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Ever wanted to see the Enterprise being built? Here ya go, compliments of JJ Abrams!
Hey folks, Harry here - got sent this by about 75 rabid Star Trek fans - and since I just got through with mail, I'm posting it in the the vain hopes that the flood will subside. If you click on the image below - you'll see it full size - and that's where it is pretty darn impressive.... although - watching it move on the Trek teaser before CLOVERFIELD is probably the best way to see this shot... till then, here's all ya got though...
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The engines have turbines?
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That is a pretty cool looking pic
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'nuff said.
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That better not be Area 51. Just saying.
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your penis is too small
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Someone was gonna say it
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Bee-yoo-tee-ful!
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and the chocolate-covered dilithium juice
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We've seen pictures like this before. It's not a big deal at all. Maybe it was better in the trailer.
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Just sayin'... would you get out the Letraset and stencil on the pretty decals before you'd put it all together? :-)
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You forgot to add nipples onto the nacelles also!
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before they paint it royal blue with red racing flames
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...it appears they have the starboard toilets in the wrong place. Oh wait, I just remembered, nobody gives a shit!
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I remember and reading the Enterprise was built in space? So, does this confirm that Area 51 stuff?
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The FX in this craptrocity in the making were never the concern. It's the tiny 90210 actors who no one can see reprising these classic roles that bring much consternation. Give us a shot of the main cast in costume and hey, maybe all will be forgiven. But until that time, I'm treating this new Trek like the Terminator franchise is treating "T3": it didn't fucking happen.
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These are the voyages of the Starship Enterprise... to boldy go where no man has gone before... dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun
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Trek has been needing a re-intro for a while now, if anything just to give it a chance outside of the cult following. Grunty....Simon Pegg, Zachary Quinto, Urban...these are GOOD ACTIORS. Get over it. NO ONE WORRY ABOUT THE COSTUMES as they look JUST LIKE the original, only a bit darker....also, the women have bee-hive like hairdo's and the design is VERY 60's. Just saying...I'm not worried.
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Looks good - I'm sure Shatner has nacelle envy!
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But not in space? Curious...hmmm
Heard the Vulcans are building it. As a favor... -
And a "Who Farted?" Bumper sticker
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I gotta admit this is looking good from an artistic direction POV.
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This movie IS going to enflame the core fans...of which I consider myself. I hear they are trouncing on alot of continuity...like that Robert April and Pike never commanded the Enterprise...it goes right to Kirk after construction. All I want is a good Star Trek movie...haven't had one of them in a while. Peace. But I hear that Zach Quinto is doing a DEAD ON Nimoy.
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...we fucked up. The toilets are supposed to be next to the games room. Think they'll notice? :D
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It's not as if the original ST cast was comprised of brilliant actors. Also, Shatner was most definitely a pretty boy in his prime, when the original show aired. I'm not a huge Abrams fan nor am I sure this reboot will actually work, but I'm curious how this will turn out.
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It does look cool though.
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I really am curious about this movie and think it can be very cool. "Can." I hope it is. There's a teaser before "Cloverfield"? I hope it goes online soon after! :)
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Some....THING! ...wait...a jet engine
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considering that they DO have Captain Pike in the cast, what do you think they're gonna do, have him look at the ship and whine "I wish i was gettin' that one..."?
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You knew it was coming.
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1) In TOS The 1701 Nacelles had some sort of Spinning Impeller
2) Star Trek Star Fleet Technical Manual from 1976 indicated that the Ship was constructed in San Francisco Disasembled shipped into orbit and Final reassembly in orbit. -
Was that from one of the movies? Or script? & If they were infact constructed by the gays. Wheres the Turbine nipples and fabulous VW symbol on it?
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I love it!
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Also "The Counter-Clock Incident" has Robert April (first captain of the Enterprise) also stating that the Enterprise main components where built at the San Fransisco Navy Yards. Its one of those facts that fandom mutated just like Spock was the first Vulcan in starfleet (despite the Intrepid being a ship entirely crewed by Vulcans.)
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No one would have ever mistaken Shatner in his Trek-prime for a just out of high school "boy;" whereas Chris Pine screams, "I just arrived from my CW Network casting call. Where's my copy of Blender, my hair mousse and my bottle o' rub-on bronzer?" I doubt Pine could throw a convincing two-fisted punch to the back of the neck of a brawling Klingdom. Dome-ridged or not.
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Frodo T. Baggins
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0345340744/ref=sib_dp_pt/105-4775435-1037201#reader-link
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JJ Abrahms made Mission Impossible 3. It was a terrible film. This has been written by a couple of geeks who think that cramming it full of Star Trek injokes will make it a good film. You never get a fan to make a Star Trek film. Doesn't work. Nicholas Meyer didnt like it.
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too bad they made baffling casting choices.
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Sorry, I'll go on a 10 minute joke restriction.
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looking forward to this.
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It looks like this film might be a little more of an Earth-centric story now, huh? I'm excited!
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can't wait for this
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This is a big Budget star trek film! That picture looks great; the ship has the old body, but the details, the textures, the lighting... JJ will be bringing the old ship to the future & throwing a mass of new FX at it. It will be a massive leap forward. Bring on the new actors I say... it will be refreshing to see new faces. I'm definitely looking forward to it!
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where's Boborci when you need a punching bag?
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Wasnt Kirk in his mid 30's when he took command? Now he gets command straight out of Starfleet?
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The Pre-Refit 1701 Was listed in the Star Trek Tech Manuals at 947 Feet which is over 3 football fields.
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...with Mr Motivator and Keith Orville.
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Hands-down one of the absolute funniest presumed unintentional spelling errors I've EVER read on this site or anywhere for that matter.forget the news that bernanke is lowering interest rates and the market's in the toilet, THIS enterprise constructed by the GAYS is the news of the day! where's nice gaius with a song when you need him?
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Jan 17, 2008 3:22:07 PM CST
And they give command of this vessel to fresh graduates...
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riiiiiight.
MBAs who don't run like scared bunnies and try to turn hero in Cloverfield..
People who survive a 747 breaking apart at 40K ft.
And now A pimply faced crew given command of a brand new starship.
JJ..at least make plausible fantasy..really put SOME sense of the "real" into it.
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This will be a top 3 favorite movie of this year.
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TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.
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I think this film is more for the passive fan. Everybody knows about Star Trek but dont know or give a fuck about cannon. And as a passive fan I have to say I'm interested in the new Trek. I think some of the cast is great, and we shouldnt worry about the names we know. Pine and the like I'm not sold on yet. None of us can really say till it hits. Remember the hate for Craig as Bond? Look how that turned out. For now I'm taking the wait and see approach.
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I cannot follow a leader who is bald.
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Maybe i suck at science and physics, etc. -which is a very distinct and real possibility- but how could turbines work in space with no air and thus no wind?
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in reading all this area 51 construction stuff I figured everyone was alluding to the fact that the 1701 was built by the gRays in a51. so when I read your post I assumed you left out the R. but now that I read the entire post I wonder if I got this all wrong? oh who cares? I think the pic looks awesome. I'll see the movie regardless of whether the ship was built by gays, grays or laser rays.
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age 32. I don't think it was ever mentioned in any of the shows, it was one of the books which as entertaining as they are, are considered non-canon. The Trek Encyclopedia may have something else to say on the matter. It is interesting that Kirk was the youngest captain in the history of starfleet until the one who, well I forget her name, but she made an appearance in TNG along with The Hills Have Eyes guy. It mentioned she broke Kirk's record, then she was killed the same episode. If you remember it was a first season episode where those little scorpion/crayfish things were taking over the bodies of starfleet officers.
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... = 2008: Turbines on the nacelles!
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this films going to shit on anyone who knows anything about star trek. whether that will make it successful or not is an open matter. if i was in it for the money id fuck with the whole thing endlessly to appeal to a different audience as well. do you know i dont believe ive ever seen a trek film in the cinema? this wont change that unless i hear great things.
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and I've REALLY missed that hilarious total fucking destruction guy. so good to see the recession hasn't slowed you down.
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on Paramount Blu-Ray Disc! ;)
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you knuckle heads ever seen star trek? In the nacelles - there was always things turning - those are not turbines as we know them - and the cover that goes OVER them are not in place yet.
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Out of the two, they probably hired Pegg because all Americans think Scottish people are ginger.
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perezhilton.com since this morning. You folks are getting sloooooow!
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Most Sources list the Age of Kirk taking command at between 29-31. Assuming He Graduated at 23 and the USS Farragut his first Assignment not counting the time he spent on the USS Republic while still at the Academy.
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Thoughts?
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In so it should be able to take off from earth, right? Which would make assembly in space completely cost prohibitive and bad business, right?
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...how do you feel about Perez Hilton replacing you as the nets most famous blogger? It pisses me off!!!
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It's a nice tie to Zefram Cochrane's warp ship that was built on Earth.
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They're, um... Gravometric... hyperspatial... velocity tachyon thrusters. Yeah, that's the ticket.
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Wrath of khan will still be the best star trek movie ever made. This won't even be able to surpass a hair on its balls. That movie was just too good folks... a damn masterpiece. yeah i said it. But go ahead and try.
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Orci and Kurtzman tho....ugh.
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Tryla Scott the TNG episode Conspiracy
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See Hot Fuzz and Shaun of the Dead Simon gives great Flustered.
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The saucer is different tho. Incorperates elements, thats for certain.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i1Mdhuj4uk
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Many of the guest stars on TOS were "flavor of the day" picked from among the contract players, and when he brought one in from outside they were often cheese- or beefcake pinups. I remember my Mom watching every second of Space Seed because of Montalban and ignoring every other episode.
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It looks great but I have the same issue about it being built on earth, we'll see how they play that.
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However one can hope that these "actors" will live up to the title. Maybe spend some time in the gym, get a different haircut, etc. Or, they could suck something fierce. Hopefully they understand the gravity of the iconic shoes they are stepping into.
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...Pegg is a very good comedic type actor... but he isn't a very good actor - now he's with the big boys - Eric Bana. His cameo in MI:3 was another gimmick, JJ must of love SOTD.
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I just watched The Englishman Who Went Up a Hill and Came Down a Mountain last night. Colm Meaney was in it and was great as ususal. I'm glad he never got typecast as O'Brien. The movie was okay, it had it's moments, but I've seen better Irish/English comedy. I still haven't gotten around to Waking Ned Devine for some reason.
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in the teaser trailer is the Enterprise being constructed on EARTH?? Whathafuk? I thought that all of the starships were constructed in space due to their size making it cost prohibitive to build, much less have them take off from a planet's surface.
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...for messing up star trek. Just kidding! Looks cool.
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at least they aren't saving the fucking whales in this one
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Having to haul all that stuff up there, much less the labor costs of building it in a zero gravity/air environment? Do they contract out stuff (like the turbines), or is it all in-house? Why would there be a significant cost in taking off from earth? It would be doing that regardless in the future (landing and taking off)right?
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Jan 17, 2008 3:53:15 PM CST
It's supposed to be built on Earth & assembled in space
by rickey henderson
How freaking hard is it to get that right? Bleh. Still, the ship does look pretty awesome.
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The way I always understood it, the ships were so massive that they needed zero gravity to get the thing put together. And as far as I can recall, starships never actually landed on a planet. (they crashed a couple of times on one though) They used shuttlecraft and transporters to move people and equipment from place to place.
