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For Anyone Wondering If Jerry Goldsmith's "RAMBO Theme" Will Be Used In Sly's New Movie...Hear Your Answer!!
Merrick here...
When word first came around that Stallone was making a new RAMBO movie, we received lots of mail (and Talkbacks) about whether or not Jerry Goldsmith's "Rambo Theme" would be used in the film.
Shortly thereafter...in an interview I can't track down at the moment...composer Brian Tyler indicated his intent to springboard off of Goldsmith's classic themes.
Still, we received e-mails and Talkbacks from fans wondering if Tyler would use Goldsmith's themes - all saying (in effect) "RAMBO won't be Rambo without that music."
Check out Brian Tyler's MySpace page...
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Look to the right & click on "Rambo Suite"...such questions will be answered definitively, I think. Pretty nice.
This news came to us yesterday via the inimitable AB king. It was delayed 'cause my e-mail folder jammed up on me. Thanks to AB king...and enjoy!
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This news came to us yesterday via the inimitable AB king. It was delayed 'cause my e-mail folder jammed up on me. Thanks to AB king...and enjoy!
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maybe
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that's right first!!
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...you really have no taste in movies.
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a little too electronica?
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Not a good sign. This is gonna suck.
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For both of you who were wondering.
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and after it played I yelled, "There will be plenty of blood!" Ahh, you had to be there!
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Would have made a kickass poster too.
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The first one being, without question, the greatest thing in the history of this site. And since Bruce Willis bitched-out when DH4 miraculously made money and he didn't need us anymore, I think it's due for Mr Stallone to open himself up for another volley of questions before the release of RAMBO.
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...John Rambo, you are not expendable.
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Brian, I'm told, actually conducts his orchestras with a hairdryer and a tube of Kiehl's Facial Fuel Energizing Scrub.
I guess that's working out for him. -
It's really starting to feel like a real classic action flick with an aweseome score. That "Let the Bodies Hit the Floor" trailer will get the masses in, but it gave me a bad feeling about how things were going. This is what I was hoping for though.
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for this movie.
I was starting to think true action movies were dead. -
.. listen to the Rambo score. It is beautiful.
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Jan 08, 2008 9:40:17 PM CST
Seriously, I thought Stallone had said he'd do another session h
by sith witch
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Lionsgate almost never does screen for critics. That's how they roll.
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If you're reading, I'm pumped for the return of Rambo. PUMPED. I've liked the trailers thus far but I gotta say, I would STRONGLY suggest you cut another character driven trailer... WITH that music.
I know, most will say that all of the people that will see this could care less about seeing a less action packed trailer with character moments, but truth be told, I worry about the latest TV promos with the heavy metal music and mayhem.
For me at least, what made the Rambo movies great were the balance of character and utter brutal mayhem. FIRST BLOOD had most of the character moments. But even Part 2 and 3 had some great ones.
You had a trailer out, perhaps the first, with Rambo voice over about killing and what not, played against various slow images, then Rambo appears with bloodlust in his eyes behind a soldier. That trailer hit the spot. You NEED another ones of those to get more interest for fans and the curious alike. I'm sure you have those moments in your movie, but to avoid the general audience saying, "Okay, this is boring... just a guy runnin' around killin' people," give them images and sound bites of the character we root for. Believe or not, Rambo was more than just a guy going around killing bad guys. If we want that, we'd watch those shitty Chuck Norris flicks. Show the audience that shit with that Rambo score. Then go back to that scene where he's returned to his killing roots. It'll garner an even bigger audience bringing the heart back into it. -
I wanna see some mega-fucked-up action, take no prisoners style. Blood, blood, blood. Rambo needs to be a machine! Completely crazy like at the end of the first film. Crying and spitting blood and jerking off to corpses.
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Holy shit! Do those down's syndrome chimps at Lionsgate still think people want to hear that nu-metal dog-shit? i thought that crappy song was retired after the FREDDY VS JASON trailer.
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Remember when the guy who sung that died horribly? Is it at all sensitive to use that song in the trailer?
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yes.
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At least Stallone is still trying--I hope--to put some serious action on the screen.
