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Exclusive: Who will be DUKE in G.I. JOE? AICN knows - and knowing is half the battle!
Hey folks, Harry here - I heard today that tomorrow afternoon a press release will be going out to the trades and various outlets that a certain young actor had been cast as DUKE - leader of our beloved G.I. JOE crew. Now - I'm not entirely sure about this actor - mainly because he hasn't really been given this sort of exposure - and this sort of character responsibility before - at least in a movie we've seen yet.
DUKE will be played by Channing Tatum, a 27 year old actor from Alabama. He was an uncredited "Boy in church scene" in Spielberg's WAR OF THE WORLDS - you might remember him from SHE'S THE MAN or STEP UP. His best work to date was in A GUIDE TO RECOGNIZING YOUR SAINTS.
Coming up - I've heard really strong word on his performance in Kimberly Peirce's STOP LOSS, coming up this March 28th. He's also headling a film with Terrence Howard and Luis Guzman for ROGUE PICTURES called FIGHTING. He's a young actor that is on the rise. Now I figure the biggest complaint that's coming is that he's just 27 - and that Duke should be played by a more battle-tested aged badass.
Well, we'll see him get battle-tested in STOP LOSS - but whether you love it or hate it - he's going to be DUKE for Stephen Sommer's G.I.JOE!!!
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Jan 27, 2008 10:50:25 PM CST
Hey, 'Unknown' Star Worked For Superman Returns! Right? Guys?
by georges garvaren
Assholes.
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And that's all I have to say about that.
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With this and Justice LEague,I fully expect any and all future movies to be cast entirley with babies. 27 is indeed too young to play Duke,but Hollywood could care less. I'm sure thsi will suck at least as bad as if not worse than TRANSFORMERS.
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Now THAT would be a hell of a movie. Duke Nukem throwing money at strippers and shooting aliens while spitting out one-liners.
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channing asshole anyway. I keep thinking he's stockard channing...
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Those episodes got pretty nasty. Will the Blue/Red bullets be in the movie like the cartoon? That would be sad if they cut that. Will Snake take his mask off? So many questions. I'm slightly excited.
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Ok, guys how do we take a beloved, almost sure thing franchise and rape it raw?
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I betcha!
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good.
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Shipwreck better watch his back er... stern door
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Let's all pretend this isn't being made.
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G.I. Joe:
They didn't ask. He didn't tell. -
That wanna be wigger from Step up? Count me in, i'm sold.
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This news can kiss my black ass too. Screw this. Make a Thundarr movie.
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That sentence makes about as much sense as this announcement.
Now let's get that closet case numb nut from High School Musical to play Cobra Commander and call this one a gay.
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I'm voting for Cobra to kill 'em all.
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Sgt Slaughter must bash Nemesis Enforcer and say that.
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I'd say that proof ironclad.
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Now cast Harry as Cobra Commander.
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gives me the aches thinking about it...
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A...Number One!!
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is this casting our new flames on Optimus? Channing is flaming? Fits to me.
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According to Variety, Tatum will play Pretty Boy Floyd in Michael Mann's Public Enemies. So is Tatum doing both movies then?
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Flint > Duke
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I always pictured Duke being in his 40s. Then again, I also had father issues.
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After all this is the same town that turn Paris Hilton into a household name, and routinely gives blank checks to any director who can produce even ONE hit show/film.
The days when directors would try to take the material to a higher level are OVER! Who needs character development, story or a hint of artistry when all it takes to appeal to the typical American are some tits and CGI explosions.
Flames on Optimus, Shia as Indy Jr. , and O.C. Trek are just the beginning my friends. -
I always like Flint better. But I have a hard time seeing Duke played by someone under the age of 35
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Almost too quiet on that production...no hype...no early marketing...very very quiet...
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Jan 27, 2008 11:34:44 PM CST
Viggo was old enough for Lord of the Rings
by stereotypical evil archer
Who cares if Tatum is right or wrong for the part; it's the Sommers Version, it won't be epic, it will be silly... then again Sommers may do something right for a change. Hopefully they make any comic relief very slight and not over the top like the other Sommers' movies.
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..and the constant reruns of their Mayan Prophecy specials, I hope to god, I at least get to see ONE of my all-time favorite properties get a decent adaptation before Dec.21,2012. But the way it's lookin'...
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i hope he can pull off something special with this film, though the project itself sounds horrid.
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This was the last straw. Fuck this. Is he going to do some samba number with Cobra Commander??
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tatum can act. he was by far the best thing about Step Up, and he was flat out awesome in A Guide To Recognizing Your Saints. not that this is making me want to see GI Joe, but that news about Public Enemies is awesome, I'm even more jazzed for that movie.
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what a gay ass name, lol.
sorry that was insensitive, but seriously
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Sommers was announced as the director. Yup, it's Michael Bay all over again. Anyone who is still holding out hope, get a life.
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...'nuff said
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On the internet. Say what you will. This dude is famous for his fucking underwear ads. Terrible.
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After seeing what they did to Transformers, something that for all intents and purposes should be easy to adapt, I have absolutely no faith in G.I. Joe, which from the ground up would be ridiculously hard to adapt. I wish this project wasn't happening.
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be high art. Ever watch the cartoon?
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I want to see pictures...want to hear about plot details...want to see what kind of world they're going for. Is it going to take place in a realistic world, a kind of half futuristic one...I don't think this is going to be good, but I'm curious as hell to see how they expect to pull this off...
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Duke was a later field commander they tacked on to sell a new action figure with a fancier uniform.
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Channing.............Channing???
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It's a movie based on a militaristic toy commercial from the '80s, it's from the director of the fucking MUMMY who has never and will never direct a good movie, but only now that they hired a guy whose name you think "sounds gay" do you decide it might not be a good movie? Nice detective skills there, Columbo.
If you grew up on this shit then you are, by definition, an adult. Right? So my question is, #1, what the fuck is wrong with you fucking people? And #2, isn't it possible that not EVERYTHING from your childhood is sacred? That just because you were babysat by some moronic garbage that some assholes shoveled onto a TV screen to brainwash you into buying toys when you were the right age to be susceptible to it does not mean that you have to give a shit that the movie version does not star Marlon Brando? Is it blasphemous to say that maybe some badly drawn army men shooting lasers at each other so that you will pressure your parents into buying consumer products is not necessarily your generation's equivalent of Greek myths? Or that if it is maybe there should be some sort of generation-wide class action lawsuit against the culture for fucking you over so bad?
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It sounds low budget, but Transformers sure didn't have any well known actors in it aside from newcomer Shia, and John Voight. All the money went to the visuals.
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Shitting on this movie before it's even in filming. This is actually good news, but you know, the people who talk in these talkbacks are 99.9% all idiots. It's like saying Harry is being paid by studios to like specific movies, or saying audiences will be confused with the casting of Justice League - seriously, do you all drink turpentine in your lemonade?
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Vern is right.
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http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Buy_all_our_playsets_and_toys%21%21
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http://www.homestarrunner.com/cheatcommando.html
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Jan 28, 2008 1:36:21 AM CST
"The consumer's don't WANT a format war"
by guy who got a headache and accidentally
Somewhat off topic here, but you talkbackers are routinely full of shit. "The consumer's don't WANT a format war, us SMART guys are going to just stick to dvd, etc., etc." That's what a fuckton of you armchair analyst jackasses were always saying in Harry's dvd columns. Well I just read how the HD format is eclipsing the sales seen by dvds in it's early years. You people don't have the first fucking clue about anything. You were excited about a fucking GI JOE movie starring Marlon Wayans. GI FUCKING JOE. Hearing shit like "Duke doesn't matter. Hawk is the real leader. The had BETTER get Wolverine or whoever right as the munitions expert though, that will be key," it's embarassing coming from what I assume are grown men like yourself. Yeah, I'm sure they're putting a lot of thought into this one. You embarass me and I actually live in my real mothers actual fucking basement.
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Stallone for Flint, or Hawk, or ,hell, the guy that started it all, G.I. Joe himself. Kung-fu grip, Muthafucka.
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I thought HD was pretty much over?
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It's not that properties like G.I.Joe, or X-men, or even Transformers are sacred, it's just, their adaptations could be so much more, and keep each of their respected studios (and I use that term lightly with Fox) raking in the dough for decades to come, if only they'd take a little time developing the characters, and stories, and shooting for something longterm rather than a halfassed job now and try to salvage it if it's a hit later mentality. And yes, despite what you may believe there is plenty of material for each of those licenses (especially Joe and X-men) to keep interest alive...if only handled right. But obviously the studios are employed by a lot of people like yourself. I'm tired of big budget shitfests based on things I know deserve better. I'm tired of people writing off something because the "movie sucked". I'm not stressing it, but I sure as hell am disappointed that this is the way it is, and probably will be.
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Stallone for Flint, or Hawk, or ,hell, the guy that started it all, G.I. Joe himself. Kung-fu grip, Muthafucka.
