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This is horrible horrible news... Heath Ledger gone...
Harry here... Heath Ledger was found dead in a Manhattan Apartment today around 2pm according to the NYPD and CNN. At this point - my take on this is... Please don't fucking be true.
I first met Heath Ledger 8 years ago on the set of A KNIGHT'S TALE - he was impossibly young, handsome and charming. He went on to become one of our absolutely most talented and promising actors.
Right now - he's got the part of THE JOKER in THE DARK KNIGHT. We know filming is complete, but all the post - we have no idea how much of that has been finished. This news is horrifying. Absolutely fucking miserable.
What happens now to Terry Gilliam's THE IMAGINARIUM OF DOCTOR PARNASSUS - which was filming is completely unknown. I don't know what his part was in that - or how vital he was too the film - but GOD FUCKING DAMMIT. I'm so pissed about this.
He was married to Michelle WIlliams and they had a 2 year old daughter. I hate this. Hate this. I can't even imagine what we're going to miss. Heath wasn't just talented, but he seemed incredibly grounded and was working with some of the most talented people in film.
I'm so pissed about this. Not at Heath - but at the cruel fucking fate of the world that would take an actor at his absolute prime - right when he was about to explode with what seems like an astonishing performance as the Joker. This is just cruel. Cruel to his family, friends and absolutely brutal to all of us that were so looking forward to spending years and years watching him entertain, touch and thrill us in theaters.
Fuck - this world sucks some days.
Additional news on this... I hear from Quint that Michelle Williams is at Sundance with a film about a woman dealing with the death of her husband. I'm hearing that due to Heath's work on Gilliam's film (2nd lead) - he had done quite a bit of his post production work on THE DARK KNIGHT. And beyond Gilliam's film - he was favored by Malick for Terrence Malick's TREE OF LIFE. Everyone - this is a really really bad situation.
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Isn't this out of left field?
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I just saw this on the news. Still can't believe it.
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Just awful.
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I seriously am just not even fucking allowing this to sink in yet. This is just fucked.
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It's sad how drug use kills our culture.
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This is awful news
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God damn shame.
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He was just starting to show what he was capable of. One of the finest young actors of our day. RIP.
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Just saying.
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it hurts...
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I was just starting to warm up to the guy
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At first I thought it was a cruel joke, but I turned on my TV and there it was. Goddammit! The Dark Knight was going to open up so much for him.
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Yes, he was a good actor and a charming man. But, honestly, the most tragic thing about this is that there is a 2 year old girl who will never know her father. That's the most damning thing of all.
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true that.
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But I don't think he and michelle actually got married, just FYI.
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i dont know what to say..a great actor...seemed like a good person...had no idea he had drug problems at all. Hopefully the Dark Knight will turn out to be a great tribute showcasing his talents.
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I can't believe this!
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Completely sucks about Heath, but did Gilliam take a dump in an indian burial ground or something? Has anyone had worse luck on movies?
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Wow.
I am absolutely stunned by this news. Just stunned. This is hitting me hard, for some reason.
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what the hell prompted this, seriously...
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I am in a total state of shock right now. Damn. Damn. Damn.
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When I heard this I though the story was fake. That's crazy.
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He was a great actor and guy!
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Looks like "The Dark Knight" will be his farewell performance. Wow, this is just horrible. I feel terrible for his kids...
TMZ is reporting that it doesn't look like a crime because pills were found near the body. -
Did you ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight?
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What a fucking waste.
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"I'm so pissed about this. Not at Heath - but at the cruel fucking fate of the world that would take an actor at his absolute prime "
NOT at Heath...he's the one that did the drugs man. It's no one's fault but his own..unfortunately. It's sad. but dude... -
I know it sounds mean of me to say. But I don't have much sympathy for stupid people who use drugs.
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Kids, stay off drugs. Not that we know for sure yet, but "pills were strewn about" is not good.
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reports say he was 'surrounded by pills scattered on the floor'.
Dont blame fate - fate probably wanted him to make many many more great films. Instead he popped some pills and got the drop on fate. -
This is my first time writing in an obit talkback, I'm sure I should have done this for more entertainers but Heath is really the first one I watched grow as an actor and watched most of his movies. This is really sad news. I really don't know what else to say.
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I hope his performance as The Joker is the best performance of his career. R.I.P man.
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ABSOLUTELY GUTTED, SO SO SAD HE REALLY WAS A BRILLIANT ACTOR, MY CONDOLENCES GO TO ALL HIS FRIENDS AND FAMILY.
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He'd gone from an actor that I didn't give a second thought about, to one that aways had my attention. Fuck, fuck, fuck. A MILLION FUCKS!
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This is so sad. All of Geekdom is in shock.
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He will be missed. My condolences to his ex & their child. Shocking.
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I used to watch him as the bike rider in "sweat" here in Aus and you could tell he was different from the rest. This just ruined my day.
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Seemed like he was just starting to get it as an actor. Sorry to hear it ended that way...
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He was a very good actor. It's times like these when you really understand Paul McCartney's comment when John Lennon died. That whole seemingly flippant "It's a drag" thing was really all about how you just don't have any response to news like that, at least not initially.
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Sad, sad news....
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I feel bad for his little girl.
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Well, this is going to put a damper on Dark Knight...
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can't think of anything else to say...
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Dude was just starting to really fulfill his potential, and was no doubt set for tremendous things after The Dark Knight comes out.
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This is terrible. The Joker did not have the last laugh.
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Jan 22, 2008 4:15:15 PM CST
Terrible. On a side note his joker make up reminded me of Brando
by sydbarretsmydad
another promising actor gone. My fiance is 7 months pregnant with my daughter. I hope I live a long long life with her, and am so sorry for his daughter and family.
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From Monster's Ball on, I'd really started to enjoy Heath as an actor. A great emerging talent is gone. My thoughts are with his family in this difficult time.
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Quite a shame indeed.
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Sad day indeed.
Whatever the case may be about his death I hope his family knows many hearts are with them
He was turning into one of the most unique actors and already gave us some wonderful moments in the history of film. Dark Knight will be bittersweet.
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Jan 22, 2008 4:15:22 PM CST
I hope somone gives Gyllenhall one of his shirts to smell
by grandmufftarkin
RIP Heath.
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Not many Hollywood deaths shock me, but this one knocked me over. We lose too many greats too early, and he could've been great.
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...it will kill you.
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That's all I can get out.
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They were found in the bed with him. Just an FYI there. I'm sure the truth will come out. This is the worst news from the entertainment industry......
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Fuck. Not sure what else to say. The guy was going to be a legend.
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Jan 22, 2008 4:15:51 PM CST
This changes the whole Batman movie. It's the CROW all over agai
by orionsangels
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here's to a talented and accomplished actor who dedicated his life to entertaining us. TOO SOON man...TOO SOON.
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can't believe it...RIP Heath
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it said he was filming the gilliam one right now in london, and something in france, so maybe he was done on TDK, doesn't matter to me anymore in a way, I don't wanna worry logistics and such...
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Fuck it's on the TV, it's on the news right now and it still doesnt feel true, So fucking shocked!!
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Seriously... imagine where his career would have gone could he have made it past batman?!
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Just a shame. Really just a shame.
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I don't believe in God, or Fate or Time or anything grander than this: We're here and than we're gone. That said, I enjoyed Heath Ledger and just wish he weren't "gone"...least not yet.
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He was pronounced dead at 3:26 p.m. in his downtown Manhattan residence by his housekeeper, who discovered him in cardiac arrest and called 911, an NYPD spokesperson says. He was apparently scheduled to have a massage in his apartment this afternoon. Sources tell CBS 2's Scott Weinberger the death may be drug-related and that there were pills scattered around the room. Ledger had recently separated from his wife, actress Michelle Williams. The couple have one daughter, Matilda. This is sad, I hope they didn't have a big fight and he killed himself over her . Heath was in the midst of filming "The Imaginarium Of Dr. Parnassus." Poor Terry G can't get a break
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Fucking hell I still can't believe it.
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many people thought he was a nothing actor, but then he started turning into something really fantastic. this hurts.
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The Dark Knight will now just be fucking weird. Like "The Crow" weird. Brandon Lee anyone??? Kinda?
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This is obviously awful news. I feel so bad for his family and his little girl. The fact that he was on his way to super stardom with what looks like an absolutely amazing performance as the Joker makes it all the sadder. Please for the love of god, let's all show a little respect? The first asshole (and he's waiting in the wings, beleive me) to crack some dumb ass joke in this talkback should get a Jay & Silent Bob ring at his door bell moments after. To have his teeth punched down his throat.
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I honestly don't feel bad for him. He had everything going for him and goes and throws it away for some pills.
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Famous or not, talented or not, no man should go so soon. Thus is life, and death. RIP.
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If it had anything to do with him playing such a dark character....you hear all the time how certain actors get so deep into their roles that it can over take them.
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We don't know he did drugs, he was found with sleeping pills, he might not have a had a drug problem, stop jumping to conclusions, he was found with sleeping pills, he could of bought them to kill himself, it's not like Brad Renfro who was known to have a drug problem.
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If there were a "Why so Serious?" note at the scene?
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It's a tad different from possibly ODing in your bedroom, but nonetheless, a sad loss indeed.
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Jan 22, 2008 4:17:34 PM CST
Terrible waste of a talented fantastic actor who was about to ex
by bongo123
Condolences to his family..
man wasnt expecting that when i clicked on AICN.. i keep waitin for the star trek teaser in HD and this happens... man, i thought he was class -
I'm sorry he's gone, and he was a fine actor. But don't say this was life's "cruel fate." People who take drugs gotta know it's killing them, even if slowly. His "fate" was in his own hands.
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Speechless. Just speechless.
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sums my feelings up perfectly
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Did being the joker screw him up and lead him to this? I've read about movie roles leading people to go insane
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something I think all obits here should start incorporating is a nice list of 'watch this and watch that' for people who sadly cannot claim to know the recently departed all that well.
I cant even name the film, but I caught a showing on Showtime one saturday of an Aussie film where he played opposite a young girlfriend who got wrapped up in drugs and dismay after a promising start. Despite its hauntingly prophetic nature, it was a very genuine performance by Heath; and showed some acting chops Id yet to see in any of his American works. If anyone knows the film, it should be mentioned in this thread so people can seek it out. -
but no. It's not. Personally i'm kind of sad. RIP
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im almost in tears here, i cannot believe someone who would go on to become one of my generations greatest actors could go in the same way as so many before him.
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Man, this is unreal! Talk about coming out of left field...everyone was expecting Britney or Winehouse to OD next, but Heath Ledger? Jesus! I am shocked, positively shocked. I wonder if this was accidental or deliberate? Such a tragedy. R.I.P. Mr. Ledger, you will be missed...
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seriously
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This news was totally out of left field dude. What a bummer. I bet Jack Nicholson had him whacked...
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is going to be a sad affair now.
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His poor family. I can't imagine what they're going through.
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Jan 22, 2008 4:19:03 PM CST
This is like getting hit by Ali in his prime - never see it comi
by straighttohell
This is beyond tragic news. He was fast becoming one of my favorite actors. And with Joker, it looked like the guy was about to enter true stardom....
I'm at loss for words. Of all people to go, talk about the least expected. I will miss him a lot.
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Then Harry, the "world" didn't take him. He did with the shit he put in his body. With that said, I will miss him. Really talented, seemingly a bit of a strange guy-- in a good way. He'll be missed.
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I don't think people planning suicide make massage appointments. Hopefully, (if there is such a thing in this case)it'll turn out to be accidental.
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this sucks so fucking much, its unbelieveable
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Some of you fuckbags are already wiggling your fingers and admonishing the man when in reality we don't know anything. For all we know he accidently overdosed on legal drugs and even if he didn't, this still fucking sucks and if the only response you can muster is "he had it coming" or something to that effect then you're a pretty empty, nasty little fucking person. This news sucks, it hurts, and it's going to strip much of the joy right out of watching The Dark Knight.
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I was really looking forward to seeing his performance as the Joker, but now, none of that seems to matter. I hope his family and friends can heal from this, and whatever demons were plaguing him won't be the ruin of someone else. "This sucks" doesn't being to describe how terrible this all is. Death is cruel, but suicide is even worse. Once again, my condolences to Heath's family through all this.
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Self imposed or accidental it's not time to jump to conclusions.
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What a waste.
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Never a fan of Brad REnfro. His dying seemed like an inevitability. This is like a kick in the nuts. Seriously. R.I.P dude.
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Why could it not have been Paris Hilton or Britney Spears?
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Waiting for so long for the Dark Knight and then today Ledger dies, dam it, i thought for sure he would have been on superstardom right after The Dark Knight but dam drugs will fucking do that. A bitter shame, but alas RIP mate.
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With pills reported all over the room, not as well grounded as you thought. RIP dude and long live the Joker.
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Talk about an actor who never 'peaked'. He always chose the most interesting roles, and The Joker probably wouldn't have even been the most interesting. I can only imagine the roles he would have picked up with his new found clout. Damn fucking shame really. I don't mean to disparage any of the other deaths posted on AICN, but it is rare that an actor in such great form and on the rise just dies like this, River Phoenix doens't come close. So much wasted potential - if this was drug related - and such a shame overall.
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yes, it sounds like drugs contributed but until you know the whole story, why not STFU about it?
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That's really, really too bad. I wonder what happened.
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The man was a unique talent.
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A tragedy, and I feel loss similar to what Harry described... However if it was an accidental O.D. then it only goes so far to something more akin to "You'll be missed, dummy. You seemed smarter than that". However, if he punched his own ticket then, well, I am angry at Ledger.
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He seemed like someone who had it all together (cliche',i know) as opposed to the obvious people on the fast track like Brittney Spears. I really enjoyed his work so far and I'm just dumbfounded. I pray for his family,especially the little one he just left behind. May that little girl and the rest of his family have peace in there lives soon.
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No matter what, in the sameway watching the crow. you keep thinking, wow he's dead.
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Please tell me this isn't true. This can't be. First Brad Renfro, now this.
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The news is gonna state all kinds of bullshit like "Look at the similarities at the movie and Heath's life." He was a great actor but the truly sad part is that he's got a two year old daughter. Damn Shame.
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Genius
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I just saw the headline on Yahoo and thought it was some sick joke. what the fuck man. this sucks. he was a good rising actor.
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Didn't I say earlier that I was worried as to what psychological tolls transforming into the Joker persona might effect? The Joker killed him.
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Sitting in a theater checking the movie out will have a very different feeling now. What was a summer popcorn flick will now be very similar to watching "The Crow" following the untimely demise of Brandon Lee. Ledger's death colors the entire project.
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No other word for it . Just plain shocking.The guy was the same age as me.A very talented and much admired actor in view. My thoughts go out to his family and friends .
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this is awful Heath, you were great, you won't be forgotten
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I'm shocked...His performance in BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN is one of the most emotionally nuanced I've even seen. When he was cast as the Joker in TDK, I knew we were going to be in for something good. I just can't imagine the sad shadow this is going to cast on that film...not to mention his life and legacy. A true shame.RIP.
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I'm so surprised right now. This is awful news. It's gonna be pretty sad seeing him in Dark Knight... hopefully the joker can be at least wrapped up because we don't need a second actor replacement in the Batman series.
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Everything about him being the Joker now seems creepy.
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you can call it a cruel world all you want but... if ehdid overdose or kill himself.. he is one freakign selfish ass. The dude had a daughter and was about to become a houshold name as the joker and make millions of batman fans happy and he goes and kills himself. im sorry i had respect for him before but now he is just a crackhead to me.
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Horrible!
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NO ONE knows exactly why he did it, what his reasons were..dont judge until you have walked in someone else's shoes. No, i do not believe in suicide, but no one knows what kind of personal problems or hell he may have been going through.
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complete anarchy thinking everything's a joke. Fuck this is fucked.
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it's a damn shame when any talented person leaves this world too soon. He will be missed.
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They just better not take someone else. Seriously, are we going to find out Jake Gyllenhaal or Shia LaBeaouf is next? This is a goddamn tragedy.
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It should have been Nicholson
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....then Ledger is just another selfish, dead asshole who left a kid behind and the only thing nerds should be pissed at is Ledger.
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So don't start with the whole fucking drugs done him in yet. Fucking god damn...this could have been a terrible accident. Get the facts straight beofre you fucking judge him.
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Suck, we all know they do, but people make mistakes, so I'm not losing my sadness for him or his family just because a substance was involved. That just seems too heartless.
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unfreakinbelievable
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I rest my case. No one asked you to feel bad for him, he's dead, he can't read your post dipshit. Who you should feel sad for is his daughter, who doesn't have a daddy anymore. Why do people think they need to pass judgement on someone who is no longer alive? Show some fucking respect for the people who are left to mourn them (family OR fans).
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Dude, please. It's everyone elses fault but his own? Thanks, guess I should turn myself into the police. Wake up Harry.. Heath did it to himself FOR WHATEVER REASON.
My prayers go out to his 2yr old and wife. May you find peace in all this crap.
And Harry.. wake up man.
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God fucking damn it.
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I can't accept that this is true. It's just not how it's supposed to go.
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Truly sad. Such a waste.
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This was gonna be his year.
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Man his performance in Brokeback was up there with the best.
And it looked like his Joker was going to be THE DEFINITIVE Joker
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What if the "pills" were aspirin he was taking for a headache and he had some sort of aneurysm.
It still sucks but it would NOT be a drug overdose.
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he was someone who would have been around in the business for a long long time truly sad R.I.P
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not a single person in this thread has typed the phrase "he had it coming" so go put your soap box away. Oh and just so you know; as a general rule, all pills are legal when prescribed by a legitimate physician - so when someone is found dead amid a scattering of pills, you can't really start making determinations about whether they are 'illegal' pills or not. The illegality is determined by the user - the application.
I'll grant you this: it is possible that he suffered some form of seizure while taking legal doses of medication, thus pills being strewn around him. Its also possible he took one, swallowed wrong, and simply choked on it. For these possibilities, he deserves a moratorium on our judgement.
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A Fucking damn shame. His Joker was going to explode. Hopefully the character meets his end in this movie so we won't have to endure a replacement in Batman 3.
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News said he had done some rehab before ... and it is kind of hard to OD on sleeping pills. You have to put quite a few in your mouth on purpose. This is just sad that with so much to look forward to he chose to end it all over some personal demons we may never know about.
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No matter what the cause...terrible. A talented actor. He will be missed.
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Jan 22, 2008 4:26:19 PM CST
This is terrible. And all you holier-than-thou anti-druggers nee
by kevred
...shut the fuck up. Drugs is always a symptom of other things, and you bastards should get off your high horses and just feel the sadness of a lost talent, and life, like the rest of us. Without the lecture on morality.Besides, even drugs seem to choose victims randomly. We keep a formerly coke-snorting, alcoholic monster as president and lose a terrifically talented actor. We lose.
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Wouldn't it be weird if the death of Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan got people as excited as the death of a movie star. Glad to see our cultural priorities are in order.
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No matter what the cause...terrible. A talented actor. He will be missed.
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We have NO idea what the true cause if his deathi s just yet. If he was found at 2 PM - just 3 hours ago, then there is no way that any toxicilogy reporst could have been done, let alone crime scene. Unless theer is a smoking gun or a note in this case, no one knows the true cause of his death. Be it intentional or otherwise. it is just very sad regardless. Accident or otherwise - and the retarded folks on this posting who are glibbly taking shots at drug use and what films may not get finished - grow the fuck up!
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is saying he just got back from Europe and that may be why he was taking the pills... trying to get back on East Coast time.
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He seemed like he was going to do such great things. It really seemed to have come out of nowhere.
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My thoughts exactly, Harry. We're all going to miss what should've been a lifetime of amazing, amazing work. But fuck all of that: his daughter has to grow up without a father. My prayers are with her and her mother. RIP.
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....stop concerning yourselves with worries about whether The Dark Knight had finished filming,or what will happen to a sequel.A young man had died,for gods sake-i'm sorry for all the swearing on my other post elsewhere,it just annoys me that all some people care about is a bloody film!!
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Reports so far indicate that it was an overdose of sleeping pills, not a friggin' Nikki Sixx speedball with a dirty needle sticking out of his arm. The "serves him right, he took drugs" people are sickening in their moral superiority. Try seeing the world in shades of something other than black and white, you robots. Fuck. It's River Phoenix all over again.
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It doesn't matter what movies he might have been in, what matters is the tragedy that will befall his family. I thought he was a good actor and he will be missed.
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That poor little girl...
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....................................................................................................................................................Peace out Mr. Ledger.
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This is a feeling I haven't felt in quite a while. How unbelievable. Prayers to Michelle and Matilda. I am so sad.
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Such promise! WTF!!?!?!?! These stupid young fuckers have everything and just throw it away.
P.S. He was never married to Michelle Williams. They were engaged...but broke up.
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A KNIGHT'S TALE. BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN. 10 THINGS I HATE ABOUT YOU. THE DARK KNIGHT. Three I've seen, one I couldn't wait to see - until tonight.
This seems inconceivable. Heath really WAS on top of his game - and about ot explode with the role as The Joker. The world was at his feet. He had one hell of a body of work behind him. And, most importantly, a family - whether they were together or not, he and Michelle still had a daughter.
RIP Heath - whatever troubled you in this life, may you rest in peace. All our condolences (my fiancee and I) to his family and friends. An ascendant, spectacular talent is gone from us, and I can't fucking believe it.
Watching THE DARK KNIGHT will feel like nothing so much as watching THE CROW. One with so much to live for, with so much yet to do, gone far too soon.
"Don't let anyone tell you you don't deserve what you really want" - 10 Things I Hate About You.
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Some nice words. You really can nail it sometimes. It's a sad loss. Somehow the screen won't shine as brightly from now on. RIP Mr. Ledger. Know that you certainly did entertain us with your vast talents.
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sometimes its better just to say nothing.
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Once again, drug abusers give drug users a bad name.
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I gotta think that when you get into drugs, you gotta expect it to end like this. Maybe he should have learned a lesson from River Phoenix. Too bad his daughter will have to grow up without him.
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Sad, yes, but all im seeing is reports that it was pills that killed him. I feel bad for his family, and i'll be damned if i'm not pissed that this sucks for the Batman franchise, but if drugs did him in then I can't feel too bad for the guy.
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movie was called Candy.
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good point my friend. I wonder how long we would be over there if they got this kind of coverage?
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R.I.P.
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I keep waiting to hear that it's a hoax or something... Also, to the anti-drug people... Please shut up, and show some respect. This isn't what happens when you USE drugs, this is what happens when you ABUSE drugs. There's a difference. Don't talk about shit you don't understand.
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I can't believe it......very sad. Just utter shock
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It's going to be so difficult to watch an outstanding performance that I think would have probably given him an Oscar nomination. No one will be able to fill his shoes, that is for sure :(
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My kid brother loves A Knight's Tale and Heath in general. He's gonna be gutted when I tell him about this. :(
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Very sad. My brother texted me the news. Checked Skynews and here. Found nothing. Thought it was BS, then checked skynews again a few minutes later and there it was. This sucks. Rest in Peace Heath.
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sheesh. World isnt ending..but guess it is for Harry...
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While the status of future projects are now unknown, the important thing here is that a daughter will grow up without knowing her father. If this was a drug-related issue, it's sad that he didn't get help. My heart goes out to his family.
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I've been near tears with this sick feeling in my gut since I've heard this.
This was my Joker, the one that was young and twisted and awesome. Now we only get him in one movie because Heath WAS The Joker. Just from what I've seen he did such an amazing job...I don't want to see anyone else do it.
And not only that, but he was just so seemingly nice and so good at what he did.
28 years old...my god...
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Now we have to find another guy to play the Joker in Batman 3: Revenge of Darth Joker! Mother FUCKING FUCK!
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Fucking hell. Such sad news. I'm utterly shocked :(
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haven't felt this way about someone famous dying for years. this is a real tragedy. thoughts going out to his family, to michelle, and to his children.
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...life is fickle. Permanent solution to a temporary fucking problem. RIP dude...RIP.
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Heath Ledger was so talented. Fuck, I thought he had all his shit together. Looked up to him because of all the shit he had been through. Well said Harry. He was a brilliant actor with tremendous ability. He will so be missed.
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Not because he was anyone special, but because losing your life to substance abuse is utter fucking bullshit.
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Last year, I spent several days writing journal entries for the Joker on a certain web page that had "Mr. Sand Man" playing in the background. I stopped and took down the page after I found myself becoming too engrossed in the Joker persona. It was psychologically unhealthy.
That having been said, it is widely known that Ledger locked himself in a hotel for months, trying to summon that same persona.
If I began to grow disturbed after a few days, I can only imagine how disturbed he eventually became during his so-called psychological "training," Actually, I guess I do know... now.
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The guy was a talented actor but he was also a father. I feel bad for his family, man. Everyone was getting so excited about his performance in THE DARK KNIGHT, including myself, and just when it looked like he was doing great things as a performer this has to happen. I just hope it wasn't drugs. It would be a fucking shame if both Brad Renfro and Heath Ledger, two bright young actors, were taken away within a week of each other by that shit. I'm really shocked by this one. RIP.
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I feel for your family and even yourself. Sleeping pills can be a very dangerous thing if abused. Hey at least he has what appears to be a great performance to carry on his name, none of us can say that.
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If we feel sad, I can't imagine the hurt his family is feeling. My heart goes out to them. We don't know what happened yet. I've never gotten the whole drug thing. I enjoy a beer once in a while. Just don't need that much escape to get into drugs. Suicide... the most selfish thing in the world.
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We lose someone like Heath Ledger, but god damn Amy WInehouse and Britney Spears are still alive???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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Alot of my mates aren't into movies as much as me. Some of our friends don't understand why this sucks so much. When we're sitting in our rooms watching whatever for the 15th time, we share these stories with the people who make films. So my friends look at me and say Why So Serious?
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Last year, I spent several days writing journal entries for the Joker on a certain web page that had "Mr. Sand Man" playing in the background. I stopped and took down the page after I found myself becoming too engrossed in the Joker persona. It was psychologically unhealthy.
That having been said, it is widely known that Ledger locked himself in a hotel for months, trying to summon that same persona.
If I began to grow disturbed after a few days, I can only imagine how disturbed he eventually became during his so-called psychological "training," Actually, I guess I do know... now.
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So, it's fate that made Ledger accidentally ingest too many pills? Screw that and screw him, if it was indeed suicide. There's no excuse for leaving a child behind.
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This is off topic, R.I.P Heath Ledger, but the HD trailer is here my friend: http://www.paramount.com/startrek/
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So sad...
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like others have commented, It's looking as though you can't blame this on fate or the cruel cruel world. If he overdosed, than he killed himself, and that's terrible and sad, but there's will be only one person to blame for that. Regardless, RIP sir.
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From your role as the Joker.
I'm sorry you were in a dark place and you felt you couldn't reach out to anybody.
I will leave the talkback with this proverb.
Suicide. Long term solution to short term problem.
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Ledger was definitely becoming a great actor and he had a mixed and varied body of work behind him. This is one of the first times I feel really sad about a dead celebrity/actor and I feel that the world has lost an interesting and heck, even sometimes electrifying, talent. Monster's Ball was the moment it started happening, and I hope that we can still watch a riveting performance from him in The Dark Knight that will do him justice. I don't care if its finished or not, that's not important. What sucks is the father of a young family losing his life.
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Jan 22, 2008 4:33:53 PM CST
ROAR! Was awesome! Ledger is in Vahalla now.
by stereotypical evil archer
Heath, thanks for the memories and films. Your memory will continue until all us follow.
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R.I.P. I saw great things in his future. Sigh.
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I don't even know what to say. To think of all the incredible movies we'll never see him in. The guy was fucking talented as hell, and this news is just crushing. Absolutely crushing. Oh God, I hope this report is false. I really, really, REALLY do.
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Sad, sad day.
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Sadly this happens more times than it should. Talented guy and more importantly he had a family. There's a 2 year old girl who won't ever get to know her father and that makes me feel horribly sad for everyone involved.
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Such a talent cruelly struck down too too early. But if it does turn out to be drug related it may focus some peoples minds to steer clear of that shit and some good come of it. RIP Heath and thoughts go to your family.
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I keep thinking that he's gonna walk out on some talkshow tonight dressed in full make up to reveal that it was just one big Joker prank.
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Fuck you each and all. A job is a job but these fuckers like TMZ who are already paying people to go through his garbage and sending out camera people to stalk the mother of his now fatherless child should all collectively die. That fucker Harvey Levin deserves the worst kind of death a person could have. They laugh at shit like Owen Wilson trying to off himself then try and act all concerned about this situation all the while exploiting the shit out of it. I'm not trying to be an ass but really,Right now as i'm typing i'm watching them lurk outside his home and his friends and family homes trying to push past police to be the first one's to photograph his body being placed in a bag. Fucking vultures.
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not much else to say...
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Horrible news...but anyone who's seen Lost in La Mancha knows what I'm talking about.
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So sad. Is there any point arguing the toss now? Lets hope The Dark Knight is a suitable bang to go out on!
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Farewell Heath. You went too fucking soon.
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A fine actor, always liked him and the roles he played, just utterly tragic - RIP Heath...
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Notice the similarities to the Crow and Heath's Joker and How they both act a little crazy and how they both died? spooky.
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The movie you're thinking of was called "Candy".
This is indeed a tragedy, I was really looking forward to seeing him in TDK. Now... well, it won't be the same.
Two Hands is still one of my favourite movies, everyone here should check it out if they can. Great Aussie flick.
He was just starting to come into his prime after taking a fairly dangerous role in Brokeback.
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Just seen this on the BEEB and Sky news... as someone who's always admired his skills and a HUGE Batman Begins (and sequel) fan I'm GUTTED, 29 years of age man, that's no age to go... RIP Heath
(and pleeeeeeeeeease, someone locate the disrepectful TIT who put a huge picture of a c**k* on his wikipedia page, and give him a slap)
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His poor family. I'll remember him as a very talented man. Really understated performance in Brokeback Mountain and those pictures of the Joker....that got more hyped to see the movie than anything else so far. His take is just going to be fasinating. Fuck.
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I usually don't feel physically shocked when I hear about a celeb death but this one knocked me off my arse. He's a father, too, isn't he? Wow. Bad, bad news.
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Wow. That can't be good...
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he's gone, but that he had the world by the fucking balls and it didn't mean shit to him. THAT is what's truly sad. If this wasn't an accident he should've gotten help. RIP
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You people aren't "devastated". You didn't know the guy. Bunch of fanboys who think they'll miss some cool Joker scene now. Pathetic.
Ledger was a fucking coward. What kind of pathetic well-to-do celebrity-class loser checks out and leaves a baby girl behind. He was weak and stupid.
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fuck
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Hopefully this is all a joke, he was becoming a much better actor as time went on
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If only it were a practical joke, a massive Publicity Stunt designed to promote The Dark Knight. But what on earth would they be trying to promote?!?!?!
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...for at least a month. Seriously.
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Whatever the cause, this is fucking tragic, sad news. His poor family. Even if he did do it to himself, he must have been one miserable bastard to do it - the bottom line is a guy has died too fucking young and we're all worse off because of it.
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this is real life, someone just died, we don't care about star trek you asshole
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I can't believe it, he had so much promise to develope and truly establish himself. Watching the Dark Knight is going to be a pretty sombre affair for me, I hope his last screen roles are a fitting coda to his short but exceptional acting career.
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I don't think it will affect TDK too much, we all watch films with dead people in them all the time. Weird that of all the celebs out there who seem so fucked up that someone with actual talent has gone.
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I kept thinking this news couldn't possibly be true. I'm still having trouble processing this. Anyway, Olsen better not be responsible for this..
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1. He was not that great an actor.
2. How can he be a douche and fuck around with drugs when he has a daughter.
3. Thanks for the link misterdude.
4. My balls itch.
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You must live in Brooklyn (Michelle) or Soho? Do me a favor and spit on those fuckers for me. Or throw your toilet water on them.
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... i wish! RIP Heath
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Jan 22, 2008 4:39:12 PM CST
Hey DIPSHIT it was sleeping pills, and I for one Doubt it was in
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SO FUCK YOU mlsmithjr.
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He gets to join River Phoenix in the pantheon of great actors whose best works were ahead of them and now we'll never get to see.
Imagine if Robert Downey Jr had kicked it in the early 90s, say right after "Chaplin" and we never got to see all the great work he's done since. That's the sort of entertainment we just lost.
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I can say nothing more than what you said, Harry. Our feelings exactly. We all have lost. R.I.P Heath Ledger
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IT was her apartment...pretty direct link if you ask me...
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I hope beyond hope this is a bad bad bad bad joke!!! His potential was something I looked forward to seeing happen. My thoughts and prayers go out to his loved ones. As mush as this hurts me, it can't be anything compared to what they are going through. RIP Heath, you will always be remembered as an extremely talented and charming person.
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I can't fucking believe this. This is absolutely bad fucking news. I really enjoyed this guy's acting. I feel so bad for his daughter and family. God fucking dammit.
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Brilliant. Iconic. Promise left unfulfilled. This is going to start weird curse of the joker thing...
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nothing ys can say really...condolences to family and friends
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RIP Heath Ledger... shit man, you'll be missed.
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... was all I could say. TDK looks like one hell of a performance to go out on... but damn... Makes you respect actors like Depp. That guy has learned to remain great without overdosing.
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don't post anything if all your gonna do is make a sick fucking comment or joke and drug related death or not it's sad news and for some of you fucking nerds who never had theopportunity to take a drug in your life, you have no right to talk about the subject and insult it. bottom line is show some respect or don't show up to post.
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It is difficult for me to describe in words how fucked up and sad this is. What terrible fucking news. This guy had insane talent and there's no question why he was picked for the Joker. I was just laying in my bed and I heard the news on the radio. I guess this means Joker will not return for a sequel with Christopher Nolan. I wonder if they will use CGI to kill the Joker off in Dark Knight and then dedicate the film to him before the credits roll or before the movie even starts. Or maybe they will get an actor to replace Ledger as the Joker for Nolan's next Batman sequel? I dunno.
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I'm happy you live such sheltered, perfect little lives. It's wonderful to know that there are people out there without a care in the world or a weight on their shoulders. Hooray for you cunts!!I've knows several people who've died from drug overdoses; none of them would fit the typical drug addict sterotype you'd see on TV shows and movies and the one that some of you ignorant shitheads have in your brains. Rather they were intelligent, well off people who SHOULD have been happy but weren't. None of these people actually meant to kill themselves but when you can only find relief, albeit temporary, in some drug induced nirvana you'll take it; it beats the shit out of the alternative.But that's beside the point since no one knows what kind of drugs Heath OD'd on but some of you are still out to rob the man of any shred of dignity he had by saying the tired and ignorant adage "he had it coming". From what I've read Heath has had alot of heartache recently and he's never been stable. Great people usually aren't. He's more than likely gone too far on a bottle of Prozak or some other drug that an overpaid shrink has dished out.God bless you Heath, I only hope that there's something beyond this life and you find some happyness. You'll be missed.
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Watching The Dark Knight will be like watching The Crow.....I don't want to believe this.
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Jan 22, 2008 4:42:21 PM CST
"I would like to know what is at the center of your world."
by johnny smith
"Well, I'm 22, I guess I would say me."
R.I.P. Mr. Ledger. The "Idiot Wind" sequence in I'M NOT THERE broke my heart, and that's no small feat. -
So lay off the guy. If you want to spew your hatred, don't do it in an obit page. So I guess you've never had a problem before huh? This happens all the time and it's sad but people get addicted and things happen so just lay off the guy
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I feel so horrible.
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Last year, I spent several days writing journal entries for the Joker on a certain web page that had "Mr. Sand Man" playing in the background. I stopped and took down the page after I found myself becoming too engrossed in the Joker persona. It was psychologically unhealthy.
That having been said, it is widely known that Ledger locked himself in a hotel for months, trying to summon that same persona.
If I began to grow disturbed after a few days, I can only imagine how disturbed he eventually became during his so-called psychological "training," Actually, I guess I do know... now. R.I.P., Ledger. You are the only real person that the Joker killed. -
mlsmithjr & johnnykool, show a bit of respect huh? no-one knows the facts yet... talk about attention seekers... just die your hair shocking pink eh!?! it'll have the same effect
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Just on the eve of what seemed like a new phase for him.
felt shocked reading he'd gone.
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The film Candy was easily one of his best performances. And for all of its campiness, I thought he really make A Knight's Tale a watchable film. Brokeback was stupid showmanship, but others seemed to like the heck out of it.
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Jan 22, 2008 4:43:15 PM CST
Don't make an icon of him... he was better than that..
by greigy just wanted to say
SAD SAD SAD
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Since all of the mainstream media is reporting this, I'm accepting it as truth...unless it is another guerilla marketing stunt. Given the exteme nature of the marketing for Batman I don't know if that would be out of the realm of possibilities.
Assuming that this is real, I feel very sorry for his family and the world. He was a great actor and the glimpses we've seen of his performance as Joker have been nothing short of incredible. The world will miss his next great performance.
My fingers are still crossed that his is a hyper marketing stunt.
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Everyone else has posted nice,short statements about an actor the liked and will miss,including sentiments towards his family, I how ever ranted about something eveyone already knows and made myself look like a raving lunatic. I want to say again I hope his family will be granted peace in this horrible time and that he was a greta talent and will be missed. I'm still looking forward to DK but now it will be to once more see a legend at his best. Heath Ledger will be remebered as a James Dean of our generation.
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RIP man.
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None of which makes any of this less fucked up.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzHnxkLcQ_w
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can anyone else confirm this?
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They broke off the engagement last fall.
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Part of me is still sitting here hoping that this a a huge mistake. The asshole part of me is sitting here hoping this doesn't ruin or delay the release of Dark Knight.
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Police report he may have overdosed on sleeping pills.The poor sod may have had depression for all we know.I notice some sad,sick fuckers are still only bothered about who will play te Joker in Batman 3.....
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Jan 22, 2008 4:45:30 PM CST
Yeah the TV is reporting an accident, which makes it worse!
by orionsangels
He took some wrong medicine. It seems more like brandon lee and the crow now. In that it didn't have to be. its not an actor who was slowly killing himself or anything, but someone who loved life, who loved his job. so sad.
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Jan 22, 2008 4:45:30 PM CST
PLEASE DON'T MAKE A MARTYR ICON OUT OF HIM......
by greigy just wanted to say
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R.I.P. Heath.
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Ledger seemed like a talented actor with a career on the rise. Even if you argue he did it to himself, it's still terrible it happened. Will this turn him into some legendary person? I wonder.
Not to go right into The Joker comments, but this IS AICN, after all. Aside from the "is it finished yet" question, I'm wondering what his fate at movie's end will be. This films may be letting villains stick around, but what if they've filmed it with the Joker dying at the end? That could end up affecting the film's release and everything. In any case, the film will be tainted somehow.
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Yea, I said it. Suicide is one of the most selfish self-absorbed things a person can do.Nobody dies in a "social vacuum" either. His wife/gf/whatever and his child are going to pay the price for this for a very long time. Insurance? Survivor benefits? Nope. Not for a suicide. Just pray that he didn't squander his earnings like a lot of celebs seem to do.Heath Ledger. Looked like he was on his way to being really great. Turned out he was just another selfish prick.
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I know a lot of people drew comparisons to The Crow, and now its even more similar with the actors fates.
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i'm sorry, but if he O.D.'d on purpose or killed himself, I don't feel bad for him. I'm mad at him. He's a fucking asshole for this. He's an ass hole to his kid, to his ex-wife, to so many people I'm sure depended on him in some way. I know someone who O.D.'d and died and I've seen how devastated those that cared for him were when it happened. And to me, O.D.ing is so fucking selfish. It's so goddamn selfish. he had his whole fucking life ahead of him and a kid and a career. Sure, I'm pissed about the movies we'll miss out on, but mostly it's just fucked up. What the fuck.
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fuck.
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I hate it! I think he was amazingly talented, but dude, his selfish desires to use and abuse drugs leaves a 2 year old girl with out a father. How is that "fate's" fault, how is that not his own. We don't know all the details yet, but it seems at this point that he OD'd and that responsibility has to lay at his feet. It is sad, it is tragic, but it is also depressing that people can be so selfish and yet others want to blame something else. Maybe when we learn to take responsibility for our own actions as a culture, than we will be able to make strides. Until then...
