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You Know What’s Interesting About Matthew Fox?? He Knows Stuff About LOST’s 4th Season!!
SPOILER ALERT !!
I am – Hercules!!
Entertainment Weekly has an interview with “Lost” star Matthew Fox, and he seems determined to defy an appraisal offered by Seth Rogen’s character in “Knocked Up.”
Invisotext on!!
* Fox says at least one “decoy ending” was shot for season four.
* Fox was told who’s in the casket.
* Jack wanted to get everyone off the island but couldn’t, which explains much of his third-season-finale angst. (Kristin Veitch at E! said a few weeks ago the four other escapees were Jin, Sun, Sayid and billionaire Hurley.)
* The survivors who make it off the island become celebs.
* When asked if season four will deal with time travel, Fox says yes. “What is this island? Where is this island? When is this island?” are the questions Fox says the audience is dying to know.
* Fox suggests there may not be any more survivors suddenly promoted, like Nikki and Paulo, to major characters.
* “I'm telling you, the story is going to charge and move rapidly in the next 48 episodes,” Fox tells EW. “One of the knocks on the show is that it hasn't moved fast enough. Part of that was because [co-showrunner Damon Lindelof] felt like he didn't know when to let it go. Now he knows when to let it go.”
If EW writer Dan Snierson asked Fox what he thought of Seth Rogen or Judd Apatow, the answer didn’t make it into Entertainment Weekly.
Read all of Snierson’s interview with Fox here.
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yeah, baby!
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January 31st.
Wife and I are there.
With bells on.
Little, jingly ones shaped like Hurley.
This season is going to be veeery interesting.
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at my apartment. Anyone in Omaha is welcome. Also, what the fuck did Rogen say about LOST? I must have missed that.
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what was said?
Also, what's the deal with season 4 now then? Have they just decided it's going to be an 8 episode run or can we expect to see the remaining 8 by the end of the year if the strike is resolved in time?
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Lost not making it through more than eight episodes this season because of the writers?
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"the story is going to charge and move rapidly in the next 48 episodes"
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Ben: "Matthew Fox from 'Lost'? You know what's interesting about him? Nothing. Will you tell him he's an asshole for me? Someone needs to. Like who gives a shit? Maybe it's just me. Maybe I just don't give a shit. I'm just saying he deserves a beatdown." In an interview right before the release of 'Knocked Up,' Judd Apatow explained the dig at Matthew Fox thusly: "Well, I don’t have to clear their names to poke fun, but so many people are desecrated during the shoot when people are improvising that I never want it to be in the paper, because it’s so unfair to all of them. And we really think a lot about who we are joking about and why. We hope the spirit of it is not unkind. So, Matthew Fox – there is obviously nothing wrong with Matthew Fox at all, but it’s just funny for a goofy guy to have an issue with Matthew Fox because he’s so handsome and successful. He’s the first guy you would go, ‘I don’t like that Matthew Fox guy!’ And it’s funny that he doesn’t like Steely Dan, because a young guy that age who is into Wu-Tang Clan would not like Steely Dan. I love Steely Dan! I couldn’t like it more! My wife is about to kill me how much I put Steely Dan on. So, I’ll put on ‘Katy Lied’ on and just loop it. But, it’s all in good fun and hopefully no one takes offense for it. I would! But, I obviously don’t. They slammed me on ‘The Simpsons’ once and I still feel it."
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Is causing tension between the showrunners abd the network suits.
This could impact how the rest of the series plays out.
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when that plane crashed.
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Nobody cares anymore, that's it.
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We were discussing this at the Big Lost Talkback (Room 23, or Node32774 if you will) yesterday. Great interview! http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32774
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The show is going to "charge and move rapidly in the next 48 episodes?" I would hope so, since that's all that's left!! KUBRICK!!!
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is that what he's saying will happen in this even more truncated season 4?
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god dam it..
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Just sayin...
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I just read the first few lines...didn't want to know about that Cally news! Oh well, it's not like your topic title was misleading, lol. I guess it's more my weak will power when it comes to Galactica...thank god i stopped when i did!
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Are they still planning on splitting up the last season to 10 episodes this year and the last 10 next year?
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When you've read it about 47,000 times, it won't be AS funny any more.
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You don't know.
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If I remember correctly they stated something similar to Ribbons post in the commentary track. Rogan and Apatow were saying they had no gripe w/ Matthew Fox it was just a funny riff because they couldn't imagine someone having any issue with Matthew Fox.
I had heard rumors though that Fox was kind of a dick on the Lost set and cast members had issues with him, so at the time the movie came out I assumed the Knocked Up joke was playing on that. -
Damn it. Though if they decide to delay airing Lost so that they could do a straight 16 episode run, I wouldn't have a problem with that.
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Sure you have. It was just called Nine Months, She's Having a Baby, For Keeps or about 50 thousand other identical movies. (Uh oh, I just said something not positive about an Apatow film. Hope I don't get banned.)
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You forgot to add "...but funnier"
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I do not have the will to quit the invsotext, nor the crack!!
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Jan 05, 2008 3:28:10 PM CST
I met Matt Fox at the 'Mr. and Ms. Smith premiere' and...
by darthmrbelvedere
...as much as I LOVE Lost, he really came off as a conceited douche bag. He was standing by himself at the sign in table, and a few teenage fans told him how much they loved him on the show and he totally ignored them. Like, they tried to get his attention from 2 feet away for a few minutes and he refused to speak to them or look in their direction. Uggg. he really is an egomaniacal jerk, but I DO love the show very much,
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And I totally know he is a complete jerk who is evil and kills babies. Geez...
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...to the planned "48 more episodes"???
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...1) Seth Rogen's character meets Katherine Heigl's in a club. She blows him off, but he persists. She reaches into her purse and gives him a face-full of pepper spray.
2) Rogen Meets Heigl, she gets shitfaced, they knock boots. A few weeks later Heigl's attorney calls Rogen to inform him of her pregnancy and adds that not only does he now owe child support, which will be garnished from his wages, she has also filed for and received a restraining order against him. He is not to go within 1000 feet of her or call her at any time.
3) Rogen meets Heigl, she blows him off repeatedly. Finally, Rogen slips roofies into her drink and escorts her stumbling form out of the bar. Heigl's friends, concerned that she left with such a creepy loser, summon the cops, who track Rogen down due to his previous citations on record. They burst into his shithole pad seconds before he has his way with Heigl. Rogen ends up tossing salad for some lifer for 10-15. -
Jan 05, 2008 6:51:25 PM CST
I almost don't want the plot to speed up
by guy who got a headache and accidentally
I kind of like the Russian Novel speed of plot progression
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I just realized this after watching the Republican debate.
But here's my question about myself. Why do I see the word "spoilers", not want to click on it, then click on it, then read the article thinking I won't highlight the invisotext, and then highlight the invisotext? Am I possessed? -
is it just some elaborate hoax or what.
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in the opening scene
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Crystal Skull
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It's currently 4th in the top ten!
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We have to go back to the real Lost Talkback.
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to make all these viral sites. and who the hell writes them all? and decides all the characters? Have the marketing dept gone mad or I wonder if the creators of the show planned all these facets out.
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just see it as speculation:
There will be a Huey coming in on the Island. Some evil people will say: "We can take 6 of you with us, but on the condition they will do all we ask them to do. If not, people remaining on the island will die."
I think Sawyer has to stay. The list of people going - as mentioned above - could be right. But who is Kate staying with at "present" time? And what stories will be told about the four others going? I think the person in the casket is someone we haven't met yet. I could be a child... Let's hope there will be more than 8 episodes this year. -
Anyone know what happened to the other Lost talkback?
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Is it like the millenium bug? Is it written to not go beyond 10,000 posts? Or a fitting memorial by a webmaster to end it on the 10,000th? I think it deserves a mention, or an obituary on the main site.
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The person in the coffin is Michael. A man, from New York who is survived by a teenage son. The funeral is held in a black neighborhood. A person who is so despised by Kate that she refuses to have anything to do with his funeral.
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I recieved this from Moriarty when I e-mailed.
It's the size of the talkback. You guys wanted to hit 10,000, and that's fine, but as a result, you're running into a buffer issue. The system's not designed for talkbacks that big.
Drew McWeeny
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Is that we ether broke it or the webmaster turned it off at 10,000. So I say we make this talkback ours untill the 31st?
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I predicted a week ago that the pent up accumulated talkback energy would be discharged as a result of letting it go to 10000, and the emp blast carried for miles, its signature registering on scientific earth monitoring stations all the way to the arctic.
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Nice one, Ghost
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This looks nice and new...lets make this thread unbeleivably large too...haha
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This loads so quickly....im not used to it...namaste one and all and well done everyone....let the lostback part 2 continue
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So its been great having our little Lost community. 10,000, man that something. Its been a great time.
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yes,they dub it in Germany.In Germany they dub everything!But our cable has 2 channel audio(1.original audio,2.dubbed audio).Sometimes dubbing works well like for LOST,sometimes it sucks pretty bad like for HEROES.In HEROES they dubbed all the dialogue from Hiro and Ando in German and when Hiro speaks with other people his "GERMAN"goes on a very heavy accent,and back with Ando it is fluent again!And imagine most WWII movies,where everybody speaks German!But for Lost they did a great job(Jin subtitled German speaking Japanese).
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posted on the other TB but as you know it is working no more.Good work anybody involved!
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Do geeks go out on Sunday afternoon?
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How is the bonus stuff,deleted scenes and so on?Is it worth the buy?
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Congrats pb. I guess there's no doubt who hit 10, huh.
I actually wrote the powers at AICN last week and asked them to clean the double posts like they used to. Funny thing is even though it only shows the first 10,000 posts, the top talkbacks keeps counting.
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hello again! Is this the new Lost talkback?
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Stranger in a Strange Land
As Kate and Sawyer journey back to the main island with Karl, who is exhibiting effects of the brainwashing video, they argue over whether to go back and save Jack. On Hydra island, as Juliet's fate rests in his hands and a power struggle within the Others ensues, Jack recollects the time he spent in Phuket, Thailand and his relationship with Achara, a mysterious tattoo artist.
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Good to see you here too!
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I just found it too. Looks like we blew up the other one. I just bookmarked this one. One of the old talkback crowd said something above about making this the new one. I hope node, et al find us over here.
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Had to get that in there! Season 4, here we come!
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Hope you read my POST above,theBigE?
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She`s HOT!
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...moving out of an old home into a much smaller but accommodating apartment while you wait for the new home to finish being built.
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the KIDS come home!
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From PwnedByStallone to Node32774 to Node35204? Just wondering! I've bookmarked this too, let's keep it going until Jan.31 (or later, for our overseas friends!)
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Thanks for the info about the show in Deutsch! This page loads so fast, I don't know how to handle it!
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Season 3 was in March last Year.
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I'm ready to keep the watchback going (already watched the next two episodes.) Hopefully everyone else finds this place!
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It doesn't take 5 mins to post anymore! My laptop doesn't cry thinking about having to load however many MB that page is...
I do miss seeing the infamous "I'm Sick of Lying" at the top of the page. Whenever I see that line in the actual show I suddenly forget its not just the name of the talkback...
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Not sure I'm ready for that yet! Glad you found us here too - let's keep it going 25 more days!
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Jan 06, 2008 5:50:35 PM CST
Can any of you tell me if the DVD Boxes Of LOST are good?
by travis-dane
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ioncluding the dvd b oxes. i have all 3 seasons.
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Though I haven't listened to much of the commentary, it's great to be able to watch the show sequentially without weeks-long or months-long breaks! I hear the commentary on season 3 is outstanding. The bonuses aren't bad. I honestly haven't watched much of the bonuses from season 1 or 2, but I didn't get them until late this summer so I really haven't had time. I'm sure I'll watch them again next summer.
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now if they would only bring back the office, my life would be worth living again
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just postponed due the writters strike. Hopefully we will all get our fill of she great Shrute soon. Unfortunately I doubt if it will be until next season. At least that what she said
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Jan 06, 2008 6:33:43 PM CST
If it stopped at 10K, why does the Top TB's say, 10033?
by l.h.puttgrass
? Just wondering.
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the box sets are great. I recommend buying them all and watching them in their entirty each weekend. My girlfriend wasn't into it until we did that, now whe can't wait until Jan 30th. Trust me, you won't be dissapointed. Have a good one.
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I have Seasons 1&2 on DVD. I have Season 3 on Blu-Ray. I haven't popped it in the PS3 yet. I've been too damn busy.
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Can someone tell me what the song is in the last episode of Season 3 (during the flashforward) when Jack is in his car (I think he's on the way to the funeral but I could be wrong as it's been a while since I saw the episode). Thanks in advance.
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Jan 06, 2008 6:45:16 PM CST
Goodbye, 'I'm Sick!! Of Lying!!', you were a wonderful Talkback.
by l.h.puttgrass
Last 24 hours posts: 78, 77, etc. Kinda like a viking funeral, isn't it?
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I had some one on the phone.
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Jan 06, 2008 7:26:32 PM CST
L.H.Puttgrass:It is ok,over here it is 2.30 in the morning...
by travis-dane
and since I was awake yesterday until 6.30am to see the BIG 10.000 i am pretty much done right now.
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I'm no expert on forum buffering and engineering, but rubbing some neurons together I assume that new posts getting registered in the system and actually appearing on the TB are handled seperately. But enough of that...we're on our way to 10,000 posts...Again! :-) Anyway, bring on the new season. I thought it would never get here.
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Cholera's Ghost gives the last new Lost Talkback Till 2008 FIVE STARS!!
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Mr.Nice Gaius?
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sorry to say, but I guess i am one of the idiots who got hd-dvd. Those sets come with seven disks. I didn't get the hd set, obviously, because the don't have them. after all the announcements today, I guess I should have waited for blue-ray, but it was a gift and I am thankful for it.
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Scentless Apprentice by Nirvana.
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There's supposed to be some Blu-Ray only extras in the set. Sticker on packaging says,"2 exclusive Blu-ray Features". They are as follows: ACCESS GRANTED: Rethink what you know about the show with an interactive panel that unlocks answers to your most pressing LOST questions. BLU-PRINTS: Take a guided tour of the island through never-before-seen blu-prints. I guess I really need to get off my duff and pop this set in my PS3. All I did today was play around with my new Garmin eTrex GPS tracker. A friend of mine, who gave it to me for Christmas, thinks I should go 'Geo-cashing' with it. Oh boy. Running around the planet with a GPS tracker and a shovel looking for hidden stuff. "No Ma'am, don't call the police! I'm just Geo-cashing. In your garden. Um, sorry?"
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Last 24 hours posts: 78, 77, 76, 75, 74, etc. Soon it will sink below the water and give it's final hiss as the flames go out. *sniff*
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no need for excuses my man!And you will get alot cheap HD-DVD`s soon!That`s a good think,enjoy it while it lasts!
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What happened to Mr. Nice Gaius?
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Because of some TECH problems.Thought somebody had some news maybe.
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See you all tomorrow!
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If no one can fix the problem he'll have to register a new account. I suggested he come back as MNG2: No More Mr. Nice Gaius.7th place, 67 posts now on "I'm Sick!!"...good bye, you magnificent bastard. You dared to reach for the stars, and touched them.So anyway, we need to talk about LOST. A strong case was made for Michael being the one in the coffin by NoahTall. I can't think of many good counter-theories.
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Thanks man!
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The coffin is too small! It doesn't look normal size for an adult man. So by that logic it is NOT Michael in the coffin. Then again, it would make no sense whatsoever that no one would show up for a child or a teen's funeral. Has it been confirmed that the obituary states that the dead victim is survived by a teenaged son?
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Node 32774. They are still there, if you don't get the white screen of death. They make for good reading in spots. Especially the ones that were posted as the original episode aired, nearly 8 months ago.
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Whats Geo-Cashing?
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Found this on www.tailsection.com
I posted it awile ago on the Lying Talkback. But since this debate has reared its ugly head again (I say that with love) Im posting it again
Whos in the Coffin?
My last two "Unanswered Questions" articles have been criticized by some for going over queries that are crustier than day old bread. That's why this time I've decided to tackle a question that none of us were talking about prior to the season three finale: just who was that in the coffin at the funeral Jack attended? There are many possibilities, so let's take a look at them one by one and see if we can outsmart those crafty writers.
The only evidence we can use to decode who was in the coffin is the fact that Jack said it was neither a friend nor relative, the knowledge that Kate had no interest in attending the funeral, the obituary, and the fact that this person's death nearly caused Jack to throw himself off a bridge. We don't have much else to go on, but it's quite amazing how many possibilities come up just having that information.
Ben: The most common guess seems to be that Ben was in the coffin. It's quite possible that no one would attend his funeral, because he didn't really grow up in America and wouldn't have an abundance of friends. Of course, the real question is why would Jack want to throw himself off a bridge over the death of one of his enemies? Is it possible that he misses the island so much that the thought of Ben dying makes him weep? It's an idea, but I don't think this is the correct answer. In a way it just feels too obvious to me, which immediately makes me think it must be wrong.
Sawyer: When Jack arrived at the funeral home, he seemed like he was hoping to see someone there, and also attempted to give somebody a call. The person he would most likely want to see is Kate, and he even asked her why she didn't attend the funeral, as though he expected her to be there. The fact that Sawyer was hated by many people in his past, and was known to go by an alias, would easily explain why no one attended the service. Could "John Lantham," the name posted in the obituary Jack read, be yet another alias for James Ford?
Most people discount the Sawyer theory, due to Kate saying "he's going to wonder where I am" while meeting with Jack. Kate easily could have been referring to a son she had since leaving the island, or to another man she married. There's also the fact that Kate didn't think about attending the funeral, which we'd assume she would due to her relationship with Sawyer. Of course, we have no idea what their relationship will be like by the time they escape the island, and it's quite possible that Sawyer will do something so horrible that Kate wouldn't dream of attending his funeral. I think the idea of Sawyer in the coffin is a strong possibility.
Jacob: We know so little about who, or what, Jacob is that I find it impossible to speculate on whether he was in the coffin. Sure, his name starts with a J, and the name in the obituary started with a J, so if you want to run with the Jacob theory, go for it. As for me, I say there's not enough evidence to support such a claim.
Juliet: If the obituary didn't specifically state that it was a man who was found dead, this wouldn't be a bad guess. Though unless Juliet gets a sex change or pulls a Crying Game on us, this theory is an impossibility.
John Locke: Few people have a more contentious relationship on Lost than Jack and Locke, especially after Locke's acts of sabotage in season three. Plus John is easily the type of divisive personality that would make one castaway weep for him while the other wouldn't dream of going to his funeral.
We know Jack desperately longs to get back to the island in the flash forward, and no one represents the power, mystery, and allure of the island more than Locke. John is also the person who always tried to convince Jack that leaving the island was a mistake, and it's possible that John's death, which appeared to be a suicide, was a strong reminder to Jack about how they never should have left. John Locke may be the most likely candidate for the role of Coffin Guy.
Michael: Speaking of people with contentious relationships, take a look at Jack and Michael. They were good friends until Michael killed a couple folks, sold out the Losties to the Others, and sailed away with Walt.
We also know for a fact that Michael is returning to the show. Though the details of his return remain unknown, I believe he could be the person responsible for leading the "rescuers" to the island. If he truly did lead these people there, and their intentions actually are malicious, he could easily become a character who the other Losties wouldn't mourn for a moment.
But where does the name "John Lantham" fit in? Here's another wacky theory: Ben was convinced that due to calling for help from the rescuers, everyone on the island would die. What if, instead of dying right away, the castaways are being picked off one by one by this mysterious organization after escaping the island? Michael may have entered some sort of Witness Protection Program, changing his name and leaving his real identity known to only a select few.
In fact, even if it isn't Michael in that coffin, I'm willing to bet that "John Latham" is merely a pseudonym for one of the Lost characters we already know.
John Lantham: This is the theory that the person in the coffin is someone we haven't met yet in the series. As with any theory, it's possible, but I find it highly unlikely. The mystery of who is in the coffin seems to have been intentionally left open for us to debate and discuss all year long, and I just don't think the writers would do that if it were impossible for us to figure out the correct answer. I'm fairly certain it's someone we're already familiar with.
After thinking about all of the possibilities, my final bets rest on Locke or Michael, with Sawyer coming in third. I know someone out there is going to wonder why I didn't mention time travel, or alternate timelines, or the possibility of Jack attending the funeral of his alter-ego from a different dimension, but I'm choosing to stick to more straightforward ideas. At least this time.
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this is the new lost talkback? I don't like it , its too fast and convenient to post.
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Try using wikipedia, Pa! Geocaching is an outdoor treasure-hunting game in which the participants use a Global Positioning System (GPS) receiver or other navigational techniques to hide and seek containers (called "geocaches" or "caches") anywhere in the world. A typical cache is a small waterproof container containing a logbook and "treasure," usually toys or trinkets of little value. Today, well over 480,000 geocaches are registered on various websites devoted to the sport. Geocaches are currently placed in over 100 countries around the world and on all seven continents, including Antarctica. Have to get up away from the keyboard to try it! I'm just giving you a hard time - don't take me too seriously!
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He lost alot of weight. Alot. And ate his legs... because he was hungry....
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being in the coffin. you'd think he'd want to live/die there, unless jack, kate and co. somehow dragged him off the island when they leave.
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www.geocashing.com I guess you could say it's like a scavenger hunt, but with the internet and GPS satellites and a GPS receiver and possibly a shovel. And depending on where someone's hidden something, possible tresspassing! At least, for me, that's in the back of my mind.
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That's what it is, pa. Hey theBigE. Where did you get that name? Ever been on a really big boat?
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Jan 07, 2008 12:22:10 AM CST
Hey, I just posted 10036th on the 'I'm Sick!! Of Lying!!' Talkba
by l.h.puttgrass
This code is very strange on this site...
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Matthew Fox is on the cover of Entertainment Magazine and the interview that this talkback links to is in the issue. I recieved mine yesterday.
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If you ever change your name, it should be MR. 10,000!
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Well, I call the top bunk!
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We should all call ourselves Mr. 10,000. Everyone contributed a lot to get there. I just happened to be there at the right time.
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for filling in with the Top 5. Great topic too btw.
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The LOST tb is reborn in all it's glory!! Thursday Jan 31. LOST party at my house. Anyone from here who lives in Omaha (or close by) is welcome.
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how do you like the new pad? lol
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What the hell is this shit?
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I just mentioned the top 5 posssible episode titles as a joke, but people ran with it. Partly because we had so much White Screen of Doom happening. Travis D, I don't know what exactly you're seeing, but it's scaring me! I hoped we were done with the white-screen thing.
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...sorry. Had to.
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With the old microsoft explorer theres no problem.Trying to figure out whats wrong!
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I loved Jack's comeback to Tom about the kind of people they are. Nice to see it voiced so forcefully to one of them to illustrate how "good" the good guys really aren't. Nice glass house reference by Tom as a comeback to illustrate how the losties ain't that perfect either.
I had forgotten they took Jack to Sawyer's cage.
I thought the question and answer session between Kate and Karl was interesting. Then Karl goes off on a tangent aboutno moon and making up names for the constelations. And Sawyer's response was, "Y'all have back yards?" Classic.
Isabel was a creepy sherrif. More at the cage than during interrogation.
You know I usually like Asian women, but Bai Ling does nothing for me.
Sawyer has a very interesting bedside manor. Walk up, roll your eyes and hit him. Call him Bobby to boot. And the scenes with him and Kate were spot on. You could see she "hated" him. And late in the episode when he has her face that is priceless.
I do love the scenes with Ben and Jack. Bedside manor. Cutting deals. And I can almost never tell when the bugged eyed SOB is lying. Juliet doesn't care about you Jack may come back to surprise us all.
He walks amongst us, but he is not one of us. That's what the tatoos say, but it's not what they mean. So what do you think they mean. In the context of this show that could mean mostly anything. It could be what Bai Ling said. It could be he's better than we are. Or maybe it means Jack's not who we think he is.
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Some of us over at the old place that hit 10,000 were doing a Watchback. We watched S1 and S2 until sometime in Oct, and have since started an S3 Watchback which ends Jan 30...the day before the S4 premier.
Our "schedule" is to watch and episode 4 times a week (Mon, Wed, Thurs, and Sun), and post our thoughts on that episode the following day.
As you may have guessed, last nights episode was Stranger in a Strange Land. Each day there is a new episode, I (or one of the other old place watchbackers) will try to post what that episode is for that night.
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Tricia Tanaka is Dead
Kate is still struggling over their decision to leave Jack in the hands of the Others as she and Sawyer return to their camp. Meanwhile, Hurley finds an old van in the jungle and attempts to use it to help a fellow survivor in need of faith and hope. Flashbacks reveal more of Hurley's tumultuous past with the numbers curse.
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If you use Fiefox and get no background graphics(you see just the letters,no blue boxes,no quick TB form box,all white...)then,DO THIS:go to your Firefox toolbar above,klick on EXTRAS,then choose the second option from below(i use the german Firefox,so dont now how the option is called in english)Then delete everything accept your passwords.Then open the JAVA-CONSOLE(also in EXTRAS)and press "g" on your keyboard.That should do it!At least worked on my PC.Hope it helps ya all!FUCK THE WHITESCREEN!
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then I woke up naked in the jungle...I like this new site and all but we need to get back......
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If teh golden globes are cancelled or moved back and tehn hopefully the actors will all do the same for the Oscars.....the industries biggest event....that wold cause a few problems for alot of the Hollywood moneymen
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we just hijacked this talkback to coninute the other one.......
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I have had the flu over the past few days adn have spent my illness watching lost...im on 'Greatest Hits' now already..
Dear god did that season pick up teh pace or what..just finished 'man behind the curtain' and my head is lieterally fried..
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www.geocaching.com
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http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20169546,00.html?xid=email-alert-lost-20080107-item1
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Venom - I love the new Talkback. Its a lot faster, No white screen, the haters are already gone (not that we coundn't have taken them out with our combined strength) and we picked up a few new friends to join our ranks!
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I mentioned when we hijacked this talkback that I had e-mailed the webmaster about the White screen and Moriarty e-mailed me back explaining the problem. Well I just got done e-mailing with thanks on behalf of all of us. I think that since we did take up so much valuable bandwith, etc. that is would be good for who ever wants to to also send a thank you. This is Moriarty's e-mail moriartyaicn@yahoo.com, I couldn't find Herc's e-mail.
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etc. that it would be good
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How does it feel to be the first person ever in AICN history to hit the 10,000 mark....?? bound to be a nice warm feeling like drinking lots of McCutcheon's whiskey
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Onward & Upward!
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Just sent him a wee simple msg along the same lines as yourself there...we have to remember that they could have easily said 'We need the bandwidth so were going to have to shut this big boy down' but they didnt..possibly due to the fear of a c4 weilding Locke
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we are in teh backyard of 'Im sick of lying now?'
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Oddly enough, if you use www.geocaShing.com it directs you to www.geocaChing.com. So I didn't think I had messed up the spelling. Again, thanks for catching that.
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Seriously, what the shit?
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I absolutely love Lost. But with all of this writer's strike madness, and the future of the 2nd half of the season very much in doubt (not to mention the show's entire future - what will the lasting, long term impact of the strike be?), it just seems like there's no point watching any more. What, watch 8 episodes only for an indefinite cliffhanger? Not a very exciting prospect. Of course, I would say the same thing for just about any other scripted show right now, except for the Wire and the Shield which were scheduled to end anyway and have both finished filming.
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MP, node, pa, BigE, CV, etc...good to see you guys.
Nice idea about a thank you note. I'll send one too.
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Mobisode #10 - “Jack Meet Ethan”
[Jack is going through suitcases. Ethan walks up.]
Ethan - You’re the Doctor, right?
Jack - Yeah. That’s me.
Ethan - Well, I heard you were rounding up the medicine, so I figured you might want this.
[He opens a suitcase.]
Jack - Whew.
[Laugh]
Ethan - Jackpot, right?
Jack - Guy must have been a hypochondriac or something. Where did you find this?
Ethan - Jungle. I’m Ethan, by the way.
[They shake hands.]
Jack - Jack.
Ethan - Thank you, Jack.
Jack - For what?
Ethan - Getting those together, having a little perspective, you know. [Says something unintelligible.] Most of them still think we’re going to get rescued any time now.
Jack - And you think I don‘t?
Ethan - No, I think you’re smart. And I think you’re looking at that girl, [looks at Claire] knowing that you might actually have to deliver that baby here. I know that’s what I’m thinking.
Jack - Well, it’s nice to know I’m not alone.
Ethan - [Laughs.] You’re definitely not alone.
Jack - If she does go into labor, at least I know I’ve got an assistant. [Ethan looks at him and looks away.] I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to…”
Ethan - It’s all right. Don’t worry about it. Anyway I’m glad the meds.
Jack - Thank you.
[Ethan gets up to leave.]
Ethan - Jack, um, my wife died in childbirth. And our uh, our baby didn’t make it either. [Jack looks at him, but doesn’t say anything.] Well, let’s hope we’re both wrong and the rescue boats are on the way right now.
Jack - Let’s hope.
[Ethan walks away.]
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I didn't contribute but read every word. Thanks for a great talkback. Now stop posting 8 and 9 empty posts in a row in some forced, "woodstock 2" way to try to commercially fabricate something that was magic, but is now in the past. If this thread is destined to become Sick of Lying II, then let nature decide. You dont need to spam 8 and 9 posts in a row just to try to re-live some kind of internet memory.
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anymore ep. titles
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I haven't watched it, but remember the annoying hypochondriac that kept bugging Jack in the first few episodes and then just suddenly went back tobeing a background character? Well Im guessing thats his suitcase that Ethan brings to Jack. I love how they weave little things into latter episodes & these mobisodes. Love also love how we learn more about Ethan and his past.
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"I don't think this episode should be ruined or spoiled, it needs to be seen, especially to be believed, and so viewers can see added nuances to the storyline. Giving away little bits and pieces, truths and half truths is not really fair.
Yes things don't end well for Jack and Kate in the ff portion. But we knew they weren't well for the two of them as a couple or as individuals at the end of through the looking glass.
But what is critical about the ff is Kates attitude, who Kate has transformed into as a person, and the dialogue in these scenes. Kate may have a kid. The paternity might be revealed in the end. Jack might tell Kate he loves her. Kate might slap Sawyer in the face. I might be lying. You wont know until you see the show. Enough said.
Stop begging for spoilers. Stop trying to spread the information around on the Internet. If you keep digging around one of the best episodes Lost has ever created will be ruined for you. I understand some people want that. But those posts usually happened the day before the episode airs.
One reason I like Andy (DarkUFO) and have used him to dish out spoilers for multiple seasons now is the way he has respect for the casual viewer and withholds some information. Stop giving him a bad time. Stop emailing him only about Sawyer/Kate/Jack "shipper" issues.
Be a fan of the whole show, not just who ends up with who. You'll find out in almost two months and it will not disappoint you."
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That to me explains why Ethan kidnapped Claire. I guessing that maybe he thought that if he kidnapped her that in some sick way he could drug her and that she would fall in love with him and he would get his wife & kid back so to speak. I even remember Ben saying that Ethan was not suposed to take the extreme messures that he did. I response to a previous comment in someone waltchback, Tom probably didn't know that Ethan killed that 815 background person. Im guessing that Ethans wife got pregnant on the island.
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the end of season finale was just another step along teh path of Jack and Kate......we could have a ff in which tehy end up together adn are shown dying as old folk......there is no boundary to where it can go
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It was kinda creepy. First hearing Ethan talking about Claire, my sweet Claire, knowing he would kidnap her later...and remembering that look on his face before he did.
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the Jack/Kate/Sawyer part about how in two months we get a diffinitive answer on the triangle.
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I allways had the feeling that they all died in the crash and are in HELL!Sounds funny,I know,but often when I think of Lost it comes to mind that allmost all Charakters have done some pretty bad things.The Others seem real Demon like and are some bad fuckers!It is just a theory and maybe someone else has posted something like this,but it could be possible.Any thoughts?
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dont forget teh whitescreen a tthe end of teh lostback meant that empty posts were necessary for some aspects... I had a horrible time trying to see what people were saying and only got on after the 10,000 was reached...boo hoo for me..haha
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I love Sawyers captain Bunny killer comment and Karls rambling.
I also love Jack slamming Tom and Tom's glass comment.
Man Bai Lings a skank Theres nothing attractive about her.
Man the Sheriffs creepy
Im betting that Ben had alreadypromised Juliet thathe would protect her when he told her to help Kate & Sawyer off the island.
So why if Jack was told and marked as a leader why was he so hesitant to take charge in the very begining?
So Im wondering what Juliet's marking means? Im guessing that we will find out eventually? It looks like they used a cattle brand or something.
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Lying whore...sorry had to say it.
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concerning Julietts dead kids and mothers on the Island..If conceived on the Island and stays on the Island the mother/child dies...correct
If conceived off the island but born on it both live..yes,check
so Sun conceived on the Island and maybe born(I presume)off the Island...what happens there???????????
does the child carry with it some weird Island powers...or will it spell disaster for Sun and Jin after they thought they got away and safe to have their child....I think there maybe a twist in the tail concerning their baby in a flash forward..
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That stuff with Ethan got me thinking... are there other examples of the Others being violent/killing the losties aside from Ethan?
They beat Charlie around a bit sure and kidnapped Walt...but Ben always stands his ground that they aren't the enemy. There is the season at the start of season 3 where he says 'what kind of people do you think we are' and Jack responds 'the kind of people that would hang Charlie up and leave him to die'. So if we assume Ethan was mental and on his own, is there an argument that they aren't really that bad? I think when the nu-group comes we will see their story from a different perspective. -
They also helped Goodwin kidnap the Tailies
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Caging people up like animals,sneaking around with"people to kidnap lists",brainwash dudes,shooting people and leave them to die on rotting corpses AND WORST OF ALL:KILLING A FUCKING BUNNY!Not so BAD people do it like this:they come to you and say:HEY, WE SAW YOUR PLANE CRASH,MAYBE WE CAN HELP YOU OUT.WE GOT SOME MEDICAL FACILITIES AND HOUSES AND FOOD and so on.But it is save to say:the OTHERS=BAD FUCKERS(or Demons from hell)!
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2 good points. The whitescreen was a lot of the reason for extra posts...something I neglected to mention. Thanks for the reminder.
The other good point is your question. If a child is conceived off the island but comes to the island, everything seems to be okay. If conceived on the island and the mother stays, they both die. So what happens if Sun and/or Jin get off the island?
I think I said in a post on the old place that I thought there was something medical about the death in conjunction with smokie/the island. Let's say a fetus conceived on the island would be perceived as an invading organism. If the island heals wounds and perceives this as a wound, that would explain why they and their moms die.
So logically, you'd think Sun's child was in danger, but only in danger...not out of hope. Getting off the island may give it a chance.
So suppose Sun gets off. Maybe she lives, maybe not...but the child does...at least for a while.
Now think about Jack. All the work he did to get them rescued. Then more effort to make sure Sun got off the island so the child would have a chance. Then one day on a plane you read an obituary.
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Whoever hated this episode, I disagree, it's not so bad. Better than what we get tonight! (I already watched it - again.) Wasn't there mention last year of Bai Ling saying that she was going to be in several episodes? Yet she didn't turn up again last season. Somehow I think we'll see her again in a future season. I didn't really care for her scenes in general, but she was easy on the eye, at the very least. We sure got some crazy Jackface action when he confronts whatshername at the tattoo parlor! This is after his wife leaves him, yes? Sawyer is top notch is this episode again, what with his interaction with Karl, singing that "Jaws" song (what I refer to it as), and not apologizing to Kate. Better than all-comic relief Sawyer, which we get tonight. What did Cindy come to watch? The trial? The execution? How many days in Room 23 did she spend anyway? Jack's still not sympathyzing with Juliet too much, but I think he'd hold her death on his consciounce (sp!), and if she stays alive, he has a better chance of escaping. But I still see him as being un-allied with her at this point. Not a bad episode overall!
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Someone shows up for a child's funeral, somewhere. No one grows up in a vacuum. Actually, I don't like the idea of no one showing for the funeral. If someone is famous enough to get a story for their obituary, then someone somewhere, press or papperazzi, perhaps, will show up for the funeral.