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One of the better episodes, Voyager landed on a planet where they met Amelia Earhart, and other cryogenically preserved 20th century popsicles grabbed by some aliens.
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That's why I was asking if the ship was being ASSEMBLED on Earth. Sounds like that's what Harry is bitching about. No one was saying the thing was manufactured in space.
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The turbine-like things are fine as long as they get coverings. Here is something from youtube showing both original and remastered versions of the original. Both have moving components behind the nacelle caps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l44Xrsgonw&feature=related
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Believe it or not, when it was first run, my cable system didn't carry UPN. And was Voyager a full size starship? It always looked smaller to me.
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...the jizz on the monitor of the average Star Trek anorak :oÞ
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Sounds like you must be from Europe, or better educated than I on the geography. England is called England, Great Britain, Britain, The United Kingdom, and the truth is most of us yanks don't know what the differences in the names mean if anything. Meaney's character was Welsh, as you say, but isn't Wales part of Great Britain, or am I just woefully uninformed. I mean Charles is the Prince of Wales so it's all rather confusing to non-Brits, or me at least. I guess I could go on wikipedia and educate myself, but I thought I'd give you first crack.
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Maybe building the Enterprise on Earth was a gigantic fucking disaster, so they started building them in space? I don't understand why this is a problem.
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Did somebody say that captain Pike is going to be in this? For the longest time as a kid, I only had "The Cage" pilot episode on video, and that was my only exposure to TOS, so I thought Pike was the shit and when I finally saw reruns of the rest of the series I was like, "who is this Kirk fool?" Anyway, it would be cool if Pike allowed Kirk to take control on a whim, and then Kirk got his ass booted to a lesser ship at the end of the movie, with the understanding that he had a good track record with the Enterprise should the Captain position ever become open...
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the ship looks cool. We should all be reserving most judgements til we get a true trailer and more stills. as for the casting, someone above metioned Daniel Craig, a lot of people gave that reboot a bitch slapping before it came out and it turned out to be one of the best Bond films ever. Also, even though Star Trek has a large cult following the generla public finds Trek pretty boring these days and it is not on most people radar. This film does not erase the earlier works. We need to let this film stand on its own merits.
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I don't know how big that makes it, but it would be smaller than the Galaxy Class and Sovereign Class. I think this was the one and only time it landed, so I guess it's the one and only time any starship landed. I could be wrong on that though. If you recall though, Star Trek IV had a great landing sequence albeit a Klingon ship. Voyager was not a perfect show, but I rather liked it. The let's screw around with time episodes, and there were a lot of them, were my favorites.
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Good call, big guy. Pic looks cool to me. I actually thought, on first sight, that this was just a pic of guys building a big set. But I guess its supposed to be an "in-movie" shot? I dunno. And what's all this talk of Area 51? Please explain.
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No worries dude.Wales is the bit on mid west coast of England that pops out. Meaney is Southern Irish which is nothing to do with the UK.They have the EURO,we don't.They can also dance.We can't.
Being Welsh sucks.
But at least I'm not English. HaHaHa.
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captain of the Enterprise before Kirk. Although non-canon since it was the cartoon, I believe Robert April was the first captain of the Enterprise. JJ Abrams is going non-canon on this I bet. If there's time travel involved he'll just pass it off as things changed.
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But to people who watched (most of) the shows and the movies, it seemed they were always built in space. Plus, these things were so damned big that it would make sense if the Federation was that technologically advanced that that would be the way to go. Just one of those things that doesn't mean anything except to geeks like us who're killing some time.
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Anyone reckon Urban can do Southern Gent Accent?
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Shouldn't they have painted on the word Enterprise AFTER they finished building it?
Also, this movie is going to blow.
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Star Trek lV. It was a Klingon Bird of Prey and while considerably smaller than a conventional starship, it was big enough to comfortably house a couple of whales as I recall.
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Us Yanks just don't get it. You're Welsh, but Wales is part of England, but you're not English (At least it looks like that's what you're saying.) I guess that's like someone from Texas saying they're Texan. I dunno. See in the U.S. we have the 50 states, but really don't differentiate. Texas is one of the few exeptions. By the way, I'm half-Irish on my Dad's side. He's your typical full blooded,hot-headed meat and potatoes alcoholic Irishman except he was born in the states. I really should do some more research on my heritage.
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Cool. I am having nacelles for diner with white wine.
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http://tinyurl.com/2bualj
Check out this recut Dark Knight trailer on youtube. Thi s is comedy gold.
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Think a minute. There was no Trek content out there AT ALL, and the most recent stuff has been steadily declining.
We get film-sized effects, JJ Abrams (would you rather have Kevin Smith?) and best of all it's based on the Original Series!
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If they are in this they are just so boring."Ooh,we're like Vulcans but with less supressed emotions and a bit suspicious". I'm still looking forward to the film though. Oh, apart from Chekov is 12.
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Bruce Greenwood is playing Pike. Seems pretty old compared to a lot of the cast. In the past he has played presidents, including Kennedy.(he also played Jack Dunphy in Capote) I'll bet Pike gets killed, unfortunately, hopefully not by those morphing time aliens from Enterprise.
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'Area 86, the sprawling Federation techno-metropolis that grew from the US government's secret Area 51 base in Nevada was founded by Admiral George T. Kirk in 2159.' - actual script excerpt
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directive, Pike doesn't die. Pike is alive and well in TOS err um well alive anyway. Beep once if you understand me, and twice if you don't.
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What script is that taken from?
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It looks the scale of ENTERPRISE, a mighty fine show! That said, it looks like a cross between the ST:TOS and ST:TMP. They are 1 and 1 so far!
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But my favorite out of the three (you know who I'm talking about) is still Dean Haglund. I look like the guy for fucks sake (hair shorter though).
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What about utopia planatia? also, how does the ship get into the air, if it has no landing gear or runway capacity?
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As much as I've wanted Trek to get some new blood and all, and do not like the direction that this film is taking. Not one bit.
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Mixin up your Canadian Bruces, my friend! I like both, but I prefer Greenwood. I also like Haglund. Who was the short guy? He looks like Brent Butt from Corner Gas, no?
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It was built in San Francisco. IE, built by the Gays. And it looks FEARCE!!!
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That Picture looks grainy.
Aside from my audio visual snootiness. I am sticked for this trailer.
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I really wana go see this but will not as long as shit for brains paramount support the format war. Wake the fuck up its over. you are doing nothing but luring people who don't know any better to a dead format. Your embarrassing yourself and making a fool of startrek.
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harry's wheelchair??
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harry's wheelchair?
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Dude if you are dead on with that, I'm gonna club a baby seal. Fuck that, I'm clubbing a hundred.
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I am aware that it has been theorized that the saucer could land separately--but let's face it...TOS never established that. Also, even if it could land, then the saucer is dead...like that fateful moment in ST:Generations when Will Riker said, "Deanna, take the helm!" The saucer can't do more than crash land...it can't take back off.
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I kind of hope Enterprise will be at least mentioned since the NX Enterprise was the first ship to travel at point five warp.
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Because it's not aerodyanmic for a start. That's why Voyager 'landing' was so significant. It's a smaller, sleeker design than the Enterprise. Everyone knows big crazy shaped space ships should be built in space dock. I suppose you think it would be cool if the Death Star was built in Area 51 as well? Fucking hell, man...
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If you are going to put 'canon' in quote marks at least spell it right.
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While Orci & Kurtzman are clearly cunts, at least the effects look nice.
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Even he made sure the NX-01 was built in orbit. A minor detail I can live with, however, the take off and maiden voyage might be an FX highpoint.
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Specifically, look at the the way decks 1 through 4 (the bridge and bellow) look. Very refit looking Enterprise. Also, the lack of white paint, going with the exposed metal panel look is very much the refit Enterprise. Of course, the warp nacelles appear to be original series nacelles.And Harry is right, the translucent covers are obviously not on the impellers in the nacelles, which if you saw First Contact, Enterprise, and TOS, all of the tubular nacelles that Cochrane designed had rotating impellers.As far as the Enterprise being built on Earth, it WAS built on Earth and reassembled in orbit. It wasn't until later in the timeline (around the refit era) that ships were built in shipyards around Earth and Mars orbit.As far as the movie goes, I can't fucking wait to see it. Any Star Trek movie without the B-B involvement is worth waiting for.I'm just pissed off that they didn't Ronald D. Moore, who basically wrote First Contact, the shot at totally re-doing the series from his perspective. Imagine Kirk-Spock-McCoy saying his dialogue, which if anyone's ever watching DS9 (the best fucking Star Trek series EVER) or BSG, knows is filled with the kind of REAL humanity that is usually missing from Star Trek and Roddenberry's retarded idea of "perfected" humanity. With "perfected" humanity, there is no drama, no reason to watch.I'm a RDM fan, but I await to see what J.J. has ready for us. I'm just hoping there is a little Jack in Bones, a little Sawyer in Kirk, and a little Locke in Spock.
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Close to "International Affairs" adult male dancing club with all you can eat Fiata Friday. Ya know. For delayed flyers that cant get out of San Fran yet dont yet want to leave.
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..not least of all because of the built on Earth shit, but they actually made the founder a relation of Kirk. Is this just one big incestuous galaxy now? Christ it sounds like a fanboy script..
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When Kirk, Spock, Decker and Ilia exit the ship and walk on the hull.
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Wasn't the Enterprise in Picard's era (Enterprise D?) the first one capable of saucer separation? Don't remember it even being discussed on the original series.
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I thought the whole point of this movie was to violate the temporal directive. Is the directive only that people can't be killed, they can only have their careers altered?
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Melvin Frohike, played by Tom Braidwood. Hey, hey I got it right. Correct spelling too. Things are coming up Milhouse!
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Look the kiss of death was given as soon as JJ 'I'll remake Godzilla and try to convince people I'm so smart'said he was a big fan and understood the Trek universe so well. He also said he was a huge Superman fan then proceeded to weave a tale of Superman's non exploding Krypton, chatting to Jor-el at Heaven's Gates, fighting his evil brother and kryptonian buddies after donning his black costume by opening an alien can of pepsi and it leaps onto him. Complete ASS!!!! Oh and by the way all Starfleet Starships are assembled in space and designed not to land in the Kirk era. This is canon and even the previous Enterprise as seen in 'Enterprise' and its sister ship the Columbia are shown being built in orbit. He knows nothing and neither do his wee writer friends
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'After the Eugenics Wars my great grandfather designed Area 86 to be a refuge for Earth's most ambitious scientists, a place for them to escape persecution in a world ravaged by the abuses of scientific knowledge.'
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and great in some cases are not considered canon. Case in point would be the two different versions of how Jack Crusher died; two totally different versions.
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You sir, are a f'n genius
Maybe we should have tried building the International Space Station completely on the ground, instead of modular assembly in low Earth orbit. Yeah, that would have been much cheaper...except for the fact that designing and building a single launch vehicle of the size/power necessary to lift the entire mass of a completed ISS would have cost an order of magnitude more then the ISS program itself. -
Karl Urban played a cowboy in the tv mini Comanche Moon recently, where he used a southern accent.
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...who's gonna get his nose bent out of shape because one of the tiles on the hull is not where it should be. LOL But damn, those turbines just look hokey. I know the conceptual artists and FX guys had to put something in the engine housings we could all relate to, but still... can't quite see turbines working in a vacuum. Seems like the easy way out.
