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STAR TREK teaser is online... via shady crappy looking YouTube... Perhaps Monday in HD!
Hey folks, Harry here... Behold the nice, atmospheric, understated - but at the same time - grand in scope and vision... the construction of the Enterprise teaser trailer for the relaunch of STAR TREK. No matter what you think of the Enterprise being made on Earth... you can not deny that it looks cool. I suppose the Enterprise could take off from Earth at impulse power - but a ship can't achieve warp in an atmosphere (at least that's what we've been told, right?) Here's the teaser...
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Details, please.
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I dunno, I think they said something about being gay...
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I get the sophisticated marketing for cloverfield via youtube leakage. this, I think, needs to wait to be, you know, intelligible? you can't even read the writing...also, star wars > star trekit had to be said...
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But I liked the sound effect at the end.
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The Enterprise was built by the shipyards on the Tyne by Geordies. How do I know this? I saw them filming some scenes down by the river on the way to see the return of The Messiah to Newcastle. Totally true.
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A bit too Enterprisey for my tastes, but hey, prequelitis was in vogue for a while, so I guess its nice to see Paramount continue their trek down unoriginality.
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...but this actually makes me quite interested to see the film. I also like the way that it works on a metaphorical as well as a literal level. Nicely done.
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Nuff said ! ;)
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But notice that it is kind of like that fake teaser...at least Nimoy's voice
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That was well done and I got very excited. Then I remembered that the Superman Returns teaser was unbelievable too, now I spit when someone mentions that movie.
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Much as I enjoyed the YouTube vid, it's like watching RealMedia back in 1996 :)
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To say "Who gives a fuck about youtube... I have it in HD right here."
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Jan 18, 2008 1:01:43 PM CST
What does this have to do with GLORIOUS quicktime? Need Digg But
by warp11
Would love to have just a nice little icon to "digg" a cool article like this. Come on, what could it hurt? Maybe a little Fark in there too. etc.
Warp 11 (Star Trek Band) @ Concert in the Park last summer:
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I love trailers. Now make it a good movie, Bob Orci.
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is that the banal script-writers for this thing actually think they're being original and that any similarity to Harve Bennett's idea is just one big coincidence.
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Wow, that sure, um, sounded nice. I'll check back on Monday.
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This project can go either way, but after Star Trek's release can we all join together and call for a ban on prequels?
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It's all in the music.
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Billy Shatners head!XD
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(And, frankly, neither was very good.)
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Then man, is that going to be dull. The Federation taking bids from contractors, town hall meetings to discuss zoning permits. Sigh.
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Built in space?
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I hear the movie picks up when they decide on the interior decoration.
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made me feel like a little kid again in a way. I gotta say I always loved space exploration. It's the great unifier of all mankind, something we can all get behind and look forward to etc...
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That is hilarious
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12 LONG MONTHS....
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So the Borg traveled back through time to help build the Enterprise? Okay...
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Why does this trailer seem to imply that this is the first Enterprise ever, and that "the future begins", if this is all supposed to come after Enterprise?
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So did my subject line make it? if not, here's the jist of it: does it REALLY matter where the ship is built? QUICK ANSWER: NO.now, some talkbackers have mentioned that, according to their trek encyclopedias, the first enterprise was built piece by piece on earth, then the pieces were sent to some atmospheric station for full assembly. Harry does that make you feel better?all kidding aside, every great sci-fi ship was built on a planet; the falcon, the sdf-1, the ship HAL ran, and now clearly the enterprise.also, how do we know its actually being built on earth? maybe its inside of some orbital station? I didn't see any futuristic fast food drive-throughs in the background so who knows?and, honestly, is it really worth getting upset about? I've noticed a few people complaining about it, yes you harry are included, but hey, SO WHAT? does it REALLY matter? no in the end it doesn't. let's just be happy the movie doesn't include clones of picard or cigar-shaped ships angry there are no more whales on earth.now I'm asking for the last time...is it a lion or is it huge or both?
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Seriously that used to really bother me as a kid. It kind explained that Shatnerian zig zag running in Shore Leave.... the man was dying for a piss.
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Err, sorry just had a Shat attack! ;-)Diggin that trailer, c'mon with that Quicktime already...
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Jan 18, 2008 1:32:03 PM CST
PLEASE GOD LET THE SETS LOOK LIKE THE ORIGINAL SERIES..
by greigy just wanted to say
Tidy them up obviously, mute the colours a little but it would show real balls and faith in the classic designs... something that Enterprise series just lacked... Don't do that standard very tired looking Next Gen look....
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Looks interesting, but am still worried about the whole enterprise
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1. we've already seen the 1701 classic flying in earths atmosphere in the original series.
2.We've seen a ship go into warp in atmosphere in star trek 4
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Good trailer. Millions of fans cant be wrong about Star Trek. I just never got into the Kirk generaion. A Picard fan myself once the borg made it interesting. Im excited to get a big budget space movie where I dont need to know the whole history. But if I did, could make it more fun. Still dont know about Pine though. Saw him in that Lohan movie and..well...theres no crapper on the Enterprise big enough for that performance
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johnnykool relax! no reason to get upset. I'm just here to give harry a hard time. us houstonians have to harass people from austin if/when we get the chance.in other news, I'm a bit surprised starfleet is using bluecollar workers with lowtech welding torches to built the most famous ship in the galaxy. plus I thought the vulcans had something to do w/the enterprise's construction or technology? superfans what say you?
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I couldn't see anything but welders and sparks.
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Jan 18, 2008 1:44:58 PM CST
Got chills - even tho' the image quality looked like a Rorschach
by odysseus
Great use of archival sound bytes, too. Now THAT'S a teaser.
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Putting a blurb from a speech mentioning "God" in a trailer for a Gene Roddenberry inspired movie is the ultimate in disrespect to the Star Trek ideal and community. Religion has no place in the future of mankind.
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That's what I want.
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They posted a nice still of the Enterprise over at Dark Horizons... promising..
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I'm not sure if the Bird of Prey went to warp in atmosphere - cuz I seem to remember that it was full impulse - and that Sulu said once they were clear of Earth Atmosphere - that they had hit Warp Factor something or another.
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about fucking "Star Trak"?? Yeah, I said it! Star TRAK!!! I hated the stupid TV show and the movies are goofy and ...William Shatner??? Give me a break I could NEVER understand what people saw in this stuff. Give me some new Star Wars.
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cant wait to see it in HD, if not later today, then Monday.
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stupid. makes no sense. it's not an earth launching vehicle.
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Im tellin ya. Then assembled in space. Come on. You think the Gays have parades for no reason?
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as it was fading in and out of focus like an old time movie reel from the late 30s.
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What was that? I couldn't see anything.
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How the fuck can you get to 30+ years of age and miss an episode...!!! JESUS...
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but doesn't do anything to excite. maybe they're still at Teaser Trailer Academy.
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Good boy, here's a cookie.
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Safety first.
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They oversaturated the colours and put in effects that looked like pre-vis for Babylon 5's first season but hey.... it'll be on blue-ray soon...!!!
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The BoP was most certainly in Atmosphere when it warped out. Someone hunted down Gene's 1968 Making of Star Trek book (which contained in part much of the bible of the show as well) where he spelled out quite clearly the major parts of the ship where built on Earth and lifted off to orbit via some sort of anti-gravity sled. So the Enterprise was always intended to have been built on Earth, even by Gene. Considering Orci and company are not just fans of the show, but have read the decidedly non-canon books, it would make sense one of them at one time read Gene's autobiography of the making of the show to gleam out details
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Must be
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Its only 289 meters long. In comparison, the aircraft carrier Enterprise is something like 60-70 meters longer.
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Jan 18, 2008 2:09:26 PM CST
The Enterprise being built by sweaty guys with blowtorches..
by darth_inedible
Finally a Trek picture I can relate too! Thanks JJ. I sure hope it's being built at some sort of futuristic secret "area 51"-type place on Earth because the whole idea of crazy floating spaceyards seems so unbelievable. If these guys were in charge of the original 60s series Kirk's communicator would have looked like a portable WWII radio.
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didn't a fighter pilot see the Enterprise during one of the time travel episodes, then they beam the guy into his own body, and this time the ship is gone?
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I predict so much backlash from this film it's not even funny.
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I'm not even a Star Trek fan, but I always thought the Enterprise was built in space. I didn't think it was designed to land/take off a planet. Maybe it's boosted into space for it's initial launch?
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Which company's building that thing? And to the serious Trek(ies/ers) is it possible that the ship's being built inside a Starbase or in an enclosed moon base?
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What a feeling!
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As Dr. Evil said, "Scott, you just don't get it, do ya?" ALL HAIL TREK. Abrams is my personal Jesus. Lost, Trek, and Dark Tower on the way. Could life get any better?
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they love to change things.
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Remember what happened last time somebody somewhere said "Give me some new Star Wars".
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If this teaser is any indication of what the movie will be like then I'm already boycotting it.
The Enterprise being built on earth???? WTF!!!!
How is it going to take off? Are they going to strap big shuttle boosters to it's nacelles (I hope they fixed those O-Rings!)?
Enterprise is far to large to maneuver in an atmosphere, she's not aerodynamic, no anti grav (like voyager) and it just not equipped for flight within an atmosphere.
