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Guillermo Del Toro To Direct Back-To-Back Features from THE HOBBIT!?!?!

Hey folks, Harry here... In the geek community for quite some time, the rumor has been that Guillermo Del Toro was going to be directing THE HOBBIT. The day that the announcement came that Peter Jackson was playing nice with New Line - and that Weta was going to be handling the fx - and everyone was a happy family again... I was talking to Guillermo about some personal issues (the Lapband operation, Guillermo had one quite a while back, and has been encouraging me to take that step. Which I am) - and during that conversation - he suddenly brought up THE HOBBIT and how he wanted to direct it and how he thought it was going to happen. Well now - the trades are reporting on it. I saw the story up this morning on Hollywood Reporter's Story - the writing on this project has not been OFFICIALLY decided yet, due to the Writer's strike, but apparently Jackson and Guillermo will oversee the script's creation. They're saying $150 million per film... and I just wonder... is Ron Perlman going to be the voice of Smaug? And will Gollum suddenly become a man in a costume via Doug Jones? (of course not, Andy Serkis will be back) But you KNOW that Doug Jones is gonna be something awesome in this. When Guillermo and I talked about it, he spoke very heartfelt about how he had to adhere to what Peter had already established - but how he couldn't wait to expand that universe with the environments, creatures and most especially Smaug. I'm giddy.

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  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:17 a.m. CST


    by messi


  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:19 a.m. CST


    by the9points

    Mutha fucker.. Nice. Erases some of the initial skepticism.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:19 a.m. CST


    by messi

    Even subconsciously you know the difference, and I love Del Toro, but Jackson's pacing is second to none. I love the flow of his films, they are like Cult of Luna songs. Just free flowing and perfect.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:19 a.m. CST

    OMG! Second?!

    by skywalkerfamily

    This guy has some weird stuff, but it could be great!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:20 a.m. CST

    What will happen is....

    by messi

    It will get close to it and New Line will realize that it is wrong to not have Peter Jackson on it.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:20 a.m. CST


    by HordePrime

    Best choice if not Peter Jackson!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:21 a.m. CST

    It won't feel the same

    by messi

    it isn't supposed to have that tone. but Jackson's framing and pace is different to Del Toro's and it needs to feel part of that world, with Howard Shore's music and everything else.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:22 a.m. CST

    I was let down that Peter Jackson wouldn't be directing...

    by MaxG

    but this is actually better. I'd really rather see Peter Jackson doing non-LOTR stuff, and get to see what Guillmero Del Toro would do with The Hobbit. Awesome.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:22 a.m. CST

    Ron Perlman as Smaug. Good idea.

    by DarthCorleone

    Hmmmm...I'm torn about this. Del Toro is great, but I'd also like to see the Jackson-directed continuity.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:23 a.m. CST

    How about Robert Zemeckis?

    by skywalkerfamily

    Beowulf was cool.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:25 a.m. CST

    Ummm... awesome!!!

    by JackIsLost

    You know, I am not the biggest fan of "Pan's Labyrinth" but I am glad this isn't going to be a Peter Jackson joint, b/c he is pretty well Tolkien-ed out at this point. This should be interesting... even though I still see absolutely NO need for TWO films...

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:28 a.m. CST

    Guillermo Will do great

    by TheEnemy8

    I have full confidence that del toro can pull it off and make the hobbit just as good if not better that LOTR.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:28 a.m. CST


    by SebastianHaff

    I love Del Toro. Huge Devil's Backbone fan. But I'd prefer we keep the PJ continuity. I really would.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:29 a.m. CST

    This is all due to the failure of THE GOLDEN COMPASS

    by JackIsLost

    Seriously, is Bob Shaye still over there? I don't keep up with these things. But I at least know the studio is hurting bad financially and needs a hit (or TWO)...

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:30 a.m. CST

    Golden Compass did quite well overseas.

    by skywalkerfamily

    It bombed here because people that read the bible were scared of it.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:30 a.m. CST



    Perfect match with Director, the executive producer mr. jackson, and the material. <p> Do what you have to do to take care of yourself harry. You wanna live to play around with your future younglings don't ya?

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:31 a.m. CST

    Go, I hope so.

    by Multiplex

    Peter Jackson's great, but he's so god damn cheesy sometimes. Guillermo del Toro will (I hope) approach the material a bit less melodramatically.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:32 a.m. CST


    by Multiplex

    Please. Everybody knows religious people never actually read the Bible.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:32 a.m. CST


    by skywalkerfamily

    That was pretty good!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:38 a.m. CST

    Del Toro is the best non-Jackson choice

    by Rindain

    I think The Hobbit films should certainly have a different tone than the Rings movies (just as the Hobbit book did), and I think the fresh viewpoint Guillermo will bring (balanced of course by Jackson as exec. prod.) will do a great service to the material. Can't WAIT for Smaug.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:40 a.m. CST

    Holy shit!

    by Mezzanine

    This is great news, Del Toro was my second choice if Jackson wouldn't be back. And of course, after this makes money hand over fist, Guillermo will finally have enough clout to get AT THE MOUNTAINS OF MADNESS made. <p> Its a win-win situation.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:40 a.m. CST

    very happy with this

    by GavinVanDraven

    del toro should fill in nicely as director, and pj will make sure it still has his feel to things as well.... dont see how this could fail.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:41 a.m. CST

    Bilbo casting

    by blackhole4140

    Good luck with the lap band surgery, Harry. Oh yeah, and the dude that played Ollie in the Mist should be Bilbo.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:45 a.m. CST

    I'm officially excited...

    by Ravetin what I'll say when this is official. For the first Hobbit movie anyway. I know there's more than enough material in Tolkiendom to make a movie but...why? Either way, seeing how well GDT can ape someone's style (in a good way) with Blade 2, it's hard to imagine this going wrong.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:46 a.m. CST

    Isn't Hobbit a children's story?

    by skywalkerfamily

    Why is a guy who does hard fantasy doing this?

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:47 a.m. CST

    "back-to-back Hobbit" is code name for Blade 4&5

    by Vern

    I hope. I mean hobbits are fine and everything but let's quit fucking around here New Line. You want to not go out of business, you know what to do. Give us some Blade, give us some Freddy, we give you some money, everybody's happy. The fantasy adventure train has left the building, but Blade IS the building. And Freddy is the janitor of the building. But not a very good one, in my opinion. But you know, union rules and everything.<p> Anyway, whatever Del Toro directs I will watch it. Even without Blade in it. But that doesn't mean I gotta be happy about it.

  • Oh shit, double erection. Maybe he can help out Darabont's Frakenstein movie, too.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:48 a.m. CST

    JackIsLost: Need for two films

    by Cavaliere

    In terms of "key sequences" alone The Hobbit has almost as much to offer as LotR - so I am very happy that two films will most likely show us: The Trolls, the Misty Mountains ambush, the riddles in the dark, the burning trees/wolves, the agonizing journey (for the company;) through Mirkwood, the spiders, the Elves, the barrel escape, the dragon's revenge, burning laketown, Thorin almost murdering Bilbo, the battle of the five armies - and there will be so many more set pieces ... With some buildup to these sequences this alone would hardly fit in a three hour timeframe, so I don't see anything wrong with going for two (even three) movies.


  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:50 a.m. CST

    We saw the Trolls in the Fellowship movie

    by skywalkerfamily

    and Bilbo finding the ring in flashback.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:52 a.m. CST after HOBBIT maybe TINTIN...?

    by Crabtree

    I was already wondering if the mystery 3rd director of the upcoming TINTIN trilogy would be either Del Toro or Alfonso Cuaron (only Peter Jackson and Spielberg have been announced). The Mexicans are "hot right now". And now this... Del Toro being handpicked by PJ for THE HOBBIT. It's looking more and more likely he's also going to be brought in on TINTIN.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:53 a.m. CST

    Two films...

    by Ravetin

    I thought I heard one was supposed to be an adapt. of The Hobbit and the other one a gap filler between The Hobbit and LotR. Stretching the Hobbit out to 360+ minutes is a little distressing. If they have two movies to fill, they're gonna use EVERYTHING from the book. Including "billy bolly, how the valley is jolly" or whatever the fuck the elves were singing about.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:54 a.m. CST

    Children's story?

    by Cavaliere

    The violence, the betrayal (Bilbo stealing the jewel), the anger (of Thorin), the deaths of so many people (even some main characters) make this more than a children's story, IMHO.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:56 a.m. CST

    He couldn't even finish reading LOTR!

    by Flame of the West

    Please please, not this a**hole. He freely admits being unable to finish LOTR when he started it. How can we possibly entrust these movies to this guy? He simply wont understand the nuances and complexities of Tolkien's world. A disaster.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:58 a.m. CST

    I heart Doug Jones

    by buffywrestling

    When I was younger, I used to be a big fan of Kane Hodder - not necessarily for his films but just the way he inhabited his character - the stomping walk, the lurched shoulders. Doug Jones affects me that way now - his mime hands and lilting head movements. So cool.˙

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:58 a.m. CST

    ...Wait a sec...

    by Zephyr1988

    This should be enormous news. Why hasn't any other website other than this one and Hollywood Reporter have this article? Unless this just hit...either way, awesome news!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:01 a.m. CST

    I'd be excited about this if I didn't just get run over by Rambo

    by Kirbymanly

    Rambo is the fucking best movie I've seen in a long while

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:06 a.m. CST

    Barring Jackson...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...this is the best choice for director by far. Great news. <p> However, the real question is whether ringwearer9 is currently in the throes of orgasm or violently gnashing his teeth in agony?

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:11 a.m. CST

    Doc, maybe he's violently gnashing an orgasm...

    by BadMrWonka

    you know...sort of gnashing know...

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:16 a.m. CST


    by Bass Bastardson

    erm... yeah. I actually think this is a pretty good choice, although Guillermo might be too dark for The Hobbit. The Hobbit was always a bit brighter and more "fun" than LOTR, even in it's darkest moments, and I don't know if Guillermo is the right guy to bring in if you want to lighten the tone. That being said, I like his work and I think he is probably one of the better choices New Line could have made.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:17 a.m. CST

    Smaug needs to look like...

    by opteryx

    ...something out of Arthur Rackham's imagination. His dragons would fit in perfectly with the world of The Hobbit, too bad he never got to illustrate it.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:18 a.m. CST

    Holy CRAP . . .

    by Toulon

    I'm very, very happy. LOTR was vast, epic, and sweeping, and needed three films . . . if they let Guillermo play around unsupervised in the definded little sandbox that is The Hobbit, we are ALL going to benefit!!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:19 a.m. CST

    Now THAT'S good news!

    by BrooseTheScharuk

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:20 a.m. CST

    I honestly don't know what to think.

    by Ringwearer9

    I really like the idea of Jackson being off this completely, and I told you all he didn't give a shit about doing the Hobbit movies anyway. I have mixed feelings about Del Toro though. I loved Pan's Labyrinth, but I was seriously underwhelmed by Hellboy. I wonder if he takes fantasy seriously on it's own, if it isn't a parallel to some real world story he wants to tell. I didn't see his heart and soul in Hellboy, the way I did in Pan's Labyrinth. But, even if his heart and soul isn't in it, Del Toro isn't a creep like Jackson. Hopefully he'll be allowed to play with the script himself, instead of hackishly and dutifully copying all the elements from Jackson's films. (Uh oh, I kinda realize that that is kinda what he did regarding the Hellboy comic ... too faithful to the look of the comic, to the point of making an almost unwatchable movie). All in all, I gotta say, a much better choice than Jackson, and I hope to God he gets personally attached to the story and project, enough to put his own personal stamp on it.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:20 a.m. CST


    by Toulon

    *defined, not definded . . . don't want my California public school english edu-ma-cation to show that much!!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:20 a.m. CST

    hmmm, so-so news

    by Lost Jarv

    Del Toro is great, I'm not sure about the 2 films thing. <P>Where is ringy? he's bound to explode with sheer jubilation that the hobbit is not being directed by a zombie movie director

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:23 a.m. CST


    by DanboJohnJ

    ferfuksake! PJ has to direct this movie/s...just to keep the styles the same

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:24 a.m. CST

    "I really like the idea of Jackson being off this completely"

    by Lost Jarv

    Wow. I'm genuinly shocked. <p>Who'd have ever seen that coming?

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:26 a.m. CST

    Hmm. Del Toro usually write his own movies ...

    by Ringwearer9

    PLEASE let him write the Hobbit script(s) PLEASE don't let him be saddled filming another Jacksonized script.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:30 a.m. CST

    I personally think this is a horrible choice...

    by Sledge Hammer

    Del Toro has never delivered one character on film that I gave a fuck about, even characters like Hellboy don't have the pop that they should have, and are blander than they should be. And plot is rarely of importance to him from the films that I have seen the man produce so far. Sure, visually the man has talent, but more than visuals a film like this requires true investment in the story and characters and that's never been a strength of Del Toro in my book. His films are at best fun, visually interesting, but paper thin, and I think the Hobbit deserves better personally. <p>All that said, few would have guessed Jackson was capable of what he delivered with Lord Of The Rings before those film hit, so who knows? But just on pure gut feeling, not a fan of this choice.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:32 a.m. CST

    Vern, you are staggeringly unfunny...

    by JackIsLost

    That is all.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:33 a.m. CST

    Sledge Hammer

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Have you seen Pan's Labyrinth? Didn't care about Ofelia? And Heavenly Creatures was a clear sign of what Jackson was capable of. In fact, it's miles better than Lord of the Rings (the films, not the book).

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:37 a.m. CST

    PAN'S LABYRINTH just didn't make emotional sense...

    by JackIsLost

    It should be about a girl escaping from the horrors of war by way of fantasy... But she is almost entirely shielded from that horror and the images of war we see are not through her eyes, so it doesn't work... The movie is just one big ass cop-out that's also immensely unsatisfying despite its huge amount of creativity in bringing the fantasy world to life.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:41 a.m. CST

    Alfonso Cuaron would have been my first choice.

    by Ringwearer9

    But really, this isn't bad.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:42 a.m. CST

    Yeah, sorry, Vern...

    by Kirbymanly

    That just wasn't very funny. Try again... we'll give you another shot though

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:48 a.m. CST


    by Lost Jarv

    what the fuck is a Jacksonized script? You strange, twisted little troll of a man.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:49 a.m. CST

    Oh Great

    by Fortunesfool

    The whole thing is gonna take place in dank caves now. Del Toro + English language = Studio bound cave shoot.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:53 a.m. CST

    If Jackson has sorted out his probs, why not direct??

    by henrydalton

    If Peter Jackson has made the effort with New Line to sort out all their legal battles, why then only take a producing role in a fantasy world that he put so much personal investment in creating? Would it really be that big a step to just direct the thing? It all just seems odd to me.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:53 a.m. CST

    Jarv, something without Dwarf Tossing, Elf surfing.

    by Ringwearer9

    Oh fuck. If Del Toro is being faithful to Jackson's look, the zombified Orcs will be in force again. And the Nazi elves. (sigh)

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:57 a.m. CST


    by Sledge Hammer

    No, I didn't care about the paint-by-numbers Ofelia, in fact I didn't even remotely give a shit. Despite the great visuals I just find Del Toro's films emotionally detached and if you scratch away the, at times amazing, visual components, what's left has always struck me as being paper thin.<p>As for Jackson and Heavenly Creatures, yes it was a great film, and yes it showed that he could make a serious film, it didn't show any idication however that he was capable of making an epic filmic saga that delivered in terms of pure popcorn entertainment, visuals and scope, while all the time maintaining depth of story and character at the forefront as well, and balancing all of those ingredients so damn perfectly. Or at least for me it didn't anyway.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 4:07 a.m. CST

    Of course it's not funny

    by Vern

    There's nothing funny about them not making Blade movies anymore. Seriously guys, I'm being honest - I would be more excited if they had him doing a Blade or Freddy movie. That's just me. I think he'll do a good job, though, as he always does.<p> As a side note, I think this black box has created too much pressure for my posts to be gems or "funny." Without the black box you could've just ignored it, like a Tom Bodet post.<p> Thanks for the feedback though fellas. Next time please include a number or letter rating and perhaps a personal insult.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 4:12 a.m. CST

    Vern, you tried out some humor that didn't work...

    by JackIsLost

    It happens. God knows I've laid a few eggs in my time. Just let it go my friend (and spend some more time honing some real comedy)....

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 4:16 a.m. CST

    More Blade movies?

    by Ravetin

    The third one seemed like a made for TV movie, and all the time lapse shots were fucking irritating. After Trinity, the crappy TV series, and Wesley Snipes aging (and legal troubles) there's seriously no potential left in the series. No matter who's at the helm. Also 7/10.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 4:20 a.m. CST

    Why would Del Toro copy Jackson's look?

    by Lost Jarv

    which, to be honest, was OK. <P>You're just bitter because you didn't get the version of Tolkien that you always dreamed of. The version that comes complete with some appaling doggerel and Tom Bombadil.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 4:22 a.m. CST

    I'm all for a new blade movie, first 2 were fucking class

    by bongo123

    i still put on the opening sequence to no.1 and crank the theater system.. love that fucking tune, and boy it always went down a storm when it's played in techno clubs over here just wished they put in the blood sprinklers as well...

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 4:24 a.m. CST

    Yup, I'd like another Blade film

    by Lost Jarv

    And I'm quite enjoying the series at the moment.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 4:27 a.m. CST

    I'm sorry Vern but Blade is

    by comedian_x

    nothing without Wesley Snipes and since he has gone off the deep end into tax fraud and (even worse) DTV movies, he won't be up for it anymore. <b> The Blade series is dead.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 4:35 a.m. CST

    I agree with Vern, LOTR movies are boring and homo-erotic.

    by Mike_D

    We need another Freddy movie or Blade movie (especially with Blade, ex-nay Sticky fingerz).

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 4:36 a.m. CST

    Good Pick

    by MGTHEDJ

    Jackson won't/can't do it for some strange legal and/or politcal reasons related to the machinations of the Time-Warner Empire. There were reports that Warners was shutting down the New Line label. But guys, these team-ups can work. Look at Spielberg and Lucas. And it needs to be 2 movies. The Dragon battle alone will take 20 minutes of screen time.-----later-----m

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 4:40 a.m. CST

    there shall only ever be 2 blade movies in my eyes...

    by Obscura

    ..and aside from the pain that would incure,id be happy as larry to pretend that trinity never happened.... just like xmen 3 never happened and spiderman 3 also never happened. lets just hope the 3rd nolan batman is a film i can actually acknowledge the existence of....