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I'm not trying to be irritating. sorry for double post.
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Or Dennis Quaid for Dukc.
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I thought this whole thing sounded like a stupid idea from the beginning. It'll probably suck just as much as Transformers and everyone will talk about how much they geeked out to it despite Sommers directing it.
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First off, Marlon Brando's dead. Sorry to break that to you, perhaps as someone who covers movies on a movie site you should have been upto date on that a little bit better. Perhaps if you would have said George Clooney you might have been a little closer to the mark.
Secondly, The television medium is not a babysitter. Many of the fans of those classic 80's cartoons were often more active than 90% of the kids growing up today with thier PSP's, PS3'a and xbox360's. I know you can sugar coat the WII as active, but lets fact it you're inside your house doing jack-all but moving your arms around.
Thirdly and most importantly, This is no different that reading a *BOOK* and getting a description of one of the leading characters from the pages that paints a vivid image as to what he\she should look like and knowing that a seasoned veteran with a tough as grit voice and crow's feet eyes is leading this elite band of covert-op soldiers. Instead you have a 27 year old kid who's last big lead was a movie called STEP UP where he convincingly played a TEENAGER. Mis-cast is the word to be used here, you can mock the source, you can mock the directors past efforts but the bottom line is if fan's are upset there is a reason don't try to act like you're on some high-horse just because you got a hard on from the guy or this site got some sort of special inside line to the production. The movie isn't done yet and I'm not going to judge but I certainly am entitled to bitch when you hear shit like this, and who cobra commander is supposed to be in the script. Considering these forums have had an impact on the development of rebirth of the superman movie (remember the script leak that had Luthor as Superman's UNCLE!) I think you should shut it, instead of belittling the fans who actually faithfully watched the TV show and bought the merchandise and might be the KEY audiance to this film NOT going direct to DVD. -
Did any of you guys hear about why the original G.I.Joe: The Movie animated film had that weird ending? Hasbro and Marvel/Sunbow got alot of crap from parents about Optimus Prime dying in Transformers: The Movie, and they didn't want to paint themselves into the same corner with an unpopular leader (like Rodimus Prime). The animation was done, so they re-recorded some dialog and threw it into the end, which is why they are all waving to an offscreen recovered Duke. True. I herd it 0n teh 1nt3rwebz.
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I remember my mom was watching it with me just because Don Johnson did the voice of one of the characters.
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Vern is only half right on this one...while I think that this film is a bad idea, it is not because it is raping more of my shildhood, it is because it is just GAY. With all the great stories floating around on the intertubes, why does Hollywood need to make a 150 million dollar toy commerical?
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You want a 2 girls one cup movie?
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Fred Thompson for president...IN GI JOE!
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HD formats are outselling the early years of DVD because when DVDs first hit they were 30 to 70 dollars depending on the title at a time when the DVD players was averaging about 1,000 dollars to buy. HD-DVD and Blu-Ray have been steadily 30 bucks since they launched and the Blu-Ray and HD players have seen far swifter price drops than the original DVD player ever did. Factor in the PS3 owners and the 360 owners and that consoles meager selling HD periph. and you've got more people with access to the technology faster than with how DVD got it's start. But the "war" won't matter much in a couple years when everyone has terabyte set top boxes and HD films will be downloaded with no concern for format anyway.
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It would be kinda cool to see him in that role as a tie in to the Transformers movie.
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..was the hardened bad-ass. I always thought Hawk was that role. Duke was always the hot-headed, pretty idiot to me. I figured you guys would be more outraged by the casting of Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Cobra Commander than this.
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Wigger.
Do not want.
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jumps off cliff.
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Well I don't know, you guys are the experts but it seems to me there is a difference between some of those names you're throwing out there. I enjoyed the X-Men movies so I can clearly see how those are good stories and characters with interesting layers and things to say about the world in addition to naked blue skinned asskickers, etc. But GI Joe from what I remember was a bunch of badly drawn army guys talking real slow and slowly parachuting and shooting lasers at each other and then at the end I believe they make a joke and laugh and then they tell you not to stick a fork in the electrical outlets or play inside a refrigerator. I bet if you interviewed the people who made that show they would openly state that it was designed to sell toys to you and that there was little effort put into it actually being good. And if there was effort put into it maybe there was no talent to back it up. Is my guess. But you're the experts.
See with the transformers I think I get it, because robots are fun and you don't see them done in too many movies. But soldiers shooting lasers at each other? I don't get it I guess.
But more importantly, you guys gotta learn the auteur theory. Let's say GI JOE doesn't have to be moronic garbage. Far-fetched, but I'll go along with it. Still, you saw that they signed up Stephen Sommers to direct it. You know who he is. You've seen some of his movies. So give up, dude. The guy is not gonna elevate the material. You can't teach a fish to type, so don't spend the next year hoping a fish writes a novel. I'm tired of seeing your hearts broken over shit like this.
Still, it's good to hear that a television is not a babysitter, but in fact a valuable member of the family. As for Marlon Brando, you could've broke the news to me in a little more sensitive manner, you fucking monster. Didn't your commercials raise you better than that?
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at least the first one. And the kid got moves. hahaha. As for step up 2, well... it's probably best he stayed out of that.
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The movie sounds like it's going to turn into a joke. This is going to be made for the kids today not you kids that grew up and want more intensity in their action movies.
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Stockard Channing will play Lady Jayne and Carol Channing will play Zartan. It's true. I read it on an IMDb message board.
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"Yo, yo, yo, what up Cobra Commander? The Joe crew gonna bust up yo grill while you is chillaxin' in the Terrordome. Wigger Force go!"
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I think they should get Titan from the new American Gladiators to play Duke, that would be so ace.
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Cobra - Evil terrorist organization.
The JOES - Ultra patriotic group of diverse AMERICAN soldiers from different backgrounds defending the US from Cobra. A REAL AMERICAN HERO.
For GI Joe to work all they need to do is make it as jingoistic as possible. People should walk out of theater trying to find an American flag to kiss. It should Red, White and Blue and hated by every hippie-wanna-be liberal movie reviewer in the country. That's all it will take to make it a blockbuster.
Hell, how many 80's movies put out in the US were major worldwide blockbusters without ever having to have a French character in it? Yeesh! -
Not true about him never having made a good film- Deep Rising is deleriously awful, and at times quite brilliant. This will, however, be shit- and I struggle to give a fuck about it anyway. What I give more of a fuck about is the fact that shit like GIJoe and Transformers suck up money on a regular basis from morons that should know better.
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I know it's hard to believe, but the comics had moments of 100% badassness. They featured real weapons, real equipment, honest to God deep characters and insane plot twists...(the death of Cobra commander, someone actually stole the suit and pretended to be Cobra Commander for a long time!) I hardly ever watched the cartoon, but that comic is still impressive today...lots of fond memories :-)I was always a fan of the cool ninja shit.
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Jan 28, 2008 5:22:48 AM CST
I couldn't conceivably care less about GI Schmoe casting...
by jivetalker
...sincde this movie is clearly going to be a giant turd anyway, and I generally try to avoid giant turds. But since everyone's dissing Tatum, I feel the need to defend him since he was monstrously good in A GUIDE TO RECOGNIZING YOUR SAINTS. I think it's funny that everyone's assuming he will "ruin" GI Joe when really it's probably the other way around- he's just starting to prove himself as an actor and he really ought to run far, far away from this hot mess before it destroys any credibility he has managed to build back after that stupid ballet movie. He really is a good young actor and he should stick to solid shit like "Stop-Loss." Which, coincidentally, also stars Joe Gordon-Levitt, who coincidentally should also should run the hell away from this GI Joe nonsense. Seriously, what are these dudes thinking? Is this some form of "serious young actor" hara-kiri?
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Come on... Is the same casting director for JLA (RIP) casting GI Joe?
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Now that would be great casting. Oh, and the comics were the best! Snake Eyes kicked ass big time!
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All of this negativity is fucking ridiculous. I remember when it was first announced that Heath Ledger would be playing the Joker. Everybody was all "Fuck that, he sucks, movie is ruined". Based on the trailer everybody turned around and said "wow, looks awesome...cant wait". Yeah Stephen Sommers might not be the best director on the planet, and Channing Tatum might not be an obvious choice for the role, but just maybe he will pull it off. What a bunch of fucking crybaby geeks.
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Nice work, Vern. But despite all your really well-written and equally well-thought-out points, I still find GI JOE sacred, although it may be more for the comic book than the "badly drawn" TV series. I am still disheartened at the apparent half-assedness of the movie. :(
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That would be totally awesome. Good call, sky.
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WTF?
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The difference is that Ledger didn't say in a press release tht he was going to make the Joker kid friendly and more like Bozo than John Wayne Gacey. We have already heard reports that GI Joe will be "international" and less US-centric. Blah!
