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Is Ryan Gosling The New Jack Ryan?!
Hey, everyone. ”Moriarty” here.
And honestly, is the character really that rich and interesting that we’re now looking at the fourth actor playing him in the franchise?
I like HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER. I like parts of CLEAR & PRESENT DANGER and a few moments in PATRIOT GAMES. I dig SUM OF ALL FEARS. I don’t mind the Jack Ryan films in general, but I also don’t live in constant anticipation of when I might be lucky enough to see one again.
The news that Paramount is rebooting the series again with Gosling starring is... well... I guess it all comes down to them making a good movie that makes me give a shit. The fact that this is based on...
Actually, go read the story over at Moviehole, who were originally reporting that Philip Noyce was going to reunite with Harrison Ford on this one before Noyce contacted them to sort things out.
GOSLING is new JACK RYAN, not Ford!
Philip Noyce himself tells us that neither he or Harrison Ford are returning to the Jack Ryan series - but a new Jack Ryan movie is in the works... and it'll star Ryan Gosling.
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who cares!
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yep i said it
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I quite like Affleck despite the shit everyone gives him, so I would be quite happy seeing either him, Ford or that guy who hits Kim Basinger back in the role. I suppose re-casting again won't really hurt, but I'm not yet convinced Gosling is right for the part, but we'll see.
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Every motherfuckin time I try to sign into this goddamn site, my motherfuckin password gets rejected! And the I have to get you fucknuts to e-mail me so I can log the fuck in! And this takes motherfuckin time! You just cost me a first post! I could have been cool! But all my friends think I'm a loser now! You suck whale tits!
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I'm just a little emotional today. Gosling is so dreamy....
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Who the hell is anticipating ANYTHING with Ryan Gosling in it? Whatever executive thought this move up should be fired.
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WTF is going on? Hunt For Red October and Clear and Present Danger were great old-school thrillers. Patriot Games was ok, if a bit undercooked. Sum of All Fears was diluted post-9/11 and Affleck was crapola in the part. Can't believe Moriarty likes Sum over Danger. Madness.
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They try to re-invent the series, while they could have made some real cool cold-war thrillers. They should've left the story of Sum of All Fears alone, instead of making it politically correct (although it would've been funny if a group of neo-nazis stood up and complained about them being the bad guys...), but they should have followed Hunt For Red October with Cardinal of the Kremlin - a more or less direct sequel to October. Now there is this mixed bag of movies (Clear and Present Danger was quite good, but Patriot Games blew, except for Sean Bean - he was bad-ass). Sum of all Fears was, like I said, too watered down. And the Moviehole article says something about Red Rabbit, by far the weakest of all the Ryan novels, in my opinion.
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The Bear and The Dragon (which followed up the solid Executive Orders)- what a disappointing piece of crap that was.
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who plays Jack Ryan. Good story and effects are all that's needed. It's not that big of an icon that character.
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Bring back Alec Baldwin. Size matters.
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This is further proof that the Ryan franchise has been completely mis-handled from day one. Here was a real chance to create a new and fresh franchise to compete with the likes of James Bond for a new generation. Instead it's been decimated. The Hunt for Red October was sold as a Sean connery film, despite his late casting, almost overlooking the fact that Alec Baldwin was playing 'the lead' role of Ryan. His perfornmance remains the stand-out incarnation of Ryan as far as I'm concerned: young, dynamic and convincing as a young analyst. Too bad that Baldwin was turned over my the producers when it came to the follow up. Patriot Games had so much potential and it sucked due to the decision to replace Baldwin with Harrison Ford. Nothing personal, byt you're Indiana Jones or Han Solo, not a 35 year old analyst. The picture was a bunch of cliches parading as entertainment and it ruined the book. the rationale for replacing Baldwin has ALWAYS been vague and it was simply unforgivable. Ford may have been a bigger name, but at some point Hollywood needs to invest in a new generation of actors or we'll eventually have Clint Easwood playing the role of teenagers.
The interpretation of Clear and Present Danger was an improvement, but only because they aged the character in line with Ford's casting. Surely this is not the way to make a movie? The end of the film was also very different from the book, but at least the intent was there. Unlike the Sum of All Fears...