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 4:43 a.m. CST

    I think Jackson and NL are on good terms, but...

    by Ravetin

    ...I'm sure deep down he's a little sick of running around and fighting in forests and caves. He spent 7 or 8 years making LotR, I can see why he wouldn't want to get down into the day-to-day of another Tolkien movie. Whoever directs the Hobbit(s) is gonna be the next Irvin Kershner anyway. Be it GDT, Cuaron, or just about any of the other rumored directors. Plus (speaking of team ups) them thar Tintin movies sound really boner-inudcing so far.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 4:43 a.m. CST

    See what I mean?

    by Vern

    No black box and you just scroll right past it. No harm, no foul.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 4:49 a.m. CST

    Are you talking about Bodet's post vern?

    by Lost Jarv

    Because I ignored it as I couldn't translate it

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 4:50 a.m. CST

    Vern, you sir get a 6.9

    by hamslime

    The period in the middle actually came from your mom's cesarean scar. Maybe if she quits gnawing at it, that thing will heal. Sorry, keep scrolling.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 5 a.m. CST

    laturo put up a list?

    by Lost Jarv

    I'd better go and find it. <p>Although I'm still sore at the waste of a question in the Stallone Q&A that he was responsible for.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 5:10 a.m. CST

    Please God Let this be True!

    by KillaKane

    Aside from Cuaron I could'nt hink of anyone bettter to direct, Jacko knows his talent.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 5:15 a.m. CST

    I should've asked Sly about the Death Race remake...

    by EvilGeek1

    Missed opportunity.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 5:20 a.m. CST

    Death Race 2000 kicked so much ass...

    by EvilGeek1

    Even for an idiot car movie, there was still a good bit of social commentary in there. Love that bit with the reporter going "Violence! Violence! Violence!" at the end. Classic.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 5:26 a.m. CST



    I was actually hoping someone else would give the Hobbit a bash!<P>ooer!<P>But with all the same characters and sets laid down by the Jackson, Lord knows he did a sterling job bringing Middle Earth to life but Jackson plus Guillermo is a match made in heaven! Only things i'm worried about are the studio or ratings folk might not be able to handle a Guillermo Del Torro Hobbit! and this might all be a load of bunkum which will unmake my day!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 5:26 a.m. CST

    Saw the Statham screenshot...

    by EvilGeek1

    When the article was posted here. It's going to be awful. I wouldn't mind so much if it was something else, but Death Race was like my own little private movie. People would ask me my top ten and when I say DR2000, they'd go "death what? 2000". And knowing me I'd probably go and see it just to confirm my suspicions that the movie world is truly on it's ass! Sorry I'm rambling.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 5:27 a.m. CST

    Guess this takes him out of "Deathly Hallows"...

    by TheSeeker7

    Wasn't Del Toro the one who publicly said he'd love to direct the 7th Harry Potter film? And I'm sure lots of fans would've loved to've seen that. But especially with the chance that it'll end up as 2 seperate films as well, I suppose this means he's definitely not at an option for that, they'd both be around the same time.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 5:29 a.m. CST

    Just been thinkin...


    Imagine a Weta/Del Toro Dragon, Spider forrest, etc! this would be brilliant! Doug Jones for Tom Bombadil or whatever his name was!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 5:33 a.m. CST

    Alfonso Cuaron wanted to do another Potter film.

    by Ringwearer9

    Not Del Toro

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 5:34 a.m. CST

    Sounds cool enough

    by moviemaniac-7

    Too bad PJ won´t be directing again, but Del Toro is an awesome choice. Better than Sam Raimi, a name that was mentioned when PJ and NL were still at war with each other. I´d trust the Hobbit to 1980s Raimi, but not to post Spidey Raimi. Del Toro, on the other hand, has a solid track record and I am looking forward to this. Especially to bridge movie between Hobbit and Fellowship.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 5:55 a.m. CST

    Who I'd like to see in The Hobbit

    by Bald Evil

    King Thranduil: David Bowie Thorin Oakenshield: Ian McShane Ray Winstone: Balin Josh Brolin: Bard the Bowman John Rhys-Davies: Gloin (like son, like father)

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 5:57 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Thanks for the laughs. And I actually thought Blade: Trinity was better than Blade 2. But that's just me. It did have the following exchange, which endeared it to my heart: Random dude: "They'll kill me!!!" Blade: "Motherfucker I'll kill you!!!!"

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 5:57 a.m. CST

    AWESOME! PJ Needs to Recover from Lucas-Itis

    by Behemoth

    Maybe now we won't get another 10 scenes where an Orc is just about to skewer a hobbit, raises his weapon, utters something like, "I'm going to put a silverfish hole in your thorax" and then gets stuck through from behind just before making good on his promise. <p>Maybe now we won't get pointless scenes like the "Warg" attack in TT, and maybe now we won't get ONE shot of a character saying "Saruman" into the camera. <p>This should guarantee that the grittiness the series deserves, even in The Hobbit, will return. I love it!!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 5:58 a.m. CST

    Dwarf tossing and elf surfing

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Boy did Jackson fuck that book. The more I see those films the less I like them.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 6:04 a.m. CST


    by whatyoufear

    I am okay with this decision, if it turns out to be true. Cuaron would be a great choice, though. New Line should wait for those Cronenberg Fly transporter doo-dads to become a reality.. think about it: a melded Del Toro/Cuaron entity (with some of PJ's extracted fat thrown in the chamber for good measure).

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 6:09 a.m. CST

    what was I thinking?

    by whatyoufear

    Let's make it A Spike Lee Joint.<p>Denzel for Bard!!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 6:09 a.m. CST

    Lapband operation?

    by feckdrinkarse

    Is that the one where you staple your stomach? Not a good idea i've heard. It's a dangerous procedure and someone I know had horrible pains and nearly died after. He wouldn't recommend it to anyone - not even his sister who also is morbidly obese. How about eating less?

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 6:11 a.m. CST

    Del Toro > Jackson

    by LaserPants

    Nuff said. Bring it on. Only, please, one movie is fine. One movie at 2 hours 30 minutes max.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 6:12 a.m. CST

    Instead Of A Lapband Operation...

    by LaserPants

    How about eating less and exercising more? Just a thought.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 6:20 a.m. CST

    I like the choice...

    by just pillow talk

    and kwisatzhaderach...trinity better than 2? Seriously?

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 6:24 a.m. CST

    Harry, when you consider lapband surgery, consider this

    by Trazadone

    As someone who works in the field with this population, I can guarantee you that this procedure will not help you unless you plan to overhaul your entire lifestyle. That means routine exercise and proper nutrition among other things. To believe that this procedure will "cure" morbid obesity is ridiculous. It will help you to jump-start weight loss, but the procedure is easily defeated if you continue to eat poorly. I can't tell you how many patients I see that fail on lapband surgery because they're still eating/drinking high caloric food/beverages. The lapband is just a giant rubberband and like all rubber bands it stretches. Sorry to be a killjoy, but I see far too many people who believe that this surgery is a magic cure. Obesity generally comes from lack of exercise and terrible eating habits.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 6:25 a.m. CST

    Laserpant....doesnt work that way.

    by redfist

    The doesn't work for the morbly obesse and excerise could do more harm than good. Del Toro pwns Jackson this is true.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 6:27 a.m. CST

    Bad news and good news.

    by ROBE

    If this is true,it is bad news for The Hobbit but good news for The Deathly Hallows.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 6:27 a.m. CST

    read what Trazadone wrote...

    by redfist

    It is what I meant to say if I wasn't handicapped.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 6:34 a.m. CST

    They better hurry it up!

    by Yeti

    Sir Ian McKellan isn't getting any younger. Then again none of us are....gruumble grumble...damn mortality.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 6:40 a.m. CST

    "Elf Nazis"....?

    by DocPazuzu

    Really, Ringy?

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 6:44 a.m. CST

    where is SAG awards talkback?

    by krycek08

    its been 12 hours since they are over. and you call this a "news" site?

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 6:51 a.m. CST

    SEAGAL should play Gandalf.....

    by travis-dane

    <p>and Hulk Hogan for Bilbo!<p>"MY PYTHONS ARE PUMPED BROTHA!!!!"points finger at Gollum and Legdrops that little bastard.<p>And Gandalf says:"Lets saveh sohmah treehs ah for the Buddha Bihlbo!"<p>

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 6:51 a.m. CST

    Doc- I know what he's getting at there

    by Lost Jarv

    the elves look like an Aryan wet dream. It's one fuck of a jump from that to Nazis though.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 7:01 a.m. CST

    "pan's labyrinth doesn't make emotional sense?"

    by RipVanMarlowe

    wtf does that even mean

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 7:07 a.m. CST

    Great choice.

    by rbatty024

    Del Toro is rising from the ranks of geek secret to top Hollywood director. While I hope he makes the film look similar to Jackson's previous work, I also hope he brings a more childlike tone to the proceedings. Despite the quality of the first three films, I think two directors make sense if you read both The Hobbit and the Rings Trilogy.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 7:08 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    I figured as much, but I'm dying to hear how to get around making Tolkienite elves an Aryan wet dream.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 7:08 a.m. CST

    Christian Bale as Bard

    by freerangecelt

    Just throwing it out, love the Del Toro as director and Jackson as how they will cut between the Battle of the Five Armies and the casting out of the Necromancer from Dol Guldur...good stuff coming!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 7:14 a.m. CST

    Just Keep Him Away From the Script

    by Mr. Winston

    Del Toro is one hell of a visual director, but he can't write for dick. Bring in some talented people to do the script, make sure everyone knows that Peter Jackson is producing and overseeing, and keep a little bit of a leash on Guillermo. He'll be fine if they don't let him off the deep end. <br> <br> Incidentally, to anyone who was thinking that the overseas box saved GOLDEN COMPASS...New Line sold off most distribution rights for pennies on the dollar before the film even came out, so they didn't see much of that.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 7:15 a.m. CST


    by Lost Jarv

    You're not taking into account his breathtaking mental gymnastics and quite staggering doublethink. <p>He'll have an unbelievably pointy headed solution.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 7:21 a.m. CST


    by FlickaPoo

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 7:26 a.m. CST

    At his best...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I think that DelToro is a bit closer to a sense of true childhood magic and wonder and terror than Jackson is...and it seems right for Hobbit. Rings is more about giant battles and stuff...Hobbit is more a dark fairy tale about a child who wanders too far from home in questionable it.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 7:30 a.m. CST


    by travis-dane

    over here in Germany we had several movie critics and magazines pointing in the "LOTR=Nazi".They said that all the "Heroes" are white(esp. the Elfes,blond,blue eyes,HERRENRASSE)and the "evil" dudes are all black(orcs and so on).There are many people who see it that way.strange....

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 7:41 a.m. CST

    Best Choice of Director For This

    by Gungan Slayer

    IMO. (other than Jackson that is)

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 7:45 a.m. CST

    aint it cool news!

    by purplepurple

    If confirmed, this wil be AWESOME

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 7:48 a.m. CST

    This is EXACTLY what many of us have been hoping for

    by Razorback

    I don't think there is a better director out there, for this movie, than Del Toro. Just look at his body of work and then read the book. No one knows how to make a children's story into a dark piece of work that can be enjoyed by adults like Guillermo.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Tom Waits for Smaug!!!

    by Nice Marmot

    . . . I have confidence in Del Toro, I think it'd be in good hands. But I'm also on the Should-Have-Been-Cuaron bandwagon. I'd give Smaug's voice to Tom Waits before Ron Perlman.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 7:51 a.m. CST

    P.S. - Vern's postings = * out of ******

    by Razorback

    Vern has started to suck lately. Please fire him. Thanks.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 7:57 a.m. CST


    by jae683

    He might be ok. The LOTR movies don't exactly hold up very well, so maybe he'll do a better job. Oh, and Vern? I give you a solid B-. Oh, and 'You Suck.' Not very heartfelt, I know, but it is an insult. You asked.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 7:59 a.m. CST


    by redfist

    I am an American living in Germany and I have to say...that while I like Germans as a whole...Germans as a whole are fucking retarded. 60 years of lving like happy hippies has fucking ruined you. LoTR is not Nazish in anyway... and a German should know this better than anyone.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 8 a.m. CST

    Tom Waits!!!

    by FlickaPoo

    ...because Bilbo "...hopes his pony...hopes his poony knows the waaaay baaack hooooome...."

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 8:08 a.m. CST

    The LOTR is also Aristocratic Propoganda!

    by seppukudkurosawa

    Elves are pure-blooded, stuck-up cunts with an adversion to common, down-in-the-muck dwarves.<p> </p>Take when Strider greets Haldir by hugging him, the elf dude totally looks down his nose at Viggo. And he's a damn king/part elf!</p> <p>I've started a boycott The Hobbit movies poll here: and I suggest that anyone with even an ounce of decency left intact sign my poll to stop any more future examples of this elitist, blue-blooded propoganda. Join me, my fellow movie fans, and we can truly make a signing my poll!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 8:09 a.m. CST

    redfist:Yes,but the critics allways try to dig...

    by travis-dane

    some shit up.And German movie critics are fucking insane!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 8:11 a.m. CST

    Who's gonna be Bilbo?

    by SkiBum

    The only thing that sucks about this news is that they will probably have to find another actor to play Bilbo. Bilbo is supposed to be 50 years old in HOBBIT, and I think Ian Holm is pushing 80. I agree with the earlier post that Toby Jones would make a good Bilbo. He's got the right look and is a great actor. I would love if they could get Holm to do it though, to keep the continuity.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 8:12 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    At least he hasn't fucked up royally like Raimi did with Spidey 3. But you can't judge him on Hellboy, there's only so much you can do with that cast of characters. Not a bad movie and the new one looks pretty awesome. If Pan's is any indicator, this is definitely a superb choice of director.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 8:12 a.m. CST

    LOTR= racism

    by Lost Jarv

    this hoary old chestnut rears its unwelcome head every now and again. It's complete bollocks.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 8:15 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Did you eat babies or something, V?

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 8:21 a.m. CST

    I think they're just Chudites

    by seppukudkurosawa

    Trying to drive away the best thing about AICN with their relentless whining. The fuck did JackIsLost ever post to stand out from the thousands of other by-rote talkbackers out there?

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 8:21 a.m. CST

    VERN is the MAN!!!

    by travis-dane

    Thats all!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 8:26 a.m. CST

    BSB,I did not knew that DocP.....

    by travis-dane

    thinks you suck.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 8:26 a.m. CST

    Inspired choice, but DON'T limit your creative freedom

    by Pipple

    because of Jackson's movies, which are fine, well made, and everything but had too much slow mo and crying.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 8:29 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    How many laughtastic reviews has he thrown at us free of charge? He even set the standard by which Neill Cumpston is judged. I think you're right, Vern, there's too much stigma attached to that black box. God forbid you just speak your mind, and all of a sudden people are giving you star ratings on a common post. Christ.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 8:30 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Yeah, he does think I suck. But I *know* he does.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 8:31 a.m. CST


    by eric haislar

    This is awesome!!!!!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 8:32 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    I just watched Beowulf and Grendel and was astounded that this was the same Gerard Butler in 300. Fantasy definitely needs slo-mo and camera effects to enhance that fantastical aspect.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 8:33 a.m. CST

    Since you and DocP. are the same person....

    by travis-dane

    it is sure you knew that BSB!:)

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 8:34 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Any elf princesses in the book? If not, make one up.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 8:35 a.m. CST

    to Ringwearer9

    by TheSeeker7

    I know that Alfonso Cuaron had at one point expressed interest in doing another Potter film (just not the one directly after his), but Del Toro ALSO did. He mentioned it publicly a few months back, that he'd like to do the 7th film.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 8:37 a.m. CST

    I like Guillermo, but not having Jackson direct is WRONG!

    by Sith Witch

    I want complete and total consistency. I want to know that every image related to the events in these forthcoming films were conceived and shot by the exact same individual responsible for the images that make up Lord of the Rings. Why the kink in the plan? I it ONLY because Jackson is committed to doing The Lovely Bones and Tintin? And if so, can't New Line wait six more months until his schedule opens up after his involvement on those films?

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 8:37 a.m. CST


    by Lost Jarv

    Ringwearer9 hates potter. The subject is of no interest to him whatsoever.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 8:44 a.m. CST

    Del Toro, eh?

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Well, if this is indeed going down, it's a good choice. I can see Del Toro's sensibilities fitting rather well alongside the vision that Jackson has already established. I would imagine/hope that they'll make great collaborators, too.<P>One thing I'm still not sold on is the second film; the one that's supposed to bridge THE HOBBIT with LOTR. Sure, I suppose there is a ton of material there with which to craft a storyline. But there is no central character and there is very little dialog. I'll be interested to see how that one plays out after THE HOBBIT makes its run.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Del Toro needs to forget The Hobbit

    by Kloipy

    and needs to get crackin' on The Mountains of Madness

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 9 a.m. CST

    Mountains of Madness

    by Abin Sur

    I'm kinda bummed that it looks like we'll be waiting a few years for that one, but on the plus side, once Guillermo makes New Line another 2 BILLION dollars with two Hobbit movies, he shouldn't have trouble getting the budget he wants for ATMOM. If you've read interviews with him about ATMOM, he really wants to do it justice and make it epic in scope. Hobbit(s) should definitely loosen the purse-strings for him. Hell, look how much PJ got to spend on King Kong.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Let the Hispanic make his Hobbit movie...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Maybe he'll implement an analog Golem (that is, puppet) with Doug Jones which would be a nice departure from the digital Golem by Serkis that I always thought looked fake and digity, which it was I know... Close-ups of Smaug could be analog puppetry, as well. I like it. Was anyone not convinced by the prettiness of Pan's Labyrinth? A fresh approach is needed. You Del Toro-Hobbit haters need to quit living in glorious days gone by. Although I could really care less about a Hobbit movie anyway...the Rankin Bass cartoon rules...

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Rankin Bass Hobbit

    by Abin Sur

    Yes, that one was very cool, but I want one that I can enjoy just as much NOT stoned.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 9:08 a.m. CST


    by Kloipy

    that's true, i do want to see a faithfull and beautiful Lovecraft on the big screen for once. And also agree, there is nothing like being stoned watching the barrels float downstream

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 9:09 a.m. CST

    I know I'm in the minority, but Hellboy was shit.

    by henrydalton

    I was looking forward to it, I wanted to like it, but man, that film was really, really, really bad. Especially its finale.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Del Toro is a great visualist but....

    by Samuel Fulmer

    His movies usually lack in the story department. I hope Jackson is there everyday to make sure Del Toro spends just as much time with the actors line delivery as he does on the SFX/Make-up. Unlike the majority, I felt Pan's Labrynth was a fairly empty film. The visuals were amazing, but the plot was very poor. Everything outside of the fantasy portion was like third rate Bertolucci circa 1900. I will say that Del Toro has a better chance of making something out of The Hobbit than Sam Rami.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Hobbit I & II then MOUNTAIN OF MADNESS

    by Unlabled

    But this is a solid choice, better than Sam "I ruined Spiderman 3" Raimi. AND FUCK BLADE 4 & 5! Shit is done with. No Snipes no Blade

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Sounds GREAT!