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i'm sorry, but if he O.D.'d on purpose or killed himself, I don't feel bad for him. I'm mad at him. He's a fucking asshole for this. He's an ass hole to his kid, to his ex-wife, to so many people I'm sure depended on him in some way. I know someone who O.D.'d and died and I've seen how devastated those that cared for him were when it happened. And to me, O.D.ing is so fucking selfish. It's so goddamn selfish. he had his whole fucking life ahead of him and a kid and a career. Sure, I'm pissed about the movies we'll miss out on, but mostly it's just fucked up. What the fuck.
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... curse of the Joker thing? wtf? Jack Nicholson didn't get cursed. Cesar Romero didn't get cursed (died of old age). Mark Hamil didn't get cursed... so wtf are you talking about dude?
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..."Why is it always JFK and John Lennon instead of Richard Nixon and Paul McCartney?" We can update that to "Why is it always Kurt Cobaine and Heath Ledger instead of Dane Cook and Britney Spears?"
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cause i dont want to see some news post up on batman site saying
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He had complained in interviews that the Joker was keeping him on sleeping pills....who knew it affected him that much. The Dark Knight is going to be such a bummer, shit.
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Kiss my ass.
If it's an overdose he got what he deserved. If you fuck around with drugs you better know your limits. And if you have children, don't fuck around with drugs.
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Last year, I spent several days writing journal entries for the Joker on a certain web page that had "Mr. Sand Man" playing in the background. I stopped and took down the page after I found myself becoming too engrossed in the Joker persona. It was psychologically unhealthy.
That having been said, it is widely known that Ledger locked himself in a hotel for months, trying to summon that same persona.
If I began to grow disturbed after a few days, I can only imagine how disturbed he eventually became during his so-called psychological "training," Actually, I guess I do know... now. R.I.P., Ledger. You are the only real person that the Joker killed. -
how a guy like Ledger is gone and yet we still have to share our air with Amy Winehouse and her junkie boyfriend.
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Fucking horrible news. A total shame.
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Sometimes, I really fucking hate this world; how lives can end so quickly in the blink of an eye.
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Good point.
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"They say there's a heaven for those who will wait, some say it's better but I say it ain't; I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints, the Sinners are much more fun... only the good die young." Rest in peace, Heath.
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NOT TRUE.
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I am numb right now. Just numb. May God bless his soul and provide us all with some sort of perspective and understanding in all of this. Wow. I'm just numb right now. And hurt. This is just sad sad news. Man. All I can do is pray right now because this one hurts. My thoughts are with his family and friends. Unreal.
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So the news channels said he was so affected by the Joker role that he had to get medicated. ????
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Brandon Lee was "killed" by truly outside forces. At this point I don't think the same can be said for Heath, so sad, but it was his selfishness that killed him.
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fucking around with hard drugs when you have a daughter?? Dumbass. Fuck him indeed. Unless this was some weird accident in which case...well...sucks.
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I just heard on CNN that the drugs found were OTC. Maybe we should just stop all the OD talk until the facts come out.
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Certainly seems like a possibility. All the hype surrounding the character supports such a theory. These such sites had been hinting at "Oscar" consideration so it may have pushed him over the edge. But we don't know yet.
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The more I hear on the news, the more it sounds like this was an accident.
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everything about it to this point had this feeling like this was going to be an important film, every facet. Ledger especially and this has just fucked it up. I guess his performance will be legendary.
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Brandon died due to the incompetance of the prop people
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If someone is under a lot of duress due to an unreal schedule, combined with personal stress, it's easy to get caught up in an up and down drug cycle, just trying to cope -- which can go bad quickly, and certainly unintentionally. Apparently he just separated from his wife; who knows -- it may well be that he died of heartache; in which case the drugs are just the enabler.
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The Joker didn't get away.
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This is like someone just sneaking up behind you and just kicking you in the back really hard knocking the wind out of you... and i'm not even a big ledger fan. i'll just say it's going to be like watching a ghost when i see the dark knight.
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...it feels weird to be sad about his goddamn projects not being finished. but that's how we knew him and loved him. it's weird what the New York Times writes. About him still being conscious when the Maid found him? The first thing I thought of was drugs. That made me mad. And it's easy because we have something to blame. Uh, fuck. I will fucking cry when I watch him in DK.
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Like Harry, I too am angry, confused, and horrified. I don't know what horrible event, imagined or otherwise, drove him to suicide, or at the very least, to disreguard his life so much as to OD, but I do know this much: he will be missed. As time went by, Heath seemed to fade in my film consciousness and was nearly forgotten, until a small little role in Lords of Dogtown. That kid was in that movie for all of 25 minutes and he single-handedly stole the show! After seeing him in Brokeback Mountain, I knew this guy was going to be the next Val Kilmer or Russell Crowe. Like Kilmer and Crowe, he had this knack for disappearing in his role, at once being talented enough to depict over-the-top bravado AND quiet sensibility, no small feat in Hollywood's era of vapid, cookie-cutter insta-stars. He was cool for all the right reasons and NONE of the wrong ones. In Dark Knight, however, he would finally show us his dark side; secret demons would be on display. Anyone, and I mean anyone, who had seen the much beloved Dark Knight Trailer knew that Ledger was on the cusp of true greatness. At just over two minutes, we all witnessed something new, something terrible, something freightening, and something wonderful. We saw something in Heath that we don't really get to see very often: a great actor in the prime of his life.And we loved him. And we were memorized by him.And now, we have lost him. I don't know why he did this; I'm not sure if I even want to know. He left behind a generation who will miss him. He left behind a wife who loved him in her own way. Worse, he left his little girl, who will spend the rest of her life wondering about her most precious person in the whole wide world: her daddy. I know not if he was a good man or bad, or what demons possessed him to take such matters in his own hands, but I know that I will miss him and be eternally grateful for what small joy he brought into my life. May the Lord watch over your soul and protect you, keep you in his embrace and under his wing. Wherever you are, sleeping or awake, may you be blessed upon your road or in your dreams. Forever and ever, amen. We'll always miss you...
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SUPERBOY PRIME RETCON PUNCH THIS GUY BACK TO LIFE! AHHHHHHHHH
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I don't mind telling yu all,I've attempted suicide 3 times in my life.The detractors can call me a coward all you like,but until you've been there,you'll never,ever know what an endless pit of despait life can be....
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Seriously, fuck you asshole.
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Use in moderation. And by moderation I mean 'not to just get through the day'..
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I too thought it was a joke. but alas, no. Far to young...
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Missing THE FUCKING POINT YOU TWATS!!! THIS is a talkback to pour out our collective grief for the untimely death of a major talent whose next project we were all eagerly awaiting. Whether drugs or not, whether intentional or not, he was on the verge of superstardom and now is gone. He left a 2-year old daughter and a highly respectable body of work.
Now, I DO feel for those killed in combat out in Iraq. I care that countless species are dying due to man-made global warming. I care that dolphins get caught in tuna nets. I care that Britney Spears, fucked up as she is, is being hounded to her grave by the subhuman shutterbug cunts that litter your country and mine.
But THIS IS NOT THAT TALKBACK - READ THE FUCKING STORY!
If you want to mourn the dead of Iraq - which is a worthy and decent thing to do - go and open a new topic. Create a whole blog, or better yet, a website. Just don't fucking belittle how the Heath Ledger fans on here feel just because YOU want some fucking attention, you fucking lame-ass trolls.
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... But TDK is now assured a box office tanking. The great unwashed doesn't like downers and this is a huge downer. The Crow did well because no one really knew who Brandon Lee was and he played a heroic character, not a villain. I'll be first in line on opening night, but this will definitely be the last Batman movie for along time, if it even gets released. This news really sucks. Only the good die young.
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This is shocking, shocking news. When I first heard, I thought it was a sick joke. Heath Ledger is the River Phoenix of our generation, and I hope that Christopher Nolan dedicates his film to him. Regarding THE DARK KNIGHT being a somber affair now, I disagree – I think, if anything, this will make the film and his performance all the more resonant. I anticipate crowds applauding at the end of the film – both for the film, and for an actor who was set to become truly huge. This is terrible news.
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Rest in peace Heath
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That is all.
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you mean you have some? because you acting like quite the 7yo
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how come none of you had your high horses saddled up for the Brad Renfro obit thread? He has a son in Japan.
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has died. there was just something special brewing about this movie. especially just the concept of heath playing the joker, knowing it was going to be huge. watching the trailer and seeing him. fuck. this is pretty devastating.
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Whatever the reason. And as stated by many others, the real tragedy is a daughter who won't know her dad.
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Jingle Bells
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This isn't the place to start petty fights, but I truly think you're wrong on this one. Read my post above.
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This news is both unwelcome and unexpected :\
Hearing about this I thought it was someones lame idea of a joke.
I feel terrible that he has died in his prime leaving his child fatherless, and then guilty for being glad that he finished the Batman movie :\
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...an actor fucked up and took himself. Come on. Too rich, too famous, too spoiled. Let's not deify someone who has no one to blame but himself.
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of course it will get released.
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I am a huge Batman freak and obviously can't wait to see TDK. My girlfriend called me and told me about Heath and I just...could not believe it. I am really floored. This is just horrible.
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Rest in peace.
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Ahhh, ya got me there. I shave. Now my dark secret is out. das ist schade.
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I still can't believe this. Hope almost everything he had to do on TDK was finished.
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A masterful actor who devoted his entire psyche to a role so dark and twisted that it killed him in the end...
Long-time fans of Heath Ledger (I only recently became one myself) should take comfort in the fact that his final performance will be monumental and dignified. Other skillful actors, such as Raul Julia, whose last role was that of M. Bison in Street Fighter, were not so fortunate. -
I am so saddened by his passing even though I suspected he was using drugs as he had looked so physically ravaged since Brokeback Mountain and he was a good looking brother. My condolences are with his family & friends!
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man reading through these comments.
what fucking nancy regan world do you pussies live in? You can do various recreational drugs and live a normal healthy life. I'm not like a drug fanatic but fried food and too much WOW will kill most of you fat bastards before the occasional psychedelic drug kills me. -
A well regarded actor pouring out his entire heart and soul into a legendary character almost guarantees this will be one of the biggest movies since Titanic. /No joke.
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it's the fact they both end their careers in clown makeup. about to star in a huge hyped movie and die when they didn't have too. if indeed ledger died due to an accident.
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This is really sad, and very tragic. Furthermore, it reminds me of Cobain who was only one year younger (and Ledger was starting to look like him too). But I hope this doesn't distort people's perception of his performance as the Joker. In situations like these, people seem reluctant to criticize a bad performance and from what I can tell of the previews, that is exactly what it will be. "What doesn't kill us only makes us stranger?" Give me a fucking break. RIP.
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This is one obit I frankly never wanted to read in my lifetime. I was looking forward to growing older with new movies and performances from truly young gifted actors and Heath was most definitely that. R.I.P. Mr. Ledger.
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So Mary Kate give Health some sleepy pills and he croaks? I've been saying it even since "The Case of the Fun House Mystery" those broads can't be trusted.
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it's sad. From the loved ones he leaves behind to a loss of real talented human being anyway you look at it it’s just sad.
I didn't want the guy to play the Joker but I didn't want this either. Drug addiction is a sickness so lighten up on the guy.
I just watched Brokeback Mountain for the first time about a week ago and I was blown away by his acting skills.
RIP man.
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I am glad he was an actor and I am sorry to see his passing. RIP, Heath.
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who said heroin overdose. heroin was from the movie candy.
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What official source do you have that we don't that said it was suicide? Did you know Heath personally, did you know how he felt or any mental illnesses (ie Depression) he may have had?
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I just recently caught Mosquito Coast on accident and then ended up watching other River Phoenix stuff thinking about how he died and reading stuff I had forgotten about it. People have said that Leonardo DiCaprio ended up with a lot that might have gone to River, I don't know about that but it definitely sucks. One of my close friends from HS died this last year at 27 and it was really hard, its made me pay more attention to other young people with potential that die young.
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Jan 22, 2008 4:59:38 PM CST
DAMN!I was anticipating seeing his career really take off!
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He showed such promise and now its like his career has just been abruptly ended right at it was really only just beginning. This man is going to be the FRIGGIN Joker and now he wont even get to see himself up on the big screen.
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Watched him way back when he did that series, really enjoyed him there, and have continued to. Thanks for the fond memories. Remeber how I felt when I watched Crow, will hate to feel that again watching TDK. Wish people could bury their demons in something other than drugs (if that is really what this was).
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Dumbstruck by this, RIP Heath, you were great.
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What kind of logic is that. Everyone knows that when someone talented dies people flock to buy/watch their last creation. TDK's box office take just went through the roof.
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Ledger wins an Oscar for the Joker next year I guarentee it.
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The Crow was a horribly bad movie that had its fair share of media bubble when Brandon Lee died.
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I heard it just now, and came here to check if it was true... man oh man, I can't believe this. I really admired him for his acting, the way he dove into characters and really made them rise above everyone else in the movie... It really shows how much people can hide behind their smiles, eh...?
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I hope Harry is watching this and the next time I check this page all your stupid comments are gone. So i guess if someone in your family died of an overdose, it would be an excuse for you to laugh at them, minutes after they died. You are a sick and sad person
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Fuck
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... maybe it's too damn soon to be talking about how this will affect box office... though I'm sure the suits at Warners were doing it at 2:05 PM. So lets drop the subject for now and think about Michele Williams who's way too young to be a widow and a little 2 year old girl who's wondering where Daddy is right now. Godspeed, Heath!
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One hell of a bullshit mythology you've built up for yourself there.
The dude was an actor. TDK finished shooting a while ago.
He was almost, if not completely done working on his next film.
Please don't make a martyr out of the dude. He didn't die because of an acting job. Or ONLY because of an acting job.
Quit making up stories until you know what the hell happened, people.
Rumor has it that he was taking Ambien. Ambien can kill you. Sometimes just because, sometimes from an OD.
The dude died a couple hours ago. Nobody knows what the hell happened.
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"Ehh.. wasn't a fan of the gay stuff."
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acting like he knows the situation as if he were there. Are you the fucking morality police? Respect the dead, that's all I can say. Especially when you aren't the lead detective and don't know all the facts. And if you are the lead detective in this case than I apologize by all means. Dick.
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RIP Heath...
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How can someone attempt suicide 3 times? One time, I can see, two maybe, but three? How do you mess up three times? Your life can't be all that bad, you're still around. Just go ahead and skip the fourth attempt and realize everyone's life is miserable to a certain extent, you just got stuck in the more miserable than usual section. It happens. Anyway, folks, those who are boohooing this and saying, "Ohhh, he could've been depressed!" yeah, he could've been, but someone would've known about it, and he would've been watched closer. Depression doesn't happen overnight to the point of actually killing yourself and no one knowing anything about it or trying to stop it.
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A person just died. Regardless of weather they had a drug problem, which has not been officially confirmed, this is a human life. Being a judgemental, sanctimonious prick will not make the cool kids like you any more, nor will it make your life one iota better. How about "RIP, drugs are bad" instead of "he had it coming". You are whats wrong with this world.
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I'm fucking devestated. Can't even concentrate on work right now.
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All of you who are suggesting it's a heroin overdose need to STFU. This is from CNN "The pills appeared to be over-the-counter sleeping medication, said police spokeswoman Barbara Chen."
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Wow, I'm so shocked! I'm sad too. This guy was so gifted. I looked so foward to waiting for more Joker from him, once I saw the Dark Knight. This just blows me away.
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I just saw this now, have been down with the flu all day long. I want to cry out for his daughter.. 2 years old, asking where daddy is tonight... I have a girl, who is also 2, and i couldn't in my wildest dreams imagine leaving her in this world. This hits me as a father and a fan of film.. What a loss all around.. I hope Michelle Williams is left alone by the press for a few days so she can try to get her hands and mind around this....
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I hope your children get inoperable brain cancer. Do you think you're making some kind of profound statement by saying shit like that? Because you're not, it's not a unique opinion that elevates you as a person. It's just a dumb thing that douchebags say. Yes, doing drugs is reckless. Is it any more reckless than driving without your seatbelt on, or not looking before crossing the street? Or any of the hundreds of physical activities that people take part in that are dangerous, like skydiving, rock climbing, diving, boating, etc. Jesus you people are such fucking narrow minded idiots. You saying that about drug overdose victims is like if your mother got hit by a bus, I said 'good enough for her, I have no sympathy because she didn't cross at the crosswalk.'
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Jan 22, 2008 5:03:41 PM CST
Very sad news,Heath was an incredible actor but was soon to be a
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His joker would have no doubt sent his stature as a moviestar sky high
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wow how can you show no sympathy if it had to do with drugs. heartless bastards. some of the greatest movies ever made would have never even been thought of if not for the effects of drug use. just remember that. use them sometime, it may alter your opinion of them. o and rip heath. you will be missed
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It's horrible, he seem a nice guy
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TMZ reporting that Heath had some drug issues but that he'd been clean for about a year.
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Sniff.
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When any other time they have nothing to say. What sad fucks you lot are.
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so please don't jump to conclusions. He was a great actor just on the verge of what could have been an amazing career. I still can't believe it. But none of us are the medical examiner up in that apartment so none of us know what happened right now.
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Make a donation to a charity he supported, such as Variety - The Children's Charity. On or a much smaller scale, go watch the recent film he barely got noticed in, and in which he did some absolutely brilliant work -- I'm Not There.
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All you assholes (including you Mr. Knowles) that say it's too bad he died because what the fuck will now happen with future Gilliam films or whoever else's movies should be deeply ashamed. Fuck you Knowles, your a coldhearted idiot,a real dumbfuck cartoon. So what if he was a great actor which he surely was. The sadness shouldn't be about you not being able to see future films with Heath Ledger, you fucker. Yes I'm pissed. May the guy rest in peace.
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and deletes all the posts from the sick fucks and bans them for life.
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When I saw the CNN headline I totally expected a car crash or some other accident. We'll know more details in the coming days, but they found sleeping pills near him. Rough stuff, I've always enjoyed him on screen immensely. He was one of the few actors his age who had great talent and versatility aside from being a pretty face.
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You said some nice things, but could you stop thinking about yourself for five minutes? You keep coming back to all the Heath Ledger movies you're not going to get to see. Heath Ledger's life was not about you and your movie world. I can pretty much guarantee that Harry Knowles' feelings were nowhere near Heath's mind when he did what he did. Is it horrible? Yes, it is - because a young father died before his time. The world of movies and the impact of Heath Ledger's death on it is irrelevant. Be a normal fucking human being for five minutes and stop whining about how it's ruining your cinematic experience.
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Whatever the cause, his passing is very sad. I watched Brokeback again last week and his performance in that was brilliant, he was at the top of his game and his role as The Joker had me looking forward to the Dark Knight more than any film this year. My condolences go out to his loved ones
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the academy has just announced your nomination for Lead Talkbacker In a Brainless Not-Getting-It post. Remember: its an honor just being nominated.
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I was too scared and when i say that i tried too kill myself is because i really tried to kill myself. And is the hardest thing to do. Working hard and do your thing in company, is my way to continue. But it's not easy.
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just makes u wanna curse out loud...
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I'm as furious as I was when River Phoenix died. Why do these talented people play with their lives? Damn it. I don't even know what to write.
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Thank you-I've been saying this on here since I heard the news.Movies aren't important at a time like tis.
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an interview Heath did saying that because he was so dedicated to the character of The Joker, that the mindset he was in during filming kept him awake at all hours of the night? And he claimed to be getting little to no sleep? God, I remember it somewhere.
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My point was that information is still coming out. And TMZ is such a credible respected news outlet? Please. Oops, it hasn't been 2 hours yet. so sorry.
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You realize Heath Ledger didn't write that line, as lame as you may personally think it sounds, right? Quoting a random line an actor says in a movie says nothing about the actor's performance. Tool. I knew I shouldn't've browsed this talkback, it's almost more depressing than the news itself.
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First and foremost, RIP. Unless someone's a child molester, violent murderer, etc. I wish for all other troubled souls to find peace upon death.
Second, I appreciate everybody's reaction to this sad news. Some lament the loss of an artist, some lament the loss of a film, some point out the bizzare continuation of Gilliam's "bad luck" others criticise someone for taking drugs. Regardless, I think it's important that we all give each other space to react and feel in our own way, and respect people's differences.
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a really good fan. The difference being your opportunity to jump around shouting "PAY ATTENTION TO ME IN THIS TALKBACK!!!!"go ahead Stewart - show everyone what you can do.
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I don't really care how he exited this world, whether the overdose was accidental or deliberate. He died and it's a fucking tragedy. RIP Heath and God bless.
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Jan 22, 2008 5:09:50 PM CST
I originally thought he wasn't going to do The Joker justice...
by phillyflopper
But after seeing that last trailer, he fuckin' seemed awesome.
I'm not sure what the cause of death was exactly, but it's definitely a sad day.
I don't know if anyone's mentioned it, but this is reminding me of Brandon Lee and The Crow.
Maybe not the death, but just the whole being young and having a role that was creepy and had the face paint and such.
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I'm bummed too, but damn..."the cruel fucking fate of the world that would take an actor..." blah blah and "this world sucks" blah blah bullshit. WTF are you even talking about? People make choices dude. The view that 'the world does this to people' just pisses me off...and I'm pissed enough to know he did this TO HIMSELF, HIS FAMILY, AND HIS LITTLE GIRL. Not to mention hundreds of other people who did the same thing to themselves and THEIR families today. It's just that the unknown ones won't be deprieving us of a Gilliam flick next year. Jesus Fucking H. Christ
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Heath, until I am proven otherwise, chose to medicate a life that should have been reveled in ... soberly.
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Asshole? Really?
Thats a little bit strong, I was just trying to help out.
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you just closed the talkback (i wish). Good post.
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My balding brother, where are you?
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Didn't he attempt suicide last year? Don't get me wrong, I feel bad for the family and friends but I have a hard time feeling sorry for someone who ODs-- and fuck 'em if he committed suicide. Anybody willing to take the cowards way out isn't worth my sorrow.
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http://www.tmz.com/2008/01/22/death-accidental
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Shocking, you wouldn't if it was spears or winehouse. train wrecks. but Ledger, no.
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Not in the drug overdose sense (big diff between sleeping pills at home and a speedball at the Viper Room), but in the sense of a brilliant young actor about to become legendary taken before their prime. I'm in shock. I had to end class early because students were so shook up. If you think that it shouldn't affect people who didn't know him, than you obviously don't understand how celebrity and audience works, or how the process of audience identification works. This is probably going to be one of the saddest celebrity deaths we'll experience for some time. Until the next one. Of course, the practical side wonders about how this will be addressed in the assumed 3rd Batman film? Cut him out? Recast? Aah, fuck it. I think I'm going to hurl.
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Brandon died cause some fucktard loaded a gun with a squib load stuck inside for a scene in a movie. That hardly compairs to deliberate suicide by popping pills.Brandon deserves to be remembered and honored by those who cared. Ledger does not.
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Can't belive this news, hope that his Joker will be a fitting epitaph to an oh too short career
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I'm going to preface this by saying I don't know the first thing about the personal life of Heath Ledger. I don't know whether he was a charming, debonair gentleman or a horrible SOB, or somewhere in between. In any case, it has absolutely no relevance on what I'm about to say. No matter what he was like, he was still a human being who, for whatever reason, couldn't stay with the human race any longer. An entire universe has just been snuffed out, and I find that heartbreaking. But what I find absolutely horrifying is that a man has died, and his obituary on this site mentions how depressed the author is because a few films might get screwed up as a result. Harry, dude, what is WRONG with you?!
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the Joker is what killed him. Just maybe this is where the need for sleeping pills came into play? Just a thought.
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a great talent
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Harry...you do drugs, you take the chance of being dead.
Pretty simple...sympathy = zero.
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According to US magazine.
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I just saw that on Yahoo. That's f'd up.
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People die from pills all the time, even pills that they taken as they are supposed to. You can never be 100% certain how the body will react to any form of medication. Just because they were there doesn't GUARANTEE it was a suicide (or even an accidental OD).
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You sir, are a boil on the arse of the human race. You have no fucking idea what has happened here yet you deign to pronounce judgment. Go fuck thyself.
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...that he took it home with him, in such a way...that...it wouldn't let him rest? We may never know. Unless, somehow, it shows on screen. And if that's the case, his performance may be truly unforgettable.
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According to The Daily Mail (UK newspaper) Ledger spent some time in rehab during the filming of TDK for heroin abuse. A source said Michelle Williams dumped Ledger over his drug abuse.
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There are some rumors floating about that he was found in Mary Kate Olsen's apartment. Don't know how true that is, but those bitches are fucked six ways from Sunday if that's true. Vendetta time, fellas!!!! YEE-HAW!!! Though I do want to pay my respects to Heath, his friends and family. Truly a sad loss for us all. You will be missed, Heath. Rest peacefully.
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This isn't the fate of the world, this is the sad result of Heath's stupid decisions. Heath took drugs, now the drugs have taken him. I agree, it sucks, big time, but everyone knows the risks, and some people, unfortunately, still choose to take drugs in spite of them.
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Or Mick Jagger, Lindsey Lohan, David Lee Roth, just ANYONE that we know SHOULD be dead from all the damned drugs they've taken!
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RIP Heath!
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Right before the release of a hugely anticipated blockbuster film.
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With all his darkest and craziest thoughts while inpersonating the Joker? I wonder if, depending on how the investigation around his death goes (or maybe even by request of his family) that record will ever see the light of day.
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Some comments on here make me sick
A husband/son/dad has just left his family alone
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....that leads to suicidal thoughts,you have NO FUCKING IDEA how it feels.
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I liked the guy's work and he had the potential to do so much more. This is just a shame.
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This has nothing to do with the Olsons you stupid douche.
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I got the text on my phone an hour ago......I liked Ledger...he seemed like a cool guy. I hope you Rest In Peace. And thank you for all your work....
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So sad and very tradgic. Thoughts are with his daughter and family. What a great talent.
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I'm still in shock. What a complete waste!
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who pops sleeping pills at 3:00 in the afternoon before a massage appointment? I thought the pills were designed to make you sleep for like 10 hours.
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That his first TV/Movie role was an australian kids TV show called "Clowning Around"? No joke. Really. This sucks. I never gave him credit as an actor until seeing him in The Dark Knight trailer. At least he's going out with one helluva bang. Can't wait to experience his performance as the Clown Prince of Crime. You're gonna be deeply missed Heath. R.I.P.
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such a damn shame. This will probably mean BIG bucks for The Dark Knight as everyone will want to see his last performance. Too sad though!
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I am a nypd cop and I actually met health a few mounths before he began filming tdk.He was in a minor car accident on the brooklyn bridge(I was posted on the bridge with my partner).naturally, I began geeking out the minute I realized who it was and I immediately began offering my opinions on how i felt he should play the iconic clown prince of crime(judging by the trailer,he will be outstanding).now the poor guy was just in a car accident,he had his girlfriend(michelle williams)in the car and was visably shaken and he I am telling him that I would like to see a menacing joker with a creepy laugh. He would have been totaly justified if he told me to fuck off or if he came off as a typical pretencious hollywood asshole(given the situation).Instead however,he gratiously shook my hand and autographed my memobook.A true gentleman.Sad
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I feel selfish as my first thought was "what about the batman flicks! What about all the amazing characters he would have brought to the screen?" What a bastard I am.. he seemed like a good man, and a good father. He will truly be missed, both in the world of entertainment, but also to the friends and family that he loved and loved him in return. This is a very sad day indeed.
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Is a fucking shitrag
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So sad and very tradgic. Thoughts are with his daughter and family. What a great talent.
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If this pill thing IS true, than as opposed to Harry, I AM pissed at him. I remember my buddy saying both Nolans and the editors at DC said he'd need serious therapy after going to this dark of a place. (God I hope that isn't what did it. No part, no comic, no goddamn thing in this goddamn world is worth that.) For Christ's sake he had a two year old little girl.
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I'm floored! really fucking shocked by this! When Steve Irwin Died I felt the same! I don't know these guys and I'm not like a super devoted fan but they were at the top of their game! What the Fuck!?
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Forever. There's no going back. :: sniff ::
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He's playing such a scary character in The Dark Knight. Watching it is going to be eerie. Hopefully this will not affect the actual film itself. I've heard such great things on his performance, with guys like Gary Oldman and Michael Caine giving him huge praises. They should just leave his performance be and dedicate the film to him. Then let Joker disappear for awhile.
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and you kill yourself...
you are scum plain and simple. Self pity and loathing are pathetic, especially for a person who could have the world at their finger tips. Trying living the life of a normal guy out here. Most hollywood types would survive a day without downing a whole bottle. Oh so tortured and tragic is the life of a budding star and millionare. It makes me sick that we elevate pathetic human beings like this. If this proves to be suicide, which in all likelihood it will, He should be forgotten forever as a pathetic human being not remember and praised. -
F@$#!ing F@#$ F@$#% F@$%^&*!!!!!!!!!!!
This Should not be happening!
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You can't say more than that. Or at least, you shouldn't.
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First official shock of 2008.
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I Had a freind who ODed using a handfull of pills and a bottle of Vodka...this was a good honest person..nothing was wrong but just one day he decided to end it..its sad, very sad and nothing to be laughed at by some scum on this site...
I f Heath Ledger did OD accident or not, he has left behind alot of sad people..his family and friends and to an extent his fans..they would give up all teh fame and money he ever had to have him back this evening..
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heard this on the way home from work, and drove the rest of the way in stunned silence. RIP, heath.
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It's fucking cold and heartless. Not just the mean talkbackers but thw whole world is just sick and wrong. Movies are the only thing that take me away from the mess that we call life. Please just don't post if your gonna be so rude and disrespectful. I write this in tears to you people. It's not funny or clever it just makes this world look like a sick place and it may be so but fans of films and the beauty that we get from enjoying films should not act like such mean bastards.
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I post this for all the assholes who chose to spit on a dead man rather than doing something useful with their lives for a change. Show at least some fuckin respect for his family. THIS IS REAL LIFE !!! A talented young man is dead and nobody should care what happens to BATMAN CONTINUES... I can't fuckin believe that the first reaction after someone's death could be "who the fuck is gonna replace him as the jocker?" And nobody fuckin cares what you think of 30 secondes of his performance you've seen in a trailer. Here is how it works... you see the movie first and when it's finished, now is the time to run home as fast as you can to write how much it sucked.....
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Quote: "This, by the way, as if it matters, kills any interest among the mainstream in your little, mean-spirited Batman movie. Only geeks and ghouls will want to see that now."Wow. A hater to the bitter end, eh? Happy now?
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wtf people? its some rich messed up actor you didnt know who did a couple of decent films....get over it...people are dying all over the world who deserve more sympathy...I dont see anyone all shook up about them. this fucking media/star worship sickens me. he had a daughter and should have had his shit together. fucking asshole. accidental sleeping pill overdose my ass.
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Agree Rainesmaker. Fan of his work, but stupid remarks like Harry's "I'm so pissed about this. Not at Heath - but at the cruel fucking fate of the world that would take an actor at his absolute prime" is about as stupid as it gets. Whether his death was intentional or not, guy had a 2 year old daughter to think about. And the movie he's agreed to work on is now f*cked which costs tons of crew people their jobs and paychecks. What a selfish, irresponsible dirtball to be messing around with drugs when he put himself in a position where people rely on him like that. "The world did not take him." The moron took himself and f*cked a lot of people in the process, not the least of which is his two year old daughter.
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I don't even know If I'll be able to enjoy The Dark Knight now :-)
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Holy shit we don't even know what happened. Stop passing judgment shithead until we know what's going on.
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You will not be forgotten. R.I.P
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... can we whack them anyway, just on general principle? (Yeah, graveyard humor... whattaya gonna do?)
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...but this is really bumming me out. i guess i always thought of Ledger as one of those actors that was good, but one we had yet to see do his best work. he was definitely NOT on my top ten list of actors who will be dead in the next year...so sad.
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but life will go on. That's what it does. We'll all go see The Dark Knight when it comes out. We'll all hopefully enjoy the movie and Ledgers performance in it. R.I.P sir.
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I was wondering who would be the first to post this kind of post."if its suicide fuck him. blah blah blah" you don't know what you are talking about. It would be nice to be perfect like you and not have any mental issues and not have to suffer from feeling so ba on a daily basis that you can't imagine facing another day. Spending weeks in a bed unable to get out...can't eat....you just want to sleep your life away but guess what... suffering from depression is a fucking mental disorder that you have no control over no matter what you say or how you see it. from someone who has attempted suicide my advice to you would be to shut your fucking yapping trap until you know what the fuck you are talking about you uppity prick.
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why? I'm just gut wrenched about this.
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What the fuck! This is totally screwed. Why does every young Hollywood actor/actress have to be so hard core with the dope? Smoke a fucking joint, you idiots, it won't kill you! I'm still sorry for Heath's family, especially that little girl. Fuck!
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Where is the coverage on these channels about this? If there is something important happening with politicians CNN is on it all day long. Hollywood just lost one of it's up and coming greats... where's the coverage..? Thank Goodness we've all got AICN! Oh and by the way Heath.. RIP, i hope you knew Christ!
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I just can't believe what I am seeing on the news. Was just watching RTE news here in Ireland and it was the 1st thing they reported on. To say this is fucked up is an understatement. No doubt there will be more to this over the next while. I will be glued to this site
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I was just starting to like him as an actor but people need to get real. It is nonsense like what Harry typed about the cruel fate taking him from us that leads to this kind of nonsense. Fate didn't kill him, drugs did. Fate gave him a movie career, a two year old daughter, and a lifestyle most of us wish we had. Taking all personal responsibility from him is wrong. Rest in peace Heath, thanks for some great films.
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"Whether his death was intentional or not..." WTF? I'm taking away your Human Being badge. You fucking douchebags don't know what happened yet but you don't mind dumping all over him. What the fuck is so hard about waiting to pass judgment until we know what the fuck is going on? Fucking jerks.
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I admit I never was a fan of Ledger, but I was hearing (and seeing) good things about his performance TDK which I am EAGERLY anticipating. So this news is very sad. And a big screw you to the assholes in this thread who are saying stupid shit. Bet you'd love to hear the same vitriol if someone you knew died.
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RIP.... wow, I thought this was all a joke but it's real... I'm shocked... Great in Brokeback Mountain...
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what a couple of shitheads.
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Paragraph 1, the news.
Paragraph 2 "I met him"
Paragraph 3 "What about Dark Knight post production"
Paragraph 4 "What about Terry Gilliams new film"
Paragraph 5 "He has a 2 year old daughter".
You are sick you put your concerns about a fucking Batman film that is in the can 2 paragraphs before a 2 year old who is now fatherless? Hang your head in shame, this site always reads like its been written by mysoginist 12 year olds but for Christ's sake an actual person is dead and an actual person who is real has lost their daddy and you are worried about a fucking film. Hang your head in shame. I'm sever coming to this shit site again.
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This is really horrible news. I still can't believe it, RIP Heath...and condolences to his daughter and ex...so fucken horrible.
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He said he's most disappointed he didn't get to read Mori's review of Cloverfield before he died.
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Paragraph 1, the news.
Paragraph 2 "I met him"
Paragraph 3 "What about Dark Knight post production"
Paragraph 4 "What about Terry Gilliams new film"
Paragraph 5 "He has a 2 year old daughter".
You are sick you put your concerns about a fucking Batman film that is in the can 2 paragraphs before a 2 year old who is now fatherless? Hang your head in shame, this site always reads like its been written by mysoginist 12 year olds but for Christ's sake an actual person is dead and an actual person who is real has lost their daddy and you are worried about a fucking film. Hang your head in shame. I'm never coming to this shit site again.
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Your drug of choice is food, and it is just as dangerous as drugs. You posted a trailer for a movie a few days ago that has all the information about that subject that you need to STOP KILLING YOURSELF. If you died tomorrow, do you know that not a single person would be surprised? Doesn't that scare you? Doesn't that say something about your choices? Learn from this. Your cases are a lot less different than you think.
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But seriously folks... this is very sad. Lets all wait for a cause of death before we agree how awful drugs are.
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AS SAD AS IT MAY BE, WE ALL GOTTA GO. FUCKED UP THING IS...WE DON'T KNOW OUR TIME OR THE METHOD IN WHICH WE WILL GO...WELL...UNLESS IT'S SUCIDED. ANYWAYS...WHEN THE STORY BROKE ON CNN, I WAS HOPING IT'D BE BRITNEY SPEARS...GOTTA FEELING SHE WON'T LIVE PAST 2008. WELL...WE CAN ALL FORGET ABOUT THE DARK KNIGHT IN MAY.
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Ledger was an actor that was growing slowly on the collective unconscious of the moviegoing audience. He didn't make headlines for either bad-boy shenanigans, artistic lunacy, or over-hyped political ravings. He was just a good actor who was quietly working his craft. While I've been looking forward to The Dark Knight for ages, I think it's a shame he will now forever be best known for reinventing The Joker. I think some of his lower-profile roles deserve to be mentioned in this space: Bob Dylan in I'm Not There. Skip in Lords of Dogtown. Harry Faversham in The Four Feathers.
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How fucking dare you even make such judgements WITHOUT knowing anything other than the gossip and rumors you've been fed off the news.The movie is NOT fucked but altogether, that's not really what most people with a shred of decency should be concerning themselves with.It's a travesty that dirtbags like you are even allowed to breathe.
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Rest in Peace Heath
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Listen, calling me a vagina does not explain how a bank robber and a drug addict, if in fact thats what he is, which may not even be the case, are even in the same league. Drug addiction is a serious illness beyond the control of the majority of those afflicted with it. I'm sorry if my comments offended you, you fat fuck, but you responded exactly as I would've hoped. How does it feel to have someone say something to or about you that you feel is unwarranted? How do you think his family would feel to read something like "he made his own choice" or "he did this to himself"? What if he died from a complication due to an undiagnosed allergy? What the fuck then, you sub-human piece of shit?
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How you cocksuckers are all high and mighty here. The comments I've seen from you assholes at times would make the hair on Robin Williams' toes curl.
You have your opinion, I have mine. Mine is an extreme opinion and I firmly believe in it. If he did indeed overdose, then HE GOT WHAT HE DESERVED.
I've had loss, I laugh at life and move on. The way you assholes are carrying on you'd think you were Heath's butt-buddies.
Or, continue whining as you must. I'm sure the news will be littered with bullshit about this MEDIOCRE actor for weeks.
We'll see discussions on all the entertainment shows about what a loss this is to the world and how there will be so many roles we won't get to see himm in.
Bill "Dickhead" O'Reilly will have a show about drugs in Hollywood and how actors are giving our kids the wrong message.
Radio talk shows will compare his death to Princess Di or River Phoenix (as many of you dipshits have) and how Heath's death will have a positive/negative affect on today's media/society.
Fuck Ledger. What about his daughter? WHAT ABOUT HER? Who gives a fuck about "le movies 'ee will nevAR make". How can he put himself in a position to make his daughter live her life without a father?
He's nothing more than a MEDIOCRE actor who was fucking a living skeleton and overdosed on sleeping pills/smack/cocaine/sugar water/Diet Dr. Pepper.
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Uhhh, did you read the rest of what I wrote? The point was that he had no business messing around with drugs when so many people relied on him - especially his daughter - as everyone knows the risks involved with drugs. That doesn't make me inhuman, it makes him, at best, selfish and irresponsible.
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And I'm certainly not going to judge anyone for taking their own life since I understand how it feels to contemplate your own death every fucking day and the depair that hounds your thoughts constantly. However, I CAN blame the father of a young child for being so irresponsible. I just can't feel sorry for him the way Harry does (assuming it was an illegal drug overdose) when he has such a young child to look after. Yes, I feel for his family and I'm angered by the loss of such a talented actor but that's as far as it goes. He fucked up and paid the price - unfortunately so did everyone else around him.
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Prayers to Ledger's family and friends. Difficult times lie ahead for them. He was a good actor, in the prime of his life. This is sad news. I am looking forward to his interpretation of the Joker in the upcoming Batman flick. Everyone will always be able to enjoy him thru his memorable performances in "Monster Ball" , "The Patriot" , and of course "Brokeback Mountain". Peace.