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when i wasted my money to see avp2 the other night I was treated to a new Rambo trailer that looked great, unfortunately that awful awful song "let the bodies hit the floor" ruined the whole fucking thing. Whoever thought that was a good idea should be shot. a perfectly good trailer got laughs from the audience. Not an acceptable song choice even in 1998.
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Then shouldn't the fact that this is a Lion's Gate film set off some alarms in your head? There is no way this is going to be any approaching decent. And yes, hearing that song in the trailer was depressing. It sucked when it came out and it certainly hasn't gotten better with age.
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O.K. from just listening to the music, I'm picturing grand vistas with sunsets and guys on horseback..."HeeeYah!" *whipcrack!* not thick steamy jungles filled with death and 'splosions. It is some nice music, tho.
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But this movie's going to kick ass, from the looks of it.
Nu-Metal, though, is utter shit. Drowning Pool's lead singer sounds like Cookie Monster. -
STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE, motherfucker!
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Reminds me of Rambo 1 and 2. Good stuff. Sue me, I view Rambo 2 with a certain fondness of having started my obsession with action movies as a kid. Plus, it was a daddy of all action movie cliches. it invented them. All others were pretenders to the throne of Rambo 2.
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He's done some fucking amazing scores in his time, people should be pleased it wasn't Marco Beltrami doing the film and completely ignoring the established themes.
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I think it sounds fucking awesome. It really harkens back to the original First Blood soundtrack. Thanks for using Goldsmith's theme, Sly. RIP Jerry Goldsmith. "It's a long road........"
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... really? Then that room full of critics I saw RAMBO with about two weeks ago is going to be surprised to hear that.
The film is being screened. I'd say they're doing the exact opposite of hiding it. Don't know where you heard that, but it's untrue. -
Brian Tyler, you are my hero.
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Now it's officially a RAMBO movie!
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Jan 09, 2008 3:56:40 AM CST
Hey, It's stallone here - I got answers, you got questions
by john_rambo
Yo, Ain't it coolness. Sorry, been real busy doing press at the moment. Post was hectic and heavy as expected. Glad you liked Brian's score - it really pulses like only Jerry knew how. I think he did a crack on job. I hope you will all see how I remained true to the source and this film will be play true to the spirit of Rambo. Just wait and see my good friends.... Harry, what's up, do I get a black box now?
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you guys keep ignoring this plea, i'll keep asking. at least tell us if there will be one.
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well?
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Jerry rules, very glad Tyler is using his theme.
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Jan 09, 2008 4:57:35 AM CST
Listen to the score before you pass judgement mask-a-tron...
by killakane
Tyler's adapted the most memorable and significant of Goldsmith's Rambo motifs and integrated them into a solid score. Granted the suite on Tyler's My Space site is pretty much a medley of some of Goldsmith's First Blood cues (including the Copland-eque diad horn lines), but the action cues Tyler's scored on the OST are pretty damn good and while Tyler is no Jerry, he's honoured his work with the requisite respect and taste that I'd hoped for. I'm just grateful that this score can sit alongside the Rambo music cabal and not stick out like some Media Ventures SOP bastard offspring. Rambo fans and the Goldsmith faithful won't be dissappointed.
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That NU shit got to go. I agree with all talkbackers AND people without shit for brains that the music in the new trailer is HORRIBLE. I was just waiting for the new trailer to hear some Goldsmith goodness. Alas I was treated to the worst nu metal shit ever released. Great work, suit!
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Who would win?
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If you're really Sly Stallone, drop the phase 'Super-sadistic fuck' into your future Q&A.
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No orders, Ko.
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Should've been the title.
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Don't let me down, Rambo!!
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...that would make a billy goat puke.
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I read that there was 1 screening in LA and that will pretty much be it. That must be the one you were referring to. The source could be wrong, because I can't seem to find the article anymore.
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fuck all this anime news and shit
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completely agree, the AVP-R music was cookie cutter shit from off the shelf sample libraries..and there was no theme to speak of...in short dogshit.
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Looks kinda young to have been so prolific. Young, and serious, as his mygayspace would have us believe. But really, he didn't 'write' Rambo. Goldsmith did. He shouldn't act like he did, just because he rendered some kinda muzak version of it.
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on his gayspace photo? Hasselhoff! He should be the new My-Kell.