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Star Trek Begins? Year Zero? Attack of the Tribbles?
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...lead me to believe that the Enterprise was being built "on earth". Ok, so I haven't seen it on the big screen and honestly I didn't see much of anything at all in that YouTube piece of crap but looking at the large image that was posted the other day I see that it's being built in "an atmosphere". Nowhere does it say that it's earth's atmosphere. Also did anyone notice the "under construction" line? For all we know this scene is some expensive advertising CGI and nothing more. In my opinion it's just Trekkie jerkoff material until proven otherwise.
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Jan 18, 2008 2:32:38 PM CST
Cutest of Borg, you think we'll get Dark Tower in our lifetime?
by abin sur
You're quite the optimist.
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Can anybody honestly say, hand on heart, that Mission Imossible III was a great film? It was like a TV movie...no sense of spectacle, rapid editing and confusing geography. Compare JJ's bridge attack scene with the one done by Cameron in True Lies, Cameron's is brilliantly shot and edited - result? It is tremendously exciting. JJ has no talent in his selection of shots and editing. This is typical pre-release PR bullshit. Crap trailer. Come back Nicholas Meyer, perhaps the only truly talented director (Robert Wise aside) the Trek film franchise ever had.
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the teaser? I hate that song.
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Anyone else think this construction footage in the teaser is stuff they created specifically for the teaser, and isn't part of the actual film? Hopefully that'll render all this built-in-space/built-on-Earth nonsense moot. Nice teaser though.
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It lends a sense of majesty and wonder back to space exploration. I think a sense of wonder was missing from both Voyager and Enterprise. Hopefully this film will rectify that.
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...how they build the Statue of Liberty for Cloverfield.
Well, Christmas.. way to go.
Besides the Mr. Jones adeventure, now I realy need a trailer for that >Happening< in June...Friday the 13th, hehe. Looks like "Night"-time for me. Could Harry call someone about that, even a teaser...? -
That was one heck of a teaser!!!
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a pile of big shit
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"Dad, why did you bring me to a gay steel mill?"
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Captain's log. Ha, I kill me. Thanks, you've been a lovely audience. Good night.
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Jan 18, 2008 2:50:25 PM CST
Seriously though, this could just be a re-fit of
by grammaton cleric binks
Pike's Enterprise before it's given to Kirk. That would actually be canon, and spare the geeks (myself included) hurt feelings. Enterprise had a re-fit at the beginning of TMP, so why no just prior to TOS when command is given to Kirk?
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The teaser also goes against the book that says the enterprise was assembled in space...assuming the enterprise in the teaser was on Earth...look at it, does it look like it needs assembling? No...it's being fully built on Earth in the film, which goes against all canon.
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I may be crazy but I thought Abrams was doing the Dark Tower pretty soon. Still hasn't been mentioned if it is a miniseries, films, or HBO series. Personally would love it to be an HBO series of about 30 episodes over the course of three seasons or so. And yes, I am ever the optimist.
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If you show me in a film or series where it says Enterprise was built in space then okay it's canon. I don't know or care. I'm a trek geek, but I'll put that in the uber geek category. Like I said in the other post if JJ starts screwing with character timelines, and changes that are documented in any series, then I'll be angry at him. By the way, I hate liars too,that's why I'm unemployed and looking for work, while the liars are still working.
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Well, you're not crazy - the deal is, SK said that when he's ready to sell the DT property, JJ's got first right to buy, and he said he'd sell it to them for 19 dollars (Ka, don't you think?). But it will take them years just to figure out WHAT format to release it in. I wince at the ABC Network version.
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Jim Caviezel IS Roland! Had to get that in.
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I didn't think MI3 was a great film, but I did think it was a damn good one, and easily the best of the MI series. It was intensely entertaining. Then again, I always liked Alias.
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It's essentially Alias: The Movie...the characters are even the same, just played by different actors.
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It certainly looks like this could be the case. Besides, the images of builders without space suits does not imply that it is built on Earth. They could have been working inside the ship, or behind a force field, et al... Anyway, GREAT TEASER! I am now officially excited -- and I am not really a Trekkie (only really liked Wrath of Khan, even though First Contact and Undiscovered Country were decent).
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Well beyond anything on TV, and I've seen plenty of Spooks & 24. Why MI:3 gets so much shit, when MI:2 is the true black sheep, surprises me. MI:1 takes some getting used to, but it has it's own appeal. Thumbs up on the teaser, but I also think it being built in space is just all-around cooler (and somehow makes more sense).
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Roddenberry published a 'writer's bible' for anyone intent on submitting potential scripts to himself or DesiLu Productions. In that bible, he states specifically that 'our ship was built in space, and has never known the gravity of any planet' or words to that effect. I'm sure you can google for a word-for-word quote, but I'm confident that I'm within 90 to 95 percent accuracy.
So if you want to discuss what is and what is not actually canon, I think when Gene Roddenberry specifically states that the Enterprise was built in space and not on any planet, well I kinda think Gene Roddenberry is the actual FONT of all things Star Trek Canon - wouldn't you? -
Only likes the best three movies, but when someone brings up Star Trek V he's like "I'm not a Trekkie." I just heard the rooster crow a third time.
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and as harry, mori, whoever will confirm, the goal of any teaser trailer is to GET PEOPLE TALKING and lo! it is so. EVERYONE is officially talking about this trailer, save anderson cooper of course.although oddly enough I read a review of cloverfield in the weekly standardnow someone above said the enterprise is too large to manuever in an atmosphere. hmmm...not sure about that one, considering according to the chart on wikipedia its roughly the size of an aircraft carrier. and if memory serves the sdf-1 was a mile long and yet took from macross island just fine. until it accidentally folded and took all of the island with it into deep space. uh hmm...looks like I shot myself in the foot with that one. nevertheless, the trailer's got all of geekdom, from austin to austria, talking about this movie, and it doesn't come out for a year. so congrats abrams, you've done it again.
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I suppose that it would be better to say that I am a "fair weather sci fi fan." I only like the good films. Is that a problem. Oh, and yes, I cringed when I watched Star Trek 5. I am still waiting for my refund from Paramount Studios! But I do have respect for JJ Abrams' mind, along with Roberto Orci. There is quite a bit of potential here, and I don't think that they would ruin it for any but the most closed-minded Trekkie (who wouldn't be happy if Roddenberry's overrated corpse were to rise from the dead and write the script).
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Jan 18, 2008 3:24:05 PM CST
REMEMBER CHEKHOV ASKING TO RAISE SHIELDS AND KIRK LOOKED
by bringingsexyback
stupified?
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And apparently owns this site.
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Oh, and HUGH JACKMAN IS ROLAND!
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Jan 18, 2008 3:28:06 PM CST
One thing for sure, Abrams sure know how to promote himself NO
by proman1984
It's Paramount who's Promoting him. They are trying to make him the next Spielberg and JJ is no Spielberg.
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...said John Locke, when Boone pointed out how often the red shirts died beneath his command. Is this Abrams' take on Kirk? Anyway, I thought that MI:3 was the best of the MI series, Cloverfield is pretty darn good and LOST and ALIAS have been dynamic shows (well, LOST is near the top of my all time favorites list). Contrary to the attitude of some, I'll have to see the film before judging it. I do think that Abrams and Orci are good candidates for a reboot, though. I'm crossing my fingers, because I really HOPE to enjoy it. I'm really afraid that my expectations will be too high.
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Here's the god damned dialogue from the movie:
SCOTTY Admiral! There be whales here!
THE BRIDGE (INTERCUT)
KIRK: Well done, Mr. Scott. How soon can we be ready for warp speed?
SCOTTY: I'll have to re-energize.
KIRK: Don't take too long. We're sitting ducks for their radar systems... Mr. Sulu, impulse climb.
BIRD OF PREY - as she begins to climb with moderate speed to altitude.
BRIDGE
UHURA: Unidentified aircraft, 40,000 feet MSL, range 30 miles, bearing 010.
KIRK: Mr. Scott -- how soon?
SCOTTY: Stand by, sir. Miracle worker at work...
KIRK: Mr. Scott, don't make jokes, we are in danger of -
SCOTTY: Full power, sir.
KIRK: Mr. Sulu, if you please.
SULU: Aye, sir, warp speed!
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No offense, but Spielberg is terribly overrated. He wants to be the Roy Hobbes of directors ("the best there ever was"), but he hardly ever gets up to bat anymore. His material is just not what it could have been. But you're right: Abrams is no Spielberg.
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joke. I'm surprised you didn't list Star Trek IV though as one of your favorites though. Most trekkies loved that one. I thought it was hysterical. You're going to bring a lot of hate on yourself though calling Roddenberry overrated.
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Looks to me like it was simply being assembled in space, not built from scratch. That would satisfy all the nitpickers and hopefully if that is the case, not fall prey to the Enterprise TV show's nasty habit of being totally inconsistent with pre-established history. Christopher Pike is in the film so it would more likely be a scene of the Enterprise being refitted if in the film at all. My worry is the half-assed casting in the movie for some of the lead roles, Simon Pegg as Scotty? Paul McGillion not only looks like Scotty but IS Scottish! Enough with the fanboy selections and at least get the initial casting done decently so the film can have a chance as a serious production and not a spoof!
