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Golden Globes Ceremony Cancelled!!
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A press conference this afternoon is expected to announce that NBC is canceling Sunday’s Golden Globe ceremonies, perhaps because Dick Clark Enterprises couldn’t be bothered to mount such an event if it isn’t being televised.
Instead, NBC will fill its primetime schedule with a press conference announcing the winners, clips of the nominees and party coverage. (But will the stars attend the parties if they're covered by NBC, which continues to be picketed by the writers’ guild?)
Nikki Finke’s sources explain what NBC is putting up against the premieres of “Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles” and “Comanche Moon” that night:
At 7 PM, we will air a Dateline with clips and interviews with nominees. (Currently scheduled to air for two hours on Saturday night.)
At 8 PM, we are negotiating with Dick Clark Enterprises for a one-hour retrospective/clip show.
At 9 PM there will be a press conference covered by NBC News announcing the Golden Globe winners. (9pm-10pm)
At 10 PM, we will broadcast an "Access Hollywood" style, Golden Globes party show...visiting the various parties in Hollywood
Find all of Finke’s reportage on the matter here.
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At 8 PM, we are negotiating with Dick Clark Enterprises for a one-hour retrospective/clip show.
At 9 PM there will be a press conference covered by NBC News announcing the Golden Globe winners. (9pm-10pm)
At 10 PM, we will broadcast an "Access Hollywood" style, Golden Globes party show...visiting the various parties in Hollywood
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want to speak to anybody?
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Now I can complain
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Award shows usually don't do much more than piss me off.
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From the comfort of my home in my comfy sofa. OMG! Look at fat he looks! Damn she looks old! Joan Rivers face looks like expanded fiber glass. She wore that? I hope an incident happens during the ceremony. So I can post about it on my Blog. Can you believe he said that? Wow that was moving... Well all thats gone now! Thanks strikers!
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The business is a bunch of self serving creeps anyway.
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This IS a first!
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Just kidding, I love awards shows. The glamor, the dresses, the fashion ... it's what makes the world love America.
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E channel can't do its style award special and Mary Hart won't orgasum and Paris Hilton won't be able to put cum on celebrity faces.
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Damn it.
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Whatever shall we do without three hours of drunken Hollywood elites praising themselves, hating our military and pissing on values that 90% of the country respects and tries to live by? Whatever shall we do?
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BSG is Next!!
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I'll be watching the terminator. Also No Country and Juno for best pics
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burn!
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Isn't that the BEST way to honor the nominees and support the strike? Tune out. :et's go see some of the great movies that were nominated. They will still be in theaters. There Will Be Blood. Juno. Peresepolis. No Country for Old Men. Sweeny Todd. Atonement. The Diving Bell and the Butterfly. Charlie Wilson's War. Enchanted. All those and more are still playing. They deserve every dollar.
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Not as eloquently as you, but I wanted to give you a headstart.
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Suck it, NBC.
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More American Gladiators please.
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to the viewing public...
and the nominees are, "The Assination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford, No Country For Old Men, Rescue Dawn, There Will Be Blood, and Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street. And the winner is...
"Alvin and The Chipmunks"!!!! -
about awards shows but last year was such a great year for movies, it's a shame that this is the year ceremonies are cancelled.I would enjoy hearing Daniel Day-Lewis speak as well as the Coen Brothers, Javier Bardem, Julian Schnabel, Amy Adams, etc. There are a lot of people I'd be very happy to see win not just because they're great but because they really earned it last year.
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I don't get why the WGA is alienating shows like this, that don't need writers to go ahead. Why not let them just do an unwritten presentation of the awards and stop bullying actors to stop them appearing. I'm beginning to think the WGA is run by the same kind of morons that run the networks.Award shows have always featured godawful writing, a show without all that stupid banter would be welcome.
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who gives a fuck - no one would watch this anyway, the country doesn't give a shit about any of the nominees.
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Jan 07, 2008 5:29:54 PM CST
ANCHORITE - HAHA NOW YOU'LL MISS RON SILVER'S SPEECH
by bringingsexyback
for Least Relevant But Thinks He's Relevant Pseudo-Celebrity award. What a sucker.
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over the scorched charred land! now if only all the other useless self-bobbing shows would get buried, then lets hopefully shut down hollywood. close those fuckers down too. then when it's all over, perhaps from teh ruined shambles will sprout creativity and risk-taking with new filmmakers, a golden age a new 70s style era, then i will run through the fields surrounding my home and sing merrily with my fellow woodland creatures
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And now I can't. There Will Be Blood was amazing though so as long as that wins I am happy.
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Just like you, motherfucker.
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The real losers are in the orchestra pit rasing the swell of the music as acceptance speeches run too long. I guess they will have to spen an extra weeks with the extended tour of the Manheim Steamrollers.
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as well tomorrow night. I have no clue how they're going to give out their awards. I am rooting for Gossip Girl to win Best New Drama to keep it the fukk outta the hands of Private Practice. And it has Kristen Bell voiceovering everything.
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do they even do those anymore??
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Why were the Globes ever taken seriously in the first place, aren't they voted on by the foreign press? Ahhh America, we even outsource the results to our own film award programs. And also, if most actors, as has happened often, feel it is more important for them to empty their bladders after imbibing those 10 Vodka Tonics, instead of being available to accept their award, doesn't that tell us something about the Globes themselves? That actors would rather take a shit, than win one of those pieces of trash.
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Jan 07, 2008 5:49:21 PM CST
YEt everyone will be at the Critics Choice Awards
by the winged doucheman
But no one will watch. Everybody wins!
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This calls for the Chtuthulutlu song.
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It's a great strategy and one that I think will work. The WGA has shown that they have the power to shut down the second largest awards ceremony in the country. Their next target will be the Oscars. The studios must be sweating bullets thinking about all the lost Ad revenue if the Oscars gets shut down as well. Those 30 second slots are second only to the Superbowl. Not to mention all the money lost on the movies' Oscar advertisement campaigns. Today was a victory. In my opinion, this is a huge step towards resolving the strike.
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is going to be on Cartoon Network's Boondocks (!), of all shows, in the penultimate episode of its second season shortly. She'll share guest star duties with Terrence Howard, Kanye West and Ludacris. That should be fun.
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you talkbackers (except the douchebag who actually write that whole americans hating america shit...seriously please go die, unless you were joking. But this year has some fantastic movies and performances and it would have been great to see them getting their praise
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They were discontinued in 1997 after about a 20-year run.
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and I was looking forward to not even knowing it was on that night.
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The Golden Globes are pretty lame. It's like Junior Prom. It would have been nice to see Ellen Page all dolled up though.
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Jan 07, 2008 6:02:51 PM CST
If the WGA fucks around with the Oscars, they'll lose the hearts
by pennsy
battle and will be entirely on their own, IMO. It's the 80th anniversary; I want to see Keira Knightley and Jennifer Garner get Oscars. They're not the Golden Globes, and Gil Cates isn't going to be intimidated. I foresee ABC and the Academy going to court and getting an injunction against any picketing. You wonder why the HFPA didn't do that already.
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Ah well, some rich celebrity won't receive some ego boosting award for a shitty movie they made. well we'll survive...
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Jan 07, 2008 6:12:15 PM CST
Globes are lame. They sit at dinner tables for fuck's sake.
by tallboy66
If all you goddamned hollywood type godless sleazes can't be bothered to sit in normal seats like normal people, then we can't be bothered to watch it. I'm fine with a press release - take that, world!
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I'm usually good at not exceeding the subject limit.
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My penis would win.
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Am I the only person who thought this movie was way too pretentious, and full of quirky catch phrases, one liners and slang pop lingo to be entertaining?