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Now if they can get Smaug to resemble Tolkien's image as depicted in "Conversation with Smaug!" That will be the "make it/break it" point for this film. Regardless, this will be a great film and Del Toro is a fabulous choice to direct! Pan's Labyrinth was sinisterly powerful!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 9:38 a.m. CST

    The problem I've always had with The Hobbit...

    by expert_40

    ... is that it DOESN'T fit the tone or the characterizations in The Lord of the Rings and The Silmarilian.<br><br>I mean, in those two greater works, elves are badasses. Between Legolas, Feanor and his sons, and Elrond, elves are badasses. In the Hobbit, they're idiots who sing the stupidist of songs and get drunk and allow the dwarves and Bilbo to escape.<br><br>This is why I'm glad that Jackson/Walsh/Boyens will be writing the script and overseeing the movie(s). They'll be able to retcon those mistakes, as it were, as I'm sure Tolkien himself would have wanted.<br><br>I mean, the elves in The Hobbit were fucking retarded.<br><br>Personally, though, I wish they were making three movies: The Hobbit and The Silmarilian split into two parts, The First and Second Ages, with the Second Age film basically the filming of the Akallabeth, the Downfall of Numenor, and the First Age Film about Feanor and his sons against Melkor until Earendil made his way to Valinor.<br><br>It'd be like the prequal trilogy, LOTR style, with Sauron playing the part of Palpatine.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 9:41 a.m. CST


    by caruso_stalker217

    You LOTR nerds are seriously serious about this shit.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 9:42 a.m. CST

    I am glad you are doing the lapband thing

    by Cotton McKnight

    Normally I don't advocate things like that but I am actually really worried about you, Harry. I see you around town from time to time and although you may feel great, you look really sick. I don't mean that as an insult- I am just expressing concern. We need you in tip top shape and I really think thats a great idea, if your doctor recommends it. Good luck. Oh yeah and I think Weta is overrated. The whole LOTR trilogy looked "washed out" to me.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 9:43 a.m. CST


    by Lloyd Bonafide the Korean War Veteran

    This is why i fought in Korea, 1950-1952!!!!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 9:43 a.m. CST


    by RevengeOfJobu

    Smaug will have eyes on his wings.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Will Del Toro shoot 2:35:1 ??


    Consistency people!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Actually Guillermo is the perfect choice

    by mukhtabi

    If we're talking film style, I would much rather see the art design concepts of Hellboy applied to the Hobbit than more Jackson. Jackson was terrific at LOTR, but that's a much more grown up and complicated story than the journey of 13 dwarves and a burglar. The hobbit delves more into classical ghost story and dragon territory, better to let a mad spaniard with a total love of MONSTERS do this prequel. Besides this will likely give him the bump he needs to finally make THE MOUNTAINS OF MADNESS. and in the end isn't THAT GOAL something we all want?

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 9:56 a.m. CST


    by RicCage

    If they can't figure out a way to get Ian Holm to play a young bilbo, they should get this guy. I've seen him in a bunch of things, tell me he doesn't look like a cooler Elijah Wood

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Del Toro for Hobbit, Cuaron for Deathly Hallows

    by performingmonkey

    Both 2-part movies. If both of these things happen I think we can all die happy (after we've seen them, of course...). Cuaron is DEFINITELY the best choice for Harry Potter because he's already done Prisoner of Azkaban. Del Toro might have been too heavy handed with it. Cuaron is the only one that got the tone right. Since then the HP flicks have taken a step back. Order of the Phoenix should have been a LOT better than it was.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 9:58 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    and indulge in some bulgogi?

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Barfo Baggins

    by Nate Champion

    Ready for the big step there on surgery Harry... well, good luck my friend, you'll need it.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Bilbo again

    by RicCage

    sorry here (make sure there are no spaces)

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Great choice, Del Toro is amazing

    by wilsonfisk89

    The Devil's Backbone! If you have not seen it, please Netflix it. I enjoyed Jackson's work, and thought it to be a magnificent feat, but it's Guillermo's turn to do something magical...

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 10:14 a.m. CST

    i wants cthulu not hobbits

    by occula

    i am an avid fan of LOTR and all things suchlike but i honestly don't know if i care much about the hobbit. time to move on. and i think if d.t. and jackson were going to do something together, why not lovecraft? jackson loves horror too.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Didn't like Hellboy

    by TerryMalloy

    but loved Pan's Labyrinth and Devil's Backbone. Not a bad choice. I just don't see why they have to make the second "bridge" movie. The Hobbit is the bridge. After it, there doesn't seem to be any material there at all.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Puce The Magic Dragon

    by DannyOcean01

    Oh ffs, great, another film for Del Toro to indulge his blinkered colour palette view.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 10:17 a.m. CST


    by tHeGRinGoGenTiLE


  • Jan. 28, 2008, 10:17 a.m. CST


    by manzoniman

    The most overrated geek darling evah. PL sucked. Hellboy sucked. Here's hoping Jackson can knock some sense and sensibility into DelTorrrro.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 10:26 a.m. CST

    If not Jackson

    by Darth Thoth

    del Toro is the next best choice. This is great news in my opinion. And Pan's was a masterpiece.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 10:30 a.m. CST


    by BrooseTheScharuk

    As thrilled as I am about Del Toro doing the Hobbit, I would have been way more pumped to hear that he'd been signed for the new Conan. If you have ever actually read Howard's stories, you know how "Lovecraftian" they can be (I think Howard and Lovecraft were pretty close friends). And I just think GDT would give it that gritty pulp tone and brutality that it needs -- not to mention the creatures!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Harry is the epitome of Western hedonism

    by seppukudkurosawa

    Spend fucktons of money on eating too much food. Then spend fucktons of money on getting surgery to get rid of that food.<p> </p>Whereas we in Eastern Europe have no nephews. They all died from malnourishment.<p> </p>In Soviet Russia, lapband surgically removes you!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 10:42 a.m. CST

    I can't believe Vern mentioned Blade & Freddy in the same post

    by SilentP

    ...but not a crossover.<br><Br>You know you want to see Blade vs. Freddy. Directed by Guillermo. You KNOW THIS.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 10:46 a.m. CST

    my tastebuds are tingling

    by midnighthobo

    and i cant wait to see this

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 10:47 a.m. CST

    *Dances barefoot*

    by BrandLoyalist

    *Pauses to type* Some backup! It's like the goalie bench at the all-star game. *Continues dancing*

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 10:47 a.m. CST


    by ewokstew

    Very nice.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Regardless how it turns out, I'll likely be there

    by Puddleglum

    It's a movie based on a book by th eman who created one of the best fantasy story universes of our time. I don't expect LOTR redux. But I expect it'll still look great.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 11:07 a.m. CST


    by ArcadianDS

    "Now Mister Blade, did you make any business related purchases in the previous year?"<p> "HISSSSSSS"

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 11:07 a.m. CST


    by Dollar Bird

    I have mixed feelings about this. I don't mind if someone else takes the helm of this movie, but I dunno if Del Toro is good enough. He has a great visual esthetic, but sometimes his movies just leave me disappointed. (Esp. "Hellboy".) Although, I would love to hear Ron Perlman voice Smaug. (I'm sure they'll force him to do a British accent, though. Then again, the dragon sounded American in the Rankin & Bass one, and I have lots of affexction for that. Still is my favorite Gollum, all frog-faced—and that voice! Ah, Borther Theodore, we hardly knew ye.)

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 11:10 a.m. CST

    I am so excited about this right now

    by phool2056

    I love the LOTR movies, but I love Pan's Labyrinth and Hellboy more. And I've always felt that the real strength of the Rings movies came from the acting and the level of the production design, and that a lot of the things that kind of bugged me were directorial decisions. Del Toro is my favorite director in the universe. When I read that heading on the main page, I ejaculated right into my pants.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 11:14 a.m. CST

    by Palhaco

    "If they have two movies to fill, they're gonna use EVERYTHING from the book." If Peter Jackson is involved, they may not even use HALF of what was in the book. They cut honking chunks out of the LOTR books for the movies to indulge Peter in his obsessions with evil creepy things -- and certainly, del Toro is no less that way...They are both wonderful filmmakers, but I think Peter Jackson drained the life and soul out of the books, because he doesn't like those things...or maybe it's just "goodness" that he finds too boring for his time. I hope that one day someone will make LOTR as they were meant to be made. Without _arbitrary_m _unnecessary_ changes to the tone, plot, and characters.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 11:17 a.m. CST

    expert_40 do your research.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    Tolkien DID revise the Hobbit to match some facts in the Lord of the Rings. "Retcon" is such a stupid term. Writers have been doing this forever and it's called "revision."

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Man, I'm torn on this...

    by morGoth

    ...I was really hoping PJ would relent and direct also. Does this mean delToro will be writing the story for the second movie also? I only hope, if dT does direct, that he won't get more creative (see: needles story fabrications) than PJ did and box himself (and us) into needless complications. Nnggghhh...fret and worry. <p>At any rate, glad to hear he would keep within the movie Middle-earth universe that PJ has already put out. Continuity is very important. I loved Pan's Labyrinth so this gives me hope.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Perlman as the voice o' Smaug...

    by morGoth

    ...could be great. I'd much prefer his gravely voice to the smoother Liam Neeson dulcet tones (not that there's anything wrong with that...just prefer Perlman's). The timber of Perlman's seems better suited too. Cool! Color me excited!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Martin Freeman as Bilbo

    by cutest_of_borg

    Perfect, my friends, perfect. Fuck this Iam Holm shit (no offense to Mr. Holm). I can guaran-damn-tee you they will be going with a young actor to portray Bilbo. Freeman has an everyman face, comedic timing, and is immensely likeable - all necessary for this role.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Brian Cox for Thorin Oakenshield or Smaug

    by performingmonkey

    He is exactly the right actor for Thorin. John Rhys-Davies could have played Gloin (father of Gimli) but he had such a bad time with the Dwarf makeup it's unlikely he'd do it. Serkis back as Gollum, Mckellen back as Gandalf, Hugo Weaving back as Elrond. All no-brainer decisions. Lots of hatred between the Dwarves and the Elves. Something that should have been mentioned in LOTR is that Legolas's father had Gimli's dad locked in a cell in The Hobbit.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Ron Perlman for SMAUG

    by IAmLegolas

    perfect casting, why didn't I think of that one? MAKE IT HAPPENED!!!!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Howdy, morGy.

    by cutest_of_borg

    Been a while.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Hey Vern...

    by morGoth

    ...go bugger yerself mate. The Blade movies don't even belong in the same universe as those cheesy assed vampire movies. Man, I usually look forward to your comments but your personal druthers have no bearing on this whatsoever. Good lord man, grow some taste! Then again, I smell troll bait...

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Two Hobbit Movies

    by Horned One

    I think it's a great idea to do two hobbit movies. The first one can be The Hobbit that we all know and love, and the second one can involve something entirely new. Maybe they can even work in some of the cool stuff they had to cut out of the LOTR like Tom Bombadil and the Barrow Wights. It is also implied in the books that Bilbo and Aragorn have a long standing friendship, so he could be in the second movie since he would pretty much look the same.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Geez, I meant...

    by morGoth

    Those cheesy assed vampire movies don't even belong in the same universe as a Hobbit movie. <p> Curse posting from workies anyway!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 11:30 a.m. CST

    this site is pimping the wrong mexican

    by cloudrider`

    as cool as rodriquez & del toro can be, they're nowhere near in the same league as cuaron. pan's labyrinth is way overrated. i was much more moved by bridge to terabithia.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Hey cutest!

    by morGoth

    Heh, looks like you can still come out of the wood works for something other than Star Trek. So, are you a hobbit fan too or just LoTR? I certainly agree that delToro is a great second choice to PJ and, natch, PJ will be around to orc-slap dT if he gets outta line (or maybe vice-versa)!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 11:41 a.m. CST

    The Hobbit is Not That Great of a Book

    by kferris61

    Last week I read the Hobbit for the second time in 30 years (my copy has turned very yellow in that time). I was very disappointed. I should have left well enough alone and left it as a childhood memory. I was going to reread all my old Tom Swift books too, but I have decided to leave them in their box! :)

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Martin Freeman as Bilbo! cutest_of_borg...good idea.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    That is amazing casting. I hope they read your post!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 11:50 a.m. CST

    OH MY GODS! Will there be Vagina Dentata in the HOBBIT?

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    Del Toro could put some some Vagina Dentata in there... somewhere.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 11:58 a.m. CST

    VERY good news indeed!

    by Sulla

    I'm as giddy as a schoolgirl right now. I so hope this becomes reality.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, noon CST

    RE: expert_40

    by morGoth

    Of course The Hobbit doesn’t completely fit the tone of the much later LoTR, the Hobbit preceded it and LoTR was a “sequel,” if you will. Tolkien revised later Hobbit publications to conform to LoTR with “Riddles In the Dark” being the most important. Can’t have Gollum just handing the Ring over to Bilbo can we? Tolkien always regretted the lighter, more child-story tone of the Hobbit and his kids gave him no end of shit about it for, in effect, talking down to them. <p> I believe the Elves were quite “badassed” in the Battle of Five Armies, yes? Didn’t Bilbo choose to stay with them during the battle?<p> I too would love to see something done from the Silmarillion but it’s a bit large in scope, yes? How about selected tales like ‘The Tale of Beren and Luthien (C’mon, Sauron as a werewolf AND vampire? Even Vern would be happy about that {[:^))’. ‘The Children of Hurin’ is already a stand alone book so it would also be a great and obvious choice. Lawks, it’s got love, incest, murder, a BIGGER dragon, Morgoth (that settles it IMHO), petty Dwarves and totally bad-assed Elves. No pirates or vampires though. Man, I can only dream about ANY of the Silmarillion being turned into a movie. Aiya!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Sorry cutest...

    by morGoth

    ...can't agree about Martin Freeman. James McAvoy or NOONE!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 12:05 p.m. CST

    John Goodman for Bilbo

    by Kloipy

    Don't worry, these trolls are cowards

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Hmm.. I dunno

    by CherryValance

    I mean his style is quite different from PJ. If he's going to stick to the overall look then fine, but the new stuff could be weird looking.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Color me happy...

    by ATARI

    if it's true.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 12:32 p.m. CST

    The best part about Guillermo directing

    by epitone

    is that you know he'll consult extensively with the other two parts of the Mexican troika, Alfonso Cuaron and Alejandro González Iñárritu. And frankly, even if it was a bit overhyped, Pan's Labyrinth was about as good an audition reel for a Tolkien project as I could imagine.<br><br>Plus, never forget these words -- IT COULD HAVE BEEN RATNER.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 12:36 p.m. CST


    by odysseus

    Del Toro is the best choice -- maybe even <<gulp>> better than Jackson. Ron Perlman should DEFINITELY be Smaug. He's got a great vocal quality that isn't so distinct that you'd say something like, "Why is Sean Connery's voice coming out of that dragon?"

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 12:38 p.m. CST

    i hope smaug talks like....

    by joevfx

    sauron did. liek telepathically, i hope he actually doestt talk with moving mouth that would be corney

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Holy crap KurtLockwood...

    by morGoth

    ...I'd totally forgotten about that scene! Heh, I'd be pushing up daisy's right beside ya mate! <p>Ungoliant: Gimme whatcher holdin' behind yer back, Blackheart! <p>Morgoth: Gulp, aintcha full yer great glutton? <p> I guess ol' Morgy was doin' Her Blackness a favor since they would've probably burnt right through her gut!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Toby Jones as Bilbo!

    by raumohir

    Blackhole, that's an inspired choice. Toby Jones was by far the best character in the Mist, very expressive but also homely. And he's got the look too. I think del Toro will be great too. I can't wait to see him bring his flair for darkness into Mirkwood and the goblin halls. The only thing I'm afraid of is that the movie should be a little lighter in tone than LOTR overall, and I hope he can pull that off too.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 12:57 p.m. CST

    free Wesley

    by Gidney

    Free Wesley, kill Goyer, let del Toro direct!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 1 p.m. CST

    What about P.T. Anderson?

    by AntoniusBloc

    Now that would be cool. Guillermo is kind of like PJ-lite, so hard to get really excited about it, but i'm sure he'll do a great job. Difficult to screw up Tolkien, but the script is what is key.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Without Jackson, I'm simply not interested

    by IndustryKiller!

    Del Toro is no Peter Jackson. I think Del Toro is great, but he doesn't have the same sense of scope as Jackson. Also whenever CG appears in a Del Toro film it always looks like total shit and stands out like a soar thumb compared to anything real. I don't know why people would want this to happen. Pan's Labyrinth was a great film but apples and oranges to Lord of the Rings and his more mainstream Hollywood stuff is terrible.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Also could Harry NOT be the guy commenting on this

    by IndustryKiller!

    From now on can we get a different guy to run commentary for this project is Del Toro is in fact directing?? I really cannot deal with Harry blowing this guy at ridiculous lengths throughout the entirety of the project. Harry is obviously way to close to Del Toro to not only be fair, but not completely exaggerate his excitement and it's really really annoying.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 1:04 p.m. CST

    PS a photo

    by raumohir

    Now tell me this doesn't say "Bilbo Baggins":

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Vern you're nothing more then an ATTN whore.

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    Seriously. Shut the fuck up.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Arnold for Beorn.

    by performingmonkey

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 1:20 p.m. CST

    As far as this choice for director. Great choice.