For years Cardinal was being touted as the next movie, although with its Cold War themes of the Reagan SDI plan, it was always going to be an interesting job of updating the storyline. When Ford bailed and the decsion was made to re-imagine the story (again) with Ben Afleck inthe Ryan role, it was another case of poor judgement by the producers. A film that was probobly alwatys going to struggle was doomed by the events of 9/11, but even so, the lack of confidence in the series was demonstrated by the hiatus that has been in place since SOAF was released. News that Ryan is to be played by yet another actor is sadly predictable and lamentable. It is final proof that this once promising franchise really is past redemption. Alas, the producers appear to be 'Without Remorse". -
Is Gosling going to bring all those uber-annoying mannerisms of his to the Jack Ryan character? Ugg. Fucking painful...
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bland, forgettable, somewhat entertaining, formulaic, unoriginal, little personality, some cute moments = perfect for killing idle moments.
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Ryan is one of the best actor out there. I like him.
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Affleck wasn't an awful choice I thought, but the character is hardly any good without the Cold War or his vulnerable family at stake. I'd have gone for Edward Norton if I wanted a real "actor" for the role however.
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both were great reads and even though Patriot Games was set before October I had little problem with the movie. I liked Baldwin fine, but that slow burn on Ford's face with his girl in the hospital and his subsequent verbal assault of Richard Harris in the bar get me every time. I love October, Games and Danger. hey all freakin rule.
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Jan 21, 2008 8:04:27 AM CST
that should be They all freakin rule
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
"I will fucking destroy you. I will make it my mission in life."
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I know that sounds cheesy as fuck, but I'm a sucker for a love story that involvs the underdog male getting the girl over the rich guy. Eventhough this doesn't happen in real life, it's still fun to see it happen on film. Anyways, Gosling is a very good actor. I'm all for him getting this role.
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except Affleck.
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Try the Lindo brand.
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Sum of All Fears was done filming before 9/11. They changed the story because they stupidly thought arabs couldnt get their hands on nuclear weapons.
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Ryan Gosling leaves Peter Jackson's soon to be modern classic - THE LOVELY BONES to star in this shit! Harrison Ford will always be Jack Ryan to me.
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It was the filmic equivalent of a lazy telemovie, and a monumentally dull and boring one at that, and Affleck was completely miscast as Ryan. And yeah, strictly speaking Ford was a little old to be playing Ryan, but at least he had gravitas in the role, unlike the utterly bland Baldwin in Red October (a film that I nevertheless quite enjoyed). Personally I liked Red October and Patriot Games, and thought that Clear & Present Danger was first rate, and easily the best of the lot. Sum Of All Fears though, man, what a dog that film was. And this? Yeah, barely even piques my curiosity frankly, and as for Gosling as Ryan, while I doubt he'll be worse than Affleck, but I doubt he'll be much better either.
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ever since Sum of All Fears I could really care less.
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Jan 21, 2008 8:59:37 AM CST
Come up with their own story? Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
by diagnostic
Call it The Incredible Jack Ryan. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha. Or Jack Ryan Begins. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha. The Jack Ryan Identity. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha. Episode I : Return of Ryan.
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Jack Ryan isn't James Bond. He isn't Jason Bourne. He isn't exciting or dashing or fearless, or any of that stuff. He's a desk-jockey. He's an academic. He's a nerd. That's what makes him interesting. Ryan Gosling should be able to capture that. He can find the quiet bookworm genius who gets caught up in events that are way over his head and manages to prevail because he's studied the strategic and tactical THEORY required to carry the day. Affleck was a bad choice to play Ryan - too charismatic. I wasn't even very happy about Harrison Ford, but he pulled it off in Patriot Games (but he was too much of a hero in CAPD). Alec Baldwin did it really well. I love the way his character would bluff his way through situations.
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... one good thing about the Sum of All Fears was that it was so ripe for Gay-Porn parody, as in The Sum of All Rears starring Ben Asslick. It seems that Osama Bin Trannie was trying to corner the world dildo market... I'm not making this up!!!