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Agree completely. Hated it. My rant on it can be found in Capone's Best Of 2007 thread.
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No one will even notice the difference, and the writing will PROBABLY even improve...Let the union writers starve or get real jobs like everyone else.
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Dialogue aside, the biggest problem for me was that there weren't any likable characters except for J.K. Simmons and he had such a small part. A lot of the humor went right over my head.
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I'm already looking forward to this year's imaginary running Oscar commentaries.
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I nominate MNG's "the Cthulhu Dance," as song of the year.
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Can't stand the Golden Globes, except when one of the women have a wardrobe malfunction and you see some REAL golden globes!
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and were not open to the public and were first broadcast on radio, before that there it was a private dinner. it was not open to the public. It was and remains the most elitist of all awards ceremonies. It is also the most revolting symbol of vanity ever created. all actors want a oscar. In the uk a couple of years the death knell for the oscars was sounded when, Jonathon hosted the thin g for the BBC, it tanked ratings wise. So sky stepped and got Ozzy's wife and Jamie theakston to host the warm up program on sky one. Before sky movies one showed the whole thing live on pay per view. The result was total indifference from the public. It the oscars have got less to do with movies and more about Nicole Ice cold kidman is wearing. YAWNNNNNNNN! The fashion industry has leeched all the excitment out of the ceremony. IT is the movie equivalent of the dead parrot. there are too many awards shows. any way.
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and hand out awards to films, the irish public will never see. Dont believe me last year small engine repair won 4 awards, a full 6 months before it got released. Small engine's repair was released and had a three week run nad then it vanished and its now out on dvd.
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Maybe he can do the red carpet at Red Lobster.
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to those who say that celebs tend to bash the military and 'American Values', I don't think it's as black and white as you make it seem. I do think they hate blo-hard presidents who enter us into wars dealing with foreign affairs, while ignoring problems on their own soil, military leaders who feels it's ok, and watch young-mostly minorities die, and Americans who hate other Americans for not agreeing to EVERYTHING that is status quo, etc. They don't hate the brave men & women fighting! they respect that. Don't let one or two comments skewer your perspective.
And as far as 'American Values,' I respect the ideal behind it, but not what's actually happened in this country through the years(Slavery, McCartyism, industrial revoloution & the racsism assc w/ it, Reganism, Katrina, KKK, war on Blacks, Latins, Asians, etc....) shit, the signers of the constitution owned slaves! Most celebs, at least the ones who are informed, are outspoken about making THESE issues better, not shitting on America....the powers that be have already done that enough! And no, I don't get all my info from the internet/TV. It's not just random banter, it's fact, go read a book. It's good and bad, but lets not pretend that things are 100% good in the world. -
I'd be happy to see them cut down the number of industry awards to 2 or 3 tops.
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so that every year they will cancel it.
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Just confirmed in the past 10 minutes: http://tinyurl.com/2ntbcm
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I *know* you have been reading about the strike because I've caught a couple of your updates. That's why it sort of amazes me that you seem to be pushing the cancelation of the Globes on the WGA. No Actors and Actresses are showing up! That is why the are cancelled. SAG is joined in solidarity with the current strike. Do you think that if the actors and actresses *were* showing up, this event would be cancelled?? Absolutely not. What SAG has done here has shown a tremendous amout of support and respect for the people that write the material that they perform.
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Jan 07, 2008 7:36:54 PM CST
The WGA did turn down the HFPA's similar-to-Letterman offer for
by pennsy
A carbon copy of it, apparently. I thought that's what the WGA was looking for when they started this divide and conquer thing. But a tipping point is coming, don't make any mistake about that. And it's called the Oscars. Those folks will not roll over like the HFPA did. Like the National Society of Film Critics best picture winner says, there WILL be (virtual) blood spilled in the next clash. WGA will picket, SAG will support them, ABC and the AMPAS say fuck youse, we'll see you in court and get an injunction slapped on picketing on the red carpet, at the after-parties, everywhere. Doesn't anybody realize that we may see a president of the United States elected *before* we see an end to this strike?
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that is...
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I realize the situation. Do you realize that the studios CEOs have NEVER met face to face with WGA negotiators? They have Nick Counter and Lehane do thier dirty work for them, while they sit comfortably reassured on the side lines that things are progressing *nicely* to their benefit.
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...that you can make an understandable point without being a complete douchetard? The Internet is not as anonymous as you would like to think.
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I'll never be born!
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Not to jump on the bandwagon here because I did enjoy it, but Juno is a tad over rated. I mean, its got some heart and some good performances but it tried a little too hard. There's a difference between witty dialogue and obnoxious pretentious dialogue and Juno was full of the ladder. I remember one of the early reviews said that the dialgue was incredibly real....I think it was pretty far from realistic. I did loive the whole Jennifer Garner thread. That felt like the only real thing in the film....now abiot this strike thats putting thousands of innocent people out of work. I'm glad the strikers can celebrate at starbucks and eat pudding while people in supplementary jobs and below the line jobs are..out of the job. Great job writers. Have fun with those residuals.
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I saw it at TIFF and have been saying it ever since but no one listened to ME! I disagreed with the "real" dialogue, the first half of the movie the Juno character was too energetic for the rest of the film, she didn't feel like she fits with everyone else (OMG BUT THATS THE POINT) because shes so god damn outrageous, saying lines that are cheesy and no one would say this day in age, like one liners and jokes from the early 90's.
The music is also equally irritating. The movie does have good spirit and all that, good morals, the second half is much better and Michael Cera rocks. Thank You For Smoking was superior in my opinion, and Juno is just not as super god damn spectacular as everyone around me kept saying it was. So pretty much, I told ya so. -
I did leave the theatre liking it...its just I felt a little let down. I dont blame the film, I blame the hype. I mean, it wasnt exactly ground breaking or gut busting...it was just...cute. And people were comparing it to Napoleon Dynamite which i firmly disagree with. Napoleon wasnt a masterpiece or anything but its brand of quirkiness worked. Juno just felt like it was trying way to hard to be quirky and offbeat. Little things about it just kind of annoyed me starting from the point where she put the couch she made love on in her baby daddy front yard. Just seemed...silly for no reason other than being silly to me. I felt like the director and writer were sitting right behind me and talking throughout the whole film about how clever and witty they were being. I don't want to think about it to hard lol. I wanna walk away still liking it and if I think to hard about it I might not anymore.
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Fuck the windbaggery, lameass hosts, Solid Gold-era song-n-dance shit, and shiny envelopes. Publish your damn winners lists all at once on the internet, you fucking children. Good riddance to useless rubbish.
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I guess its whats best for everyone right now. The writers can go on strike and really stick it to the man for their residuals and more control of hollywood while the rest of us who have been negatively impacted by this can celebrate their heroics. I mean, who really cares about the rest of those people who will theoretically gain nothing from this. I mean, the writers have to stick it to the man and get their residuals. And I mean..the actors are being totally self less. I mean, its not as if they stand to gain anything from the strike right? They are doing it purely out of solidarity. And I'm sure the strike is absolutely crushing those multimillionaire actors and they are probably calling their accountants trying to get ends meet. March on you writers and strikers. You're the real American heroes and sacrificing it all so that you can empower everyone in Hollywood. Everyone will get a larger cut of the pie thanks to the writers and actors and I thank you Bacci for bringing it to my attention.
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Oh wait they don't use writers on the Superbowl. TV in general is cancelled! Except for Tila Tequila. That will air for entirnity.
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Just wonder how old you are and where you live. Because you sound like and ignorant fucking 16 year old from New Jersey. If you're any older than that, and that's your world view, that's just sad. But seriously, how old are you? Please tell me you're just a dumb teenager. Be honest.
