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Today’s The Day Warner Bros. Decides Whether Or Not To Greenlight George Miller’s JUSTICE LEAGUE??
I am – Hercules!!
On page 16 of the he current issue of Entertainment Weekly (the one with Keira Knightley on the cover), there’s a tiny piece by Nicole Sperling that indicates via an unnamed source that Jan. 15 (today) is the day Warner Bros. has to decide whether or not it will greenlight the “Justice League” movie George “Mad Max” Miller has been developing.
The issue, apparently, is that the studio wants the movie out in 18 months but Miller wants a rewrite, and a rewrite at this point would mean defying the striking writers guild.
Does this mean Warners would go forward without Miller’s participation? I can’t speak for every fan, but if Miller fell out of the director’s chair, it would drain away all the enthusiasm and goodwill many of us have harbored for the project.
If the studio wisely decides to wait for a script Miller is happy with, however, it’s going to have to wait until the Association of Motion Picture and Television Producers comes to terms -- not only with the WGA but also the actors and directors guilds, whose collective bargaining agreements expire this summer.
This would mean a substantial delay for a “Justice League” movie, but so what? We’ve waited 47 years; another won’t kill us.
Besides, 2010 marks the 50th anniversary of the League. Maybe that’s the better date to aim for anyway.
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it will stink.
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This project needs to die.
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MEH!!!!!!!!
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Marvel seems to have the right idea though.
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What? Some of you were actually looking forward to this?
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I kinda win
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strike or no strike, re-write or no re-write, Miller or no Miller...this is gonna suck
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But the idea of Miller teaming with Superman, Batman, Green Lantern, The Flash, Wonder Woman and J'onn J'onzz does send me into geek overload, yes.
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- if the only thing holding him up is a bad screenplay. If it was Ratner half the film would be in the damn can by now, shit script or no.
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Then again, that would leave warners without a major Superhero film to anchor summer 2009, them having shelved Superman Returns 2 infavor of JLA. So, who's to say?
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I really don't want to see this made, with or without Miller.
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keep it on hold for another 10 years.
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we have a crap script, a bunch of young actors playing roles that are currently played by better actors (Routh and Bale), etc. Take a note from Marvel because The Avengers is looking better and better everyday.
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Wha-? What happened to all those homophobic assholes bashing part 1 in 2006?
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I think the whole idea of this is just... off.
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Will this correspond in any way to the current DC films i.e. Dark Knight and 'man returns or will it just pretend they don't exist and create its own little universe? Because to be honest I don't see it working either way. And I don't want it tarnishing Nolan's films for sure.
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It's a different universe. Nothing to do with Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, or Superman Returns. Thus the recast of those roles.
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bring back the Boll.
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the thought of this movie coming out in the midst of the Batman and Superman franchises being revamped just blows my mind, i mean, how greedily impatient can WB get? strike while the iron is hot, sure.. in the meantime, let's ruin everything that's been widely accepted as decent by throwing together a rag-tag, MISNAMED Justice League film (Teen Titan would have been more apt, as I'm sure anyone who follows the comics would agree). The Justice League consists of seasoned superheroes, not 23 year old rookies..
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I probably wouldn't be so bent out of shape over the development of this property if it weren't so obviously touted as being rushed into a very premature existence. writer's strike or not, the people in charge of things are very, very openly throwing all care and respect for any sort of artistic merit out of the window just to get the ball rolling.. makes me sick to my stomach.
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Superman Vs. Batman is still being talked about at Warner as far as I know. Bale and Routh for that? How many universes do you need??
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I wont believe either of those castings until AICN mentions them. Because I choose to get my movie news from THIS site as opposed to anywhere else. I gotta stick with my peeps.....even if my peeps seem to be asleep at the wheel as of late. Where the hell is Merrick? He usually pick up the slack with this sort of stuff. Guys I loves ya, but it appears you need to hire a few of the longtime talkbackers to catch some of this stuff your missing. Of course I want nothing to do with that, given my illfated YouTube column. Even a weekly catchup of "cool news" you may have initially overlooked would be a great edition to the site. Quint, Mori, Mr.HEADGEEK sir, please consider it.
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Come on! I wish people would wake up! There's no way this idea would work as a film -- it embarasses me enough that comics have crossover superheroes. I hate it. Even a semi-good JLA movie will totally ruin the great work by Chris Nolan with Batman and (to a lesser extent) Singer's Superman. Just do a Wonder Woman standalone film. I'm perplexed that this idea actually has ANY credibility within the fan community. Sorry, I've just never been at all interested in these "wet dream" team-ups. The quicker this dies, the better.
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truth be told, i'd rather see a proper Superman film come into fruition over this haphazard Justice League bullshit.
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This project has just got "mistake" written all over it. If they ever do a DC team-up movie, it should be with the established actors. That's the only justification for doing it. TDK looks great, so hopefully we'll have a third movie from that team. I really, really want to see a Routh/Singer Superman sequel. And Wonder Woman and Green Lantern need their own films. GL in particular has such obvious potential as a Star Wars-level franchise.
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and voiced by Patton Oswald.
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Please, don't rush this and make it suck. It could be really great if given the time it needs. Unfortunately, its much more likely that they'll rush out some piece of crap that will make a mint anyway, meaning 'we the geeknation' will be very unhappy whilst the great unwashed will have another weekend diversion between vomiting, working, and spawning more vermin. Remember, when it comes to Art and Commerce in Hollywood, Commerce almost always wins. Sigh.
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Adam Brody, 28
Scott Porter, 28
Common, 35
Brandon Routh, 28
Christian Bale, 33
Christopher Reeve (in 1978), 26
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is there a rule against shooting things that are not written by WGA writers, then after the strike ends (one day) and then put those scenes into the final product?
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All the news about this project has been underwhelming. The casting, the plot rumors, everything. They should let this one go, and start again in a few years.
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...the prospects for a GROO: THE WANDERER epic just improved?!?!
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I love superhero movies being made regardless. Do I want it made? Sure. But still. 1. Even though Bale wont or cant be in it doesnt mean Roth cant. 2. Casting is fucking doo doo except for Comon as Lantern cause the fucking age is right. 3. Samuel L. Motherfuckin Jackson as Nick Fury appearing in Hulk & Iron Man as an intro to Avengers? Bad ASS. Robert Breathalizer Downy Jr. as Tony Stark appearing as a cameo in Hulk. Fucking amazing. Never been done. Marvel already has its shit straight. And smart contracts written too. I dont know if its DC begging to be in movies or Warner begging for $$$. But they aint doing so good without Bats.
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When they SHOT those movies Reeve was 24, Bale was 29, Routh was 25. THAT's your Teen Titans, kids.
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I agree with "whatyoufear." Not only is it selfish for WB to "strike while the iron is hot," but it's not even a shrewd business move. I think everyone can see from a mile away that this turkey of a project is going to go overbudget, get delayed, become overshadowed by fast food tie-ins, etc. This will be the most expensive toy commercial since Space Jam. And when this shit bombs, it's going to bring down the respectable Batman and Superman franchises with it. While "we" may see this as taking place in a separate universe from those films, the general audience won't. And let's face it gang; this movie isn't going to be aimed at people like us anymore than the Fantastic Four films were.
And no, I don't give a rat's ass that George Miller is directing this. The guy made one great movie like a fucking quarter century ago. Clearly, when they made the decision to put him in the director's chair it wasn't based on the work that he did in the 80's. It was based on the success of his recent films (the Babe movies, Happy Feet), so I think that's pretty telling of the direction they want to go in with the Justice League film. Is that the direction you want this project to go? -
no miller, no me.
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i'm gonna keep an open mind,could be cool..IF..done right...
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Francis Ford Coppola is holding hostage one of the great pieces of cinematic history. Abel Gance's "Napoleon" is being locked away from generations of film goers because Coppola somehow got the rights to the film and is refusing to release it to the public. There is no excuse for the non-existance of a dvd or blu-ray version of this hugely important film. The issue goes back to Coppola's father having rescored the film and Francis Coppola refusing EVER let it be seen as it was originally intended. So, as students of art, we are being deprived because of one man's deep pockets. Please, if you care, petition Criterion or Kino and see what can be done to wrest one of the most important films of all time from the one man who is holding it prisoner.
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Fuck The Strike. Fuck Actors. Writers Have An Education & Dont Bathe In Their Egos So They Are Cool With Me. I Need Some MOVIES! & Stay Away From The Hobbit Raimy! You Got My Ass Kicked On Halloween In My Black Spidey Costume!
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please...?
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I'm not that gaga over George Miller either, I could care less if he directed Babe or Happy Feet, to me his only important credit is the Road Warrior. I keep saying it, but throw out the script, fire the teenyboppers and film Kingdom Come.