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    This is both surprising and welcomed. I think he will do a fine job and to me it makes total sense to have him direct more so IMO then Sam Raimi. I wasn't to excited about the idea of Raimi directing The Hobbit to be honest. While I am a fan of Raimi's work I just don't think his style would have fit within the world that Jackson created with the trilogy on film and having Guillermo Del Toro makes more sense in working with Jackson as the producer. This is going to be good, real good.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 1:28 p.m. CST

    C'mon guys - we KNOW PJ can't direct

    by UweBollocks

    His schedule, contractually obliging, is full. He has himself said he couldn't get a hobbit film out until 2015. Not only is that far beyond the current licensing contract for New Line, meaning they would have to just "give up" The Hobbit and a billion dollars, it also means a long wait during which many things could happen. God forbid we lost McKellen before he could reprise his role... I'm just as disappointed that Jackson cannot take the helm, but if there is one director I can with the same tonal touch as PJ's LotR, it's Guillermo. And let's also bear in mind the LotR we all know and love is the product of PJ with the support of a HUGE team, who are the ones actually responsible for production design, costumes, score and every other facet that comes together to make the final product. It looks as if that team will remain largely intact, with only a new director and PJ overlooking everything from even higher. Yes, there are going to be some stylistic differences, but I really can't see one man's choices (Guillermo's) overriding the collective artistic contribution of everyone else involved to the detriment of the series' tonal and visual continuity. Guillermo has already said he would want these to be an extension of PJ's creation - we all want the same thing! And if anybody's judgement on this choice of director should be trusted, it's PJ's. Let's not forget that neither Empire Strikes Back nor Return of the Jedi were directed by Lucas, yet they perfectly continue in his tradition. C'mon folks! Things are looking up!!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Vern's not an attention whore

    by seppukudkurosawa

    He's an adult (in mind and body)who's lived long enough to have gained something to say. Sure, that might be hard to swallow for most of the "this sucks" and "this rocks" school of talkbackers, but some of us here find having a fully-developed opinion refreshing.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 1:34 p.m. CST

    The Hobbit!

    by Reznik

    This is really great news, I had always wished PJ has started the franchise with The Hobbit (for obvious reasons) but there were of course other reasons it wasnt the precursor. Just the fact that PJ is still creatively involved is great. I must have read the hobbit 7 times... each time more stoned than the previous. The Rank and Bass version of the movie is really well assembled but it is missing some sequences due to its time constraints (riddles in the dark lasts all about 5 minutes)(favorite chapter). Moreover, its nice to see some "new blood" brought in. I have really high hopes for this movie and cant wait to see it upon its completion in 2056. Mortality sucks. I just know I'm going to be 90+ on my death bed and there's some great movie on its way that I will miss due to death. A really good friend of mine was a huge fan of LOTR... sadly he had complications with diabetes and a ravenous infection that took his life before the 1st of the trilogy was even released. Long story short, I will be looking upon this movie(s) development with great interest.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Harry, say it ain't so!

    by Jak0lantern01

    Harry, if you get that lapband surgery, you'll be half the man you are now. Is that the kind of AICN we want here? Just don't dump the Tigger vid.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 1:39 p.m. CST


    by Cobbio

    This is good news! I don't know if it'll actually happen or not, but Del Toro would give audiences a stirring, well-filmed "Hobbit." I approve of him as director.<p> "Pan's Labyrinth" might not have played as huge in scale as "Lord of the Rings," but the visual and emotional subtleties in Del Toro's opus were about as solid as I've ever seen in a film. Ofelia was a wonderful central character, and Guillermo handled her role with respect and deep empathy. That's not an easy thing to do, which is what gives me confidence he'd do a great job with "The Hobbit" duology.<p> Also, for anyone who doesn't know: the first film will be "The Hobbit," taken from the classic Tolkien novel, while the second film will center on events surrounding Gandalf's investigation of The Necromancer -- a nasty entity who turns out to be Sauron -- in Mirkwood's Dol Guldur. A massive battle led by Gandalf ensues that drives The Necromancer out, pushing him into Mordor, where Sauron goes to rebuild his armies and reclaim his evil glory.<p> Sounds pretty badass to me. I hope Del Toro can do it justice.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 1:44 p.m. CST


    by 5 by 5

    When you say you like the idea of PJ being off this completely, you are understanding that is what is happening? If so, that's not the case, PJ WILL be involved, but it looks like Del Toro is directing. Del Toro is awesome, but I would have been fine with Raimi also.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Any truth to the rumor that Shaye and Lynne...

    by Zardoz

    will be fired and The Hobbit will be folded into Warner Bros, not New Line? And Del Toro could be a good choice. Although, I'd just as soon wait a few years for PJ to be free...

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Michael Jai White Should be Blade

    by TheLastCleric

    He'd roll right over Snipes. The guy is built and is a very gifted martial artist.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 1:53 p.m. CST


    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    Not a question of opinion as everyone is entitled to one. It's that holy then thou approach that he tends to take on most subjects or reviews as though he is above the fray. I guess it's his style of writing that fires up the discontent that I feel towards him as he comes across as a douchebag whenever I read one of his reviews or rants. Then again he may be the greatest guy ever in person who knows? <BR> <BR> I just access MY opinion of him based on his rants here on AICN. For me he adds nothing to the conversation except the expected malice retort that he tends to give anyone if they disagree with him. <BR> <BR> You know the type, the shoot down that anyone who disagrees is dumb or does not have the intellect to grasp what point he is trying to make therefore making anyone else's opinion invalid except his own. The whole thing gets kind of old after while. <BR> <BR> But you know hey he works for Harry. Harry obviously likes keeping him around for a reason and guess it adds a different perspective to the whole site but that doesn't mean I have to like it or keep quiet about it. I've even agreed with Vern on a few occasions with certain assessments he's made on the folly of film but on most occasions I just write him off a douche because that's how he comes across when reading his reviews or rants. <BR> <BR> I am sure he'll offer up some witty retort now to try and debunk my opinion and make it seem invalid to make himself feel better.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 1:53 p.m. CST


    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    Not a question of opinion as everyone is entitled to one. It's that holy then thou approach that he tends to take on most subjects or reviews as though he is above the fray. I guess it's his style of writing that fires up the discontent that I feel towards him as he comes across as a douchebag whenever I read one of his reviews or rants. Then again he may be the greatest guy ever in person who knows? <BR> <BR> I just access MY opinion of him based on his rants here on AICN. For me he adds nothing to the conversation except the expected malice retort that he tends to give anyone if they disagree with him. <BR> <BR> You know the type, the shoot down that anyone who disagrees is dumb or does not have the intellect to grasp what point he is trying to make therefore making anyone else's opinion invalid except his own. The whole thing gets kind of old after while. <BR> <BR> But you know hey he works for Harry. Harry obviously likes keeping him around for a reason and guess it adds a different perspective to the whole site but that doesn't mean I have to like it or keep quiet about it. I've even agreed with Vern on a few occasions with certain assessments he's made on the folly of film but on most occasions I just write him off a douche because that's how he comes across when reading his reviews or rants. <BR> <BR> I am sure he'll offer up some witty retort now to try and debunk my opinion and make it seem invalid to make himself feel better.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Sorry for the double post guys

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    Fucking Comcast servers are being a bitch today.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 1:55 p.m. CST

    So #1 is the HObbit, what's #2?

    by kirttrik

    That's the real question?

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Obvious Choice

    by Fineus Fog

    if this team up can work like Lucas and Kirschner is all good. Pans Labyrinth was a beautiful film - obviously very different form The Hobbit - but his visual sensibilities, along with WETA's artistry gives me a hard on

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 1:56 p.m. CST

    As long as Howard Shore is back, I'm in

    by The_Squid

    Hopefully elijah wood's contribution is minimal.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 1:57 p.m. CST

    I think it's gonna be fine if TORo directs and PJ write/produce.

    by kirttrik

    Why not, look at GOLDEN ARMY, it's basically TORO's resume to do RINGS prequel.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2 p.m. CST

    Good and Bad...

    by CaptEgo

    Del Toro understands that *kids* movies don't have to be disney-esque idiot fests but is too fond of over the top messed-up-shit. Jackson not directing is good...if as has been flogged to death...he still intends impose a LotRification on the Hobbit. Here's the deal Del Toro...go nuts on the Trolls and the Spiders and the Goblins (yes goblins...not fucking 'Orcs') and Smaug but keep ahold of the 'Hobbit'. That means music and innocent fun and frikkin singing elves and singing goblins and Beorn as Smokey the frikkin bear. All these black T shirt wearing perpetual angry adolescents can piss off with their drooling about <i>The Necromancer</a> and all this <i>EMO</> shit being dragged into the one of the ultimate young peoples fiction tales. They need to give their collective heads a shake.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:02 p.m. CST

    as long as WETA is involved it will be fine

    by Rupee88

    well that and a great cinematographer... that is all you need for the LOTR movies.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Re: kirttrik

    by Cobbio

    About the #2 film, see my post about fifteen slots above. If you're looking, it's just a general synopsis from Hope it helps.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:08 p.m. CST

    I'm think Del Toro is slightly overrated on AICN...

    by Vamp-AICNchat

    ...but I think with his vision, he is one of few directors who could make THE HOBBIT. In Del Toro's case though, I haven't seen PAN'S LABRYNTH yet, so... But I have seen THE MIMIC, HELLBOY and BLADE 2 which were all mediocre in my opinion. I do think THE HOBBIT will be great though.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Del Toro is like Lucas...

    by Vamp-AICNchat the films that I HAVE saw, great vision but not a very director.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:15 p.m. CST

    anyone read 'History of the Hobbit'?

    by m2298

    In 1960 Tolkien attempted a total rewrite of THE HOBBIT, to bring it in line with the tone and environment of LORD OF THE RINGS. He managed to get through two chapters before he thought the better of it (despite his growing to dislike the way he wrote it in the 30s). The revisions he made in 1965 were relatively minor (the Gollum chapter change was first seen in 1951). Likewise, filming THE HOBBIT as a clone of Jackson's LoTR would IMO be a similar mistake. While it needn't be the second coming of Rankin Bass, it still should stand on it's own and on it's own terms.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Heath Ledger would've done a great Bilbo

    by gray gorilla

    think about it

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Michael Jai White! Blade 4&5!

    by samurai sark

    OMG, I can't believe there is still love for the blade films! I have new love for the geek community! <br><br> Blade Trinity was not good. Had its moments, but nowehre near the depth of 1 or the suspense of 2. Man-o-man would I love Del Toro to get Blade back on the screen. Michael Jai White? Yeaaah!! <br><br> Blade 4: Blade and Abby Whistler vs. a bitten Hannibal Kane. Hannibal kills Abby, then kills himself. <br><br> Blade 5: Blade vs Blade

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:23 p.m. CST

    5 by 5, Yes. It's bad that Jackson is overseeing.

    by Ringwearer9

    I would have much preferred Del Toro had more control over the project. And I fear that he was selected because of his compatability regarding over-the-top action scenes, as in Hellboy. I'm guessing he's just going to make it all look like Lord of the Rings II, just as everyone was afraid he would

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:29 p.m. CST

    There's no need

    by Mattyboy122

    For two Hobbit films. And making up a bunch of shit (or 'expanding' stuff in the LotR appendices about what happens between The Hobbit and LotR) for a second film is ridiculous. Nothing of note happens! There's no arc that occurs between The Hobbit and LotR for ANY character. What will it consist of? Aragorn hanging out with Arwen? Gandalf and Aragorn looking for Gollum (as they left that part out of Fellowship even though they referred to it)? Legolas waltzing around Mirkwood? NOTHING INTERESTING HAPPENS. One film for The Hobbit (and one film only) is all that's necessary. Oh, and I think Guillermo's a bit overrated. But then again I think PJ is, too.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:31 p.m. CST

    The bloke BROS as Bilbo?

    by Vamp-AICNchat

    Hope not, but you can see Luke Goss in THE HOBBIT.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Why Del Toro will copy Jackson's Look.

    by Ringwearer9

    Because he says he will, in the article Harry quoted above. And he'll be stuck using WETA, Jackson's effects company. Who will be calling the shots on the "look"? Del Toro? Is he really going to rock the boat, (esp. on the first film). No, he's in it to make money for his own projects that he really cares about, and will bow to Jackson's wishes.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:36 p.m. CST


    by seppukudkurosawa

    I guess once you put a voice on one of these Internet Handles, it's hard to shake it off, no matter what they say. Like I imagine Pee Wee Herman speaking whenever Harry types anything...and after seeing him on Ebert, I wasn't too far off. The same goes for a lot of you talkbackers, like with Pazuzu I imagine some irate Swedish guy (him being an irate Swedish guy an all); Tom Bodet I think would sound like Charles Manson in the height of one of his rants.<p> </p>However, I think that you might have Vern down as a snarky, Jewish comedian type (hell, I've got two out of three of those down*). Which is fair enough. But I think most of the time when Vern responds to a talkbacker, he's genuinely trying to understand their point of view. At least more so than most people embroiled in a flame war (and, being the author of a large chunk of AICN articles, he gets into quite a few of them. With him very rarely being the instigator, I might add).<p> </p>My experience of Vern has been that he will always get back to anyone who e-mails him. He will take most folks in his stride, but occasionally gets pissed off with some people- like the best of us do. "Holier than thou," however, is not a phrase I'd have used to describe him.<p> </p> . <p> </p>. <p> </p>*Jewish & Snarky.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Del Toro: My least favorite of the "popular" mexican directors.

    by snakecharmer

    Aside from his last movie, Del Toro has never delivered anything memorable. I like him. He's really interesting in all his interviews. I saw him interview Cuaron at ComiCon but his charm hardly ever makes it on screen. Sorry, Guillermo. As an aspiring Mexican filmmaker, I feel bad for dumping on my people but the truth is the truth. JACKSON, JACKSON for the Hobbit. lates.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:44 p.m. CST

    People who spout opinions but haven't seen Pan's Labyrinth ...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...shame themselves and their families. They should be quiet and try to look pretty, the ignorant should be seen, not heard.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:47 p.m. CST


    by greenleaf

    I think fries taste delicious with mayonnaise.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:47 p.m. CST

    two Hobbit movies is not a bad idea

    by systemsbroom

    But a Hobbit movie followed by a gap-filler movie doesn't inspire a lot of confidence as far as I'm concerned. The worst parts of the Lord of the Rings were the stuff that PJ & Co. made up on their own (the elf-surfing, the "game over" drinking contest, pippin lighting the beacons, Faramir kidnapping Frodo and Sam, etc.). I would hope that in further Middle Earth movies, they would try to minimize the amount of invention and interpolation, not spin out an entire film full of the stuff.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Michael Jai White was Spawn remember... Spawn VS Blade?

    by Pipple

    I would pay to see that

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:52 p.m. CST


    by seppukudkurosawa

    I say ditch the chicks. Hopefully they're not joined to Jackson at the hip, so he can get to work on the script with Del Toro without 'em.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 2:57 p.m. CST

    la la la la

    by Gidney

    I'm not hearing you! Blade3 didn't happen! I'm not hearing you! Seriously, Wesley is Blade. He would pimp slap the TV blade and Spawn and not even fog up his oakleys. Shit, even an aged Whistler could take out the TV Blade. I say again, Free Wesley!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:01 p.m. CST

    "...just as everyone was afraid he would"

    by morGoth

    Speak for yourself mate. If you think yours (Ringstalker9) is the majority opinion then you haven't been paying attention. I call bullshit mate.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Right, seppku...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...except that I'm an American. Well done.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Second Film

    by Cobbio

    I'd love to see a "gap-filler" movie, as you call it, systemsbroom. You're forgetting the tremendous amount of stuff PJ and Co. invented and extrapolated for the films that DID work (Haldir and the elves coming to fight at Helm's Deep, Arwen and Aragorn's trials and eventual reunion, Pippin lighting the beacons, etc.).<p> You're obviously entitled to your opinion of how many films Jackson/Del Toro should make, but wouldn't it be incredible to see a big-budget Middle Earth story (Gandalf, The Necromancer, and the battle of Dol Guldur) that no one's ever seen before hit the screen?<p> Also, Mattyboy122, it's untrue that nothing happens. Google "Dol Guldur" and you'll get loads of very specific information about what happens. I'm sure PJ and Del Toro will add and make stuff up to augment the drama, but I'm excited to see the story they'll tell.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:11 p.m. CST


    by samurai sark

    As much as I'd love to see Wesley back as Blade, I don't think it'll happen. <br><br> But if they did a Blade vs Spawn with Wesley vs White, I'd be first in line.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:12 p.m. CST

    I havent read The Hobbit for years

    by Mr Chuff

    and cant remember is Saruman is in it?! Can someone enlighten me...and if he is they better get their ass in gear coz Christopher Lee aint no spring chicken

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Oh and NO to Perlman as the voice of Smaug

    by Mr Chuff

    it'll sound like... well...Ron Perlman. Unless they fuck with his tonally. But then why not just get someone else to do it? Why am I talking as if its cast in stone already? I need to eat...

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:18 p.m. CST

    how he had to adhere to what Peter had already established...

    by bowtiehoon

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Blade v Morbius!

    by samurai sark

    Jared Leto for Michael Morbius!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:20 p.m. CST


    by BilboRing

    There has not been a movie worth seeing since Return of the King. I can totally see Del Toro kicking massive ass on this project. Oh the glory of it all. Oh the glory of what shall be!!! SNOOCHES!!!!!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:20 p.m. CST

    ow he had to adhere to what Peter had already established..

    by bowtiehoon

    fuck... like he did to the blade movies... fuck...

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:23 p.m. CST

    by samurai sark

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:31 p.m. CST


    by huggerorange

    what the fuck is a smaug? ..and kwisatzhaderach for the record the line BLade: motherfucker i'll kill you is from the first blade not the second...The 3rd blade sucked for the most part, they ruined the 3rd act, the dracula kill was a copy of the nomak kill from pt.2 and using dracula to begin with was extremely cheesy.They screwed it up even further by killing whistler. There should be another blade film to erase the 3rd from memory and drop the nightstalkers act.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Good news

    by BrightEyes

    If we can't have Peter Jackson then Del Toro is the best choice. At least it's not Sam Raimi

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:39 p.m. CST


    by samurai sark

    "What the fuck is a smaug?"<br> LMFAO (I hate using the LOL-language, but that deserved it)

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Blade:Trinity = Ballsweat

    by samurai sark

    I'm thankful they didn't call it Blade 3, though. That means there's a possibilty of Trinity being a failed attempt at a spinoff, and we Blade-heads can have a BADASS version of Blade 3! <br><br> Rock the vote people! Oh and a "Smaug" is when you hock a loogie on your girl's back when doing it doggystyle. Try it!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Whoa whoa whoa whoa WHOA

    by Mattyboy122

    In no way, shape, or form was having the elves show up at Helm's Deep a good idea. Haldir's death scene, anyone!? PJ played it like we're supposed to give a fuck, but this guy was in pretty much one scene in Fellowship (which means almost no one would remember him, and even if they did, he was a prick in Fellowship, so they would be justifiably bewildered at the sappy, melodramatic treatment of his death). The elves showing up at Helm's Deep also takes away from the idea of men having to fight to inherit Middle Earth. The elves snapping to attention and whatnot is cringe-inducingly bad. Anyway, you can say things happen between The Hobbit and LotR but there's no ARC. What's the point of just showing a bunch of stuff happening if none of it really shapes LotR? Who would be the main character in this bridge film? You gotta have one, otherwise it'll just be a bunch of random events strung together.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Regarding the Vince Vaughn thingy at the top of the site

    by Kragmose

    Can that man do anything else than have a really, REALLY annoying face expression? It's quite incredible.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:55 p.m. CST

    I know this is off topic

    by Calimist

    but does this look like Amber Heard on the set of the Informers or is it some extra

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:56 p.m. CST


    by samurai sark

    A smaug is when you fart in a girls mouth while she gleeks on your hole. It's awesome

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 3:59 p.m. CST

    I mean

    by Mattyboy122

    I'd like to see The Silmarillion onscreen because there's some awesome stuff that happens, but how do you weave a narrative thread through all of the stories? If you can't, it'll be a bunch of filler, an episodic mess.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 4:17 p.m. CST


    by Quin the Eskimo 2

    Hellboy vs Smog!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 4:21 p.m. CST


    by samurai sark

    A smaug is when the girl takes a bong hit and then tries to go down on you while coughing. Its awesome!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 4:28 p.m. CST

    super villain

    by nippleslipz

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Re: Mattyboy122

    by Cobbio

    I understand you didn't like the way Jackson and his writers handled some of the scenes, which is fine, but if he had stuck to the book, the movie probably would've been slow and even yawn-inducing. He took liberties, which for the most part worked, both dramatically and plotwise. You'd probably agree that what works in a book often falls flat onscreen.<p> So why not piece together a narrative that complements "The Hobbit" with extremely well-documented footage from supplementary tales? It could work. Especially with creative people like Jackson and Del Toro at the helm.<p> By the way, have you googled "Dol Guldur" yet? It might give you some food for thought.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 4:35 p.m. CST

    You're mostly right mattboy...

    by Skyway Moaters

    ...unless they focus on the South: Gondor's border skirmishes, Rohan's trouble with Saruman and so on. Also take into account that in FOTR, book not movie, nine years passes between Bilbo's 111th BDay and when Frodo finally leaves the Shire bearing the One Ring. They could bring in the the Dunedain, the Sons of Elrond, Radagast the Brown, the "resurrection" of the Ring Wraiths, the loss of Minas Ithil Gollum's search for "Baggins" & "Shire" his capture by Saurons forces, his escape, etc etc. It's actually a rather eventful 60 years that leads up to eand of the 3rd Age now that I've started thinking about it, hmm...