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They cancel entire sporting seasons during labor disputes, most recently the NHL, so cancelling one television event should not be a big deal to anyone. Problem is, people will care and this likely will affect the negotiations. My question is are they still going to vote and announce winners? Then at least the films would be recognized...Or is this really all about "Who are you wearing"???
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Im serious. This show and season has issues that must be discussed. So I guess the writers won then? Way to go!
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If someone disagrees with your opinion your first assumption is that he is immature? That kind of thinking will get you very far in life. In one sense lecter is absolutely right. I'm sure that, if you added up the numbers, the "crew" portion of Hollywood outnumbers the "talent" portion that will benefit from the strike. I don't fault the writers for fighting for what they think they deserve, but, like Leno said, 160 people almost lost their jobs because of the demands of 19 writers and the studios refusal to acquiesce. Sooner or later one of the sides will begin to hammer that point home, and I get the feeling that the writers are a bit too arrogant to take that advantage.
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Finally something good comes from the writer's strike. No Golden Globe crap this year.
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I'm not 16, wish I were, but I'm not. I don't hate the writers for going on strike, but I'm really grated by that they are acting like victims and expect everyone who is being negatively affected by this strike to pick up arms with them. To me its sad that the choice of a few is hurting many....and a large number of those many stand to gain nothing.
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Firstly, I never said what my opinions are, so I don't know how much lecter1914 agrees or disagrees with my feelings about the strike. But living in LA, and working in the industry, and personally knowing some of the striking writers below the line crew that are now out of work, I think I have some idea of what I'm talking about if I do state an opinion about the strike. So, in turn, I wonder what kind of informed place lecter1914 is speaking from. I just think it's interesting when I see all this "rich writers with their cushy jobs" talk. Because if you actually live in LA, work in the industry, and know how hard these writers have had to work to hone their craft, to get to where they are, you would know what a load of shit that mindset is. Believe me, most writers live as middle class a life as anyone anywhere. And remember this, when they don't work, they don't make money either. And because they make NO residuals from the growing internet market, and their royalties from TV and DVD are so goddamn small (because they actually expected producers to live up to their word last time), they are sweating their mortgages and rent just like everyone else. Also, these people worked damn hard to get to where they are today so they can make the shows you like (or don't). They've worked damn hard so you will laugh at 30 Rock, or dig BSG, or Moonlight or Lost. To make the shows good so that fanboys like lecter1914 will watch and enjoy, or shit on in a talkbalk just like this one. So do I think someone who disagrees with me is immature? Not necessarily. Depends on what they say. Do I think lecter19194's comments are immature? Fuck yeah. And ignorant. That's why I asked how old he is. Just curious. so when I see shit like that, and if he tells me "well yeah actually, I'm 16 and live in Paramus, NJ" I'll go, "Oh ok, he's a dipshit kid who doesn't know what he's talking about." But I believe everyone has a right to an opinion. Shit, it's the internet, that's what it's for. That, and porn. By the way, I'm 41, live and work in the entertainment industry in LA. And Shivv, my thinking is working just fine for me, I promise.
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The writers don't expect everyone to pick up arms with them. I really don't know where people are getting this shit. Do some fucking research peeps. And yeah, it's tough for a lot of people in town right now. It's true. I'll bet I know someone who will lose out on work now because of the globes. But people here get how goddamn much money these producers make. Believe me, it's that much. And to want to give the writers NOTHING? Guys, seriously, the WGA is not some friggin walnut lined country club with snifters of brandy, and smoking rooms. The labor unions in the industry exist for a reason. I think it's cool you feel for the crew people in town, and it does does does suck, but most people in the industry know what's going on. These producers have to share the wealth with THE PEOPLE WHO CREATE THE ENTERTAINMENT they make their hundreds of millions from. Yeah hundreds of millions. This is no new news. C'mon man, do the math. 0% of $100,000,000 is nothing. Would you work for that? If your kids' health insurance depended on it? Why does anyone expect writers to?
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My saying I think it kind of sucks that the writers have put a lot of people out of work and throw fits whenever people dont go along with their program i.e. Carson Daly, is immature. I'll take note of that one. I guess I should just come on telling people they are full of shit and calling them 16 and dipshits would greatly incrase my maturity. Ok, I see how it works. I'll just continue to be immature about the situation.
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The Oscars started with people sitting around tables, you retards. They evolved into the current pretentious, delusional time fart they've become. The Globes still allow actors to booze it up, and act natural. What's with all you morons? Go back to your basements, and masturbate for three hours on Sunday. The Globes are loved by the industry, and this is a major loss.
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the speeches AREN'T boring on the Globes - that's Oscar territory. Do any of you actually ever watch it? Some of the comments in here really reveal an absence of industry knowledge.
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If more awards ceremonies featured bomb threats, a Phil Donahue impersonator and Raquel Welch engaging in fisticuffs and Pia Zadora getting stuck in a tuba, we'd all be singing a different tune with this news.Yeah, I just made a Naked Gun 33 1/3 reference.
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Whatever. That's your prerogative. I don't normally post in these talkbacks, and this is why. There are a few people who seem to really want to talk about stuff, and some who want to spout uninformed generalizations. I know which one you are now. And by the way, the writers didn't put anyone out of work. That would be the PRODUCERS who could have easily given the writers the relatively tiny share of internet royalties they're asking for. Remember that, ok? Can you do that? The producers said "We'll shut this show down before we negotiate with you." The writers have fired no one. Put no one out of work. They don't have that power. All they have said is "we will not write for you till you give us a fair share of the profits of what we created." The producers did not have to let it come to this. In fact it could all end tomorrow, if they just give the writers the very small internet residuals they're asking for, which I will remind you now is NOTHING. 0%. If you knew what the hell you were talking about, you would know this. Clearly, trying to tell you this is a waste of time. Good luck with your ignorance and lack of curiosity to do any research on a topic. I know it's easier to just call the writers whiny babies and get pouty when someone actually challenges your ill informed and inaccurate statements.
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Oh man.
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I just read TMZ's comment section on this news story. I have never read a comment section on TMZ before, and I really really really really wish that I hadn't now. Holy shit, talk about the single largest cesspool of ignorance and douchebaggery mankind has ever seen. Not only have I lost all faith in humanity, but I kind of want to shoot myself in the face. It's my fault for even going to TMZ though.
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Your being a touch disingenuous with that statement- by refusing to continue to produce, and effectivey stopping any alternative scab writer from producing they have exercised their power and..... stopped all the people that lecter was referring to from working. Not that I give a shit, but I just wanted you to get off your soapbox- even though it is obvious that the writers and all supporting credited crew get shafted by the producers- you're making it sound like it is some righteous battle against "The Man". It isn't- it's a labout dispute. Nothing more.
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film is subjective and an awards ceremony(granted it has more credibility than the academy) that does not nominate Alfonso Cuaron for Children of Men and has never nominated Christian Bale. Well can you take them seriously? history is the truth and Children of Men although snubbed by everyone will be remembered. Why the fuck do you think Alfonso Cuaron is considered a God now.
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fucken typos. That's why I'm not a writer
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One of the strongest years in nearly a decade for motion pictures of the quality variety, and some greedy bitches ruin exposure for films that actually warrant, just so some dudes who write crappy sitcoms can get some more undeserved cash.
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And the reason the writers need the actors to no show is because people will realise how detrimental writers are, when we get to skip there fucking lame, pathetic attempts at humour during the intros.
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Seriously, so a bunch of unionists go on strike. The stuidos can just act as distributors for indie flicks, which will only be an improvement over the current dross most of them feed us now. But TV will take a hit. GOOD.
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Fuck me I almost died laughing. "What the hell is Phil Donahue doing".
