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The 2008 Oscar Nominations Are Here - And They're Pretty Good!
Hey folks, Harry here... Well - it's Oscar Morning. Soon we'll see an old fart and probably Jennifer Hudson or Helen Mirren announcing the nominees. (Can't remember if its the prior year's actress or Supporting actress) So - I'm up... no sleep - to give you the low down. I'm sure we'll all have our surprises and disappointments. For me - I'm positive that Edgar Wright's HOT FUZZ won't be nominated for BEST EDITING, like it deserves. And we already know the brilliant score for THERE WILL BE BLOOD was disqualified for use of existing themes. FUCK THE ACADEMY - YOU PRICKS!!! SIgh. So, we can already be mad about that. And what the fuck was up with I AM LEGEND being in that final smaller group for Visual Effects - are they blind? Those were the worst animated allegedly Human-esque figures in quite some time. Anyway - Check back here... and start discussing the concept of the Oscars. Having an unscripted Oscars might mean... simple introductions or heartfelt straight talk... rather than all the goofy shit that usually gets written for presenters. Or - it could just turn into inanity, moreso than usual. We'll see. Be back soon with the goods...
whoa - it's Kathy Bates
Best Actor
George Clooney - Michael Clayton
Daniel Day-Lewis - There Will Be Blood
Johnny Depp - Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Tommy Lee Jones - In The Valley Of Elah
Viggo Mortensen - Eastern Promises
Best Supporting Actor
Casey Affleck - The Assassination of Jesse James By The Coward Robert Ford
Javier Bardem - No Country For Old Men
Philip Seymour Hoffman - Charlie Wilson's War
Hal Holbrook - Into The Wild
Tom Wilkinson - Michael Clayton
Best Actress
Cate Blanchett - Elizabeth: The Golden Age
Julie Christie - Away From Her
Marion Cotillard - La Vie En Rose
Laura Linney - The Savages
Ellen Page - Juno
Best Supporting Actress
Cate Blanchett - I'm Not There
Rudy Dee - American Gangster
Saoirse Ronan - Atonement
Amy Ryan - Gone Baby Gone
Tilda Swinton - Michael Clayton
Best Animated Feature
Persepolis
Ratatouille
Surf's Up
Art Direction
American Gangster
Atonement
The Golden Compass
Sweeney Todd
There Will Be Blood
Cinematography
The Assassination of Jesse James By The Coward Robert Ford
Atonement
The Diving Bell And The Butterfly
No Country For Old Men
There Will Be Blood
Costume Design
Across The Universe
Atonement
Elizabeth: The Golden Age
La Vie En Rose
Sweeney Todd
Best Director
Julian Schnabel - The Diving Bell And The Butterfly
Jason Reitman - Juno
Tony Gilroy - Michael Clayton
Joel & Ethan Coen - No Country For Old Men
Paul Thomas Anderson - There Will Be Blood
Best Documentary Feature
No End In Sight
Operation Homecoming: Writing The Wartime Experience
Sicko
Taxi To The Dark Side
War/Dance
Best Documentary Short Subject
Freeheld
La Corona (The Crown)
Salim Baba
Sari's Mother
Best Editing
The Bourne Ultimatum
The Diving Bell And The Butterfly
Into The Wild
No Country For Old Men
There Will Be Blood
Best Foreign Language Film
Beaufort
The Counterfeiters
Katyn
Mongol
12
Best Makeup
La Vie En Rose
Norbit
Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End
Best Music Original Score
Atonement
The Kite Runner
Michael Clayton
Ratatouille
3:10 To Yuma
Best Music - Original Song
Once
Enchanted
August Rush
Enchanted
Enchanted
Best Picture
Atonement
Juno
Michael Clayton
No Country For Old Men
There Will Be Blood
Best Animated Short Film
I Met The Walrus
Madame Tutli-Putli
Même Les Pigeons vont Au Paradis (Even Pigeons Go to Heaven)
My Love (Moya Lyubov)
Peter & The Wolf
Best Live Action Short Film
At Night
Il Supplente (The Substitute)
Le Mozart Des Pickpokets
Tanghi Argentini
The Tonto Woman
Best Sound Editing
The Bourne Ultimatum
No Country For Old Men
Ratatouille
There Will Be Blood
Transformers
Best Sound Mixing
The Bourne Ultimatum
No Country For Old Men
Ratatouille
3:10 To Yuma
Transformers
Best Visual Effects
The Golden Compass
Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End
Transformers
Adapted Screenplay
Atonement
Away From Her
The Diving Bell And The Butterfly
No Country For Old Men
There Will Be Blood
Original Screenplay
Juno
Lars and the Real Girl
Michael Clayton
Ratatouille
The Savages
The Leading nominated films are NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN and THERE WILL BE BLOOD - Locked in immortal combat for 8 Nominations each! I have to say - I'm real real happy that PERSEPOLIS got nominated for Animated Film - and I think there's a pretty good chance that it could upset RATATOUILLE - but I would still say that's a 20 to 1 shot. I would have loved to have seen PERSEPOLIS get a Foreign Language Film nom too... alas.
Daniel Day-Lewis - There Will Be Blood
Johnny Depp - Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Tommy Lee Jones - In The Valley Of Elah
Viggo Mortensen - Eastern Promises
Javier Bardem - No Country For Old Men
Philip Seymour Hoffman - Charlie Wilson's War
Hal Holbrook - Into The Wild
Tom Wilkinson - Michael Clayton
Julie Christie - Away From Her
Marion Cotillard - La Vie En Rose
Laura Linney - The Savages
Ellen Page - Juno
Rudy Dee - American Gangster
Saoirse Ronan - Atonement
Amy Ryan - Gone Baby Gone
Tilda Swinton - Michael Clayton
Ratatouille
Surf's Up
Atonement
The Golden Compass
Sweeney Todd
There Will Be Blood
Atonement
The Diving Bell And The Butterfly
No Country For Old Men
There Will Be Blood
Atonement
Elizabeth: The Golden Age
La Vie En Rose
Sweeney Todd
Jason Reitman - Juno
Tony Gilroy - Michael Clayton
Joel & Ethan Coen - No Country For Old Men
Paul Thomas Anderson - There Will Be Blood
Operation Homecoming: Writing The Wartime Experience
Sicko
Taxi To The Dark Side
War/Dance
La Corona (The Crown)
Salim Baba
Sari's Mother
The Diving Bell And The Butterfly
Into The Wild
No Country For Old Men
There Will Be Blood
The Counterfeiters
Katyn
Mongol
12
Norbit
Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End
The Kite Runner
Michael Clayton
Ratatouille
3:10 To Yuma
Enchanted
August Rush
Enchanted
Enchanted
Juno
Michael Clayton
No Country For Old Men
There Will Be Blood
Madame Tutli-Putli
Même Les Pigeons vont Au Paradis (Even Pigeons Go to Heaven)
My Love (Moya Lyubov)
Peter & The Wolf
Il Supplente (The Substitute)
Le Mozart Des Pickpokets
Tanghi Argentini
The Tonto Woman
No Country For Old Men
Ratatouille
There Will Be Blood
Transformers
No Country For Old Men
Ratatouille
3:10 To Yuma
Transformers
Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End
Transformers
Away From Her
The Diving Bell And The Butterfly
No Country For Old Men
There Will Be Blood
Lars and the Real Girl
Michael Clayton
Ratatouille
The Savages
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what does that say about my habbits and time? ohoh...
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Something tells me Sunshine got f'ed in the A for any technical awards. Transformers will probably walk away with something
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That's news. They've been announced, where is the talkback.
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18min. to go...
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Harry free-associating for three hours! It'll almost be like one of his reviews... (You know I love ya, big guy).
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William Smiths performance was really good in I am A Will Smith Movie. Lets see No Country for Supporting (even though Brolin should deserves it more then the Katie Holms Hairdo experience who'll win), adapted, and probably movie. TWBB Actor. I say they give Burton the director award, because lets face it his probably done after Todd, if not it'll go to the Cohens.
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And his merry band of computer geeks will win Animated, but for my money TMNT was the best animated movie of the year. One of the few movies to be based off of a cartoon/tv show that did not totally basteridize the show or premise. Maybe it'll win best fight scene on MTV, no we all know 300 will get that.
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The WGA does not discriminate and if they picket the Oscars, that they will picket the razzies as well.
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Looks like its Nick Cages year to win for worst Actor.
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better get some love. Harry is right about the FX in I Am Legend - total crap.
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agree?
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Make it happen, Oscar.
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It'll be nominated for the other 'major' awards but won't win them.
Day-lewis will get best actor.
Bardem will get supporting.
Cohens and Anderson will probably get either best film or best director.
Best adapted screenplay for cohens.
juno will get best original screen play to show that the oscars are hip and down with the kids and their indie films.
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Jason Friedberg & Aaron Seltzer can get the first razzie lifetime acheivement award. I can't believe that there are people who copy them! The comebacks and the upcoming Superhero movie. What happened to that guys who did Not Another Teen Movie?
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..but everyone seems to have forgotten it so it won't get much. Maybe it'll come out of the left field and get best cinematography?
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Although both their chances took a big hit with the WGA strike KO'ing the Golden Globes. Especially for Knightley.
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Who wins best actress? I mean except for the queen, when has a womens role in a movie been totally easily replaceable? Call me a bigget or a shovinist, but who has ever gone DAMN! She deserved that more then her? Especially now a days you almost hope for an actress you like NOT to win the award. Because if they do you can say GOOD bye to them ever trying hard again.
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Jan 22, 2008 7:24:58 AM CST
Sunshine for most kickass movie of the year
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
Saw it nearly 6 months ago and I still think about it in a mesmerised way.
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Jan 22, 2008 7:27:28 AM CST
Ratatouille will get animation and deserves it but . . .
by samuel steamer
. . . did anyone see Surfs Up? That was pretty sweet animation! Persepolis, which I'm sure is a fine movie, better not win. Beowolf was good looking too. You have to think of that one as a moving painting rather than almost real. Yup. Ratatouille will win and deservedly so.
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. . . to change things up, Persepolis beats out Pixar.
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I mean, it's all just a popularity contest anymore.
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Maybe they'll have to pick presenters who can think, ad-lib, and be coherant.
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and it's a very dull picture so far. ;)
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HELL YEAH I SUCK TOES! Yeah man Sunshine rules. Fuck everyone calling it a ripoff, every movie at this point is a ripoff of something else. Plus say what you want about the last part of the movie, at least it was done very well. Fuck Fox Searchlight for promoting crap like Juno which plays just as well on a small screen, while shafting cinimatic event movies like Sunshine and Daywatch which should have been seen on a big screen to fully enjoy. But mainly fuck Juno and all you fags talking about how sweet and good it was, Jason Bateman was a perve. And as much as I hate him D.L. Hughley was right, a white girl gets preggers and we want to give her awards, a black girl gets pregnet and we send her a welfare worker. I am glad Juno is doing all it can to help promote teen pregency. Jason Reitman first you made us feel bad for big companys, now we good about a pregnet high schoolers. Why don't you get your dad out of the coma he is in and make us feel good about seeing his movies again? Oh wait too busy working on that buddy comedy about two guys who join the KKK?
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No Jennifer Garner. :(
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At what point was it making us feel sympathy for the companies promoting smoking? :-/ It was showing the hypocricy on both sides of the argument.
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has to be the best field in a long long time.
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No Keira Knightley in Actress = DEAD TO ME.
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WOOT!
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I'm sure it's a nice little film but i can't help but feel cynical about their reasons for nominating it.
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...as a Best Picture nominee, it is officially overrated.
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I liked Jones in "Elah" but thought he was WAY better in No Country. Jason Reitman getting a best director nomination for Juno? Ugh, I wish he woulda gotten it for Thank You For Smoking. Into the Wild got the snub, and Atonement got the major shaft, but at least it's still up for best picture (although with those nominations it has no chance at winning obviously). My predictions were way off.
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Yeah, yeah--I know it wont win. It was still my favorite movie of the year.
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Jan 22, 2008 7:45:44 AM CST
OKAY AT LEAST THE BITCHING WAS KEPT SHORT..!!
by greigy just wanted to say
Bottom line if you visit this site then odds on you are passionate about film. If you're TRUELY passionate about good films then the OSCARS SHOULD HAVE NO INTEREST FOR YOU AS THEY HAVE FUCK ALL TO DO WITH GOOD FILMS. Conservative, safe, smug that's you're average Oscar Winner.... last Decent oscar winner... UNFORGIVEN.
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Where was Sweeney Fucking Todd?
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and I loved Juno - but a little overrated. Ellen Page is deserving though.
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I agree with you about Juno. It was a good movie but I didnt think it warrented a best pic nod. But I cant think of anything else at the moment to replace it.
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Daniel Day-Lewis, Ellen Page, etc. etc. There will be no surprises.
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Way to go to JUNO!
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Should win a very special award from the SFX house that did them for having the balls to even campaign for an oscar. THE MUMMY RETURNS FUCK-UP AWARD GOES TO.....
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for best visual effects.
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leave it alone, and it has the whole country talking. I KNOW I KNOW IT'S CLICHE - BUT - It kinda is this year's Little Miss Sunshine.
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I think Zodiac was better than Juno. Had to think for a minute but got one better than it. And if There Will Be Blood doesn't get best Actor, Director, and Movie then I'll be upset. At least DDL will win but I'm not sure about the other 2. I think it's gonna be split alot this year. Atonement and No Country will get Movie and Adapted Screenplay but Im not sure which one.
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Creepy.
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Yeah i recognize that, but there was not that much presented against it I felt. Plus the actor got off way to easily, I guess if anything it is kind of realisitic that way. Plus both movies were not as funny or as poignant as everyone likes to make them out to be. After thank you for smokeing came out, it was like no one had ever heard of The Insider.
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DAMN, did it get snubbed!
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I mean not even a nod for cinematography or editing? It was easily one of the best made films last year.
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And the world, as we know it, has ended.
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After being ignored at the Globes, Juno gets nominated in almost every important category. It should also win in every case but I don't see that happening.
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Greenleaf1, TLJ was much better In Valley of Elah than No Country because he had weaker material to work with. Though I think Elah is no where near the classic that No Country is, Jones' performance is 100% true and real. I keep remembering the scenes in his hotel room where TLJ wakes up in a cold sweat from a nightmare about his son, to his learning about his son's death, to his cutting himself while shaving,etc. It really is a bravura performance showing a real psychological breakdown of a character losing faith.
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category is Actor in a Supporting Role and this year is no different. I really like all of those actors, as usual.
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Word to that, I pretty much hate westerns, but Unforgiven is one of my favorite movies ever. I got into a argument with some ass clown who was trying to tell me that Tombstone was better then Unforgiven.
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day lewis get actor, bardem gets support,christie gets actress, blanchett gets support, best film goes to no country and directer to PTA. nice to see persopolis get a nod,, fuck you simpsons.
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Career achievement nomination there, IMO.
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snubsters!
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F*** YOU TO THE ACADEMY! WALK HARD!
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LET NORBIT WIN!!!! OHHH MY GOD LET THEM DO IT!!!! Give it to Rick Baker!!! If they give anything to Norbit just because its Baker and Murphy, then they Oscars will officially be considered moot.
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One More Sign The Apocalypse Is Nigh.
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For best visuals!!!!! I could've understood Spiderman 3 or any other summer movie. But my god talk about a celebration of crap.
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There are plenty of other films that should have been nominated instead of Juno.
Honestly getting too upset over it though is pointless. This is the same award show that gave best picture to Titanic, Crash, and Shakespeare in Love just to name a few off the top of my head that don't deserve it. -
WALK HARD!
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Has Jason Reitman made? Or is it Fox Searchlight? Because two fucking gay ass movies in a row getting way more praise then they deserve.
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the Golden Compass get two noms and Walk Hard did not get one for songs. I have not seen walk hard but I've heard the music, and it looks like the Oscars are just giving awards away to the highest bidder. I guess Aptow wasted all his money on Juno, didn't have enough to get Walk Hard a song award.
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As long as NCFOM and TWBB got nods for Best Pic and Direction (unlike the Golden Globes), I was gonna be happy :) A nod for Depp and a Best Song shoe-in for Once is just a bonus :)
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About best Actress. I really hope Cate Blandchett wins this year, because that first win did not really sink in with her. She needs to go away and go and act in movies that no one cares about, so I can stop hearing about her.
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It's got these noms just because of Fox's marketing efforts. I'm not saying it's a bad film, but there were plenty others out there that could have been nominated instead of Juno for best pic and best director, etc. oh well
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sorry for the double post. Zodiac didn't get anything simply because it was released almost a year ago. The Academy is populated by people---sure they're all the artists and stuff tha vote for their categories and what not, but like us , they're people and most people are dumb and forget what movies even came out in the past year, especially early 2007. either way, zodiac split critics for the most part
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James McAvoy, Keira Knightley and Joe Wright got robbed. I mean I liked Michael Clayton and Gilroys direction was fine. But Wright direction was suberb. It's a disgrace.
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A truly outstanding foreign film. I'm not going to concentrate on the negative, but for the most part, they got a lot right this year. I'm happy for Casey Affleck. Awesome performance.
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Didn't get any noms? I just realized how bad these noms are. Also how very little the academy wants comic book adaptations to exists. Really no awards for 300? I am not a 300 or die kind of guy, but if you going to give Golden Compass and Norbit noms, you couldn't give 300 sound editing or some shit? I blame all the meet the Spartans crap on right now which the Special Olympics of Oscar deciders probably got confused for 300. Seriously no Art Direction or Custom? Sweeny Todd is good and all, but its lacking in those departments where recent Burton films have been succeeding. The Oscars voters were like hmmm what big movie do we give praise to this year? OH Micheal Bay has a new movie, give him all the technical awards, he cups.