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Guys, I think the bad quality is because somebody camcorded this off of a screen today in a show of Cloverfield and matted the frames. I don't think it's any reflection on Bad Robot, and I'm betting they planned on you seeing all this on the big screen, before anywhere else. Seems to me, it's meant to be a public statement that JJ has his genre house in order, and to trust him a bit. Besides, the big screen, given the history and prestige of the franchise, is the appropriate place to premier the trailer.
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You do realize that makes the Enterprise only 3 TIMES LONGER THAN THE STATUE OF LIBERTY IS HIGH, right? About 3 FOOTBALL FIELDS long.
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The mainstream will think its still Picard and gang though...
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Jan 18, 2008 3:47:54 PM CST
Growing up we had Spielberg, Cameron and Zemekis wowing us with
by fa fa fooey
You kids today have JJ Abrams. You poor, deprived souls...
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I just can't manage any excitement over this despite loving the original show.
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the @ssholes just did a great interview with the Editor-in-Chief of Marvel about what goes into the decision to change a much-beloved franchise, and that guy, in many respects, probably knows better than anyone alive. I suggest you give it a read before condemming JJ Abrams or the blokes at Paramount. If you're going to comdemn them, do it for failing to strike a fair deal with the WGA!
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director called George Lucas. He might have impacted our lives juuuuuust a little bit. (Howard the Duck aside)
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I can understand how components would be assembled on Earth, then lifted into orbit for final assembly. Not much os a stretch there, really. What IS pushing believability is that you'd still have conventional "dirty" welding techniques in use by the 22nd century. I doubt you could create a standard weld with the "advanced" materials that would be in use to build the old-E we came to know and love. No, the whole "welding" idea is for the birds, JJ. Let's hope it was just a ploy used exclusively for the trailer.
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JJ is an asshole.........
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Krazy Glue, strong enough to hold a Vulan in mid-air.
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Jan 18, 2008 3:58:37 PM CST
"If you're going to comdemn them, do it for failing to strike a
by critch
The writers don't want a fair deal. They want a deal that's good for them and to hell with everyone else.
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You have no talent..........you like your own hype.
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and so it begins.
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He definitely should have been. He should be playing a veteran captain. Also...no Archer cameo??????
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Jan 18, 2008 4:08:59 PM CST
ArcadianDS, just the post, thanks for the info
by grammaton cleric binks
and yes I agree. If Mean Gene says this is the way we're doing it, then this is they way we're doing it.
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STAR TREK IS DEAD! DEAL WITH IT! JUST WATCH ANY EP OF VOYAGER OR ENTERPISE IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME! GET ON WITH YOUR LIVES AND GET OUT OF YOUR PARENT'S BASEMENTS.
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TheBrainMaster just shat on the floor.
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When the hell are you gonna post some reviews man? Capone's written a novel in the last 2 days. I know you're a father and all, but we're your kids too you know. Geez
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If it happens to be a good Star Trek movie- better. STII:TWOK was a good example of appeasing the Trekkie nerds (like myself) and general audiences. I lean toward TOS-centric stories, so I'm glad they are finally starting over. And I think that old Kirk needs a cameo in the end- LOL.
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old Star Trek to be just that we never would have had the movies or TNG. Most trekkies love TOS, TNG, the movies and beyond.
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But just because someone like a Joe Quesada (as Editor in Chief at Marvel) or a JJ Abrams (as an independent movie producer) has the POWER to make the decisions about changing a much-beloved franchise......Doesn't mean they are making the RIGHT decisions. In fact, let's be honest and have a little REALITY check here. A little bucket of cold water thrown into the face. History in both movies and comics has long since proven and shown that usually -- accent on usually -- that most "changes in a much-beloved franchise" were actually made with a financial bottom line in mind (ie. a gimmicky sales hook to boost revenue) and NOT a true artistic purpose or goal.
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"If you were any other man I would kill you where you stand." Worf, First Contact.
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Big and dramatic and unlike the failure of the Jupiter 1/2 launch from that good 'ol remake.
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I hate it when teasers with a "big reveal" like this one feature the logos of the production companies at the beginning. This trailer would have been WAY more effective if they didn't give away what movie it was by showing the Paramount/Bad Robot logos. Immediately, we know what the welder is working on. A much better tactic would have been to show workers working on "something", and we don't realize what it is until the VERY end. Spock's voice-over also occurs too early in the teaser, again ruining the "surprise".
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I like Alias and Lost, I feel JJ is better suited to the small screen. He doesn't have a particularly cinematic sensibility. I still think this is going to be a poor movie.
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...sounded like a dying gasp. That was the best reading they could get for that line? Also, the opening for the ST:Enterprise TV show already used the evolution of space flight as a theme. This teaser was disappointing.
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OK, I haven't read the talkbacks because I'm pressed for time, so this may have been discussed, but...
The rationale for building in space is because it takes a great deal of effort and energy to lift stuff into orbit. So, assuming the development of a propulsion technology that eliminates this concern, and also assuming that we're (relatively) early in our ability to source raw materials off-planet, building the Enterprise on Earth makes some sense. Maybe they used recycled materials or something. -
JJ used Nimoy becaue he felt he owed him. Nimoy was in the original Mission: Impossible. MI and it's copy Alias made JJ so........
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Hopefully, JJ gives us something strong.
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Uh wait a minute here...is that guy saying its better to get paid in us dollars if you're canadian? I thought the canadian dollar was trading at the same level as the us dollar? no? for me that was the most compelling part of his post which dealt neither with the movie or abrams.so again, mori, cleanup on aisle three please.
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Why would they build a starship on Earth? with WW2 welders no less (like they are making a fucking oil tanker or something), or even consider this to be the first starship? It wasn't. The Enterprise was built by the time Kirk came along! Space makes more sense and not anymore far-fetched then them building the ship at Area 51 (groaaaannn.. --isn't Area 51 basically abandoned now? Something about nuclear waste..)
Honestly, who gives a shit. I agree. We don't need a prequel about Kirk and crew. We don't need anymore damn Prequels. Stop it. Bad Hollywood! They are obviously going to offend the old guard and I doubt they'll bring on any new followers. JJ would be more successful waiting by the ticket counter and begging me for $10.75 -
masculine.Like Worf,he is masculine too.
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can't you just hear it now?get your starfleets-accredited associates degree in just 18 months in space vessel welding and general assembly. financial assistance for those who qualify.
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Rodenberry stated that it was built in the Oakland Navy yards, and the pieces were then assembled in orbit. If you feel up to it, read "The Making of Star Trek" by Steven Whitfield.
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I don't know exactly, i didn't see ALL episodes of ALL of the series (thoug i did see a lot of them).
Is it that wrong for it to be built on Earth? I mean, is it IMPOSSIBLE that ONE Enterprise was built not in space? I mean, there were tons of Enterprises, all of them destroyed and rebuilt. But is there any thing on any episode that states that EVERY ONE of them were built on space?
It's not like "Spock's Mom being Vulcan". We know for sure she originaly wasn't, and this piece of info sure smells like some bad interpretation of someone in the chain of information. One guy gets to the news of Winona playing her, and spills that she'll be his vulcan mom, only this guy didn't know the character is human.
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Isn't Area 51 where the Stargate guys built their starship?
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maybe the whole "where they build it"thing is just a setup.Like the "Godzilla stomping T-Rex" teaser?
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...but not by much:
A lot of people consider Nemesis to be the absolute nadir of Trek entertainment. This is not so, for there is nothing Trekkish which exceeds the sheer shittitude of Insurrection. My God, that movie has nothing, and I mean NOTHING, going for it. An absolutely ghastly cuntburger of a film from beginning to end.
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Jan 18, 2008 5:37:04 PM CST
What is this; Steampunk Trek? Fucking arc welders and human asse
by conspiracy
Jesus taint licking Christ, even in 2008 nobody builds shit like this anymore!
Has JJ ever seen how a modern production facility operates? Damn, even in actual Ship contruction they are getting away from this 19th century method. I tell you, that God Damned Orci and crew must have some seriously good blow if they think THIS represents the future.I'm to believe a bunch of 23rd century UAW members are building Starships planetside in BDSM suits?
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...a NYT sunday edition to Zerbe a year or so later when he came into the Charleston WV bookstore I was working in at the time. I briefly toyed with the idea of punching him in the throat for his part in subjecting me to Insurrection.
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What is this; Steampunk Trek? Fucking arc welders and human assembly?
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The crew was nothing compared to the old geezers!Kirk had more charisma in his little FINGER then the whole TNG crew!Nobody yells:"Bring Picard back",no,still to this day everybody wants KIRK!
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NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH!
CLOVERFIELD WAS GARBAGE, AND LOST WELL LOST ME AFTER SEASON 1!
JJ YOU FUCKED UP THIS MOVIE WITH THE AWFUL CASTING CHOICES!
THE GUY WHO'S PLAYING THE YOUNG SULU IS OLDER THEN WHEN THE OG SULU FIRST PLAYED HIM ON TV & MOVIES!
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A Genius at feeding very well marketed crap to easily entertained, low expectation living, juvenile drinkers of Sunny Delight that is.
Fuck..from the early word and look of this mess, and with the blank check Hollywood has seemingly given him and his hackish minions half that town must be drinking the kool-aid.