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What will he do for those 3 hours? Here's a suggestion. Take a walk, fatty!
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Possibility of being scrapped. YES!!! No JLA till after Shadow of the Bat.
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That the pro strikers are very quick to tongue lash anyone that doesnt agree with the strike and its negative consequences. As soon as you say you dont really like the fact that the writers are striking and that people are out of work...they get all upset and immediately start calling you immature, ignorant, and various other insults. Then when you point out that the writers and their supporters expect everyone to agree with them and pick up arms they deny it and once again start calling you names.
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That the writers are still writing during the strike. of course its just a TB and I guess you have to do something with you're time but can I please just have my 30 rock back now.
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last night on VH1. Best Picture - No Country For Old Men Best Director - The Coens Best Actor - Daniel Day Lewis Best Actress - Julie Christie That looks like a pretty viable lineup for the rest of the award season, so we can skip all the upcoming awards...oh, and it was funny to hear Leslie Mann slip loose a f-bomb on VH1.
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Just so's we're clear, are you pro or anti strike? I get that it's a bit shit that all these guys are getting put out of work, and I agree with you there, but I haven't figured out if you agree with the principle of the strike?
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counter offer to the WGA? I know the asked for increase is pennies per DVD, and some unknown percentage of internet revenue. Is the internet revenue restricted to network controlled (or owned) sites? Does anyone here know anyone who has some inside info? Because the producers are looking like giant douches at this point.
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I'll try to explain my position. I guess I'm anti strike but pro writer if that makes any sense. I believe they do deserve their residuals and fair pay in proportion to the profit the studios turn. However, I dont agree with the scorched earth approach of hurting EVERYONE, even people not involved in the writers dilemma simply to get at the studios. I'm sure thats not the writers intent with the strike, but it is indeed whats happening. This is the type of strike where the very last people to be hit with negative consequences are the targets while the first and hardest hit are the people totally out of the shooting range. So, that being said, I hope the writers get what they want but I dont like the way they are going about trying to get it.
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Not being nominated for best picture and director. Well the best movies and actors don't get recognized anyway, history has the final say. Children of Men, Alfonso Cuaron and Christian Bale are too good and far beyond silly fashion lead awards ceremonies. oh my god how beautiful does Nicole Kidman look. Fuck you.
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only the part about celebrities shutting up about politics. like that is the reason the entertainment industry isn't as good as it should be. that's just fucking idiotic. people don't give a fuck about who is in a movie. the celebrities are people who sell tabloids, all the movies they make, make fuck all money. what i'm saying is that you're not making any sense. i hate right wing cunts.
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My last comment on this crap. Soapbox? What? Because I have friends who make their living this way? And how, how is it when you concede yourself that the writers and crew get shafted, that this the writers fault? Because they struck? I guess it's me. I just don't understand at what point people in this country started backing corporations instead of fellow people. These are huge media corporations that are keeping the shows out of production. But again, I guess it's just "fuck anyone who uses what little muscle they have. Shut up. Get back to work." What are you people, Disney shareholders? If I've given the impression, it's some "us against the man" thing, let me make it perfectly clear what it's about. Money. Money money money. I don't know how much clearer to make it, most writers are not rich fatcats. They live really regular lives with kids and mortgages. It's a fact that royalties help keep a roof over many of their heads when they're not working, which can be any time in this business. It's really unpredictable. Yes, it's the career they've chosen (that any of us have chosen who work in entertainment), but what, we have to be penalized for trying to do what we want to do? Create entertainment? Yeah "lost jarv" I guess it's real disingenuous to think people who create the shows and movies you watch should be able to pay their mortgage and rent. Wow, what an asshole I am. Even anchorite, who just posted above, who says people think the writers are overpaid. Not everyone in LA are the guys who wrote "Pirates of the Caribbean" Yes, of course there are those who hit those jackpots. They are the exception, not the rule. Whatever. Keep hating, haters. It's easier than actually knowing what you're talking about.
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Its an awards show. Its the industry giving itself a big gigantic pat on the back (as if everyone can't figure out for themselves which movies and TV shows they liked, but instead need someone to tell us what we liked), followed by Joan and Melissa Rivers acting like they've never looked in the mirror and instead caling everyone else's outfits ugly for days on end. So honestly, who cares if its held as it usually is, held as a press conference, held as a seance, or cancelled all together? Its all entertainment, but if anything is important in all of this its the strike's impact on real workers lives, and much less importantly its impact on actual ongoing TV shows.
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thanks to a supporting role played by an asshole goon who cut his wife's head off.
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it's more a case of the movie star just doesn't exist anymore. people go see movies because of movies now, which personally I really love. Celebrities keep their tabloids and actors make movies. Just look at 300 and Transformers. No big names, yet huge smashes. Lions for Lambs failed because people just weren't interested in the movie. Mission impossible 3 and war of the worlds were mega hits. Those people who worry about Tom Cruise's personal life or even pander to it are the same type of people(housewives) who never go to movies anyway. it's more a case of the audience changing. Will Smith seems to be the last movie star but did I am legend make money because of him or because of the movie. It's the latter. We'll also see how 27 dresses does considering there is all this talk about Katherine Heigl as movie star because of Knocked up, but as if people went to see that because of her and her performance, it was the movie.
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I think people stayed away from Lions for Lambs because it looked boring. Probably also because, for a lot of people, it would just be telling them things they already know.
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yes OJ is fucked but those movies are still 3 of the top 10 funniest movies ever made. Fuck I still cry tears of laughter at those movies.
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this is undiputable proof that there is a God...
"and on the fifth day, He unleashed upon the world a great strike that will clense the airwaves of shitty scripted television programs."
"and then, on the sixth day, He unleashed unto the world the scourge of 'reality television'"
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Exactly!! The trailers and promos looked like a raging borefest, and promoting Redford as the director...when was the last time he was relevant as a notable director...?
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Though I'm grateful to the hacks for prompting the cancellation of the Gold Globes (nothing more than a glorified press release). The American public will simply turn the channel (seriously, NOBODY CARES!).
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just looked boring. No one pays to go to the movies to be bored except for the art crowdand even they dont like being beat to death with political propaganda (jokes people, jokes) but if you cant even make your movie look interesting in trailers....then the movie is sure to be the shittest.
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Every awards show now is obsessed about how good they are at predicting the Oscars. Also people who want to hear the Coens and DDLewis speak. These guys are all introverts and do not make for an entertaining evening make. Though I was pissed when my DVD cut out right before Brad Bird spoke at the Critics award. At least it saves us from hearing from George Clooney about how important George Clooney is. Plus if they keep getting host like DL "get over it, your white yourself so your attempt at race humor is not funny" Hughly, and Ellen DeGeneres (I am still not sure who thinks she is funny?, Seriously someone somewhere who was important decided that they liked her, now everyone calls her the funniest female comedian around? She's like a bad attempt on British humor. I prefer Whoopie even that annoying red head (because she sometimes says some batshit crazy stuff) over Ellen anyday. At least that indepdent and MTV realized that Sarah Silverman is funny.) Then whats the point of watching?
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If the writers want money so bad, fucking follow Robert Ben Garant and Thomas Lennon's example. Just whore yourself out to get money, then take hold of shit that you actually care about. Why do you think more and more screen writers are becoming directors? Syriana, Michael Clayton both directed by screenwriters. I guess you could just become friends with Cloondawg even if he is a self important wanna be politician, he makes everyone around him more famous.
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Uppon thinking about it all night, Juno had one major flaw. You never really get to know Juno. Throughout the whole movie she is pretty much just a talking windbag that does nothing but spout out overly clever and overly witty lines repreatedly. And she was totally coming onto Jason Bateman. Thats what has been bugging me about the movie since I saw it, but I couldnt put my finger on it until now. Every other character was completely grounded and believable except for the titular character. And Lions For Lambs seemed like nothing but three extended scenes. If I wanted to see that I would just watch Blade 2 again.