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I think the main point here is the recasting of Superman and Batman, and keeping this film seperate from the other franchises. As far as I'm concerned, Warner fucked up. Bale and Routh were both pretty vocal about wanting to be in a Superman Vs Batman flick together. Warner dropped the ball with all this casting crap.
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Reverso's script is already there, praying Miller can get the juice to make that instead and return to the visceral glory of MM2.
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Why MUST Warners have a superhero film for 2009? It it written in stone somewhere that a studio HAS to produce a superhero movie every year? Are we not sick to the back teeth of such films? What in the wide wide world of sports is so original about them any more? Spend the money on something more interesting and/or worthwhile, Mr Studio Head. And while I'm here, all power to the WGA strike too.
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Drop this stupid JLA movie idea until you can do it right. Put the money where it should be: signing Nolan and Bale for a 3rd Batman film and getting Singer and Routh back to the Man of Steel!
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Jan 15, 2008 5:27:52 PM CST
If "Smallville" couldn't kill the Superman franchise nothing can
by mose schrute
You know why "they" "get" that projects featuring the same character can exist in separate universes? Because there have been 900 "Batman" projects made since 1943, all set in different universes. Did people's heads explode because "Superman Returns" came out while "Smallville" was still on? Did people run screaming from cinemas because the Batman in "Batman Begins" didn't employ the same continuity as the Batman in "Justice League Unlimited" and "The Batman" and repeats of "Catwoman," "The Batman/Superman Hour," "Super Friends," "Batman: The Animated Series," "Birds of Prey," "Teen Titans" and all the shitty Tim Burton/Joel Schumacher movies? Ninnies.
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The whole script and storyboards have already been created. Just film the damn thing already!
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It would be a mercy killing.
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Even with Miller attached its been nothing but a bad idea from the start. Why do a JLA movie with a bunch of unknowns? Why recast both Batman and Superman instead of using actors like Bale and Routh? If they really wanted an under 25/teen friendly lineup,why not spin the Justice League off from Smallville and have Tom Welling appear as Superman(and yeah,I personally think SMALLVILLE sucks,but it does at least have an established fanbase)? WB needs to look at how Marvel is handling THEIR superhero films-I havent read a single fucking issue of Iron Man but due to the top notch talent working on the flick,I'll be there to see it on opening day. Warners needs to assemble top notch directors,screenwriters who actually KNOW the characters(like maybe Bruce Timm or Paul Dini)and get some real fucking actors to play these iconic parts instead of using the leftover cast from One Tree Hill. No fanboy worth his mylar wants to see a 21 year old Hal Jordon...give us someone like Nathan Fillion. Spend a little money and get Ryan Reynolds to play the Wally West FLASH. These characters have been around for 60 fucking years and you have a ton of money to do them right WB-stop cheaping out and show the fans and the characters some respect.
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You took the post right out of my keyboard. EXACTLY WHAT enthisiam is this guy talking about?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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i read the reason why he's doing this League nonsense is so he can go make his baby Fury Road at last. Cannot wait for Mad Max 3: Fury Road (Goofydome is not a Mad Max movie btw)
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Jan 15, 2008 5:38:55 PM CST
i can personally say i havent waited 47 years for a jla movie.
by duchuvney_post_x
and now i dont think i will ever start waiting.
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Can't they have some brit or other outsider write it? How does that work? Anyway they better wait for a decent script that this perfect fit of a director can work with. We dont want another letdown like Xmen 3.
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Kubrick canned the script and shot A CLOCKWORK ORANGE straight from Anthony Burgess' novel.As Kyle McLaughlin said in THE DOORS,"What script? Jean-Luc Goddard doesn't use a script."Just start filming.
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Don't pull an AVP on us. Not with Justice League. Shelve it, wait for a worthy script and get Routh and Bale signed. We want this movie, but we want it done right. Anything else will be unfair to the characters and the people paying to see your movies.
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Please just say "No!" to George Miller's Justice Babies!!
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Jan 15, 2008 5:57:11 PM CST
George Miller is still > the clairvoyance of little fanboy bitch
by ebonic_plague
Suck it, Trebek.
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This would have blown. You know it to be true.
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I read this last Friday with my bowl of oatmeal for lunch...
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Jan 15, 2008 5:58:11 PM CST
they should have Uwe Boll direct
by lloyd bonafide the korean war veteran
he's a much more talented, integrity-driven film maker.
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$35,000 from creative accounting. I'll be the easiest weekend's work I ever did.Yeah, like that isn't happening all over Hollywood.
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Though a film with Bale's Batman and Routh's Superman might be very cool one day, Bale sure should not at this point participate in JLA. That would steal the credibility of the gritty semi-realistic universe Nolan has created. But JLA done right, like a more adult, serious and actionpacked Incredibles, could be positively mindblowing. And Millar certainly is about the best possible choice.As long as he has a script. Why worry about young actors? Mel Gibson was pretty young when he started out. As long as Millar is controlling the casting we're in good hands. Buzz Maverick, why not work without script indeed? Just go with some of the more space opera stories of Grant Morrison...
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All those who claim to be "Hardcore" will bash this regardless, but thankfully the stupid general public will eat it up and it will be one of the top grossing films the year it is released.
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it wouldn't bother me at all if Miller got the axe...if the project goes forward I say give Robert Rodriguez a call.
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with dancing and mock songs ... I'd like tro see that
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Jan 15, 2008 6:23:16 PM CST
I'd consider the criticism for the idea of this movie...
by ebonic_plague
...if any of the criticism in here was valid. So far, most of it is just, "There's no way this could possibly not suck!" Really? Why's that? The age of the actors? Reeve was younger than any of them. The fact that they're unknown? I'd prefer that to having a big star in cosplay. They're too good looking/models? That didn't seem to be a problem for Lynda Carter. The script? Well, that could be a valid concern, but it sounds like Miller is concerned about that as well. And I don't think you can pick a better director for this (one who would actually want to shoot a JLA flick, anyway.) So what is this definitive proof of impending shittiness?
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Maybe it would be easier to list all the things that don't "MAKE (your) BRAIN MELT IN WHITE HOT RAGE." Doesn't seem like there's much left there unmelted.
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Put this JLA movie to pasture and get a new production team. Cast adults. Disaster averted!
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I thought Mandies were all about playing it... cooooooool.
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I said that in a thick Scottish accent. Keep the director, lose the cast. And by him wanting a rewrite we could lose some of the annoying story elements, i.e., things that connect it to the current Batman franchise.
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I hope they change that.I dont want an Tom Welling kind of dude to play Superman.And imagine some O.C.kid as Batman!Dont know who they should cast,but please not some kids.
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Just think about it for a second. The movie will suck hard. It won't even attract enough audience because it doesn't have Spides. Supes Returns didn't exactly do the right business they wanted. That's NOT because of the quality of the movie either. Most people just didn't want a Supes movie. It wasn't the right time for it. It's not the right time for Justice League. A 2 year wait for it would be most acceptable.
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Fuck that!RIP man.
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I still have yet to hear a legitimate reason that this is doomed to shitastic failure.
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Who the fuck is Brad Renfro and why should I care?
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....to pay respects to someone is not handjobish you fuckwit.
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You could get Francis Ford Coppola or Steven Speilberg to direct this thing... But even Speilberg would turn it down because he knows you can't cram that many superheroes into a 2 hour movie and have it make any sense at all!!! Justice League made a good waste of time for 5 year olds on Saturday morning, but if you critique it on any level or try to bring it to film... IT'S CRAP! It was a crappy cartoon that would make a crappy movie! The best director in the world wouldn't touch it on premise alone!! You could dig up Fellini and ask him... he'd tell you "Don't bother me with this crap!" and crawl back in his warm grave!!
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This was gonna blow bitches- may it be cast onto Planet Saakar where the Son of Hulk gives it the beatdown for all eternity.
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Oh, he was a junkie? Strung out on heroin, huh? Apparently heroin tends to make people stop living. I guess he never got the memo.
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Babe III: Pig in My Stomach
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X-Men.
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Geniuses.
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The Eastern Promises Collection!
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And immediately thought we had come up with a new adjective for shitty; e.g. "The Cowboys really put forward a piscopo effort on Sunday."
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The more I hear about this project, the more it sounds like its going to be a disaster. I think they should through more money and talent at another series of JUSTICE LEAGUE UNLIMITED animations instead. That show ROCKED.
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...seeing as you really don't know a goddamn thing about this project. I hope the movie does get killed, just so I don't have to put up with another year of you hateful mouthbreathers going on about "universes" and "BALE" and "ROUTH" as if anyone outside of this farting nerd pit had any idea what you're talking about. I want to see it handled well too, but just because Marvel has started straightening things out with Downey and Norton, doesn't mean I'm forgetting about Alba and Berry. Or that snaggletoothed shrew Dunst. It will probably be a popcorn movie with great effects and it sounds like there'll be SUPERHEROES in it. Dry your tears.
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NO JUSTICE LEAGUE... don't spit in Nolan's face.