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Didn't they cover a lot of this

    by skywalkerfamily

    In the prologue to Fellowship?

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 4:40 p.m. CST


    by Proman1984

    Even Raimi would be a better choice! Bring back Jackson!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 4:44 p.m. CST


    by Proman1984

    fuck it all.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 4:58 p.m. CST

    by huggerorange

    david goyer is a great aas a writer..( Blade 1+2, Batman Begins)as a director he needs improvement.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Free Wesley

    by Gidney

    Yeah, Wesley's gone down a serious rabbit hole with his anti-tax stuff (read it on smoking gun) so he's probably gonna be "busy" for a few years. Didn't he file some lawsuit against the studio for breach of contract over Blade 3?

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 5:08 p.m. CST


    by CaptEgo

    As Mattyboy has correctly pointed out the notion of going with the *shit we made up* version of the Hobbit is a terrible idea. In the Rings movies the worst bits were almost invariably the 'look how clever as screenwriters' we are. When Sam wails 'by all rights we shouldn't even be here!' at Osgiliath all my mates and I were oing 'Hell yeah'. Virtually every 'added' riff smacked of sappy melodrama or cringeworthy attempts at humour. I get a stabbing headache thinking about how stupid 'Denethor the sprinting human torch' was and cringe at the notion this is some fanboys idea of 'cool'. Contrary to Cobbio's contention that 'it might have been boring otherwise' what really needed to happen was appropraite *editing* of the existing material not adding in a bunch of BS. This Dol Goldur, White Council and hella whupass fights version of a Prequel just screams out as lame Tolkien Fanfic with a giant ass budget. If we're going to saunter down that road we may as well include a good dose of Homoerotic Dawrf/Hobbit yearning and maybe a big Buzby Berkley musical swimming number as the dwarves barrel roll down the River Running. Yeesh.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Rindain Said It Best

    by Digby_Higgins

    PJ-directed continuity? The Hobbit was much different, tonally, than the Lord of the Rings. Del Toro has a great hand with darkness and childlike wonder--please see Pan's Labyrinth as the perfect example. He is the perfect person for the project, especially as now you'd have the Superteam of Jackson and Del Toro together. I hope it's true.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 5:20 p.m. CST

    by huggerorange

    when is gallowwalker coming out?? dont tell me it got fucked..

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Thank God Jackson's not directing! Now they should keep Serkis a

    by Merriman Lyon

    If they can stop Jackson interfering, and keep the effects budget to a minimum, this could end up being good. And hopefully they'll have a real actor playing Gollum this time instead of a CGI cartoon.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 5:29 p.m. CST

    ..way too!

    by Merriman Lyon

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Rather see him do Harry Potter

    by FallingWithStyle

    The Deathly Hallows i think might be a better match for GDT, and he expressed an interest in doing it. For the Hobbit I'd rather have someone like a pre-spiderman Raimi...not entirely sure who fits the bill though. i suppose though, if that means Cuaron is back for Potter 7, and Del Toro gets to make At The Mountains...afterwards then you cant get much better than that - after Children of Men and Pan's Labyrinth they can do no wrong

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 5:50 p.m. CST

    SERKIS to play all the parts!

    by skywalkerfamily

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 6:17 p.m. CST

    The Jackson Look

    by Kizeesh

    will remain. why? because this is a Wingnut production. Built using the existing designs and as a direct prequel to the LOTR films as made by PJ. I'm sure Del Toro will have creative input, but he won't be usurping this in the way that say... Alfonso Cuaron did to Harry Potter 3.<p> Anyone who expects that they're be major thematic and stylistic changes will be sorely disappointed, by nothing more than their own self-denial.<p> Peter Jackson brought Tolkien to the screen, his vision will remain so long as it's being made by his company; with him and his wife writing and producing.<p> Myself, I'm quite glad.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 6:23 p.m. CST

    warwick davis for bilbo

    by Kloipy

    and everything else in the world

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Re: CaptEgo

    by Cobbio

    I respect your opinion on the *shit we made up* version of the Hobbit, CaptEgo, but I still disagree with you. From your prose, you seem like a writer, so your opinion is undeniably strong on this issue. That's fine.<p> But as Mattyboy122 also failed to acknowledge, many of the scenes that worked (whether you think they did or not) were invented or augmented scenes that never appeared in the books. Plus the decision to remove Tom Bombadil turned out to be a VERY good idea, since the film would've slowed to a crawl before it went anywhere with Tom included. This is my opinion, obviously, but I think the majority of LOTR fans would agree with me. "Appropriate editing" wouldn't have done much for the film in this case, would you agree?<p> Plus, I think you're being narrow minded reducing the second "Hobbit" film to a "... whupass fights version of a Prequel [that] just screams out as lame Tolkien Fanfic with a giant ass budget." As before, you're entitled to your opinion, but it ain't Fanfic since the events were outlined and written by J.R.R. himself.<p> I'm not saying these films will amaze people or play as well as Jackson's "Lord of the Rings." Del Toro has a lot to live up to in this department. What I'm saying is that, to me, the two-film format might deliver with good writers, WETA, and Del Toro directing. "Pan's Labyrinth" was enough to convince me he could handle it.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 6:49 p.m. CST

    I'm Torn

    by fastcars

    On one hand, a Del Toro directed Hobbit would be great. On the other hand, At the Mountains of Madness has been in the waiting for too long. Sigh. I guess ripoffs of Lovecraftian monsters (such as in Cloverfield) will have to tide us by for a few years. And why exactly is The Hobbit being made into two movies? Is New Line that desperate for cash?

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 6:56 p.m. CST

    I'M GLAD

    by BurgerTime

    These projects will be in the proper hands and that everyone was able to find a way to cooperate. In my opinion, it's been the best, most consistently strong film series in recent history, and it will be wonderful to revisit Tolkien's world two more times.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Mattboy and CaptEgo's taste PJDT's pudding before it's done.

    by Tinfang

    Filler? How do you know? It's going to be Jackson/Toro's story and I haven't heard the screenplay's even been written yet. I want continuity between the movies. Yes, I cringed when I first heard about Haldir and any Elves being at Helm's Deep but after seeing TTT, I most certainly did give a fuck when Haldir was killed. I’d rather have seen more Rohirrim at HD as in the book, yes, but I liked how it was done in the movie adaptation too. I do agree that some of PJ’s fabrications were appalling but they were mostly tiny segments in a rather long movie, after all. Anyways, I doubt if we’ll see a verbatim re-telling of the Hobbit followed by a sequential listing of Appendix B by dates. There’s plenty that happened to serve as a basis for a screenplay. I want to see Bill Ferny piss his britches when the Nazgul catch him! Again, we haven’t heard anything yet.<p> Yes, let’s condemn the very notion of a movie maker providing continuity between movies before we’ve seen it on the screen. Oh sure, curse PJ’s very name to all of Arda for even mentioning a second movie. I’ll bet Jupiter is starting to wobble on its axis as I type this. Is that the sound of a tiny cow being berthed? Sigh, here we go again with the Cult of Tolkien Fundamentalist. And having an opinion doesn't automatically infer rightness. O the damned hoot!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 7:02 p.m. CST


    by Murraypalooza

    Next to Pixar movies, Sean Bean is money in the bank. :D

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Well said Kizeesh.

    by Tinfang

    Why don't those who hated Jackson's LoTR just decide right here and now not to go see The Hobbit and, hmmm, The Return of the Shadow. Save yourselves the heartburn and obvious anguish.<p> Whoever the poster was who asked about Saruman being in The Hobbit, no, but we'll probably see him in the second movie when the Whote Council meets. See RoTK, Appendix B. Hey, maybe that title would satisfy The Purist. O the hoot!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Bother these creaky fingers.

    by Tinfang

    That would be the WHITE Council. O the Whoote!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 7:18 p.m. CST


    by jfp2007

    "people who read the Bible"<p>You act like that's some tiny cult of people. It's only a couple billion or more.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Err-uh, beggin' your pardon Mr. Skyway Moaters sir.

    by Tinfang

    Not trying to be an anal retentive Tolkien Fundamentalist know-it-all but Minas Ithil was taken almost a thousand years before the events of The Hobbit took place. Much less betwixt Bilbo's birthday party and Mr. Frodo setting off on his adventure. Maybe you're thinking of Osgilliath. Trubba not mellon.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 7:22 p.m. CST

    geez louise

    by BDT

    Love PJ. Love Guillermo. Love Tolkien. Seems like this deal was arranged with Peter's good will intact, which just makes me SSOOOOOO happy for Guillermo cause he gives his projects every ounce of TCL he can pour into them and it shows. Nonetheless, it just wouldn't be right without Peter feeling good about it. Doug Jones and Andy Serkis in one movie is just my idea of heaven. Weta's FX, too. Heehaw! this is great news!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 7:46 p.m. CST

    great news. mcAvoy for Bilbo.

    by pipergates

    would have prefered Cuaron, but delToro is great too. Just hope he holds back his inner monsters and keeps in mind his is basically a childrens story. No Raimi, what a relief.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Huh? Is that true pipergates?

    by Tinfang

    Where'd you hear McAvoy was playing Bilbo? I hope it's true and don't be tuggin' at me pipes!<p>MandolorianShoutingSage: Were you asleep? Saruman got his on the great spikey wheel o' death in the beginning (Extended Edition) of RoTK. Bosh, the theatrical version don't count but Saruman's imprisonment was referred to by Treebeard in that one too.<p> O the floot!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Ian Holm - he is too old. Yes, too old to begin the filming.

    by cutest_of_borg

    What the hell does a Mandalorian know about Middle Earth, eh? So sayeth borg. Oh, wait a minute...never mind.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 8:05 p.m. CST

    dear old ringwearer9...what a knob...

    by slappy jones

    if jackson had stuck to the books religiously the three films would have been fucking terrible and failed miserably. but he didn't and they were all hugely successful on every single level that a film can possibly be judged. sorry ringy but your opinion is the MINORITY...not the majority. the trilogy was successful on every single level. they made a ton of cash so audiences liked them...they were all critically acclaimed so critics liked them and they won awards out the ying yang so the industry liked them. So on every single level that you can tangibly judge a film success on they succeeded. obviously you hated them and thats fine but dont start claiming that your opinion is of the majority when it clearly isn't. in fact it sounds to me that life in your weird little obsessed world is rathr boring and sad. heres an are obviously going to dislike these new films so don't waste valuable time seeing them. give them a miss and spare us all your anal complaints and bullshit observations. surely you have better things to do with your time then see 2 films you already hate?

  • Because whoever played Silent Hill 2 KNOWS he'd be the guy to do it. And that would be amazing.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Del Torro is a superior filmmaker to Jackson

    by hegele

    I'm more exited about this than any of the LotR films.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 8:06 p.m. CST

    Will it be Mo Cap? Apparently not..

    by Vesuvio

    but if so, then I'd go with Zemeckis. The important thing here is ALFONSO MOTHERFUCKING CUARON for DEATHLY MOTHERFUCKING HALLOWS.. also two movies, also back-to-back.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Doug Jones could play Thranduil

    by hellboy666

    aka the xenophobic King of the Mirkwood Elves, and father of Legolas. Jones certainly has the tall, thin, elf-look. Perlman as the voice of Smaug would be great, but I could also see Del Toro casting Ron Perlman to play Bjorn, the orc-hunting werebear.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 8:28 p.m. CST

    an excelent choice

    by virtual_ninja

    go del toro! He is perfect for the job. Iam also glad Riami didnt get the gig, or we would have an emo bilbo dancing to jazz music.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Guillermo in cinemascope... finally?

    by S.Lowrey

    So we finally get to see a Guillermo Del Toro film in 235:1, thats interesting. I wonder if Navarro will sign on or if they are going to get Andrew Lesnie to come on so the film worlds look consistent... I can't wait to see this.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 8:48 p.m. CST


    by zer05um

    Let Mt. Taranaki be the Lonely Mountain. The scenery is fantastic.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 9:05 p.m. CST

    I want Mountains of Madness NOW!

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    Now-ow-ow-ow! [jumps up and down, bangs fists].<p>Hobbit I can wait for. Hobbit 2: Walk Harder I can wait even longer for. Mountains of Madness' Time, my friends, is upon us.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 9:11 p.m. CST

    The guy who played Tin Tin is on Prison Break

    by Han Cholo

    Just saw him on an episode the other day. He essentially plays the same character as he did in The Crow. Cept he didn't say anything about shanking anyone's ass. How's that for typecasting?

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Trik_Ster and occula, represent

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    I'm glad I'm not the only one who would rather some some HPL first. Of course there may be some merit in saying he needs to pull in a big base with the Tolkien stuff.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Slow Motion, Constipation, and Fake Deaths

    by Steve Young

    He's dead! No he's not! Wait, yes - but no! Jackson passed the torch to GDT on the condition that The Hobbit would contain at least five (5) jerky slow-motion sequences, and at least one (1) extreme and constipated close-up of a major character, and at least seven (7) "fake deaths". PO-TA-TOES. Boil 'em, mash 'em, stick 'em in a stew!

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 9:56 p.m. CST

    two movies

    by Staldo

    movie I. The Hobbit, just over three hours with foreshadowing about the Necromancer and whatnot. movie II.The Fall of Minas Morgul. (concurrent with the events of Rings)Two and a half hours. Dwarves, Elves, Rangers and Lakemen vs. orcs, Black numenoreans and Wild Men. Directed by Del Toro, I'd see that sucker. Either that or have two leisurely movies of the Hobbit, the first one ending with the "Purple Emperors" scene. This is kind of a coincidence since Hellboy II features Elves that strongly resemble the LOTR version, only evil as fuck.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 9:57 p.m. CST


    by CaptEgo

    Yah see...the issue here is not a matter of slavish devotion to the source material but a prudent *use* of the source material. Just for Tinfangs elucidation I should point out that my concerns about this hybrid creature of a movie come from the interview done with Jackson some time back wherein he made clear his disinterest in the Hobbit as a 'Childrens Tale' and musing on things like the 'White Council' and bringing back some/much of the cast. As I mentioned in my first comment I’m actually pleased with Del Toro as a possible directing choice because I think he’s got a better feel for what will make good kids story than Pjax. I’m simply concerned about what a Jackson looming over him means. <p> My reservations about what such comments mean to a Hobbit film are directly proportional to how awful the Elves at Helms Deep were, for example (without even ten-foot-pole touching the mercifully excised ‘Arwen’ warrior Princess crap that was filmed). In addition to being the finest cinematic cheese with the silly walk marching and Haldir's 'I could give a damn' death only serving to highlight the fact that they called that old war the *Last Alliance of Elves and Men*...not the 'Penultimate Team Up of Pointys and Not' or the ‘Last Alliance until we abruptly decided it wasn’t’. When you pull that kind of shit you end up sucking the air out of the story by cheapening the narrative. If Galadriel in the introduction points out the ‘Last Alliance’ it helps make a strong statement about the differing path of Men and Elves and adds a good bit of gravitas to the situation. When you blow that off in the second film you start allowing your audience to suspect you might just be peddling the usual cheap fantasy crap that sounds like the scribbling of a paint huffing D & D nerd. Tolkien’s story hangs together so well because of small but hugely meaningful details like that and screwing around with them casually stands out as massive hack work. <p> The point of making these comments Tinfang is to bitch about what the films *could be* based on what we’ve heard that the people in charge have suggested they’d like. It’s like free focus group input encouraging our valiant filmmakers to see the light as we see it. If I hadn’t read the interview material with Jackson talking shit about this ‘variant’ I wouldn’t have been all that stressed assuming he would have the good sense to stick with the tone of the book as he did very very successfully with the Rings films. <p> Sadly, at this point it’s looking a hell of a lot like this is a big case of a bunch of Dwarves (New Line) hiring an ill prepared Hobbit ‘Burglar’ (Jackson) to plunder the horde of an Evil Dragon (the filmgoing public). <p> The irony is of course that I quite liked the Trilogy. I felt Two Towers was the weakest although Return of the King had the most heinous atrocities. I don’t think it’s a surprise that the bits that hove most closely to the books had the most power. Most people remember the bits swiped and swapped from the book, Gandalf chatting with Frodo about consequences, the bridge of Khazad-Dum, Boromir’s heroic death, the Ents attack on Isengard, the charge of the Mumakil, etc. Many of my non-Tolkien reading friends were like ‘Wow…that stuff’s amazing’. When I asked them about the ‘added’ bits they either seemed to think them unremarkable, occasionally peculiar and some outright dumb. I’d love a Hobbit that avoided ‘the dumb’ as much as possible.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 10 p.m. CST

    The Hobbit will be pretty, souless and utterly hollow...

    by Sledge Hammer

    ...just like everything that Del Toro makes. I can't believe the amount of love the man is getting here. Great directing isn't about the creation of great looking visuals, it's about the blending of visuals, story and character, something that Del Toro is still woefully inadequate at. Also is it just me, or does this seem more like Harry's attempt to get Del Toro a bunch of fanboy propoganda to use to help get him over the line in securing this job more than anything else?

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 10:18 p.m. CST

    by tk 421

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 10:57 p.m. CST

    The Silmarillion

    by TerryMalloy

    Had so many great stories in it. I really really hate the idea of a bridge film. The Hobbit will be fine and enjoyable but nothing profound. But the bridge? I'm highly skeptical.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 11:01 p.m. CST

    I'd Rather see an Original Del Toro

    by Larry of Arabia

    This man has one of the most fertile imaginations in the world. Sure, a lot of directors take the scripts of others and put their own stamp on them, but the look and feel of Middle Earth are established. Del Toro can put a stamp on this world, much the way his friend did with Harry Potter, but he can't let his imagination have free reign. He'd have to adhere to some very strict rules. I don't want to see him do someone else's work. I want to see a genuine Del Toro movie. IF he must adapt, he should adapt something that doesn't already have an established universe behind it so he can mold it into something truly unique.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 11:02 p.m. CST

    RE: Thanks Cobbio!

    by kirttrik

    That helped out.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 11:03 p.m. CST

    Where are is the source for the 2nd film?

    by kirttrik

    Are they making it up or is it taken from the lost tales? That really matters a lot.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 11:04 p.m. CST

    Where is the source for the 2nd film?

    by kirttrik

    Are they making it up or is it taken from the lost tales? That really matters a lot. I hope they don't try to continue making hobbit movies.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 11:21 p.m. CST

    So is this official, or what?

    by AntoniusBloc

    If not, don't think this is the best choice. Obviously, PJ is the best choice, but if not, go with a talented director, period. Not talented in only fantasy, or in mo cap, or in cgi, but an extremely talented director, which also has to do with getting good perfomances from actors. Some of the best scenes in LOTR had little or nothing to do with CGI. I'm starting to lean toward a campaign to demand PJ back. Or, P.T. Anderson? Or the guy who did The Fountain? Or Andrew Adamson? I guess i'm with a lot of the posters above who don't get the excitement over del torro.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 11:36 p.m. CST

    NYTimes reported New Line paid Jackson $US 40 million

    by Ryan3

    The New York Times had an article, mentioning that New Line settled their suit with Jackson by paying him $US 40 mill. That's nice and all, but he was probably owed 3 - 5 times that much.

