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Favreau Might Be Up For Assembling The AVENGERS! Plus Learn How HULK and IRON MAN Tie Together!

Published at: Jan. 5, 2008, 3:24 a.m. CST by Moriarty

Hey, everyone. ”Moriarty” here. Wow! What a not surprise! Remember this story from June of last year? When I ran that, I knew for a fact that Sam Jackson was cast as Nick Fury, and I was amused to see Paramount and Marvel and Jon Favreau all play coy and almost-but-not-quite call me a liar when responding to the news. We’ve also heard the rumor that there would be something that tied the new HULK film and IRON MAN together, something that would help pave the way for an eventual AVENGERS movie. I’ll have more on that below. The news I’m linking to today is from MTV, where they ran a short interview with Favreau, in which he offers up the startling news that he would happily helm an AVENGERS movie. Well, duh. Based on that IRON MAN trailer, I am faithful that Favreau is a big giant nerd. In the best possible way. I think he’s making IRON MAN not because “it’s a good opportunity” or “it’s time to leverage his directorial heat into a franchise situation,” but because he fucking loves superheroes. I might be wrong... but I doubt it. And once you’ve gotten a feel for it, I would imagine it’s very tempting to do it again. This is by far the biggest film that Favreau’s ever directed, and the most complex, and it’s exciting to think that he may have found his calling. I’m also glad to see Marvel taking control of their properties for film. I like the idea of a world where cross-overs are possible. I like the idea of these characters being able to bump into each other. And what is that rumored moment that will tie HULK and IRON MAN together? Well, our spy has some clarification for us:
So the scene that was shot was for the Hulk with General Thunderbolt who is very important to the Hulk. Anyway, Tony Stark meets with him - which of course is a straight prelude to the Avengers Movie. For now, maybe my code name should be Forty One Q
Our spy had some other interesting things to say about Jeff Bridges and his role as Iron Monger/Obidiah Stane [corrected - "M"] and it really does sound like this is going to be one of May’s biggest treats. How cool is it going to be seeing Robert Downey Jr in HULK, even if just for a moment? And, god, I hope THE AVENGERS works out down the road. I think Edgar Wright’s take on ANT-MAN sounds great, and HULK is shaping up nicely, and Matthew Vaughn’s THOR will rock really hard. Everything’s coming together, slowly but surely, and I love being able to be optimistic about this possibility.

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  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Obadiah Stane is Iron Monger, not the Crimson Dynamo.

    by Johnny Smith

    And I am *so* nerding out right now.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Oh my Gosh...

    by caruso_stalker217

    ... first? God, I'm a fucking loser. Please... just forget this post even exists...

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Whew!

    by caruso_stalker217

    Dodged a bullet.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Anyway, I'm not a comic book nerd

    by caruso_stalker217

    But IRON MAN looks awesome, I'm warming up to HULK, and this all sounds really cool.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Ant-Man

    by Johnny Smith

    So I know Edgar Wright's Ant-Man film involves both Henry Pym and Scott Lang, but do Janet van Dyne and/or Eric O'Grady appear? And if the Pym elements are set in the 60s, does that mean Scott Lang will be the Ant-Man of the Avengers film?

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Thanks Mori

    by WildcatWildcat

    This is good news that I hope leads to more good things.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:53 p.m. CST

    cool

    by future help

    cool

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10 p.m. CST

    Just going by that clip of Downey as Stark

    by kabong

    we saw a while ago, "Iron Man" is looking very promising. <p> The best part will be when I appear wearing the red and gold armor. Yeah, you won't know it, but that will be me. <p> I . . . am . . . Iron . . . Man. <p> Da da da da da . . . Iron Man.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Actually...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... he's not called IRON MONGER in the film. He's called The Crimson Dynamo. That's not a typo.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:20 p.m. CST

    It seems like this site...

    by tehgreekhammer

    has been on autopilot lately. <p> I mean unless the article has been about There WIll Be Blood, or the Orphanage, or No Country for Old Men, I cant say Ive been too impressed with the coverage of this site for the past few months. <p> Oh and in whats is increasingly becoming typical AICN fashion <b> this story is about a day late.<b> <p> whatever

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Xiphos

    by SJBKAT

    See, the difference with The Avengers is that we don't need a backstory. Most of the heroes, if not all by that time, would have had their own solo movie. No backstory needed. So with The Avengers, they can just dive right in.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:25 p.m. CST

