Jan. 19, 2008, 8:52 p.m. CST
Jan. 19, 2008, 8:54 p.m. CST
by the podosphere
Jan. 19, 2008, 8:54 p.m. CST
by the podosphere
michael pitt not so bad either
Jan. 19, 2008, 9:01 p.m. CST
Didn't see the original so I'm pumped.
Jan. 19, 2008, 9:03 p.m. CST
Remember John Grisham's crusade against Natural Born Killers, or Bill O'Reilly's crusade against, well, everything? I wonder if this will stir up as much controversy (despite the fact that it's a remake).
Jan. 19, 2008, 9:04 p.m. CST
Why, why, why would I want to see this? I mean, aside from the brilliant Mike Pitt, who was so good in 'Dreamers,' why would I see this? Sadistic tripe, from the trailer.
Jan. 19, 2008, 9:06 p.m. CST
Who enjoys tripe?
Jan. 19, 2008, 9:15 p.m. CST
by C Legion
I don't live in the US, so have no idea what bogus "Code" I have to type in to watch this.
Jan. 19, 2008, 9:18 p.m. CST
Doesn't work, no matter what I enter.
Jan. 19, 2008, 9:32 p.m. CST
...the same as an R-rated clip that was released along with the original trailer, but still cool. Cannot freakin wait to see this movie.
Jan. 19, 2008, 9:36 p.m. CST
Put in Dick Tracy then everything that's close to my info. Then I tried putting my zip and it still wouldn't work. This is so f'ing stupid.
Jan. 19, 2008, 9:48 p.m. CST
This never works for me when I enter my real name, so instead I enter a common Mexican name. Works every time. And this movie looks like it's inspired by 'A Clockwork Orange'.
Jan. 19, 2008, 10:01 p.m. CST
Got it to work and thats all there is to it.
Jan. 19, 2008, 10:01 p.m. CST
I've seen the original and the remake (Haneke showed it when he visited here at Boston U). The reason for the shot-for-shot remake is that the original was meant as a condemnation of the kind of filmic violence more prevalent in the U.S. Haneke never thought an American company would be interested in the story, but he was proven wrong. Since we were ostensibly his "target" audience, he was happy to recreate the film for America. And it's a very clever film. But it says something in a way that Joe Average isn't going to understand. And the message is one that the rest of us who understand film and narrative and whatever already know. And he says it in a way that's very assholey.
Jan. 19, 2008, 10:35 p.m. CST
Fuck U AICN. Let me watch the damn trailer.
Jan. 19, 2008, 10:50 p.m. CST
George Bush July 6 1946 Zip: 20006 Works fine.
Jan. 19, 2008, 10:52 p.m. CST
I'm not excited to watch more long static shots with wooden acting. Fuck Michael Haneke. His films would be a lot better if they were directed by someone else who knows when to change the fucking shot.
Jan. 19, 2008, 11:20 p.m. CST
I'm fuckin 28..... what a waste of time.....
Jan. 20, 2008, 12:34 a.m. CST
El Mariachi was remade and called Desperado, of course it was in english, new actors and the story was changed a bit. Well obviously the reason Rodriguez remade it was because he had a bigger budget and very few saw the original. I figure the director of Funny Games thought he could make his original version even better now. Does it matter though? Who the fuck saw Funny Games? I just heard about it tonight for the first time its so famous.
Jan. 20, 2008, 1:23 a.m. CST
I freaked out a LOT of friends with the original. Even though most didn't like reading subtitles.<p> This is the SAME MOVIE --- looks like the same SETS, SAME SHOTS. That's not a CRIME, but WOW. <p> HOW much work did the guy have to even DO on this?
Jan. 20, 2008, 1:27 a.m. CST
yeah, she's WAY hotter than the mom in the original
Jan. 20, 2008, 1:57 a.m. CST
by otm shank
You take your woman to see this and she will be all over you........you know...right after she stops shaking and crying uncontrolably. Christ! what a pile of shit!
Jan. 20, 2008, 3:01 a.m. CST
do us all a favour and skip the brain dead age verification form.