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To me, what resonated about Star Trek was not the space race part but rather the idea that the cold war would not be the end of the world, that today's tensions in our crowded little world today are just a passing thing in the grand scope of time and space. It would have been nice to hear a couple of idealistic quotes from the social side of US culture in there too - like a Martin Luther King snippet. As it stands now, there's just a nagging little hint of "NASA propaganda video" vibe. Otherwise, very cool - very much in the good taste of the franchise reboots that seem to be popular these days.
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...on Paramount Blu-Ray Disc!! ;)
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I feel bad for the Trekkies. I have a feeling they're gonna get what we got... BROTHER! (rolls eyes)
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I have a feeling the Trekkies will get what we got...and I feel your pain...BROTHER!
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have a coke and a smile and shut the fuck up you bat shit crazy cunt.
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And honestly I enjoyed Nemesis. It entertained me. It was a decent film that caught a lot of flack from extreme die hards. It had a huge mountain to climb considering it came out at the same time as The Two Towers. But yeah Insurrection is the worst of the worst.
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As you can see by the response here Star Trek is anything but dead! People are clamoring for it. Last time ST was gone for 10 years. People had moved on with Star Wars and other things and would say " Well I like the reruns but it's so dead and I can't imagine it coming back ". Well it came back stronger than ever! ST is a timeless format for telling SF stories that people want to see. If handled correctly it can be very popular and inovative. Given that B & B are gone now and have nothing to do with this I have a feeling it will come out swinging again. Get used to it!
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Can't wait to see this, Xmas the movie threatres across north America will be filled with Geeks and nerds.
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What about ripping off harlan ellison? Dear god, I love Trek, but I really just want the franchise to be euthanised.
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Why people are aching for a Shat appearance is beyond me. Look at the man. The moment he's onscreen the magic of Star Trek is gone. He's a caricature now. He was great as Kirk circa ST 1 to 6 (excl. 5) but that was a different person. And the fact he directed 5 just solidifies the fact that he lucked out with good directors (Meyers, Nimoy) and good scripts (that he wasn't involved with).
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... but if it's a freshly squeezed steaming pile of fetid excrement you want on your dunner plate, you have to go back to the feces that was STAR TREK V : OH GOD I'M GONNA VOMIT.
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Let's fuck with the mainstreamers.
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that fans are giving to the leaked material.
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I want to see the franchise reborn. Just like last time. Just like they did with BSG. The only real problem I see with this is old timers ( and yes I'm and old timer since 1966 ) not being able to have an open mind and let something new and fresh come in. My mind is open and I'm willing to see what the new movie has got.
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Jan 18, 2008 6:52:54 PM CST
Maybe I am too young to appreciate the ORIGINAL Trek...
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
...but to me, it reeks of cheesy "B" movie sci fi. Why all of this adoration for Roddenberry? From all that I have heard, he was generally hated in Hollywood. His "Trek" contributions were initial and then, uh, very limited. The most important figure since the films has been Leonard Nimoy. He has had more say into the story, direction and canon of Trek than Roddenberry EVER enjoyed. If Nimoy is placing his stamp of approval on this project, then I have a good feeling about this.
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the chess champion died a few hours ago.
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Take a look. Or don't if you want to avoid spoilers!
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I cannot abide this absolute thumb-in-the-eye of well established Star Trek Canon. Someone needs to force the film-makers to at least read "The Making of Star Trek" by Stephen Whitfield and GENE RODENBERRY! It's only been around since 1968! It contains Rodenberry's "Star Trek Bible" for its series' writers, which says, "The unit components were built at the Star Fleet Division of what is still called the San Francisco Navy Yards,and the vehicle was assembled in space. The Enterprise is not designed to enter the atmosphere of a planet, and never lands on a planet surface." This is from the horses' mouth! It wasn't built at fucking Area 51, and it didn't fucking blast of from Earth! If they ignore this, they'll ignore anything!
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I make no apologies about loving every Start Trek movie. Every goddamned one, including insurrection and nemesis. It is the single greatest body of popular science fiction to date. Star Wars is NOT science fiction, it's fantasy. So even though it's like comparing apples and oranges, ST is better than SW, and better than you, and this will be fantastic. JJ knows how to make a movie.
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...well, at least, he was an anti-Semite. But what has that got to do with Star Trek?
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He died when his ship self destructed.
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The prejudices, biases and vicious hatred that tears a city (and a country) apart? Sort of like antisemitism and religious bigotry? Or maybe it was just a monster movie?
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Cause the st1.jpg picture you posted makes my fucking bowels clinch up. If that's the new Enterprise then they aren't even going to get me in the theater much less win me over. Too different, I don't like it even remotely.
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I have a copy of the same book. The problem is that ST in that form has been done in triplicate and has painted itself into a corner story-wise. Just like with BSG it can be all new again and tell fresh stories. I firmly believe if Roddenberry were alive today he would want this. Have an open mind like you did when you watched it the first time.
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Don't fear: Those pics are NOT real.
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The st2.png pic is really from the trailer, but the first one is bogus. The st1 pic is from some concept fan art that circulated around the web a few months ago. It is pretty nice, but not at all real.
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looking forward to this
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..from "The Undiscovered Country" is a memory i can never shake off..
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when they were trying to distract Sybok's guards.
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You must be out cho goddamn mind! I would bet a years pay that in 2040 NO ONE will be clamoring for a Battlebarge Galactica film or a Firefly film. Trek rules all, my friend.
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..hows the family by the way?
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It kinda bombed. Sorry about that.
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Damn tea drinking pussy Picard!
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Serenity. I was so bored watching Serenity while the other yukels around me were brainwashed by it.
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This should definitely have been Nimoy's Spock remembering and recounting past events. But the fact that he goes back in time is in itself retarded, a device that should have been left behind forever afer Voyage Home
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All five of them. You guys are funny. "Star Wars and Star Trek sucks! Long live Joss Whedon!" Predictable.
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But you asshole Browncoats killed that for me. Thanks.
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what the fuck are you guys all talking about.
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Keep plugging those "Buffy" comics.
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but the rest of the movie...gulp.
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That bearded guy is making the starship.
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against the Falcon!
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Real Deal, I think one of the big problems of virtually every Trek movie after "Wrath of Khan" is that they were not true enough to TOS. The most courageous thing this movie could do is to take us back to the colors, styles, look and feel of TOS. I'm talking mini-skirts, heavy mascara, and beehive hairdos; I'm talking the ORIGINAL bridge of the Enterprise- as Scotty says in the Next Generation episode "Relics", "No bloody A, B, C, or D!" Face it- the appeal of Star Trek is its mythos, its history. The fans love it classic style, not the bastardized weak-sister form it's been in since The Next Generation aired. Give me the classic Grant Jeffries design for once on the big screen, and DON'T REWRITE HISTORY!
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Refitting the Enterprise for Kirk-did they install Quagmire-style hidden foldout beds all over the ship?
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Are you people really Trek fans?
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Don't know why but it really needs to be either new Kirk or Shatner saying that shit.
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I just like the trilogy and parts of 6.But you dont were talking to me I think.
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building the ship? Does Starfleet hire out to independent contractors?
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The only good part of Final Frontier was meeting god. McCoy is all irrational and religious so he plays right into floating head alien's hands, Spock is logical and controlled and shit and Kirk doesn't give a rat's ass. And I would gladly bring a lightsaber to the premier of this thing to fuck with people if I knew others were joining me. Or how about a borg/vader hybrid costume?
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Thanks for bringing that image back to my mind, I thought I was finally done with the nightmares. I saw the teaser at the theater today, it isn't really clear that they are on a planet surface. It could be inside a big space dock. And no it isn't really important if it was built on earth or in space. The problem is if it is earth they are ignoring the fans. Sticking to established ST canon is that hard but ignoring it like Enterprise did just shows lazy writing and producers with no real love of the show.
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I would like to know that.
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Of course it was Matt Jeffries; I'm just tired this evening. Why would it be stupid to give the fans-the true middle-aged original series fans- something they've always wanted and never had? No one has ever given us what we consider "true" Star Trek on the big screen. That was part of the dissapointment we had with Star Trek- the Motion Picture when it came out. We could hardly recognize it!
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meant to say "isn't that hard but..." on last sentence.
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Well. I feel just the oposite. I feel that during and after " The Wraith Of Khan " it was more like the TV series than ever. However it couldn't have been just like the old series because the characters ( along with the actors ) were older. And one thing I can tell you about being older ( I'm 54 now ) is that things aren't exactly the same. Time marches on. As for the rest. Sorry about you being stuck. But this sort of thing came up when they reimagined BSG. They happened to get past that and made a very good show despite the stuck in their ways old fans. In this universe there's room for both. The old show isn't going anywhere it's just been told in that style to death. Time to do a different take. Have an open mind. That's the way I picture most ST fans.
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it isn't exactly cannon but I believe that that bronze plague on the bridge says it was built in space dock.
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The kitchen was only used for special functions like banquets with alien dignitaries, etc, otherwise the senior staff used it. Archer had a personal Chef on his ship. The lower decks crew members only used the replicators.
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For the mess hall, and for any receptions the crew might schedule with another ship/race/whatever. (Which I believe was shown in V & VI.)