    Maybe not too cool to be true, but

    by beetlegeuse

    too cool to be done right. Still like the idea however.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:25 p.m. CST

    Fuck Yeah!!

    by BetaRayBill07

    Marvel doing it right maybe? DC- go fuck yourselves you morons.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Can I get some feedback from anyone in the know?

    by Gwai Lo

    I'm actually kind of considering writing a spec script of one of Marvel Studios properties and sending to them hoping they'll option it before they actually hire writers. Bad idea or no? I'd treat it like a pet project thing without any aspirations of success, but the whole thing with those young guys stealing Wonder Woman out from under Joss Whedon keeps running through my head. I won't mention what character I'm going to try. Any feedback on this idea?

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:34 p.m. CST

    How can he be crimson dynamo

    by Rufferto

    The armor isn't crimson. I've seen images of the action figures labeled : Iron Monger.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:36 p.m. CST

    agreed yobo

    by RipVanMarlowe

    yeah...I've got a bad feeling about thor. doesn't seem like it'd translate well to film.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:38 p.m. CST

    BTW to answer the question about CDynamo

    by Rufferto

    He's a communist character who wears a red armor, basically the soviet unions answer to the capitalist Iron man in the book.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:38 p.m. CST

    justice league and avengers

    by Cory849

    Neither group has a theme. They are both just giant "marvel team up" books designed to make some money. Totally different than Fantastic Four or, especially, X-men. I'm not saying they can't work but I can't imagine how they can. I mean let's be honest. Avengers has never really worked AS A COMIC BOOK. And now it'll make a good movie somehow? Best of luck. (Ultimates could work but then you couldnt let the kids in to the theatre).

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:41 p.m. CST

    I'm picking something off their current slate..

    by Gwai Lo

    That has no one attached to it, with no set release date. They will be looking for scripts eventually, and even if it never gets made they would still pay out an option fee for a decent script, especially with their big fat 500+ million Paramount development deal. It's not as bad an idea as it sounds at first, the only thing I'm afraid of is finishing something decent and getting the "uh this is exactly what we were planning so we're not going to pay you" response. Who do you think it is, out of curiosity?

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:41 p.m. CST

    Re: The Crimson Dynamo?

    by eggrolls

    <i>That sounds sucky. Any Iron Man fans out there? Is that from the comics or have they made it up? Iron Monger sounds a LOT better.</i> Crimson Dynamo was Iron Man's cold war counterpart, built by the Soviets. There's been about 5 versions of the armor (and about 10 wearers) over the last 40 years. The Iron Monger armor was made by Obidiah Stane after he took over Stark International from an alcoholic Tony Stark and gained access to the Iron Man blueprints. Stane is the only person to wear the Iron Monger armor. If they're putting Jeff Bridges/Stane in Crimson Dynamo armor, they're tweaking comic book continuity.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:42 p.m. CST

    RE: spacing?

    by eggrolls

    Don't ask where the gap between the quote and the answer went. I knwo I put it there.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:42 p.m. CST

    director?

    by gdeo

    who would you like and who do you think could handle it?

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:47 p.m. CST

    tehgreekhammer...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... yeah. Autopilot. Or maybe it's just that incredibly slow news cycle that happens every December and January. And considering there's at least one giant exclusive in this article, one real piece of info that's not just speculation like the Favreau thing, seems like it's not "a day late" at all.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:49 p.m. CST

    So, what about the Nick Fury scene?

    by zillabeast

    I thought it was going to be the same scene in both films, from two different perspectives. Or was that shale?

  • The book didn't really take off until Roy Thomas came along, after all. Make Ultron and Vision the main adversaries, with Vizh changing sides, and it's all good.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Nick Fury...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... is in IRON MAN. Tony Stark is in AVENGERS. The info we ran today was to clarify the rumor, which was unclear about how the cross-over scene would work between HULK and IRON MAN.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Mr Saxon

    by Gwai Lo

    I can't find any reference to Lucasfilm developing a Marvel movie in the eighties, help me out here?