  • Jan. 28, 2008, 11:38 p.m. CST

    Your skepticism is shared TM

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    The Bridge idea makes me go "hmmmmm". Like that one song.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 12:14 a.m. CST

    Why is some arty farty guy doing this?

    by skywalkerfamily

    LOTR is good entertainment. It shouldn't be ruined by some art house director who will make everything boring as dirt.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 12:30 a.m. CST


    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    Would make this shit chop.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 12:36 a.m. CST


    by TerryMalloy

    Del Toro is not exactly an art house director. For God's sakes, he made Hellboy.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 12:37 a.m. CST


    by TerryMalloy

    As a general rule, don't work. There isn't any tension in the movie because you already know the outcome.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 12:40 a.m. CST

    Oops that's right. I apologize,

    by skywalkerfamily

    But it's still an odd choice.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 12:44 a.m. CST

    I mean, why is it odd?

    by TerryMalloy

    Wasn't it expected? He's done fantasy before, he's close to P.J., etc. etc.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 12:44 a.m. CST

    Great Choice

    by MajorMajorMajor

    Since Peter Jackson is tied up with films for the next decade or so, Guillermo Del Toro is a great choice. In my humble opinion, his Pan's Labyrinth, and more importantly the great work he did on the Blade sequel have bought him so much slack that he could knit a Hobbit movie.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 12:46 a.m. CST


    by poeticwarriorII

    No more pretentious, melodramatic, tickle fighting, I don't really get what the fuck this is all about, Jackson. Thank fucking God this fuckin' guy's not doing The Hobbit. Those overrated POS LOTR movies were ridiculous. It was time for a fucking change and they made it. Tell this guy to ditch the fag ridden Hobbits would you? If I see one more midget look longingly at the cacker of another I'm gonna puke.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 12:48 a.m. CST

    I prefer prequels to sequels these days

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    With prequels you are ofttimes capable (capable) of creating a gripping story (if you deal with the same subject but different circumstances and characters whose fates are unknown).<p>But most importantly are far less likely to screw up something that's already good. Sequels usually just trash the name of the originals by fucking up the story and characters. Big Time. Someone will now say something about Star Wars to make a cheap point, but I will ignore them. This has been tonight's Word.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 12:51 a.m. CST

    I honestly can't think of that many good prequels

    by TerryMalloy

    And I'm sorry CG but I include Star Wars in that category.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 12:54 a.m. CST

    I guess I'm just saying, Terry

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    That I like the "idea" of the prequel. It can work, in principle.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 12:57 a.m. CST

    But so can a sequel, in principle

    by TerryMalloy

    Execution, my son. That is what matters. "Do or do not...there is no try"

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 1:04 a.m. CST

    I see your point, Terry

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    I would like a good prequel over a sequel just because I don't like people taking stuff in new, oddball directions in relation to an original story. I hope that our disagreement is characterized by mutual understanding and respect...

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 1:07 a.m. CST

    Our disagreement is characterized

    by TerryMalloy


  • Jan. 29, 2008, 1:09 a.m. CST


    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    So it's war, I see. Likers of the concept of the Prequel, UNITE!!! *crickets chirp*

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 1:11 a.m. CST


    by 'Cholera's Ghost


  • Jan. 29, 2008, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Likers of the concept of the Sequel, UNITE!!

    by TerryMalloy

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 1:15 a.m. CST


    by TerryMalloy

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 1:16 a.m. CST

    I see we must settle this like men

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    [takes off shirt] Prepare for a slappy-fight the likes of which this Talkback has NEVER SEEN. Word of caution: I haven't clipped my nails in twelve days. And I like to pull hair.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 1:18 a.m. CST

    Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom

    by skywalkerfamily

    Was a good prequel. ROTS was the best SW Prequel.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 1:21 a.m. CST

    Good sequels:

    by TerryMalloy

    Godfather II, Empire Strikes Back, ALIENS, Azkaban, T2, Evil Dead 2, Road Warrior

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 1:22 a.m. CST

    Star Trek II, Star Trek IV, Star Trek VI

    by skywalkerfamily

    Spider Man 2, Die Hard 3

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 1:24 a.m. CST

    [takes off shirt]

    by TerryMalloy

    Do you notice that I've been working out? Well I have you bitch. Perhaps you'll also notice that I have twelve chest hairs. That means I'm twelve times the man you are. So bring it.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 1:24 a.m. CST

    Thank you skywalker

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    The Good the Bad and the Ugly is also a good one. I also submit to you, that The Hobbit, will be a great prequel, barring unforeseen circumstances, like Del Toro deciding to cut out the Battle of Five Armies in favor of Tom Bombadil scenes.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 1:27 a.m. CST

    How much do you want to bet....

    by Boromir187

    ........that Tom Bombadil will show up at some point in one of the films? I'd say it is pretty much guaranteed, considering all the fans still whining about him not making it into LOTR.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 1:29 a.m. CST

    I'll bet you seven silmarills

    by TerryMalloy

    that Tom won't show up.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 1:30 a.m. CST

    The Hobbit probably will be good

    by TerryMalloy

    But that doesn't mean the prequel is superior. They are just as easy to screw up as sequels are.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 1:34 a.m. CST

    I present Dumb and Dumberer: When Harry Met Lloyd

    by TerryMalloy

    as exhibit A in my case against prequels.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 1:38 a.m. CST

    The only good prequels...

    by Ravetin

    ...have been video games.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 1:39 a.m. CST

    Althought Godfather II

    by TerryMalloy

    is technically a prequel and a sequel. So it is a perfect example of both.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 1:39 a.m. CST

    Godfather II was part prequel, biotch

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    I submit to the Talkback that neither the sequel nor the prequel is superior to the other. My point is that a prequel can be good whilst not doing unspeakable damage to the originals, as many sequels have in spades, and I prefer them these days because nobody seems able to do a good sequel. (Harry Potter stuff notwithstanding because those are based on a continuous story.)

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 1:43 a.m. CST

    I will see your Road Warrior

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    And Raise you Good, The Bad, and The Ugly!<p>But I take back the "biotch", as you already said something about Godfather. See how Godfather II, being both a sequel and prequel, is capable of easing the strife? I hereby sign a declaration of cessation of hostilities.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 1:45 a.m. CST

    I submit to your impressive logic, CG

    by TerryMalloy

    and slink away quietly into the night...

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 1:46 a.m. CST

    BTTF II was a prequel to III which was kind

    by skywalkerfamily

    of a prequel to one since we saw the beginnings of Hill Valley.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 1:48 a.m. CST

    I love me my BTTF II

    by TerryMalloy

    The hoverboard rocks.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 1:49 a.m. CST

    Godfather II

    by TerryMalloy

    could solve every world conflict. It truly is a special film.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 1:52 a.m. CST

    God bless you, Godfather II

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    The solution to the world's conflicts.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 1:52 a.m. CST

    A Good Sign. Del Toro read The Hobbit, and loved it.

    by Ringwearer9 At<br> “It’s the only Tolkien book I read. I tried my best to read the Lord of the Rings, the trilogy. I could not. I could not. They were very dense. And then one day, I bought The Hobbit. I read it and I loved it. So it would be a privilege. But listen, I wish I knew.”<br><br> Naturally, I'd prefer if he were a big Tolkien fan, but in a way it's better that he loves the first book on it's own, without reference to the Lord of the Rings. The Hobbit SHOULD work on it's own. But if he's going to just bow to Jackson's insane story padding LOTR linking crap, that's not going to help much.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 1:54 a.m. CST

    He had trouble reading LOTR?

    by skywalkerfamily

    I read all three in like a week.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 1:57 a.m. CST

    I love Del Toro!

    by theangiechrist

    this news makes my girly parts tingle! woo!

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 1:59 a.m. CST

    Maybe the central character in the bridge

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    Will be Tom Bombadil. We can only hope.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 2:07 a.m. CST

    I would love it if the bridge movie...

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    Takes us to overlooked cool places from Tolkien's universe, like Rhun. There is potential in the bridge, although my skepticism remains high.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 2:24 a.m. CST

    Yeah, it is discouraging that neither Jackson or Del Toro...

    by Ringwearer9

    ... are readers. Jackson had trouble reading Lord of the Rings, Del Toro had trouble reading Lord of the Rings. But, he did read The Hobbit, and did love it. I have to say, for a long long time I loved The Hobbit more than LOTR as well.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 2:27 a.m. CST

    To be fair, English is not Del Toro's first language

    by Ringwearer9

    It might make reading LOTR in English daunting. Or maybe he got a bad translation into spanish.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 2:55 a.m. CST

    to the All Powerful Wizard

    by Vern

    Hey bud, I don't know what I did that made you hate me so much. When was I invalidating anybody's opinion? I just said I'd rather he did a Blade movie, and then a bunch of people called me an asshole. The first guy was saying I was "staggeringly unfunny," which is fair, but I don't think he knew I was offering my honest opinion. I'm happy for Del Toro but I kind of wish he wouldn't do this so he could be free to pursue other things for the couple years it's gonna take him to do this. Things that might be more straight out of his imagination, and almost definitely wouldn't be Blade. Unfortunately for me.<p> The reason I mentioned Freddy was because New Line became a big studio because of Freddy and Ninja Turtles. But then after I typed it I realized that it would actually be amazing if Del Toro made a Freddy movie. I don't want him to be like Sam Raimi, make some fun "big" movies and then never come back to what I loved him for. I will be excited to watch Del Toro's Hobbit movie but would be more excited to watch his Freddy movie. So sue me. I never had the same tastes as everybody else here. I don't see why that's a problem.<p> Anyway, sorry if I have been a "douche" in your experience, but I think if you look back you will see that everybody is invalidating MY opinion here, not the other way around. Although I guess by pointing that out I'm kind of invalidating your opinion. So you win this round.<p> If it's any consolation, I seem to be widely hated on all the talkbacks lately, and all the movies I hold dear are being called crap, and I am a huge asshole for not understanding various comic strips and cartoons from the '80s. I don't "work for Harry" as you say, I've never been paid a dime for anything I've done here, I just write and post here because I have fun doing it. But it's not as fun when everybody hates me and not in a funny way. If I'm such an asshole I guess it must be coming back to me.<p> thanks wizard

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 4:59 a.m. CST

    I like you Vern

    by Spoiler_Man

    I don't think your an asshole. That moriarty is an asshole but your pretty cool.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 5:21 a.m. CST


    by Tinfang

    I take your point CaptEgo, in the larger sense, but I don’t totally agree with your observations. Again, what “hybrid” movie are you talking about? I haven’t seen PJDT’s Hobbit yet, have you? Unless my uptake is seriously decrepit these days, I’m seeing two movies; The Hobbit and the bridge movie. Perhaps you mean the latter though you tend to switch gears in your otherwise well reasoned post. Now, I truly love the Hobbit, as written, but I’ll be perfectly happy with an adaptation that isn’t geared towards children. I’m able to maintain a duality of opinion. Meaning, I’ll be happy either way. To me, Jackson’s biggest crime was the absolute murder of Gimli’s character and think about that multiplied by thirteen! No, I wouldn’t want PJDT to go hog wild on silly, farty, belching and magically comical Dwarves. So trust me, I share your concerns but it’s way to early to get bent over it one way or another.<p>I guess I just see watchful concern but Jackson’s comments which, when updated, seem to refer to the bridge movie. I believe he did say “faithful” adaptation of the Hobbit, didn’t he? Why not be optimistic about it instead of hyperbolic negativity right out of the starting gate? Again, I share your concern but all the good PJ did in LoTR far, far outweighed the negative. I tend to go the Cole Porter route and accentuate the positive.<p>Still don’t agree that Haldir and crew at HD were “awful.” Yes, if you are included in that breed of LoTR fundamentalist but happily, I’m not when it comes to movie adaptations. What you see as silly, others clearly do not. Now, excising Arwen from the final cut was a mercy to even the slightest of LoTR, the book, fans. I completely agree with you there and wouldn’t you say that’s a positive indication of having people steer Jackson away from such idiocy? I think PJ learned a lot from fan response and the removal of Arwen at HD proves it. Now he has a director, not just Fran and Philippa, to keep him constrained from his excesses. I say rejoice! Eglerio!<p>Finally (everyone cheers), there is book precedence for more “alliance” fighting where men and elves join forces. Look at the Battle of Five Armies from the Hobbit. That was post Last Alliance yet it happened, yes? That was a temporary alliance of convenience just as Jackson depicted in Two Towers. It wasn’t meant to convey another great alliance but rather a smaller scale tactical force multiplier, in the military sense. Jackson had precedence provided by no less than Tolkien. Maybe he did pick up a few things from the books after all. Too bad he missed the Scouring of the Shire but that’s for another debate.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 5:30 a.m. CST

    I guess people were bound to turn on Vern

    by caruso_stalker217

    It happens with all mythical folk heroes. Remember SMOKEY AND THE BANDIT 2? <p>I still believe in Vern, though. That's what makes the magic real.</p> <p>Okay, I guess I've been up too long. That magic talk was out of line.</p>

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 7 a.m. CST

    LOTR is boring shit....

    by travis-dane

    and Jackson has no balls anymore.He should have stopped after "Meet the Feebles",which was his masterpiece.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 7:17 a.m. CST

    Vern, you're OK in my book

    by ATARI

    Feel better now? <br>

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 7:19 a.m. CST

    No, I want Jackson to direct

    by Drath

    And that's it.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 7:34 a.m. CST

    Gullermo Del Toro's Peter Jackson's Wes Cravens New Nightmare

    by skeletonjack

    I reckon Vern's onto something: I'd love to see a Del Toro directed Frddy flick. Even better, how about he directs Peter Jacksons Elm Street script, or better still let the pair of them come up witha new Nightmare film?! Back to the main topic though: I'd prefer just the one film of the Hobbit to be honest, and if Jackson wont direct it (as I would have happen in a perfect world) then Del Toro is as good a replacement as any.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 7:59 a.m. CST

    Just stay the fuck away from H.P Lovecraft!

    by DoctorWho?

    Seriously 'unfilmable' if anything ever was. You so called 'horror' devotees just stick to your Rob Zombie, Texas Chainsaw, torture porn etc... bullshit. Don't dillute the greatest literary cosmic-horror with mediocre CG and bad 'hip' casting choices.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 8:33 a.m. CST

    Nolan's Tribute To Ledger

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    I realize this is the wrong talkback but this is the most viewed right now so I figured what the hell. Christopher Nolan has a tribute to Heath Ledger at Newsweek. It's very touching.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 8:53 a.m. CST

    Vern, get a reality check...

    by Ghostball

    you troll fantasy / comic book fans while you apparently haven't the vaguest notion that all the films you love so much, be it Blade 2 or the Freddy movies, Steve Dumptruck Seagal or the first Die Hard movie or whatever, are FANTASY COMIC BOOKS MOVIES! Bruce Willis diving out of a skyscraper with a firehose and back into a lower storey is as much fantasy schoolboy bullshit as dragons or anti-terrorist teams based on dolls, or giant alien robots. You're welcome. Come on, stop busting TB'ers chops on the basis of your supposedly superior aesthetics of 'realism' or 'toughness', and concentrate on writing entertaining, blow-coffee-out-your-nose funny reviews. Ok, to be fair you haven't been grinding an axe on this thread in particular, but I can sense more of your unwarranted geek-sniping rolling up on the horizon. The fact that you've done time in prison because it was too difficult for you to obey the laws of your country neither makes you a man, nor immune to being a geek. Regarding that shit you said about the need for more Blade and Freddy - they were great for what they were in their day (yeah, I think of Blade as 'back in the day' now), but what is there left to do with them in your opinion? I'm genuinely interested. And don't gimme any crap about you worrying someone might pilfer your ideas, we've got our own thanks. *mental note - pilfer Vern's ideas*

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Del Toro's Mountains of Madness...

    by Ghostball

    Del Toro hasn't got the magic touch with audiences, his films look great but he has yet to prove he can make a connection the way Jackson has. Ok, so was Jackson's LOTR but to less of a degree. Pan's WAY overrated, and that guy who basically said Ophelia hadn't emotionally earned her Princessdom at the end was right on the money - she hadn't witnessed shit. But yes, Del Toro should be given a shot at bringing his own definitive big-budget vision to MoM. If he fucks it up, Lovecraft's pan-dimensional nightmares will survive and find their way into the hands of a better filmaker eventually... but in the meantime I'm remain fully jazzed at the prospect of Del Toro successfully combining HP's cataclysmic dread with Blade 2s visceral fireworks. Yeah, I said Blade 2, batches. Del Toro, get your ass to MoM.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 9:52 a.m. CST

    because Jack Colby...

    by just pillow talk

    there are some here who have a gigantic pole up their ass.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Fuck You Haters

    by BilboRing

    You fucking fucks! Hobbit will rule them all you fucks! Fuck you haters! Why the hate? Fuckers! Go fucking drool over mindless crap like Rambo. You fucks!

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 10:12 a.m. CST

    just pillow talk...

    by Ghostball

    Where the hell do you get off saying some of us - *check own ass* Oh. My mistake...

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Dave Grohl in Star Trek?

    by Ray Gamma

    what's all this about Dave Grohl doing a cameo in the new Star Trek?

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 10:36 a.m. CST

    i still want to know about the mcavoy rumor

    by occula

    i'd let that guy finger me in the dump-hole fo sho!sorry, that wasn't overly ladylike.<p>so who won the smackdown, gents? cholera, are you standing proud? terry, are you triumphant? or are both you girls wallowing in a morass of your own doo doo butter?

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Harry...good luck on the surgery!

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    I know several people who had their lives changed by it! The important thing to remember is to continue to exercise once you have lost the weight. My suggestion is that you purchase a quiet horizontal exercise bike. These are easier on the joints and can provide the necessary 20-45 minutes of strong cardiovasular exercise while still watching a good movie! Good luck, man!