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Make it a period piece and set it during the Cold War. Enough time has passed since the Berlin Wall fell that it's not inappropriate to start exploring the period on film with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.
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Yawn, indeed.
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and I thought the '89-'90 Baldwin resembled Ryan Gosling, or vice versa, especially around the eyes. But in this day and age who cares about Tom Clancy, besides Rush Limbaugh?
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Wonder which of the books left would be most suitable for a film?
Red Rabbit would be the most obvious choice, a plot to kill the pope can be modernised to any pope.
Cardinal of the Kremlin is a bit too old school I would've thought.
All the rest feature Jack Ryan as much older, unless they use The Teeth and the Tiger, which features Jack Ryan Jr. -
I second No More Dirty Jokes. The Irish bar scene with Richard Harris and Harrison Ford (along with a pre-famous Sam Jackson) is great stuff. A psychotic Sean Bean is always appreciated, James Earl Jones lent his gravitas to his scenes, the satellite kill-squad sequence at CIA was well-directed, the soundtrack fits the grim mood of the movie perfectly, and bonus points for Thora Birch's unaffected performance. Patriot Games is a very good movie.
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So count your blessings.
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Because they are either outdated or bad.
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Follow the link to the other site, they state that the new movie is not going to be based on a Clancy book but on a new story. We all saw how The Sum Of All Fears sucked because it departed from the original concept. One of the best literary spys since James Bond, Travis Smiley or Jason Bourne and they seem to want to make the movies lame every time. Clancy deserves better.
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Half Nelson, anyone? That aside, this film's so off my radar it's not even a blip.
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is the only TRUE Ryan film in my opinion, Alec pulled off the nerdy, out of his league over his head quality that it needed, McT (it was a McT film right, I can't remember off the top of my head) shot is beautifully, Connery was great, the whole film just worked for me. If they really wanted to do something strange, do Teeth of the Tiger with Ryan G as Jack Jr., ignore Red Rabbit, which isn't bad but it's just one of these "remember when" episodes of Ryan's life that is never mentioned up to that point, it worked for Clark in Without Remorse because Clark was so seeped in the shadows, in October everyone kept refering to the incident with the Irish Terrorists, etc so it was set up perfectly for Pat. GamesReally my only beef with HFRO is that they made Cathy british in that, and according to the commentary it was because the stuido belived that the auidence wouldn't think that he was flying from Britan to England
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As long as Philip Noyce is no longer involved the series stands a chance of getting better again. "Red October" was so damn great and "Patriot Games" was a SNOOZER!!
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Sum of All Fears fuckin sux! i haven't seen patriot games but red october and clear & present are both ok....not sure how i feel about gosling as jack ryan....seems weird.
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I thought he made a kick-ass Clark. Much better than that Liev Schrieber character. "Clear & Present" movie of the series. Personally, I'd like to see a "Rainbow Six" movie.
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After reading the Moviehole report that the studio is doing this without Tom Clancy's involvement at all, I don't buy that Gosling would be willing to do it. I don't mind a Jack Ryan story that isn't based on a book, but at the very least it should be written with Tom Clancy's input! Maybe I give Gosling too much credit (I'm a bit of a Canuck fan-boy), but I doubt he'd sign on with so many red flags indicating it's a studio-driven crap-fest.
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videogame franchises, so how about a flick based on Rainbow Six. A squad based rescue mission along the lines of old school Alistair McLean....
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Meant to say "Clear & Present" is my favorite flick of the series. I'm sure you all care!
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alec baldwin is the only good jack ryan. he should never have turned down the series for that meg ryan thing. harrison ford is an excellent indiana jones; but was terrible in the role of ryan. while i appreciate ben affleck for 'changing lanes' and his direction of 'gone, baby, gone'; he was also a terrible jack ryan. ryan gosling- i dunno. not thrilled by him. he's an excellent actor. but, most of the films he's in are terrible. it's like, he's good. but, the films he's in suffer from his participation. if you know what i mean. he hasn't been in a good film, yet. but, he's a good actor. it's weird. so, let's wait and see.