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I was looking forward to what he was going to become. It's a damn shame and it aint sunk in yet. No fucking way.
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Ledger was already in the big league but he had the potential to be RIGHT UP THERE among the very best. So young. So sad. We must all revel in his performance in The Dark Knight. Hopefully he has ended his career with his finest. 'Why so serious?' because something serious has indeed happened.
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it is still sad. Anyway, drugs are dangerous but they are used responsibly by many people. I agree with Harry that fate fucked all of us by taking Mr Ledger away so early. It is sad to lose a damn fine artist regardless of the cause.
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sad indeed.
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Sad news. He was a very exciting actor with a great deal going for him. Difficult to comprehend how it must be for his family, and of course the fact he has a 2 year old makes it even more heartbreaking. Everyone I know is genuinely upset at the news. And more than that, they are shocked - seems to come completely out of the blue, particularly with what could well have been his big turning point as an actor coming up with the release of The Dark Knight. May Mr Ledger rest in peace.
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This is a truly sad event. It's tragic for his daughter, his family and his loved ones.
As for RainesMaker and people of his ilk:
Show some respect. The man is dead. We don't know what happened yet, it's too early to make any sort of judgement whatsoever. I do know that CNN is reporting that the pills were over-the-counter sleep aids, so it's still totally posible that it was an accident. But, accident or no, either suicide or an OD hardly makes someone "scum". Having no sympathy for someone who might have been in a tremedous amount of pain, on the other hand....
Look, the only people who have any cause to hate Ledger are his family and his child. THAT'S IT. Everyone else, you didn't know him, you didn't know what was going on in his life, you have NO right to judge him.
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To look at Ledger's filmography he wasn't in a ton of great movies, but he was definitely a movie star who was in the process of turning himself into a truly great actor. He was starting to make challenging, unconventional choices with his roles and it sucks that we'll never see where he was going to take his career. And on a side note - is this part of God's continuing vendetta against Terry Gilliam? Seriously.
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Jan 22, 2008 5:38:49 PM CST
Hope he was so into his Joker role he pulled off a knee slapper
by guy who got a headache and accidentally
Just like Andy Kaufman
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Jan 22, 2008 5:38:53 PM CST
"I'll shit a living walrus out my butt if this is part of a vira
by breotan
There are people who'd pay to see that. Myself being one. :)
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You don't know he was messing around with drugs yet you twit! Wait until we find out what's going on, douche.
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"I've suffered from deep depression and drug abuse..."Yeh right. And I've got a solid gold cock.If you've been in that situation, or known anyone in that situation, you know that most of the time they actually BELIEVE that they're doing their loved ones a favour by killing themselves.So please, don't try to sugar coat your ignorance with a claim to have even known what that poor lad must have been experiencing.
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I seriously can't believe this, he was just hitting the peak of his talent and career. My deepest sympathies to his family, and especially his daughter, as that's the real tragedy here. Peace to everyone.
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I CANT FUCKING BELIEVE THIS I DNT CARE IF I MAKE ANY SPELLING MISTAKES AND IF ANY ONE POINTS THEM OUT THEN FUCK YOU! I HOPE YOU ROT IN HELL! THIS IS A HUGE UNFUCKING MEASURABLE LOSS TO EVERYONE! I DONT UNDERSTAND THIS KIND OF THING! I DONT FOR ONE SECOND THINK BADLY OF hEATH IF HE WAS IN THAT PLACE WE CANT EVEN DARE BLAME HIM! BUT FUCK WHY! IF ANYTHING THIS SHOULD JUDT PROVE, IF HE DID INFACT TAKE HIS LIFE, THAT SOMETIMES PEOPLE NEED HELP! WE HAVE TO TRY AND RECOGNISE THIS! IF ANY OF YOU PEOPLE HAVE A FRIEND OR A PARTNER OR A FAMILY MEMBER THAT SEEMS DOWN, YOU MUST! AND I MEAN MUST TALK TO THEM TRY EVERYTHING IN YOUR POWER TO HELP! IF SOMEONE AS TALENTED AND WITH SO MUCH GOING FOR HIM CAN END UP FEELING LIKE THERE IS NO OTHER WAY OUT IMAGINE WHAT ORDINARY PEOPLE WITH ORDINARY LIVES MUST FEEL LIKE! WE HAVE BEEN ROBBED OF A TRULY TALENTED PERSON BUT I'M NOT THINKING OF US NOW I'M THINKING OF HIS LITTLE GIRL WHO MUST GROW UP WITHOUT HER DAD AND SOMEDAY DEAL WITH THIS! HEATH YOU WHERE A TRUE STAR AND SOMEONE WHO REALLY SEEMED TO BE IN THIS BUSINESS TO ACT! TO DISCOVER AND TO EXPLORE MAN NOT FOR THE FAME AND NOT FOR THE GLORY! THERE ARE FEW I CAN THINK OF OUT THERE THAT COULD CLAIM AS MUCH WE HAVE ALL LOST SOMETHING TODAY. R.I.P, Good night sweet prince,
And may flights of angels sing you to your rest.
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Hi Johnnykool. You aren't kool. You are a dickhead. Give it a few days at least man before you say 'Fuck Ledger'. That really is totally over the top and unecessary. Also, can I ask what you mean by the supposedly French phonetics you write in the phrase '"le movies 'ee will nevAR make"' - what does this mean? Is it some fantastically clever joke about French people being gay? If so, then well done. You are really really funny.
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of their game. Height of his career. On a totally unrelated note... Peter Fonda in ION TV's Journey to the Center of the Earth. Good for you!!!
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...someday Ledger's daughter will come to this site, read all the shit people are talking about her father, and take out a voodoo curse on the lot of you sorry bastards. That is all.
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If it had been jenna Bush or Chuck Norris or someone Harry doesn't like---the jokes would be pouring forth like a river--a River Phoenix. This is sad--a waste--a shame--but a tragedy? Please. James Dean-tragedy- Lennon-Tragedy. Axl Rose- tragedy (not dead? Ok strike that one. ) Mark Hamill---save Dark Knight!!
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"Stevie Ray Vaughn is dead ... and we can't get Bon Jovi on a helicopter" "Motley Crue would never overdose ... you could put them in a room full of coke, and they'd come out later saying 'We're going to do a live album'"
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"Everyone else, you didn't know him, you didn't know what was going on in his life, you have NO right to judge him."We have every right to judge him.
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will this be another documentary for terry gilliam? sorry but ...the thoughts...
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ok, so if we didn't know him, we're not allowed to mourn. But, as movie fans posting on a movie site, if we wonder about his film projects, we're being selfish and heartless. As usual, it's the AICN talkback no-win scenario. Why is it so hard to understand that people will be upset by this. Actors are both human beings with personal flaws like the rest of us, AND cultural icons that inhabit our unconscious realms, who play characters we identify with, whose larger than life presence can affect those who are influenced by the medium of film. Even if we don't know them personally. If you've somehow managed to remain intellectually and emotionally resistant to the culture of celebrity, than good for you - you're one of the strong, few. Or maybe you're even resistant to the idea of people feeling empathy for a human being whose story is writ large upon our cultural consciousness. I'm sure those of you who are must feel proud of your rugged individualism and ability to reject the lure of popular culture. Or maybe you just lack empathy. If so, you'll never get it, and I feel sad for you. But I don't think the concept is so hard to understand if you have any emotions at all.
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You know, I'm sitting here in a state of stunned disbelief at the moment. Now normally when I hear about someone, Hollywood actor or otherwise, dying of a drug overdose my initial reaction is usually one of who gives a fuck. People off-ing themselves through drug abuse does not rate high on my sympathy scale in comparison to, for example, crack babies dying in fires or the people of Darfur living in a genocidal region of the globe where everyday above ground is a blessing. Yet I sit here and am fairly pissed off/slightly depressed over the loss of this actor. Why? Because this guy showed amazing promise down the road with his level of talent. I mean, he was only 28 for Christ's sake! He was only gonna get better and that's a really, really sad thing. From what I've seen of him in the limited bits and pieces from the Dark Knight, his portrayal of the Joker was going to be nothing short of a revelation, and this is coming from a guy who, when Ledger was first announced as landing the part, had the initial reaction of WTF? "There is nothing in this world as sad as wasted talent"; wise words my friend Bobby D, wise words indeed.
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I'm sick of all these fools already tearing him apart saying "he killed himself when he has a daughter" or some such crap.
We don't know what happened. However, I will make a guess, that is just as likely as anything else.
Reports now are that OVER THE COUNTER sleeping pills were found. He also was discovered by a housekeeper who was waking him up for a massuese appoint. Rather than saying "he committed suicide" it's just as likely to say that he felt like crap, was sore and tired, and scheduled a massusse to rub some sore muscles, and then took some pills to help him sleep. Indeed, it's quite possible that he usually didn't take pills and did what many people do - think "more is better" and took a few too many. It is easier than some people think to accidentally kill yourself with OTC stuff.
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Stop moping about, talking about how cruel life is. The cruelty here was the selfish behavior of a grown man who was completely inconsiderate of the effects his actions would have on his daughter. You say you are not pissed at Ledger, but he is the only one to be pissed at. Life did not cause this. Fate did not cause this. God did not cause this. Hollywood did not cause this. The "pressures" of being a millionaire paid to play pretend in front of a camera did not cause this. Not even Bush caused this. This was caused by Heath Ledger. My sincere condolences go out to his family and friends, but it is foolish to portray Ledger as some sort of fucking victim in this scenario, unless there is evidence of foul play.
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I hope this is some sick publicity stunt, because he really is a good actor with lots of promise. If this is not a publicity stunt he's going to miss so much of his daughter's life and just miss out on life itself.
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You made no sense whatsoever.
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This really is a shame. He was such a great actor, even in so-so movies like A Knights Tale, he turned in a great performance. I'm just glad that this (apparently) won't affect TDK, as all signs point to him being amazing in it.
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Jan 22, 2008 5:48:09 PM CST
Denis Leary was ripping off Bill Hicks
by guy who got a headache and accidentally
Who DIED TOO YOUNG and was way more talented and creative and a positive force for GOOD in the Universe
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If all these stories about how the role of the Joker affected him mentally keep coming up and are played over and over, and given how the media just loves to carpet bomb the public with any celebrity gossip they can, I'd like to see how Warner handles releasing the Dark Knight in the wake (pun intended) of the publicity. While it may be somewhat insensitive to think about things like that at a time like this, all apologies, but we all wanted to see this film in a few months, and I dont see how Warner can spin this unless they try to hold it up as "His Last Great Role". But then again, Warner=Time/Warner, which signs the checks of a lot of media companies. I bet the phones start ringing in the newsrooms pretty quick telling them to kill any story related to the Joker role affecting him negatively.
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ok, I'm going to speak for all the working actors out there and throw out a big 'fuck you'! Acting is a job like any other, with its required skills and challenges. It's not play. It's work.
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RIP dude.
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. . . funny, she was just as concerned about THE IMAGINARIUM OF DOCTOR PARNASSUS as Harry.
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to wonder about what's now going to happen to The Dark Knight. This is going to go down as Heath's last performance. It's a role he spent a great deal on. It was his craft. We are all hoping for the best.
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First Brad Renfro, and now this? Who's next? If it was drugs, I just don't understand why. In Renfro's case, although it was still no excuse, it was easy to see why he would have been lured into that hell, but Heath was on the money right now. An A list actor (well, in my opinion anyway) with a family and a successful film career. Just doesn't make sense. And it's a fucking shame that we're losing another great. Here's to you and yours Mr. Ledger, you will be missed. Peace.
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Is that, when Renfro's death was announced, I was like.. "Brad Who? Junkie. Who cares? Fuck him.".. you know why? Because I'm a fucking idiot. Anyway, this is not even a little bit about me, but HONESTLY, and with ALL DO RESPECT to his family and loved ones, I AM feeling more for the loss of the profesional. I'm sad about how much of his perfomances I'll never be able to see, and that includes a possible Batman 3. I'm being completely honest here, I didn't knew the guy personally, I was not his friend. So I'd be a fucking liar and a douche if I said I was feeling THAT kind of pain.
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Jan 22, 2008 5:50:39 PM CST
No sympathy. He's going to hell, to burn for eternity next to Br
by w3bzpinn3r
Suicide is a chicken-shit way of dealing with things.
He's a coward. He abandoned all those around him with a selfish, spiteful act. His poor daughter has to live with the stigma of a cowardly father. I only feel sorry for her. Ledger can burn in hell for all I care. -
Sorry if I'm not making sense. TO be honest, I probably agree with nearly everything you say! I just feel it's probably best to give it perhaps more than 3 and a half hours before saying 'Fuck Heath'. He may indeed have brought it on himself, but it's far too easy just to dismiss the whole thing immediately. Maybe let's wait until we have all the facts. Does that make sense?
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You're wrong about me so shut the fuck up. Also re-read what I said, it wasn't a post about me criticizing suicide but the irresponsibility behind HIS actions. Also, not everyone believes they are doing the right thing for their family by killing themself so stop.
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is it me or is there something very sad about young hollywood these days, i had ledger pegged as a brando caliber talent...is it really worth ending up as a farewell on the oscars as opposed a recipient...what a complete waste
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Just from the trailer. "Why..so...serious?!?" "Come on, HIT ME!", etc. It's cruel how he is gone at such a young age. My best wishes to his family.
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stay in UK...was waiting on Film 2008 to come on "Viewers please note this program was recorded previous to the death of the hollywood actor, Heath Ledger"
Felt sick with shock. This guy was awesome. What a tradegy, regardless of the cause. My thoughts are with his family. It really is so sad that someone so young and talented has gone.
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Jan 22, 2008 5:51:57 PM CST
Although it's called an "overdose" right now... it might not be.
by pomophobe
It could be a s simple as a combination of medication. It's a bit early to call it an overdose, maybe it's an accidental one. We don't know...
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half of you people were calling heath out when he made out with a dude in that other movie, now you are all his best friends. Tell me this, would all these people being writing R.I.P. Keath if he wasnt Joker in teh new Batman? i highly doubt it.
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...I have watched this site for 8 years now. And my first post is simply this;
http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/movies/753159,ledgernov012208.article
The last sentence is either going to very sad to read, or very infuriating. As a fan of fearless cinema, this was an ambitious artist. What drives people to these career paths? When your life is about creating drama, sometimes that drama comes back in spades. Reality indeed. -
He was still a human being who died so let's at least respect his death. It's fucking ignorant to be fighting how he died when they haven't even been able to officially examine his body. It's also really disrespectful because there's people who care about him who have to find out from the fucking news and all their speculation. Nobody has any right to go after him because nobody will ever know what he was going through to lead to this.
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Heath was actually a friend of a friend back in his 'Roar' days, he had a bit of an ego, was very serious, but I guess you have to be like that, especially as a young actor. He was also known to dabble in drugs, but was never part of "the scene", and was never anything but a casual user, and even then only low end type stuff. He is not someone that I ever would have guessed would have gone out via OD, ever. It's just...wow. Sad stuff, great actor, gone way too young. Guess it just goes to show, you never know the demons that people carry with them daily, all you ever get to see is the fascade they use to cover them up with, some more successfully than others. This is River Pheonix all over again, a real waste.
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Yes, that makes sense.
I have a sinus infection and need to pay a couple of bills.
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I don't know why; maybe because he was on the brink of greatness, or maybe because it's so out of the blue, but this hit me hard.
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This is an unfortunate incident but why does Harry always have to use it to let us know he's met celebrities? He did the same thing when Brad Renfro passed. People were flaming JJ Abrams for doing something for someone else, saying it was for publicity. Maybe, but Harry fucking does it ALL THE TIME!!! And this time, when it's a posting about someone passing away no less.
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Heath. Brad Refro. Cheney Kley of DARKNESS FALLS six months ago. Owen Wilson's attempt. Twenty something year old millionaire/or at least successful actors -- good looks, beautiful women in their lives, dream projects -- we who read AICN and dream of their lives --"accidental" ODs or on purpose -- what makes them do it? Could it be that the dream life isn't what we expect? I went through this when Brandon Lee, a semi-friend, died. Tragic. Before his time. There seems to be a pall cast on this filmmaking generation. Dudes, we have to turn this around. Revel in the amazingness of what we get to do! Jesus! The Strike has been depressing me, but this is a wake up call. This biz is make believe. Death is real. Drugs can kill. They have killed some of our best and brightest. Depression is real. One mistake can be Final. Fuck the ADR on DARK KNIGHT. Heath is really dead. His little daughter will have to deal with the loss of her father. That means more than any Batman sequel... Sad... I've been here since AICN started, but this is my first post. Forgive any awkward prose.
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I reckon above all else this was accidental. I may have called Heath a cunt, but I have no doubt, until proven otherwise, his death was accidental. Lay off your moral flogging W3bzpinn3r et al.
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Jan 22, 2008 5:54:39 PM CST
I'm going to pretend to be an unsympathetic asshole, I'm cool
by guy who got a headache and accidentally
See, I'm like John Wayne or George Bush, I'm a big tough guy see? Impressed yet? I bet your impressed, looking into computer machine, reading my messages. Impressed with my tough stance on the world. Yeah, I'm going to smoke all you weak liberals who are strong on sympathy and therefore terrorism out of your holes. We're coming for you. And Ghandi? Fuck that guy.
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Really sad, but apparently of his own doing. I feel more for his wife and daughter, who are now without a father because he popped too many pills :/ Had this been a sudden, freak car accident, or murder, sentiments would be drastically different.
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Another great young actor taken in his prime.
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Cool interview about playing the Joker. He's fidgety as hell.
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Self-aggrandizing much?
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Our thoughts and prayers are with you Heath.
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cool glad we're friends now. peace!
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Ouch. So random. I loved him since The Patriot. Great performance there. I have read in some interviews that he said The Dark Knight was the most grueling role hed ever had. Do you think being put into a Dark state of mind helped this? Or just drug lust? Man he was a favorite of mine. About to hear about him on TMZ. RIP
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Such a talented, smart performer in the world of film is lost. What sucks too is he was one of the few pretty boys I actually enjoyed watching in pretty much every film he was in. This is horrible. Rest in peace man, you will be missed by many, many people.
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Not here, only in real life.
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I dug that show mostly because it was all Celtic-y. And ok, time to stop ripping on Harry. Whether you like it or not, he is a substantial presence (no joke there, really) in the entertainment scene, so he's going to have interacted with quite a few people involved in that scene. Harry writes out of his experience, so of course he's going to mention that interaction. It's not a name-dropping thing. It's a "and here's my experience" thing. You don't get many people in this business who's one of us (movie geeks) and 'knows' these people AND is low key and frank about his opinions. I, for one, am grateful. Thanks, Harry, for your candor.
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Fate is a random heart attack or stroke, something out of the blue. Drug overdose is suicide as far as I'm concerned, and that's what it sounds like. I liked the guy, still remember him on 'Roar', he made some very good movies, I was really looking forward to him as the Joker, but drug overdose is not 'fate', it's stupidity.
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ignore the knockers.
I thought your words were warm.
This news has me reeling as it does you and a lot of us.
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Peace, love, and chicken grease!
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I don't know how anyone could be so cruel as to suggest he "deserved what he got" because of the drug involvement. Yes, drugs are horrid, but let's face it, life can be horrid and some people turn to drugs to cope with it. He wasn't a saint, he was a flawed human being like the rest of us. How dare anyone judge this poor guy, whose death is nothing other than a freakin sickening, unnecessary tragedy. Besides which, apparently it was just prescription sleeping pills, people. It wasn't illegal drugs, he wasn't shooting up or anything, and for all we know it may have been a horrible freaking accident. My heart goes out to poor Michelle Williams and their daughter. Jesus Christ this is horrific.
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Great name. Helluva name.
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...brings out the worst kind of talkbacker, the fucking odious turds who can't wait to tell the world how they have no sympathy for a person they perceive as weak or morally deficient based on the one shred of alleged information they picked up from the AP wire. You know who deserves no sympathy or basic common decency? You same sanctimonious fuckers. I don't care if you cured the common cold and volunteer in leper colonies, to show up in an obit article with the sole purpose of expressing disdain for the a person who lost the fight with their own demons, based solely on your unbelievably arrogant, self-centered opinion that anyone you judge to be weaker than yourself deserves their cold grave, and then to go further and hide such gleeful callousness behind a mock concern for the dead man's family, well, suffice it to say that I can't think of any better candidates-- not even drug users or suicides-- with which to populate Hell. I hope one day you fuckers find out what real inescapable despair tastes like, and you're met with indifferent shrugs and the exact replies you've posted in this talkback. Sorry to do this here but it needed to be said. RIP Heath. -
the initial reports were that there were some over-the-counter sleeping pills near his bed, not that there were pills scattered all over the room. for all we know, this could mean they were in the packaging, in a fucking drawer. who DOESN'T have over-the-counter sleeping pills near their bed??
the point is, we have zero idea what caused his death, but because the word "pills" was mentioned, we've got a nasty game of telephone going on. it could have nothing to do with drugs, or everything to do with drugs. nobody here has a clue, so don't pretend that you do.
and fuck off with the ignorant "no sympathy if it was drugs" bullshit. people who have drug problems are people who need help. it's sad, and they do deserve some degree of pity. not to the point where they should be babied and have their hand held, but maybe some effort should be made to try to understand what circumstances a person is trying to escape through drugs. yes, it's true that a person chooses to use drugs - but don't pretend to know what might be going on in that person's life and mind.
same with a suicide - to actually, physically go against the natural will to live, you have to be in some severe pain. is it selfish if you have a family? absolutely. but it ain't black and white. this immediate "no sympathy" reaction is what's truly selfish.
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I didn't say "everyone" believes they're doing their families a favour. I said alot do. You'd actually know that if you'd read it properly and took time to digest the information instead of jumping to conclusions; you do alot of that don't you? I actually laugh when i see people say "it's a cowards way out". Really? A cowards way eh? Have a think about how much you must hate your fucking life if you can actually find the courage to end it; be it by shooting yourself in the head, throwing yourself off a building or even taking an OD.I'll stand by what I said. You're a tool and you don't have the first fucking clue of what you're harping on about.
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You guessed it. Go fuck yourself.
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A super talent absolutely lost. Tragic. Sad. Hope there are answers coming and that this isn't left unexplained. Reminds me of River Phoenix more than anything else.
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"half of you people were calling heath out when he made out with a dude in that other movie, now you are all his best friends."
This of course was information culled from the highly-scientific (and famous) joevfx poll, accurate with a .5% fraction for error. You're a joke. Why don't you take a minute and think about Heath Ledger and his family instead of wanking on people who post here? I think it's complete common sense that one doesn't have to be friends with a guy to feel sorry for him. Jerk. -
He was awesome in Knight's Tale, The Patriot, and of course Brokeback Mountain, but his turn as the Joker is already looking like his defining role. It's gonna be hard watching Dark Knight on opening day. He will be missed.
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http://defamer.com/347793/heaths-body-leaves-421-broome
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looks like we both got disgusted with this talkback at around the same point.
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Here's another "River Phoenix"...
A young good talented actor, gone before his time.
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Similar make up. Anything in common? Id laugh to say that ONLY playing dark roles for blockbusters is a curse but ever since we saw the Jokers make up people have been saying it was Crow-esk
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At least his greatest movie will be his last, even though he won't be around to see it. I guess the jokers not laughing anymore. I guess it also means he won't be starring with is buddy Jake in the sequel to Brokeback Mountain...Bisexual Butt Lovers, it was to be the story of the 2 guys and their wives dealing with the fact that the guys love ramming each other in the ass than baning their own wives. The wives try and get thier men back by baning them in the ass with strap on's but the men say there's nothing like the real thing. Hopefully the value of The Dark Knight movie posters will go up in value (yes I got 'em. All in all Heath was a cool dude, and contrary to what was said before, he never married Michelle Williams. She was sweet and a piece of ass, when she gets back from sundance I'm gonna drop her a line. On a serious note I first met Heath during the filming of 10 things I hate about you, I was an extra in the film it was fun, especially the part where I made out with Julia Stiles, she's a real doll, as much as I wanted something more to happen nothing did, but that chick that played her sister in the movie was sweet for me as was I for her and I must say she's definately in my top 5 of women I've done things with that can't be described on here.Well I'm gonna watch some movies tonight, Dead Silence, Better off Dead, Death Sentence, The quick and the Dead, Dead poets Society,Dead mans walk and Kiss of Death. In closing I'd just like to say the lessons we learn from pain are the ones that make us the stongest and if you're gonna mix drugs with alcohol, don't mix the ones that are gonna kill you.
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Probably.
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troubled guy. From what i have read. a couple of years ago I think he had some sort of nervous break down. Heath ledger found it very difficult to escape The straight jacket of hollywood casting and rebelled against the hunk type of roles that hollywood wanted to him to play. the good looking blond haired blue eyed type of thing. He wanted to do darker stuff. he did stuff like the sin eater which bombed. He found the pressure of fame very difficult and it took a huge toll on his marraige. his marraige seemed to be goign fine. but it collapsed. His last role was the joker. Drugs kill you. I wont be suprised if we read tomorrow that Amy winegouse snuffs it. But heath ledger i believe was a very troubled individual and i dont think he ever got over the collapse of his marriage.
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yeah, fidgety's putting it mildly. But when he said, 'probably the most fun I ever will have' on a role, in reference to the Joker, I almost broke up. So fucking sad.
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If his performance is half as good as what I've seen on the trailer and what Michael Caine had to say about it is true, it could be a fitting swansong.
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If I was always jumping to conclusions I would have been greeting good ol Heath today.
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Learn to read.
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Jan 22, 2008 6:06:39 PM CST
James Dean's character in Giant = The Joker
by guy who got a headache and accidentally
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Ok, this is how it works. Pay close attention.
1) Heartfelt condolences to his friends and family, especially his daughter. It doesn't matter how/why he died, they deserve our sympathy and support
2) Prayers for his soul/spirit/chi/etc, if you're of a religious persuasion
3) If you are someone who is neither a friend or family member of Heath, and you feel emotionally distraught, you need to get a grip fast. His death in no way effects you, and you acting like it does just reveals how self-centered you are. We don't know what else he would've done in his career. We don't know what the entertainment world missed out on. But to act like this is a tragedy for you cheapens both the situation and his life. He didn't die so you'd have an excuse to cry.
4) If you're angry at Heath because you think he killed himself (accidentally or otherwise), you too need to get a grip. By expressing outrage you too are revealing yourself as self-centered. No one cares that you have no respect for those that kill themselves or use drugs or what have you.
Every death sucks. Ask not for whom the bell tolls etc. The best thing we can all do is lend sympathy where it is needed, and exercise restraint where it is warranted. Some of you definitely need to work on the latter. -
I know Heath was a great actor and his death has pretty much shocked me more than any celebrity dieing ever has before. But I am truly amazed at the reactions in the talk back. So many people have been brought together and are sending out their condolences, that it is really amazing to me.
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Wow. The absurdity of the ambulance guys having trouble with the gurney. In the midst of death, there's the mundane. Reminds me of 'The Body,' the brilliant Buffy episode that deals with the same thing. Death is fucking weird.
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Jan 22, 2008 6:08:19 PM CST
FACTS HERE: Accidental, was in cardiac arrest when found, pills
by the only woj
community.livejournal.com / ohnotheydidnt / 19614168.html
has a rundown of all of it there
His role as the Joker was so troubling and demonic to him that he had trouble sleeping at night.
"physically and mentally draining"
"i took one ambien and it didnt work. i took a second and i fell asleep only to wake up an hour later."
-rough quote from an interview about being the joker
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Like Harry, I first saw Heath Ledger in A Knight’s Tale. I’m not sure what got me interested in seeing that film, really. Maybe it was boredom or perhaps my wife persuaded me, but I do remember how I felt at the end, when the credits rolled. I absolutely loved it! I loved the message that a man can defy the odds and stand against his detractors, those would bring him to his knees, and change the stars. I loved the message and I loved the heartfelt, unabashedly cornball approach. From that moment, Heath was on my theatrical radar.As time went on, I had forgotten about Heath. When you get to be as old as me, you tend to be busy with jobs, family, and kids, and not necessarily in that order. It was then that I saw Lords of Dogtown. By all accounts, ‘Dogtown was one of those films that fly under everyone’s radar, but is enjoyed by those who’ve seen it. Maybe it wasn’t that that important a film or that spectacular of a role, but Heath Ledger gave all he had to play the surrogate father figure. He lost himself in the role and thoroughly stole that film and with only 20 minutes of screen time!Following this up with the one-two punch of the quiet yet earnest role of a pining lover in Brokeback Mountain and the evidence was clear: Heath was something special. Like Val Kilmer or Russell Crowe, Heath Ledger had the knack for being able to portray masculine bravado AND subtle honesty, which is no small feat in our modern Hollywood era of cookie-cutter instant stars. This man was a hard working actor. A man who actually TRIED to wow us, to give us what we want.And then, like everyone else, I laid eyes upon the trailer for this summer’s The Dark Knight. In just a little over two minutes, it was clear that Heath Ledger was going to become one of our greatest actors. We saw his dark side, his nasty side, his demons that no one else knew about. For any fan of Batman, Heath Ledger seemed poised to give us what we have always wanted: Batman’s nemesis. For any fan of cinema, however, Ledger was poised to give us something larger: a truly great actor with enough range, enough good looks, and enough chutzpah to mesmerize audiences for years to come.He was a young man in the prime of his life and we were going to see the beginning of something great…We all were about to see a man change the stars..I know not what demons possessed him to take his own life, and make no mistake, he did take his own life, whether born of misery or selfish neglect, I can never judge nor could I begin to even try. He was not taken by G-d, life, or the world. The tragedy is that he left of his own volition. Whether because of fear, shame, pain of the spirit, he left. He left behind his fame. He left behind his glory. He left behind his audiences who loved him. He left behind his wife who loved him in her own special way. And he left behind his own daughter, who will forever miss the most precious thing in her own life: her daddy.But I will always remember him fondly and with heartfelt thanks. In his own way, he brought a small measure of joy and excitement in my life, and however that joy can be valued, I will always thank him for that gift. For the sake of his own wife and daughter and, in my own selfishness, the joy that he brought to my love of stories, I wish that he had lived longer. I wish he could have seen his stars changed.May the Lord love you and forgive you, take you in his loving embrace, keep you under his wing. Whether you are awake or asleep, may your travels and dreams be equally blessed. Find rest, Heath…find peace…find your stars.AmenWe will always miss you.
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... another 100 tabloid crap celebrities go on living. Jesus, couldn't we stand to lose a few wastes of the media instead of Heath?
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I feel for his family, particularly his daughter, but to be perfectly frank, I do not even know why it is in the headlines. Tomorrow, I will get up in the same bed next to the same wife. I will kiss my same son as I leave to go to my same job. The day will pass as it normally does, and I will go home to my same house. Heath Ledger may have been a talented actor, and I sincerely feel for his child, but he, or more appropriately, his ABSENCE has so little impact on my life that I find it hard to understand how over-the-top some of you are getting. Yes, he is dead. It is painful for those who know and love the deceased, but it is a natural part of life. Life will not be redefined through his demise.
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Like many others, this is my first post. I am still in a state of shock. Rest in peace Heath, rest in peace.
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VERY well said.
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His magic will be gone. Ill just be thinking I will never be able to see him again. I cant stop watching the trailer now.
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"hopefully the posters go up in value cause I've got em"??!? what the fuck man, i should take a picture of you then force sleeping pills down your fucking throat then sell the picture. fuck
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so says that link I posted ... they found him and he was in cardiac arrest = not dead
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why don't you?
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First Brad Renfro dies a week ago, that kind of shocked me and I was sad because he was young and talented and I liked some of his movies, now this... What the fuck is going on!? From all the reports it sounds like suicide! Why would someone do something so stupid when they have the fucking world in the palm of their hands. I mean this guy had talent, money, fame, not to mention a kid... I'm trying to grasp this and it makes me want to puke to think that he threw it all away for what? I mean if he thought his life was hard, I just cant understand it, and Harry is such a fucking fag. "Not mad a Heath" I'm pissed at this because suicide is the cowards way out. What kind of message is that to the rest of us, "life gets hard, kill yourself!?" Fuck that, my life is no picnic but damn it if I take pills when my career and things seem to be going my way. I'm pissed at this. Shocked and sad. God forgive him, may he Rest In Peace.
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He made me a fan with A Knights Tale and Brokeback Mountain.
Damn, what a shame. At least he'll get his final bow in The Dark Knight, something a lot of people will see.
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You're angry Harry. Be angry at Heath Ledger himself. The guy was a drug addict. I'll never understand it.
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If you become emotionally attached to actors you watch in a movie ... you have problems of a sort I am not trained to treat.
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Sadness setting in after the shock. Saw him on a news bulletin but sound was down, turned it up to catch a round up of headlines "more on the death of Heath Ledger as facts come to light." Real shock and my condolences to his family. I hope people don't dumb this down and start blaming the roles he's done recently especially TDK. Hopefully it will stand has the finest example of his talent...gone too soon especially for his little girl
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Dang, this is such a waste, he was just about to really break out and shit like this happens. RIP Heath.
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The grief of Ledger's family and friends is real and warranted. Those of people who only know him through his movies is virtual and frankly a little creepy. All I'm asking is that people stop thinking about themselves, and start thinking about the people to whom Heath really mattered.
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Nice post...but you're wrong.
Drugs are dangerous, if you dabble in them you may die. Heath dabbled and died...he is thus an idiot.
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Far be it from you JohnnyKool to be “high and mighty.” You’re obviously above all that. For you to express a sympathetic emotion, you’d have to be someone’s “butt buddy” or at minimum a “cocksucker.” And what was that “le movies ‘ee will neVAR” bullshit? Is that some tired ass dig on the French? Sigh, sometimes, I think there’s something seriously wrong with us as a species.
If someone has touched another’s life in a positive way, their death deserves reflection. From the response on this page, it’s obvious that even his spectators were impacted by him, which few, if any, on this page can say for themselves. He had family. He had a daughter. And whatever judgment you wish to make of his character, do any of you think that his daughter got what she deserved?
It’s real easy to be flippant in these forums. It’s anonymous and you can be all billy-bad-ass and harsh on peoples day. I get that. But I genuinely question the stability of those who choose to come to forums like this one, obviously a de facto mourning place, just to contribute their spite.
To all his fans, go see the Dark Knight, rent his films, mourn his death and think of the things that might have been. And when the next one comes along, hope he learns from those that came before.
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I hope these crazed photographer types leave Michelle Williams & their little daughter alone. They don't need some asshole camping outside their door duing this awful time
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This is horrible and weird that this happened. He was so talented. Sadly, this sort of thing happens to people in the entertainment business, and I'm used to hearing abut it, although it's always sad. But this time it's just such a huge shocker. Wow. Thanks for the emotional post, Harry.
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But when the movie is over, I get on with my life. I don't spend the rest of my life crying over Bambi's mom or Old Yeller.
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Does anyone watch the news? really we don't know anything yet. But he was found naked in his bed with sleeping pills next to him. It sounds like he could not sleep and took one to many and he died. He even said in a recent interview that he was only getting a few hours of sleep a night. Lets not call him a drug addict until we know the facts
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some don't. To me, I think we are affected when a celebrity dies because we are familiar with their stories - if not their real life 'story,' than the stories of the characters they play (if they're an actor). Like with Princess Di - look at the effect that had on the British populace (if you're too young to remember, watch The Queen). People all knew "Princess Di" the story, if not the person, and it was literally a fairy tale. So when that story ends in grief, that's a shock to the collective system. I think personal deaths work in the same way. Whether it's a relative or a friend, we have an understanding of who they are and how they relate to us (it's not being selfish, it's trying to understand a connection), a sense of their 'story' - when that story ends in tragedy, we are profoundly affected. This one will take a while to process.
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And cars are dangerous, and you're more likely to die in a car accident than by taking drugs. Should we be angry at everyone who dies in a car accident?
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Watch who you're calling scum, fuckface. That moral absolutism probably makes
a mental midget like yourself feel really good, huh? Makes the world seem
sensible again, like when you were a little kid? Fuck you simpleton.
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Just kidding, I wrote the same thing elsewhere and got a lot of negative responses.
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Jan 22, 2008 6:20:18 PM CST
What is this Yahoo "Omg!" site bullshit
by guy who got a headache and accidentally
Who are they fucking fooling with this horseshit website? And at first when I clicked the Heath link it lead to an error site saying the story wasn't there any more or had been moved and said: "Sorry, this Content is sooo over!" which, even if we weren't talking about a young man's tragic death, is just a fucking stupid thing to say. Is this site supposed to appeal to people like the chick in clueless? Why encourage and help perpetrate that kind of thought and behavior? What the fuck.
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Is the whole Mary Kate Olsen apartment thing. Where did that come from?
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Clearly acting a bit odd.
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I forgot you come from the USA, you probably think guns are safe too.
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...and if you dabble in it, you may die. Therefore, everyone who ever died at sea is an idiot deserving of no sympathy, because, hey, you shoulda known the ocean will kill you. __________ Again, you sanctimonious pieces of shit will use any excuse you can to justify talking shit about the recently deceased. Choke eternally on giant cocks.
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This is an enormous shock! Heath Ledger wasn't my favourite actor, he was in one of my most loathed films and he was playing the Joker. But this news, when I heard it, shocked the Hell out of me. So I come on here and surprise fucking surprise. The place is populated by the usual odius miserable excuses for human beings that it always is. 'Ah well, he's burning in Hell because he committed suicide' - 'He deserved to die because he was a drug user'. What's fucking next - 'He said the word nipple in a film and God has punished him'? Until you know what happened why don't you just shut the fuck up and here's an idea when you do know what happened why don't you just shut the fuck up? A 28 year old man is dead and a 2 year old kid is now fatherless.
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What a bunch of flaming creeps. This is a very sick way to seek attention, and we really should just ignore them.
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This is sad news. Whether he overdosed accidentally or was attempting suicide this is still a bad day for the film industry. The world has lost an up and coming talent and a genuinely nice guy ( I met him once. ) By the way, Jonnykool, any chance of you overdosing, please?
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That's why I defend my house with beartraps
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I was shocked when I first heard the news about a couple hours ago. He didn't even seem like the troubled sort of actor (having a daughter and partner helps convey the image, I guess). From what I read, it certainly seemed like a suicide. Alone, with sleeping pills, and some were prescription while others were non-prescription? Yeah, that's suicide in my book.
As far as Batman goes, I was never jazzed about him as the Joker. I was briefly excited when I saw the famous photoshopped image of Conrad Veidt, but then promptly let down again when I saw more pictures and read more news. That said, I never wished harm upon him. I wanted to meet him face-to-face and express my disappointment, but that's it. He was a good actor and it's a nasty way to start the year. -
You'll be missed.
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Jan 22, 2008 6:25:16 PM CST
The sympathy's been shared -- any lesson to be learned?
by le chevalier noir
I'd say: Don't get high..... get off your butt and make things happen in this shitty ball NOW. Huh?
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He was a cool actor, even in his lesser films. To call him a drug addict without knowing the facts is an awful thing to do, and even if he was he doesn't deserve to die. Apparently he was split from his wife, and all of the professional success in the world can't make up for sadness in your personal life. What a weird think to happen today.
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HAHAHA...fine work.
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Nice of you to get caught up. Please keep moving and let the door hit your ass on the way out.
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Fuck you to everyone saying "oh well, he shouldn't have done drugs." Sleeping pills aren't the same thing as heroin, assholes.
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Wow. Just read this on the news. Such a great actor. He had so much left in him to do. From what I've seen of the Dark Knight, he's probably goinbg to steal this movie. Such a shame He'll never get to see it completed. He was going to have a lot of fun with it. At least his last will probably be his best.
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Jan 22, 2008 6:28:23 PM CST
wonderllama - You win the biggest dipshit award
by guy who got a headache and accidentally
That's right, everyone in America thinks guns are safe and no one here really needs to use drugs, unlike other countries where people are informed on the dangers of firearms and drug use is neccessary. You fucking moron.