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There is no good will left for Miller. Happy Feet did not deserve to win last year. He clearly has no taste in actors. He also has no taste in a story. Fuck this entire fucking movie. May it drown in hell.
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Whatever you say, pal. Lotta nitpicking BS in here masquerading as reason. Here, I'll give you guys a legitimate gripe: the casting rumors, with few exceptions, seem kind of bland and uninspired, and feel market-tested to appeal to Abercrombie Iphoners. And the rumored script was generally unimpressive. But that alone does not shittiness guarantee, especially with someone like Miller helming. I can't jump on the "suck" bandwagon as willingly as some of you based on those concerns.
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... about wanting to be in a Superman Vs Batman flick"?? REALLY? Where and when did they express THAT!? Not that I don't believe you...it's just that I think maybe that would be pretty big fanboy/geek news that would have been reported here...well,scratch that...at least at SHH or CHUD or somewhere.
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He would be pretty good.
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...were ever vocal about wanting to do a team-up movie. More fiction.
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I was sure the dumb fucktard who posted that was talking out his ass.
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I'm more excited about the Avengers movie.
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we just want to see this thing take off CORRECTLY and not some shit ass car wreck like X3. or any other x-men movies for that matter.
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If rushed it will turn into a league of extraordinary gentlemen...
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...i was really referring to the flame + not the passion. The passion I get. Calling a movie that hasn't even announced a cast yet a shitfest is just willful negativity.
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But I like that.Go on.
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...Miller will most likely shoot the flick in Aus. Its got none union actors in it, and will no doubt have plenty of non union crew on it...Millers pretty well established outside of the studio system, does he really need his union card that bad? I mean, Rodrigeuz and and Lucas do alright. Why the fuck don't they just go ahead and rewrite it and make it without the unions approval. What a bunch of pussies.
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...And why not just do what someone suggested above...Grab the best issues of JLA and film from the comic. I don't get why they even bother hiring half these hacks to adapt books. Just fucking buy up some novellas or longer shorts, and you got your "script". You could probally hire a "secretary" to "Edit" the book into a cliffnotes like thing for easier shooting purposes. They really just could cut em all out.
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JUSTICE LEAGUE takes it up the ass from TEEN TITANS. They should just have a TEEN TITANS movie. JUSTICE LEAGUE is for pussies who like it in the ass.
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very good Mr.caruso.
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...while Kid Flash rapes Green Lantern in the ass. Batman is a latent homosexual who can't hold a steady relationship and hangs out with teenaged boys all day. Superman is boring. All he ever does is lift shit and turn back time.
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...than make movies about pederasts in cowls played by rejects from "One Tree Hill." Please make TEEN TITANS instead, Mr. Miller. And Aqualad could be played by Shia LaBeouf. I love Shia LaBeouf. He should be in everything.
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It is about time!
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Or at least his spastic sidekick, Rupert T. Charlemagne. He could always be running alongside Max yelling "Max! Max! Hey, Max!" Also, Shia should get to kick a dwarf's ass and use a flamethrower at some point. Afterwards he could say "Max! Hey, Max! Did you see me nail that dwarf with the flamethrower? Max!"
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That idea is almost as bad as casting Kerri Russell as Wonder Woman Good thing that will never happen.......... what?... whaddya mean they... you're kidding....
http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=6687
DAA-AHH FUCK IT!!
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Where is the excitement in that? Lois Lane gets crushed by boulders and Superman is sad so he turns back time and saves her. Superman didn't learn anything from this experience. So the next time he's a split second late to save a bus of orphans from getting hit by a train he'll just say "No worries! I'll just turn back time! Shazzam!" Superman will never know loss. He will never know love. He is nothing. Batman, though a closeted boy-lover, is much more interesting. The murder of his parents changed the entire course of his life. He could have been a doctor like his dad, or just another rich asshole. Instead he decided to dress up like a bird and fight evil. Superman doesn't even have a decent disguise.
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That's pretty much what I figured. Good luck with your surgery, I hope they can fix your problem.
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Hugh Jackman, Rene Echevarria, Kevin Falls & other producers getting their contracts cancelled with the Major studios because of the strike? Surely this is "AintItCoolNews" meant for the front page?
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Sad but true. http://www.imdb.com/news/wenn/2008-01-15/
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No one wants it.
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Yes! Let's have a couple a Superman films before a Justice League film.
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They had some cool stuff. Best part of going to the mall.
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Sorry guys, but you're both idiots. Do more research if you will, but for now, just suck my ass, k?
http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1535663/story.jhtml
"Routh added that while he enjoyed sparring verbally with "Batman" star Bale recently at the MTV Movie Awards, he'd prefer to see the two heroes work together. "I don't think we should go toe-to-toe, unless one of us is deranged somehow by some mind-altering drug," he laughed. "We shouldn't be fighting each other; we should be combining forces." Singer said he'd consider directing a "Batman vs. Superman" flick, but only after the Man of Steel establishes his identity a bit more thoroughly. "I've thought about it for a long time — even a longer time ago, actually," the director revealed. "But I don't know who would be the villain. I guess Batman would be the villain, but then he can't be too bad, because he is Batman. So not quite yet. ... I think Superman needs to have his own movies for a little while before that happens." Either way, Singer insisted that "everybody's excited to do more ... and I'm sure we'll do another one." And Routh had this word of warning for Bale: "I don't think Batman really, really wants to go and mess with Superman." ..."
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1. As much as I've enjoyed ALL the films of Miller that I've seen, I would rather wait and have a decent script. (Happy Feet felt like Miller was ready to do an adult film, but was under contract to do a kids movie made with old rock music, so he purposely let it get a bit subversive, just to satisfy his yearning, but that's probably just me! Or 'Wyrm. Sorta. Whatever.)
2. I'm OK with the ages of the actors, it's the direction that ultimately matters.
3. I do think that Marvel has it's ducks in better order than DC (sadly), and I like the idea of all the characters in roughly the same universe, regardless of which actor is playing them.
4. I believe that if DC is to be successful, they should have all of their stand-alone movies started before they go ahead with a JL(A) movie. (I don't care if it is Americanized, my own country has one, too!)
5. Certain characters need to have backstories before JLA (IMHO) to understand their +\-. (My most anticipated character, Green Lantern, in particular, is very complex and far-reaching. Much like The Flash and others, there's more than just one, en-canon.)
6. I like to see either the Kingdom Come storyline (as others have mentioned), or would love a WWII period piece with the World's Finest (with cameos of many country's heroes) fighting super-Nazis and the axis. I think people would rather see something novel done with the DC heroes, and leave the stand-alones for more modern times. Maybe a JLA later?
7. A huge part of me wishes that they DO make it, and Miller knocks it out of the park. Just to prove the jeerers wrong would be AWESOME! So much negativity these days... *Sheesh!* Sorry if that's a bit long, but I found some inspiration under Brian's bed. -
Right, and where in that cheeky collection of quotes from MTV press events did you deduce that either Routh or Bale were VOCAL about WANTING to do it? Routh was clearly being cheeky about it (not to mention *hypothetical*) and Bale was misquoted at least once while JOKING about the prospect. I am well aware that the two were made to discuss the idea by the press on one or two occasions. My question remains. You will have to continue sucking your own ass... although I suggest a mouthwash break, doofus.
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WB has a slot to fill. SR2 ain't ever happening because JLA was supposed to be the reboot for Supes and the launch-point for all the other characters. A perfect WB world would have had Wonder Woman one year, GL next, A JLA sequel, then Flash, Superman, etc...
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Look, the fact remains I got it half right. Call Routh's quote whatever you want to make you feel better. I'll give you Bale is nowhere in that article, but the subject has been brought up quite often with Routh and Bale in the last two years (moreso before JLA was announced) and each time they are along the lines of, "Well if it did happen..." Not to mention at Chicago Comic Con (trying to find the article) they bring it up yet again. So you can do whatever it is that you want, but I think we're both half right on this one.
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superman cant travel back in time in the comics. that's only the movies if i remember correctly.
but anywho, isnt the point of DC about different universes? the multiverse? 52? come on, every comic geek should know that. this JLA could just be earth-2 or something. they could do the universe where the JLA are bad guy dictators. that's badass.
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I don't read comic books. Except ALPHA FLIGHT, which I masturbate to nightly.
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IMO, Miller is doing this to get off the project. This is not his type of thing, especially at his age. I've always felt the lure of the paycheck made him sign on, but now the strike has pushed him to the point of no return and he's looking for an out. As crazy as it sounds, Singer is actively hunting for a project and he's already locked in for something with WB.Also, WB originally greenlit JLA thinking Bale would be done as Bats and Routh could carry over. But now that has fallen apart and Bale is signing for projects left and right. Don't be surprised if a rushed JLA kills Bats 3. WB was very intent on beating Marvel to the crossover game mainly because someone at Marvel let the Avengers flick, originally planned for 2010, slip out.