Jan. 20, 2008, 3:03 a.m. CST
Too easy, too manipulative. The narrative is completely shot. Other films can earn this kind of feeling by sticking to an actual narrative. It's cheating, plain and simple. Cut and dry.
Jan. 20, 2008, 3:20 a.m. CST
Finally got it to work. George Bush, what a guy!
Jan. 20, 2008, 4:25 a.m. CST
Just use George Bush July 6th 1946 zip 20500
Jan. 20, 2008, 5:13 a.m. CST
I'm all for R-Rated trailers, but let's not show all the deaths, thank you. I was going to see it after seeing the regular trailer tonight with the Orphanage (fantastic movie, btw). Now...not so much.
Jan. 20, 2008, 5:40 a.m. CST
you twat. maybe some folks aint seen the original.
Jan. 20, 2008, 5:56 a.m. CST
by Motoko Kusanagi
sucks. Not exciting at all and heavy spoilers. I mean, what the frack? Why should I watch this when I already know who dies?<p>Btw, the original is boring as hell.
Jan. 20, 2008, 5:59 a.m. CST
by Motoko Kusanagi
I'm 29 and couldn't see it, so I had to turn to glorious YouTube. What a waste of time.
Jan. 20, 2008, 7:24 a.m. CST
There's a surprise.
Jan. 20, 2008, 7:31 a.m. CST
Leave it up to Harry and the boys to over-hype a sub-par flick, making it sound like its the second coming of Cecil B Demille.
Jan. 20, 2008, 8:04 a.m. CST
I hope i can take friends to this and they can enjoy this version exactly as much as i enjoyed the original.
Jan. 20, 2008, 8:44 a.m. CST
Not everyone has a zip code, brainiacs. Worst. Idea. Ever.
Jan. 20, 2008, 8:58 a.m. CST
Jan. 20, 2008, 9:07 a.m. CST
No, really, it's not a bad film at all. I don't think Harry et al are overhyping it. It's very clever. About something that all smart fans of narrative film already understand and kind of cop to. red_weed, you must be a masochist. That's the only reason to sit through the virtual brow-beating one gets from this. Or perhaps you're a choir who likes being preached to. As for a body count or death spoilers, there's really, honestly no reason to get upset about it. This is NOT a horror film, it's BARELY a thriller. It's a message movie parading as a thriller. And the message is about screen violence and narrative manipulation. Done in a ham-fisted way that condescends to those of us who already get it, and confuses the hell out of those who don't. Particularly the absolutely STUPID "rewinding" crappola.
Jan. 20, 2008, 9:12 a.m. CST
by dr sauch
I'm not a stickler about remakes, I don't think they're inherently bad. Give the remake a fucking chance, stop acting like YOU could have come up with original material, and get off your high horse. I mean, look at this cast, check out the look of the film, I can't wait to see this.
Jan. 20, 2008, 9:14 a.m. CST
Re-reading that post, it would seem that I say it's both a decent film and a ham-fisted, stupid one. I guess that confusion is how I feel about the film. It couches its message in a way that, IF you're not a student of film and/or narrative and IF you don't think much about screen violence and IF you get the way he's manipulating the audience, then it's quite brilliant. That being said, I get it. I got it. Many times over. In more entertaining films. Films that don't hammer me over the head with it.
Jan. 20, 2008, 9:29 a.m. CST
Keep getting "error: you must be 17..." even though my age and zip code are all correct. Using Firefox 2. Oh well.
Jan. 20, 2008, 9:52 a.m. CST
In other words, I'm fucked. Can't watch it.
Jan. 20, 2008, 10:05 a.m. CST
I read about the original and I saw a trailer a while back. <br><br> As God is my witness, I cannot conceive of anyone who isn't a film critic going to see this movie...at least of their own accord. A pair of teenagers hold a family hostage and <BR><BR> SPOILERS <BR><BR> kills them all. I can't help but think that anyone who goes to a movie like this expecting a fun night at the movies is either touched in the head or planning a few funny games of their own.
Jan. 20, 2008, 10:33 a.m. CST
by Chopper Sullivan
The "message" of this film equates to little more than a stern talking to about violence as entertainment. It's something that films like Last House on the Left or Henry accomplish much more successfully without all of the breaking the fourth wall artsy bullshit. As previous posters have said, those going in expecting a thriller will be confused and those expecting some deep message about film will be disappointed.