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listen to it and come back and tell s how great this dude is as a composer.
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My feeling is this film will be on a par with the exquisite Rocky Balboa. Rambo is still very relevant, especially in these troubled times. Here's hoping Sly comes through and delivers another knockout.
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What a bunch of whiners. You are all caught in the past. Have you ever heard Tyler's score for Timeline or Partition? They are pure genius compared to the dogshit that Goldsmith wrote for The Blue Max and Planet of the Apes. Wake up people.
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Jan 10, 2008 12:24:27 AM CST
Musicballs you clearly know nothing about music
by judge dredds fresh undies
Or are you being ironic? One cue from Goldsmiths Plant of the Apes score is more innovative than anything Tyler could hope to create in his entire career...
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So Planet of the Apes is more innovative than Brian Tyler's score for Bubba Ho-Tep? Would you care to explain how? Some people are clearly upset than Jerry Goldsmith is dead and that Brian Tyler has taken his rightful place as one of the top composers working today. When Hollywood finally gets around to remaking Poltergeist, I hope they have the sense to turn to Brian Tyler. I'm sure he wouldn't clutter up his score with so many notes the way Goldsmith did.
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Jan 10, 2008 4:06:45 AM CST
Anyone with an understanding of music will know Goldsmith was un
by killakane
There are few living composers who are posessed of such brilliance, the man could work in any idiom and singlarly trailblazed in advancing the use of atonalism, and quasi-serialism in a mileu that was for the most part rooted in COD Hollywood 'romantisism'. His integration of synths and unique percusion and avant guard instrument textures made his works so distinctive but all the while sonorous and appealing to the masses. While he had a longstandng relationship with orchestrators Arthur Morton and Sandy Courage, Goldsmith's shorthand scores were very detailed and specific, and unlike most of the Computer Composers of today, he notated and played his music at a piano as well as sequencing mock-ups. The word genius is often used lightly, but in the eyes of the cognascenti Goldsmith truly was, and his body of work and legacy still inspires thousands of composers and musicians across the spectrum (from DJ Shadow to Alexandre Desplat). To such talkback detractors (Musicballs) who claim that such 'digital' composers as Tyler are superior (I personally think he's taking the piss and baiting Goldsmith fans) you really need to expand your appreciation and understanding of music, or better yet develop you ears, because it's the equivalent of saying a Fiat Panda is a superior car to an Aston Martin DB7! Not to impune Mr Tyler's work, I think he's a solid bread and butter composer who will no doubt grow and develop with each score, but by no means is he presently in the same league as Goldsmith, who's exhaustive back catalogue would eclipse just about any current film composers work. My personal faves are Alien, Planet of the Apes, Damnation Alley, Total Recall, The Blue Max, Outland, The Omen Trilogy, Capricorn One, Rudy and of course that uber-cool and oft temped Judge Dredd trailer cue (if only his schedule had allowed him to take on that show). Having listened to Tylers score for Rambo, I'm really pleased with the way he's deftly integrated Jerry's JR motifs and melodies as well as putting his own stamp on the score.
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Damn you Header limit! ;-)
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you fucking tasteless goofball that shit is cliched fucking ear excrement.
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Jan 10, 2008 6:36:36 AM CST
Hey, stop the goldsmith bagging, he was a long time friend
by john_rambo
Back just for a min, looking like troubles brewing in the aintitcooler sewer. Okay whoever said that crazy remark that Goldsmith is no good - I don't understand the logic behind that kind of language.
Now Listen - in post, I gave firm instructions to Brian that Jerry's orginal scores have to stay in the film. They must be piviotal and remind the audience of Rambo's legacy and journey. No if's, no but's. The rambo themes are just as iconic as the star wars/superman themes of their day. We looked at the temp print of the film a number of times over and I think after a while - 'he got it'. Look like I always say; he's no Sinatra, but he ain't no joblo from the rough side of town either. He's done a strong and qualified job, but to say he's anything like Goldsmith is peddling horse crack. The two just are not the same. It just ain't happening. Pure and simple. Brian's a great guy, really proud of what he did, he carried his work out professionally.
Jerry will be forever missed. Hey, I wish I could of hired his great composer son to score, but his scedule wouldn't allow. That's the way it goes in the business.
