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NBC’s GOLDEN GLOBE Night Tanks!! TERMINATOR Makes Biggest Debut Of Season!!

I am – Hercules!! Has America suddenly stopped caring what Munawar Hosain of Action Press, Ahmed Lateef of BR International, Yenny Nun Katz of Cosas Magazine, Ray Acro of Curentul, Elisa Leonelli of Gioia, Glenda Stewart of Hot Spots Magazine, Elmar Biebl of International Media Agency, Yani Begakis of Lady International, Ika Panajotovic of Novosti, Gloria Geale of PWA International, Noel deSouza of Dolphin Press and Karen Martin of Rex Features choose as best movies and movie peformances of the year? The ratings for last night’s “Golden Globes” special on NBC, which unveiled the picks of these people, were “rock-bottom,” according to TV Week. One might be led to believe that people tune in to the “Golden Globes Awards” more to stare at movie stars (all of whom steered clear of the Globes this year) than learn what the “journalists” comprising the Hollywood Foreign Press Association (HFPA) think of the prior year’s crop of movie and TV shows. If it makes the HFPA feel any better, the American viewing audience probably wouldn’t watch even if the so-called “foreign press” of the Hollywood Foreign Press Association represented bigger and perhaps more respected foreign outlets Times of London, Der Spiegel, Le Monde, The Times of India, the BBC, the China Times, Yomiuri Shimbun or the Sydney Morning Herald. With no celebs bigger than Mary Hart on the “Globes” telecast, competition flourished, and how. Fox’s “Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles” apparently scored the highest-rated scripted broadcast debut in three years and the season's biggest debut in any format, besting even the muscular launch of “American Gladiators” earlier this month. CBS’ “Comanche Moon” premiere racked up the largest audience for any movie on any network in more than two years, according to TV Week. Find the numbers and read all of TV Week’s story on the matter here.

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  • Jan. 14, 2008, 6:18 p.m. CST


    by Pennsy

    Yeah, old-school; I got nothing to say about the Globes this year.

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Terminator was just OK

    by quadrupletree

    I think they could have fixed 50% of the problems with just 30 sec of expository dialog. Something like an explanation of who sent Cameron?? Anybody mildly familiar with the Terminator backstory, like myself, was sitting there saying "what the fuck is going on?" I can't imagine what anyone not familiar with the T franchise was thinking. I'll tune in tonight too and give them a second chance to get it right. After that....

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Can it keep that pace?

    by Gorrister

    I seem to recall Bionic Woman brought in decent numbers in the beginning as well. And then there was the highly hyped and acclaimed "Commander in Chief" show that had huge ratings in the beginning and then sank lower than current Presidential/Congressional approval numbers. I never get too excited over the numbers for a pilot episode. Many times, it just means that a lot of people were willing to give it a chance. It doesn't mean the audience liked what they saw.

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 6:33 p.m. CST

    I'd Like to Think...

    by FreeKill

    I'd like to think that the terrible ratings of the Golden Globes were due to the fact that people are waking up to how terrible these award shows are and stopped giving Hollywood an excuse to blow itself. Unfortunately, I think the lack of ratings in this case is directly attributable to the lack of star power and the fairly terrible formatting they came up with instead...

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Maybe viewers are showing support to the writers.

    by lutz


  • Jan. 14, 2008, 6:49 p.m. CST

    terminator wont last and it was mediocre

    by palewook

    but it was better than heroes season 2, bionic woman, or flash gordon. so you might say, its the better than most american sci-fi at the moment.

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Football bloat, but I hope the show lasts

    by TallBoy66

    Me likey Terminator, even if the pilot felt like a watered down low budget remake of Terminator 2.

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Yay for Terminator

    by polyh3dron

    It kicked ass and shows very good potential. I think now it's safe from being cancelled even by fox.

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 7 p.m. CST

    Better than T3

    by njheathen

    It wasn't nearly as inspid or vapid as T3 was. I'm looking forward to seeing more. I do wish they'd use some of the quintessential Terminator music, from either the first or second movies. But for a first outing, I wasn't disappointed.

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Needs to get good quickly

    by Badger23

    Did anyone notice that Cameron's vision/HUD was done in shades of blue while the other Terminator's was in red? Was that to remind us of who was good and who was bad? Lame.

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 7:13 p.m. CST

    It was better than that Bionic Woman crap

    by skywalkerfamily

    The show where Katee Sackhoff almost killed it.

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Termie wasn't too bad

    by Bedlamite

    Hey, it's the best damn thing I've seen this month (with the exception of Revamped Dr. Who Season 3...BLINK KICKS ASS!) It had action, it had characters, it had action, it has Summer Glau, it had action, it had chases, it had action, it had explosion, it had action. The damn thing was a bit of mindless fun. I for one enjoyed it, and I've only seen Termi 1 & 2 once, years ago. I've never seen 3. I was wondering why the hell the Termie was ripping his leg apart, that was pretty cool.

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 7:24 p.m. CST

    by Zip Chickenhead

    Nice call FreeKill!! I hate these fuckin award shows. the douchebags make millions then want to be publicly rewarded for it to feed their ego even more. I hope the Oscars and Emmy's get canceled too. And Lutz it's not support for the writers, the general public doesn't give a rats shit about their little civil war.

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Golden Globes are worthless

    by BrowncoatJedi

    Who gives a crap what a small group of foreign journalists gives awards to?! I don't know why anyone cares about them, besides the possibility of a Scarlett Johannson nip slip on the red carpet.