Jan. 20, 2008, 10:36 a.m. CST
The original trailer's use of "In the Hall of the Mountain King" was just downright excellent, but now we get... is that Marilyn Manson?! We go from Grieg to Manson, and get even more spoilers? Lame lame lame. I wholeheartedly support red band trailers, but in this one case... lame.
Jan. 20, 2008, 10:52 a.m. CST
This film is excellent, and get a grip with the random spoilage your dropping in your comments! Sometimes you need to go to the movies and see a film that aint scared to kick the shit out of you! This is that film, genius!! I hope they keep the german metal in it, best title sequence ever.
Jan. 20, 2008, 11:12 a.m. CST
In his mind. Pointless remake. Anyone who cares to watch his stuff already knows how to read subtitles.
Jan. 20, 2008, 1:23 p.m. CST
...in the lobby. And anyone who goes to see this should be forced to undergo a battery of tests to see just how fucked up they are.
Jan. 20, 2008, 1:36 p.m. CST
That warms my heart. I actually kind of like the original because it's a very effective and unsettling thriller. I like the static shots other people were complaining about, especially the one where she's just sitting there after they've apparently left and for a while you wonder if you are looking at a still photo.<p> But yeah, the message of the movie is bullshit. What an asshole. He has to lecture you about violent movies when he clearly doesn't understand why people watch them. He wants you to feel bad for getting excited when one of the victims commits a violent act, but he doesn't understand that you are excited not out of sadism, but because you want her to get away. When a movie like this works (and to me this one does) the audience is not rooting for violence, it's rooting for the characters to avoid the violence, to get away. So fuck you, Michael Haneke.<p> He's in the same camp as all the idiots who label every horror movie "torture porn" without knowing what the hell they're talking about, so please please please continue to put that label on this one. I want to see prude vs. prude debate with neither side understanding what the hell the other one is talking about. It's like AVP!<p> By the way, anybody see the earlier Haneke movie BENNY'S VIDEO? I know it's about a kid who kills after being inspired by a violent movie. Somewhere I read it was a video of animals being hurt or something but somebody else told me that the video is THE TOXIC AVENGER! If that's true I gotta see it and it will have to be a double feature with THE TOXIC AVENGER. So if anybody is familiar with it let me know. thanks.
Jan. 20, 2008, 1:40 p.m. CST
trailer didn't work for me either.
Jan. 20, 2008, 1:44 p.m. CST
George Bush July 6 1946 Zip: 20006 Worked for me!
Jan. 20, 2008, 1:45 p.m. CST
My advice is skip this one or its original (which is the same movie), and rent Man Bites Dog. It's a better movie on all levels and has a lot more to say about violence and voyeurism.
Jan. 20, 2008, 2:27 p.m. CST
by slappy jones
as a piece of film making I do like the original quite a lot. but the whole scolding people for watching violence whilst delivering a very violent movie is a little fucking cheeky.
Jan. 20, 2008, 3:05 p.m. CST
Jan. 20, 2008, 4:05 p.m. CST
again and again and again
Jan. 20, 2008, 4:25 p.m. CST
Sorry, didn't mean to say that you were one of the idiots that labels everything torture porn. Unless you are. I don't know you.<p> I didn't mean it as an attack on you, I just think Michael Haneke sorely deserves to have other people criticize his anti-violent-movie-movie for its violence. So thank you, keep it up.<p> And by the way it's pretty funny for a guy calling himself "Mr. Sinister" to make fun of a guy for having an ordinary first name. You must have alot of fun in your evil underground lair making fun of all the Daves and Kevins and Phils of the world. You and Mr. Sinisters 1 through 7380.<p> But I'm not trying to argue with you I'm just commenting on the movie. thanks.
Jan. 20, 2008, 4:57 p.m. CST
You must be new around here. Or you'd know that vern is a not a man to be trifled with. Not unless you want to end up looking even sillier than you already do.
Jan. 20, 2008, 5:06 p.m. CST
Il Douche is the chief law enforcement officer of the land. Just sayin'. <br><br> What is with the hardcore age verification? Can I just send in a copy of a tax return, or a small tissue sample instead?