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:58 p.m. CST

    Ahahahahah

    by Gwai Lo

    You got me. My dreams, shattered.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:58 p.m. CST

    Don't wait forever for Avengers

    by california_mtz

    My only wisdom to share on the subject of an Avengers movies is this: while it would be optimal to wait until all main characters have already debuted in their respective movies, sometimes in life you can't have everything optimal. For instance, if Marvel has to wait 20 years for all the lead characters to have their own movie first and then do an Avengers movie, they will have wasted value time as well as a huge financial opportunity. On the other hand, if they do an Avengers movie next summer before Captain America or Thor, then they won't have properly stoked the market for it. So, I guess what I'm trying to say is, find the right balance in timing rather than have an absolute mindset to do an Avengers movie last; an Avengers movie will also stoke interest in a lesser Marvel character if the lesser character's movie is release after an Avengers super movie! Please don't make us wait that long Marvel, I beg of you!

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:58 p.m. CST

    superhero timesharing

    by bryan vancampen

    This whole Iron Man-Hulk dovetailing thing brings up one of my biggest regrets with regards to Marvel and DC movies. The characters used to pop up in each others' storylines whenever Stan Lee felt like spending time with them. It was a great reminder that most of the Marvel gang lived in New York City. Why wouldn't they run into each other. But since different studios optioned different characters, voila! No cool cameos. No Marvel Team-Ups. Now if Marvel signed an overall film deal with one studio, I'd bet we might see more crossover characters/cameos. Just a thought, and I am very much looking forward to what Favs does with "Iron Man".

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 11:04 p.m. CST

    Avengers movie would be sweet

    by kafka07

    Just keep it away from the people who made Fantastic Four. And put the character Vision in the film.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 11:04 p.m. CST

    it would be nice if marvel went R-rated versus G-rated JLA

    by flipster

    like blade 1 - real not unrealistic candy-coated worlds realized on film but how things would play in the real world but with their characters. I guess casg flow would probably only create a 14+ at most so any avenger ovie will probably not be that fantastic. but I agree it would be nice to be optimistic - but assumption is the mother of all something or other and even optimism is assumption. or just marketing pr speak.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 11:05 p.m. CST

    BryanVanCampen...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... that's what I was talking about in the article. Marvel is now essentially their own independent studio, reclaiming certain character rights so that they can do exactly that. Universal is just distributing THE INCREDIBLE HULK, but Marvel is fully funding it, just like they are with IRON MAN, ANT-MAN, CAPTAIN AMERICA, and THOR. They finally wised up.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Haha, you're right

    by Gwai Lo

    And now a bunch of you talkbackers are probably going to beat me to the punch. What I'm looking for is someone to say "that's a terrible idea and here's why:" to explain why Marvel would never pay me for something like that. I know that writing spec scripts for copyright material can be very dicey. I write screenplays and I could easily spend the time I would spend on a Marvel script writing an original property. But I have these crazy aspirations of making enough bank to buy a house so I can rent out rooms for food money and be an unemployed writer indefinitely. But I also kind of want to do it for fun, so I'll probably do it anyway. It's not Captain America by the way, as that is already tentatively moving forward with a director (Nick Cassavetes), writer (David Self), and a release date (2009, which I doubt.)

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 11:11 p.m. CST

    And as much as I want a big paycheck...

    by Gwai Lo

    I also want to see a cool character done properly.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 11:14 p.m. CST

    The Crimson Dynamo?

    by Robots In Das Guys

    WHAT THE FUCK? He's supposed to be called Iron Monger. Why fuck with that? Plus, as someone else pointed out, there are Iron Man toys labeled "Iron Monger" already. There's no "Crimson Dynamo".

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 11:15 p.m. CST

    This sounds great and all...

    by CatVutt

    Of course, it's all derailed when Downey goes on another bender and lands himself in prison for a couple of years.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Thanks, TheRealMoriarty!

    by bryan vancampen

    Gee, I thought I read the story pretty thoroughly, but I have to say that your confirmation really makes my day! I keep thinking of Matt Murdock as Peter Parker's lawyer, or Spidey facing off several times with the FF! As for the Avengers movie, here's what I'd love to see: seven characters with six of them having been established before. We know who they are, etc. And then a seventh character whose backstory hasn't been done could be a new member or the catalyst for the story. That way, we could see joining the Avengers through a fresh pair of eyes. TheRealMoriarty, I dig your work, sir. Nice doing the e-jaw withya!