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 7:26 p.m. CST

    this reminded me of hte coyote and the roadrunner...

    by seekshelter

    i can't imagine them stretching this out for a season..... they may as well give him some rocket powered roller skates or an oversized missle...or poison robot oil..

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 7:29 p.m. CST

    oh wait...

    by seekshelter

    they gave her the oversized acme gun... did anyone else think that shot she fired was kinda lame for the buildup ??

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Nothing else on

    by Dazzler69

    So I will watch. They could really make the show grow if they do this right. It's got the right mood so far.

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Why anyone looks to the Golden Globes...

    by Executor

    ...for merit is beyond me. It's constantly a celebrity fuck. <p>Atonement, best picture. It's this sort of hype that got the Shakespeare in Love train rolling.

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 8:04 p.m. CST

    the ratings

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    it followed dallas vs new york which scored a huge 22 rating. It held onto about half that audience. Not completely terrible, but not great either. If logic follows and it holds half of it's prison break lead in it will have a 3 share... just a thought

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Cum with Summer Glau if you want to live.

    by Christopher3

    Giggity giggity goo!

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Terminated. Her days are numbered.

    by V'Shael

    You know it. I know it.

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Time travel

    by njheathen

    I hope they'll do some more "fish out of water" moments; the differences between the technology of the two times (I though the cell phone was a particularly missed moment, as was a line about the post-911 era making fake ID's much harder to find) would give a chance for some much-needed light moments. "Please remain calm" while she was sticking through the windshield was a nice touch, though.

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Cum with me if you want to live

    by DynamixRo

    Obvious double inuendo.

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 8:23 p.m. CST

    "Whatever it is, it's Winnie"

    by tonagan

    The Pooh.

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 8:26 p.m. CST

    I liked it (Terminator)

    by xsi kal

    Looking forward to seeing where it goes. Then again, I'm not a Terminator purist (whatever that is), and am just appreciating that the show gives us some attractive women, scifi concepts, and plenty of action.

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Are those the _only_ people that vote?

    by punto

    or just a few "sample" names? I thought it was like hundreds of people who voted..

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Of course the GG's tanked, it was up

    by Orbots Commander

    against a damn good football game. BTW, I'm happy the Giants won, but they aren't beating Green Bay.

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 9:02 p.m. CST

    I wanted to see Summer Glau's Golden Globes!

    by MrMysteryGuest

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Oz *spoilers*

    by Alientoast

    I am calling this now: The dude from Oz's wife will be a Terminator. Btw, 2nd episode was pretty cool. The rotting head disguise was pretty badass ;)

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 9:20 p.m. CST

    I just want to hear her say...

    by RogueWarrior65

    I swallowed a bug.

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 9:25 p.m. CST


    by beetlegeuse

    Please end the strike

  • These HFPA Clowns don't have a clue- yet when the oscars are announced, they usually fall in line with the globes.... so what does that say about the Oscars?

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Terminator: TSCC

    by wackybantha

    This may get boring real fast especially since it's a prequel with not much new stuff to share. At least not of anything interesting anyway. I know many have already said it but this series does seem like a really long bad version of T2. The only thinh that may help sustain my interest down the line is if they have one main bad termintor played by Robert Patrick. At the very least have one T-1000 on the damn show!!! Sheesh!!!

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 10:10 p.m. CST

    "Mediocre" and "OK"

    by slone13

    <p>In a world with no new television, "mediore" and "ok" are king.</p> <p>The Terminator is dead, long live the Terminator.</p>

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 10:29 p.m. CST

    golden globes are dead

    by mthrndr

    I think this effectively has killed this worthless award in the public mind. It would take a lot more to kill the Oscars though. <br><br> As for the Terminator, I have some questions. 1) Why isn't skynet just sending back more t-1000s? 2) The cops just dumped the metal skeleton from the bank in the dump, intact? no secret research agency coming to claim it? Where is the Prison Break - like conspiracy to gather all technology associated with skynet? 3) I think they will be rolling out the clues, VERY slowly, as to why Summer Glau is 'different'. My guess is that she is 'fully functional', a pleasure model meant to seduce humans, and somehow she has learned to love humans. She joined the resistance of her own free will. That's why the Terminator in 2007 scanned her as a 'cyborg of unknown origin.' she and john will get it on at some point.

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 10:32 p.m. CST


    by notorius_j.c.b.

    Please tell me that someone noticed the "leet" on the glass door of the Dell store John exits while he's walking around the mall?

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Ahh shit, Terminator was a hit...

    by Alonzo Mosely

    Expect every well known film from the 80s and 90s to be raped for material to create second-rate serial TV with good looking teens and shitty dialogue...

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 10:45 p.m. CST

    If Skynet & Cyberdyne are so smart...

    by Cheif Brody

    Why not send a Terminator back in time to where sarah Connor is 6 years old...walk up to her on a swing set and put a bullet in her head. Or...Go back even further and kill her mom....and her grandmother for that matter? <P> I mean...are they not learning ANYTHING from their past mistakes? The "machines" are morons!

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 10:59 p.m. CST

    You mean entertainment reporters reading awards tanked?

    by Bobo_Vision

    Does this mean they may not go ahead with the upcoming series where Mary Hart reads the scripts to "Lost" and "Heroes" with Pat O'Brien while standing in front of a podium?

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 11:20 p.m. CST

    I don't get it!

    by Orionsangels

    The Terminator tween is horrible! bad acting, stupid voice. Yet everyone embraces this series?

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 11:45 p.m. CST

    best line tonight

    by radjac33

    Oh Chet!