Jan. 20, 2008, 5:28 p.m. CST
"...Mr. Sinisters 1 through 7380." Genius. And yet restrained. Tip of the hat to you, sir.
Jan. 20, 2008, 5:42 p.m. CST
I enjoyed it a lot, and will see this because it really all is about the acting and I am huge fans of both Watts and Roth, and it seems like they have Watts' character in underwear a lot more than the original character. I'm sure a lot of people are going to hate this film based on what the trailer made it look like, and I believe that's the point, and the commentary it is trying to make on violence and cinema. There's a scene with a remote control towards the end that is surely going to polarize the audience.
Jan. 20, 2008, 6:06 p.m. CST
Seriously, you bought, paid for, and returned MrSinister.
Jan. 20, 2008, 6:23 p.m. CST
he is from Austria(I am sure you never heard of it)and since I am from Germany I can just say:GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT MISTER!
Jan. 20, 2008, 6:45 p.m. CST
...Munich to be exact.
Jan. 20, 2008, 6:57 p.m. CST
you are NOT a German citizen if your parents are not from Germany.That is the case with Haneke,he is Austrian.Just wanted to clear that up for mr sinister.
Jan. 20, 2008, 7:02 p.m. CST
Jan. 20, 2008, 7:04 p.m. CST
whats your point?
Jan. 20, 2008, 7:04 p.m. CST
They forgots the droog masks and huge ceramic Cocksi woxies!?
Jan. 20, 2008, 7:17 p.m. CST
point you made there.You seem to have no idea what you are talking about.But if you stick to your Nazi theory you should explain it a little bit more then:"Austria=Nazi".Thats weak even for your standards.Try harder please.
Jan. 20, 2008, 7:22 p.m. CST
Are you saying his name isn't really Vern on the basis you don't happen to know any Verns? Or are you just calling him out because his name is Vern, which to you isn't "normal"? Whichever, you're acting like a cunting little git fucker and no doubt a totally unsociable, annoying, sad, lonely virgin basement-dweller in real life.
Jan. 20, 2008, 7:33 p.m. CST
<p>Haneke movie or you calling him a Nazi?I am not ashamed for nothing because I just live here.<p>You just run around calling some dude a Nazi who is not one and then have no facts to back it up.Your whole post above makes no sense,because I dont deny anything.<p>So again,TRY to make a point<p>
Jan. 20, 2008, 7:56 p.m. CST
Looks like you just made a random "all Germans are Nazi`s"post and now you cant come up with an apology.Thats sad.Good night.
Jan. 20, 2008, 8:06 p.m. CST
That whole exchange reminded me of that KITH song "Daves I Know".
Jan. 20, 2008, 8:30 p.m. CST
by Clancy Van Lustbader
I've met a lot of intellectuals in my time. Well, those that *presume* they are anyway. Almost exclusively they are smug, irritating assholes who believe that they have some sort of magic window into grasping the human condition noone else is privy to. From my experience most of them deserve to be kicked in the face. Maybe a more amusing, ironic film could be made about a bunch of self-declared intellectuals prattling on about violence and voyeurism over a dinner party before they all end up getting raped and murdered, partially devoured, or kicked in the face. What a stunning film that would be!
Jan. 20, 2008, 8:36 p.m. CST
Like Generation X, Road Rage, Air Rage, Flesh Eating Bacteria, Cybercrime, Cyberterror, Cyberpredator, Cyberbully, Alternative Music, Extreme Sports, etc. <p> Do you want to learn another media created word of dubious value that was probably coined by someone with an agenda opposed to your own for the purposes of labeling you? <p> My personal guess is the 'Torture Porn' was chosen for the sexual connotations to suggest that anyone who watched it was deviantly aroused by violence and therefore a potential serial killer. The activist judges are probably behind it.
Jan. 20, 2008, 9:34 p.m. CST
...promotional reasons by studios. The best example of this was Captivity which was actually reshot to fit the term torture porn in hopes of making more money. In some circles, torture porn is actually a reason to see the movie.