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I do feel bad for is FAMILY, im not chocked up about him. especially IF it was a suicide. there are people getting blown up everyday in Iraq , US soldeirs and civilians, and you people are gettign choked up over an actor who was prolly close to a millianare possibly dyeign of a drug overdose? you know the country is going to hell when people liek brittany spears and rich actors are makign headlines over dying civilians and US solderis in a war. gimme a break. i dont mean to come off like a jerk, i really do feel for his little daughter, but everyone really needs to put this into perspective.
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Brian Epstein died from them. What happened then is that he needed them ... built up an immunity to lower dosages and started taking more. The problem is that the immunity only works towards their effectiveness in putting you to sleep, not their effectiveness in killing you. So you reach a point where you need to take so many just to fall asleep, and if you're not careful (or if you drink at the same time), it can put you to sleep permanently
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message? are you that stupid to think what people do are messages. i can think for myself. and not everyone believes in god and think people need forgiveness.
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If ya want, I can pick you up some poster kinda cheap I can get ya the A & B teasers for about $50. Let me know bro. You can try that shit on me with the sleeping pills, but you wont have any luck, sleeping pills don't work on me, I've been down that road before. I will be more than happy to take a picture with you though and you can put it up on your myspace page and entitle it "Me with God"
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He might have accidently overdosed. He might have had a heart attack as a reaction to the pills. Too much is unknown. We don't know if it was suicide or if he even had a drug problem. We shouldn't job to conclusions till the autopsy report and for the love of all that is good. We must learn from this and not judge people we don't know. We have only a tiny fraction of information on the poor man. Let's remember he was an man, a father, a lover, and most inportantly human and flawed.
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Whatever happened none of us has the right to judge him on either count. I'm no religious zealot hell I don't even go to church but one thing religion has right is you have no right to judge someone else as if you are above them. People make mistakes that end their life. Have some morals and show some sympathy for the departed and their family and friends.
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Maybe it got into his psyche and fucked him all up.
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To his friends and family, especially his little girl. In true Aussie fashion, we should all raise a toast for whatever drink u prefer.
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that's it, just why?
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My take on the trailer has always been a very "creepy" Joker, even more than you would expect. But now, after this terrible, terrible news, I think it will be downright powerful. Rest in peace my friend, you'll be missed.
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So now what? We are all looking forward to TDK, most likely they will be able to get that out. But what about the third film? Write the Joker out of it by placing him in Arkham? Find a new actor? After all that has been said about his performance by the cast and crew, I doubt they are going to try and recast the part. Thoughts? And yea, life sucks most of the time. People make choices and accidents happen, however it ends up, it still sucks it had to happen.
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"the cruel fucking fate of the world that would take an actor at his absolute prime" I understand your grief, Harry, but if this was in any way due to drug use or even suicide as some are speculating, then it has nothing to do with cruelty or fate. We make our choices, and if his death is due to choices he made (I'm not saying it was, but just if it was), then you can't blame the fates for this one.
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...reading an article about how Ledger prepared for his role as the Joker:
http://tinyurl.com/2mcvqm
Apparently he locked himself away for a month, trying to "find" the character. It seems awful to think about it now, but might have that preparation put him in an emotionally or psychologically unstable state?
The weight of that role, the nature of the character he had to inhabit for months on end, coupled with the breakup he was going through with his wife might, just might, have been too much to bear.
Of course, we'll never know. But the Joker is such a dark character that would take anyone (aside from Jack Nicholson) to such sinister places, it's not inconceivable that it might have been a factor.
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I mean, they re-cast Dumbledore when Richard Harris died, and Nolan recast the love interest in TDK when Katie Holmes died.
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i know that theres that old adage that celebrities die in threes but why heath ledger. he was an awesome actor and like most of us, i had reservations about him playing the joker,until i saw the trailer.his take looked awesome,and he will be sorely missed.
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Just because we are paying respects to someone who has entertained us over the years dosn't mean we claimed to know him or that we are saying we are going to have a horrible life from now on. What a bunch of pussies you are,posting shit about someone who just died so that you can say you stired up some shit today. Here's what you can do to stir up shit tomorrow ,W3bzpinn3r, you and your fellow jack ass posters like thatdudewalter can go sit outside your local funeral home and tell the family members gathered to remember there loved one's that they are burning in hell or that they don't really matter to anyone else . What? That would be wrong? It's just as wrong to say it here,the reason you wouldn't do it in person is because you would get the shit beat out of you. Way to be real men. If the guy didn't matter and you don't care why post? The only reason you post is to stir it up and to try and piss folks off. You can go to bed proud tonight,you've actualy pissed a few people off for like two minutes of there day. Good luck with it in the future fucktards.
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Truly a great actor with a promising career. None of us know all the facts just yet, but if this was suicide, then it's sadder still that he didn't get some help. Condolences to all his family, especially the little girl. R.I.P. Heath.
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Cram it buddy.
You come from a country where people think with their fucking guns and NEED to escape from their lives with drugs! So before you bitch to me about where I might actually come from, have a good fucking look at your society then tell me you live in a great place.
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28 years old....sad. Very sad. Not just for him, but as other talkbackers said, his little daughter and other family he has left behind.
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I'm in shock. I don't know what else to say.
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perhaps I'm being naive but it could have been unintentional. I recall a recent interview where Ledger admitted playing Joker affected his sleep even with his prescribed medication.
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I've been here ten years. I'm not about to defend some of these talkback bastards, lord knows i'm no saint. But you act surprised. I always expect tasteless comments from talkbacks. you just get used to it. It's never gonna go away. just ignore assholes.
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That wasn't funny.
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I hope your replacement for The Dark Knight Returns will do you justice.
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TMZ has been contacted by a rep from Heath's family. The cops told the family Heath's death was accidental and there is no evidence to support the buzz that he may have committed suicide.
They are particularly distraught over media reports that he may have taken his own life. The family says he was not that kind of person.
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Heath will never get to see Moriarty's Cloverfield review.
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Jan 22, 2008 6:45:07 PM CST
Blow it out your ass wonderllama
by guy who got a headache and accidentally
You guys still ban movies from being released over there, what kind of primitive behavior is that nowadays? I'm finding it a little hard to believe no one has ever shot anyone or did drugs to escape their mundane fucking pointless life in Australia. I saw The Proposition and people got shot.
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That is simply awful, and it's true. Just a complete tragedy.
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It's still sad and it still fucking sucks. I also disagree that because it's suicide that it's not the "fates" that took him. I don't believe that people who commit suicide have complete control over themselves. Yeah, you bought those pills, but it's the circumstances around you that brought you to that state. It could happen to any one of us. It just takes one shitty ass day to do it.
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is way to much for many. Obviously we do not, and probably never will, know the full story but it's very sad. Sad that he reached the point in his life that this was the best option. It's sad that his child will have to grow up with this over her.
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TMZ has been contacted by a rep from Heath's family. The cops told the family Heath's death was accidental and there is no evidence to support the buzz that he may have committed suicide.
They are particularly distraught over media reports that he may have taken his own life. The family says he was not that kind of person.
As we just reported, Heath was ill with pneumonia when he died. -
TMZ has been contacted by a rep from Heath's family. The cops told the family Heath's death was accidental and there is no evidence to support the buzz that he may have committed suicide.
They are particularly distraught over media reports that he may have taken his own life. The family says he was not that kind of person.
As we just reported, Heath was ill with pneumonia when he died. -
TMZ has been contacted by a rep from Heath's family. The cops told the family Heath's death was accidental and there is no evidence to support the buzz that he may have committed suicide.
They are particularly distraught over media reports that he may have taken his own life. The family says he was not that kind of person.
As we just reported, Heath was ill with pneumonia when he died. -
TMZ has been contacted by a rep from Heath's family. The cops told the family Heath's death was accidental and there is no evidence to support the buzz that he may have committed suicide.
They are particularly distraught over media reports that he may have taken his own life. The family says he was not that kind of person.
As we just reported, Heath was ill with pneumonia when he died. -
TMZ has been contacted by a rep from Heath's family. The cops told the family Heath's death was accidental and there is no evidence to support the buzz that he may have committed suicide.
They are particularly distraught over media reports that he may have taken his own life. The family says he was not that kind of person.
As we just reported, Heath was ill with pneumonia when he died. -
TMZ has been contacted by a rep from Heath's family. The cops told the family Heath's death was accidental and there is no evidence to support the buzz that he may have committed suicide.
They are particularly distraught over media reports that he may have taken his own life. The family says he was not that kind of person.
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So maybe he mixed over the counter medicine with prescription medicine? I don't know. And his family put out a statement that he didn't kill himself. It's a shame they have to do that a few hours after he died.
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I, a dumb ass like most of you, hope no one takes cheap shots on this one. It's a real shame.
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What the fuck is going on with the website? I didn't mean to do all of those posts.
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RIP to young actor with a great future ahead of him.
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... Generation Y now has its River Phoenix. Wonder who their Cobaine will be?
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Jan 22, 2008 6:50:52 PM CST
to all you "burn in hell" or "i hope he knew Jesus", or "he dese
by damagedinc
...give the dude and his family a break. Depression is a mysterious thing and just because you might be somebody who can shrug off whatever the world throws at you doesn't make you a better person. Some of the folks who've been posting on this have been just plain heartless and it'd be something to see you saying the same thing if you're brother or a spouse killed themselves. As far as Christians are concerned, even if you mean well, saying that someone is going to hell or even wishing he knew Jesus helps absolutely no one. You're not somehow better by being a Christian and to be redeemed is not to be perfect. You don't remotely have the right to talk about this stuff like it belongs to you or like it's your place to say it. If you're of the Christian stripe than praying for all involved would be a much more positive thing you could do.....That all said, and even though I'll be one post in a thousand saying the above and I don't mean to sound like a jerk, I'm pretty bummed out about this. I could tell the guy was talented the first time I was forced to see "10 Things I Hate About You" and I thought he was the best choice to play the Joker. I wish there was something more that the fans could do...
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but I really do hope it was pneumonia. I'm very familiar with the pain involved with those who contemplate suicide, and I truly hope he died clean and without all the heartache.
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....It's not like you knew the guy - Any closeness or sadness felt is only an act of transference because you are a fan of his movies... You're upset about losing the actor, not a close personal friend... People die every day, and if we had this reaction for all of them we'd be permanantly popping valium to calm ourselves down... Yes, it's sad that such an amazing actor was taken at 26years of age... But ease up, people... Yes, it's sad (being an australian myself) that we've lost another Australian Icon... But all this "shocking" and "close to tears" stuff is a little much, don't you think? The large majority of you knew the man on the screen... Save the mourning for people who actually knew him personally - It's sad enough for them without the fan-boys wanting to come along for the ride...
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We don't ban movies here, you're probably thinking of some other country you've never heard of or know anything about. That would make...about 180 odd?
Pull your head out of your sphincter mate, The Proposition was set in the 19th Century...AFTER your country wrote its gun laws I believe.
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My thoughts and prayers go out to his family. Heath is definitely one of the most exciting and versatile actors to come around in at least 20 years. Brad Renfro and now this. Horrible.
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RIP. Wow, this really sucks. Hope THE DARK KNIGHT is finished. I guess its kinda cool to go out on a high note, but, dang, that really sucks. RIP and all that.
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The dude had it all, and it wasn't enough. And the fact that he didn't have enough love to stay clean for his daughter? Where were his friends? If he was sick, who was looking out for him? Answer - certainly not the usual sycophant entourage wannabes who were probably surrounding and enabling him. Sad.
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This is very sad news.
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There were pills scattered around him. Doesn't mean he took them; and if he took pills, why were some on the floor - they should have been in him, not on the floor, no? Could be the pills that killed him, yes -- but he also could have had a heart attack with a pill bottle in his hand, and dropped it in his distress. Let the autopsy tell the tale.
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the small number of posters pushing the "was it the darkness of the role, was it becoming The Joker?" - are you guys like 12 years old or what? Some medical condition or drug(s) killed him, not your FICTIONAL criminal. This kind of talk is almost as offensive as the flaming moral high-horses out to kick the guy while he's still warm.
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For those who say "he's going to Hell if it is suicide" or "Suicide is the most selfish thing a person can do..." or "He deserves what he got."
You obviously don't know the pain a loved one goes through after hearing about the suicide of a family member or friend.
Take a minute to think about what you write in front of thousands of fellow Internet users that are reading your words. I guarantee if someone you knew was found dead, you wouldn't be saying they deserved what they got.
For those that say "why are you worried about the fate of a movie?
Heath Ledger was an actor that most of us only know from his body of work. I think most of us would agree that Heath Ledger was a talented actor that chose interesting projects. It is only natural to wonder what will become of his most anticipated film to date. While he may have been working on the Gilliam movie, TDK may well be his final full performance. I think it is valid to wonder if his part was completed. I kind of doubt it was - sound mixing and ADR often go on right up until the film is released. I guarantee that Warner Bros is scrambling right now to discover the implications of this. I for one feel watching TDK will be a very difficult, surreal experience.
For those who feel the need to make sick jokes about the death of someone you don't know, try to imagine for a moment that you did know them, and you will never get the chance to say goodbye to your friend, your husband, your wife, your son or daughter…
Show a little respect. Reading threads like this make me wonder if the immediacy of the Internet is going to be the downfall of our society. Be thankful that you are not close to someone that is under the scrutiny of an Internet Talkback, and that you can’t log on to read the comments that some of you have posted in the last two hours about their death. You aren’t funny.
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Has issued the following statement "The studio is stunned and devastated by this tragic news. The entertainment community has lost an enormous talent. Heath was a brilliant actor and an exceptional person. Our hearts go out to his family and friends."
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same as anna nicole smith.
the pills cause vomit to go into the lungs causing infection.
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Heath was a terrific actor. Any film he appeared in was always going to be worth the price of admission. However, that is all meaningless now and I can't help but feel sorrow for his daughter who will grow up without her father. Peace and strength to Heath's family and friends.
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Jan 22, 2008 6:59:19 PM CST
it was reported that playing the Joker gave him sleeping problem
by zooch
"He told The New York Times in a November interview that he had trouble sleeping while portraying the Joker, whom he called a "psychopathic, mass-murdering, schizophrenic clown with zero empathy."
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So Britney Spears gets to go out and get wasted, neglect her children, produce off entertainment, and destory her life yet she gets to walk on this earth?
Heath a father, a man who was probably sick with depression, pneumonia, or something else (because this obviously seems accidental) leaves us? This man is an amazing actor who created amazing characters. He gave his entire physical and mental strength to create these amazing charcters. I hope his family knows that many of us appreciate the art he created.
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Wow, this is unexpected. First Brad Renfro, now Heath Ledger. We got too many "live fast, die young" martyrs like James Dean, my idol. I will be wearing a sign on the back of my backpack that says "Rest in peace, Heath Ledger, You were wonderful in Brockeback Mountain" at Sundance. Ex-wife Michelle Williams is at Sundance FF? My condolences. This is sad news, indeed. The ending of the film "The Dark Knight" will say "Dedicated to Heath Ledger, 1979-2008". Michelle Williams and daughter Matilda will have good lives ahead of them after Heath's passing. I first saw Heather in "Ten Things I Hate About You" and he was pretty cool in that movie. RIP.
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I am just in total disbelief right now. I literally just read this and I am really just in total shock. This sucks so much. That guy had so much talent. Truly a HUGE HUGE loss.
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Too Soon. Thoughts and prayers to family and friends.
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He was a very good actor. Sorry to see such a talent go so early. My thoughts and prayers go out to his family and friends.Find it funny how many retards are worried about a film. Don't worry. Your precious film will be released on time.It will be interesting to see what the cause of death is. You hear so many things whether it be a website or the watching the news. Oh, and by the way, he wasn't married. For all the die hard Heath fans I figured you would know that.
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it was pneumonia.he knew what he was doing when he chose the joker role. he seemed like a smart guy,and was looking forward to a long career in the business r.i.p. heath
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what 28 year old dies on pnuemonia? i knwo young kids and old people but 28? plus i read soemwhere that he was in one of the Olsen twins apartments? what was he doin there waiting for a massage and taking sleeping pills? if he had pnuemonia why be at a firends house waiting for a massage? soemthing is fishy about this story.
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Piss on the theories that are flying around, this is a sad day.
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"God save you, if it is right that he should do so."
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..... he and I are (were) the same age. 29. I look at my life and I haven't accomplished shit. Heath, Heath went from being a teen idol poster boy to an incredibly respected character actor. How can I go see The Dark Knight now without tearing up? Please let this all be a joke.
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He was in the same building as an Olsen twin - not in the apartment. Secondly, he was found on his bed, clothed completely, and pills falling everywhere is possible if you have a pill bottle in your hand and you die. Pneumonia is the most likely thing, as I've known young people dying all the time from it.
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Certainly darkens "the Dark Knight" doesn't it?
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For the fundies who say he's now going to burn for the next trillion years in hell... fuck you you psychopathic sick fucks. Your God should be dragged out and shot.
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...How about you don't listen to ridiculous allegations until an official report is released? Pills... Olsen Twins... Pnuemonia... It will save you all a world of unneccessary worry and confusion (which, to be honest, I still think is unwarranted from fanboys anyway...)
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how do they know he died of pnuemonia? his autopsy isnt till tomorrow.
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Piss on the damn theories. This IS a sad day. We don't know what happened, so everybody who's jumping the gun knock it off.
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I remember a Z100 DJ dying back in the 80s of it. He was like 26.
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FTW: "3 million people develop pneumonia each year in the United States. Although most of these people recover, approximately 5% will die from pneumonia. Pneumonia is the sixth leading cause of death in the United States." If he has this "bug" he had a 5% chance of death pills or no pills. Guess we should back off the "drugs did it for now" as it could of been the bug-organisms enter the lungs, they usually settle in the air sacs of the lung where they rapidly grow in number. This area of the lung then becomes filled with fluid and pus as the body attempts to fight off the infection. : (
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I keep picturing this television appearance of his on the Ellen show. It was really silly. They were pretending to be in a sled or something. It was really cute. That image has been popping into my head all evening.
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i dotn knwo where u are reading this, but everywher ei read said he was found in "A" apartment not "his" apartment, and they found him fully nude.
"Heath Ledger was found dead Tuesday at a downtown Manhattan apartment, naked in bed with sleeping pills nearby, police said. " from yahoo news.
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But at least he`s going out with a Bang!
So many shitty actors should have gone before him,but hey that`s life people die...get the fxck on with it!
He was no Olivier for fxcks sake!
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because I'll be damned if someone else is gonna try to emulate Ledger's performance down the line
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...how sad to be gone so soon and with so much promise in life. Enjoyed everything I ever saw him in. Deepest sympathy to his loved ones. God bless ya Heath...
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It would really be a tragedy.
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I literally almost drove off the road when the breaking news came on while I was listening to Sirius Radio. It took my breath away. I was a huge fan of Heath's, and my first thought was of his young daughter. People are speculating that it was an overdose of sleeping pills, accidental or otherwise. Now comes word that he had pneumonia and perhaps there was a bad mix of medications ala Anna Nicole's son. No movie had me more excited than TDK. When Heath was first cast, I thought, wow, interesting choice. I never would have thought of him, but now I can't see anyone else doing it. He was a gifted actor and what I've seen and heard of his performance is that this was a star turn for him. I feel like someone told me a kid I was a camp counselor too had just died. I've followed his career and felt that he was one of the best actors of his generation and would become a Hollywood legend in his own right. I just absolutely feel horrible for his daughter, his ex, and his family. And to the fucktard who complained about soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan...dude, they talk about the death of soldiers.every.fricking.day. It gets numbing, but I feel for them every day. Every day I say a prayer on their behalf whether or not there's anyone there to hear it. This is something unexpected and tragic. He had a young daughter, and a career making moment was on the horizon. It is unexpected, unlike River Phoenix who was neither as talented, nor had a child. This is far worse. Britney, Winehouse, Hilton, Lohan, any of them would be sad but not out of the blue. No matter if accidental or on purpose a seemingly very good guy, good actor, and a father is gone much much much too soon. My condolences to all who knew and cared for him. RIP Heath, you will be missed. ~ÐL
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I was never a big fan of Heath, but didn't intrinsically hate him either. I admire the fact that he veered away from the easy teen idol career and took roles that broadened his range. When I go to see TDK I do expect to see a brilliant portrayl of the Joker based on what we've seen and heard. I will view it as his crowning achievement, and although somewhat saddened by the news of his death I can look at the growth from Roar to TDK and see what he accomplished in his career in such a short time.
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fuck that shit
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Had no idea it could do that.
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None of made it up. He said it, dude. Relax a bit. It came from his own lips. Here's some copy from an article in the Toronto Star, quoting a November article in the NY Times:
Ledger told The New York Times in a November interview that he ``stressed out a little too much" during the Dylan film, and had trouble sleeping while portraying the Joker, whom he called a ``psychopathic, mass-murdering, schizophrenic clown with zero empathy.''
"Last week I probably slept an average of two hours a night,'' Ledger told the Times. "I couldn't stop thinking. My body was exhausted, and my mind was still going." He said he took two Ambien pills, which only worked for an hour, the paper said.
That kind of shit will mess with your mind and body. And if you can't handle it, it'll break you down.
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i have a friend working on the Post for the movie right now
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One of my favorite young actors. I looked forward to every role he stepped into.
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He has kids too,what a selfish prick!
Unless it was a total accident,then I have no sympathy!
You DO NOT leave your kids alone in this world without a father1
Selfish,coward!!!
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some of you people are downright assholes. Why do have to jump to conclusions so fucking fast. And even if he did OD, or kill himself who are you to judge. You know nothing about about him except whats been put up on the screen. And I have a lot of sympathy for people who I've know who have committed suicide or had a drug problem. Shit happens to people, even people that seem like they have everything, that could send them down a path that is very hard to get off of.
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...Everyone has their own problems and issues - To ask the world why Ledger had to die instead of someone like Winehouse is heartless and pointless... You have no idea about the circumstances of his death - What if it WAS a drug overdose? Would your comparisons to Winehouse be accurate then? How fucking immature of you all... Perhaps Ledger was just better at keeping his skeletons in his closet... You have absolutely no idea...
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I wasn't a huge fan of Heath Ledger. I thought he was a horrible choice for the Joker when it was first announced but after seeing his performance in the trailers I was surprised at how good he was. My condolences go out to his family and daughter and it sickens and saddens me that some of you are passing judgement on the guy when you don't know all the facts. Depression and Drug Addiction are in many ways beyond the control of the person afflicted. No one sets out to be addicted to drugs, it is a painful process that you slowly sink into over time and before you know it, you are in over your head. Often times, it is the result of depression. Heath has been through alot this past year and I can tell you from experience that a break up with kids involved is a tough thing to deal with. But again, we don't know all the facts and it may very well turn out that it was accidental. I found this quote from Heath and I think it sums up the commentary on this website quite nicely.
“People always feel compelled to sum you up, to presume that they have you and describe you,” Mr. Ledger told The New York Times in an interview last year. “But there are many stories inside of me and a lot I want to achieve outside of one flat note.”
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Sorry gang, but I've had it with people throwing their lives away with drugs...I'm just completely absolutely fed up with it. I don't give a shit about your demons or pained life....if you take drugs of any kind except under a doctor's care to medicate your pains away, you are a loser that deserves no sympathy at all. My sympathy is reserved for the people you hurt with your cowardice and weakness.
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rest in peace
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Token... do you know something we don't? You dipshit, reserve judgment until we know what the fuck is going on.
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this is that interview I mentioned: http://tinyurl.com/2wqrgc
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Could not agree with you more!
Talentless cockney fxckwit vs The Joker!!!
MMMMMMMM
I know who I want in a box!!
I`m typing this shit,because I`m pissed off!
Talentless pieces of garbage go on to have great careers with ZERO talent,and great actors/actresses/performers all go and die young!
THat`s shit,a big curling hunk of it!
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Too soon?
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Dont take drug abuse and a drug overdose that may be accidental and confuse them bro
I lost ma brother to the horrors of drugs and i was mad as hell with him but addicts are sick and they really cant stop themselves
I tried reasoning and all the tricks in the book to help him but he just couldnt do without them
People who try them for the first time are in two camps
1. Wannabes who want to be "it"
2. Deeply unhappy people
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Jan 22, 2008 7:32:41 PM CST
this is a disturbing scene from he Imaginarium of Doctor Parnass
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http://tinyurl.com/yp2qsy
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You cock-breath we don't know what he died of yet. The topic isn't that he died of drugs to dumbass, it's that he DIED.
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Cmon,I loathe winehouse and her "hardman" bfs antics as much as the next man but she IS talented
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So many conflicting reports. Thank got for TMZ - as the cops have specially said he was NOT NAKED WHEN HE WAS FOUND DEAD. Apparently he was dead for for a while before he was found
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This is one of those shocking stories that doesn't really seem real yet.
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Now official police reports are saying pills WERE NOT FOUND ON THE FLOOR, they were on a nightstand, that is it. Thank goodness for TMZ. They have full up-to-the minute reports on what's going on.
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My thoughts and prayers go out to his family, friends, and fans.
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I've only seen the trailer, but I know the Joker was yours, and always will be yours. We were robbed of a future Hollywood giant.
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....If this Forum is going to stumble into a talkback on who "deserves" to die more, then you guys are completely fucked... Who the fuck are ANY of you to sit there and judge something like that, let alone who has talent and who doesnt...
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Jan 22, 2008 7:39:57 PM CST
http://www.tmz.com/2008/01/22/how-heaths-body-was-discovered/
by tme2nsb
Remove the spaces, as always. I will post updates here as they develop.
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Used to be,used to be!
Until of course the music or her junky scumbag,criminal husband gets a hold of her.
The musi business died a death a long long time ago and if the music business in the UK gets a hold of you,your fxcked!
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...I cannot believe this...
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is by rewatching his films ..... the best ? Two hands - Aussie film with Rose Byrne based in the seedy part of Sydney. fkn brilliant film. He will be missed. RIP heath
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That's what I want to know - they are more deserving of death.
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Okay, I'll admit that many of you are correct in saying it's far too early to speculate on what brought him to an early death.
But our opinions are defendable, whether you agree with the timeliness or not, because some of us are shocked and just trying to find meaning and reason for a senesless, tragic passing. Fuck whether we "knew him" or not. That's not the point. We feel some kind of loss.
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I've been a regular visitor of this site for many years, only tonight have I felt obliged to register and add a comment. Heath Ledger was a great actor, on many levels, I'm shocked at his death. He will be missed.
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How much ya wanna bet? I love her music and car crash antics though, so, I'm not cheering.
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Im genuinely shocked by this. Just terrible. RIP.
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Yeah, CV, I liked that one too. He was in a lot of movies I thought were okay but aren't getting as much press. Brothers Grimm is another...
Chrth made a point re: building up immunity. Happens to wrestlers all the time who are on the gas. They take roids until they hit this very high wall of tolerence. They go off them for awhile but when they hop back on to firm up, they take the same amount they last finished with....which kills them. Because their tolerance has dropped during the period they were not doing drugs. -
right and every other place wrong?
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First it was Suzanne P (Newhart's wife) then Allan Melvin (Sam the Butcher) and now Heath. To quote Wendy the Retard...GOD FUCKING DAMNIT!!!!
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http://justjared.buzznet.com/2008/01/20/heath-ledger-clown/
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he could have easily accidentally taken too many. I doubt it was pneumonia though, because if that condition got worse most would have seen a doctor.
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They're very good with up to the minute information as they have EYES and EARS everywhere. Thats' all I am saying.
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Don't be so quick to judge until the autopsy's in. This is freakin' tragic. I ran into him on the Disney lot right after "Brokeback" came out (he was visiting a friend). Only talked to him for about five minutes, but seemed like a hella nice guy. Didn't get an autograph or picture or anything, damn it -- trying to be cool, ya know? Wish I'd been less cool. RIP, man.
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Why couldn't it have been Britney instead? I mean, spare her family and her kids. Poor Heath. I truly hate it for his family. If it was accidental its absolutely tragic. If it was suicide, then he should have sought counseling. This hits home with me because Heath was 28...same age as me. So sad.
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Regardless of who they are, for anybody to die so young is a tragedy - regardless of what really happened (something I'm sure we'll never really understand) it should never be permitted.
My thoughts go to Heath's family, and close friends, and especially to his daughter.
As an avid Batman fan I was very excited by Heath's appearance in The Dark Knight trailer, and now I feel this will put a tragic "The Crow" feel to this new movie. While I hope it will be the epic we all wish for, it will be sad to see a talent which will no longer be there to entertain us in the future.
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Yes, he got pissed off. No, he didn't cry.
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even TMZ says he was found naked, just not naked on the floor, but naked in his bed.
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Are TMZ paying you for name dropping?
Bet you have a bulge in your pants everytime the names mentioned
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Jan 22, 2008 7:57:07 PM CST
The flamers here could only wish somebody would notice
by bringingsexyback
when they pass away. Anyone who treats this as an opportunity to crack lame non-jokes and make morbid remarks has some serious emptiness in their own lives. And yes, if you respond to this post defensively, you're affirming your pathetic existence.
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I wonder if funeral will be in Perth or the US.
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So how do we have fun with the character? How are they publicists going to hype this movie now with Heath images that induce mourning and sadness? Maybe Bale's Batman will now be the focus of the advertising.
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Because everyone else will be dead already! MWAHAHAHAHAHA!
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That shit is crazy. Heath was found at Mary-Kate's apartment. Wait, no he wasn't. Heath committed suicide. Wait, no, his death was fro pneumonia. Heath was found on the floor. Wait, no, he was on the bed. Heath was killed by one of those little critters from Cloverfield. Oh no, wait, this just in, he wasn't. Maybe. We're not sure. But we promise to report every single possibility as fact. Until we change it, 25 minutes later. So check our site a lot. TMZ gotta eat!
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Bill Hicks (RIP) had a very good point regarding drug usage and artistic talent. So for those of you who do not understand this connection, that's probably because you are a no talent, soul-less, useless, tasteless waste of space that probably spends all of your time trying to figure out how to spoil the party for everyone else. Drugs serve the dual purpose of spurring creativity and making it easier to deal with fuckheads like you that made them feel like outcasts because they were a little different in school. Enjoy some Bill Hicks..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J10w3FuCwfQ&feature=related
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ummm people die every single day, tell me why this is more important?
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It's called ART. That is why you are talking about him and not someone else who OD'D. If he wanted your judgment he would not have filmed such scenes. Get real. Complain to Gilliam for being a great film maker. Complain to Warner Brothers for portraying him as a murderer. Shame on your hypocrisy. The irony is of course, a few months before his possible suicide, he filmed a disturbing suicide scene. THAT is the point. If you dont like the reality of film making, shame on you.
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It's not that it is MORE important. It is somebody whos work many of us admired. It is sad that such a great talent is gone.
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Jan 22, 2008 8:04:09 PM CST
All you heartless fucks making jokes. You will suffer.
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Karma is a real bitch. You soulless fucks who are making fun of this terrible news will be paid back in spades and the joke will be on you. A man died who was a friend to many, a son and the father of a child. It sickens me that the fucking trolls on this site can't take one moment to be human and just be real for a brief moment in time. This news sucks. It's not funny and it's really heartless of you arrogant self loathing pieces of shit to come on here and disgrace the man's name in the way you are. Fucking die.
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His family loses him, the world loses a talented actor and a really nice guy. He'd been struggling for a long time with this. I lost a friend last year, not because he died, but because I kicked his butt and shamed him until he went into rehab. He no longer speaks to me, but his wife sent me a Christmas card this year thanking me. I miss him, but I'd do it again. Will he stay sober? Maybe not. But don't ever tell me illegal drugs are a victimless crime.
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....or shame on him for filming it ? or shame on you for shaming the dead ? or shame on him for OD'ing ? ..... when does reality enter into your condescending, life asphyxiating, shame game ? Eat a burger and pretend it wasn't a cow ? is that your solution "BURGERTIME" ?
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Heath was brilliant in "Brokeback," and it looks like he is brilliant in "Batman." If there is an afterlife, I hope he gets a good seat. RIP, Heath. Thanks for the great performances.
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I can't even believe it. RIP, you will be forever missed.
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This news is gonna make the Dark Knight do gangbusters. It was already set up to do well, but now that this will be his last movie, people will go nuts over it in the theaters. Now they'll probably remove the dedication at the beginning to the stuntman who died on set. Some of you may not know about that guy anyways because AICN didn't post shit about it.
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Heath you will be missed.
When I saw the news I was so shocked, it really came out of left field like so many have said.
I thought this guy wasnt messed up like say Britney or a complete nutcase like Tom Cruise.
Just another reminder that we need to cherish every moment we have got.
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Abe Vigoda will outlive everyone!! All hail the great Abe Vigoda!!
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Heath you will be missed.
When I saw the news I was so shocked, it really came out of left field like so many have said.
I thought this guy wasnt messed up like say Britney or a complete nutcase like Tom Cruise.
Just another reminder that we need to cherish every moment we have got.
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He completely transformed himself in Brokeback in a way I did not believe him capable of. He was a whole new man.
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Too young for sure - if he was taking regular large doses of tylenol pm then I'm sure this was an accidental death and not a suicide
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He was of great talent. I have a copy of a knight's tale and was amazed at ledger's work. To me he was a protege of Mel Gibson in the sincerest sense. The business has its' way with celebrities. From Marilyn Monroe to Heath Ledger it is tragic that it seems the good die young.
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Not having a go,but the amount
of young actors/singers/whatever pissing their lives away is disturbing to me!
I have 2 young kids and the last thing i would ever think of is leaving them.
I`ve been involved in the music business/movies for a a few years here in the UK,and not once have I tried suicide/heroin/pills..or any way out other than hard hard work.
No point scoring here,just sad that another young person decides that they`ve had enough,and Whinehouse is a 2 second wonder that we`ll all forget about in the time it takes to change a cd!
I think Ledger has left a more poignant legacy! The new Batman film will break all records, propel Heath Ledger to cult status.....an actor cannot ask for more!
Hollywood and the machine just want your dollar,and they do not care how they earn it.
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Absolutely shocking and even though i taped the newsflash on tv four hours ago it's only just sinking in (it's now 2am here in the UK). RIP Heath - you were only here a short time but boy did you put on a good show. I know everyone here at AICN will join us in sending our condolences to his wife and daughter. You will be truly missed.
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From one scotsman to another . . . .
Rehab is one of the best songs of the last 10 years !!!
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and not how he died.
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and not how he died.
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Drugs are a choice. Understand the risks of your new hobby.
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Illicit drugs are a choice. Understand the risks of your new hobby.
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Yeah, whores like Spears, Lohan, Hilton and Winehouse still walk the earth, but a talented father of a little girl dies from that shit. Its just wrong, and when I die someone better explain this "plan" to me.
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Fucking insensitive troll. Addiction is a disease you ignorant fucktard. No one deserves to die who was at heart a decent human being and a loving father. You are the lowest scum of the earth.
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Round of applause!
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you notice how at first the posts were shock and dismay...then the trolls got over their shock and decided to stir things up...just lame. Well your boring posts are a distraction, but nothing more.
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Didn't know he had a drug problem, (if that's what it was). He was really great.
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I've always liked his movies and the guy was on a Johnny Depp kind of path... I hope he finds in death what he could not find in life... I offer my condolences to all of his family...
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while his body still lays in the morgue. Looking at you Psalmoive. His family is horrible pain right now. Give it time before you start passing judgement. I don't know about you but I haven't met any Saints in my life. I doubt your one douch. late
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He died of Pneumonia. It wasn't true that he had pills spilled around him. There were 2 bottles of pills near him. Perscription and non perscription. He probably died in his sleep from the sleeping pills because he didn't wake up while choking from the Pneumonia. It is horribly tragic. Beyond horribly tragic. We can all remember how delicate life is. And never sleep alone if you have Pneumonia.
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A knights tale, The Patriot, Monsters ball and Candy. Man that guy was a good actor.. RIP.
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Pretty good film, may go out and get it.
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His choice now leaves a young girl without a father. I was a fan but my father had his prostate removed today and has done everything in his power and will continue to do everything in his power to stick around for his family. I'm having a little trouble getting choked up over a guy who more than likely overdosed on sleeping pills.
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Suicide has not been ruled cause of death and sorry to hear about your father.
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Or he died of a drug overdose?
If it was the drugs, as seems likely, it's inane to blame fate. Man the fuck up, and lay responsibility where it belongs.
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While that is true it is a choice to use drugs you are right it's not a choice to choose to become addicted. Do you drink? Have you ever in your life had one drink? Have you? Well if you have then you are no different. And what I mean by that is you could be an alcoholic but chances are you aren't still if you have had just one sip of it you are prone to becoming addicted if it's in your nature. Granted doing herion is a terrible thing to do but some people are so emotionally fucked up that they make bad choices when they reach rock bottom. That in itself is a problem. Actors and artists in general who are truly gifted usually are also truly pained or have gone through tough mental anguish. Not everyone is so strong as you or me. That's not to say yeah he gets a pass but that's to say have some compassion. You really think he wanted to leave his child behind without a father?? Come on now. It's truly very very sad. This was not some douchebag we are talking about this was a decent guy. No ego. Not Mr Hollywood. Well respected. Well liked and loved. He had a problem and it's really fucking sad. He was one of the good guys.
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...as in "IF" it was illicit drugs, he deserved it. IF it was pneumonia, then sympathy goes out to him as a human.
However, it's gross that celebrities get this much notice, when there are countless others dying for far nobler causes every day. There are countless others being tortured and killed, those who have to face the indignity of starving to death or being hacked to death by machetes when they are merely four years old. You know none of them, you never lived through what they went through. Instead you drown in your tears over a celebrity as if he made some kind of difference in this world.
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Life fast, die young, leave a good looking corpse. Going out at your prime isn't all that bad. Leaving behinid a wife and kid kind of is.
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Rest in peace man. Here's my favorite movie quote, a little paraphrased, sermon:
"Why? Why are the innocent punished? Why the sacrifice? Why the pain? There aren't any promises. Nothing certain. Only that some get called, some get saved. [He] won't ever know the hardship and grief for those of us left behind. We commit [this body] to the void with a glad heart. For within each seed, there is a promise of a flower, and within each death, no matter how small, there is always a new life. A new beginning. Amen." -
Rest in peace, Heath.
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But watching someone for years like Heath..Well you kinda get connected in some way. Movies can move you, almost in a emotional feeling kinda way. You grow up with actors and connect. But I hear you on the others that deserve attention.
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a talented young actor dies, and the self-righteous assholes come out saying he deserved it. The guy splits with his fiancee, has been bouncing between EST and GMT, and OD's on legally perscribed sleeping pills, and now he's John Belushi. Fuck you pathetic haters. I wish I can be there when the reality stick clubs you upside your heads....douchebags.
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There's the three. Weird.
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Admittedly the first thing I did think of was the state of the movie... but it's not laughing matter... anyway this will strongly impact how we perceive his performance... let's hope his last efforts put a smile on our face.
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I first saw the news on Superherohype, but the page wasn't fully loaded, so I just saw bits and pieces of the site. I saw an article with a title saying something about Heath Ledger being found dead. I figured it was a joke and perhaps it was a strange choice of words for a Dark Knight article. Then I searched around and found everyone had posted the story and that Heath really was gone. I just can't believe this. I didn't think much of Heath's acting abilities before seeing Brokeback, but his performance in that movie made me more than a believer. It catapulted Heath onto my own personal list of most exciting actors working today. That performance is brilliant and one of my favourites of the last several years. After that, he was cast as The Joker (when everyone from Paul Bettany to Sean Penn had been rumoured for the role) and I was filled with the kind of fanboy glee I always hope a geek project will give me, but rarely does. I thought it was a fantastic casting decision and a very neat career move for Heath. The Dark Knight has been at the top of my list of most anticipated projects for 2008 (yes, I have lots of lists) for quite a while now, and the number one reason is the casting of Heath as Batman's greatest nemesis. This is incredibly sad news. I really thought we'd have decades to watch Heath Ledger grow as an actor and give many more great performances, but it is not to be. My heart goes out to his loved ones. I still can't believe this is true.
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I just thought of you when I read the following part of an obit for Heath on breibart.com:"After several independent films, Ledger moved to Los Angeles at age 19 and costarred opposite Julia Stiles in "10 Things I Hate About You." Offers for other teen flicks soon came his way, but Ledger turned them down, preferring to remain idle than sign on for projects he didn't like.