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Tinfang: Forgive me oh metal toothed pedant...

    by Skyway Moaters

    You are correct of course, got a little carried away, thinking much faster than my fumbling fingers can type. I was actually thinking in terms a of a "flashback". Imagine the garrisons fighting the see-saw battles for Osgiliath telling stories to new recruits or something. *** The obvious thing, as others have indirectly pointed out, would be be to focus on the activities of the White Council following the close of "The Hobbit" and draw in other threads as the character arcs cross.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Pan's Labyrinth...

    by DoctorWho?

    ...was a bit overated I must agree. Still good, but the way some TB'ers here said they wept at the ending...and Del Toro saying the film almost "killed him"...had me thinking I was going to to see a masterpiece for the ages... Not quite. LOTR had some very moving scenes i.e Gandalf's death. Howard Shore's score had a big impact too. And BTW, Shore had BETTER be on board for this too or heads will roll.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Aw c'mon Vern...

    by morGoth

    ...don't take it so hard. You must admit you were engaging in covert genre bashing, right? I mean, what did you expect? You come to a TB that has an important announcement (true or not) for Tolkien geeks then proceed to, in effect, tell us DT is wasting his time on this shit. So what did you expect mate? Love your writing and always look forward to your reviews. Stop with the cliched perceptions...not every Tolkien fan is a D&D (never had any interest in RPG's...none) playing stereotype that requires mindless internet bullying. Grow up and get your balls back but don't disparage others taste because it may not be inline with your own...simple as that.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 11:36 a.m. CST

    LOL Ghostball

    by just pillow talk


  • Jan. 29, 2008, 11:45 a.m. CST

    That's a pretty eerie coincidence Reznik.

    by morGoth

    I too had a friend, a long time Tolkien fan, who died of diabetes complications four months before Fellowship premiered. I know she would've loved it as I kept her up to speed on all the trailers. Dam...

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 11:49 a.m. CST

    That's gross greenleaf...

    by morGoth

    ...and everyone knows fries are better with mustard! Especially FRENCH'S mustard. heh, knew that was coming didn't ya? I'll bet DelToro and harry like 'em with taco sauce (just staying on topic) when they watch Return of the King together.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Sorry KurtLockwood...

    by morGoth

    ...Ungoliant didn't get to munch down on any Silmaril...that pesky Blackheart kept all three of 'em and stuck 'em in his ugly assed Crown. It says so right in that book...Morgoth's Jools (thank'ee kindly for the spelling though).

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 11:53 a.m. CST


    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    The decisive winner of the Great Sequel/Prequel Flame War Debate of 'o8, just when it was about to spin rapidly out of control, was Godfather Part II, which kicks everybody right in the babymaker.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 11:55 a.m. CST

    But I admit

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    Although I put on a brave face, that when Terry tore his shirt off, I pissed myself.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 12:03 p.m. CST

    s'okay pal

    by occula

    as with the legendary-in-our-own-minds latvian (?) boyfriend punching story, this, too, shall live in infamy. the tribal elders will gather round the fires in the future days when we have managed to nuke ourselves back to the stone age and tell the story of the TB where one brave soul crumbled in the face of 12 chest hairs.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Did Vern just have a Andew Dice Clay moment?

    by kirttrik

    Cheer up buddy, your posts are still in black, and the rest of us usually have to resort to saying FUCK or FAG to get or points across.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 12:26 p.m. CST


    by kirttrik

    I don't want them making it up or piecing things together from a loose synopsis of a story from one of the Lost Tales.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Our, I meant our points across

    by kirttrik

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 12:53 p.m. CST

    you got it, xi

    by occula

    the lexicon of patton oswalt will, naturally, survive. so will, most likely, the language of cheezburger. i can see it now - 'o hai, childrens. gathr round dis nyse fir. i can has holokosts? kkthxbai!'

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 1:14 p.m. CST

    tommy girl!

    by occula

    oh xi, you know how to make my day. any time we can bring it back to xenu, it's a good day for me.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 1:17 p.m. CST

    My apologies to all hobbits

    by Vern

    I didn't say anything bad about The Hobbit. I like the Lord of the Rings movies, who doesn't? But since I was accused of bad mouthing it I guess I will go ahead and do that. This is a smaller scaled prequel. It's not gonna be as exciting as the epic trilogy. New Line is only making it because their last fantasy movie flopped and this is a sure bet. It's an obvious cash grab. And especially turning it into two movies! How do you turn the smaller scaled children's book prequel into two movies?<p> So you guys are right, I should be excited because he will do a good job and make it worthy of the desperate cash grab. I just don't think it's the fucking Holy Grail. I'm torn about him being substitute-Peter Jackson. He is so talented. Sure it's exciting to see "the director of Pan's Labyrinth doing the Hobbit" but for me personally it would be more exciting to see his followup to Pan's Labyrinth. I wish Peter Jackson could do it while Del Toro's off doing his Del Toro movies.<p> But like I said from the beginning, I will be excited to watch it and he will do a great job (unless he doesn't do it - the Hollywood Reporter story says "in talks"). So get off my fucking balls, etc. I also want to be very clear that I have known alot of hobbits, they are a proud culture and a valuable part of the world community, and I don't care if everybody thinks they're gay.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 1:48 p.m. CST


    by greenleaf

    We're not talking about salad dressing here, we're talking real mayonnaise. Try it. Brandy Bean is unable to get me an ID (says he forgot how to do it, as of December 24) so I won't be joining your barbecue any time soon. Sorry. (I just posted this message in Harry's Picks and Peeks TB by mistake...) Off topic: My casting choice for Beorn having suddenly died last week, I suggest Jude Law as a replacement or possibly Macaulay Culkin. Additionally, I propose Hillary Clinton as Bombur's wife Bombette.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Right on Vern....

    by travis-dane

    thats all.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 1:57 p.m. CST

    it's been swirling about

    by occula

    first there was the mcavoy star trek rumor out there on the inter webs, now this one. it's the syndrome that happens whenever a star rises - their name starts to get mentioned for every posh role that comes down the pike, even if they actually aren't up for it. mcavoy is a dope actor but i agree with the above...martin freeman's probably better suited. but i should actually keep my yap shut in general since i never read the book and i only remember tom bombadil as being some fruity character from 'fellowship' who owned a pony and likes trees. i am a bad judge of this whole thing. bring on the lovecraft, instead!

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 2:08 p.m. CST

    if i was rich i would give ringwearer the money

    by slappy jones

    to make his own lotr triogy. I would love to see what he/she comes up with.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 2:14 p.m. CST

    wow poeticwrrrior

    by slappy jones

    theres no mistaking you for a homosexual. you are a real hetero....totalyl straight. haha hobbits are fags...awesome! you're so straight. nice one! not gay ...AT ALL. thumbs up....

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Vern don't listen to those assholes

    by Kloipy

    we still love you!

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Im with Vern

    by samurai sark

    MORE BLADE NOW! <br><br> Yes, he'll make a great Hobbit, but I want BLADE Dammit! I want a REAL Blade 3, directed by Del Toro, starring Snipes. I want Wesley to give Blade a proper send off before some other jakov takes over the franchise. Blade:Trinity was a farce and doesn't deserve to be recognized as the final film. <br><br> DEL TORO! SNIPES! Get to the choppa!

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 2:56 p.m. CST

    No. Not interested.

    by Jaka

    I'll not be shelling out my hard earned money to see these in the theater unless they're PJ's films. Period. And that's not a complaint about Guillermo, he's great! I, like others, simply feel that these films MUST have the same tone and scope, the same look to the cinematography and the same feel to the dialogue (direction!) as the first three, or I'm not going to be nearly as interested. Guillermo being excited about expanding the world makes me even MORE uninterested. Those exact words have been said 10,000 times by a director stepping into an established franchise and 9,958 of them, give or take, have failed miserably. <br><br> Go Vern!

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 3:08 p.m. CST

    samurai sark....

    by travis-dane

    Amen to that brother!

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Wait....Hobbits are gay?

    by Darth Macchio

    Is that why the little one tried to put his rubber fist...<p><p><p><p><p><p>Oh. My. God.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Fuck this Hobbit shit...

    by SG7

    ...the news here is that Harry is going to do something about his turning into Jabba the Hut. Glad to see you;re gonna do it harry. But ya know what? Surgery is rough. No matter waht it gonna be a total bitch. I'm sure you've seen this:

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 4:12 p.m. CST

    I'd prefer to see PJ do ONE Hobbit movie

    by kirttrik

    Although as long as he's involved I can't complain. Except about the idea of a 2nd movie pulled out of the collective ass of PJ and Del TORO. Might be a deal breaker.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 4:24 p.m. CST

    How about 'Freddy Vs Blade'?

    by pokadoo

    Or perhaps 'Freddy & Blade' (in a 'Tango & Cash' mismatched-Buddy team-up sort of effort). It might be shit. It might not be though. Theres only one way to find out. Make it happen New Line!

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 4:32 p.m. CST

    You sold me, pokadoo

    by Vern

    But if Del Toro is directing I would like to request that it take place during the Spanish Civil War.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 4:43 p.m. CST

    by sheumann

    i have hairy fett, does that make me a hobbit?

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 4:47 p.m. CST


    by TerryMalloy

    Fett is spelled "feet".

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 4:50 p.m. CST

    This site does not have an edit feature

    by TerryMalloy

    so don't feel bad

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 4:50 p.m. CST


    by sheumann


  • Jan. 29, 2008, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Whoever said Jackson's movies are expertly paced is on crack

    by TallBoy66

    His movies have serious pacing problems, they need to be cut a half hour out of all of 'em. But I like him having a hand in it, and maybe Del Toro will make a movie that isn't 3 hours long.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 8:03 p.m. CST

    The Halflings leaf has clouded your mind Mr. Moaters.

    by Tinfang

    No sweaty-da's so don't take a roaddit on my account. Like your take on the White Council scenario. Hah, I can hear some of the Osgilliath garrison talk:<p> Ranger 1: "Pfftt---shoop-WHOOSSHHH! Holy Western Elf tits, where'd you get this shit Mablung?!! Hoo-and-hah but that'll straighten out your pubes!<p>Ranger 2: "Remember that Thorongil guy, y'know, great fighter but was kinda skanky? He got this shit from some runts out West. Hoblits or something like that. Said they were a bit on the tooty-fruity side but they grow some awesome shit. I'm about out but he said he'd be back sometime and he'd cop some more for his buds. Got any of that honey cake left?"<p>Ranger 1: "Fuck, here comes that stick up his ass Boromir! Better stash that stuff!"

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Egad Greenleaf!

    by Skyway Moaters

    Bean "Doesn't Remember"??? Leave it to me.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 9:11 p.m. CST

    I hope he understands pacing!

    by skywalkerfamily

    Your characters don't really need to do a ten minute speech. Sure it's cool, but it's not really needed.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Occula and Xiphos

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    You people are great. Was that Middle English mixed with intertubespeak? If I survive to old age in a nuclear holocaust, all the childrens of the village shall gather 'round as I relate to them the encounter. "So there I was...His twelve chest hairs inches from my face...HEY STOP PULLING ON MY BEARD YOU LITTLE BASTARD!"<p>TerryMalloy or any other who has read Silmarilion--what settings did that book take place in and how well were they described? I'd like to at least see some new stuff for the bridge movie, like Rhun, like I said, if they're gonna do it anyway.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Del Toro for Hobbit! Cuaron for HP7! Raimi for Evil Dead 4!

    by kevred

    C'mon, what could be better than that? :)<p> Then 'The Avengers' and 'At The Mountains of Madness' come out in the summer of 2012 and the world immediately collapses into a black hole under the weight of all that coolness.<p> As much as I loved Jackson's films, this sounds just fine to me. We get a change of pace and new characters while still retaining Jackson's involvement (and hopefully WETA and some of the same actors). It should be loads of fun.<p>Perlman as Smaug would be terrific. Working Doug Jones into it would be terrific. As much as I liked Serkis, I think I preferred the "transitional" non-CG Gollum we saw in flashbacks to the fully-CG version. On repeated viewings, it doesn't work as well for me as the real actors do.<p>Good luck, Guillermo!

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 10:35 p.m. CST

    cheers 'cho

    by occula

    i had a friend who spoke middle english. at the drop of a hat she could spout off spenser or beowulf or whatever and it sounded like she was speaking in tongues. so bizarre. i can barely write in lolcatspeak, myself. have you seen those people 'translating' the bible? it's hy-larious.<p>should i read the hobbit? or the simallimilarilion? i never bothered with either because i had conceptions about them...the hobbit being wimpy, the other one with the long name being obstruse. am i wrong?

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 10:36 p.m. CST

    yes, my dorkitude is showing

    by occula

    thanks for bringing it out, guys. bad enough i'm sitting here with the goddamned 'return of the king' playing on the dvd just for background noise. i should just pack my shit and head for the nearest renaissance faire.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 10:59 p.m. CST

    I would recommend The Hobbit, occ

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    It's not as pansy-ass as one might at first think, on account of the shit that gets thrown Bilbo and Co.'s way. The Trolls, the warg-riders, Gollum, The MIRKWOOD SPIDERS, and of course Smaug. Then there's the Battle of Five Armies. It's a pretty nifty fucking tale.<p>Xiphos, I have a great fondness for Beyond Thunderdome. The cage colloseum with the gratuitous chainsaws was the ShEET. At least it was when I saw it as a wee lad.<p>By the way I recognize Middle English because I think Chaucer is the man.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 11:05 p.m. CST

    Have fun at the renaissance faire.

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    Who here has been to one? And if so, is there mead?

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 11:06 p.m. CST

    Indeed Xiphos.

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    Bilbo has to prove his mettle, but Thorin is The Man. Or The Dwarf, rather.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 11:12 p.m. CST

    At least Tina Turner

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    Looked cool in the post-apocalypse gear. One of the beneficial side effects of nuclear war is the lack of Gap outlets that finally forces humanity to adopt a proper sense of fashion.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Where is Dreamfasting?

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    And the cool Hobbit trailer idea?

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 11:23 p.m. CST

    Ambulatory womb

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    That's just funny.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 11:26 p.m. CST

    xenu provides!

    by occula

    weren't you the least bit jealous that he was GIVEN the ducati? he didn't have to work for it or anything! well, you're a better man than i am, when i think of all the swag celebrities get it literally gives me a cramp. i hope at least he did a photoshoot for it that re-enacted the poster for top gun with kelly mcgillis crawling on him. rad.<p>well i have a borders coupon and i will go get the hobbit tomorrow on your excellent recommendations, gents. i think my misconceptions of the hobbit arise from the bakshi animation. not that there's ANYTHING wrong with bakshi but it's planted in my head as being kind of warm and fuzzy, you know? i am glad to prove myself wrong.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 11:30 p.m. CST

    If I ever have occasion...

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    to go to a renaissance faire, I will raise my tankard of mead to Thorin, the last king under the mountain, asskicking dwarf of the first magnitude.<p>And if anyone says I'm being a dingbat Tolkien nerd, I shall STRIKE THEM DOWN WHERE THEY STAND.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 11:31 p.m. CST

    i love post-apocalyptic fashion

    by occula

    it's kind of hylarious, the idea that somehow everybody's closet will be annihilated and we have to piece together our clothing from rubber hoses and scraps of dog hide. actually i wish i had the stones to dress like that all the time, although without a concealed weapons permit the leather gun rig would look kinda weak.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 11:33 p.m. CST

    i've always wanted...

    by occula

    to shoot a mockumentary about renaissance faires. you'd have to do a mockumentary and not a doc (a la trekkies or the lord of the rings people) because there's NOTHING touching about renaissance faires. renaissance faires are wack. plus you could throw in pirate faires and those crazy people who do real swordfighting, i forget what they're called. it could be so damned funny.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 11:37 p.m. CST

    I like this idea, occula.

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    There has to be a lot of material there. I've been creeped out by renaissance faires ever since the jousting restaurant from The Cable Guy. I've also been frightened of the cable guy.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 11:43 p.m. CST

    My pa used to walk around wearing

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    A .357 on a hip holster. Just a little old .357, and people still gave him the stink eye.<p>And by the way, if a cable guy ever starts wanting to hang out with me I'm going to kill the fucker and make it look like an accident. I'm sorry but that's just how it has to be.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 11:46 p.m. CST

    kevred, Cuaron should have done the 6th,,,

    by Jaka

    HP, it's even got the a similar creepy, ominous tone. Would have been perfect. And WB should have looked through the green haze of the cash they were making hand over fist and realized that the 5th book needed to be two movies, not the 7th.

  • Jan. 29, 2008, 11:46 p.m. CST

    whoa your dad is hardcore

    by occula

    for all my jibing i actually think the SCA people know their shit. in fact i have used their literature as reference for film design i've done - their stuff is much more accurate and detailed than a lot of textbooks out there. the people i'm thinking of are kind of like those 'mountain men' groups - gangs of lunatics who get together and fucking joust and swordfight using the same giant equipment that was used in medieval tymes. i'll think of the name, give me a few.<p>xi, you drive a ducati? that's hot.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 12:09 a.m. CST


    by occula

    speed away! just please don't get decapitated, i saw that happen to a guy once. bike vs. tree, ended badly.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 12:14 a.m. CST

    Of Silmarils and Bike Beheadings

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    In high school I made a student video where a guy gets decapitated in such a manner. I thought it was funny. I guess that's why I got an "F".<p>Also, what is a Silmaril, and can that book have any influence on The Hobbit 2?

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 12:24 a.m. CST

    that's excellent

    by occula

    i also think the whole 'meat pies made out of people' element of sweeney todd is funny, so i'm with you. did you ever read the excellent collection of novellas by stephen king, 'different seasons'? it's the one with 'stand by me' and 'shawshank' in it. well the last story is my favorite, it's about a woman who gives birth after she's decapitated. totally rad. guillermo could do that one!

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 12:29 a.m. CST

    I did read Different Seasons

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    But I only read the Apt Pupil and Shawshank Redemption stories, so I sadly missed that one. This was a looooong time ago, before the Shawshank movie even came out. Guillermo, however, could be an excellent choice for a SK story. I just hope that, you know...we get some Lovecraft first.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 12:40 a.m. CST


    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    I've never been hit center mass with one but I'm sure it must suck. And you're certainly right, it is NOTHING to be laughed at.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 12:46 a.m. CST

    yes, lovecraft, NOW

    by occula

    every once in a while i love to revisit old stephen king. 'the stand,' how fucking brilliant was that book. well gents i must away, until tomorrah!

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 1:03 a.m. CST

    "Lead is bad"

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    Words of wisdom.<p>Of course, there are some rounds that will fuck up your chili bowl worse than others if it doesn't hit something critical, but I know you have to already be very well versed in the whole science of that.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 1:05 a.m. CST

    Proofreading, The Perpetual Enemy

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    I didn't even notice the typo, Xiphos. The human mind usually just fills in the gaps so that's why I now say "corrections be damned"!

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 1:18 a.m. CST

    What the hobbit needs

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    Is more discussion on weaponry. Short bow vs. long bow. Short blade vs. claymore.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 1:29 a.m. CST

    One word: NO! Let Fran Walsh direct them.

    by snakecharmer

    She directed some of the best scenes in LOTR Trilogy.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 1:39 a.m. CST

    When Bilbo gets a hold of sting...