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http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/USS_Enterprise_%28NCC-1701%29
"In the early to mid-23rd century, at least twelve heavy cruiser-type starships, the Constitution-class, were commissioned by the Federation Starfleet. The vessel registered NCC-1701, which was constructed in San Francisco and launched in 2245, was christened the Enterprise. Larry Marvick was one of the designers of the Enterprise. (TOS: "Tomorrow is Yesterday", "Is There in Truth No Beauty?")
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By the way, the whole concept of a spacecraft that was never meant or designed to land on a planet's surface was a fairly new one when Star Trek TOS came out. It was a concept later used in the design of the "Discovery" in 2001, and later by Star Wars' designs for a lot of its ships, including Imperial Star Destroyers and Rebel Blockade Runners. They are two large to land on a planet, and are not aerodynamic. NONE of the forms of Enterprise could land on earth, although the saucer sections could detach and land in an emergency.
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And another thing. TOS was built around the current events of the late 60's. In order to be as ground breaking as that show was they have to do some adjusting to make it fit the 21rst century. We don't just have the Russians ( Klingons ) and the Chinese ( the Romulans ). And the whole focus of current events is different. In order to be relevant like the old series some changes have to be made. This is what made the old show great.
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on an episode of TOS it showed a kitchen being used for Thanksgiving. (I think it was "Charlie X")
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had a locker full pf phasers. Is the kitchen really the first place that comes under attack in a crisis?
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I know they can't go back but retro-modern sets and costumes would be cool. Mini-skirts are a must!
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I don't get this argument about where the damn ship was/should be built. My Legos were presumably created in China somewhere, and then assembled by me into a castle. Who built the castle? the plastic mold operators in China who created the components, or me? So the thing was "built" in space. There could be a dude arc welding a component, or even assisting with a "test assembly" on earth to make sure all the life support components worked before disassembly Here's a solution:each component individually transforms into a giant robot lion, which then jets into space under its own power, and combines with the other lions to form the enterprise, with Kirk yelling out the components as they are formed. Everybody happy? thought so.
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Pertinent points all. Can't really disagree with your statements but I'm still hyped. It feels good to get behind a Trek film again (the last couple of years and several of the offshoot shows - I just ignored them). I'd be only too glad to see Star Trek become an event for more than the in-crowd (and having said that - let me say that I care that they're building the bloody Enterprise on land - WTF? - I'm hoping this is a Trailer-move designed to avoid confusion amongst newbs "why are they building it in space, do they build spaceships in space - huh - I am confused?" etc). Anyhoo, come opening day I'll be there and I'll be willing to give the new Trek a good shot, if Abrams f**ks up I'll bitch and moan with the best of us but I'll still continue to hope that someone picks up the Trek mantle and keeps it running because it's just too good a concept to keep down. See y'all on Opening Day.
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Real Deal, are you telling me that it wouldn't send goosegumps down your spine to see a realistically rendered version of TOS, with the same devices and spacecraft rendered on the big screen in their beloved forms? By the way, I think the original Battlestar Galactica was WAY cooler than the current incarnation. I miss those chrome Cylons!
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Shouldn't be be looking over the ptoceedings?
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Hasn't that 60's look and design for the Original Series been "reaffirmed" as canon by episodes of Next Generation (Relica) and Deep Space Nine (Trial and Tribbelations)? Surely they can't ignore that as well?
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watch the two part Enterprise episode "In a Mirror Darkly". Archer even wears a green Kirk style shirt.
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As recently as the series "Enterprise", they have bolstered the veracity of the original series uniforms and look.
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Well see that's where we differ. I've already seen what they could do with the old form. They've been redoing the FX on the old show to correct what looks so bad now it detracts from the rest of the show. And doing a damn good job of it to! However trying to copy what's come before in a bigger newer form isn't original. It's already been done. Also there's the reasons I've already listed. TOS was a product of it's time. Closely locked into current events. Even that book you sited states that again and again. Time for a product of these times. And as much as I have a nostalgic fondness for the old Battlestar Galatica it's really pale in comaparison to the types of stories ( and FX ) they've been able to do in the reimagined version.
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but that was from Star Trek V,Final Frontier. Movie stunk, but you gotta love the line by Kirk "Uh excuse me,why does God need a spaceship."
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that would hurt.
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Are you sure you've taken your meds today?
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Just checking...I'm here for you, guy...if you need to talk
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Oh, man, don't you guys get it?
OK, here's reasoning why the Enterprise is easily capable to land: AG, short for AntiGravity.
Well as we all know, every StarTrek's Enterprises is able to have Gravitation(that's the reason, why all the Characters don't fly through the Ship)
and if you use it countered(upside-down), it should also be able to lift a ship, or to decrease it's wheight to a point, where even the manoeuvring-Thrusters should be enough to lift the ship.
As it goes for Warping in an Athmosphere, well, it might damage it, so it's only used in emergency-situations, i think.
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How exactly is that going to work in the vacuum of space where there is no air that a turbine engine must have. I can overlook implausibilities but why have something so blatantly stupid? Or does this Enterprise just fly around in the earth's atmosphere? And if so I would just like to restate---WTF????
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Seems like JJ is a Spock fan.
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The world needs the Shat.
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But Trek has been popular without Shat.
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You know the ones: Overlarge head size, yellow shit stuck on their teeth, love to dance the Time Warp. So why is it? And have you ever met one who isn't a nerd or a closet homo?
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I don't like Star Trek. But this teaser made me want to go see this movie. So I will. And I think I'll like it.
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..I stand corrected..must have been Uhuras' carnal gyrations..got me dizzy..
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Cuz I just got a new gun rack and I need somewhere to hang it on.
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and JJ totally screwd the pooch. Not to mention it's again written by his hackish minions Kuntzman and OrcShit...
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Too TVish.
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was that only supposed to be in certain markets? movie was awesome, but surprisingly, my theater did not play the trek trailer...anyone else not see it?
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Directors cut of TMP, TWOK, Voyage Home, Undiscovered Country, and First Contact.
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I know what you mean
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I still think it has the single best sequence of all Trek-dom, where Kirk and the crew watch baffled as the Enterprise appears to fire on the Klingon ship for no reason and all hell breaks loose. I frickin' love that scene!!!
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Seriously.
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JJ is a fool!!! [Signed George Lucas]
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I should have never watched that shit fuck of a video. Ruined it for me damn those pirates!!!! Damn harry too...
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its a teaser so i wasnt expecting much, it was well done...i like jj abrahms for lost and for cloverfield, but to call M:I3 the best of the series is crazy....it was a mess from beginning to end, really hard to watch.....as for the enterprise being too heavy to be in an atmosphere, in the original series it was inside the atmosphere when it beamed that pilot out of his jet...the bird of prey from star trek 3 and 4 was roughly the same size as the enterprise and it landed and took off effortlessly, and voyager routinely took off and landed, and in the finale when the had the ship fly through the san francisco sky while fireworks went off....but until i actually see it being built on the ground, meaning actually see the ground ill hold my opinion on that...if it is being built on ground in sections, whats to say that the saucer isnt seperate from the engineering section and the nacelles at that point in the trailer...im just glad everyone got off the "turbine" comments.....dont like the fact that its a kirk-centric prequel, but ill keep an open mind on it..
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on the batmobile when the ship goes to warp.
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I doubt they're turbines. Have you ever seen the inner workings of the TOS nacelles? No. I'm sure they'll be covered. If not, well.. JJ does seem to be going a bit steampunk on us here. That might be a bit TOO retro. I personally liked Enterprise's take on the old tech... the intercom system, the levers and switches and small screens (no Okudagrams)...
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Fuck him and his half baked shit.
Really...who is getting the kickback around here?
Lost sucks, and by all reports so does Cloverfield (I'll know tomorrow).
He reminds me of Lucas...a guy who gets a clever idea, knows the right suits to get the bankroll, but ultimately no clue where he is going with it...making it up as he goes along.
Also, his shit doesn't have a SHRED of believability behind it...which the best Sci-Fi/Fantasy does.
And now this Bastardization of what is without a doubt the most adored and copied Sci-Fi story of all time.
The Cast of the O.C. piloting a Starship built on earth by Grimy USW members? Oh for FUCKS SAKE!
And No Shat? Thats like having Christmas mass in St. Peters without the Fucking Pope!
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but I grew up on repeats of TOS trek and have a head full of Westmalle Triple working its magic.
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of TOS Trek.
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The Way To Eden. The episode with the fucking space hippies. That is the worst episode of Star Trek ever made of TOS. Spocks Brain is Oscar worthy next to that fucking shit fest. I hate that episode.
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And is, point of fact, awesome.
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Man that's dark and blurry... looks like a cellphone cap of a YouTube video. That's not necessarily a crane; maybe just a boom. I can't make out anything that looks like land anywhere in the video or the pic from the other day.
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Well, I liked the trailer... Let's hope the movie's good! (and Cloverfield was great!)
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Jan 19, 2008 12:38:40 AM CST
"Turbines", planet Earth and other whiney-assed complaints
by drfyzziks
Jesus H. Christ ...
Kids, it's a damn trailer. Not only that, but it's a conceptual trailer that isn't showing us a damn single scene from the actual movie. Its whole purpose is to instill a sense of awe and wonder - as in "humanity gets its shit together and builds something as noble and kickass as a starship!".