"It wasn't a hard decision for me," Ledger told the Associated Press in 2001. "It was hard for everyone else around me to understand. Agents were like, `You're crazy,' my parents were like, `Come on, you have to eat.'"
When I read that "come on you have to eat" I thought about Pound Sand bringing on the "so and so gotta eat" catchphrase about a year ago or so.More about Heath: for those of you who don't know, he was so worried about distancing himself from Nicholson's Joker that he checked himself into a hotel for a month and didn't leave and limited his interaction with other people. His goal was to get inside the head of the Joker and really create a new interpretation of the character. Talk about dedicated!Lastly, one report I read said he had pnuemonia and may have died from choking to death. Considering I've just recovered from it myself (roughly a week ago) I can tell you its miserable...you can't breathe when you're awake so you try to sleep but can't because you cough too much. So you load up on anything to make you drowsy. Read that carefully folks. Just because sleeping pills were in his room doesn't mean anything. I agree w/Ultron--no rushing to judgement or being self-righteous okay! Autopsy is tomorrow so as soon as the results are released you can all pass judgement then. -
Okay Einstein, where did I say this was "more important" than the death of anyone else? Are you in the habit of responding to phantom posts? I echo AllPowerful's posts in regards to every tard who sees fit to post unfunny jokes in this TB. Nuff said? Yeah.
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That is gone today...is just monstrous. We're all feeling it...thoughts of James Dean running through our heads...what could have been.
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I keep hoping this is some kind of early and horribly inappropriate April Fools joke. I'm so sorry.
I officially suggest a large portion of the profits from Dark Knight go to his family.
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Then I hope all the losers and spineless cockroaches who bag someone they don't know over an internet post forum get what is coming to them. You are sick. Harry grow some balls and start getting rid of the minority of halfwits you continually allow to visit your site and leave these abhorrent messages.Pneumonia plus benzodiazapines never mix. They sedate your breathing putting you further at risk. Step up to the plate Harry cos you will be respected for it.
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There's nothing more evil than a lack of empathy. If you've ever watched someone struggle with an addiction of any kind, I'm sure you'd hesitate before posting messages that venomous and vile. Just imagine if his mother read those insensitive posts. I live in his hometown (Perth, Western Australia), and I know many people who have met him - all of whom have nothing but good things to say about him. This, like any life cut short, is a tragedy. If you really want to impress us by flaunting your moral superiority, maybe you should find a different forum to do so, because this one's about paying your respect - not being a complete cock-snorkler.
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I can be happy with myself and honestly say that my first thought on hearing this was, "I hope it's not true, how sad, he was a talented, fearless artist." But I am shamed that my second thought was "How does this effect The Dark Knight?" Even though I didn't allow myself the luxury of expanding upon this thought, even though I only felt this thought pop into my consciousness for a moment and immediately ejected it, I did think it and what's more upsetting is that I kept thinking it, it kept popping back into the stream of thought. It makes me wonder. It makes me wonder about all the things that we spend our time doing. It makes me wonder if Warner Bros execs are throwing their coffee mugs against the walls, because they just lost the break out star of their Bat franchise. It makes me wonder, good or bad, how much time people will take, in considered decorum, before they start calling each other to figure out what has to be rewritten or postponed or repositioned. When an actor puts himself alone in a room for days and days just to find his inner psychotic, just to make an entertainment, is that really worth the toll? I remember Christian Bale's extreme weight loss and gain and how it was the "neat trivia fact" of the Hollywood promotion shows. Wasn't that beyond reasonable? Death is a great equalizer and it blows away the mists of promotion and pomp. At least it does for me. I don't want to think about comic book movies right now and I don't like the strange uncomfortable feeling that people are bowing their heads in sorrow, but darting their eyes around the room looking to see when it will be appropriate to turn on the hype machine that will no doubt come storming at us with the Spring melt, as Mr. Ledger's last film role becomes a morose but unstoppable Juggernaut of cash, that just adds to the pain and spectacle that his family now will begin to endure. I'm really sorry that I thought of the fate of a movie when I heard of a young man's death. Here's to respecting the dead. On comes the media storm.
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This is truly sad. Best wishes for his family. This guy had the talent, and the future of many good things. I hope the batman movie stands out as yet another example of how talented this guy really was.. Really sad.
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I'm not a fan of Ledger per se, but this is a tragedy whatever the cause of death turns out to be.
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a bunch of rush to judgement big mouthed mother fuckers who apparently live perfect lives. fuck all of you and may you rot in hell.
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Shit, I wish TMZ was paying me. The I wouldn't be stuck in Oklahoma for the past 6 years. I love it when anyone praises anything on this site (movie, director, or website) people say "PLANT!!" - you people need to think of something more original than this. I hope you fucktards who DON'T know what you're talking about OD yourself, as this clearly is not what happened to Heath.
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Amen. Fuck a lot of the people on these boards. Sensationalist cunts that you are. Show some goddamn respect!
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that's longhand for snore. what a snore this talkback has become. harry shutter down. or mori if you're reading, do your ol' pal deus a favor and close this thing out. its completely over the top ridiculous at this point.
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Again, this is basically an A list actor who died.. I'm sure he had some awesome roles lined up for us.. as entertainment goes I think we all lost out here..
While he didn't make a ton of films in his career almost every single one of them showcased his true skill..
This sucks.. I mean it really truly does.. trust me it's hard to find REAL actors, I mean russel crowe/brando level stuff..
Especially in his last few films and it appears even for the joker that Ledger had that skill level.. which is what makes his death even more tragic for us who can appreciate great acting..
I was very sad to hear about brando's passing but imagine how horrible it would have been to have brando passon before 30! right after streetcar and before he left his mark!
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I'm sure that any decent person won't mind if you delete all of the ill-minded idiots posts. In fact, I'm sure it would make the news.I, for one, would be quite proud of you guys for having the balls to show how much you truly respect Mr. Ledger and his family. Even if that means that this post must also be deleted!
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this is unexpected, first owen wilson and now this. but i dont think its suicide i just think its tragic for a cool guy to leave us like that.
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can't believe the news..its very sad. i'm sure im reiterating what a lot have people have said before me, but he was just about to explode big time. he has shown with some great roles how diverse and likeable he can be on film.
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My first pos there, and sadly, one I wish I wasn't making. I saw this today, don't know if it's true.
http://x17online.com/celebrities/heath_ledger/heath_had_pneumonia-01222008.php#more
My local news said it was suicide, but I don't think that is right. I'm in shock at this moment. Me and him shared the same birthday. He was only 10 years older than me. -
..that preachy fucking asshat scum who open their moronic gobs sanctimoniously about drugs before knowing any facts only demonstrate how fucking stupid the human race really is.
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As it appears the same things are being said over and over, and I agree with a lot of them on two different sides. First, peace and solace to his family and friends during this difficult time. But second, damn it! Pills? Really? I'm hoping it's decided that it was accidental. But regardless, come on! There are millions upon millions of people dealing with shit for which they have no resources to use to try and fix said shit. I'm so tired of people who do fucking up.
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As it appears the same things are being said over and over, and I agree with a lot of them on two different sides. First, peace and solace to his family and friends during this difficult time. But second, damn it! Pills? Really? I'm hoping it's decided that it was accidental. But regardless, come on! There are millions upon millions of people dealing with shit for which they have no resources to use to try and fix said shit. I'm so tired of people who do fucking up.
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As it appears the same things are being said over and over, and I agree with a lot of them on two different sides. First, peace and solace to his family and friends during this difficult time. But second, damn it! Pills? Really? I'm hoping it's decided that it was accidental. But regardless, come on! There are millions upon millions of people dealing with shit for which they have no resources to use to try and fix said shit. I'm so tired of people who do fucking up.
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let people express whatever they want like you always do even if you dont agree. IM an ultra conservative here in Austin like you but I respect that you give everyone a fair chance to voice their opinion or stupidity. Then should show everyone to get their shit straiht with God cuz you never know when death comes a knocking. But once he does its too late to change your mind. Heath was indeed a great actor and he will indeed be sorely missed.
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No one finds humor in this tradgey. Especially when nothing but shock, sadness and the loss of a loved one are involved. Your all alone in your joke. No ones laughing.
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I wasn't really a fan but was looking forward to seeing his rendition of Joker. Such a sad thing to see a young actor in his prime just up and die but it happens, like River Phoenix before him. I just wonder how they're gonna wrap up Joker's story in DK now.
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didnt really like his movies. not really a fan of him, probably cause 10 things was so lame. shocking to see people so young go but still i'll be ok with them having a differeent joker in batman 3. they have a different rachel so whats the dif.
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Some of you are talking about him like he fucked your mother or something. Jesus, get a fucking life.
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No one finds humor in this tradgey. Especially when nothing but shock, sadness and the loss of a loved one are involved. Your all alone in your joke. No ones laughing.
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didnt really like his movies. not really a fan of him, probably cause 10 things was so lame. shocking to see people so young go but still i'll be ok with them having a differeent joker in batman 3. they have a different rachel so whats the dif.
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found out via the news.that sucks.
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Addiction is a disease and "If" this was the cause then well. It's tragic, and your a cunt for calling the man a selfish whatever. If you don't have the disease, be greatful. If you do, and this is another incident thats alarmed you. Relize that someone big is tapping on your shoulder to find help. I say A.A. and use it as if it's N.A. cause if your not a drunk and you do drugs your addicted to both, and saying you just have a problem with one is only gonna insure you return to your sickness by abusing the other more to cope, but I'm not supposed to tell you about A.A. and well I say fuck that. It's and your willpower to get sober is your only choice for a life of recovery. You will never be cured but you will have the tools to cope.
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Not much more to say...I didn't know him, don't know if he was a druggie or not. Doesn't matter.
Unless the dead person a murderer or child abuser/molester, then theres such a thing as a basic respect for the dead. When did people lose the ability to just say "What a shame, my condolences to his friends and family"? Is that so hard?
By all accounts the man was hard working, supported charities and was respected in his chosen field - that to me speaks of a decent person. Condemning him when we don't have all the facts is grossly unfair.
If after all is said and done and he DID kill himself, the real victim is his young daughter who will forever be without her father, and have a negative stigma throughout her own life. Ledger would still get some sympathy from me, as he clearly would have required help, and the mind can make people do some messed up things.
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well part of it...damn that fucker was a damn good actor...I'm a hetero guy and his performance in that film just moves me to tears...just an incredible performance and he will be missed..rip hl
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Jan 22, 2008 11:27:11 PM CST
So Terrence Malick picked Heath Ledger for the lead in TREE OF L
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It would be an awesome epic had Heath not passed away. James Dean's death did not affect GIANT and there was a legend the director George Stevens received death threats not to trim the scenes with James Dean on the cutting room floor. Too bad, because Mr Malick and Heath Ledger collaborating on the film would be fantastic. O well, time to search for another fresh-faced actor. How about Jamie Bell?
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Fuck Fuck Fuck. My heart goes out to his family. His mom, dad, daughter. Shit.
As a father, I'm torn apart by this. Heath seemed like such a solid guy.
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First of all, let me preface for all the whiney douchebags who are crying throughout this TB. Heath Ledger's death is a trajedy for his family and friends, whether he caused it or not.
Harry's original post on this topic is nothing less than laughable though. Heath Ledger was A FUCKING ACTOR!!! Nothing more. He stood in front of a camera and pretended to be other people. He didn't die for his country. He didn't die saving someone from a burning building.
Aside from what he was to his friends and family, he wasn't anything special to the world. This celebrity worship in our society really has to stop.
You can't walk down a supermarket checkout line without seeing at least 5 different magazines with covers exclaiming nothing more than what color shit Suri Cruise took last week.
Then there are the countless televised award shows where show business people congratulate each other about how great they are.
As the great Bill Shatner once said, "People, you really need to get a life."
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you stupid fat cunt harry. worrying about what's going to happen to the films.. "ooh what's gonna happen to the new Gilliam? ooh...".
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make me sick. I know there are a lot of morbid and cynical fucks on these TBs but I didn't think some were this low. The guy never murdered or raped anyone, he has only been reported to be a good, friendly person. And you have no sympathy because he may OR MAY NOT have taken over-the-counter pills without any knowledge of why he may have been taking them. So with this little knowledge you instantly have no sympathy?
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make me sick. I know there are a lot of morbid and cynical fucks on these TBs but I didn't think some were this low. The guy never murdered or raped anyone, he has only been reported to be a good, friendly person. And you have no sympathy because he may OR MAY NOT have taken over-the-counter pills without any knowledge of why he may have been taking them. So with this little knowledge you instantly have no sympathy?
Allowing fans to give their thanks and blessings to Heath and his family is one of the reasons why the internet is so great, however, the sick, heartless loners who trashtalk a dead human who can not defend themselves, make the internet a shitty place to be. -
Go fuck yourself. He was more than an actor? Pray tell just what more was he? Did he shit gold bars? Piss the elixir to cure cancer? Get over myself? Point out in my post where I boosted myself above anyone else?
Again, for the dense assholes: CONDOLENCES TO THE FRIENDS AND FAMILY OF HEATH LEDGER. And to those of you who are acting like the savior of humanity just died, GET A LIFE. Oh, and fuck you again, Demode. -
This is such shocking news. I really loved Heath. I can't believe he would die and in such a scandalous fashion. He's the last person I would have expected to die from a OD. Truly sad. RIP and prayers out to Michele and their child.
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I just created an account to comment on this tragedy hoping the people that know and love this guy will see my comment among the hundreds paying respect.
I loved Brokeback Mountain, but when Heath was cast as The Joker I really thought it was a mistake at first. But then I saw the trailers for The Dark Night online and in those brief seconds I was totally rocked by his portrayal.
I saw I Am Legend in theatres, and was lucky enough to see an extended scene from The Dark Knight featuring The Joker pulling a bank robbery, and was completely blown away. It was the most awesome thing I've seen in a long time. I saw the promotional photo of him in full Joker regalia, green vest and purple coat with buttons everywhere, sleeves open, Heath looking over his shoulder and was sold.
Its a sad such a gifted person won't be able to entertain us anymore, but its a tragedy for his friends and family. I just hope they know how much we think of him professionally since that is the only way we know him, and we are sorry for their loss personally since that is the infinitely more important. -
I can see your point of celebrity worship, but it's pretty misguided here. This is quite different than a typical tabloid magazine about who's getting fat this week, the reason it's shocking with Heath is because like any other big name actor, he is someone we recognize because he entertained us, we enjoyed seeing him and watching him for two hours a time. He was someone hundreds of people looked up to as an inspiration for their future perhaps, or just someone they admired.
I don't think that it's all about celebrity worship. Harry might be more affected because he actually met the man, and I can bet that Heath was someone that Harry looked up to. People can be upset because he was a talented, good natured person who had a bright future, it's not just about the headlines or because he was a god. It's because he went too soon and he's someone who shouldn't have.
Celebrity worship is when you mimic Paris Hilton's wardrobe or know who Jessica Simpson is dating this week. Mourning a talented actors death is not worship. And he was more than an actor, that's just what you and I saw from him. He was a person above that, and you shouldn't ignore that fact. -
this is a MOVIE appreciation site. heath ledger was a good actor taken before his time. that's ENOUGH for talkbackers to be very sad at his passing. it has nothing to do with savior of mankind you 300 lb nerd. that you would even take it there proves you've never kissed a girl in your life. the point is THIS IS A MOVIE SITE. people are discussing an actor if you dont like it GTFO
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Reread Harry's original post and tell me he isn't a celebrity worshipper. I can clearly visualize Harry committing self-flagellation and ululating like a grieving middle eastern woman when I read that.
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You could say he goes overboard, could say he really, really liked Heath. But we shouldn't really be surprised that Harry goes overboard in his posts, considering it's almost his trademark. chocolate pussy juice anyone?
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That '99 film was the first time I saw him on the silver screen. As the male lead, he had good chemistry with Julia Stiles. During an interview, the actress stated how she always wanted to work with him again. God bless Heath and his family.
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The mean spirited people are the one's who hate their lifes and hate how they have no people skills. let them say bad things. No more responding back to their nastiness it makes them feel good about themselves. There is no normal good hearted person in the world who would insult someone's deathand mock them. The people who do are miserable, let them live their life miserable, the'll never find love or success or most of all hapiness. Let them spew their hatred and don't acknowledge it. They need the attention so don't give it to them. We lost a great actor today. Though he'll never be forgotten. Goodnight and God bless all of you.
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That '99 film was the first time I saw him on the silver screen. As the male lead, he had good chemistry with Julia Stiles. During an interview, the actress stated how she always wanted to work with him again. God bless Heath and his family.
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No Joker in Batman 3 then, dammit! And what if Nolan was speaking the truth, that Joker was really the center of the third movie, not TDK. OMFG
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That '99 film was the first time I saw him on the silver screen. As the male lead, he had good chemistry with Julia Stiles. During an interview, the actress stated how she always wanted to work with him again. God bless Heath and his family.
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Do you ever have me figured out. Not. Shut the fuck up, douchebag. Just because you want to suck the cock of every person who makes a living by playing pretend doesn't mean everyone does. Now go jack off to the latest issue of People or Us.
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The mean spirited people are the one's who hate their lifes and hate how they have no people skills. let them say bad things. No more responding back to their nastiness it makes them feel good about themselves. There is no normal good hearted person in the world who would insult someone's deathand mock them. The people who do are miserable, let them live their life miserable, the'll never find love or success or most of all hapiness. Let them spew their hatred and don't acknowledge it. They need the attention so don't give it to them. We lost a great actor today. Though he'll never be forgotten. Goodnight and God bless all of you.
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...but I can't think of a goddamn thing. The Dark Knight was primed to be blockbuster entertainment; and it may still be...but now it'll be sad as hell (ironically) every time we see the Joker yukking it up onscreen. The closest comparison to this, I think, would be Brandon Lee's senseless and accidental death before the release of The Crow.
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Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, Lindsey Lohan, Dr. Phil, Judge Judy, or anyone who is involved with movies like Step Up 2: The Next Flight or How She Move Best Be Better Than How She Talk?!?
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In the Brad Renfro obituary, Bobo_Vision wrote: "Sad, sure; preventable, maybe; inevitable, possibly; will happen again, definitely." Celebrities strung out on drugs and the invincibility of the limelight are doomed. Next up, Britney Spears, the Olsen twins, Bijou Phillips, Robert Downey Jr, Lindsay Lohan, and many, many more. I'm a prophet.
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I just can't believe it's fucking true. I was already pissed for Brad Renfro, and this adds to the sadness. The guy seemed really grounded as you said and this is as shocking and surprising as it is devastating for his work and more than anything his family and young child. This is the ultimate joke upon us, and I hate that. RIP mate.
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but it doesn't look like his death was a random act of God. I'm only saying because it seems mean-spirited and callous to wish his death was magically transplanted to another person who had nothing to do with him. That being said, I always liked the guy since I first saw him in that high-school Taming of the Shrew adaptation (can't remember the name, and hope the writer didn't claim the plot as him own). He had a great screen presence and was damn good at his job. RIP Heath
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Just read about Heath death (its early in the morning over here)and I can't fucking believe it! Sad day for the movieworld and especially his family. RIP Heath.
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RIP young men.
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these things come in threes. Or is it a curse?
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RIP.
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You bet your sweet fucking ass I wish that bitch was dead instead of someone who cares about their family.
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There is a lot of loss here:
Heath and his blossoming career.
All his, and the cast and crew of Dark Knight who will be gutted.
The Batman franchise may not recover from this.
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No, not really. Just flambaiting.
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"selfish people who don't appreciate what they have"... that so called "coward's way out" talking always makes me sick. No offense to you, but fuck them and anyone who thinks that way.
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I want to make it very clear that I don't care about the former Mrs K-Fed. Frankly, when K-Fed becomes a better parent than any person in question, seppuku should follow. My point was, a very good actor that seemed to only get better with age died. While a tragedy, it doesn't sit well with me to immediately wish other people dead.
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Then be sad. There is no law of nature that determines when you should grieve. Whether it is for Heath the actor or Heath the man, then grieve.
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Who knows why people do what they do. He was obviously pretty troubled if he was stressed and couldn't sleep. That could definitely take a toll. He had so much promise. Very, very sad. His friends and family are in my thoughts and prayers.
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but I truly hope they didn't pull a comic book "baddie faking his death" ending for TDK. That would be tasteless and the studio would probably butcher it to not upset some people. I imagine it's too late to change anything. Same doesn't apply to the Gilliam flick (as someone said before, the guy is cursed) but the toughest part will be to find an equally talented actor in replacement.
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sorry for the mispelling, and silly attempt at humor in an unfitting situation.
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God truly is a cruel man.
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But I can't help thinking about how my favourite franchise is being crippled again. The whole thing is tainted now. How can we take it seriously knowing Ledger is dead?
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Despite the pills, it's being reported no sign of him od on drugs.
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I liked him, and I really hope it isn't anything like drugs or him killing himself or him overdosing on drugs. It'll tarnish his image. Also he had a 3:30pm massage appointment. It was the housekeeper who found him, who was coming up to inform him of jis appt.
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He had a career, money and more possibilitys than we can gather in 100 lives... but that didnt made him happy. Rest in peace Man.
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Yes, sure but also, in another way, no, not really. To all intents and purposes, Ledger was the lead in Gilliam's film - even though he doesn't turn up until a good number of scenes in and isn't the title role, he's the lead in the way that, say Robin Williams was in The Fisher King, as opposed to Jeff Bridges.
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alot of us are pissed because of the dark knight.
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I love movies, and I love watching actors who contribute to making movies great. Ledger has been on my "list of favorites" since I was a silly high schooler and 10 Things came out. I remember naively emailing Oprah, telling her she should have him as a guest on her show. I had pictures of him on my door, the silly teenie bopper I was. It seemed as I grew, so did his career and choices in movie roles. I so looked forward to all he was going to do with his career. I never met him, so I cannot say I will miss him. But he seemed like a really decent, grounded man, one whom I would have liked to meet... But I know I will miss the work I will never get to see because it hasn't yet been made... My heart goes out to his friends and family. Rest in Peace, Heath.
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I was stunned when I saw this on the breakfast news. My feelings go firstly to his family. Terrible tragedy.
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Wasted talent? I think not. This guy made the most of his talents in all of his films. Mark my words, but in all due respect to Jack Nicholson, Heather Ledger's Joker performance will blow Jack's to pieces. It will be a performance that everyone will be talking about. He will forever be remembered for this role and his Broke Back role. RIP Heather.
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And truly sad.
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I think he's family is well off enough.
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he was 28 right? incredibly sad... my thoughts go out to his still-new family - his little girl will only ever know him through his movies...
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So sad and unbelievable. Don't know what to say but "Thank you! Rest well."
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That when something tragic like this happens Harry is "I f'ing hate this world". He is as much a part of the blame as anyone. Sure he praises films, but he also runs a site that feels fine to personally attack people like "Paul the hack Anderson", and others they deem talentless. Allow people to publically declare "**** raped my childhood". Should somone like Paul W.S Anderson have comitted suicidie, how much blame would Harry be willing to take? F all I'm sure. People like you Harry as responsible for putting pressure on stars, saying their work is great, or awful, building them up, or breaking them down and will never accept any of the blame. Sick.
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May your last performance blow the world away...as we all know its going to.
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this sucks
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It's exactly people like you I'm talking about. Got talent - fine, not got talent - drug dealing, whore loving people devoid of meaning, doesn't matter if you live or die. Did I get that right?
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Jan 23, 2008 2:40:27 AM CST
He was one of my favorite actors, I'm completely shocked and ups
by industrykiller!
His performance in Brokeback Mountain (which is one of my all time favorite films) is one of the most honest I have ever seen, it should seriously be taught in acting classes. If you wanna get deeper into his body of work check out Candy, which came out last year and not a lot of people saw. It's a fairly standard drug film but anchored brilliant by Ledger's fantastic performance. I literally haven't been able to get the out of my head all day. Just absolutely heartbreaking news. I didn't know the guy, but I certainly admired him and the work he did and was going to do in the future. Condolences to his little girl and entire family.
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Condemned to grow up without a father. What a shitty way to start in life, no matter fame and money.
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People show respect and don't judge when someone dies because one day it'll be their turn. Sound a little selfish? Maybe. But it works...
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its so frustrating that he wont be around to see the reaction to possibly his best role.
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who dies from the use of narcotics. Especially when they have children. The people I feel sorry for are his family and loved ones. If you take drugs, then you have to be willing and aware of the possibile dire consequences.
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Who the fuck is talking about not having sympathy? If people take Ambien and have a bad reaction should we not have sympathy. Idiots should keep their mouths shut until they know what the fuck happened.
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Complete shock when I saw the news this morning in the UK, a master talent taken away from the entertainment industry and a family man not getting the chance to see his daughter grow up!!
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i dont know what to say. but fuck is the only thing coming to my mind... fuck fuck fuck!!!!!!!!!
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Learned about this tragedy whilst watching AVP:R at the cinema. This awful news. I couldn't believe it, refused to.
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First Renfro, then Ledger... these things come in threes, guys.
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you make a fair comment but calling me an idiot is not really necessary. Early indications are that it was a drugs overdose. One thing I will say is that it doesn't matter whether he died of illegal or prescription drugs, it's not fair, as Amy WhinyArse is still walking and she takes anything and everything.
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This is so depressing. Ledger was fast becoming one of the finest actors of his generation. It's a tradegy that we won't get to see him realise his full potential. Thoughts to family and friends...
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My blood boils everytime I read the "let's not pass judgement until we find out what caused his death" lines. So, if it turned out he indeed O.D.'d on sleeping pills or heroin or whatever he would qualify as a selfcentered asshole who we really, truly shouldn't feel any kind of sympathy for ? You dumb nasty fuckers. I think it's pretty safe to assume Ledger was a very sensitive guy who suffered from severe, deep deep depressions, something which I know a thing or two about. You don't have a clue what you're talking about if you haven't experienced that yourself. Probably the main reason I'm so sad about his passing is because I totally dug the guy right away from the moment I first saw him in The Patriot. Every movie I saw him in I totally liked his performances from, and for his portrayal in Brokeback, well, the guy couldn't have made a more daring and ballsier decision (Gyllenhaal as well) to play that part in that one-of-a-kind, out-standing movie and he was truly wonderful in it.
So go watch that film if you hadn't done that already to see one of the best young actors of our time in that great film. Go ahead, you don't have to be gay to like that movie (I'm not), just being able to be moved by superb films and great acting will more than do the trick.
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...this was the last thing I expected to see when I woke up this morning. His poor family. And poor Chris Nolan, having to sit in an edit suite and watch Heath on that screen.
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Actually SLoanists comment on idiots is entirely fair as it is much milder terms than used by most of the fuckwits who rushed to judge on early speculation.
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he died from an overdose of sleeping pills, it could have been a reaction. all accidental.
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I hate the people who seem to hate people just they take drugs. Not every person is a strong human being. Some people are sad and depressed and some people are too weak and give in. You shouldn't hate someone or look down on them for no reason. No one has any right to be judgmental toward someone else. No matter what the reasons involving his death, it's still tragic and I feel sorry for what happened to him and for the pain it's going to cause those closest to him. And for some people to wish death upon people like Britney Spears or Paris Hilton or Amy Winehouse, you people are some sick son of a bitches to joke about something like that. And no matter if it was Heath Ledger or Paul WS Anderson like some people say, it would still be sad. The only reason it's more personal for me is because he was a person who I grew up watching beginning with "10 Things I hate About You" and I've had nothing but praise for his upcoming role as The Joker, as well as his phenomenal work in Brokeback Mountain. Also, no matter who it was Harry would have posted a story on it, so don't be pricks and come to this site and disrespect the man. Bunch of inconsiderate douchebags on here. RIP Heath.
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That this talkback is proof that 40% to 60% of the populace is sociopathic and removed enough from the art of social interaction to pass judgment without tact or knowledge. This is what the internet truly robs us of, the risk to being smacked the fuck out of is the only thing that keeps some people from acting like masturbating monkeys.
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I really can't believe some of the pricks on here, condemning someone without any facts.
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Maybe its true what the Government bods say...that violence and death on TV desensitizes people in real life, so that they no longer feel anything when someone actually dies. Yes, we didn't really know him. Yes, our lives will continue as normal today and tomorrow. But a man, one known by millions as a brand, has died. Hi work inspired some, turned off others, but ultimately gave us something to think about, talk about. Without him and the thousands of other actors, writers, editors, sound guys etc, there would be no Talkback, aintitcool, or movies in general. For trying to entertain us with a commendable talent, I salute you Sir. You actually got paid to do something you loved, and you lived your short life to the fullest. RIP to you.
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Re:Maybe its true what the Government bods say...that violence and death on TV desensitizes people in real life, so that they no longer feel anything when someone actually dies........Nah man, some people are just assholes.
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God, so fucked up i had to wake up and hear this sad news.
I´m in complete shock, dont know what to say.
He will leave us amazing performances and one last bang as The Joker from TDK, that will blow people away.
Very fucking sad.
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Weekend at Jokers!
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Was an arsehole. Great actor but and arsehole.
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I also am taking this very hard. First saw him in A Knights Tale and his performance there was a signpost of much greater skills for the future.
To al those Talkbackers who say "FUCK HIM MAN - I DONT CARE HE WAS A DRUGGIE PILL POPPER". Well, fuck you! Have some bloody respect you pricks. Isnt the latest that the death may have been accidental.
I for one know the harm prescription drugs can do, following three years of hell with prolapsed discs and upper-thorasic spine problems. Those drugs helped me sleep occasionally and helped me live a tolerable life. But the left me with a serous addiction which I'm now almost free of.
The point is you guys don't know what's been happening in Heaths life so STF up.
Bottom line is you should have a great deal more respect for him and his surviving wife and daughter. Your opinion on this is worthless and degrading to his legacy.
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Sad day for all. Rest in Peace, Heath.
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Really these opinions are not valid or helpful an such a day. We should be remembering him fondly.
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... after reading some of the vindictive shit on this thread. When BringingSexyBack becomes the voice of reason on a TalkBack you know that the End Times have come at last. I understand about displaced anger and all that, but some of you are just trying to fucking score points off a dead man... I mean if this is what it takes for you to validate your manhoods, then I can't even begin to imagine what pathetic little creeps you must be. I am thankful that Heath was able to spend what little time he had with us. I am grateful for the gift of his brilliant performances. I will try to learn from his accomplishments and from his failures, even from this final tragic mistake (if indeed it was one). And although I never met him, I will miss him. G'Bye Mate.
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Everyone deals with grief in different ways.
Some solemn words, some crying, and some tacky/tasteless jokes. That's life!
That being said, I'll probably see TDK five or six times - as will all of you.
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This is some shitty news to say the least.
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May you be at peace. All the best to your friends and family. So sad when a person dies before their time. So sad that his daughter well never know her father.
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...or just typical ambulance chasers who jump to ill-informed conclusions in our celebrity-addled culture. Here's an idea: since most of us don't know shit about other people's lives, maybe we should just shut up until we do. Which for a lot of us means shutting up period.
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They seem to quickly degenerate into petty squabbles, name-calling, blame-laying and insult-throwing. One thing if it's in a movie talkback, but this is an obituary talkback, for God's sake. Save us the moralising and point-scoring for another occassion. Want to leave a comment? Comment on the sad loss of a young talent, write your condolences, or just leave a simple RIP but please, show some respect.
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I couldn't help but think about the strange coincidence, in comparing this shocking news of Ledger's death with Brandon Lee's death, during filming of THE CROW. I mean, how strange is it that Lee and Ledger both wore an evil (looking) distortion of clown make-up? --And in their last movies, too? As I scroll the talkback subject lines, I see a number of people making that connection. And I don't mean to...well, this is just sad news. This is very sad news. And for me, Brandon Lee's death was especially shocking because I was such a HUGE fan of his range of talent (and not to mention that I was a fan of his father, the legendary Bruce Lee). And people are saying such things about Heath Ledger, in that his talent had more range than what we see in his acting. And I can't help but think that Heath's performance in "THE DARK KNIGHT", even as incredible as it may yet prove to be,...will ultimately feel bittersweet. Rest in peace, Heath.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHMR_PoOYMY
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One of the better younger actors, fearless decisions lately...Great at 'not playing himself' (as is Bale - TDK will be something special, indeed). Yes, there are quite a few dicks here...Some people so downright jealous that complete strangers are outpouring such grief for a movie star. "Idol worship!" they cry. Get over it...This is why people are grieving: Heath seemed to be, from all interaction with the press, a genuinely nice - if possibly intense - guy. He had talent and personality, didn't spend time egotistically promoting himself, and took the job damn seriously. Drugs? We'll see, but some things about the circumstances don't fit that version. Getting doped up before a massage, in the middle of the day? Hmm...I wouldn't. True - he may have been depressed from the break-up with Williams, but committing suicide with pills? And while having an appointment later in the day? There are exceptions, but so far that picture isn't being painted. But I also DON'T HAVE ALL THE FACTS, and don't feel that sick little need to go 'told you so' to some smarmy little gossip group at work. So instead, I'll quit pondering and simply send my condolences to his family and friends. May you rest in peace, Mr. Ledger.
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adds more weight to his final film, such a loss. rest in peace HL.
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And I'm not stating that Heath did or did not take drugs...But I agree with one of the above posts about not hating someone just because they have done or still have a problem with drugs. I do not take drugs anymore, but I used to do just about everything under the sun and moon at one point or another, to varying degrees. This gives me the perspective to realize that at the end of the day we are all human and are all fallibe. However, I believe that a celebrity with a drug problem seems to give some of the individuals here - perhaps unhappy with other aspects of their lives, or again, just jealous of the support someone receives - the chance to go 'Well, at least I wasn't a druggie like him! What a fucking idiot, etc, etc.' But keep in mind that these comments are just selfish exclamations made to make them feel better about their own little lives. Especially when incidents like today make them take stock and realize that, well, they don't have anyone in their life that remotely cares about them. These people will always die alone, no matter how many 'friends and family' they will try and surround themselves with.
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The Crow wasn't released for I think about a year after Brandon's demise, and at the time it was debated whether it should've been released at all. It was truly painful to watch it, as I too had been a huge Bruce Lee fan and was waiting for this movie, which I know Brandon was extremely proud of. I saw it about 5 times at the theater, and lots of people were pretty emotional during the film.
Good thing the Internet wasn't around then otherwise the cyber-sociopaths would have ruined his memory just like you irredeemably useless douches are doing to Heath. And just as it was then, when the news was sensationalizing and speculating on a "Lee Curse", you assholes and Fox / TMZ are talking about alleged drug use and overdosing, and shitting on a dead man's memory. Talk about the Westboro loons being fuck crazy? The only thing separating you lot from them is you're not picketing. Filthy cunts. -
but a talented one, heath was a normal aussie, done some pot. took ambien to sleep. the end.
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Its been noted. He had trouble sleeping after this role. He toom pills to help. They didn't work. He had pneumonia. All added up, thye may have resulted in cardiac arrest.
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I agree with Harry's wholehearted entry--it's terrible news and the worst part is to think about his little daughter. Sad, sad news. RIP Heath
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... I've had fights with you on these threads more than once, and generally have had a pretty low opinion of you... until now. Why does it take something fucking tragic like this to make me respect you? Thank you for proving me wrong, and fuck these vultures, your Fred Phelps comparison was spot-on, brother.
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So much junkie trash in Hollywood, so many attention-seeking pseudoactresses and yet Heath and Brad Renfro a few days ago, guys with true potencial, are the ones that bite the dust.
Any death is sad, but the reason this is SO SAD is that Heath was about to reach a new height in his career. We were all just waiting to see him kick ass on TDK. He was such a talented guy, WHAT A LOSS. -
sensitive. There are only a handful of idiots who can't help kicking someone when they're down.
What makes them even bigger morons is that they are just tired, walking cliches.
One day people will learn that everyone can make a mistake. Some of us are lucky to be able to do it in privacy or to learn from it. Others, like Heath, no matter how he died, didn't have a chance to correct the mistake.
Years ago, I drank too much alcohol and made a stupid mistake with pills. I almost died but managed to pull through. It was the best thing that happened to me. A wake up call that changed my life. I am happy that I was given a chance to realise how many opportunities I had to grow as a person. Heath wasn't so lucky.
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Heath's death is sad news indeed but let's not get too crazy about it. I'm stil at work today. I hope his Joker kicks ass. Looks like it will. Sad news but it looks like suicide or an OD situation, which is just moronic and cruel to your family and 2-year old child.
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My wife heard the news first, and told me over dinner. I was shocked. Apparently, she didn't think I'd know who he was. She was surprised by my reaction, because although I hadn't mentioned it to her I was really looking forward to seeing Ledger's portrayal of Joker (and still am).
As sad as the news is, I feel badly for his child, his estranged wife, and everyone who counted on him. Ledger was living a life few of us can, and his role in Batman was only gonna catapult his career into the stratosphere. He was a star, had everything going for him, and it was only gonna get BETTER. Sure, maybe there was a little mental illness there, depression maybe, some apparent drug abuse. But when you succumb to drug addiction, or intentionally take your own life when others need you, my regard for you is diminished. I know that sounds cruel, but I live with mental illness in my family, depression and schizo, and yet all of us (even the afflicted) work 'regular' jobs five days a week and support our families, and barely make it with inflation and our bullshit salaries. Yet you don't see us--and so many other 'regular' folks with real p problems, just giving up and copping out on life. Whereas Ledger was looking forward to an afternoon massage.
I don't mean to sound like a callous asshole about it. This is terrible news, and I do feel badly for the guy. But more so for his daughter, who won't get to know her dad because he was voluntarily 'troubled' in the way so many celebs are. I just thought this kid Ledger was above all that nonsense. Guess not. You can flame me, but truth don't burn easy. I'd like to think it was merely the case of being addicted to drugs and having an accidental overdose. I don't wanna think this guy ended it all on purpose, taking himself from his daughter. -
Regardless of the cause of death it's tragic to see you go. You were a talent and so different than the attention starved stars. I wish we had been able to see more of you.
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sensitive. There are only a handful of idiots who can't help kicking someone when they're down.
What makes them even bigger morons is that they are just tired, walking cliches.
One day people will learn that everyone can make a mistake. Some of us are lucky to be able to do it in privacy or to learn from it. Others, like Heath, no matter how he died, didn't have a chance to correct the mistake.
Years ago, I drank too much alcohol and made a stupid mistake with pills. I almost died but managed to pull through. It was the best thing that happened to me. A wake up call that changed my life. I am happy that I was given a chance to realise how many opportunities I had to grow as a person. Heath wasn't so lucky.
I'd like to hear from someone who has never done something stupid and regretted it. It can happen to absolutely anyone under the right circumstances. That's just the way humans are. We all have the capacity to kill ourselves either on purpose or accident. Sad but true. -
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Heart attacks happen. i think this is one of those cases. He had such stress upon him because of this role, pneumonia, the sleeping tablets and such.
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You Talkbackers are the biggest bunch of sycophantic and hypocritical wankers going! As soon as the announcement came through that Heath Ledger was cast as the Joker in The Dark Knight, you couldn't wait to pull out the gay remarks and trash the guy's career back to the stoneage. Oh, but now that the guy's dead you can't wait to see his final performance and believe it'll be a fitting finale to a brilliant but all too short acting career. You fucks make me sick!
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I have to say, I wasn't always a fan of his, but I still respected his acting. Caught him first in "The Patriot" then again in "A Knight's Tale". I couldn't get over the story of "Brokeback Mountain", which meant I never saw it. I've heard it's one of his best roles, so now I'll probably give it a chance now. But still, even with that, I still want to give my condolences to the family, his daughter, and his ex. He was a really promising actor. I'm gonna miss what he could've done.
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I'll wait to hear after they do the autopsy, but I hope to God that he didn't take his own life. As one who as a very young daughter, I cannot begin to fathom leaving her. Again, I hope that's not the case with Heath, because from all reports like others have mentioned, he supposedly was a good guy.
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Heath was already out of that. RIP man...
