rd from memory and drop the nightstalkers act.
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If we can't have Peter Jackson then Del Toro is the best choice. At least it's not Sam Raimi
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"What the fuck is a smaug?"<br> LMFAO (I hate using the LOL-language, but that deserved it)
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I'm thankful they didn't call it Blade 3, though. That means there's a possibilty of Trinity being a failed attempt at a spinoff, and we Blade-heads can have a BADASS version of Blade 3! <br><br> Rock the vote people! Oh and a "Smaug" is when you hock a loogie on your girl's back when doing it doggystyle. Try it!
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In no way, shape, or form was having the elves show up at Helm's Deep a good idea. Haldir's death scene, anyone!? PJ played it like we're supposed to give a fuck, but this guy was in pretty much one scene in Fellowship (which means almost no one would remember him, and even if they did, he was a prick in Fellowship, so they would be justifiably bewildered at the sappy, melodramatic treatment of his death). The elves showing up at Helm's Deep also takes away from the idea of men having to fight to inherit Middle Earth. The elves snapping to attention and whatnot is cringe-inducingly bad. Anyway, you can say things happen between The Hobbit and LotR but there's no ARC. What's the point of just showing a bunch of stuff happening if none of it really shapes LotR? Who would be the main character in this bridge film? You gotta have one, otherwise it'll just be a bunch of random events strung together.
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Can that man do anything else than have a really, REALLY annoying face expression? It's quite incredible.
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but does this look like Amber Heard on the set of the Informers or is it some extra http://tinyurl.com/3b8uuy
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A smaug is when you fart in a girls mouth while she gleeks on your hole. It's awesome
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I'd like to see The Silmarillion onscreen because there's some awesome stuff that happens, but how do you weave a narrative thread through all of the stories? If you can't, it'll be a bunch of filler, an episodic mess.
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Hellboy vs Smog!
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A smaug is when the girl takes a bong hit and then tries to go down on you while coughing. Its awesome!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvJkjqqI22Q
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I understand you didn't like the way Jackson and his writers handled some of the scenes, which is fine, but if he had stuck to the book, the movie probably would've been slow and even yawn-inducing. He took liberties, which for the most part worked, both dramatically and plotwise. You'd probably agree that what works in a book often falls flat onscreen.<p> So why not piece together a narrative that complements "The Hobbit" with extremely well-documented footage from supplementary tales? It could work. Especially with creative people like Jackson and Del Toro at the helm.<p> By the way, have you googled "Dol Guldur" yet? It might give you some food for thought.
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...unless they focus on the South: Gondor's border skirmishes, Rohan's trouble with Saruman and so on. Also take into account that in FOTR, book not movie, nine years passes between Bilbo's 111th BDay and when Frodo finally leaves the Shire bearing the One Ring. They could bring in the the Dunedain, the Sons of Elrond, Radagast the Brown, the "resurrection" of the Ring Wraiths, the loss of Minas Ithil Gollum's search for "Baggins" & "Shire" his capture by Saurons forces, his escape, etc etc. It's actually a rather eventful 60 years that leads up to eand of the 3rd Age now that I've started thinking about it, hmm...
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In the prologue to Fellowship?
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Even Raimi would be a better choice! Bring back Jackson!
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fuck it all.
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david goyer is a great aas a writer..( Blade 1+2, Batman Begins)as a director he needs improvement.
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Yeah, Wesley's gone down a serious rabbit hole with his anti-tax stuff (read it on smoking gun) so he's probably gonna be "busy" for a few years. Didn't he file some lawsuit against the studio for breach of contract over Blade 3?
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As Mattyboy has correctly pointed out the notion of going with the *shit we made up* version of the Hobbit is a terrible idea. In the Rings movies the worst bits were almost invariably the 'look how clever as screenwriters' we are. When Sam wails 'by all rights we shouldn't even be here!' at Osgiliath all my mates and I were oing 'Hell yeah'. Virtually every 'added' riff smacked of sappy melodrama or cringeworthy attempts at humour. I get a stabbing headache thinking about how stupid 'Denethor the sprinting human torch' was and cringe at the notion this is some fanboys idea of 'cool'. Contrary to Cobbio's contention that 'it might have been boring otherwise' what really needed to happen was appropraite *editing* of the existing material not adding in a bunch of BS. This Dol Goldur, White Council and hella whupass fights version of a Prequel just screams out as lame Tolkien Fanfic with a giant ass budget. If we're going to saunter down that road we may as well include a good dose of Homoerotic Dawrf/Hobbit yearning and maybe a big Buzby Berkley musical swimming number as the dwarves barrel roll down the River Running. Yeesh.
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PJ-directed continuity? The Hobbit was much different, tonally, than the Lord of the Rings. Del Toro has a great hand with darkness and childlike wonder--please see Pan's Labyrinth as the perfect example. He is the perfect person for the project, especially as now you'd have the Superteam of Jackson and Del Toro together. I hope it's true.
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when is gallowwalker coming out?? dont tell me it got fucked..
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Jan. 28, 2008, 5:28 p.m. CST
Thank God Jackson's not directing! Now they should keep Serkis a
by Merriman Lyon
If they can stop Jackson interfering, and keep the effects budget to a minimum, this could end up being good. And hopefully they'll have a real actor playing Gollum this time instead of a CGI cartoon.
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The Deathly Hallows i think might be a better match for GDT, and he expressed an interest in doing it. For the Hobbit I'd rather have someone like a pre-spiderman Raimi...not entirely sure who fits the bill though. i suppose though, if that means Cuaron is back for Potter 7, and Del Toro gets to make At The Mountains...afterwards then you cant get much better than that - after Children of Men and Pan's Labyrinth they can do no wrong
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will remain. why? because this is a Wingnut production. Built using the existing designs and as a direct prequel to the LOTR films as made by PJ. I'm sure Del Toro will have creative input, but he won't be usurping this in the way that say... Alfonso Cuaron did to Harry Potter 3.<p> Anyone who expects that they're be major thematic and stylistic changes will be sorely disappointed, by nothing more than their own self-denial.<p> Peter Jackson brought Tolkien to the screen, his vision will remain so long as it's being made by his company; with him and his wife writing and producing.<p> Myself, I'm quite glad.
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and everything else in the world
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I respect your opinion on the *shit we made up* version of the Hobbit, CaptEgo, but I still disagree with you. From your prose, you seem like a writer, so your opinion is undeniably strong on this issue. That's fine.<p> But as Mattyboy122 also failed to acknowledge, many of the scenes that worked (whether you think they did or not) were invented or augmented scenes that never appeared in the books. Plus the decision to remove Tom Bombadil turned out to be a VERY good idea, since the film would've slowed to a crawl before it went anywhere with Tom included. This is my opinion, obviously, but I think the majority of LOTR fans would agree with me. "Appropriate editing" wouldn't have done much for the film in this case, would you agree?<p> Plus, I think you're being narrow minded reducing the second "Hobbit" film to a "... whupass fights version of a Prequel [that] just screams out as lame Tolkien Fanfic with a giant ass budget." As before, you're entitled to your opinion, but it ain't Fanfic since the events were outlined and written by J.R.R. himself.<p> I'm not saying these films will amaze people or play as well as Jackson's "Lord of the Rings." Del Toro has a lot to live up to in this department. What I'm saying is that, to me, the two-film format might deliver with good writers, WETA, and Del Toro directing. "Pan's Labyrinth" was enough to convince me he could handle it.
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On one hand, a Del Toro directed Hobbit would be great. On the other hand, At the Mountains of Madness has been in the waiting for too long. Sigh. I guess ripoffs of Lovecraftian monsters (such as in Cloverfield) will have to tide us by for a few years. And why exactly is The Hobbit being made into two movies? Is New Line that desperate for cash?
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These projects will be in the proper hands and that everyone was able to find a way to cooperate. In my opinion, it's been the best, most consistently strong film series in recent history, and it will be wonderful to revisit Tolkien's world two more times.