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Kirk is rockin Spinners
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Does anyone think that maybe the ship is going to be tested on the ground and then in seperate parts assemled in space. Just throwing that out there.
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Gonna see Cloverfield this weekend and looking forward to the trailer too. :D
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Is exceedingly uncool. How the hell is that thing gonna get off the ground????
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Jan 17, 2008 4:54:29 PM CST
Sorry Staldo it's the whole Back to the Future
by grammaton cleric binks
or Butterfly Effect thing. Changing one little thing makes for serious reprocussions. Temporal prime directive allows no changes. Otherwise, Voyager's crew could have avoided their scenic trip through the Delta Quadrant on a few occasions.
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Rodenberry always said, the Enterprise components were built in the Oakland Naval Shipyards, and then assembled in orbit. Check his notes.
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As you can tell by my username, I am a self admitted trek geek...but not so much that I know the direct element make-up of a dilythium crystal...anyways, JJ is taking liberties with ST canon...the whole area 51 and Kobiyashi Maru thing....yeah the enterprise is built in orbit in the San Francisco shipyards. Capt Robert April is her first commander followed by Christopher Pike. Finally 15 YEARS later, Kirk gets her! I'll accept (because I have no choice) if he makes it be Kirk as her first commander, but I sure hope this is a refit of an already in service 1701. who knows, maybe (maybe) it has to do with the whole possible plotline of the time travelers that come back, kill Kirk and prompt Spock to travel back to warn his younger self?....and somehow it leads to building the ship in A51?....straws, straws...I grasp.
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Anyone who has seen TOS has seen that on the nacelles there is something on the tips, under some sort of hull/cover that is spinning and for lack of a better word it is a turbine.
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I guess that makes me a geek. Cool.
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to have the Enterprise built on Earth. I could not agree with you more. I pray the other rumors are not true either in regard to April and Pike. Nothing we can do about any of it. The script is written and no changes are going to be made so it is what it is. JJ has a HUGE HUGE shot here to create a cash cow or destroy a franchise with one single movie. Lets hope he gets it right.
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I keep hearing people bitch about this guy not being in the movie. I'm pretty sure he is'nt even Canon.
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That had me on the floor laffin. Now I got this picture of the 'Prise bouncin through the galaxy with the D O double G pumpin outta the stereo while Kirk is blowin the pointy ears dude a shotgun. And Uhura is pourin the Moet in the hot tub. Best crib in tha fleet, yo.
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But it is just one FX picture. To be honest the teaser image of a blue and gold old school star trek emblem excited me more when that was released. Ship looks good, but that's not enough info to form an opinion.
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is gonna be one of, if not the only saving grace of this movie. Admittingly I'm not a HUGE trek fan although I've watched the movies and would gladly watch an episode if it came on tv. It's probably not my place to speculate but my gut is telling me there's something wrong (aside from the neverending continuity problems) with this movie. Something in the core of it is flawed.
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http://www.ussanubis.com/plaque.htm
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it is canon, but according to the animated series he was the first captain. I read/watched some article somewhere with Roddenberry mentioning he planned on using the name, and may have later changed it. I don't recall the details. Bottom line is it was used in the cartoon. Roddenberry had control of the cartoon I'm sure, and how would they come up with the character unless he gave it to the writers, so take that for whatever it is worth.
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Only the movies and the live action TV series are canon. None of the books are canon. None of the comics are canon.
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the only appearance of April was in the animated series. As far as canon, assuming wikipedia is correct, Roddenberry himself deemed TAS non-canon. While April may appear in the Trek Encylcopedia, that compilation is more of a reference source than canon as they include TAS. The way I look it is if The Great Bird of the Galaxy says it's non-canon, then it's non-canon. Who is anyone else to alter his vision. Having said that, Pike was captain of a fully built Enterprise before Kirk, so we'll see what happens in the movie.
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Yes, they were written by people who worked on the series, but the writers don't base the episodes on the reference books.
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what's all this bitchin about where the ship's supposed to be bilt and how old is Kirk supposed to be and other craptacular rants about nothing particularly important or interesting?
don't you get it? this is a REBOOT! ignore everything you thought you knew about Star Trek and enjoy the friggin ride!
FFS!
as for the age of the actors, anyone had the thought that MAYBE he's using young(ish) actors that aren't going to visibly AGE in the next ten years or so for future movies??
considering how OLD the TNG cast looked by the time they made their last few efforts, I think it's a fucking BRILLIANT idea to use 20-somethings - hell, you can CALL THEM thirty fucking seven years old ON SCREEN (38 would be a stretch) if you like... -
in the cage it shows Spock served aboard the fully operational 1701 with Christopher Pike. Spock is at least a few decades older than Kirk, so he joined starfleet and graduated years before Kirk. His lifespan and aging process are much slower than those of a human and he is known to survive well into Picard's time. (plus the thoery is that whatever prompts him to go back in time most likely happens during his exodus on Romulus (after he teams up with Picard and Data)"Unification"
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"he's a maniaac! manniaac oh no! and he's dancin' like he's never danced befoooorre!"....lol jk.
you're right...you're right...all that really matters is that JJ was given the reigns to bring a little of that LOST and Cloverfield magic to a franchise that needed a good dose of new energy and faces.
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Jan 17, 2008 5:35:32 PM CST
skywalkerfamily...not true. TAS is considered Canon
by allpowerfulwizardofoz
Roddenberry went back and forth with TAS as to if it was canon. A large part of it was his frustration with some of the writers and production team. If you watch the documentary on the TAS box set they state it is canon. Matter of fact there are many things taken from TAS that were used later on in both the movies and the future Star Trek series.
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Yes, I believe it does. Notice the steam or whatever that is coming out of some of the unfinished parts? I don't think you'd have steam in space. I could be wrong though. How is everyone else deciding this issue? Is there some interview from JJ or some report from the set that they are IN FACT planning to build the Enterprise on Earth? I am basing it off the steam i see in the photo and my limited knowledge of how a gas would act in space (and i stress the work limited). However some pass off fire in space in some movies, and in THAT case maybe the steam doesn’t mean a damn thing.
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...act in space (and i stress the WORD limited).
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Thanks.
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Seriously, hasn't it died on its arse?
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"What about utopia planatia? also, how does the ship get into the air, if it has no landing gear or runway capacity?"
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The nacelles are equipped to pull interstellar hydrogen through Bussard collectors. The hydrogen is then fed to the hamster that spins the wheel to make the Enterprise fly. Basic 23rd century physics.
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... it is something the uber-Trekkie-nerds hold to be true, no matter how many times they have to be told it is not canon.As far as Star Trek goes, the books, comics, and animated series ARE NOT CANON.This is the opposite of Star Wars, where the Expanded Universe books and storylines are given the thumbs up or down by Jabba the Lucas himself.And YES... the Enterprise was assembled ON EARTH... that IS canon, directly from Roddenberry himself.Stop bitching, Trekkies who think they know better. Stop being like the loser LOTR snobs who couldn't get over the fact that Bombadil was left out of FOTR and that elves showed up to Helm's Deep.This is a REBOOT. There is a reason why there had to be a REBOOT. No one cared anymore. Even the Trekkies couldn't care enough to see the last two horrible NextGen movies or watch Voyager or Enterprise anymore. B-B ran the the series into the ground.Once again, I fully believe they should have turned everything over to RDM (which would be insanely embarrassing for B-B to take, seeing RDM reinvigorate Star Trek), but I am interested in seeing where J.J. takes this.Stop being snobs, Trekkies. Get on the bandwagon now, or get the fuck off. Don't be like all of the LOTR snobs who were so shortsighted BEFORE they ever saw the movies!
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and this is the first time I've trolled. I still like you guys though.
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Why can't we assume that in this age of technological wonders, what with the breaking of the light barrier and transporters among others, that someone actually had enough sense to build the space elevator which would make it easy to build something terrestrially and subsequently haul it into space. SPACE ELEVATOR!
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You just encouraged me NOT to give you any money.
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Some of the TAS stuff was referenced in Enterprise, like Spock's home town, but that came from the writers guide stuff.
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Yes, I'm familiar with the space elevator concept. But if that were true, we should see that elevator sticking up into orbit in every shot of the earth in Star Trek EVER. Unless I'm to assume the built the elevator just to haul up the enterprise then disassembled it. and a space elevator would surely be harder and more expensive to build than the enterprise...
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I try not to troll myself but there's something about StarTrek that brings it out in me.
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@CornNut007: Judging on that Image, it`s built either on Earth, Moon or Mars(so far, there´s no sign for a specific Planet). But as you can see, the Steam is turning into Cloud-forms. As far as I know, Steam would actually leave into Space in a straight stream, as there´s no air to slow it down fast enough to build Clouds that even touches the Hull. Therefore, the Idea of getting the Enterprise built on the Surface, aeparating it into several Parts, to finally assemble it all in Space is quite logical. Also that would give the Design a more understandable Point. And if anyone complains: The Enterprise did enter the Athmosphere in at least one Episode & Offshore-Oil-Rigs are also mainly assemblied on land, before the Assembly in the Sea begins. (written with Wii)
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rabid or otherwise have so much respect for this body of work that we cannot stand the simple fact that someone wants to take Trek history, go back into the past, and change it. Enterprise didn't do that, although it came pretty close a few times. If JJ wanted to do a post TNG movie we'd probably be all for that, but he's trying to change the past it appears. Call it a reboot, call it a re-imaging, call it what you will it's disrespecting the whole series timeline. That's what fans don't like. Granted you have some whiners about the cast choices. As long as it has a good story, and doesn't try to change the past I'll probably see it, and really don't care too much about cast choices. I mean JJ wouldn't want someone taking his work, and doing a prequel to change it, why would he do the same. I'm not saying his is. Hell I haven't read a script, I'm just saying if rumors are true, and that's all they are are rumors, then he's got problems with the fans.
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it appears to be assembled in space, not the space-suit clad figure on the front of the saucer.... everybody relax, it's gonna be too cool.
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Is a tether, attached to an anchor in geosynchronous orbit with the Earth. It could be attached to that huge freaking space station. Plus, maybe we never saw the side of earth where it was located. Additionally, I highly doubt that building a tether out of carbon nano-tubes would cost more than a starship capable of self-sustainability for years on end and fucking faster than light travel! Besides, who gives a shit about cannon? It's a reboot. Canon ? We don't need no stinkin' canon.
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I mean "note" the space suit clad figure...
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Harry, who has seen the teaser, said it's built on EARTH.
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Just beam the bits up. Simple as that. I'm sure Scotty could mumble some techno crap and ,voila, one beamed up spaceship.
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The Enterprise being built on earth is CANON. It was both in the bible for Star Trek as well as was a line in a Animated Series episode.
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[http://zeitgeistmovie.com/] GO, AND WATCH IT! BE PART OF THE REVOLUTION!
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Jan 17, 2008 6:21:35 PM CST
FUCK THE CANON! TREK BECAME PUTRID LIKE HARRY'S FUMUNDA CHEESE
by babba-booey
here's a group of guys that desparately need to develop interpersonal relationship skills, and have first hand knowledge of the proper application of lips upon penis. i share with you a final thought, one that i will be thinking as my darling better half is bobbing her head up and down on my schlong. that thought is: i'm gettin' blown, and the fanboys are stretchin' meat. bless you all. may you all get an std from an orion slave girl at a creation-con.