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Oh I have talent.

    by Gwai Lo

    Talent in spades. I already have one of the primary traits of talent, a massive ego. Yeah, I'm just going to write the damn thing as quick and dirty as possible and hope for the best. I do realize that what happened with the Wonder Woman project was fairly unprecedented, and it's still not even clear what really happened to get Whedon canned like that. But it seems like the odds are higher than winning the lottery, no?

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 11:35 p.m. CST

    No Captain America Movie, make him Avengers

    by messi

    focalpoint. Like The Ultimats. It's how it should be, then people think 'cool, cap is awesome' and then you can make a captain movie.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Not too sound conceited or anything..

    by Gwai Lo

    But I have full confidence that I can produce better work in a month or two than whoever wrote the Fantastic Four films, Elektra, Ghost Rider, etc. I always strive for quality, but I can write really quickly when I want to, and in this case the plot is already mapped out for me, all I have to do is connect the dots. I would not deviate too far from the source.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 11:40 p.m. CST

    Gwai Lo...

    by Executor

    Useless to write a script for something you don't have rights to. Unless you have an agent, they'll never read it. They don't want the liability of being sued by every person who decided to write a spec script and it has similarities to their eventual product. And if you DO have an agent, he can set up a meeting where you go in and pitch your take instead of wasting time on a spec. <p> It can be done (spec muppet movie, for example, lol) but 99,999 times out of 100,000 you are wasting your time.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Not to sound conceited

    by Gwai Lo

    I will of course be checking for mistakes like that before I fax it on over to Marvel.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Cory849

    by messi

    Justice League has always had a theme, it was 'big' everything that happens is fucking massive. I mean look at JLA: Heaven's Ladder. And Avengers has one as well, these people don't get along, way too many personalities in a group to save the world.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 11:42 p.m. CST

    Executor

    by Gwai Lo

    This is the type of discouraging advice I was looking for.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 11:43 p.m. CST

    FACT: Avengers will pwn Justice League

    by J-Dizzle

    Simply because Avengers will most likely get the actors from the stand alone movies.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Love how Iron Man is looking

    by THE KNIGHT

    but until I see the movie, I don't want to give Favs my whole heart just yet! <p> Guys like Nolan have proven themselves already and Favs is now getting his feet wet in the Superhero Genre... <p> But I'm optimistic, I'll be there opening day.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 11:54 p.m. CST

    Maybe I'll just read Mark Steven Johnson's autobio

    by Gwai Lo

    to figure out how that hackjob made it in there.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 12:01 a.m. CST

    I've never been a pissy fanboy...

    by Shermdawg

    ...that wouldn't see a flick over certain choices being made, but mark my words, if Cap doesn't have wings on his noggin, I'm out.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 12:03 a.m. CST

    did i hear someone mention "Crimson Dynamo"?

    by cornponious

    http://tommynitro.ytmnd.com

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 12:06 a.m. CST

    While we're on the topic

    by Gwai Lo

    Peter Krause is my choice for Cap. It's too bad Klaus Kinski is dead, because he'd make the definitive Red Skull. But Bruno Ganz is still kicking around, and he'd be awesome as well.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 12:20 a.m. CST

    Moriarty

    by tehgreekhammer

    Gee past few months doesnt include January as we are currently at the beginning of it. <p> So the past few months would constitute December, November and October. <p> You guys havent broken a really big story before it appears on another site in a loooooong time. <p> Maybe AICN can put out a few more Best of 07 lists where everyones lists are almost identical as to what their favorite movies are. <p> you guys have gotten so far away from what this site started out as, that its not even funny any more. <p> I guess Chud and Dark Horizons are where I'll go for the big movie news as it breaks, and I'll keep coming here sporadically to read about it days after the stories break. <p> I couldnt be more excited abut Iron Man and the Hulk though. Glad to see Obadiah Stanes IRON MONGER looking pretty bad ass as the main villain in this flick. <p> tell Harry to keep up the "good" work.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 12:29 a.m. CST

    Interesting..

    by TiPPiDa

    I like the one scene in 5 movies style tie in thingy (technical term).<p>Hopefully the Iron Man / Hulk tie in isn't something lame like when you saw Thomas Jane on the street in Spiderman 2, and you got that supergeek feeling of... "ooohhhh baby.. Spiderman / Punisher story". <p>One of those things where if you blink you would miss it.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 12:31 a.m. CST

    IGGY POP FOR RED SKULL

    by TiPPiDa

    You know it....