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...With these noms, you swap out Michael Clayton for Into The Wild or Jesse James instead.
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It has an 89% on the Tomatometer and when it came out it had much higher. Most films go down on the Tomatometer as time goes on.Not looking for an argument and you are totally right about the amount of time between it's release and now being the main factor for the lack of nominations.
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Yet Juno gets nominated? Fuck off.
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...Your right. No, seriously, if its not something Hillary Swank (whose winning roles are probally better than even her male counter parts) is doing, the best lead actress award is nearly always a total waste of time. Best supporting (perhaps its just art falling in step with nature) however, always has some really good performances.
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Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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...Two of the supporting actors, Bardem and Affleck, ESPECIALLY Affleck, were pretty much leads anyway. Afflecks performance was definately as good or better than the other male leads.
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But he will be like Altmann never win but he will get a honorary one like 50 years from now.
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What, no one complain about Beowulf not get any noms? lol
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Can anyone think of another time a film was nominated for both an Oscar and a Razzie?
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...Don't stone me, but I don't think Zodiac was good enough to get up on the best picture list anyway. Maybe better than Michael Clayton, but then again, so were Into The Wild and Jesse James, and they were better than Zodiac. Juno was too, stop picking on it.
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Javier Bardem - No Country For Old Men vs. Hal Holbrook - Into The Wild. The two best performances of the year, period. If you’re an academy voter, how do you choose between them?
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Persepolis is nominated. That's far from a kids flick. The Academy just realized that the Simpsons movie could have been far better. Surf's Up was a bit of a surprise, though.
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What a waste of a nomination. I would've loved to see Gone Baby Gone nominated instead of this hipster comic-drama. Diablo Cody would be an unknown if it weren't for the fact that film execs love strip clubs. she must give a hell of a blowjob.
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That fact that 3:10 to Yuma, Jesse James, and Zodiac got snubbed is proof enough that the Oscars are pretty much worthless.
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Just give it to her, she is nominated every year!
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I just think quite a few things deserve the nom before it. Ellen Page deserves everything that comes her way, though. That was the second movie that I have seen her as a lead in, and the second movie she has blown me away with.
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That was the best adapted screenplay
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Yes, I am Juno bitching. I had a great time with that movie, honestly I did, but come on, there are so many other films that could have used those noms instead of Juno. Nothing really amazing about Juno (well, with the exception of Ellen Page perhaps). What a let down. And about Norbit....always thought that makeup category was worthless
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http://www.paramount.com/startrek/ Good noms though.
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I also enjoyed the heck out of the movie, but I reserve the right to protest on behalf of Sweeney Todd, regardless of its chances of winning. I really can't complain about much else, though. As long as Norbit doesn't win. Christ almighty.
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Seeing as how the writers strike is nowhere near at a conclusion? The writers aren't gonna cave in to save this event (damn right too) and you can bet no actor will cross that picket line.
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..for best Make Up, you fucktards! Since when said the quality of the Make Up something about the quality of the movie itself? Grow up!
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because he doesn't rap about ho's or make a score that makes you think "um, racism is bad, right? That's what you want me to feel?
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I'm glad to see Bourne Ultimatum and 3:10 to Yuma pick up a few noms each. It feels good when movies you like are rewarded. That's why no one's complaining about No Country, but want to see films like Zodiac or Jesse James or Sweeney slide into the Best Picture slot. It's a form of ownership.
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Deserves NOTHING! For her part in X-men 3, and her being OK with the idea that her crapfest/downsyndrome acting in that that movie could stop the fucking Juggernaut. Fucking Kitty Pride worst part in that already bad movie.
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Bianca from "Lars and the Real Girl" gets snubbed. A sex doll can't get a break in Hollywood.
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What the fuck is going on here? Am I living in the Matrix? JUNO was a small, funny little film - NOTHING MORE! Why is it being nominated for Best Picture instead of THE ASSASSINATION OF JESSE JAMES BY THE COWARD ROBERT FORD, or INTO THE WILD. This is not acceptable and I will NOT go gently into the night... or something.
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Juno is like a pimple on the ass of cinema compared to Into the Wild
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The Simpsons Movie is a hell of a lot better than Surfs Up and should have been nominated for animation.
Second, the fact that Kings didn't get a nomination for Best Foreign Language film (Irish) is an absolute discrace.
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Strange to see DB&BF nominated for several awards, but no best picture? I think I would have traded out Juno and Michael Clayton for that one and Into the Wild as far as best picture goes. Odd too that Schnabel's movie didnt end up on the foreign films list. Is there an eligibility issue there or something? Personally, Im rooting for There Will Be Blood for Best Picture. And yes,that forever in the future it may be said "Academy Award/Razzie nominee Norbit" is amusing...and sad. Im kind of surprised 300 didnt take that make-up spot especially considering the work they did to TASG to transform him into Xerxes.
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were the three best films I saw this summer. I am stunned that Chris Cooper didnt get anything. That was the best performance that man ever gave. As an Irish man Go Saorise!
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Wins for best scrreenplay, then perhaps there is a god. Shit as long as someone else wins it besides Juno.
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That movie is fierce in every imaginable way. And inspiring too. And whoever the fuck is responsible for Meet The Spartans needs to be thrown over a wall at the San Francisco Zoo.
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And James Newton Howard's score to Michael Clayton gets nominated? All it consisted of was synth drones and ONE orchestral theme over the end credits! I'm a Howard fan, but his current scores to I Am Legend and Charlie Wilson's War were MUCH better. Ah well, at least the wonderful Ratatouille score got nominated, even if Alexandre Desplat's excellent music to Lust, Caution got shafted.
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Theoretically, all they'd have to do is stand NEAR the wall for a while, but still...
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Chris Cooper always delivers. He can't do otherwise.
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I really want to see Hansard & Irglova perform "Falling Slowly". But in other funny news for the August Rush Song nominee it says "nominees to be determined", like it doesn't specify which song. That's weird. I thought a lot of the nominations were surprising like Tommy Lee Jones for best lead actor with The Valley of Elah, when he was actually the best supporting actor in NCFOM, although I'm happy with Javier's nom too. If there is a ceremony it'll have a supercool bunch of nominees. The Coens and Paul Thomas Anderson and Johnny Depp and Viggo. Yeah, they better get that whole writer thing straightened out.
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I'm not sure who's worse, the retards that made that film or the retards that will go out and buy a ticket to watch that shit. Hell, you wanna see shit? I can take a dump for you, put it on youtube and you can watch it for free. And it will still be better that trash
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It makes them ineligible for an Oscar.
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where he said he got up on Lena Headley and "fucked her". Hilarious.
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for 3 10. That was some performance. Epsecially that scene where he goes up to those two guys and says Are you a posse, they yes and he kills them and says I hate posses. brilliant. He was the best actor in the movie by a long mile. Shooting your enemy in front of your child. and then getting your own commupance. That was a great movie.
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it was presented by bruce willis and justin long and given to gerard butler for the uber immortal fight. which was awesome by the way.
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Where the hell is "300" for Special Effects?, Keira Knightly and James McAvoy for "Atonement"?, Chris Cooper or Ryan Phillipe for "Breach"?; Sean Penn for "Into the Wild"?; No songs from "Sweeney Todd" but three for "Enchanted"? - I smell "DreamGirls" fate; and Judd Apatow snubbed again for screenplay
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Got nominated because all they saw was the name Rick Baker. That spot easily should have gone to 300 or 30 days of night even. But they are based on comics.
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I second those who are showing their love for this film. It's definitely in my Top 5 for the year. The fact that the Academy chose to "overlook" it is unforgivable. What a bunch of short-term memory fucks.
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I want to see this ceremony too. This is not a lame list of noms like Jennifer Hudson was. This is a freaking All-Star year ... Day-Lewis, Clooney ... SIGH
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Fuck...
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And didn't that win some Oscars? Should have been best film, director, actor, actress, screenplay, casting, special effects, lighting, etc. if it didn't ...
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Oh yeah I fergot MTV does there yearly awards like in the middle of the year are some shit.
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and it was paced like a bullet train. Good stuff.
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Jan 22, 2008 9:11:33 AM CST
the problem is that Irish is an outdated and dead language
by emeraldboy
only spoken by those who want to shove it down my(an irish mans) throat. We dont speak are own lingo because it is so badly taught in school and for the record I learnt irish in school all the way through till sixth year and I dont use it no. When you leave school you dump it and never speak it again.
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Once again, the Hollywood elites show just how out of touch they are with "flyover country" they really are. Strike or no strike, NOBODY's watching this year. The Oscars are a joke.
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WHAT. THE. FUCK?
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...well, maybe costume design, but seriously, what a terrible sequel. And Michael Clayton, while a good film, was hardly a great one, so I don't get all the love for that. Ditto for Juno. And Norbitt? The whole 'lets watch Rick Baker turn Eddie Murphy into a whole bunch of different characters" thing was old a decade ago now, so why the love? Scary. 300 should have gotten a couple of visual noms (fx and cinematography) as visually it looked like nothing that had ever come before it, and it really did create it's own world on film, whether you like the film or not. Likewise Cronenberg (Eastern Promises), Tim Burton (Sweeney Todd) and Andrew Dominik (Assassination of Jesse James...) all deserved director nominations far more than Jason Reitman (Juno) and Tony Gilroy (Michael Clayton). Christina Ricci deserved some attention for her role in Black Snake Moan too, and should have replaced Blanchett's nomination for Elizabeth:TGA. Oscars are a mixed bag of the worthy, baffling and just plain unworthy - news at 11.
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got fucked over once again. Zodiac was my favorite film of last year. At the very least it should have got a nomination for directing, editing and cinemotography.
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...and somewhere out there, Memories-Of-Murder keels over from a stroke.
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The hulking ghost of Raul Julia WILL win the Oscar. Because that shit would RULE!
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I liked Juno, one of my favs of the year, but there is a difference between fav and Best Picture.
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Is this idea that Oscar ignores comic-based films based on FACT, like voting criteria, or just trends? Because for a long, long time, no one ever believed that a Fantasy film would win anything, and lo and behold, we get Lord of the Rings. So I think it just takes the right vehicle.
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I just can't see what the buzz is over Juno?!?! It is one of the most annoying movie ever made. Filled with empty one-liners and none-to-subtle references. Suprised that The Simpsons Movie did not get any love.......particulary that it's miles better than Surf's Up Josh brolin????
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it will be about a teen who gets into trouble by calling his teacher a fag, but he actually said bag, so he's a good guy, but he has to go through time spent with gay people until he learns that they are just like him, and he talks on a phone shaped like a Kiwi, and he drinks Josta and says stuff like "Catch you on the flip side, pancake". I'll see you guys at the Oscar's next year
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Jan 22, 2008 9:15:58 AM CST
Oscar-nominated Norbit starring Oscar-nominated Eddie Murphy
by darrenspool
I swear that will appear on its DVD cover one day.
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he probably did have a stroke
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I'd never seen him in anything other than X3 (where I thought he sucked along with the rest of the movie) but damn that kid can act. He definitely had a Brokeback crush on Ben Wade (also remember when Peter Fonda called him Charlie Princess?) and that was his motivation for freeing the Boss.
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Kings still deserved to be nominated. It was a great film and I have a feeling it was overlooked because some parts were in English.
Irish isn't actually a dead language though, it's been coming back strong in recent years though I'll admit, whenever an RTE presenter starts speaking Irish I tune out. I did Irish in school for 12 years....I was fluent by the time I got to secondary school...then for some reason I forgot it all. -
there were a handfull of films that made going to the cinema rewarding, Micheal Clayton, 3 ten 2 yuma, ratatoiulle, Breach. I didnt see sicko cause I am bored with micheal Moore and Havent seen atonement. I know you cant give an award to everyone but The best thing in Clayton was Tilda swinton. She is not nominated so screw that.
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Yup.You're right. Annoying, isn't it?
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There are so many great movies with amazing cast performances, were no one individual actor shines. They need a new category to honor a troop of actors working together who make movie magic.
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There's a reason why 300 received no nominations. It was a piece of crap.
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Shit!
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to show their decision to nominate that for an Oscar. Will it be the part where he lifts his fat rolls to show his bathing suit bottem, or the scene where he sings the pussy cat dolls? Thanks for the class!
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Fuck off. This film is not memorable. smart or funny. Just because a bunch of people who live in Hollywood think this is realistic because they don't live in reality and namedropping the melvins and sonic youth does not make you smart. Fuck. I guess a film where I mention isis, neurosis and a band like the ocean will get me more than an oscar, it will give me a nomination for a holy grail.
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so Tekkon Kinkreet got shortlisted but was shafted in favor of "Surf's Up?" Someone explain the logic to me.
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That's what the SAGs are for. There's already enough stargazing at these things... remember when they had the "secondary" categories (editing, sound, etc.) accept their awards IN THE AISLE?
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Did you see that program With Manchan Magann, where he spent a month going up and down the country, trying to engage people in speaking Irish. Adults dont speak it because it reminds them of the way ireland use to be, kids on the other hand are using text as way of learning the lingo and rap.
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Ohh but this is the awards ceremony that didn't nominate Children of Men and Alfonso Cuaron and the one where Ordinary People beat Raging Bull. Alot of credibility. Fuck You.
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You must be a very boring person in real life.
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Dude, I couldn't stand the parts in Juno when she was talking about the bands she likes. Seriously, who gives a fuck that some fictional character LOVES the stooges. That isn't good writing
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That was easily my favorite flick of 2007, but since it came out so early in the year, it barely gets remembered. Christian Bale deserved the nod more than George fucking Clooney.
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Here's hoping that Beadie gets some Oscar love (and maybe go nude in some art house flick).
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don't get me wrong, the cinematography for Assassination of Jesse James was brilliant and Deakins should win but for no country for old men????? What? Even he said it was simple and washed out to appear real. There's nothing special or anything about it. it's standard drama fare.
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"There Will Be Blood" for the win!
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Dude rocked.
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Naw its not fact, thought it seems like it. 300 was the movie to make comic books a legitimate source for movies, it was well recieved by the critics and made a ton of money. And it was different then any other comic book movie ever made. I still blame Meet the Spartans for no 300 love. I guess you could change comic book to graphic novel or new/non marvel or DC comic book?? Because Spiderman/Superman/Batman/X-men are all comic books as well.
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I think it's an important part of Irish heritage and history, and it is our first official language after all.
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finally getting some respect for an incredible performance. Best performance I saw last year, haven't seen "Blood" yet though.
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They are called Visual Effects.
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Jan 22, 2008 9:30:03 AM CST
VADAKIN AND EMERALD - THANKS FOR GIVING US MICHAEL FLATLEY
by bringingsexyback
I kneel upon the altar of the Lord of the Dance.
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The rest I couldn't care less about, although I was surprised to see Hal Holbrook still alive.
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playing dramatic and angry George Clooney. These awards are failed.
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why are people blaming meet the spartans as the reason why 300 didn't get any nods? Im confused.
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He was easily the best supporting actor last year in This is England. better than all the nominees. Even Bardem.
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I think we should all make a pact to go to our local theatres and slap upside the head anybody that buys a ticket for that movie. Thank God it's finally open, because now I only have about 2 more weeks of seeing that trailer on TV every 2 seconds before it's out of theatres.
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Fucking Hell. Jason Reitman over David Fincher and Andrew Dominick. Who the fuck are these members?
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Actually, Superman The Movie was the movie to make comic books a legit source for movies.
Regarding 300 though, aside from VFX, I don't think it deserved nominations. It's pretty standard popcorn action, with overused slo-mo, a script that was lifted straight from the comic, and not suitable for movies, telling the story in soundbytes and catchphrases rather than well thought out dialogue
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I hear all this talk about hilarious. i chuckled maybe twice. YOU KNOW WHAT HILARIOUS IS! Naked Gun. That is what I think of when i think Hilarious. not some teenage pregnancy comedy drama that is smart because they mention the melvins.
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Wow, my most-hated movie of the year "Juno" got a best pic nom, while "Sweeney Todd", my favorite of the year, got a bunch of pats on the head in the arty categories. I hope the Writers are still on strike for the Oscars, they deserve to be ignored. At least Depp got a nod.
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Actually, Flatley is american :P
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Could you imagine if it won best picture? There would be riots in here
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you were giving me shit in the other thread but you think Juno is better than Zodiac. You are a dumb fuck.
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Because they've been playing that fucking annoying trailer all over TV for the past month or so, and Oscar voters are not too bright. So they probably thought that 300 was meet the spartans and saw that it was dumb.
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Stephen Graham in This is England and Bale in Rescue Dawn were better than both you mentioned. I understand Bale not being Nominated. he is a cosmic actor. but Stephen graham owned both.
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eli roth is making TRAILER TRASH, which is just a bunch of fake trailers put together for like 90s min. yeah...
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. This is the awards ceremony that gave an award to Three 6 mafia and CHER!!! before giving one to Scorsese. Scorsese finally won one in 2007 and he wasn't even the best director for that season.
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Not up for screenplay? Three of the 'Best Film' noms are above average at best;Jesse James getting little to no love at all;Bourne deserves the editing Oscar just for managing to get it to make the sense it did. Oh and 300 was shit, hence it's not being nominated for anything.