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I don't know about that, at least, I hope not. I think WB knows what they have with the new Batman franchise. Apparently they're happy with TDK, and want Nolan back for a third. But is it me, or has Nolan given the impression that he'll be back for at least the first three?
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In my extended family, the young teen boys did not like Superman Returns because it diverged too much from Smallville and the Timmverse animated shows. They were confused. "Lois had his kid? Why is Lex not a billionaire industrialist?"-----later------m
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Dang it, need to proof-read the subject line too.
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Any word about if they are continung this movie.
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Didn't the new issue say something about all of the roles being cast? So why haven't we heard anything official for Superman yet?
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Jan 15, 2008 10:39:20 PM CST
BRING ON S U P E R M A N (along with Singer, Routh, and the res
by ttman
I agree...screw JLA...Let's have another SUPERMAN movie.
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George Miller may have been the Mad Max guy once, but now he's the Babe and Happy Feet guy and I don't want to see his silly take on Justice league with his horrible casting.
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The thought of seeing the JLA O.C. makes my head hurt. Check out the early 90's pilot with David Ogden Stiers as J'onn J'onzz. That's real good too.
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This has "shitfest" written all over it, but we all know that anyway. Make "Man of Steel" instead. Bury this "Justice League" movie, because it was doomed from day one.
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Not under the WGA, and actually know what they're doing!
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and go ahead with the current script with another director. I hear Paul W.S. Anderson or the brothers Strausse are available! ;)
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Where IS the Groo Movie? Also, did the Fabulous, Furry Freak brothers movie ever come out? What ever will become of Fat Freddie's Cat?
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WB is stupid to even consider moving forward.
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half the bitching in this thread would go away. Or Gerard Butler and Brendan Fraser. Or anybody we've damned heard of. The shit casting is working everybody's nerves.
WB, you'll never please all of us or quiet all of the bitching, but if you weren't so damned CHEAP with the casting of the most iconic DC characters EVER, then the fans wouldn't feel so insulted. -
This crappy teen heroes movie will kill off any chance of getting a real JLA movie made someday.
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Yeah some of the ignorant do need to stop bitching about this. Bale has a 3 pic contract, with one of them being the option of a team movie. So, WB COULD shove him into JLA, but that uses up one of their pic deals.
Wisely, WB picked Nolan's Bat3 for Bale instead of JLA. I would be super PISSED if they had canned Bale in Bat3 just to keep the same guy as Bats in JLA. I can handle a recast better than no Bat sequel. - As long as the recast is GOOD, and not the joke it is now. -
...Didn't like "SR" either.
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With all the years of great comic stories to pick from,this script is based on the story with OMACS and an evil Max Lord why? Probably because that was the most recent storyline and copies of the comics were laying around the WB's offices. This project was conceived for one reason and one reason only-to get a big budget fanboy move made for Warner Bros. before the strike hit. Its been a rush job from day one and not one single bit of care or attention has been put into this project. I can fucking gurantee you that NO ONE working on this project has any idea who Darksied is or where Brainiac comes from or who the other members of the league are. Basically,a bunch of suits read the first issue of that OMAC story and decided to make a movie about it as cheaply as possible. THATS why the fans are pissed.
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i was a huge fan of the wolfman/perez titans back in the 80s. i wonder why someone at theWB/CW hasnt adapted that into a show yet - seems to be tailor made for that teen-angst model-turned actor formula. they could reference all the big DC superheros/mentors without having to break any embargos/cross-usage issues.
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Jan 16, 2008 1:13:07 AM CST
Hercules likes the OC and veronica mars and corny shit like that
by troutpencil
I see a fat toeheaded weakling with a terrible skin disease sitting in an overstressed swivel chair giggling to Joss Whedon blog posts every time I see his name; his mother probably made him read Ms. magazine every night before he went to bed and report to her all the reasons he hates men and how the patriarchy must fall. Pretty close to every male Whedon fan, but Herc's a little better than most of them, I'll give him that.
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Everybody's saying Warner Brothers Comics should copy how Marvel comics is doing it. I thought Marvel Comics was the ones that did Ghost Rider, Daredevil, Elektra, Fantastic Four, Fantastic Four 2, etc. Also aren't you the same individuals who hated Hulk because it was too thoughtful and good? And am I mistaken or did you also hate Blade 3 and X-Man 3 and didn't you ludicrously claim just this morning that Spiderman 3 was the worst movie of last year, etc.?
Is there more than one Marvel comics or do you guys just need to get your stories straight before posting on here? If there is any logic to your fury somebody please explain it to me, thanks in advance fellas. -
FTW on this one. Herc's editorial rimjobbing of everything Joss Whedon is pretty gross. Also, if the writer's strike can actually finally put the stake through the heart of this undying fetid abortion known as the WB's JLA Cashgrab, then thank you writers. And God Bless the U.S.A.
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I also liked HULK, X-MEN 3 and SPIDER-MAN DANCES and I don't read comic books. It's like these guys want to have their cake and eat it, too. I'm not sure that analogy applies to this situation, but I'm gonna run with it. They want their cake (comic book movies) and they also want to eat the cake (good comic book movies). The problem is Hollywood makes some shitty fucking cake.
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The "have your cake and eat it too" mentality does not work here. I don't know what these guys want. They want a JUSTICE LEAGUE movie that will be the greatest thing since sliced bread. Keep in mind that this is a movie starring Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, and a guy named Martian Manhunter. This is an impossible film to make. Batman and Superman together in the same room? Give me a fucking break. I don't know about the rest of you, but I've read a few comics in my day. I've read comics with Superman and Batman and they just don't work. I think it's best to keep these guys separate. I don't want to watch THE DARK KNIGHT or pick up a Batman comic and think to myself "At this very moment while Batman is fighting the Joker or that Ra's Al Ghul fuck, that somewhere in the world Superman is saving a bunch of people from a train collision or some shit." It's a ridiculous thought. Shouldn't Superman and Batman be teaming up to combat these problems? If only there was a league of some kind where a group of superpowered individuals could unite to fight for justice. And The Flash could be there, too.
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...is the fact that they are independently producing films such as IRON MAN and THE INCREDIBLE HULK that will hopefully be more faithful to the characters and shit than other recent films like fucking GHOST RIDER or whatever.
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I'd rather see a HELLFIRE CLUB movie, centering around a group of supervillians. I'd be a nice change up from the stuff you usually see. And they could get a chick with a big rack to play Emma Frost. Get a respectable actor to play Sebastian Shaw, hire somebody who can actually write, and make a good film. That's it.
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But I do like Chow Yun Fat, so that's shame.
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I'm not feeling the direction they are going with this one. I think they could either wait to develop more Batman/Superman/WW projects, and maybe get those actors (Bale included, fingers crossed) to do this gigantic movie. IT WOULD BOX OFFICE RECORDS!!! Imagine that. Who knows? Maybe they could even give it a try to that Batman vs. Supes concept. You can't deny the awareness after the I am Legend "poster cameo". I've had a bunch of people asking if there is any film about that coming out. Besides I like that idea about doing it in 2010 to celebrate the 50th anniversary. but, still, I think they should hold on.
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Its funny how DC fans and/or other marvel haters out there like to point out the list of crapfest that came out. I used to be one of the big fans of marvel. No more since spider-man's OMD but true to the point that FF2, ghost rider, X-men trilogy,daredevil, and hulk sucked...
but you know what? At least Marvel is trying to put crap out instead of relying on two properties that hasnt gone anymore.
Begins was a trite and endless whinefest. SR was DC's way of copying spider-man's formula and thankfully, failed at.
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i also saw Ryan Renolds as The Flash. He has the look, attitude, and body to do it. No?
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what's wrong with doing a JLA movie while stand alone bat and supes movies are still ongoing? you know what's so uncool about you so-called fanboys? your strict adherence to continuity! comic book geeks and trekkies are the same in that regards. the movie's gonnay get made sooner or later anyway, it'd be so much easier to just accept this movie exist as a separate entity. and a great JLA movie CAN be done. just dont think miller's the man.
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I feel the same way about DB. From what I've seen in those pictures, it looks it will be next year's D.O.A.
I hate how Hollywood has been disposing of Chow so badly. What as the purpose of his character in Pirates 3 anyway? What a waste of talent. He should go back to Hong Kong with John Woo and pump out a few more classic shoot-'em-ups ala HARD BOILED or THE KILLER before they get too old. -
personally, i like my superheroes working solo. always thought team-up is gimmicky - they meet, they fight, they join forces... lame. but it still doesn't mean if done right, it can't be entertaining. watched the 2 hours(4 half hour episodes) animated world's finest a few years back. i thought it was a cool supes/bat team-up.