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Uppon thinking about it all night, Juno had one major flaw. You never really get to know Juno. Throughout the whole movie she is pretty much just a talking windbag that does nothing but spout out overly clever and overly witty lines repreatedly. And she was totally coming onto Jason Bateman. Thats what has been bugging me about the movie since I saw it, but I couldnt put my finger on it until now. Every other character was completely grounded and believable except for the titular character. And Lions For Lambs seemed like nothing but three extended scenes. If I wanted to see that I would just watch Blade 2 again.
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Hollywood endorsed Hillary Clinton (big time, big money!). And she has been trounced in Iowa (and will surely lose NH). Viva Obama! Movies cranked out by the politically "enlightened"--Robert Redford, Jane Fonda, et al--have crashed and burned at the boxoffice. George Clooney sagely makes "little (i.e. art) movies" that are not commercially risky (he was hardly the catalyst for the eroding success of the OCEANS 11 franchise). As for Tom Cruise, nobody's buying his marriage to Katie Holmes (that union is a "beard" that was also applied to the marriage of Robert Taylor/Barbara Stanwyck, both gay). Cruise should just come out of the closet--it would have saved him a lot of time hanging with hottys every time a tabloid questioned his lifestyle.
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but what about all the "below the line" people who also have mortgages but don't get residuals or strike pay? Getting next to nothing for DVD sales is still better than nothing! These are the people who get paid depending on the hours they work; if they have to work on a webisode, they get paid for the time they spend on set. How is this strike going to help them? It's not, all it's doing is hurting them. I think the writers deserve to be paid for the work they do but not at the expense of 90% of those who make a living from the television & film industry.
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Tell that to the PRODUCERS. They have the power. The PRODUCERS. What combination of english words will bring that point home to people? Why is there no responsibility on the part of the producers with you guys? The writers, the writers, the writers. They're not the boss! What is not clear about this? and like you said yourself, next to nothing is right.
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It really took me awhile to realize what exactly it was about Juno that I just didnt like and I realized it was Juno herself. Don't get me wrong, liked the movie and all, but something about it just bugged me to no end that I couldnt really shake.
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Sally hates mothers.
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"That's a wound"
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and more crying women thanking their lawyers.
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No gay announcers squeezing boobs.
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Of course the producers share an enormous portion of the blame for this strike, and for keeping the strike going. But the writers are not helpless victims; remember this is a strike, not a lock-out. Yes, the studios are owned by massive corporations who are run by greedy fucks, and, yes, the writers deserve to see a portion of revenue from their creations, wherever that revenue should come from. But should their victory come at the expense of the majority of workers of this industry? Was the negative financial impact of these people seriously considered when the WGA members voted to strike? Do they care? Was a strike the only option left to the WGA? What about appointing a mediator? What about legal action against the studios if they really were not negotiating in good faith?If the writers get what they want, good for them. If this strike averts a strike by the DGA or SAG, even better. But just once I would like the WGA to admit that their decision to strike has had a devastating financial effect on the majority of workers in the television industry, workers who will in no way benefit from a better deal for the writers, and be honestly contrite about it (without placing the blame solely on the studios).
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I couldnt have said it any better myself. Thats exactly the point I've been trying to make. I guess that means you are also 16 years old and immature according to Jesuschrist. And I thorught I read somewhere that they are speculating this strike situation could last until 2009....WTF???
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so we're in good company. Hey, you want to skip Gym class to go watch the cheerleader tryouts?
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I gotta go play magic with my crew before the football team comes out and pours water down our shorts again. *takes puff from inhaler*
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You can't fight the absolutely sound logic of internet nerds. What was I thinking? Think I'll go look at something more sensible on the internet like, say 2 girls and 1 cup.
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You must be an immature 16 year old just like me and Big Jim. You wanna join our crew and play magic cards in the cafeteria and hope none of the cool kids pick on us?
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nobody cares about this stupid award.
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dude, you bang chicks??? No way!!!
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to correct a comment above...the Globes have done increasingly well in the ratings, the past few years. The show is important within the industry, and it's considered a good time by all who attend - winners or "losers." I cannot believe what a screech-a-thon this web site has become over the past few years, and the lack of industry intelligence is mind-boggling.
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You asked the following:"But should their victory come at the expense of the majority of workers of this industry? Was the negative financial impact of these people seriously considered when the WGA members voted to strike? Do they care? Was a strike the only option left to the WGA? What about appointing a mediator? What about legal action against the studios if they really were not negotiating in good faith?"
This is a business negotiation. I'm fairly certain the producers had no such qualms or second-guessing of their own tactics but the negotiators of the Guilds should?? What kind of logic is that?
The WGA went to the last LA city council meeting in regards to the damaging affect the strike was having on the city. The Producers sent NO ONE, not even a rep; they couldn't be bothered.
The WGA *has* filed a legal motion with the Labor Board regarding the Producers decision to stop negotations, collusion and other unfair business practices.
Writers who are back at work on the Letterman & Feragson show are donating money to the strike fund - which happen to be varied and numerous. I made a donation even though I can not really afford it to the MPTV fund, that supports below-the-line workers. What have the Producers donated? What have you? -
"what was he doing in the red light district?" "Sex, Frank?" "no not right now we have work to do."
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They don't need writers.
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has set up funds to help out those hurt by the strike. I would hope their own unions might be doing something for them as well.Obviously the producers don't give a crap about anyone but themselves. But my point was the WGA members chose this course of action and do bear some responsibility for the shutdown and the effect it is having. They are not victims of the strike but rather participants in it. That being said, I hope the writers get everything they are demanding, and soon, so they, and everyone else, can get back to work.
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"Cigarette?" "Yes, I know."
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Get a fucking real job. Problem solved. You whiny dependent bitches might also find your personality well suited to welfare or begging. Feeling sorry for people losing their job in the TV industry is like feeling sorry for perverts who can't afford a raincoat to go out and expose themselves in. So more of your mind numbing socially poisonous crap wont be polluting the hearts and minds of millions of people, and you may have to go and do something productive? Boo and Hoo. How about you just quit your fucking unions and go work on local cable.
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Jan 08, 2008 9:35:06 PM CST
People's Choice Awards: What the Golden Globes COULD HAVE BEEN.
by pennsy
Hear me out, OK? The WGA fucked up, IMO in getting the GG's cancelled.
If they had granted a interim waiver, you could have had 20+ million people watching next Monday as presenter after presenter, winner after winner do their level best to explain why things are at such an impasse right now. Explain the issues directly to us, the viewers. It would have been one hell of a bully pulpit. But that's been lost. Fortunately, the People's Choice, of all shows, are seeing one actor after another - Joachim Phoenix, Reese Witherspoon, Katherine Heigl, Chandra Wilson (so far) give shoutouts to the writers and voicing their support of the strike. The PCA's are turning out to be what the Golden Globes *could* have been. A forum for the WGA.
But it's not too late to get the word out to an 8-figures audience.
The WGA, IMO, needs to relent and grant a waiver to the Oscars; the audience for that is always ABC's largest of any given year. If there are no picket lines, everybody who presents, who wins, who's interviewed on the red carpet can explain why this strike is happening and embarrass the producers into going back to the bargaining table. What's ABC gonna do, have a 7-billion second delay so the comments can't get through on the telecast? Not likely. -
instead of BSG makes me want to nuke the PCA's, mind you. :(
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Jan 08, 2008 9:38:13 PM CST
Bummer. Gossip Girl lost out to Moonlight for Best New Drama...
by pennsy
Kristen Bell frakked out of a TV award again. :|
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No prob. It's not like there is a lot of mainstream press covering the WGA's position (News Corps. owned by...Guess who?)