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guess he figures that know he really doesn't need plot, because the only thing people liked of his stuff was the Thanksgiving trailer
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That's a bit of an exaggeration. You are putting Chris Cooper's performance against Deniro in Raging Bull, Day Lewis in My Left Foot and Bale is everything.
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you must be one boring motherfucker. Talkback Superstar messi says so.
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I saw it
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a barely "animated" lazy adaptation of an already lazy and superficial comic book (oops sorry, "graphic novel") dubbed by stoned and/or bored to death actors duped by the "relevance" of the plot... It's still better than Bee Movie but c'mon...
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WTF why was this awesome movie neglected? what. the. hell.
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you guys didn't even like the fight scenes? are you not entertained?
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against Ray Winstone against Peter Cullen for Optimus. That's some badass voices in 2007 if you think about it.
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Yeah I am not saying 300 is the best movie ever (Sin City is way better), but come on, you fucking give visual effects and Art Direction to Golden Comapass those two easily could have gone to 300.
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"and so began the war" heaviest most powerful sounding line. Ahhh my heart stopped.
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Hands down the worst most overcharging company there is. Their effects aren't even up to Fellowship standard and that was 2001. AND THEY WANT THEM FOR JUSTICE LEAGUE! WTF!
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Julie Kavner for Marge Simpson...her best berformance in that role in the history of the Simsons...especially the video message to Homer.
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Jan 22, 2008 9:48:32 AM CST
There was a big mess in foreign language film this year
by cherryvalance
Those noms actually come out early and when they did everyone flipped out. My favorite Lust, Caution wasn't considered because Taiwan tried to submit it, but they said there weren't enough Taiwanese people working on it or some shit. I forgot the reason why '4 Months...' didn't make it but it was more nonsense. Supposedly people are so outraged, they're gonna try to change the rules.
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Jan 22, 2008 9:49:41 AM CST
No KING OF KONG!!!??? I hope the Strike goes on u bastards!
by orionsangels
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40 year old virgin actually made me laugh and the dialogue was actually realistic.
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They did the Spidey and Superman effects, neither of which were were mediocre at best. The reality is, you've got to go to ILM or WETA to get quality effects these days.
Speaking of Sony Imageworks though...remember the cgi Justice League rumour that hit IESB a few months ago? I started that rumour. I made it up and sent it into IESB - and they ran it despite me being an untested and unproven source. What's the lesson here? IESB will run any old shit. -
She just does...
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WTF. No Best Makeup Oscar nod for this film? Did you guys not see the KRUGG? What the fuck people. Best makeup of the year by far, and probably best makeup in a fantasy film hands down. It's amazing how far makeup technology has progressed since the Lord of the Rings films came out. Say what you want about the shitty script, actors and whatever else, but COME ON. The Krugg deserve this best makeup nod. If nothing else, think how badass they are, I mean, they fucking pick themselves up and sit in catapult, light themselves on fire, and then launch themselves. DAMN that was AWESOME.
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nothign special? standard action fare? wtf? ok if you didn't like it but most people say it was groundbreaking. nothing has been done like it before. leonidas versus the 20 guys. you see that in most action movies? that is brilliant filmmaking in the action scenes. that makes it not sub standard.
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Jan 22, 2008 9:53:36 AM CST
That's true, 300 for Visuals. The whole movie was a special effe
by orionsangels
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I am outraged.
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Now I know somebody was getting cash under the table. I have to agree with the earlier posting about Christian Bale. He got totally dissed by the blowhards this year. Where's the best yell nominations this year? I'd have to say it's between "THIS IS SPARTA!" and "I AM BEOWULF!" Any other nominations?
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she hates anything even close to horror, but she just laughed when she saw this, and that was why I told her that the movie was NOT scary, when all her friends said it gave them nightmares
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that you can't release a movie before Fall and expect any significant award consideration.
What a joke. Juno? C'mon! That's a decent movie, but nowhere near as deserving as Zodiac.
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He'll get a career Oscar twenty years from now at least.
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Sin City did it first - and better.
And yes, watch any "epic battle" movie and you will see single heroes taking on multiple opponents (Lord of the Rings comes to mind). Again, bothing new.
The dialogue was awful. Nothing but soundbytes and catchphrases, that may have worked in the comic because of the nature of the medium, but for a movie, it was nothing more than guys screaming these catchphrases every few minutes.
I didn't say the action was sub standard. I said it was standard popcorn movie stuff, though if anything, it suffers because of the overuse of slo-mo.
300 is a popcorn action movie in the truest sense of the word...it's a comic book version of Rambo...you don't watch a Rambo movie to learn about the characters internal angst...you watch it to see the shit hit the fan, so you can cheer and shout as the blood flies. 300 was no different.
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didn't burton win a couple for Art direction in the past? I'm pretty certain Sleepy Hollow won.
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not bothing new...this place needs an edit button
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Jan 22, 2008 10:03:19 AM CST
Best Music - Original Song: 3 noms for Enchanted???
by elirothjustfuckingdiealready001
tell me that's a big fuckin' mistake!
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Jan 22, 2008 10:03:41 AM CST
the nods this year are all ok, but it's still the same every yea
by jig98
good to see my favorite of 07, ratatouille, get some goods. i'm surprised that surf's up, norbit, bourne ultamatum and the golden compass get some nods, seeing is how they were all average. i agree that 3:10 to yuma, sweeney todd, transformers and american gangster are all expected and should've gotten more love than they did because they were all very well done. zodiac and 300 got the shaft though but also once again they weren't perfect and they came out way too early in the year. also, why the fuck did enchanted get 3 song nods? they all sucked. and norbit's makeup nod completly caught me off guard. i'm rooting for juno and no cuntry to sweep. i just hope they actually AIR the show.
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The man deserves best actor for his stunning work in Eastern Promises.
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unfortunately you may think it's a rumour, i found out it's true.
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because everyone seemed to love that piece of shit
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Is because the effects were all digital mattes and costume/make-up effects. Those sorts of effects are subtle, and hardly revolutionary or awe-inspiring. Sure, 300's world looked great, but were the effects really better than TF, POTC, or Golden Compass?
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Because I'm the guy who started the rumour. Hopefully JLA gets cancelled altogether though.
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certainly not the same *direction*. The fight scenes are indeed exceptional: the way the camera moves, the handling of space and perspectie... you won't find any of this in Sin City.
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It just got a massive sympathy vote.
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Jan 22, 2008 10:11:07 AM CST
Ellen Page for Most Annoying, Smartassy, Detached, Wise Beyond H
by stifler's mom
And where the hell is Eddie Vedder?? 3 Enchanted songs and no Into the Wild??? Soooo Gay.
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I know sin city did it first but what it did was open up completely new possibilities of filmmaking. Plus it wasn't standard fare. Leonidas taking on the 20 guys at the start of the battle, and the Iron Maiden guy and the Captain's son taking on everyone. never seen it before and it was shot, photographed, choreographed, mixed, edited all perfectly. If those two scenes were put on youtube and the movie didn't exist, people would die by drainage of balls by whacking off too hard.
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Even my wife couldn't finish it, she fucking hated it
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300 was a movie. You cannot say that if you put segments of it on youtube then... as youtube has much, much lower standards than film should.
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Yes. you understand me. it might be that vadakin sees things from a viewers perspective. i see things from a filmmaker's perspective and the fights are some of the best directed action scenes i've ever seen, and sometimes that is far harder to get something that just stops your heart than it is to get a slow moving scene in a drama.
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Transformer's "kick-ass" scene was the sight of Optimus Transforming. The amount of time it must have taken to generate that image is truly awe-inspiring. POTC's great scene is the sight of two ships sailing in the maelstrom, all the while sea-zombies, and one monkey cannon, are flailing about. Again, an excellent scene. Can 300 really lay claim to something as equally stunning in the effects department? Oh sure, 300's direction, choreography, and imagery is something special, but there really arent any "holy shit, how did they do that?" moments.I can't comment on Golden Compass because I've never seen it (and never will, either).
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As a crew member of Juno, it's funny to see so many of you rip apart a movie that was made in true indie spirit. It was, by far, the lowest budget film of the other oscar nominees. It's a simple film that tells a certain story well without all the bells and whistles. After working mostly on large budget comic book movies, it was a pleasure to work on something as intimate as 'Juno'. A film not made by a bunch of suits, but instead, by a bunch of twentysomethings who love what they do. I'm glad to see them being rewarded for it. Hate it if you want, but, I don't see many of you making your own movies.
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me and the wife saw it on a plane (fucking captive audience). Both of us ended up harrassing the stewardess for more drink to try to numb the pain.
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I think the slo-mo actually ruined the action.
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Are you serious? Were the special effects in 300 better then Golden Compass? The fucking Coca Cola Commercials have better special effects then Golden Compass! That movie looked and was horrible.
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what do you mean without all the bells and whistles? The movie relied on a very gimmicky script. It wasn't a horrible movie, but it also doesn't deserve an oscar nod. What really makes it so special?
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Isn't the ceremony for films released in 2007?
Or does it run as a year from oscar ceremony to oscar ceremony?
I just don't get how Sweeney Todd can get nominations - I'm sure it deserves them - but can someone clarify?
Also, Ratatouille deserves nothing - it was a rancid pile of turd.
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How the hell does Surf's Up get a nomination at the expense of Beowulf???
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Holy shit. I heard that movie was terrible even though I couldn't get it anyway but if that happens where people set themselves on fire and launch themselves in a catapult. Fuck. That is the most awesome thing I have ever heard.
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but I know when I see a kickass, never-seen-before direction. I got a boner.
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I know the feeling man. That's how I had to endure the pain of Evita, when I flew to London
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Special effects are physical. Visual effects are with computers.
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Well..actually a screenwriters perspective and as a writer, I look at more than just the number of heads cut off and the amount of blood.
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And no Joe Wright for best director?
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He has to never be nominated. he just proves what a farce these awards are. How can an actor respected by people who actually know movies never be nominated? History wins. Oscars do not. Did Kubrick ever win anything?
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If you had read my pos, I stated that I had never seen Golden compass and cannot comment. Still, were I to vacate the spot of golden compass, there are at least two other films with effects superior to 300. Spiderman 3, Die Hard 4, and I'm quite sure a few more, too.
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If you had read my pos, I stated that I had never seen Golden compass and cannot comment. Still, were I to vacate the spot of golden compass, there are at least two other films with effects superior to 300. Spiderman 3, Die Hard 4, and I'm quite sure a few more, too.
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Well Bourne Ultimatum was on the shortlist, so who the fuck knows what these people are voting for.
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I guess if you like watching a video game. I was never fully impressed by the effects in those movies. Esp with the budget they had
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SNUBBED LIKE HITCHCOCK!
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No it's not a comparison or an analogy, it's a thought. That people say it was standard or shitty yet contained some brilliant action sequences. That alot of people see movies as whole, yet I can see snippets and watch them over and over again. That's the difference since I see things as a filmmaker and why i'm able to enjoy many movies and not enjoy movies like Juno.
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Okay, the fact that someone said, "it may be this year's Little Miss Sunshine" is retarded. That is a retarded statement. The movie is obviously not worthy of best picture, it is simply a calculated movie for future marketing and advertising of such films. Overrated.
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this hovering plane is straight out of Metal Gear Solid 2. And it shows.
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Jan 22, 2008 10:22:32 AM CST
As a crew member of Juno, it's funny to see so many of you rip a
by rainbowtrout1265
Honest to blog?
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Generally has a snowball's chance at getting nominated.
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just fantastic!If shit like Transformers or Pirates gets nominated then 300 deserves 10 nominations,because it was ten times better then the other two movies.
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AMAZING EXPERIENCE! how could this not get some recognition?
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It's my popcorn guilty pleasure movie...not cinematic genius but dammit it's a fun film to watch. I feel the same way about 300...it's light on well-written dialogue and character, but heavy on action...it's a fun movie and certainly deserves an effects nomination...and maybe score, but that's it.
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But the point is that it was a visual effect that was exececuted better and required more time and skill to create than any effect in 300. 300's claim to fame in the effects department is a bunch of digital mattes that envoke an off-color beach and mountain side and a cgi cartoon elepheant and rhino. Nothing that special, spence.
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As an audience member watching Juno, it's funny to see you defending it. I don't give a shit if you loved it or whatever, but movies shouldn't be rewarded because the crew loves what they do. best Picture means best fucking picture. and just like Last year where Little Miss Sunshine took a spot that just might have belonged to Children of Men(though it seems unfair if you even put Children of Men in that cateogory), Juno stole the spot from Assasination of Jesse James or Zodiac.
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and when Clooney speaks, it's always in a mumble that sounds like he has day-old oatmeal left in his mouth.
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Are they really that good?
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Yeah I was typing that as you were posting your thing about not seeing it. Yeah I know in the end it doesn't matter because Transformers is going to win, since it made a lot of money, Micheal Bay got enough to pay for another Oscar. Transformers deserves it, but still fucking Micheal Bay wanted to make a human movie...... then why use a series which only has like 3 humans in it? Its just the point, if 300 got some noms in there studios would be willing to shill out some more cash for more ambitious projects, because lets face it Comic/Graphic novel movies will need more and more money (even though 300 i guess was not that expensive). But now studios will see that while Golden Compass bombed in USA it got some Oscar nods, lets make another one, or another kiddie epic. At least Narnia look good.
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I mean, more than usual.
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It's nto about how many he took on, it's not the context(see you still don't get it), you do realize Film is visual, and there are different type sof visual films. Alot of filmmakers direct shots specifically and frame sequences and time sequences specifically to look 'good'. That whole scene was designed for you to go "holy fuck that was awesome". It looks cool. That's the point.
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at least it looked like an elephant. Look at the effects on Sandman (other than the birth scene) they are so cartoony, and black suit spidey, I mean fake as shit
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What I mean is, 'Juno' is devoid of a lot of the standard filmmaking tools used now. CGI, Crane shots (i think we used one, a small jib arm), major movie stars, and constantly moving cameras. I'm glad Reitman was nominated. If you've seen his short films, commercials, or 'Smoking', you know he can make as glossy a product as anyone. But, his controlled direction on 'Juno' stayed within the context of the story. There was no need to make it a big, splashy film. He put his ego aside and allowed the actors and script to shine. That's good directing.
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Where the hell did that Foreign Language category come from?!
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Its a brilliant musical, only because the music is so great!
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See you see things from narrative. But I can sit down and watch the fight scenes from 300 and enjoy them(since that's why you go to film, to pass time, be entertained etc if you bring it down to a cosmic level), but bring up a better made film like atonement that fits into more 'quality' cinema, can you put that in your dvd player and watch a scene over and over and have a good time. Seems you lost that point of view you had as a kid. i remember being a kid and watching the death star sequence over and over again because it was cool.
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my comment wasn't about the aircraft model, more about the CGI quality... 300 is coherent and homogenous in its art direction and visual effects, while Die Hard 4 contains good live-action stunts, poor scale-models work and blurry CGI.
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King of Kong being left off of best documentary is a huge mistake. It was the best documentary of the year by a longshot. You almost got it this year Academy...almost.
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It was good and I liked it. It should win Best Original Screenplay. And if Ellen Page wins, I will not be upset.
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You say "Call me a bigget or a shovinist." I will instead call you illiterate; you misspelled both words, dummy.
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I completely agree with you all about the crummy effects of Spiderman, the less-than original Die Hard 4 jet, and the fact that the golden compass looked like a coca cola commercial! BUT, you all have to agree that 300's effects were entirely matte-based, with the exception of a couple of cartoony (though intentional) cgi animals.You guys are confusing excellent visual direction, which 300 had in spades, with visual EFFECTS, which were not as spectacular in terms of development or detail as some of the other effects movies this year. That is all I'm saying.
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i cannot believe people are stupid enough to use them for the substandard work they do and the amount they charge. They are still far behind Fellowship quality yet they are happy to charge more than Weta. Ridiculous. Worst Digital character animation in major movies.
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what about the cartoon credits, or the listing of what season it is? Just because you use static shots doesn't mean its amazing. Kevin Smith does that shit too. I know you have to be partial to it because you worked on it, but as an outsider, I think the movie was ok, not good, not great, def not best picture. I actually think it was kind of shallow and pointless. There was character growth shown in 30 seconds. It relied on using the same songs over and over and then having us watch the characters sing one of the songs. The title character should have at least learned something in the movie. But nope, "let's make out Bleeker, maybe we can fuck again soon, thank God I didn't learn anything"
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I don't know. I haven't seen ASSASSINATION OF JESSE JAMES BY THE COWARD ROBERT FORD but I did see Zodiac and thought it was better than Juno.
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... more noms. ESPECIALLY for Best Adapted Screenplay.I know the Best Supporting Actor category was stacked this year, but I think Casey Affleck should have gotten Best Actor Nom for Gone Baby gone and ED HARRIS, the always underrated Ed Harris should have gotten a nom for Gone Baby Gone in the Supporting character.Of all the movies I've seen this year, Gone Baby Gone is definately in my top-5. No. 1? Either Ratatouille or Juno.
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HOLLYWOOD KEEPS IT IN THE FAMILY, JUNO is going to get a backlash because of this. Sorry folks, the film has brilliant dialog, that can really only be appreciated in the moment.
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I've seen KING OF KONG 5 times and I'm excited to see it again. It never gets old. I know almost every line. I really adore this film. Maybe because I'm a 35 year old gamers and relate to these guys? I dunno, but this movie really tickles my soul. Why Oscar overlooked it I'll never know. The Globes nominated it. I mean it's not like it was an obsecure documentary.
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Give Michael Moore the OSCAR! Time to trash BUSH again!!