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You're either the reigning geek of AICN or you're a real-life scientist. I hope the latter.
Greenstyle is right though - it's being built on Earth. And Bob Orci confirmed it on another Talkback. -
Looks like the big Enterprise ship hull classification and name are already embossed on the hull plates before they are installed. Makes sense, however the idea that the name gets spray painted on the hull by a couple a guys in space suits has always amused me for some reason.
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but unbeknownst to him I did the hand sanitizer thing when he turned away. His hands are clammy, beware.
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Where can I get my hands on this Star Trek bible? Was it written by Roddenberry himself or his disciples?
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On the back of the nacelles? Why would a ship in space need rudders?
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Your better half really loves you if she blows you while you type away on your laptop.
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As far as i remember, there's been an ToS-Episode, where they came into contact with an Propeller-Engined Aircraft, and even beamed the pilot aboard the Enterprise.
Also the NX01 had a little dogfighting with Spitfires which had Propellers and Plasma(or Disruptor)-Weapons.
So flying around in Earth's athmosphere isn't such a big deal.
Also for energy-Amounts: Starfleet-Vessles are using an Antimatter-Matter-Reaction to build up Energy, hell, that's more than enough.
In fact, I heard one Scientist talking about the possible Energy-Amount, that even a Teaspoon-full of Antimatter would be enough to leave our Solar-System, so what, if it even uses the amount of a normal Spoon, it would be quite easy to afford.
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Who's Harry, and why should we believe him? Looks like it's in space to me...
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That's gonna be super.
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Maybe if I were on a political Talkback she would, because nothing gets me harder than that. That and talking about ST canon ...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfx8Nc6VKnI&feature=related
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Jan 17, 2008 6:44:11 PM CST
HOW DOES THE ENTERPRISE EXPEL HUMAN WASTE AND GARBAGE?
by bringingsexyback
Do they dump it in space like the Star Destroyers did in ESB?
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The Enterprise being built! Who else could have conceived of such a thing? JJ Abrams is a God. Orci and Kurtzman are writers without peer. This movie will rule!
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It has specifically been stated on screen that the major construction of the Enterprise was done ant the San Fransisco shipyards and that the parts were ASSEMBLED in space at an orbital space dock.
The saucer section actually CAN handle the stress of atmospheric, and was always intended to do so, even if just as a lifeboat. If you read the non-canon Lost Years series of books, it was suggested that the saucer was detached from the body of the Enterprise, descended into the atmosphere of Earth, and guided by winged ships with tractor beams to be landed safely at the Fleet Yards for its refit. It then returned to space UNDER ITS OWN IMPULSE POWER to be reconnected. I don't really give a crap if you guys care or not, but just so you know the power of the imagination a writer can use in making anything happen to a FICTIONAL SPACESHIP.
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Posted hours before on other sites. C'mon Harry and crew, I used to get the news here first! I know the rest of the sites have put a target on your back but lets get back to proper form.
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Just open up 10 or 11 windows on your computer and hit refresh every second. That way you're bound to get you the most freshest, ripe-y, pungent movie news available.
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Turbines.
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Point number 1, according to TOS Kirk didn't start off in the command branch, he was originally a redshirt in security and later made the highly unusual switch from there to command (which I guess was supposed to explain why he tended to think with his fists instead of his brain). Point two, the Enterprise was assembled in orbit because of the nacelle design. It CAN enter into a planet's atmosphere/gravitational field but only once it is fully assembled and operational. The Enterprise did it in the original series in an episode where they went back in time on Earth. Unpowered, the nacelles are too heavy and the support struts would buckle under the pull of a gravity field. But once the ship is operational it has a Structural Integrity Field which holds the hull together under the stresses of gravity and the insanely high accelerations of impulse and warp speed. Point three, why are so many people saying it would be "cost prohibitive" to build the parts on the ground and ship them to orbit? This is Star Trek, people. It's not like this is the first starship they've ever built. Ground to orbit transportation is cheap, fast and easy. They have plenty of ships that could ferry the parts to orbit, but why bother when they have transporter technology? No doubt they have large-scale construction transporters for just that purpose. Besides, the economy of the Star Trek era is entirely different than it is today. It has been repeatedly stated that in the time of TOS there is no more poverty, no need for money as we know it today, etc. Admittedly they never went into the exact details of how the whole system worked, but the point is that getting stuff into orbit is no big deal, they do it as easily as you would zip down the street to the corner deli.
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I think the new movie should have been a restart and tweak some things. Make it like the Ultimate line in Marvel.
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I know what you're gonna say - '*whine* but Nimoy's in it so it IS classic Trek canon so why should Abrams have the right to fuck with it *whine*' I'll tell you why he has the right - Trek has been shit for years and needs SOMETHING like this to happen. People need reminding of the original crew, even if they're played by different actors. The original series IS Trek. Next Generation universe is something ENTIRELY DIFFERENT in my humble fucking opinion. This movie should pay zero attention to anything post-Undiscovered Cunt-tree, including Kirk's lame death.
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And I say that respectfully, because I have seven talkback tabs on my firefox right now which I refresh every second. Yes, I'm bored as hell. And avoiding my work. And quite lonely. Tear.
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Wrong its in the writers bible for TOS, the Enterprise was partially built on earth, with the final fitting out in space. Even as far as TNG ships where built on land and fitted out in space. A Galaxy class hull can be seen on Mars at the Utopia Planitia shipyards in a episode. It was CLEARLY on the planet in multiple parts before being fitted out in space.
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Just trying to pump the guys up and get them back on their game. No need for you to be so bossy.
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I'll add another two cents....the whole thing about this image and what we've been talking about for awhile now....could be totally wrong. Let's say that this is simply for the teaser?....Spidey had that trailer that didn't actually end up in the movie, right? well who is to say that this ends up or is part of the funal cut? As far as some of the points that were brought up...
-it could be spacedock...the excelsior was being finalized in a similiar dock before it was launched.
-the exterior spacedock was only used in TMP and not part II or any of the subsequent movies.
-Captain John Christopher piloted the USAF surveillance jet that took film of the enterprise in 1960s earth athmosphere
-THE BIG THING...Roddenberry stated that due to limited budget during TOS, he couldn't afford money to carry out the effects that would show the ship leaving and entering earth's athmosphere. (that's why the transporters came to be...transporters exist solely due to lack of funds.
-The enterprise D became a life ship and was controllable in space as a saucer only section (after Zoran)after the destruction of the array, but due to the blastwave, it was shoved into a nearby planet's athmosphere and crash landed (could it have been soft-landed?...who knows)
-Voyager is able to land and take off from planetary bodies, however it is considerably smaller than the "E" series enterprise.
-Yes, it is because we do care about 41 years worth of backstory that we are in a bit of an uproar about facts.
-those things aren't rudders on the back of the nacelles....the enterprise in TMP was the first to have "fins" on the end of the nacelles.
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Didn't catch your last post.
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You got to be a cheerleader. You got to be like "You can do it Harry!" and wear a skirt or if you are a male get one of those megaphones. Positive. You've got to stay positive
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what if the movie covers a larger area of time. what if the commie beatle, the swahili lady and points are on the crew when kirk takes command at 35 when he's SUPPOSED TO, but the movie also covers kirks time in the academy.
Know how i figured that out? forget it, its wizard shit you wouldn't understand.
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Enchanter!...I will heed your warnings about the cave's guardian, the Rabbit of Caerbannog...with his huge hairy teeth.
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Bicker backer firecracker, bisk boom bah, post the news quicker! Rah Rah rah!
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Um, I hate to tell you this but when the original series was being made there was no writer's bible, Roddenberry and the rest were winging it from one episode to another and making much of it up as they went along. The bible to which you refer was created later after the fact to satisfy the more rabid fans who wanted every little detail they could get about the show. And there's no point in us getting into a Trek geek war of words, the fact is that Roddenberry/Paramount have never explained more about the Trek universe details then they absolutely had to, so there is no definitive word on if ships have to be built in orbit or if they could be built on planet, or which method was used most of the time. The ST movies and TV series have shown orbital ship construction and refitting numerous times, and while I don't recall ever seeing it being done on a planet I wouldn't be surprised if it was. For that matter it wouldn't be the first time that Star Trek contradicted itself...
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That's funny as hell
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Exterior spacedock a la TMP was used in Wrath of Khan... in the only really lame part of the film, when Enterprise leaves drydock (again)...
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and if you don't know what I'm talking about then turn in your card and get the Hell out!
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was asked by spock to pull the enterprise out of the exterior spacedock (while kirk almost had a nervous breakdown worried she would crash it)
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I have to give Bugs Bunny credit for that one. I miss that rabbit.....
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The Superrabbit episode. Classic.
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and then ship them out to space because of the radiation and other hazards of building large objects in space.
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will make an entertaining movie. But the Enterprise being built on Earth.... not sure about that decision. A lot of things that wouldn't make sense. But, it'd probably make for an uber cool cinematic shot as it "lifted off" and took it's first flight... assuming of course that it has such an ability...??
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Koerner has reimagined the Enterprise into something that should never have seen the light of day. JJ Abrams will be doing the entire Trek Franchise, as well as an entire generation of Trek Fans, a disservice if he uses that "model" in the movie.
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Did someone say it was built on earth and not space? I hope there wrong.
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Jan 17, 2008 8:14:27 PM CST
Cloverfield will be my personal power geek moment of the year
by kirttrik
...probably the decade.
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There is no oxygen in space, and it looks like there is welding flares/fire in right along the front part of the saucer.... it's one of those things Trekkies and Lucasphiles have tiffs about...explosions in space and what not.
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Wow! Can't wait until December when we get to see it ( along with the rest of the franchise ) , dismantled... courtesy of JJ Abrams!
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I was going to say something about the intristic pierls of ignoring canon but after re-reading these posts someone whould just tell me "Fuck you, Circean, get on this re-boot bandwagon you pussy or we will run you over with it and kill your whole family you fucking-fuckity-fuck!" So I'll just watch this when it rolls over on my Netflix 2 years from now & ponder how it should have been better.
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Somebody call my orthodontist please. I can't speak at the moment...
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I save the pic, and when I look at it through default Windows Photo Gallery, it looks more washed out than the same damn pic on the site. Yes, I did click the pic to get the full size one, and THAT one is the one I saved. The blues aren't nearly as vibrant on my HD. Is it a Vista thing?
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Marvel has the Ultimate Line. DC has the All Star line. What's wrong with a reboot of Star Trek that holds no fealty to Canon. Sure Trekkies are going to be pissed but ST has been stale for over a decade and part of it is adhering to a labyrinthine coridor called the Trek Bible. Let it go bro.
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Possessing the same boundless enthusiasm, slick ability to convince execs he's hip, and absolutely no fucking talent what-so-fucking-ever.. fucking none at all ..zero...zip, and he's out to rape your childhood love of a great story of a bright future, where you travel around in a snazzy starship blastin shit with the coolest gun ever and gettin it on with alien chicks at every opportunity. He's no fan and he's not capable of understanding what he's screwing about with to satisfy his need for fame and to convince the world he's the greatest film maker ever. He's a tit and the only bigger tits are Paramount for pissing one of the biggest entertainment franchises ever straight down the toilet.