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This movie will be total crap. The leader of this elite military unit is this guy? Fuck me in the goat ass!
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same guy was also one of Willis' squad members in Tears of the Sun. The dude was tough and funny. I should stop being lazy and look him up on IMDB
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You have made my day!
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Thank you.
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Then the rest of the Joes must be like nursery school kids. This will suck. Next, please.
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If he can do an American accent (I'm sure he could), he would be awesome Duke.
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And I should know.
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...one of those metrosexual uni-horn haircuts I'll slit my own throat. And that's IF I even see the movie, which looks more remote with each bit of news I read about it. Hell, they should set this movie in the 80s, when being a Joe mattered and things were more black and white. Nowadays, I'm not convinced that we (U.S.) are the good guys anymore.
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"Channing Tatum," should have precluded his ever being cast. His name may has well be "Lance Taylor Dakota Suckadick."
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Why is this site posting news about GI Joe if no one is supposed to care enough to leave comments about how they feel about the news? Besides, don't you guys get paid according to the number of comments (that's what I thought, might be wrong)?
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Cobra Commander's Day Off (parts 1 through 5)
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On GI: Joe and the Transformers comparisons : Only here is Transformers considered a bad movie. Everywhere else people loved it. One of the surprise success stories of the year. $300+ million. I know money doesn't equal quality, but it's a good example of showing what people want, lest you forget this is a business. If GI Joe is half as successful and good as Transformers was, it'll be worth it.
2. It's a damn toy movie just like Transformers. Nobody cares about the characters that only existed in the cartoons that were last popular well over 20 years ago.
3. On the Blu-ray thing, Blu-ray will be around for a long time, probably not surpassing DVD but perhaps equaling it. The set-top boxes and direct download services that everyone says is the next step will never meet widespread popularity. People still want to own things, phyiscal media in their hands. And the bandwidth will not be there in this country for any kind of mass HD downloads other than a little bit here and a little bit there. Ten years from now might be a different story, but for this generation, Blu-Ray is the future, especially now that it's won the HD war.
Lastly on the casting...the only frame of reference for Duke for the audience for this is their toys. They don't care how old he is. It's not a Superman situation where he's always been portrayed as someone in their 30's. This character has never been portrayed in live action at all. just dye his hair and cut him loose.
The end.
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Those are funny. I wish they were all one video, though
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Seriously man, F this noise!
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they don't make badasses like they used to
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but I'm just saying they don't make them like they used to :P
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Shout out to my fellow Alabamian (anybody know which part of Bama he's from?) and good luck. This movie smells of shit thus far and I doubt I buy a ticket to the funeral pyre of another childhood favorite. Thank God we atleast have Dark Knight,Incredible Hulk and Iron man coming at us soon with great cast and directors. Anybody know if SuperMax is ever going to be made?
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Let's hope. it'll sure make them less miserable than the casting news has been.
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Lady Jaye and Scarlett. But who am I to suggest decent casting? At least they didn't pick Michael Rappaport for Duke (whic I woulda expected based on the Marlon Wayans casting)
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That's right! I said it! I played with both the tall "action figures" (I think they were like 11" or so) as well as the little ones the cartoon was directed towards. Of course, when we played, people actually got fucking killed. But in that dumbass cartoon...no matter what...the show went out of its way to show the viewer that no one was killed...that the Cobra pilot flying that helicopter parachuted out to safety at the last second. So, nobody ever got killed. In the war between the World Terrorist Orgaization known as COBRA and the elite fighting force known as GI JOE. Nobody ever died. Oh yeah, the same thing happens in paint ball. Nobody dies. But I don't consider guys holding pain ball guns as terrorists, much less consider 10 or 12 of them as a 'terrorist organization'. The toys were kick ass no doubt...kung fu grip...brilliant..but the cartoon was ass. Plus I don't think there's much of an international market for this at the current time...bad casting or not...this seems like a doomed project.
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That's all.
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This is going to make "Phantom Menace" look like "Godfather Part II".
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Crap! ISN'T there any 'studs' in Hollywood left? We need Heros who look 'real' (at least that's what we're used to!) God, cast HHH or Batista or ANYone who looks like that they can kick some ass and at least have the strength to pull a trigger and not the button on a compact to check their makup. Damn. - Not even wasting my Repulsors on this one... I'm just walking away... head down and shaking it back and forth. Waytogo Hollowood. -Stark
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actually Dolph Lundgren would make a great Duke. Hey Cobra Commander "you will lose." Hey Destro, "I must break you."
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This movie is made to parody the format wars. The comics from the Eighties were very good and should be used as source for the movie. I support talkbackers who get worked up over this movie. Yet I want the Screaming Al Pacino for Cobra Commander.
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You have to be pretty bad ass to make E-8 at 27. although I'm pretty sure there going to change his rank or not mention it at all. Every time I thick of Duke, I see a Robert Redford type playing him. Hell I wouldnt mind if Robert played him, it would be a bit more realistic than Tatum, who looks like he just graduated bootcamp.Heres my casting choices - General Hawk=Robert Forster. Duke=Redford or Sean Bean, Flint=Josh Brolin, Doc=Andre Braugher, Lady Jane=Radha Mitchell, Ghong Ho=Steve Austin, Alpine=Colin Salmon, Wild Bill=Chuck Norris, Spirit= Adam Beach, Sailor=John Leguizamo, Cobra Commander=Gary Oldman, Destro=Laurence Fishburne, Baroness=Tilda Swinton, Tomax and Zamot= Gary and Martin Kemp.
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What a joke, GI Blows
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I think I will start accepting crap from the studios. In fact i hope for it. Especially if it's based on a property that isn't important to me. I'm a little young to have grown up with Speed Racer, ergo I think if it's garbage that any fans of it should just keep their fucking yaps shut, cause really it's just an over the top Japanese cartoon where people drive around and yell stuff. I mean it's a CARTOON for God sakes. Cartoons are stupid and only get made so people can make toys out of them. So if they mean something to you, their corporate sponsorship somehow completely negates any of your feelings. Let's ignore that a lot of these "licenses to print money" had character with well written back stories and well written comic books that continue to this very day, because it's just a stupid cartoon, and most of you live in your parents basement anyway. Oh and guess what, it's Stephen Sommers. So now that you KNOW the movie is going to be crap you should just accept that and be quiet. Happy event hat someone is making you C-A-R-T-O-O-N into a major Hollywood picture film. This argument is completely logical. Nope, no logic flaws at all......I expect more from you Vern
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Zack Efron as Cobra Commander?
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I played with my GI Joes (the tall, old ones) and tied one of them to a lamp in our living room. Because he was, ya know, a prisoner captured by the enemy. Well, I left him there for a while, and when I came back the light bulb had burned a bald spot into the back of his hair. It's one of my earliest, fondest childhood memorieseseszz.
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There's no way they would cover up that beautiful, beautiful face with a hood or mask. But I catch your point. Zach will instead be cast as Flint, and he will have no interest in women whatsoever. Yo, Joe--we're all in this together!!
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You are right, it is a MUST to include the red / blue lasers. And it is equally imperative that no one actually gets it by them, no matter how intense the battle. The lasers flash and just go, "bee-yew, bee-yew, bee-yew!" and no one ever gets hit or dies. Perhaps someone should introduce them to this thing the real world calls "bullets." BEEYEW! BEEYEW! BEEYEW!
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A young baroness I can get, even a young black ripcord, nothing wrong with mixing things up, Roadblock's not Roadblock, eh. But this is goddamn Duke. This is the Master Sarge this is the head field honcho and top kick of an elite SF group. In real life a guy like that'd be in his mid thirties minimum, to go that young is beyond unrealistic. I know its just GI Joe, but it needs some grounding in the real world you know. Top that with the fact Superhero Flix recently ran a story that Joseph Gordon-Levitt may be Cobra Commander, who of course is a former Joe in this treatment, that just breaks the bank for me. They used the old cliche that the greatest threat to America is one of its own SF guys gone bad, and as a former military man myself I have always found that insulting anyway because most guys who do that job don't become mercs or crazy; they want nothing to do with fighting or war again after they have voluntarily served, usually several years just to get to the point of becoming an operator and under gone training so tough that it make a grown man weep just to get their SF standing let alone a group like Delta, that a real Joe team would more than likely draw from. (sigh) This just sucks. I was a GI Joebaby as a kid. I pick on people that post things like you ruined my childhood all the time, but they certainly aren't respecting mine, or the service of people who fill roles like this in real life.
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Wow...So, this talkback's "Exclusive: Who will be DUKE in G.I. JOE? AICN knows - and knowing is half the battle!" - Douche awards goes to...:
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you're deffinately going to hell...wow.
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The entire constituency of G.I. Joe will be played by the freshman class of St. Ignatius Boys College Prep High School. Uniforms by Abercrombie-Fitch, hair by Vidal Sassoon. Anal lube by KY.