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Jan. 28, 2008, 6:57 p.m. CST
Mattboy and CaptEgo's taste PJDT's pudding before it's done.
by Tinfang
Filler? How do you know? It's going to be Jackson/Toro's story and I haven't heard the screenplay's even been written yet. I want continuity between the movies. Yes, I cringed when I first heard about Haldir and any Elves being at Helm's Deep but after seeing TTT, I most certainly did give a fuck when Haldir was killed. I’d rather have seen more Rohirrim at HD as in the book, yes, but I liked how it was done in the movie adaptation too. I do agree that some of PJ’s fabrications were appalling but they were mostly tiny segments in a rather long movie, after all. Anyways, I doubt if we’ll see a verbatim re-telling of the Hobbit followed by a sequential listing of Appendix B by dates. There’s plenty that happened to serve as a basis for a screenplay. I want to see Bill Ferny piss his britches when the Nazgul catch him! Again, we haven’t heard anything yet.<p> Yes, let’s condemn the very notion of a movie maker providing continuity between movies before we’ve seen it on the screen. Oh sure, curse PJ’s very name to all of Arda for even mentioning a second movie. I’ll bet Jupiter is starting to wobble on its axis as I type this. Is that the sound of a tiny cow being berthed? Sigh, here we go again with the Cult of Tolkien Fundamentalist. And having an opinion doesn't automatically infer rightness. O the damned hoot!
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Next to Pixar movies, Sean Bean is money in the bank. :D
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Why don't those who hated Jackson's LoTR just decide right here and now not to go see The Hobbit and, hmmm, The Return of the Shadow. Save yourselves the heartburn and obvious anguish.<p> Whoever the poster was who asked about Saruman being in The Hobbit, no, but we'll probably see him in the second movie when the Whote Council meets. See RoTK, Appendix B. Hey, maybe that title would satisfy The Purist. O the hoot!
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That would be the WHITE Council. O the Whoote!
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"people who read the Bible"<p>You act like that's some tiny cult of people. It's only a couple billion or more.
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Not trying to be an anal retentive Tolkien Fundamentalist know-it-all but Minas Ithil was taken almost a thousand years before the events of The Hobbit took place. Much less betwixt Bilbo's birthday party and Mr. Frodo setting off on his adventure. Maybe you're thinking of Osgilliath. Trubba not mellon.
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Love PJ. Love Guillermo. Love Tolkien. Seems like this deal was arranged with Peter's good will intact, which just makes me SSOOOOOO happy for Guillermo cause he gives his projects every ounce of TCL he can pour into them and it shows. Nonetheless, it just wouldn't be right without Peter feeling good about it. Doug Jones and Andy Serkis in one movie is just my idea of heaven. Weta's FX, too. Heehaw! this is great news!
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would have prefered Cuaron, but delToro is great too. Just hope he holds back his inner monsters and keeps in mind his is basically a childrens story. No Raimi, what a relief.
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Where'd you hear McAvoy was playing Bilbo? I hope it's true and don't be tuggin' at me pipes!<p>MandolorianShoutingSage: Were you asleep? Saruman got his on the great spikey wheel o' death in the beginning (Extended Edition) of RoTK. Bosh, the theatrical version don't count but Saruman's imprisonment was referred to by Treebeard in that one too.<p> O the floot!
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Jan. 28, 2008, 7:55 p.m. CST
Ian Holm - he is too old. Yes, too old to begin the filming.
by cutest_of_borg
What the hell does a Mandalorian know about Middle Earth, eh? So sayeth borg. Oh, wait a minute...never mind.
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if jackson had stuck to the books religiously the three films would have been fucking terrible and failed miserably. but he didn't and they were all hugely successful on every single level that a film can possibly be judged. sorry ringy but your opinion is the MINORITY...not the majority. the trilogy was successful on every single level. they made a ton of cash so audiences liked them...they were all critically acclaimed so critics liked them and they won awards out the ying yang so the industry liked them. So on every single level that you can tangibly judge a film success on they succeeded. obviously you hated them and thats fine but dont start claiming that your opinion is of the majority when it clearly isn't. in fact it sounds to me that life in your weird little obsessed world is rathr boring and sad. heres an idea...you are obviously going to dislike these new films so don't waste valuable time seeing them. give them a miss and spare us all your anal complaints and bullshit observations. surely you have better things to do with your time then see 2 films you already hate?
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Jan. 28, 2008, 8:05 p.m. CST
HARRY! While you're at it, ask DelToro if he knows about Silent
by Vesuvio
Because whoever played Silent Hill 2 KNOWS he'd be the guy to do it. And that would be amazing.
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I'm more exited about this than any of the LotR films.
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but if so, then I'd go with Zemeckis. The important thing here is ALFONSO MOTHERFUCKING CUARON for DEATHLY MOTHERFUCKING HALLOWS.. also two movies, also back-to-back.
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aka the xenophobic King of the Mirkwood Elves, and father of Legolas. Jones certainly has the tall, thin, elf-look. Perlman as the voice of Smaug would be great, but I could also see Del Toro casting Ron Perlman to play Bjorn, the orc-hunting werebear.
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go del toro! He is perfect for the job. Iam also glad Riami didnt get the gig, or we would have an emo bilbo dancing to jazz music.
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So we finally get to see a Guillermo Del Toro film in 235:1, thats interesting. I wonder if Navarro will sign on or if they are going to get Andrew Lesnie to come on so the film worlds look consistent... I can't wait to see this.
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Let Mt. Taranaki be the Lonely Mountain. The scenery is fantastic.
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Now-ow-ow-ow! [jumps up and down, bangs fists].<p>Hobbit I can wait for. Hobbit 2: Walk Harder I can wait even longer for. Mountains of Madness' Time, my friends, is upon us.
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Just saw him on an episode the other day. He essentially plays the same character as he did in The Crow. Cept he didn't say anything about shanking anyone's ass. How's that for typecasting?
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who would rather some some HPL first. Of course there may be some merit in saying he needs to pull in a big base with the Tolkien stuff.
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He's dead! No he's not! Wait, yes - but no! Jackson passed the torch to GDT on the condition that The Hobbit would contain at least five (5) jerky slow-motion sequences, and at least one (1) extreme and constipated close-up of a major character, and at least seven (7) "fake deaths". PO-TA-TOES. Boil 'em, mash 'em, stick 'em in a stew!
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movie I. The Hobbit, just over three hours with foreshadowing about the Necromancer and whatnot. movie II.The Fall of Minas Morgul. (concurrent with the events of Rings)Two and a half hours. Dwarves, Elves, Rangers and Lakemen vs. orcs, Black numenoreans and Wild Men. Directed by Del Toro, I'd see that sucker. Either that or have two leisurely movies of the Hobbit, the first one ending with the "Purple Emperors" scene. This is kind of a coincidence since Hellboy II features Elves that strongly resemble the LOTR version, only evil as fuck.