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 12:35 a.m. CST

    Best Decision Marvel Ever Made....

    by cookiepuss

    was to completely reboot The Hulk - hopefully Edward Norton will erase the painful memory of Eric Bana and the worst special effects in recent memory (and Ang Lee and his fucking hulk dogs)

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 12:49 a.m. CST

    WASN'T AICN THE 1ST TO BREAK NEWS

    by THE KNIGHT

    On bale being in the new terminator film?

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 1:07 a.m. CST

    Mori........

    by Boromir187

    not trying to doubt you or anything, but all press for the film about its villain has stated that he is Iron Monger, not Crimson Dynamo. Hell, even the recently released toys & packaging online call him Iron Monger. Besides, the "villain" suit is grey & silver.......whereas Crimson Dynamo is obviously a red-suited character. It would be stupid to have a character with Crimson in their name not be wearing red. I think you might be mistaken on this...

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 2:19 a.m. CST

    KRACK

    by THE KNIGHT

    If all my marbles are in place, after Harry broke the story (FIRST) Devin posted saying he was sitting on this scoop for awhile but wasn't sure he should post the news or something like that... <p> My point is, people seem to give AICN a lot of BS about not getting scoops when they indeed do, and have been doing...

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 3:02 a.m. CST

    "IGGY POP FOR RED SKULL"

    by WONKABAR

    TiPPiDa...lol!...Seconded. Btw The Hulk with Downey is some seriously sick news. Marvel seems to be moving into a very cool direction here. Looks like many more fully loaded Comic-Cons for years to come.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 3:07 a.m. CST

    Old news

    by Ash Talon

    This crossover scene has been rumored for a while. Also, aren't you just referencing another site's interview, so how is this breaking news? Regarding the "Crimson Dynamo" name. Uh....the armor Stane wears isn't even red. How can it be called Crimson Dynamo? Sounds like someone has their villains crossed. Just because Stane's armor isn't called the Iron Monger in the movie doesn't mean that's not it's name. Crimson Dynamo is too silly of a name for this film's "reality" anyway.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 3:22 a.m. CST

    Excuse Me...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... I got some spoilers crossed. I'm going to correct the article, but leave these talkbacks to indicate how I had it wrong when I printed it. You're right about the Iron Monger thing, obviously. I read something in a related e-mail and crossed it with this. I plead temporary post-holiday insanity. The rest of this is correct, and will be left as is. Thank you guys for repeatedly telling me I was wrong until I listened.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 3:40 a.m. CST

    I was gonna say,

    by Mockingbuddha

    Cause they showed those toys a while back and the package said Iron Monger. How lame am I to bring this up after the whole thing is already resolved? Also this all sounds like good news, it sounds like it may take a while, but the Avengers movie has the potential to make JLA look like a bad made for SciFi channel TV movie. Now if Marvel would stop doing four mega crossovers a year all would be right with the world.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 4:22 a.m. CST

    Thanks for telling you you were wrong til you listned?

    by worldofwarcraft

    Well how bout every body listen to this. NCFOM is overrated. Just like the new Iron Man trailer is overrated. Comics are comics and they're great for what they are. Comic movies are alright, but none of them have yet to accomplish what the great comics have: transcend their usually disposable medium and become 'art'.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 4:25 a.m. CST

    Cap standalone won't work unless post avengers

    by messi

    It'd be easier to sell a Captain America movie(written by Ed Brubaker) after Cap has been introduced in Avengers, then people will think 'woahh Cap is cool' that's smart producing. Bring the standalone Iron Man movie, ant man movie and even thor movie, but make Captain America the focalpoint of Avengers.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 4:29 a.m. CST

    worldofwarcraft

    by messi

    those words coming from a guy whose name is worldofwarcraft. you know fuck all about comics you uncultured cunt.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 4:35 a.m. CST

    worldofwarcraft

    by Mezzanine

    Just wait for THE DARK KNIGHT. Seriously, you'll see then.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 4:37 a.m. CST