Jan. 20, 2008, 10:08 p.m. CST
Hahahahahahahaha! This reminds me of Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer. Something about natural blondes in their skivvies gettin' terrorized by choads in their own living rooms. Torture Porn is so not a real description of Hostel, or any of the other movies where people are brutally murdered and terrorized for sport. There was a brilliant BBC (I think it was BBC) doc about 'Snuff' pictures, and Eli Roth remarks about all the flicks that appear to be real 'Cannibal Holocaust' and 'SNUFF' to name two, which were just shot to LOOK like 'snuff' or 'torture porn'.<p>Very few people watch this kind of stuff and get aroused, and even then if the person gets aroused it could be that whole 'survival' gland going nuts watching depictions of dangerous situations. Thrill or terror causing the 'survival mechanism'.<p>This looks a little twisted, but I totally get where its coming from. The piece of music is overused, and it was nice to see someone go flying through the air from a shotgun blast.<p>Although, I've noticed that people barely flinch in tv and movies when shooting shotguns. As the bruised-shoulder recipient from a 10 gauge shooting sporting clays, shotguns are loud as fuck, and kick like 'It's Alive'.<p>But I digress, 'Torture Porn' sounds like a made up button phrase to kick those reactionary glands in the protesters to sell more tickets. I never saw the original of this, so I suppose I'm in for a treat. Right??
Jan. 20, 2008, 10:10 p.m. CST
They DID make that film...TWICE: Straw Dogs and Last House on the Left.
Jan. 20, 2008, 10:12 p.m. CST
In this op ed piece by David Edelstein of NY Magazine. <p> http://tinyurl.com/2vwnft <p> At least that's usually the first instance cited, and where most the debate started. His tone is condescending and suggests you feel a need to be a serial killer. Actually he pretty much comes right out and says that. <p> Some fans may have picked up the term and studios looking to generate buzz may drop it but still...read it and tell me what you think.
Jan. 20, 2008, 10:40 p.m. CST
New York City seems to have endowed the pretense-prone with a LOT of self-confidence. You can't just say things like 'this is this and that is that' and your explanation is your 'feelings'...But it was an OP-ed piece so, who in the hell really cares what this blowdry fucktard thinks about entertainment? I don't judge a flick until I SEE IT.<p>Yeah, these movies ratchet up the viscera to give horror flicks something that they haven't had since 'Scream' : versimilitude. Unless you're watching a home video, you're not 'scared', not really. It's to disturb and dredge up emotion, I'd guess.<p>But now, it seems Hollywood would rather just pluck elements of 'real' life and slap that on the screen without coming up with some original creeps and terrors.<p>I don't identify with the sick bastard in Wolf Creek, the whole time I'm watching thinking of why I wouldn't go off into the wild with Outback Jack and his rusty knife collection.<p>So, fuck the idiots who want to slap labels on shit, who want to censor what I can watch what I can say, or what I read...Fuck them, and I hope they grow the fuck up a little.<p>
Jan. 20, 2008, 10:59 p.m. CST
First you thing about Terminators rules and now this. I'm becoming your yes-man. <p> BTW I'll admit I had to look up the word 'micturating'...and I'm a little disturbed.
Jan. 21, 2008, 1:19 a.m. CST
That is some unintentionally funny shit, right there 'Is it fuck!'. Holy hell, that hit me right in my funny bone's dick. I've got tears streaming down my face, and the best part is I don't know what 'Is it fuck!' is supposed to be other than the three greatest words strung together in anger and frustration on the planet.<p>Skoob, my name is from a television show called 'The League of Gentlemen'. An episode of this show features Benjamin's uncle Harvey giving him a lesson on toads (which may or may not be correct) and then telling Benjamin to 'Micturate, Benjamin, micturate...pass water.' to which Benjamin replies, 'You want me to piss into a glass.' This scene made me love the show, and forced a DVD purchase of the entire series.<p>I don't need Yes Men, but thanks for the kudos, my brotha!
Jan. 21, 2008, 1:26 a.m. CST
There is a difference between people LAUGHING at YOUR WIT -- and SUCKING YOUR SACK. I say this because I am sure you've had no one do either to you.