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 11:51 p.m. CST

    loved it

    by slkboxrman

    the 2nd episode was better than the first.....and i love how some of the haters are rationalizing the high ratings... it blew everything away...i also shy away from the whole "prequel" far as i understand it theyre reinventing some of it....just as the new trilogy of movies says theyre going to do.....besides theyre already establishing that lots of people and machines from the future have come back so things are changing all the time...i know some will be stuck on the whole "well this has to happen so this can happen in terminator 3" theyve already messed up the timeline in terminator 3, firstly with sarah jumping past her own death, and now she has advanced warning or her cancer which she wont die of for another 6 yrs if im counting right, and we see her gettin a CAT scan...something im sure she didnt do in the original timeline till it was too the timeline is already changed...also cameron and the other terminator seem to be more advanced than arnold in their sturdyness, they can get hit by cars and still get up and walk how the head called the body to come find it...that was my only prob with the episode...i know the head went thru the time bubble with sarah and john and cameron, but how did the body wind up in the dump....i expected it to be with that FBI guy, unless the whole body went thru also.

  • Jan. 14, 2008, 11:51 p.m. CST

    Last Night's Ratings Can only mean ONE thing...

    by TinkerTIW

    "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" (lame as it was) and "Comanche Moon" scored big with viewers? Hmm... What could they possibly have in common? Oh yeah -SCRIPTS!!! Could it be the public doesn't want to be forcefed reality garbage 2 or 3 hours every night of the week? Congrats to Zucker and his fellow moguls... So what if you're screwing your audience? So what if you're chasing them off? You're teaching the writers a lesson and saving precious pennies on all those DVDs and new media! Why negotiate? Screw your customers!

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 12:19 a.m. CST

    bastard from a basket

    by krycek08

    thats all you are

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 12:19 a.m. CST

    by 1895DCSkate

    Terminator Rocks!!! mthrndr) answer your questions. How do you know they haven't already and failed. You don't. Won't make for a interesting show.

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 12:52 a.m. CST

    It lost...

    by Tourist

    ...Because the slovenly masses only watch awards show, and movies in general if their are animated things with big eyes or a celeb parade.

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 12:58 a.m. CST

    I hope Terminator buries Heroes...

    by Kasch

    What I love about this show is that it conforms to that Joss Whedon style of long-form story-telling. Namely, that doing outlandish things - like traveling ten years into the future - carries serious consequences and forever changes the characters. It's the exact opposite of crap like Heroes where they just pull fantastic things out of their assholes until there's no stakes in anything anymore.

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 12:59 a.m. CST

    Yeah, they really love scripted shows...

    by Tourist

    ...Yet they would have happily changed the channel to look at Actress A in Dress B the first chance they got. They won because the Globes were cancelled, and there was nothing better to watch, and "reading is for fags".

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 1:26 a.m. CST

    Yeah, it had some problems

    by ewokstew

    But I venture that with Terminator 1 and 2 in our heads that's the bar by which many of us can't help but measure it against. At least for me it was virtually impossible not to. That being said, I tried, instead, to compare it to the other recent genre network offerings of late and it seemed to be not so bad. Many things to fix, here but it's pretty watchable.

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 1:50 a.m. CST

    Sonya Walger

    by AlwaysThere

    Penny Widmore sure knows how to get on ever TV imaginable.

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 2:33 a.m. CST

    Dammit, I missed the 2nd episode!!

    by Mike_D

    Anything important? Whens the rerun?

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 2:40 a.m. CST

    This is better than T2

    by Musicballs

    My biggest problem with T2 was that Arnold was a pussy even before John Connor taught him how to be one. In the first Terminator, Arnold puts his fucking arm through that punk at the beginning. In the second movie, he very carefully maims the bikers in the bar and the violence is played for humor (like the asshole screaming "Aaah! Pull it out! Pull it out!" after Arnold stabs him in the shoulder, instead of in the head). Doesn't kill a single one of them even when they attack him, which is more than the punks in the first film did. Cameron was very deliberate in not having him kill anyone in T2. Tonight, the female terminator (the "good" Terminator) actually killed a defenseless guy. For that reason alone, this show is better than T2.

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 2:46 a.m. CST

    Oh, nevermind, FOX.COM has the episodes streaming!

    by Mike_D


  • Jan. 15, 2008, 4:27 a.m. CST

    They can't send the terminators further back.

    by lutz

    Because they wouldn't know who to program them to destroy. They set out in the first movie that history has been destroyed and is very sketchy. The only name that they knew about was Sarah Conner so they can't go back and kill her parents or her as a child because they wouldn't know when, where or who. Sarah is as far back as they could trace it and that is why she is targeted before John Conner.

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 5:34 a.m. CST

    What I dont understand about the Terminators-

    by Mike_D

    Is that it was established in T3 that the future can't be changed and that everything is inevitable. If that were true, why are the machines sent back in time to kill Sara and then John? Dont they know that no matter what happens, they will lose the war eventually?

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 6:16 a.m. CST

    Episode 2 was even better!

    by jojo-pimp

    So far, i am digging this show...its pretty badass, love the actors they got, the action is on par with other FOX shows such as 24 and Prison break.

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 6:52 a.m. CST

    Terminator: TSCC Is Better Than I Thought


    Summer Glau so far is the best Terminator, which isn't saying much. These guys need to study Robert Patrick and Arnold's performances. All the Terminators so far are hamming it up--the one that's just a metal skeleton will probably be the best. Lena Heady does not convince as Sarah Connor, but Thomas Dekker is a spot-on John Connor. While it was stupid to go look up the old boyfriend, the fact that John could easily kick this big dudes ass was a nice touch. WHo knows how much combat training John has had . . .