Now, as for the "turbines". They're obviously not turbines. They're the bussard collectors, which happen to work via magnetic fields. And if you've taken any kind of basic physics course, you'd know all about the Ampere-Maxwell law (basically, a changing electric field induces a magnetic field, and a moving magnetic field can induce current flow) ... so any sort of bigass motherfucking magnets (like those in a bussard collector) might just look like a motherfucking turbine - but I guarantee you that they don't suck in air and jet-propel the ship through the sky. Since my physics degree only covers advances up to the early 21st century, I'm willing to give the movie the benefit of the doubt ... and so should you.
With regards to the whole "built on Earth" thing - OK, so we have some people saying "No! The show's bible says it never lands and can't enter the atmosphere!" ... and we have other people saying "Well according to such and such tech manual, parts were assembled on the ground, blah blah" ... well here's a 3rd one for you: There was a TOS Trek novel called "A Flag Full of Stars" which covered part of the period between the end of the Enterprise's first mission, and the 1st movie. In it, the Enterprise is undergoing a refit, and the saucer section is being essentially rebuilt, on the ground, just outside of San Francisco ... yeah, yeah it's not "canon".... but whatever.
Like I said: I think the trailer is just there to get people talking. We won't see a single scene from it in the actual movie. It's entirely conceptual. Enjoy it for what it is and nothing mroe.
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Canon? Canon, Shmanon. Where are those midichlorians and that new helmsman, Binks? Is OBI-WAN STILL HOLDING HIM BACK!? NOOOOOOOO!!!
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Christmas 2008. And you though "The Phantom Menance" was the bottom of the turboshaft? No, siree!
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It is generally frowned upon in a solar system or near a planet, because of the orbital "traffic" that is near an inhabited planet. Other spacecraft, satelites and such. You don't want to engage warp drive and hit the 24th century equivalent of the Hubble telescope. Also, you don't want to risk engaging warp drive in a solar system, as the FTL speeds involved make it an extremely delicate thing to do in a crowded solar system such as ours with the asteroid belt in between Mars and Jupiter. Starships have navigational deflectors, yes, but they are not foolproof at close quarters. Bottom line, you can do it in an atmospheric environment or near planetary or inside a solar system at your own peril. Starfleet policy says it's Possible, but not reccomended only in cases of extreme emergency. This is citing multiple examples from the various "canon" series and films.
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...nowhere near the genius CLOVERFIELD teaser campaign.
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and I will still will give it a chance but but each little tidbit we get from the production makes me lose more and more hope.
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that really sucked.
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Scroll down to the bottom of this page to see it! http://tinyurl.com/ytg8t7
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Or else I'm getting my money BACK.
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Warp Drive can be initiated in the atmosphere
by uss cygnus Jan 19th, 2008
01:37:16 AM
It is generally frowned upon in a solar system or near a planet, because of the orbital "traffic" that is near an inhabited planet. Other spacecraft, satelites and such. You don't want to engage warp drive and hit the 24th century equivalent of the Hubble telescope. Also, you don't want to risk engaging warp drive in a solar system, as the FTL speeds involved make it an extremely delicate thing to do in a crowded solar system such as ours with the asteroid belt in between Mars and Jupiter. Starships have navigational deflectors, yes, but they are not foolproof at close quarters. Bottom line, you can do it in an atmospheric environment or near planetary or inside a solar system at your own peril. Starfleet policy says it's Possible, but not reccomended only in cases of extreme emergency. This is citing multiple examples from the various "canon" series and films.
I AGREE. IN FACT, IN ONE OF THE BEST TREK NOVELS (PRIME DIRECTIVE) THEY MAKE GREAT USE OF THE IDEA THAT A STARSHIP IS PROHIBITED FROM AND HAS NEVER ENGAGED WARP IN THE GRAVITATIONAL WELL OF A PLANTE BECAUSE THE PREDICTIONS OF THE EFFECTS WERE INTRACTABLE WITH KNOWN PHYSICS. Like the fear that the first atomic bomb test could inadvertently trigger the incineration of the atmosphere. -
This is already much more interesting to me than any of the previous Trek flicks were. Star Trek has been a bore for years, all pointless technobable and regurgitated weak plotting. Dull, dull, dull.
It turned into an afternoon soap with a handful of weird looking folks, yawn. Fingers crossed they don't give a shit about continuity and just focus entirely on making a bloody fantastic movie.
There's been no tangible sense of reality for the longest time. It's been way too plastic, both the sets and the direction.
It's time it had an edge that could cut, maybe then I'd actually give a shit and become engaged by the thing. As for the physics!??? WHO REALLY GIVES A RATS ASS? A physics text book does not make for an interesting story, it's unnecessary and IT'S DULL! -
part 6!NOT in the OS,part 1-5,or TNG!And why should it,when they can repli-thingi endless meals and so on.The kitchen was just there because Nicholas Meyer wanted a ACTION scene in a kitchen(check it guys it is true)!So even back then they gave a flying SHIT about the "canon".And ST is full of such things,because that shit has been around FOREVER and many dudes had influence on the "Franchise".And it will change even more with the new movie.
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...Dolph Lungdren and Freddy Prince Jnr in my front room - HERE'S WHY I CHOSE TO - They're great actors!!! RUMOUR CONTROL - We only watched one trailer.
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I'll wait to see more, but that teaser is fine for what it is.
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Funny, despite all the claims that the script review wasn't real... maybe it's true the ship is being built in Area 51, or right next door at 52. Nimoy's voices sounded ancient, like he's got dentures, but it's a good trailer and will look like a big motion picture unlike Berman's travesties. Still, it's hard for me to get excited about anything that is Star Trek. At least we will have the Indy trailer on Valentine's Day.
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Hug me!
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Jan 19, 2008 8:16:53 AM CST
What the fuck are you guys talking about "built on earth?"
by guy who got a headache and accidentally
Where in the teaser is it indicated that it's ever built on earth you fucking idiots?
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On JJ's Trek (if you can't guess by my screenname, I'm a big LOST fan)... All I was saying is that they sure LOOK like jet turbine engines... I would guess they probably aren't b/c (as I said) that would be just too dumb but I hope they explain why they look like that in the movie.
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Huge TOS Movie fan here, even part 5, that's right you heard me. All that being said, I don't care where the Enterprise was built, it doesn't matter. Life is too short to get worked up over such an insignificant detail speculated from a cell phone footage of a 30 second trailer. Protesters at Kirk's graduation would casue me to rip off my shirt in the theatre and punch an usher, but I can let this one slide.
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But you can't really tell from the teaser. Reliable sources who have read a draft of the script revealed that the Enterprise was built in Area 51 (which sounds kind of gay, although I am trying to withhold judgment...)
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I'm sure MLK would have been proud, but only if no black people get eaten or stomped by Clovercrab. Let me know what you think man! P.S. Ask Bob for a high five, he likes that...
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... but I still got the funny feeling that come Christmas my childhood is going to thrown up onto a pinball machine and gang raped like Jodie Foster in the Accused. -
So, youre in the same boat as me on this steaming pile, huh? Did you catch the last thread that "Bob Orci" was lurking in? I think I spent about two hours or so ripping him a new one for that abortion that was TF. I havent even started on how ignorant this film seems...
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If I've gotta go, I'm going out happy.As for contacting Nick Meyer, the best that Bob could do is rip off some of his old script ideas or take old plot points from Meyer's films and weave them into his Starfleet Academy script (kind of like what Orci does with all his work).
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Orci and crew are the go-to guys you contact when writing a sequel or "polishing" a Bay Turd.
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I don't mind them, really. But please HATE on something you have SEEN, not something you ANTICIPATE will suck... you'll eat less crow as a result.
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I can't tell you exactly what roads to take and such because I've only been in Manhattan a handful of times. Still, were I forced to survive a clovercrab, I would take my survival pack out of my closet (yes, I really have one), grab my glock 17 and two spare clips, mad dog ATAK knife, and a proper pair of boots and whatever clothes the weather demands. After that, I am going to promptly head whatever direction that monster wasn't. The problem with a city like Manhattan is that your routes are completely limited to a relative handful of accessways and, combined with the sheer numbers of people, you can forget about going anywhere fast. The sheer conjestion of pannicky people will preven you from doing anything but walking, bike or no. Honestly, there are just too many factors to dictate what you should or shouldn't do. Such escape plans like boat theft, bridge v. tunnel and which bridge to take, are completely dependent upon weather, conjestion of people, and said monster, that your best shot might actually be to stick it out.
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I think Clovercrab's next destination would most likely be Elizabeth NJ where all the chemical plants are. He strikes me that he'd like a fix of the pollution like the Smog Monster. Then maybe go down to the shore for some sun and fun. I think your best bet is to stay away from the west side as he'd stomp all over it.
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Hopefully the film leads to a new television series (that is, if it's any good). Maybe then we'll see some new characters.
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You can see the turbines much better, the sound quality isn't much better though -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZxm9h3aP3A
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maybe because Tony Soprano lives there?Or what?