Yo harry, I dunno what kind of black box I can get, but maybe it would be easier like my pal WalterB. Any chance? Just a thought.
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Don't push him or he'll give you a war you won't believe! ;-)
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That score is truly a thing of beauty, how the hell did Goldsmith connceive of those cues? So intricate and dynamic and what amazing otherwordly textures, not to mention some serious syncopations, the rehearsal sessions must have been challenging for the players. Most of today's Protools jockeys would have a seizure trying to write four bars in that style! I'd stack POTA up against anything by Bartok, Webern, Berg, and Part et al, a seminal atonal work.
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Jan 10, 2008 11:01:23 AM CST
Glad to hear your fondness for Jerry, Sly...
by judge dredds fresh undies
I think its sadly all too common for actors and directors to be unappreciative of great composers work.
I just want to say, I have no problem with Brian Tlyer, I'm not really familiar with his work but the Rambo suite on his Myspace sounded great.
KillaKane, nice post. One of the amazing things for me about Planet of the Apes is it is regarded by many as a difficult listen but I don't find that at all, for me its a joy to listen to. The section which I think was played on pots and pans that gives me chills. -
You people are all out of your minds. I don't know how you can listen to scores like Wind and the Lion, A Patch of Blue, the original Alien, Mephisto Waltz and Patton and think that Goldsmith is in the same league as Brian Tyler. Who cares if Goldsmith wrote everything out by hand? Brian Tyler has found a more efficient method of playing everything into his synthesizer and having his orchestrators copy it out. It's better this way, trust me. When you hear Brian's complete score for Rambo you will wish that he had scored the first three Rambos as well. Brian Tyler for Poltergeist!
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I get it now, Musicballs get's his rocks off by baiting geeks with spurious bullsheet, just to gleefully provoke a knee-jerk! BTW: For someone so unimpressed by Goldsmith's work he seems to be suspiciously well aquainted with it.
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Why was he replaced by Brian Tyler on Timeline? Brian Tyler has much better samples than Jerry Goldsmith, that is the answer. That's why AVPR is the best Alien score, and Predator score for that matter. In a few years, I am sure that the music for Bubba Ho-Tep, Paparazzi and Godsend will be cherished the same way the music for Hour of The Gun, Damnation Alley and The Great Train Robbery is.
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Goldsmith loved experimenting and looking for new sounds, be it a 'Serpent' for a buzzing Alien texture, a DX7 for Rambo's Rattlesnake signature, or a 'Blasterbeam' motif for VGER on Star Trek. I was fortunate enough to see Jerry in concert with the RNSO and with the LSO,
The Hunt cue from POTA always went down a storm, he introduced a lot of the unorthodox percussion and instrument effects before hand (Squealing Bassoons, rasping French Horns without mouth pieces and col legno strikes in the strings etc). It was truly awe inspiring hearing those players 'pushing air'on that piece. It's strange how some fans can't get their heads around the POTA score, I know a lot of Jazz heads and Modernist composers absolutely adore it (including the great 'Crimper' Julian Barrat of the Mighty Boosh), but people who're comfortable with conventional 'tonal' scores and diatonic fare just dont now what to listen for and fall back on the "it's just random noise! plea" It's sad really that there are some bods who can't step out of their comfort zone and embrace such evolved and beautifully crafted music. -
Jan 10, 2008 5:17:33 PM CST
s anyone surprised Goldsmith isn't doing this...(and a note for
by playkins
...being that he's NO LONGER WITH US?!?!? I don't see anyone's issue. The music I heard on that myspace was FANTASTIC. I'll iTunes that one as soon as it's up.
Sly, I was a doubter of yours when I heard you were doing another Rocky AND another Rambo. You knocked it out of the park with Rocky B. Can't wait to see this one. -
Well, hearing those old scores sure sent a chill down my spine... I cannot fucking WAIT to see this film!
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Jan 11, 2008 3:27:24 AM CST
As Sly stated, Goldsmith's music is intrinsic to a 'Rambo' movie
by killakane
For me, that was the only remaining expectation/anxiety I had for this movie, all the other boxes were checked, now it's all there, I can't wait to see this!
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