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I thought it was better too. We'll see if things that happened in it actually pay off in future epis.
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I mentioned earlier that I might be in EW magazine this week - but I'm not. I got my issue today and I'm not there. I won an online contest - box office challenge, pick the top 10 movies of the week stuff - and I emerged the winner after 3 months. Beat over 2000 people, thank you! I think I posted the link when I first won a weekly competition back in October. Anyway, they posted my picture and a brief story on their website last month and told me my picture would be in their magazine soon. That was the week before Christmas, but my smiling mug has not shown up yet in print yet. So I'm still waiting - would have been nice to have shown up in the same issue as the Lost 2008 preview!
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How can a gal be too slutty??? : ) They'll have to tie up that loose end sometime. Also, the resemblence between the sherriff and the lady at Desmond's jewelery store is a bit uncanny, don't you think? Any connection there?
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Has he not found our new home yet, or maybe he is busy working (like I should be now!). I think he'd like Sawyer's tune last night. Good to see all the regulars back here - ChrisV, MP, Node, PA, rb, you too Desmondo - and glad to have Travis-Dane and LH joining us as well. Let's get settled in, for it is only .....
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You knew that was coming, right?
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Coincidence only, methinks...
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As I mentioned earlyer I sent a Thank you e-mail in response to Moriarty's answer to my e-mail to the webmaster about the white screen. Heres my e-mail and his response.
Drew McWeeny,
Well on behalf of all of us we thank you for your patience and valuable bandwith. This talkback has ment a lot to us. A lot of great discussions and friendships have came about because of this.
Paul Burrows
And vice versa. You've restored my faith that talkback can be more than a cesspool of racist and vile fanboys.
Well done to you all.
Drew McWeeny
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Nice email and response.
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If Sun and Jin get off the island, we know they want a new life away from dear ole' dad. So who do they know? If they are undercover and have a kid, they end up dying before it does, who's at the funeral?
I keep coming back the the small casket. I keep coming back to how L&C like to play with words. I keep coming back to how they said we had "met" who was in the casket. Well, we saw an ultrasound.
I know it's an out-there theory, and I honestly hope and sometimes think it's totally wrong. I mean, why would Kate be so cynical about going to the funeral if it was a child?
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It's good to see you guys restored Mori's faith in talkbackers...after what I've done:-) Nice going "I'm Sick!!" Losties, one and all.
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So now that Ethan popped up again I wonder if we should open up the great Ethan debate again? Ha Ha
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I was at work when I saw pa hit 10k...I tried several times to congratulate him there, but nothin ever posted. It wasn't til I clicked out into the "real world" and saw this talkback going strong. But couldn't post until I got home from work.
Looks like "Room 23" is officially in Talkback Heaven. But I wouldn't get too attached to this one yet...I have a feeling Herc will have at least 2 more LOST talkbacks started before the premiere...especially if he makes contact with Lindeloff & Cuse...and probably a big bombshell will come out of the new ARG/FlyOceanic right before Jan 31st that he'll want us to chat about. Then...the inevitable premiere day talkback...but hey...this feels like home for now.
Reading over some of the posts here...I had some thoughts.
The Coffin. Some people think it looked "too small" to be an adult size coffin...and it did appear to be a lil snug for a Michael...or a Locke...and certainly a Hurley!! But every shot of the coffin was from a very weird angle...especially the shot looking straight down on it. Someone over at The Fuselage even cut Jack out in a wide shot, flipped him horizontally and showed that he would have fit inside of it. Just barely, but he would have made it. I'm thinking the "size" of the coffin was as much a "prop" malfunction than a conscious effort by TPTB to throw us off any "trail". Also...the obit, as I mentioned back in Room 23, was not suppose to reveal the "teenage son" aspect...that nugget was revealed AFTER the fact by a production assistant who worked on the finale episode. That said...I can't see it being anyone BUT Michael...I think Jack was just surprised that Walt wasn't there, at the very least...and of course, Kate would want nothing to do with Michael after his murderous betrayal of the Losties back on the island. She appeared peeved at Jack for attending. Some might say..."Michael is too obvious"...but I think, in this case, everyone else is a red herring.
Sawyer singing "Farewell and Adieu" from JAWS gave me goose bumps. My favorite SHOW referencing my favorite MOVIE?! I still have a feeling Sawyer will meet his end in the mouth of a Dharma shark. Almost got him once!
Good to see ya again, Maximus...rb..pa...BigE...BrightEyes...Ghost...et al. Nice to have a talkback that doesn't take a week to load...or give you the "white screen of doom". Namaste!
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and it'll only get longer. keep up the interesting discussions.
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I think we lost Darth, hes the only one who hasn't shown up yet. Come to think of it we could have used him with finishing up room 23.
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Not sure if you are keeping up with the billboards for Oceanic Airlines that are popping up in all the cities that Oceanic flies in and out of (Yes...they even put a billboard up in Ames, Iowa!!)...so far they've popped up in 6 of the 9 "destinations"...but now...they are being vandalized! See a pic here of the one in Tustin, CA.
http://tinyurl.com/22wnfp
The one is Seoul, S. Korea is great...and the one in Ames promotes their service to London...with a big pic of Big Ben on it...oh...and guess what time Big Ben is displaying on the billboard...that right...8:15!!
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Spoilers, Spoilers, Spoilers if you want to play the game, but if you just want the story so far here it is.
Find 815 is the second and currently ongoing Lost alternate reality game from ABC studios and the creators of Lost. It began on December 31, 2007 and is scheduled to produce content for players until two hours prior to the premiere of Season 4 on January 31, 2008. The main website as part of the game, Find815.com, will then be available for a further eight weeks before being shut down. The game itself started with a fictitious press release from Oceanic Airlines touting a return to the skies after months of investigation into the disappearance of Flight 815.
The storyline revolves around an Oceanic IT technician Sam Thomas who is intent on finding his love, Sonya, who was on board Oceanic Flight 815 as a flight attendant. Sam has been active in campaigning against the airline's decision to cancel searching for the flight, disgruntled that they wish to move on and resume business. The player learns of Find 815 through a hacked video placed on the flyoceanicair.com website.
How it all began
Screenshots of Sam's hacked video on flyoceanicair.comOn December 28, 2007, ABC Medianet announced via a press release that Oceanic Airlines would be resuming flights on December 31 with destinations that correspond to nine of Lost's main characters' hometowns. A telephone contact was also given for Georgia Cavanagh at Oceanic, who, when called, left a brief message and directed the caller to Oceanic's new website, flyoceanicair.com, starting on December 31. At first, all that appeared on the site was a video advertisement for Oceanic and the new press release. However, on December 31, the video changed to a video hacked by Sam Thomas, who revealed himself as an Oceanic IT technician who had lost his girlfriend on Flight 815 and was mad that Oceanic was calling off the search for the wreckage and bodies. The video also provided the URL Find815.com, which was the start of the new ARG.
Clues by date
Chapter summaries
The game spans five weeks, containing a large amount of information, and as such has been broken down into "chapters". A chapter corresponds to a week's worth of clue solving and trivia (Monday–Friday), and thus there will be five main chapters during the alternate reality game, functioning to summarize and group story developments.
Chapter 1
Sam's notebook with the four clues
Sam Thomas watches a news report about Oceanic Flight 815. After the largest search in the company's history, Oceanic Airlines will reportedly call off all search and investigation regarding the plane and conclude all passengers deceased within the next few days. Sam sees himself on the report, commenting about his missing girlfriend of eight years, Sonya. Sam finds an email a moment later from an unknown sender. It contains a doctored photo of Sonya, with words including "Sunda Trench," "Christiane I," "Black Rock," and "Tell no one, grave consequences" hidden on the photo. After his reply to the email is bounced back with an error message, Sam finds an email sender address in the error message, relating to the-maxwell-group.com. Sam then gets up and looks at maps on his wall. He finds the Sunda Trench on the map, east of Christmas Island, and circles it.
Sam then emails his friend Tracey R trying to find out more about the Christiane I, which turns out to be a salvage boat docked in Jakarta, Indonesia. Sam then emails his friend David Massingham, who is able to get him tickets to Jakarta even though all the planes are booked.
Sam then receives a voice mail message from his "Mum" who inquires about his recent behavior and requests for him to call her.
Sam awakes from the sound of an open window continually banging from the wind. When he investigates and shuts the window he sees a reflection of Sonya, who says "love you madly". He turns around to see his old Oceanic Airlines uniform hanging on his wardrobe door.
The player then sees Sam's room in the dark and, using the cursor as a flashlight, is prompted to find several items in order to see special clues corresponding to each season of Lost. By clicking a Driveshaft CD entitled Live In Jakarta, several frames are shown of a Driveshaft concert showing Charlie in each frame; this is labeled "Driveshaft - your Season 1 clue." By clicking the jewelery box with a pearl necklace found on his side table, several frames of the Pearl Orientation video are shown, titled "Pearl - your Season 2 clue." By moving the cursor rapidly over the rocking chair (bottom-right corner) and then clicking, several frames of Ben in Jacob's cabin are shown, each depicting the rocking chair Jacob was supposedly sitting on; this is titled "Rocking Chair - your Season 3 clue." By moving the cursor rapidly and clicking on an item on the opposite side table you are prompted to visit a "network partner" (Yahoo Seven Australia, if outside Australia) or are linked directly to the game if within Australia. The player is prompted to rearrange Sam's items to fit into his suitcase in order to obtain an "exclusive Clue relating to Season 4". By entering this clue word into the space provided under the "network partner" link, a piece of paper with "Oceanic Hotline - 888 548-0034" is shown.
Upon calling this number (on January 2, 2008), a female voice says:
“ Thank you for calling the Oceanic Airlines Flight 815 hotline. Information is updated as the investigation proceeds. Investigations are thorough and as such may take a period of time to complete. At this time we do not have any additional information regarding crash Flight 815. If you are a family member or relative of a passenger on Oceanic Flight 815 we are sorry for your loss. Detailed information is given during the daily family briefings. This briefing updates families on the progress of the investigation and allows for questions to be asked of the medical examiner or coroner and other parties connected to this investigation. Please contact your accident coordinator or call back later for more information.
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Sam then receives a new email from Oceanic letting him know he has been terminated due to his repeated bashing of them in public. He then sends an email to Austral Air looking for a job.
The player then views a video diary on Sam's video recorder, where he discusses his plans to propose to Sonya and how he is flying to Jakarta to depart on the Christiane I to search for a shipwreck.
By examination of the "My Progress" button, all aspects of the first chapter have been complete.
Chapter 2
Sam arrives arrives on the Christiane I, but a position for him has not been secured yet. The captain Mr. Achem informs Sam that they're crewed up, and they can't afford dead weight. Then the electronic unit that the captain was trying to install explodes, and he yells for Owen Talbot to get Jakarno on the phone to fix it and that they won't be leaving today. Mr. Talbot is displeased with Mr. Achem as they are already a day behind schedule and they must fulfill his employer's requirements. Sam says that he can fix the electronic equipment. Achem says if Sam can fix the equipment, he earns a spot on his crew. The video then launches in to a game where the player has to fix the equipment. If the player loses it means that Sam didn't fix the equipment in time, and Achem calls Jakarno because he needs a professional.
However, if the player wins Sam successfully fixes the electronics and earns himself a hammock on the freighter. Talbot questions why Sam wants to go to Jakarta. Sam says that he just wants to get away, and Talbot thinks that Sam doesn't just want to get away, he wants to run away. Talbot also implies that he knows Sam's going to Jakarta to find his girlfriend. Talbot says that all of the Christiane I's crew members have been screened by his employer and they don't want any surprises from Sam. Achem then takes Talbot aside and says that all the electronic equipment will shut down when they reach the Sunda Trench, and that he needs to get insurance for that.
Companies behind Find 815
The game was created by Hoodlum, an Australian company based out of Brisbane. The CEO and co-founder of the company is Tracey Robertson (possibly where Tracey R came from). The game is also being worked on by co-founder Nathan Mayfield (who was running the Maxwell Group website) and possibly more staff.
It appears the game was commissioned by ABC and Yahoo7, as both were past clients of Hoodlum. This was unofficially confirmed when, during Chapter 1 of the game, the official sites of ABC and Yahoo7 hosted a game needed to complete the chapter. The initial press release announcing Oceanic Airlines' return to the airways was also released via ABC Medianet.
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If you haven't read Doc Jensen's article on season 4 of Lost at ew.com, check it out. The guy's pretty good at analyzing current theories and he talks a lot about find815.com. He also says that Jan 31st is pretty much the drop dead date - if the writer's strike is not resolved by then, we won't get more than 8 episodes this year. And with contract language being what it is, there will only by 16 episodes still for season 5 and 6 - we'll never get the missing episodes made up. Sucks! I know paburrows linked this yesterdau, but here's a tiny url link to the story: http://tinyurl.com/2qu7dl
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Hurley was cute as a kid. And him firing up the car reminded me of him trying to fire up the van. Him talking to Libby was sad...sweet, but sad. Great lighting in that scene, though. Sunset through the tree behind him Then the talk where Charlie fesses Des said he was a goner, Hurley saying it might be his fault because death follows him, and at that moment Vincent runs out of the jungle with an arm in his mouth.
That's a wonderful opening, but it continues. Charlie's sarcasm about chasing a dog with an arm in it's mouth into the creapy jungle, Hurley not realizing (or caring) it's sarcasm with a great line of his own about telling someone if he wasn't back in 3 hours, and finding the van.
I think I missed the fact Hurley's friend ran off with his girlfriend. I don't remember that at all.
The dart in Sawyer's foot was from the hatch, right? They didn't know the hatch had gone boom, did they.
I have a love/hate thing with the scenes on the beach when there's a reunion. This one when Kate and Sawyer come back may be my least favorite.
Jin and Hurley trying to communicate was classic. When Sawyer walked up it was great. Great hugs, great Sawyerisms, and beer.
Actually, I found myself laughing a lot in this one. The scene at the dinner table was laugh after laugh. Sawyer finding the head. Skeletor. 1000...10000. IHOP. Slapping Charlie. The phrases Sawyer was teaching Jin. Hurley's Sawyerism. Shambala. I like it when they do the lighter stuff. This one was a great reak from all the heavy stuff that's been going on this season.
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I don't think Doc Jensen implied Jan 31 was, as you said "pretty much the drop dead date." What he said was "it will start becoming logistically impossible to produce a full season of shows." To me that does not mean if they don't come back by the 31st we only get 8 episodes. We may not get the full 16, but he specifically said it STARTS to become logistically impossible to get a FULL season.
As far as contracts go, you/he may be right about only 16 for the last 2 seasons, but seems to me if they were contracted for 16 in this season, Bad Robot will either owe ABC money for not a full season 4 or will have to add those other epsiodes to another season.
That's just speculation on my part, though.
But that brings me to another point which I asked back in "Room 23". Couldn't JJ/Bad Robot settle with the union like Letterman/Worldwide Pants did?
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Looks like we will get some recognition. See below.
I wrote...
Hi guys,
Just wanted to drop you a line and say thanks for letting us take up the valuable bandwidth with the LOST S3 finale talkback. We know you could have pulled it at any time, but put up with our desire to keep it going. I think we kept it on topic most of the time, and I hope we proved, as Moriarity said, "Talkback works!! Talkback works!!"
Thanks again,
Rick Brogden (aka rbrog77)
Drew wrote...
Thanks for restoring my faith in talkback in general. You guys are getting a shout-out in my 2007 "Best Of" list.
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I believe a few of the die hards who were on the 'Im sick of lying' Lost thread have sent a wee e-mail to say thank you for allowing us to use up your band width and continue in our goal to keep the Lost debate alive until the season premier. Well I would like to add my voice to those who said thank you and hope that you will drop in from time to time with thoughts on the new season...
Many respects and thanks,
Gareth aka Maximus Prime
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Thanks to you guys for restoring my faith that talkback can, indeed, be a positive thing.
Nice of him to get back to us, im sure he has a million other things he could be doing...
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boo to teh thought of that I think they will make the last 2 seasons 20 episodes....unless Darlton and all are forced to drop 8 episodes from tehir plans....that would not be good
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Mine was browser related,as i POSTED above.Seems to me that yours was something else.Can somebody explain that to me?Would be nice to know.
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Julie Bowen aka Sarah Shepard(I presume) on a UK advert for some anti-ageing cream...she has a nice face
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first of all hello, we havent spoke directly before..haha
secondly teh whitescreen problem was this.....teh most annoying thing to happen ever...it happened twice over on teh old page, basically when u loaded up the page you got the headers and who posted the comment and when u went to click on teh header to read teh comment you were greated by a whitescreen....no comment no nothing, just a plain white screen
this left you with a few choices,(a) run into the hills and cry,(b)bitch about the whitescreen on the topic bar as you could still read it(c)type reguardless hoping that someone somewhere else in the world wasnt getting whitescreenor (d) contact teh AICN web,aster to try adn get it fixed....
my main response was 'b' ......however if memory serves correct teh first whitescreen didnt even let us open the page, whenever u clicked on 'im sick of lying'you were greeted straight away with whitescreen, with no chance to contribute at all....I remember going 4 days without my talkback fix, tehn you would get on for a day and not then whitescreen again for a few days, no good....but in the end whoever was on contacted the webmaster on behalf of everyone else and it got fixed up until about 3 days before we reached 10,000
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teh fist whitescreen problems we had you couldnt get on teh page at all....u would click on 'im sick of lying' and be greeted with a whitescreen straight away...you couldnt get on to read or contribute at all...this would last 4-5 days sometimes and tehn one day you would get on and teh next day it started again....however, some folks contacted the webmaster and he sorted it out only for the whitescreen of doom to appear about 3 days b4 we reached teh 10,000.....
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Glad for this nice "NON-TROLL" TB!It is rare these days!
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So could we assume the mark is a medical insignia? Is it possible that she was going to be marked anyway, but they waiting for/found a time where it was beneficial to them all? Was Cindy and her crowd there to watch the marking instead of to watch the trial...or to see Jack?
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it says that all you US folks will be able to get lost on US xbox live
great for u if u have a 360 and shit for us in Europe who may have a 360 but cant access it..noooooooooooooo
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read the biblical section/references bit... I thought I was really into lost..teh folks over at lostpedia are just mental.. I love it
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The mark is almost identical to the 8-pointed star found on Cadbury creme eggs (which are "Easter eggs"); the writers used this symbol as a red herring for fans who research every minor detail of the show.
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is mad.....maybe u can take anything and mould it to have a relious refernce but this is some seriously deep shit
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I think they get teh main ideas knocked out pretty early on and then just geek the life out of it....everywhere tehy can show thier geekness and level of ingenuity they do so and why not??whens the next time they are going to get a fan base as obsessive and loyal as thier current lost fan base
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don't count them out after this. It might just stimulate them to the next level...whatever that is.
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very good node....whose taking the 1,000..hard to believe after all this talk and discussion and debate were only just over 3 weeks away..scary
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This may have been pointed out alread y...
Some SPOILERS I guess...
It has been said that the Oceanic 6 aren't the only ones to get off the island, but they are the famous ones. I assume that any others must have a reason for anonimity... dual identity, etc. Hence why I think Michael may make sense, he had to go all witness protection.
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my comments way up there about 8/9 posts in a row were about THIS thread, not the other thread. You gotta stop the hating so much. There's no call for being angry at random people on the internet - it speaks of deeply rooted issues.
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Generally speaking, when a movie or novel depicts a funeral in which nobody shows up, its not really trying to offer you a real event, but to demonstrate that someone died, and nobody cared enough about that person to attend - no family, no friends. And I also think it could be Charlie. Why? Because if we're about to enter time travel as part of the Lost universe, then theoretically, some of the survivors might pick up where Desmond left off in the whole 'Keep Charlie alive' project - and as Desmond learned, if its your time to go, its just your time to go. I think we'll learn that somehow, Jack was able to save Charlie from the looking glass station, but ultimately he died alone and in a impoverished area. If Jack was so distraught that he returned to the bottle for comfort, it stands to reason that Charlie would return to drugs to cope, and ultimately that would leave him alone and broke, and his friends likely would have had to give up on him at some point. I can't resolve why Kate would be angry with him, tho I never saw them interact much in previuos episodes - so I can't figure out why she would be angry enough to say what she did, and in the tone she did, about not attending the funeral. Jack on the other hand, I think he's all about trying to save everyone he can, and he'd definately be on board for trying to save Charlie from death.
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see my post above for example.
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after they come back tot he real world Sun dies from complication from conceivin on the Island.....Jin stays in America as he is not a favourite of Mr Paik.....Jin is on the run cause Paik blames him for his daughters death...he is found and killed but it is made to look like a suicide..Jack blames himself for SUns death and untimatly Jins....Kate had no real love for Jin maybe cause of an event after they come back from the Island.....its out there but makes as much sense as anything
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Something occured to me, came to Austrlia to relreve Christian's body in order to take it back to the US for a funeral & burial. What if Jack finally found the body somewhere on the island and the funeral was for his father and he was supprised that not even Jack's own Mother would show up for the funeral of her own husband. Which Im wondering when are we going to get a Jack flashback with his Mother? It would be a lot better then another one with Bai Ling.
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I think the whole 'save Charlie from death' thing was beaten into the ground with the Desmond storyline. How many times did he save Charlie's life? I think we will see Charlie again...but NOT alive. Either in Hurley's head (ala "Dave") or in flashbacks only...and certainly not in the future.
Not saying that the "time travel" theory isn't a possibility (although I pray to God it's not)...I'm just saying there's lotsa other Losties that Jack might be interested in saving before the Hobbit.
One Charlie flashback that we never got to see that I wish we had, was DriveShaft...on stage...at Wembley...at the height of their success...Packed stadium...roaring fans...and Charlie and Liam smiling at each other while rocking out. Every Charlie flashback was such a downer...it would be nice to see just for a brief shining moment that they weren't always on the skids. Perhaps Desmond will take Penny to a DS concert in one of HIS flashbacks and we'll get to see that. -
Then anyone who has died could have alternates, right? Well what if Jack is the one in the coffin? Think about what Kate said when asked about the funeral.
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It makes sense!!!
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Go take a look at room 23. There's an oddity there.
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seeks fame and it destriys him with a little help from his brither of course....his redemption in putting other people first on the Island is rewarded with his death...fantastic arc..im going to miss the wee man come season 4
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for the season opener and this season.. i dont think Lost can continue the way it was going at the end of season 3..there was a run of 8-12 episodes that were nothing short of brilliant......do we expect the season opener to start off at the same pace as the last one finished or will we be eased back into proceeding with the new characters having to be explained..I always slightly worry at the start of seasons(look what happened to Heroes season 2)when they come off a fantastic run like season 3 did... If Darlton is able to pull off the same run of episodes from now until the end of Lost I would be over the moon but I dont think its a realistic goal to continue that momentum...whats everyone else expecting??? to be honest as well, my spirits and hopes have dropped alot with this writers strike and the fact thta were currently getting an 8 episode season...with it being so short they could make the most action packed season yet however I'd rather have it the way the writers (who know what they are at)planned
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just decided to give the talkback one more viewable post..pb got the 10,000...I like the way he got 9,999 as well just to make sure
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I just took a look and saw it. Regardless, I think pa broke it at least since his was the last for days.
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But I think they can continue. There's a lot to cover from previous seasons, and add to that new "rescuers", flash-forwards, getting back...We have to go back!!
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The way that I look at it is we all broke it. Post #250 helped us get there just as much as 10,000 did. Im guessing that the system ether let us see one more post or it deleted a double post ether way at the time I did the 10,000th post. It looks like Travis-Dane did the one after me. Onward & Upward.
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Does anyone remember if we had a wiki discusion of the name? Seems he was an artist who "believed that violence and conflict between the people of the world is the result of ideological differences.He wed fellow artist and collaborator Barbara Steveni in 1951 and together they devised the idea of 'flat-time', based on the theoretical physics of Event Structure."
There's interesting stuff on the John Latham Wiki page about Event Structure and Flat Time, but here's the mother load about flat time...which, if I'm reading correctly seems to be an overview of time.
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didn't we establish that Desomond travelled through time?
And didn't the russian guy seemingly come back from the dead a could of times?
Locke took a point blank bullet in the chest from short range, and he walks it off?
If only I could explain why all the dharma bodies remained dessicated in the grave pit, and Ben's father in the van, and "Adam + Eve" in the cave - oh and the slaves, and Ecko's brother.
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could def be a name one of the survivors took when they got off the Island to remain anonymous and not to go down the route of fame like the Oceanic 6.....I like the way were talking about the Oceanic 6 when we really dont have a clue what the full reprocussion of it is...I wonder when we'll be introduced officially to this name...if season 4 ep 1 is a Hurley flash forward we may get it at the start
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I love what Cheech said about having hope is not stupid.
I just love that moment with Hurley relating what happened with the Others to Libby at the gravesite.
Its funny that Hurley told Charlie that death follows him and right on cue Vincent brings him the arm.
Its funny how he hires his old boss as a regular worker and how morbid he is with TT in the interview and then the metorite hit her.
Man, every scene that Nikki & Paulo are in is horrible.
I love how Jin always gets roped into things just because he doesn't understand english. Just like he did in SOS.
I love how Roger looses his head
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I was sitting the other day and trying to think of wwhat teh Island was and why Ben wants to keep it secret and why people want to get on it??? I came up with a wierd random theory that has probably been said and done a million times before but let me try and put my spin on it....
I think the Island is the failsafe point/the plan B for the world if things go tits up....If nuclear war is to happen or famine, disease etc..and mankind is coming to an end, teh Island is kind of a snow globe in that the outside influences do not affect it...the only thing that stopeed the Island from being discovered so far was the Looking glass..we know vechiles can go to and fro the Island, albeit crash in our flight 815 case but the Island does not have some forcefeild blocking people from getting to it, it just had something to block people from finding it
The medical research carried out on the Island is there to make sure the people who survive and know where to go can be cured if they are injured in whatever is tearing the world apart....only the rich, the very rich will go to the island if worse comes to worse (maybe this links in with our Winmore and Paik stories...)
The reason Ben is soo stuck up in fertility treatment is that he is more concerned about making these privilaged people stay on the island rather than riding out the storm on the island and returning to their own homes off the Island when the crisis is over (be it nuclear fall out or war)they stay til the crisis is over then rebuild their lives back where they came from.....the reasons there is no hotels or 5 star casino there yet is because the natives carried out a purge on DHARMA who were originally there to prep the island for suitability and they aint got round to it yet..
Bne has been preoccupied with setting mind games in motion and fear in the island that if a big event in the outside world was to occur he would be in a situation where he is in complete control...if people are coming everyone looks to Ben becuase they know he always has a plan.....he has had to fight for years to get this respect and has done so using strange and questionable methods (room 23, cages etc..)also the cages and polar bears could be seen as an attempt to prep the island for animals and wildlife that would someday be introduced so food could be taken by people living there and not to rely on food drops if worse came to worse...
teh reason Ben doesnt want anybody coming to teh Island is becaseu they firstly, want to keep it secret cause its his gig, aka he wants to be the one everyone looks up to when the world ends..if rival groups land there, then you have competition and thqat aint healthy in a life or death situation...secdonly maybe he wants to keep the Island as natural as possible, thats why Dharma was purged....leave the Island alone until it needs to be used..
The poeple coming on the frieghters want the island and all its mystical stuff to make money....cures for diseases...make millions if you say u can cure cancer.....tehy plan to rip teh island apart and take its secrets with them..Ben doesnt want that.,,, thats why he keeps maintaining he is one of the good guys...he doesnt want to rape the Island of its natural resources and what makes it special...he has been given the task to keep the islandm pure and ready for people if needed as the last place safe on earth...maybe its mysticalism prevents it from being hit with cancerous rays from nuclear fallout and until teh end of season 3 it was not going to be invaded by warring navies in a hurry,,,again this is a bit of a rant that is everywhere but what you guys think..id there any sence behind this madness I've written, im sure there is holes in what ive written, holes big enough you could fit a Locke powered blown up submarine but let me know what u think and please criticise the shit out of it,,
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I loved Hurleys reunion with Sawyer better then the big reunion earlyer.
Hurleys outburst about his Father returning and his Mother talking about having needs is funny.
I love Sawyer's Skeletor comment also with Hurley's latter Red Neck Man retort.
I love Sawyers english lesson with Hurley with words like beer and things to say to Sun.
I love what Cheech said about making our own luck
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Here are some excerpts from that link I posted.
In a nutshell, Flat Time is a "time-based" overview rather than a "space-based" overview. This conceptual shift permits entirely new perspectives on phenomenology.
There is "passing time" that subjective phenomena whose relativity Einstein observed and quantified.
There is "Time-Base" comprising the relative boundaries of observable events.
There is "Flat-Time" which is the "area" subsumed by both of the above when they are used to form two axes of a flat graph of unfolding events.
It is this "Flat-Time" that creates the illusion of space
there appears to be a steep "slope" in the "pattern of likelihood's" which ensures that the embryo will develop as it "should" and as a very close replication of the way embryos of its species have "always developed". What slight and minute changes there are, comprise what we lightly refer to as "evolution", assuming them to be adaptations in the sequence in response to the environment. As there is no discernable physical record however, they cannot be "space-based" changes in the structure of the cells, but must be "imposed" by some unimaginable "configuring field" that stamps the new embryo with minor changes before it even "comes into existence". Those changes are not made in perceivable space but occur "elsewhere" and somehow "offstage" outside space-time even though such a thing is not even remotely possible according to our current overview of medicine. But babies still get born and species still evolve. We could say that changes are somehow made by experiences of former "performances"
it seems likely and now even generally agreed, that in successive "enactments" of "universe", the same approximate sequence will be followed
It would seem unnecessary to add concepts as local as "divinity" to a vision of such scale, yet it would also appear that the capacity to even truly imagine such a vision in its entirety approaches what is meant by the term "enlightenment". perhaps all conscious life is finally the "knowing eye" whose recursive capacity enables the meta-consciousness of the whole in some unimaginable macro sense.
It would seen clear to the writer that the one component of the whole that which no observer can ever include in a holistic vision is "where they are looking from". This only further underlines the crucial responsibility of the "observer" in the configuration of perception and the consequent boundaries in the "vision" of successive "overviews" for us all. Perhaps in the long run we truly do "create the future" in a macro sense, in concert with all other conscious life in our local universe, but are protected from the crippling emotional responsibility which certainly of this would bring, by the massive differential between the "time-base" of cosmos and the "time-base" of the gnat-like span of a human individual's life.
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Indeed, if true aliens ever appear on earth, it is entirely possible that we will completely fail to even notice them, or they us.
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was a continuation on the episode thoughts.
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I didn't understand all of that, but it reminded me of Dark Matter.
Dark Matter (Wikipedia)
In astrophysics and cosmology, dark matter is matter of unknown composition that does not emit or reflect enough electromagnetic radiation to be observed directly, but whose presence can be inferred from gravitational effects on visible matter. According to present observations of structures larger than galaxies, as well as Big Bang cosmology, dark matter accounts for the vast majority of mass in the observable universe. The observed phenomena consistent with dark matter observations include the rotational speeds of galaxies, orbital velocities of galaxies in clusters, gravitational lensing of background objects by galaxy clusters such as the Bullet cluster, and the temperature distribution of hot gas in galaxies and clusters of galaxies. Dark matter also plays a central role in structure formation and galaxy evolution, and has measurable effects on the anisotropy of the cosmic microwave background. All these lines of evidence suggest that galaxies, clusters of galaxies, and the universe as a whole contain far more matter than that which interacts with electromagnetic radiation: the remainder is called the "dark matter component".
The composition of dark matter is unknown, but may include ordinary and heavy neutrinos, recently postulated elementary particles such as WIMPs and axions, astronomical bodies such as dwarf stars and planets (collectively called MACHOs), and clouds of nonluminous gas. Current evidence favors models in which the primary component of dark matter is new elementary particles, collectively called non-baryonic dark matter.
The dark matter component has vastly more mass than the "visible" component of the universe. At present, the density of ordinary baryons and radiation in the universe is estimated to be equivalent to about one hydrogen atom per cubic metre of space. Only about 4% of the total energy density in the universe (as inferred from gravitational effects) can be seen directly. About 22% is thought to be composed of dark matter. The remaining 74% is thought to consist of dark energy, an even stranger component, distributed diffusely in space.[2] Some hard-to-detect baryonic matter makes a contribution to dark matter, but constitutes only a small portion.[3][4] Determining the nature of this missing mass is one of the most important problems in modern cosmology and particle physics. It has been noted that the names "dark matter" and "dark energy" serve mainly as expressions of our ignorance, much as the marking of early maps with "terra incognita".
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mental stuff......I hope if any of this applies to our Island they can put it in nice simple terms for idiots like myself..haha
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All philosophers in real life...and many more examples of the writers giving the Lost characters 'philosophical' names can be found...John Latham is no exception. It doesn't mean Latham's theories on "flat time" have anything to do with what is happening on the island.
Personally...I believe Latham was the name Michael was given upon returning secretly with (or more likely without) Walt when he was returned to the states. It's an assumed identity...like a Witness protection name...because...whomever is covering up the island and the crash of 815 MADE him take this new identity. He returned without ANY fanfare...and probably without Walt...so when the Oceanic 6 return with lots of fanfare and hoopla...he reaches out to them...or at least Jack...even though he is under strict orders NOT to.
Michael becomes John Latham...and ends up in that coffin for trying to contact Jack...probably about how he was double crossed...and not allowed to leave with Walt...Because Ben LIED to him on that Pala Ferry dock...to make Hurley, Jack, Kate & Sawyer believe he is a 'man of his word".
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is basically Matter that is there but you can't see it.
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...and I don't really, flat time is filling in the gaps between quantum physics and...I forget. But I think it's sort of doing reverse of what we normally think..."space" is the perception, time is the reality.
I thought some of it might apply to LOST. For example, it mentions evolution being changes "Imposed by some unimaginable "configuring field" that stamps the new embryo with minor changes before it even "comes into existence". Suppose evolution being sped up due to time being flat on the island is what caused the babies and mothers to die.
Another was "We could say that changes are somehow made by experiences of former "performances". Sounds a lot like the theories of an alternate universe or time loop without being that, doesn't it?
I thought the fact the writer mentioned devinity in this concept was interesting in how we've applied that to so many things in the show.
I considered the alien comment as maybe a "portal" that normally would not be be visable to aleins or us somehow got opened, possibly answering smokie and the whispers.
But I seriously found interesting "Perhaps in the long run we truly do "create the future" in a macro sense, in concert with all other conscious life in our local universe." This would seem to indicate that the fate v. choice debate might side with choice.
I know I've said this before, but at some point, probably the alternate reality phase, I thought this show was about choice. I remember saying something like we are who we are due to the choices we've made. Changing a choice could change reality.
"We have to go back Kate." So does Jack think he can "fix" things by changing his choice to get off the island?
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It just seems funny to me that we were having a conversation about the people in charge being smart, and the casketconversation. I do a search on John Latham and find Event Schedule (which ties in also) and Flat Time. This is a little known theory that goes beyond space-time. If they are that smart...who knows.
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They've said before that they don't pick characters names at random....at least that what I think I read somewhere.
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Personally I think that Michaels a to easy choice with him having a son & all, like that what Darlton want you to think. Im thinking that its someone else. Although I'll gladly admitt if Im wrong when they reveal it.
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they are NOT at Random...they ARE well known historical philosphers...People with wild and imaginative theories about time, space and the meaning of life...But just because they have theories, doesn't mean it has anything to do with what's going to or what IS happening on the show.
They are also just names. The fact that the writers keep coming up with a 'tip o' the hat' to these great philosophers isn't random...but I don't think we'll start seeing the plot of Lost being directed by any of their theories, outright...but rather in "generalities".
Not sure if the island is truly lost in some 'time loop'...but that doesn't mean the story will accually SHOW that...but it gets you to thinking about those possibilites.
I'm just saying, and I think TPTB are well aware, that they MUST be careful when delving into the "sci-fi" on the show...Some people are DONE the minute they see Smokie..."ok...too sci-fi for me...going over to CSI"....Some are more open to the show getting on the "supernatural side". But there had better be balance...and it had all better eventually have a scientific explanation.