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The people who liked Transformers are the idiot American public, the same people who made Norbit a success. Nuff said aboutt hat. Second of all while Transformers and Joe are originally cartoons, they also have comic books with years of well written history, in Joe's case by Larry Hama, who is fantastic. Just because you didn't read them, doesn't mean they don't exist or aren't important. So treat this project like you would any other comic book movie that's being bastardized. Also, SUperman hasn't always been portrayed by someone in their 30's. Christopher Reeve, thus far the definitive live action Suerman, was in his 20's when first cast. So know what you are talking about before you comment.
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I was wondering how long it would take before some moron decided to take a shot at the fans and dismiss the property as a shit based on a toy commercial. (congrats on the startling amount of research and accuracy there, Vern) Transformers, here we go again eh? Well, as someone who grew up reading the COMICS, including the excellent 'GI Joe-Special Missions' spin-off series, I'd at least like to see a good movie based on this property. But apparently it's sacrilege to ask for a good movie based on an existing property here (unless it concerns Lord of the Rings). Harry Potter is a kids property, but WB is knocking that out of the park, so why can't we have a decent PG-13 (no, you dont need to see blood and guts to have a good action/war movie) with fun and colorful characters that sit somewhere between Megaforce (yes, it's a shit movie, but the characters and vehicles are pretty close to the Joe team) and the Space Marines in Aliens. And I hope the suits casting this dont think that having a young Duke will pull in the kids, because I remember being a kid and it was never the pretty boy teens you wanted to grow up and be (or pretend to be when you were playing with your friends), it was the manly Han Solo/Indiana Jones types. Kids don't like Robin, they want to be Batman. And thanks to having a pre-teen daughter, I've actually seen most of the movies this guy has been in and he doesnt exactly light up the screen with charisma. I dont even care about the backlash regarding Marlon Wayans being in this because I can see his potential as a actor...I just think he should have been cast as the wise-cracking Stalker from the early issues of the comics. Anyway, enough of a rant. I just think that people here (especially the movie review crew) should stop trying to patronize the fans for having an opinion on a property they feel strongly about, when they (the patronizers) are clearly talking out of their asses when it comes to knowing anything about the property.
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I don't lament the Joe movie for the cartoon, I like a lot of guys my age watched the cartoon as kids and tweens, but the show didn't win me over it was like killer said above; the comic. Larry Hamma made Snakes-Eyes the ultimate badass. I like this stuff mostly for him. The toys were the begining, every character statred as a toy then they went to Hamma to make that toy alive. He gave them their back story, he gave them their roles and attitudes in the books and did a damn fine job. I mean how many writers can be handed a toy design and then make that character and intigrate it into an ongoing story and run with it. He did. The cartoon was the last stop on the train, though admittedly the most widely known next to the toys themselves. But I feel like the diservice is mainly being done to the comic which was always one of my favorite things as a kid. In fairness Ray Park is a great choice for Snake_Eyes, I even like actor they chose for Storm Shadow, he's got a good look. I just really wish they all would have been around Ray's age. Think of watching Black Hawk Down thr Rangers are all younger kids Mid 20's maybe on the first or second reinlistment, but the Delat guys and were much older comparitively mid to late 30's some in their 40's. That is the range and skill level a Joe should be and that's how Larry wrote them. Haggered vets. Real Snake eaters. I want that damnit. Not Abercrombie models. the only ones I see that with are the casting of Heavy Duty and Snake-Eyes.
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To quote Indy, 'It't not the years, it's the milage.' Yes, some 20-somethings can look mature and grown up. Chris Reeves was 24 when cast as Superman, but he looked like a 'man' then. It's kind of like the situation when casting Superbad...Seth Rogan wrote the part for himself, but as he put it, he 'aged really bad' and couldn't pass himself off as a teenager anymore. However, the guy (cant remember the name right now) who ended up playing the part was just a year or two younger than Rogan. There's a reason why this guy playing Duke still gets cast in teen movies...he just doesnt look like an adult.
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Top, First Shirt, call him what you will, no way he's some young punk. Young punks don't even know what an E-8 is.
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People who have read and enjoyed comics are bashing GIJoe and Transformers???
First off, GIJoe has been around long before the cartoon arrived(it was Cobra that was new and created as the antagonists) Second, anyone who criticizes either of said toons who, as a child or adult reads comics about men in colorful underwear with superpowers, or a guy in a black rubber mask who beats up a homicidal clown is HIGH. HIGHHIGHHIGH. What was that old adage about the pot and kettle??
I don't get this whole "My childhood heroes and mythology is cooler than yours" schtick.
Were these toons 'toy commercials'. DUH. Here's your cookie. Now having said that, let me remind its critics of something: Spiderman, Superman, Batman, et al. were created to sell comic books. All these toons of the 80s did was take that concept and go pro. It does NOT make them any less cool or any less beloved than any comic book/manga/video game characters that other people love. It's patently disengenous to hate on someone else's geek mythology as being 'silly' or 'ridiculous' when if you look at any comic book character, that can apply as well.
Try repeating the story of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles to yourself and see if you don't think it's just a little whack. Applying real world logic to any of these mythologies defeats the whole purpose. It's FANTASY. Designed to get us to buy into it(some more than others) and to sell something. Be it comics, toys, or whatever. To try and pass ANY of this popculture as something greater defeats the purpose. Enjoy it and stop complaining. Thank you.
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I don't know what an E-8 is. Is it like a V-8?
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In the military there are three types: enlisted men, warrant officer (basically helipopter pilots) and officers. When you first join you start out ususally (exceptions for college credits but) as E-1, WO-1, or O-1. The grade tells us Duke is an enlisted man. He is not an officer. He works for a living. In the Army, E-1 is a private, E-2 is private (still a private, but a little more rank and money), E-3 is private first class. E-4 can be either specialist or corporal, E5 is Sgt. E-6 is staff sgt. E-7 is Sgt. First Class, and E-8 is First Sgt. Bottom line is no twenty something kids flies through the ranks like that. If he joined at 18 he would have to advance almost every year. I've been out for a while, and would have to look up any promotion information on the military websites, but bottom line is it ain't happening. No twenty something could be a First Sergeant. Thus endeth the lesson.
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You'd be right if they were fashiong this movie off of the cartoon, but they are using the comics. That being said, the casting on this is mostly horrendous so far--and Steven Sommers as director isn't promising. Stuart Beattie on Script, however, does offer some hope. Some.
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So there either going to change his rank or assume were not to bright and keep it the same. Just to hit home how stupid that is, look at the movie Platoon, Willem Dafoe and Tom Baringer characters were Sargents=E-5 if i'm not mistaken. So imagine Tatum being in charge of those two. Come on Hollywood were just asking for a little realism here.
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Secondary actually to that guy who made the Heath Ledger crack.
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has the gaul to rip into a bunch for being excited about a production that deals with a property they loved when they were kids themselves.Is GI Joe commercial in nature? Sure. Does that take away the fun factor for whomever enjoys it? Absolutely not, but then, someone like Vern, whose failure to understand GI Joe's attraction doesn't really surprise me, should no better then to knock other properties around based upon commercial enterprise and marketing. I mean, really, the sole point for his beloved comic books were to sell adds for kids, so how is this any different? Oh, excuse me, TOY manufacturing played a role in character creation, where as his beloved superheroes were based entirely upon serious creative concerns.God, I really hate nerd snobbery.
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Upon further reading I must apologize to Silentbob, his post is a bit deeper than I gave it credit for. I agree what he said about calling other peoples fantasy ridiculous, but his ultimate point about enjoying it and not complaining is defeatist apologist bullshit. There, that's better.
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Is it really that surprising that Hollywood fails to understand anything even remotely dealing with the military? Yeah, this is obviously going to be an LCD film directed by a hack second only to Michael Bay, but still, a bit of realism would have been nice.
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is full of idiots, I thought I'd just shed a little realism on the subject since someone asked. By the way, it's Grammaton as in Grammaton Cleric, as in watch Christian Bale's portrayal, and you will know not to screw with him. "Sgt. Cantrell? How do you spell that?" stupid yokel "Correctly." Keith David, The Quick and The Dead.
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If you're gonna go unknownish--At least go Cole Hauser. Something.
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Hell. I'd take Ryan Phillipe over Tatum...wait.
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The Movie will be based on the storyline established in the Marvel Comics run, not the crappy cartoon show. So it's more a comic book movie.
Vern, I know that you are still pissed that your parents only bought you NKOTB and Gobot Puppets while the cool kids got Transformers and G.I. Joe.
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What's he doing? He could totally pull it off.
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He's open--there not doing any more lost right now.
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Vern tells you something true and you all start crying. A.I don't think Vern cares if it was a comic or a cartoon. B.Vern isn't 14 like you are so he doesn't care about Gobot toys. C. Get your heads out of your asses if you think this movie will be good. It's fucking GI JOE, can't you see that you are still feeding into the corporate bullshit?