    Captain America

    by Mezzanine

    Whenever Capt. America gets introduced in film, don't have him be some wide-eyed dipshit who believes in the inherent greatness of America. I want him to be gritty and real... someone who believes in the idea of America, but is disillusioned with the reality. Or have him be a "true believer" and find out that the world isn't actually like that. Either one would be a cool character arch.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 5 a.m. CST

    Favreau and folks

    by Holgi65

    From what I see in the trailer Iron Man will be fun to watch. Especially since Mr. Stark appears quite cynical - was that in the book? Mr. Favreau surprised me with Zathura, maybe he can do it with The Avengers. Matthew Vaughn's Layer Cake was very good, but doing Thor is like... hard. I can see the guy with the cane going Shazaam and so on. But he has to meet with Odin from time to time. And that makes me itchy. Well, but who needs another Hulk?

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 5:02 a.m. CST

    yay two b-list characters are connected

    by Pipple

    yawn

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 5:45 a.m. CST

    Terrence Howard will be Iron Man in THE AVENGERS

    by stones_throw

    I bet.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 5:55 a.m. CST

    Marvel As Their Own Film Studio...

    by SoWasRed2012

    I think it's awesome that Marvel have grown so much that they can actually do this and start planning ahead in ways that make geeks geek-out, but I gotta ask: how the hell will they ever get Spidey, F4 and the X-Men back under their control so's there's a possibility of seeing Spidey bantering with Johnny Storm, or some incarnation of the New Avengers?

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 6:10 a.m. CST

    AICN, FREE MR. NICE GAIUS!!

    by DocPazuzu

    What would talkback be without the Cthulhu dance?

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 6:18 a.m. CST

    This will never happen, but..

    by BenBraddock

    I like dreaming about an Avengers movie based upon the original line-up, filmed with a retro feel. Using the original grey Iron Man (his appearance in the trailer gave me the biggest thrill), a Kirby Hulk (that's how the Hulk should look, a bit Cro-Magnon - I'm disappointed that the new Hulk looks so "vanilla"..) Thor, Cap and the original Ant-Man & Wasp. Set it in the sixties, have them fight Loki.. go on Marvel, I dare you! Do it for me!

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 7:13 a.m. CST

    Marvel will be damned

    by emeraldboy

    either way. there were people who never read marvel or DC comics growing up. Some like myself know the characters from the tv and movies only. That includes the 1990's cartoon series that were made of at least several iconic characters. and way before then. ie superfriends and so on.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 7:53 a.m. CST

    So we'll have an ULTIMATE AVENGERS film to go with ULTIMATE IRON

    by Monkey_King

    Sounds to me like MARVEL is abandoning all classic origins for their Superhero/Mutant roster and making films all based on the (shudder) ULTIMATES line instead. What a travesty indeed. MARVEL and Favreau be damned for casting Jackson as Fury.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 8:20 a.m. CST

    The Dark Knight will kick all these MarvelAsses

    by pipergates

    Just you wait and see. Anyway, Favreau is less likely to bring out the worst of the marvel universe than Raimi, the Electra guy, the Ghostrider guy, etcetera etcetera etcetera.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Ultimate style it has a chance of not being silly

    by pipergates

    and hire Millar as casting director

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 8:31 a.m. CST

    When you pull in the Mullagh it

    by emeraldboy

    really doesnt really matter to Marvel what the geeks think or anyone else for that matter. In ireland for the 2nd year in a row Killinaskully(all four series are out on DVD to buy from rte.ie) broke audience rating figures by 800,000. Critics in ireland hate killinaskully with a passion, were the figures manipulated by rte.possibly . The Late Late show is a program which is also critically deried by critics but it sits a top the ratings tree and regulary pulls in 500,000 viewers. Tv companies have been massaging nielsen Rating the world over for years. But if you have 800, 000 people watching your show and have bagged cannes award for your acting, you can take breaks whenever you like and why the hell should you listen to critics. Irish COmic brendan O carroll despises critcs, His dvds are hugely popular, his how sellout. He hates critic and in fact he says if you see a critic give him a hug. "I take what critcs say with a pinch of salt". When you have sell out runs in both liverpool and dublin why should you listen to what critics say. even if the plays he writes are shite.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Monkey_King would you rather prefer..

    by Stalkeye

    ..David Hasselhoff instead? *Grin*

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Even if they don't make an avengers film...