Cuz if Jack starts travelling back in time to the island to 'save' people...and being careful NOT to run into his past self...like some kind of "Back to the Future II" rip off...People are gonna start jumping ship in droves.
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I didn't mean to imply, if I did, that this show would turn into a time travel show. I think the time issues might be confined to the island. If Jack's to go back, maybe he believes that due to changed choices on the island the person in the casket will not die. Not that they would come back to life, just that the island will let that choice be made again.
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Well Matthew Fox did mention Time Travel in the EW article that this Talkback links to.
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Wish I could stick around and chat. Excellent posts and great theories floating around there guys. No rest for the wicked - I'm off to work.
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I didn't get "Time Travel" out of Matt's EW interview...but he did say "WHEN is the island?"...which def implies time MAY be fucked with in some way on or because of the island.
Last year at ComicCon, someone asked the panel about Walt's "advanced " aging...and how Malcolm David Kelly's "growth spurt" since Season 1 would be dealt with moving forward....since only a hundred days or so have elapsed on the island...which still makes it 2004 in the show's continuity. However, it's now 2008, and Malcolm is 4 years older or more than when he shot the pilot episode.
Damon said that problem was always factored in from the beginning...that "Walt's rapid growth will be explained and dealt with"...and when pressed further on the matter, Damon attempted to explain "Well...it's possible that time on the show is not as set in stone as you're being led to believe"...or words to that effect. Just then, Carlton cut him off with a "I don't think you want to go there, do you, Damon?"...and Damon agreed and shut up.
So...we know TIME will play a part...Time TRAVEL? I dunno. That's a huge leap. That's what takes LOST from being a drama with "sci-fi" overtones...to LOST becoming a sci-fi show with "dramatic" overtones, IMO.
So...what are we to take from Damon's musings about time? Well...remember...this was at ComicCon...Months before the shocking reveal that the finale was a flash "forward" and not a flashback. Is it possible Carlton cut him off because he was afraid he might tip their hand too much about the flash forwards to come, and was trying to make sure we were all properly surprised by the finale. Or...was he stopping Damon from getting into subject matters that delve deeply into possible "sci-fi/supernatural" events that are to come.
It seems to me...if they knew from the beginning there were going to be flash forwards, perhaps they knew at some point (because of the actor's age), Walt's story could only be told from the future...thus...get him off the island...and the problem is solved. Walt then only appears as the 2007(8) Walt. This may be why Walt was missing most of Season 2 and only appeared once in Season 3. And the NEXT time we see Walt...he'll be in the future...so his growth is explained.
The other factor to consider is... that the island gave Walt's "special" powers an additional "kick" and he is now able to appear before Locke in the finale "from the future". Something Walt possibly wouldn't have been able to do without his stint with The Others on the island.
But it could also just be that Carlton cut him off because if Damon had said "Hey...time is moving at an advanced rate on the island...the Losties think it's 2004...but in the outside world...it's actually April 2007!"...I could see where if you are told that...your eyes would begin glossing over and you become disheartened that "rules no longer apply" on LOST...that every time the writers write themselves into a corner...they can grab a big magic hat and pull out a sci-fi excuse and "Wah Laa"...the problem is solved. Not sure Carlton would want that just blurted out...but revealed slowly over the course of the show as it unfolds.
So, what am I getting at? I'm saying ANYTHING is possible...but I have a feeling that the core audience wants LOST to be based more on FACT...and not FICTION. Yes...we can put up with "an invisible island"...a "smoke monster"..."an partially invisible man living alone in a cabin", etc...But you also expect there to be semi-logical explanations for these things that aren't going to have anything to do with the "time space continuum" and "flux capacitors".
I'm sure the Dharma Initiative's experiments were greatly aided and advanced by the island's "mystical properties"...but...Super science is one thing....Super science fiction is another thing completely.
I'm just hoping TPTB handle the 'big picture' of LOST with explanations grounded in reality...and don't get too far "out there" (Hello, X-Files) when it's all said and done.
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Ay yi yi! My mind is spinning with all of these theories! I think I'm just going to watch the show and enjoy the ride. Lots of stuff to read here today.
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Didn't get a chance to read everyone elses' comments yet, so sorry if I restate what's already been said. With that out of the way... I didn't really care for this episode. Too much forced comic relief. Hurley's old boss is now his employee? Too much of a stretch. Cheech Marin is normally an enjoyable presence, but I didn't care for his lousy wigs. Right up there with Jack's future beard. Sawyer is "home" for what, 2 minutes, and suddenly he's out looking for Hurley? To do what, recover his porn? Why single out the fat guy, Des and Charlie were just as responsible, and he let them off with pretty much a shrug. Also, who is the random Lostie chick giving Sawyer a hug when he returns? I thought they pretty much hated him on Lostaway Beach! I was digging the 3 Dog Night tune that blasted out of the 8 track, however. We hear it again in Man Behind the Curtain, right? Man, Hurley was a cute kid. Does anyone know a big guy like Hurley that was as skinny as he was at 11 or 12? On second thought, I do know a few old classmates that really porked out by the time they were 30 or so. Just looks so dramatic when they show it with the flashback. Didn't care for Jin playing the ignorant immigrant role, learning our language. I did laugh at Sawyer's line about the only 3 things you need to say to a woman! Has Sawyer been married?? I hope this episode pays off, like yesterday's. Hurley better change his luck when/if he gets back home. Sorry if I sound grouchy, but this is not one of my favorite episodes of season 3. And I've had a long day. Namaste!
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isabell the blond chick who was reading the tat on jack arm dead ?
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If only I could get all of my mind back from being blown by them, Id be happy.
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Since the finale I have always assumed that addressing Walts age means he will only appear in the future.
I personally don't think they will go too far down the sci-fi route. I think early on they said 'nothing on the show can't be explained by scientific fact'. They may have since retracted this, but still Lost is a show which tries to base itself in reality - the Lost experience, Find815, they want us to believe it could be real.
I think they can't stray too far from this into a world of science fiction without losing that feeling that in some ways the Lost fans belong in that universe.
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Isabell aka the sheriff was infact killed in the season finale..she was one of the 10 others killed on the beach by Sayid et al...I cant remember seeing her blowing up on screen but it as confirmed by the writers and creators at comic con (I think it was comic con)
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hasn't ben lost his special connection with the island, like in that ep where some of the others, or maybe it was locke, talked about how he's using a fridge and electricity, etc, and that's why it didn't heal him of his tumour or that thing he had.
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but at the same time I feel he is still trying to perserve what he see's as important in it aka its secret location and secrets.... he isnt raping its natural resources or anything he is using the resources that were left there by Dharma.....
I think the arrival of Locke has shook him bad, the fact that a man in a wheelchair now walks scares him...his importance on the island maybe belittled..remember the surprise Richard had when yound Ben admitted he saw his dead mum..Richard knew he had someone 'special' at that moment..just the way everyone see's Locke as special....i liked the scene where Locke beats Mikhail and Ben asks people to stop it and no one does....shows Ben has lost some of that specialness and Locke is on the way up hence why he shot him.
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Enter 77
On their mission to rescue Jack, Kate, Sayid, and Locke stumble upon a mysterious structure surrounded by farm animals and meet its strange inhabitant. Back at the camp, in order to reclaim his belongings, Sawyer plays in a ping-pong competition.
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Our first real encounter with Mikhail..
years ago me and a few friends watched the Lord of the Rings Trilogy and counted how many times Frodo fell or got knocked over....ther result was in its 50s or something ridiculous by the end of the 3 films...we should count how many times Mikhail is on his arse in this and the coming episodes and the differnt types of beatings he recieves..he got his arse handed to him on soo many occasions -
as were gettign closer to the big day what song would people want to start of season 4 with and why??????
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Elvis Presley..Devil in Disgiuse..
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I love when the fat millionaire PING-PONGS Sawyer to Hell!
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Rolling Stones,fits so good!
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Redemption song Bob Marley
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I do feel like Ben feels threatened by Locke's connection to the island. He does have the air of a 1st string quarterback who just got benched for the back up to come in. But then again...
This is Benjiman Linus...A known liar and manipulator. You saw how he got into Locke's head inside the Swan hatch...toying with him..."Jack ain't the boss of you", etc...
What if those manipulations are simply continuing? What if Ben WANTS Locke to feel more and more powerful. With the exception of finding the Swan hatch, I believe everything Locke has done has been guided by Ben's hand...From taking Cooper to Sawyer in The Brig, to blowing up the sub, to being able to "see" Jacob...to throwing a knife into Naomi's back. Even Ben shooting John and leaving him for dead in the Dharma grave could have been just another "test" that Ben is giving Locke. What if he TOLD the Others, "Look...in a minute...John is going to start beating the shit out of Mikhail...I'm going to ask you all to stop him...but no one move a muscle...we need to make Locke THINK he is in control of his destiny".
I think if anyone believes that Ben is relinquishing ANY control of the island to Locke...then Ben his playing you better than he's playing Locke at the moment. Ben NEEDS John to do these things...even if it causes Ben to appear "weak". I don't think ben has lost ANY of the "specialness" the island has given him...I just think for the time being...he needs Locke to think HE is "special".
Same thing he always does...He got Jack to do the surgery by manipulating him with Kate and Sawyer...even though the surgery almost KILLED Ben...he still got him to do it, as he was fully prepared beforehand to release Sawyer & Kate back into the wild.
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"Tempted by the fruit of another..." Then...WHAM...a car goes crashing through a big pile of fruit. The car comes to rest and 'Tempted' is now playing on the radio with Hurley behind the wheel.
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...and if we're talking about rescue, how about...
Rescue Me by Aretha Franklin
Emotional Rescue
Don't Rescue Me - Devo
Past the Point of Rescue - Dixie Chicks
Rescue Me (from the movie Speed) - Pat Benetar
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wouldnt ya faint if one of our songs started it off.....I'd wake up a day or two later not seeing the premier..raging
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born to run....Bruce Springsteen
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"Shadow of the Day" by Linkin Park...I know it's not 'retro' enough for LOST...but it's a friggin great song.
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It says You're and emotional, sometimes heroic, relatively intelligent person..(I cant spell 'the' right half the fucking time)..you have had some trouble with the law, may have a long lost love, (cant remember that question) and possible enjoy taking long pulls from bottles of good alcohol.......well most of that is right
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Or Back in Black,in case they really return to the island!
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I love the last line,"Freedom FROM choice! Is what you want!"
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And I'm bored.
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"Thunderstruck" would also be a good one!
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on the ISLAND!
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NAPALM the SHIT out of the OTHERS!
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Charlie........
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The Dukes of Hazard theme song since it start with a car chase.
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Your theory could be right, but it wasn't Ben who told Locke to knife Nieomi, it was Walt.
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Dirty deeds done dirt cheap......Ben all over
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for mentioning guns and roses anywhere near the mighty dc but we could have one for the freighties...welcome to the jungle
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namaste
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I've been thinking for awile that my Username is a little boring and now Im thinking that since were not keeping track of how many posts everyone has I figure new Talkback new name.
So I've come up with a few names, but Im open to suggestions and am thinking we could all vote on the best. (With me having the final say of course) Heres some that I've thought of
4,8,15,16,23,42Execute
Enter77
Flight815
WeHaveToGoBack!
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Survery says... I'm Charlie. I kind of figured that. Except for the drugs part. Oh, and I was only in a band for about a week or two.
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Righteous screen name. Didn't they capitalize the SHAFT?
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Time is on my side - yes it is!
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Just looked it up They capitalized DRIVE & SHAFT. Thanks for your help.
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I don't know where, but I swear I saw it listed as DriveSHAFT, spelled in caps just like that. Didn't know there was a debate as to whether it was Driveshaft or Drive Shaft.
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with DRIVESHAFT printed on it in the link. Not that it matters.
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it was all lowercase. I stand corrected
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yeah, I saw your review of TTID and knew you and I were going to disagree. No worries, the show needs levity from time to time, but the tone was so heavy and serious leading up to that episode that it justs seems to "stick out" and not really fit the tone of the previous episodes. Especially when watched directly after the previous episodes. As a stand alone, I agree, it's a much better episode. So does the name "PwnedByStallone" indicate that you were in fact the guy that wrote the question that got Stallone so pissed he went off last year? I just thought you used that name in honor of that classic AICN event. Wow - you really are a legend around here!!! C'mon, come up with another question for the dude!
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Just over 3 weeks left til the US premiere!
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you can hear "You all everybody" in the Background?
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Never got into Alias, so I can't verify that.
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Anyone else want to give their feedback on the choice of a new name from the list above?
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I like enter 77. Makes us look like we're related.
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But I just got done watching that episode. Sounds better than DriveShaft. I was going to suggest an obscure Lost character name - but dude, call yourself Tricia Tanaka, and people will think you're a chick! Call yourself I'm Sick! Of Lying! That would be sweet!
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IIRC, this is where the season really gets rolling! Sawyer kicks it off nicely with some great lines. I loved the "Zorro" "Hillbilly" exchange between him and Paulo. I'd forgotten about the whole "cat" story told by the Iraqi woman (who reminded me of Marisa Tomei) to Sayid. Couldn't figure out why Sayid was staring at the cat on the porch of the Flame. Sayid theorized that Mikhail had just recently come to the Flame, but in flashbacks didn't we see him there before hand, when Ben took Juilet to see tape of her sister? Episodes like this make me want to watch the next one right away! Bring on the next episode!
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just becuase this as u say is the episode taht kicks the show into a gear that it didnt come out of teh rest of the season...what a great fucking episode
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that has something to do with 10.000 man.You owe that to yourself!That was a huge thing man,dont downplay it,be proud of it dude!Do something like:LOST10.000BC or 10.000others....you can do it!
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Jan 10, 2008 6:45:21 AM CST
this episode is another example of why SAYID IS A LEGEND
by maximus prime
He is treuly sorry for his past life and what he did as part of the Iraqi army.....he is doing his best to try and escape taht lifestyle but is constantly forced to relive it or experience it again...
when he was on teh floor being starved and the threat of torture, you can see he was not concerned about his own safety or life he was concerned about forgivness, how many of our losties are truely seeking forgiveness for teh shit they have done in the outside world?????
Best thing is he is not afraid to use the skills that he has to get results, he fights like hell, he can be shot and still beat Mikhail..he is cool in situations and mindful to take maps and otehr things that maybe helpful.....without him I think the losties would have lost their heads a long time ago under the obsessive Jack and the revengeful sawyer...they need a cool, calm and collected head amoungst all the madness....
I think he is underused in teh show maybe to make way for a more prominant role in season 4 but honestly would rather see alot more of Sayid than more of Jack or even Sawyer..we know their characters, weve seen them in different scenarios and different moods, Sayid aint got the chance to show all his personality...he is playing teh role of understated leader perfectly...I think he is in control of things with the 815ers and lets Jack and the other budding leaders beleive they are in control..everyone seems to go to Sayid to get the green light for thier plan..even in through the looking glass, Sayid is the man who is in charge of killing the otehrs and he does a dam good job of it(only for Jin to fuck it up)but the neck snap was 80's victory punch good
I heard a rumour he is one of the Oceanic 6...again these rumours seem to be true so Im hoping we get to see alot more of the man in his prime wrecking the place and maybe just maybe having a little bit of fun on the Island..aint really seen him smile since Shannon died.....oo and also teh Hurley/ Sayid relationship is one of the funniest on teh Island...you just smell the fear off Hurley everytime he goes up to talk to him, its fantastic -
raw hand to hand combat and some shit blown up!And it is a shame that they wasted the BADASS potential of CLANCYfuckingBROWN!
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This kicked ass. There's a (yet another) theory floating in in my thoughts. Sorry, but this show shift's this old brain into overdrive.
"Zorro". "I can see that's working for you" The magazine rack (I missed that last time). TASG with Guns and Ammo and a roll of toilet paper on a stick. Pretty funny way to start of an episode after how funny the last one was.
I love how Sayid handles Locke. He's fed up with John's "holistic", for lack of a better word, means. And he tells Locke they're going to have a rational conversation when he comes back. But what's Locke's response? Kinda like an "Okay, but nothing's going to change" nod. Then they find the cow and the flame station. So Locke's "guidance" worked. It amazing how they make the different characters personalities work together.
Still, IMHO, Sayid is going to cold cock Locke before this is all over.
Avalanch!! hahahahahahahaha. Asking Nikki who she was. And now we have the bet of no Sawyerisms for a week. For "side writing" I love it.
I got something different this time in Danielle's refusal to storm the flame station. It seems like she was telling everyone doing this it was no way to survive, but then she looks at Sayid real quick like You should know better than this. And afterwards, Sayids expression has changed the least little bit...kind of a lack of the usual confidence is missing. I didn't see that last time.
See, the flashback showed him questioning the other iraqi...all that doubt and mistrust. For some reason, that goes away around Locke. If Locke gets Sayid in a precarious postion and Sayid get a chance to take a swing at him because of it, watch out.
Here's another interesting reference that ties in to the finale. Patchy is the last LIVING member of the Dharma Initiative. Now who talks like that? Wouldn't you say that line with the living part? Just like Ben in the finale...every living person on this island will die. So maybe it's a red herring once, but twice? Seems odd.
Come to think of it, D&C said the Losties weren’t dead or in purgatory, but did they ever say the others weren’t dead? Might make an interesting twist on that flat time portal thing I mentioned earlier. The dead or people that died on the island having a way back to our reality. Might also explain the whispers...those that are dead and can see what’s going on but can’t get back to us.
Creepy.
Does anyone read Russian? Wait!! I know someone. If someone finds me a link to those pages Locke was looking at I’ll see what I can do.
Okay, so Ben killed his Dad, came back to camp and everyone there in Dharma was dead, but Dharma, according to patchy initiated the purge. If that’s true, we haven’t seen it yet. Might be nice in a Ben flashback...maybe where we discover what happened to Annie.
Knowing how to cheat makes humans “wonderful”. Interesting Locke perspective.
Funny Hurley was the ping pong choice...especially since he had the most to win from the bet.
I absolutely love the fight scene...especially how it leads up to it...and how it ends with Kate kicking Patchy’s face. And the look on Kate and Locke’s face when Sayid threw back the rug was awesome.
The line the tortured wife said, "That is enough for today”, isn’t that what Sayid said in one of his torture flashbacks or with Ben or Sawyer? He planted the doubt, though.
Those notebooks would have made for some interesting reading, huh?
I also missed the sonar access thing when Locke won at chess...sonar being underwater communication...I think. That’s our first indication of the Lookout station isn’t it?
Remember the old joke about the masochist asking the sadist to hurt him, and the sadist says no? Seems like every time Sayid’s asked to do something his enemy wants he says no. Anyone know what Sayid means in Farsee?
I love Hurley rubbing it (winning at ping-pong) in, and Sawyer being frustrated sitting there trying to fix his glasses. And nice psycho analysis by Hurley of the Kate thing.
The ending Sayid and the wife scene was incredible. Him breaking down, her forgiving him and setting him free, because she was proving herself better than her torturer.
Wish old GW Bush had seen this.
Oops...sorry...
Logically speaking, if Dharma had been overrun by the hostiles and you were in charge of the flame, would you have entered 77? Did Locke do the right thing? Hmmmmmmmmm... I don’t think he knew it was going to blow up, though, not by the look on his face when it did. And the look on Sayid’s face after he explained the situation was almost like this was the first reasonable thing he knew of Locke doing...and it still made him angry.
I started watching this at a little after 9, and it finished nearly an hour and a half later. That’s how much I backed things up. There was an awful lot in this episode, and even though I thought it was great when it aired, I think it’s amazing now. Maybe the "biggest" episode last season. -
When I made my name list I thought of but forgot to add Room23 to the list. It seems that most like Enter77, So between these two which should I do?
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Not Lookout Station, should be looking Glass. Right?
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I got a headache now,but some interesting points there.
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I think Locke did know that he was blowing up the station.... I think Locke was a one man wrecking ball this season in Lost....
Also how good is Patchy, he seemed to be a real good villian especially for Sayid, you could see he was smart and could handle himself...pity he is dead but we definatly not seen the last of him
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cause u could blow something up with it...plus it is Pathcy, Locke , Kate and Sayid related...so its just cool
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what did u ask Stallone to get him in such a bad mood?? haha...brilliant
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Refering to Richards age..the backstory of Mr Alpert and how he came to be on the Island and why he is not teh leader adn why he aint seen Jacob...(well according to Ben he is the only one who can see Jacob, but hands up who believes anything Ben says....I presume no ahnds are up)
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Ben seems to take it to heart and badly when someone says he is lying...For example when Juliett says he lied about his sister Ben went out of his way to prove he was telling teh truth.....then Locke calls him a liar and refers to him as the man behind the curtain Bens face drops and he takes it really offensively...
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FUCKING BUNNY KILLER!
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could the hatred for white rabbits be another Alice in Wonderland reference??
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and beat Ben allover the island!I hate that Ben dude!great actor!
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we had a discussion on teh old talkback of who were would most want back from the dead... Im with u Eko got my vote....he is one of those characters who was in soo few episodes but left a great impression...his death felt very rushed in my eyes..
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But somehow all the other Survivors were killed off in a hurry!WHY?
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alot of the acotrs on lost decide to go out get drunk and drive home.....most of the ones who have been caught at this have been killed off soon afterwards..aka Ana Lucia, Libby and I think Eko ws also caught...
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in the old talkback...they never heard of a taxi....haha
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notpennysboat is actually a very good one
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haha bit pointless now someone has told us what it is but it could be,
snow and cold weather and the men in the artic station again...with the looking glass down anyone who wants to find the Island can.. Penny is alerted after only talking to Charlie moments earlier.....'right lets get this rescue on the way'..Penny and all go to save Desmond and the Losties..maybe it is Pennys boat that rescues the Oceanic 6 and however many more get off...and save them from the freighties
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excellent you got a big set of balls on ya node..
that was a big love in at teh last Stallone Q&A but I do still have alot of respect for him doing it..pity he didnt address your criticisms though.....
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I would mind seeing Under the Bottom though.....sounds like sly is going back to his early porn days..
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I just wanna say that Tom Hanks is a massive tool. PRAISE ME FOR STICKING IT TO TOM HANKS IN A INTERNET FORUMS PLS!!!
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Labels: Damon Lindelof, Writers Strike
WHY WE WRITE is a series of short essays by prominent television and film writers and conceived by Charlie Craig and Thania St. John.
"Today’s piece is written by Damon Lindelof, Co-Creator and Executive Producer of Lost.
I was listening to the news on NPR the other day and two things occurred to me. First, only assholes feel the constant need to tell you they listen to NPR (does anyone ever say, “So I was watching the CW last night…”?) and I guess that makes me an asshole. The second was that in the midst of listening to the story in question, I had finally figured out how to succinctly sum up why I write. It goes a little something like this --There’s this ninety-year old woman named Rose who, after honking her horn repeatedly at the school bus idling in front of her, decides she has much more important things to do and guns her Honda Civic around the bus. Before she realizes that the bus was stopped for a very good reason indeed, Rose finds herself watching a freight train bear down on her and almost instantly, it smashes into the passenger side of the Civic and pushes it a good hundred feet before screeching to a stop. Forgoing all the gory details, Rose is pronounced dead at the local hospital and the attending doctor in the ER is tasked with notifying next of kin. Turns out Rose’s husband has been dead for decades, but she has a couple sons and a daughter. The doctor calls one of her sons and his wife answers the phone. The son isn’t home, but the wife offers to take a message. The notification ethics, however, forbid the hospital from telling anyone but next of kin about Rose’s death and so they ask when the son will be home so they can call back.And the wife responds “He won’t be back for two months.” And the hospital says, “Well… do you have a number where we could reach him?” And the wife says no, she doesn’t. And why not?–
Because he’s in space.
As in outer space. As in orbit. As in one of a handful of human beings who have the unique distinction of not being on the fucking planet.
The son, Richard, is working on the International Space Station doing repair work. And as he floats in Zero-G, he is blissfully unaware that his ninety-year old mother has just been flattened by a train.
I shit you not. This really happened.
And what does this family’s personal tragedy have to do with why I write?
Because to me, this is an amazing story. And as soon as I hear it, my brain is already hammering out the scene where Rose’s other kids debate as to whether or not to even tell Richard. The daughter, Christine, insists on telling him that mom died peacefully in her sleep and holding the grisly truth for when he’s back on Earth. Richard’s brother Michael, however, demands they tell Richard all the gory details. Why? Because it was Richard’s fault she was still driving at ninety. Michael’s been trying to get her into assisted living for over five years now and if stupid fucking Richard had just fucking listened to him, she’d still be fucking alive!
Fortunately, I think, the decision is not up to Richard’s siblings. He is, after all, a member of the military, so this would be a NASA issue. And it turns out in their guidelines there’s this thing called the Dual Plume Protocol. The Dual Plume Protocol, or DPP, was officially incorporated into NASA’s Psychological Charter this year. Let me back up --
In September of 2001, the space station was manned by three people -- an American and Two Russians. As they were orbiting over the Northeastern United States, the American called Mission Control to report that he could see (with his naked eye) two massive pillars of black smoke rising up through the atmosphere. When they answered back, explaining that the black smoke was all that remained of the Towers, the American took a long, sorrowful pause and responded – “I wish you hadn’t told me that.”
As a result of the DPP, NASA started actually asking the astronauts who are leaving the planet what their personal wishes are regarding notifications of earthbound tragedies. And this is like, a very detailed document because it covers everything from worldwide catastrophes (i.e. Katrina or a Tsunami) down to things that would only affect the astronaut him or herself (i.e. their mother’s Honda getting pulverized by a freight train) and it must be signed and notarized before launch. Why? Because the emotional state and focus of these guys is critical. They’re being sent up to perform missions on a space station and after spending millions to train them (Richard is one of three people alive who has the skill set to execute these specific repairs) it costs BILLIONS just to get them up there to perform them and the last thing NASA needs is for someone to go batshit with grief on the day they’re supposed to fix the thruster converter thigamajob.
So I’m sitting there thinking how Richard may have filled out his DPP Form…
And I realize there’s no such thing.
I made it up.
Yeah, I remember hearing about the astronauts on the space station having seen the carnage over Manhattan from orbit, but that’s got nothing to do with the story of Rose’s death. In fact, I don’t know how many kids she had or, for that matter, whether or not they can just send an email to Richard (can you get email in space?) and dispense with all the formality.
But where’s the drama in that?
So that’s why I write.
I write because I can’t help but make things up.
I write because I love to tell stories.
I write because my imagination compels me to do so.
I write because if I didn’t, I’d be branded a pathological liar.
Oh, and also because I’m still trying to make my dead father proud of me.
But that’s none of your goddamn business.
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Pathological liar...sounds familair
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makes me want to read every fucking word that man has ever written. I've only had that with a few other authors, including hunter thompson, david sedaris, and kurt vonnegut. Throw douglas adams in there too. I wish Damon could get back to writing. *sad face*
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how long was that post? I've seen some long-ass posts before, but nothing that made the system burb like that.
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I totally read your post wrong - I'm retarded. I mean, mentally challenged. I mean, learning disables. Oh, I forget what the PC term is these days. I just need to sleep more often. Sleep, and dream ... of ... more ... new ... lost ..... episodes.....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz (do not disturb until Jan 31)....
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I'm not a writer. I can analyze things, come up with far out shit, but getting it all to work is a talent I don't believe I posess.
If you want to get a good idea of how a writer thinks and works, see pa's post "Why We Write": Damon Lindelof of 'Lost'
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Par Avion
Claire has an idea to send a message to the outside world. Charlie, however, is resistant to the idea, and Desmond tries to sabotage the plan. As Claire tries to get the truth behind their actions out of the pair, she remembers traumatic events from her past. Meanwhile, the rescue party encounters a dangerous obstacle.
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A few thoughts before bed....
Goth Claire...mmmmmmmmm
Desmond saving Charlie as well, teh wee man can't get a break
Claire's aunt is a fucking dick....maybe were not finished with her..dick
The worst kept secret in Lost..Christian is Claires dad..
I like Christian even though he has fucked up he does have good intentions
they should bring Claires mum to the Island
Locke throwing Patchy through the sonar fence
the sonar fence(opps wrong order)
Kate straddels a large tree when getting over the fence
oh my oh my oh my....the finale......Jack is running for safety, go on Jack go on..then he catch's a ball..what the fuck??..then he tosses it back to Tom and is laughin.... and then he does a wee stupid im comfortable with these guys girly throw...excellent
This episode is fantastic for taht moment alone, forget the sonar fence, and the discussion about Jacob with Mikhail........thats enough to warrant that episodes existence, everything else is just a bonus...good times
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namaste and good luck to you all..Ill not be on much tomorrow as im working and might go out and get drunk.....I need it after a bit of work..haha.....good luck everyone and talk soon
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oh my oh my oh my....the finale......Jack is running for safety, go on Jack go on..then he catch's a ball..what the fuck??..then he tosses it back to Tom and is laughin.... and then he does a wee stupid im comfortable with these guys girly throw...excellent
This episode is fantastic for taht moment alone, forget the sonar fence, and the discussion about Jacob with Mikhail........thats enough to warrant that episodes existence, everything else is just a bonus...good times
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namaste
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keep up the good work!You guys really know your shit!Got to respect that!
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3 weeks brothers! At least in the US!
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Ex-'Lost' Star Rodriguez Freed From Jail
From Associated Press
LOS ANGELES - Former "Lost" star Michelle Rodriguez has found her way out of jail. Rodriguez was released from a Los Angeles County women's jail Wednesday after serving 18 days of a 180-day sentence for violating probation in a drunken driving case. -
I love this episode for a lot of reasons.
Hurley beating/conning Sawyer at ping pong.
Sayids flashback showing another step in his repentance process.
The whole time in the Flame. I wish that they would have taken some of the binders with them. So much infomation on food drops and other stuff that we could have found out.
I never really liked Ms. Klugh for some reason. Not to sad that shes gone.
I loved the whole back and forth between Sayid & Mikail before the fight. And though he did get his but kick by Sayid he did pretty well for himself.
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Am I the only one who thinks Find815, even though its lower budget and without cast.. is more interesting than the mobisodes?
I dunno Room 23 was ok, but since then they've been a bit dull.
I think Find815 just reminds me of the lost experience - I loved it. It marks the point where I went from really loving the show to obsessive geeky fan.
I just think if they are going to pay for all the actors to do them they should make every minute worthwhile...
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I don't have the time or patience to play Find815. I've been following the story so far on lostpedia, but don't really find any interest in starting the game.
On the other hand I love the Mobisodes. Im in it for the ride and the mobisodes provide nice character pieces. I love the watch because it shows us more about Christian just like Par Avion does. I love how the newest Mobisode reveals more about Ethans past and some of his reasonings for going to the extremes of Ben orders and killing almost two people in order to kidnap Claire. I just find them a fun little experience.
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Jan 10, 2008 10:50:17 PM CST
Seriously, would anybody be too overwhelmed with grief
by jimbojones123
if their 92 year old mom died??? They lost me there. Kids being spiteful about mom being or not being in a nursing home??? Maybe that 93rd year would be the one where she finally made peace with her dealings on earth or some stupid shit. What a terrible story.
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Found this on SpoilerFix, this was part of the Matthew Fox interview. Personally I have no problem with Time Travel being a part of Lost.
01/10 - "This season ... deals with time travel and other supernatural elements." Source: Entertainment Weekly -
Spoilers, Spoilers
You have been warned.
01/10 - [In a recent interview...] "I think the show's going to be better in its last three seasons than it was in the first three," [said Matthew Fox], adding, "There's going to be some huge mind-blowing s---." Source: Entertainment Weekly
01/10 - [Decoy endings have been shot for the coming season says Matthew Fox...] "I wasn't part of that particular scene. I thought I knew what was going on in the scene, and then found out that I didn't." Source: Entertainment Weekly
01/10 - This season ... deals with time travel and other supernatural elements. Source: Entertainment Weekly
01/10 - Unfortunately, I'm hearing there's nothing major going on in the Juliet-Jack universe in the first four episodes — unless you consider "heaps of subtext" to be major. (Hint: You may want to rewind to the Season 3 finale and figure out who initiated that smooch.) Source: Ask Ausiello @ TV Guide
01/10 - Jaters will be aflutter when Kate shows romantic interest in future Jack, but it turns out there's another special person in her life already. Source: Ask Ausiello @ TV Guide
01/08 - Yes [the Jack and Kate "because I love you" will be addressed]. More than once even. Source: Kristin on E!Online
01/08 - Zzzzzz...{Regarding Jack and Juliet's romantic progress in the first four eps.] Source: Kristin on E!Online
01/08 - This season Ben reminds me a little of Boss Tweed or Don Corleone in his heyday. He's on the wrong side of the law, but he has rock-solid relationships with grand pooh-bahs, with little people and with everyone in between, and as such, his influence extends to places you'd never imagine. Source: Kristin on E!Online
01/08 - Just because we're getting flash-forwards does not mean we learn now how it all turns out. Being at the "beginning of the end" means we're actually smack in the middle of the story. Source: Kristin on E!Online -
Hey u smart people any theories on who that may be in that there casket. I'd really like to hear some feedback on what u folks think.
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Enter77 or WeHaveToGoBack!
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Reguardless of age if its someone that you care about your going to feel grief no matter how old they are.
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Would you not go into space thinking there is a shot that in the next 4-6 months that dear Mum wouldn't make it. One would also hope that siblings wouldn't blame eachother for the death of a parent like that. I just hate stories that go that extra mile to throw in a dead kid or pet or parent to tear at your heartstrings. Sorry. I felt it was like "yeah, that would suck kinda" but not that it would be devistating. Maybe because the death of my parents may not be long away and I've already made my peace with that. I don't know. I know some family members that will never make peace with the passing of thier parents. I just don't have grief on that kind of level. I don't think I should have to defend that I thought the "chain yank" was a cocky story. And I really hate somebody telling me that I should be more emotional about things. Surely if my parents ever live til 92, I'll be happy to see them every day that I can. God willing I make it to 68 to do so. But their deaths won't make me spiral out of control. I've had 4 MAJOR deaths in my family this year. In no case was I happy to knock any off. But in no way was any that made my body go into shock and not function properly. It's more the "I made you get attached to my story" ego trip that really busted it for me. F writers that get off so hard on pulling the strings. And F the reader for getting their strings pulled so hard on a 1 page essay. Dumbasses. Guess the article wasn't my problem after all. It was my internal knowledge that so many would find the "pulling of the strings" so genius, while it just whipped me to death. Why am I up at 2AM when I have to be to work in 5 hours?
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Which is it? Kate is a Plant?? Sawyer is Brainwashed?? Pick sides now!!!
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We never spell out paburrows when talking to you. For the regulars, I'm rb. There's node, des, darth, MP, jj, etc., all which are abbreviations of who we claim to be. So if you choose the name WeHaveToGoBack!, what do we call you? whtgb?
I absolutely love that name, even better than E77, which is what I assume we would call you. I mean if they/we called you 77 I might think they were talking to me. You know how confused I can get. E77 is a lot easier to type. Of course, if you included the exclamation point in that name we could always call you !.
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The eye of goth Claire, my sweet goth Claire. The alabaster skin, the dark hair, the so light blue they’re almost gray eyes, the blood...wait, blood? Nice. The Charlie (cock blocker...I kid ;->) and the sweet lostie Claire, a picnic...awwwwwwwww.
MP – you seem to be right about the blowing up of the flame. I forgot what was in Locke’s backpack.
Patchy smiling because of the argument, the conversation about shooting him like a dog, “I like dogs”...nice...again.
The beach, the picnic laid out, the idea, Des...okay, so he’s the real cock block.
I thought the conversation between Kate and Danielle, as well as being pertinent to the issue, might have been a way of telling the people that want answers all the time they really don’t. To me, Danielle didn’t want to know about Alex because she wanted to find out for herself...and enjoy the time it took to get to know her daughter...something we all seems to agree on about getting to know the characters and taking the ride that is LOST.