Jan. 21, 2008, 2:12 a.m. CST
So my name sounds like a hardworking turnip farmer, your name sounds like a fat guy in a cape that smells like he hasn't washed it in a few months. Oh well, what's in a name anyway? You should check out FUNNY GAMES, I think you would like it. thanks buddy
Jan. 21, 2008, 2:19 a.m. CST
by Gwai Lo
He has been hard at work proving that Vern is an uncommon name and that Austrians are Nazis. That's a tough day's work for anyone.
Jan. 21, 2008, 2:30 a.m. CST
by Gwai Lo
Blast! Oh well, I saw the original, if it's a shot for shot I know what to expect.
Jan. 21, 2008, 3:12 a.m. CST
by Lost Jarv
I'm sick of this argument, but Pornography doesn't necessarily have to be sexually arousing. In the case of TP the label is fitting as the torture is gratuitous, unpleasant and frequently obscene. <p> As myself and Kloipy and others have argued for ages, if you remove the torture from certain of the TP films (Captivity and Hostel leaping to mind) the films have no reason for existing. <P>Funny Games is not TP, BTW.
Jan. 21, 2008, 4:24 a.m. CST
by Sir Penta jaye
...He's watched this Trailer 900 times :) Thank for the assist for us UK geeks. As to the trailer, it makes me quiezy and not in a good way.
Jan. 21, 2008, 4:40 a.m. CST
Yeah, but take the murder out of, say, PSYCHO and there's no reason for it to exist. That doesn't mean somebody's poppin a boner over Norman Bates's activities. I'm not a big HOSTEL fan but in those movies you're not supposed to be happy when they get tortured, you're supposed to be horrified. You're supposed to shrink in your seat and cover your eyes. Even those dipshits in the first one, you think "oh jesus, I hope that dipshit gets out of there." The thrill of most types of horror movies is in rooting for the heroes to get away. That includes HOSTEL, TEXAS CHAIN SAW MASSACRE, WOLF CREEK and FUNNY GAMES although I don't think Haneke knows it. He thinks we want to see violence and he wants to make us feel guilty about it.<p> One thing I don't understand is why all these people up in arms about horror movies don't seem to care about action movie violence anymore. Action movies are much more guilty of using death and mayhem for fun. We definitely enjoy watching people get shot or blown up in those movies. Of course I'm pro-action movie myself but it seems to me like if you're offended by horror movies you should want to start a fuckin riot over action movies. Maybe it's just because you can't tell what the fuck is going on in action movies anymore because of the editing and handheld cameras so it's too hard to know what to be offended by.
Jan. 21, 2008, 5:02 a.m. CST
by Motoko Kusanagi
...and I still need to hear about equaling Germany as Naziland? Man, I'm so fed up with this crap.<p>Can we talk about movies now? Thanks.
Jan. 21, 2008, 5:18 a.m. CST
by Lost Jarv
No- there is plenty of reason for Psycho to exist. I'd actually argue that if you took the shower scene out of psycho then the film functions as well. <p>Unlike, say, Hostel or Captivity- where the on-screen depiction of torture is essential for them to function. Even if you are rooting for the hero to escape (something I wasn't doing in Hostel- I was rooting for the end of the movie) you still need the on-screen depiction of torture. <p>I haven't seen Wolf Creek so do not know if the same is true there, but I wouldn't call TCM or Funny Games Torture Porn.
Jan. 21, 2008, 9:10 a.m. CST
Violence. Violence. Violence. Violence. Violence. Violence. Violence. Violence. Violence. Violence. Violence. Violence. Violence. Violence. Violence. Violence. Violence. Violence. Violence. that's all you people enjoy. evil, pure evil. suck it up.
Jan. 21, 2008, 10:21 a.m. CST
Jan. 21, 2008, 10:25 a.m. CST
"i don't need the gun, matrix!"
Jan. 21, 2008, 11:58 a.m. CST
it's not working for me, and I am 31.
Jan. 21, 2008, 12:03 p.m. CST
by Buster Gonads
Don't you have a system to check the age of those of us NOT in the US?
Jan. 21, 2008, 12:05 p.m. CST
Tried the George Bush thing... it worked fine... Age verification is lame... I would show this to babies, little babies, and then I'd share a cigarette and some cocaine with them.