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I'd take Ryan Reynolds.
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they lived some life.
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I was an E-4 after finishing high school. I did JROTC for three years, enlisted as reserves @ 17 and went started @ E-3. I finished BCT before my senior year - did my AIT after high school, and got booted to Specilist E-4. I am now 24 and am E-6, almost an E-7, so don't tell me you can't be E-8 by 27 - fucktards. If you're going to talk, then talk like you actually know shit.
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If you do ROTC in college, you can be 2nd Lieu (O-1) before being 22!
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Who is ONLY 30, went through all of the ranks and he is a fucking Captain. God, are some of these talkbackers dumbasses.
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They should have got the guy who plays Nick Stokes from CSI if they're going to go for the squarejawed boyscout thing.
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This is a fucking movie we're talking about and Duke is way too young so eat it.
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I don't really think this is a good casting choice, but you can't say he's too young. Maj. Dick Winters of Easy Company was 27 at the end of WWII. Given a wartime service, you can advance really quickly.
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And I think that most fans would agree that the comics did an excellent job of fleshing out these characters so that they became more than just saturday morning commercials. I don't need the next Brando to play Duke, but is it unreasonable to ask for the next Kurt Russell instead of some 10 years too young abercrombie model?
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I believe. It was created to inspire the troops.
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Who wrote GI Joe, Transformers, etc (his name is Ron Friedman, imdb him), and he plainly admitted that the shows were extended toy commercials. Which I guess is a point in Vern's favor.
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of course you can be an O-1 at 22 that's what ROTC is all about. As your the rest of your comments it appears that you are in the reserves, and not on active duty. Is that correct, or am I misreading your comments due to their (ahem) clarity. The path to promotion is much quicker in the reserves than regular army. No one is saying, and I'm not saying it's not possible to be an E-8 in your twenties in the reserves. There's nothing wrong with the reserves, I was in the NG myself, but we are talking active duty here. GI Joe is not made of reservists. So, I, as you put it, am talking like I know shit. Please take note of the complete sentences and correct spelling. If you are on active duty, and an E-7, then more power to you.
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moving up three ranks, in eight years (assuming he was the average age of 22 at commission) is no big deal.
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Some wet behind the ears model-type becomes field commander...cue inter-hero hostility (with Mr Eko as the wise sage type) and by act 3, he's earnt their respect and beat up the guy from 3rd Rock.
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That turned out pretty well.
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The only hope of one of our childhood memories being made into a great movie is if Pixar gets the rights to a Mario Brothers Movie.
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Did not say I am still in the reserves.
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and prove wrong the naysayers saying being 27 and an E-8 was impossible.
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http://www.army.mil/-news/2007/09/22/5000-3-158th-soldiers-prove-a-younger-army-not-necessarily-a-bad-thing/ But Channing Tatum looks like a douche.
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http://preview.tinyurl.com/2z38jy
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"BALAD, Iraq (Sept. 18 2007) -- According to Sgt. 1st Class Gregory Searcy, years ago, when his father pinned on E-7 with only 16 years in the Army, he was considered young to be joining the ranks of senior non-commissioned officers.
Last month, when Searcy himself joined those ranks with only 12 years of service, not many people considered it out of the ordinary. In today's Army, many Soldiers are moving through the ranks at an accelerated pace."
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skills to be an E-6 as tme2nsb has still not answered the question which was asked. I will ask it again. Are you, or are you not active duty. And again, if you are an E-6 at 24 more power to you, but learn how to answer a question. As far as the rest, could very well be that the rank structure is changing. I left in 1993, and was considering re-enlisting this time as active duty because the job market sucks. Previously soldiers had to pass boards to make rank. The recruiter told me they don't do that anymore, and with a lot of guys if you're in for X amount of time, and don't pass the board you get promoted anyway. He said a lot of the old timers are mad about that one. Can't say I blame them.
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The jumping of the shark!
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The origins of something are completely and utterly irrelevant. It's where it ends up that counts. The entire Secret Wars story in Marvel comics was written as nothing more then an excuse to get all the characters in one spot in order to make a toy line out of them. It says this plainly in the intro to the graphic novel collection. Does this mean that every single Spider Man storyline with the black costume is total bullshit and unworthy of the best possible screen adaptation? No, of course not and only an ignorant fool would think as much. G.I. Joe is no different and deserves no less respect. So for the record, for every jackass who needs this spelled out for them. NO ONE IS ASKING FOR FUCKING SHAKESPEARE!! I'm going to repeat that, because most of the apologists during the whole Transformers fiasco were too thick to process it. NO ONE IS ASKING FOR FUCKING SHAKESPEARE!! Just an adaptation that stays true to the characters.
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You ass clowns and your complaints about your childhood being raped because of a movie adaptation of s shitty cartoon are hilarious. If all it takes is a movie to ruin your childhood memories, then it's no wonder this country is so full of drugged out therapy zombies.
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This is the Wolfman Nards you stole your name off of (Note the space between words). You suck at life. DIE IN A FIRE.
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Never heard of this guy and didnt pay enuff attention to notice him in the lackluster WOTWs. I rather have that chris evans guy (who was suggested during casting) as Joe's top kick than some unkwown asshole.
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A real American Hebrewwww!! G.I. Jew is theeeerreee!! OY!!
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Or Duke Nukem. Uwe Boll calls dibs.
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TRANSFORMERS was a terrible movie, but I liked it anyway because it had GIANT! FUCKING! ROBOTS! I hope TRANSFORMERS 2 is told from the pov of the bystanders, faux-documentary style, because that 'edginess' would no doubt lend alot of credibility to this or any toy franchise. You know, the 'indie' crowd, but, 10 years old. You know, by making it all seem 'gritty' and 'real'. As 'gritty' and 'real' as, say, falling 1000s of feet from the sky in a helicopter. Because that happened to me once and my camera broke! Damnitall!
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As 'gritty' and 'real' as, say, falling 1000s of feet from the sky in a helicopter and surviving! Not only surviving, but being okay enough to run! Now THATS realism. And by realism I mean, totally fucking retarded.
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Cause then we can bring Scatman Crothers back to life so he can play a resurrected Jazz in TRANSFORMERS 2: THE FRANCHISE CONTINUES.
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He needs to be in this too.
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Show them blowing each other, Cobra Commander laughing at them in the Starscream with a lisp voice of his.
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Though I see a lot of self hate in those words.
Self hate and film theory 101.
So according to Vern: if it's going to suck then why get upset when it seems to be guaranteed to suck even further?
Simple: Multiple offenses. Multiple offenses warrant more severe penalties. The worse this gets the madder everyone should get.
It's not about just raping childhoods. This is about using that rape to get a piece of shit funded. This is like your priest tapping your ass when you're 8 (*coughBSBcough*) and then writing a book about it 20 years later and making millions.
Ok that's a little severe but it gets the point across. Cause the icky gooey icing on this rape cake will be when the movie does huge $$$ there by validating Stephen Sommers as a film maker to producers and studios even further and resulting in 5 sequels. -
The movie is going to win multiple Academy Awards and was one of the biggest grossing movies ever. If the movie would have been made the way everyone on here felt, it would have been pure, unadulterated shit and not made a dime.
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Can we put a stop to the rape of childhood toy franchises? Will someone not stem the tide of rape? Donate, vigorously, to the Don't Rape My Toys And Associated Fond Memories Of Same Foundation. Together we can END, once and for all, the systematic rape of toy related childhood memories. STOP THE MADNESS! SAVE JAYCE AND THE WHEELED WARRIORS!!! PLEASE?!?!? AIEEE!!!
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Their struggle is infinite, and the road is long. So many miles between here and Cybertron. So many... lives lost... in an endless war. THE TRAGEDY OF IT ALL!!! I"M CRYING!!! CRYING OUT FOR MERCY!!! Can we fictitious transforming robot toys not live in peace? Can we not learn to... l-love? Let us transform our hate to love. Our war to peace. Our regular to unleaded. And nary spilla drop of Energon in the name of love! ONE MORE IN THE NAME OF LOVE! TRANSFORM IN THE NAME OF LOVE! OOO HOO OOO OOO OOO HOO HOO OOO!!! Take it away Edge!
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I think I may have a problem with depression.
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Action Man is sooo much more bad ass then G.I. Joe. IN FACT he is the greatest hero of them all.
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*Choke*
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Jan 28, 2008 9:13:10 PM CST
The Greatest Hero Is Jesus Christ, Not Action Man Or Gi Joe
by laserpants
JESUS! FUCKING! CHRIST!
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First of all when you say the film is going to win "multiple academy awards" put that in context and say they will be possibly for special effects and sound fx editing, nothing that determines the actual quality of the meat of the film. And I want you to explain to me, in all your marketing wisdom, how the film would have tanked if fans had gotten their way. Because from where I'm standing, on a mountain of logic, I think the film would have made MORE money with more screen time for the robots and less of the awful two dimensional needless human characters.