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"that's one doodle that can't be undid homeskillet." that's all I have to say about that
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Back in 99, Star Wars: Episode 1 was out and it contained the greatest effects we had ever seen up to that point. However, the most effective effect in terms of DIRECTION was that plastic bag in American Beauty. Again, obviously, the effects in Star Wars were superior, bu that plastic bag was more effective in its direction. That, I think, is where the academy makes the distinction, at least this year, anyway.
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It was way too long, and meandered quite a bit. Kind of like the case itself...wait.
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Should have at least got a nod for 'Best Animated Feature'. The 'actors' were almost life-like in some of the scenes :)
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Medicine is better in Cuba, lmao!
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Those guys had a mountain of cash to fund Spidey 2 and 3 and yet all the effects looked as bad as the original, with very, very little improvement.
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As a Crewmember of Juno, exeactly how many virgins/animals did Jason Reitman Judd Aptow and the Heads of Fox Searchlight have to sacrafice to Allah in order to get the kind of recognigtion it got? True "Indy Spirit" I am pretty sure every indie movie that comes out gets to slap on the name of a whatever name director is hot at the moment in order to give it that little extra kick of indy flavor? I am also pretty sure, in sticking with that indie spirit, getting the son of a big time director (who obviously has no gain from his name, nor any advantage) helps to keep that indie vibe? SO I guess what you are saying, as long as your movie is cheap to make its an indie? No longer will indies be made up of an unknown cast, or shown in 4 theaters. I guess Fox Searchlight is an indie making machine. I mean look at those tiny indie movies Sunshine and Daywatch that were made with the TRUE indie spirit. You make it sound like Juno was just a bunch of buddies makeing a movie? I guess useing a case a already really rich people didn't help at all in getting some funding for the film.
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It had better sweep its categories, the film is amazing...the score is brilliant!
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that's a valid opinion, but given than 300 is the least expensive of the nominees, it has some amazing "invisible" effects (enhanced camera work, transitions from CGI to live action) it's not an imposture to get nominated.
Besides, your assumption that because it's mainly matte paintings (which is wrong, but still) it's not worthy of the CGI-heavy POTC and SPidey 3 reminds me of the TRON controversy, only inverted: because it's not state-of-the-art, tech-heavy CGI fest it's not worthy to win? I disagree. I'm not the kind of guy to piss on good CGI (as some reactionary people seem to be, bashing anything CGI) but between blurry optimus, Baldy McClane surfing on an ugly XBox jet and 300... I choose 300 hands down. -
I love a good action scene as much as anyone...and yeah the trench run is one of the most fun sequences in movie history. But...take transformers for example...that movie had a terrible script and was nothing but cgi eye-candy. And yes people loved it. But I didn't. Sure the action was cool, but it was also empty (and made so sense..stupid plot holes) in terms of substance.
What bugs me about these kinds of fils is that there is no balance...the filmmaker tends to choose either visually cool stuff or story...never both. And I don't know why. Why not have both?
Look at Star Wars. Yes the Death Star sequence was fun...but it also had a context. There was a story behind it, you knew who these characters were. Why do people still watch A New Hope? The effects are severely dated, but it has a strong story and characters to back it up. It's my favourite movie, because it's both fun and engaging.
But if you want to talk about 300 and put everything but the visuals aside, again I have to disagree...the direction, the choice of shots etc was ok...but as I've already said, the constant use of slow motion in attempt to give it a "cool" style only served to take away fom the action. A lot of the techniques used were done in the Matrix (and utilised better back then in my opinion).
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Harry shut up. Seriously dude. Until you know what you're talking about.
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Maybe he could have said stuff like "We need to catch that Zodiac duder like Chaka from land of the lost, pan-fryer"
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The Matrix for using the same effects in that Lost in Space movie. Bullet time, so by all rights Lost in Space from 98 should have one won best visuals.
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How is it retarded. Last year a film like Little Miss Sunshine got nominated instead of CHILDREN OF FUCKING MEN, The Fountain, The Prestige and United 93. This year Juno got nominated instead of THE ASSASINATION OF MOTHERFUCKING JESSE JAMES, Zodiac, This is England. There you go. You are retarded.
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These Hollywood left wingers stick close together. He shoved 1000 dollar bills in their suit pockets. Hey make sure Michael Clayton and I get nominated
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Cause, as far as I can tell, 300's effects were masterfully directed/handled as opposed to the blurry use of effects in the other films. Also, while I do agree that the mattes used in 300 were truly something special, I'm just saying that that sort of effect is subtle in comparison to the in-your-face Bay technique, which gets more attention, and thusly, more nomination.
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by far!
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Atonement was a better made and engrossing film than Juno. Plus it wasn't pretentious. What kind of Pretentious film bases the demise of the main characters on the word CUNT. Fuck me. best use of the word cunt ever. For that it is higher than Juno.
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Yeah, I know that Matrix got the best visuals, but the REALITY is that Star Wars's visuals were the best that year--I dont care what the academy members were smoking. Personally, I think they gave it to Matrix because it actually came out on dvd just a scant few weeks before nomination time, where as Star Wars was on video-cassette for at least a couple years.
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I think 300 is too far in one direction while the Bourne movies are too far in the other.
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Sweeney gets screwed (apart from a Depp and a couple of technical nods) and Surf's Up gets a nomination over The Simpsons Movie? Anyone who thinks this makes any sense please explain it to me.
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Yeah I know I suck at spelling, but this isn't fucking grammar class. Plus I am at work and don't have time to spell check. That and I really don't care. I am posting to an online thread?
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Razzie and Oscar in the same year, has it been done before?
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Wes Anderson called, he wants his style back. Sean Penn was robbed.
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Oh wait, it's Best Editing? Hmmm, I'll get back to you on this one.
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But the effects of the podrace scene trounced bullet-time hands down.
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ridiculous.
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Are you smoking something??? That thing was just the tv animation with shadows! That's it!
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You made the comparison, and it's a bad one. Simply put (and I like 300) If I saw 300 effects on Youtube I would be absolutely fucking amazed. Seeing it on the Big Screen, especially ater Sin City- I was impressed, just not as much.
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Phantom Menace had some of the WORST effects I've ever seen! Horrible, horrible stuff. Even at the time. At least the Matrix looked like real stuff. Look at the underwater scene in PM I mean, that is just total shit
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Before the Gaytrix
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Like I said you see things differently. but I can watch action scenes in Transformers over and over again. I'm not talking about context in 300 i'm talking about how cool it looks and how much you enjoy it, it's like a cool riff in a song, that you can hear over and over again because it just sounds good.
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from any of the year end awards. I don't know why. I thought it was one of the best too. I thought Ben Affleck deserved recognition as well.
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Umm...last I checked it sucked.
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Matrix won that year because of bullet time. Simple as that. Of course bullet time wasn't actually a new thing. Lucas had even considered doing something similar for the saber duels, but decided to shoot it "normally" because it would have looked too different from the originals.
Plus, love him or hate him, Jar Jar was pretty revolutionary...moreso than the Matrix effects. Jar Jar and Watto lead to Gollum and ultimately Davy Jones and Optimus. (Both done by ILM, while Gollum was done by WETA).
In terms of the advancement of visual effects, the most hated Star Wars character ever is actually the most important and ILM deserved the Oscar for that alone...but it was given to Matrix. -
IS this who J Greenwood used?
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but daniel day lewis has had a hell of a career. i was so blown away from his butcher charector in the excellent scorsese 02 pic the gangs of new york, and also the last of the mohecians was good too. would be nice though if johnny depp or possibly clooney upset. i doubt it because all of these charectors or real life depicted people in movies today are all actor roles.
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That discredits anyone who has ever been involved with the Academy Awards. EVER. And Zodiac was fucking robbed. And seriously, Michael Clayton??? It was nothing special, at all.
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It's not the effects. It's the scenes. Imagine a world where 300 didn't exist, but some dude films that one action sequence with the Iron maiden guy and the captain's son. it would blow people's balls, it did mine.
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When all the Matrix can give me is Lost in Space spider-things that look like Phil Tippet screen tests and a camera trick (see bullet time), then no, its effects will not be superior to Ep 1. Sure, Star Wars, like all effects movie, will have a few scenes that are spotty, but Matrix had NO great cgi effect. Just Budweiser bullet-time...
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Thas right, him and Gandalf are going at it wizard style!
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As I already said, even just taking those scenes on their own and forgetting about dialogue and context and all that, I still disagree.
You talk about shot direction and how the action was visually cool, but as I said, for me, the slo-mo ruined that. If the slo mo technique had been used less often, instead of every single scene, I might have agreed with you. -
how about the helicopter into the building?
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Jan 22, 2008 10:58:44 AM CST
next year, they need to introduce best voice-over in an animated
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should've done it 3 years ago instead of that stupid nominees on stage shit.
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Pearl Jam.
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Amy Ryan will probably win, and Casey Affleck will probably win for Jesse James.
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I hate Jar Jar just as much as the next Star Wars fan, but the effects of Jar Jar was far more ambitious than anything in Matrix, to say nothing of the sheer scale, scope, and detail of the Star Wars effects. Matrix didn't have anything like that, and as far as I'm concerned, the robot cgi looked like 80s go-motion.
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depp doing a singing/mad version of his pirate? Cloondawg doing... well cloondawg? DDL has had a hell of a career because he is an amazing actor. Go watch My Left foot, Clooney and Depp don't commit 1/4 that much to their acting. Depp used to, but now he thinks putting on a fake accent is acting.
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She'd win hands down for Marge if there had been a best voice actor category.
That scene with the video message to Homer was heart wenching, especially for someone who grew up with The Simpsons, like I did.
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That would be my pick if he hadn't won it a couple of times already, which may work against him.
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Best Original Song.
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She could take it, she's been a perennial favorite.
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Whatever, Jack's won it multiple times for some of his lesser work.
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and deffinitely the best effect in the film, was simply not as spectacular as the pod racers flying apart in mid-air. Hell, you dont even see the helicopter fly apart in little bits as it hits the ground. You just see a helicopter fly into a window, and then the whole scene is blocked by waves of glass so as to obscure what would be an otherwise time-consuming and horribly expensive scene.
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Winning for As good as it gets as apposed to loseing for About Schmidt.
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DDL, Jack and Cage all had much better performances then the friend of a baby raper Brody. My grandma was imprisoned for being married to a jew in Germany and even she thought the Pianist was bad.
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And it still holds up pretty well today. Whereas a lot of the Matrix vfx work as aged pretty badly.
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...2nd Best Sequence of the film, the best being the baptism....god, that movie is amazing.
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my main complaint about the way 300 got shafted is that Oscars usually contextualize everything: even if Sean Penn gave an amazing performance as the baddie in The Brazilian Job, he wouldn't get nominated because... well, it's The Brazilian Job. It's the same with the VFX: they should give the oscar to the movie that combines the best effects possible on the best flick possible. 300 was by far the better film (and more meaningful - even if it's not Shakespeare) out of the shortlist of preliminary nominations. Hence my grudge against the academy
As for the slo-mo in 300 I respectfully disagree. It's not your usual John Woo rip-off, it was more like a meaningful take on the long Old Boy travelling, and really transcended the nature of the source material in my humble opinion. -
What effects house did Matrix use, anyway? I'll still never forget how cheap and blatantly obvious the multiple smith fight was in Reloaded. It was as though the artists were highlighting the change between real neo and cgi.
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I don't see any bad choices on the acting front! Where is Harris Savides for cinematography (Zodiac!!)?? The Bourne Ultimatum should win for best editing, in my opinion. Ratatouille for score. Transformers for VFX. But still, Oscars suck and I haven't watched them ever since A Beautiful Mind won. Boo. Hiss!
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One year, Springsteen's unremarkable song from "Philadelphia" won the Oscar over Neil Young's BRILLIANT song from the same movie. Years later, Randy Newman (the Susan Lucci of the Oscars) had a great song in "Toy Story 2" called "When Somebody Loved Me". Beautiful song. What song won that year? Some piece of garbage by Phil Collins called "You'll Be In My Heart" from "Disney's Tarzan". I don't think the voters even give a shit anymore, if they ever did.
Although, I gotta admit to laughing a bit when Barbra Streisand had to read out Eminem's name as the Best Song winner for "Lose It" from "8 Mile" (or whatever that song was). You could almost see her holding back her gag reflex.
I'm no fan of rap music and I truly don't understand how Eminem and, later, Three 6 Mafia could win a fucking OSCAR for those songs. The field of entries for Best Song is so small anyway that it seems ridiculous to even have the category in the first place. "Best Animated Feature" has a small field too, but at least those are MOVIES.
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I've found myself nodding to all his posts. Good job, man, Children of Men was indeed the best movie of 2006
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I can see why others would, however. At any other time, 300's use of slow motion would have been deemed okay, but after PJ's over reliance with Return of The King and King Kong, a lot of people have gotten burnt out on that sort of thing.
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In the context of the film, the 3-6-Mafia song is amazing...it was so fresh, it sounded like hip hop yet to be released on the radio....
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Other then that, pretty good list! Give Ratatouille the stuff, Michael Giacchino finally recognized! 3 times Alan Menken song. Disney is back in Academy shape, no? Now, you guys really overreact to the Norbit thing. The make up fx where very well done and deserve the recognition. The film it self was quite horrible, but that doesn't mean the make up artist great work can't get nominated? They deserve it. Bourne, easily best edited film in that list.
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They're the guys who did the "virtual human" work on the Matrix sequels. Not sure who did the work on the first film though.
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With everyone who said 300 was a steaming pile of anachronistic bullshit for latent-homo mountain dew addicted 13 year olds. It was so stupid I could feel my brain leaking out of my ears and I had to stop it 3 times because I kept falling asleep. If I want to see crap like that I can just watch the opening animations of any of a hundred video games. The nominations are always bullshit, without fail, I don't know why anyone is surprised. Feel free to flame me, it's cold out.
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My problem with it is that they used it too much...in every single action scene...heck there's a few shots where Leonidis is just walking where they use it. It was just too much.
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king of kong? and the soundtrack to the fountain?
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The power of Entertainment Weekly proves itself once again! They do a write up on Mr. Holbrook, and viola, he gets a nomination. Same thing happened last year with Jackie Earle Haley.
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Though expensive, I honestly felt at the time that those guys should have gone with ILM. Sure, now there is Weta to choose from, but those guys are great because of the obvious ILM influence. Outside of those two effects houses, no one possesses the same eye for detail and work ethic when it comes to visual effects, in my opinion.
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Are you telling me transformers should not have been nominated in the sound categories and visual effects category. Fucking hell some cunce are just non objective and completely fucking stupid.
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Sure, in recent years WETA has really come on strong...but ILM's work is second to none in my opinion.
But even if the Matrix guys wanted to go with ILM, Lucas had his best guys working on Star Wars, and WETA wasn't really established as a top class effects house yet.
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This is a geek site, don't make me go elsewhere.
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How in the name of all that is holy did Surf's Up get nominated and NOT BEOWULF?? I know, I know--I already asked this, right? Well, I feel the need to repeat myself becuase this is such a glaringly obvious omission that I cannot help but feel its a snub of some sort. I still think Persepolis will win this year, if for no other reason than that it was released just a month ago and is still fresh in the minds of viewers. Its political, fresh, and empowers women, ergo, it will win.
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watched it 2 days ago and thought,holly shit it looks good!It seems some of you guys cant get over the Fact that Matrix was the BIG thing in 99 while most people to this day laugh at Episode 1(I like EP1).And Episode one had much more sfx people working on it.The Matrix had a small group of sfx guys led by John Gaeta who did some new shit(far more edgy and cool looking sfx then Episode 1).Thats all,thank you.
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God you still don't get it, again you look at the whole thing. "the action wasn't that good because the film used too much slow mo" I"M TALKING ABOUT THOSE 2 FUCKING SCENES! FUCK! You don't have to look at the whole film.
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Yup, I totally agree 100 percent. ILM is obviously still the effects master, and as I said earlier, at the time that Reloaded was being filmed, they should have just gone with ILM. Yeah, ILM was devoted to Star Wars, but I'm sure they had room on their plate for other features. You're telling me they would pass up working on a matrix sequel in favor of animating The Hulk? No, the creators of Matrix wanted to go the "cheap yet servicable" route and it showed.
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Bullet time had been seen before and rather than trying to create awesome effects, they relied on tricks to hide the flaws (such as falling glass and bullets as moondoggy mentioned), whereas Phantom Menace had everything out in the open for all to see.
jar jar was trully revolutionary. While there had been cgi characters before him, they were never right in front of the camera as main characters.
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I mean, DENZEL WASHINGTON!!!
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the fight against the immortals for example..all slow-mo. Really ruined that scene for me...and yes the rest of the movie had it too, but you want to talk about that scene, and in my opinion, the use of slo mo ruined it.
If you like it, that's fine, I'm not here to change opinions, I'm just expressing how I feel about it, the same as you are. -
Now this is where you fail and I see that your opinions are just baseless. Weta has more computer power and better animators, it's just fact. King Kong is so far the greatest CGI achievement there is. There is nothing more complicated than the organic photorealism of Kong. and that was 2005, ILM had ROTS and the digital character work was sloppy and there was alot fo errors and doesn't come close to Weta.
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Uhh, all of the cgi work in the orginal matrix, while servicable, show none of the detail or texturing, or fluid movement for that matter, of the cgi work in Phantom Menace. Its like comparing spiderman 3 to Transformers--there simply is too much visual evidence to refute that statement. If you can't tell the difference, then you are either subjective or you really havent watched the film in a while. Try watching it in HD sometime for the full effect ;)
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Aw hell fuckin' naw! I guess ill root for NCFOM since the other noms were soewhat..lackluster, especially Attonement.