Man there was so much in the patchy “conversation” with Kate. The event, not being CAPABLE to understand because you’re not on the list, the magnicent man that’s not Ben, the losties are flawed, angry, weak and frightened, calling Kate and Sayid by name, and then turning to Locke.
I remember you, but you are not the man I know because the John Locke I know was...
Danielle cuts him off.
So if the pattern holds true, we were about to learn something. about Locke? About the island and Locke being there before? About destiny...fate? Any ideas?
I think Locke shoved Patchy and “killed” him in the fence scene because of what he had “threatened” to spill.
Can’t wait to find out what it is.
Okay, if that’s the low setting on the security fence....whew!!
I love Sayid’s doubt of Locke.
I’m a little confused about the timeline. Is Claire's flashback before, during or after the one where Ana was driving Christian around? I would guess it’s before because Claire isn’t about to pop yet, but I’m just not sure.
Bit of trivia from Lostpedia - Emilie de Ravin submitted this episode for consideration on her behalf in the category of "Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Drama Series" at the 2007 Emmy Awards.
2 last thoughts. I remember the Jack scene as being jaw dropping. Not so much now. In fact, he’s looking in that last scene like he's accepted things pretty quick. Sometimes I wonder about him.
Sawyer was reading The Fountainhead, so I googled it. Wikipedia says “The Fountainhead examines the life of an individualistic young architect, Howard Roark, who chooses to struggle in obscurity rather than compromise his artistic and personal vision...” If we tie this to the show and what we know already, the person I’d pick to match the book would be Jacob.
But I’d be wrong if you read further. “Due to the controversy surrounding the book and the influence the book has because of its popularity, 'The Fountainhead' is often referenced in popular culture. The book often appears in literature to suggest Objectivist-related thought or change within a character, such as with the character Janet in the 1992 motion picture Singles or the character Sawyer in the television series Lost.”
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I don't believe they will EVER find the 'fake' wreckage of Flight 815 that Naomi elluded to. I believe Oceanic was in full 'cover up' mode with that press release. They knew the plane went down...but they couldn't reveal the true 'where' and 'who' survived. Better to say it's at the bottom of the sea...rescue subs confirm bodies on board...too deep to try and bring to the surface...case closed.
Now...when the Oceanic 6 turn up...miraculously alive...that's when they have to get in 'spin control' mode and make up a new 'known' island that these few surviviors were able to make it to...come up with a 'fake story' of their survival and how they were found.
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I could be wrong, but I always got the feeling that Patchy was going to spill the beans about Lockes being in a wheel chair and that Locke didn't want them to find out?
Christian told Claire about trying to visit her when she was very young and that her Mother stopped letting him visit. That would fit with the confuntaion that he had at the door when he was with Ana Lucia. So I think that that flashback happened before when Claire was young? -
that the one with Ana Lucia was before the Goth Claire flashback for the stated reasons.
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We all assumed Ana was in Australia with Christian at the time she flew back on 815. That would mean the Ana/Christian episode timeline was after this last episode.
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I keep going back and forth on whether Locke knew the flame was going to explode.
Logic dictates that if you enter 77 because Dharma knew there was a chance the hostiles will overrun the place, they would want the flame with all the books distroyed...keeping all material out of the Dharma hands. Since he had C4 in his pack, you would think he knew there was wired C4 in the basement it was probably going to explode.
But why are we to assume he got his C4 from the basement. We never saw him there, so we can't be sure he didn't find it somewhere in the room where the computer chess game was.
Then again, he didn't want Kate and Sayid to know he had C4 in his pack. Why?
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Locke got all excited as soon as he heard from Kate and Sawyer there was a submarine and boats through which the Others leave the island. He wants to stay - he was ready to destroy anyone else's chances of making him leave the island. I'm pretty sure Locke knew the Flame was going to blow.
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when we doing from Tallahase????
fucking love it
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when we doing from Tallahase????
fucking love it
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sorry bout that
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all went well today I was teaching English and some of it was to do about the sinking of the Titanic and the way newspapers and writeers reported it so it was actually a bit interresting for a change..Northern Irleand famous for 2 things...1. Bombing the sit out of ourselves and 2. Building teh unsinkable ship..doe
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Just found out my Amsterdam/Battle trip was cancelled. I guess the good news is that I won't miss a new episode now.
That, and I may still go in the spring.
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no good at all rb...my mates band are playing in Amsterdam in February I think..that will be messy..hahaa
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I don't have time to talk about it today, so I will tomorrow.
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'Bombing the sit out of ourselves' actually means 'bombing the shit out of ourselves'...I really need to pay attention to the spelling
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very good node....
I'd love to go to America just to have a lovely cold beer in a good climate...most of our drinking takes place inside a steriotypical Irish bar caues its too cold to take the beers outside....in taht school today i was talking to one of teh older English teachers, he's in his 50's now and I got him into the Soprano's just before xmas and he fucking loved it......but he thanked me today for getting him into Lost, he said a year or so ago when I was doing a bit of subbing we were talking about good TV and that I mentioned I was a big Frasier fan and that I adored the Band of Brothers, so he said he listened to what I said as he respected my taste in TV.. I bigged up Lost and he said he aint looked back, he is mesmerised by it and said he aint seen anything constantly as good as it..Nice to know im converting some folk..
IN addition to taht I agve my uncle teh lend of season 1 after telling him it was teh best thing on television...he is 65 years old and recently retired.....he landed down to my house last night asking for season 2..he watched the whole season in 3 days, thats some going...and his question to me was 'Here Gareth(thats my name by the way haha)what the hell is this about and what down that hatch??'.....my reply was I dont know whats going on and you'll find out soon enough, what can ya tell someone when u dont want to spoil anything, im fully expecting teh phone call tomorrow to give him a lend of season 3...just shows that its not just the younger generation that enjoys this show and that other people are dying for television to deliver a great story..Lost does that..im getting really really excited for season 4 starting... -
A little lighter on action than some of the episodes, other than Patchy's head exploding. But I'll agree with others posting above, Goth Claire is much cuter than blonde Claire, and that's a plus for this episode. Node, I think you said you figured out who Claire's father was before this episode. By reading Spoilers, or were there other clues? When Christian was in Australia with AnaL, I thought he was arguing with Claire's mum. Was that her aunt instead? I'll have to watch again. Because I only figured it out as soon as I saw him in her mother's room, and it was quite a jolt for me! I'm sure Mikhail was going to say "the John Locke I knew ... was in a wheelchair." I thought it the first time I saw this too. So did Patchy meet Locke before, or was this just from his research in the Flame? Mikhail sure looks dead - did they just leave him there? And again, if Kate can go over the "sonic fence," why can't Smokey? And there's Jack, playing catch with Big Gay Tom. He was so defiant just days before, but now he sure seems to have accepted his situation. Playing football, chess with Ben, ... maybe he joined the book club!
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Hey - I teach too. I'd be real curious to hear the differences between teaching where you do and life for me teaching here in the states. I too have been trying to convert a few Lost watchers - my wife's best friend is waiting for me to finish my season 3 watchback. I going to use my DVR to burn her a complete set of Season 4 as well, as soon as it gets here in ...
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We're almost into the teens! Jan. 31st will be here soon!
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They're plugging the recap episodes on iTunes. If anyone's interested.
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I think we will see Patchy in a flashback with Locke......also the Christian being Claires father scenario was one of those things taht u can see form a mile away, but I dont think it was ever meant to be a big reveal...it would have been fun to get a bit of Luke/Leia romance between Claire and jack and then discovering their brother and sister..that would have been akward...
also the teaching side.....I am a supply (substitute) teacher here in sunny Northern Ireland..I sub in both Primary and Secondary schools(im not fully sure what u call them in the states, primary is ususally 4-11 years of age and secondary is 11-16 or 18 years of age).Im a history teacher for secondary schools but teach in both fields,its all very legal, haha.....I have to wait for a phone call every morning to se if I work a day or not, sometimes I get pre booked a bit in advance and it is tough enough work...the kids over here are very ignorant and dis-respectful..but you just need to crack the whip and go Sayid on their asses..what about yourself??????? any wee antitodes that u can tell me to give me a snapshot of teaching in america?? -
I heard the writers were meeting with the Directors Guild of America soon. What exactly that means, I don't know. Also, Tom Hanks and George Clooney have been trying to put pressure on the studios to negoiate. Hanks doesn't want the Oscars cancelled, like the Golden Globes were. Oscars are scheduled in about 6 weeks - maybe if they settle by then, we'll get more than 8 weeks of Lost this year!!!
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the threat of no Oscars will move things on from this stalemate
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I was a substitute teacher for 5 months here in the US before I found a permanent job. Are you searching for a permanent job yourself, or just paying the bills with teaching while planning a different career? Because here in the US, they're begging for teachers in the Southern states. At least from what I hear - South Carolina, Florida, Georgia - even out west in Texas and Nevada. I remember those days of getting called at 5 in the morning, being asked to teach some ungodly subject in a horrible district. But I live in the rural midwest - kids are generally pretty well behaved. I'm glad I'm no longer a sub! We have elementary (K-6) and secondary (7-12) schools. I teach in a public high school, 9-12. I've taught pretty much everything in my career, but I'm certified in mathematics and public speaking. Strange combo. I enjoy it or I wouldn't still be doing it after a dozen years! I'm late for dinner - I'll share some good antecdotes with you soon!
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be looking forward to hearing a few things from ya..
I am actively seeking employment but so far no luck.......I actually am getting enough days to pay the bills and get out for a wee drink everynow and again(kiss of death).......
thats a good age to teach you ahe there..they are still keen to learn and aren't that world weary yet to be cheeky gits..haha
I subbed one day back in March (I think)there in an absolutly horrible school (arsonists and stabbings have occured there on more than one occasion)and the pupils of this year 4 class (14-15 years old) were discussing Lost..they were actually discussing room 23....as that was the episode that aired and they downloaded it and watched it before they went to school...we got into a debate on what was happening on the Island and it was a really good class...(the actual teacher had not left work so it was glorified babysitting)...we talked for 2 classes which is 70minutes...really good thing to get chatting to a class about if they are into it..we could have went on all day.........I was walking down the corridor later on that and heard a young lad say,'He's a cool teacher, he likes Lost'..I found that hilarious,that I was respected not because I was a teacher but because I liked Lost haha..kids these days
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good night from me.....have a nice night if ur all out tonight.and feel some comfort that the next episode in the talkback is the fantastic Man from Talahasse.....namaste
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Nothing new there - I was hoping for some insights, spoilers or tidbits. But it's just the "Lost in 8:15" video I'm sure you've seen before, plus 4 minutes of the season finale from season 3.
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Okay, so MP and BigE are teachers, and I'm a trainer in a corporate envirnoment. At this moment a drunk trainer that's just left The Executive's Bored Meeting trying to remember where the keys are on a computer keyboard. Both MP and I are also musicians. Maybe that's (the teacher in us) got something to do whith how we think about this show...or THAT we think about this show.
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We hear it write it and say it all the time. It's part of the name of a yoga show on TV. We know what it means...except.
Wiki has an interesting "addition".
However in Sri Lanka, this usually has a somewhat different meaning. The gesture is used to greet (as well as a parting remark) people with the verbal "Aayubowan", hence it's called Aayubowan. Aayubowan roughly means 'may you live long'. When used at funerals to greet the guests, the verbal part is usually omitted. The aayubowan gesture is also a cultural symbol of Sri Lanka and Sri Lankan hospitality. This is also the means used by Sri Lankan air hostesses to greet passengers, and used in other hospitality settings.
So in Sri Lanka it is used by flight attendants and at funerals.
I wonder if there's a connection. hmmmmmmm.........
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Keep it up dudes!(I am a little angry because nobody got in to my "they are in hell" idea,maybe it was to strange!).:-)
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I am a Stay At Home Dad and a freelance Artist trying to break into the Animation industry full time. My wife is a Childrens librarian. My Father was a Teacher & Principal at different times. (When he was alive that is.) He taught High School (16 - 19 year olds)English, Drivers Ed, and was the school librarian. My sister was a Middle school teacher (13 - 16 year olds).
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I Googled this, it has daily links to strike news. Nothing big at the moment.
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I love Charlie's Uncle Jin & Auntie Sun comment.
I love how Sawyer almost called Claire Barbie.
I actually like blond Claire better, but to each his own.
Concerning the birds Im betting that since their tagged like Claire said that they are Darmas and when they flew away they flew to the Orchid (animal) Station that will be introduced this next season.
During the part where Mikial tells Sayid, Kate & Locke that he does not know them he said para-- at the end which Im guessing was supposed to be paralized.
So my question is why didn't Sayid just use the C-4 to blow one of the pylons up? Oh, looks like Locke just answered my question.
Man Kate seems to climb a lot of trees on this show.
I like Christian,even though he has a lot of faults, he does have good intentions.
I loved Claire's letter at the end. If the birds do fly to the orchid I wonder if the letter will turn up again? Kind of like how Locke put his hatch map in the ? station tube and later Jack found it it at the tube dump in the finale.
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I know that I've posted this before, but there was an earlyer questions as to the order of the flashbacks. This is from Lostpedia.
Before the Island
Claire at the tattoo parlor with her father ("Par Avion") (promotional still)Born and raised in Australia, Claire Littleton was raised by Carole Littleton, a single mother who got pregnant as a result of an affair with Claire's father Christian Shephard. He visited her many times as a baby but stopped visiting because, according to him, her aunt Lindsey hated him, and Carole couldn't cope with him having another family.
As an adolescent, Claire was rebellious to her mother, dressed in a gothic style and worked in a piercing and tattoo parlor. At a young age, Claire got into a car accident during a heated argument with her mother, where her car was forced off the road by a truck and crashed. She received light injuries (i.e. broken arm and cut above her eye), but her mother had suffered severe brain hemorrhaging and was in a coma. Her father came to Australia to convince her to remove her mother's life support, in order to put Carole out of her misery. She refused to do so and demanded that he leave her alone. She claimed that she didn't even know his name, nor did she want to. ("Par Avion")
Sometime later, while working at the Fish & Fry restaurant at $5 an hour, Claire's path seemed to be dead end and predictable. However, her life would change when she and her boyfriend Thomas realized they were to become parents. Though Claire had her doubts, Thomas convinced her that a baby could be "the best thing ever" and would give their lives hope once more. However, Thomas came to the decision that being a young father was too much to handle, and he left Claire. Now on her own, Claire decided to give her baby up for adoption when it was born.
Claire's friend Rachel took her to see Richard Malkin, who claimed to be a psychic. As Claire was interested in astrology and horoscopes, Rachel believed it would cheer her up. However, when reading her palm, Malkin saw something terrible, and insisted that Claire had to raise the child herself as "danger surrounded this baby!" Claire, however, did not believe him, and told him to leave her alone. ("Raised by Another")
Claire and Thomas and the positive pregnancy test ("Raised by Another") (promotional still)
Claire is given the tickets for Flight 815 by Richard Malkin
("Raised by Another") (promotional still)She then visited her mother at the hospital. She told her mother that she was pregnant and that she was going to give the child up for adoption. She was astonished that her mother was able to raise her without any assistance. She then sobbed over her mother and told her that she was sorry for being so terrible to her, and for saying that she hated her and that she wish she was dead when they were in the car, right before it crashed. ("Par Avion")
Meeting with her child's adoptive parents, Arlene and Joseph Stewart, Claire prepared to sign away rights to her unborn child. She requested that the Stewarts sing the lullaby "Catch a Falling Star", as it was the song her father used to sing to her. However, as Claire is about to sign, two pens she tried to use did not work, and Claire's doubts at relinquishing her child (due to Malkin's warning) surfaced, with her running out of the room.
Claire returned to Richard Malkin, who told her that her baby would be safe if she gave it to a couple in Los Angeles, who are "good people". Giving her a ticket for Oceanic Flight 815, Claire left for what she believed was a new life in America.
Throughout deleted scenes, it is revealed that Claire had a conversation with the Pilot before boarding the plane. She consoled in him about her nerves before flying and the Pilot promised her that he'd keep the ride "extra smooth" for her which is ironic considering the plane crashes.
When she was boarding while she was putting her bags in the overhead compartment, Arzt helped her put it in the compartment. ("Exodus, Part 2")
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I Most of it she was a teenager and then the end part was latter right after meeting the psychic and before actually deciding to fly to America.
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So I was listening to the radio tonight and they reported a news story (in the US) Where a married couple somehow happen to find out that they were Fraternal Twins (boy/girl twins) and that their parents had separated and each had a twin and both parents acted like the other child didn't exsist. (Like in Disney's Parent Trap) Imagine finding that out that the person that you married is actually your sister!
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So I wonder who Claire would see if Smokey appeared to her? Would she see her Mom? Her Aunt? Christian? If Christian maybe thats a way the writers might have them know that they are brother/sister. (right before it kills them off course. just kidding)
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Jan 12, 2008 2:47:21 AM CST
Don't get the complaints about lost being too mysterious
by slappy jones
its a fucking mystery show! thats the whole point. you guys read the last page of books before you read them yeah? sheesh.....
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who is complaining here about it being too mysterious?????we love the mystery
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the real life Luke and Leia are on the front pages of our newspapers today....nuts
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I almost commented on it last night. Wasn't that in the UK where the twins got married? I thought of the Jack/Claire comment right away!
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the brother sister thing was in america...
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Im on the Dharma beer for a few folks...get chatting to ya's tomorrow with a lovely hangover
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The real-life Luke/Leia story, or Jack/Claire if you will, was in fact in England. Story here: http://tinyurl.com/2p9xeh
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Just wondering. We drop out of the top 10 and it's back to the regulars!
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Yeah, I had to get that in there. Only 2 more Thursdays without a new Lost to watch!
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Well I picked a name, but the set up wouldn't work for we_have_to_go_back, wehavetogoback, enter77, or ethanrom. I don't know if they have been taken or I did something wrong. Any suggestions?
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Maybe you need to use a different e-mail account, pa. I doubt all of those, if any, have been taken. It's been so long ago that I've registered that I don't remember how it works! Maybe just leave it - we wouldn't know who you were if you did! Though it didn't take long to get used to PBS's switch to node.
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Anyone else have that banner ad for the movie "Teeth" running on your screen at the top? Pretty creepy - not something I'd want to watch.
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The Man From Tallahassee
When Kate and Locke arrive at the Others' camp, Ben promises to tell Locke the island's secrets as long as he stops his destructive plan, and Kate's reunion with Jack doesn't go very well when she learns that the Others have offered him a deal. More of Locke's troubled past is revealed.
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BigE, Yeah I thought that Teeth looked pretty creepy also. I used to like horror, but not so much anymore.
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Anyone want to discuss anything?
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But I thought I'd be polite and wait until tomorrow! The funny thing is when I watch these episodes I keep thinking that they originally ran at the end of the season - like April or May. But we're still in March of last year, aren't we? The final episodes just keep building up steam. Except for Expose, of course.
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http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/205
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What does it say? It said it would take 14 minutes to download, and I have cable internet, so I'm too lazy to check.
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What a joke - and I can't believe there aren't even having the ceremonies.
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Yeah, it's slow, so let's get this in the top 10!
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2 more, right? Or just one?
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I'll be there. Probably not till Saturday, but I'm checking it out. I know Harry get's geeked over everything, but it still looks promising.
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Almost forgot to enter that today!
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Corvette! Of course, Billy Dee too! Long live Star Wars!
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Namaste, brothers. We're in a pathetic top 10, but it feels like old times. Almost 500 posts! Let's make it 1000 here before the 31st!
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Cloverfield and the new Trek. JJ's decided that he's going all "Hidden Mickey" on his Bad Robot stuff now. Also expect a Pizza Planet truck to show up in all his stuff from now on.
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will check it out later tonight
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Jan 13, 2008 11:31:18 PM CST
but i mean ben did bring up that whole island is a box thing...
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when talking to locke.
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The Directors Guild of America announced yesterday the nominations for its 60th Annual DGA Awards, and Lost was nominated twice: Jack Bender was selected for the third-season finale "Through the Looking Glass," and Eric Laneuville was recognized for "The Brig".
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IGN TV: Before I let you go, I'd be remiss if I didn't ask if you can say anything about your role on Lost?
Reddick: I don't know much about my role on Lost. [Laughs] I just know that it's a character of power. But I've only been in the first two episodes, and then they stopped shooting after episode 8 because of the strike. So we'll see. -
As we previously reported in the Rumours section, Shawn Doyle will be appearing in Lost and I can now confirm with you from my sources that he will be appearing in Episode 4.04 - Eggtown as Kate's lawyer.
As several of you have emailed and pointed out, Shawn Doyle played a character called Jack Shepard in the 2000 film called "Frequency". Elizabeth Mitchell was also in this film playing a character called Julia 'Jules' Sullivan. :)
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Even though episode 5 is a Desmond episode, one of the boaties, Jeremy Davies, appears in the episode as a professor of physics at Oxford. This is not the only time principle characters share flash space. In fact, tack this on as a bonus spoiler, there is not a single flashback that I know of so far that can be considered exclusive to one character.
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Do you mean that there is not a single flashback THIS SEASON that can be considered exclusive to one character?
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I just sat there and watched this one rather than "taking notes" as I went along. My overall thought is we're going to come back to bits and pieces of this for a long time.
I liked how they made you think Locke was in a wheelchair, but instead his disability was depression. Also loved Locke’s line about this being more complicated than they thought.
I found the Jack and Kate stuff puzzling...and I don’t know why.
Speaking of puzzles, the Ben/Locke/wheelchair conversation wasn’t puzzling, but it sure was a puzzle. And when it gets to the “you’re in a wheelchair and I’m not” the puzzle comes full circle...except it doesn't since at the end of the episode Ben says the same thing backwards.
The famous scene with Cooper was better the first time. Element of surprise I guess. But the scene with Locke being put in the wheelchair was just as powerful.
I think the way Ben calls everyone "his people" shows he is thought of as the chosen one...even if it's only himslef (which I doubt) that thinks of him that way. But Locke is Ben’s true test....in the sense of Jesus being testing in the dessert by Satan.
And even though we knew Cooper was in the box/closet, it was still a great ending.
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I'm pretty sure that if the strike ended today, we'd still get our truncated 8 episode season - you can't just flip a switch and new TV shows start pumping out of a machine.
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I forgot to mention that I got all of that stuff from DarkUFO, so not my words. But I believe that for awile Spoilerfix was saying that the premiere episode was supposed to be both Hurley & Sawyers episode and that the second episode is supposed to be Flashbacks for a bunch of Freighties. I would gues kind of like the 1st season finale. The person that said that it was multiple flashes so far sounded to me like they had onley seen the first to so after that could be single or multiple?
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Onward & Upward!
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Man from Talahasse...
great...epic television
I cant really say anything that has not been said above but just teh scenes with Ben and Locke are some of teh best ever....when these to men are on screen it lights up
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Man that was funny, a little over the top, but funny. Hurley and Michael were the most funny since they with them being so understated in contrast to Jin being so emotional.
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SEASON PREMIERE
FEELING THAT THEIR RESCUE IS IMMINENT, THE SURVIVORS PONDER CHARLIE’S FINAL MESSAGE THAT THE PEOPLE CLAIMING TO LIBERATE THEM AREN’T WHO THEY SEEM TO BE, ON THE SEASON PREMIERE OF “LOST”
Awarded the 2005 Emmy and 2006 Golden Globe for Best Drama Series, “Lost” returns for its fourth season of action-packed mystery and adventure -- that will continue to bring out the very best and the very worst in the people who are lost -- THURSDAY, JANUARY 31 (9:00-10:02 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.
After Oceanic Air flight 815 tore apart in mid-air and crashed on a Pacific island, its survivors were forced to find inner strength they never knew they had in order to survive. But they discovered that the island holds many secrets, including a mysterious smoke monster, polar bears, housing and hatches with electricity and hot & cold running water, a group of island residents known as “The Others” and a mysterious man named Jacob. The survivors have also found signs of those who came to the island before them, including a 19th century sailing ship called The Black Rock, the remains of an ancient statue, as well as bunkers belonging to the Dharma Initiative -- a group of scientific researchers who inhabited the island in the recent past.
In the season premiere episode, “The Beginning of the End,” feeling that their rescue is close at hand, the survivors don't know whether to believe Charlie’s final message that the people claiming to liberate them are not who they seem to be.
The band of friends, family, enemies and strangers must continue to work together against the cruel weather and harsh terrain if they want to stay alive. But as they have discovered during their 90-plus days on the island, danger and mystery loom behind every corner, and those they thought could be trusted may turn against them. Even heroes have secrets.
“Lost” stars Naveen Andrews as Sayid, Henry Ian Cusick as Desmond, Emilie de Ravin as Claire, Michael Emerson as Ben, Matthew Fox as Jack, Jorge Garcia as Hurley, Josh Holloway as Sawyer, Daniel Dae Kim as Jin, Yunjin Kim as Sun, Evangeline Lilly as Kate, Elizabeth Mitchell as Juliet, Terry O’Quinn as Locke and Harold Perrineau as Michael.
Guest starring are Mira Furlan as Danielle Rousseau, Sam Anderson as Bernard, L. Scott Caldwell as Rose, Tania Raymonde as Alex, Blake Bashoff as Karl, Marsha Thomason as Naomi, Michael Cudlitz as Mike Walton, Lance Reddick as Matthew Abbadon, Grisel Toledo as orderly, Steven Neumeier as Lewis, Billy Ray Gallion as Randy, Jeremy Davies as Daniel Faraday and John Terry as Christian Shephard.
“The Beginning of the End” was written by Damon Lindelof & Carlton Cuse and directed by Jack Bender.
“Lost” was created by Jeffrey Lieber and J.J. Abrams & Damon Lindelof. Abrams, Lindelof, Bryan Burk, Jack Bender and Carlton Cuse serve as executive producers. “Lost,” which is filmed entirely on location in Hawaii and premiered on September 22, 2004, is from ABC Studios.
”Lost” is broadcast in 720 Progressive (720P), ABC’s selected HDTV format, with 5.1-channel surround sound and Spanish audio via SAP. This program carries a TV-14,V parental guideline.
This episode of “Lost” will be available on ABC.com the day after airing on the network for users to watch online.
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Besides a new Mobisode the spoiler section of DarkUFO has a new video titled "?" that flashs a whole bunch of images and among them are images of the frighter. Nothing to exciting, but kind of exciting.
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Man I was checking the bonus section before watching Tallahasse expecting a commentary with great insights to watch after the episode and what is it Darlton choose to do a commentary on over Tallahasse? Freaking Expose! I can't believe it!
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I know everyone thought that was her in the trailer, jumping on Kate, but now they've got her listed as a guest star for ep 4.01, so either she's not dead or she shows up in flashbacks. I'm guessing that like Locke, she is NOT YET DEAD!
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I haven't listened to any of the commentaries yet, pa, but that did surprise me. Man from Tallahassee was a great ep!
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Poor Jin. Nice to see the golf course again. Time frame - when is that supposed to be? Season 1, before they built the boat, right? Were Jin and Michael on friendly terms yet? When did Jin get the handcuff off - I forget. Now I need to rewatch Season 1. Again.
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I love Ben's line of "No John unfortunatly we don't have a code for there's a man hiding in the closet. Although we should."
Man Locke was Stupid, he should had worked with that son that came to him. Instead he wanted to try to save his Father from himself.
I'll bet that Johns Dad killed Peter talbot.
I love Bens Hamster comment.
I loved Johns "Your in the wheel chair And Im not"
Its interesting how Alex was correct when she warned Locke about Ben manipulating him to blow up the Sub.
Bens promise was sneaky, he told Jack that he would let KAte & Sayid once Jack & Juliet got off the island knowing that Locke would blow up the island and Jack would not get off.
Man you can hear Johns back breaking as it hits the ground.
That was sad watching John when he was put in the wheelchair.
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Jan 14, 2008 5:01:06 PM CST
Gor those of you that hated Nikki and Paulo, tonight's watchback
by rbrog77
Expose
When both Nikki and Paulo apparently die, the rest of the castaways try to figure out what happened to them. In the course of the investigation, the truth about Sun's "kidnapping" comes to light. Flashbacks show what Nikki and Paulo were doing before the crash and why they kept to themselves afterwards.
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Jin didn't actually get the handcuffs off until Season 2 when they lead the Tailies back to camp and were able to use something to cut the handcuff off from the hatch. I think it was a saw.
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The dreaded "Expose" episode. I hope ya'll watch with a forgiving eye this time through. It really is an interesting glimpse back at moments we missed through the eyes of these two "strangers". I feel "Expose" was the impetus for the Mobisodes we're all enjoying so much.
Also, like Ana Lucia (another vilified Lost character by fans), when N & P end eventually does come...it almost makes you feel sorry you hated them so much for barging into the show in the heavy handed way that they did.
Almost.
But it's always good to see Dr. Arzt in a non-powder form again!
Sorry I've been absent...away from my computer for a while. But back tonight. You guys are keeping this TB in the top ten fine without lil ol me!
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That mobisode was great!! If you've never been on a golf course you might not understand, but I'm sitting here crying.
But not only was it hilarious, it showed a part of Jin from the 1st season (he still had the handcuff on). No one understands him...he's so alone.
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Mobisode #11 - “Jin Has A Temper Tantrum”
[Jin, Hurley, and Michael are playing golf. Jin is putting.]
Hurley: All right Jin, you sink this putt, you win.
Michael: He can’t understand you.
Hurley: He can feel me, dude. He can feel me.
[Jin misses. ]
Michael: Yes!
Hurley [To Michael]: Congratulations, dude. [To Jin] It’s all right, Jin, you’ll get him next time.
[Jin goes on a rant, screaming (in Korean) and running around.]
Jin: No, why? Why can’t I hit the ball in the hole?
Michael: Hey it’s ok man, it’s only a game.
Jin: Shut up! Don’t pity me! All I wanted was one thing to go right.
Hurley: You can’t…
Jin: Do you want to say something? You don’t talk for once, you don’t talk! How can I lose to both Hurley and Michael?
Hurley: I think I heard our names in there somewhere.
Jin: I hate this horrible island. Why doesn’t anybody understand me? All I wanted was one moment of happiness! Why? Why can’t I be happy? Who invented this crazy game? No! You horrible ball! Why?
Michael: Maybe we should do something?
Jin: Please take this handcuff off! I’m going crazy.
Jin: You don’t care about me, do you? Don’t look at me with pity in your eyes. I’ve beaten men for lesser offenses!
Hurley [to Michael who headed toward Jin]: Eh, don’t touch him. Let him get it out.
Jin: No! You horrible ball! Why couldn’t you go in the hole? You horrible ball! Why? Why? Why?
Hurley: Maybe we should take a break from golf for a while.
Jin sits down and cries: I’m so alone. I’m so alone.
[Michael picks up the golf bag, and he and Hurley walk away.]
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http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Main_Page
Man a lot of stuff is revealed in some of the podcasts.
Darlton stated that the "Box" was just more of a mediphor rather the a real thing.
One of them asked the other if Locke blew up the sub. The other one said that Locke made it appear that the sub blew up.
Darlton adresses and makes fun of some of the wigs used for Jack, Boone and other characters in Lost.
There is AT LEAST one small island near the main island.
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I know everyone's got their comments in on this one already, but yeah that was a great episode! I loved how Locke seemed to have the upper hand on Ben, only to have the tables turn. Only the second time we see Alpert, right? I too was startled to see Locke hop up at the government agency. Couldn't remember how far back this was flashing. The Jack and Kate interaction in the "rec room" was VERY odd. Something is missing somewhere. Knowing what we know now, it seems strange. Is Jack feeling guilty because he's leaving the Island? Is he saying little because he knows they're listening? He seems so odd. And Danielle sees Alex. Great episode!
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Just because he's listed in the cast, it doesn't mean Michael will reappear in episode 4.01. Many of the regulars don't appear in every episode, but if they are considered to be a main cast member, they still list them in the opening credits. It's guest stars that are only listed episode by episode. Hence, I believe we'll see Naomi in ep 4.01. Which we see in only ...
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Are you excited yet?
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Are any characters from the game featured in season 4?
Yes! Well, sort of. If you caught the recent press release for season one you no doubt noticed that Lance Reddick is listed as Matthew Abbadon, not Arthur Stevens. Abbadon has been mentioned in the game.
Is the Christiane I also "Not Penny's Boat"?
No. But the Christiane I IS in Lost Season 4.
What about the locations? Sunda Trench? Jakarta?
The Sunda Trench IS in Lost Season 4.
Amelia Earhart?
Amelia has been ever present in LOST. I remember theories about Adam and Eve being Amelia and her 'friend' way back in season one. And of course, the airport anagram. But isn't Amelia just a really good symbol for people who go missing and are never found? I suspect Earhart is more iconic.
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....glitch at the end when the website comes up. It switches for 3 frames from flyoceanic.com to find815.com and back again. Fuckin brilliant. Just saw it again on Adult Swim.
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I loved this episode.....we have Ben, Shannon, Juliett, Arzt, fucking Lando.....bikini Nikki, deadly spiders...no taking of shits...and a Hitchcock ending....great
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http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/205 JJ Abrams giving an 18 minute talk. Very interesting, but the "box" he's talking about doesn't have much to do with Man from Tallahassee. Actually, he doesn't spend a whole lot of time talking Lost at all. Talks more about writing. His "box" is a metaphor for creative possibility. Still, entertaining talk.
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Corvette looked good, but her moves were "missing". Loved the 3rd gunshot by Billy Dee. And do you think the I’m just a guest star and we all know what happens to guest stars was a hint as to what was to come. Missed that the first time.
Also loved Sawyer still didn’t know who she was.
I hated and still hate Razzle Dazzle. What a stupid catch phrase.
Dr. Kinkaid esq? A lawyer/doctor? Funny name for a TV show (mentioned in Nikki's older man epitaph).
God Shannon was a bitch to Boone.
Nice to see the burning wreckage again...and Doc Arzt. And how focused (and misled) is Nikki? Finding Paulo on the beach in the midst of all the wreckage from the crash they just survived and asking him where the bag was.
20 new species on the island. Interesting. Wonder if they are new species or old forgotten ones. Wonder if we'll ever find out.
It is funny what Nikki and Paulo found but kept secret...or maybe not secret, just didn't see the importance of.
It’s also interesting how and what conclusions the losties jump to...and how they don’t seem to trust one another either.
Love the pigs are walking comment by Doc Arzt.
"I find out what he’s emotionally invested in and I exploit it." Now that’s the most truth Ben ever spoke. And the fact he discloses this to Juliet so matter-of-factly...I think maybe we should be watching her. She might end up being the female Ben. Think about it. Ben when caught in lies would tell the truth then twist and exploit it. We saw in a mobisode Juliet confess to Jack she was working fo Ben after 2 of the losties (Sawyer and Kate?) discovered...whatever. I just think we should keep this in mind with Juliet.
There are some classic lines in this...one of which is Sawyer’s not a murderer. So says Sun before Locke cons Sawyer into killing Cooper. Nice to hear that now that we know what happens.
I forgot Charlie fessed up to Sun in this episode.
I still wonder if the losties will realize what they did...bury them alive. Dunno how. Maybe they’ll need the diamonds to pay off the freighters or to cut something (hardest mineral).
Sawyer had a lot of shit go down in this episode leading up to Locke conning him into killing Cooper. Feeling pretty bad about himself leading up to that. Nice writing.
Touching the reason Paulo gave for hiding the diamonds. Awwwwwww...
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Anyone notice that Christian Sheppard is listed as a guest star for episode 1? Any thoughts on how he will play into this? I am assuming it will be in a flshback, but who's?
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I was a regular reader on teh lost talkbacks only after I watched the episodes and i saw it getting a new shit hole ripped for itself by the fans.....I didnt post back then but I loved this episode fromt eh day it aired...
its different....its like the episode taht had a flashback on the Island to tell us what happened at different places when we were concerned with other events..im looking at Maternity Leave, other 48 days,live together die alone, the brig.....its gives us another peice in the rich tapestry that makes this show soo good, and to take two characters, who were for some reason hated, adn give them a fantastic death and story that unveils different aspects of different characters is fantastic -
Tom and Boone.....maybe Tom was pissed off Boone died and shot Sawyer..but then he got freindly again when he saw Jack and the Jack face
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On Thursday the 31st of this month I am playing a gig...I will no doubt have to go on stage and make some random LOST reference in respect to my favourite show starting again.....its a shame I cant get watching it on ABC online cause im from Europe..anyone know of any loopsholes I can use??