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or terrence chang for shoving him shit movie after shit movie. it's sad to see chow's career flunders before it ever even took off. he was supposed to be the first chinese actor to be taken seriously as an actor in hollywood. to be the first 'legit' actor, not just another kungfu fighter. the guy can act in any genre, has charisma to spare, have big name fans like tarantino, scorsese, oliver stone. too bad hollywood just see him as an action hero, and kept feeding him second rate bullshit projects.
john woo, on the other hand, already made his mark in hollywood with 'face/off'. even if he never get to make another cool movie, he will always have that. that and hardboiled - the single greatest action movie E-V-E-R made. -
....Has at least reached puberty!!
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and be done with it.
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All this bad buzz from day 1. Seriously, if this show never sees the light of day, I think we're better for it.
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You know it to be true.
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Fuck JLA - fuck Millers Fury Road. I moved on to better filmmakers well over a decade and a half ago. I am still stunned that anyone would give this "purveyor" of childrens entertainment the chance to mutilate a franchise start-up that conflicts with a pre-existing successful (Batman) franchise reboot. Is there a single human being alive who doesn't know it in their soul that Miller is slavering hungry over the cheque for this film like he were Michael Jackson let loose in an orphanage. Give JLA to someone (one of the many, young talented -and let me say this: AMERICAN filmmakers out there today - Aranofsky, Kelly, Fincher - heck I'd even go Wes fucking Anderson on ya' if that were an alternate choice) who might actually give a fuck about what they're doing these days with their careers instead of this has-been, piece of shit sell-out. I look forward to the announcement that this cluster-fuck-since-day-one has been shitcanned.
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Singer's films have run their course. It's why we're getting JLA. And anybody who would rather have Bale in JLA than a final Nolan film, needs to be punched in the face.
Now an argument could be made that JLA should happen after Nolan finishes his trilogy and star the new Batman actor and the new Superman actor. But anybody who thinks Bale is willing to waste his life playing Batman forever needs a good wake up call. He's got a hell of a lot better offers than comic book movies. There WILL be a new Batman after Nolan's trilogy is done. Fanboys better start progressing through the stages of grief and process that. -
is that this movie that does not currently exist and may never, that we know nothing about except the director, the comic strip characters and maybe the title (but there's disagreement on that last part) - this vague hypothetical movie is bad because it's not like two other movies that we plan to see next summer? For fuck's sake we're reading tea leaves here. This is ridiculous.
As for Uwe Bolle, did you ever consider that maybe David Fincher doesn't fucking want to direct a movie about a guy who runs fast and a guy with a magic ring teaming up with the lady with the invisible plane, etc.? You don't have the draft here anymore, buddy. You're way off on Miller and you don't deserve the kickass movie he'll make if they end up doing this. You are hereby not allowed to watch this or Fury Road. We're gonna have to go by the honor system of course, I'm assuming you have a code of honor. If you see either of these movies I trust you to commit seppuku shortly after admitting you were wrong in the talkbacks. thanks.
And by the way, Kelly? The Southland Tales guy? The fucking Domino guy? He made one pretty good teen movie but he's young and American so he's better than fuckin Mad Max George Miller? That's nuts!
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...I bet there would be a fuckload of dancing.
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from a straight movie-goer point of view (comic books sucks, except for the italian ones, and a lil bit of Conan) is the following: in the Xmen franchise's 'reality', it makes sense that a bunch of people with the same disability (mutation caused by a common reason) team up for survival or to form a criminous organization. In JLA's universe, we have a millionaire vigilante, an super alien, a greek demigod, and Frodo Baggins teaming up to fight cyborg freaks. It is a shitty premise for a movie from the git-go. That's why they will take a more kiddie-friendly approach. Taking a project such as this with a straight face would only make it even more ridiculous. Don't get me wrong, this movie will suck either way. But doing it like this, its more likely that a LOT of kids will love it (the same ones that didn't liked BB or SR), plus they might be getting also a few comic book fans to enjoy it as well. Making it dark and mature would get them to the hardcore fans' pockets, but those are a very small group of people, considering the big picture.
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(Zemeckis for The Hobbit)
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I hate this shit-thinking that we can have a different actor play Batman in the Nolan film...a different actor in the Bats-Supes film, a different actor in the Justice League film, a different actor in the Batman Porn film: Batman Returns and Cums Again. You will have twenty movies with twenty different batmen, supermen, wonderwomen blah blah, that it will water down any joy that we, the fans, the geeks, the pound-dollar-yen-rupee paying public will have for the product! Stick with the individual movies and let a Justice League/Avengers movie happen only if a)there is a bloody need for it - an actual kick-arse story or b) Bale and Routh and whoever else are in it. Unless that happens, spare us the misery and disappointment...cos, let me tell ya, the movie companies have sure pissed us off with the crap stuff they've made recently! Concentrate on repairing the damage you did with last Superman flick! And work hard to make the Bats movie a good one! Thats all we ask for. For you, the movie making people, to do your f-king job and entertain us. Entertainment FIRST. Money SECOND.
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The fact that Miller is even thinking about doing this is freaking amazing. Its like having Spielberg or Scorcese doing a superhero flick. The man is a cinematic great who is capable of doing more with one scene than Ratner or Bay can do in 6 movies. Get a grip and grow up.
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"did you ever consider that maybe David Fincher doesn't fucking want to direct a movie about a guy who runs fast and a guy with a magic ring"
I did actually, well before I wrote the post - and I came to the conclusion that (given that Fincher seems to only direct films he has a genuine interest in) he'd probably say "Hell no!".
The "genuine interest" being the primary gist of my whole above post. ie: get a filmmaker who gives a damn about the properties he/she handles to direct JLA not just some ring-in after a cheque so he can make Fury Road (that's George Miller to you sir).
Do I think George Miller is a good director - sure (he isn't brilliant but he's certainly decent and he pulls good performances out of well-worn performers - I'm thinking Eastwick here)! I think Bergman (RIP) is a brilliant, amazing director - I wouldn't have been thrilled to hear that he was Directing JLA though. Horses for courses - you can keep on saying that "Mad Max George Miller" has the chops etc - sure, I don't doubt he knows how to put together an action sequence or to direct actors but my issue is - where is the fire in Miller for JLA? To be more accurate - where is the fire in Miller for ANYTHING (other possibly than Fury Road)? And therein lies my greatest disappointment with the announcement of Miller as Director for JLA.
Am I wrong - could I be wrong - sure. If I am jokes on me. I seriously doubt my posts here are affecting the outcome of whether this film is made or not and until it is I'll sit in disappointment of the much-dreamed of geek-possibilities. That's what film-geeks do, sit in the dark and dream of David Fincher's JLA or (put out of this world combination here) and then they share their thoughts and feelings with other geeks on websites like this one.
My views certainly aren't unique (alright, I do swear quite a bit - I admit that) - see above for other dissenting voices. If Fury Road is made I'll pick it up on DVD and if it's good I'll own up to it on these very boards but while it's in cinema's you'll forgive me if I go searching for something new and unique - not something re-trodden and dressed up in sparkly new colours. Mad Max is great mate but c'mon, time to move on. Gene Kelly? Now there's a man with class. -
Jan 16, 2008 5:43:12 AM CST
and for the people complaining about different actors
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
for the roles, have you guys actually read more than one comic?
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How in the hell do you know Miller isn't fired up? The man doesn't exactly pump out movies every year. I have not viewed a film by Miller that is not concise, thoughtful and near-perfectly realised. Few have his perfectionist streak outside of Peter Wier or The Burg.
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quick, pounce o mindnumbingly critical ones.
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Much of the arguement for Millers capacity to direct JLA seems built around a film series that is twenty years old (Max). I don't exactly see posters jumping up with "JLA from the Director of Happy Feet!". Can Miller direct - as noted in my above post - yes! Are there (in a geekalicious world) better choices for Director - yes, I think so. What about Aranofsky who was attached to Batman before Nolan - he could be an interesting choice. It's all geek-bait really, I suppose we'll know one way or another soon enough. I don't personally want to see "more" superhero's on a screen I'd rather see better superhero films (and here you might argue Miller is the man - we'd have to agree to disagree on that one).
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If the rumored casting is true, then it sucks! It is better that this project is cancelled rather than to see a 21 year old plays Batman. Even the guy they picked for Superman is worst than Brandon Routh.
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you say the concept of JLA is stupid but you want a sequel to a piece of shit movie? fucking dumb cunt.
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you'd see a 200 million dollar A-list Green Lantern movie. not a movie directed by the homosexual showrunner of brothers and sisters who says anyone can wear the ring, when actually people who can overcome fear are chosen. fucking assfucks.
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Justice league is being called American heros and it's being shot ala 'Beowulf'. I was talking with one of the animators. he turned it down because he hated the idea. true story.