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Jan 22, 2008 11:32:43 AM CST
300'S SLO-MO WAS ESSENTIAL IN CAPTURING THE MOVEMENTS
by bringingsexyback
and allowing your eyes to feast on the smorgasbord of muscled and toned manflesh. If you didn't like that they you must be gay.
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Well the obvious one is the top down shot of Trinity jumping across the gap while running over rooftops. Bad composition in that scene.
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Anyone think this is worth Netflixing?
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problem is that the effects were 200 times more ambitious than the first matrix. First Matrix had soft CGi on short shots. Whereas Reloaded had total new effects. Sure the Burly brawl didn't look photoreal, but that's because even then it was impossible, it was cgi for the camera shots, virtual cinematography, you just could not do that physically, watch it again and try to think how they could of done the CGI and you will see how complicated it was.
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Snobby Academy - my Balls get snubbed again, huh? There is no justice...
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hat's better than Kong? Davy Jones...Optimus Prime...both created by ILM. Kong looked great, don't get me wrong...but it has been surpassed by ILM.
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and go back to when The Matrix was released, then say the effects were shitty. They were incredible and no way would you have found anyone, at that time, complaining.
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I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE ELI! I DRINK IT ALL UP! I BEAT YOU!!
There Will Be Blood will come out of nowhere and snatch Best Picture away from The Coens and you will hear the first audible gasp in the audience since Spielberg got fucked for Saving Private Ryan. And could you cumstains stop saying "noms"? You sound like industry tards.
I'VE ABANDONED MY CHILD! I'VE ABANDONED MY CHILD! I'VE ABANDONED MY BOY!!!! -
King Kong, as a film, was filled with shoddy effects, such as the poorly executed Bronto stampede and Kong/Rex fight. However, as a character model, King Kong was truly, truly impressive, hands down. Personally, I still think Rots's overal film effects were better, General Grevious, though very impressive in his own right, wasn't as ambitious or as detailed as Kong.
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That movie did multiple clones a hell of a lot better than the multiple Smiths. Look at the shot where Obi-Wan is looking at the clones while they're sitting down to dinner..hundreds, thousands of them that looked better than the hundreds of Smiths.
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It's not just the look but the work. you could argue the photoreal Optimus but inorganic materials are easier to animate and light than organic hair. It's just fact. The fact Kong exists and moves and is animated is an achievement in itself, the fact he looks real is unbelievable. That's why Weta is the best company. Doesn't mean ILM is bad, they have gained alot in years, the margin between Weta and ILM isn't as large as it was before up to 2005, now it's very close. We can all agree Sony Pictures Image Works can suck my dick. Talkback Superstar Messi Speaks.
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They gave a good, hairy performance.
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That shit reeks of an HBO Movie.
Another lame comedy, I'll give Superbad props before this.
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I agree...at the time they looked great. But they haven't aged well, just like the effects from Spider-man.
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I think he meant at the time of 2005, weta's Kong model was better then any model used by ILM, which, I think, is fairly accurate. You are right about ILM's Davey Jones and Optimus Prime, however. Currently, those are THE character models to beat.
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This is a joke, right?They really don't need to award this crappy and annoyingly sickening modern action cinema editing style.Fracking Academy...
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I hate the fact people always bring up the stampede, like that 2 min sequence discounts the other 2 hours and 30 mins of the greatest visual effects there is. If you study that stampede, it isn't the effects that is bad, it's the mind telling you the sequence is impossible thus you discount it as bad work. But then even if it were bad, Kong is the greatest CGI achievement there is and he was in more than half the movie. And then there was the incredible superimposition and the new york scenes which had heavy CGI but weren't even noticeable, if you watch the production diaries you would be astounded by how brilliant the effects were. And ROTS did not have better effects even overall, the dooku jump when he fights obi wan and anakin was terrible, alot of the lighting was bad, and the worst was that terrible glitch when yoda ignites his saber, terrible mistake.
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hahahaH fanboy. You have no idea how much more complicated Kong is than Davy Jones and Optimus. It's fact. Kong is better. Other animators say it's the greatest achivement in CGI.
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Well, yeah, Kong, was and still is one of the best character models of all time, but you cannot stand there in broad daylight and tell me that Davey Jones or Optimus play second bannana.
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'Bullet Time' was an in camera effect and was surely 'cinematography' and not 'Visual Fx'. Apart from that all the Matrix FX were just mini 'water tentacles' from The Abyss and the Helicopter bit from Die Hard just done with computers.
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Davy Jones and Optimus are far easier to animate than Kong. Kong looks photoreal. Talk to a CGI animator, they will tell you Kong is the best.
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I've been saying the same damn thing for years!! You are absolutely right to say that what everyone loved about the Matrix was its cinematography, not its effects. Oh well, this has been a 9 year argument in my house and its not going away anytime soon...
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But ILM are in my opinion, still on top. WETA are great, but they're not the revolutionary company that ILM are.
The difference between them is that ILM creates a lot of revolutionary techniques...and then WETA improve on them. And then ILM come back and improve again, while creating more pioneering effects.
WETA's work, while amazing, isn't pioneering...they simply try to improve on the work that ILM starts. ILM have been, and still are the real pioneers of the industry, and right now there's no one better. Jones and Optimus are proof of that.
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Of course they play second banana. Watch the production diaries and you will say "holy shit". You need to see it from an animators point of view. Optimus is easier to animate and light because he's metal and made in parts. Kong is organic, and hair is the hardest thing to do in CGI.
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A lot of them thought that Davy Jones was real.
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Animals, especially ones covered in fur, are far easier to duplicate, whether in art, coloring, or cgi, than people. Davey Jone's manuerisms, eyes, textures, and composition were all superior to King Kong.
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I love Wilkinson, but he was waaaay over the top in that movie. It annoyed the shit out of me.
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They've been effectively animating hair since Dinosaur. In the world of CGI, Fire and the human eye are still THE trickiest bits.
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Fellowship is a landmark visual film. why are they revolutionary, because photorealism was never that prevalent or possible before. Weta doesn't improve on ILM, that's just silly, just because ILM were around first doesn't mean shit. for lotr weta invested in heavy computer power. And not revolutionary? Massive is revolutionary. Your comments just sound like the rants of a Lucas/star wars fanboy. i'm being objective here. the computer articles all state it. anyway i'm off.
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but that might be because he's a giant gorilla which my brain tells me is impossible.
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It took ILM 6 years to get digital characters equal to Fellowship. so i dont' understand how weta isn't a pioneering company. ILM animators have even said so.
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I liked ATONEMENT. It is not what it looks like in those trailers. It is not a big sweeping romance. Spoiler: The whole movie balances on a big twist ending. I liked it a lot, but it was in no way better than NO COUNTRY or THERE WILL BE...
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all animators say hair is the hardest to do.I don't think you know much about CGI. Davey Jones was not superior to kong.
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Everyone thought that Davey Jones was really Bill Nighy covered in make up and with blue screen tentacles. Hell, I thought the same damn thing myself until ILM released that little tidbit a couple of months after the film's success. ILM allowed everyone to assume Jones was "real" for months and they were able to get away with it! That is how good Jones was, and I'm sorry, but Kong at NO TIME looked as sophisticated when it came to compositing. Just watch that first scene with Jones, in the rain, and suddenly lighting his pipe, and he still looks like he's actually in the scene. And don't even get me started on At World's End when they show him in broad daylight on the deck of his own ship and he seems to actually be standing there.
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But again, it still follows on from work done by ILM for the gungan battle in Phantom Menace...and it's no co-incidence that a lot of WETA's staff at the time came from ILM.
Gollum looked great..but again, Jar Jar came before it..ILM are the pioneers of the industry and ontinue to be that....all the computer articles say it :P -
And I watched the Reloaded car chase in HD and it looked great.I dont want to argue with some dudes around here,because I just watch movies to have fun and in 99 and today,Matrix is the better movie for me.And that is a very subjective opinion I know but I love the Matrix Trilogy and nobody can convince me otherwise.I think that goes for everybody and their favorite movies.
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May actually win an Oscar this year with his work on "Transformers." The poor guy is a legend in the industry, and his work is continually overlooked. He works his ass off and have heard the man talk on a few different occasions - he's humble, but seriously, give him an Oscar finally for work he truly deserves - "Transformers."
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I'd have to go with Davey Jones as being the better CGI character in my humble but deadly-accurate opinion.
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I leave now you star wars fanboys. unfortunately, the guys involved in the work would disagree with you. lucas can suck my balls. Remember i'm not saying they are shit effects, but from a purely technical standpoint in bringin him to life and how he looked, Kong is the greatest achievement in CGI.
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...nominated for anything. That movie was a huge step backwards from the series, and felt almost as though someone else was directing it, not Sam Raimi.
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Oh and if you're talking about Fellowship...look at how terrible Gollum looked in that film.
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you are just viewers watching it, you don't understand how it is done.
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Yes, but Bale has been better in other roles (*American Psycho*, for example). Plus, hasn't the Academy taught us that if an actor establishes herself at an early enough age, they'll likely wait to acknowledge her – so sorry Ellen Page, but you don’t have a chance in hell. Finally, can Bale’s performance even be classified as supporting, when the main protagonist of *Rescue Dawn* is clearly Dengler. I should note I’m a huge fan of Herzog’s *Little Dieter Likes to Fly,* so a feature film on the same subject by the same director seems superfluous to me. I’m sorry, but Little Dieter just tells the story better. As far as *This is England* is concerned, it was a 2006 release, and a UK one at that.
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I'm sorry, but you're simply misinformed if you think king kong's fur is harder to animate than the human eye or fire. Human Hair, is difficult, to be sure, but when we're talking about animal FUR, detail is less necessary. And if you doubt the validity of my statement, point to me one film other than POTC that displayed properly textured human eyes. Hell, even Gollumn, which came the closest to that point, displayed an obvious lighting/texture difference between his body and eyes. And NO FILM has been able to properly animate fire as yet. It still looks to much like napalm right now.
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Where's Walk Hard? And wasn't Eddie Vedder's song for Into the Wild made for the picture? Yet Enchanted has three. I'm not saying the academy can be out of touch but...
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I don't remember what songs those were up against for the Oscars, but that is beside the point anyway. I don't see why the category for Best Song exists anyway. It seems like the Academy wants to give out an award for everything that had ANYTHING to do with the film, even tangentially. Melissa Ethridge won for a song that just played over the closing credits of a documentary feature. How the FREAK is a song playing over the closing credits a major enough part of a film to merit a freaking Academy Award?
Is there a Tony Award for Best Playbill program? No. Is there a Grammy Award for Best Costume in a music video? No. Why? Because those elements are largely irrelevent in terms of the artistic nature of the actual medium being celebrated.
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you never even see gollum, it was a rushed effect, they didn't even know how gollum was goign to look when they put him in there, it wasn't final you don't think objectively and are completely bias. Fucking hell. "Fellowship's effects sucked because the 3 second shot of gollum was terrible, so I will discount the revolutionary effects in the rest of the film" fucking hell, must be shitty to hang around with you.
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Admittedly not as shite as the show itself has become, but still light-years away from being anywhere near as good as Ratatouille.
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Bullet Time wasn't an 'in-camera' effect. In-camera implies it's done there and then when the footage is shot, in the camera it was shot on. Bullet time is an effect achieved by setting up 40+ cameras and then stitching them all together on a computer, so you really couldn't get much less 'in camera' than that if you tried.
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the New Simpson's are mostly not liked by people, but wait a couple of years and you will get it
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Jan 22, 2008 12:00:26 PM CST
CRUEL KINGDOM - IS THE TWIST THAT THEY'RE BROTHER/SISTER?
by bringingsexyback
I like that - really a turn-on.
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Are you sure you're not just a Jackson fanboy, or even just a Star Wars hater? Am I a Star Wars fanboy? Hell yeah, and I'm not ashamed to say I loved the prequels. SCREW THE HATERS haha :P
But I'm a general film lover and film maker. Yes, my area is writing, but I do work in the more technical areas as well...so don't accuse me on basing my opinion on my love of Star Wars. I see the flaws in those movies, and I also love movies like the Matrix and I liked Kong and Lord of the Rings.
I'm a fan of movies in general and the fact that you dismiss my opinion out of hand simply because I like a certain series of movies doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in your character.
I'm being objective in my opinions, and that's what they are, opinions, same as yours, so before you accuse me of not being objective, maybe you should make sure that you're not falling into that same trap of fanboyism. -
Yes, I would say a detail heavy model like King Kong would be more photorealistic, but in terms of creating a living, breathing character that flawlessly interacted with the live action components, Davy Jones has Kong beat hands down. The subtle play of light and glimmer on Jones' face is remarkable. I would credit this to the work of John Kroll at ILM. Like Dennis Muren, he's been around from the start, and his work on The Abyss and T2, probably advanced the art of computer animation by five years at the least.
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Nominated by me.
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Jan 22, 2008 12:02:41 PM CST
The Not Another Teen Movie guys went on to the oscars
by s0nicdeathmonkey
well, directing the oscars anyway. No shit. Look it up.
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and said "Go away and never come back" ... was that in Two Towers? That was frakking brilliant. Oscar for that.
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I'd love to see him rip into everyone. And congratulate himself on winning Best Actor.
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Davy Jones was a great character in DMC but boring as hell in AWE. And with Kong you could see the little hairs moving, the dust floating around him and insects flying about. That was fantastic. And I liked looking at Naomi Watts too. MMmm. MILF
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So I picked one which was relevant to the discussion. Gollum in later fims looked great, but as I've been saying, while he looked better than Jar Jar...he was still based on the pioneering work that ILM put into Jar Jar.
also, WETA are very inconsistent...for every Kong you had a shoddy looking Brontosaurus, for every Gollum shot you had a distintly average Elaphont (or however it's spelt) shot. -
You bandy around "fanboy" constantly, but I think you are the biggest WETA fanboy ever. And for the record, I don't give a monkeys how "impressive" Kong was. It was still a fucking horrible film that redefined boring
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is without a doubt, during attack of the clones. That scene, and lucas's absolutely asenine notion to devote so much time to so lousy effect when he could have just gotten a nice looking model and blown it up illustrated my biggest beef with the new trilogy: lucas's laziness.
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I meant that first scene where the ship blew up in attack of the clones. oh well.
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what about SW:PM, for every Jar Jar you had a Jar Jar, an underwater kingdom, an entire phoney world
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That shot was terrible...though regarding Star Wars fire...Anakins burning, while a different type of fire effect, was definitely a huge improvement.
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I totally agree about Kong man. That movie was fucking BORING. Even when the 'action' started it was boring. God, I heard people say they cried at the end. How? Tears of boredom? Thank God I saw it free
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you guys are crazy.;)
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You really do seem like a decent and informed/opinionated fellow, but you are a little too quick on the draw to label us fan boys simply because we see things differently. Don't let this little discussion of ours get too heated, okay? We're really having a nice time bantering about film effects and all of us agree that we are basing this on opinions. Sure we sound like know-it-alls and are writing like know-it-alls, but we all agree that we're just agreeing and disagreeing back and forth. I'm sure vatican doesn't agree with me on at least some of what I say.
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Some of the Jar jar effects were terrible...but the overall effects work was much more consistent...the battle droids for example, and of course the podrace, which still holds up today.
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That said, Zodiac got hosed. I haven't seen Juno yet so I can't comment, but I find it hard to believe that all 5 best pic nominees were better than Zodiac. And 3:10 To Yuma probably should have gotten a nod too. The voters are clueless and people that keep saying year after year that the Academy almost got it right are wrong. The Academy rarely gets it right. Children of Men should have gotten the spot taken by Little Miss Sunshine last year. Going back to Marty's snub for GoodFellas, the Academy has snubbed at least 4-5 nominees every year. That is a dismal track record.
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Yeah, the fire was a lot more convincing in the third film, but as you said, only because they actually used real fire/volcano footage and "cut-and-pasted" it where they wanted it. Thats why I get so bummed out by Lucas's direction in those films; its like the guy refused to use anything from the real world or conventionality, even if it meant a better looking picture. Just take a look at his pointless rendering of storm troopers with Fett heads. Rather than just film Fett wearing various suits and compiling them all together in one nice convincing image, he pointlessly uses cgi for the trooper bodies and then pastes fett's head on top in as unconvincing a manner as possible.
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I actually thought the effect was pretty good...in Attack of the Clones anyway...for some reason, the same effect looked worse in Revenge of the Sith.
The thing about the Star Wars prequels though is that Lucas actually had hundreds of sets in each film. They all had some greenscreen, sure but that was because there was nowhere on Earth that looked like a lot of these places...it's not as if Coruscant could have been shot on location in New York. -
ripped off everything in sight and had a pretty flimsy narrative to boot. They set up some interesting ideas for the sequels, then obliterated them with heavy-handed philosophical nonsense and tedious exposition. The original Matrix is a solid film but for my money Dark City was overall a much better and more thought-provoking film and was released two years earlier than the Matrix.
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It's fairly easy to see why it's dead - It's not used in the "real world". You've got a few clusters where it's predominantly used (i.e. Gaeltacht region - about 90000 people out of 4.1 million!) & that's pretty much it as regards "heavy" usage, anything else is restricted to school. Businesses don't use it either of course, I can go into a Walmart in the US & see plenty of Spanish language ads in-store (Side by side with English versions), can't say that same of Irish owned stores such as Dunnes ;) Why? Because Irish's not used.