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Besides Expose being shown in Tallahasse it was also shown in Season 1. In the Hurley flashback episode Hurley is watching TV and you can hear Expose is on then it switches to a commercial break and the winning Lotto numbers are anounced.
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You can go here the following day to the official site on Feb 1st - http://dynamic.abc.go.com/streaming/landing
Or here, not sure if this site is legal or not, but I figure since ABC has them on-line themseleves that its ok?
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In debt to you all...I will try and get it and watched for friday and then I will chip in with me stinging criticism...haha
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big day tomorrow so cant stick about tonight..sorry Ive been away but the mix of flu, work and the worst drunk i've been in a long long time hasn't help my participation in the discussion..
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Another thing that makes this episode different is that theres no "Previously on Lost with clips from previous relating episodes.
It was great seeing Lando again. Has he done anything since Star Wars?
To me the fact that there was always a flashback when we see Nikki's eyes was a giveaway that she was not really dead.
This reminded me how much I didn't like Shannon.
I love how they cut them into previous scenes along with new ones. And also getting to see Boone, Shannon, Ethan & Arnt again. It also reminded me how ineppet Boone was.
I also love how they adress the Smokey being the Dinosaur thoery.
Thats funny that Paulo called it about going up to the plane would kill him.
Wouldn't that have been an interesting twist if Nikki & Paulo really had been working with the Others.
Juliet said that Tom had been there three days before at the ? Hatch. I wonder what he was doing.
That took a lot of guts for Charlie to tell Sun the truth.
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on a random sidenote, i might go to sydney airport just to see one of those oceanic billboards in the flesh.
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Its actually Co-Writers commenting.
Originally they wanted to do a scen with Paulo finding Shannons inhalor, but throwing it into the forest.
Its funny that Vincent was the only one that relized that N & P were not dead.
I love Sawyers "Why don't you stick you head in the ocean and cool yourself off." to Nikki
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Just checks the episode Numbers and about 2 & 1/2 minutes in Hurley is flipping channels and his Mom says "I hope your not watching those G String Mujeres (Women) again." and it shows a car chase right before the lotto Numbers.
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Ehhh - I got nothing today.
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In the Philly area, fly home Thursday night. I'll still do the watchback as I brought the DVD with me. I'll be around, but rarely posting.
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...will be traveling home from Austin. Got an early flight, so should catch it all. If not, there's always the DVR or internet.
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As I've posted before, I never had the Paulo/Nikki hate that many expressed. I thought their characters were a mild annoyance, that's all. I really like how their exit was handled! So yes, they did become iconic in their own way. There have been a couple shows that started without the "Previously on Lost" voice besides this one. I know there was one either earlier this season or at the end of season 2. I watch the show with the "English for Hearing Impaired" on. I usually run on the treadmill while watching, so I like not to miss any dialogue. The TV caption said "Pa ... lyz" as Nikki expired. When they reshowed it later on, the caption changes to "Paralyzed." Ok, so Mr. LaShade was really the Cobra! After 4 seasons, his identity was revealed as the mastermind all along. We got the foreshadowing of the guest star getting killed off, now ... could this season be the time that Jacob is finally revealed? It's someone we already know and trust? I like the Star Wars vibe with Billy Dee. Previously we found out two characters are brother and sister and didn't know it, and Sawyer plays the old "Wookie Captive" trick. My family just got done watching the original Triology, so I've had Star Wars on the brain. Dr. Kincaid, Esquire. Show sounds like a cross between Dr. Kildare and Quincy, ME. Two old time doctor shows for you young'uns. The "Wolfgang Puck of Brazil." Didn't someone say that people have called the actor who plays Paulo the "Tom Cruise of Brazil?" I was shocked when I saw the actor playing the bald-headed god/man in "300" this spring. "Hey - that's Paulo up there on that throne!" How would Dr. Artz know that he had found "20 new species" of spiders? He's just showing off for Nikki, my guess. I don't really like Nikki and Paulo finding things out (?) before our main Losties, but you guess the other people on the island must have some stories to tell too. When I first saw this episode, I kept thinking "Why do they keep showing their dead bodies? Are they really dead?" And then Vincent pulls off the blanket. So I yelled "I knew it!" when they got buried alive, Hitchcock-style, at the end. But you know, Locke says "nothing stays buried on this island." Could they come back? Surprised we haven't seen them on the mobisodes. Right before this episode aired, they did a short blurb on the gal that played Nikki in USA weekend or some similiar magazine. She was listed as "one of the new characters on Lost this season" and she was saying how much she loved being added to the show. And then they killed her off like the very next week! In itself, my biggest complaint about this episode is that is slowed down the momentum from the previous week. But as a stand alone, it's not bad. Razzle-Dazzle!
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At least of my own thoughts. Ha - this talkback has become the biggest journal/diary/weblog I've ever contributed to in my life!
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One of Us
The Others are vacating their home, and one of the castaways is leaving with them. Kate is knocked out and wakes up in the jungle handcuffed to Juliet. Kate is determined to return to get Jack, while Juliet believes she has been abandoned. The two have to work together in order to survive. Flashbacks show how Kate tried to reconcile with her mother. Meanwhile, Hurley informs Sawyer that a vote will be held on whether or not to banish him. The two concoct a plan to get everyone to like Sawyer so he can stay.
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Left Behind is tonights with the Kate flashback & Sawyer sidestory and then the next episode is One of Us where Juliet joins the castaways. According to the DVD book. Thanks for providing this great service to us rbrog though!
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Told you I hade limited time due to travel. Shows you what happens when you are rushed and not paying attention.
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Thats a great idea big E for a game....if u ahve a treadmill or exercise bike in the house, you should rewatch old episodes of lost and run or cycle when the losties are running away or walking through the forrest...u'd be fit as fuck in no time..hhaa
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Spoiler Make sure that you read the whole thing if you read this because you might have a heart attack
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Andy from San Diego: Are we going to be seeing Penny next season on Lost?
First off...17 days and counting till the premiere—thank you, Jesus! Now, for what it's worth, according to find815.com, Penelope Widmore is still involved in the search for Desmond, and her search has been connected to the crash of flight 815—her phone number shows up in a notebook belonging to Sam Thomas, the man we are following through the Find815 story. By the way, if you're a Sonya Walger fan, check your TiVo: She had a blink and you'll miss her part in last night's Terminator premiere.
Julia in San Diego: Lost! I just read somewhere that Sawyer might not make it through the season. Please save me from a true panic attack and tell me Sawyer isn't going anywhere!
Yes, Sawyer's going to be killed off in episode six, and from what I understand that will be the show's last-ever mention of the character. Audiences just never warmed up to him, and the writers realized it was best to simply give his off-putting storyline to a swift, clear-cut end. (I'm kidding. Seriously now, with all the stressing going on at tvdiva@eonline.com, I worry that you guys are all gonna give yourselves aneurysms. I promise you, if Sawyer were to eventually get killed off, which I consider unlikely in the extreme, the show would at least do it Nate Fisher style—that guy is gonna be around until the end in one way or another.)
Tom in Cleveland: I'm an old Lost fan—and by old Lost fan, I mean I'm nearing 40 years old. I have a theory that I'm hoping you might validate. If it's true, then I want to coin a new "shipper" term, too. And that's this: We'll discover that Kate's with...a Freighter! My bets are on Jeremy Davies. If so, then we have our Skaters, our Jaters and our "Keighters"!
Yeah, because it's not like there are enough people who already have a vested interest in Kate's love life! Jeez, what kind of trouble are you trying to stir up? Anyway, as far as I know, none of the boaties is getting in any of the Lostie's pantaloons, but they might be getting in their heads in a very interesting way.
Sam in Chihuahua, Mexico: Thank you so much for answering a Jacket question, we don't get as much attentions as Skate and Jate, it's really sad. So, it's hopeless to ship Jacket for season four, right?
Patience, grasshopper, until at least episode six, which is a Juliet ep. I hear you Jacketeers will like that one.
Source: E!Online -
http://thetvaddict.com/2008/01/15/elizabeth-mitchell-spills-lost-secrets/
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http://www.buddytv.com/articles/lost/exclusive-interview-michael-em-15718.aspx
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Juliett comes across as really nice.....I hope she gets some Sayid loving....
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Question: Tried to figure out your Lost asterisk quiz about Jack and Kate. Is it "Someone who was on the plane, who wasn't just a friend?" — Tina
Ausiello: Nah. But thanks for playing!
Question: I have a big challenge for our favorite scoop hunter: Find me a Lost spoiler concerning Claire. I know, I know, it's a rare and elusive thing. But you can do it, right?! — Fleur
Ausiello: Sure can. You've heard of Laverne & Shirley? Get ready for Claire & Kate.
Question: Someone who was on the plane, but didn't make a splash?" — Bill
Ausiello: Nah. But thanks for playing!
Question: I have a question about Lost. At the end of last season, the producers said there would only be 48 more episodes, to be divided into 16-episode chunks and spread out over three seasons. But with the writers' strike, there will probably be only eight episodes this season, not 16. So, my question: Will they tack on an additional eight episodes next season, bringing the Season 5 total to 24 episodes? — Fran
Ausiello: That's the million-dollar question, Fran. Luckily, exec producer Carlton Cuse offered to answer it for free. " We can't determine right now how we will manage production or when we will return to the air," he told me. "It completely depends on how long the strike lasts. As soon as the strike is over, we will sit down and figure that all out."
Question: "Someone who was on the plane, but wasn't even a Lostie?" — Howdavenport
Ausiello: Nah. But thanks for playing!
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Well they did leave a big gap in Ben's background, which is obviously between his first meeting with the hostiles and what eventually drove him to gas his father and the others. Is that something we can expect to see explored this season?
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I'm glad you put the disclaimer in there to read the whole thing. I started reading those spoilers yesterday and almost had a heart attack when I read the part about Sawyer. I amlost turned my computer off and tried to pretend I hadn't read it. I was so mad at myself for reading it I was ready to swear off spoilers for good. Luckily I read the rest of the article and saw the just kidding part. So I guess it's okay for me to still read spoilers
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Nikki was actually discussed around the time of the season 1 finale.
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Spoiler if you are playing the find815 game Spoiler
Chapter 2
Screenshot of the Christiane ISee main article: Find 815/Chapter 2
Sam emails Tracey back, thanking her for the information on the Christiane I. He also mentions that he is in Darwin at the moment and asks her if she could find out more about the significance of "black rock". (Find 815 clues/January 6)
Sam finds the Christiane I and boards in the guise of a cash-strapped tourist. However, the captain, Mr. Ockham informs him that they can't afford to take any more passengers. After the chart plotter explodes and threatens to delay the expedition, he tells Owen to get Sukarno on the phone to fix it. A man called Talbot tells Ockham that this is unacceptable. Sam recognizes the chart plotter has a SPU board and tells them that he can fix it in exchange for a spot on the ship.
The player then reaches a game where the chart plotter must be fixed in three minutes. If the player fails, Ockham tells Sukarno on the phone that he needs an expert to fix it, and the player must play again and win to advance the story.
If the player wins, Sam successfully fixes the electronics and earns himself a hammock on the Christiane I. Talbot begins to question Sam about his interest in the Sunda Trench, but Sam tells him he's just looking to get away on a trip. Ockham asks why Talbot is questioning Sam, and Talbot responds that his employers know a great deal about Ockham and his crew and that they have too much at stake to risk any surprises. Talbot questions Sam further, indicating knowledge of a girlfriend, and suggests that Sam is running away from something. Sam is unnerved. Ockham tells Talbot that they need Sam aboard, as their destination could be hazardous to the electrical equipment. Talbot consents, but says that he will install security measures.
Sam then receives a mysterious email with no subject and no sender listed. Containing only a long string of numbers interspersed with occasional dashes and periods, eight characters are gray instead of black: - 1 1 . 1 7 8 4 (Find 815 clues/January 7) Very likely a Latitude coordinate in decmial format.
Sam receives an email back from Austral Air regarding his request for employment. Isaac Chapman from Human Resources tells him that they don't have any suitable positions available. Sam sends an email to Tracey telling her that he made it aboard the Christiane I and asks her if she could find out anything about Talbot. He also asks her how her search on "black rock" is coming. Sam also finds a website about the Sunda Trench, detailing various plane and ship wrecks that have occurred in the region. (Find 815 clues/January 8)
While at sea, Sam rests in his cabin and examines the diamond ring he carries with him. After placing the ring on his desk, Sam notices an old analog radio and searches for a frequency. Through the static, Sam mysteriously stumbles upon a news program detailing that radio communications with Amelia Earhart had been lost and that her last transmission had been "this morning" at 8:43. Sam places the radio back on the shelf and turns out the lights.
Sam receives an email from Tracey saying she's having trouble finding anything specific about "black rock". She did, however, manage to dig up a little information on Talbot - he comes from a reclusive, wealthy east coast US family with a history in the diamond trade.
At this point, the player must participate in a clue hunt throughout Sam's cabin. The Season 1 clue is "Pillar of Smoke" and can be found by moving the mouse over the painting near the sink. The Season 2 clue is "Balloon", which is found by moving the mouse over the wooden box on the hutch of the desk. The clue for Season 3 is "Ping Pong", and can be located my moving the mouse over the ping pong paddles atop Sam's bed. Finally, the Season 4 clue can be located by clicking on the book on Sam's bed. The player must then go to the 'network partner' site and play a simple memory game, in which Tracy leaves Sam a message full of info about the Black Rock and the player must then use that information to complete a quiz. After successfully finishing, a Season 4 clue word is revealed (either '423 Cheyne Walk' or 'Daniel Faraday'). The clue word can be entered on the Find815.com to receive the Season 4 bonus clue: 020 7946 0893, Penny's number in London. However as of January 9, it is in fact an unassigned number. (Find 815 clues/January 9)
Sam receives a second voice message from his mother, who is growing more concerned that he hasn't returned her previous call. He emails the Broadcasting Authority, inquiring about the mysterious transmission he picked regarding Amelia Earhart's disappearance. They explain that it likely came from amateur radio enthusiasts, who sometimes broadcast historical recordings. Sam also emails Tracey asking about the video camera she lent him, which has been malfunctioning. She says it was working when she last had it. Tracey then emails again, and has figured out the significance of the "black rock" clue from the anonymous email Sam received. She proceeds to give him detailed information about the Black Rock slave ship. Sam has pulled up two new websites: an article about Amelia Earhart, and an article on the Black Rock. (Find 815 clues/January 10)
Sam records a video diary revealing that he is having second thoughts about going on the expedition aboard the Christiane I. He is still unclear what any of it has to do with Oceanic Flight 815, and is skeptical about the significance of the email he received from the Maxwell Group, thinking it may be a prank. He concludes that he will get off at the next port. (Find 815 clues/January 11)
Chapter 3
See main article: Find 815/Chapter 3
Ockham comments that Sam will not be home in time for Christmas as they will be at sea, conducting a predetermined grid search, into January. He then warns Sam that a mutiny is out of the question unless his pockets are deeper than Talbot's. Sam and Ockham converse about Talbot and where his funding comes from, though Ockham knows only that it is funneled in by a syndicate. Sam's curiosity leads him to snoop around Talbot's temporarily vacated room. Players then perform the Chapter 3 Activity, in which they are taken to Talbot's cabin to find some information about the expedition. The player wins by solving a series of puzzles and finding the correct code to Talbot's briefcase, in which case Sam opens the case and finds a confidential file from The Maxwell Group with the title, "Proposed salvage of the Black Rock shipwreck". It also turns out that The Maxwell Group is part of Widmore Industries, Penny Widmore's family's business, supposedly run by her father. Sam then exits the room and runs into Talbot on his way out, and a displeased Talbot accuses him of snooping around. Talbot then says that, while some people feel Sam to be an asset to the expedition, he disagrees and warns him to stay out of his room. (Find 815 clues/January 14)
Sam received another mysterious email from an unknown sender with no subject. This time, it contained only a long string of letters with some of them in a smaller font size: A A B B C F C. He sent an email to Tracey asking her to let his mother know that he is okay, but that he won't be able to be home for Christmas. Sam also received an email from Sonya's parents Ian and Pam, who offered to have him stay with them as a gesture of familial support during his and Sonya's upcoming anniversary. Sam had to decline, explaining that he will be out of the country until the new year. (Find 815 clues/January 15)
Companies behind Find 815
The game was created by Hoodlum, an Australian company based out of Brisbane. The CEO and co-founder of the company is Tracey Robertson (possibly where Tracey R came from). The game is also being worked on by co-founder Nathan Mayfield (who was running the Maxwell Group website) and Kelly Chapman.
It appears the game was commissioned by ABC and Yahoo7, as both were past clients of Hoodlum. This was unofficially confirmed when, during Chapter 1 of the game, the official sites of ABC and Yahoo7 hosted a game needed to complete the chapter. The initial press release announcing Oceanic Airlines' return to the airways was also released via ABC Medianet.
The Maxwell Group is a Division of Widmore Industries (See Widmore Corporation)
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Yeah baby.
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Not likely, node...The writers may work for Bad Robot....but ABC controls where the secondary runs of LOST will air. So even if Bad Robot says..."Ok...we'll give you THIS much more for, say, DVD revenue"...the writers still have to deal with ABC on internet runs and other residual issues of repeats and syndication, etc. I'm sure Bad Robot would pay whatever it takes to get the show going again...but ABC ain't budging...so there's no point. That Letterman writers deal was a whole other animal, my friend.
Good points on Left Behind... I always say "Kate killed her step dad" in threads BECAUSE of this episode...and I'm always corrected with a thrashing "REAL FATHER"!!...Glad I'm not the only one confused. And Juliet DID kick some Kate ass...but I dunno about super strength yet. Who knows what kind of martial arts training she may of had before we met her in Miami...or once she got TO the island. I think that was the writers having fun tearing down this strong character in Kate by letting Miss Other trounce her thoroughly. Now...If all that fighting had ended in long wet kisses between the two...well...Left Behind would have gotten the EPISODE OF THE UNIVERSE award!
Yes...I want to know why Smokie merely "scans" sometimes...and reacts violently on others. What is it "thinking"? Assessing threat levels? Scanning people for goodness/evilness? Is it not "scanning" at all...and is just "on the fritz"...sort of a broken relic from the old Dharma days?
And Kate's BEST LINE is dead on...so funny how the writers tip their hats to what the fans are saying and writing about online. Everytime you think you have LOST figured out...you don't.
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when I saw that smokie had a flash light in its arsenal....I loved the flashes, I loved the mud and I loved the fence...
also how good is Sayid by not trusting Juliett...Jack is a bit of a bitch to him but if Sayid really decided not to take Juliett Jack would have to abide or get his ass handed to him..... -
I laughted out loud too..whats Jack going to do to Sayid..Jack face him to submission.....also all Sayid would need to do is bring them back to camp and no matter how much Jack protection he can muster, if Sayid wanted answers, he had enough allies to make Jack disappear for a while til he got them...
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I loved the way Juliet looked at Kate when she attacked her. Kind of like Now why did you do that...I was trying to help.
I also thought Sawyer’s girl that Kate bailed out at the gas station was the hottest woman on Deadwood (Joni).
Interesting Locke said forgiveness isn’t one of their strong suits, but if they are “connected” to the island, the island seems to expect redemption. Nice.
Hurley conning Sawyer may have been one of the best side things ever written.
Does anyone know if that canister was the same thing as Ben opened to kill his Dad?
I have trouble believing Juliet was gassed too....at least gassed without a purpose. She does look hot asleep, though.
Of all the wigs they use, they get the one in this episode right. Hmmmmmmm...
Nice cat fight. Hard ending to it, but great beginning to the next scene. I like the ending of that too. Are we safe? You tell me.
You can’t help who you love. That may be Kate’s story with Jack and Sawyer.
With all Juliet said she knew about Jack, no wonder Kate saw her as an obstacle. Jack didn’t help much with the “even Juliet” comment.
Smokie wasn’t tethered to the ground.
I loved the Sawyer scene where he was politicking, holding the baby, understanding Hurley was right, then looking at Sun and realizing he still had work to do. Great.
I wonder how the Kate discovering Sawyer was the other man in Cassidy’s life will work out?
If you say the reason you’re taking someone back home with you that your “family” doesn’t trust and the reason why is that because she was left too, that doesn’t mean you now trust her, does it? It could mean I realize when they left her it might have been as a plant, but maybe it’s better to have them where we can watch them and possibly use them to our advantage...couldn’t it?
I’m just sayin............
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One of Us
Jack returns, but no one is in the mood for celebrating when they see that Juliet has come back with him. As Juliet struggles to find a way to be accepted, flashbacks show how she came to the island and what she was doing during those three years. She sees a chance to help when Claire suddenly develops a dangerous illness, but Sawyer and Sayid are reluctant to trust her.
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I think that even thougbh it was established by Kate's Army step- father that the man that she killed was her real Father I believe that she was so repulsed and sickened by that idea that she kept calling him her Step-Father.
I love the scene where Sawyer had to gut the fish. Its my thoery that Jaliet placed herself in the forest with Kate and pretended to be knocked out in order to gain Kates trust.
Im curious if after the treck to the temple if the Others will ever return to the houses.
I love how Aaron crys when Sawyer says hi and Sawyer's comment about him being less winklely
Smoke Monster - I remember Eko & Locke comparing notes about their encounters with it and how different they were. Although it kind of flashed when it was scanning Eko and the flashback images of his life apeared one after the other.
Kates Mom is a jerk, she was true to her word, when she saw her next in the hospital she called the police after her operation.
Smokey is definatly hovering above the ground, but maybe since it hovers it can't rise high enough to get above the fence. Or maybe since its a sonar fence and seem to emit some sort of sound the Smoke Monster can't take the sound, bsides the energy force maybe hurting it and so it flees?
Kate seemed to hold her own it a number of instances. I remember Sawyer when he sizes up Pickett & the Others how he said that most of them were week except for two and then that Juilet would not have hesited to shoot Kate earlyer. The current Juliet is a lot tougher then she was before the island, Im guessing that theres a flashback that will show more of what she went through on the island that was so horrible and or trained her to be tough?
My guess as to why Sayid let Jack bring Juliet with them was that even though he was sceptical and could have taken him down by now there was some sort of trust built up and also he probably felt that this was the best way to figure out what the Others were up to. I mean he did practically use Sun & Jin for bait at the begining of the season.
I love it how Sawyer & Hurley are not quite growing a friendship, but at least a mutual respect for each other. Its like Ben said if you want to gain a Conmans respect you have to con them. Its something how many times that Sawyer gets conned this season first with Ben and them with Hurley on Ping Pong and now with the being nice. Not to mention in season 2 playing cards with Jack. I was actually wondering if maybe Sawyer might take some sort of leadership role, maybe next season. -
Cloverfield coming out tomorrow, trailers for Star Trek happening, his new scifi TV pilot, Fringe, is getting made, and best of all, of course, Lost returns in ...
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That's 2 weeks from tonight, brothers!
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I forgot abpout her, node. You are correct. Carrie, who also played the hot blonde on the bar in Cyote Ugly, was indeed the hottest.
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The other smokie comment...go back and watch. In the fence scene slow it down. There are specific places in that scene where htere is space between smokie and the ground.
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Much better than the movie of the same name! Better effects, and no Kirk Cameron! Ok, seriously, another strong episode. Locke's leaving did seem as odd as Jack's conversation with Kate 2 episodes ago. What are we missing? So Kate and Juliet recover from the gassing while it's still daylight, spend the night hiding under the trees from Smokie, then finally make it back to Otherland the next day, and Jack is still gassed on the floor? Sayid not recovered yet either? Explain that - did Jack get an extra dose of gas? Jackface! Jack wants Juliet to come too. Sayid wouldn't take out Jack - it would come back to haunt him. Somehow the Losties back at camp would find out he's responsible if he hurt or killed Jack. Can't trust a word that Juliet says. As much as you want to believe her, she's just as slippery and deceivious as Ben. By the way, don't you love Hurley's Dharma van circling around on the main menu of this disc?
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Looks like Sayid got ahold of the Walkie Talkie
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I agree with rbrog, in one scene its hovering as it comes toward the pylons and then Juliet turns it on and it smacks into the fence. I figure that since it looks like it hovers it does not have the power to rise any higher in order to go over the fence. I believe that the pylons also made a sound which Im guessing the smoke monster can not stand so it runs when it hears it.
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I was wondering that also, Im guessing that they were just put there by the Others when they knew that Juliet & Kate would return as part of a big plan.
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Maybe we one of the last Mobisodes will show why Locke was so abrupt with Kate and the Others tellingb him what Kate had done.
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I haven't really examined the pictures of smokie but my thought was that if he is "attached to the ground" then when we see him hovering there is a part of him still atched to the ground, perhaps coming from a vent as suggested by the blast door map. The times that we see smokie go up high in the air, perhaps the vent was closer so he had more room to stretch up and didn't need to go as far out. Just a thought. Have we seen a picture of smokie where he/it is in the entire frame so we can confirm if he is attached to the ground?
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good call Node..I actually liked ehr when she said that line, then two minutes later we see her gping over the plan with ol' Bug eye himself....brilliant
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All the Losties have something to hide...and her shining a big 'ol spotlight on their past transgressions was illuminating...BUT...
She revealed that she knows things that only Sawyer & Sayid know about themselves. So...I hope we get to see a scene where Sawyer & Sayid TALK about that fact...Like..."Wait a minute...how the hell did that Other bitch know so much about us?"...I mean...at some point, the Losties HAVE to start wondering...How do they know about Basra...How do they know my real name is James Ford...How did they know I was a spinal surgeon...How did they know my real name is Hugo...How did they know I was in a wheelchair before the crash...
It's getting pretty frustrating how the Losties aren't asking those type of questions, if not to Ben or Juliette, then to each other!! At some point...they have got to start asking themselves..."What if our being here wasn't an 'accident' afterall?"
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Big E...I was teaching primary 1 today..that is 27 four year old children running around the place..
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I'm a teacher too! I teach fourth grade. I'm lucky though, my class is only 16 students. It can be crazy at times.
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Any guesses on which suprissing character will get a flashback this year? Is this the year we get a Russeau(?)flashback? Maybe Jacob? I would give my middle nut to see a Richard flashback?
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Yeah, my screen name comes from probably my favorite Lost moment. Definately the creepiest. I think I do remember them saying something about a Rousseau flashback later this season (if that ever happens). I feel the same way about the DGA settling. Hopefully we will see an end to this soon enough that it doesn't ruin the rest of seaon 4.
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I watched One of us waiting for and riding on a plane to take me home last night from Philly. Hope my thoughts make no less sense than usual.
I love how Sayid looks at Juliet when they make camp. Then “Okay, let’s have it.” “I want to know...:” “Who are you?” If I told you you’d kill me. What do you think I’ll do if you don’t?
WOW!!
I forgot Claire got sick in this episode. But better, I also didn’t remember she was sick before Juliet ever came to camp. The we find out later Ben "activaqted the implant"? What?
I can’t wait to see how intense the trip to get to the island in the sub is...at least, I hope we find out....if it actually was intense. hmmmm...
"You’ll see things there (the island) you never imagined." So says Richard. Ya think??
Almost a reluctant handshake between Juliet and Ben when they met. Interesting.
3 men and a baby because Sawyer counted Hugo twice. hahahahahahahahahahaha
Sawyer had a great relieved look when he saw Kate...better than before that when he saw Jack. I think he might have been relishing the thought (at least) of being the leader. And then the hug...awwwwwwwwwww...
Juliet’s non-verbal response when Sawyer said what the hell is she doing here was great. And the Hurley and Juliet talk was wonderful. “I had the day off” was classic, as was Hurley’s mention of “We buried him over there”."
God!! Could you hate anyone more than Ben on the rocks when he told her her sister had cancer again. Then he says 2 things interesting. First, no trace on the island of cancer...at least at that point. Then he mentions Jacob and asks Juliet if she “believes” in him. Again, an interesting choice of words.
An interesting question from Jack...was she (Claire) showing any symptoms before we got back. Now what the hell would that have to do with anything?
The entire scene in the kitchen with Juliet and Ben was incredible. Originally, I thought this (and the scene where she see’s the TVs) was confirmation of the alternate dimension theory. Now, I don’t have a clue. Pretty cold Ben saying No to you can’t go home.
Moral police? YES!! Who owns who here in the scene with Juliet Sawyer and Sayid?
Did you notice Ben asked Goodwin and Ethan to get lists as they watched the plane crash and were instructed to become a survivor?
I still wonder why Patchy cut the video feed at that moment. I originally thought (because of the alternate universe theory) that they cut the feed at that moment because Juliet was there. Seeing herself in another place at the same time she was viewing the stream would...well, besides giving a lot away, probably be a little mind blowing.
On the other hand, a clone would also be a possibility for that reason, wouldn't it?
Jack’s playing her on the beach. Bet ya. Just as sure as she’s playing him, as sure as Ben set it up, as sure as the tides rise in winter.
So why the implant in Claire? What is the implant. Besides making her sick, what does it do? I really want to know this.
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I was watching the deleted scenes from the Season 3 Blue Ray disc and one of them takes place when Sawyer and Kate are working on the chain gagng busting rocks. Picket says something to Sawyer about wanting to know what they are doing and then tells him they are building a runway. Sawyer acts as if he doesn't care and Picket yells "Don't you want to know what your building a runway for?" And of course Sawyer just replies "It's your beeswax". My question is how does this relate to Juliet's comment. Since this is a deleted scene, was the Juliet scene in palce of this one? Or was this the second reference to the runway? Or, did Juliet just say they were building a runway because she heard Picket tell Sawyer that? Either way, they weren't getting very far on the runway so we will probably never find out the truth or get to see what it was for.
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I'll be watching the back of my eyelids.
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I subbed in an elementary and taught phys ed. once. Having 24 5 and 6 year olds running around playing a game is just asking for trouble! That's why I like teaching teenagers - most of them are or are close to being somewhat reasonable adult humans.
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The Directors have historically only taken a day or two to strike before they gbet what they want. While the writers are important the Directors carry around way more weight. When the writers strike the studios still have about 4 or 5 months of stuff to work on, but when the Directors stike everything pretty much grinds to a halt. Plus the Directors usually have more big name power. What also really sucks for the writers is that since it is takingb so long and we are now begbining to feel the pain of nothing new coming out the bad feelings for the studios heads is slowly shifting towards the writers.
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Heres an example rigbht in the begbining of the episode of Kate & Jack comparing notes about what Jack had been doing after Kate excaped.
Man Juliet looks hot in the first scene when Sayid is interagating her.
Man Richard & Ethan are creepy.
I love the Hurley, Juliet scene.
I wonder why Ben didn't want Juliet to take any of the women off the island.
So this means that Karl is an X-Ray Technition? He doesn't seem old enough to be able to do that.
Man what great acting beyween Juliet & Ben in the kitchen.
I love how this connects to the season opener and confirms it for me about Juilet being so sad in the opening scene. I love Ben's "Don't shoot us" as he was aproaching Mikial's place.
It was interesting how Ben & Juliet were trying to read each other after Ben asked are you ok?
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Theres a really good interview with M.C. Gainny (Tom) He was the naked running man in Con Air. He did a lot of villians in shows like A-Team, Knight Rider and others. M.C. stands for Mike Conner. He worked with Carlton on Briscoe County.
Darlton said that maybe Juliets sister never was sick.
Darlton debunks the rumor about some huge unrevealed clue is in the season 1 premiere. Everything in the premiere has been answered to at least some extent.
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more Smokie explanations...thats what im talking about
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What are the most out there, unexplainable by common human notion lost moments???
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The dead walk about
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Des can see into the future
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Jacob the invisible man
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The Island cannot be seen by the outside world...also something to do with a button being pressed every 108 minutes..also time travel maybe
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There is a huge coloum of fucking black smoke, monitoring, gathering data, judging, chasing and killing people
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some of these have been addressed and I forgot all about Richard Alpert....but these are huge bits of lost where we have to dispel belief and I cant wait for seome explanations of some of these things,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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hope to be back more this weekend and next week after a very sluggish week from myself...
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My Colombo impression there........if the Island has some healing powers, could it not help with Ben and Sawyers sight....Saywer only started getting sore heads when on the island(that we know of)..maybe the Island will only heal those who are worthy..aka Rose and Locke
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I typed in Glasses in Lostpedia and it lead me to this Lord of the Flies reference. Never read the book, anyone can tell me who Piggy is?
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This show is about opposites. Claire had Aaron right when Boone died, Ben got his Tumor when Locke & Rose arrived and were healed. Sun got pregnant after Jin returned to camp which wasn't to long after Shannon was shot. I would bet that at the time that Sawyers vision started to fail and the moments when Locke lost his ability to walk that someone had some sort of healing. Also when Ana, Libby, Eko and Charlie died someone recieved somesort of healing. Which now that I mentioned it one of those deaths probably caused Lockes resurrection. All of it kind of a balence of energy sort of thing. Things balencing out so to speak. Just a theory feel free to pick it apart.
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Can't have a day go by without the countdown!
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pa...I like your opposites analogy...Not so sure Sawyer's failing sight/headaches is as important as we may speculating...but the balance of all those events is something to think about for sure!
But...rather than opposites...I was thinking of something the Losties have a lot in common...Daddy Issues.
Jack - Check
Locke - Double Check
Kate - Triple Check!
Hurley - Check
Charlie - Check
Ben - See Kate
Sun - Check
Jin - Check
Sayid - Unknown
Claire - Unknown
Desmond - Unknown (Unless you count Charles Widmore)
Penny - Check?
Shannon & Boone - Check?
Walt - Check
Michael - Unknown
Sawyer - Check
Vincent - Check
Well...Vincent is pure speculation...but we know his mom was a real bitch. Sorry! I dunno...lotsa characters with Daddy Issues...almost as if they might have been "singled out" by someone because of their problems with their father figures.
Just twidling my thumbs for another 12 days...trying to control the drooling.
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I would add...
#6. Talking "Hurley" Birds
#5. Island of Infertility...where pregnancy is a "death sentence".
#4. Mysterious Food Drops...from who knows who?
#3. Electromagnetic Surges That Turn The Sky Purple
#2. Backwards Talking Walt
#1. Strange Whispers In The Jungle
And of course...how they got a shark to hold still long enough to get a Dharma tattoo.
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Is super Ethan really have super powers or is he just a really great fighter who got lucky?
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as cans of Darma beer gbet thrown at him for the last comment.
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Yeah, Darlton confirmed during Comic-Con two years ago that the Daddy issues are an important theme in Lost.
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lets not forget bad nothers...
Kate mums a bitch...
Locke's mums a bitch
Jin's mums a bitch
Cliare's aunt is a bitch
Hurleys mum is funny but annoying and over critical to Hugo(first time i've ever called him Hugo I think)
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Parents leave those kids alone
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Not sure how you left her off - being that she refuses to see her dad. Did she have a different father figure in her life growing up?
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Interesting - we know a lot about the dads of the Losties, but the moms haven't been nearly as prominent. Walt's mom was definitely unstable, if not necessarily a bitch.
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Now that's interesting. If you tie it in with the daddy thing, and BigE's comment about the mommies, you've got something similar to Carnivale.
In that show, Ben had healing powers. But if he healed something else had to be stricken. He healed a girl with polio and the crops all died. He healed a friend who was about to die from being tarred and feathered and birds that were circling all died.
Additionally, his powers were handed down generationally...with a twist. See, there were always 2 people on earth that had these powers. One good. One bad. (Interesting side not is the bad one was Clancy Brown.) But whatever their fathers were, the sons were the opposite.
The mommy thing is the moms were nuts. Loopy. Commitable. But only after...I don't remember if it was after childbirth or after sex with a healer.
So if applied to this show we could say the opposites might be our Ben and Locke, each of which had their fathers killed (also a part of Carnivale), and we don't know about Ben's mom, but we do know Locke's was nuts.
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Pushing Daisies. If Ned brings something back to life for over a minute, something else dies. "It's a proximity thing".