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Jeez this does not sound good.... Will Gosling be a sensitive and crying Jack Ryan who thinks everyone is out to get him and the world is unfair and bad??? Bring back Afleck. he was good and Sum of All Fears was good overall. Let Afleck direct it too.
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And he still looks like a little boy. Why the hell do all the american born leading men seem like perpetual kids and the only actors who seem to be able to hold a candle to the leading men of the past seem to come from Australia or Great Britain? Why don't we have our own Clive Owen, Russel Crowe, or Christian Bale?
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It should be like "Chuck."
Yes, I'm joking.
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This kid just does not come across as Jack Ryan, a man who will one day be president. At least Alex, Harrison and Ben you could kinda see them as the president at about middle age. The best thing about The Sum Of All Fears was Liev Schriber's John Clarke.
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Seriously, who is Jack Ryan? He is a white CIA agent in a conservative suit with combed hair who does what's right with no style, no humour, no attitude, no nothing. I can't think of any actor who couldn't play Jack Ryan, this character has been the star of four movies I've seen and I don't feel like I know the guy at all.You think of guys like Dirty Harry, James Bond, John McClane, Batman, Indiana Jones, Rambo etc. and these guys all have distinct personalities even when played by different actors, and they all have recognizable types of plots you expect from them. But Jack Ryan? This guy can be anything and do anything and it wouldn't seem out of place unless it was actually somehow original or stylish.If you want me to care, get Nick Cage as Jack Ryan and get John Woo to write and direct some crazy spy plot. I'll care about that.But ten bucks says some Len Wiseman type gets brought on to direct and we get another Sum of All Fears style movie that just feels like a longer more international C.S.I. episode.
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That's what I wanna see!
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They should've done a two movie deal with Debt of Honor and Executive Orders. Or just make Red Storm Rising into a movie.
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Or from her perspective, after a few times, he wasn't new anymore. It's Hollywood, babe!
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Some producer bought a spec script when he was really high, and in the cold light of day he realizes it is a second-rate spy thriller obviously ripped off from Clancy. He sits in despair, he has wasted $350,000 he didn't have. To console himself he puts on the TV, where The Notebook is playing and takes his first coke of the day... Suddenly it hits him, "I'm a fucking genius" he declares... Then he goes and anally rapes the pool boy before having lunch with his mother...
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Jan 21, 2008 12:10:38 PM CST
Some things in here don't react well to bullets
by stereotypical evil archer
The Penis Mightier
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But it'd cost eleven bajillion dollars and most of it would go missing.
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The "techno-thrillers" were great for their time, but the Jack Ryan character is horribly dated now. Also, the books really got boring after "Clear and Present Danger." I didn't see SUM OF ALL FEARS and I don't think I missed anything.
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Tired of recasting / reboot frenzy.
Fat Alec Baldwin chasing down his fatter Crackier brother Daniel (as a rouge agent, or more likely a non-descript politically unoffensive (unless you happen to be Eastern European) Former Soviet Block , eurotrash , tracksuit wearing gangster-terrorist. -
It'll be gritty and 'real'. I'm not saying that that's bad per se, I dig the Bourne series and kind of liked Casino Royale, it's just I hate to see studios copy catting whatever's 'so hot right now'. That'll be 4 Jack Ryans in 5 movies now. That's pretty shitty.
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and their idiotic article about Ryan Gosling.
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"Without Remorse", followed by "Rainbow Six", please. Schrieber as Clark and John Leguizamo as Ding Chavez.
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I'll take "Debt Of Honor" followed by "Executive Orders", please. Put Alec Baldwin back in as Ryan, Nicole Kidman as Cathy Ryan, Mel Gibson as John Clark and John Leguizamo as Ding Chavez.
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I would love anything with (Liev Schriber's) John Clark. Hell, the book Rainbow Six could be turned into a TV series, the book has enough in there to do a whole year. From the assembly of the team to them constantly being tested by the bad guys to the kid being born, Australia, it goes on, there's enough in there for a whole year of shows. Plus I wanna see Liev play his Clark against some cool young Ding.
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May be the gayest sentence I have ever read.
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Seriously. The dude's awesome.