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its awesome and all that fur sure, but according to the Utopia Planitia Shipyards site she was built in space, several years before Kirk was probably even in any position to get onboard. A bit too big for take offs and landings. Look! I'm geeking! Boy, its been a while.
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Jan 17, 2008 8:55:06 PM CST
Wait till you see the interior..if you're pissed off now..oh boy
by thelighttoshowtheway
Reports from set designers said it's completely unrecognisable from the original look, and they were given license to do it by Paramount! I don't understand Movie Execs, is the truck loads of coke they take, birth defects, or maybe they are some kind of sub-species with under developed brains that causes such fucking dumb decisions to occur. Forget the WGA strike, movie fans should picket cinemas and studios until they show something decent!
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Someone had brought up earlier that they were under the impression that only the TNG era ships could perform a saucer separation. In fact, there was an episode in TOS where either Kirk or Scotty (probably the former to the latter) mention they could have an emergency saucer separation if needed- the episode was actually originally scripted to include that sequence but was not done due to budget. They later had a saucer separation planned for TMP- the Klingons absorbed by V'Ger would reppear after V'Ger vanishes, would fight the Enterprise and the saucer would be forced to separate and land on a planet (with landing gear). However, it was a one-time separation, unlike TNG-era craft that can reattach easier.
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UP IT'S FUCKING CANON ARSE!
Oh but Nimoy's in it so it must be canon - FUCK THAT! Judi Dench plays M in Casino Royale but that was still a reboot wasn't it??
It's already been said and if you're a Trekkie I apologise for offending you but that fucking stupid "Bible"is the REASON Trek has been so SHIT lately. IT NEEDS TO GO. Yes Enterprise didn't ignore canon AND IT WAS SHIT! It SHOULD have throw canon out the fucking window!
Maybe RDM would have been a good choice to take this but you know what? If he HAD taken it he would have TOSSED that fucking canon - like he did with Galactica - he has stated many times that the stupid "tachyon this/Rigel-7 that" bullshit was so PARALYSING with Trek that he wanted nothing to do with that shit on his new show... -
It's 3.09 here in the UK and Star Trek TOS episode Dagger of the Mind has just started. Wished I hadn't lost my classic trek phaser in the sand pit at school all those years ago, I'm feelin nostalgic...but when I look to the future of my heroes I feel sad
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you can't have the same interior of a 1960s futuristic enterprise design in that of a 2008 created enterprise. That is one thing that any trekker/trekkie should accept. NX-01 had a more furistic look and we were fine with it.....give this enterprise's interior the futuristic update that it needs.
Scott Chambliss is the set designer for the new movie. He's worked with JJ on Alias and MI3. Michael and Denise Okuda (responsible for most of the last decade and a half's worth of visuals on movies and shows weren't invited to the party. -
...raise your hand if you know what the Enterprise looks like...yeah...everyone. Harry, where is my pic of the CLOVERFIELD MONSTER!!!!!!! Come on!!!!
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Its like they thought another ST movie could never be made and so stretched on every scene as long as possible to make it last. I'm surprised the 'Manos The Hands of Fate' people weren't in on it.
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fans is canon. SW fans don't give a rip about canon. But Trek fans worship it.
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but yeah. flames would be wonderful.:>
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First, this was all covered in the teaser trailer talkback... There's no TV show "canon" mention of where exactly every piece of the E was built. Star Trek novels and Chronologies and the like are not really the official story. Only stuff on film is. Even the seemingly official Chronology is admittedly filled with "conjecture". Films and shows may often reference it, but this isn't Star Wars. Also, "cost prohibitive" doesn't mean anything. Money is no object in the Star Trek future.
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No reason really. Is that a Toyota emblem on the hood?
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There are so many ways that you can reboot a series while at the same time maintaining canon. You don't have to start from scratch to make the series good again. Sure, tons of series have done this, and it's worked well (Batman, Bond) however, it's not always needed. You can make it work, it's just that it's rare to across someone who actually cares to TRY.
My main problem with reboots and such is that it basically renders previous versions of a series pointless. It's like saying "We don't care." Yeah, sure, older versions remain on DVD, books or comics to enjoy, but it really annoys me, and this is coming from a guy who loves comics and has to deal with stuff like this every so often.
Like Planet of the Apes for instance. You've got a huge franchise (five films, a TV show, a cartoon series, TONS of toys, comics, etc). Good property? You betcha. What do they do with? LET"S JUST REMAKE/REIMAGINE it. That doesn't float my boat, but I know a lot of you like that sort of stuff.
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Now I know that aint canon.
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There very much was a writers bible, and Star Trek was one of the very first TV shows to actually USE a bible to help its writers cope with the outlandish concepts he described, and while a lot of things where tossed out (for one the Enterprise was a MUCH shorter ship in the bible, with only a handful of decks) where the Enterprise was built was not one of them, as the Dedication plaque states San Fransisco, Earth. While you can try to say they meant in orbit, that was never Roddenberry's intention as The Animated Series shows (which despite in the future being de-canonized, WAS written by Roddenberry and much of the writing staff of TOS as well as continued to use the writers bible made up by Roddenberry)
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is gonna be fucking pissed when they google their name and end up in this Talkback. Fucking. Pissed.
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This is not what I remember in my youth. Everything must adhere to my personal memories of watching Trek when I was eight years old. If what's on screen isn't the same as the movie I would have created, then it is absolute crap and the director is a hack for having his own vision. From this image I am going to extrapolate that J.J. made Kirk a gay eunuch who takes it from Scotty when he's not giving hand jobs to Bones. The entire inside of the Enterprise is obviously filled with disco balls and roller rinks. It's plain for anyone to see. What was J.J. thinking?
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If I were a betting man I'd say you all have a light saber within 6 feet of your present location.
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My thing is, why the fuck do we have to have the old crew? What? Not enough star fleet members that have stories to tell? Sure, those guys were awesome, Kirk, Spock, and the rest of the gang, but damn, now that we have Mr JJ and all this new vision and shit, might as well have been some new people. Anyone else annoyed by this? I love the old crew, but I'm just tired of them.
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There are many, many Star Wars fans that care about canon. Browse around "Wookieepedia" talk pages and starwars.com and theforce.net message boards. See how much fans care about canon. Plus, Star Wars books, novels, comics, etc are more canon -- i.e.: the official folks continuously try and make new stories fit into the established rules and history. Meanwhile, Star Trek books and comics, etc are written with far less consideration of such things and often contradict not only later films but other similar materials, as well.
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sigh. You're right. lol
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are considered by many as the prime crew. The days of Kirk and Spock had passed by the mid 80s and it was time to bring in a new Capt with a different take and attitude toward his missions....funny, here we are again, but it is "the chicken and the egg" that alternate future Picard spoke of to Riker..."deja vu" all over again...only instead of a capt from LeBarre, France it is a re-imagined farmboy from Iowa.
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The fact that they're all human (and Spock's a mutt) pisses me off. I want a six-legged, tri-pussied vagina dentata'd purple captain for this ship. Where no man has gone before, and escaped with his penis intact.
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Just be careful with it. I heard the energy crystal is prone to radiation leaks unless they're recharged regularly.
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Goddamn it!
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Jan 17, 2008 9:57:32 PM CST
IS IT CANON TO STRAIGHTEN YOUR SHIRT WHEN YOU STAND UP?
by bringingsexyback
Cuz Picard and Riker kept doing that and it really irritated me. But if it's canon, I can live with it.
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Jan 17, 2008 9:57:53 PM CST
BTW the E-D was groundbuilt too before being fitted out in space
by falcon5768
http://tinyurl.com/3y6ysc Image is taken from TNG episode Parallels, which shows that even in TNG time, the primary component pieces where built on the ground, in this case Mars.
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If you're gonna fuck it up, fuck it up good.
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We've got people bitching about the ship being built on Earth, we've got people bitching about canon, we've got people talking about the tolerances of a fantasy starship's hull, we've got people bitching about the actors, bitching about the director.......just a whole lot of fucking bitching, moaning and whining.
What's wrong with you people?? It's fucking sci-fi, not sci-fa, why should anything be constrained by reality? We've had time traveling by flying around the sun, holodeck characters becoming 'real', Klingons starting off as guys with lots of fake tan and winding up with ridges all over their heads 80 some years later then winding up with ridges again in Enterprise which was set before the original series.
It's sci-fi, if the warp field allows a star ship to take off from Earth level, so be it, just grow the fuck up and wait till the film actually comes out.
To the asshole who said that because the ship is built on Earth he isn't seeing the film....Fucking hell man, I think you'd better seriously evaluate your psychological state, you're clearly off your fucking head. Also, you are no doubt homosexual. -
"In the early to mid-23rd century, at least twelve heavy cruiser-type starships, the Constitution-class, were commissioned by the Federation Starfleet. The vessel registered NCC-1701, which was constructed at the San Francisco Fleet Yards **in Earth orbit** and launched in 2245, was christened the Enterprise." THIS HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR THIRTY FUCKING YEARS! ARE YOU READING THIS, ABRAMS?!? Set auto-destruct...on yourself.
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whaaaa?
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It's called "The Picard Maneuver". It's one of two things called the "Picard Manuever", the first one being the tactic Picard used at the Battle of Maxia against a Ferengi Cruiser while Captain of the USS Stargazer, and the second one is the shirt straightening.
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After reading any of the above, you're still saying that? I swear, you people are gonna make my head explode. Someone please post a link to a video clip of the film or television scene wherein we learn the Enterprise was built in orbit. Otherwise, the question is moot.
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So sayeth page 827 of the Star Trek bible.
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for a brain, please for the love of fuck use that power of retention on something more useful.
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If its from anything but a movie or tv show, it's practically meaningless. And I suppose every single piece of the E was built in orbit. That quote precludes the possibility that any single piece was built elsewhere?
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A space station is not the same thing as a spaceship.
I am not a "hardcore" Trekkie...I simply assumed that, as people mentioned, that the Enterprise may have landing gear and the ability to take off like a shuttle.
Given that, it makes no logical sense, both in terms of financial cost and practicality, to build it hovering in space. The logistics and organizing that would be crazy.
Assembling a ship, even as giant as that (its the future, so we assume they have the capacity to build such a thing on land), on solid ground with air and predictable environments......not to mention the infrastructure for suppliers and laborers simply impossible in space.....you have got to be kidding if you'd prepare to build a spaceship while hovering in space.... -
Jan 17, 2008 10:08:36 PM CST
FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY I AGREE WITH USS CYGNUS
by bringingsexyback
Earth orbit. Built in Earth orbit above San Francisco. Obviously by a crew of flaming gays, but nonetheless in orbit.
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I have a "Technical Manual" describing the building of the movie Enterprise and some facts about Starfleet history. This is an "official" book. The subsequent TV series and Chronology books completely contradict every single date in that official book.
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Talkback out of control !
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It is a subspace telescope pic of the Utopia Planitia Fleet Yards at Mars, but they view this pic on-board the Enterprise-D. While a starship might, in the 24th century, be able to built planetside wether it be on Earth or Mars, there has been NOTHING in official "Trek" Canon that suggested the technology had advanced to the point where a starship the size of the Enterprise could be built on Earth when the origninal Constitution Class Enterprise (The one we'll see in this film) was launched. It is, in effect, saying that the 2nd Death Star was built on Endor and then launched into orbit. It's that massive a violation of Trek Canon. It's ridiculous.