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aside from Amy Ryan and Casey Affleck. They're the only two actors with roles that are written well and worth a damn. Ed Harris phoned in his performance. I mean the guy has a catalog of far stronger work to be saddled with the uninspired, predictable role that he had. Therefore he didn't deserve any supporting nominations.
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For Bobinnova: Best Original songs go to songs that are written originally for the film - the majority of the Sweeney Todd songs are from Broadway - I don't know if they've written any original ones for the movie like they did for "Dream Girls." And let's stop busting "Enchanted," shall we? Those songs are already a return to the classical Disney form (remember "Beauty and the Beast"? "Aladdin"? Ring any bells?) and not only that, but are also cleverly written parodies of Disney songs. Disney's screwed up things before, but it's rarely dropped the ball, music-wise. I kinda hope the producers cave in to the writers already - I really want to see those songs performed live at an Oscars telecast!
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The longer the strike goes on, the more it will become likely that Justice League will be canned.
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Jar Jar was ground breaking at the time (anybody who thinks the Matrix had better effects is obviously letting their hate of TPM damage their objectivity) and Gollum improved on that technology. That said, Davy Jones buried Gollum (in both design and execution) so perhaps Weta will strike back with something even better. That said, ILM is and remains the best FX house and love or hate it, the Transformers looked amazing on screen. It deserves to win because there were few if any seams in that movie effects wise.
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Thought for sure it would at least score a nomination for its Art Direction. Was there a single film more stunning to look at this year than 300? And the sound in 300 was extraordinary, too, especially during that first battle scene. The shutout of this movie from the Oscars seems like a very deliberate snub.
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but it's too bad they couldn't do the same for writing/directing, acting, enterainment value. Also watch both these movies now and I believe that The Matrix holds up better
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dude you better just back out of this TB because you don't want this on your head after the past 3 hours of argument
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Without a doubt, it's one of the very best films of 2007. I'm so glad to see this one get recognized. George Clooney definitely deserves his nomination. Tony Gilroy's script and direction rocked! One of my favorite films of the year.
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on that list. I was really hoping Sweeny Todd would get a Best Pic nod as it was a brilliant musical but alas, no. Atonement looks like typical Ocasr bait and even the previews make me groggy. I still want to see Juno but I have this feeling it's a solid little flick that's being overly praised and will fade from memory by this time next year. There Will Be Blood looks great and I'll be seeing it soon, assuming those douche bags finally release the film in more than 400 theatres nationwide.
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agreed
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I'm aware of the ongoing debate over the merits of 300 in this Talkback. Just throwing my own opinion out there. Cool?
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Seriously? Best picture? What? There were tons of movies better than it this year. What in the fuck is going on in this world??
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The academy gets it wrong FAR MORE times than right. I'll still never forget when Denzel Washington won an oscar over Crowe's depiction of John Nash, the snubbing of Ian Mckellan for FOTR, LA confidential losing to Titanic, Forrest Gump winning over Pulp fiction, and those are just a few of the past twenty years. I could go waaaay back into the eighties for even more blunders, such as Morgan Freeman being snubbed while Tandy won, or two words: Annie Hall.
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Cool. Just thought I'd give you a heads-up
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Daniel Day-Lewis. There Will Be Blood. Ratatouille. Pirates for effects. NOTHING for Atonement.
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Did you seriously accuse me of trying to be hip and cool by not liking...The Matrix? You do realize that the Matrix, save some pop culture references, has completely faded from the public's attention? How is taking this film to task for obvious shortcomings supposed to make me "cool"? By the way, a film can be solid and even engaging while still being incredibly derivative, which the Matrix most certainly is. It borrowed heavily from various other films and media to varying degrees of success. That's a far cry from it being a watershed film, which it really wasn't save for maybe a few innovative camera shots. It's a decent film that has been worshiped by a large population of moviegoers who don't know any better, as they think the Matrix ranks up there with films like the Terminator, Aliens and Bladerunner. It doesn't. Period.
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The Kingdom would've won except Jason Bateman kept his head.
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Didn't the same issue arise for Howard Shore when the score for the Two Towers was disqualified from the Oscars because of the use of "existing" themes (namely, the Fellowship theme)? But then the score for ROTK WAS allowed to compete the next year, and as we all know that won along with everything else they were nominated for. So I don't get the disparity - did Shore (and PJ also, I'm sure) get the rules changed? Because you're right, the score for TWBB is wonderful and certainly deserving of consideration.
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Jan 22, 2008 12:51:47 PM CST
THE MATRIX'S GREATNESS WAS DIMINISHED BY ITS SEQUELS
by bringingsexyback
Left alone, it would have been remembered fondly as a the landmark achievement it truly was. The same thing could have happened to Superman, except Donner wasn't involved with the sequels so it gets a pass.
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I couldn't agree with you more about how cool the Matrix was (the first one, mind you). I still believe that film is one of THE action action movies, especially because its in the same vein as Predator, Aliens, and T2. On a side note, it still irks me that Bay couldn't do the same thing with Transformers. That premise had all the elements going for it, up to and including an ILM effects smorgesboard, and Bay still couldn't pull it off. Oh well...
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I've already accepted the fact that Juno will win best original screenplay. Shame Diablo Cody won't thank the guy who did a MAJOR rewrite on it though. Oh wait, she won't thank anybody cause there won't be a show. Ah, justice, I love you. Cody will win but no one will notice or care and she won't get to accept it. Sweet.
And while I'm talking about scripts, how the fuck did that piece of shit Lars and the Real Girl get nominated for best script? Had to be one of the stupidest, lamest, most unbelievably ridiculous movies ever. -
I remember the same thing happened to Jaws back in the eighties, and only now, after enough time has passed and all those horrible sequels have been forgotten, is Jaws given the respect it had garnered during its pre-sequel years.
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Jan 22, 2008 1:02:34 PM CST
MOONDOGGY - THAT WOULD BE A GOOD ARGUMENT AGAINST SEQUELS
by bringingsexyback
that were never meant to be in the first place. The Matrix was an incredible idea and finely executed movie. Like the Star Wars OT, it left a lot to the imagination after the credits rolled. But like the SW Prequels, it wrecked the mythology. Jaws definitely warranted no sequels.
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I really hope he pulls one out this year. Such a deserving cinematographer. He even made the Village look good. And the cinematography in No Country was absolutely brilliant. On another note, anyone know why the Coen Bros still aren't taking credit for editing on this movie?? Roderick Jaynes my ass. Whoa... Kathy Bates.
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Huge miss by the academy. His work in Away From Her was amazing.
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got left out. That pleases me to know end. And if only Juno would have been the same.
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But I still think that you guys show the Pirates Sequels a little more hate than they deserve. They weren't THAT bad... It was a fun night at the movies, get over it...
As for the Oscars: yeah, LOOK AT DAVY JONES. LOOK AT THE MAELSTROM. SHIPWRECK COVE. UP IS DOWN.
I'm sorry, but for all the locale stuff (everything minus Jones) no one immediately thought CGI! Many of the sets in the film were created on a computer in post.
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I would like to unreservedly apologise on behalf of the irish nation for Micheal Flatley. but nearly died last year, so we cant be too harsh on him. and he be came a dad. but I read about his speech in new york, where he he castigated modern Ireland for being far to full of black people and foreigners( I am not making this) where he bemoaned the lack live trad music and told his audience that the celtic tiger isnt dead.When you have half a billion in the bank and live in your own castle and own a casino. Read his book, I have heard its hilarious. back to talking about movies.......
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me an "hater",because I like The Matrix more the EP1.You are one of those dudes who think that YOUR opinion is the ONLY opinion!Thats total BS.That is not OK man.I love the Matrix Trilogy,but it doesnt give me the right to say for example:"BSB is a hater,he dont likes the sequels!"Thats all
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Will the Oscars be a ten minute show this year?
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because I'm behind with my movies per usual.
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Because he is related to Sarah polley the director. He is Sarah Polley's step father.
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Slow year for movies.
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Seriously though, props to your love of the matrix trilogy and willingness to stand by it in the face of opposition. I'm the same way when it comes to my Star Wars films. That's right, I even love the prequels, flaws and all, and try not to notice the obvious change in craftsmanship and more adult tone of the OT when compared to the episodes 1 and 2. 3, on the other hand, was complete bliss for me. I really dont have much of a complaint with that film. Just my take, however.
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Jan 22, 2008 1:24:49 PM CST
I can't help but think that the people who don't realise why JUN
by ian216a
.. a 16 year old girl has never lowered themselves to talk to them. Don't get me wrong, There Must Be Blood and No Country for Old Men are both amazing films, that along with Juno are probably the 3 best I have seen in years, and as I am quite a rough and violent man I have often knocked out people that have disagreed me me that PTA and the Coen Brothers (oh and also Miyazaki) are the best directors alive. Despite that, I am rooting for Juno for wins because it is just such a pitch-perfect beautiful little character piece. The performances are ALL faultless. I can't say anything more about the art-filled genius of Ellen Page's performance than has already been said. She created a real person in that film and showed all of them in it , either explicitly or subtlely. That is the height of an actor's role, the fucking height.
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is what the rest of that subject line should have said
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and even if he was Sarah's stepfather, how would that matter?
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My only real qualm about them is the change in style and structure for the final film. In revolutions, everyone started talking in star wars style dialogue (a glaring flaw for any film not Star Wars) and the three main characters seemed to take a backseat to second and third string characters. Some absolutely fantastic scenes, however, and a fairly ballsy finale for our leading hero.
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the first one was overrated. The second and third had no story and characters to give a crap about.
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if somebody likes a movie(or trilogy),why should he change his mind?Because some dude on the TB tells him?NO!
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Star wars lover!;)
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Still, I feel its my christian duty to convert those who love Bay films. They shouldn't stay damned for all eternity; they just shouldn't!
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sir!Poor souls!
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I pray for them daily.
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In this year of excellent films, there is NO WAY that I could put JUNO on a list of the best. And Reitman for Best Director?
I like a lot of these nominations, but I weep for THE ASSASSINATION OF JESSE JAMES, which is probably not going to win anything, and missed out on the big nominations. I guess most voters didn't see this, because it blows away . . . well, JUNO, at least. -
He was on Dancing With The Stars recently. But did he really say Ireland has too many blacks? I was thinking of moving to Ireland to get away from the blacks, but I guess that changes my plans ...
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Try reading something before you start squirting out cries of foul. I stated that people claiming the Matrix had better effects than TPM were letting their overall dislike of the film ruin their objectivity. So now dry those tears and relax.
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her double nomination is a joke.
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Yeah, the Ruby Dee nod definitely feels Dench-esque...
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Michael Clayton??? The worst movie in existence got nominated. GEORGE FUCKING CLOONEY GOT NOMINATED???? All he does is bob his head and look confuesd the whole movie. THAT'S ACTING??? That movie went absolutely NOWHERE! And Viggo fucking Mortenson for best actor??? Over Emile Hirsch??? Are you kidding me? Why? Because he spoke Russian??? That movie SUCKED and that guy is one of the most boring actors I have ever seen on film. What a joke! I want to bitch about the Cate Blanchet pick b/c I heard that movie was awful. But I didn't see it. At least they got Hal Holbrook right. His performance was heartbreaking. And I read an article that there is nothing he wanted more than an Oscar nomination. -- The most interesting and possibly best category in years is this year's cinematogrpahy category. All of those movies are great in that area and any one of them can win. Please please please Michael Clayton don't win any awards. It will show what a stupid fucking political sham this contest is. That movie was straight up the worst movie of the year for me. Juno backlash has begun. I thought the movie was decent but not great. I wouldn't mind if Ellen Paige won. She is a good actress.
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Jan 22, 2008 1:48:26 PM CST
Atonement may win just because it appeals to old people...
by cruel_kingdom
When we went and saw it, the average age in the theater was like 165. Seriously. The old biddies laughed their asses off at everything--well, ALMOST everything. When McAvoy typed the word "cunt" they all gasped, lol.
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Worst Picture - Bratz, Daddy Day Camp, I Know Who Killed Me, I Now Pronounce You Chuck & Larry, Norbit
Worst Actor - Nicolas Cage (Next, Ghost Rider, National Treasure 2), Jim Carrey (Number 23), Cuba Gooding Jr. (Daddy Day Camp), Eddie Murphy (Norbit), Adam Sandler (I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry)
Worst Actress - Jessica Alba (Awake, FF-Silver Surfer, and Good Luck Chuck), Logan Browning, Janel Parrish, Nathalia Ramos & Skyler Shaye (Bratz), Elisha Cuthbert (Captivity), Diane Keaton (Because I Said So), Lindsey Lohan as Aubrey (I Know Who Killed Me), Lindsey Lohan as Dakota (I Know Who Killed Me)
Worst Supporting Actor - Orlando Bloom (POTC:AWE), Kevin James (Chuck & Larry), Eddie Murphy as Mr. Wong (Norbit), Rob Schneider (Chuck & Larry), Jon Voight (Transformers, National Treasure 2, September Dawn, and Bratz)
Worst Supporting Actress - Jessica Biel (Chuck & Larry, Next), Carmen Electra (Epic Movie), Eddie Murphy as Rasputia (Norbit), Julia Ormond (I Know Who Killed Me), Nicolette Sheridan (Code Name: The Cleaner)
Worst Screen Couple - Jessica Alba & either Hayden Christensen
(Awake), or Dane Cook (Good Luck Chuck), or Ioan Gruffudd (FF4), Any Combination of Two
Totally Air-Headed Characters (Bratz),Lindsay Lohan & Lindsay Lohan (I Know Who Killed Me), Eddie Murphy (as Norbit) & either
Eddie Murphy (as Mr. Wong) or
Eddie Murphy (as Rasputia) (Norbit), Adam Sandler & either
Kevin James or Jessica Biel (Chuck & Larry)
Worst Remake - Are We Done Yet, Bratz, Epic Movie, I Know Who Killed Me, Who's Your Caddy
Worst Prequel/Sequel - AVP: Requiem, Daddy Day Camp, Evan Almighty, Hannibal Rising, Hostel Part II
Worst Director - Dennis Dugan (Chuck & Larry), Roland Joffe (Captivity), Brian Robbins (Norbit), Fred Savage (Daddy Day Camp), Chris Siverston (I Know Who Killed Me)
Worst Screenplay - Daddy Day Camp, Epic Movie, I Know Who Killed Me, Chuck & Larry, Norbit
Worst Excuse For A Horror Movie (new category) - AVP: Requiem, Captivity, Hannibal Rising, Hostel Part II, I Know Who Killed Me -
You know nothing of what you are saying, bloke. It's all rubbish.
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"anybody who thinks the Matrix had better effects is obviously letting their HATE of TPM damage their objectivity".Try and read what you wrote first.
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Not such a bad list - None of these will be the embarrassment for the Academy that was CRASH - but watch all of these movies and really in every category that it's nominated there is THERE WILL BE BLOOD and than there is everything else.
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My comment about the Matrix being relevant in today's world was a direct response to your insipid attacks claiming my dislike of the Matrix was some sort of hipster position. Honestly, I was never in love with the film because it's an incredibly flawed movie. And while all films may have derivative aspects in one way or another, The Matrix took from many superior films and came out merely decent, which is what separates great films from average ones.It offered nothing new or innovative to the genre but merely made it look "cool". It's a decent film but nothing groundbreaking. Deal with it and move on. None of your pedantic fanboy squeals will change this.
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Zodiac was my favorite film of the year but I understand how the Oscars work with their short-term memory. But I don't understand how it didn't get noms for editing or cinematography. Also, Juno was an absolutely fantastic film that I once was writing off as a Little Miss Sunshine copy but there's something they do not have in common, in my opinion. One was great and the other was overrated. I Am Legend was a decent film, a pretty good one, until that stupid spanish lady showed up and starting cooking his bacon. And the special effects really bugged me because it displayed how lazy some people are nowadays. Tell me why they couldn't just spend the money and hire a bunch of extras to play the creatures in that film. I think something like that is unforgivable and definitely weakens the film for me. I still have to see There Will Be Blood but Zodiac was my fav and I believe No Country will win best picture. I also liked Sunshine, Atonement, Once, The Orpahange among others. But I didn't think Into the Wild was absolutely fantastic so I can see why Juno got the nomination and not that. I'm just going all over the place so I'll stop now.
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Very deserving. I can't say enough good things about Ellen Page's performance, Diablo Cody's script or Jason Reitmen's helming. The movie hit on all cylinders.
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It's obvious right from the start that Blanchett's nomination for "Elizabeth: The Golden Age" is a filler nomination - just like Keira Knightley's nom for "Pride and Prejudice" was a filler nomination - they just needed an able body to fill the ballot. You know why that is? Because this is yet another year where Hollywood hasn't bothered to write enough movies with good female leads. Fuck! They NEVER have this problem with guys - guys are clawing each other's eyes out to end up on the ballot, but the Oscar pool is so shallow for the women that they'll let just about anyone in.
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So because I used the word hate it means I called you a hater? What it actually means is that people were so pissed at what Lucas delivered with TPM that they refused to acknowledge that the effects were groundbreaking for the time. I would never use the term hater because it's fucking lowbrow and pointless; if you hate anything then you're a hater, yes? I hate Nazi, therefore I am a hater. So again, pay attention or go away.
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No nomination for Carice van Houten or the film itself? I Haven't seen ELIZABETH: THE GOLDEN AGE. Is Blanchett really better than van Houten? Of the movies nominated for Best Foreign Language Film, I've only seen THE COUNTERFEITERS, so far. I can at least say that that one was worthy of recognition, very provocative Holocaust story. It was wrenching to watch at moments and had a fascinating story.