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Superman Returns was a piece of shit, a badly made film in itself that was also a shitty comic book movie and a shitty superman movie. it was nothing like superman and it was just fuckign shit. smallville has 2% of the budget that Singerman had and yet that is far far far more entertaining and action packed than that shitty movie ever was. That shot of supes hearing everything in space and he comes down to stop bank robbers(who are already on the roof) and all they do is shoot him and then he smiles and that's it? THAT'S IT! Fuck you. Dark Knight's first 6 minutes had what that scene should of been, yet nothing happens in Superman returns. what a piece of shit.
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period
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Green Lantern, whichever Hal, Kyle, John or Guy took on the Sinestro Corps and you think he'd die to a bunch of omac's? you underestimate Green Lanterns.
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you will never get your piece of shit dream. Get used to it.
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worse than that, your horrible synopsis actually killed some of my brain cells.
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yeah, but that sucked. plus green lantern could take on a million omacs. hold them back. but i agree with casting for john stewart, i brought it up a year ago.
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that's the dude who fucking took on Superboy Prime and lived. SODAM YAT!
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Does anyone really think that with a movie ready to go a studio is going to sit on it for at least a year to undergo re-writes just because the director wants it?
New director, film gets made, panned by critics, ends up in bargain bin.
I'm not saying it's right, but this is the way of things. -
Jan 16, 2008 7:14:13 AM CST
dastickboy, if thats true(highly probable)
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
they should just kill it. Miller is the quality control on this project.
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But guys, I'm coming here to eat some crow and agree with those of you that think this project should not move forward in its current state. I'll admit it! My love and nostalgia for the JLA comic books and its heroes blinded me to some glaring problems with this movie. Now I've got no problem with George Miller directing, nor with producer Barrie Osborne or with WETA creating costumes and possibly doing some or all of the effects work. BUT - the casting sucks. I kept trying to justfy it, but I can't anymore. The casting SUCKS, plain and simple. When I read that Warners was not pleased with the mediocre C-list stars attached to the movie, and that may be one of the reasons that the movie gets scuttled, it hit me that I wasn't happy with all the cast choices either. There was not ONE that I'd gotten excited about. So I must begrudgingly say that right now, this movie should stop. Blah.
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Then let Miller just do a straight up Green Lantern movie - someone needs to get this property away from that fairy queen Greg Berlanti, who only is on the movie because it's about a guy with flashy jewelry. Another blah.
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Jan 16, 2008 7:43:49 AM CST
I'll watch for Megan, but otherwise this movie is dead to me.
by ironic_name
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..In the oven for a few years!
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does that mean they are obligated to get another Aussie director. If so, they better go for Peter Weir!
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Smallville Sucks!!
Singers "Man of Steel" coming 2010, woohoo!
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Hmmm. MTV 'banter'? Must be for real. I'm sure it's in development as we speak.
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make something different, you hacks. And you fanboys over there... grow up and watch some proper movies instead of this tired genre. No one gives a fuck about the 'green lantern' (whatever that is) in the real world or this stupid idea for a movie 'Justice League of America' - what a laughable title that is these days). I would seriously like the studios to stop making fucking superhero movies. They rarely make their money back and they're usually deeply unoriginal. You fanboys should stick to playing with your x boxes, as thats where this shit should exist.
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Fuck all you. I have a headache.
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I win because for one I know more about comics and Superman than you, and no one takes anyone who praises Superman Returns over Smallville (which actually has Superman fighting and actually has action and a realistic Lex Luthor) seriously. You fail. if you want a sequel to an incredibly stupid movie you must be, retarded, a 14 year old girl or in Roger Ebert's age group who knows fuck all about the potential of comic book movies.
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you know fuck all about anything. no one gives a fuck about green lantern? Really? Is that why it's considered along with The Punisher Max to be the comic of the decade and of last decade too? Is that why Sinestro Corps War the story that just finished is being considered by many to be the greatest Superhero story ever written and one of the great fictional stories of any kind? Up there with the best fantasy stories? Is Lord of the Rings not a real movie? Is Star Wars not a real movie? because a well made Green Lantern movie would be the new Star Wars and it would be one of the greatest movies ever made, the story has that much potential. unfortunately you are retarded, but that's ok because no one gives a fuck what you think since you chime in with an ignorant opinion "No one cares about Green Lantern because I don't know what that is and i'm a dumb fucking cunt". Fuck you.
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I liked Superman Returns!Thanks for calling me: idiot,gay,asshole,retard,cocksucker,not intelligent,dumbfuck and so on.I like that,can I have some more SIR!Calm down guys!TB`s who are so hot about movies they dont like should do as follows:Go to a Bar,Cinema,Club or some other public place and start asking random people:"Do you like SR?".If they say yes,then please call them:"fuckhead,gay,asshole,retard,motherfucker and so on!That would be fun now would it!I just want to say:treat the TB`s who dont like the same movies that you like with a little more respect.Thank You!There are TB´s who have personal problems with each other,I dont mind that(I like to watch a good fight),but please guys dont be such random ASSHOLES to your fellow TB`s.
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Something with an abundance of man-love, right?
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Like no one would recognize the underwear model they went to high school with as Superman. The Clark Kent persona is supposed to be a DISGUISE. You can't fool anyone if the only difference is that you start wearing a red and blue cape instead of a red and blue shirt.
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First off, I don't know what the hell Miller is thinking with his JLA: Laguna Beach cast. This should be the Lord of the Rings of superhero movies. We should be talking about Angelina Jolie for Wonder Woman (as an example) and, I dunno, Matt Damon as Flash or whatever. They should be going up against Darkseid. Instead, when Adam Brody is your most famous cast member, you're well fucked.
Secondly, I don't blame Christopher Nolan for being pissed about this. Nolan and company worked damn hard to repair the damage to Batman and get people to take him seriously. A sub-par Batman in a mediocre film could turn people off to the third Batman film. You cannot overstate the damage that "Batman & Robin" did not just to Batman, but to superhero movies in general. Sure, WE know that JLA is "seperate", but do you really think that the casual moviegoer will be able to make that differential? -
People were really paying to see Wolverine, Magneto, the big ones. In Justice League, each hero has his fans and everyone will want to see lots of these characters, some will get shunned into the background for Batman and Supes which have already been done (and likely better) before, so we're going to see lashback from limited screentime.
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It even has Betty (Chloe) and Veronica (Lana), for cryin' out loud.
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This is George Miller's baby. Warner Bros. should let Miller have his way. His vision, his movie.
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no need to swear just because you have too much time on your hands and have every comic ever memorized and take it out on others because they don't.
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you dumb fuck, that idea was taken from John Byrne's 1986 reboot. Clark Kent was the disguise Pre Crisis, post crisis, Clark is the real guy which is how it still is and is in smallville and the animated series. He is normal as Clark but as Superman he acts more heroic, it's a public persona. Guess you're stupid.
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i don't have every comic memorized but i'm not ignorant to make a statement on something I don't know anything about. Eg some dumb cunt saying no one cares about Green Lantern but he doesn't know what it is. Well he can suck my ass.
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Bad idea. A Smallville/O.C. version of the JLA on the big screen sounds terrible. None of the actors put forth sound like perfect choices like Christian Bale was for Batman or Brandon Routh was for Superman. They look and feel like the cheapest actors they could find.
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sign up nolan and bale for a second batman trilogy and give them both the option to make the JLA movie and they (Warner) needs to also make a balls out bad ass superman knocking damn buildings over movie... Get Geoff Johns to write it.... and a Flash movie while he's at it... oh and a Green Lantern movie too
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by your reasoning we should hire George Lucas for Green Lantern since he made Star Wars, the most loved film in the world, even though he made that in the late 70's. But he still made it ehh?
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Brandon Routh was a perfect superman? What? more like a perfect christopher reeve silver age impersonator.
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From now on im going to picture as the comic book guy from the Simpsons, but angrier!
and no Im not 14, im not really old and last time I checked I wasnt retarded, but I do know Smallville sucks!
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"From now on im going to picture as the comic book guy from the Simpsons, but angrier!"
Sorry im trying to work and flame Messi!! -
From now on im going to picture YOU as the comic book guy from the Simpsons, but angrier!
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I'll pick this one back up tonight at home.
And for the record "Smallville Sucks" and Singers "Man of Steel" will be out in 2010, and like I said before about JLA they should take the whole production budget, stick it in a high intrest savings account and leave it there untill they can afford a decent cast or at least till the rumoured cast has reached maturity! -
It's Talkback.
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...so finish it. Give Miller the keys. And if the car needs repaired, it takes a mechanic to fix it.
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Any regular reader of Batman on Film is probably aware that the movie would have crashed and burned.
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i dont understand the infatuation with miller. some of you must think since he did great a while ago, he could still be great today. either vern haven't seen happy feet, or he saw it and liked it. i saw it, and thought it was a mess. i could count two three different movies mixed in there. it was all over the place and doesn't know what it want to be. if he cant pull it off(he can't - no matter what the critics said) with one penguin, what makes you think he manage all these superheroes, each with their own big ego vying for screen time?