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Yah see...the issue here is not a matter of slavish devotion to the source material but a prudent *use* of the source material. Just for Tinfangs elucidation I should point out that my concerns about this hybrid creature of a movie come from the interview done with Jackson some time back wherein he made clear his disinterest in the Hobbit as a 'Childrens Tale' and musing on things like the 'White Council' and bringing back some/much of the cast. As I mentioned in my first comment I’m actually pleased with Del Toro as a possible directing choice because I think he’s got a better feel for what will make good kids story than Pjax. I’m simply concerned about what a Jackson looming over him means. <p> My reservations about what such comments mean to a Hobbit film are directly proportional to how awful the Elves at Helms Deep were, for example (without even ten-foot-pole touching the mercifully excised ‘Arwen’ warrior Princess crap that was filmed). In addition to being the finest cinematic cheese with the silly walk marching and Haldir's 'I could give a damn' death only serving to highlight the fact that they called that old war the *Last Alliance of Elves and Men*...not the 'Penultimate Team Up of Pointys and Not' or the ‘Last Alliance until we abruptly decided it wasn’t’. When you pull that kind of shit you end up sucking the air out of the story by cheapening the narrative. If Galadriel in the introduction points out the ‘Last Alliance’ it helps make a strong statement about the differing path of Men and Elves and adds a good bit of gravitas to the situation. When you blow that off in the second film you start allowing your audience to suspect you might just be peddling the usual cheap fantasy crap that sounds like the scribbling of a paint huffing D & D nerd. Tolkien’s story hangs together so well because of small but hugely meaningful details like that and screwing around with them casually stands out as massive hack work. <p> The point of making these comments Tinfang is to bitch about what the films *could be* based on what we’ve heard that the people in charge have suggested they’d like. It’s like free focus group input encouraging our valiant filmmakers to see the light as we see it. If I hadn’t read the interview material with Jackson talking shit about this ‘variant’ I wouldn’t have been all that stressed assuming he would have the good sense to stick with the tone of the book as he did very very successfully with the Rings films. <p> Sadly, at this point it’s looking a hell of a lot like this is a big case of a bunch of Dwarves (New Line) hiring an ill prepared Hobbit ‘Burglar’ (Jackson) to plunder the horde of an Evil Dragon (the filmgoing public). <p> The irony is of course that I quite liked the Trilogy. I felt Two Towers was the weakest although Return of the King had the most heinous atrocities. I don’t think it’s a surprise that the bits that hove most closely to the books had the most power. Most people remember the bits swiped and swapped from the book, Gandalf chatting with Frodo about consequences, the bridge of Khazad-Dum, Boromir’s heroic death, the Ents attack on Isengard, the charge of the Mumakil, etc. Many of my non-Tolkien reading friends were like ‘Wow…that stuff’s amazing’. When I asked them about the ‘added’ bits they either seemed to think them unremarkable, occasionally peculiar and some outright dumb. I’d love a Hobbit that avoided ‘the dumb’ as much as possible.
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Jan. 28, 2008, 10 p.m. CST
The Hobbit will be pretty, souless and utterly hollow...
by Sledge Hammer
...just like everything that Del Toro makes. I can't believe the amount of love the man is getting here. Great directing isn't about the creation of great looking visuals, it's about the blending of visuals, story and character, something that Del Toro is still woefully inadequate at. Also is it just me, or does this seem more like Harry's attempt to get Del Toro a bunch of fanboy propoganda to use to help get him over the line in securing this job more than anything else?
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Had so many great stories in it. I really really hate the idea of a bridge film. The Hobbit will be fine and enjoyable but nothing profound. But the bridge? I'm highly skeptical.
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This man has one of the most fertile imaginations in the world. Sure, a lot of directors take the scripts of others and put their own stamp on them, but the look and feel of Middle Earth are established. Del Toro can put a stamp on this world, much the way his friend did with Harry Potter, but he can't let his imagination have free reign. He'd have to adhere to some very strict rules. I don't want to see him do someone else's work. I want to see a genuine Del Toro movie. IF he must adapt, he should adapt something that doesn't already have an established universe behind it so he can mold it into something truly unique.
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That helped out.
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Are they making it up or is it taken from the lost tales? That really matters a lot.
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Are they making it up or is it taken from the lost tales? That really matters a lot. I hope they don't try to continue making hobbit movies.
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If not, don't think this is the best choice. Obviously, PJ is the best choice, but if not, go with a talented director, period. Not talented in only fantasy, or in mo cap, or in cgi, but an extremely talented director, which also has to do with getting good perfomances from actors. Some of the best scenes in LOTR had little or nothing to do with CGI. I'm starting to lean toward a campaign to demand PJ back. Or, P.T. Anderson? Or the guy who did The Fountain? Or Andrew Adamson? I guess i'm with a lot of the posters above who don't get the excitement over del torro.
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The New York Times had an article, mentioning that New Line settled their suit with Jackson by paying him $US 40 mill. That's nice and all, but he was probably owed 3 - 5 times that much.
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The Bridge idea makes me go "hmmmmm". Like that one song.
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LOTR is good entertainment. It shouldn't be ruined by some art house director who will make everything boring as dirt.
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Would make this shit chop.
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Del Toro is not exactly an art house director. For God's sakes, he made Hellboy.
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As a general rule, don't work. There isn't any tension in the movie because you already know the outcome.
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But it's still an odd choice.
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Wasn't it expected? He's done fantasy before, he's close to P.J., etc. etc.
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Since Peter Jackson is tied up with films for the next decade or so, Guillermo Del Toro is a great choice. In my humble opinion, his Pan's Labyrinth, and more importantly the great work he did on the Blade sequel have bought him so much slack that he could knit a Hobbit movie.
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No more pretentious, melodramatic, tickle fighting, I don't really get what the fuck this is all about, Jackson. Thank fucking God this fuckin' guy's not doing The Hobbit. Those overrated POS LOTR movies were ridiculous. It was time for a fucking change and they made it. Tell this guy to ditch the fag ridden Hobbits would you? If I see one more midget look longingly at the cacker of another I'm gonna puke.
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With prequels you are ofttimes capable (capable) of creating a gripping story (if you deal with the same subject but different circumstances and characters whose fates are unknown).<p>But most importantly are far less likely to screw up something that's already good. Sequels usually just trash the name of the originals by fucking up the story and characters. Big Time. Someone will now say something about Star Wars to make a cheap point, but I will ignore them. This has been tonight's Word.
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And I'm sorry CG but I include Star Wars in that category.
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That I like the "idea" of the prequel. It can work, in principle.
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Execution, my son. That is what matters. "Do or do not...there is no try"
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I would like a good prequel over a sequel just because I don't like people taking stuff in new, oddball directions in relation to an original story. I hope that our disagreement is characterized by mutual understanding and respect...
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BY IRRATIONAL, UNMITIGATED HATRED YOU PIG FUCKER!
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So it's war, I see. Likers of the concept of the Prequel, UNITE!!! *crickets chirp*
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Fuck.
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[takes off shirt] Prepare for a slappy-fight the likes of which this Talkback has NEVER SEEN. Word of caution: I haven't clipped my nails in twelve days. And I like to pull hair.
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Was a good prequel. ROTS was the best SW Prequel.
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Godfather II, Empire Strikes Back, ALIENS, Azkaban, T2, Evil Dead 2, Road Warrior
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Spider Man 2, Die Hard 3
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Do you notice that I've been working out? Well I have you bitch. Perhaps you'll also notice that I have twelve chest hairs. That means I'm twelve times the man you are. So bring it.
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The Good the Bad and the Ugly is also a good one. I also submit to you, that The Hobbit, will be a great prequel, barring unforeseen circumstances, like Del Toro deciding to cut out the Battle of Five Armies in favor of Tom Bombadil scenes.
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........that Tom Bombadil will show up at some point in one of the films? I'd say it is pretty much guaranteed, considering all the fans still whining about him not making it into LOTR.
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that Tom won't show up.
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But that doesn't mean the prequel is superior. They are just as easy to screw up as sequels are.
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as exhibit A in my case against prequels.
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...have been video games.
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is technically a prequel and a sequel. So it is a perfect example of both.
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I submit to the Talkback that neither the sequel nor the prequel is superior to the other. My point is that a prequel can be good whilst not doing unspeakable damage to the originals, as many sequels have in spades, and I prefer them these days because nobody seems able to do a good sequel. (Harry Potter stuff notwithstanding because those are based on a continuous story.)
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And Raise you Good, The Bad, and The Ugly!<p>But I take back the "biotch", as you already said something about Godfather. See how Godfather II, being both a sequel and prequel, is capable of easing the strife? I hereby sign a declaration of cessation of hostilities.
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and slink away quietly into the night...
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of a prequel to one since we saw the beginnings of Hill Valley.
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The hoverboard rocks.
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could solve every world conflict. It truly is a special film.
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The solution to the world's conflicts.
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http://tinyurl.com/2ga2a5 At Slashfilm.com<br> “It’s the only Tolkien book I read. I tried my best to read the Lord of the Rings, the trilogy. I could not. I could not. They were very dense. And then one day, I bought The Hobbit. I read it and I loved it. So it would be a privilege. But listen, I wish I knew.”<br><br> Naturally, I'd prefer if he were a big Tolkien fan, but in a way it's better that he loves the first book on it's own, without reference to the Lord of the Rings. The Hobbit SHOULD work on it's own. But if he's going to just bow to Jackson's insane story padding LOTR linking crap, that's not going to help much.