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ABC has posted the "official" synopsis for the Re-Cap Special, Ep. 4.1 and Ep 4.2...
Here's the re-cap special:
ABC once again invites new and avid "Lost" viewers to take another look at one of the most talked about and critically acclaimed shows. "LOST: Past, Present & Future" will explore the series in a way that will bring new viewers up to date -- but which current viewers will also find illuminating in anticipation of the fourth season premiere episode. The special will take an in-depth look at the mysteries of both the island and its inhabitants and recap the secrets that have been revealed, as well as those that remain unanswered.
Here's Ep. 4.1:
In the season premiere episode, "The Beginning of the End," feeling that their rescue is close at hand, the survivors don't know whether to believe Charlie's final message that the people claiming to liberate them are not who they seem to be. The band of friends, family, enemies and strangers must continue to work together against the cruel weather and harsh terrain if they want to stay alive. But as they have discovered during their 90-plus days on the island, danger and mystery loom behind every corner, and those they thought could be trusted may turn against them. Even heroes have secrets. "Lost" stars Naveen Andrews as Sayid, Henry Ian Cusick as Desmond, Emilie de Ravin as Claire, Michael Emerson as Ben, Matthew Fox as Jack, Jorge Garcia as Hurley, Josh Holloway as Sawyer, Daniel Dae Kim as Jin, Yunjin Kim as Sun, Evangeline Lilly as Kate, Elizabeth Mitchell as Juliet, Terry O'Quinn as Locke and Harold Perrineau as Michael. Guest starring are Mira Furlan as Danielle Rousseau, Sam Anderson as Bernard, L. Scott Caldwell as Rose, Tania Raymonde as Alex, Blake Bashoff as Karl, Marsha Thomason as Naomi, Michael Cudlitz as Mike Walton, Lance Reddick as Matthew Abbadon, Grisel Toledo as orderly, Steven Neumeier as Lewis, Billy Ray Gallion as Randy, Jeremy Davies as Daniel Faraday and John Terry as Christian Shephard.
And here's the Ep. 4.2 synopsis "Confirmed Dead":
The survivors begin to question the intentions of their supposed rescuers when four strangers arrive on the island. Guest starring are Ken Leung as Miles, Jeremy Davies as Daniel Faraday, Rebecca Mader as Charlotte, Jeff Fahey as Frank Lapidus, Mira Furlan as Danielle Rousseau, Tania Raymonde as Alex, Blake Bashoff as Karl, Marsha Thomason as Naomi, Lance Reddick as Matthew Abaddon, Jill Kuramoto as female anchor, Necar Zadegan as translator, Azure McCall as Mrs. Gardner and Kanayo Chiemelu as African/Tunisian man.
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I mention it over on the other talkback but I am going to have to invest in them.....
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Duh...Yes...I'm an idiot. Claire has father issues, too! I shoulda said..."See Jack". Sayid seems to be the only core Lostie we haven't seen flashback far enough back to meet his parents. Nor do we know the status of Juliette's folks.
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Fun reading the stuff you are posting!Keep it up!In Germany I get season 4 in March!AHH I cant wait!Hope Ben dies a gruesome death!Keep it up guys!
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Michael Emerson is too good of an actor to kill off - yet, TD. I hope Ben sticks around in some form for a little while more. Maybe even becoming an ally someday, perhaps.
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Finally finished the episode this afternoon. Sure makes you alternately love and hate Juliet! Did she always wear those blue contacts? Sure makes her eyes striking. Actually, she looks good the whole episode - eating ice cream, crawling out of the sub .... I'd better be careful here! Does the name of the airport or airline mean anything - "Heratar?" Alpert gives that great line about time flying on the island - definitely a huge clue! Right??? Practically everything Ben says is a lie, or at the very least, a twist on the truth. Yet Juliet still goes along with him. Why didn't Jack insist someone go with Juliet as she went to look for medicine? I was glad that Sawyer and Sayid went looking for her - wouldn't make sense to let her run off into the jungle on her own if they don't trust her. Definite favorite line: Hurley's "..he's buried over there." 2 discs left to go!
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Something just occured to me. According to Ben's flashback his Mom died while giving birth to Ben. (No idea how Ben would remember that) About ten years or more later his Dad toke the Darma job and they came to the island. So since his Mother died while giving birth could there be a connection to or even could he be the cause of all the women on the island dying at child birth and thats why he wants to find a cure?
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Ya think ABC would promote this a little more, huh? Just kidding - it's everywhere!
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Lost is one of the only things on that isn't a rerun or reality TV practically. Although Smallville has a few new upcoming episodes right before Lost comes on. So both of my shows are on the same night.
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I don't get the WB or CW or whatever, so I've never really watched Smallville except when they run syndicated repeats on the weekends.
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Smallville at 8pm, Lost at 9pm
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Wait to u hear this...
its 1130 on a rainy cold Irish morning and I flick on the TV....Murder She wrote: Celtic Riddle was on
who was there but Mrs Hawkins(our favourite time bending future seeing old hag)..
BUT WAIT..THERE'S MORE
whilst watching it and shaking my head at teh horrible attempted Irish accents I saw a man that I noticed....i thought 'I recognise that person from Lost'..
I went on IMDB and saw him, Borther Cambell aka Desmonds superior Monk in Lost...teh same man who had a picture of him and Mrs Hawkins on his desk...
huge coincidence ehhh....the same two people who we have never seen together in the lost world but we know have a connection are on the saem terrible televison show on a rainy sunday morning....LOST -
costs £90 which I belive is close too $180 for teh two seasons...nuts
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has Daddy issues as well...the stupid fucking dad didnt want to keep him and pushed Claire away...silly boy
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Catch 22
Desmond convinces Hurley, Jin, and Charlie to follow him on a trek through the jungle after he receives a series of visions. Flashbacks reveal the time that Desmond spent with a cloister of monks. Meanwhile, a despondent Kate turns to Sawyer for companionship after seeing Jack and Juliet together.
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We're picking up steam!
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I was watching the Terminal (Tom Hanks movie) last night and noticed that Sawyers Prison Warden was one of the airport officials.
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Fantastic episode from start to finish...even though Des's backstory wasnt the best it did lead up to the meeting of Penny and the horrible explanation of why calls everyone brother...Niome and chalries death?? as well as teh flash superman conversation..brilliance..
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full weekend to go b4 season 4...ooo teh tingkes are starting....we are getting no tv spots or anything over ehre so find urselves very lucky some buzz is happening over tehre??? what is happening promotion wise anyways?? i'd love to know how teh states do it??
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I saw it and No country for Old men over in our local bookstore today and wondered if they are worth the purchase
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Im trying to write a song called 'we got to get back' for teh gig I ahve on teh 31st..but dont know if the band wil play it....if not were going to play 'get back' by the beatles..that would work just fine..namaste one and all
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Most networks run their logos in the bottom corner during prime time - might be transparent, but it's there. They've been including a "Lost returns Jan. 31" in addition to the ABC logo.
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Don't you get it the following week? Will you avoid the boards to miss spoilers, or will we still "see you" around?
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I rented Smokin' Aces this spring and found it interesting that they shared screen time. Fox's wig was right out of Lost wardrobe central! Took me a few moments to realize that was him too.
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I forgot to mention that Best Buy had season 3 for sale for $29.99 last week. Sorry. This week I noticed that Best buy has season 2 for $29.99 and Curcuit City has season 1 for $29.00.
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“Did you eat those mushrooms Jack warned us about?” “Future crap”. I love Hurley.
Kate was hot in her tent. And Sawyer’s look, tongue hitting the ground, afternoon delight...her pushing him out of the way, “mix tape” hahahahahahahaahhaaha
My thought during the scene with Jack and Kate and the oatmeal was Jack was keeping his friends close (Kate) and his enemies (Juliet) closer.
Interesting that Des had the thought about Penny spending the last 3 years looking for him and we find in the finale she has.
Okay, so Ruth was left 1 week prior to the wedding after dating for 6 years and still welcomed Des in with a cup of tea? I’ve heard of being civil, but...damn!!
I bet I know what nodes FAVORITE line is. Could be an OTHER though.
The Flash/Superman conversation I originally thought was a clue due to the vibration thing...he vibrated to a parallel universe. The Naomi thing was a puzzle. If she’s not on Penny’s boat, then how did she know Des? Did we ever find that out?
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Saw Cloverfield Saturday, and I noticed a slight difference in the LOST trailer there from the one we see on TV. On TV there's a reflection in the water which has been refered to as possibly a city. In the theater the water was either murky or had stuff growing in or floating on it...no reflection.
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So I thought that Harry always does a Best of the Year. What happened to that? And I thought that Moriarty said that he was going to do a shout out for us with respects to the previous talkback? What happened to that?
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We will get it on the sunday night on sky television, unfortunatly I don't have sky but I will be trying to get it to watch on the friday if u catch my drift(wink wink)...so i'll avoid teh talkbacks until I watch it and tehn hopefully you folks will still be about and I can share some views....
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Was taching English today and who was in a role in the Gary Sinese version 'Of Mice and Men'..none other than our very own Christian Shepard...nice to see him in a show not drunk and annoying his obsessive son
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The movie trailer got finished long before the ABC promo guys "added" the cityscape reflection in the water that we now see in the TV spots. I think they added that as a subtle hint that we'll be seeing a lot more "civilization" this season.
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That's the mystery...isn't it? How does Naomi know Desmond...and have a picture of him & Penny...if she didn't arrive on "Penny's Boat"?
Well...my simple answer is...It's her Dad's boat. I believe Chuck Widmore banished Des to that island as a sort of makeshift "prison"...since the military prison wasn't able to keep Des out of Penny's life. (Who wants to bet that Charles had something to do with Desmond ending up in that military prison, as weil?!).
I think Charles knows ALL ABOUT Craphole Island...knows about the hatches...and Dharma...and was keeping tabs on the island...which gave him a "head start" in getting HIS team there before Penny's team...as he knows exactly where to look for it...Penny's Boat has the coordinates now...but Charles already had a boat standing by to investigate the electromagnetic anomoly.
Naomi worked for Chuck Widmore, is what I'm trying to say. But I think she was genuinely surprised to find survivors from Flight 815 there...since the official release from the NTSA & Oceanic listed 815 as "found with no survivors". She was only looking for Desmond...she was probably gonna swing by the Swan hatch and make sure he was still inside, dutifully "pushing the button".
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That's what I believe too. I wonder if we are right.
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D.O.C.
Sun learns what happens to pregnant women on the island. Juliet takes her to the Staff in order to learn the baby's D.O.C. (Date of Conception). Sun recalls how she learned about Jin's parents. Meanwhile, the woman who dropped from the sky is dying, and Desmond and Charlie clash as an adversary arrives who can help her.
Writer: Adam Horowitz, Edward Kitsis, Director: Frederick E.O. Toye
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I told you that Im stubborn like Jack. I played around with usernames and then I tried setting up an new hotmail account. I ended up setting up a live account which is actually an extention of my original hotmail account. So since I now have a second e-mail adress Ain't It Cool let me make another Username.
The new name is
4we8have15to16go23back42
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hhow can we do shortened version of that....????
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once again Lost tips their hat to the fans and opens up a new mystery that we have discussed...brilliant from them
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I'd like to stick with pb...taht way when were on teh new talkbacks that begin i can address you and no one will have a clue who im talking too, except for us select few
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Mikhail getting beaten up again...
I'd love to get a translation for what Niome was saying
Roundhouse Jin..excellent
Sun looks fantastic in the flash back
Juliett is a lovely helpful woman in this episode..decietful bitch
I'm glad Jin's the father and not baldy window faller
there is an aweful lot of sperm on that Island...Sawyer has expelled billions already into Kate, Ana and god knows who else..probably Vincent if he was feeling lonely
there was a severe lack of Vincent in season 3..without Walt and Shannon to take care of him, we see very little of him
Hurley and Charlie are gold when they are on screen, especially when near Jin and Desmond...tehy are Losts little Stand by me group...love it
this episode was the calm before the storm...absolutly love where it goes from here on in
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That new name is going to take a while to get used to! You need to go back!! To paburrows!
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I too have to finish this one up yet, but I did notice a few things.... like when the guys are whistling on the beach? I always thought that tune was called "Theme from Bridge on the River Kwai," but the closed captioning says "Colonel Bogey's Theme." Also, how many episodes opened with Previously, and then we see Desmond saying "Yar gonna die, Charlie?" That's at least twice this season, and at least one more to go, I'm sure!
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Correct name of the whistling tune.
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I thought the picture on the monk's desk, of the brother and Mrs. Future vision lady, looked pretty lousy as far as photoshop goes. What language was the Catch 22 book - Portugese, right? Loved Sawyer's mix tape - so what does Bernard use to listen to Phil Collins on the island, anyway? Can't blame Sawyer for his looks at Kate in her tent, now can you? That Flash vs. Superman conversation sounds like something Quentin Tarintino would write. Like the Silver Surfer dialogue that he put in Crimson Tide. Another solid episode!
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Single digits from here on out!
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It was so intense. The beginning. Every little thing. The conversation with Jack in the garden. The bleeding. The talk with the stranger on the bench. The Naomi knowing Des. The dying. The panic. The need for Jack. The bang. Quiet. Oops....
Wonderful writing.
Sun makes good points to Kate...at least at this point. What is up with Jack. And her scene with Juliet...be careful what you ask, you just might get it.
Patchy did get his ass kicked, but you gotta admit he gives as good as he gets.
Jin’s mother was with many men. So maybe Jin is the illegitimate Son of Paik. Wouldn’t that be a twist.
I had forgotten that Sun asking for money was the reason Jin was “promoted”.
Naomi was great in that scene where they pulled out the branch. Anyone remember what it really was she said to Patchy afterwards?
I wanted to answer Juliet’s “We all make mistakes” with “not on this island we don’t”.
Des is a little trusting where the ultimate outcome is “getting to Penny”. Not even bothering to check Patchy before he let him go? I bet that "trusting nature" comes back to bite him before it’s all said and done.
Caring about someone’s honor more than you care about your own life must be a helluva trait. (Sun caring more it's Jin's than about her dying.)
I had a thought. Juliet’s experiments have never worked. Ben won’t let her go. Since she really wants off the island, might she be lying about when Sun got pregnant? So possibly Ben is told a baby was conceived on the island but was actually conceived off the island is brought to term and considered to be the first true “son of the island” might actually get Juliet off the island. So the twist I mentioned earlier would end up now being a double twist.
Sound like anyone’s writing/plot twists we know and love? Wonder if Jack's envolved?
That ending still sent chills up my spine. Love it!!
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Pa, since you said you were watching the deleted scenes, I was wondering what your take was on the Alien Runway scene. I posted farther up about it. Do you think this was a second mentioning of the alien runway or was it supposed to be the original mentioning that got cut. Either way we know it is something the producers went out of their way to include, so what is it's significance? Any thoughts?
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Anyone else wondering how or why Christian Shephard is listed as a guest star for the season opener? Will we be seing a Jack flashback in the first episode even thought it has already been said that it is centered around another character?
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That review you pasted has me jumping out of my skin. Like that guy, I guess I can say I was having my doubts as well. I mean, seriously! How in the hell could the writers POSSIBLY even acheive the quality and momententum they had going at the end of last season. God I hope this guy is right. I'm so pumped! Great new name btw.
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WTF???!!!!
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I couldn't believe it either, but all the news stations are reporting it. They haven't said how yet but I'm assuming it was drugs. I'm still hoping its not true.
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about Heath Ledger..very sad..the guy had teh world at his feet especially with the Joker coming up.....never good when they are taken soo young and talented..
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since I got the dvd ages ago, and now my uncle who I got into Lost has season 3...he's watched them all but is too lazy to bring them back...bastard.....
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Single digits!
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you guys have been busy.
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you guys have been busy.
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you guys have been busy.
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for the triple posts
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RIP ...
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Have you ever had a good feeling while you were sleeping? I had a dream about Lost season premiere being on tv in my dream. I woke up like it was Christmas and was quickly dissapointed. 9 more days huh, BigE?
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Yes - I'm still pushing the button! Until Lost returns!
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My thoughts ... Sun's got some nerve to be hanging around that garden by herself. Are they brave enough to do things without pairing up? Because on this island, we know how unsafe that is! I swear the first time I saw this episode I knew that was Jin's mom when she sat down. Actually, I thought it was the same actress that played the Jade Fox in "Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon," but imdb.com says otherwise. She is the woman that plays the Geisha in the iconic shot from Blade Runner where you see her picture in a huge digital billboard. They used a poor match for a stuntman when Jin chases Patchy through the jungle. Check it out - balding one second, full head of hair the next, then balding again. Still, we get to see Kung Fu Jin! Juliet isn't making any effort not to be creepy - why not just talk to Sun quietly, why sneak into her tent in the middle of the night and put her hand over Sun's mouth? Freakiest line of the whole season that blew all my theories was Naomi's at the end. How do they confirm everyone was dead is the plane is down so deep? Sounds a little nitpicky, but another great episode, of course.
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Mobisode #12 - “The Envelope”
[A timer is beeping. Juliet runs to the oven and gets her muffins out. She burns her hand. The doorbell rings. She runs her hand under water. It’s the woman from the beginning of ATOTC, Amelia. Amelia gets her something from the freezer.]
Juliet: I’m fine. I’m really fine. I just, I need to clean up before everyone gets here. Thank you.
Amelia: It’s him, isn’t it?
Juliet: What? Who?
Amelia: Ben. Did you invite him today?
Juliet: Thanks for [….Things are kinda awkward…]
Amelia: Finally told you how he felt, huh?
Juliet: He didn’t, he didn’t say anything. It’s just complicated. Okay?
Amelia: Complicated doesn’t make you cry.
Juliet: I burned my hand.
Amelia: That doesn’t make you cry either. What happened Julie?
Juliet: I think, I think we’re in big trouble.
Amelia: Are we?
Juliet: I need, if I show you something, do you promise not to tell anyone? Do you swear? Not anyone.
[Amelia nods her head. Juliet goes to a drawer and pulls out a large manila envelope from under the silverware tray. She starts to open it, and the doorbell rings.]
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First, sorry I'm barely here. I'm in the middle of 3 weeks of 12 classes in 4 different cities. Still watchbacking, but barely posting.
Pa - Sounds like a great idea, watching the deleted scenes. Fitting it into the Watchback schedule would mean either Friday or Saturday, or possibly Tuesday next week. If you want to pick a day for it I'll do my best to accommodate.
Last (I think), I don't think the name Amelia is a coincidence...I think it actually might be her. The one and only Amelia.
And wouldn't that be interesting.
Okay, so 1 more thing. No one said anything, as far as I can tell by scanning through the talkback, about my theory that Juliet is lying about when DOC was. To me is seems to fit into the "I hate you" at the end.
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Yeah, I've had Lost dreams before too. Usually, mine involve me being on the island with the other characters. The last one I had was of Jack trying to teach me to play football which was right after I watched the ep with him and Tom playing catch. It was pretty weird.
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The Brig
After abandoning the Others, Locke takes Sawyer on a trek through the jungle to help him eliminate a common enemy. Meanwhile, back at the beach, the parachutist Naomi has crucial information about flight 815.
Writer: Damon Lindelof, Carlton Cuse, Director: Eric Laneuville
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Come on y'all...fix this strike thing before it's too late.
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I think it's a combination of things.
Does Ben like Juliet in a romantic way? In the mobisode Amelia said "Finally told you how he felt, huh?" That doesn't mean Juliet reciprecated. In fact, Goodwin was still around at that time. There's also nothing in that statement that proves Amelia was talking about Ben. But, when Ben was laying on the operating table and Juliet was speaking to him, Tom said they had a history. He did not say if it was a mutual or 1-sided history. So long story short, we don't know. It could be that Ben did fess up to her, and the reason he wasn't in the book club anymore was because of that fact. Could also be that he sent Goodwin knowing/hoping/believing he would not survive, thus leaving an opening for Ben.
Why is it that Ben having a Tumor makes it so that they are all in troble? All we can do at this point is speculate. Does Ben have "special powers"...and I'm not speaking in the Flash/Superman vein. Are their lives somehow linked to Ben being alive? Remember, every living person on the island is now supposed to be killed according to his "prophecy". If their lives are linked to his...who knows? Maybe he's just got them conned into believing he's the 1st son of the island...born there. I dunno.
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I got up this morning..got my breakfast and accidentially knocked my TV over to sky one..The man from Tallahasse was on..sky are showing lost between 8 and 9 am every morning to get us ready for teh start of season 4..brilliant
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Love Lockes flashbacks...
Locke and Ben light up teh screen again..
Ben is one manipulative fucker
Richard wouldnt be too sad if Ben was tied against that post...wonder why Richard hasnt seen Jacob when he seemingly has been on the island alot longer,,,guess thats one of teh things we need to find out
the actor who plays Cooper is fantastic..bit cold for hell
his attitude towards Sayer even after he finds out he was responible for his revenge lifestyle is fantaastic
the Jabba death of Copper is fantastic..
Sawyer being sick...I think james is in for a hard emotional time this season...
great scene of Locke lifting the dead body of the man who has tortured him for much of life and walking off into teh jungle...taht scene alone should go on Lockes greatest hits...
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Sawyer being sick...I think james is in for a hard emotional time this season...
great scene of Locke lifting the dead body of the man who has tortured him for much of life and walking off into teh jungle...taht scene alone should go on Lockes greatest hits...
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these episodes now are 100% pure class, absolute television gold....genius
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I just finished the Brig, and it's amazing.
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Yeah, I remember Naomi saying that in a later episode, but still ... I don't buy it. Something just smells fishy. Sending down robots to find the Titanic, yeah, I understand that, but flight 815? Wouldn't you assume that it just broke up on impact? I remember them sending subs down to find JFK Jr's plane after he crashed, but that wasn't really out in the middle of nowhere. Call me skeptical, of course I think it's a cover up.
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If you get Entertainment Weekly, there was an article about JJ Abrams and Cloverfield. There was mention of how he loves "boxes," and the mystery of "what's in the box" is more fun that actually finding what's in the box. Of course, at the end of season 1 we had to find out what was in the hatch. Now we've got Ben's magic box. On the video CouP gave a link to last week, JJ was talking about a "magic box" he bought with his grampa at a magic store when he was a kid. To this day, he still hasn't opened it. He'd rather imagine what's inside. I just hope this means that when Lost ends, and it will, we won't be left with unanswered questions and mysteries unsolved!
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Nice full page ad for season 4. Shows the 12 main characters at the top. No Michael - yet. Does anyone know what city skyline that is in the reflection on the water?
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How do we know the old gal is called Amelia? Juliet never calls her that. I see in the transcript she's called that - how do we know that? Did ABC send out that transcript or any info to confirm this?
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The wait is almost over? Just over a week!
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I didn't read your last 2 posts, but I'm sure tempted. Is it going to ruin my enjoyment of the show? Do you wish you hadn't read the spoilers?
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My chance to whine and nitpick - I was reading the episode summaries inside the season 3 DVD set, kind of like the ones rb lists for us during our watchbacks, and guess what I find for the final episode, TTLG? They spell right out that Jack has a flashforward off the island! Now, if I hadn't seen the show at all, like a friend of mine who is waiting to borrow my season 3 set, and I had read that episode summary, I'd be ticked! (Kind of like reading pa's spoilers - I'm skipping them!) So why would they do that for this most povital of episode? There are some people out there who enjoy the show on DVD and have no clue that Jack had a flashforward in the final episode. Kind of ruins it.
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was just as awesome as it was last spring!! I had to keep going on The Man Behind the curtain. Emmy voters, weren't you watching???
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Sure looks like Ben was after more than Juliet's medical skills. As Dead Gay Tom said "those two have history."
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But I was a guy that read the last 80-100 of the final Harry Potter book, just to see what happened first! Only pages of a Harry Potter book I've ever read. I want to go into this season as unspoiled as possible - so thanks for the spoiler warnings.
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If Locke brought Cooper there as Ben said, does that mean Locke has the same power Ben does? So Locke shows up and Ben gets better. But he’s not “ready”. This may be Ben’s greatest con. All to get the others to see “he’s not who we thought he was.” But Locke is special because he was healed. The others need reminding they are there for more important reasons. Interesting comment by Richard.
So where do those “files” they have on “us” come from?
The island demands a sacrifice, so Locke has to kill his father. That should hit home in so many areas, but he still can’t bring himself to do it.
Des has the trust issue, as in who to trust, pretty much down now. But it’s still a single minded trust in the direction of getting to Penny. Still bet it comes back to bite him.
The conversation Locke had with Sawyer about his folks was cold...and tense...and intense.
Loved Sayid’s face when Naomi pulled out the phone/radio.
Kinda funny Cooper used a Sawyerism (Bug Eye) on Ben.
The Sawyer/Cooper scene was awesome. Watching Sawyer figure it out....wow. And when he coolly reached in his back pocket and pulled out the letter....unbelievable.
Blah, blah, blah, blah? If you were about to get your ass kicked...or worse, even in hell, would you say that to the man about to kick your ass?
For some reason my memory of the scene with Danielle I thought no words were spoken.
I didn’t notice last time that Richard did not say to Locke Cooper had to die. He said he had to go. Interesting choice of words.
WOW!! We haven’t heard that line in a while. “Don’t tell me what I can’t do, John.” Okay, so that means Locke, Jack, Claire, and now Ben have all said those words. Did I miss anyone? Did Kate?
We have to go back...to room 23 so we can find out.
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So after all those years, after the island demands a sacrifice, the island gets it’s sacrifice and Sawyer gets his justice/revenge. Wonderful writing. And even afterwards, it makes him sick that he did it.
I always loved that line, I’m on my own journey now.
Wonder where it’ll take him...or us?
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It was said by someone that Amelia was in the S3 bookclub and that she was called by name.
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I know it's not quite in order, but it's a tribute to what we did.
I'm calling you goback23.
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Wonderful spoilers
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The Man Behind the Curtain
Locke confronts Ben and demands that Ben take him to Jacob. Ben complies, but the answers Locke receives are not what he expected. Ben remembers his childhood on the Island, revealing the history of the Dharma Initiative and how the Others came to power. Meanwhile, Juliet's deception is revealed back at the beach, but her and Jack's reactions are quite unexpected.
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u got a mention by a talkbacker on teh stallone 5thday of questioning page....teh talkbacker uses ur old name of course..great to be remembered..haha
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all u folks will be gearing up to watch it..Herc will have posted his episode preview and I will have to wait anotehr 24 hours at least before I can scream or shout about it...I wish I lived in teh states for the next 8 weeks.....
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I'd love for our Losties to team up with the otehrs to fend off teh freighties.......then we have a reason to be on for Ben..the first time since Henry Gale was getting beat up..haha
its a bit predictable and thats prob why it wont happen but Ben can never be trusted, especially if ur on for him...they are in a postion where the writers (if tehy ever start working again) can do what teh hell they want...great bit of writing up to this point and I think it will only get better -
seeing all of your anems in with all of teh otehr fans...this has been going on for 8 months or so....like having a baby..i'll call my child season 4..haha
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im shit at typing, dont know if anyone noticed
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1 week from the end of the era of Room 23 and it's subordinate hidden closet where we all have taken up residence.
We will fondly remember Harry giving the S3 finale 5 stars, the astonishment that there was a flash forward...that people made it off the island, that someone we had met was dead in a funeral home where no one came to visit.
We will remember reviewing, disecting, and comiserating over ever minute detail of that episode. We will harken back to the days of PwnedByStallone, to the days when offput, Novaman, Vader, Lone Gunman, Maniq and others were our constant companions.
We shall evoke the memory of the Watchback...how it was mentioned, became a reality, was scheduled, rescheduled and rescheduled yet again for S1&2. We will recall births, job losses and job gains. We will remember how we discovered our own links between ourselves, not just our love of this show but our education, musical and other links...just like the people on the island.
We will reminisce about the long wait for S3...our Christmases and the next Watchback. We will remember the months we participated, remember the white screen, the anticipation of 10,000, the reaching thereof, and then...
We will remember the nothing...that it stopped...that we had reached the perfect score (as in bowling). That nothing ever accomplished by any other talkback would achieve anything more than we had acchieved. Because we came, we read, we studied, we discussed, we stayed mostly on topic, and we proved that given the right subject and the right set of people, TALKBACK WORKS!!
1 week from today we will all be moving to temporary quarters, filled with strangers, haters, clueless people, and we will see old and new friends.
So, my friends, as we close this chapter we look back. But we must also remember to look forward...for we know not what is to come.
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I printed it. Not on paper, but as a pdf file. 1589 pages.
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That was fucking emotional there....dear god man you near brought a tear to my eye
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than the Lord of the rings trilogy book i got..it was 1300...haha....we beat middle earth
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Couldn't have done it without each of you
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teh battel against teh summer blockbusters to keep going..we beat transformers, die hard, spiderman..taht all seems soo long ago..
and everyone went missing for a while when Harry Potter 7 came out..brilliant..
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are we doing it again until season 5 or 4part B premiers..
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In 9 weeks the first 8 will be through. We don't know where we'll be then. Will the writers be back at work? Will the next 8 start then or will we be in a holding pattern somewhere over the island?
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wish we knew what ocean were talking about.....they could all be in a really big pond on Portland
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its namaste forom me already this night...got another big day tomorrow, I hope to land in with some comment on the man behind the curtain...where Mikhail gets his ass handed to him again..brilliant
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Been meaning to ask you...off topic I'm afraid. I saw the Jouneyman talkback in the top 10 recently. No time to read it though. I thought you might know something about it. Share if you do.
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Sorry, that's a tease. I really do, but I'm not sharing or can't share just yet. But on that day.........I might need your help.
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No one is dying, man! It's been fun posting, that is for sure. What do you think - next week Tuesday or Wednesday, Herc will post his review? I might just keep posting here, instead of the new weekly posts.
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We're just over 200 away, let's take this TB to 1000 as well by next week!
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That's what I love about this board - ask a few questions about the show, and you guys know the answers and post them for right away!
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Not much to say - you guys have echoed most my thoughts already. What an awesome episode! I didn't want it to end, and I wanted to go on to the next episode right away! (Which I did!) I like how the issue of whether the Losties are dead or not was brought up by Cooper. And Naomi talks about the dead bodies found on the plane. My theory - Naomi works for Widmore, who knows flight 815 probably ended up on the island, so he fabricated the dead bodies showing up. And Cooper is really Cooper's clone - I'll bet the real Cooper is still in Florida. As may be the real Juliet and everyone else brought to the island. Love watching Locke work his mental magic on Sawyer. Heck, just loved the episode overall! Bring on "The Man behind the Curtain!"
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I was just perusing the Stallone Talkback. I see that your old name works!
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Yes, just one short week my friends, that is all! Just tonight, my wife, who is no real Lost fan and has not been joining me on the watchback, asked me "when is your Lost TV show returning?" And of course, I knew it was time to post the daily countdown!
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I fly to Denver, CO tomorrow for a full day of business tomorrow...returning to Tampa Saturday. Hopefully time will fly! Nice recap rb...of our little LOST home we've created for ourselves here! I'll be poting more when I return! Namaste, brothas!
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I'll be posting more...when I return. Damn no edit feature!!
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There were several interesting lines at the beginning. Did you notice Ben’s father said “We have to get back”? Then there was the you do remember birthdays. The Locke walking up. Why don’t you start at the beginning? Not that simple, though, huh Ben?
If Ben is not the leader, and he says (indirectly) that we all answer to someone and he answers to Jacob, then who does Jacob answer to?
It’s funny. Locke call Ben the man behind the curtain, the wizard of oz...and basically he’s saying Ben knows it too since he was originally Henry Gale to all of us.
It’s also funny Locke calling him on it. Locke, the believer. Locke the easily conned. Yet he sees through Bens minutia. Interesting.
Okay, so Ben was sort of expecting the plane to crash (I get cancer and a surgeon falls out of the sky), but Naomi’s arrival was a complete surprise. And to everyone’s surprise, Locke announces he and Ben are off to see the real wizard. Tom and Richard’s expression at that moment was like “Waaaaaaaaa???” Ben covered well, Locke came back better. Patchy lives to get his ass kicked.
Ben has so lost control...hanging on by a thread. Alex giving Locke a gun, then Happy birthday dad. And it looks like he tries to get control back with the you don’t go see Jacob, he summons you thing.
Man, Ben’s dad. The day you killed your mom. Stuck here on this island with you. Happy birthday kid.
Right now I want him dead too.
I’m still real curious what the ash was.
Love the line “I think we got some catching up to do.”
I swear the bunnies with the pink eyes look weird...creepy.
I find the conversation Benchild had with Richard revealing. Theory time, rehashed from another post, I’m afraid.
I asked the question earlier if D&C had ever said anyone other than the Losties were NOT dead. Ben’s mother told Ben it wasn’t time. Richard, upon hearing that, told Ben to go home. So again I postulate, suppose the hostiles are dead and found a portal back. The whispers are of those that can’t make it all the way back. That it’s not Ben’s time because it’s not time for his to die. So the losties are not dead, but the crash accidentally put them in a “dead place.” Even the I hate it there take me with you sounds like so many I wanna commit suicide you’re a ghost, you’re dead, I wanna be dead too speeches...like in Beetleguise.
See what this show does to me?
And now Jacob. A creepy “We’re here.” “You sure this is what you want? So be it.” And inside...WHAT A FUCKING SCENE!! WOW!! I could watch that over and over and over again. It’s like something out of a horror flick. Maybe where you are trapped by the dead on a lost island.......
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Ben was nothing more than a janitor. And he rose to a god amongst men. A man with the patience of Job. Because all those years he wanted dad gone, and he had to wait. And wait he did. And he killed his father. And he rose to power. And he lied and connived his way into that position. And he killed more...or at least tried to, to keep his position of power.
And instead he could have moved to DC.
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You know, if you look at this show as a whole...see the big picture, it is very much like a horror flick. Monsters, death, unseen forces. hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Kevin Johnson has got to be Michael. From what I've been hearing about the people that get off the island is that they are not exactly telling the truth about what happened. So it makes perfect sense that Michael would have to change his name. How is he supposed to explain that his plane crashed and only him and his son survived and just happened to find a boat to take them home on the island they crashed on. Along with who ever else leaves the island, there are certain things that would have to be kept secret from the general public. And there are definately things they couldn't explain just because people wouldn't believe it. Smoke monsters, people returning from the dead, a magic island that nobody can find (until recently), etc. Okay, I think I'm starting to rant, but it makes perfect sense for Michael and anyone else who gets off the island to have to lie and cover things up. So Kevin Johnson has to be Michael, but is that related to the guy in the coffin? There is a strong part of me that believes that nothing on Lost is done without a purpose. The newspaper clipping has to have a purpose. Alright, I'm done now.
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Even though I know (or I think I know who gets off the island (even though I wish I didn't)) my fiance and i were discussing who deserves to get off the island. Lets just through out a number, like (?) 6 (?). Who should be the six? I say Jack because of his work to get them off, he has done the most. Desmond, he served his term in the hatch and he has the most to get back to in the real world. Sun, so she doesn't die. And I guess Jin if Sun gets to go. Thats four. How about Claire since she also has a kid. An d the final spot... I say Juliet based on desire and the fact that she was mislead, it was supposed to be six months not three years. My fiance believes Hurley should get to but I dont think he has done anything in particular to earn a seat home. What does everyone else think?
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How about Alex and Karl? Those two deserve to be together without having to worry about Ben trying to brainwash Karl or kill him.
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Obviously Ben, no explanation needed. Locke, specail connection with island and he can walk. Rose, no more cancer. Kate, wanted for murder back home. Sawyer, should be wanted for murder back home. Michael, will be wanted for murder if they ever find out about what he did, plus he has been able to reconnect with his son (sort of). Any thoughts?
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Woke up on the couch, reached for the remote, watched a bit of news. At some point I went to the menu and advanced it as far as it would go...1 week. I then went to the DVR section of the remote and switched to scheduled recordings and waited. After a few seconds, 2 TV selections (separated by Smallville) appeared on Thursday. 1 at 8, 1 at 9.
So not only is the S4 premier less than a week now, on my DVR it's in "record range".