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They never looked cool like Star Wars ships, they just look like ships that were designed by children. That was always why I never took Trek seriously because the ships just don't look cool period.
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Some of those hardcore fans ARE doctors and scientists. Seriously, read Spamster's post above. He's a smartly guy.
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Desktop, bigger!
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I am not a Trek geek at all. I've only watch Khan, two others....and Star Trek: Generations when it was on cable TV. My friend used to babble on about how Picard sucked compared to Kirk, and thats the extent of my knowledge....the movies and his babble.
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Jan 17, 2008 10:15:00 PM CST
OH MY FUCKING GOD. USS CYGNUS IS A HARDCORE TREKKER.
by bringingsexyback
I thought you existed only to post WWW.AINTITLIBERALPROPAGANDA.COM in subject lines, but damn ... you're like a real life dork. I find that oddly intriguing.
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Jan 17, 2008 10:17:08 PM CST
BTW CYGNUS, I LIKE YOUR REASONING RE: BUILDING ENTERPRISE
by bringingsexyback
If we could turn you to the Liberal side you would be a powerful ally.
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Ask, and ye shall recieve:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLJ5aOk62OQ *** http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSvV2QTAcHY ***
Also...look up information on the TNG episode called "Booby Trap", which shows the Ent-D under construction at Utopia Planitia.
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Jan 17, 2008 10:19:51 PM CST
WOULDN'T THE DEATH STAR HAVE DISRUPTED ENDOR'S GRAVITATIONAL
by bringingsexyback
field and climate? Such a large object in such close proximity. And how come the Ewoks weren't turned into sex slaves for the Stormtroopers?
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This ship is too big, if I walk, the movie will be over.
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As has been stated numberous times in this thread, its been stated once before, and even the bible mentions it... if Gene intended the Enterprise to have been built in space he would have STATED that. He specifically told them to put SAN FRANSICO on the plaque. That wasnt the artists intention that was HIS intention. And knock the canon of TAS all you want its specifically stated in TAS the Enterprise was partially built on Earth then blasted into orbit.
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Fifteen years ago James Doohan was at a local Blockbuster signing autographs. I thought, "What the hell?" so I headed out to meet him. I got in line behind these two guys who were as excited as pedophiles at a Harry Potter premiere. They had a copy of a book entitled "Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise," and they were clutching it like a fundamentalist Christian clutches a Bible. So they get up to Doohan, and immediately open the book and put it in front of him. Calling him "Scotty" over and over, they began to argue points of Star Trek canon regarding the design of the Enterprise. It was like something out of "Galaxy Quest," only that movie WASN'T EVEN MADE YET. So my question is...I know you two are in here somewhere, where are you?
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Enterprise. Built on Earth. Nice to know that 40+ years of continuity is gonna be flushed down the sonic toilet with one movie...
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most of the stuff almost all of you are saying about ground vs. orbital assembly of spaceships is missing the point. It would take the same amount of energy to move a ship from the ground up into space whether it was in one piece or in a thousand little pieces. The difference and reason to build a spaceship in space only comes in if the engineering required to build a ship that is viable both on the ground and in space is trickier/more expensive than that required to build a ship that is viable in space alone. Without reference to some "canon" that I have't bothered to look at, I'd say that star trek ships are way too goofy looking to do much of anything on the ground besides collapse under their own weight. So, I'd guess they are built in space.
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Death Blossom Baby. Death. Blossom.
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And I hate to see two parts of my childhood raped, that's all. I got a job and a life, but when you start fucking with the Enterprise, and The Force, I'm superfly TNT. And I do allow myself to get baited into political B.S. here. Guilty as charged.
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Where NOT built in space. All you see is the final fitting out, you never actually SEE them built in space. If anything the ONLY ship you see built in space is the Columbia and thats it. The E Refit was a REFIT thus it was taking the original hull of the Enterprise and fitting it out, so the major components (which is ALL that was ever stated as being built on Earth, and all we see here where..... ALREADY IN FUCKING ORBIT)
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the first one includes the ship before Kirk's, which seems to have been built in orbit. The second shows the Kirk Enterprise being "refit" in space, not built. The first movie Enterprise is the extensively renovated and largely rebuilt original Kirk ship. But none of this even refers to the construction of the original ship. It may suggest that it's possible the ship was built in orbit. But sure as hell doesn't say so.
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MIT proved the Enterprise could not only fly in atmosphere but even generate life via the main saucer. Matt Jefferies was a aircraft designer before getting involved with TV, which is why many of his ships had aircraft inspirations.
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Midichlorians.
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Maybe SOME of it is built in SPACE and SOME of it is built on EARTH. No? Yes? is that ok? lol
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There are *oodles* of contradictions in TAS with established Trek Canon...which is why 99% of it is not considered "Canon"....check out www.memory-alpha.org for more info*** ...Now I've done it, I've gone cross-eyed. And I LOVE "Starfighter". "What do we do...*eyepiece flips* "We die." *BOOM!!!*
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Here it is. Right off the website. You can't get more official than that. The ship was built IN ORBIT. Read on.....
"Launched in 2245, the original and illustrious starship U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701 was built in the San Francisco Yards orbiting Earth. The Constitution-class starship was previously captained by Robert April and Christopher Pike, before coming under the command of Captain James T. Kirk." -
I don't want to argue with you, but I'd like to point out that there's a difference between "fly" and "fly well" and "able to sit on the ground without massive structural supports in place to keep it from tipping over/collapsing on itself." My point is just that if it's sufficiently cumbersome to deal with a spaceship that has big heavy parts (saucer and warp-drive thingies) suspended way out from the body on struts on the ground, then it would make sense to build it in space.
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Jan 17, 2008 10:37:01 PM CST
MAYBE XENU BROUGHT NEW GRAVITATIONAL TECHNOLOGY TO EARTH
by bringingsexyback
Let's play 6 Degrees of Kevin Bacon with Xenu ...
Xenu
Tom Cruise (Scientology)
Kyra Sedgwick (Born On The Fourth of July)
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didn't Paramount fire all of startrek.com's staff? Last I heard only the forums were up...and there's no telling how much longer it is untill they pull everything and just revamp it for this upcoming suckfest. ergh, i mean new trek movie.
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Klingons starting off as guys with lots of fake tan and winding up with ridges all over their heads 80 some years later then winding up with ridges again in Enterprise which was set before the original series.
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It is stated in the Star Trek Encyclopedia that the ridged foreheaded klingons and the ones without ridges (seen in the original series,are two and the same...they are The canonical explanation was revealed in a two-part storyline on Star Trek: Enterprise ("Affliction" and "Divergence") which aired on February 2005 that explained that there are at least 4 known variants of klingons with their own physical attributes.
actual video shot of the san francisco orbital shipyard.
http://www.14th.org/index.php?page=federationfacilities
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Jan 17, 2008 10:47:51 PM CST
OPEN ALL HAILING FREQUENCIES ... CALLING BOB ORCI .. BOB ORCI
by bringingsexyback
You better get your ass in here now, Roberto. You got some splainin to do.
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Jan 17, 2008 10:52:41 PM CST
ANYBODY WANNA PLAY 6 DEGREES OF KEVIN BACON WITH UHURA?
by bringingsexyback
Okay I'll start ...
Uhura -
IS COMING TO MY FUCKING CITY THIS WEEKEND! Just thought I would share. Been waiting for years to see this baby on the big screen. oh man, Im pitching a tent as I'm typing this. Ahhhhhh
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Star Trek III
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Back to the Future III
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Husband
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Cheers
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Natural Born Killers
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JFK woohooo!!!!
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the original Enterprise was built in orbit. The movie era Enterprise was built in orbit because we saw the last stages of its construction.
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i was watching a CSI:Miami repeat tonight,when all of a sudden i realized that the lab screens and monitor designs looked an awful lot like those on TNG,DS9 and VOY...turns out Michael Okuda does indeed do the screens for CSI:Miami
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Don't forget to bring your light saber.
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Jan 17, 2008 11:16:52 PM CST
NOT TRUE, SKYWALKER ... IN STAR TREK IV WARP EDITION
by bringingsexyback
Sulu said, "San Francisco ... I was born there. My dad worked on the Enterprise. It was built in orbit above the city."
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that John Dykstra who co-created the effects for TMP with John Trimbull, went on to become one of the chief guys over at ILM?....is it a coincidence that the man who would run ILM in the Bay Area would portray or possibly suggest to Gene to have Starfleet be portrayed as being based in San Francisco?....hmmmmmm?
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Like they say ... stickers make em go faster.
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What would happen if a child born and raised in zero g on the international space station until the age of 10 were to come back to earth for a little visit?
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Jan 17, 2008 11:44:35 PM CST
Yeah, I always wondered how CSI: Miami had all that 23rd century
by mr incredible
Ridiculous. Oh, I forgot this was a Trek talkback...can't wait for JJ to tackle Buck Rogers.
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Low five on the slide?
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like Superman! Because Krypton had zero G. You could see the gravity boots in Donner's movie - he had something you need to understand ... Verisimilitude. It was his guiding principle.
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I remember watching a documentary that said his body would not develop the bones and cartilege in zero G. Do I get a cookie or what?
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Bitch.
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About Enterprise being built in space? And did you get woozy watching Cloverfield?
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with BOB ORCI?
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... HMMM
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Worked together on Transformers
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Natural Born Killers (Don produced)
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for NBK ... take one degree back
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JFK directed by Oliver Stone. Only 2 degrees between Orci and Bacon. Not bad, Roberto. Not bad at all.
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until the writers strike is over.
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Wouldn't the 'Enterprise' stenciling be put on after the thing was assembled?
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Jan 18, 2008 12:03:12 AM CST
BOB, HOW COME YOU DIDN'T COME UP WITH THE VAGINA DENTATA
by bringingsexyback
script first?
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and the decals always came on when the ship was completed. I always assembled them in orbit too.
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Rambo gonna rock your world. Bet on it. RAMBO FTW
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Okay I start ... Mirajeff
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Mirajeff's kind and noble master
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Harry's pal
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Sin City (good movie)
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A Few Good Men ...
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Who shall we start with? hhhmmmmm
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Okay I start .. Al Gore
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Good friend of Mr. Gore.
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The Departed
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Just because you don't party don't gotta spoil it for me/us.
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Lots of movies
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The Godfather Part Deux
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Nephew
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The Rock
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Transformers I want my cookie Bob
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How will I ever recover from the blow?
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just like I told you to. Nice Queefer. Good Queefer. Have a cookie.
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Jan 18, 2008 12:32:10 AM CST
It's the same Enterprise. I thought this was supposed to be a re
by the founder
I like Trek as much as the next guy, well not the hardcore fans, but in my opinion Trek just needs to be reimaginined or retooled. I haven't seen the trailer, but judging by the the Pics of the enterprise it looks like classic trek and it'll bring in the fans. The problem is that to the mainstream or non trek fans, they see this is go "it's just Star Trek" so i don't see where this is going to bring in new fans and just the general movie goer. Trek has been diminishing for years and I don't see where this movie that looks to be sticking to close to the current Trek universe is going to be a box office hit. I'll withold more of my judgement until i see more, but right now I don't see this making pass 100 million domestically. I just think this is a chance to really re establish Star Trek and while Rodenberry created one of the best entertainment sci fi icons, things have to change with the times to remain popular. No way Trek going to get the new generation unless it's radically updated and made to appeal to the non fans. It's a fine line, and personally I think Abrams could pull it off, but Paramount isn't going to let him go to different and there is where i think this film will sufer. The time travel mess was already a sttrike in my book, because its been done to death. Only time will tell if the movie is delivers for tjhe fans, but none fans? I don't think so.