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The Enterprise crashes on a deserted planet. Kirk awakens to find the ship on fire and in pieces. He runs around saving the crew, only to hear a strange sound of a screaming monster coming from the distance.STAR TREK
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You young fans need to realize that, in Rodenberry's mind, the Enterprise was always the real star of Star Trek. That is why he put so much thought into its design, look, specifications, and history. Why else would he have imagined two prior captains before the time his series was set? One of them, Captain April, was never even mentioned or shown in TOS, but Rodenberry felt it was imortant to make him part of the ship's history in the minds of his writers. Rodenberry said, and it has been accepted for 40 years, that the Enterprise was built in orbit. You don't screw around for no reason with something that is so central to a myth- it is like a "re-boot" of Superman where C;ark Kent is born on Earth instead of Krypton!!!
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that man's nut set off a metal detector. He would show us the way!
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I dunno, Yack--it depends on the situation, I think. If the people are relatively orderly and following a cordoned area patrolled by police and such, then yeah, its relatively safe. If its ever man for himself time, though, which is far more likely, then its every man for himself.
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would like to know more about that one.
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...gives it the feel of the Captain Archer Enterprise thing. Clearly, John Glenn is a true hero and I even own the documentary GODSPEED, JOHN GLENN. But STAR TREK is supposed to be forward thinking.BTW as I posted in the other Trek TB, the ship building scene borrows heavily from STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE.
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Jan 19, 2008 11:54:05 AM CST
DURING A CLOVERCRAB ATTACK, IT'S TIME FOR PUBLIC SEX
by bringingsexyback
I mean, no cop is gonna stop you right?
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But I think there was a lot of JON PETERS bullshit in it(but no GIANT FUCKING SPIDER)!Lets see what he does with ST.
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Lost is proof that given the right marketing and fanboy hype, simpletons will indeed watch a test pattern.
Plot? Story line? Believability? Who needs that shit...give them monsters, silly Mcguffins, and a few pretty people and they'll tune in like lemmings week after week no matter the inane "story" we concoct.
I'll say this for JJ and friends...they sure know how to tap the flimsy pocket books of the great unwashed masses. -
who needs in depth characterization, metaphysical philosophy, and so many details you need to watch the show multiple times. Screw that. I'm watching American Gladiator, now that's a show!
Although, I'm not sure how involved J.J. is on Lost. He's a co-created and he's directed a couple of episodes but is it really his show? Other than Lost I'm actually pretty unfamiliar with his work. I tried to watch Alias once but I couldn't really get into it, and while MI3 was the best of the series, I thought the first two sucked so he had a very low hurdle. All in all, I don't think J.J. has yet to really knock one out of the park. -
Oh my god, that was wonderful.
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Hmph, must be all the money.
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Yeah, I get a lot of flak for hanging on to my beloved 17, but I ALWAYS prefer the route of reliability when it comes to my weapons, tools, and equipment. While I do agree that a 9mm round doesnt have the stopping power of the higher calibers, the Glock 22 and 37 do have some issues. In my opinion, the most reliable model of the most reliable pistol is the glock 17. On a side note, you should have seen the amount of hair I pulled out when dealing with my M-16 back in the mid 80s. I'm still pissed about it...
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Anyone see this bigger anywhere?
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But I've seen torture up close. I've seen those things fire accurately after being buried in sand and dropped from a 10 story building. Just another example of the edge one gets from simplicity.
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Still, all this banter about the glock aside, as I understand it, a Glock 17 is classified as an assault weapon in NY and is thus not allowed in the city. The really annoying part is that legislation is on the rise for an outright ban of any weapon that isn't a shotgun, hunting rifle, or revolver in all of the state. Yet another reason why I'm seriously considering moving out of Buffalo...
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concerning firing at people breaking into your house.
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We can shoot anyone on our property who we deem to be a threat, no questions asked. Google the "Stand Your Ground" law and then think twice about visiting Florida.
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good ol`Chainsaw!
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Sure there's a breathable atmosphere and gravity, but what's not to say that's being generated in space dock?
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Kirk assumes command after Pike is promoted. Pike completed the 5 year mission prior to Kirk's.
Are the shots in the trailer the ship being repaired/upgraded?
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This could be good. It could also be really shitty, so I'm going with the latter.
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http://www.themoviespoiler.com /Spoilers/cloverfield.html Sounds okay, but JJ ain't getting my $10 until Star Trek, and maybe not even then.
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Sure, it may seem eccentric now but you never know.
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The USS Constitution - NCC-1700 built in 2241, never put into service. Once the design had been proven, the Enterprise was the first of 11 built. NCC-1701 was completed in 2245. It was built on Earth, in the San Fran ShipYard. It then flew into orbit under its own power, using Impulse, at which point the Anti-Matter Engines were installed. Just to clear things up, yes, the Enterprise is quite capable of going into the atmosphere, stationing itself a few hundred feet over an area, then putting itself back into orbit. Why did'nt they ever do that? 1) the anti-gravity fields would probably do a number on anything underneath it. 2) the anti-matter core on the ship has enough energy to vaporize an M-Class planet. 3) they have transporters and shuttle-craft.
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I guess you know more about the abilities of the Enterprise than GENE RODENBERRY!! Quit making up your own rules and read the fucking STAR TREK BIBLE QUOTE I quoted in full above! You kids today are such pompous assholes! I finally saw the trailer today in the theater, and am fairly convinced it is meant to be nothing more than a symbolic representation that the movie is "under construction," and is NOT a scene from the movie.
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anything over than 10 rounds is considered high capacity and thus, illegal in the state of NY. You can, of course, modify the magazine or, in my case, get a few magazines that were made before the ban, before 1994, but as I understand it, your sidearm is still considered illegal in NYC, ban or no. Not too sure, however, because I don't live in NYC.
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not all glocks are considered assault weapons, just the ones with more than a ten round mag capacity.
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Ok I'm not a kid ( born on May 10 1953 ). You made me go into my liberary and pull out that old book! " The Making Of Star Trek " " What It Is - How It Happened - How It Works "
By Stephen E. Whitfield . Gene Roddenberry
Copyright 1968
I quote from page 171 :
" The unit components were built at the Star Fleet Division of what is still called the San Francisco Navey Yards, and the vessel was assembled in space. The Enterprise is not designed to enter the atmosphere of a planet and never lands on a planet surface. "
So that should clarify and settle the matter. No it's not supposed to enter a planet atmosphere ( although we did see this in the episode " Tommorrow Is Yesterday " which by the way got a really great makeover by CBS digital for ST remastered ) however the components were made on the surface and assembled in space. What we see in the trailer appears to be components being made. So until we see it fly up into orbit it doesn't interfere with your continuity. And even so this is a reimagining.
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Glock reviews, Trek continuity nerds, and Abrams' Superman script. Well done.
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MMM bacon!
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None of the welders are wearing space suits! You can see their skin, faces, etc. Can't do that in space, man! Also, you can't weld in outer space: No O2, no fire, right?
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Maybe it is his family?
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using 21st Century welding equipment? It can't possibly be done.
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Okay, two things: you're very geekily quoting from The Making of Star Trek, "The unit components were built at the Star Fleet Division of what is still called the San Francisco Navey Yards, and the vessel was assembled in space." Look at that trailer - you've got the saucer, you've got the nacelles behind it, in the same position they're always in (with their big jet turbines), obviously supported by something that's probably the pylons - the damn things already assembled and its on the fucking ground! That's not "component units", its the whole fucking ship! With fucking spot welders, cranes, scaffolding, and if you look hard enough, probably a blacksmith with a hammer and anvil, a horse and buggy, and somebody shoveling coal. Which brings me to the other thing - I don't give a shit if its canon or not; it looks FUCKING STUPID! Like Abrams and Orci and their ilk are building the motherfucking Love Boat. All that bullshit Orci is spouting on that circle jerk TrekMovie site about "oh its a metaphor for building our future and its literally and metaphorically grounding Star Trek in our future" - bullshit! And totally gay on top of the bullshit! Show some damn futuristic shit and not some grimey UAW grunt with a spot welder! Its so ridiculous that they're turning their noses up at the original show's 60s retro future at the same time they're embracing the motherfucknig building of the Titanic! And you KNOW what happened to the fucking Titanic! It went DOWN, just like Anthony Pascale goes down on JJ Abrams!
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Metaphorically, proving how sophisticated and above it all I am.
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I was very worried until I saw the trailer today in the theater. Not only is it fully assembled on the ground, there is clearly a city behind it in the background. It is so clearly stylized that I believe it is not meant to be taken literally. Having said that, if it turns out the guy in the wife-beater t-shirt and goggles welding really IS a scene from the movie, then the movie is going to be a travesty.
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I run 124gr +P Gold Dot Hollow Points in my USP, their gelatin performance is solid. They're not the 200gr +P Gold Dots I run in my 1911, but they're still effective.
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"It is so clearly stylized that I believe it is not meant to be taken literally."
Having read Orci's *ahem* "interview" at TrekMovie and having waded through the ocean of mutual masturbation that surrounds his talkback comments, I don't have a doubt its meant to be taken metaphorically AND literally. Read it for yourself if you can stomach all the slavering up-sucking praise to Orci. -
I hope Abrams can make a Star Trek film that is better than "Wrath of Khan" (which, is considered to be the "Empire Strikes Back" of the Star Trek films and I agree), but I think Abrams is overrated. Yes, he has some nice ideas, but I don't think they are well executed. I will see Cloverfield tomorrow, because I love monster movies, but I'm not expecting to be blown away. Anyway, we shall see if the new Star Trek film "re-energizes" the franchise. I will say that I think it's cool Quinto is a younger Spock and Nimoy is also in the film.