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Winterbottom's movie got snubbed. Jolie, Winterbottom, and the movie deserved noms, and I would have bumped TWBB and PTA for it.
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Jan 22, 2008 2:07:19 PM CST
CARICE VAN HOUTEN = TOP 10 MOST BEAUTIFUL WOMEN IN THE WORLD
by bringingsexyback
Seriously she is just classic beauty.
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only one that matters around here I better leave now.Thanks for YOUR time.
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Yeah, I forgot about that one. Jolie rocked. Poor Daniel Pearl - that was fucked up what they did to him. He didn't do shit to anyone.
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Granted, some of these movies are good even great, but, and it's the big two handed, grab your Burger King Double Whopper eating, late night downtown booty shaking, use your frequent flier miles for an extra seat to be comfortable, turn sideways to get out the door but, and it is this....what about this.
Hollywood loves to think of itself as important. That's why most of the time the categories are full of selections that are self-congratulatory. However, except rarely are the nominations or winners ever the "best". One reason is that it's subjective, there is no best unless it is measured empirically. As to now, there is no such measure, and so this contest,like a Miss Sweet Potato competition for 4 year olds at the county fair is simply a matter of popularity. There were thousands of movies released last year, and hundreds that could have been considered for best picture.
What about "Black Snake Moan", "Zodiac", "300", "Beowulf", "Waitress", "Knocked Up", "Fido", "Rescue Dawn", "The Bourne Ultimatum", "3:10 to Yuma", "Things We Lost in the Fire", "American Gangster", or "Enchanted"? But no.
Well, I guess they are in good company. Here is a partial list of films that didn't win either, "Munich", "Billy Elliot", "Blade Runner", "The Maltese Falcon", "Ragtime", "A Few Good Men", "Dr. Strangelove", "Field of Dreams", "Memoirs of a Geisha", and "Cinderella Man" (which was the best picture for 2005 but it did what was considered poor numbers at the box office so it was left out).
As for me, I am going to nominate my own selections for the categories and have my own little celebration to announce the winners. I think I will put a red carpet out on the sidewalk, invite a few neighborhood kids to take pictures, and have them ask inane questions like, "Who are you wearing?", "Are you enjoying the attention?", and "Where's Britney?" -
I hate the academy awards. The English Patient, Titanic, Shakespeare in Love, Chicago, Crash. It's a fucking checklist of the worst that Hollywood can produce.
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did juno ge a nom for best pic???
I watched it yesterday -I enjoyed it but it certainly wasnt best pic material.
And the dialogue??? it was excruciating at times - kind Gilmore - esque.
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He was fantastic in No Country for Old Men.
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The last 2 matrixes werent nearly as exciting as the first one. All the tension was gone after neo defeated agent smith, they shouldve saved that final fight from prt 1 for the end of the 3rd movie. The writers were clearly taking a gamble and didnt plan on making 3 films. As far as innovative, i think the concept for the story and they way they illustrated it was the most creative. Very similar effects were seen before matrix came out in the first Blade movie..even wire work has been around forever.
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Do you know that I've never ever met a single soul that liked that film? I realize that my statement is purely anecdotal, but still, you'd think with the amount of moviegoers a person runs into in their lifetime they can find ANYONE who likes ANY FILM, but that is one of the films that no one seems to like. Maybe its just too highbrow for the crowd of neanderthals I hang with or something, but there it is. Hell, I even stood behind the decision for Shakespeare in Love to win, despite massive opposition to the contrary, but no one, I repeat NO ONE seems to stand up for the English Patient.
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Bullshit, I say.
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The other problem with the Matrix films was that they wrote themselves into a corner by making Neo a superman by the end of what eventually came to be the first act. Its not the writers' fault, really, since they were obviously not planning on sequels. Lucas had a similar problem when he put the destruction of the ultimate weapon in his initial film, too. And contrary to what he says now, he never planned for sequels, either. His laziness started to show, however, when he decided to reuse the death star for the final act when what he should have done was allow the rebels to make an all out assault on the imperial center. No, I didn't say corruscant, I said the imperial center--that was about as much planning as Lucas had for where the emperor resided.
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Jan 22, 2008 2:29:17 PM CST
CruelKingdom - Give me one memorable moment in Michael Clayton
by captaingilgore
Oh, I forgot! He sees a horse... AND THEN HIS CAR BLOWS UP. WOOOOWWEEEEE! What a powerful cinematic moment! Except that it was the most contrived moment ever. It had no relevance and no tie in to the story whatsoever other than to have a scene that the filmmakers thought would look cool. And then the movie ends with the hero getting the villian to confess to everything before, OH WHAT'S THAT, bringing out a HIDDEN TAPE RECORDER! "Haha! I TRICKED YOU! I got it all on tape! Everything you just said, you supposedly smart person who all of a sudden for the sake of the story became the dumbest person in America". Apparently an ending that I saw on a recent episode of Hannah Montana is good enough for the academy to give an academy award nomination to. What a fucking JOKE that movie was.
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I was actually able to force myself to sit through it, but it took a lot of my will power to do so. You're right about Fargo--it should have been the winner.
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Just an FYI people.
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SAVING PRIVATE RYAN- Robbed
FARGO- Robbed
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Not sure what this has to do with the Oscars, but there's really no need for Ireland to apologize for Flatley. I'd say it's more the responsibility of the Chicago suburbs. Apparently, back in the day, when my wife managed a Blockbuster, he would come in with his fake Irish accent, and think he was all that. Because what the world needed was a step-dancing rock star!! Gotta recognize.
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And therefore, either Daniel Day-Lewis or Viggo Mortensen MUST win Best Actor.
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Juno had heart and I enjoyed it but it's not Oscar good. Thank You for Not Smoking was. Some of the Juno dialogue was tough not to laugh at. It was so forced.
Jesse James isn't getting love because so few people had a chance to see it. Warner Brothers really messed up the release of the movie. Has to be one of the worst handling of a film release that I've seen. Time will be good to Jesse James.
It should be out on video in a month. Rent it.
Daniel Day-Lewis will win Best Actor. Man is amazing to watch. Rambling fool in interviews though.
By the way, Charlie Rose had Anderson and Day-Lewis on his show. Google Video has the clip. lates.
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Yeah, that was good. But to the guy who said to bump TWBB and PTA for it. INSANE. TWBB was the best movie I have seen in many years. It was insane. I heard good things and I was still blown away. If DDL loses for best actor I won't care about he Oscars anymore. It was an absolutly stunning portrayal of greed in early America. The character was also fucked up six ways of Sunday too. Brilliant.
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All nominations for Juno minus the Ellen Page one are ridiculous. Where are the Into the Wild nominations??? Jesse James will win for cinematography, they can't snub that one it was the best looking film for a while. and Gone Baby Gone should have got more, Don't even get me started on Zodiac. As long as Jason Reitman or Diablo Cody don't win, I'll be fine.
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The Matrix was great, the sequels blew, and Gollum is better than Davy Jones.
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shits and giggles people. No need to go crazy over Zodiac and Jesse James getting snubbed. If you want to get mad about something, get mad about the piss poor documentary nominees or half assed nominations for best foreign language film.
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the bullet time effects played. It really was something new. People had the same strong reaction the following times I saw the movie.
Matrix 2 & 3 didn't live up to the first one but the had some great effects moments. Those movies came years ago and their effects are better than some recent stuff. Look at you I Am Legend. lates.
Josh Broling????? The man deserves Oscar love. Ugh.I can't understand this shit sometimes. By the w -
simply for the line "What the blog". No one talks like that and it's not funny. The entire theater I was with (which was packed with junior high kids) all groaned when that nefarious line was uttered.
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Nice to see Amy Ryan from the Wire getting some accolades. I'm gonna have to see Gone Baby Gone now.
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moon dog I agree with you there, they did make neo into some kind of superman by the third film..even in the second one it was way over the top..Everything just felt flat after the original film. I guess several trilogies suffer from this, the third Blade, back to the future, star wars included- the third movie shouldve moved on to something more original. Eventhough ewoks seemed original enough at the time, the enlarged christmas ornament (dethstar) was way too lame for the third.
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2005 - Crash - WRONG!
2004 - Million Dollar Baby - WRONG!
2002 - Chicago - WRONG!
2001 - A Beautiful Mind - WRONG!
1999 - American Beauty - WRONG!
1998 - Shakespeare In Love - WRONG!
1997 - Titanic - WRONG!
1996 - The English Patient - WRONG!
1994 - Forrest Gump - WRONG!
1990 - Dances With Wolves - WRONG!
1989 - Driving Miss Daisy - WRONG!
I could go on but I think that proves that the Academy's track record is about as shoddy as the ACME products Wile E. straps to his back.
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At last year's SIGGRAPH, the ILM team told us of how they were working on Transformers, and they would send their extensive VFX work to someone, who would then forward it on to Michael Bay. Within minutes an e-mail would come back reading "this will do for now, MB". That type of demand for excellence is what got us the "Oscar-nominated Transformers". I love saying that today. Steve Jablonsky's score should have been nominated, as well as Hans Zimmer's final POTC score. Let the Haters Hate, but in a few weeks, we can expect to be calling it the Academy Award Winning Michael Bay's Transformers. No Sacrifice, No Victory!
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at least if the dethstar transformed into unicron, then we wouldve had something truly badass
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Dont get me wrong, I love star wars, warts and flaws and all, and to a lesser extent the Matrix movies, too. Hell, I absolutely love the LOTR movies and no one can deny that there arent at least a few flaws there, too! No movie is perfect and every film has its quirks, in my opinion.
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was my favourite film of the year but I dont expect it to win best picture as such of course but I really think Imelda should have got a supporting actress nomination nod as Prof Umbridge.
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visuals and sound is about all transformers had going for it , with the exception of a few cool action sequences..but even then, they were either way too brief or hard to understand with all the out of focus and quick cutting..For the upcoming TF sequel- I hope Michael bay quits lying to himself about the "badassness" of the first movie and makes a better story and* please* the action more comprhensible and less manic MTV video-like. SOmeone get him a copy of Transmorphers he could learn alot from that flick.
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So, Surf's Up gets the nod over Beowulf?
And Golden Compass get the nod over Transformers - or Stardust for that matter.
There is no fucking excuse for this! Beowulf was a significant achievement in animation.
The Golden Compass effects were fair in this day and age -certainly not even close to Transformers at all - plus Golden Compass ws a pretty shitty movie. Stardust was better in every way in my opinion.
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I really wanted to like Transformers , I even tried to like it,being a transformers fan I bought it on dvd and watched it a couple more times. The story just does not hold up and the action is way too brief and comes in spurts of mania..WHat it looks like to me is that they wouldve run out of money if they focused on the transformers, Im sure most of the budget went to Cg rendering
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the new hulk better be fucking good
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Just saw that on cable somewhere, anyone know if it's true?
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Perfectly spot on? Heck, no, but I challenge anyone to show me where such ambitious sequences were ever attempted with full photorealism using the personages of real human actors without resorting to far away shots or blurry motion. Reloaded and Revolutions were in your face! Respect it bitches!And no Beowulf nomination??? Sure I don't expect it to win over Ratatouille, but it certainly deserved a nod!
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This really sucks.
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anything with Ralph Feinnes is gold in my book.
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Transformers should be on the VFX list! AS annoying as the movie was now that I think about it...
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Very sad.
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I'm watching it now. This is terrible fucking news.
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Very, very under appreciated as far as I'm concerned. Looking forward to The Dark Knight doubly so now.
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http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/
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Heath ledger just died!!
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He was a really good actor
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Great performances. At least Brolin already has a trophy at home. Her name is Diane Lane.
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no fucking way!!
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...People in in South Australia are in shock... How come we don't have details on this yet?!
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Heath Ledger - such a remarkable talent and so young. I can't believe it. I'm very sad about this.
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I can't see a drug overdose unless he kept his use really secret somehow.
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Assuming CNN is showing this in bold letters on their front page, I doubt this is a hoak. Holy shit, is this surreal. I was really starting to dig his work and was hoping to see more by him. I don't know if I have the heart to tell my wife.
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very sad news
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Is saying he was found surrounded by pills
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Man...I'm quite shocked. What a fucking shame.
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Or just reckless disreguard for life through drug addiction. Either way...this is horrible news. He really was one of my favorite actors in his generation.
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If true, that is sad indeed.
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THIS IS NOT FUCKING HAPPENING!!!
I cannot fucking believe this. This is fucking crazy. What the fuck.
Was he depressed about his marriage breaking up?
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"Heath Ledger Found Dead in Manhattan Apartment" -CNN.com
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It's only breaking news now, but he's been dead for all of 3 hours.
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I can't take this. They said there were pills all around him.
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Sorry about my poor grammar above, I was kinda thrown off by the news when I wrote it.
Getting back to the talkback at hand, I gotta say that I think Hal Holbrook is due. The man is consistently amazing, even in his small roles (Hell, he even impressed me in Creepshow) and brings a certain class to his roles. He'll be the one I'll cheer on, even though he's probably a dark horse.
As far as Persepolis goes, I agree with some that it may upset Ratatouille, mostly because it's politically relevant, and the Oscars have become more and more of a soap box. But the animation never struck me as top-notch. In fact the art style brings back memories of The Critic. I kept waiting for Jay Sherman to dance across the screen. -
Dark Knight to him.
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just kind of unbelievable really...
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my heart just sank. I can't believe he's dead man.
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On the eve of Ledger having the biggest film of his career. This will make watching TDK very somber. I wonder what effect this will have on that film.
He was a great tallent, very under appreciated. Even the little roles he had in things like Lords Of Dogtown were really awesome.
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very sad
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R.I.P. Heath Ledger. He never became a hollywood douch. He was always about acting. Hard not to respect that. Does the Joker die in the new film? How will they handle this. Sad, sad.
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bit ofa shock really
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My heart goes out to his family
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we get it...you're hip, jaded, cynical and cool. now shut the fuck up and fuck off.
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This is terrible news completely insane, way too soon..alot of miles were left on Heath, this mustve been an accident. Im waiting for someone to tell me its a joke, apparently it is not..
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We always will be.
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Headline News is also reporting sleeping pills at the scene. I won't say it's suicide, could be accidental like Anna Nicole.
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The Bourne Ultimatum got a nomination?
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is not a bad thing to possess. Maybe you should look into it.
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I disagree completely that it will increase the box office, i think people will be very uncomfortable with the idea of him portraying that character after what has happened. Everyone talks about BB Mountain, which he was superb in, but it was Lords of Dogtown that really turned me on to how good he could be, amazing performance.
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This is horrible news about Heath, just horrible.
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Fucking goddamn drugs. FUCK. Too young, what the hell man. RIP
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When will people collectively understand, these types of drugs are not toys. Yet all the radicals want to legalize this stuff, and wonder why we as a society should care about banning this shit!
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probably touched on above, but NO Zodiac is fucking ridiculous. Directing, and screenplay would have been nice, but at least Robert Downey Jr. There Will Be Blood getting no score nomination is also a mess, and I hated Juno, so I'd really like to not see it get best screenplay. Never saw Michael Clayton, and though it kind of flew under the radar, was it really that good to have all those major nominations?
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So I can piss on your obit talkback? Fuck off
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I never heard that before. I read about his estrangement from Michelle Williams (he fucked up that relationship bad) but I didn't know about heroin. Hope that wasn't the case. Kill all the drug dealers.
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Don't say it if it's not true man.
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Please invest in some reading glasses.
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I loved that he always seemed to take a new role with everything he did. He's been a hearthrob in a teen comedy, a suicidal lonelyman, a hearthrob in a period action movie (twice!) a gay cowboy, a california stoner/skater, and now a super-villian in a comic movie. Talk about a twisted and wild resume, but that's what you have to love about him. What a shame.
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What about the reshoots for the Dark Knight? Didn't he realize his movie was coming out this summer? Sad.
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Tom Hanks, Best Actor, "Charlie Wilson's War"...Julia Roberts, Best Supporting Actress, same film...Amy Adams, Best Actress, "Enchanted." The first two I guess I can see, given how they've had honors a-plenty, but Adams had what most people would consider the performance of a lifetime in a freakin' Disney movie! TANJ, people.
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Jan 22, 2008 5:27:09 PM CST
The Simpsons didn't get nominated for best animated feature
by gimpinmypants
I says daaaaamn.
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Seriously, he was great in I am Legend. People talk about Smith, not some goofy ass monster.
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Best voice actor for CG character?
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I don't care if it wins a single award, I'm just glad it got recognized for being one of the Best Fucking Films of the year.
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Surf's Up!
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Surf's Up!
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Surf's Up!
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For best makeup?!? Did Eddie's fake fat ass really look THAT good?
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Should have been nominated for something!!!
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Jan 22, 2008 6:41:24 PM CST
Zodiac, Before the Devil Knows You're Dead... where are they?
by pomophobe
I hate the academy awards, they're such an ass blast.
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I'd like to fuckin thank the academy for ensuring that the huge stride BEOWULF made for animated films (Not to mention heroes everywhere) goes completely unrecognized so that "The Surfing Penguins Movie" can FINALLY recieve the legitimate cultural respect it SO deserves. Thank you.
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And Denzel Washington, etc, but proving that once again women issue movies always get nominated.