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 6:57 a.m. CST

    Expository Dialog: Clearing Things Up


    They limit that in series television, so not everything is spelled out at once, if at all. That's part of the format. This isn't a made-for-TV movie, this is a series. They aren't going to explain Glau's feminator or the whole thing right off the bat . . . but one can guess John Connor of the future probably wasted a lot of rebel resources getting a time machine in the bank, so he could bring Sarah Connor to 2007 where the most recent cancer treatments cure her cancer . . . and so on. <br><br>The goal of the writers and producers is to launch a profitable television series, not explain everything for T2 fanboys in the first show.

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 7:03 a.m. CST

    While Terminator: TSCC Benefits from Strike


    And the lack of scripted television, it didn't benefit from the lack of a full-on Golden Globes. I'd watch the Terminator: TSCC over any awards show. I'd watch re-runs of Enterprise over any award shows. Or my Twilight Zone DVD collection . . . no Golden Globes maybe added three people to the numbers for Terminator: TSCC.<br><br>It's not bad, but I don't know how long it is sustainable. There will be a long delay in new episodes after all the existing scripts are filmed; what then? Reruns for a while, but interest will wan until new shows can be produced, at which time it may hard to recall the moment TSCC is enjoying now, being a decent scripted show in a sea of reruns and reality shows. <br><br>I tend to think lots of shows that were doing well before the strike will have a hard time finding their old audience once new shows actually start coming out. Though TSCC benefits now from the strike, it's going to have the same problem, especially if 2nd season episodes come out the same time all the other "in hiatus" series return.

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 7:15 a.m. CST

    Terminator in a scrap heap

    by sith_rising

    I was with them until the endoskeleton popped out of the garbage. I mean, it's been lying in junk for half almost a decade? Cops find a headless super-advanced robot skeleton blasted by an energy weapon in a bank vault, and they drop it in the trash? Seemed like a pretty contrived way to get yet another Terminator in the 2007 timeline. And they should have stuck with the motorcycle helmet for cover. It's not as suspicious looking as a bum who looks like he's an agent for Cobra or something.

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 9:02 a.m. CST

    So lemme get this right...

    by Abominable Snowcone

    In 2007, there are now two evil terminators, right? The one that's been reduced to an exoskeleton and now wears a Cobra mask, and the other one--the bald guy--who was apparently already in 2007 when the heroes arrived, and who killed the resistance fighters? Yes? Was anyone else turned on when Cameron mimicked the hispanic girl and leaned against that truck? Or when Sarah slapped Cameron for shooting Enrique? <p> Seriously though, yeah I also had a problem with the headless exoskeleton suddenly popping up in a trash pile. I wonder where they're gonna go with that character (the first bad terminator in the series) since there's already another bad terminator (the bald guy) to chase the heroes in 2007? Plus, Cameron is already taking a shitload of abuse. She's been shot, dropped out of a third story window, and hit by a car and slammed through a windshield. Her skin / face should be showing a lot more physical damage. However, I did like when Cameron "analyzed" John for stress when she touched his neck. Clearly, he thought there was something more to it than that, and I'm guessing he'll start acting on his feelings. Given that Cam is just a robot, and he can tell her what to do, he'll tag that sweet caboose in no time.

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 9:24 a.m. CST

    So what the hell is Cameron (apart from hot)?

    by SpyGuy

    According to Bad Terminator's display last night, she registered as "unknown cyborg" or something along those lines. So is she an actual human/Terminator hybrid cyborg, a human brain downloaded into a Terminator body or is she just a really advanced Terminator model? <p>And I'm really wondering about how they're going to resolve Cameron's physical damage, because compact makeup is only going to go so far after a few more times being plowed through windshields and walls.</p>

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Cameron is a stone-cold killer. Yeah, baby!

    by kabong

    Summer Glau is hot. Yeah, baby! <p> Not sure what she's got, but she's got it!

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Was it unusual...

    by Abominable Snowcone

    ...for Cameron to chase after that bald terminator? I thought the first order of business was to protect John. But after Bald Guy "evaluates" the situation and decides to "evade," he runs outta the building. Threat gone for now, Cameron decides to pursue. I don't ever recall that in Terminator canon. Just bad terminators chasing good ones (only because the human target is with 'em), not the other way around.

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 10:22 a.m. CST

    How many episodes until...

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Cameron and Sarah kiss, then make love?

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Re: Musicballs

    by JackSack

    Agreed! I found the show to be passable up until Cameron put a few rounds in that informant's chest. That moment peeked my interest in the series, substantially. One thing that always bothered me in T2 was the pussification of the Arnold Terminator. Nice to see that the "good" terminator has no problems disposing of human life in the series and there's nothing John or Sara can do about it.

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 10:58 a.m. CST


    by hungrysamurai

    I'm calling it right now. The last resistance fighter, the one who saw Cameron, Sarah, and John flee the hideout, will be Reese. I'm not saying it makes a lot of sense, but with A) the loose time-travel rules that always have been in the Terminator and B) how many times they've referred to Reese ("My dad's always dead"; "I recognize that. Reese had one of those on his arm"), they're building to a big reveal.

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 11:05 a.m. CST


    by Abominable Snowcone

    That might be cool, but while they've cast other actors as Mrs. and Mrs. Dyson and Enrique, I cannot accept anyone other than Michael Beihn as Reese. Plus, it bends the rules of time travel even more than the series already has. If it were Reese, that would be tantamount to saying, anybody from the future can travel back in time as many times as they like, and it doesn't matter if they live or die in their respected destination timelines. I guess what I'm saying is, it really stretches the "alternate timeline" thing.