I think that some people really don't understand the concepts that led up to the strike in the first place. The writer's contract was expired. Then when they wanted to renew, and asked for a fair increase in regards to revenue already being generated and they were denied by the Studios. And they weren't denied because the Studios couldn't afford it but because they want them to accept the worst deal possible, so it is more lucrative for their own bottom line. -
I hope the Oscars do get cancelled either. I hope they can work something out before then or at least, push the telecast back until they do. I'm actually more concerned for the new 2008 season than the Oscars at this point. They *really* need their jobs back more than another pulpit.
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http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117978718.html?categoryid=18&cs=1
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A few years ago, the entire Oscar collection was stolen from a warehouse in downtown L.A. This so-called homless puke "supposedly" rescued them from a dumpster the villain dumped them in. All but two were found. As a reward, the Academy gives him two tickets and decks him out so that he looks like he won the "Mack of the Year Award." Turns out to be his cousin stole them, tossed them in a dumpster knowing that they were too hot and he couldn't sell that hunk of metal and made his other cousin look like the hero. Made the Academy look like jerks. The perpetraitors got to watch the awards ceremony from the Greybar Hotel.
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The MPTF is a WGA approved fund but there are others as well. fans4writers[dot]com has links on their page for donations and fundraisers., -
I'm not going to miss the self-indulgent freak show that most award broadcasts have become.
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Fuck Off. Where on earth did you pull that rant from? I was only pointing out to you that you were being disingenuous when you said the writers hadn't stopped anything and had no power.
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and Big Jim is putting it more eloquently than I could- Unlike Jesuschrist who is just hysterical. My question is, Buffywrestling, in music when an artist signs a contract he receives a royalty based on sales in all media forever- why isn't this applied in film? sure the writer may take an advance rather than a fee up front, but then his residuals would pay more at the back end. Or has this been vetoed by the studios?
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...He should get off his fat ass and finance, produce and distribute the media himself. Oh, he cant? Then shut the fuck up and take what your given, moocher.
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They are not asking for a lot in the way of royalties. I just think that it is a negotiation matter that should be done on an individual basis- as in music.
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A couple of articles. First one from EW on Nov 9. 2007 has a bit explaining the business of writing in Hollywood
http://tinyurl.com/3c3kc7
And the second, explaining a bit more about why they get residuals.
http://tinyurl.com/37vfgh
There is more info on the FAQ guides at fans4writers[dot]com - this one is pretty indepth, seems like they scanned all the info from as many sites as they could- , holllywoodunited[dot]com and both WGA sites (east & west).
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Without awards shows, where will all of the little starlets wear all of those fancy, skimpy little dresses that result in all of those nip-slips that i love so very much?
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P, WGA most likely sacrificed GG exposure to get at NBC financially. I'm not sure how much advertising $$ will be lost, but the negative press alone made it worth their effort (in their minds, anyway). I'm just going to miss the show itself - always more fun than the Oscars, and about two hours shorter.
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and having read both articles it hasn't changed my question at all. Why is it not like the music industry where the songwriter receives royaties on his song in all media- as they all come from masters? I am just amazed that Film does not work the same way.
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Who cares, as long as we get some nice hq photos of the female celebs in very revealing dresses.
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But I have to TV show on VHS ( cant find me the DVDS tho).
There's a scene where frank has to pose as a guy in a locksmith shop. He goes to grind a key and it zips out of his hand and up out of view, presumably stuck on the roof. Later, the guys he's tailing stop by and he gets them to reveal something important to him. As they leave, the door slams, and about 500 keys fall from the root on Frank's head. That cracks me up everytime.
Oh and the tall detective who is so big they only show him from shoulders to his knees in the frame. Frank looks up and says, "yo u got some food on your cheek." The guy wipes (above the view) and a whole unpeeled banana falls to the desk. "yeah you got it."
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It does an excellent job of illustrating how the actions of both sides have led to this strike. I knew the AMPTP were being hard-nosed assholes but I didn't know how much. Wasting weeks of negotiations by arguing that residuals should be abolished, most likely in an effort to get the WGA members to think they should stay with the old deal because "it's better than nothing", is disgusting. Being that stubborn on such a basic point is the definiton of "not negotiating in good faith". However, the fact that the WGA took weeks to persuade the AMPTP that residuals were necessary may reveal a lack of skill on the part of the WGA negotiators.Honestly, if both sides really are this far apart I don't see this ending anytime soon. If the prospect of the Oscars being cancelled, along with the threat of the networks having nothing for the upfronts in May, doesn't bring the AMPTP back to the table, then I fear nothing will. Or maybe all this needs to get settled is for Schwarzanegger to head over to the the studios and start knocking some heads together.
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Because the Golden Globes are cancelled hey're giving Spielberg's Cecil B. Demille award next year but there could have been new Indy IV footage in the usual montage of his work before they gave him the award this year!
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...Because its not the same. If McCartney/Lennon write a good song, it doesn't take a lot of technical or financial competence to record a quality version of it. A film writer is just a cog in a highly technical and expensive machine. It would be like an architecht asking for Royalties on every hamburger sold out of a restraunt he designed. You should also factor in that a musician DOESNT receive royalties automatically. The publisher does. Remember how Wacko Jacko bought up the beatles catalouge? Film writers could be in exactly the same position, if they were as necessary. Don't sell your script if the studio doesn't meet your demands. Its pretty simple. The problem is, most television and film writers are sub par hacks, and need to take whats tossed to them. Do you think JK Rowling would ever need to strike to have her demands met? No. Because shes trading a commodity that is in demand. You could hire a monkey to put out some of the work the bulk of the WGA do. Like most unions, sadly, its less a case of the weak collecting to protect themselves from the strong, but a case of the weak grouping together to get a free ride from the efforts of the strong minority.
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That was pretty good.
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Personally, I think the film's outstanding profits can be partially credited to "The Dark Knight" trailer's premiere. I'm not saying Will Smith can't bring in a crowd, but look at the statistics. The fall/winter seasons are notoriously poor in the box-office arena (with a few exceptions - i.e. fantasy films, such as, "Chronicles...Narnia", "Harry Potter"). Even "AvP: Electric Boogaloo" bombed and that's the kind of schlockfest the general public sheds cash for! Many of you may argue that you wouldn't pay ten bucks to see a trailer you could see online in GLORIOUS QUICKTIME, but let's be honest - it's only the most hyped film since "The Phantom Menance". And look at how much money Universal Pictures made from that film's teaser alone. I should also add that I'm a fan of Richard Matheson's novel; which, oddly enough, is the reason I haven't seen this remake yet. Of course, this is extremely off-topic and I'm just rambling so...
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One of the best movies of last year. It came out at a great time. Only competition was shitty horror and dumb ass comedies. It was great. Even if the Dark Knight was not on it, it still would have made money.
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Sorry if I misunderstood your point. There's enough knee-jerk hyper-reaction in these talkbacks, and if I unintentionally did the same, my bad.That's why I don't usually post in these talkbacks. BTW, kudos to buffywrestling for making the points I should have made and way better than I probably could have. I do stand by my intent though in saying the greater burden is on the producers to share the immense wealth they make on the writers work. And I still think lecter's POV was poorly thought out. My thoughts were from a place of wanting to see friends taken care of. I will admit I'm less than neutral on the issue.
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I guess the simplistic answer would be : Because the Studios won't let them; that's not how they do business. The Hollywood business model is unlike any other workers model. Writers are defined as "laborers", not "artists" because the do not own the work that they create. They create it and sell it to the studios, who then become the owners. Copyright law for artists entitles them to keep ownership, for which they get royalties. Writers get residuals because they sell their ownership.