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Jan 22, 2008 7:31:12 PM CST
Boring Oscar nom list, but I will get rich off of the bet...
by badwaldo s revenge
...on THE TRANSFORMERS winning Best Visual Effects Oscar. It's even. The film is lame & shit IMO, but wow visual effects was mind-blowing. Props to Jason Reitman and Diablo Cody being nominated for Best Director and Best Original Screenplay, respectively. I bet on Diablo winning an Oscar.
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I call it bullshit. Academy Awards have no credibility. That's the best movie of the year IMO. David Fincher should at least receive Best Director nom, Best Adapted Screenplay, Best Cinematography, Best Art Direction, Best Supporting Actor (Robert Downey Jr) and even Best Visual Effects for the astounding FX shots of Transamerica construction time-lapse and the overhead fixed shot of the cab moving on the street of SF. Fuck the Oscars for amnesia, proving it's packed with uptight old geezers who doesn't know shit about what makes a good true-crime thriller that emphasize police prodecural as the suspenseful part of the movie.
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I really enjoyed it, but it didn't strike me as Oscar worthy. Some great performances, sure, but toward the end the whole thing just got long and aimless. Great flick, though. I dug it, it just wasn't quite 'classic.' Almost there... almost...
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supporting actor
BUT I am sure they will give it to Bardem because he's more popular.
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And hooray for Diablo Cody! Minnesota is rooting for you!
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That's a shame - it was a damn fine film. At the very least Vedder should have got himself a best original song nom.
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Why was Gone Baby Gone snubbed? That deserved Oscar nods for best supporting actor (Ed Harris) and director (Ben Affleck).
The scene with Ed Harris and Casey Affleck outside the hospital was amazing.
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3:10 To Yuma being snobbed is a sign of how out of touch the academy is? It was one of the worst major release films of the year. Zodiac was a very, very well mounted production, but its source material sucked and it covered one of the most over exposed news stories in history. Jesse James however...What a shame. I know it was plauged with production delays, and that they are evident in the ramshackle structure of much of the movie, but even given that, it was amazing. The academy loves performances, so thats why Reitman got nominated. Tony Gilroy, I got no idea. Michael Clayton just wasn't very good. And Fincher? Well, it was really fucking good work, but not as good as Dominik or Penn. So its not like he got left out on his own. Joe Wright also got skipped, and Atonement was a far better film than Zodiac. As far as Gone Baby Gone? Nothing to write home about...But damn, Amy Ryan was fantastic, but has no chance againt Cate. Affleck was also fucking amazing in Jesse, but no chance against Bardem. Oh, and Little Miss Sunshine was ten times better than The Fountain or The Prestige. You can't even compare Little Miss Sunshine to half backed crap like those. Beowoulf/Simpsons/Surfs Up are all cut from the same toilet paper. Why choose between them, they all sucked equally as hard. I guess Surfs Up gets preference because it was an animated movie as opposed to a traced movie or a television episode that accidently ended up on the big screen. But yeah, Michael Clayton is my biggest WTF? Todd and Zodiac just aren't as good as the slavish fanboys desperately want them to be, so I understand why they were looked over. My only dissapointment is Into The Wild and Jesse James not really getting the love they deserve. Don't really understand the Juno backlash either. It's not like it was fucking Cloverfield or some pile of shit pimped to death by a bunch of whores. It was a pretty good film that probally got a little more love than it warranted.
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Honest to blog?
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That's how much I fucking love that movie. Fuck JUNO. Kick that fat bitch off the list. Hand me a crayon and I'll scribble ZODIAC in there. Really. Fucking JUNO? It's ZODIAC all the way, bitch.
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This awards show makes my head hurt with all its self-congratulating prestigery. Yeah, I said Prestigery. When they show clips of the movies to demonstrate their great editing or screenwriting or whatever, it actually makes me like them less. The fact that it happens in the middle of skull-splitting headbarf congestion season doesn't help either. Ellen was the worst host ever. Please be better, Jon Stewart, from the get-go, or I'm fucking turning it off. In a year when Transformers got nominated TWICE, and a movie with a pregnant mini-garofalo constantly spouting off reheated 90's gen-x wit was nominated for best picture and best actress, it shouldn't be hard. Jon should have a hell of a a lot of material.
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Aint it Cool News rolls over in its grave.
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excuse me, Transformers was nominated THREE TIMES. No amount of love for the transformers prior to the movie can make me happy about this. if Juno got nominated for more than two, I guess I couldn't read anymore for shame.
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For Visual Effects.
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I just saw that beast who wrote Juno on letterman, and man fuck anything that movie gets. She needs to have the shit smacked out of her. That Hot Topic loving cunt is just, just horrible.
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is if John Caroll Lynch could have been nominated for best supporting actor for his role in Zodiac. He probably would not win, or even should win, but it would be nice to see him get some recognition. His performance gave me chills.
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He was fucking great in that movie, which I thought was well-acted all around. That scene where Anthony Edwards, Mark Ruffalo and Elias Koteas go to question him was just perfect. I really can't stop fellating that movie. I apologize, but I can't help myself. It's that fucking good.
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...that the ad at the top of the page for THERE WILL BE BLOOD spells "winner" with three n's. I never have been very perceptive.
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"I'm not the Zodiac, and even if I was I wouldn't tell you." Holy shit!
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needs to be in more movies. He's good in everything I see him in.
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He is the creepiest motherfucker in that movie.
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"rocket_boy, I think fans of Heath will want to see his final performance"
by Ashok0
Canadian Bacon dude.. Canadian Bacon.
I nearly punched a guy I've known for the better part of 10 years in the chin today because I thought he was taking the whole "Death of Heath Ledger" joke too far.. I didn't believe him for a second (come on you rave on about how the Dark Knight is your most anticipated film of 2008, and that Heaths Joker will OWN, and the office prankster comes and tells you in a oh so cavalier way that smart asses tend to utilise, that the dude whose performance you're MOST looking forward to seeing this year has died... this is too much for a guy to take on a FUCKING WEDNESDAY WHEN THE COKE MACHINE IS EMPTY) needless to say that by noon (We're in Australia) I was saying "sorry for wantin' to knock you out", and ended up buying him lunch. (Make a card for THAT Hallmark). -
Has everyone completely lost their minds? Hey, I think Ellen Page is absolutely adorable and a great little actor, but JUNO was just not that great a movie. Just being a snarky teen and stringing together and endless stream of pop-culture references with an indie rock soundtrack doesn't make a great movie (unless your Quentin Tarantino and lots of people get killed in a cartoonishly fetishy fashion for freaks). But, then again, I'm not a 18 year old coed undergrad anymore, so, most of this movie was lost on me; probably would have loved it if I was an 18 year old girl during my first semester at college.
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Heaven forbid that a person who carries a movie on their backs gets awarded for film that isn't all somber and serious.
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Well, as it goes for me, there´s not enough Transformers in the lists. But TF should actually rule in the Visuals and WTF: "TF not in Adapted Screenplay?", did I get it wrong, or is that Category about Movie-Adaptions? Also the interaction between the TF´s and the humans were made extraordinary well: Sam Vs. Frenzy & Sam+Mikaela on Prime´s Shoulder. BTW: THE STARTREK11-TRAILER IS OUT ON THE PARAMOUNT-PAGE!!!
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Why is it not surprising that a spineless little weasle cunt such as yourself loved that fucking USA Network movie Juno? Your passionate defense of garbage had me laughing quite hard. Thanks for that, much appreciated! Easily one of the funniest, stupidest, most ill informed posts ever!
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...thinks that MIAMI VICE is the greatest thing since the invention of the wheel......well, feel free to insert your own punchline.
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The movie. And don't forget that the guy is an enthusiastic advocate of genocide and mass abortion. Quite the douche, eh?
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You've all got no idea how much I love the way you repeatedly show your ignorance of film. Miami Vice is easily one of the best studio releases of the last 20 years. You guys can go jack off to The Departed and TWBB all you want, I'll be over here enjoying films that are actually good.
Mr. Nice Gaius, nowhere did I ever say I supported genocide. You're a liar. Not only that, we all know fascism comes from the Left, both today and throughout history. Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Leftists one and all. They're your heroes. -
How many times have we posted links to various Talkbacks where you've spouted off your insipid garbage? You're a cunt and liar. And unfortunately for you, many on these boards would agree with me.
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ELVIS!:)REALLYand I think Hitler was not Left,but lets not get in to that.
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...it might be one of the best unintended comedies of the last 20 years."I'm a fiend for mojitos."Pfffttt. Fuck off.
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You feel bad? Whatever for?Here's a little word to the wise: stay as far away from AnimalStructure as you can. He is one of this site's most loathsome Talkbackers. You'll soon realize that most of his posts are piss poor attempts at cognitive thought wrapped in some sort of circular political theory and/or monstrous delusions of grandeur. It's a mystery that he has not yet been banned considering that all of his posts were deleted just a few weeks ago. But that alone should speak for something.
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:)!I read and heard some shit about "structure".His Hitler,Stalin,left...post above proofs you right.But the MV thing.... we are not on the same page here BROTHA(Hulk Hogan finger on you)!:)
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Gong Li's almost unintelligible dialogue. Because you know that makes for one half of a compelling or should I say boring ass romance. Animal Structure forgot about that part.
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I thought Juno was okay in a Napoleon Dynamite kind of way, and I didn't see the implausibility. all kinds of girls/women get pregnant. They mostly have vaginas, uteri and sex drives so what's stopping them? Even the fat girl with coke bottle glasses and speech impediment in school could probably find some weird immigrant guy to nail her for a while if she was in the right place at the right time.(yeah, that wasn't my mom, beat you to the punch) I just didn't think Juno was Oscar-worthy. The whole Minnesota scene is kind of trapped in its own time capsule/bubble and I thought the movie was an enjoyable product of that, much like Dynamite was about a magical Mormon thrift-store world where the 80's never dies.
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Seriously, I better F'N WIN!
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I had no problem understanding her for the most part. And her accent is indeed one of the movie's charms. It is unlike any other film over the last 10-15 years. The cinematography is nothing short of stunning, and at times brilliant in it's use of HD as a format unto itself, unlike all the posers like Fincher who try and make HD look like film. Mann says he shoots HD cause of the look of it. If he wanted a film look he'd shoot film.
Mr. Nice Gaius - your name says it all. I love your dismissal of the film as a comedy, really shows either one of two things, your age or your taste. For your sake I hope it is age, cause you are one sad lying cuntly bastard.
Node - you don't want to know what a real psychopath is like, so save your petty bullshit you close minded twat. Female empowerment....you don't even know what the fuck you're talking about, it's hilarious. You love a movie designed for 14 year old girls in junior high that you yourself admit has plot holes you could drive a Mack truck through. Not only that, you think it is deserving of Academy recognition. Please. Go sell your bullshit somewhere else.
travis-dane - nice dude. Good to see someone here with some motherfucking taste. Hell, even Node admitted a weak fondness for Miami Vice. Good work. -
MIAMI VICE had stunning cinematography? Wow. I am overfuckingwhelmed. And how exactly does that makes it "one of the best studio releases of the last 20 years"? (Try not to mention the boring plot, vapid dialog, and horrendous love story.)The film is sub-standard Mann. One with unintentional hilarity strewn throughout. So, no. I don't dismiss it as a comedy. I EMBRACE it as one.
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Seriously that movie was about as perfect a character study as has ever been put to screen. The best film I saw this year easily.
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It's nomination for best picture and directing is a joke. I can see why people enjoy this cutesy unrealistic tripe, but why do they think it's on par with the great films of it's generation? Ridiculous.
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Which, despite Colin Farells all over hte place accent, is a movie I enjoyed immensely like I do all Michael Mann's films. But calling it one of the best films of the last 20 years is the stuff of lunacy animalstructure. It makes you look ridiculously vapid. It's not even one of Michael Mann's best films. I mean for god's sake Mann directed Heat, The Insider, and Collateral, all much better films than Miami Vice.
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despite the movie being a piece of shit. Beowulf was ripped off, but apparently is now in the Academy's guidebook for stupid members to nominate at least one penguin related movie a year. I refuse to talk about Norbit.
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Miami Vice has the most hilarious sex scene in it. It was a truly, truly bad film. And ignore PenileStructures rants about fascism. It comes from a skewed perspective. When he says that every totallitarian regime was from the left that's only because he stands somewhere to the right of Ghengis Khan. He is truly a horrible, horrible person.
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any film with a line like "honest to blog" cannot be well written. That's just psuedo-trendiness written by someone with no understanding of the culture being written about. Bad writing.
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I really cannot believe that Paul Dano (also in Little Miss Sunshine) didn't get the nomination for best supporting actor. Fuck, he deserves the win, not only the nomination. I really can't believe that they'd do that to him.
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if that film wins anything ill be pissed.... its not an original idea, there was a korean film called jenni and juno or something like that in 2005 and golly-gee it had the same exact plot. IMDB or google it......it may be a great film but i get irked when its called original, and when the writer says its based on her youth when she was innocent...i think the only thing that intrigued the studio when picking this movie to be made was the fact that the writer was a stripper for a year and her name is diablo...
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Tell me little Node, did you think TWBB was one of the best movies of the year before you even saw it? Thought so. Maybe in a few years time, like with The Departed, you scummy fanboys will have the benefit of hindsight and see what a deplorably average film TWBB was. Day Lewis is a total ham throughout the film, as usual. The guy is an awful actor, sorry, he is. He ACTS! And he does a John Huston impersonation! Wow, what a performance. And hey, when he starts yelling in the church he sounds not like Daniel Plainview but like Daniel Day Lewis. I guess Day Lewis had no audio of Huston yelling, or he could have impersonated that. I'll admit the first 30 minutes or so were quite good, but then the movie tanks. Boring and uninvolving. And a character study? Please, just, please, don't embarrass yourselves. The movie was not complex, it was not interesting, it was not detailed. Comes nowhere close to being as good as Assassination of Jesse James. Now THAT is a character study, not vapid shit like TWBB.
Industry Killer! - Heat better than Miami Vice? Nope, sorry dude. And Collateral? Please tell me you're joking. The only Mann film better than Miami Vice is Thief, and only by a hair.
And Node, please keep it up. I just LOVE the fact that you passionately defend a movie made for 14 year old girls in junior high. Says so much about you, your intellect, your taste or lack thereof. Classic stuff, douchebag.
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Since when did reality have a skewed perspective? You're so far to the Left that you think anything to the right of you is fascism.
The Nazis were ardent socialists (hence the term “National socialism”). They believed in free health care and guaranteed jobs. They confiscated inherited wealth and spent vast sums on public education. They purged the church from public policy, promoted a new form of pagan spirituality, and inserted the authority of the state into every nook and cranny of daily life.
The Nazis declared war on smoking, supported abortion, euthanasia, and gun control. They loathed the free market, provided generous pensions for the elderly, and maintained a strict racial quota system in their universities—where campus speech codes were all the rage. The Nazis led the world in organic farming and alternative medicine. Hitler was a strict vegetarian, and Himmler was an animal rights activist.
Do these striking parallels mean that today’s Libs are genocidal maniacs, intent on conquering the world and imposing a new racial order? Not at all. Yet it is hard to deny that modern progressivism and classical fascism shared the same intellectual roots.
You could argue, but you'd be wrong. -
Nice rebuttal. You continually show a complete lack of intelligence on any and all issues brought up. You've got nothing, and prove it time and time again. What pisses you off, my taste in film or the fact I completely destroyed your political postion?
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Miami Vice is a better film than Heat. Heat, considered one of the best genre films ever made, is a lesser film than Miami Vice. And with it pissed any ounce of credibility he will ever had, what little that may have been.
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I really don't want to get into it, cause I do love Heat, but it is a severely flawed movie. Some really bad casting of supporting roles. Ridiculous plot holes like Waingro's involvement in the crew, and Val Kilmer not getting caught at the end. All of Ashley Judd's scenes are awful and boring. Diane Venora is an awful actress. Amy Brenneman is gross. I could go on all day about the flaws and myriad of boring scenes and sequences in that film. Also, DeNiro dies, which is ridiculous. Tough, tough movie to sit through once you've seen it a bunch of times. Miami Vice and Thief are just better movies.
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Nice how you don't care enough to respond to me, yet keep responding to me. Again, indicative of your lack of intellect and complete lack of consistency. And BTW, it's could NOT care less. fucking douche. English is your friend, remember that!
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Living off of her rep.
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It's not a spelling or grammatical error, it's a language error, one that I gather would not be corrected by a proofread. Hence, you're a douchebag.
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literally just called Juno "This year's 'Little Miss Sunshine'"
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men. What an extraordinary piece of work. The skill of the editing, the acting, the screenplay, The scene in the hotel where Bardem and Brolin arrive at the same time was something else and that shoot out. Bardem was magnificent. That scene where he walks into the shop and threathens the guy with the coin toss was some of the best acting I have seen in a very long time.
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Blood. I was not impressed. Pretty (yet meaningless) photography, grandiose (yet writerish) dialogue, over-the-top acting by Lewis and Spano, violence, and humor? masked an otherwise and yet another soulless film from PTA. Why was the audience I was with laughing every 10 minutes? Was I watching a comedy or a drama? I prefer No Country for Old Men for Oscars. It is wittiererer, clevererer, suspensefuller, more experimental in its experimentation, more meaningfuller. DD Lewis was better in Gangsters of New York, New York, imo...
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was the only reason to watch gangs of New York. if you think leo can act I suggest you watch the scene in Gangs where, leo is in bed and Day lewis comes in and sits in the rocking chair draping himsself in the stars and stripes and the camera pulls in to Bill the buthcers face as he talks. that wasnt just a scene it was a masterclass in acting.
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