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As in it's decided for them who leaves and who stays? As in the Losties have no say in the matter? I had never looked at it quite that way, but it's probably right.
For me, my thinking was who does not want to stay...or maybe even who does the island want to get rid of.
If you look at it the first way, Jin and Sun (mostly Sun) should not want to stay. Too much riding on the childbirth thing...if in fact the conception was on the island. Claire should not want to stay as Charlie's dead and she would want her baby to have a normal life. Des wants off to find Penny. Juliet wants back to her sister.
But if we look at it from wo does the island not want around anymore we might say Jack as he wants to fight it all the time. If I was the island I don't think I'd want Sayid around. And if the island is really about redemption, those who are not sorry for their sins, like Kate and maybe but maybe not Sawyer would have to go.
But if we go with the gets to leave/stay thing, then you'd earn your way on or off. I have to agree with node about Hurley. I'd also add Des and Juliet to that list. Twisting that to gets to stay, currently I'd say Locke and Ben. But we may find more have earned their way...on or off. -
How does Ben's mom appear outside of his bedroom window, within the parameters of the barrack's sonic fence? There's only three things I can think of. Eiher: smokie has far-reaching vision-creating abilites we aren't aware of; the sonic fence wasn't really turned on at the time; or we were initially misled into thinking that smokie is what actually causes the visions of dead folks. Boggles my mind, so many possibilities!
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http://tinyurl.com/2nkxv7
Looks like a lot of the main actors aren't doing the voices for their respective characters. It sounds like Jack is voiced by Steve Blum, I know that voice anywhere. I'm kinda inbetween with this game. Exploring iconic environments from the show in a 3D space looks awesome, but some of the character models and acting seem kinda cheap. Guess we'll see though... Anyone gonna pick it up? -
very enjoyable
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I like the idea of the Losties getting a ticket off if they have "earned it" according to the island. Locke would have earned the right to stay and Sun would have earned the right to leave. I think Kate would not have earned the right to leave, nor Sawyer. Desmond Im not sure of. Did he piss off the island by trying to save Charlie? Some interesting things to ponder. I like the idea of the fates of the castaways being in the island's hands.
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In case you missed it back in room 23, in anticipation of LOST's glorious return... http://tinyurl.com/3btm5n
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Im definately getting the game. They said the game producers had access to all of Lost's resources so the game should be very authentic in terms of it's conection with the show. I am sad to see that not all the actors are doing their own voices but we still get a good amount of actors providing their voices. Being one of those people that will buy anything Lost related, Im definately getting the game. If I bought Bad Twin and played the Lost Cell Phone Game, you know Im getting this.
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You might have me convinced to pick it up. Interacting with the main characters might be fun, and you know they'll probably have a butt load of easter eggs. Might rent it for PS3 at least.
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I would feel like I was missing part of the Lost universe if I didn't check it out. They have said that we will get other secrets revealed and even thought I know it wont happen or be anything significant Im sucker enough to fall for it. I think it should be pretty fun to play and interact in the world of Lost.
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Node, you might have me beat. If got Seasons 1,2,and 3. Bad Twin, the Lost Cell Phone game and one of the stupid Lost puzzles they sell at Barnes and Nobles. I also almost bought a "Not Penny's Boat" T-shirt from some generic website. Never did but I should have.
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S2&3. I loaned S1 and Bad Twin out.
Node - that was rude, crude, and socially unacceptable...in public places.
See, we would be friends.
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I wouldn't have the Shirtless poster of Sawyer above my bed.
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I have to look for a good "Not Penny's Boat" shirt. The one I found was from some website where I think you type in a phrase and they just slap it on a t-shirt. I need an authentic.
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Did anyone catch Sawyer calling the shlubby prisoner he was conning "Constanza"? XD
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Hi pa. I think I'll watchback the special stuff (out takes, etc.) tomorrow and then comment. Maybe it'll just be me, or maybe us. Join if you want.
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Pink eyes on a white bunny look weird...creepy...spooky...etc.
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I'm a old farmboy. That's a normal colored bunny eye for a white bunny. Creepy looking, but normal. Man, great stuff on here today! An excellent read.
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It's a great read because we have great material
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Not that there's anything wrong with that, Node! I would lose your Lost competition - I've only got S1, 2 and 3 on DVD, though I asked for some related things this Christmas. I was amazed at B+N bookstores how many books there about the TV show! Though pb, you should market your drawings somehow - err, if it's legal. Speaking of legal, I don't know about you guys, but I'm recording all of the shows this season on my DVR. My recorder has a disc burner as well, so I'll make myself my own Season 4 DVD set at the end of the season. But I'll probably just end up buying the official thing when it comes out this next Christamas.
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I don't know about you guys, but The Man Behind the Curtain just blew so many of my pre-existing theories apart that I've almost giving up trying to figure it out. I'm just going with the flow, trying to see what happens next. But you guys post some great theories - probably won't get them all even closely answered until the end of season 6, and who knows what other wrinkles will pop up this year!
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You have to root for Jack and Kate, but I wouldn't call myself a "Jate" fan or whatever you want to label it. And let Sayid find that girl he set free from Iraq, let Sawyer make nice with Cassidy, and heck, even let Locke hook up with Peggy Bundy again.
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You know it!
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What was his name? Nathan Filion, or whatever the actor's name is? That's who she should end up with. Juliet is just too creepy. And Hurley should forgive Starla and take her back.
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I made the mistake and went to the Fuselage and learned enough of whats going to happen this season, that Im gonna be sick. Im tainted!!! :(
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I made the mistake and went to the Fuselage and learned enough of whats going to happen this season, that Im gonna be sick. Im tainted!!! :(
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the double post
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I'll avoid the Fuselage. I used to pop in to Spoilerfix.com a lot, but I'm staying away. I'm going to do my best to be unspoiled this season if it kills me. I'm sure Herc will post a review by Wednesday - I'm staying off that Talkback until after Thursday night! I'm a big fan of The Amazing Race, and it ticks me off how the show has been spoiled over the years. Some jerk always posts who wins somewhere they shouldn't! A few seasons ago, they were doing a story on the show in my local TV guide, and in the middle of the story the author suddenly writes "and speculation is high that so and so will win because the internet community say so." And yes, that team won. Took the fun out of it.
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So they're re-running TTLG Wednesday night, in "enhanced" form, as Node informed us yesterday. Right after I read that I saw the commercial on TV. Looks like "pop-up video" sytle, with little facts showing up on screen. MP, are you guys getting that overseas too?
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I dont think we get taht here...as I said a few days ago season 3 is being repeated in the mornings(and afternoons now)and tahts all the buzz I know about it....there sis no major ad campaign or anything but im sure a few actors will be appearin on tele this week to promote it...in the states and over here..such as Des and Sayid are English, so they will prob be on teh chatshow scene when u guys get Jack, Kate and Sawyer over there doing all teh shows...ill keep u informed of any interviews and gossip
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for a few hours and all I see is shirtless Sawyer talk...haha..brlliant
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I'm avoiding everything until I see it.....cause as u guys said up there..some idiots would intentionally spoil it for u just to be dicks
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Desmond..he has done his time on that Island
so has Juliett
Sun and Jin cause her life depends on it
Claire and Aaron, becasue its a new born and mother
Hurley...for all teh reasons above, plus he could use his millions to try and find the rest of the survivors
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Jack...obvious reason, so I dont need to tell u all waht it is
Locke..same as above
Ben..I think there is some reason ben doesnt want to leave the Island..something that hasnt been revealed yet....maybe he is a marked man and the island is a place of solice for him....the freighties finding the island seems to be Bens worst nightmare...is that because he is afraid of what they will do to him or what the Island will do to him becasue he failed to keep it secret.....I may be well off but its a thought...
Saywer..murderer
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genius...more Ben centric episode's please..
I cant say anything that has not already been said except for teh way Ben talks to Jacob....it is not in teh nature of a man going to see a great wise leader...ben shouts down at him, holds his chair, barks orders and comments at him......maybe Jacob does have alot of power but Ben has found a way to limit his powers so Ben can remain leader....this is teh most intriging aspect of Lost at teh minute for me...who or what is Jacob and where does he fit in with the Ilsand and its inhabitants...he sends out lists to collect people, he is a wonderful man, but seemingly the only person who has seen or made contact with him is Ben....there is soo much to be explained concerning him... -
This was a dream I had last night....I was really really drunk so it made it even better...
our Losties are getting chased into teh jungle by men with guns, lots of men with guns...a gun battle is ensiung and someone made a remark that it was teh bloodiest battle yet..
the timing of this episode is teh end of season 4 whenever that is going to be....dont ask how I know it was just implied in the urgency and drama of the dream
anyho, we see sawyer and Jack and Kate all running and turning to shoot behind them...then the next minute we hear a scream and Kate falls to the ground....jack and sawyer turn and see her fallen, tehy start shootign and go towards her...a large OK Coral style gunfight breaks out with Jack, Kate and Saywer in teh middle of it....Jaxk and Sawyer drag Kate away from teh main fight and Jack rips open her shirt to reveal taht bra again and a bullet wound in her chest...she is losing consiousness and losing her breath...
Sawyer screams..'do something Doc, fix her'....Jack tries to stop teh bleeding but she is dying infront of teh two men who love her, sawyer breaks down in tears as she starts to fade...Jack can't save her and pulls all amnner of confused, sad and angry Jack faces......
they hear a rustling beside them and Locke jumps out and see's them all lying there...he looks at Kate and says; "how longs she been like that??"......."she was shot jus there now"replied Sawyer..."I mean how long she been dead??"
Sawyer grabs Locke and screams "she cant die you son of a bitch, she cant die!!"...
"Give me her jack"..jack was cradling her head....."I can save her Jack, give me her"....Jack looks up to Locke but doesnt let go...."Jack, before I was on the plane I was in a wheel chair and the Island healed me, then I was shot and left for dead and the Island healed me, give me Kate and I'll make sure the Island heals her...she's not too far gone".....
"Noo its too late" cried Jack, Locke pushes jack out of the way and shouts "give her to me, i'll save her, follow me and give me cover, were going to see Jacob.."
now a few pints..all this actually happened in teh dream...pretty fucking sweet eh..also this is the exact reason why i'll never be a lost screen writer.... -
have teh xbox 360....I am going to buy one this week with the xbox live feature and was wondering if anyone out there has it online....would be good to chat to some of you guys one to one..we could be running around call of duty talking about Lost....hahha
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you folks all out having a life....haha
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im away to watch Bourne Ultimatum for the first time....i'll keep my eyes peeled for Losties in it..Eko was in teh first one so u never know...namaste for now
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I wanna keep lurking and reading everyone's facinating insights on the S3 watchback, but I'm afraid that sooner or later some random jack-off's going to pop in and ruin the new season for me I'm so torn :(
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Don't trust her Jack? Whoa!! I wonder who her is, and I wonder how the kid knew Jack's name.
For me, that was a much better way to introduce N&P. At least they could have used that as a getting to know you scene.
I love how uncomfortable Claire is with Nikki. And that "off" for the most part then WHAM part might come into play later.
Man, the breaking rocks scene really does look like a runway, doesn't it? Then it's confirmed. But if Sawyer already knew what he was working on, why did he ask Juliet later?
The one with Ben and Alex to me looked like Ben was truthful...and hurt.
Super powers? The sky turns purple and Des sees the future. So maybe just maybe the hatch exploding gave everyone some new ability. Hmmmmm...
So when was the Charlie scene supposed to happen. And what does Kate mean just like old times, and good to see you again? Curious.
I absolutely loved the extra Hurley and the van scene. Pretty touching.
Danielle a raving lunatic who slaughtered her entire research team and then spent the rest of her life sleeping in ditches? More to come?
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Suffering from a hangover today, my friend. BIG night here last night...I think.
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for those who have seen the spoilers... Are they as bad as "Season 3 finale flashforward" spoilers? If so, I might just have to cut my losses and avoid ANY kind of message board or chat for a while. On a scale of 1-10, how bad is it?
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Nice that since Locke let the cop go he returned the favor.
I'm not much on the Jin one, although the theme I did my piece on was playing in the background.
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There's something said in the Others extra about people seeing things or not seeing things and that Ben saw his dead mother so they thought he was special. Maybe my theroy about the dead portal thing ain't so far off base. It might not be right, but we'll see.
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My plan is to when Harry posts each week's new post is to read what he says but to stay away from the talkback there. If there are things I want to say before the episode I'll post on the previous week's board. After watching the episode that's when I'll read and post on the new board.
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I'm going to do the same. Or maybe keep this board going all season too? Just a thought.
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I'd just stay away from reading posts from people you don't know.
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im avoiding the spoilers like the plague...but i think your right, some idiot is gonna come in and try to spoil it, be it here or on anotehr LOST thread...there are some assholes about
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I also have a rotten hangover today...too much Guinness last night takes it toll teh body and mind the next day...ouch is all I ahve to say, and if your hangover is anywhere near as bad as mine I feel for you brother
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Maybe Ben is soo hung up on teh fertility issue and not wanting Alex to get pregnant is because he got Annie pregnant and she died on teh Island.....he was then teh casue of his only friends death...that would surely fuck up the head of old bug eye's...maybe the final nail in the coffin in turning him bad
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maybe Richard is annoyed at Ben cause Ben is trying to get back at the Island for taking Annie when she was pregnant..there is soo much more work that could be done but Bens personal vandetta is slowing down the others progress
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if there is no big breakingn stories tomorrow well try and get this bitch to number one...
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watched Bourne there and there were no losties in sight, im sorry to say...ah well....good times and good night
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before I go..none of u gents got teh xbox for some online cahts....be great if the lost game had the features for online play...I pick Locke...
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Sorry MP, can't help you. My boys have something at their grandparents, but not at our house. I'm an old timer. The last video game system I had was an Artari!
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According to Nikki Finke's website, her insiders tell her the strike is almost done and will certainly be finished by Oscar night. I guess the studios are finally interested in getting it settled. Here's hoping we get more than 8 episodes of Lost this spring!
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We need one final Lost top 5 list before the new season starts in....
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We're almost there!
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I'm thinking we should post on the old site - Room 23, or 32774, next week. If it shows up - the post count still registers, even if you can't see it. I would be a trip to see "I'm sick! Of Lying!" in the top 10 one last time.
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CBS has decided to repeat the two-hour LOST Season 3 finale (THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS) on Wednesday, January 30, 2008! ABC is hoping that this will "catch up" viewers who haven't had time to rewatch all of Season 3 on DVD or Blu-Ray. They are also hoping that the one hour introduction to LOST (airing shortly before the 9 P.M. EST Season 4 premiere) will suffice in attracting new viewers to the show. They also hope to re-attract viewers who feel, well, LOST (or ostracized by the complexities). The writers' strike has left an indelible void on network television. Needless to say, ABC is banking that LOST will rank up in the top five in total viewers. Let's cross our fingers!
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They were pretty bad spoilers. Id give them like a 8-9. It spoiled me until at least episode 4. You guys got some GOOD stuff coming and I'll leave it at that.
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I got one in mind just for the occasion!
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This Top 5 is about all the crazy things you think will happen on the island this season. Flash Forwards, character deaths, whatever. Since I know alot about whats gonna happen, Im not gonna post a Top 5 personally. I'll leave it to you guys and let y'all have at it. Enjoy :)
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Volcano
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Smokie goes on a fucking rampage which kills loads of freighties and some back losties
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Ben is going to do something noble and heroic
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we find out that Jacob is an almagnamation of all the good aspects of the good people on the Island and he harnasses their energy to grow stronger and to make the ultimate human beings...thats why he writes lists for Ben to go get people who arent flawed, and to get children who are still on the whole very pure....he takes the parts of their characters and stores thier gifts until he has a template to make a noble and decent race...we are also revealed that Smokie is Jacobs pet and he is in charge of finding info on teh people of teh Island and brings it back to Jacob
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The frieghtiues actually turn out to be dead on and friendly and a war starts with some of the ones looking off the Island teaming with the freighties and some of the ones looking to stay teaming with the others.......that would be fucking nuts...Jack verses Locke...Sayid versus Sawyer..Ben versus Juliett..and all of teh friegties set into teh mix....would be nuts
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We find out Annie and Ben were married, and he killed her by impregnating her.
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Jin gets killed, and Michael finally hooks up with Sun.
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Patchy is Not Yet Dead, and he returns for another rumble with Locke.
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number 1 there would be nuts..we have spent so much time being on for our favourite losties against everything else aka teh Island and the others that if they turned against each other it would be crazy....your alegiences would be shattered and wouldnt know who you'd be on for
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The volcano kills most of the freighties
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Nikki and Paulo return!
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I .. got nothin'.
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Big E I love ur number 4 there..very good
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I love urs as welll...nothing surprises me in this show, all of yours could happen..haha..love it
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That's just too much! Switching and dividing our "good guys" and "bad guys" would just be too much for my tired brain to handle!
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leave us with a huge dilemma...we would be watching some of our favourite characters trying to kill each otehr..Locke versus Sayid, god dam it...Des against sawyer....were does it end..
Jack always needs to fix something..tahts why he 'has to go back'...some hugely bad decision or act is going to happen soon enough thats is going to shatter everything..and I thinik Jack will be the man pushing the button...
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Crazy predictions? Oh boy, oh boy, oh....wait...that will happen THIS Season? Aww man.........
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We find out Jacob is supernatural, and those that see him see only a depiction of him that reflects who they perceive as their own personal savior.
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We find out that one of the group is not who they say they are...that smokie took their form and infiltrated the group
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That the losties discover they buried N&P alive
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That MP and I are hired to help Michael G. with the show's music....oh wait, that's a wish not a prediction...
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haha rb...if only dreams and miracles did come true..
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Greatest Hits
Charlie makes a list of the best moments of his life. Once again, Desmond has foreseen his death, but this time Charlie decides to face it head on. Jack devises a plan to fight back when the Others arrive, but unexpected developments jeopardize everything. Sayid discovers a way to contact Naomi's ship, but it requires a sacrifice. Everyone is on edge, as the first major confrontation with the Others approaches.
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This may not apply to our overseas friends, but what would you think about altering the watchback in order to watch ABC's Wednesday night broadcast of TTLG2.
We could watch GH tonight, TTLG1 Monday, TTLG2 Tuesday, then watch ABC Wednesday.
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...on MP and my wish. All in favor.......
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talking of spoilers maybe we should watch out for Capn Jack he posted a few last year...avnt seen him around maybe hes got a different handle..
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yes am back again after a long absence..so hello n hope y'all doing ok
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You know you just can't watch only part of TTLG! I'm looking forward to seeing the enhanced version Wednesday too. Too bad MP won't get to see it.
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nice to see u back..u all excited for the coming week
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Jan 27, 2008 12:05:19 PM CST
are u folks getting a new cut of it on wednesday night
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My brotehr said u were getting an extended version of it.......that would be great
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for me :(
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yes looking forward to it nothing gonna stop me from watching it...i think the wait will be worth it. Disappointed that there'll only be running the first 8 esp without any idea when the 2nd half will air. Still, cant complain, finally theres decent tv.
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I'll be watching teh dvd of it on wednesday just to get me prepared....
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Death...lets hope that not going to happen anytime soon
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I really hope this week goes in quickly..im going to flood myeslf in work and band practice and teh gym so the next time I get a minute it will be Lost time
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suggestion would be a perfect opportunity for Darlton to have his zombies in the show...Nikki and Paulo on teh hunt for some brains...Vincent rescues all
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Hadn't really considered it that way. My thought was maybe the others have video proof they weren't dead when they were buried. Kinda throw a Lord of the Flies twist, like when the boys in the book realized after Piggy (or was it Porky?) was dead or when the rescue came they didn't even know his real name.
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All in favor of upping the the watchback schedule to finish disk 6 by Tuesday and then watch ABC's enhanced version say aye.
MP - I haven't heard extended, I've heard enhansed. The bottom 1/3 of the screen is supposed to carry "notes" to get people up to speed that aren't up to speed. Probably hoping to take advantage of the strike lull and getting those people hyped up for S4...like we are. -
not a top 5 or anything, but what plot twist or storyline would people find it hard to stomach...what would make tehm lose a big klump of faith in teh writers....just teh metion fo Zombies being so far out there got me wondering...if they did do that would I still respect teh show and teh writing as much.??so there it is folks,,,,what would shake ur love fom lost in teh storyline in up coming seasons???
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I'll watch tonight's episode on the plane and the rest over the rest of the week. Flying back home Thursday, supposed to land at 7:30 EST. Should get home just in time to plop my ass on the couch and LOST out.
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thinking of..my bad
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I don't think they would do anything with the set amount of shows left to lose my faith. They are too good.
But if I had to choose something, I'd probably say making it all imagination. Smokie...imagined. Heal powers...imagined. Pregnancy deaths...imagined. I want explanations, not that it's all in their heads.
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be safe..
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Swweeney Todd...i'll be back later...namaste.
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Loved Sweeney Todd - great film! Enjoy MP. (No Losties in it, as far as I could tell.)
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1. It was just a bad dream. If they take the "Newhart"/"Dallas" route. I will personally hunt down Darlton and J.J. and spit a thick loogey into their faces.
2. Smokie, the Island or anything supernatural relating to LOST was created by extraterrestrials. If this goes all "X-Files", well...see above.
3. It all happened in Hurley's head. Or any character, for that matter....But I pick Hurley cuz he was in a mental institution. I could see him in the fetal position in a padded cell mumbling incoherently about hatches and Others...with two Doctors observing..."Still talking about his 'mysterious island' again?". If they take the "Identity" route....well....see above.
4. The dead come back to life. They have stated over and over again...once a character is dead on the island...they are dead forever...and can only be seen in flashback...or as hallucinations. Fine....stick with that. If 1 zombie shows up, I'm throwing my TV in the pool.
5. Time Travel. Um...not feeling that at all. I only want to see time travel in "Austin Powers" flicks. That's IT...and ocassionally in a "Back To The Future" repeat on TBS. If some sort of "island time machine" surfaces...I'm out.
Well...that's my 5...I certainly would be open to the fact that the island's mystical properties are the result of an ancient meteor having struck the island a million years ago...full of huge electromagnetic power...and perhaps Dharma was trying to harness this power for scientific advancement. But if 'little green men' and 'UFO's' start getting discussed...I'm coming at them with a huge hocker ready.
I can live with some of the mysteries remaining just that...MYSTERIES...before they take off on some sci-fi explanation. Is it Thursday Yet?
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I near spat out my coffee reading that...brilliant
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I think there would have been a big backlash if some character like say Claire or Hurley had got teh future visions...but because it was Desmond it was a bit easier to take...I've asked it before and i'll ask it again...does teh fact Charlie died mean his visions are now gone...much like Mrs Hawkins was there to make sure he didnt engage Penny, teh flashes were there to ensure Charlie died....Des tried to resist but failed,, but this time he wasnt a coward..
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just had a sky one advert for teh start of prison break on it there....thats a bit weird...does Prison break still get a big audience in teh states....its is heralded as a great show over here but Ive never watched it....anybody a fan or hater???i know its off topic but your opinions and critical analysis mean alot to me
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and Sweeney Todd was fucking excellent....really good not in the box film aka Typical Tim Burton film....i'd love to see Johnny Depp or Alan Rickman in some mad random role in Lost...
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i kinda know some dickhead is going to come in and ruin it for us all....
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were in touching distance
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strange name dude(if you are pb),if not......nevermind!
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We're all paranoid that we're going to get spoiled, that's all.
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They were showing it at a film festival I went to a summer or two back, but it was sold out and never did get to see it. I saw MC Gainey in "Happy Texas" earlier today on TV also. At least I think that was the movie. He played a baddie, again.
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Oh boy oh boy!
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and spoilers suck!You guys are so lucky!I have to wait 2 fucking month longer!gnarl....grunt...gwrtzntz.. FUCK!
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Looking back, it seems as though Season 3 just ended now... In any case, I'm beyond psyched for thursday.
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I was a fan of the first 2 seasons, but I really havent followed it this year. Check it out, its a great action show. Better than Fox deserves IMHO.
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Everyone! RB,BigE,Max, those were crazy!
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I listened to a few podcasts and often hear him talking bout the Zombie seasons..thats what put it in my head... my favorite of those discussions was when he talked about theh Zombie Vincent..at least we know Darlton has a sense of humour
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I think tehy will answer all if not most of teh questions we have been asking these last few seasons but will end on a huge unanswered question
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Love the opening. Jack’s back in control.
Charlie knows. You can see it early on. And Des confirms it.
I love the Bernard and Rose insertions. Hope they are in this season.
Speaking of being in charge, Ben’s taken over. Except, Alex throws and kink in his plan.
The Charlie Claire scene was just like the kiss...tender and sweet. The Hurley scene was too...even with the hurtful language.
Missed the fact Nadia was outside a convent wall last time. Think she got herself to a nunnery?
Great lines by Sayid. Time for Jack to act like a leader.
That has got to be one slimy cable in real life.
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will never know the answer of...there is no way that they are going to leave us with everything answered...they'll answer everything thats hugely important but leave us with a huge ending...maybe an overview of teh Island that is teh exact shape of Locke or something stupid like that...any theories about a mental ending???
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remember everyone thought this would be Charlies death episode...because it was his flashback...what a great touching episode
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timing of the episode....for fans who were not fully sure of Charlie this is brilliant...we discover that Charlie is a really great guy who for no real fault of his own lived his dream and it turned into a nightmare..
it was Liam who ruined Charlie(no doubt people will argue that it was Charlie who took the drugs over and over again and Liam didnt stick the needle into him) but he did introduce his little brother to the drugs and set him down that road to ruin..
I love teh way we see Charlie as a hero, a rockstar, a caring man, a friend and a selfless human being in this episode...
the best thing in his life is Claire, the best thing that ever happened to him was crashing on the Island...the same Island that is determined that he is going to die....u could ask the question: Would Charlie rather have kept on living the way he was, the druged up rocker or would he rather have crashed, gone cold turkey, been a dick for a lot of episodes as he was getting over his addiction, be on a death wish in a place that wants to kill him but at least he would have shared some time with Claire...I think he would def rather die and had time with Claire than live the way he was...
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death on the island anything to do with his initial failure to curb his drug problem...teh island tested him, through Locke, and he failed....maybe the island doesnt give second chances....we know he threw the drugs away but maybe it was too late for him to be saved
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to swim to the looking glass and die when he heard it will save Claire(her and Aaron getting on a helicopter I believe was the phrase)..seeing Claires reaction when she hears the news will be heartbreaking..not to mention Hurleys...pity their last encounter some harsh words were said but that was for Hurleys own sake, I hope he realises that
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Through the Looking Glass
The ambush for the Others goes awry and ends with Sayid, Jin, and Bernard getting captured. Ben is informed of Charlie's presence in the Looking Glass station and sends Mikhail to "clean up" the situation. He then embarks with Alex to meet the survivors heading for the radio tower. In spite of increasing concern amongst the survivors, Jack resolutely continues on their trek. Flashbacks show him at a very low point of his life, where he is suicidal and drug addicted.
Writer: Carlton Cuse, Damon Lindelof, Director: Jack Bender
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It's great. Here's the very short transcript.
[We see the jungle and hear someone running. The view is low to the ground. We hear panting. It’s Vincent. He passes open suitcases and sniffs them. He hears a whistle. We see legs. It’s Christian. Vincent runs up to him. Christian talks to Vincent.]
Christian: Hey there. Come on. Come on. Come on. Good boy. Come on. Come here. Come here. Good boy. Yes. [He leans down and pets him.] I need you to go find my son. He’s over there in that bamboo forest, unconscious. I need you to go wake him up. Ok. Go on.
[Vincent whines and runs off.]
Christian: He has work to do.
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Haven't seen it yet but HOLY F! What the hell is this supposed to mean? "He has work to do" is that simlilar to Walt's "you have work to do" when he appeared to Locke. I need to see this because I feel like my mind has been blown.
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FUCKING MOBISODES WORKS...i have to see this...arghhghghghghghghh
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Holy smokes - I have really, REALLY enjoyed these missing pieces! Some were (or at least at this point seem to be) little more than funny extra bits, but others, such as this latest one, really make me re-consider all that has transpired. An interesting project, once the entire lost saga is completed, would be to put the etire series- flashbacks, deleted scenes, flash forwards, missing pieces - all into chronological order. I think that would take more time than I have, but it would be neat to see if there are any little things missed when watching it as presented in the show. CAN'T WAIT FOR THURSDAY!!!
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Any thoughts on what it means? Was the dead body in Australia not Christian? Maybe a clone? Is Christian "in" on whatever this thing is? What work? Maybe it fits in with the time loop and getting things right theory. It's not supposed to be this way/happen like this/etc. We weren't supposed to leave/you're not supposed to do this, etc.
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Do you need a link to the mobisode, have you tried before and not been able to get there, or did I misread your meaning?
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I found a list of that and very similar ones.
Just don't tell me what I can't do." - Locke to Randy ("Walkabout")
"Hey, hey, don't you walk away from me! You don't know who you're dealing with! Don't ever tell me what I can't do, ever! This is destiny, this is destiny, this is my destiny...I'm supposed to do this, damn it! Don't tell me what I can't do! Don't tell me what I can't..." - Locke to the travel agent ("Walkabout")
"Don't tell me what I can't do." - Locke to Kate ("Walkabout")
"Don't talk to me about the baby. I'm sick of everyone telling me what to do." - Claire to Jack ("Raised by Another")
"No, don't tell me what I can't do." - Locke to Boone ("Deus Ex Machina")
"Don't tell me what I can't do!" - Jack to Sun ("Do No Harm")
"Don't tell me what to do, okay!" - Claire to Charlie and Sayid ("Exodus, Part 2")
"Don't tell me what I can't do!" - Jack to Desmond ("Man of Science, Man of Faith")
"Don't tell me what to do!" - Jack to Locke ("Orientation")
"Who are we to tell anyone what they can or can't do?" - Locke to Jack ("The Hunting Party")
"Do not tell me what I can't do." - Eko to Locke ("Live Together, Die Alone")
"You don't get to tell me what I can't do."' - Charlie to Locke ("Further Instructions")
"John, you fell eight stories and survived, okay? I don't wanna hear about what you can't do." - William Kincaid to Locke ("The Man from Tallahassee")
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Maybe?
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Dammit
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So now we have another possible way Claire and Jack find out they are related.
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Don't tell me what I can't do!
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Actually, 1001. Now I'm done. And I know, I'M the asshole.
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I wasn't even looking.
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I thought maybe it was the smoke monster at first. The "he has work to do" definately sounds like a connection with the Walt message. But I dont know why Smokie would mnaifest himself as Christian to Vincent. I thought he takes the form of someone the subject has a connection to. It wouldn't make sense for him to appear to Vincent as Christian because there is no connection. He should have appeared as Walt or a giant bone or something. I am perplexed. Will this have anything to do with the fact that Christian is listed as a guest star for the first episode?
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Just like to the outside world all the people on Flight 815 were dead.
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I feel torn. There is apart of me that wants him to still be dead. Mainly to credit everything the producers have told us, since they have said that he is in fact dead. For this to turn out not to be true would really make me question everything they have said. But, there is also that part of me that wants to give in to the crazy theories and believes that he can still be alive. This is the part of me that thought Christian was Jacob and was secretly running the Others. So I dont know which direction to go. How in the hell can they explain this mobisode? Will we see it through a Jack flashback? Somehow is must be addressed? This was one of those truly great Lost WTF moments. My mind is spinning.
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I just watched part 1 and now I must watch part 2. I can't separate them. I'm not sure they were meant to be. So I'm going to post tomorrow night's watchback already. If asked, I'll wait until Wed. to post thoughts on the whole thing. Otherwise, is it okay to end this watchback tonight?
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Jan 28, 2008 3:07:07 PM CST
Tomorrow nights (or maybe tonights part 2 if you can't wait) wat
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TTLG part 2...I'm watching now
Ben confronts Jack, claiming that Naomi is not who she seems. Meanwhile, Sawyer and Juliet try to come up with a plan to rescue the hostages at the beach. Inside the Looking Glass, Charlie and Desmond struggle to find a way to shut off the blocking signal.
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I'd forgotten how explosive this episode was! I remember when I first watched how sad and melancholy the episode was, due to my expectation that Charlie was going to bite the big one. Writing that list for Claire - let's just say I got misty-eyed.
I agree, Node - that was the best line! Jack's back! Were Rose and Bernard in this season at all until now? I don't think we've seen them since late season 2, right? I noticed that white rabbit too - I'll bet it was one of Ben's! But you know, that white rabbit stuff is all a constant reminder of "Alice in Wonderland." Watching it again I'm sure Charlie lied about his swimming champion ability. He wanted the opportunity to be the Hero that rescues Claire and Aaron. Was that their first kiss too? I guess it was, wasn't it? How can you watch that episode and not want TTLG immediately? Bring on the finale! -
how I view Christian's appearances, but it definitely changes how I view what Vincent has - Now I have to wonder everytime Vincent did anything on the show, was he just being vincent, or was he following what Christian/smokemonster/whatever had him do? i.e. was vincent led to the dharma van and told to bring skeletor's arm to Hurley? perhaps, perhaps no.
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right bear with me here we go..
Vincent and Christian...One day Snokie was wondering through the jungle when after noticing teh commotion of teh plane crash decides to ahvea closer look...he is on his way when he notices a Coffin, when he goes to investigate he opens it and see's a dead white haired man in it...Smokie lifts the man and analise's him....he looks deep within his soul and learns about his life...Smokie discovers someone that may be a way to infiltrate teh camp.....he quickly brings teh body to Jacob who senses teh dead mans son is on teh plane and can be used for his own ends...
Jacob orders smokie to take teh dead mands identity or inherit his body and to try and see if the son is alive and to make contact with him...
then we get to our clip....I dont think Vincent would ahve been in a hurry to run over to a large coloum of smoke, a nice man in a suit would be a safer bet of getting his attention..maybe a part of smokie goes into vincent and he finds Jack and leads his attention to teh crash site...
its a mad thoery and probably nowhere near anything but it is fun to try and guess what these guys are thinking..great mobisode
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once again get chatting tomrrow, I get more and more excited each day with Big E's countdown
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Part of Jacob could be smokie..so there would be no need to bring him......maybe Jacob tooks christians body as teh older one he was inheriting was due for a change...haha..we wont know for anotehr while yet, I dont think these coming 8 episodes will deal with Jacob too much...but ive been known to be wrong before when it comes to Lost..haha
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Christian seemed normal and everything - not quiet and ghostlike as he was the first time we saw him on the island. I have given up on these crazy theories! I'm just going to enjoy the show, and take it as it comes. And thanks for the link, journeyman talkback guy!
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Can you believe it??? Waiting is almost done! And MP, thanks giving a thumbs up to the countdown. I love countdowns, but I worried I was probably annoying the heck out of y'all!
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Nice, node. Makes you want to plant your ass in front of a TV and just wait, doesn't it?
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Didn't it seem odd the choice of people Jack took with him to see Danielle's dynamite show? Watch the scene again - you've basically got all of the main characters together at one time. I know it's Jack's inner circle, but did Claire and Sun need to be there? Not being sexist, but why bring them all, other than it looks good in previews and makes the actors earn their pay? Just a nitpick, that's all. I'm loving TTLG tonight! I hadn't watched that first hour in a while, and oh my it rocks!
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Jan 28, 2008 11:48:11 PM CST
Okay, I'm a fan of the show. I have the DVDs and the Blu-rays.
by l.h.puttgrass
But what the fuck is a "mobisode"?? Did someone make a mobile out of an episode?
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What happened to your handle? 4we8have15to16go23back42 is kinda big.
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I had a lot of work last night, so I couldn't watch the whole thing - just got through part 1. I hadn't realized they edited this episode so that it would have end credits halfway through it, but it was right where you figured. Locke gets a slight smile on his face when teenage Walt tells him he has work to do! I keep forgetting Juliet and Jack's kiss. It sure didn't seem that he minded at all! And Sawyer's and her interaction afterward was priceless! One of my favorite lines pops up as well: Alex "You locked up my boyfriend in a cage. You put him in a room and tried to brainwash him!" Ben "I didn't want him to get you pregnant. Maybe I overreacted." It's great to see Charlie get the upper hand, even while tied up! It's also interested to see Ben when his world falls apart. He just can't seem to lie his way out of his current mess. You know, Jack's beard didn't look as lousy as I remember it as well. Can't wait to finish this up tonight!