However, there is such a thing called "Fi-core", standing for Finacial Core Status (This term is used in all labor negotiations). In effect, if a writer (showrunner, what-have-you) decides to fi-core, they keep the WGA health & pension plan; in fact, they get to keep everything that WGA memebers get except to say that they are WGA members.
So why don't more people go this route? It's probably better for them finaically and they get to start working again immediatly. One response I've heard is that if the studios won't deal fairly with the collective, what makes you think they will treat one lone person favorably? This seems a bit like peer pressure to me but I'm still reading up on it. -
This article was released yesterday by the same EW reporter. He has a definite way of hitting all the pros & cons of the strike so far, doesn't he?
http://tinyurl.com/3x6blq
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Try making a living based on your merit, instead of using a collective to pressure another person into supporting your unworthy efforts. Losers.
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My life is over. How can we go on without one of the endless orgies of industry back-patting and self congratulations?
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No, the publishing rights are entirey different. Whoever buys the catalogue or whatever still has to pay royalties on the product itself.
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cheers guys. So basically, as I understand it- the reason it doesn't work like music/ publishing is that the writers are coerced by the studios into selling the copyright when they sell the script? That's wrong, and a serious abuse of a position of strength,
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Don't like the deal? Don't sell them the script. Simple, really. Or make it a stipulation in the contract when you sell that you receive a royalty. If you can't get it, I guess you should look at taking up song writing.
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It's a stranglehold, baby.
They are coerced. Because that is how business in Hollywood is dealt. It used to be worse. People who wrote "The Honeymooners" and "I Love Lucy" get fucking DICK. Because the writer's strike in 1960 caved to studios (We will start residuals.....Now!. Wait. I mean, now!!) And again with the strike1988, the writers have a deal for VHS that covers todays DVDs.
I mean, just think about that. The proliferation of DVDs in this day and age and they still get the same pay as VHS. It's like not getting a raise for 20 *fucking* years. Considering how lucrative DVDs are and have been for the last five years...
It's like cumming in your hair and calling it "styling mousse".
(Maybe that only happened to me though.)
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Contract? Royalties? I don't mean to burst your bubble....oh wait. I don't have to. The studios will do it for me when you start demanding "stipulations".
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If you don't like the contract, or don't feel that you are getting your moneys worth, DONT SELL. Keep your script in your drawer. If your a gag writer, don't write no gags until they meet your pay demands. Of course, as I said, most of them suck. Jesus, just look at who leads the WGA. They aren't in that position, because you could hire an illiterate hobo to do their jobs. Thats why they need interlinked unions to close down other necessary portions of their industry, until the weak, lazy and stupid get a share of the pie created by those who did the actual work.
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...Why should they get a share of the DVD money? Did they press the fucking things? Maybe they created the packaging and boxed them. Or perhaps they stocked the shelves to retail them, or...or nothing. They did nothing. Like I said, if someone sells a plot of land to a developer, and down the track the developer sells the plot of land to Wal Mart, is he entitled to royalties from any product wal mart sells from that location? They wrote the script. The script was purchased and used by the studio to create a product. End of story. They are now out of the loop. What annoys me most about the television writers striking and shutting down production is that they are unnecessary. If they were an integral part of the system that deserved royalties, them stopping work would be enough. But everyone knows it isn't, because they are useless hacks who can be replaced at any time. Thus they have to interfere and ruin other areas of the entertainment industry, with help from sympathetic unions, to get what they want. Since their absence poses no threat to anyone.
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...Its not the writers shutting down the globes, its the lack of stars. You know, the actual drawcards? The people who generate money. Just look at I Am Legend. The writers 81 years old, finished the fucking book in 1954. Yet some douche "writer" is pocketing a bunch of money for making unwarranted alterations to the material to justify his union gauranteed job. And yet, why the fuck did audiences line up? To see Will Smith. The majority of writers, like the two losers who run the WGA should be thankful to earn minimum wage for jobs that aren't even necessary, let alone demand a share of profits they in no way help to generate.
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In regards to your first comments (5:42am), I believe you are suggesting that writers should not do the job that they were hired to do because any "illiterate hobo" can do their job. That may very well be. I await your script. *cough*Hobo*cough*
Your second set of comments quite lost me. This is a labor dispute about money between factions - nothing more, nothing less - yet you try to dissimulate issues such as packaging and Walmart? If I was some sort of logical person, I might suspect that you had bigger problem about not liking your job stocking shelves at Walmart.
Re: comment 5:53am - I believe your beef is with the studios for hiring Will Smith and the adapters to butcher Mathesion's story. And yes, GOD DAMN those fuck tards for doing what they were hired to do. Pretty soon, I'll be expecting those fuckers I hired to mow my lawn to actually mow my fucking lawn. If they think I'm going to pay them for doing what I tell them to do, they have another thing coming....
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You are still a mark.˛
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Mow my lawn!ˇ
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I understand your ire- but really I think you are being a touch harsh. The reason that they can't not sell the script is that writing is a highly desirable profession and if they pass up their chance then the studio will just go and get someone else. The fact that they are being co-erced into signing an unfair deal is not the point. I do agree that it should be like music and sorted out in the contract, but you can't do that if the side with the power is unwilling to negotiate. the other point is that your packaging analogy is totally off the mark- say a designer designed the better doorhandle for cars. He could patent it, and then would receive a payment for every time the doorhandle was used. The fact that it is only 1 part of the whole process doesn't devalue the contribution to the car that he has made. And the fact that he is not physically assembling the car every time does not detract from the fact that he deserves some small payment for every time his idea is used. I do agree that the vast amount of writing on TV is fucking dire- and writers in themselves are not a draw, but a bad writer can spoil a film- see the continuing mystifying career of Akiva Goldsman.
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is the ridiculous amount of hyperbole and invective been thrown around by both sides. When it started there were writers popping up stating obvious bullshit ike: "your average WGA member only earns $4,000 per year" which is complete horseshit- that effectively means that their hobby pays 4 grand, not to mention the various attempts to paint a pay dispute as a battle with "the man"- and on the other side there has been the stupidity of "I don't pay my plumber every time the toilet flushes". It's really quite irritating.
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The AMPTP put out the number that the "average" writer made $200,000 per year! (not lying at all; go to the site www.amptp.org). But you break it down, and you have the showrunner making 100 g's progressing down to the couple of assistants making 10 grand and it averages out. It's bullshit math; taking the highest paid showrunner and adding the number of salaries underneath him/her, and dividing it by the people involved. The WGA has sympathic math but the AMPTP has trickies math.
But I agree it can be irritating. I hate math :/ -
and you can manipulate figures any way you want. But there is no way in fuck that the average WGA member makes either $4K or $200k. Both sides are, frankly, lying in a pathetic and transparent attempt to alter public opinion. Load of horseshit in every way- if the argument is kept simple then it is VERY resolvable in a manner that leaves no side fucked- All the studios should be doing is asking themselves: "Should the writer's get their residual". If the answer to that is Yes, then they should ask "What percentage are they asking for". If it isn't a lot, they should fucking GIVE IT TO THEM- if it is too much then they should negotiate. It really isn't that hard.
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Because residuals are in fact, left-overs. If the shit that writers create makes nothing; they get nothing. If it makes something, they'd like a percentage (not even all of it, just a bit). Like it says in that EW article that I linked:
Three days.
It would only take three days if they both came together in good faith. I wish they would. But - true story - the CEOs are at a spa in Colorado this weekend. Maybe when they get back... -
isn't it some ridiculously low amount like 1/3 of a percent.