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I love the Tom Clancy books. I didn't see Sum of All Fears because it strayed way off from the book. If you want to impress me do a movie on Rainbow Six. After 9/11 you know they won't make Executive Orders. Too bad because the book was great. Whatever the book before Executive Orders was, something to do with the Japanese, and trying to sabotage our economy, it was not the strongest Clancy book. I want to see the origin of Clark, so get working on Without Remorse. I don't care if it was set in Vietnam. You know movie producers would do something stupid, and switch it to the Gulf War anyway.
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He always felt like a more accessible, North-Americanized Bond for the people. My big problem with the series now, though, is the revolving door of actors playing the part. I wish they'd pick someone and sign them to a three picture deal so at least we have some continuity, and the audience can get a chance to warm up to the different take on the character each actor brings. Let's hope that, if this is true and Gosling is the next heir, he sticks around long enough to make me care.
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What I don’t understand is why even call him Jack Ryan? They think that will bring in a “fan base” even though there’s no Tom Clancy involvement, and Sum of All Fears was truly awful (seriously Moriarty, what are you thinking)? How could this be anything but a derivative, mediocre re-hash of James Bond and Jason Bourne? I can see it now, “but Jack Ryan is an everyman type hero” – yeah right. By the end he’ll be shooting people, or dismantling a large bomb, or killing a helicopter with a car.
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But I actually think Ryan Gosling would have been a good Jack Ryan in the earlier movies.
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Everybody acts like he's the second coming, but to me he plays like Sean Penn, Jr. In fact, everything I see him in feels like like he's just emulating Penn's style. We already have a Sean Penn out there over-acting up a storm. We don't need this guy, any more than we need Ben Foster running around copping mannerisms from Brad Dourif and being declared a great young actor for it. Somebody needs to let these kids know that being "intense" and "manic" does not equal giving a rich, well-executed performance.
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I thought he broke up with Sandra Bullock?
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Gosling blew the Rachel McAdams thing by constantly jumping out of bed just before climaxing and tossing off on the balcony, just like Sean Penn on the cliff in U-TURN. Then he would come back to bed and start singing "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" like I AM SAM.
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Who gives a fuck who plays his stupid ass characters?
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Hollywood fucks itself in its own ass. Who the fuck wants to see this fuck wit as Ryan? Here's a hint, make a movie that actually comes close to what the books are about and we'll give a shit. Sum of All Fears was garbage.
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GREAT choice for Ding, Liev already proved his badassedness in Patriot games.... now those are two characters that could be really fleshed out. I'll pay for that.
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of all time. Easily in my top 25. Well shot, acted, directed, scored, written, and a genuinely exciting movie. It also has infinite rewatchability.
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Bourne turned out to be a HUGE hit (who knew?) so the studios are all salivating to mimic that success.
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At least that one's more topical.
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This was such a great novel, thanks to the team-up with Larry Bond. RSR had a great array of characters, no supermen, just great military adventures. Check out YouTube for a fan-made RSR trailer. youtubedotcom/watch?v=qWE3Zho91aA
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that book was so awesome and the movie sucked so badly it was like literary rape!
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alec balwain's finest performance. straight laced analyst, but unhinged in all the right ways. i felt like i was going on this journey with him. really well made. sean connery is great. yeah, yeah, i know. he's a scot playing a russian. but, he's great anyway. he shlipped on his tea. classic. and, the transition from russian to english was quite elegant. it's also quite clever in it's storytelling. a career high for john mctiernan. it really makes me sad for the rest of the films. they had a great thing going. really could've been a new sort of bond series. but, instead, they turn them into brain dead 'action' films. and, by the way, alonzo mozley- yer awesome.
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AWFUL MOVIE!! who knew harrison ford could be so bland? well, we all know now...
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Ford just didn't fit right for the part. He looked old, and his Jack Ryan movies were dull.
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His choices post Notebook have been relatively obscure but full of quality. If heading back mainstream why not go a bit further and pick something with real pedigree. The Christian Bale model so to speak. Where Affleck has been none should follow !
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Jan 21, 2008 7:52:31 PM CST
So Sum of All Fears was a reboot, and that rebooted the series f
by demosthenes2
just that movie before another reboot?! Haha. That's pretty funny.