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I'm right there with you. I was at work filling out report cards. I took a break to check the TB and read about the mobisode. My brain immediately turned to mush and I couldn't think of anything else. Needless to say, report cards did not get finished so I have to stay after today to work on them some. But wow, what a total mind F!
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Part 1
Who is it that would die and cause Jack so much pain?
The beard wouldn’t be so bad if it wasn’t for the mustache.
I am not Rambo is one of the best side lines ever.
Okay, Jin speaking English that way is pretty damned cool too.
That whole fucking camp/dynamite scene was incredible. Never thought about it, but there ain't much of a home on the beach to return to is there.
Charlie telling Bonnie and Greta the plan, saying he’ll die as matter of factly as possible...wonderful.
What a cold, calculating MF Ben is. He knows Alex told Karl, so he brings her along to see the outcome.
If this shit was all planned....
So Sawyer lost his purpose after he killed Cooper. Now he is totally lost. And that line to Kate about hoping she’s not pregnant...cold.
Because I love you. Awwwww...and Kate’s reaction...ooooooooo.......
The runway/aliens conversation was funny. And the their aren’t any guns led to something I forgot about. It’s a music thing, but if you notice there are only 4 notes played. Simple. Start on the 1, then minor 3rd, back to the 1, then the fifth. So simple...basic...but also powerful.
And after that they hurt Hurley.
The Locke in the ditch scene was more powerful than I remembered.
Part 2
It’s not a small casket. Not too small anyway.
So what did they say Jack did that made him a hero? Does it tie into the last mobisode?
Every single living person will be killed. I still say that’s the key.
Sometimes watching this show you just have to sit back and marvel...take it all in. That entire scene of the 5 minute talk was such an instance. The calmness, the matter of fact, this is going to happen of Ben. Starting that out with I killed 40 people. Jack laughing when Ben said he was about to do the same thing. The warning. The refusal. The walkie talkie. The left losties in the background. Snap your neck. 1 minute. Why do you want to go back. The dead father. The wife who left you. 20 seconds. Still things left for you to fix? 10 seconds. Five. Four...the shots ring out. Jack cringes at each retort. I’m sorry Jack. (Sorry? I’ll show you sorry you bug eyed son of a whore!!) The tackling and bloodying of Ben’s face. The crying. The satisfaction. The regret. The walkie talkie. The defiance. Then I’m gonna kill ya.
Sometimes watching this show you just have to sit back and marvel.
Going back to someone’s theory about changing roles until someone gets it right, the code was input by a musician. Theory was the musician was Charlie in another time/instance.
So maybe they all have work to do.
Mother and daughters first conversation was about tying “Dad” up. Classic.
Love Hurley and the van, Sayid and the neck. Me and you ain’t done Zeke pretty much came true huh.
Jack steals meds and didn’t realize or care that there was a nurse or orderly in the room with him. I’m not sure I paid attention to that before.
Okay, think about Mobisode 13. Think about Jacking getting off the island. Think about him all out of sorts. Think about get my father down here.
I’m just sayin...
Hurley!! Great walkie talkie talk. “I saved them, I saved them all.” His joy.
Mine too.
Sometimes watching this show you just have to sit back and marvel. Charlie’s death. We knew it was coming. Still, how brilliant was that.
And did anyone recognize the music? I had no idea when I did my arrangement of that it was also used in this scene.
So Locke is in 2 scenes in this. 1 in each part. Interesting. Great.
I remember someone saying in the scene where Jack was in the apartment with the maps etc around him that Jack was us. Looking for the island. If that’s true, we are messy.
Sometimes watching this show you just have to sit back and marvel. I remember the 1st time watching this when I saw Kate I was like, they knew each other before!! Then the realization, we’d been fooled. We’d been thrown a twist that would forever change how we would look at this brilliant piece of work. That things had forever changed for not only our island friends...and foes...but for us as well.
I remember going to bed and rolling around, not being able to let go. They got off the island. Not only that, but 1 of them thought it was a mistake and the other did not. And the one that fixes things says they have to go back. We can assume to fix things. Fix what? What went wrong? Why are you such a wreck, jack? What’s so difficult about being home? Why are you such a reluctant hero that now wants it all changed back?
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I remember how I felt after watching the finale. It's crazy! I mean this is just a tv show and these are just paid actors, but I was physicaly sick after watching the finale. I couldn't sleep. I kept thinking, what happened to turn Jack into the mess that he was? I felt bad for and it made me ill to see him this way. The desperation in his voice when he yelled "We have to go back!". Thats what makes Lost so great. That I could feel that way about a tv show. Unbelievable, but simply brillant! 61 hours left!!! (okay, maybe it's a little early for the hourly countdown)
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My thoughts exactly. You have to sit back and marvel at this show. It is brilliant. Every little detail put into this thing just makes for a more richer experience.Like Charlie writing with the same Sharpie pen he used to write his greatest hits, and using it to write "Not Penny's boat". I got my Grandparents hooked on Lost and theyre in their 80's. I wont ever forget the look on my Grand dads face when he saw Kate pull up in the car to talk to Jack in the FF. What else brings people together like that, and was universally good?
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I am completely lost (no pun intended) with this one. If Christian was anninteration of Smokie why would he say Jack has work to do? Jack has been against this island from day one. If it was also Smokie who took the form of Walt, why would he tell John he had work to do when we know he is trying to prevent everyone from getting off the island. If both apparations are Smokie, isn't it contadicting itself? I have no clue? Maybe Christian was some manifestation of Jacob and the Walt appearance was something different. Again, my mind has been F*cked.
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If the last mobisode is indeed canon...Then perhaps Christian was alive...and was never in that coffin in Austrailia. We know these Losties were brought to the island "for a reason". Perhaps everyone on the island had a "steering force" that got them ll on flight 815 at the same time.
Jack's steering force would have been his Dad...Sawyer's was Hibbs...Charlie was Liam...Claire's was the psychic, etc. What if all these people knew about the island, and purposefully SENT the Losties there via their ill fated 815 flight? Perhaps Christian WANTED Jack to go there...to watch him become the "leader" he thought he'd never amount to.
What if all these steering force people all answered the same weird ad or were contacted somehow by the person(s) behind the island...as a way to "wake" these people up from their pathetic exsistences in the outside world...and were all "herded" together on September 22nd, 2004...to be on Flight 815 to Los Angeles...so they could embark on a journey that would change their lives, either good or bad, forever.
I mean...they pulled Cooper out of thin air pretty quickly when they needed him...to force Locke into confronting his father...Can anyone else imagine a scene where the Losties are led to a hatch...where Christian, Kate's mom, Hibbs, Nadia, Locke's mom, Liam, Mr. Paik, the psychic, etc...are all sitting in a room where they have been monitoring all the Losties every move the whole time...just as Ben had been doing. Perhaps providing helpful "whispers" in the jungle to them from time to time.
Perhaps the people who "steered" the Losties to the island were there long before 815 ever crashed...waiting to see how the island would change them. And Christian has been watching Jack from Day 1.
There are certainly flaws in this...I mean, there would have to be a safer way to get them to the island than by downing their plane...I mean...who knows who would survive the crash or not? And what of all the deaths they would have to watch happening...Liam watching Charlie drown? Hard to imagine that...
But what if these "steering force" people just didn't care who lives and who dies?
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I had started thinking up a similar theory but mine was not as detailed. The Claire psychic and the lady in the ring shop with Desmond had me thinking that. I didn't realize that there were so many other forces that might have also been "steering forces" such as Liam or Nadia but it makes sense. What about Jack's mom? Just throwing that out there, she was pretty insistent that he go to Australia to get his dad.
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I guess I have some watching to do.
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I could not believe what I watched! I am more excited for Season 4 than EVER BEFORE!!!
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While I don't agree much with the details of Chief's theory, I have always been puzzled about the insistence by Mrs. Shepherd that "You must go, Jack." This last mobisode makes me wonder whether or not there was an underlying conspiracy to get everyone on to the plane. Jack was impressed to go to Australia -- but he had to fight to get on Flight 815. Hurley's power went out and he had to fight to get on Flight 815. Shannon and Boone took the first flight out of Australia and were unable to get into first class (relegated to business class). Locke was forced to leave his walkabout -- and had to be carried onto the plane. Sayid was told to fly to Los Angeles, but fought to stay behind and bury his friend (and catch a later flight). Thus, it doesn't seem that a "conspiracy" was present. It only seems that it was "fate" or "destiny." Then again, someone might have known that Jack was on that particular flight and they CHOSE to bring down the plane (which sort of goes against "Desmond crashed the plane by failing to push the button in time"). Something just doesn't make logical sense, but I imagine that it will all come together in the end. Remember, this show was greenlighted following a 17 page show synopsis that only outlined the beginning and the end. It was good enough to have ABC finance the most expensive TV pilot ever. In fact, the CEO lost his job for giving the greenlight (but we can still hear his voice say, "Previously, on LOST...")! But I am glad it was approved. LOST is, by far, the best serial drama to ever grace a television!
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Was it destiny that put the losties on a plane, or was it by chance they were there? Dunno. Is it's Locke's fate to be the easily conned person we have come to know, or is he easily conned due to the choices he makes or has made? Again, dunno.
Seems to me that's the conflict within and appeal of this show. It also occurs to me that if I was a writer, I might not answer the question is it fate or coincidence that "wins"...for lack of a better word.
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Why do the boat people want to find the island? Why couldn't they find the island? Why does Ben and the Others want to keep the island hidden? Are the boat people part of the real DHARMA Initiative? Confucious once said, "There are no answers -- only questions." While we get quite a few answers with this show, they are always mingled with new questions about the show's mythology. Chief amongst these questions: WHY ARE WE HERE? Gotta love it!
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But only, in that, it had to appear as "fate" & "destiny" that led all these strangers to this island...It had to appear as a random coincidence...when, in fact...there was never anything "random"...or "coincidental" about it.
Like Miss Klugh said when Michael asked her "Why the hell don't you just go rescue Ben outta the Swan hatch yourselves? What do you need ME for?"...and she replied..."We just...can't...do...that".
Why the hell not? The Others had plenty of weapons and manpower to overthrow that hatch...I mean everyone just came and went as they pleased...Hell...that's how Libby got shot...moseying in and surprising Michael. It wasn't like the Swan Hatch was ever heavily "gaurded"....so why make Michael go back to free Ben?
Because it was a test for Michael...to see if he was truly a great dad...willing to do whatever was necessary to insure Walt's safety...It wouldn't surprise me in the least if his "deceased" ex-wife was sitting in that monitoring station hatch next to the "deceased" Christian...watching Michael to see if he would "pass" this test. To see if the island had changed him. The good news...it had....the bad news...it also made him a murderer.
So...when Miss Klugh (the name CLUE!) said "We can't do that"...that told me there were larger forces at play here...that the Others are following "rules" from a higher power...Jacob? Widmore? Alvar Goddamn Hanso?
The flip side of this theory...is that the Losties aren't the ones being tortured...but rather, the "steering force" people who are sitting in that monitoring hatch....Perhaps THEY'RE the ones who pissed off the wrong people....and no must watch their loved ones try to survive a plane crash and the island. Perhaps Mike's ex-wife, Kate's mom...and Christian are being punished?
It beats the snow globe theory any day!
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this baby has rolled for near 8 months..been a great ime being a part of this amazing talkback about an amazing show
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For goodness sake, the show begins tomorrow (Wednesday) with a 2 HOUR SPECIAL DIRECTOR'S CUT (with captioned commentary) of the Season 3 finale (THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS). And Season 4 begins tomorrow! HELP!!!!!!
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...but it became IMPOSSIBLE to open (using dial up) with over 10,000 posts! We need a new TB for LOST!!!
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He hasnt been mentioned in here for ages
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My theory of the one 'major' twist at the end of the series:
In the first episode, Jack wakes up in the woods, away from everybody else, who ended up on the beach. He was planted there somehow, maybe brainwashed, or maybe just knocked out.
We now have evidence that whoever or whatever 'Christian' is on the island, it wanted to 'wake' Jack, because it had planeted him there. And he asked Vincent to do it, because if Jack saw Christian he would flip his shit. -
He may have been dressing the "part" of "man in casket"....they put you in a suit, sure....but because your feet are never seen...they could put clown shoes on your feet. No one would know.
My guess is Christian was sent out to go lay in the coffin....completing the illusion that he was "deceased" in case Jack went looking for the casket?
Who knows...but it would not be strange to dress a corpse in a suit and sneakers.
Yes...the enhanced season finally will be like watching "pop up" video, only with LOST. I have a feeling it will NOT be advanced info that only true fans would understand. I have a feeling they are trying to recruit "new" viewers into the show...
It's probably gonna be like...they show a shot of Claire...and a thing will pop up that says..."Claire came to the island from Austrailia and was on her way to give up her baby for adoption in LA". I don't think it will be any deeper than that...but I could be wrong. -
I dunno...I think that belittles what other tests the 12 OTHER Losties are being put through to put it all on just Jack & Locke.
I just think Jack & Locke have similar tests....but one is of science...and one is of fate. The true test is...can Jack ever come to grips with the "fate" side....and can Locke ever come to grips with the "science" side. It's not who will win the "leader" title...I think it's more of a existential "test", rather than physical. -
usually post the new talkback...the morning of it aka Thirsday morning or is it a few hours before.. I forgot its been that long...
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hinted at by Node...one part of Jacob aka the good side is locked in teh forced prison set up by Ben adn teh bad side appeals to Jack to get teh island found....remember good and evil is only defined by what side you on...as Ben always says 'Were the good guys', he thinks they are and i'm starting to think they are too..
there is something going on with this Island that should be kept secret and away from the world, and I couldnt guess what theh hell it is..
the good/evil on the island links back to the block and white backgammon peices where Locke gives his we speach to Walt about 2 peices one balck one white....Locke's eyes in a trippy episode and teh stones found in Adam and Eve in the caves... -
DARLTON confirmed that Christian is dead, people. The Christian from the mobisode was the same Christian that Jack was seeing int Season 1. Widely regarded as Smokie. The question now becomes "Why?"
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IF...Christian IS alive...and Darlton is either being obtuse...or misleading about Christian's "pulse" status...It could be just a "costume"....much like Mr. Friendly's beard and raggedy clothes...which sneakers would not matter...if indeed it was all just a ruse to lure Jack to the island.
There is no proof, to this point, that Smokie can take the shape of people. I think this mobisode was going to great lengths to show us that Christian was, at least at the time of the plane crash....alive and well.
But forgot to pack black dress shoes to complete his "costume". -
to see if he was wearing a nice white pair of running shoe's..has anyone ben wearing white shoe's/trainers so far..maybe Desmonds shoe's went missing from teh hatch one mid september morning just after he buried Kelvin...'where my favourite shoe's brother, first I kill Kelvin, then I forget the button and tehn some bastard steals me shoe's....need alcohol brother..??'
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Unless there's proof behind what Darlton said (i.e. saying Christians dead), then why is it a big deal if Christian is actually alive?! What if the producers are just screwing with you (which, btw, JJ Abrhams is famous for doing).
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Afterall...Ben saw him Mom...and who know if Eko seeing his brother was actually him seeing Smokie in the form of his brother...
However...we have not been SHOWN Smokie turning into a person...or taking the shape of Kate's horse...so we can on speculate on that theory. So verification is still delayed.
My point isn't really IF Christian is dead...but WHEN is Christian dead? Could he have actually been there LIVE and in person in the mobisode on September 22nd 2004 ON the island? Even though he was already supposedly "dead" in Austrailia? But was definetly NOT alive when we saw Jack in his 2007 flash forward.
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Darlton may have a loophole for that comment..he said in 2006 or whenever taht he was dead, but on the Island timeline he is very much alive
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First off, it's my understanding the don't bury people with any shoes on. If you think about it, think of all the shows you've seen where they open a casket. Remember any shoes. I'm not sure how I know this since it's been at least 2 months since I dug up someone, but it's something I'm mostly certain about.
So if that's right, having white shoes on is even more of a curiousity, isn't it?
Now...If the rabbits are numbered we have assumed that's because they are clones...or something like that. Could 1 replicant die without the other dying? Of course. So that rabbit would be dead, but by twisted logic you could say it's still alive. Could the same not apply to Christian? Clone or maybe some other explanation? Dunno.
I forget who said it above, but there were 2 things not quite right. If it was a typo, pardon my correction here. It was Science and Faith, not fate. And it was coincidence and not confusing that with fate.
Regardless, I was not disagreeing with the theory, just adding to the question. Which is it, fate/destiny or coincidence? Are we (or the losties) fated to a predetermined outcome, or can we change that outcome if we change our choices?
Seems to me that's a running theme.
To personalize that last point for all of us, how many times have you met someone at a bar who had a rep for being a badass or dumbass or something of the sorts. Their rep was set by their previous choices. Are they fated now to be what their rep is?
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you guys are fantastic once again by talking about all teh main points, just to reiterate some of my favourites which you mentioned already...
the music is fantastic in this episode..fromt eh genius urgent and uneasy score to the use of good vibrations(does taht song have any significance)...bets taht it will be heard again in the up coming 8 episodes..anyone??
Des waking up to be shot at by teh wonderfully bad aim of Patchy, tahts teh one eye knocked his focus off..(as I said a long long time, Pathcy was the reason Communism failed)...
Pathcy..the bastard..the smile on his face when he blows teh porthole is evil...glad he's dead..even though he was a great character, his death was definatly iconic
Desmond gives us a victory punch in the air moment, when he spears teh Patched one after teh two women get shot...I remember wathcing it and going absolutly fucking nuts when Des did that
Rose telling Jack she will smack him if he says..'Live together die alone' again..fantastic
Juliett lying to everyone so she and Sawyer to go back...
Bens pain when he realises Alex has betrayed him again...
I love the suttle reunion of Alex and Rousseau..im glad she got teh chance to be introduced to her daughter and had the chance to speak with her..a truely happy oment that I was looking to happen since early in season 1
love teh beating Jack gave Ben...Ben's having a rough old time of it..at teh end of season 2 he was still bruised from Sayid and end of 3 he is battered by Jack
Punch in the air 2 moment..
Hurley comes to save teh day..after all of teh fat jibes, Hurley proves his worth..fantastic
quickly followed by punch in teh air moment number 3..Sawyer creeping infront of teh van, there is one more gunman left, dont get killed Sawyer..no worresi Sayid will knock him over and break his neck with his legs..love it love it love it...Sayid has been begging for a truely great moment like taht and he got it..brilliant
if you forget teh flashforard this is just an incredible episode..the is tension, happiness, fear, sadness, despair, confusion(wouldnt be Lost without it) and satisfaction...tahts alot of emotions to go through for a wee tv show eh..
Then we get to teh flash...Jack Jack Jack..whats wrong with you, what happened so bad in your past that turned you into this...you were never this bad, even hen u went to get you dad from Austrailia...hard to watch teh man who has done a good job leading our Losties in such a bad position and state of mind...
teh coffin??i'll not even start..
the suicide attempt, hero again Jack my boy...tahts not enoguh for him..he needs to fix teh mistakes he made moreso tahn teh ones that are brought to him
and tehn Flash forward...FUCK ME PINK..I remember watching going what the fuck is Kate doing there?? did they know each other, this changes everything..arghh arghh...o wait a minute they are talking bout teh Island..we got to go back Kate!!!................................when this happened and teh music swelled and Kate went and Jack stood tehre and a plane landed I was sitting in stunned silence....then it hit..THAT WAS IN THE FUTURE...HUH...WAIT A MINUTE..THAT WAS IN THE FUTURE...
after I picked my jaw up I walked around in stunned silence for a while....
On teh day of teh finale I was teaching and on the way home I grabbed a chip and burger and came home to watch it...that evening I was to go to the cinema in Belfast(Northern Irleands capital city incase u didnt know..haha) to watch Pirates of the Carribean 3 for a cancer charity event... I watched Lost and couldnt talk to no one about it on the way to teh cinema and during teh film i was sitting thinking, 'this means tehy got off the island...fuck fuck fuck'...I couldnt concentrate on teh pirates film and was in teh pub taht night still wondering what the hell I just watched...
because of teh lack of people to talk to I turned to 'I'm sick of lying' to try and answer some of my questions and ive been there since...its gone full cirlce...I entered the debate(though I read teh talkbacks every week after I watched the episode) to try and help my understanding...and now 8 months on, I have people like node, rb, pa, nova, big E, offput, pj and soo amny otehrs to thank for giving me their insight into the puzzels that have stumped all of us for soo long...
ive rambled on a bit but with only a few days to go can I just say its been a pleasure bouncing questions, seasons openers, songs, top 5's, idea's and mental theories with all of you..watching through a looking glass and getting confused over it and trying to expand my own knowledge of teh show has lead me into a fantastic group of people whose love for Lost has meant that we all ahve become friends....and I will keep to my promise, if I win teh lottery we will all be over having a lost marathon in my mansion before its all over..haha -
cant beat the grave digging..haha
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I meant to type "Faith" earlier....but my fingers were thinking "Fate"!! As for shoes on dead people. Every funeral I've been to in my life....Only the top half of the coffin has been open...so feet were never seen...like I said...they could of had swim flippers on down there and I wouldn't have known.
I don't remember seeing anyone's feet in many TV or movies either.
Just saying...it's def weird...and made even weirder if Smokie chose to wear tennis shoes with a suit, if he was indeed taking the form of Christian. That's another clue in my book that Smokie had nothing to do with this latest Mobisode revelation.
To be honest with you....Smokie being able to take the form of people is right up there with Clones and Zombies for me. Being able to replicate is so Sci-Fi it's pathetic....especially mimicing voices and speech patterns....I can take that kind of shit in Teminator: The Sarah Conner Nonsense....
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Mr Anthony Cooper..aka Sawyer the first..aka Locke's bastard dad....is in the Patrick Sawyze movie Roadhouse..which for some reason is on television over here..he seems to be playing a bad bastard in that too...haha..wonder if Swayze gives him the Jabba death Sawyer the second did
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only one more nanmaste to go from me..Big E..keep her flowing...I feel like singing a song from power ballad band Europe..its the final countdown...doo do doo do..and so on...hopefully get chatting tomorrow.. namaste friends
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Riggamortus. Think how much you flex your foot, move aqll the toes, stretch the foot, etc. to get a shoe on. In order to put on a shoe, you'd have to break bones...at least possibly break bones, which to most cultures is disrespectful to the dead.
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Aren't the suits that corpses are buried in sometimes cut out in the back as well? To get a proper fit, they just put the front half on, rather than trying to squeeze the whole upper body in? I was surprised Christian had shoes. But he was wearing those white sneakers when we first saw him, right?
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Who wants hours? I got your hours right here - 49.5 hours (EST) until season 4 arrives!
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Did anyone notice if Alex's rabbit (skinning it for dinner) had a number on it? I didn't see one.
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You're a teacher too, then? What and where? Join the club - MP and I both teach school as well. Can't be much bigger nerds than that, can we!?
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I was looking - little boy Ben's bunny didn't have a number, unless I missed it. I was sure they replaced it with a stuffed animal when he put it back in his bag - watch it again and you'll see!
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The old vampire myths had reasoning behind them! When a villagers would dig up recently buried bodies that were thought to be vampires, they would find corpses that were bloated and had blood around the mouth. This was the natural build up of gas from decay, and the blood was their own. But it looked like the corpse was feasting and bloated on someone else's blood! When a stake was driven into the corpse's chest, the air passing through the throat would often produce a "scream" and the corpse might pop up in a sitting position. So it appeared to the villagers that they got to this "vampire" in the nick of time, and killed it, when it was really just science at work.
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Nah, not going to keep that up. But on a depressing note, only 51 more days until the Season 4 "finale." Get that strike finished, now!!!
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http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=295390>1=7703
Take out any spaces, of course. Hopefully they can get this thing settled so we get the rest of Season 4 of LOST starting in November...Not likely they's be able to get any episodes finished for are in May...but we can keep our fingers crossed!!
The premiere is so close I can almost taste it! -
"Not likely THEY'D be able to get any episodes finished for AIR in May"...
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Even though it led to a preview of LOST on MSN!....Here's the correct WGS Strike Update link:
http://tinyurl.com/33lrlw
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Early on in the strike, EW magazine was writing about how soon the strike needed to be ended for shows to return. They used Lost as an example, and said that a continous season wouldn't happen if the strike didn't end by the broadcast of the first episode. So I guess they're figuring about a 2 month turnaround on getting a script, filming, edited, and broadcasting. If you watch some of the extras on disc 7 in season 3, they mention how they are still filming episodes just 2 weeks before air time. So if the strike is resolved in the next 3 weeks (as indications seem likely), I would think they'd broadcast the first 8 episodes, have a week or two off, and then continue the season. It'd be April by then, run the season finale (if they get all 16 finished) by the first of June.
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No work today! Blizzards, snow, ice, 50mph winds, temperatures drop 38 degrees (F) in under 12 hours. Time to enjoy the rest of my season 3 dvd set!
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Lots of airline delays in TX yesterday due to wind. Today the wind is in NC where I have to fly back to tomorrow. Now they're saying wind again tomorrow in TX.
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Yeah, I am a teacher. I teach fourth grade in Baltimore, Maryland. This TB gets me through the day sometimes. I check it when ever I get a free minute, during lunch, during my planning period, and when the kids are having indoor recess. I purposefuly set up all my grading and planning so there is no school work that needs to be done on Lost nights.
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I'm starting to buy into this two Smokies idea. It dawned on me while watching Left Behind. We never actually see the big thing crashing through the jungle and the thing that flashes Kate and Juliet. We only see it later when it tries to go through the fence. It is hard for me to believe that Smokie is making that loud roaring sound. Could there be two seperate "monsters". Is Smokie sort of a grunt for the bigger "monster" and sent out to do the dirty work for it. This might explain how Locke and Ecko both seemed to see two different things when they saw the "monster". Maybe this could play into the Good Smokie vs. Bad Smokie idea others have posted. Now which one, if either of them, can take the form of other creatures is the real question. I'm starting to lean towards the apparations being some form of Jacob.
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is a fucking TRANSFORMER who got "LOST" on the island!;-)
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Wow - this tb is still going I though t it had died... I guess I should have known better really.
This may have been mentioned - there was an interview recently with Michael Emerson who touched upon the mobisodes, where he essentially said that the mobisodes were't canon, just little insights for the viewers. It may be just his opinion though. They seem to go to a lot of effort if they aren't canon however - although it still comes back to what Darlton said that they couldn't put anything too important in them, because not everyone would see it.
I wonder why the 12th mobisode (Envelope) was simply a deleted scene when every other one was an original... Perhaps there is one that they binned for some reason? -
As has been stated Christian is DEAD - but their definition of 'dead' is somewhat loose.
Again someone else has probably said this - (too lazy to read them all...) but if Christian ain't Smokey an obvious explanation (although one I don't like much) is that he is Christian Shepherd from the past.
Perhaps Desmond can travel back and appeals to Jacks Dad that he is going to make a mistake in the future that will cause everything to go wrong. He somehow manages to go to the future to try and sort Jack out and prevent him from making a mistake. He appears naked (aka Desmond in Flashes) and uh raids his own corpse for a suit. As he has been buried with no shoes(if the above posters are correct) he has to grab some trainers from somewhere else.
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U lucky people..
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That is NOT a normal human Christian Shephard on the island. If he was normal and alive, why didn't he go see Jack himself? It's something else, his spirit, a clone, another dimension Christian, whatever, but it is NOT Jack's dad, alive and well, just gotten back from Australia. How can it be?
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Man, my hat's off to you. Little kids in a group scare me! Give me teenagers - they're at least mostly human. I can't access AICN at work - too many filters, even on the teacher computers! It's a banned site. Last year I worked at a place where I could read AICN at work, (in fact, I read the famous "I'm Sick! Of Lying!!" talkback right after Herc posted it, when there were less than 20 comments on it, but I didn't post anything on there until 3 weeks later) but I'm out of luck now - just post in the morning or evenings.
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Here it is in tinyurl: http://tinyurl.com/2dlwof I see you have Lost alert e-mail from EW.com too!
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One is a dark security system. It took the form of Yemi, etc... The other is what Locke saw that was "white" and "beautiful."
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Fourth Grades not too bad. I've done first and third also, and man that is difficult. My work also filters a lot of Lost websites but luckily AICN has not been filtered yet (knock on wood). My computer at home sucks so this is the only time I really get to post. Your lucky for having the day off. We have only had one winter weather episode and it only got us out two hours early. I did use that time however to watch some of the Seaon 3 Bonus Disc. Great stuff.
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How the hell is the Lundgren/Snipes thread beating us? Does anyone really care about either of them?
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I would think so. It's hard to believe that we only have another 30 hours to wait for the premiere!
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"It's only a day uuhhhhh-way!" Do we sound like fanatics now, or what?
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Here's the deal...ABC is NOT gonna air ANY new episodes of LOST outside of a sweeps period. Which is why they are putting these first 8 eps. to fall in the February sweeps. The next sweeps in May...and unless this strike is settled by the end of February...there will be no way for them to get the cast & crew back into place with completed scripts and start shooting by early March. Just no way...Unless Darlton has been writing behind the WGA's back!!
That said....they would need at least 4 completely finished and ready for air eps. to run in May...I don't see how that's possible given the time frame. Plus, I doubt Darlton would be happy with ABC if they tried to "break up" the season even further...by piecemealing out episodes in that fashion. I have a feeling they will wait til the final 8 eps of this season are DONE and begin running them in October, so the season finale lands in November.
That's the only way I can see this going down if we are to get a full 16 episode run for Season 4. -
a pretty powerful last page of that article. and the last full paragraph...WOW
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There are several scripts in various stages of 'readiness' - its not like they would return from the strike to a stack of blank paper. When they went 'pencils down' there were two scripts going through a final pass and two scripts that were 'mostly ready' They would be filming new scenes within a week of returning to work. No, I wont clarify. Aloha.
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Guys in there are going "ZOMG 1K POASTS HEAR WE KOME!" and "WI CAN DUE IT!1!"
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But..regardless...the strike would have to end within the next month to see any new episodes by May....no matter how far along he scripts are. They can only shoot an episode at a time...although I heard last season they were shooting the finale with multiple crews all across the island....and were racing to get it finished within a day of it airing....So I know they can turn the machine on fairly quickly....
I'm just saying...they won't let new episodes just start airing as soon as they are completed....they will sit on them until the next sweep approaches...and I just don't think they'll have many...if ANY ready for the May sweep. -
8+2+2=12. Do you know the status of the other 4, and if so, could you shed a pinhole of light?
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Thank god for my service contract. I'm hoping to get it back next week... I still haven't played two of my Christmas gifts - "Mass Effect" and "Call of Duty 4". Of course the damn thing would get the 3 red lights the day before they arrive in the mail...
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I'm getting mine at teh weekend and im definatly getting call of duty so if ur online we'll get in touch and start shooting some bastards...good times
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everyone is about tomorrow for our farewell to season 3....and hello season 4..only took 8 months..haha
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currently laid in bed with a kidney infection..can hardly bloody walk so im not working at all over teh next 2 days...LOST LOST LOST LOST
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Jan 30, 2008 4:05:23 PM CST
Yeah as soon as i get it I have to renew my Live account...
by novaman5000
Let me know when you're online, Maximus, and we can trade gamertags.
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I dont get it (officially) until sunday night......will this pain never end..haha
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we'll talk about lost whilst blowing people to bits..'So who you think Jacob is?? (bang bang)...not too sure, dont think he's Christian like..(throws grenade..bang).'.fantastic
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Though not a spoiler, I am super confident what I am about to say is going to be true:
This first episode for season 4 is going to have HUGE ramifications for Hurley (or locke, but I am leaning much more towards hurley). Between all of the mentioning of his random stuff, and then the mention of 'dead best friend', I think I got that oart nailed. Now what the episode is actually about, I have no idea. -
Sorry to hear about this.
I won't get home until the S4 premier (i hope). So y'all take up the slack. -
i'll do be best ot be online to chat tomorrow...between going to teh doctors and thte gig, its going to be a busy day....
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It's a 1 hour LOST Re-Cap special Thursday at 8pm ET....followed by the 1 hour LOST Season 4 Season Premiere....followed by the premiere of Eli Stone.
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I thought it deserved 1 last day in the sun.
Lift your eyes and look "north".
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Got through with my class early today. Sitting here watching news in the LaQuinta. Thought my hands could be doing something, so...
You're welcome to help.
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Im not in any guilds or unions nor do I have any paystubs from anywhere fancy. I have a number of self-sustaining jobs that keep me going as a free lance writer. The most exciting thing(s) I ever get to do are proof things for grammatical,cultural, or historical errors.
Im also not directly involved with anything going on in Hawaii right now. If you take the phrase "I know people who know people who know people..." and add about 8 more "know peoples" to the end, not only would you probably find Kevin Bacon somewhere in the middle of it all, but you'd have a pretty good 'hands-across-america' style depiction of where I stand in the 'gossip distribution network.'
All I can say is that as a HEEE-UGE fan of LOST, I asked. Of course I also asked about some other things not nearly as interesting (such as, do I have to stop my work too or can I keep checking into whether or not Vikings wrote poetry and crap like that) all I could get was that in a show like Lost you work multiple scripts at a time, and they're at various stages of completion - and 2 of them were going through some final changes (which isn't ever really final, i suppose), and it is my own assumption that there would be, in a similar fashion, one or 2 more in the earlier stages.
But I'm not a source and Im not a WGA member. Im a free lance guy who gets random editing work every so often. Im available to edit the news items for this site, if you think it needs it (meaning: yeah, it does. Guys, just email your stories to me first please?)
(The Vikings did write poetry, we just have very little recorded to really classify it. You cant point at poetry and say, " that is very Viking-ish") Yeah, I got a book draft that said that, and not as a joke. And I cant sell a personal ad! kill me now. -
Thanks for the info
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fantastic
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U American teachers are soo lucky to have snow days..all it does over here is rain, spring, summer, Autumn(fall for my US friends..haha) and winter.....send some of that sweet sweet snow over here
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nice to see the old girl in the top 10 again
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Jan 30, 2008 5:59:32 PM CST
because no one can see what we write on the other board
by maximus prime
im telling the truth about what I really think of you all, behind your backs..haha only joking, im triple posting the tits out of the place
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its kicking teh bollox out of me at teh minute..got a wee doctors appointment tomorrow morning, hopefully he isnt wearing a patch or talks in a russian accent, then I know i'd be in trouble...
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There - I've said it! Been waiting 8 months!
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Man - did you do all that posting on Room23? I was thinking of doing the same, but it takes forever for that screen to load up! Good work my friend!
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I even went there to post something....just to see if they had "fixed" it for the big premiere. I had no idea if we continued to post there that we were still able to bump the damn thing back into the top 10!
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will be first very soon.move over Indy
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season 4...
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I guessing MP did the rest
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and a few minutes! I've got my DVR all fired up, ready to go! Interestingly enough, when I was clearing out my DVR today, I erased two episodes from last May .. the 9th and the 23rd. TMBTC and TTLG. But now I'm all set!
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Someone got post 10500 on Room 23. Was that you, MP? Let's make it 11000!
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in ROOM23!strange shit.
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ABC's enhanced version of TTLG starts at 9 EST and PST...which here in TX is in about 5 minutes
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I thought that was an appropriate coutdown number.
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Since we just watched this episode ... haven't found too much exciting about the "enhanced" stuff. Not much new there. But did they re-edit the episode when they split it into 2? Moved a scene here and there?
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Whatever that pass or whatever on the map that was an homage to whoever. That the song Charlie was writing in the LG was off a poem Dom wrote. I was a bit intrigued by the mirror image theme of the enhancement. It might be something we should pay attention to...or not.
But it was too cutesy at times, the anagram of the funeral home was too much too soon if you had never seen it, and I can't make up my mind if I disliked or absolutely loved the fact there was no enhancement or explanation during the ending at the airport. -
so wats the plans? u all staying over here or moving to the new lost tb?
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