Jan. 21, 2008, 12:30 p.m. CST
Okay, I see what you're saying. But if you could take the shower scene out of Psycho, then why is it there? Doesn't that just mean it IS murder porn? From what you're saying maybe Hostel is less offensive, because it needs to show what it shows, while Psycho is being gratuitous to shock you.<p> And I love Hatespeech's post too, because it's basically a summary of what the movie itself is trying to say! Beautiful.
Jan. 21, 2008, 12:39 p.m. CST
Well, it's true that there are such a thing as "fun" horror movies that are more goofy and laughable, and you don't take the fates of the characters as seriously. That shitty "Hatchet" movie would be one example. But those aren't the movies that people get up in arms about, it's always the ones that are trying to be more serious like WOLF CREEK (which Roger Ebert gave zero stars I believe). HIGH TENSION is way more graphic and more trying to make you enjoy violence, but because it's goofier Ebert gives it a star and writes a light-hearted review about it. WOLF CREEK is scary by his own admission, so he writes about it like it's the end of civilization. It seems to me like the more effective these types of movies are the more they get criticized.<p> And anyway, even a FRIDAY THE 13TH the movie is constructed to *try* to make you root for the heroes, regardless of whether they succeed in that, or what your hypothetical black stereotypes might say in the video store.
Jan. 21, 2008, 2:07 p.m. CST
Vern compliments mr_sinister7381 on the use of the term "torture porn". Sinister responds with being a assclown.<p>mr_sinister7381, you seem like a intelligent, smart, sarcastic and funny guy. Normally enough to come out on top after a talkback brawl. But I have to inform you. Vern is the Chuck Norris of talkbacks, and all his friends are here to back him up.<p>It's ON!
Jan. 21, 2008, 2:30 p.m. CST
I think this will be an ongoing debate that will never be resolved. Horror movies will obviously be targeted because there are a lot of people who don’t understand horror and just don’t get it so they will try to lynch anything that they don’t understand and thinks will corrupt our children. I am, and have always been a huge horror fan, and as Jarv said before he and I have talked about this before. But I’ll share my feelings on it once more. I can’t really lump Psycho and Hostel together. Now, I’ve seen by far much more hardcore stuff than was in Hostel, but I just think people who make a movie with a basis around torture, then market it to say that it’s the goriest, most horrifying thing ever, is utter bullshit and stuff that we don’t need. I think that’s why a lot of people don’t like Eli Roth. It’s one thing to make a harrowing vision that also has a point to it, but to come out and say something along the lines of “Hey guys you gotta see my movie, it’s so fucking brutal and you will seriously go fuckin crazy for the part where I had the balls to show some guy get his dick cut off!”, and then go on CNN or Fox news and try to say that your movie is a reaction to war than, in my opinion, you can go and fuck yourself. Movies like Hostel, Saw, Captivity, ect, are all made to push the boundaries, but that would mean something if these were actually good movies. Look at Saw, now it’s just about how far the can push the envelope, how much violence they can throw at the audience without furthering the story. There have been 4 movies (with a 5th already in the works) and what is the only message of the movie? Is it that life is important, so be a good person, or you deserve to die in the most horrible way imaginable? What is the merit of these movies? I’m all for a balls out gore movie, but to make movie after movie that’s main purpose is to show people being tortured, it really says something about the times we live in where this is now commonplace and people really look forward to sequels that will be more fucked up. Give me a story that has characters I give a damn about, make it scary as hell, but don’t rely on playing on the most basic fear that people don’t want to get tortured to death. That’s cheap. Some people get off on shit like Guinea Pig or August Underground, and that stuff is the most vile shit out there, but doesn’t it seem that this is the direction that horror may be moving in? And once people get over seeing that stuff, what is it going to take next to ‘scare’ them or gross them out? Sorry this has been so long winded. Oh and by the way Mr_Sinister, you are an idiot and apparently you don’t know Vern at all. Your stupid comic book name doesn’t make anyone think you are cool. And especially not at your hateful attitude.