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...there's already a Jesus Christ action figure. He can hurl loaves and fishes at bad guys, and batter pharises with clay pots.
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Hey Channing Tatum is bad! Just be glad this movie didn't come out in the early 90's we would have seen a list like this:
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I'm hesitant to weigh in on this at all, but: consider for a moment that although, yes, the reason Hasbro et al. were funding these cartoons was to sell toys, that's not what made them popular. Because they were popular, certainly more so than any other tv commercials I can think of. My sense of it is that the combination of 30-minute animated commercials and toylines created a new type of toy: action figures/robots that had personalities, backstories, and continuing adventures. Sure, simplistic and juvenile personalities, backstories, and adventures, but still. My point, I guess, is simply that the dismissive arguments people make about the cartoons being cynical attempts to get kids to buy toys are wrongheaded. After all, every movie, tv show, comic book, dtv Segal vehical, etc. that people around here like was made for the purpose of making money. GI Joe and Transformers are no different. If you think that they are junk material unworthy of film, go ahead and say that (I'd wholeheartedly agree with you)--but realize that it's a separate question from whether or not their creators wanted to sell merchandise. That said, this movie looks ridiculous. The premise is moronic, and I can't imagine any actor playing these sorts of roles straight without feeling like a complete jackass.
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Will there be shots of guys parachuting from planes after they've been hit so there's no death on the screen?
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Jan 29, 2008 12:01:31 AM CST
The only people who don't like transformers are elitist douches
by spoiler_man
Transformers was fucking fantastic. People want to be entertained at a movie and its what Transformers does. Pure fucking entertainment. The only people who dont like Transformers are elitist douches. You know the type. The boring idiots with beards who end up sitting next to you at a party talking about There Will Be Blood or some other boring shit movie nobody wants to see. Fucking pussies.
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I always thought Neal McDonough would be perfect for Duke.... you know, the guy from Band of Brothers, Minority Report, and Tin Man. What a missed opportunity.
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America is the best country in the entire fucking world. We fucking RULE the world. GI Joe shouldnt be made up of international dicksplats. I dont want watch a GI Joe movie to see some smelly french guy shooting a gun while a jap whose dialogue I cant understand chatters away beside him. I wanna see some real American heroes. Coz thats what American soldiers are. Fucking heroes, Laying their life on the line every fucking day. America is the new Camelot. GI Joe should be a movie celebrating its knights.
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The cartoon was retarded, made by hacks who assumed little kids would watch anything. The laser guns were stupid. Back in the 80s the only kids who watched it were the ones who really would watch anything. The comic book was what gave the GI Joe toys any character. Snake Eyes especially was cool because of the comic book. The toy company emulated the direction that the comic gave the characters, such as when they started supplying Snake Eyes with samurai swords after the comic developed this whole Ninja backstory, followed by the Storm Shadow action figure. As somebody who was just the right age during the height of GI Joe popularity, I assure you that the appeal of GI Joe was all about the comic book. Even as a kid I could tell that the cartoon was just a commercial, and that it was totally lame. All my friends who collected the action figures and toys thought so then.
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(in which case, I salute you), but if you are serious, you should really do a bit of research and think more about the US and its place in the world. The sort of sense of American exceptionalism and entitlement you're espousing is a big part of the reasons why the US is weakening power. The US was on top because its people worked hard for it (and the rest of the world was more or less destroyed by WW2 and colonialism), not because it was intrinsically special. For an interesting/accessible analysis on how the US is in many ways a declining superpower in an increasingly tri-polar world, take a look at http://tinyurl.com/2m4xnw.
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Uh yeah, way to inspire.
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Dennis Quaid for General Hawk. Arnold Vosloo for Zartan. According to the internets.
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I didn't know there was a comic strip that you guys loved. If it's really so great then I apologize. I just wanted to offer the idea of thinking about that maybe just because you remember something existing on television in the '80s does not mean that it is worth getting emotional about. I've noticed you guys can get pretty nostalgic for alot of stuff that is not necessarily, like, good. And as far as I knew GI JOE was those army dolls everybody played with and then in the '80s it was some inept flagwaving swill that was cynically used to pump money out of your parents. Apparently it is that plus a comic strip. I mean, even a bunch of you guys who profess to love these characters are calling it a fucking "property." You say it's not just a toy commercial but you use businesssman terminology to describe it. I just worry I'm gonna see you guys getting all worked up about CHEETOHS: THE MOVIE next. How DARE they cast that guy as Chester the Cheetah! This is one of my favorite properties! Its trademarks and copyrighted likenesses were a dear part of my childhood!
But if GI JOE really is an actual story and they could've made it into a real movie then my apologies. Maybe this isn't the best example then.
But Industry Killer, I wasn't saying to just accept crap, you know me better than that bud. I was just saying you guys lost this battle months ago when they hired the director. That was when it became crap. I see a bunch of neanderthals ranting about gays and blacks because they don't like the name of an actor who was cast in the movie. But the cast is irrelevant at this point, you know that. You think if they really got Daniel Craig or Clint Eastwood that he would be able to teach Stephen Sommers how to make a movie that has rhythm and builds to a thrilling climax and tells a good story? I don't think he could.
And as for Moondoggy, you're thinking of somebody else, I don't know what you're talking about super heroes being precious and all that.
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...I mean the comic was always good, but whenever a Snake-Eyes story arch came around...forget about it...pure gold. He's one of my favorite characters in anything ever. He was a ninja who couldn't talk and had a destroyed face for crying out loud, it don't get any better than that.
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Or, if you are, you should look up the word PATRIOT in your dictionary. I agree we worked hard for it but to say that America isnt special? Why do you think so many people came here from other countries and why they still do? We're the best nation on earth and always will be. Fuck me, its a great feeling to live in the greatest nation on Earth isnt it? Go J.O.E!
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I wonder if his prison cellmate was Yoda? Probably not. Probably some big black guy who enjoyed hatefucking his cellmates to show how not gay he was. Ah well. Hope you stabbed him in the cock Vern.
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awful writer and a truly school-of-schumacher director...i could not give one shiny shite about him and his dire projects.... rant over
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I'm totally going to buy that and save the world with JEEEEEEEBUS FUCKING CHRIST MAGIC!!! He'll will smite the non-believers with his STIGMATA BEAMS! BADOIOIOIOING!!!
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Snake Eyes: ...
Storm Shadow: You never tell me you love me.
Snake Eyes: ...
Stomr Shadow: Remember when we would look at each other across the battlefield where nobody ever died and everyone had a parachute no matter what? What happened to that love, that... intensity?
Snake Eyes: ...
Storm Shadow: Can't you utter one word? One syllable? One tiny hint that you love me above all other men?
Snake Eyes: ...
Storm Shadow: I WISH I KNEW HOW TO QUIT YOU!!!
Snake Eyes: ... -
You think we had this much love for a glorified toy commercial? You call yourself a geek? Hang your head in shame. The comic went over 100 issues. It was before the days of the graphic novel, but it was a comic BOOK. Furthermore it is plainly obvious that you have not read a single previous talkback on GI Joe because a lot of us have been ragging on the cartoon where no one gets shot (and don't get us going on Cobra-la ie Highlander 2) but the comic had story arc, chemistry between characters, and yes, people dying. Were there times when it goes cheesy, sure, but not one-tenth of what was in the show. I can't believe Vern actually admitted to not knowing about the comic. Ask any Joe geek about the "silent castle" and they'll know what it means. Ask about Snake Eyes' tattoo and they'll know what it means. All this info was in previous forums. Those of us in the know tried to educate the uninformed. There is no way you read the previous talkbacks. Sorry, but seriously I've lost respect
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long, maybe WolfmanNards like yourself thought of a brilliant name, and didn't know it was already taken. Great minds think alike. Although now that he does know, out of courtesy he should change it.
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it's a book, not a strip. 32 glorious pages a month. :-)
seriously, though, Vern. Get down to a comic shop (or Borders or Barnes&Noble) and find a trade paperback of the Marvel series. The first 50 issues are available in TPB form. Hell, if you email an address, I'll buy one and send it to you. (or maybe check it out of a public library if they have it) You'll see the writing was excellent, Larry Hama never treated it like a toy tie-in. One good reason? He created the character profiles for Hasbro... so these were creations he had a vested interest in... and he kept it up for the better part of 155 issues.
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now you got me amped up for CHEETOHS!!!! OMFG, best movie of summer 2011!!!!!
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issues. I thought it got killed just short of ten years i.e. 120 issues. Yeah, Hama didn't bow down to Hasbro. Of course since Marvel had the license from them there were some concessions that had to be made. Check out this little tidbit. One of the writers/artists of the book had a side band, just a hobby called the K-otics. In one of the issues, it was somewhere up in the 90s I think, it showed Clutch with a K-otics World Tour t-shirt. It was geek minutia, but I thought it was funny. Oh yeah, until Vern apologizes not for disrespecting GI Joe, but for not educating his dumb self by reading the other Joe forums, I have not respect. Might not even after that, but it is the only chance to redeem himself. I need to go through my comics this morning, see if I have any duplicates, and maybe send Vern a copy.