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I read all three in like a week.
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this news makes my girly parts tingle! woo!
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Will be Tom Bombadil. We can only hope.
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Takes us to overlooked cool places from Tolkien's universe, like Rhun. There is potential in the bridge, although my skepticism remains high.
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Jan. 29, 2008, 2:24 a.m. CST
Yeah, it is discouraging that neither Jackson or Del Toro...
by Ringwearer9
... are readers. Jackson had trouble reading Lord of the Rings, Del Toro had trouble reading Lord of the Rings. But, he did read The Hobbit, and did love it. I have to say, for a long long time I loved The Hobbit more than LOTR as well.
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It might make reading LOTR in English daunting. Or maybe he got a bad translation into spanish.
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Hey bud, I don't know what I did that made you hate me so much. When was I invalidating anybody's opinion? I just said I'd rather he did a Blade movie, and then a bunch of people called me an asshole. The first guy was saying I was "staggeringly unfunny," which is fair, but I don't think he knew I was offering my honest opinion. I'm happy for Del Toro but I kind of wish he wouldn't do this so he could be free to pursue other things for the couple years it's gonna take him to do this. Things that might be more straight out of his imagination, and almost definitely wouldn't be Blade. Unfortunately for me.<p> The reason I mentioned Freddy was because New Line became a big studio because of Freddy and Ninja Turtles. But then after I typed it I realized that it would actually be amazing if Del Toro made a Freddy movie. I don't want him to be like Sam Raimi, make some fun "big" movies and then never come back to what I loved him for. I will be excited to watch Del Toro's Hobbit movie but would be more excited to watch his Freddy movie. So sue me. I never had the same tastes as everybody else here. I don't see why that's a problem.<p> Anyway, sorry if I have been a "douche" in your experience, but I think if you look back you will see that everybody is invalidating MY opinion here, not the other way around. Although I guess by pointing that out I'm kind of invalidating your opinion. So you win this round.<p> If it's any consolation, I seem to be widely hated on all the talkbacks lately, and all the movies I hold dear are being called crap, and I am a huge asshole for not understanding various comic strips and cartoons from the '80s. I don't "work for Harry" as you say, I've never been paid a dime for anything I've done here, I just write and post here because I have fun doing it. But it's not as fun when everybody hates me and not in a funny way. If I'm such an asshole I guess it must be coming back to me.<p> thanks wizard
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I don't think your an asshole. That moriarty is an asshole but your pretty cool.
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I take your point CaptEgo, in the larger sense, but I don’t totally agree with your observations. Again, what “hybrid” movie are you talking about? I haven’t seen PJDT’s Hobbit yet, have you? Unless my uptake is seriously decrepit these days, I’m seeing two movies; The Hobbit and the bridge movie. Perhaps you mean the latter though you tend to switch gears in your otherwise well reasoned post. Now, I truly love the Hobbit, as written, but I’ll be perfectly happy with an adaptation that isn’t geared towards children. I’m able to maintain a duality of opinion. Meaning, I’ll be happy either way. To me, Jackson’s biggest crime was the absolute murder of Gimli’s character and think about that multiplied by thirteen! No, I wouldn’t want PJDT to go hog wild on silly, farty, belching and magically comical Dwarves. So trust me, I share your concerns but it’s way to early to get bent over it one way or another.<p>I guess I just see watchful concern but Jackson’s comments which, when updated, seem to refer to the bridge movie. I believe he did say “faithful” adaptation of the Hobbit, didn’t he? Why not be optimistic about it instead of hyperbolic negativity right out of the starting gate? Again, I share your concern but all the good PJ did in LoTR far, far outweighed the negative. I tend to go the Cole Porter route and accentuate the positive.<p>Still don’t agree that Haldir and crew at HD were “awful.” Yes, if you are included in that breed of LoTR fundamentalist but happily, I’m not when it comes to movie adaptations. What you see as silly, others clearly do not. Now, excising Arwen from the final cut was a mercy to even the slightest of LoTR, the book, fans. I completely agree with you there and wouldn’t you say that’s a positive indication of having people steer Jackson away from such idiocy? I think PJ learned a lot from fan response and the removal of Arwen at HD proves it. Now he has a director, not just Fran and Philippa, to keep him constrained from his excesses. I say rejoice! Eglerio!<p>Finally (everyone cheers), there is book precedence for more “alliance” fighting where men and elves join forces. Look at the Battle of Five Armies from the Hobbit. That was post Last Alliance yet it happened, yes? That was a temporary alliance of convenience just as Jackson depicted in Two Towers. It wasn’t meant to convey another great alliance but rather a smaller scale tactical force multiplier, in the military sense. Jackson had precedence provided by no less than Tolkien. Maybe he did pick up a few things from the books after all. Too bad he missed the Scouring of the Shire but that’s for another debate.
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It happens with all mythical folk heroes. Remember SMOKEY AND THE BANDIT 2? <p>I still believe in Vern, though. That's what makes the magic real.</p> <p>Okay, I guess I've been up too long. That magic talk was out of line.</p>
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and Jackson has no balls anymore.He should have stopped after "Meet the Feebles",which was his masterpiece.
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Feel better now? <br>
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And that's it.
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Jan. 29, 2008, 7:34 a.m. CST
Gullermo Del Toro's Peter Jackson's Wes Cravens New Nightmare
by skeletonjack
I reckon Vern's onto something: I'd love to see a Del Toro directed Frddy flick. Even better, how about he directs Peter Jacksons Elm Street script, or better still let the pair of them come up witha new Nightmare film?! Back to the main topic though: I'd prefer just the one film of the Hobbit to be honest, and if Jackson wont direct it (as I would have happen in a perfect world) then Del Toro is as good a replacement as any.
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Seriously 'unfilmable' if anything ever was. You so called 'horror' devotees just stick to your Rob Zombie, Texas Chainsaw, torture porn etc... bullshit. Don't dillute the greatest literary cosmic-horror with mediocre CG and bad 'hip' casting choices.
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I realize this is the wrong talkback but this is the most viewed right now so I figured what the hell. Christopher Nolan has a tribute to Heath Ledger at Newsweek. It's very touching. http://www.newsweek.com/id/105580
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you troll fantasy / comic book fans while you apparently haven't the vaguest notion that all the films you love so much, be it Blade 2 or the Freddy movies, Steve Dumptruck Seagal or the first Die Hard movie or whatever, are FANTASY COMIC BOOKS MOVIES! Bruce Willis diving out of a skyscraper with a firehose and back into a lower storey is as much fantasy schoolboy bullshit as dragons or anti-terrorist teams based on dolls, or giant alien robots. You're welcome. Come on, stop busting TB'ers chops on the basis of your supposedly superior aesthetics of 'realism' or 'toughness', and concentrate on writing entertaining, blow-coffee-out-your-nose funny reviews. Ok, to be fair you haven't been grinding an axe on this thread in particular, but I can sense more of your unwarranted geek-sniping rolling up on the horizon. The fact that you've done time in prison because it was too difficult for you to obey the laws of your country neither makes you a man, nor immune to being a geek. Regarding that shit you said about the need for more Blade and Freddy - they were great for what they were in their day (yeah, I think of Blade as 'back in the day' now), but what is there left to do with them in your opinion? I'm genuinely interested. And don't gimme any crap about you worrying someone might pilfer your ideas, we've got our own thanks. *mental note - pilfer Vern's ideas*
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Del Toro hasn't got the magic touch with audiences, his films look great but he has yet to prove he can make a connection the way Jackson has. Ok, so was Jackson's LOTR but to less of a degree. Pan's WAY overrated, and that guy who basically said Ophelia hadn't emotionally earned her Princessdom at the end was right on the money - she hadn't witnessed shit. But yes, Del Toro should be given a shot at bringing his own definitive big-budget vision to MoM. If he fucks it up, Lovecraft's pan-dimensional nightmares will survive and find their way into the hands of a better filmaker eventually... but in the meantime I'm remain fully jazzed at the prospect of Del Toro successfully combining HP's cataclysmic dread with Blade 2s visceral fireworks. Yeah, I said Blade 2, batches. Del Toro, get your ass to MoM.