Jan. 21, 2008, 3:31 p.m. CST
You can talk all about torture porn all you want. For me,..torture is reading this "Nathaniel Essex wannabe" pathetic rants about Vern. Puh-lease... Go dust off your comics and go back to jerking off to still photos of Kitty Pryde.
Jan. 21, 2008, 3:33 p.m. CST
1) Will the creators of torture porn be able to top the idea of remaking their movies scene for scene?<p> 2) Will Bruce Willis back up his statement about LFODH being as good as or better than the first?<p> 3) Will somebody be able to describe the Cloverfield monster?
Jan. 21, 2008, 5:59 p.m. CST
you are the one who missed the point and got defensive and then started calling the director a Nazi, so I really don't think you have a valid point. Aren't you just potraying a stereotype by saying that because a person was born in germany and hey make films with violence in them is a Nazi? And then you proceed to bash someone's name just because it's not yours? I guess by your standards that makes you an ignorant idiot, or does that assumption hurt your feelings?
Jan. 21, 2008, 11:47 p.m. CST
by Gwai Lo
Did they put 3 year olds in the Hitler Youth? Probably, the swine! Come on now.. I'm Jewish, so you officially have my permission to stop blaming Haneke for the Holocaust.
Jan. 22, 2008, 3:21 a.m. CST
by Lost Jarv
That's not what I'm saying. <p>The shower scene in Psycho is, arguably unnecessary- but the whole run time of Hostel is irrelevant. Psycho without the shower scene would be a blander version, but would still essentially work, whereas if you removed the torture from Hostel then the entire run time of the movie would be pointless. Sort of like if you removed sex from actual pornography ("Aha miss jones, I really am here to fix your photocopier" = pointless). <p>Basically, what I am saying is that for films like Hostel and captivity (not to mention that utter shit fest Creep)- their only reason for existance is to depict scenes of people being tortured. That's it, and it isn't big, it isn't scary. <p>The difference is- would the movie work if you removed the torture, or would it work but the gore adds an extra oomph to the film. If the answer is no then the film is Torture Porn. <P>Kloipy- bang on man, and did you see the description of TP in the other Funny Games Talkback? <P>Finally, Mr Sinister- The Descent is NOT Torture Porn. Just to clear that up for you.
Jan. 22, 2008, 3:54 a.m. CST
by Lost Jarv
the 'porn' in 'torture porn' refers to the graphic indulges of the violence. The film revels in showing the torture. <p> In the original christening of the term "Torture Porn", it had nothing to do with sex, or some kind of combo or sex and violence. It was about the 'pleasure' the director took in showing the violence. <p> It's about comparing scare techniques If the scariness of Horror films like Friday the 13th or ALIEN is like R-rated sex, then HOSTEL, etc is like XXX-rated sex. <p> It is less 'romantic' for horror fans because instead of relying on suspense and "what-you-do-not-see", the Torture Porn tries to scare you by showing every thing. Torture porn's 'scare' is in the painful display of the horror violence. <p> Porn is just sex, while R-rated or softcore strive to be Romantic:::Torture porn is just graphic, while standard horror is terrifying in its suspense<p>......................... <P>I know which I prefer.
Jan. 22, 2008, 6:26 a.m. CST
I just keep hoping for something original in the next few years that actually is scary, not just this reguritated bullshit we usually get
Jan. 22, 2008, 10:36 a.m. CST
They've been playing the shit out of the FUNNY GAMES trailer at one of the theaters I go to, and it looks pretty disgusting. I like Michael Pitt quite a bit as an actor, but this looks pretty repulsive.
Feb. 8, 2008, 3:32 p.m. CST
Here's a new clip for The Signal that was just released today! Love the dark comedy, and the dialogue is pretty clever too! Only 2 more weeks til release! http://media.movies.ign.com/media/905/905941/vids_1.html
Feb. 11, 2008, 4:34 p.m. CST
Really looking forward to Haneke's reamke of his 1997 crime thriller Funny Games. Such a great movie, and I think it should be interesting to see the differnces between the two...Here's a link to a spoof trailer that someone made for Kubrick's The Shining using the official trailer for the new Funny Games as it premise. Very cool! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GktNzXAQuCY
July 25, 2012, 7:54 p.m. CST