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Jan 16, 2008 11:07:51 AM CST
Brad Renfro dies - Guess we wont be seeing The Client 2
by jackrabbitslim
Undoubtedly a drug overdose - pissed it away at 25
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i thought maybe that was the only way you'd understand, maybe I was trying to flame you. But if you really think that Man of steel will be out in 2010 and actually are hoping for it, then you're a fucking idiot. that was not a superman movie, it was a piece of shit and most people on this site agree aswell. First season of smallville wasn't good, but you can't say it sucks especially with seasons 5 onwards, it's like a whole different show, you can't judge it by 1 or 2 random episode either. it'd be like me when I thought The Wire was shit because of one episode because it looked cheap, then i started watching it. How can Smallville suck when it gets the post crisis Clark so right, and has excellent action set pieces that are far more memorable than anyhting in superman returns. Clark saving the kid from the damn after fighting Bizarro vs anything in Superman Returns. You must be a boring cunt if you liked that movie and want a sequel. The Superman Returns apologist. Fuck you.
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And yet Edward Furlong is still with us...sad news indeed.
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************************DESCRIPTION SPOILERS*****************************
Slow Paramount logo.
Bad Robot logo.
Black, suddenly some sparks (very saturated [with] Michael Bay-looking cinematography).
We hear an old NASA radio countdown: “30 seconds and counting.”
Close up of a timeless guy with goggles leaning down doing some wielding and sparks flying around.
He lifts his googles. Slightly futuristic head covering. It’s not a space suit, by the way.
The dude leans down and wields some more. He’s standing on big metal.
“From director J.J. Abrams” (blue font with a nice lens flare).
Some Kennedy speech about space flight: “The eyes of the world now look to space.”
People walking around the saucer section. The wielders are everywhere – showing size.
We hear: “The eagle has landed.”
Huge overhead shot pans across [and] suddenly [shows] what looks like miles of scaffolding underneath.
Title: “The future begins”.
Really impressive shot from … people all over the ship and you can see a huge industrialized city or shipyard in the background. It’s being built on Earth [rather than] in space.
Neil Armstrong: “One small step for man…”
Camera slowly cranes up over the whole saucer section.
Then we hear Leonard Nimoy’s line: “Space. The final frontier…” and the familiar “Star Trek” theme horns.
The shot continues [and reveals] the writing on the top of the saucer – “U.S.S. Enterprise” – and these huge aircraft-like warp engines in the background. Technically, the first reveal of what we’re seeing.
Just the Starfleet logo (no title).
Title card: “Under construction”.
“Christmas 2008” -
many of us have harbored for the project."
If you say so, Chief... -
I can't believe I actually heard the synopsis to the teaser BEFORE you posted it...you're slipping, sir. ;)
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Good or bad, I wanna know!
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X-Men was liked well enough by fans of the comic, but hardly a great movie.
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Compare X-Men to Superman: The Movie, Superman 2, Batman (w/ Keaton), Batman Begins, or any of the Spiderman movies. X-Men was hardly a great movie by any stretch of the imagination.
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...if there is some desperate, 11th hour scrambling being done to keep this movie alive. Hey, did anyone else read about a week or two ago that Eva Green had a meeting with George Miller? Wonder (get it, Wonder?) if they were having second thoughts about Gale as WW. I could see Eva in the role if she defined herself a bit more - at least she's a decent actress and a semi-name (at this point I'd take a Bond girl).
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Routh is willing and happy to play Superman for both the sequrl to SR and the Justice League film. Bale on the other hand has expressed no interest in playing Batman outside of Nolan's films, citing that what Nolan has created doesn't mesh well with the world of JLA. I understand his point but at the same time for me personally, Bale is Batman.
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It certianly respects the source material better than Burton's Batman and I think Jackman's portrayl of Wolverine was pretty close to spot on. However, X2 was considerably better and remains one of the very best superhero flicks in my estimation.
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we all knwo it's gonna suck on the same level as a Fantastic Four movie...don't even go there.
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I'll admit that I have only seen season 1, some of season 2 and all of season 5, but I know crap TV aimed at 15 year olds when I see it!!
To be honest I havent got the same hard on as you have for the source material!!
Id rather watch a good film that takes the odd liberty than a faithul turd!
Suerman Returns was good Cinema, and yes a lot of Talkbackers hated it, So what!! I liked it, many people in the real world liked it and there are a fair few folk in the Zone that like it!!
It required you to think and have at least some maturity in the way you look at things and not chuck your toys out the pram because it wasnt an X-Men 3 style mash up!!
If the strike hadnt happened there would have been more word on the sequel, im just glad the budget and stuff was agreed before the strike, all it needs now is a writer and it can move forward and Singer et al can work towards the 2010 release date!
But even after saying all this I respect you for defending Smallville, It reminds me of how I used to feel about The New Adventures of Superman when I was a kid, it was only when I was older that I realised i was a crap Superman Sitcom!! -
X-Men suffers from too many characters. It IS however better than say "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen." And you are right... Wolverine WAS the best character. But he did not save the movie... try as he might!! Which is why we now look forward to a Wolverine movie since we saw his potential to carry a movie on his own and potentially make a good (possibly great) movie. Fantastic Four Movies sucked for the same reasons (Plus the bad writing, performances, and Dr. Doom voice abviously coming from behind the mask... shoulda looped it ala. Darth Vader.) But too many main characters becomes a big mess.
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The film was only about 90 minutes and I never understood why, unless it was due to budget issues. They also pissed away Sabertooth by ignoring his past with Wolvie. The stand alone Wolverine film is a great idea but I hope they go a darker route and push the PG-13 rating as far as it can stretch.
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I too can't believe he's still alive!
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What a lame (and obvious) attempt to cash in on the success of other great comic-films. "Oh, Spider-man 3 made HOW much? Awesome! Hurry up and get some hot youngsters in those tights! And bring me a lobster sub, bitch!" Ugh, sad.Personally I'm hoping for: Singer/Routh Superman 2 in '09, Nolan/Bale Batman in '10 Bale/Routh Crossover in '11and a lobster sub, bitch.
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...anyone who thinks a Batman/Superman film wouldn't work hasn't given it enough thought, or isn't a fan of both equally.
I really dug the Dini 'Worlds Finest' story. Awesome work. But I think it's a little simplistic for a live-action piece. It was fun, but I've already seen it. No need to re-create it.
What I'd really like to see is a story of 2 very different methods of protection: Inspiration v Intimidation.
The action and costumes are icing on the cake. The real substance comes from their internal conflict, rather than 'who would win in a fight'.
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C'mon!!
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He is saying that
"Justice League Officially Put On Hold !!"
IM AS HAPPY AS A PIG IN SHIT!! -
What would you prefer- a rushed movie with an inferior script, to knock Batman and Robin from their worst comic book movie ever, or a WGA approved, well-written movie, endorsed by DC editorial, to eventually be released to become the greatest comic book movie yet? I'm willing to wait than to be disappointed.
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A team up of this size should be treated with the same gravitas as Pacino/DeNiro in 'Heat'. When they finally share the screen, the audience is in suspense because we identify with EACH individual for different reasons.
Superman believes that people should aspire to be good, while Batman wants them to be afraid of being evil. Optimism vs Pessimism.
While Superman can view the collective humanity as desiring peace, he is unable to clearly identify with anyone. He is invulnerable, he can move with thought, he can destroy almost anything with his bare hands, his breath, even his sight. That is a lot of responsibility for one person. The only thing keeping him from conquering the planet are the lessons of his Dad, who taught him to be a protector, and not a tyrant. To lead by example, and not by intimidation.
This virtuous outlook goes strictly against Batman's methods. Having no advantage other than force of will, Batman manages to fight crime in one of the worst cities in America. Worse than South Central, Detroit, the 5 burrows, DC... One man is able to manipulate the population using scare tactics and unbelievable rumors. He is basically a terrorist, but for the innocent. I'm sure he has questioned his methods; but no matter how much he tries to escape it, Batman has no choice but to use fear and panic to do his job. He was scarred as a child to fear crime, as an adult those scars never healed, they just turned outward. -
Thank the heavens, someone at WB has a brain and has done a u turn on this potential franchise killer. Feel sorry for the staff though.
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Jan 16, 2008 5:16:42 PM CST
Breaking news: the world does not give a fuck about Green Lanter
by vesuvio
Whoever said that is right. It may be a successful character and comic book series AMONG comic book nation, but the idea he's actually a popular (Superman, Spiderman) or even slightly known character (Ironman) out there is laughable. And Smallville does sucks. It might be very faithful to the source material and such, but is crappy television nonetheless. Poor writing, shitty acting (with the exception of Rosembaum) and a unexistent respect for the viewer's intelligence, with magical solutions and characters ressurecting all over the place, for the sake of sloppy-conceived, aimed-for-the-dumb, cliffhangers.