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Dark Horizons says he is Zartan and Dennis Quaid is Hawk. I need to go IMDB Vosloo
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for being a doofus about 1) not knowing about the comic book 2)admitting he didn't read previous Joe talkbacks. If he did he would have known about the comic BOOK.
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better and better.
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This makes Spoiler_Man sad.
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Jan 29, 2008 10:41:11 AM CST
Vosloo as Zartan would be the first "good" casting they've done
by finky089
but I can't imagine he'll get enough to do to really make it worth our while. IF the Vosloo casting is even true.
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Nipples on Baroness?
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"Today Variety confirms the casting and adds actor Dennis Quaid to the growing squad of real American heroes. Quaid is set to play General Hawk, the team's senior leader. Tatum is confirmed as Duke." so says C2F
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"Dennis Quaid and Arnold Vosloo have joined director Stephen Sommers' G.I. Joe cast, according to Variety and IESB.net.
Quaid will play General Hawk, the grizzled team leader, and Arnold Vosloo will play Zartan, a mercenary who works with Destro and Cobra. The action-adventure, coming to theaters on August 7, 2009, is scheduled to shoot next month in Los Angeles." so says Superhero Hype
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Hawk: Dennis Quaid
Duke: Channing Tatum
Snake Eyes: Ray Park
Heavy Duty: Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje
Breaker: Said Taghmaoui
Ripcord: Marlon Wayans
Scarlett: Rachel Nichols
"Rex" yep Rex, the only made up character either dies or is going to be Cobra Commander: Joseph Gordon-Levitt
Baroness: Sienna Miller
Destro: ?????
Storm Shadow: Byung-hun Lee
Zartan: Arnold Vosloo
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Dude, the casting is not that bad. We have no reason to assume that the people playing 'Duke' and 'Scarlett' are bad actors just because they aren't big names yet, and if they had to cast a Middle Eastern guy in the film to fill the international quota, why not a second-stringer like 'Breaker', and why not an actor as memorable as Said Taghmaoui, who stole every scene he had in THREE KINGS? Gordon-Levitt is a head-scratcher, as is the decision to use 'Heavy Duty' instead of 'Roadblock', but the only really cringe-worthy inclusion here is Marlon Wayans as 'Ripcord' (be grateful he's not 'Stalker'). Quaid, Miller, and 'Simon Adebisi' from OZ are actually better actors than the material warrants, and Ray Park as 'Snake Eyes' is a sky-punching home run (as is Vosloo).
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For what, not being a big enough geek and not throwing a fit because some guy named Channing is playing the yellow haired guy that leads a bunch of ninjas and some broad that throws spears against a terrorist organization spawned from an underground snake world led by a guy in golden armor who flies around and throws snakes at people? Look, maybe there's some good shit in the comics, but the reason the studio is making the film and the reason most people are going to go see it is because of nostalgia for dudes with silly names shooting lasers at each other. Maybe the comic does have a deep emotional story about Dr. Mindbender's childhood, but I don't think most people are going to give a shit. You can't throw a tantrum every time the studios don't cater to your personal fantasy of how a property should be adapted. Or maybe you can. I just hope Sgt. Slaughter gets to play himself, even if he is old as shit.
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that sounds deep. But seriously friends. I apologize for insulting this thing you love that I thought was a cartoon. I do not apologize for not heavily researching the ins and outs of GI Joe, sorry Grammatron. Ain't gonna happen. I hope you guys end up getting the movie you dream of, but hear my plea: this is a Stephen Sommers movie. Don't hold your breath.
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I really appreciate at least the first 100 Marvel Issues. Ninja Action, people dying, children aiming at their parents, pretty rough stuff for kids. Here you find a real good summary of the comics: http://www.myuselessknowledge.com/
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but all the stuff we've been saying has been on the other talkbacks. A five minute read, and you would have known that. I'm just saying if you're posting stuff on the Joe movie, know something about what's already been posted. Oh, and lurn to spel Vurn.
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Jan 29, 2008 2:06:10 PM CST
Sgt. Slaughter will be retired, and running the
by grammaton cleric binks
NCO club. Set some Guinness aside for the Action Force wussies.
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Adding Hawk to the team lessens the blow of Duke Jr. (Always hated Duke anyway so it's good to see the true leader getting included). But I still wish they would have used mostly the original line-up of Joes. Partially because each member filled a unique position on the team, and partially because they had the better codenames which were more realistic and reflected their personalities rather than what they did. Then, for the first movie, have it a straight up battle against Cobra, with Cobra Commander and the Baroness being the only 'face' badguys. You could also have hints of Snake-eyes being a ninja. Then, build upon this and include more of the mercenaries such as Destro, Baron Bludd, Storm Shadow, Zartan and Firefly in the sequel. This ups the ante and gives them somewhere to go with the series rather than blowing their load all in the first movie. But Vern's right...it's Sommers so I'm expecting something in line with Street Fighter.
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The movie is going to suck....inevitably. Stephen Sommers is terrible and beyond that I think this is an incredibly difficult "property" to adapt to the screen right from the get go. With that said I don't care. I read the Transformers script months before the film and I knew given that and the director that the thing was a total wash. That doesn't stop me from being pissed that a perfectly good concept for an awesome genre flick (something in short supply these days) gets completely fucked over. In regard to G.I. Joe I just take the whole thing very personally. Out of all the 80's properties I grew up with Joe was my favorite. The characters were distinct, the vehicles were incredible, and the entire concept was pretty damn rad. So yeah it was made to sell toys, and they were god damn good toys. The cartoon was pretty good in that it that all the Joe's and Cobra had very unique and individual personalities and the comic just brought the whole thing to another level. So as far as how the idea of G.I. Joe from the start holds no water as a concept is completely ridiculous. Good is good, no matter the intention.
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They lose billions of dollars worth of equipment in every episode, and yet have billions more ready to go! They must make all their money in the oil trade.
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For Duke. But, he would be cool for Hawk.
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I see where you're coming from. But I still think all the people who called this guy gay or a "wigger" are asswipes.
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Who do you think would have been the right director for a GI JOE film? GI JOE was my favorite growing up, too, but I can't see it being anything more than a cheesy, fun action flick. I don't want them to fuck with it either, and I have some major reservations about certain aspects of the production. But, as cool as GI JOE is, this is not a "serious" property. Sommers may not ultimately be the right guy, but he's in the right ballpark as far as directors go. And, it's nothing supernatural like VAN HELSING or THE MUMMY - hell, he didn't even write the script. And, whatever flaws he has as a storyteller, he's a competent action director. But, this was never going to be RAIDERS or DIE HARD or SAVING PRIVATE RYAN, and people need to calm down and see what actually gets filmed. Shooting doesn't even start until March.
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Jan 29, 2008 5:03:38 PM CST
Will Joe meet 'Johnny West', 'Captn Action', 'Barbie'?
by stark industries
Will they remember Joe's backward (copy writeed) digit? There could be a team up where all three captured Barbie and... You know you did if you had a little sister to pick on then. You KNOW you did! :) - Stark
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We did. It was soooo coool! You could even cut-off about 1'1/2 of the gun, over pump it, load in 2 or 3 'Super Balls', then Joe, pull the trigger and launch is plastic butt thru just about any enemy fort or pillbox! "GO JOE!"....... Man this movie's gonna suck... Probably have Product Placements by Revlon, Tab and Cover Girl. Jeez... -Stark
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Then he'll replace Ledger as The Joker in the third Nolan Batman. Seach your feelings, you know this to be true.
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He would be great. Ian McKellen for Serpentor. Ewan McGregor for Major Blood.
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with Serpentor, I can see Stewart as Destro, but are you thinking voice only, or Stewart actually wearing the mask?
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a theatre actor, described as a cross between Alan Rickman and Clive Owen.
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Joe did jump the shark with Serpy, but came back hard when they brought original CC back even nastier than ever, and went into the whole CC/Snake Eyes history.
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and Jennifer Lopez for Lady Jaye.
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and everyone should consider this: Take another look at Van Helsing. The introduction of the Frankenstein monster was a scene that was almost re-created scene by scene of the orignal Frankenstein movie. Having said that I think Sommers, hoping he's done some research, could do something similar with the comic panels. It'll be no Rodriguez Sin City translation. No one expected that, even from Rodriguez. But based upon that part of Van Helsing alone I think it could work.
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Thanks for the info Highlander25. He hasn't been in much as far as main parts, and I have no idea of his theatre background. Scary thing is though if you shave his head and paint his face silver he sort of looks like Destro.