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And no one can make a good movie? Its a rare film indeed with a trailer that doesn't at least look cool. Even 'Ghost Rider' appeared good with that Sam Elliot VO "The Rider's the Devil's bounty hunter..."
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Kirk is a better captain than Picard. My arguement: the power of Kirk's wang nearly caused war multiple times vs. I can't remember Picard ever getting any space action.
**Note: Riker is a close second to Kirk. Commander William Riker is the sole reason I wish they made R-rated Star Trek movies. He boldly goes where no man has gone before (even alien species flock to his apparently magnetic member) -
Seriously. All of you people whining about the built-on-Earth/built-in-space crap. You're losers of the highest order. COULD YOU FUCKING PLEASE FIND SOMETHING EVEN LESS FUCKING SIGNIFICANT TO ARGUE ABOUT?
Holy fucking Jebus, this is bad even by Trek nerd standards. You're right -- it would be much better to have more pap like Insurrection and Nemesis but be true to canon, because THAT'S what matters, right? Fucking A. Personally, I'm just worried about the story being good. They could build the Enterprise at an abandoned Ford factory in Michigan for all it fucking matters. -
I bet Orci and Adams and company are laughing their asses off. "Shit, all we have to do is even suggest something like the ship's being built on Earth, and they get their panties in a twist!"If I were them, I'd really wind you losers up with the next trailer. Maybe show Spock getting a knobber or something. It'd be interesting to see how many simultaneous aneurysms occurred.
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"You're right -- it would be much better to have more pap like Insurrection and Nemesis but be true to canon, because THAT'S what matters, right? Fucking A."
So its either/or, then? Can't have a kick-ass movie that doesn't also piss on the 'canon' or feature silly writerly flights of fancy like having a unbalanced, top-heavy, 190000 ton spaceship built on scaffolding with cranes and blow torches? Get with the fucking program, mook. -
is a dose of common fucking sense.
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Let's look at this factually. Fact #1: Lost is good. Fact #2: I like Lost. Fact #3: You should like Lost.
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The trailer is not canon. I doubt any, any of those shots will be the film itself.
The trailer is a metaphor for the FILM ITSELF being put together.
The ship in the film will not be built by 21st century welders, OF COURSE.
Now can we get over this nitpicking of what is, must I remind everyone, a YEAR EARLY teaser trailer. It's simply designed to tell people that didn't know that a new Star Trek movie is coming. -
Please shoot yourself, thanks.
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"The trailer is not canon. I doubt any, any of those shots will be the film itself.
The trailer is a metaphor for the FILM ITSELF being put together."
Keep telling yourself that. According to Roberto, they had long discussions about "how the warp engines have to be built in the gravity well of a planet to be balanced", I kid you not. So that's a lot of geeky brain power wasted on somethnig that's supposed to be "only a metaphor". Read what he said. And AGAIN, I don't give a fuck about "canon" or not. My point is (A) building a ship that big and awkwardly shaped on a planet is FUCKING STUPID on its face and (B) sweaty steelmill workers welding the damn thing together with BLOWTORCHES is their idea of how to get audiences that stopped giving a shit about all things Star Trek 15 years ago excited about this movie? THAT'S the BEST they can come up with?? What the fuck??? People under 30 are JEERING, BOOING, and MOCKING that trailer all across the country this weekend! Metaphor or not, the trailer blows! -
Why spend all that money for a shot that doesn't even appear in the movie? This isn't some crap fan film that no one ever gets to see.
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What a shocker on the trailer!
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"We work hard. We play hard." *EVERYBODY DANCE NOW!!!*
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Didn't think my point was that difficult. No, it's not either/or, but if it WAS either/or, which would you pick?My point is that this is such a tiny, trivial thing that it's insane to get all worked up over it. My point is that IF it's a terrific movie, nobody will really give a fuck where the damned ship was built except for sad losers, and if the movie sucks, it won't matter where the ship was built.Get some fucking perspective.
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It's the stupid details that differentiate Trek from something like Space AOB and BSG, and I LOVE that stuff... gritty 21st century-projected-into-space sci-fi. I just don't think you need to do that to Trek to make it 'hip' or whatever. Trek was always about imagining the 'gritty reality' of an idealized future. I look at the design of the original Trek and I see a prototype for the future right down to flip phones and car dashboards. If TOS had just been typical 50s-60s lowbrow cheese our culture would be poorer for it today.
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Scroll down to the bottom of this page to see it! http://tinyurl.com/ytg8t7
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Jan 20, 2008 12:39:27 AM CST
Selected "Space AOB" is some of the best TV Sci-Fi Ever Filmed
by uss cygnus
Col. T.C. McQueen baby. Bill Buchanan was Jack Bauer before Jack Bauer was cool.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p5KOq6Ekwg ****
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M07ltuAYqzc&feature=related ****
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S:aab was great, the chigs are still so cool!
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Just curious...
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R. Lee Ermey in the first episode training marines. A PG version of a futuristic Hartman. The Wild Cards only made it so far because of Hartman.
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see my earlier post. Thief Bagginses we hates it.
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and McQueen was The Man. Chiggy wastes everybody, then McQueen, who's been grounded comes out and shows him who's in charge.
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Great fucking show. Too bad it only lasted a season. Killed, once again, by the Fox network.
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You enjoy making a lot of meaningless noise don't you? The only reason I quoted that book is because mpd1958 was using it first!
I'm sorry you guys can't get past your preceived ideas about this but some people just stop growing at certain times in their lives. -
RD: Yeah, quoting other people quoting a 40 year old book about Star Trek, that's real deep emotional growth. I don't give a fuck about the fucking 'canon'. Building that hulk on earth is STUPID and that trailer is BORING. Canon, schmanon. Moving on ...
Biter: Oh no, I got your point. You don't seem willing to wrap your brain around mine, i.e. there's no reason for such a widely-perceived wunderkind like Mr. Abrams - with his 'aw shucks, i'm just a geek like you guys' attitude and his 'gosh. my TV shows sure start to blow after one season' - not to be able to pull off both tricks at once, instead of your glass half full, glass half empty paradigm. People who like the details will be happy and people who don't know the details won't know the difference. Can. You. Understand. Me. Now? I doubt it. -
Apparently for all your " Smarts " your reading retention is't so great. Like I said the other guy used that book first so you have to include him in your tirade. As for what Mr' Abrams can do " Cloverfield " is doing quite well at the box office but I guess you're too busy being full of yourself to notice. Stop now please. You're starting to sound like a troll.
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Above and Beyond. We're geeks. It had aliens, decent looking chicks, things that blow up, and a good storyline. What was not to love?
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Don't we have to by law terminate this TB?
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For all you idiots who think that Star Trek Canon doesn't matter, you don't even understand Star Trek at all. Star Trek is a fully-realized universe, with all its own rules, traditions, and histories. The Enterprise is an ICON of science fiction, as is its imagined history. If you want to ignore all that, go ahead, BUT DON'T CALL IT STAR TREK!!!!
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http://trekmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/entyard.jpg
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What were we supposed to see? Your link didn't work.
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Ok I took the space out in content and it worked. Is there any confirmation that this is really from the movie?
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It's a fan made image.
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Oh no. When was it announced she was in this?
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Leonard Nimoy kicks ass.
He cannot be replaced.
When this trailer appeared before Cloverfield (in front of a packed house of teens and college kids)...it was total indifference...as if it was just another Star Trek movie. Actually I think a lot of people were confused, as they used those historical lines from real history, then show a spaceship and a logo. I highly doubt it will stay in peoples memories. -
Jan 20, 2008 7:41:06 PM CST
Haha Trekkies now are feeling what Transformers fans felt last s
by gibsonusa
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That's it--I'm done. No more. Finito. I simply do not care about this progect any more.
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As far as Star Trek canon, rules, and such goes, I suggest you go to YouTube and search "Star Trek movie mistakes". I like Star Trek too, but it plays fast and loose with its "rules, traditions, and histories". I'm seriously hoping the people making this movie purge the Rick Berman faggotry that spoiled modern Star Trek in all its forms (just think of Wesley Crusher as a giant metaphor for what that fucker has wroth).
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movie grossed over 6 million so far. Trek films barely reach 80 million.
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Thats how you rake in the cash.
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how everybody seems to know the exact plotline of this movie, when we've really heard nothing beyond some rumors here and there. We don't really know anything. Anything we know officially doesn't really contradict much in the way of "canon" as far as I can tell. The ship built in orbit? Nothing very definitive about that. Kirk and Spock shouldn't know each other in the Academy? Some semi-official sources place say their four year terms there overlapped. Someone complained that Kirk would be taking command right out of the Academy, which we in fact have no official word on. Just wait and complain when you actually KNOW something, everybody.
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im starting to worry about this film a lot. Its just not gunna be the same with a bunch of young actors playing roles that we associated so feverishly with the original cast plus the enterprise is never gunna look as good as 1701 A
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The whole idea of the images of the Enterprise being built dovetails with the current tagline that we're seeing everywhere of "Under Construction" and may just be mean to indicate that there is a new Trek being made, but that what we're seeing may not be anything shot for the film.
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Official version online at yahoo movies
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Thanks for the Yahoo link... wow, looks like some curvy engines there at the end (cue complaints I guess)...
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