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Yeah, it sounds morbid to say, but I hope it was accidental death. Frankly, I haven't seen a lot of his films, but based on the acclaim he got for Brokeback, I'm really looking forward to Batman, and I'd hate to think this guy had EVERYTHING going for him, but he consciously did not want it, and so badly did not want it that he was willing to turn his back on family, friends, and colleagues. It's just sad any way you look at it. I'm no coroner--can an autopsy help determine if an excess helping of pills was taken with the intent to kill oneself (as opposed to 'well, I just wanna really knock myself out tonight, and maybe I'll feel better tomorrow')? I dunno.
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Who is known as a mass murdering schizophernic, Thus he had problems sleeping, according to what i heard. Ouch!
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Last night I tried over 12 times to post. But I guess traffic so strong here that I wasn't able to get a word in edge-wise. People here probably don't even remember what I wrote. So, here it is,"If this pill thing IS true, than as opposed to Harry, I AM pissed at him. I remember my buddy saying both Nolans and the editors at DC said he'd need serious therapy after going to this dark of a place. (God I hope that isn't what did it. No part, no comic, no goddamn thing in this goddamn world is worth that.) For Christ's sake he had a two year old little girl."--Now, I want it known that I started that rather emotional reaction with "IF". Then some dickweed comes along and calls him "scum" instantly making me guilty by association. WELL I'm not the kind of fuck who just condemns or makes fun of a poor soul whose light has gone out of the world. Was I pissed? Sure. And sad. And frustrated. And confused. And shocked. And I don't what all else. I have no words for the flurry of emotions I felt last night, and that's what I wanted to say. I haven't felt this bad since we lost Phil Hartman. Why? I don't know. But I couldn't disassociate myself from that tragedy, I couldn't disassociate from losing Brandon Lee or John Candy, and I sure as hell can't do it now. Bottom line: I want him back. I know I didn't know personally. So what? I know that there WERE a couple of times from screen to seat he got to me. I want him to still be making movies, for himself as much for his fans. I want him to be telling the Actor's Studio years from now that little Matilda wasn't allowed to watch DTW till she was 15 because didn't he want her to look at him weirdly. I want him to grow old, have the realtionships he wants, and I want him to be an old man that every says, "Ledger's in the movie? Well, then I'm definitely going to see it." My wife put it best, "It came out of left field. There are plenty of people who it happens to and you think, 'Sad. But not a surprise.' Not him though. He would've been at the bottom of the list I would've picked." Now, pneumonia, drugs, lack of sleep, depression or a combination of all of the above it doesn't matter to me. I don't care. It still sucks beyond all comprehension. what makes it all the creepier is my buddy, who was at the WizardCon panel, e-mailed me yesterday to say that he'd just seen the trailer and we were "so going." I told him he needed to keep up with AICN because it had been up for a long time, and being such a huge Batman fan, he needed to catch up to everyone else. It sends chills down my spine to even think about. Sometimes this world is just fucking rotten.
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The media loves to hype up things and twist things for shock value to grab the headlines.
"Pills strewn out around him" really meant he had two bottles of sleeping pills, one prescription and one OTC in the same room, both in bottles. Doesn't mean he killed himself.
"Found naked". Like that's so vile and sinful. Big deal. Lots of guys sleep in the nude.
"Drug overdose" Says who? I'd wait for the autopsy from the Coroner's Office before making that statement.
He had pneumonia, probably wasn't sleeping in an elevated postion like you're supposed to, took some sleeping pills to try and get some rest, and didn't wake up to clear his breathing passage of drainage and suffocated. The events are a terrible tragedy on its own without the media speculating and twisting it isn't into something more shocking to grab headlines. -
Sorry for the missing words and typos. I just wanted to finally post that before I wasn't allowed to due to traffic again.
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If you want to see the police photos, they are up on this site, but who knows how they got there.
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"Found naked". Like that's so vile and sinful. Big deal. Lots of guys sleep in the nude.--Absolutely fuckin right. He was also supposed to be getting a massage. People are naked for that too.
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it wasn't drugs, it was an accidental overdose of sleeping pills. i hate when people comment on minor information, why don't you read abit. It wasn't a suicide and he wasn't a drug addict.
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your buddy is a huge batman fan but only saw the trailer yesterday? reminds me of this dude I knew who was apparently obsessed with Batman but never heard of The Dark Knight Returns.
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You think I give a fuck if this reminds you of Brandon Lee? Look, a human being is dead, period end of story. Stop looking for an inference to blather about. Just as "flames on optimus" does not equal "nipples on the batsuit," Heath Ledger dying does not equal Brandon Lee dying. Also, this situation, while tragic, is just like any other man, woman, or child who dies in Iraq. Senseless.
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Right. It was drugs.
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So they both had clown make-up in their last movie...stop the fucking presses!
There is no other connection, other than that and their age. So are we to believe that every 28 year old that dies is connnected?
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Don't you hate the overwhelming sense of shame that people here in the US have over nudity and sexuality? Why even report that but to grab more headlines? When you go to a funeral or read an obituary, it never reads..."John Smith, loving father and husband, was born Jan 12, 1951, he was dearly loved by family and friends, was a Veteran of the Armed Services and served with distinction. He died of a heart attack last Tuesday and was found naked in his bed."......Does that ever happen?! Fucking media! Gimme a break!! Totally uncalled for.
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I thought he's been great fun to watch since "10 things I hate about you". Seriously... what a loss.
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Didn't she die from the same thing (sleeping pill overdose??). I don't see what Bruce Lee, Brandon Lee, or Stan Lee have to do with this.
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..I was really bummed out when I heard Brandon was killed while filming the Crow.This guy had so much potentual although nowhere as legendary as his father, I enjoyed his films: Rapid fire & Showdown in little tokyo. does Heath's death equal Brandon's? yes and no
both had promising careers,both died before their films were released and both(aesthetically speaking) wore harrlequin makeup while filming their respective roles based on comic characters.
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which did a very good piece on him around the time of Brokeback mountain. In that article, it traced it his early years, he had to hide the factor he was an actor from his parents and went to great lengths to do so inclduing burning all souvenir programs and having his sister destroy all press reviews.little did he know that sister kept all of them and put them in a scrapbook. He kept getting lead roles and very soon this young perth actor could not hide it from his parents anymore. He had a number of run ins with his parents of acting. One day his sister did show the scrapbook to the parents and that was they relented. He did have in the past a love hate relationship with the Aussie press. A couple of years ago one of them went up to him and sprayed him with a water. There is a thing in australia called tall poppie syndrome where they will cut people down to size. Barry Humphries was also a victim of this. After the run in with the water gunning report Ledger quit australia for good. and took his wife and child with him. Heath ledger disliked the interview process as well as the casting process. After ten things I hate about you. he seems to have suffered some sort of break down. All he was offered was the role of the hunk. he rebelled against that sort of role. He was cast in the sin eater which bombed. I dont really think hollywood knew what to do with him. He was up for roles but would fail to show up for auditions. Many considered Brokeback mountain to be his last throw of the dice. It was and will remain his best performance. He was hyped up to be in contention for oscardom and when Jake gyllenhall, that must have been a bitter slap. Then add to that his marriage collapsing. He was a very troubled soul. I think that joker possibly suited him in a way. then there is the odd story of Larry williams. and why he had to back to the us and was barred from entering austraslia. very odd business.
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Me rike Bluce Ree. He hava son, Blandon. Blandon was shot death whire wolking on the Clow. Hima die, painfur death. Hima hava no connection to a Heath Redger.
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I'll bet Aaron Eckhart is a bit spooked and just flushed ANYTHING that looks like a pill down the toilet. This is just a senseless waste. Ledger was the first true method-based actor since Daniel Day Lewis, and his performance in Brokeback was and is legendary. Such a waste.
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So what if it was a suicide.So what if it was an accident.Nice posts by the retarded bunch here.Some of you people complain about this site, the articles, and reviews. Yet, you are the morons who make it what it is. A young man is gone. That is sad. His family and friends will never see him again. Many of you are worried about whether a movie will be completed. Pathetic. Others try to make some stupid comparisons to someone elses death a few years back. Dumb. Too bad that is all some of you have to offer the world. I guess it is too much to wish that people would think before typing away to get their post up on here.My hat is off to the posts that genuinely show respect to this young man of talent. It isn't how he died but the legacy he left. I enjoyed his work. Good actor and always enjoyed his performances. I wish his family and friends my best.
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When things like this happen it is natural to wonder what happened. I know stories have come out say Mr. Ledger found the role of the Joker very difficult and he was having trouble sleeping. Why was the role of the Joker difficult? I could only guess that something in his childhood, maybe something he had forgotten had been awaken by the role. It could have been a childhood fear of clowns or even just a child hearing about John Wayne Gacy (a serial killer who entertained neighborhood children by playing a clown at parties). I would have to think whatever bothered him about the role touched on something he was not prepared for. It is so sad to see such potential wasted and hurtful to not to know how to fix it in the future.
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Are the ones who are most down-to-earth. Bale, Crowe, you name 'em. Now there's one less.
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2 questions: Where did you learn speak Engrish, and can you get your money back?
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But you make it sound like he was a junkie you dumb fuck. he could have had a reaction to sleeping pills. and they were in containers when they found him. fucking hell. For Heath's sake. Eat shit cunt.
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dont throw that overrated piece of shit Kurt Cobain in the same sentence as Brandon Lee and Heath Ledger. http://tinyurl.com/pv8do
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Abso-fuckin-lutely. What really makes me sick is how I heard about it. On the way home from work, two guys were making fun of the whole thing on a drive-time news show on AM radio. AMFUCKINRADIO? It's not like I was listening to MICHAEL SAVAGE or some other right-wing nutjob. What they said was so distasteful I can't bring myself to repeat it. But needless to say, I thought it was a joke. Then it went on... Then I heard those awful words, "According to news reports..." Goddammit. What month it's turning out to be for people I admire. I've like Renfro since not the CLIENT, but SLEEPERS and loved him in APT PUPIL. I thought he was a much better actor than he was given credit for. Last week, watching my TOMORROW PEOPLE DVD's, I found out Philip Gilbert, the voice of TIM, had died. And now this... What a miserable fuckin' week.
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cnn was saying how he was quoted as saying how playing the joker messed him up and kept him from sleeping and how even sleeping pills weren't working- that he was only getting two hours of sleep- so he was probably taking sleeping pills mixed with something else to help knock himself out
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That sounds about right. He hadn't even read it till this year. He still hasn't read DARK VICTORY. I don't know what his deal is.
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Not all actors rely on memories to become a character, that is the lazy actor. It could of been troubling because The Joker is a fucked up character who sees life as a joke. I can understand why it would be troubling.
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Soap Box? A man is dead , and a small portion of motherfuckers in here are making jokes or saying he had it coming or words to those effect. I don't give a shit what they wrote exactly because it all boils down to the same type of petty, nasty shit that suggests some people have completely lost their ability for empathy and compassion. Whether he overdosed, had an allergic reaction to medication or flatly decided to end his life, this situation is tragic and depressing to those of us who felt this young man had some serious talent. Also, thank you so much for explaining the legality of prescription medication; I honestly didn't know any of that incredibly common knowledge you shared and I certainly never picked up an understadning of drugs while I was working as a drug counselor in a dual diagnosis facility as an undergrad. Look genius, maybe instead of attacking me for my "soap box" you should read some of the vile shit posted here in regards to Ledger's death. I'm not the issue here but kudos for acting like a class A dipshit.
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I did not mean to imply he was using memories to play the Joker, however whatever distrubed him about the Joker may have come from things he had forgotten as a child. You don't see Robert Englund, Anthony Hopkins or other film monsters take their roles so much to heart. And if Mr. Ledger knew something like this might have happened, you would think he would have passed on the role. Clearly something about this role blindsided him and perhaps lack of sleep impaired his judgement.
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Okay I wasn't there, and I'm just thinkign here, but I think the biggest proof that this death is accidental is that if I was personally going to kill myself I'd be sitting or lying down comfortably before doing myself in... maybe I'd even treat myself to a last big expensive meal too... This isn't some scientific reason, but suicide just doesn't fit this picture to me... As much as someone would like to kll themselves they'd very likely take their time reflecting on it in comfort before they did it... Here it seems he was standing up probably thinking he'd missed a dose he was supposed to take and in his drowsiness fucked up the dosage and then fell to the floor... Anyway I'm no CSI guy, just thought I'd let that thought out...
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for the Joker role? Supposedly he isolated himself in a hotel room for a month, working on his voice and laugh and channeling the character through God knows how. I also read he was suffering from severe insomnia and that the pill ambien was giving him only about an hour of sleep. Sounds like the guy needed some serious rest. Severe insomnia can cause depression, delusions, and even mildly psychotic behavior if the symptoms persist long enough.
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And I am not posting this to bash Harry. This is a sincere and hopefully gentle criticism. It's just that I read what Harry has written and between the lines there is a palpable sense that the reason Harry is upset that Ledger is dead is because it might affect movies Harry wants to see. There is a definite air of "Heath Ledger is dead? Does this mean that DARK KNIGHT is screwed? Please don't let it mean that DARK KNIGHT will be delayed!" There are more important things than DARK KNIGHT, guys.
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He is now truely the James Dean of OUR GENERATION. His work will become legend. RIP, you were an amazing actor, and seemed to be a wonderful man. My deepest condolences to his family.
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when we were drawing perspectives on the parallels between Lee and Ledger? Does everyone have to think about what Rickey will think before posting? The same Rickey who idiotically forgot to post in the third person, hence shattering his well-honed TB persona? Shithead: the parallels are there whether you give a shit or not. No one is talking about painted faces except the sophomoric dipshits infesting this place. We're talking about breakthrough actors whose movies did, and were about to, give us some happiness and who died tragically before they can see their own work on the screen. See? A parallel that doesn't reference painted faces. Maybe Rickey needs a nap. Rickey in bad mood. Rickey no have friends. Rickey sad.
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I think I know what you mean. I'm pretty sure Harry isn't that self-involved. (At least not from everything I've read from him before.) But it could've read that way out of the context of his previous postings and reviews. But you're right. Unabashedly, I could care less about the THE DARK KNIGHT's release date at this moment. I hope we get to see this performance, as it is rumored to be triumphant, and might make a fitting tribute. But anybody who thinks that's what matters now has spent WAAAAAY too much time on this site.
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I get what you're saying, but sleeping pills ARE drugs, even prescribed. That's all. Just like nicotine in cigarettes. Controlled substances. Even when a doc says you can and should take something, these things can be dangerous if you don't follow the orders. So yeah it may well have been an accidental sort of thing. But when a non-junkie dies from taking too many pills, even prescribed pills, it can still rightfully be called a 'drug overdose.' Though yes, I can see how this typically has negative implications.
I didn't intend to accuse Ledger of being a junkie, I don't know him from Adam. He's a guy in movies. I was stating that I hope it wasn't that he did it on purpose, given that we've seen this kind of thing before with celebrities, and you'd hate to think someone so well regarded thus far would do that. So I may be a 'dumb fuck,' but I don't think for that reason!
Also, I agree with whoever commented on the media making a big deal out of the fact that he "was found naked." Who cares? Lots of people sleep naked, and even if he wasn't sleeping at the time, what's the worst thing a naked guy could be doing? Whatever it is, it's not so bad that the media should make it out to be something scandalous. But it's typical of them. -
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You asked about it.
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Jan 23, 2008 9:22:20 AM CST
Bush kills a million Iraqies and we despair over a spoiled actor
by pdorwick
God Bless America
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Funny guy. Are you funny for a living? Don't waste that talent here.
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Hahahahah... God, I love Jack!
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his wife was leaving him. strain in the marraige. supposedly because his deep practicing for the joker kinda fucked him up. during shooting he'd locked himself away in a hotel room for six weeks and began to keep a creepy journal in his character. pure joker insanity...about the humor in horrible things like 9/11 and aids, etc. he came out a different person.
everyone involved says his joker is scary as fuck. and apparently it exhausted him, but left him unable to sleep....so he had just gotten addicted to sleeping pills recently.
he literally put his life into this new role. he started out hating comic books and ended up losing himself in the character he'd created.
fucking fox news this morning noted is death in typical sing-song/pause for effect fashion...
heath ledger...most noted for his role... (long pause)...as a gay cowboy
motherfuckers. dark knight isn't even out yet. it will be his trademark and life work. too bad he can't continue the series.
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YES! I laughed out loud...no shit.
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THANK YOU!!! I might not have toned down the frustration in the post... But you got my sentiments exactly. When we lose great talents in their prime it always strikes a familiar sad, minor chord. In fact, on a personal level, I've been to over 25 funerals in my life (I guess Chicagoans just have a higher mortality rate.) And it doesn't matter who I'm mourning, friend, family member, or acquaintence, it always reminds me of losing someone else in my life, and how I felt then, or how I'll feel when I lose someone else. It's a common human reaction. It's just how certain people deal with grief. Now, I wouldn't say I'm nearly in the same spot I was when I lost my cousin or my grandparents, but I AM feeling the same familiar feelings I felt when I heard of previous people who had made an impact on me with their films and talent. Believe it or not, when someone makes you laugh, or makes you cry with a performance, they are doing it as a form of communication. That's what every actor gets into the business for. If they wanted to just get rich or famous there are a dozen easier, more "responsible" ways to do it. People who become actors are trying to get you to hear or see what they have to say in one way or another. And if, per chance, they manage to break out of the screen and actually get to you, it makes you feel a little closer to someone who would otherwise be a stranger. It does for me anyway. Anyway, I guess the point it is, it's still awful no matter how you look at it. And when it happens, no matter what the situation, the same emotions tend to echo through us.
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This has been touched on before but he was just an actor, who really gives a shit? There are millions of things going on right now that are much more important that some actor who fucked up and killed himself. Yea its sad he has a girl and a kid in the background, but that obviously never came into his head when he was popping pills so what should it matter? No one forced that crap down his throat so he deals with the consequences of living that kind of life, unfortunately, shortened lifespan is one of them. I think everyone here just needs to step back and gain a little perspective from this. Now on with the endless replies saying i'm a dick with no compassion!
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Trust me on that one!
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You're a dick with no compassion.
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Thank you Rodo, I try
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Things are rough for everyone, not just working stiffs. Newsflash, celebrities hurt, feel pain, have sorrows, unrealized dreams, crushed hopes, etc. Get over yourselves.
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You're Welcome! It's better than SUCKING dick WITH compassion.
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Terrible news. The guy had only just started out. My thoughts are with his family and friends.
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Please remember to wipe your period blood off of the Talkback board once your vage stops hurting.
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Very true, but I think you may be more familiar with that topic than me
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You're right. There are millions of things going on right now in the world that are more important than this. But you're on a fucking movie site, so Heath Ledger dieing is more important right now than Sundance, Stallone's Rambo ramblings or the Oscars.
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I like you. Not in a gay way...but like all the same.
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I like you. Not in a gay way...but like all the same.
For the record and retards: DYING > dieing(not a fucking word you morons) -
Westboro Baptist Church is picketing his own funeral. That's excellent news, they're only making themselves look stupider.
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I posted a link to the autopsy on both Heath boards.
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Let's not jump to conclusions just yet. This could have very well been an accidental overdose. I don't know many people that take sleeping pills to get high. He had been prescribed sleeping pills and apparently he had said they weren't working. Maybe he took to many in order to try and get some sleep or maybe he mixed them with something he didn't know he wasn't supposed to mix them with. Nobody should jump to conclusions. Prescription medications can kill you if not taken properly, that's why they have to be prescribed.
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It's not that I think any of these wannabe jokesters lack empathy, as I'm sure they might feel something if they went through a more personal loss, but they lack an admiration for heroes, which I think contributes meaning to life.
Now I'm not talking about heroes like the 9/11 rescue workers or dedicated soldiers, but heroes in the sense that we find appeal in people who give us inspiration. Some of my heroes were Bruce Lee, Brandon Lee, James Joyce, Claude Monet, John Lennon, Al Gore, Howard Zinn and so forth across the spectrum. They hold personal meaning for me because of the works they created and the deeds they performed.
And judging from many comments here, Ledger was someone others admired in a similar way. But just because I don't hold him in exactly the same regard doesn't mean I'll be a clown and knock someone because they do. Because I respect that they got inspiration from the guy, and derived meaning from his work.
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I'm sorry, you'll have to remind me of the title. I recall we were discussing "Blood Oath" last week. I read "No Country..." and "The Road" by Cormac Macarthy over the weekend. I'd just seen "No Country" the week before, so I had a bit of a hard-on over that.
I think the reason why Ledger's passing has so many people here debating is because this IS a geek movie website (as Lucasblows so eloquently pointed out), and Ledger features prominently in one of the hottest anticipated movies of the summer. That and, he's already developed a good rep as an actor in his short career, so we're all expecting a lot out of his turn as Joker. His death is a big shocker (at least to me) because usually this kinda thing happens when a star hits a dry spell or arrives at a downturn in their career, and with Ledger this hardly seems the case. So I think this is why some people are speculating; it's not out of disrespect. I don't think anybody here thinks this is a good thing, or something he deserved. People just wonder why? -
It's The Easy Way To Stop Smoking by Allen Carr. Amazon has the book but I think B&N carries the book and the CDs.
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I care you sad motherfucker, he was a great actor. just ignore the news if you don't have anything to say you sick bastard
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At my father's memorial service my brother suddenly made a stupid joke... everybody stared at him in disbelief for about half a second... then suddenly we are all convulsed with laughter. This hard, shaking, laughter went on for several minutes, and afterward we all felt somehow cleansed. There's nothing wrong with gallows humour it is a way of spitting in the face of death. It's the laughter that took away Randall Flagg's power in the Stand, that defeated Mr. Dark in Something Wicked this Way Comes. In my exasperation at some of the douchebags posting here, I do NOT include those who feel a need to deal with grief through nervous life-affirming laughter. Therefore I wish to thank you for your joke about Katie Holmes and for the healing laughter it provoked in me.
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No has made the I can't quit you joke yet.
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I'm not disagreeing with you. What you said is one possible truth, or possible way of looking at this tragedy. The words you chose just happen to be at one end of a spectrum of reactions people seem to be having.
Chestbumpingfatkids, I totally agree about the world being a pretty ugly place that with each day seems to become a worse place to want to live in. But speaking as a parent, while on my darkest days I might want to turn my back on this cruel world, I could never bring myself to turn my back on my kids and leave them without a dad for however many years I might otherwise have been around (plus, I haven't seen the new 'Rambo' yet). I think that's something people here are having an issue with, and they're raising it not to slam on the recently deceased hollywood star, but rather to say what their thoughts are on parenting (or not parenting). Even if this was an accident, he must have had to have taken a lot of pills or a messed up mix of pills while still conscious and aware of the danger of doing so. This doesn't make him a 'bad' person. It would just mean he wasn't thinking clearly, or hadn't thought things through. I guess what I'm saying to people who insist it was an accident is, okay, but in my experience it's just unheard of to fatally OD on a couple little ambiens or whatever. Clearly, there's more we don't know. And however it turns out, it's still sad. I'm still gonna see 'Batman' this summer, and I hope Ledger is a terrific Joker, so that he can have that final great performance as a legacy. I suppose it's good in a way that the film is still a few months off, so that by the time it hits theatres people will have more of an acceptance that he is gone, and his demise doesn't haunt over the goodness of his work onscreen so profoundly that the event and the performance can't be separated. -
Many of you are angry and you have a right to be. But don't be angry at Heath. Whether he was responsible for his death or not such anger is wasted and useless. It's like the haters who hate for hate's sake. It's just masturbation - no, not even that. Rather, take that anger and direct it where it should go - hate those things that are in fact truly hateful. Hate stupidity, ignorance and bigotry. Hate injustice, cowardice and greed. And hate all those things that come from these: poverty, sickness, famine, war, and all the other stupid bloody things humanity is doing to itself and its planet. But this hatred, this anger is just bullshit if all you're going to do is sit around all angry and hating. DO SOMETHING TO MAKE THINGS BETTER. Sure, you can't change a lot, but every little difference you make, makes life on this world a tiny bit better. Stop wasting time. that is the one thing you should learn from Heath's death if nothing else. You can't save up time in a bank account somewhere - you never know when it's going to run out for you. So get out, and DO something about it. In fact I'm going to stop wasting my time posting on this TB and go do something right now!
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And it gets worse everyday. It must have been so much better when almost no diseases were curable, women constantly died in childbirth, there were no cancer treatments, no polio vaccine, no asprin. No grocery stores, no air conditioning, no movies, no internet. Man, life fucking sucks. I wish I had been born a few thousand years ago where, after breaking my leg at age five running from a wild boar, I end up dying from the infection. Awesome! Or maybe just a few hundred years ago, where a trip to the dentist (unanesthetized) ends up giving me staph because nobody washes their hands, and the cure is "bleeding", which ends up killing me.Jeeze, you whiny little bitches: the world would probably be better off without you. You certainly aren't adding anything.
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What a piece of garbage hxxp://www.tmz.com/2008/01/23/jack-on-heath-i-warned-him/
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if you have all that ledger had gained, and you're dumb enough to od? GOOD FRIGGIN' RIDDANCE!
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Man, I could. If only I lived in the past, when everything was so much better, before the world started sucking so bad, like it does now. Now you can't even get a good bleeding! What a world we live in.
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Normal people kill themselves all the time. Here's a chart with the odds of dying: http://tinyurl.com/wrcyw
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He's dead, it's sad. But just a little bit. Let's keep it in perspective. As with other celebrity deaths (Princess Diana's comes to mind) I think people are taking this to heart maybe just a wee bit too much. Unless you actually knew the man, any claims of being "devastated" or "an emotional wreck" are bordering on the ridiculous. It makes me shake my head when I think of all the people in the world who won't lift a finger to comfort the every day people around them who have lost love ones, from domestic violence, from gangs, or our soldiers overseas, but go ridiculously overboard in expressing their grief for people they don't even know. Let's all get a grip please. He was a good actor, that's about it. If I was a working actor with a certain amount of commercial success under my belt, I would be partly touched, but mostly confused why people would lose all semblance of self control over my death - when there are so many regular people who could use the sympathy more.
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He's dead, it's sad. But just a little bit. Let's keep it in perspective. As with other celebrity deaths (Princess Diana's comes to mind) I think people are taking this to heart maybe just a wee bit too much. Unless you actually knew the man, any claims of being "devastated" or "an emotional wreck" are bordering on the ridiculous. It makes me shake my head when I think of all the people in the world who won't lift a finger to comfort the every day people around them who have lost love ones, from domestic violence, from gangs, or our soldiers overseas, but go ridiculously overboard in expressing their grief for people they don't even know. Let's all get a grip please. He was a good actor, that's about it. If I was a working actor with a certain amount of commercial success under my belt, I would be partly touched, but mostly confused why people would lose all semblance of self control over my death - when there are so many regular people who could use the sympathy more.
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I'm not saying normal people don't commit suicide. 'Course they do. And they do it better, too! I was saying that for a lot of people, especially parents, your responsibility to family would keep you from doing it. Of course, when you're mentally ill or your brain is pickled with alcohol or drugs, you're not exactly thinking clearly. Maybe that's why a lot of teens kill themselves. They're already raging with hormones, so when they feel depressed (and I'm not debating the authenticity of the depression) they won't feel the ties of obligation to stick around, like a parent would for a child.
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the autopsy reports say it was accidental.
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was speaking about The Dark Knigt and he said that the joker was not the main story in The Dark Knight. One week later Heath Ledger is dead. Im betting that this and other matters, private matters lead to his death. It turns out the main story of the Dark knight is Harvey Dent and not The joker, though the joker is in the movie and is central to the story. That must confused the hell out of Heath ledger. and he snapped.
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Everything I've seen says the preliminary tests are not conclusive and that more testing is needed (10 days).
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what is the chance that he choked on a pill or overdosed on wrongly prescribed drugs. In all civilisations through history people have wanted to get high just like Heath. No of us have any idea about the extent of his drug use but I'd bet the farm that he pushed it too far and paid the price. He was a great talent but its hardly natural causes, GET OVER IT.
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Rest In Peace, Mr. Ledger. Your legacy, though short, will be a fine collection of films both fun and well-acted. And thank you for A Knight's Tale, which introduced me to Shannon Sossamon.
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I don't know why you're suprised that disrespect and vulgarity can come from anyone other than "right wing nut jobs." Whoopi Goldberg, anyone (and actually, I like some of Whoopi's work, so...)But to the point, I think you were probably right in your speculation on the cause of death and to add to your point about media disrespect, I couldn't help but notice that, like always, this death is getting "continuing coverage." Interesting that someone's life has to END before it can get "continuing coverage." Again, good points, but leave misinformed political remarks and commentary out of it from now on.
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A sunny disposition. Also, carbon dioxide.
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When I heard about this yesterday, I immediately thought "it's gotta be some kinda publicity stunt. Heath'll show up as the Joker in a few days somewhere and the Dark Knight viral campaign will continue anew." Then I went to the Interweb and searched "ledger" on Google news and sure enough, there was the awful truth. My condolences to his friends and family.
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Bets anyone??
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...are picketing Heath's funeral? How EVIL is that? What are they protesting? Memorializing and burying a dead man? Wow, they must have a lot of free time. And not one brain to share between the lot of 'em. For those who don't know, WBC is kind of like a hate group disguised as a church, and they hate gays. I don't much get what the point is of picketing the funeral of an actor who PLAYED a gay man in a film. I hope the police arrest them all. And beat them.
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thank god for that.
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"He who posts three times in a row the same thing in the TalkBack, so shall the face of death take him!"Bad luck, man.
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So I guess you being an asshole will come back to haunt you at some point, yes?
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And can't understand it. There is absolutely NOTHING to be gained from picketing a person's funeral (what? they "oppose" his being dead? they oppose him being buried?). It only hurts his family and friends who are already dealing with the pain of their loss. I agree with Puddleglum that it's gotta be nothing but a play for media attention to highlight their ridiculous "cause".
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Is Fred Phelp's church. And Phelp's is a nut, and his church has no affiliation with the national Baptist church, and no Baptist association (or any other Baptist church) recognize them as a Bible-believing fellowship. Ironically, Fred Phelp's also hates the US, has picketed the funerals of US soldiers, and would really be more at home as an Imam. I suspect his conversion to Islam is nigh.Until then, you can check out his website, if you can get there. It seems to be down right now. Wonder why!
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Are members of Fred Phelp's family. Why can't they attract more members? Like, somebody who isn't directly related to Fred? I just don't get it.
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Just because you don't know someone personally doesn't mean their work and life cannot greatly influence you. I know a kid who practically broke down into tears when he learned that Christopher Reeve had passed on, because he considered Chris a legitimate hero. Who's really to say how we should respond to death or how to value our releationship with people who make films, write books, and record music. There is a relationship there and when an artist has real talent, as Ledger did, we feel that loss even more. Are you really suggesting that people overreacted when Elvis died? What about John Lennon? Marylin Monroe?
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24 hrs to start laying into Charles Haughey after he died.
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Did I just watch the same clip of Nicholson as you did? Oh my fucking god. Well, guess Jack's always been the classy a-hole.. but still.
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If he was suffering, I'm even more sorry.
I pray for his little daughter and I grieve for the the joy he missed in seeing her grow up.
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the teen daughters are coerced into taking part in the silliness, arent allowed out of the house, can't wear makeup or jeans.
I think they ARE muslims.
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wow that's what you came up with? in this website full of witty and quippy motherfuckers and the best you can do is: the grown ups are talking? fuck you jerk-off
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was not only the most fun he had, but was probably going to be the most fun he will ever have as an actor. So I disagree with those on this talk back who say that the emotional stress of playing the Joker killed him.
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They're a bunch of fuck-ups who live in pursuit of a twisted false reality. Fuck them and their need to make every fucking thing about their agenda. The less said about them in the news, the far better. Because ArcadianDS is right, they're getting what they want when the news mentions them. A man died. Whether it's the death of Heath Ledger or a US soldier, these things has nothing to do with them, so they need to make it about them. Douchebags.
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No joke. He ate too many Heath Bars and choked. When he could not get the candy out of his mouth, he took sleeping pills so he could rest while the delicious candy mented away.
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'sall I'm sayin'.
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...this thread could be more of a conformation of the loss of humanity. R.I.P Mr Ledger. I enjoyed your work.
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One of few hopes for Hollywood has died. It´s sad. The true tragedy however, lies in the fact that his family lost a father and a husband.
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password again, or glovedone was lying in his post the other day about it being stolen in the first place.
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speculation is useless. Armchair Quincy's and Greg House's (okay he works on live patients, but is still cooler than you) need to keep their mouths shut until they get all the facts.
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In the interest of anyone who feels as disgusted and angry at these idiotic people plan to picket Heath Ledger's funeral here’s their phone number - 785-273-0325 - and address 3701 SW 12th ST. Topeka, Kansas 66604 or you can contact them through their website www.godhatesfags.com.
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They really love to nibble on any tidbit that is potentially juicy, don't they? What gets me is how many people will look down their collective noses at Heath for being a "druggie", then go home and have about four drinks to "unwind."
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this is the second obit page in a week that this little piece of shit spewed his hate all over. Please man, do us all a favor and ban this jerk. He doesn't have any respect for anyone
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I'm going to start signing up for all sorts of shit on the internet with that address. First stop: GLAD newsletters
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...you are just plain weird - in Renfro's obit you kept posting Zach Braff is God!! He's not, he's just a crappy soft ass actor, he will never be in the same league as people Ledger, Bale, DiCaprio and co.
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nah, Jack wouldn't know who Braff is.
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Even assuming Heath is everything you are claiming, he still managed to accomplish more in 28 years of life than you could ever hope to. Now get back to the counter, those customers aren't going to ring themselves up.
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dude zack braff is a cool and classy guy, he would (as we all do) think you are fucking asshole
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I didn't realize that you were a functioning retard. I feel kinda bad for making fun of you. A little.
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You are making fun of a dead person. A human being. On an internet website. It's one thing if you don't think that dying because of drugs is anything that merits sorrow, it's another thing to just out and out make jokes about it. Then to top it off use some stupid "owned" phrase. I'd love to see you say those things to his family. But you wouldn't, because your a stupid little kid who thinks that making fun of the loss of life is cool. You don't know all the facts and if it turns out it was accidental I'm sure you wont apologize, because you don't seem to care about anything. If someone you loved died from an overdose I highly doubt you would be making fun of them. So please just shut the fuck up. You don't belong here
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Now we know WHO'S behind the mysterious white powder.
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"I wasn't even supposed to __BE__ here today!!!!"
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but some people need to learn to have some respect.
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Just got back from doing something to make a difference. I won't go into any details as I didn't do it to make myself feel better by bragging on this TB, I did it because I don't know how much longer I will be around to do such things. Now about the Westboro "Church", where the hell do they get the funds to travel to Australia? Are there people who actually send them money? As I understand it "fag" is defined by them as anybody who is not a member of their family/cult group. Someone's actual sexual orientation real doesn't matter, some prominent "fags" include George W. Bush (!) and the King of Sweden (!!) The entire US Military is made up of "fags" even though it is the only armed force in NATO except for Turkey that still doesn't allow gays to serve openly! In spite of all the institutionalised homophobia in the United States it is to them a "fag country" just because we don't actually round up and kill all gays. Who is funding these people? Al Queda? Now I will go and do something else to make life better, while I still have time to do so. Peace.
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...who troll an obit. After their parents die and they must move out of the basement, who will mourn them?
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montage this year at the Academy Awards of stars that have died this year. Watch them give him a posthumous nomination next year for best supporting actor for The Joker.
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"He's not really dead...its a stunt that the PR firm is using to sell the movie. Why so serious?????"-glovedone
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"That was my first thought when I read it in my parent's basement playing World of Warcraft and eating Ho-HOs. After all the other things that have been done to promote the movie, I thought that this would be fucking brilliant..."
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They're saying they found a 'rolled up $20 dollar bill' that was 'rolled in a particular way' and had a white powdery residue on it. Other reports are that plastic baggies with drug residue were found along with the pills.
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Is that demographic accurate? Are most TalkBackers pushing forty? I would have thought from the level of emotional maturity on display that Heath would was about the same age as the average TalkBacker's DAD.
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your having a great run in the spotlight. Enjoy it while you can because in a few days, nobody will care, and you'll be reduced back to one of eleventy hundred talkback 'comedians' who try to get themselves some traction by posting angry little retorts.
And your theory on this being a fake stunt = 9/11 conspiracy nuts. So the forces of the NY police department and the fire/rescue departments are all somehow in on this waste of taxpayer money in order to assist the promotion of a summer action movie - and not one single employee of either city agency has decided to leak this conspiratorial campaign to the media. Right. You are Jimmy Hoffa's clown shoes. -
I don't worship anyone in hollywood but it's still sad when someone dies. And I have enough respect not to make fun of them on Aint it Cool. And you must be pretty dumb to think this is part of an advertizing campaign
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generally, people posting during the day in talkbacks are not school aged kids - they're in class or smoking pall malls behind the science building. Its the late 30s to early 40s office mid-management types who waste their bosses money posting all afternoon to internet forums.
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seriously guy you're like a frog on speed. calm down, Captain Sunshine. We've yet to hear anything beyond rumor and leaked info. The possibility of cocaine being in the room hasn't been confirmed, and if Heath died having just snorted it, you'd think a few qtip swabs of his nasal cavities would have found something - instead, the preliminary coronary investigation says "meh i cant really tell one way or the other" - that means there was no powdery residue on his fingers or around his nose. Maybe the drugs weren't his, maybe they were. If he snorted some cocaine and then choked to death on a pez, thats still a tragic death and one to be pitied. So stop being a douche - sure its making you "tiny-famous" right now, but years from now, in google archives, we'll still be able to look up your idiocy in these two threads - stop leaving gigantic douche-prints behind yourself on the internet. Its not cool.
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autopsy, but if,and I say IF, Ledge died because of a non-accidental drug overdose the only tears I will cry are for the loved ones he left behind. I hate druggies. I'm not going to trash Ledger because no one knows what happened. However, there are people who have everything; fame, money, health, and for some reason something is missing in a life most would be envious of, and they turned to drugs. Look at Chris Farley. Good actor, I like a lot of his work, but he was stupid for wasting it all. For River Phoenix it was the same thing. I feel sorry for families who try to get their loved ones away from this poison. Drug users only care about themselves. They don't care how they hurt others. If it turns out that Ledger did this to himself I can still respect his body of work,( the stuff I liked that is) but not the man, just as I respect the musical genius of Ray Charles, but not the man. However, until there are some real answers, anyone who says they know what happened or is throwing around baseless accusations is a fool.
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Was Heath's motto in '08. I hope he didn't make any New Year's resolutions...
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Guilty as charged! :) But I should state, AiCN is the only place I exercise my right to forum.
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Some people get into drugs, doesn't mean that they are a bad person. I'm sure you all know at least one person who has been addicted to something. I'm also sure most of you drink, so what would happened if you died and alcohol was found in your system? Would you want people to go around saying "He was a horrible person, he deserved it, I feel no sympathy because he was an alcoholic." I'm sure that's not the memory you want to leave behind. Addiction is a powerful thing that a lot of people can't control the same goes for depression. Even if he did od, it doesn't mean he was a horrible person as some of you are making it seem.
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... it is a tragic loss when a talented young person dies regardless of whether it was an accident like James Dean, an overdose of recreational drugs like John Belushi, a suicide like Kurt Colbain, a homicide like Phil Hartman or animal attack like Steve Irwin. It is a tragic loss when a talented old person dies of natural causes. It is a tragic loss when a talentless unknown person dies for whatever reason. It would even be a tragic loss if an Internet troll drowned when his parents' basement flooded. Nobody here knew Heath Ledger, we only saw and projected whatever fantasy the media presented to us, that was true during his life - and it remains true now after his death. But, there was a real human being there, and the loss of human life is always tragic. Heath Ledger deserves basic human dignity regardless of how or why he died. But for some I suppose "basic human dignity" is too vague of a concept to understand.
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No joke.
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At this point, we don't really know what killed Ledger. Suicide, illegal drugs, prescriptions, a bad reaction to a mixture, an accident. Unfortunately, we lose a great actor and some of us are truly upset by this. But we all know him form his movies and we're on a movie site, so discussing things he was involved in isn't really inappropriate, as some grandstanding individuals here will try to say. Yes, we're upset about this, but we're also curious about the outcome of a movie that we're anxiously waiting to see him in, even before this tragedy. My point is, stock the bickering, stop the finger pointing, and go see Heath as the Joker and revel in what will surely be a great performance. Strife doesn't make this situation any better.