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It doesn't matter how much you guys argue this "built on earth" or "built in orbit" thing. JJ gonna do it his way, and you'll like it.
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Just not at Area 51. So San Francisco is okey doke by me. I think they just put a force field around it as it flies into space.
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What a bunch of whinny cunts some of you are. You would bitch if the first promo pic was the greatest photo ever taken. Cry about the movie and scream about how gay it is, when you have not seen on frame of footage. Don't like it? Make your own Star Trek movie....oh wait, you are all broke nerds that have trouble getting enough money for you action figures, how could you finance a 100 million dollar film. Sit back, shut up and wait for the movie, then run off at the mouth on the TBs about how JJ can suck a fart out of ur ass.
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Jan 18, 2008 12:42:08 AM CST
DON'T BE STUPID QUEEFER (ALTHOUGH YOU CAN'T HELP IT)
by bringingsexyback
Trekkers will see it if the ship had flames and Spock had nipples. All it has to have is the Trek theme song and tickets will be bought. Period. And didn't I tell you to shut the fuck up? No cookie for you bad boy.
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What a bunch of whinny cunts some of you are. You would bitch if the first promo pic was the greatest photo ever taken. Cry about the movie and scream about how gay it is, when you have not seen on frame of footage. Don't like it? Make your own Star Trek movie....oh wait, you are all broke nerds that have trouble getting enough money for you action figures, how could you finance a 100 million dollar film. Sit back, shut up and wait for the movie, then run off at the mouth on the TBs about how JJ can suck a fart out of ur ass.
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Uh, okay. I'm sure it's harder to make a movie based on an existing universe and characters instead of creating something original and interesting. But whatever. You're better at making up mother insults than making sense, Queefer. Again, no cookie.
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Your mother says good night too. hee
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ill hold my opinion on the location where the enterprise is being built until i see the trailer tommorow, but as for the engines, those are not turbines....anyone that knows star trek knows those are the bussard ramscoop collectors...and the original warp engines had spinning parts in them....the phoenix in ST:first contact had them too....as for ENTERPRISE i loved the show till they caved to the idiotic fans that insisted that it follow trek canon, when it was clearly indicated that even tho it was a prequel, it was in a timeline that was screwed by the temporal cold war...in my opinion thats why the nx-01 is never listed as the "first" enterprise....because it was supposed to have blown up in that episode where the suliban prevented the chain reaction from reaching the warp core...if u watched the show u will know what i mean.....but i think the NX class was a failure in the real timeline and abandoned in favor of new classes like constitution and so on....that bear NCC....would explain why all experimental ships carry the NX instead of a whole class...cuz the NX was an experiment that ended badly
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I'm gonna have a real hard time not thinking about that scene in Galaxy Quest and wanting to see the Enterprise start to go a little wonky - if you know what I mean ;)
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Is it frowned upon to arrive in a TB without having read any of the prior posts. There's a lot of stuff on this TB and I don't have the patience to go through it all.But I don't want to be frowned upon.
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Somebody already asked that question... Idiot.
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I'm working my way backwards and have gotten to the bit where BringingSexyBack plays the Kevin Bacon game with Queefer. Mildly entertaining stuff.
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That was the worst one?
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a lion! hehe
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Welding and cutting torch flares in space, then please do not reproduce. No wonder 'real' science fiction is almost non-existant.
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Maybelline are canon too. WE'D BETTER SEE SOME THIGH!
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..as sulus mother or something...jus´sain. Love me some LingLing.
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from being a turd. J.J. was smart to cast him.
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...Doesn't this strike anyone as a pretty poor teaser? I like Trek but don't love it, and over the years I've become pretty burnt out on the whole concept - seeing a shot of *another* Enterprise being constructed does not excite me (how many times have we seen similar 'ship in repairs/construction' shots?), nor IMHO will it excite the general populace. Obviously, we still have the proper trailer but as a teaser... this leaves me cold.
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We all know that none of the primary cast die - so every problem they face is gonna be less than life threatening. Oh well, I guess conversely everybody knew from that get-go it was gonna be curtains for the main star of Titanic (ie, the Titanic).
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You wouldn't follow a bald leader? Good job you weren't around to choose sides in WW2 - lol
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How will they enhance that in cgi?
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The Animated Series must be considered canon since elements of it, the holodeck for one, are referenced in live action episodes. Captain Kirk’s middle name was first established in The Animated Series. Spock’s mother’s surname was established in The Animated Series. Klingon Commander Kor commanding a ship called the Klothos was established in The Animated Series, and parroted in Deep Space Nine. The planet that The Animated Series red dude that looks like Hammerhead from the Star Wars cantina scene came from was referenced in Deep Space Nine. Enterprise references elements of The Animated Series (making it a directly self-contradictory television series). Among others. Thus, it can only be inferred that Robert April’s command of the Enterprise prior to Captain Pike’s turn at the wheel is, indeed, canon. And as for all this noise about the realism of turbines in space and the Enterprise not being aerodynamic…it’s also established Trek canon that the Enterprise can travel faster than light by exponential increments. When things blow up in space they make loud booms. When the phasers fire they screech. Sounds such as this cannot be sustained in the vacuum of space. As Scotty famously said, “I can’t change the laws of physics!” And you guys have a problem with turbines and aerodynamics? What I can’t cotton to is this: why is there always this thrust to “reinvent” something? Why not just write a story with the original series guys that takes place in the confines of the original series continuity? Sort of like a new, two-hour episode? Yeah, you still have to recast, but why retcon everything? And why make Kirk and his antecedents the center of everything Star Trek? James Kirk climbed the ladder and became famous and successful. His brother was killed by flying flapjacks at USC. Cool. Can just that not be good enough? The hubris of any director/writer in having to say, “Those guys got it wrong…I know what I’m doing!” is farcical.
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I'm keeping an open mind about this, and Batman Begins and Casino Royale did great jobs of rebooting/re-imagining etc. I'm not sure whether I'm interested in seeing a young Kirk and co though. I would have preferred something set after TOS. Yeah they would have to stick to canon, but its a time in Star Trek between TOS and TMP that has never been properly explored either. Looking forward to it still though and don't mind afew changes. Chris Pine has ALOT to live upto. And Enterprise season 3 and 4 were great, the problem was people gave up with it after the very average seasons 1 and 2.
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Pi-Rate: Star Trek .com is ALSO not canon. It takes a lot of its info from the non-canon Encyclopedia.
systemsbroom: True, but nothing saying that this is being built whole. If you looked at the screenie I posted the Galaxy class hull was broken up into 4 major components before being lifted to space. This would make a lot of sense, as thats for the most part how we are building the space station, though in many more parts due to the lack of space on the shuttle and rockets.
uss cygnus: post how non-canon the animated series is all you want, but the script in question WAS written by Roddenberry, and regardless of this fact the bible which Trek held to placed it there. Even if you want to bitch about neither source being canon then I can just point out being built in space isnt either we have NEVER seen less than the entire hull in spacedock, its always been a completely fitted out ship minus some internal machinery in spacedock. As I pointed out before launching omponents built on earth into space is exactly what we do now, and there is no difference in engery consumed by launching a bunch of parts of a saucer section, or by launching the entire saucer section, especially if your using a anti-gravity cradle to do it.
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was built on Earth or in space. Fine details canon doesn't really bother me, but making major changes to characters and/or their history with other major characters I've got a problem with that.
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Actually did new construction on a Trident Class submarine. They brought entire sections down by barge. These were then moved into place and integrated into the other completed sections. SO even though it's Sci Fi, it's perfectly plausible to assemble sections (like the saucer) somewhere else and move it to where the final ship assembly takes place. That said, wonder if the Enterprise shake down trials will mirror US NAVY shakedown trials--equipment breaking, fires, and other general unplanned chaos because now and in the 23rd century the ships will be built by THE LOWEST BIDDER! Be afraid.
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Regardless of canon, there is a lot of scientifically sound reasoning for building this thing on Earth. Working in micro-gravity SUCKS for one. Its like working under water except under water you can expect everything to go down, in space it can go anywhere with even a slight touch. Having gravity makes work a ton easier, speeding up the proses by a matter of possibly years. If our Space Station could be built in bigger sections on earth, you could be god damn sure NASA and the Russians would be doing it. Secondly, this is not the ENTIRE Enterprise being built as a whole. Its very clear that the warp nacelles are on cradles based on their relationship to the hull, and that its very likely the saucer is stilling on a ground based cradle. This would make a lot of sense, as the saucer was always meant for planetfall anyway (those big triangles on the bottom left and right sides of the hull? Those where LEGS on the original blueprints by Matt Jefferies, the third is under the secondary hull connector.) So many of the considered flimsy connections are not in place, mainly the neck, and the nacelle connectors. If this is built in parts those could also be built flat then lifted up to space to actually be connected to the main hull. This is what we are doing with the Space Station now, major crew modules are built as a whole, then bolted together in space, because its stupid to build the entire thing on earth. Lastly we are talking about a time of anti-gravity in TOS. While the energy required might be great, they also have fusion reactors and anti-mater reactors too. So a lot of the expense of lifting vast components is negated by the cheapness of the fuel involved versus chemical rockets of our time. Nothing here suggests the finally fitting out is not going to happen in space, nor does it even look like the thing just lifts off like the Star Wars mini-destroyers of the prequel. And regardless of anything, nothing says this isnt supposed to be symbolic anyway. The Enterprise is going to be built already in the movie. This is not a scene from it, its intended to be as much a teaser as Tranformers teaser was, which was barely a scene in the movie. Its meant to get people excited which is EXACTLY what its doing.
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a vehicle roughly the size of two shuttlecraft requires three staged booster rockets to emerge from earth's gravity - and the primary booster is over two times its own size. It takes a week to fill them with enough fuel.
This vehicle looks like its about the size of a Wal-Mart, so in order to get this thing into orbit around Earth, the launch vehicle will need to be about the size of a small town and will take about a year to fill with fuel.Or maybe JJ is rebooting physics at the same time. Either way, there's a reason that the international space station was constructed IN SPACE rather than ON EARTH. Oh and one more cheap shot: Star Trek always did its best to make its technology, while completely sci-fi, at least grounded in enough science to make it plausible. Thats why many of Trek's gadgets are in our lives today - because they were always grounded in a plausible explanation. So can I get a plausible explanation for building a ship of that size on earth as opposed to in orbit. The sheer weight of the craft would have it sinking into the earth before it was finished.
Oh and its a shame they couldn't take pictures during the DAYTIME - no we have to see obscured, spot-lamped scenes of the graveyard shift. -
the parts of the space station being build on earth are roughly the size of a broom closet. They are then placed inside the cargo bay of the Space Shuttle. Next time the shuttle is launched, take note of how big it is in relation to the multiple booster rockets that it needs in order to reach high orbit. Now use that same image to imagine how big of a set of boosters the saucer and nacelle sections are going to need if they are launched into space in sections like that. This whole concept is absurd, and rediculous.