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 11:16 a.m. CST

    My guess is River was future John's GF..

    by Billyeveryteen

    And is pulling a Kyle Reese to save her lover.

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Terminator in the Junk Heap


    I mean, come on. They are machines. The ion gun that blasted it apart should have been sufficient to destroy it. Why not just have another exoskeleton terminator activated after hibernation from some unmarked grave--some skeleton terminator that was sent back in time to 1960 to prevent the time-machine-in-a-bank and didn't, then started it's backup mission--hibernate until 1999 or 2007. In the meantime, the machine future is suffering from constantly mucking up the timeline, and good Terminators (ala Summer Glau) are being sent back in time by Supreme Ruler John Connor, who controls the utopian future (and has made billions by selling Summer Glau pleasure-bots), in order to help "weed out" the bad terminators, and fight the numerous last ditch "sleepers" sent from the evil machine future to try and preserve their timeline.<br><br>Certainly, given the mucking up of timelines so far, the evil terminators and Summer Glau could have been sent into the past from different futures. That would necessarily be possible, presuming the future can be affected by what robots or people, sent back from the future, do in the present (or the past, depending on how you view it). The first Terminator movie tended to imply that the future was fixed--Reese sired John, Sarah learned to fight (in outtakes, and the novelization, Cyberdyne gets their Terminator technology from the original destroyed terminator). But Terminator 2 suggested that the future could be changed (and there was the alternate ending, with a grandmother Sarah and John Connor as a senator in the new future). And even T3 suggests that the inevitable war of machines and humans was at least delayable. For that to be true, people or robots sent from an alternate future would have to be preserved in the past, even after changing their own futures, so you would have to be able to have Terminators (and people) from different iterations of the future. It's possible that terminators, Reeses, John and even Sarah Connors could come to the past from alternate futures. Man, this is making my head hurt.

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Summer Glau is a Rebel Robot


    No indication she was a reprogrammed Terminator produced by the machines (unless I missed it). Meaning the rebels in the new future, affected by delaying the war and maybe now by saving Sarah Connor, may have their own factories, producing their own Terminators or soldier-machines to battle the anti-human machines, and sufficient technology to send the machines (and perhaps people) back through time, and may have--who knows who else is back in the past, now? So, natch, John has Connor, Co. build a super-hot fembot to send back to keep his hormonal teenage self company.

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 11:35 a.m. CST

    I hope that like The Empire Strikes Back ...

    by Shan

    ... they at least let Skynet have a few substantial victories along the way if it's not going to win the war in the end ...

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 11:43 a.m. CST


    by Abominable Snowcone

    I agree with your point about the "why bother" with having the exoskeleton sit around for years in a junk pile? First off, it's a stretch to believe that in 8 years, it was not crushed in a compactor, or that NOBODY noticed it. You said, why not just send another terminator? Right--and they DID--the bald guy who was lying on the floor pretending to be one of the dead resistance fighters. Which leads me to think they have something else in mind for the first one (Mr. Headless Exoskeleton), who was apparently able to navigate his way from the junkyard to wherever his head was. How he accomplished that, killing "Chet" in the process, without sight simulators (eyes), I don't know. That's inexplicable.<p>And if I were John, I'd have yelled at my mom for hurling my sex bot out the window.

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Abominable Snowcone


    Yeah, I agree on all points. The Terminator in the junkyard didn't work on any level--the ion gun should have been able to terminate a terminator. Separating the skull from the body should pretty much be the end of it--machines can just make more, and lots of 'em, and could have had a more practical outcome--head separates from body, overheat the fuel cell and blow up. Would have helped explained why nothing more was made of the bank with a time machine in the vault.

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 11:50 a.m. CST

    I Wonder What the Fembot Weighs


    Surely something made of super-strong metal with lots of hydraulics would make something the size of Summer Glau weigh like 400 lbs. Should've split that car in half when she fell on it.

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 11:51 a.m. CST

    The Future Savior of Mankind


    Is crushed to death when he tells Summer Glau to "get on top". The nefarious plot of the machines finally comes to fruition.

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 11:55 a.m. CST

    They have already shit on the continuity

    by Wheel99

    of the franchise. In T3 John Connor says that Sarah Connor dies of cancer and had to fight to stay alive until she made sure that Judgement Day passed. That would have made her death August or September 1997. In the show last night the teenybop Terminator said that they needed to come to 2007 because Sarah dies of Cancer in 2005...... Way to study the source materials there writers.

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Whe, except that..

    by Cartagia

    the producers have said T3 has no place in the shows continuity.

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Kevinwillis and wheel99

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Yeah, in T3 they pinpointed Sarah's death as being in 1997, specifically from leukemia. John said she fought long enough to make sure judgment day didn't happen, and then another six months. On the TV show, I believe Cameron said Sarah died (or would have died) in 2005 from cancer (type not specified). So I did not equate that with the terminal illness she would have succumbed to in the movies. <p> That said, you'll recall at the end of last night's episode, she was getting some kinda blood test, presumably as part of her 'new identity.' But if she was gonna die from cancer in 2005 anyway, time-jumping to 2007 isn't gonna change your biochemistry in any way to rid yourself of whatever's gonna happen. What I'm saying is, if she was gonna get cancer, she should still expect to get it, AND be dead, by 2015.<p> I also thought about Cameron's weight, not when she fell on the car, but when she leapt onto the pickup truck at John's school. I thought, "Whoa, she ought to weight at least 300 pounds, if not more" and leaping onto the truck should have made it buckle or swerve for a second, which it didn't. So you're both right, I think. They do a good job of accounting for terminator weight during fight scenes, what with walls being smashed and bricks being demolished. Yet if she's not fighting, it's as if Cameron is just a normal petite human girl. Hey, do you suppose her carpet is shorn?