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there are some here who have a gigantic pole up their ass.
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You fucking fucks! Hobbit will rule them all you fucks! Fuck you haters! Why the hate? Fuckers! Go fucking drool over mindless crap like Rambo. You fucks!
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Where the hell do you get off saying some of us - *check own ass* Oh. My mistake...
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what's all this about Dave Grohl doing a cameo in the new Star Trek?
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i'd let that guy finger me in the dump-hole fo sho!sorry, that wasn't overly ladylike.<p>so who won the smackdown, gents? cholera, are you standing proud? terry, are you triumphant? or are both you girls wallowing in a morass of your own doo doo butter?
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I know several people who had their lives changed by it! The important thing to remember is to continue to exercise once you have lost the weight. My suggestion is that you purchase a quiet horizontal exercise bike. These are easier on the joints and can provide the necessary 20-45 minutes of strong cardiovasular exercise while still watching a good movie! Good luck, man!
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You are correct of course, got a little carried away, thinking much faster than my fumbling fingers can type. I was actually thinking in terms a of a "flashback". Imagine the garrisons fighting the see-saw battles for Osgiliath telling stories to new recruits or something. *** The obvious thing, as others have indirectly pointed out, would be be to focus on the activities of the White Council following the close of "The Hobbit" and draw in other threads as the character arcs cross.
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...was a bit overated I must agree. Still good, but the way some TB'ers here said they wept at the ending...and Del Toro saying the film almost "killed him"...had me thinking I was going to to see a masterpiece for the ages... Not quite. LOTR had some very moving scenes i.e Gandalf's death. Howard Shore's score had a big impact too. And BTW, Shore had BETTER be on board for this too or heads will roll.
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...don't take it so hard. You must admit you were engaging in covert genre bashing, right? I mean, what did you expect? You come to a TB that has an important announcement (true or not) for Tolkien geeks then proceed to, in effect, tell us DT is wasting his time on this shit. So what did you expect mate? Love your writing and always look forward to your reviews. Stop with the cliched perceptions...not every Tolkien fan is a D&D (never had any interest in RPG's...none) playing stereotype that requires mindless internet bullying. Grow up and get your balls back but don't disparage others taste because it may not be inline with your own...simple as that.
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touche...
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I too had a friend, a long time Tolkien fan, who died of diabetes complications four months before Fellowship premiered. I know she would've loved it as I kept her up to speed on all the trailers. Dam...
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...and everyone knows fries are better with mustard! Especially FRENCH'S mustard. heh, knew that was coming didn't ya? I'll bet DelToro and harry like 'em with taco sauce (just staying on topic) when they watch Return of the King together.
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...Ungoliant didn't get to munch down on any Silmaril...that pesky Blackheart kept all three of 'em and stuck 'em in his ugly assed Crown. It says so right in that book...Morgoth's Jools (thank'ee kindly for the spelling though).
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The decisive winner of the Great Sequel/Prequel Flame War Debate of 'o8, just when it was about to spin rapidly out of control, was Godfather Part II, which kicks everybody right in the babymaker.
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Although I put on a brave face, that when Terry tore his shirt off, I pissed myself.
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as with the legendary-in-our-own-minds latvian (?) boyfriend punching story, this, too, shall live in infamy. the tribal elders will gather round the fires in the future days when we have managed to nuke ourselves back to the stone age and tell the story of the TB where one brave soul crumbled in the face of 12 chest hairs.
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Cheer up buddy, your posts are still in black, and the rest of us usually have to resort to saying FUCK or FAG to get or points across.
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I don't want them making it up or piecing things together from a loose synopsis of a story from one of the Lost Tales.
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the lexicon of patton oswalt will, naturally, survive. so will, most likely, the language of cheezburger. i can see it now - 'o hai, childrens. gathr round dis nyse fir. i can has holokosts? kkthxbai!'
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oh xi, you know how to make my day. any time we can bring it back to xenu, it's a good day for me.
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I didn't say anything bad about The Hobbit. I like the Lord of the Rings movies, who doesn't? But since I was accused of bad mouthing it I guess I will go ahead and do that. This is a smaller scaled prequel. It's not gonna be as exciting as the epic trilogy. New Line is only making it because their last fantasy movie flopped and this is a sure bet. It's an obvious cash grab. And especially turning it into two movies! How do you turn the smaller scaled children's book prequel into two movies?<p> So you guys are right, I should be excited because he will do a good job and make it worthy of the desperate cash grab. I just don't think it's the fucking Holy Grail. I'm torn about him being substitute-Peter Jackson. He is so talented. Sure it's exciting to see "the director of Pan's Labyrinth doing the Hobbit" but for me personally it would be more exciting to see his followup to Pan's Labyrinth. I wish Peter Jackson could do it while Del Toro's off doing his Del Toro movies.<p> But like I said from the beginning, I will be excited to watch it and he will do a great job (unless he doesn't do it - the Hollywood Reporter story says "in talks"). So get off my fucking balls, etc. I also want to be very clear that I have known alot of hobbits, they are a proud culture and a valuable part of the world community, and I don't care if everybody thinks they're gay.
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We're not talking about salad dressing here, we're talking real mayonnaise. Try it. Brandy Bean is unable to get me an ID (says he forgot how to do it, as of December 24) so I won't be joining your barbecue any time soon. Sorry. (I just posted this message in Harry's Picks and Peeks TB by mistake...) Off topic: My casting choice for Beorn having suddenly died last week, I suggest Jude Law as a replacement or possibly Macaulay Culkin. Additionally, I propose Hillary Clinton as Bombur's wife Bombette.
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thats all.
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first there was the mcavoy star trek rumor out there on the inter webs, now this one. it's the syndrome that happens whenever a star rises - their name starts to get mentioned for every posh role that comes down the pike, even if they actually aren't up for it. mcavoy is a dope actor but i agree with the above...martin freeman's probably better suited. but i should actually keep my yap shut in general since i never read the book and i only remember tom bombadil as being some fruity character from 'fellowship' who owned a pony and likes trees. i am a bad judge of this whole thing. bring on the lovecraft, instead!
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to make his own lotr triogy. I would love to see what he/she comes up with.
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theres no mistaking you for a homosexual. you are a real hetero....totalyl straight. haha hobbits are fags...awesome! you're so straight. nice one! not gay ...AT ALL. thumbs up....
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we still love you!
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MORE BLADE NOW! <br><br> Yes, he'll make a great Hobbit, but I want BLADE Dammit! I want a REAL Blade 3, directed by Del Toro, starring Snipes. I want Wesley to give Blade a proper send off before some other jakov takes over the franchise. Blade:Trinity was a farce and doesn't deserve to be recognized as the final film. <br><br> DEL TORO! SNIPES! Get to the choppa!
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I'll not be shelling out my hard earned money to see these in the theater unless they're PJ's films. Period. And that's not a complaint about Guillermo, he's great! I, like others, simply feel that these films MUST have the same tone and scope, the same look to the cinematography and the same feel to the dialogue (direction!) as the first three, or I'm not going to be nearly as interested. Guillermo being excited about expanding the world makes me even MORE uninterested. Those exact words have been said 10,000 times by a director stepping into an established franchise and 9,958 of them, give or take, have failed miserably. <br><br> Go Vern!
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Amen to that brother!
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Is that why the little one tried to put his rubber fist...<p><p><p>http://tinyurl.com/2wqbv5<p><p><p>Oh. My. God.
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...the news here is that Harry is going to do something about his turning into Jabba the Hut. Glad to see you;re gonna do it harry. But ya know what? Surgery is rough. No matter waht it gonna be a total bitch. I'm sure you've seen this: http://www.hemmy.net/2007/07/02/david-smith-amazing-weight-lost-story/
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Although as long as he's involved I can't complain. Except about the idea of a 2nd movie pulled out of the collective ass of PJ and Del TORO. Might be a deal breaker.
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Or perhaps 'Freddy & Blade' (in a 'Tango & Cash' mismatched-Buddy team-up sort of effort). It might be shit. It might not be though. Theres only one way to find out. Make it happen New Line!