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The only way to do this, and do it well, is to bring back the supreme team of over-the-top satirical violence and subversive politics. Have Neumeier and Verhoven take the healms and watch a movie that 10 year olds will love for the action, and adults will love for the campy aesthetics and subversive, satirical political commentary. Anything else will be a flaccid p.o.s.
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is that he has no rhythm. It's just constant BANG BANG BANG. There is no build at all, it's just in your face from beginning to end. An example that comes to mind is that in THE MUMMY, even when there is a scene about talking in the library, for no reason he has all of the shelves fall down like dominoes, destroying the entire library. The result of this constant mayhem is that when it got to the end I thought "That's the end?" Not that I didn't want it to be over, but to me it just didn't have any build to it, it was just the same pitch the whole time.
To be fair though I gave up on him after his first two movies, so I don't know if he improved in MUMMY RETURNS and VAN HELSING. But I have not heard anyone claim he has.
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My guess is Hawk will be the grizzled team leader and Tatum be the young hotshot...
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Jan 29, 2008 11:07:01 PM CST
I just realized that sounded like I was announcing something...
by sonnyfern
didn't mean to sound like I'm breaking news or anything, but that's what I'm thinking they're going to do with the story...
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Without Robert Englund?!? That's like the horror equivalent of doign Star Trek with a new Captain Kirk. Assinine...Unless of course they get JOHNNY DEPP to play Freddy. That would be priceless stunt casting.
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'Nuff said really. Also since his films are so busy firing off one set piece after another there is no wonder or sense of adventure to his films. With that said I really liked Deep Rising, but that may have had more to do with Treat Williams charisma as that character and his awesome chemistry with Kevin J. O'Connor, who I love in everything except Sommers last three films.
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at least he should be.
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Anyone can see that Neal McDonough
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Isn't played by the korean guy from Lost!!!
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"bet if you interviewed the people who made that show they would openly state that it was designed to sell toys to you and that there was little effort put into it actually being good. And if there was effort put into it maybe there was no talent to back it up. Is my guess. But you're the experts."
The depth of the Larry Hama comic aside (which introduced me to the I-Ching and taught me that Trotsky was assassinated with an icepick to the back of the neck in Mexico), there's an interview with Marv Wolfman on the DVD for the first Joe Mini-series where he actually states the complete opposite of your wager.
He said that UNLIKE other 30 minute toy commercials of the time, he said they were never pressured to shill products, they were encouraged to make the characters likeable and believable, and given almost free reign to do so.
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So do you think they succeeded in making the characters likable and believable? Some of the other fellas were saying the cartoon was garbage and that when you say GI JOE it means the comics strips.
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Adaptation of cartoon = bad. Adaptation of comic book ( and Vern if you say strip one more time I'll go Christian Bale Equilibrium on you) = good if done right.
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I think in the context of what it was they managed some remarkable things.
I rewatched a good chunk of the episodes last year when I was given the Season 1 DVDs. Hadn't seen the episodes in at least a decade and I was impressed by how well they had aged. Sure they have the aroma of cheese, but they don't creak and groan like Thundercats, He-Man, Transformers, or any of the other 30 minute toy commercials of my youth.
There's a great deal of maturity in some of the storylines. The two-parter "Worlds Without End", for example, where some of the Joes get sent into a parallel dimension where Cobra not only rules the world, but has also defeated and killed all the Joe members. There's a scene where Steeler and Grunt find skeletons OF THEMSELVES. Total and complete mindfuck as a kid, let me tell you.
The comic book may have reinvigorated the toyline which led to the cartoon, but it's the nostalgia being mined, nothing else. So yeah. The cartoon was great. The comic book was better. This isn't either of those and was never ever going to be. G.I.J.O.E. is TRULY going to be GIJOEINO.
That's why this movie is going to be a stupid heap of failure. Not because it's based on a "silly" cartoon or comic book (strip). There's lots of movies/books/etc that have been based on slight material and turned out to be masterpieces. No, it's going to be a stupid heap of failure because the people making it could give two shits about what they're making other than trying to make a quick buck. They have no passion for the story they are telling and the end result will just be soulless and mechanical. Like Velveeta.
Maybe if the people involved actually CARED about the cartoon, the comic book, even the toys, it might stand a chance, but they don't.
I'm not a fanatic or anything. My childhood hasn't been violated in any way. The whole project's made me roll my eyes and sigh exasperatedly, but that's because, as a filmmaker, I just don't understand why someone would waste their time making something they have no obvious passion for. Go sell insurance or something if you're just "doing a job to get paid", y'know?
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that would fit more for this travesty
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I gotta agree it's just hypocritical and silly for some people around here to dismiss G.I. Joe as something silly or too commercial or corporate. For some reason, a movie about a guy in brightly colored tights and a cape, who flies and shoots laser beams out of his eyes requires a serious, reverant film or fanboys riot in the streets, while a property about soldiers with machine guns fighting terrorists is somehow kiddie junk. Ridiculous. Apparently Superman and Spider-Man were created for charitable reasons. The cartoon was admittedly silly at times, but anyone who has been a fan of the comic book series realizes it deserves no less respect than an original comic book creation. And, for the past seven years, a new Joe series has been running. A lot of people care about the comics (and the cartoons) as much as many people care about Batman. It's just a fewer amount of people. And if you think those movies aren't for the sake of selling toys, walk down the aisle of a toy store. G.I. Joe villains, by the way, are basically James Bond villains, anyway.
I've just read that Larry Hama, the original writer of the comic series, and most of the character profiles included in with the toys way back when is to be a "creative consultant" on the new movie. Sure, that sounds like pandering to fanboys, but it also shows that there are enough fans worth pandering to. Geek snobbery is TOO funny. "G.I. Joe is just a silly toy... Organic webshooters?!? My God, no! My precious childhood memories destroyed! Waaahhh!" -
Couldn't have said it better.
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Yihah, the "Creator" joins the Bad and the Ugly (Di Bonaventura or Sommers, your choice).
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As many above have pointed out, this film has a LOT of other problems - this is just one piece of hay in the stack. Complaining about this particular casting decision above all others is like a guy who has just lost both his arms and is moaning about his stubbed toe.
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Rotten tomatoes. There is hope.
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Will Big Lob be in this movie??
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Latino Review posted a script review by El Mayimbe , which has since been pulled by the studio, but they left their opinions up. Good news they said the script and story are actually great. "It is a love letter to GI Joe fans," so says the review. God lets hope so. The same guy has reviewed all 3 versions of the script in the past he loved the first loathed the second and he says this one is the best of the three. Bad news: Steven Sommers can find a way to fuck up a great script I'm sure, but since he's never been given one I can't be sure. Oh, and 2/3 of the casting makes me weep in my corn flakes.
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It only gave details on the first act. Some of which sounded very cool, but he didn't really get into details about more worrisome things like Wayans' character or the rumored identity of Cobra Commander. Plus while the team's now led by Americans, it's still sounds like much of the international bullshit is present. It practically screams, "We may be Americans fighting terrorists but we formed an international coalition so you don't hate us, United Nations!" Having "G.I. Joe" refer to an international group is like having a movie about "Uncle Sam" in which he's a Guatemalan.
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So which flag will Duke jetpack to the top of the Statue of Liberty?
EFF THAT!!
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Big Lob = 100% AMERICAN.
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I'm OK with the international aspect of the team as long as it was the US' idea and our people are running it. The team itself can be international all it wants, as long as Duke, Hawk, Snake Eyes and the original core group are from the US, I'm good. I don't mind if Breaker is middleastern or Heavy Duty is African, etc, just so long as Duke isn't Iranian or any other classic Hollywood irony. The Pitt sounds like it'll be US based and if the unit is moble I don't have a problem with them globe trotting. I still don't like the idea that Cobra Commander is a former Joe, though. I'm even good with GI Joe being an acronym Global Interdiction Joint Operation Entity is not too bad, Though I thought the last part should be Expiditionary Teams, thus G.I.J.O.E Teams or J.O.E. Teams, but thats knit-picking, I know. I have a little hope left. Quaid, Park, and some of the other cast are good choices. Some not so good, but people can always surprise you. The real make or break falls on Sommers, dear God I hope he doesn't make this thing feel like the Mummy Movies which were fun to watch the first time through... given a healthy suspention of disbelief in the action scenes which were cartoonish at best and zero actor/director preformance directing. And Van Helsing was the biggest movie turd I have ever seen in my life... honestly how in the blazing blue fuck do you take a film with Frankenstein, Dracula, and the Wolfman and (Van Wolverine)and fuck that up? It should have sold itself for Christsake. He his the weakest link in the whole thing and that is where my fears lie and my hope fades.
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In case anyone did NOT read the latinoreview script review before it was pulled, I posted excepts (minus the two big-ish spoilers) on my web site, josephdickerson.com. Why? I LOVE G.I.Joe, I'm excited about this film, and I support the Writers Guild. Nuff said.
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