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is that if the studios do not think that morally or fairly the writers are not worth residuals (and there is an argument for this) then the second question becomes redundant. This is especially true for TV writers, who are effectively salaried employees.The level of hysteria from the studios leads me to believe that they don't think they are being fair, and are obsessed with crushing the union not resolving the issue
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I'll understand it more the day I'm able to walk into my boss' office and demand he pay more a few more bucks because he's still using that laptop I repaired for him last June.
Once that works out for me, then I'll understand the Writer's Union on this one. Until then, DUR? -
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3ib7d80868802f32c7418d127a7366649d
I hope all of the WGA members here get their residuals. -
My ire is not at the studio. Selling Will Smith is what they wanted to do. My ire in this case is at the Unions, who force the studios to spend money for no reason on hiring people they don't need to do a job that doesn't need to be done. Whatever happened to idea of a free market, or supply and demand. If you can't get what you demand for your services, because there is no demand for it, perhaps you should look at changing industries? If I was the studio, why the fuck would I give you a penny more than I absolutely had to? If you have a commodity that the other party wants bad enough, they'll pay what you ask. If you don't, then you should go back to the drawing table. But forcing a companies other suppliers to boycot them, and threatening to ruin the lives of people unrelated to the issue, just to get a company to pay for something they neither want nor need is just plain wrong.
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You are absolutely right. I'm all for the writers wanting more money but they are ruining, absolutely ruining peoples lives over an issue that some of them have absolutely nothing to do with the writers situations. And the writers say..dont blame us, blame the studios for not giving us more money. SOrry, they dont have to give you anything. And since they arent meeting your demands does not give you the right to hold the careers and aspirations of innocent people hostage.
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...to fire anyone.
There is currently no contract in place, nothing legally stopping the studios from using material submitted by non-WGA writers. If they're so concerned with A) the jobs of "innocent people" and B) losing millions of dollars in ad revenue, why don't they step outside the guild? -
Because then who the fuck acts in and shoots the movie? Just like the Golden Globes. They were happy to go ahead without the writers, but SAG wont let the actors go in. So there you go. The only good thing that could come from this is if the studios put more money into their independant units who can finance or pick up quality indie material, and put their marketing budgets behind that instead.
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OK guys, I'm completely impartial as I don't think that most writers deserve the money they get (especially TV), but I also do not think that the studios are being fair with the refusal to negotiate. I despise organised labour- they consistently manage to fuck things up for their members, and bully non-members into joining their spurious and irrelevant union. My wife for example works in an office with a very large union. She refuses to join as she really doesn't see the point in paying money to them every week for, frankly, nothing. As a result she gets harrassed by them on a weekly basis, and to add insult to injury has to abide by a stupid pay negotiation that they brokered which is completetly detrimental to both union and non-union members. My own background is music (on the label side) so I was curious as to whether film writers were paid in a similar fashion to songwriters. According to the reading I did, it seemed they were getting shafted by the system. If that is not the case then, fair enough.Tourist- re supply and demand. In all media there is a massive supply inbalance- this has given the buying party far too much power for an equitable result for all parties. Generally, supply and demand does work and correct inbalances like this, but this is an artificial situation- and is therefore never going to naturally fix itself. When this happens it is only fair to intervene to correct it. I personally think that they should be paid in exactly the same way as songwriters- a small fee and then a small royalty from "dealer price" (which is not the amount paid at the box office)- but they get to keep copyright. If the film is a success then they make the money in all forms of their creative work forever. If it dies on it's arse then they should be thankful that they picked up a small fee up front. If it is successful then they can look forward to never having to work again. That would be fair. Zombie on salaries, the point I was trying to make is that both sides are lying. I doubt very much that the average WGA member pulls in 200K per year, but sure as fuck they don't make 4K. I'm positive that most of them do well, or they wouldn't do it. Simple as that. On control- this is the root of every fucking strike in the history of strikes, and frankly the WGA have absolutely no business at all trying to extend their influence into things like reality TV. That's fucking appaling and they should get a slapped wrist for it. Finally, unions striking in concert is a sad depressing reality of organised labour. They really should not be able to hold the lives of people not interested in their pay dispute to ransom, and it is galling when they act like the wounded party. As I said, I understand both sides, I think their current pay scale is unfair, but I don't like the way they are going about correcting it.
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This is what the increase in wages breaks down to according to WGA:
For Sony, this entire deal would cost $1.68 million per year.
For Disney it would cost $6.25 million per year.
Paramount and CBS would each pay only $4.66 million per year.
Warners would pay about $11.2 million per year.
Fox would pay about $6.04 million per year.
NBC/Universal would pay $7.44 million per year.
MGM would pay only $320,000 per year.
All the other companies would assume the remaining cost of about $8.3 million per year.
Here is what some of the companies made (2006):
GE- 163.4 Billion. Time Warner-44.2 Billion. Walt Disney-34.3 Billion. News Corp-25.3 Billion. CBS-14.3 BIllion. Viacom- 11.5 Billion. Rupert Murdoch take home salary was 9 billion; Sumner Redstone's was 8 billion. -
By the way, the pay I cited is accurate and comes from the WGA contract of minimums. Four grand a week, minimum. On top of that, 30 grand for contributing to one episode of 60 minutes or less. That’s PER EPISODE. Eight grand for rewrites. Two grand to rework dialogue on set. All of that is in their current contracts and That’s the minimum. And that is for each and every writer on a show. Next time you watch the Simpsons, check out how many writers they have.
Writers never make the minimum unless they are just hired. There are only 12,000 members of the WGA, by the WGA own admission the average wage is over 200,000 a year. And over half of its members earned (not on average, but actually) over 100,000 a year. I used to think cast members of Saturday Night Live didnt make a lot of money, until I found out that on top of the pay they make, they also get everything I mentioned above. . . and that show still sucks.
John Ridley, a WGA member has already come out and said the strike is stupid and causing more harm to writers then anyone else. Barry Adelman a WGA member tried to work out an agreement to get the Golden Globes on TV, but said the rebuff came not from the studios, but by WGA members. Matt O’Neil, another WGA member has come out and said he did support the methods of the strike, until he saw a e-mail circulated by the WGA intending to intimidate any WGA that spoke out against the strike. Soap writers have already said the strike was horse crap and went back to work. Todays new York Times wrote;
“Still uncertain is whether doubts about the conduct of the strikers will provoke organized resistance. Writers, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they feared retribution by other members, said last week that at least 50 prominent writers have formed a network of dissent.”
Trust me. No average WGA member gives a damned about 4 cents per DVD. They hardly care about animation and reality being added to their Union. That’s why the strike is crumbling as writers do their best to strike deals or cite “Financial core” status to do work for some studios, or ignore the strike altogether and now are speaking out. It’s because Union bosses just want to make their little empire even bigger. -
Ouch. The truth hurts, eh?
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They are asking for a 3% increase, a total $151 million over three years.
http://tinyurl.com/3x4bqn
No where on the WGA site does it have the number $200,000 . That the WGA has admitted to this number is a complete falsehood. The $200,000 average was in a press release from the AMPTP. The WGA has a breakdown of their average numbers here:
http://tinyurl.com/2rjwqp
In regards to the "network of dissent", while this shadowed group was never proven to exist and was thought to be blown out of proportion, I did hear that Jeffery Katzenberg made his own inquires towards the AMPTP and was just as stonewalled as WGA negotiators.# -
The Golden Globes will now be untelevised. Since NBC - a stuck company - is not going to airing any footage, the WGA is no longer picketing the Golden Globes.
The Weinstein Company has made a deal with the WGA, that is the exact same as the deal for Worldwide Pants and United Artists (The same deal presented to the Studios). The WGA says that there are more deals in the works and will be announced when finalized.
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