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 12:57 p.m. CST

    I meant to say 2013

    by Abominable Snowcone

    That's how long Sarah has before cancer kills her anyway. Regardless of where or 'when' she travels in time, she's got six years from 'now.' Because if she started in 1999 and was gonna die in 2005, jumping to 2007 changes nothing but the year on the calendar, not death clock in her body chemistry.

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 1:50 p.m. CST

    New Cancer Treatments Come Online All The Time


    I think the idea is: "Boy, you sure are lucky. This new treatment just got okayed by the FDA."

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 2:02 p.m. CST

    what's penny widmore's job?

    by Holodigm

    to appear on photographs in every show ever?

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 2:17 p.m. CST

    First of all...

    by Karuma's like I posted before...Big numbers, big hit for Fox. "Save John Connor, Save the World". And it was very well made. There will be nitpicking from those who either won't give it a chance or are so hung up on continuity and canon that they can't see past their own prejudice. This show is a good serious reboot, well made and interesting. It's what the Bionic Woman wanted to be but fell far short of.

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 2:24 p.m. CST

    If I Were a Teenage John Connor

    by Abominable Snowcone

    I would insist that Cameron take showers with me, you know, because I would insist that my hot female robot protector be clean and well-scrubbed at all times. I would shampoo her and clean under her nails. She in turn would buff my cockenballs. After all, she's a robot--an appliance. The fact that she looks like a hot chick and is learning more and more to act like one is just frosting. Hell, you could even program her to say random dirty stuff like, "I want you in me" or "tonight I want it in the ass."

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Like what I'm seeing so far.

    by drewlicious

    So far this is much better than I expected. My only real grip is how the terminator ended up in the dump in the first place. Was the bank just leveled during the time travel and the body just got scooped up in some debris and shipped to the dump or what? Or did the body just get launched like a rocket when they landed in 2007? Still, the plot could be interesting. I like Lena Headly as Sarah Connor and they way she is just reacting to everything is very encouraging. How would you react if you found out you were going to be dead in 5 or six years? Also, in this day and age Sarah Conner is a prime candidate for the FBI's most wanted list. To the government she is a terrorist so tha just means more people chasing after her. Also nice to see that terminators are still as unstoppable as ever and just dispensable. Remember the super-vampires in Buffy and how they suddenly became very weak when their numbers increase?

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Ratings terminated

    by critch

    Ratings dove to less than half, 6.2/9 now for it on Monday. Middle of the road ratings now, probably sinking as it goes on. And the curse of Fox and Firefly goes on...

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 3:20 p.m. CST

    More than 2 bad terminators... more like 100's

    by hansello

    Loved the 2nd episode, worth the wait from the pilot. Great premise and it looks like some great arcs are being set up. Loved the switch-around with the typical Teminator 'wall scrap' turning into the bad terminator running away (Evade to evaluate) Also liked the Careon exucution at the end of EP.2 Finally, a Terminator actually acting like a Terminator. <P> As for there being just 2 bad Terminators in the show (Exo-skelton and bald guy) I took it that there were loads more. When Sarah and Cameron get back to the house after the fight with bald guy, Cameron explains about the resistance fighters and terminators sent back into history and that they have their own missions that don't invole John. John says he's happy because he could walk past them in the street and they wouldn't notice him but then Sarah reminds him that once they know who he is, then he will become their mission. Therefore, more than just the 2 to contend with. Should make for a great show. <P> Finally, please end the writers strike, even with the few episodes of this, Prison Break, Lost and Jericho, things are going to get very boring around March time when everything has been shown.

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 3:22 p.m. CST

    T:TSCC improves on PRISON BREAK lead-in ratings

    by SpyGuy

    According to today's VARIETY: <p>"Over at Fox, the return of "Prison Break" (3.3/8 in 18-49, 7.9 million viewers overall) ran second in the 8 o'clock hour, while "Sarah Connor Chronicles" (4.2/10 in 18-49, 10.1 million viewers overall) improved on its lead-in and also was the runner-up in its time period. Though not near the stratospheric ratings levels of its special football-fueled preview episode of Sunday night, "Sarah" gave Fox its best series showing in the 9 o'clock hour this season."</p>

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Abominable Snowcone, that's the difference

    by kabong

    between you and John Connor. He wants to save the world, not just exploit a hottie cyborg. That's why you're not likely to be a Human Resistance Leader, my friend. <p> In case this Talkback is read by super-beings in the future: send me a pleasure-bot by time machine. <p> With what's happened in Ep2, the *future* from which Cameron was sent by JC may already have been changed. Anything can happen *now*. <p> Don't forget the pleasure-bot. Send one to Abominable Snowcone too.

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Hell with the Globe/Terminator talkback

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    Get back to Herc's so we can all be on the same page at once.

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Did you Catch that???

    by Mindchaotica

    So I was watching the 2nd awesome episode of T:SCC and I watched as they brilliantly at least to a point the gap of the T2 movies with the T3 movie. I think they did a great Job of reconciling the 2 movies, and explaining the discrepancy that was just kinda sitting there. So I am really liking the show, and think It will hopefully have a nice long run. Have a Nice Day! Mindchaotica

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 7:38 p.m. CST

    I'm a little unclear

    by drewlicious

    I've been told that this does take T3 into continuity and have been told that it doesn't. Does anyone have any official word on this? I say just tell a new story because knowing the end of it kind of kills the suspense.