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But if Del Toro is directing I would like to request that it take place during the Spanish Civil War.
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i have hairy fett, does that make me a hobbit?
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Fett is spelled "feet".
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so don't feel bad
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thanks
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Jan. 29, 2008, 7:33 p.m. CST
Whoever said Jackson's movies are expertly paced is on crack
by TallBoy66
His movies have serious pacing problems, they need to be cut a half hour out of all of 'em. But I like him having a hand in it, and maybe Del Toro will make a movie that isn't 3 hours long.
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No sweaty-da's so don't take a roaddit on my account. Like your take on the White Council scenario. Hah, I can hear some of the Osgilliath garrison talk:<p> Ranger 1: "Pfftt---shoop-WHOOSSHHH! Holy Western Elf tits, where'd you get this shit Mablung?!! Hoo-and-hah but that'll straighten out your pubes!<p>Ranger 2: "Remember that Thorongil guy, y'know, great fighter but was kinda skanky? He got this shit from some runts out West. Hoblits or something like that. Said they were a bit on the tooty-fruity side but they grow some awesome shit. I'm about out but he said he'd be back sometime and he'd cop some more for his buds. Got any of that honey cake left?"<p>Ranger 1: "Fuck, here comes that stick up his ass Boromir! Better stash that stuff!"
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Bean "Doesn't Remember"??? Leave it to me.
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Your characters don't really need to do a ten minute speech. Sure it's cool, but it's not really needed.
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You people are great. Was that Middle English mixed with intertubespeak? If I survive to old age in a nuclear holocaust, all the childrens of the village shall gather 'round as I relate to them the encounter. "So there I was...His twelve chest hairs inches from my face...HEY STOP PULLING ON MY BEARD YOU LITTLE BASTARD!"<p>TerryMalloy or any other who has read Silmarilion--what settings did that book take place in and how well were they described? I'd like to at least see some new stuff for the bridge movie, like Rhun, like I said, if they're gonna do it anyway.
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C'mon, what could be better than that? :)<p> Then 'The Avengers' and 'At The Mountains of Madness' come out in the summer of 2012 and the world immediately collapses into a black hole under the weight of all that coolness.<p> As much as I loved Jackson's films, this sounds just fine to me. We get a change of pace and new characters while still retaining Jackson's involvement (and hopefully WETA and some of the same actors). It should be loads of fun.<p>Perlman as Smaug would be terrific. Working Doug Jones into it would be terrific. As much as I liked Serkis, I think I preferred the "transitional" non-CG Gollum we saw in flashbacks to the fully-CG version. On repeated viewings, it doesn't work as well for me as the real actors do.<p>Good luck, Guillermo!
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i had a friend who spoke middle english. at the drop of a hat she could spout off spenser or beowulf or whatever and it sounded like she was speaking in tongues. so bizarre. i can barely write in lolcatspeak, myself. have you seen those people 'translating' the bible? it's hy-larious.<p>should i read the hobbit? or the simallimilarilion? i never bothered with either because i had conceptions about them...the hobbit being wimpy, the other one with the long name being obstruse. am i wrong?
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thanks for bringing it out, guys. bad enough i'm sitting here with the goddamned 'return of the king' playing on the dvd just for background noise. i should just pack my shit and head for the nearest renaissance faire.
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It's not as pansy-ass as one might at first think, on account of the shit that gets thrown Bilbo and Co.'s way. The Trolls, the warg-riders, Gollum, The MIRKWOOD SPIDERS, and of course Smaug. Then there's the Battle of Five Armies. It's a pretty nifty fucking tale.<p>Xiphos, I have a great fondness for Beyond Thunderdome. The cage colloseum with the gratuitous chainsaws was the ShEET. At least it was when I saw it as a wee lad.<p>By the way I recognize Middle English because I think Chaucer is the man.
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Who here has been to one? And if so, is there mead?
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Bilbo has to prove his mettle, but Thorin is The Man. Or The Dwarf, rather.
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Looked cool in the post-apocalypse gear. One of the beneficial side effects of nuclear war is the lack of Gap outlets that finally forces humanity to adopt a proper sense of fashion.
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And the cool Hobbit trailer idea?
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That's just funny.
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weren't you the least bit jealous that he was GIVEN the ducati? he didn't have to work for it or anything! well, you're a better man than i am, when i think of all the swag celebrities get it literally gives me a cramp. i hope at least he did a photoshoot for it that re-enacted the poster for top gun with kelly mcgillis crawling on him. rad.<p>well i have a borders coupon and i will go get the hobbit tomorrow on your excellent recommendations, gents. i think my misconceptions of the hobbit arise from the bakshi animation. not that there's ANYTHING wrong with bakshi but it's planted in my head as being kind of warm and fuzzy, you know? i am glad to prove myself wrong.
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to go to a renaissance faire, I will raise my tankard of mead to Thorin, the last king under the mountain, asskicking dwarf of the first magnitude.<p>And if anyone says I'm being a dingbat Tolkien nerd, I shall STRIKE THEM DOWN WHERE THEY STAND.
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it's kind of hylarious, the idea that somehow everybody's closet will be annihilated and we have to piece together our clothing from rubber hoses and scraps of dog hide. actually i wish i had the stones to dress like that all the time, although without a concealed weapons permit the leather gun rig would look kinda weak.
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to shoot a mockumentary about renaissance faires. you'd have to do a mockumentary and not a doc (a la trekkies or the lord of the rings people) because there's NOTHING touching about renaissance faires. renaissance faires are wack. plus you could throw in pirate faires and those crazy people who do real swordfighting, i forget what they're called. it could be so damned funny.
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There has to be a lot of material there. I've been creeped out by renaissance faires ever since the jousting restaurant from The Cable Guy. I've also been frightened of the cable guy.
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A .357 on a hip holster. Just a little old .357, and people still gave him the stink eye.<p>And by the way, if a cable guy ever starts wanting to hang out with me I'm going to kill the fucker and make it look like an accident. I'm sorry but that's just how it has to be.
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HP, it's even got the a similar creepy, ominous tone. Would have been perfect. And WB should have looked through the green haze of the cash they were making hand over fist and realized that the 5th book needed to be two movies, not the 7th.
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for all my jibing i actually think the SCA people know their shit. in fact i have used their literature as reference for film design i've done - their stuff is much more accurate and detailed than a lot of textbooks out there. the people i'm thinking of are kind of like those 'mountain men' groups - gangs of lunatics who get together and fucking joust and swordfight using the same giant equipment that was used in medieval tymes. i'll think of the name, give me a few.<p>xi, you drive a ducati? that's hot.
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speed away! just please don't get decapitated, i saw that happen to a guy once. bike vs. tree, ended badly.
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In high school I made a student video where a guy gets decapitated in such a manner. I thought it was funny. I guess that's why I got an "F".<p>Also, what is a Silmaril, and can that book have any influence on The Hobbit 2?
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i also think the whole 'meat pies made out of people' element of sweeney todd is funny, so i'm with you. did you ever read the excellent collection of novellas by stephen king, 'different seasons'? it's the one with 'stand by me' and 'shawshank' in it. well the last story is my favorite, it's about a woman who gives birth after she's decapitated. totally rad. guillermo could do that one!
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But I only read the Apt Pupil and Shawshank Redemption stories, so I sadly missed that one. This was a looooong time ago, before the Shawshank movie even came out. Guillermo, however, could be an excellent choice for a SK story. I just hope that, you know...we get some Lovecraft first.
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I've never been hit center mass with one but I'm sure it must suck. And you're certainly right, it is NOTHING to be laughed at.
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every once in a while i love to revisit old stephen king. 'the stand,' how fucking brilliant was that book. well gents i must away, until tomorrah!
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Words of wisdom.<p>Of course, there are some rounds that will fuck up your chili bowl worse than others if it doesn't hit something critical, but I know you have to already be very well versed in the whole science of that.
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I didn't even notice the typo, Xiphos. The human mind usually just fills in the gaps so that's why I now say "corrections be damned"!
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Is more discussion on weaponry. Short bow vs. long bow. Short blade vs. claymore.