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    Gandalf goes "ah yes, an Elven Mark 6, adjustable grip, dual serration for optimal web-cutting action, comes equipped with blu-ray orc detection and full war runes."

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 1:48 a.m. CST


    by dynamicb

    I don't know if anyone will agree with me ....but the dragons entrance in Beowulf is fantastic. If Smaug is anything like that I would be pleased.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 3:12 a.m. CST

    Wow, slappy jones...

    by poeticwarriorII

    I know you're such a fucking loser you have all your self-esteem piled into PJ and the shitastic LOTR movies but seriously, stop sniffing your own shit long enough to clear the dumb ass out of your head before you post. In closing, fuck you very much for reading you dripping diseased cunt.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 3:51 a.m. CST

    How to kill a franchise step 1: hire Del Toro.

    by Darksider

    See Blade:2 "Bloodhunt" Whatever. That guy is shit. Peter Jackson would be best obviously, but if not get Sam Raimi, Alfonso Cuaron or someone who knows what they are doing.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 5:46 a.m. CST

    This doesn't need to be two movies.

    by MrTrilby


  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:07 a.m. CST

    by Zulithe

    I think Del Toro is a good fit, and better than Rami, IMO. And that hurts me to say, as much as I love the Evil Dead stuff, I just think Del Toro's recent efforts were far superior to say, Spider-man 3. Anyway, The observation has often been made of late how Lucas let others take the director's seat after Episode IV and, in the case of Episode V at least, it is indisputable that this was a wise decision. Could Del Toro conjur up the same magic for Hobbit Pt 1 & 2? That's a swamp even I'd not tread through at this point. I'd like to think he could, though.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Cholera's Ghost

    by TerryMalloy

    <p> The Silmarillion has a lot of cool worlds. But unlike the Hobbit, it actually is very dense, simply because of all the unfamiliar locations, names, etc. I've only read it once but it's more like a history book than a fantasy novel. You'll want to have the Maps of Middle Earth laid out on the table as you go through this thing. </p> <p> And if I'm not mistaken, Middle Earth does not look the same at all from age to age. Continents shift like Pangea. It's craziness. </p>

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 11:13 a.m. CST


    by TerryMalloy

    is pretty much a wasteland. Not much going on there. I think. I'm not going to bother looking it up but I'm pretty sure. Maybe.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Dam, sorry about that Vern...

    by morGoth

    ...looks like I went off half cocked there. Lessee morGy, what part of "excited about the Hobbit" is so hard to comprehend? Duh! Appy polly loggies mate and here's what I'll do to make amends:<p>Since we know PJ reads these TB's, let me offer up a suggestion. I know from reading The History of the Hobbit that Tolkien had originally named Gandalf "Bladorthin." Know where I'm headed? Yep, get Wesley Snipes to play, tah-dah, BLADEORTHIN in the Hobbit! That would bring him back for one more movie and I'm sure the writers will have no problem working in the angle of Gand, erm, I mean Bladeorthin being a vampire Istari. That'll also make the TOLKIEN IS A RACIST! crowd happy. Man, they could cast Tommy Lee Jones (just cuz he's on a Blade connexion) as Thorin Oakenshield too and I'm sure Kris Kristopherson(sp?) would be happy to play Beorn. While they're at it, get Bruce Willis to play a foul-mouthed wise cracking Bard of Esgaroth and I think we've made you a happy, happy Vern. Whatcha think?<p>Sigh, looks like I'm back in form, eh elanor-lass?

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Gandalf the Black

    by Kloipy

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 11:40 a.m. CST


    by morGoth

    ...since you like Thunderdome so much, you really, really owe it to yourself to go to the source: Riddly Walker by Russell Hoban. It's a great post-apocalyptical story and is the basis for Thunderdome. If memory serves, Hoban was in on the movie, at first, but dropped out when he became dissatisfied with the direction of the adaptation. He took the title with him (Skyway Moaters can tell you all about it if you ask him perlitely). A bit difficult to read until you get used to the's a great tell and pretty soon you'll be impressing (and baffling) your friends with all sorts of "Riddly-speak."<p> BTW, did you mean M-4 or M-14? I prefer an M-240 or SAW meeself.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 11:43 a.m. CST


    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    I seem to remember Aragorn or someone talking about travelling there and having cool things to say about it. I could be wrong.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Anti-personnel mines

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    Could have made quite a difference in the Gondor battles.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Slowed them down anyway

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 11:57 a.m. CST


    by morGoth already works! Replace the staff with a katana and you're halfway there.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 12:42 p.m. CST

    i remembered the sword fighting group

    by occula

    and this is classic - it totally fits into this guillermo TB - the group is called ragnarok, believe it or not! GHEY.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Do You Fools Think Peter Jackson Would Fuck This Up?

    by BilboRing

    Trust me, you goblin scum! PJ will bring glory back to the silver screen with Del Toro directing The Hobbit. And of course it needs to be a 2-part movie, you scumbags. In fact, it needs to be a 35 part movie. Why? Becuase all other movies suck balls when compared to the LOTR Trilogy!!! Now go watch Rambo and American Pie 17 while circle jerking with your mamma's man-whore!

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Sure I think Peter Jackson would F this up...

    by poeticwarriorII

    He already fucked the living shit out of the LOTR books, why give him a chance at 4 more hours of weepy eyed fuck me stares and tickle fighting homo midget porn action?

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 2:38 p.m. CST


    by BilboRing

    Why? Because that is what is best in life. Homo wandering midgets with fuck me eyes! Let us not forget the faggot old wizards who love to "study" them.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 2:47 p.m. CST

    MrTrilby, it can't be.

    by Jaka

    It's just not possible if they did a literal translation of the book. It would be 80-90 minutes, maybe 100 if they stretched it. They're clearly going to have to pull from the Silmarillion, Books of Tales and the possibly the Lays of the Beleriand if they're going to make two feature length films. Personally, I really loved 'Children of Hurin' and could see it from a cinematic POV when reading it, but I don't think Christopher would let them touch that one, unfortunately.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Children of Hurin Would be Great

    by BilboRing

    Depressing as hell but great nonetheless.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 2:58 p.m. CST


    by occula

    but wouldn't it be brazilliant to make a mockumentary about it? i also think a dope mockumentary could be made about RPG and online gaming. like, making fun of that toolbag fatal1ty and all those douchebaguettes. i know it would have less widespread appeal but it would still be satisfying, no? hy-larity!

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Cholera's Ghost : Rhûn

    by TerryMalloy

    Not a lot is known.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 4:01 p.m. CST

    We are all are film geeks right....

    by Darth Macchio

    ...with geek being the operative word here...making me wonder why no one has been to anything like Necronomicon? (as in the gaming convention?)....only a few have been to Renaissance festivals? (yes they sell mead...taste surprisingly like turkey leg Flinstone style). Suprised anyone had even heard of the SCA. At Necro, I vividly remember all the people running around playing live action RPG "Vampire: The Masquerade". The best though was this big tall dude with a big black acid wash trench coat (don't ask me!) but he had speakers hidden in the coat with a continual loop of the theme music to The Omen (the original). He had this really creepy psuedo-ominous was full-on ass kicking sweetness...of that there is no doubt.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Heh...roger that Xiphos.

    by morGoth

    Yeah, I should've picked up on the M4 designation. BTW, I fat fingerd the word Riddly-speak...Skyway would kill me as it's parperly named "Riddleyspeak." But then I revver newit til I divvit the pirntowt. Blobs yer numkel an thats my tell. Drop Johns ryding on my back.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6 p.m. CST

    The REAL question is...

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    Del Torro gonna double dip? like Hobbit 1 comes out on dvd-then six months later, the extended version, then 6 monhts AFTER that Hobbit 2, and ext.version 6 mo. later too? only to be triple dipped by re-packaging both films and re-titling them Pan's Labrynth 2 + 3, extended versions? cant wait!

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Glad he's not directing HP 7!!

    by Draco777

    poeticwarriorII, you are fucking messed up. Peter Jackson brought the LotR to life like nobody else could. And you may not know this but he was also nominated for best director 2 times...and won in 2003. So shove that up your ass before you go bashing PJ. And using your homophobic beliefs against the LotR is just plain stupid. Who cares if Sam and Frodo are a little gay? Does that make them bad people in your opinion? Arg...people like you annoy me so much. Anyways Guillermo Del Toro would be an excellent choice as director. He brings such depth and beauty to every inch of the screen. Exactly what we need for an epic masterpeice like The Hobbit.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 8:40 p.m. CST

    2 cents slapped on the counter

    by 5 by 5

    Well, I think it's cool PJ's involved, and I want the "look" of the film to match LOTR. I don't agree with everything PJ did, including the obvious reversals with Gandalf and Moria, Frodo rejecting Sam, Faramir taking Frodo to Osgiliath, etc., but these things didn't ruin the movies for me. I want the same attention to detail and care for the "historic" feel of Middle Earth that PJ exhibited in the LOTR. With a much smaller novel, things will probably stick closer to the original story. I think GDT will do a great job, I like Hellboy, Blade 2, and Pan's Labyrinth. It's awesome this whole thing is coming to fruition. And, er, I don't hate Vern.

  • Jan. 30, 2008, 11:05 p.m. CST

    BilboRing, the tragedy of...

    by Jaka

    'Children of Hurin' is a huge part of what would/could make it cinematically great, in my mind anyway. Especially as an opposite to 'The Hobbit', which has a much more "sunny", "up" feel to it than a lot of Tolkien's other work. But last I read Christopher was unhappy with the Camp PJ. So like I said, I doubt that will ever happen.<br><br>5 by 5: "Faramir taking Frodo to Osgiliath" is the only one that really made me go "wtf?!". Otherwise I can accept, or at least deal with, everything else he changed. And I've watched every minute of the behind the scenes dvds and listened to all the cast commentaries, so I understand the logic of giving ol' Fams a greater arch to his story. But I would have been much happier with more about the Houses of Healing, an on screen, CLEAR explanation of what happened between he and Eowyn, and less of PJ's changes.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 12:54 a.m. CST


    by micturatingbenjamin

    I got what you meant. We had SIX years of Tolkien. The fantasy fan-ship hasn't sailed, but let's just let the whores settle down before you make viewers come back like the sixth fleet to the same shit.<p>As far as Freddy or Blade...I like Freddy, but Jesus, I could beat the shit out of him, because I've seen Dream Warrior a thousand times. I even have the Dream Warrior soundtrack. Also, Robert Englund hasn't been scary since V: The Series.<p>That said, the fucks at New Line thought they could rob the artists by shilling out a shitty version of The Golden Compass probably thinking that the people loved LOTR because it had whimsy and elves and shit. This is why Hollywood is a festering crotch wound; everyone with money gets some kind of fucking mental retardation from being rich or something, and just allow shit like Daddy Day Camp to exist. For every damned LOTR series we get, there are literally 20 or 30 middle of the road 'safe' flicks that I don't want to see.<p>I say another Freddy movie would be great, but get Wes Craven off his ass and make up for Scream. Though, horror movies need to do something special these days to fuck with people and actually, you know, scare them. Folks these days don't seem to get scared at the movies. I don't mean 'eerie, because fingers are coming out of Jessica Alba's eye' kind of scary, I'm talking about Cronenberg in the bathroom in his rubber trenchcoat offing himself with a pair of scissors in Dead Zone. That will FUCK A BODY UP.<p>Hobbits aren't gay, but the entire concept of their fruity innocence and youthful appearance shames the closet homos into barking about how 'gay' they are. I think dudes with moustaches like Triple H are kind of gay, but that's because a guy I know likes dudes like that.<p>More Hobbit flicks after the Blade series continues, besides Snipes needs to get out of hock somehow, and I know for damn sure there's no 'Money Train 2' in the works.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Darth Macchio....

    by BilboRing

    I had ice cold mead at the NY Ren Fair amd it was delicious. But it tasted nothing like beer at all. It's a honey wine type of thing. No carbination at all either. What kind of geek are you? I smell a narc.

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 11:45 a.m. CST


    by Darth Macchio

    I know what mead point is they didn't! Haha! (but the turkey legs were suprisingly good)

  • Jan. 31, 2008, 9:16 p.m. CST

    To set the record straight Xiphos...

    by Skyway Moaters

    The silly chard coal bloak has got his self ternt aroun as useral... Lion's Gate Films optioned the rights to Hoban's novel: "Riddley Walker". Pre production and production design work was complete, Mr. Hoban was collaborating on the script. Then Lion's Gate went quiet, and wouldn't return Hoban's or his agent's calls. Six weeks pass, and "Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome" goes into pre-production with a script smelling heavily of "Riddley Walker". All the stuff with the lost kids and "Captain Walker", down to some of the idiosyncratic dialect, is lifted straight from ideas in the book. The character "Aunty", played by Tina Turner is also derived from the novel. It is the 'personification of death' in the myth tradition of the tribal people that feature in the tale, some 2800 years on from some sort of apocalyptic disaster that blasted humanity back to an iron age. When you die you have to "do the juicy" with yer Aunty. She has: stoan boans and iron tits and teef betwean her legs. No bloak (excepting for 1) has ever got on top of Aunty. She crushes you down wif her stoan boans and iron tits and then finishes the job with her lower set of teef., and she has an iron willy for the laydies... Riddley Walker is imho, is a truly great novel, an important 20th century work. Hoban is on a par with Vonnegut, Dick, Matheson, Bradbury, Burgess etc. Some have compared RW to "Huck Finn". Go ahead and Google it, you know you want to

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 10 a.m. CST

    Someone clarify please...

    by Dan Halen

    The first film will be The Hobbit and the second film will be a kind of bridge/prequel to Lord of The Rings?

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 12:17 p.m. CST

    That's right Dan halen...

    by morGoth

    ...there was a period between the return of Bilbo to Bag End and Gandalf showing up at his door again that saw the rise of Sauron. He was only a mysterious figure then, the Necromancer, and it was during this period that Gandalf sorta outed him to the White Council. This council was composed of Galadriel, Elrond, Gandalf, Saruman and some other lesser know high muckity-mucks. There's a lot there that can serve as the basis for a bridge/prequel to LoTR movie. I'm extremely excited at the prospect, myself.<p> I don't think the screenwriters need to delve into the Silmarillion, however. It would be extremely cool if they touched on it though. It is, after all, the backstory to the Hobbit as well. Tolkien refers to it when Gandalf is telling about the blades (Sting, Glamdring and Orcrist) they find in the trolls hideaway. "They are from lost Gondolin!" or something like that. "The glimpse of a hidden vista." as Tolkien used to say.

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 12:38 p.m. CST

    official announcement about Del Toro and Hobbit!!!

    by mrwho

    At the French premiere of The Orphanage, it was announced that he's officially the director of the Hobbit movies. Link is,,2250245,00.html I'm really excited about this

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 1:33 p.m. CST

    One is entitled "No Time for Gullom"

    by C.K. Lamoo

    or "Ring Me Later"

  • Feb. 1, 2008, 4:21 p.m. CST

    if i were peter jackson

    by redsded

    i would direct these myself, cast doug jones as the elf king of mirkwood, bring back as many lordoftheringers as i could, and make the second movie all about aragorn's backstory.

  • Feb. 2, 2008, 1:27 a.m. CST

    OK. What did I miss?

    by Jaka

    Have they announced what they would be doing for the second film someplace? Or what material they're going to pull from? I didn't think that was fully decided yet.

  • Feb. 2, 2008, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Right you are KurtLockwood...

    by morGoth

    ...what I should've said was: The bridge movie can include things that happen during the events in the Hobbit but are only referenced in the book proper. Thank'ee kindly for keeping me on the up-n-up.

  • Feb. 2, 2008, 1:30 p.m. CST

    As for the extra material...

    by morGoth

    ...I agree with redsded. Just focusing on Aragorn's story alone would be fantastic movie material. I think Aragorn and Gandalf meeting for the first time would be good backstory for LoTR (the movie). Aragorn fighting along side Thengel's Rohirrim and, of course, serving under Ecthelion II as Thorongil would serve as backstory for Denethor (and subsequently Boromir's) jealous attitude towards him. This was seen but never fully explained in Fellowship. The Nazgul re-occupying Gol Duldur could be built into yet another chance to show another battle (any occasion to see those snotty Elves getting their asses kicked is worth it :). We could even get something showing the Dwarves awakening Durin's Bane and the origin of the Balrog of Moria. Hey, what about Gollum meeting Shelob? O 'eck, there's plenty of stuff for a movie that would lead in nicely with the existing movies.

  • Feb. 2, 2008, 1:40 p.m. CST


    by morGoth

    Check out Quint's post where he interviews PJ (#30085) about his projects after Kong. This is an excerpt: "We think the two film idea is really smart. One of the problems with The Hobbit is that it is a fairly simple kids story, and doesn't really feel like The Lord of the Rings. Tonally I mean. It's always may be a little worried, but with two films that kinda gets easier. It allows for more complexity. At that implied stuff with Gandalf and the White Council and the return of Sauron could be fully explored." Phew, I hope that grammar murdering was a result of Quint's transposition (or tape recorder batteries running down!) but it gives you an idea of where the bridge movie subject material comes from.

  • Feb. 2, 2008, 8:44 p.m. CST


    by Jaka

    OK, I vaguely remember that. I guess that works, but I still don't see two films there. In my dream film world they would do two Tolkien anthologies. Maybe put a couple or three short stories in front of The Hobbit in the first film, end on a cliffhanger, start the second film from that point and finish The Hobbit, followed by a couple or three more short stories at the end. I know, I know - never happen. Like I said, it's my dream. Otherwise I would be much more happy with a Hobbit film, and then another feature length film of some other story, or maybe a second film that's more of an anthology. But really, it would make more sense to go with the anthology first in that case. Maybe cover some of the creation stories. Because as has been mentioned, they're pretty damn imaginative, and they could be told visually in a much more easilly understandable way than the way they read in the Silmarillion. Anywho, I'm still more excited about this Talk Back than I am the actual films, because PJ should be directing them, damn it.

  • Feb. 3, 2008, 7:52 p.m. CST

    I can hear it now KL...

    by morGoth

    ...Oh my gawd! MORE walking?!! Yeah, that would be cool...Aragorn putting the fear o' Westernesse into old Slinker. Yeah, I'm with you Jaka but it just doesn't appear that PJ directing the Hobbit isn't in the cards. Ah well, maybe he'll option Children of Hurin though I still think the Tale of Beren and Luthien would be a better source for a flick from Sil. Geez, I'm such a Tolkien whore!

  • Feb. 3, 2008, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Curse this no editing of post!

    by morGoth

    Forgot the space and I meant "...doesn't appear that PJ directing the Hobbit IS in the cards." Confuscate and bother this site!

  • Feb. 4, 2008, 10:38 p.m. CST


    by Jaka

    S'all good. I speak TalkBack. lol Yes! The Beren and Luthien tale, or any other "history" alluded to in the films (even the EE) would be incredible! And I totally understand being a Tolkien whore. Heh.