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...the FINGER OF DOOM?!
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I could easily forget Alec Baldwin was in _Hunt For Red October_. That movie *was* about Connery. The book was about Jack Ryan, but in the Same way that Stephen King hates _The Shining_, we get to have a BETTER movie that the original author hates. Who cares. Clancy writes good novels, but he doesn't (wouldn't )write good screenplays.
As CreasyBear and NoMokeJokes said
Harrison Ford brings amazing depth to _Patriot Games_ and IMHO *especially* to _Clear and Present Danger_. I can't tell you the last thriller I watch where I left the theater feeling so satisfied.
Tom Clancy doesn't even get the significance of his own scenes. He has jack Ryan *lie* to congress about the presence of troops. In the Book Ryan knows full well there are troops there. In the Movie, Noyce showed extraordinary wisdom in changing that scene ( and the timing of the reveal that there are indeed troops ) against Clancy's wishes so that Ryan is speaking what he believes to be true. This is not to turn him into a boyscout. It's to make the remainder of the movie MEAN something. He goes down into the jungle to take responsibility. He goes there to rescue people our government has abandoned, not to save his own ass. And Ford plays this character with such thoughtful grace. I love the scene where he is in the jungle sticking out like a sore thumb, stumbling down the hill. He is not the agent he used to be, but he still shows he is a force to be reckoned with. That is a mature, subtle, believable drama. -
Ryan goes from being likeable agent guy, to who gives a crap agent guy in the next movie.
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Why the hell would you make a Jack Ryan film and not at least have it 'related to' one of Clancy's books. How did they manage to get the rights to use the character without his approval? If they DID get approval, why the hell did he approve it? What's this dude's problem? They might as well make a Splinter Cell movie, if they really need to do Tom Clancy material.
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"Clear and Present Danger" and Harrison Ford as an actor, but honestly, I felt that he bumbled around and was kind of a doof in that film. He seemed so clumsy and not very sure-footed, at least, not until the very end. Kind of awkward, if you ask me. Just FWI - after reading "Without Remorse," I always thought that had they made a film out of it in the mid to late 90s, George Clooney would have made a good Mr. Clark.
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When I was a wee lad I watched Hunt for Red October about three hundred and eighty times. Casting, score, direction, it was all awesome. My favorite naval warfare movie ever. Patriot Games was a very different movie but cool in its own ways. But it's kind of over now. Who is Ryan Gosling?
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Jan 22, 2008 7:02:11 AM CST
Some other scenes in Patriot games I love
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
The attempted murder of Patrick Bergin scored to Enya(still gives me shivers), from where Ford leaves the Academy till the car crash(absolutely perfect action and thriller beats), oh yeah THE ENTIRE KICKASS ENDING.
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Jack Ryan in that film is supposed to be getting older, not being in the field, being a little out of touch. Notice how he doesn't think to be careful when arriving at the airport in Columbia. He's out of touch, and unprepared, it's a subtle message about of our government in a way, and a reminder that Jack Ryan is growing old ( This ties in with Grier dying in the beginning rather well ). Eventually he gets back in his groove, but he's still more of an everyman ( who happens to have CIA training ) in this film. He was somewhat this way in Patriot games too, recall. He was "retired" and was becoming a family man. The main difference here is that Ford is getting older too, and why hide that fact when you can incorporate it into your character.
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Wait a minute -- unless it was all absolute publicity bullshit (always a very possible thing given this is Hollywood we are talking about!), wasn't the whole POINT of casting Affleck so that you COULD reboot the series and now have a newer, steadier, younger guy in the role? Not to mention, wasn't CLANCY HIMSELF the one who was saying how much he HATED Harrison Ford in the role and that he LOVED the choice of Affleck? That Affleck was the one that most fit his vision?Ahh, who cares? All of the movies have gotten progressively worse since RED OCTOBER which is still the only really good movie of the bunch. The others have spots of fun to them, but RED is the only actually consistent GOOD movie the Ryan series has managed to generate. So when you're 1-3, I think it's time to hang up any hopes that people will actually give a shit about this movie franchise.
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Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan Babies- hilarious dude.
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