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She directed some of the best scenes in LOTR Trilogy.
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Gandalf goes "ah yes, an Elven Mark 6, adjustable grip, dual serration for optimal web-cutting action, comes equipped with blu-ray orc detection and full war runes."
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I don't know if anyone will agree with me ....but the dragons entrance in Beowulf is fantastic. If Smaug is anything like that I would be pleased.
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I know you're such a fucking loser you have all your self-esteem piled into PJ and the shitastic LOTR movies but seriously, stop sniffing your own shit long enough to clear the dumb ass out of your head before you post. In closing, fuck you very much for reading you dripping diseased cunt.
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See Blade:2 "Bloodhunt" Whatever. That guy is shit. Peter Jackson would be best obviously, but if not get Sam Raimi, Alfonso Cuaron or someone who knows what they are doing.
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Seriously.
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I think Del Toro is a good fit, and better than Rami, IMO. And that hurts me to say, as much as I love the Evil Dead stuff, I just think Del Toro's recent efforts were far superior to say, Spider-man 3. Anyway, The observation has often been made of late how Lucas let others take the director's seat after Episode IV and, in the case of Episode V at least, it is indisputable that this was a wise decision. Could Del Toro conjur up the same magic for Hobbit Pt 1 & 2? That's a swamp even I'd not tread through at this point. I'd like to think he could, though.
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<p> The Silmarillion has a lot of cool worlds. But unlike the Hobbit, it actually is very dense, simply because of all the unfamiliar locations, names, etc. I've only read it once but it's more like a history book than a fantasy novel. You'll want to have the Maps of Middle Earth laid out on the table as you go through this thing. </p> <p> And if I'm not mistaken, Middle Earth does not look the same at all from age to age. Continents shift like Pangea. It's craziness. </p>
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is pretty much a wasteland. Not much going on there. I think. I'm not going to bother looking it up but I'm pretty sure. Maybe.
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...looks like I went off half cocked there. Lessee morGy, what part of "excited about the Hobbit" is so hard to comprehend? Duh! Appy polly loggies mate and here's what I'll do to make amends:<p>Since we know PJ reads these TB's, let me offer up a suggestion. I know from reading The History of the Hobbit that Tolkien had originally named Gandalf "Bladorthin." Know where I'm headed? Yep, get Wesley Snipes to play, tah-dah, BLADEORTHIN in the Hobbit! That would bring him back for one more movie and I'm sure the writers will have no problem working in the angle of Gand, erm, I mean Bladeorthin being a vampire Istari. That'll also make the TOLKIEN IS A RACIST! crowd happy. Man, they could cast Tommy Lee Jones (just cuz he's on a roll...no Blade connexion) as Thorin Oakenshield too and I'm sure Kris Kristopherson(sp?) would be happy to play Beorn. While they're at it, get Bruce Willis to play a foul-mouthed wise cracking Bard of Esgaroth and I think we've made you a happy, happy Vern. Whatcha think?<p>Sigh, looks like I'm back in form, eh elanor-lass?
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...since you like Thunderdome so much, you really, really owe it to yourself to go to the source: Riddly Walker by Russell Hoban. It's a great post-apocalyptical story and is the basis for Thunderdome. If memory serves, Hoban was in on the movie, at first, but dropped out when he became dissatisfied with the direction of the adaptation. He took the title with him (Skyway Moaters can tell you all about it if you ask him perlitely). A bit difficult to read until you get used to the language...it's a great tell and pretty soon you'll be impressing (and baffling) your friends with all sorts of "Riddly-speak."<p> BTW, did you mean M-4 or M-14? I prefer an M-240 or SAW meeself.
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I seem to remember Aragorn or someone talking about travelling there and having cool things to say about it. I could be wrong.
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Could have made quite a difference in the Gondor battles.
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...it already works! Replace the staff with a katana and you're halfway there.
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and this is classic - it totally fits into this guillermo TB - the group is called ragnarok, believe it or not! GHEY.
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Trust me, you goblin scum! PJ will bring glory back to the silver screen with Del Toro directing The Hobbit. And of course it needs to be a 2-part movie, you scumbags. In fact, it needs to be a 35 part movie. Why? Becuase all other movies suck balls when compared to the LOTR Trilogy!!! Now go watch Rambo and American Pie 17 while circle jerking with your mamma's man-whore!
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He already fucked the living shit out of the LOTR books, why give him a chance at 4 more hours of weepy eyed fuck me stares and tickle fighting homo midget porn action?
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Why? Because that is what is best in life. Homo wandering midgets with fuck me eyes! Let us not forget the faggot old wizards who love to "study" them.
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It's just not possible if they did a literal translation of the book. It would be 80-90 minutes, maybe 100 if they stretched it. They're clearly going to have to pull from the Silmarillion, Books of Tales and the possibly the Lays of the Beleriand if they're going to make two feature length films. Personally, I really loved 'Children of Hurin' and could see it from a cinematic POV when reading it, but I don't think Christopher would let them touch that one, unfortunately.
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Depressing as hell but great nonetheless.
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but wouldn't it be brazilliant to make a mockumentary about it? i also think a dope mockumentary could be made about RPG and online gaming. like, making fun of that toolbag fatal1ty and all those douchebaguettes. i know it would have less widespread appeal but it would still be satisfying, no? hy-larity!
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Not a lot is known. http://en.wiki pedia.org/wiki/Rh%C3%BBn
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...with geek being the operative word here...making me wonder why no one has been to anything like Necronomicon? (as in the gaming convention?)....only a few have been to Renaissance festivals? (yes they sell mead...taste surprisingly like beer...plus turkey leg Flinstone style). Suprised anyone had even heard of the SCA. At Necro, I vividly remember all the people running around playing live action RPG "Vampire: The Masquerade". The best though was this big tall dude with a big black acid wash trench coat (don't ask me!) but he had speakers hidden in the coat with a continual loop of the theme music to The Omen (the original). He had this really creepy psuedo-ominous look...it was full-on ass kicking sweetness...of that there is no doubt.
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Yeah, I should've picked up on the M4 designation. BTW, I fat fingerd the word Riddly-speak...Skyway would kill me as it's parperly named "Riddleyspeak." But then I revver newit til I divvit the pirntowt. Blobs yer numkel an thats my tell. Drop Johns ryding on my back.
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Del Torro gonna double dip? like Hobbit 1 comes out on dvd-then six months later, the extended version, then 6 monhts AFTER that Hobbit 2, and ext.version 6 mo. later too? only to be triple dipped by re-packaging both films and re-titling them Pan's Labrynth 2 + 3, extended versions? cant wait!
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poeticwarriorII, you are fucking messed up. Peter Jackson brought the LotR to life like nobody else could. And you may not know this but he was also nominated for best director 2 times...and won in 2003. So shove that up your ass before you go bashing PJ. And using your homophobic beliefs against the LotR is just plain stupid. Who cares if Sam and Frodo are a little gay? Does that make them bad people in your opinion? Arg...people like you annoy me so much. Anyways Guillermo Del Toro would be an excellent choice as director. He brings such depth and beauty to every inch of the screen. Exactly what we need for an epic masterpeice like The Hobbit.
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Well, I think it's cool PJ's involved, and I want the "look" of the film to match LOTR. I don't agree with everything PJ did, including the obvious reversals with Gandalf and Moria, Frodo rejecting Sam, Faramir taking Frodo to Osgiliath, etc., but these things didn't ruin the movies for me. I want the same attention to detail and care for the "historic" feel of Middle Earth that PJ exhibited in the LOTR. With a much smaller novel, things will probably stick closer to the original story. I think GDT will do a great job, I like Hellboy, Blade 2, and Pan's Labyrinth. It's awesome this whole thing is coming to fruition. And, er, I don't hate Vern.