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Another "Sleeper" Terminator

    by Alientoast

    I think the wife of the dude from Oz will end up being a Terminator (Since Skynet would technically know he had some involvement with Sarah Conner due to the news story). I also have a feeling that there will be one in the FBI, since the FBI is searching for her. Once John/Sarah are in custody, blam blam.

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 11:43 p.m. CST

    It's good to have Prison Break back

    by AlwaysThere

    Albeit for 5 or 6 episodes though.

  • Jan. 15, 2008, 11:45 p.m. CST

    drewlicious: Sarah dying is in "T3"

    by MGTHEDJ

    She died of cancer before the events of T3. See, John Conner plants the future time travel tech in the 20th Century to jump himself and his mom to 2007. If they stop SkyNet, there is no war. And maybe Sarah's cancer can be treated with a breakthough discovered in 2009 or 2010. This would then lead to the original ending of T2: John Conner is a U.S. senator and Sarah is an old woman playing with her granddaughter.-----later-----m

  • Jan. 16, 2008, 7:27 a.m. CST

    Watched Most of T3 Again Last Night


    It was better than my first experience of it, or second. The hot chick terminator was all right (and she saw everything in blue, too--apparently terminator chicks see everything in shades of blue, because they're girls) but I'm not sure I get why it was a chick. Robert Patrick back would've been better. Worst part was the T3 chick taking over cars and stuff--that was stupid, and didn't add anything. Also, Nick Stahl never quite did it for me as John Connor. This Dekker dude is a zillion times better. Sarah Connor is already dead, according to the T3 timeline--she dies in 1997. TSSC picks up in 1999, where she is still very much alive.

  • Jan. 16, 2008, 8:13 a.m. CST


    by Abominable Snowcone

    I assumed skynet sent a chick TX in T3 because a hot chick would have a better chance of infiltrating the life of an already very-guarded, off "the grid" 20-something John Connor than another muscular guy terminator. In the movie, it just happens by chance that the TX crossed paths with John while she was eliminating future resistance fighters like Kate, and "Jose Barrera." Even the TX is surprised when she samples the bloody gauze with her tongue, and practically creams her leather when she realizes the DNA belongs to her "primary target." From that point, the chase is on and there's no chance to make a smooth infiltration. Jesus, I think too much about this.<p> It is my understanding that the T3 events are ignored for this series.

  • Jan. 16, 2008, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Sarah Conner Chronicles--What Bionic Woman...

    by chromedome

    SHOULD have been!<p>If they really are reaming and retooling BW during a "hiatus" (and the thing is not just cancelled completely), they should be watching this show and taking notes.<p>That said, the classroom/substitute teacher scene was LAME. And the Humans Greatest Hope is not John Conner, but the Hope that Terminators continue to be the Worlds Worst Marksmen--those muthas just can't shoot. I John is standing Next to a barn, they will shoot the hell outta the broadside of the barn.<p>Lena is perfectly cast, Summer is a pleasure to watch, not sure about the kid yet . The FBI and former fiancee thing is interesting enough, too, to add a little twist to the proceedings.<p>The Time Leap thing was a slick trick (not so much in the show itself) to jump over the T3 stuff.<p>They allude to Cameron's "differentness" multiple times: I agree with posters above--I was thinking she must be a cloned consciousness/memories model of John's future lover. If she is carrying those memories and some "emotions" it will add complexity to her character, responses, reactions, decisions.... I like it!

  • Jan. 16, 2008, 12:45 p.m. CST


    by RaulMonkey

    I totally noticed the 1337! That was rad.

  • Jan. 16, 2008, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Rules of Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles...

    by micturatingbenjamin

    <p> 1. If there's a busy road, and a terminator must cross it, it WILL be struck by a fast moving car. <p> 2. Terminators only know the one move; grab you by the collar and shoulder and then swing you through the wall. If you can dodge this move, you're pretty much golden. <p> 3. The terminators have upgraded their eye-monitors from the 480p crappy text only interface, to a context subjective interface that allows for exposition AND will highlight plot-specific data. FOX hopes this will spur the market for the full immersion helmets they've got on back order for the next season of 'AMERICA NEEDS HELP IDENTIFYING CRUCIAL DATA'. 4. The Junkyard Terminator body is just an exoskeleton, spare parts shunted back to the past. It's not the shattered remains of the old past-terminator's body. It's easily explained. Don't bitch. 5. Terminators aren't smarter than people, or dogs. They're not smarter than cars or explosions or guns. 6. Summer Glau is 'hot', right? But she has like an infant's head. I don't get it, that's not 'hot' that's eerie.

  • Jan. 16, 2008, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Agreed Mr. Saxon. Prison Break Has Been a Blast

    by TheLastCleric

    I enjoyed season one and loved season two but I was skeptical that season 3 could deliver the goods. So far, it has more than delivered and some of the twists have been quite shocking (and gruesome) Fun stuff indeed.

  • Jan. 16, 2008, 4:46 p.m. CST


    by chromedome

    Well said!<p>I will modify my shirts to have tear-away collars--SUCK IT, Terminators. You can't shoot worth a damn, and now you can't throw me through no walls, neither<p>I would let Glau grab me by the collar, though...

  • Jan. 16, 2008, 7:12 p.m. CST


    by Sick Fixx

    THAT IS HUGE! Even if the rating goes down next week, Terminator is in no danger of being cancelled! Fox has a ratings breakthrough here. Do you understand that most shows are lucky to stay in the 4's and 5's, and Terminator garnered a 7 point interest??? I'm not even sure Buffy scored that high in its debut.