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Jan 23, 2008 1:35:51 PM CST
WE SHOULD ALL CHILL OUT AND HAVE A HEATH BAR FOR DESSERT TONIGHT
by bilboring
Snooches!!!
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We are talking about someones brother, son and dad here. It is a tragic event no matter the circumstances. Some of you might show a little respect. I am a James Dean fan, my only regret, I did not get to see him mature as an actor. I am sure that we will remember Heath Ledger in the same way. I still look forward to seeing his portrayal of the joker.
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... then I have absolutely no sympathy, serve him damn right and fucking good riddance. If it's pneumonia, it's a complete fucking tragedy and a waste of wonderul talent. If it's foul play then I hope the bastards who did it get hung up by their nuts. There. I think I covered all the bases.
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... and if you just don't understand human dignity you're not alone, people at the highest level of public office seem to have trouble with that one. Consider this recent admission that the concept of "outages on human dignity" was "very vague": http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/09/20060915-2.html I'm afraid I can't get TinyURL to work, so please fill in any gaps. Just out of curiosity is "glovedone" a Michael Jackson reference?
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Nobody for one second believes you give 2 shits about Ledgers daughter.
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Jan 23, 2008 1:50:00 PM CST
The overdose could have been more accidental than you think
by jak0lantern01
He supposedly had pneumonia. That's not what killed him, but if he were taking sleeping and anti-anxiety pills (which the news spouted out, as if they haven't said a dozen different things already) along with some OTC cough/cold meds, it could easily have killed him. Who knows, maybe he did do a line of coke. We just don't know at this point. Either way, it's a trgic occurrence. Oh, and let me point out to some people here: taking an illegal substance doesn't necessarily make you a bad person. If it was an overdose, it was still an accident. Have some sympathy, because I have known people who OD'd on illegal substances and was shocked because a) it was out of character and b) they weren't bad people.
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I know youre a cunt that trolls obits. That's all I care to know.
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Which is why we just had lay-offs here today. But, here I am....hm??? Too bad ArcadianDS speaks the truth, guys. Glovedone - give this asspickle no moe attention than the Westboro Fuck-ups
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all you idiots saying thats what you get for taking drugs are full of shit!!! Its been reported it was an accidental overdoes on sleeping pills that he had been prescribed due too the fact he has always been uncomfortable with the fame his talent has bought him. Its horrible news and the world has lost an amazing talent and from what ive seen and read a very nice person.
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I don't know how to quit you, Heath...
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I don't know how to quit you, Heath...
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Anyone who pronounces judgment before all the facts are in is stupid and inconsiderate. Everyone who knew Heath is not jumping in front of a camera talking about how stupid he was to die of a drug overdose. They are mourning. So have some respect for the dead and hold off on judgment until we know what the hell is going on.
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Some very nice things have been saidI in remembrance of the man and kind thoughts sent those he leaves behind. I'm not going to repeat what has already been said, just add my agreement to the sentiments. I did not know him and am not going to say this effects me personally, but I do emphatize.
In some interviews, one of which is already a posted link on this talk back, he said playing The Joker was the most fun he has ever had and probably will ever have in a role.
It sounds to me like the man was proud of what he had accomplished and enjoyed the experience. I think he would probably love for his final performance to be seen and appreciated in that light. I think he would WANT us to go have fun and enjoy his efforts, and not to let his early death be the defining moment of his career or his life.
The Joker is one of my favorite fictional characters of any genre. When I heard about the casting I was surprised. I was really concernrend over them getting someone who understood and respected the role. I didn't like Nicholson's silly Joker at all. From what I've seen and read, it is looking like Heath Ledger respected the role and knew what a great character he was getting to play.
It makes me think of George Reeves affect on Superman. Mr. Reeves loss was sad and his life to be respected. But Superman existed before and after him and allowing other actors to portay the Man of Steel was in no way disrespectful to Mr. Reeves.
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He was never married to Michelle Williams.
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And I agree they were stupid about recreational drugs.
We just don't know anything about Keith, yet. We were fans of his work and he seemed like a respectable guy. So, we're responding to that.
Yes, cops, firemen, missionaries, mothers, teachers and doctors die every day. These are people with noble jobs and when we lose one of them it is tragic beyond words.
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If you've never touched drugs, you are a prude and must endure consternation. If you are a recovering addict who NO LONGER uses drugs, you are a hero. Just a few weeks ago, George Clooney mentioned that he respects people who have tied cocaine because it shows they aren't afraid of new experiences. Bill Maher says drugs are good. So what's it gonna be?
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from an accidental overdose of a prescribed medication she had been taking for years. It was entirely an accident. It happens. Once again though as far as Ledger is concerned, speculation is useless until the facts are out there.
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Said "Keith" for some reason, must be tired.
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what do you think of doctor's that prescribe their patients addictive pills?
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And you knew Heath? You knew what he was going through? You were there every step of the way, huh? You know he tried to kill himself or ODed on addiction because you knew him so well, right? And you were there willing to help him over his addiction, I assume?
Truth is...you DON'T know. And to go on with your opinion without any facts, without any sense of decency, well...you obviously also don't know Jack.
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Jan 23, 2008 2:17:19 PM CST
In the case of my friend it wasn't a narcotic,
by grammaton cleric binks
just a migraine medication Kloipy. I can't speak for everyone else.
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i'm heartbroken. condolences to his family and friends. i have a question that i would appreciate someone helping me with. i heard talk in this TB that terry gilliam has rotten luck. what does that mean, did something go awry on another picture of his or something?
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yeah, it's easy to od, sometimes your body can't handle it. I was prescribed medicine that sent me to the ER and that was only after taking 1 pill, so i think it's pretty heartless to damn the guy without even knowing anything.
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CUT AND PASTED FYI
Production on Heath Ledger’s latest fantasy adventure movie, The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus, was shut down hours after news broke of the actor’s untimely death.
“I just got the call [Tuesday] saying everyone was being let go,” an on-set source in Vancouver tells Us Weekly. “We were supposed to start this weekend, but obviously they fired everyone today. They don’t know yet what they are doing with the footage that was already shot. Right now, everyone is in complete shock and can’t even speak.” -
... as I have tried to emphasise in some of my posts, regardless of whether you judge Heath Ledger harshly or not, the greatest lesson we can learn here is that NONE of us know how long we have to live. Thus the wasting of time is truly foolish. And I'm afraid that trying to get through to you is probably a terrific waste of whatever finite time I may have allotted to me, even if I live to be a hundred. So once again, I leave this TB to go and do whatever I can to make life an this planet a better thing. I also said in an earlier post that we should use our anger over Heath's death constructively, and hate those things that are truly hateful. I would like to clarify that, I most definitely meant THINGS. I did not mean hate people. With that in mind I wish you well, God bless you all, even the trolls and douchebags. Peace.
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Watch the documentary "Lost in La Mancha" which chronicles Gilliam's doomed production of Don Quixote. Gilliam has made some truely amazing films, so this news is doubly frustrating.
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Tried to make Time Bandits 2, but many of the originals had died. A Tale of Two Cities was cancelled after budget and actor disagreements. A Don Quixote movie was sidelined by a flood and Jean Rocheford suffering a herniated disk (check out the docu "Lost in La Mancha"). And after two tries, he still wasn't able to make The Watchers.
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Your students are very fortunate to have you as a mentor.
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thats what you get for taking drugs thats what you get for taking drugs thats what you get for taking drugs thats what you get for taking drugs thats what you get for taking drugs thats what you get for taking drugs thats what you get for taking drugs thats what you get for taking drugs thats what you get for taking drugs thats what you get for taking drugs
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As an actor and an alcoholic who has struggled with addiction almost resulting in death, I feel I have a bit of leeway to "get my panties in a bunch" when I see ill-informed, moronic comments from a person comfortable enough in his (or her) computer chair to give his (or her) anonymous opinions.
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The Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous says that "Selfishness—self-centeredness! That, we think, is the root of our troubles." [Big Book page 62, line 7], and "Above everything, we alcoholics must be rid of the selfishness. We must, or it kills us!" [Big Book page 62, line 19]. It also describes addicts/alcoholics as suffering from a "defect of character," namely, selfishness and dishonesty. Selfishness and dishonesty are the two key components of addiction. Now, I am not claiming that Heath Ledger was an addict. There have been conflicting reports on that issue. Best to wait for all the facts to come in before drawing any conclusions. However, it is a fact that addicts and alcoholics are selfish, self-centered, narcissistic people. The whole purpose of A.A. and N.A. is to help addicts overcome their selfish natures. It's a difficult battle and one that has to be re-fought every single day. Once you understand this, then you understand why an addict behaves the way he or she does.
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I dont buy into addiction being a disease. Its not a living organism that you contract from a water fountain or old bread, or people who dont wash their hands after using the toilet. Its a decision you make - someone hands you drugs, and right there you have the choice: take it, or dont take it. There's no 'built-in pre-addiction' to drugs where you are incapable of turning down that first sample. You make the decision, 'yes. i am going to be an abuser of narcotics.' and from there you roll the dice. Some can recover (Robt Downey Jr) and some can't (River Pheonix, Brad Renfro). But they all had that choice at the start, and they chose to become the abuser - and in that choice, I deny them the excuse of calling their poor decision making habits a 'disease'
Typhoid is a disease.
Cholera is a disease.
putting a straw up your nose, sticking the other end in narcotics, and snorting it up into your sinuses - thats a decision.
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He transcended fiction and killed one of the actors.
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You're rushing to judgment. One wonders why you can't wait to find out what happened before you pass judgment. Yes. It IS because you're a troll looking for attention. Don't feed the troll folks.
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Jan 23, 2008 2:40:09 PM CST
"it is a fact that addicts and alcoholics are selfish, self-cent
by cromwell1666
I have never used any drugs and I don't drink at all. That being said, I think that statement is far too simplistic. I'm sure many addicts are selfish, but how many more are depressed or mentally ill and are self-medicating. The human psyche is far too complex for such sweeping generalizations. Its easy to point a finger when you only know 1% of the info.
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I'm just keeping your name visible. I support the hard working trolls who have nobody paying any attention to them in their real lives, are probably still not coming to terms with the recent loss of their own parent(s), and finds their only avenue of popularity is to drop their pants in a busy internet forum and wave their buttocks in the air like a chimpanzee.
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We are all missing you here in the gay porn industry. Please come back, you were a legend: The World's Biggest Asshole is not something you come across every day.
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that playing the joker had left him mentally exhausted. I was listening tonight to the last word in Dublin and the movie said that heath ledger had becomed obsessed with nick drake and was videoing anumber of his songs one of the songs the name of which escapes me as i am unfamiliar with Nick drake was a video of of ledger as Drake drowing in a bath tub. co-stars had worried about ledger because he seemed to become more intense with every passing movie and on the channel 4 news it did say that he was a very serious actor, ver selective and somethin of perfectionist. either way hollywood is relentless and remorseless. You have to have a strong team of people around to support. I once an eye opening documentary around the time that Matthew crashed his car, because he was addicted to percaden and vicaden. The studios make no secret of the fact that they keep their stars addicted so that they are on and when you make as much money as perry did on friends. you do what ever you like. Hollywood sponsors rehab programs. its sick. get high, get clean, get high. I am glad i have nothing to do with that. but i still like going to cinema.
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I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with your assessment of substance addiction. Addiction is widely accepted by the medical community as a disease. People are born with a predisposition towards addiction whether substance abuse or otherwise. So, yes, there is an initial choice in which a person consciously chooses to snort coke, shot up some H, take a drink, gamble, smoke cigarettes, have sex etc. but the fact is that people who are predisposed to addiction are thereafter unable to stop unless they receive help. So, I can accept the premise, although I'd disagree, that it is selfish to continue an addiction while knowing you can get help, but cannot accept a premise that addiction is not a disease because medical science has proven otherwise.
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I hate how details trickle out, because I admit I'm real quick to fill in blanks with speculation. In our culture we have celebrity and drug use so intertwined and the word rehab is becoming so salient and even glamorous in its own way. And websites like TMZ want to get your attention as fast as possible with sexy stuff like rolled up twenties and pills all over the floor...But now my guess is he was sick and unfortunately took a deadly mix of medication. Like Grammaton's example it is pretty common. And it makes sense to be naked when you are expecting a masseuse, not trying to allude to anything sexual here - but you know who gets a massage with their clothes on? Anyhow my guess is no better than guessing he died of recreational drugs...my gut reaction since hearing the news has always been sympathy for his family.
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ROFLMAO
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I don't even drink but I've worked with drug addicts in the past and I know it's easier to fall into addiction than people think. That isn't to say that addicts shouldn't take responsibility for their actions but at the same time the notion that all addicts are stupid, selfish, etc. is a bit simplistic. Many, many talented people have fought such demons and some of them, such as Jim Morrison and Jimmy Hendricks, have lost the battle in their prime. That doesn't make them worthless, it doesn't make them assholes, and it doesn't make them any less human. It's tragic, unfortunate, and sad.
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I was sincerely shocked and upset when I loaded the CNN website earlier and found out HL died. It f'in sucks because he was coming into own as an actor... RIP.
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They're all on strike, remember?
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I just got done reading your little diatribe about me, and you know what? You kind of suck. I mean it: you're downright awful. And completely insane to boot. Hey, you want to see Rickey talk in the third person? Go here then cupcake:
http://ridingwithricky.blogspot.com
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to get the effects of nicotine is addicition, having to HAVE that cup of coffee/red bull/cola in the morning to get started from that jolt of caffiene is addiction. It's introducing a stimulant or depressive in your body, that your body starts to need to behave "normally" over a period of time. I had a friend who would drink several cans of Diet Coke a day, and would get severe headaches when he abstained for just a day. Someone can become addicted to anything, even posting on a chat board. I feel sorry for Mr. Ledger's family and especially his daughter, regardless of the circumstances surrounding his death. Remember, "
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Thats true man.and sad.fucking drugs!
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Are you gay?
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Alzheimers is a disease.
Cancer is a disease.
Crohns is a disease.
A disease is not a viral infection; it's an illness usually typified by genetic abnormality or environmental factors.
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they all say the same thing that he was a very private man. who knows what the hell happened yesterday. we probably never will. Maybe something was going to come out which he knew would destroy everything. including his career.
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I'm classified as having an addictive disorder. I am compulsive about EVERYTHING. When I buy plastic flatwear, I have to remove every single spoon and use a metal file to ensure that nowhere on each spoon will you find a little plastic 'nub' or sharp edge on them. I cut my mouth on one as a child, and I guess thats why I have that compulsion. Every hobby I have ever had, I've gone completely 'close encounter of the 3rd kind' level of crazy with it. I got into model railroads, and 4 months later, I spent about 2 grand and converted the whole 3 car garage into a massive train set with moving cars, flowing water - yeah I know; i got some crazy issues. I got into board games a while back, and a year later I have almost 2 thousands different board games in my collection. I have over seventy-five pounds of baseball cards in storage.
When I was offered drugs, I just said no. I'm not making myself out to be a hero or some kind of champion for you to applaud, but Im just saying that blaming a diagnosed compulsive disorder, and calling a cycle of conscious decisions a 'disease' is just political shop-talk. Its a way to get federal funding for whatever pet project somebody has. A disease is something alive and foreign that enters your body and then attempts to take permanent residence. Its a living organism with a specific agenda in which you as its host are its food. Cocaine and heroin are inert. You cannot 'contract' methanphetamines. You can only make a decision to ingest them, and I dont care how deep you are in the depths of addiction, there are places you can go to get help - and people who dont go to those places, are making a conscious decision to stay on the drugs - and I do not have any remorse for them. I pity them, and my heart goes out to them, but I dont offer them remorse. Its like feeling bad for a guy who lost a bet on a horse race. -
You're absolutely right. Drugs are a choice. Know what else is a choice? Disparaging those who are no longer with us because of their choices. No one MAKES you disparage and insult them for the decisions they made in their lives. No one puts a gun to your head and MAKES you call them selfish, irresponsible or say the world is better off without them in talkbacks. You could just as easily have chosen to take the high road and extend condolences to the grieving, or better yet, don't even comment on it at all. It's not as if his loved ones are actually reading this anyway.
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A disease IS NOT an invasive foreign organism. Jesus wept.
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Didn't realize you're one of those 'can dish it but can't take it' kind of people. And tons of douches make AICN less worthwhile, but I just skip their posts. Feel free to skip mine, 'cupcake'. Otherwise I'm doing A-Okay buddy.
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...what I was doing with my free time when I was 28. Oh yeah, grad school. I certainly wasn't a rich, highly-acclaimed actor waiting around for a masseuse. I was naked a lot though. Often enough, by normal standards anyway. The strongest drugs I took were caffeine and nicotine, which I still self-medicate with on a daily basis. I'm just sharing, not speculating. Because as we all know, the most important thing in this is not whether it was accidental, but that he was found NOOOD. Jesus, give me a week where I can lounge around noood waiting for a massage (with a happy ending). The naked thing is dumb. The first thing I'm sure they do at the coroner's office is rip yer clothes off, unless you're already nekkid. So they can bleed you. So he was doing them a favor by being noood.
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You just validated yourself as a grade-A attention seeking nutjob, that's all.
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That's from Goodfellas.
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I TYPE SUBJECTS IN CAPS?
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Everybody is selfish somewhat. That is totally normal. The reason that addicts have a disease is they are unable to overcome their selfishness on their own. See, a normal person is capable of acting unselfishly - for example, taking care of a child. Most (untreated) addicts can't even take care of a pet or a plant on their own for any length of time. It isn't a choice - they are truly incapable of overcoming their defects of character on their own.
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lists this as the drugs in heath's apartment:
xanax, Valuim, Ambien, and several other medications prescribed in Europe.
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Just because scarlet fever can't kill doesn't mean pneumonia can't still kill, folks. The drugs on top of the pneumonia probably didn't do him any favors, but even if it were an OD, do we have to get all self righteous, point fingers and cross our arms and say 'Look how much better I am because I'm still alive'?
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Keep crying and moaning. Your lamentations and tears nourish my soul.
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you're 24 hours too late to become the Attention Whore of the thread. Glovedone is waaaay ahead of you. Good luck in the next talkback, tho. I'm pullin for ya.
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TheAllSeeingEye is correct, a disease is not an invasive foreign organism. A virus or bacteria are invasive foreign organisms. So, HIV, Cancer are diseases that are caused by invasive organisms. However, addiction is also a disease, again recognized by the CDC and the medical community, caused by an imbalance in the brain. Not all diseases are the result of a virus or bacteria. Doctors agree that although initial drug use is voluntary, once the addiction takes hold, control over the substance is markedly disrupted. Image scans of the brains of addicts, of whatever you want, show specific abnormalities as opposed to those who are not normally predisposed to addiction.
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Did you really write that long ass post for me? I'm touched.
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On this we are in agreement. My (ahem, Rickey's) issue is that the linking of Brandon Lee and Ledger is tenuous at best, and overly maudlin. Why must everything be linked and compared? It's a stupid compulsion. What's wrong with viewing this as a stand alone event that has absolutely nothing to do with Brandon Lee?
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FUCK!
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I'll concede if I was wrong on the definition of a disease. I am not a board certified physician (however I am known to practice medicine in Panama occasionally).
I wont concede the rest of my statements, however. I guess what I was trying to convey is that to me, a disease is something that you suffer from, but then I consider that I suffer from heart disease and thats something you get almost purely based on your personal decisions to not exercise enough, to eat too many crappy foods, etc. So I'll come down from my high horse a LITTLE bit. I still dont consider addiction to be on par with things like cancer and heart disease, because I dont consider drug abusers to be 'victims'. I consider them to be people with poor decision making skills. You can't choose to not have cancer. You can't choose to not have ALS. You can always choose to not be addicted to drugs. All it takes is making a phone call. If there were a phone number you could call to cure cancer, don't you think people with cancer would be calling it? There are phone numbers you can call to get yourself set up in a program that can and WILL get you off drugs. But addicts want the drugs. They enjoy the drugs. They accept the risks. I wash my hands of people who dont want help because there are far to many people in this world who DO - and they deserve our undivided attention.
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The Joker had the Last Laugh
by messi Jan 23rd, 2008
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He transcended fiction and killed one of the actors.
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I know, I know, once making a point and ending a troll, you're not supposed to come back. However, as I continued on the site, this made me smile:
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Hey Lost Jarv..
by glovedone
why don't you get out of your parents' basement and get a job. OWNED!!! ---
hmm, a witty comeback
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especially seeing as I am posting from work.
You're not very clever are you?
What's with the "owned" shit? are you 12?"
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I explained earlier but let me try it a different way (because I was rude earlier you probably didn't read it thoroughly). I can't speak for others, but I made a subjective - not objective - comparison. It was the experience of seeing someone I idolized when young (Brandon Lee) die so unexpectedly. I had been following his career since he decided to do movies and after Rapid Fire I was not just looking forward to The Crow, but seeing him shine as brightly as his father did. I don't feel nearly the same way for Ledger, but certainly the circumstances are reminiscent of Lee, and it brought back some memories to me, and obviously to a few others as well. That's all.
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You've got nothin'. Keep trying though. It's nothing if not entertaining.
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I worked for a small newspaper. Some kid in high school got busted for having drugs. The bright lad left his bookbag, full of pot, on the school grounds with his id in it. Now before anyone gets into the whole pot/vs narcotics argument bottom line is it is a drug, it is against the law. The kid gets expelled from school, and the parent gets mad at us for printing what happened, and that we're picking on his poor innocent son. He was oblivious to the fact his son was using, I believe the son was also charged with dealing due to the amount, and the location. Instead of being the responsible parent, and holding his own kid responsible he starts blaming other people. Just like so many people out there he was an enabler. People make stupid mistakes, but people have to own up to their stupid mistakes. I'm not talking about Heath Ledger because who knows what happened there if anything. I'm talking about how our society has devolved from hard working people willing to make their bed and lie in it, to a bunch of crybabies worried about someone's self-esteem instead of what they are doing to themselves. My father gave me the greatest anti-drug speech ever. "If I catch you doing drugs I will kill you," and he meant it. The late great Carroll O'Connor said something similar in hindsight to the effect that you need to do whatever it takes to get between the drugs, and a loved one taking drugs even if it means chaining them up in the basement. There is no easy answer out there for sure, but at some point people need to be responsible for their own lives. And Hollywood doesn't help. The tabloids trash people when they're down at the bottom of the barrel as long as they're alive. Once they die it's like "oops,my bad, sorry for all the crap we wrote we really did love you." Hypocrites.
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Like I have to try. Just knowing you got a battery-powered lightsaber and unopened action figures next to your bed is victory enough.
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Jan 23, 2008 3:40:53 PM CST
DEATHSTAR73 - ADD TO THAT THE FACT YOU'RE 35 YEARS OLD
by bringingsexyback
Fuck ... now my lamentation is directed at you, chump.
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Ignore them, don't even read their post, skip over them and ignore it otherwise you make them feel good about their sad lonely life's. They don't use reason or logic so no matter what you say it won't change them. Ignore it so sensible people don't have to see their post while trying to pay respect to a great actor.
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By the way,that was my favorite non-Joe Pesci line from Goodfellas.
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Almost 1400 posts inside of 24 hours in this TB. No matter what anyone says, a man's personal issues are his own and his family's. You can opine all you want but it's just as meaningless and rudely unnecessary as it would be if a thousand strangers had something to say about your life and death...be it good or bad. A wonderful talent is gone and for the work he's done and would have done, I think his death is a tragic loss. Is there really anything more that needs to be said?
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And I'm sorry for singling you out, because other people are doing it, too. But everyone gets one month of quiet sorrow after their death, and then you can do whatever the hell you want. If I had to keep quiet about the miserable Reagan's death--a man who almost single-handedly destroyed this country--for that amount of time, you can do it for an Oscar nominee. If you don't agree, fine, but don't say I didn't warn you. Tragedy is subjective, and for you to tell us what we have to believe or not believe, feel or not feel, is patently ridiculous and remarkably offensive. You have 30 days to go, and so do the rest of you.
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I know, I have to tone it down. You know AICN is corroding your soul when you're telling acquaintances you don't like you're gonna assrape them and fuck their mother in the eye socket. Doesn't go over too well in the real world.
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This has just been reported this morning in Australian Media - Now... It's obvious that they would have some top-notch medical examiners on Heaths case - Everyone (his family, his fans... and unfortunately, the media) would want some solid evidence as to how he died... For results to come back inconclusive seems very strange for me - Phenmonia or evidence pointing towards that being his cause of death would be very easy to determine... Drugs in his system would be very easy to determine... In fact, MOST causes of death would be very easy to determine, so for the media to recieve an "inconclusive result" makes it appear like theirs a hush job going on for a particular reason. In my opinion, anyway.
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I dunno if it's a record, but I suppose it would be in bad taste to chime in with a "WOW, best talkback EVER!!" When I first heard the bad news yesterday I looked forward to work today, if only to check out this TB because I knew the news would be huge here, and people always have such, uh, colorful things to share.
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it wasn't heath's fault! it's "the pressure of being a celebrity" and a way to "deal with the turmoil fame brings" it wasn't heath's fault! it's "the pressure of being a celebrity" and a way to "deal with the turmoil fame brings" it wasn't heath's fault! it's "the pressure of being a celebrity" and a way to "deal with the turmoil fame brings" it wasn't heath's fault! it's "the pressure of being a celebrity" and a way to "deal with the turmoil fame brings" it wasn't heath's fault! it's "the pressure of being a celebrity" and a way to "deal with the turmoil fame brings" it wasn't heath's fault! it's "the pressure of being a celebrity" and a way to "deal with the turmoil fame brings" it wasn't heath's fault! it's "the pressure of being a celebrity" and a way to "deal with the turmoil fame brings" it wasn't heath's fault! it's "the pressure of being a celebrity" and a way to "deal with the turmoil fame brings" it wasn't heath's fault! it's "the pressure of being a celebrity" and a way to "deal with the turmoil fame brings" it wasn't heath's fault! it's "the pressure of being a celebrity" and a way to "deal with the turmoil fame brings"
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You should've left the room quietly like Glovedone. He knows what's up.
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Wrong on all counts. Thanks for playing.
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...Whats with the crazy fucks posting bullshit repeating the same thing over and over again - There should be an audit on accounts here and guys should just get their names cancelled unless they have something mature to add to the talkback...
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find your quotes witty, and glovedone is acting immature. I may disagree with certain people on certain issues whether it's movie opinion, Heath Ledger or other things, but glovedone is just out there hating. I can disagree with someone, but still show respect, and be able to discuss and debate an issue. Glovedone cannot.
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I like tea and crumpets. Fleet is a scallywag. I need prunes to shit easier. Oh, my aching back.
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unconfirmed reports say that police found a roll of twenties beside the bed.
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reports to come back. In other words, he didn't have a bad heart, pneumonia didn't kill him, nor was it a clot or an aneurism. It was a shark. Sorry about the bit of humor. I'm past the point of frustration reading these childish posts here.
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Jan 23, 2008 4:19:16 PM CST
GRAMMATON - WITH GLOVEDONE YOU GOTTA ATTACK ZACK BRAFF
by bringingsexyback
That's his kryptonite, and his love.
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Where? Well I just reported it, and no one has confirmed it. Until all the facts are in anything else is irrelevant. So forget all this unconfirmed garbage, because that's what it is.
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Progressive in the sense that it gets worse over time. Which is why you don't go from having one drink to being a full blown drunk overnight. It does start with that first drink or the first hit of a drug, but it can take years before a person progresses to full blown addiction. They lose control over their behavior a little bit at a time, so most of the time they are unaware of what they are becoming. If they don't seek treatment, eventually most of them will die.
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Yeah I said it, DOUCHE BAGS!
And you know who you are too. The fuck-tards who continue to come on this TB and dismiss this news with shit like "Who fucking cares, he was only an actor". "There are more things in this world to worry about, who cares?"
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
Look where you are!!!
You're posting on a website called Ain't It Cool News, who, by the way reports on movies, television, and *gasp*, the actors and actresses who populate them! So excuse the rest of us if we want to mourn and feel sad over a great talent like Heath because we appreciate this great craft and movies in general. Don't fucking tell me how to feel. Don't fucking tell me I'm weird or creepy because I get a little sad over hearing news like this. FUCK YOU. I happen to LOVE movies and if I have some sort of connection with a performer and he/she passes, I'm allowed to grieve and feel sad.
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Harsh, but to the point. And I agree with you.
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died. He was kinder to me than my own dad which is really pathetic when you think about it. Then again unlike my dad Mr. Rogers wasn't an alcoholic.
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But is there ever a way to die in hollywood that ISNT their fault? Im reading all these genetic responses and things about addiction. I dont beleive an autopsy has happened yet at all. Last night TMZ said in 10 days. That would make 9 days left. Australia reporting it already happened is loco. They are just excited to be in global news for once without some kid throwing a party. On a sadder note. I think Heaths death hurt me more than Chris Farleys. Especially after watching the DK trailer 30 times and wanting half of his talent.
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... that really means a lot especially coming from you. Back when we first "met" on a TalkBack about two or three years ago when I still wrote my name Prof.Ikamono, I said some hateful vicious shit to you. I was out of line, and I really need to apologise for that, I'm just sorry it took so long. It was wrong of me to call you a Nazi and an Anti-Semite, to compare you to Holocaust deniers and Blood Libelers. I am very sorry and regret this. I'm also sorry to have dismissed you as a common troll. You sir, are neither common, nor a troll. On the other hand you don't have to apologise for calling me DocPazuzu's bitch, I did get a cool t-shirt out of it. I still disagree with some (but obviously not all) of your political views, but there is no reason not to be civil about it. It's sad that it took a death to get us to be cordial with one another, but at least that's one good thing that has come out of this tragedy. Peace.
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I was hoping that I'd wake up today and find out this was a prank....but the real joke is the people with no hearts, bashing Heath. Get a life.
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And then you come to the AICN talkback and find out that it's all a show, and when you get the chance to be anonymous the true face of people shows
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Did I really just witness 2 talkbackers bury the hatchet. Jesus, weird day.
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This proves there is no God...... God would never choose Heath over Paris Hilton......
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Jan 23, 2008 4:38:12 PM CST
Only the few irish people that visit this site will be aware of
by emeraldboy
the Swiss born Socialite and model who was four years younger then Heath and died in the house of a couple who may or may not be linked to a man called the wolf who was katy French drug dealer. We dont have many bright stars to call our own and she was ambitious as hell. Yet the media fawned over and on the weekend of her funeral the sunday Indo devoted 7 pages to her. the bit really made me want to puke was interview given by her boss from assets model agency who blithly said that they dont hire models who take drugs. during the interview he took pot shots at recovering Drug addict, and man About town gavin lambe murphy. lambe murphy had the gall to mention the fact that he and katy had taken so much coke that they coulndt eat their italian dinner. AS the weeks went on I got more and more nauseous as her friends said that we the irish should be proud of this "ambassador" of Ireland. Bertie Aherne sent his Aide d'comp to her funeral. meanwhile six sufferers of CF died, a miserable death. While the media fawned over the death of coke-head model. Last week the Cystic fibrosis association of ireland went on irish radio and it was the most devasting week of radio that I have heard in years. In the meantime the authoritarian Irish Health Service Exec told Cf sufferers to sod off and die. This is but a small glimspe in to what is called maodern Ireland. Island of saints and scholars has been replaced by an american style of coporate govt, where nobody really gives a shit.
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That brings back some memories ... thanks.
Really the only person who calls me a Nazi or Anti-Semite anymore is Anchorite, but that has to do with his own frailty and insecurities and not my beliefs.
DocPaz is now one of my TB BFFs but he just doesn't know it. I'm glad you got a t-shirt out of it. He's a decent fellow.
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Jan 23, 2008 4:42:20 PM CST
Only the few irish people that visit this site will be aware of
by emeraldboy
the Swiss born Socialite and model who was four years younger then Heath and died in the house of a couple who may or may not be linked to a man called the wolf who was katy French drug dealer. We dont have many bright stars to call our own and she was ambitious as hell. Yet the media fawned over and on the weekend of her funeral the sunday Indo devoted 7 pages to her. the bit really made me want to puke was interview given by her boss from assets model agency who blithly said that they dont hire models who take drugs. during the interview he took pot shots at recovering Drug addict, and man About town gavin lambe murphy. lambe murphy had the gall to mention the fact that he and katy had taken so much coke that they coulndt eat their italian dinner. AS the weeks went on I got more and more nauseous as her friends said that we the irish should be proud of this "ambassador" of Ireland. Bertie Aherne sent his Aide d'comp to her funeral. meanwhile six sufferers of CF died, a miserable death. While the media fawned over the death of coke-head model. Last week the Cystic fibrosis association of ireland went on irish radio and it was the most devasting week of radio that I have heard in years. In the meantime the authoritarian Irish Health Service Exec told Cf sufferers to sod off and die. This is but a small glimspe in to what is called maodern Ireland. Island of saints and scholars has been replaced by an american style of coporate govt, where nobody really gives a shit about anyone. where old homeless men can be beaten without provocation.
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Sorry for Irelands bad come of events and the talent you lost. By why you are disgusted by their words and actions you are saying "replaced by an american style of coporate govt, where nobody really gives a shit." Little hypocritical from that nice writing you did before hand.
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and spit on the fucking paparazzi camped outside Heath's place. Maybe piss on them for good measure.
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You should check out our most recent exchange in the Oliver Stone TB. The good times keep rolling! Later Prof.
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A: The vast majority of the reactions.
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I'm going to survive this.
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It just takes an hour to get home from work. Your personal attacks amuse me though.
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I apologize 1st and foremost for the continued hi-jacking of this thread, but there seems to be a lot of confusion. Anyone heard of peer pressure? Anyone heard of bullying? Anyone ever wanted to be cool (this to all the smokers who are condemning addiction)? These things make the choice of abstinence VERY hard. The choice to be able to do a job that (without drugs) would be otherwise not possible (coffee drinkers, I'm looking at you! Stupid druggies. j/k, but it IS killing you.). The choice to be able to provide for your family the best that you can (try having 2 or more jobs with very little sleep. Better yet, try to work on a film that has scenes that also take place at night. It's harder than anyone that hasn't been on set could possibly imagine). How about the choice to be able to work without pain? The choice to listen to a doctor. The choice to live a life with some semblance of dignity? All stupid druggies, right?Right, then.I take back my previous comment to delete all the insensitive posters. I think its more fitting to have them on here for eternity to show how stupid these ppl are, and in the future, so we all know who these mental midgets are.BTW - BSB, DocPaz, Dr I, others, I hope that you continue your outrages with each other. It truly is comedy gold to see how ppl can waste their time with so much passion! It has made many-a-slow-TB much more entertaining.'Nuff said.
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Another man dies and the world still turns. It's not really the individual we mourn, but that his death is a collective experience, a reminder en masse what lies ahead for all of us. It also cuts through the idealised image we have of what it must be like to have everything. Apparently it doesn't make you happy. RIP Heath Ledger
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nice post.
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That was a great post. Cheers to you.
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You sir, are very well spoken. Even at points I didnt fully agree with you. And most I did and you enlightened me. Also I have said in this TB chapters ago that Heath said that DK was the most grueling job he has ever had. Real actors actually become that character. Turned into a sick fuck on screen. Got dark and moody. And maybe it stuck for a little bit. Anyone know if hes a method actor? If so that would suck if he was gay for 2 weeks after the Mountain. As a smoker. Im ashamed of my do drugs and die comments now. Thanks Raka
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Some of the comments in this TB confirm my fear and anxiety about the human race. Too bad some people aren't capable of showing or understanding empathy. That said...RIP Heath.
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I feel bad for his daughter. I loved him in Brokeback Mountain and I'm sure I'll love him in THE DARK KNIGHT. It's a shame for the family. That's all..
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FTMFW.
I was really all set to not feel sorry for Heath if it was Cocaine or some other illegal narcotic.
Mr. Bodet thanks for making a "blind" man see the light.
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Maybe all my edumacation is paying off! I'm glad that you didn't just blindly agree or disagree with me, but took the time to think about what I posted. That means a LOT to me! I have lived through a fair bit and have been enlightened many, many times (and will likely continue to do so for the remainder of my years). If I have learned anything from it all, I know better than to simply look at one POV (whether or not I agree with any other POV). Let's get back to the LOVE ppl!
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I mean I'm not a HUGE Heath Ledger fan, but this seriously came out of nowhere. I'm just so used to walking into a shop and seeing his face on the magazines. I'd often walk past them and say "Howya Heath", and grin knowing everybody in the shop thought I was insane. Can't do that anymore. I don't care if it was drugs or not. He's still dead which is shit! A big fuck you to all the moralists who think they're so high and mighty and drug-free. Drugs gave us some of the best rock n roll songs we're ever likely to hear.
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Which fucktard compared Ledger to Cobain?
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... if someone has been coyly dropping clues about their identity in posts over several months is it a violation of their privacy if you actually figure it out and reveal it? About June of last year when we were TalkBacking about an entirely different subject, anchorite piped up with a comment about the director Alan Parker. He said something along the lines of "...he was really nice to me when he cast me in a movie when I was a kid" This was a blatant case of "guess who I really am" so I decided to see if I could. I remembered in an exchange I had with him about illegal aliens (he was against them) he mentioned that he had lived in New York, Texas and California. I also remembered he said that he had "just had his 34th birthday" in a post in the second week of May last year. Using these clues anchorite had given up himself, I did some research and found the most likely suspect: Jeremy Schoenberg a former child actor turned Opera singer. But was this guess correct? Was anchorite playing some elaborate game to get people to think he was Schoenberg? Was there any other evidence to link them? Check this out: http://www.usc.edu/org/casdeninstitute/about/administration.html The same Jeremy Schoenberg, operatic tenor who was in Shoot the Moon as a boy, who was born on 8 May 1972 and celebrated his 34th birthday the same week as anchorite, who lived in Texas and New York, and now lives in California, is the Assistant Director of the Institute for the Study of the Jewish Role in American Life? If this guy isn't anchorite he should be! If anybody could verify if Schoenberg's father was a neurosurgeon (another clue anchorite voluntary gave up) it would cinch it. Of course, I too will now be accused of cyber-stalking, and caching him, isn't it awful how former child-actors who peaked at twelve will go to such lengths to try to regain their fame?
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...to highly amused at the stupid responses being posted in this talkback... It's turned into a fuck'n circle jerk off with guys blowing each other for moral support and kudos on heart-warming "my story" comments... What a load of shite! If you guys took two seconds to pause from your reach-arounds you'd realise that no-one cares about your own personal sad experiences with drugs... It's ridiculous to think the talkback has spiralled into this...
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Journey to the End of Rick Schroeder's Career. Bodet's right, a relatively young man is dead and whether he had a drug problem or not really holds no bearing whether this is a "bad" thing to have happen to him or his family and friends.
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...that in over 1400 posts, there hasn't been one black box comment. Good or bad, I'm curious. Lastly, before I go to another job, IMHO, I believe that Harry and Co. have EVERY right to ask if the films have been affected. This IS, after all, a movie site. I don't believe for one second that anyone at AICN is anything less than empathetic to the situation. Stay (+) ppl!!!
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Fuck all the cunts who have been saying he committed suicide and was a junky. Police have said it was an accident and there were no drugs in the apartment at all. Eat a cock you fuckwits and hang your heads in shame. Cunts.
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looks exactly like heath ledger. huh.
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Interesting... I can find no familial connections between Roger C. Carmel and Phil Silvers. I wonder now at my suppositions, did anchorite deliberately add misinformation to his posts to make people believe he was a (semi) celebrity? As an actual (semi) celebrity I am shocked. I am also ridiculously off-topic. RIP Heath! We'll miss you mate! Cool a Foster's for us in Heaven!
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Anchorite was VERY vocal about his dad's medical career in the Sicko talkbacks. I can't be arsed to go look for them but I'm sure they're still there.
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... but I made nice with BSB!!! Who'd a thunk it?