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'Children of Hurin' is a huge part of what would/could make it cinematically great, in my mind anyway. Especially as an opposite to 'The Hobbit', which has a much more "sunny", "up" feel to it than a lot of Tolkien's other work. But last I read Christopher was unhappy with the Camp PJ. So like I said, I doubt that will ever happen.<br><br>5 by 5: "Faramir taking Frodo to Osgiliath" is the only one that really made me go "wtf?!". Otherwise I can accept, or at least deal with, everything else he changed. And I've watched every minute of the behind the scenes dvds and listened to all the cast commentaries, so I understand the logic of giving ol' Fams a greater arch to his story. But I would have been much happier with more about the Houses of Healing, an on screen, CLEAR explanation of what happened between he and Eowyn, and less of PJ's changes.
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I got what you meant. We had SIX years of Tolkien. The fantasy fan-ship hasn't sailed, but let's just let the whores settle down before you make viewers come back like the sixth fleet to the same shit.<p>As far as Freddy or Blade...I like Freddy, but Jesus, I could beat the shit out of him, because I've seen Dream Warrior a thousand times. I even have the Dream Warrior soundtrack. Also, Robert Englund hasn't been scary since V: The Series.<p>That said, the fucks at New Line thought they could rob the artists by shilling out a shitty version of The Golden Compass probably thinking that the people loved LOTR because it had whimsy and elves and shit. This is why Hollywood is a festering crotch wound; everyone with money gets some kind of fucking mental retardation from being rich or something, and just allow shit like Daddy Day Camp to exist. For every damned LOTR series we get, there are literally 20 or 30 middle of the road 'safe' flicks that I don't want to see.<p>I say another Freddy movie would be great, but get Wes Craven off his ass and make up for Scream. Though, horror movies need to do something special these days to fuck with people and actually, you know, scare them. Folks these days don't seem to get scared at the movies. I don't mean 'eerie, because fingers are coming out of Jessica Alba's eye' kind of scary, I'm talking about Cronenberg in the bathroom in his rubber trenchcoat offing himself with a pair of scissors in Dead Zone. That will FUCK A BODY UP.<p>Hobbits aren't gay, but the entire concept of their fruity innocence and youthful appearance shames the closet homos into barking about how 'gay' they are. I think dudes with moustaches like Triple H are kind of gay, but that's because a guy I know likes dudes like that.<p>More Hobbit flicks after the Blade series continues, besides Snipes needs to get out of hock somehow, and I know for damn sure there's no 'Money Train 2' in the works.
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I had ice cold mead at the NY Ren Fair amd it was delicious. But it tasted nothing like beer at all. It's a honey wine type of thing. No carbination at all either. What kind of geek are you? I smell a narc.
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I know what mead is...my point is they didn't! Haha! (but the turkey legs were suprisingly good)
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The silly chard coal bloak has got his self ternt aroun as useral... Lion's Gate Films optioned the rights to Hoban's novel: "Riddley Walker". Pre production and production design work was complete, Mr. Hoban was collaborating on the script. Then Lion's Gate went quiet, and wouldn't return Hoban's or his agent's calls. Six weeks pass, and "Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome" goes into pre-production with a script smelling heavily of "Riddley Walker". All the stuff with the lost kids and "Captain Walker", down to some of the idiosyncratic dialect, is lifted straight from ideas in the book. The character "Aunty", played by Tina Turner is also derived from the novel. It is the 'personification of death' in the myth tradition of the tribal people that feature in the tale, some 2800 years on from some sort of apocalyptic disaster that blasted humanity back to an iron age. When you die you have to "do the juicy" with yer Aunty. She has: stoan boans and iron tits and teef betwean her legs. No bloak (excepting for 1) has ever got on top of Aunty. She crushes you down wif her stoan boans and iron tits and then finishes the job with her lower set of teef., and she has an iron willy for the laydies... Riddley Walker is imho, is a truly great novel, an important 20th century work. Hoban is on a par with Vonnegut, Dick, Matheson, Bradbury, Burgess etc. Some have compared RW to "Huck Finn". Go ahead and Google it, you know you want to
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The first film will be The Hobbit and the second film will be a kind of bridge/prequel to Lord of The Rings?
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...there was a period between the return of Bilbo to Bag End and Gandalf showing up at his door again that saw the rise of Sauron. He was only a mysterious figure then, the Necromancer, and it was during this period that Gandalf sorta outed him to the White Council. This council was composed of Galadriel, Elrond, Gandalf, Saruman and some other lesser know high muckity-mucks. There's a lot there that can serve as the basis for a bridge/prequel to LoTR movie. I'm extremely excited at the prospect, myself.<p> I don't think the screenwriters need to delve into the Silmarillion, however. It would be extremely cool if they touched on it though. It is, after all, the backstory to the Hobbit as well. Tolkien refers to it when Gandalf is telling about the blades (Sting, Glamdring and Orcrist) they find in the trolls hideaway. "They are from lost Gondolin!" or something like that. "The glimpse of a hidden vista." as Tolkien used to say.
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At the French premiere of The Orphanage, it was announced that he's officially the director of the Hobbit movies. Link is http://film.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2250245,00.html I'm really excited about this
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or "Ring Me Later"
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i would direct these myself, cast doug jones as the elf king of mirkwood, bring back as many lordoftheringers as i could, and make the second movie all about aragorn's backstory.
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Have they announced what they would be doing for the second film someplace? Or what material they're going to pull from? I didn't think that was fully decided yet.
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...what I should've said was: The bridge movie can include things that happen during the events in the Hobbit but are only referenced in the book proper. Thank'ee kindly for keeping me on the up-n-up.
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...I agree with redsded. Just focusing on Aragorn's story alone would be fantastic movie material. I think Aragorn and Gandalf meeting for the first time would be good backstory for LoTR (the movie). Aragorn fighting along side Thengel's Rohirrim and, of course, serving under Ecthelion II as Thorongil would serve as backstory for Denethor (and subsequently Boromir's) jealous attitude towards him. This was seen but never fully explained in Fellowship. The Nazgul re-occupying Gol Duldur could be built into yet another chance to show another battle (any occasion to see those snotty Elves getting their asses kicked is worth it :). We could even get something showing the Dwarves awakening Durin's Bane and the origin of the Balrog of Moria. Hey, what about Gollum meeting Shelob? O 'eck, there's plenty of stuff for a movie that would lead in nicely with the existing movies.
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Check out Quint's post where he interviews PJ (#30085) about his projects after Kong. This is an excerpt: "We think the two film idea is really smart. One of the problems with The Hobbit is that it is a fairly simple kids story, and doesn't really feel like The Lord of the Rings. Tonally I mean. It's always may be a little worried, but with two films that kinda gets easier. It allows for more complexity. At that implied stuff with Gandalf and the White Council and the return of Sauron could be fully explored." Phew, I hope that grammar murdering was a result of Quint's transposition (or tape recorder batteries running down!) but it gives you an idea of where the bridge movie subject material comes from.
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OK, I vaguely remember that. I guess that works, but I still don't see two films there. In my dream film world they would do two Tolkien anthologies. Maybe put a couple or three short stories in front of The Hobbit in the first film, end on a cliffhanger, start the second film from that point and finish The Hobbit, followed by a couple or three more short stories at the end. I know, I know - never happen. Like I said, it's my dream. Otherwise I would be much more happy with a Hobbit film, and then another feature length film of some other story, or maybe a second film that's more of an anthology. But really, it would make more sense to go with the anthology first in that case. Maybe cover some of the creation stories. Because as has been mentioned, they're pretty damn imaginative, and they could be told visually in a much more easilly understandable way than the way they read in the Silmarillion. Anywho, I'm still more excited about this Talk Back than I am the actual films, because PJ should be directing them, damn it.
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...Oh my gawd! MORE walking?!! Yeah, that would be cool...Aragorn putting the fear o' Westernesse into old Slinker. Yeah, I'm with you Jaka but it just doesn't appear that PJ directing the Hobbit isn't in the cards. Ah well, maybe he'll option Children of Hurin though I still think the Tale of Beren and Luthien would be a better source for a flick from Sil. Geez, I'm such a Tolkien whore!
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Forgot the space and I meant "...doesn't appear that PJ directing the Hobbit IS in the cards." Confuscate and bother this site!
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S'all good. I speak TalkBack. lol Yes! The Beren and Luthien tale, or any other "history" alluded to in the films (even the EE) would be incredible! And I totally understand being a Tolkien whore. Heh.
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