  • Jan. 16, 2008, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Terminator wasn't that good but not that bad too.

    by Violator90

    I really didn't like the Terminator chasing them. He seems small compare to the T-800 and even the T-1000. I like the fact that they're trying to pick up from T2 but it just doesn't seem like it did a good job in it. Sarah seems too "girly" in the series not like her tough-as-nails, shattered pysche Sarah in T2. If the series explains more on these new Ts and why Skynet is still around and why Ed Furlong didn't want to play John Connor, they there might be . . . a future.(I couldn't resist! :D )

  • Jan. 16, 2008, 9:31 p.m. CST


    by micturatingbenjamin

    To get myself in the mood to see this premier, I watched T2 again...and yeeesh..Linda Hamilton...Good god, she's a thin, chain smoking man-woman. Lena Heady? MMMMMMBOY! Thank GOD she already took off her gear in 300 before being a TV star. More Rules? <p> Rule 6: 'Oh, Chet' will become the next 'catch phrase' for the 2008 election. <p> Rule 7: If your name don't appear in the first three credits, your ass is Terminator Bait.<p>Rule 8: You could hit Cameron in the face with a razor sharp snow shovel, and she'd only get a nick on her cheek and a scrape on her hairline.<p>Rule 9: NEVER let a Lady Cholo paint up a Terminator! She looks like a Hussy-1000.<p>Rule 10: Skynet sent back so much shit in time, that pretty much it's systematically fucking with the past so much that now, Scientology is true. CLEAR, BITCHES! OT III all up in the hizzy, and don't you fergizzy!

  • Jan. 17, 2008, 12:40 a.m. CST

    Comanche Moon was good

    by Jaka

    Yes, I watched that instead of River Ta... I mean Terminator. That's what DVRs are for! I'll get around to both eps of Terminator soon enough. But I have clear happy time memories of Lonesome Dove from my youth. I absolutely loved it! So I was really looking forward to Comanche Moon. As I said, it's good. I don't feel the magic of Lonesome Dove yet, and I never did from the second one. But I'm holding my judgment on CM until I've seen all three parts.

  • Jan. 17, 2008, 10:17 a.m. CST

    That's Another Thing about T3: The DNA


    She can idenitfy the DNA of these people but doesn't know what they look like? I guess if they succesfully killed John Connor, they could have gotten DNA, but all of his officers and Kate Brewster? It was just an excuse to have her lick blood.

  • Jan. 17, 2008, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Look, as I see it, it's like this...

    by Sledge Hammer

    ...if you believe that the future war was inevitable then you have Terminator 3 and the upcoming movies. If you (like Cameron himself) believe that it can possibly be avoided then now you have the continuing struggle to do just that in the new series. So basically you have three choices after Terminator 2. You can take the open ended ending of that film as the end of the Terminator story, pull over and leave the franchise right there. Or you can take the left fork in the road and follow the Terminator 3 route of inevitability, and enjoy that ride if it's to your taste. Or you can take the right fork in the road and follow the new show where the struggle to avoid the war continues, and hopefully enjoy that if it's more your thing. Personally Terminator fans are spoiled for choice now, and that's a good thing in my books. Me, I'm gonna follow this new show and see where it leads, as I'm enjoying the ride so far. Will the future bring better things in the other direction? Who knows, but right now I'm having a pretty good time regardless.

  • Jan. 17, 2008, 6:57 p.m. CST

    You guys who want sex with the Terminator...

    by ZeroCorpse

    Do you realize how dangerous that sounds? Sure, she's nice to look at on the outside, but on the inside is a metal robot that has strength enough to tear you in half, and jaws that can probably bite through a steel rod. And you want to stick your oh-so-delicate equipment into those hydraulic holes? <p> Are you crazy? <p> Besides, John is sleeping with his mother. Watch their body language and communication. Think about it. He reminds her of Reese, and he's not allowed to ever have a real girlfriend. They've got to get those urges dealt with somehow, and their options are to pay for sex with prostitutes or people who won't "get involved", or turn to each other. <p> Why else do you think Sarah's so weird about him? He's not just the future leader of humanity-- He's her only sexual outlet. <p> You may now vomit.

  • Jan. 18, 2008, 2:15 a.m. CST

    Fans of the NOW comic series will be happy.

    by Glue harvest

    But fans of The Burning Earth will be disappointed. Oh look a speed racer ad! greetings!

  • Jan. 19, 2008, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Well Micturatingbenjamin Pretty Much Qwned This TB

    by skoobyx

    Well done. <P> Regarding the Terminators throwing you around... I've often noticed this strategy employed in movies when very strong characters fight with the protagonist.<p> When its a person or robot that could easily crush your head, break your neck or tear off your arms (as they often do to less fortunate characters) you'll be saved by their habit of just picking you up and throwing you to the other side of the room. This has the added advantage of giving you the chance to find a useful weapon that will destroy your opponent, or at least disable them until the next fight sequence.

  • Jan. 20, 2008, 1:11 p.m. CST

    The Terminator's bouncing Head

    by pjryan519

    Should not have been able to travel in time as it was not covered with flesh. Big continuity error.

  • Jan. 21, 2008, 1:27 a.m. CST

    Bouncing Head---

    by micturatingbenjamin

    The bouncing head was covered by the producers' giant fleshy balls for purposefully changing continuity.<p>But if you want a guy who would like to write for this show's easy opinion...Skynet can't send shit back that way, this was just a cobbled-together piece of future junk, and it looked like it got through on the bounce. A better point would have been the Terminator looking and seeing what was happening then walking out of the bank, and standing on the corner for the next decade or so and the second they appear shoot them with a high powered rifle. Rule 5: Terminators is stupid.