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Enterprise built on earth by union labor. Launched 5 years behind schedule due to strikes, shoddy workmanship, and worker apathy. Same group did refit on Enterprise after 5 year mission. Remember Spock's replacement being turned into goo by a malfunctioning transporter? Union worked on the transporter-not Scotty.
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fresh ideas, be tolerant". I don't care whether its built on Earth, underwater, in someones backyard. It could even be in space inside a space station, I really don't care. My concerns are with the cast and what will happen in this film. Time travel has been done to death. II and VI were the best because they focussed on the characters and story, giving it a sense of realism within the Trek universe. Time Travel is a device that allows the reset button to be pressed after the writers have the freedom to do whatever they want. This worries me. I hope its not full of cheap shocks that are then rectified. Kirk, Spock and Mccoy HAVE to work, and while I can accept they aren't going to be exact, I want them to be recognisable as the characters and not a complete re-imaging. The Enterprise looks right, it could have been alot worse. Don't worry where it was built, there are more important details that need confirming. Star Trek needs to take this chance (even if it is earliar than perhaps expected) because it could not have gone on the way it was.
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Star Trek doesnt use chemical rockets. They use anti-gravity to launch things, and have been as far back as 80-90 years before this is supposed to take place. Even at that its the same cost per pound ratio for a big huge saucer and its subcomponents. I actually personally know a designer of the station (he worked on the solar paneling) and they actually pre built much of the station on land before breaking it up for the shuttle. This actually posed a different kind of problem as their manufacturing facility couldnt handle the weight as was, and needed to re-enforce the flooring to support the many tons that the arms weighed.) But he flat out said if they had a rocket big enough, they would have designed it in such a way that it wasnt multiple pieces because it would have made things significantly easier. Im pretty sure 300 years in the future we have a big enough rocket.
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Applying the limits of our current technology on the 23rd century just doesn't work. It's also not possible to go to "warp speed" as far as we know. And then there's the transporter. That thing's gotta be against all sorts of laws of physics.
Here's the thing folks. The question of where the friggin' ship was built has so little importance to the overall "universe" of Star Trek, it's a waste to discuss it. It is not some universally excepted truth that the entire series is based on. It's not vital to Star Trek that one line of text in one book that's arguably canon is followed to the letter. Those books have often been contradicted by later films and/or series, and the next edition just changed it to fit the show. And one line spoken by Sulu in a restored but originally deleted scene can't dictate everything. -
I love the "reboot physics" statement too. As Scotty once said: "I can't change the laws of physics. I've got to have thirty minutes." The point of all this from my perspective is that if you're willing to even *suggest* something as goofy and against established ST canon like this in a *trailer*...what the hell are you prepared to do in the actual film? I smell midichlorians.
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Jan 18, 2008 9:54:26 AM CST
Warp Drive and Matter Transportation are Theoretically Possible
by uss cygnus
Not being able to exceed The speed of light being will be looked upon one day as quaint an idea as people believing the world was flat, that the Earth was the center of the universe, that no aircraft could go faster than the speed of sound, that landing on the moon or flying in space was impossible. Think about this; we went from the Wright Brothers to Neil Armstrong walking on the surface of the Moon in less than 70 years, give or take. In the span of a human lifetime, a person went from a world without powered flight, to interplanetary travel. It can be done.
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Sigh, I'm a doctor...not an engineer.
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The Enterprise isn't built on Earth for any LOGICAL reason. Let's be honest here. The reason WHY it's build there is because...1) The writers RETARDEDLY thought working in Area 51 into the storyline would be a "cool" idea that the average moviegoer or non diehard Trek geek would find a "fun" tip of the hat to UFOs and the like.And Dear Trek writers: it WAS a groan inducing lame idea to work in, so its just one of those things where you out thought yourself for the worse.The other reason its being built on Earth?2) I guarantee you...I PROMISE YOU...that they did this SPECIFICALLY so there would be a protracted SFX sequence were the Enterprise first fires its booster rockets or something, at which point it leaves the dock and you see it starting to rise up...more and more out of the hangar bay and past the open bay doors...CUT TO: an exterior wide shot as it rises up higher and higher into the blue sky, a dramatic shot framed against the sun...CUT TO: Pine giving the order to fire the main engines for the first time...at which point in a continuing sequence the Enterprise flies over the ocean or past some mountains or even over a city where people look up, point at it, etc...and then it accelerates and heads into space...all while a psuedo John Williams orchestral score plays some majestic theme.I guarantee you...NOT even having read the script...that THAT'S what these guys thought (again) would be "cool" (or at least different) since we've already seen the Enterprise leave drydock in space several times now. So this was their idea of "mixing things up" and JJ Abrams simply nodded and said "Yeah, that WILL look cool!"
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http://tinyurl.com/364na5
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I'm not the hugest Trek fan out there, but I do love me a good science fiction film from time to time. And therefore, I'm rooting for this to be a quality science fiction film. Ignoring the fact that building the ship on earth isn't canon for a second... doesn't it just make more practical sense to assemble a huge honking spacecraft in orbit? Those propulsion thingies, nalgenes, or whatever they're called, shouldn't they be attached to the ship in space? I dunno, they're definitely going for the "cool" factor over practicality here and that smacks of Transformers to me.
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Who cares where the ship is built? Only the most hardcore of hardcore 'knows' where it was supposedly built, and that was from episodes of a series that couldn't keep it straight what organization it belonged to! Starfleet? United Earth Fleet?
The old Star Trek was dragged down and killed by hardcore idiots insisting that it had to be latched to a canon that the show itself violated on a weekly basis. Anyone bitching about this is the same as anyone bitching about Shatner not being in it. Not worth the time.
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it's just a practical issue any casual moviegoer would have.
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Uh, no casual moviegoer knows or cares where the Enterprise was built. Since it's an Earth space ship, most people would assume that it was built on Earth, like most movies. Plus some people that have seen the trailer says there's nothing that indicates it's on Earth at all.
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...by the time that Kirk finishes Star Fleet Academy. April and Pike were already captains of the vessel. However, it looks like that the writers wanted to reimagine the ST history. I suppose that is their prerogative , but I just could not care less with this movie.
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definitely has Abrahm's "touch" on it.The whole voiceover from famous speeches or "voice clips" of space exploration's origins are used really well. Clearly there is gravity wherever the ship is being built..(to get back to our original topic)..I can't wait to see a high quality version of this (so we can start to dissect details even more)...just for fun. One thing..Leonard Nimoy's voice sounds very gravelly due to age...I'm thinking that until we get the trailer with scenes from the actual movie,some people who are trek newbies or familiar with only the Original Crew, will think this is Shatner,Nimoy and Kelley (even though he is dead)....coming back.
overall, a feeling of nostalgia and at the same time a discounting of the 15 year history created by TNG. -
and the guy who is wielding sucks. Very Michael Bay looking in that shot. The rest of it is ok though.
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Boy, I guess Pine is either a good sport or they told him upfront that this is how they were going to handle the marketing eventually. You'd think that with Hollywood egos in general that once Pine saw this, he was immediately on the phone to his Agent and saying, "I'm the star, I get to play JAMES T. KIRK, one of the most ICONIC characters in ALL of media history, and I got FIFTH billing?!"
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Bob Orci wrote: "What would happen if a child born and raised in zero g on the international space station until the age of 10 were to come back to earth for a little visit? "
Yep working in Zero G for 10 years building a starship would turn your muscle mass to jello. Remember Star Trek III and on. This size of the Space Station. Its conceivable to have a Space Yard to construct the damn ships in.
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You know, with treadmills and whatnot? Ever see 2001 where the main character is running around the wheel shaped space station? He's doing that for a reason. Sure, anyone floating around in zero g for 10 years will turn to jello. But you don't think people will figure out the importance of exercise in the Trek universe?
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"No, we can't build shit in space! We'll have an staff of overweight blob-men floating around! Think of the health care costs!!!"
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The Astronauts serving on the ISS right now exercise. And guess what, they STILL lose Muscle Mass, exercise is no work around for ZERO G. After ten years your workforce would be fubar.
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Jan 18, 2008 1:40:18 PM CST
You're calculating excuses to back up a bad argument
by rickey henderson
You've gotta believe that in the year 3000 or whenever Trek takes places, they'll have the modern medicine and technology in place to help prevent people's muscles from aptrophying in outer space.
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excersize doesnt help muscle mass, muscle atrophy is a serious problem with long term space missions.
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But don't they have some kind of artificial gravity generator in the trek universe? They must right? So wouldnt welders assembling the ship in outer space be fine then as long as they hung out in a gravity based environment for a while?
Not that I particularly care, I'm just making a point of learning just enough about the Trek universe so that I have something to bitch about on AICN. Yep, that's how Rickey rolls. -
I didn't know.
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Why do you write your subject lines in all caps?
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Jan 18, 2008 2:54:42 PM CST
So artificial gravity = ability to contruct shit in space
by rickey henderson
...without the fear of debilitating muscle degeneration. Correct? Checkmate cocksuckers!
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You completely missed the point of my post. Everyone is claiming the ship is being built ON EARTH. I put forth that its in a sealed Space Dock because of the NEED for artifical gravity.
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also what Bob Orci posted....in a roundabout sorta way
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Who says the SAME people would have spent the FULL 10 YEAR STINT building the ship?Look, the grunt welding the hull together is clearly NOT going to be the computer geek in charge of programming Sick Bay computers. So first of all, like ANY construction situation involving multiple parties with specialized talents, it's all a relative matter of "how long" your services would be needed to begin with.Not to mention, this is friggin' STAR TREK...they have MATTER TRANSPORTERS...so these workers wouldn't be LIVING in space for 10 years, they'd simply get beamed up to work an 8 hour shift and then beamed right back to Earth.And even then, if you still want to talk about muscles and whatnot...and if you want to SERIOUSLY talk about how you would actually handle a 10 YEAR construction program...I'm sure in the freakin' future, much like labor unions insist today, Starfleet would know to ROTATE the work crew personnel for safety's sake. Say, 3-6 months on, 3-6 months off.
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GET A LIFE!
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Hi Bill.
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Seeing that we want to reimagine shit all real and stuff. Next up: A congressional hearing on cost overruns for the Enterprise....
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they are building the ship on earth in some city. you see the sky and the buildings in the background
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Arguing the impact of muscle atrophy in starship construction. Classic.
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Starfleet is recalling the Constitution Class ships due to faulty welding...
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says FIRE really well.
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Jan 18, 2008 9:28:56 PM CST
Why would thy paint the name on it while it's being built ?
by greyhoody
Stupid.
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The scene is reminiscent of Star Trek: The Motion Picture when the Enterprise was being re-engineered. Here it is on YouTube:http://tinyurl.com/38h3os
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Based on the history, fans did not care much about seeing the Enterprise in that manner back then. People go to a Trek movie to see the Enterprise zooming through space.
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for a script that no one has read, a lot of guessing based on a trailer that in no way says the ship is being built on earth, and a cast made up of decent actors. Watching the trailer several times, pausing in all the places I'm sure everyone else did, I see NOTHING that says "This is Earth." - it could be a planet, or it could be a big space station with an atmosphere. Either way, I think it's a little silly to worked up over things without having the littlest shred of an idea of what those things REALLY are!
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