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couldn't be a hit, but it doesn't change the fact that, right now, for the most part of movie-going population, he is a nobody.
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Am I not a part of this world?
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Jan 16, 2008 5:29:51 PM CST
LaserPants, I'll assume you're a part of the "comic book nation"
by vesuvio
But out here, nobody knows the guy. I've no doubt the man has his followers, but he's no Superman. Or Batman. Or Hulk. Or Spiderman. Or even WonderWoman... he never had any kind of promotion to the general public.
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The idea that Superman can hear the planet from space furthers his messiah status. I for one like this angle for Superman. He was created by 2 people whose religious beliefs dictate the arrival of an avatar who leads humanity by example. It's a terrific approach to a character who has the powers of a God.
Grounding the stories in reality makes the character even more impressive. Imagine the reaction from the general public if an all-powerful alien were to arrive on Earth and start saving us from ourselves, without interferring in our governments. There would be panic, fear, lack of understanding, anger, some who chose to worship him like a God, and others who want to destory him for being on our planet. But he'd want to earn our trust, make us feel comfortable around him. That's why he doesn't wear a mask or gloves, he's showing he has nothing to hide. His costume, the bright, easy-to-see color scheme, and the simple symbol are an attempt to make him seem friendly approachable. He wants to help the world improve.
Why doesn't Superman protect Gotham? Who says he doesn't? People in Gotham believe their city is home to a giant, winged flying creature. If someone in Gotham was miraculously saved from danger, they would probably assume it was Batman without thinking twice.
Superman would have to know who Batman really is. As soon as stories of a giant bat started surfacing, you have to believe Superman would go looking for it before it hurts anyone. Batman would have no way of knowing he was being watched. He'd probably sense something watching him, but if he can't see it, there's no proof.
But as soon as Superman sees Batman isn't a villan, he'd probably try to help him in his crusade, crimefighter-to-crimefighter. Batman would undoubtedly be suspicious of this alien-man, refuse his help, and thank him to stay out of his business. Superman wouldn't force the issue, leaving him with a warning not to endanger innocent lives... or else. -
Very few people 'gave a fuck' about Blade before he had a film. And, wow, the movie was good and he became popular. Was it magic? Or are you just being a tad small-minded?
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Thank God it's on hol now. Now will somebody please get news on the Superman Returns sequel??! For god's sake... Get this one going before it's too late!!
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...should be pretty obvious. Superman isn't all that bright, kinda spoiled by his powers. If you ever notice, the first half of every Superman fight is him getting his ass kicked pretty thoroughly, and only after he's been smacked long and hard enough does he do some critical thinking and figure out how to overcome the villain. Batman has to get the drop on his adversaries because he wouldn't survive an ass-kicking that Superman could withstand. He has to do his thinking before the fight. And obviously Batman's the cynic while Superman's the optimist. These two might work together when it comes to some higher goal like saving the world, but as far as personality goes, they wouldn't really get along. It doesn't even have to be an excessively "Dark Knight Returns" interpretation of the characters, with the terrorist Batman vs. government stooge Superman, I think there'd be plenty of potential for a conflict between these two, especially when it came to their methods. IMO, the relationship was portrayed perfectly in the animated WB World's Finest cartoon.
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Supes does kind of tend to get his ass handed to him for while there before making a decent counter. It's a bit slow of him, but he went to school in the midwest, where they aren't really known for their SAT scores.
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Please, there's no reason to rush this. It should be an animated mocap film anyways.
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State of the art MoCap that blows Beowulf into the realm of 2-D.
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Thank you IESB!
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1- More action. Nobody wants to see an all-powerful alien mope for too long. A little moping is ok (I mean, he's the last of his kind so that's gotta suck), but for God sakes more flying! Fast flying! weaving in and out of buildings and canyons! Flying!
2- Powerful villains. Dangerous villains. Lex = Evil Megalomaniac. Brainiac = Unfeeling Supercomputer. Darkseid = Tyrannical Warlord.
3- More Clark. How does he maintain his identity? Does he get nervous about being caught? Do people like him or think he's a freakin weirdo? Answers!
4- Something has to be done with the Kid. Kill him? Leave Ma Kent to raise him in hiding? Kidnapped by the bad guys? Is he getting more powerful or was that just a fluke?
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I wish the writers of Superman would show the difficulty in having Superman's powers. Sure, he's fast, but he'd have to fly at the speed of light to stop every bad deed on ther planet. He's gotta miss one every now and then. How does he deal with that? What's it like to stop an out of control train in Germany, then fly at the speed of sound to put out a fire in Brazil? I'd like to see that tackled in the sequel.
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outside the Fortress of....and then Supermans Bodyguards!They should make a documentary about that whole Smith/Peters/WB/Burton/Cage thing!That would be good!They could call it:"The true story of a HERO without a CAPE!"
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I was just watching that. "Brainiac should fight some fuckin' polar bears!"
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"2. I don't want to see him fly. 3. He needs to fight a giant spider in the third act."
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Smith knows how to tell a story!
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"Yes! Did he tell you about the spider? 'Every day with the fucking spider.'"
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I hate that shit. If you have to animate something like JLA, use that Waking-Life style of rotoscope, which would be perfect for a comic book adaptation (and probably much cheaper), but if I have to hear any more people pimping that soulless CGI mannequin horse shit as the future of filmmaking, I'm going to staple ping pong balls to their faces.
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I just don't see the fucking point. "Look, we can make photorealistic CGI replicas of Anthony Hopkins and Angelina Jolie with creepy dead eyes! And we spent millions of dollars on it!"
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You want to see art? Watch fucking PINOCCHIO. All that shit you see? Drawn by hand. By artists. Not programmed by some lard ass in a dimly lit cubicle (no offense to the animators. I know you've got skinny Asian dudes too). "I wrote a program to animate water. It's really hard to get right!" Look at that scene in PINOCCHIO where they're trying to escape from Monstro. People had to fucking paint all that water. Shove your computer program up your ass!
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I stumbled on this... If you are in anyway a Iron Man or even a Marvel Universe Fan, you owe it to yourself to watch/download/pass a long this video. After you watch it you'll wonder what this guy could do with a real studio budget! Have fun!
David Gulvant... You are 'Da Man'!!!
Invincible Iron Man (independent Short Film Project)
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THE INVINCIBLE IRON MAN SHORT FILM PROJECT
When billionaire industrialist Tony Stark dons his sophisticated steel mesh armor of his own design, he becomes a living high-tech weapon, the world's greatest human fighting machine : THE INVINCIBLE IRON MAN.
2D animated, fast paced action, enormous fun from director David Guivant, and a must-see for all MARVEL COMICS' die hard fans.
Download it here:
THE INVINCIBLE IRON MAN TV SHOW
http://outremonde.fr/modules/downloa...nt_ironman.mov
Page were it can be found:
http://www.movieweb.com/forums/showthread.php?p=214703
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Yes, definitely.. as I said I'm previous post, a Green Lantern movie, if made properly, could easily be a success as so many other super hero flicks. I was just arguing with Messi's statement, that pointed GL as a gotta-be-filmed popular hero with the masses.
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"What the fuck is Krypton?"
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"Cuz we're from the streets."
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"Krypton his home planet?"
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http://tinyurl.com/olefn
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"Warner pulls plug on 'Justice League'
Warner Bros. has let the options lapse on the young cast that director George Miller chose to play DC superhero staples. Castmembers were informed late Tuesday that their options would not be exercised, but they were also told that the studio is determined to make the film, with them in it." -
You don't have a clue regarding Superman's true character. So try not to malign his character by pretending that you do. Thank you.
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...considering you're such a fan of the most noble superhero ever, you would think some of his decency and manners would make an impression on you. Try to pay close attention.
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that's what makes DC what it is. different universes with the same characters (most of the time) in them doing different things. that and the fact that DC uses legacies (different people under the same guise), such as flash, GL, too an extent batman (robin). i dont mind this being set in a different universe, and no one else should either. i think the point can be made to the casual dumb american audience that this is what DC is about. different universes. as for different actors playing the heroes, is it not the same when a comic gets a new artist, who draws a character differently? i mean you know it's the same character, even though it's a different artist. same as actor/actress. but that's only if they decide to put JLA, Nolan's batman, and Singer's Superman(which they shouldn't because that was teh suck) in the same universe. as for oc JLA? im with you all on that. i believe the JLA should be established heroes. heroes that can and already have proved theirselves. and george miller? never seen a mad max movie to begin with. only seen babe and happy feet. im not sure this is his type of movie, unless he's like sir ridley who can do any genre, but ill hold judgement, should he decide to stay. and i dont think they should be making batman show his paranoia in this first movie. save that for another film. that's a brilliant story arc that shouldn't be used until he's been establishe with the JLA for awhile.
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