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They're saying - God has punished him for his gay role. http://tinyurl.com/2s6h9l
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When our lovable resident AICN court jester is moved to deliver one of the most thoughtful and dignified posts in a TB, it's truly a sign of how rank the talkback is.
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Awesome detective work, by the way!
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I am shocked by the news. I've never been a fan of his work, but now watching The Dark Knight will always be like The Crow. A bitter experience, and every fucking time I watch The Crow, I just can't help thinking that Brandon Lee died during the shoot and it was his last appearance. I guess Ledger's performance will be even more memorable, especially when he claimed that the role had taken a toll on his personality and he had troubles sleeping and all this shit. Tragic, but mythic.
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Try to protest now you Baptist cunts.
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...Heath died from Alcohol Poisoning... Sucking down two many cowboys, apparently.
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You know you laughed at that last joke, by the way...
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Was my post where I asked Heath to cool us a Foster's in heaven now retroactively in poor taste?
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Why are you trying to look up this guys identity? No offense man, but that IS a bit creepy. If they guy wants you to know who he is, he'll tell ya, otherwise respect a persons' privacy. My two cents.
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... and with a name like Fleet too, that's brave.
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Like I said, he kept dropping these coy little hints... I think he WANTS us to know, whether consciously or not. I believe Israel has a right to exist, other than that I find anchorite to be morally reprehensible, and after going to the thread BSB mentioned to me, and I saw for myself exactly what anchorite was advocating, and then his slimy attempt to claim he hadn't said what he had... Well, I felt that BSB should find out who his archfoe was, or who he's pretending to be.
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...I didn't think it was silly... Hell, with the amount of ridiculous shit being posted around here, I thought it was pretty funny actually... And being gay myself, Im not calling a monopoly on gay comments or anything like that, so you can put a lid on your last response straight away... Just because you're supposedly a professor does not mean you get to take the automatic high road on authority, morality and truth, either - Just means your a wanker you puts his title into everything (and then feels the need to explain it) because he thinks it makes him better than everyone else (and lets admit it... whether your making up an RPG character, making up a profile name, or signing a cheque - You honestly dont think that's posing...? Dude, I might be gay - But that's just stupid.
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Well, I'm glad you'll never be sure of who he is (unless he tells you). I'm personally glad nobody knows who I am and I think everyone should respect everyone else's privacy, whether they agree with someone's opinion or not - unless things become criminal. Even then just report to the cops and leave it at that.
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Youre beginning to sound a little cunty with your holier than thou attitude... What Fleet said is right, it certainly sounds like you like to think you have the authority on all things good and right, frowning down on those who may differ in opinion to you... Fleet: Amen Brother...
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... as regulars on the Heroes TalkBacks know well, I'm quite open about my own identity. My name is James Walker, I used to be an actor, on IMDB I'm listed as James Walker XIII. I'm also gay and have never felt the need to hide it here, although I don't bring it up unless there's a reason to. And in about six years of posting today is the FIRST time I ever explained the use of PROF in my UserID, again in direct response to someone questioning it. And really Fleet, I never was claiming moral or any other superiority over you... I honestly thought I had fucked up and posted something inappropriate about Heath when I didn't realise your alchohol poisoning post was a joke. When I re-read it and realised what you were getting at, I made a rather silly gay joke (punning on your name Fleet) while ironically stating that you had made a silly gay joke. Peace, OK? I gotta go, Maria Sharapova is playing now.
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...You sound like you think we care. We don't.
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....Even with the "sucking down too many cowboys" line?.... And the post below it saying "You know you laughed at that last joke..." - Are you really a professor?
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Any moderator with a heart needs to see to this.
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I was watching 'The Lookout' a few days ago and was thinking that JGL and Heath should definitely play brothers one day. The cast of '10 Things' all looked related though. Julia Stiles could have passed for a sister too.
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... and even preachy, it's way too easy for me to switch into "lecture mode". But I think I'm doing better, I used to be insufferably self-righteous on these threads as I think many long-term TalkBackers here will confirm. I've made an effort to mellow out considerably, but I'm far from perfect. Fleet, the "James Walker lesson" was in answer to 5 by 5 on the question of privacy. The fact that I was gay, and why i said what i said was for you. Honestly I'm not trying to teach you a lesson here. But your responses sound like you think I was deliberately trying to offend you. I'm not. Unless, perhaps, your responses are actually a deliberate attempt to offend ME. In which case, I'm sorry, but I can't afford to waste the time. After ending a long-running flame war with another TalkBacker today, I'm not about to start a new one. So peace brother, let's give it a rest and just remember Heath.
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Jan 23, 2008 9:33:01 PM CST
OMFG - I'VE BEEN TALKBACK FIGHTING WITH AN OPERA SINGER?!?!!?
by bringingsexyback
I think I pwned myself. I feel gay ... (no offense to Prof Ika and Fleet)
Needless to say, the Institute for the Study of the Jewish Role in American Life won't be getting my annual donation this year, or next for that matter.
On the subject of identities ... yeah, Anchorhead has been stupidly dropping hints for years now but I never cared enough to look further (although you can never rely on that information anyway - anyone can spoof someone else's identity so Anchorhead is not necessarily that guy, which is the position I'm taking).
Although a few people on the TBs have divulged their IDs (which really amazed me), I've told one or two of them to keep it on the DL. I agree with 5 by 5 ... anonymity is king on the Net. Let our screennames be who we are. So Prof Ika, as much as I appreciate your help, I'll just go on knowing Anchorite as Anchorhead, scumbag extraordinaire, who takes an assraping and keeps on ticking, and nothing more.
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...one fucking bizarre talkback. Also, I wonder if I'm the only one who reads any post by emeraldboy as if it's being spoken by Paul Harvey.
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There were a bunch of "news" vans, reporters and a small contingent of paparazzi around Heath's building tonight. Really stupid to be hanging out since, well, Heath's not there and Michelle Williams sure as hell aint gonna show up at the front door. Anyway there was a nice memorial ... I took it upon myself to place a small bouquet on behalf of AICN. Hope you guys don't mind (especially Glovedone). Sorry I didn't get to kick a paparazzo in the balls for you but I didn't want to end up on Eyewitness News.
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It's not making any sense. Everytime the police say one thing, a few hours later, they go back and contradict it. This morning there was a 20 dollar bill rolled up with "residue" on it and drug packets, now there was nothing on it and no packets, but they tested the bill anyway and it was clean. Before there were pills strewn all over the place, then there were prescription pills (still in the bottle) and over the counter medicine, now there are 6 different kinds of prescription drugs and no illegal drugs in the apartment. And this stupid timeline with the maids and Mary Kate Olsen makes no damn sense. Now I'm beginning to wonder why they ruled out foul play immediately. And also if this death could have been prevented. This just gets more and more confusing, but according to the TV reporters everytime they update it they say the police are telling them, so it's not hearsay or anything.
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I don't get the Mary Kate Olsen connection. But then again I'm not following the story that closely because these fucking reporters are so stupid I wouldn't believe them if they told me the Earth was round.
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Got pics?
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I don't. So listen. This maid supposedly went in to change a lightbulb at 1PM and heard him snoring then left. The massuese came later at 2:45 and waited for him to come out of his room, when he didn't (3PM) she called him by phone (in the next room?) and then went in and saw him in bed, tried to wake him up and then speed-dialed Mary Kate on his cell phone. Who does that?
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Jan 23, 2008 10:18:03 PM CST
SO YOU'RE QUESTIONING WHY THE MASSEUSE SPEED-DIALED MARY KATE?
by bringingsexyback
And was it his phone or hers? If it was hers, maybe she was referred to Heath by Mary Kate, so she called her out of panic. I think we need to get Prof Ikamono on the case though - he's good with this stuff.
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I'm confused. I hope he's not an opera singer too.
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... that was a cool thing to do. I don't mean to be a gay cliche or anything, but I do have a certain camp appreciation of the ironic. So I find it very amusing that you don't give a shit about anchorite's "secret identity". So much for his claims that you are "obsessively in hate" with him! Really, you'd make a pretty lousy stalker. Yeah, if I could delete my own posts I would remove that one about his "real identity", it seemed like a good idea at the time, but you're right who gives a fuck who anchorite is? Speaking of which, Fleet, Scorecard, I may be a self-righteous prig at times, but if you want to see "Holier than Thou" raised to a true art form, just say anything even remotely liberal in the presence of anchorite. If you like fussing and fighting (and I'm guessing you might) you'll have a great time. That Maria Sharapova is like a real-life superheroine isn't she? Am I wrong or did I read somewhere once that Heath Ledger and Lleyton Hewitt were mates? Well, if so, I hope wherever he is now Heath is somehow still able to enjoy this year's Australian Open even though Lleyton's out of it now. I'm rambling, good night everybody, love to you all, even the trolls and douchebags (especially the trolls and douchebags, you need it more)
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I am livid, UTTERLY LIVID, with the pundits on the news today. I heard neocon nut job John Ziglar declare that Heath Ledger's death was a suicide, and he castigated Ledger for being a selfish and horrible father. To date, no one--not the police, not the coroner's office, not even the gleefully ghoulish TMZ site--has said that his death was anything but an accident. Those who knew him best are vehemently denying the suicide angle, and I believe them. Unfortunately, the lack of facts has not stopped Fox News from broadcasting anti-Heath diatribes today. Why? What did he ever do to them? (Perhaps they took exception to his sympathetic portrayal of a gay man in a major motion picture two years ago--I don't know.)
When I heard the Ziglar broadcast, I called the radio station and ripped them a new one for airing unsubstantiated innuendo here in a town where Heath Ledger's friends and peers are reeling from the news and clearly in pain at his untimely death. I demanded that they air an apology to the community for letting an uninformed cultural warrior dimwit (I know, those four words are all sorts of redundant) exploit Ledger's death to start axe grinding without substantiation. Good grief, even President Bush showed the decency to postpone an anti-prescription-drug-abuse campaign scheduled to begin today out of deference for Ledger's family because no one knows what happened, and Bush didn't want to be perceived as capitalizing on the tragedy.
Here, reputable news outlets like the L.A. Times and KNX news radio are emphasizing the state of undress in which Ledger was found (Does that matter? Plenty of us go to sleep au naturel--that doesn't mean we're inviting death, does it?), and they are quoting TMZ--a tabloid site that has made its rep on the Britney Spears and Anna Nicole tragedies--as their primary source for information. Why? What the bloody hell happened to responsible, carefully researched, level-headed journalism? Good grief, if Walter Cronkite could show the restraint it took to bark at his his own newsroom to nail down the facts on the Reagan assassination attempt in 1981, how could it be so hard for today's meat puppets to at least wait until they know better?
It annoys me because I can remember a time when American journalism--print and broadcast--was the finest of the finest. Now, it's barely two thin layers above the National Enquirer. I wish this could be a tipping point for getting rid of the blowhard and cheap thrills factor on American airwaves. Roddy McDowell noted that acting in films was a gladiatorial profession, and Heath Ledger's death is Exhibit A today. That talented, beautiful young man deserved better than this whirlwind of toxicity, and I wish that people would tell their broadcasters and their news editors that they expect better than this. -
Wow mate, you just can't leave it alone, can you? Why even mention me again, I couldn't care less... Or Fleet, for that matter, from what he/she says... I love how you don't have time, or you're going to just leave it (and I think, I quote YOU when I say "let's give it a rest and just remember Heath", which I actually LOL'd at) but then you're right back into it... Dude, antagonising much?
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...He loves the sound of his own voice... Like I originally said, he thinks his opinion is more important. He can't help himself.
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Read my post, assfuck. I don't think you're that guy and I wouldn't give a shit if you were. So don't even try martyring yourself, you racist turd. You're the tard who's been dropping lines about your private life and who your father is, who your uncle is, ad nauseum ... so take a wise suggestion and shut the fuck up about that, moron.
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... you self-obsessed creep. The only person who'd care to stalk you is you. I mean what the fuck's with all the "I'm an actor, I was in movies, such and such a date is my birthday, but if you try to guess who I am you're a creepy stalker" bullshit? At least I'm upfront about it. Although you play fast and loose with the word "stalk" I mean looking at a couple of web sites hardly compares to the following, phoning, harassing, etc. that stalking truly entails. I've never even been on the same fucking coast as Mr. Schoenberg, I have no idea of exactly where in California he lives, what kind of car he drives, or what kind of pets he has. As for you, I only know what you have posted yourself for all to see. Yep, I'm a pretty shitty stalker, sorry to disappoint you, you deserve better, too bad nobody gives a flying fuck.
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Um... there are other things here Im not going to get involved in.
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so I'm allowed to even mention you guys? at all? even to make nice? not even in a post where I call myself on my own bullshit? who's got a chip on their shoulder now? fine. consider this post the last time i acknowledge you guys.
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...Remember what this talkback is supposed to be about? None of you deserve to have your log-ins - For all our sakes, just fucking leave it and leave the talkback for what it's supposed to be for: Remembering and talking about Heath Ledger.
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Anchorite's always playing victim, it's his M.O. Forget that shithead. At least now he knows telling strangers every detail of his life's a dumbshit thing to do. As if it wasn't obvious to begin with. Anyway you need to help Cherry Valance figure out the Mary Kate speed dial mystery.
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I'm with you on that. /End ranting
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RIP my man. U wiil be missed sorley!!!!
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Why so Serious?
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I have this weird urge to hug you, Harry. Took the words out of my mouth. It still feels unreal to me. Just... not him. Please? Not him. I just knew he was going to end up being one of those actors that I'd geek out over for years. This is just so cruel and such a loss for film, his family and his friends.
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no evidence of illegal drugs, no residue on the rolled up bill, just 6 different prescription drugs including those for anxiety, insomnia, and an antihistamine. So all you cunts who have been braying about how he deserved to die because he was a junkie and deserves no sympathy or how selfish he was because he had a daughter, blah blah, I hope you're all very proud of yourselves. It was an accident of chemistry, pure and simple. And guessing someone's identity as a game is one thing. I'll tell you what cyberstalking is - when someone does a search on your screen name and finds a MySpace account with personal information and said stalker then airs that out-of-context personal information on an anonymous board (like this one, say) in order to make some juvenile point which had nothing to do with the talkback topic and start a flame war. That's cyberstalking. And I can happily say that fucker was banned. And I have since engaged the privacy settings. Didn't think I had to, but live and learn.
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The NeoCons bashing Heath is really just their way of showing allegiance to the anti-gay ultra right-wing Christians. They don't give a shit otherwise about Ledger. It really is shameful that his family has to endure rumors about drug use and sexual misconduct. We live in a society where respect for individuals is sacrificed for the entertainment of the masses.
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... who could play so many different roles masterfully. All evidence indicates that he was only getting better and better at it. I don't care how he died, I'm just sad that it happened, even if Heath had never made another film again. If I have offended anyone here I apologise, it was not my intent. As for anchorite, I have already stated that if I could delete that post I would. Good night everyone, be well.
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Congratulations for turning this Talkback into a something it should never have become - a disgraceful display of classless egos and disrespectful trolls. Unbelievable.This is AICN's obit Talkback for Heath Ledger. Which means, you pay your respects and then you get the fuck out.
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a promising actor with much potential puts literally his heart, mind and soul into becoming the joker and is unfortunately taken from us due to unfortunate circumstances in accidental overdose... i mean really is there anything more that we need to say rather than the fact that critics, and harry himself is idolize ledgers' performance as the joker, not only that but possibly give him a nomination for an oscar, because truthfully in my opinion if one actor gives his life because he/she still thinks they are still in character and suffer from insomnia, i believe he does deserve an award, or nomination. that being said R.I.P. Heath
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Kudos for leaving the bouquet BSB. I appreciate you doing that on our behalf.
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Calm down dude. John Ziegler speaks for John Ziegler. I've been watching Fox News all day and I haven't seen anything anti-Heath. Respectfully, what are you talking about on Fox News? There isn't some rabid Neo Conn thingy out to get you or Heath. I'm conservative and I've been one of the guys here telling the stupid fuckwad trolls to shut up. If you have a problem with John Ziegler, fine, but please don't start painting with a broad brush. The dude doesn't speak for me, nor does Rush Limbaugh or anyone else. I alone speak for me. I think we're all best served when we stop thinking in stereotype.
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for leaving the bouquet. That was kind of you.
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Jan 24, 2008 2:26:53 AM CST
Celebrity WORSHIP???? What about the troops! How about the starv
by blackronin
Maybe you people raised to worship a mere man in a hat cant recognise mere admiration of ones work without accusatuons of a mental weakling grasping at some sort of surrogate religion but No not the case. Some of us are just movie fans and were touched in some way by his ART...yeah the A word. Thats what he did was. Consult your Webster's if you doubt me. Nobody is worshiping him. FAR FROM IT. The reason people have more empathy for someone who sang a song they really love or an actor whose role resonated with them is because THAT IS WHAT THAT SHIT IS FOR!!! Is it silly to think we actually knew him? Yes. Is it as silly as projecting onto theoretical dying soldiers that have as much or as little to do with your life as Heath's did with ours so you can claim a big Costannza level A-HA!! at our percieved moral shallowness????(and on a movie fan site no-less) No its not nearly as silly and a lot less hatefull. Ya wanna know why there is so much star gossip fodder and little attention paid to the plight of soldiers,the starving, etc. is because stock quarter worshipping conglomerates pander the info end of the data-stream to the LOWEST common denominator. If they would tackle real issues they'd lose ratings.Before Reagan(AND IT WAS A FUCK UP!)deregulated broadcasting there was a thing called the Fairness Doctrine LOOK IT UP! ANd Its my humble opinion that as these corporate douchebags who play golf at Augusta who all have stock in each others companies(big pharm & farm,oil/petrochemical,ARMS, and mass media) want to keep people stupid and unquestiomning. That and many studies have shown when you get people to drooling state by flashing heart-string pullers and trauma,they are more susceptible to advertising. WHy do I never see you "WHY ARENT YOU MOURNING OUR TROOPS ON THIS HERE MOVIE FAN-SITE" types post a link to any sites promoting the welfare of our veterans?? Cuz your just joyless shit talking haters?? Nah couldnt be. Hey by the way righteous CELEBRITY hater and taunter of the cursed LIBERAL media,guess which party has an overwelming majority in their voting down of funding for the V.A.? GUESS?? The Arts are always liberal because they see hidden connections in things rigidly compartmentalised by the "keep it nice and tidy" crowd. ENTERTAINMENT media is liberal because it has to be but is still on a tight leash. The punditocracy and the think tank racket are overwhelmingly to the right. Another thing,the reason people feel more connected to the purveyors of story and song than the average joe is because the average joe is BORING. And I dont mean in an entertain me now type of mindset. Art is a coalescing point drawn from collective archetypes and relatable scenarios or ones we wish to project upon(or think we should or have been conditioned to think we should and many combinations thereof) End of rant. Oh yeah my MOM killed herself.Yeah I think it was kinda selfish but mostly I just miss her. FUCK ALL YOU TOUGH GUYS!!! Go die in some fucking stupid war somewhere.
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What the fuck is wrong with some of you? A young talented actor dies and what do we get? the ususal wiling and gnashing of teeth from the "drugs are bad" lobby- personal attacks and fucking cyberstalking.Grow up, it's an obit.BTW- It said on the news that it will be as much as 10 days before anything conclusive will be known, so how's about everyone holds judgement till then and just remembers his life and work?
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when the dark knight opens in july, and heath comes out of hiding... i wonder what the public's reaction would be.
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that's quite dodgy...
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He was burnt out. all the people who worked with him noticed that he had become more intense. It is fact that he hated all the casting process and the press intrusion and all that BS that surrounds hollywood. When I saw jack talking i had to laugh cause he ripped WB for for not involving him when they were creating the New joker. He must have been miffed that he isnt getting more money. Hollywood is not interested in people's problems. They could care less that heath was good actor. The used him. he's dead and theyll move. James blunt dated an olsen twin. no really he did.
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You should graphed Why So Serious? on the windows. Then people would think he has really become the Joker. Which I hope.
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... It will not last the night. But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends, It casts a lovely light..." Although fair of face and eye and hair, he was christened for the darkest hero of Romantic Tragedy, Heathcliff. As a lad he was torn twixt stage and sport, the boards won out. He learnt the joy of performing his craft for the adulation of the crowd. He then left his native land and like his ancestors crossed the sea - not forcefully transported for crimes against the crown, but to follow his dream. And with a mighty Roar he began to reveal the passions that lay buried under his smooth brow - a dozen or sole roles, each as faceted and dazzling as a flashing jewel. We met the handsome errant knight who quested for love, the patriot's son cut down in his prime. The burnt-out surf shop owner, even the immortal fallen priest, all offered something of yourself on the flickering screen. Then with skill astounding you displayed the complex passions of the human heart, a man seized by love strange to him, against all he had been ever taught - the strength of love to strong for him to cast off though he bucked against it with all his might. And when at last he fought no more - alas! too late! Then came the Clown Prince of Crime... we have been teased and merrily played as if by a carny barker egging us into the tent... Come see the Mad Clown tear the Caped Crusader's city down! Gleefully we joined the laughter, awaiting with delight, where you would take us on the exciting dark night. But it will be the last time, the final show. The curtain call. What transpired we will likely never know, what darkness like that Other Heathcliff your fair countenance concealed we cannot guess, what were your pains and dreams? We truly have no right to intrude on your privacy anymore, as the hungry flocks who even now crowd outside the room with their flashbulbs ready for some scrap of you to sell at their tabloid meat-market. No, I dare not even try to guess what brought this untimely end, much lest attempt to pass some judgment upon it. Whether twas done by his own hand, another's hand or simply the cold hand of fate - matter's not. The all too brief but dazzling life is done, and we mourn. And yet he lives on, in the beautiful eyes of his young child, and glowing in countless dark rooms. Again and again we will see them, those parts of himself he with great effort and no lack of pain put forth to play upon the screen. The cowboy and the prison guard, the junkie and the infamous rogue, from Clowning Around to the last evil clown... It is not truly goodbye, we will see you again.
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Nice work, BSB with the memorial on behalf of us TBers, knuckleheads and others alike. If any famous people die in Cleveland, I promise to do the same. But that probably won't happen in my lifetime, since anyone who can afford to live elsewhere does so.
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...the massage lady called the Olson girl when she discovered Heath was unconscious and cold to the touch. She didn't know what to do, so she called an Olson twin because she was Heath's friend. Um, hello? You're calling an Olson girl for advice? Jesus. Never heard of 9-1-1?
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with Keith Richards, King of Drug Abuse. He explains one of the main differences between himself and Mick Jagger. He says Mick likes to control everything, to have perfect order in his life. Mick likes to wake up in the morning and know exactly what he's going to do, and when. Whereas Keith (in his own words) regards life as an untameable force, and hopes simply to wake up at all, and that it's not a disaster.
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Ok, I'll say it because someone has to--what in the name of fuck was that maudlin nonsense all about? Look, I appreciate the fact that you're pouring your heart out to anonymous internet strangers as much as the next guy, but isn't this a little much? Yes, whenever an artist dies, it's lamentable. Agreed. But that in the name of shit was that garbage all about? Yes, he was a good actor, but did you personally know him? Argh, this is why I hate living in a worthless tabloid culture. It's like the AICN version of Princess Di. You folks can't complain about the Britney shit and then proceed to behave like this.
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I stopped myself from calling that diatribe gay, but you know what? It totally fucking is. And I don't mean that in a disparaging way, I'm just saying that that "tribute" or whatever the hell you want to call it is easily the gayest thing I've seen in months. Completely assfuckingly gay.
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i can see a perverting the course of justice suit coming her way, when both sides get to the bottom. That thing with the Olsen twin is very strange indeed. Who knows maybe he was banging an olsen twin, michelle found out and called off the wedding and maybe she threatened to go public. It is all very strange.
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Seriously, if celebrities would stick to the sensimilla, everything would be just fine. It's this artificial, synthetic shit that everyone is popping or snorting or sticking in their arm that fucks you up. Marijuana is a wonderful sleep aid - Heath, if you were having trouble sleeping, you shoulda just burned one dude.
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Good ol' schlocky Gibson fun. Weird to watch Ledger's death scene in the movie after recent events.
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... as everybody was all too quick to remind me last night, this TB is to memorialise Heath Ledger. It is not a place to attack him, it is not a place to air our petty squabbles. Although innocent of the former, I am sadly, remorsefully guilty of the latter. There were many things I posted last night that I wish i could take back, but AICN does not have an edit function, and I must live with it. Furthermore, unlike nearly everyone else here I do not have the mask of anonymity to hide behind and must take full responsibility for every idle word I've posted. My elegy for Heath was over-the-top, but it was heartfelt. Do you need to know someone to feel compassion? Is it wrong for me to try to atone? Why must I defend myself from you? Are there not enough ignorant trolls and disrespectful jerks here? Please, if you must attack someone attack them, or better yet refrain from attacking anyone at all. I've never been to a wake yet, where somebody didn't get drunk and start a fight, but this is enough.
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... that he could touch the hearts of those that did not know him. Of course you have to have a heart in the first place in order for it to be touched. Call it gay, it was. But please don't call it a "diatribe", you obviously don't know what that word means. i am getting dangerously close departing from the purpose of this TB again (although that doesn't seem to stop you) so i take my leave before that happens.
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I support you on that piece. Nothing wrong with putting something positive out there. There's so much vitriolic nonsense being posted on the Net (including my posts, natch) it's good to get some meaningful writing too. Your tribute might not be to everyone's taste but I'm sure it will be liked by quite a few who read it. And someday when Mr. Bean passes away we can make fun of Glovedone and Rickey when they start pouring their hearts out.
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Jan 24, 2008 9:33:31 AM CST
G: WHEN DID YOUR MAMA START USING MINT FLAVORED FIXODENT
by bringingsexyback
Leaves my cock tingly fresh.
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You'll love the freshness!
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Looks like Anchorhead stayed for breakfast. G you one lucky dog.
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for the record, when they broke into my local news to announce Heath Ledger's death yesterday, I freaked the hell out and cried for half an hour. I know I don't know him but it's really affected me. I loved 'A Knight's Tale' and loved loved loved 'Brokeback Mountain'. That's probably why, but I know it doesn't make a lot of sense. It just happened.
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I'm not making fun of Heath at all. I think he was a a terrific young actor and I lament his passing as I would any other artist who died young. I'm just not going to sit down and write a creepy love letter to his corpse, that's all.
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It's not like I can scroll up and find your posts making fun of his death. But that would be cyber stalking right, asslick?
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WTF? i just read that quote that Nicholson gave last night on tvguide and i'm a little pissed
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fox news host john gibson mocks ledger's death on his radio show:
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Ask yourselves honestly. Would this not be better suited somewhere else?
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"I warned him." No one knew what that meant. Later in some news conference Jack said that he had warned people about Ambien because he had almost driven off a cliff while taking the stuff. Now earlier we had all that that maybe Heath had taken too much Ambien by accident. So perhaps that was what Jack meant. Who knows?
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brandon wore white makeup with a drawn smile. heath wore white makeup with a drawn smile. coincidence? pantomime everywhere beware.
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One.....my first guess would be the housekeeper doesn't often find dead bodies in the homes of the people she works for. Perhaps in a state of panic, she grabbed the nearest phone (Ledger's) and in a scramble to dial 911, hit a button by accident that also happened to be a speed dial to the Olsen girl? Is that possible? Or do you think she took the time to scroll through the directory and dial the Olsen girl by specific choice? Assuming she was familiar enough with that model of phone to do so very quickly, of course. Also, this "residue" on the money issue. Do you think you've never had a bill pass through your wallet/purse that also did not at one time sit in the pocket of a drug dealer/user? I bet that if laboratory analysis was done on just 10% of the $20 bills you've had in your pocket/wallet/purse last year alone would turn up some surprising chemicals not the least of which would be 'drug residue'. This Pavlovian need for scandal is testament to character...or lack thereof.
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Do they still teach innocent until proven guilty in school, or is that a completely discarded concept?
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Granted...probably not many people roll up bills....but I know people who don't carry any money whatsoever in their wallets. Change and bills alike all in a pocket. Some people zip their change up in their wallets. Some people don't carry any change ever. A single rolled bill sure does fit the obvious description of a 'coke straw'. Of course, it could also just be a rolled up twenty. Some people think cigars are metaphorical replacements for dicks....but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
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Jan 24, 2008 10:55:05 AM CST
here's something non-controversial for you to think about
by arcadiands
Of all the memorial talkbacks this site has ever had, I've always said my part and moved on to the next story.
two days later and I'm still compelled to return to this one and read it. And Im not the only one. Make of that what you will.
The last Ive heard is that he was alive and sleeping when the cleaning lady came in, and that Heath seemed to have passed away quietly in his sleep. He didn't have a siezure or a traumatic "elvis" style drug crash. He just went to sleep, and never awoke again.
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fold it in half, put it in the front pocket of a pair of jeans for 24 hours. Take it out, unfold it, and sit it on a counter.
It has a big "S" shape to it (and sometimes will even try to 'roll up'- this you could easily assume to be the result of having been 'rolled' into a tube. It means nothing. -
It's called compassion. And you're dragging people into the muck just for the fuck of it. How decent of you. Just stop. If you can't connect to human emotion, then get out.
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This could be another par of the marketing of the movie? I mean, some sort of "bad taste joke"?
Could Heath be in Caribe or some othr place?
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Truth is, though, his career would be over from the backlash and I'm sure there would be legal issues as well. Sadly, though, this is no joke. I wish I were wrong, though.
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The fact his masseuse called Mary Kate Olsen BEFORE the ambulance. I mean, in what reality does someone phone anyone OTHER than the emergency services when they find someone dead?Isn't that behaviour grounds for criminal investigation? It is beyond bizzare
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Jan 24, 2008 1:37:47 PM CST
i'm surprised glovedone hasn't gone on an anti-immigration tear
by arcadiands
after all, we know nothing about the nationality or legal status of the housekeeper, but this is Glovedone - the king of hyperbole and assumption. Lets just assume she was illegal, had little by way of english skills, and had to call 'Meeesoose Olson' because she was afraid to call the 'Feder-alies'
and there are, thus far, NO factors pointing to illegal drugs. Every factor thus far has pointed to an accidental over-medication of legally prescribed medications. The police have already drawn that as their preliminary conclusion, so we should be safe to draw that one ourselves.
If Mary Kate's people showed up to clean things up, funny that they missed the ABSOLUTE CASCADE OF PILLS that TMZ reports were ankle deep from one end of the room to the other. Funny that they didn't clean up a twenty dollar bill "rolled up in a peculiar way.' - and in my book, a 'loosely rolled twenty' is not "peculiar". A twenty folded into a swan; now that I'd call peculiar. -
that made me laugh, bro.
Its funny cuz its true. -
Man, I really can't believe this. It fucking sucks big time. It's such a huge lost. A friend of mine who lives in Australia told me that it's like the death of the president on that country.
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A british lady press my shirts
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what's wrong with waxing poetical every now and then? People write tributes for people they didn't know all the time. In fact, it's a literary genre. At least it shows he has a heart and soul unlike some of the pricks here. And Anchy, really, get over yourself. No one gives a shit about your secret identity. Your life as a superhero in the Middle East is not in danger.
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we'll i was wrong about the drugs but..... comment where he launches into a spinning dervish of explanation where somehow, in his own mind, he's actually not wrong.
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That no one in the media has really found it odd that the masseuse called MKO first.It's like a movie where someone accidently kills a guy and they phone a friend to say "fuck, i just killed someone"...I mean, logic dictates that you phone the police and ambulance before anyone else doesn't it?I don't honestly think there was anything suspicious, i just find it bizarre that the phone calls were made in that order.FWIW, i think he didn't suicide or OD; at least i'd like to think so. There are plenty of reports of young, healthy people just dying for no apparent reason and the fact that toxicology is going to take 10 days to show anything is another big puzzle. Usually when someone OD's on any kind of drug their blood is usually so chock full of the poison in question it kinda stands out.
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...from "Nero" to "Zero." Clearly I'm dealing with a man that has reached the pinnacle of maturity.
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He very nearly cried on Oprah's show. He was supposed to be talking about his own nomination but he just started talking about Heath, who he didn't know either. :(
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People who signed up voluntarily to be soldiers aren't the only people who die and deserve to be honored in this world. Keep in mind that this is an entertainment website dedicated to covering celebrities, movies, etc. Talk radio and news broadcasts are where you go to get information and tribute to those fallen in the line of duty. With that being said, not everyone has to go to war to deserve to be mourned and remembered. Not all soldiers are good people, just like not all celebrities are good people. I'm tired of people using patriotism as a weapon.
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i answer anchorite over on the 007 thread it would be just tacky to do so here.
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...So I come into work this morning and I think "I'll check to see what's happening on AICN" and I am amazed that Prof Ikamono has continued his antagonising adventure through the talkback - Like I said about 18 hours ago, he loves the sound of his own voice... Meanwhile, you're all still arguing like school children... Unbelievable...
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...Sounds like you've got some inner-child issues that might need processing there mate - What perscription medication are you taking?
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...for now your spirit sits at the left claw of the one God almighty. May you reign eternal in the throbbing, engorged halls of the Seven Heavens atop a throne of milk chocolate and lambs wool, while 700 virgin Olsen twins lay at your feet. A golden Broad sword in one hand, a fiery cucumber in the other. Rest well indeed my gay cowboy warrior, rest well.
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I feel like I know him but sometimes my arms bend back.
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... the birds always sing a pretty song and there's always music in the air.
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Anyone who's been posting on this site for more than a year should know the "flame game" by now. To first timers just don't post responses to the cowards,even when they try and use your post to stir shit up,it's just lame and would go on forever if you allow it. Anytime a subject thats even remotely touchy comes up these losers come out in droves to try and piss people off,some do it while trying to sound pompus while others take the low road with dumb jokes, either way it's all the same. Just treat them like the opposite sex do and ignore them,sure they'll still try and get off but they will have to do it alone as usual. Good Day Sirs.
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...on whysoseriousdotcom ... the denial part of me still wishes this was a sick viral prank from mistah j, and my thoughts and prayers go out to matilda and the family and gilliam.
sometimes my arms bend back too arual palmer, sometimes my arms bend back too. -
...Call Mary-Kate THREE times before realising she should perhaps call someone perhaps a little more important? Albeit, 15mins later...?
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I have two younger brothers, 10 and 12. Whenever something happens that is out of the scope of their emotional maturity, they first become agitated and angry, and then start making inappropriate jokes. Now I don't fault them, because they are, after all, 10 and 13. You idiots, however, should be ashamed.
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So shut the fuck up. All of you.
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See the video. Maybe he'll step up to be The Joker in part 3.
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it begs to question
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...could have better timing.
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That's why people who know films don't take it seriously. if you are the best then you should win, none of this, nah he can win another time. then it's not an awards show.
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Turns out that in NY City, you must be accredited and lisenced to be a masseuse, and have a certification in CPR. Practicing massage without either is punishable with fines and jail time - fines for being caught, and jail time if someone is injured or dies.
according to MSNBC, she's not listed by the Dept of Education as being a certified masseuse. That might be why she called Olson so many times - she didn't want to be the one to call the police because she was not certified to do her job. I feel bad for her because of no fault of her own, Mr. Ledger has passed away, and now she's going to become a pariah. People are grieving and too many times, they want someone to 'pay' for their paing. I only hope that common sense prevails and this woman gets whatever legal fines and suspensions are coming her way, but jail time over this would be a sad epilogue.
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Lets assume that in a few years, we'll get a Heath Ledger movie - who do you think should play Mr Ledger?
Mr Ed Norton, I think, has the skill but it would be really great to see Mr Johnny Depp depicting Heath in his Joker role. Depp has the range and the chops to make a role like that amazing. He'd be pushing our suspension of reality with his age, but the guy was able to make us think he was a police officer undercover in high school when he was pushing 30. I think he could do it. Id buy a ticket for that, and I haven't been inside a theater for over 12 years. -
uhh Would Norton or Depp play Heath when he's an old man? Ed Norton!! have you never seen the man, he's nothing like Heath.
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I know this is usually everyone's plain of opinion and judgment, but the man has died. Most of the time Talkbacks are put in place to let everyone on this site share their admiration or vent their frustration, but the man is dead, this has nothing to do with his personal life - no one here knew Heath Ladger personally, no one had a vested interest in his private life before this happened just his work as an actor and the characters he played. If someone told you a week ago that Heath Ledger was taking a mixture of prescription and non-presiption drugs, you probably wouldn't have given it a second's thought, now some feel the need to jump on a high horse and drop their baggage on a stranger. I don't understand it. It's the loss of a talented person in the prime of his life, which is a waste regardless of the way in which his life ended. I just find this all a bit bemusing, and I'm not sure what some of the contributers here hope to achieve or vent by chastising a dead man for private actions we still know very little about. I'll miss Heath Ledger as an actor and I wish this hadn't happened.
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...about the Dark Knight release being shelved by Warners. Told you so.
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Jan 26, 2008 5:54:17 AM CST
i am going to see if I can get the link for that observer articl
by emeraldboy
which was printed before Brokeback mountain.
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there's no way in hell is that gonna ever happen. WB will shelve TDK just like they did with Enter the Dragon.
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The idea of shelving THE DARK KNIGHT would dishonor Heath Ledger, and all the work and effort he put into his role. TDK needs to be released as planned, on time and untampered, having the final cut be EXACTLY what it was supposed to be. Warner Bros. would be making a BIG mistake to alter plans because of Heath's passing, including any temptation to get more free press by publicly even considering such an idea.
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Interesting and thoughtful of Warner Bros to have taken off all material of the Dark Knight from the main official (thedarkknight.com) website and replace it with a no frills heart felt short tribute to heath Ledger. No batman content whatsoever can be seen. Whenever they do release the Dark Knight, (whether on schedule or delayed), most will not help thinking about Heath's tragedy and I suspect Warner Bros will have realise that. particularly with the fact that the Joker may possibly die in the film, WB may worry about the parallel connection of Heaths demise. However, there is only one thing that can help deal with everyone's sorrow for the tragedy of Heath and that will be Heath Ledger leaving us one more legacy. That legacy being...The Joker. I am already in awe of the Joker just from this trailer. "Why so serious?". Indeed. let us celebrate his life by watching everything he gave to entertain us - bring on the Joker, WB.
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at Heath's funeral, because of his Brokeback role. What the fuck is wrong with these people? Seriously, I hate Christian fundamentalists. Fuck them.
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He was a stooge hired by the real Joker.
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As always, something tragic happens (yes, all the killing in Iraq, Africa -that continent no one gives a fuck about, because it´s not amerocan blood-, the violence and poverty in the cities, and many, many other things that are equally horrible or even harsher, nobody's arguing that) and the League of Morality shows up. If its drugs or not, suicide, an accident, whatever, it's not just something simple as a plain election by anyone; it's impossible to have full control of ourselves, feelings and thoughts all the time. Somebody with whom people used to feel empathy dies, and what happens next? many people take it as a narcissistic opportunity to show their anger about something else or state their moral beliefs about "indecent" bahaviour, use it as an excuse to lecture about good and bad and use the event as to rise themselves up as morality bastions... insensitive idiots, you don't give a fuck about no one except yourselves. He is dead, that's sad, that's all. Maybe a warning, ok, but that's all.
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It was bound to happen. Now can we return to respect?
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I think they should just go forward as planned. To take anything away from the movie that is Heath's last work would be wrong, imo. Whatever marketing they were going to have, unless it's really too inappropriate now, should be used too. We're going to want to see everything eventually anyway.
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comments two days ago made sense. has everyone lost they minds since then? 1st, WB will not shelve TDK, thats just stupid. 2nd, Talking about TDK is NOT disrespecting Heath Ledger and 3rd They will not make a film about him because his death was not dramatic neither was he a massive icon.
He was a great actor who had a tragic but simple and accidental end thats it.
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Christopher Allport was a veteran character actor. He recently played Peter Campbell's father on MAD MEN. But he was also on shows like X-files, Kindred: The Embraced, The Pretender, Quantum Leap and tons more. His body was found after the recent avalanche in the San Gabriel Mountains. I know he wasn't a "household name" but he has been in over 80 TV shows & movies. From M*A*S*H & Barnaby Jones to Picket Fences & 90210 to most recently Mad Men that's a pretty long TV career.
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