    by lex romero

    ..i still love that we'll actually have some cross over with the film chracters. Half the marvel cast live in NY yet we never get any mention or sight of them in the individual films. I love the idea of them just having a nod to the other characters, acknowledging its' all part of one world.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Love the Thunderbolt/Stark connection

    by SpencerTrilby

    but the whole "Favreau wants to direct Avengers too" is PR bullshit. Favreau wanted Captain America first, and got Iron Man. If his Iron Man underperforms, they'll give Avengers to Leterrier or Wright, or whoever outperformed his flick.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST

    The only problem with having the characters cross over...

    by rbatty024

    into other films is that it restricts how a director will approach a certain superhero. The styles have to be cohesive otherwise it doesn't quite work. I like the fact that Superman and Batman both have completely different atmospheres. I would love to see a retro looking superhero film but with the way the universe is coming together that looks like an impossibility. In essence this means tighter control by the suits and less control by the directors.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 11:29 a.m. CST

    AION: Aint It Old News

    by tehgreekhammer

    from 3/10/07 <p> TERMINATOR 4 update! Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. The big talk of the internet right now is a rumor over at CHUD concerning McG possibly stepping behind the camera for T4. <p> CHUD breaking the story... <p> From 12/21/07 One We Missed: CHUD’s Kickass TERMINATOR 4 Details! Hey, everyone. ”Moriarty” here. I’ve been so busy this week that even though I read a great story posted by Devin Faraci over on CHUD, I forgot to link to it. And trust me... this is one that’s worth a talkback. I can’t get over the awkwardly silly title of TERMINATOR SALVATION: THE FUTURE BEGINS, which just seems excessive. But it sounds like something interesting is going on with the development of this one. Check out what Devin sent... you’ll see what I mean. And while you’re over at CHUD, you might check out this other piece by Devin, one of the best things he’s written in his time online. Who is the lead character of Terminator 4? What familiar characters from the past show up? What kind of Terminators will we see? The answers are here!

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 11:46 a.m. CST

    TiPPiDa

    by Damn Dirty Ape

    whoa, Tom Jane had a cameo in Spider-man 2??? where the fuck was I? what scene is he in??

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Thor, Iron Man, Hulk, Cap

    by AuntieMeat

    I have a boyfriend at the moment that was drooling over the Iron Man trailer. He adores Captain America and would just go nutso if someone gave his character the royal treatment in an Avengers field. And it'd help if it had The Hulk in it, because that's his #2 Marvel guy and he still has a bad taste in his mouth from the Ang Lee movie.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 12:28 p.m. CST

    SHIA FOR APACHE CHEIF!!!

    by Mike_D

    mark my words.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 12:45 p.m. CST

    This is geek heaven!

    by BUCK.STARBLASTER

    Marvel sounds like they"get it".Unlike that JL mess, marvel is correct to want to use the same actors from each respective movie for a team up.Of course they have to wait until Captain america(which better have heart to accompany killer action)Thor(after seeing star dust, I know that mathew voughn was the perfect choice to direct)and iron man(looks great)come out.I always wondered why in spiderman they never had any daily bugle headlines in the background that read"who are the x men" or "mutant terrorist magneto strikes again".It does not interfear with the plot and is great fan service.Anyway to all of the naysayers,Any movie (teamup or outherwise) can work.What people forget is that a movies quality is dependand upon a good script a good director and good actors.heck,the right people could make a live action charlie brown and snoopy movie work.Think about it, what would the lord of the rings trilogy have been like had it been directed by uwe(toilet)boll or paul anderson?

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Geek heaven continued.

    by BUCK.STARBLASTER

    IT is also ok if the characters tonaliy clash.that creates drama.there personalites(cap thor iorn man)should be vastly different!

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Marvel:thinking ahead

    by DoctorWho?

    Trying to get as much mileage they can out of such a rich universe. They know the geeks are out there clamoring for this kind of stuff.Im not a big Avengers guy, but I dig all the heroes seperately. Curious to see this come together in an epic story arc if possible.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 2:03 p.m. CST

    HARRY BROKE THE STORY ABOUT BALE

    by THE KNIGHT

    Possibly being John Conner... not talking about that story thegreekhammer

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Monkey_King

    by Johnny Smith

    I really don't think we're getting an Ultimate Iron Man movie for an instant. For starters, no way in hell would anyone buy Robert Downey Jr. being made out of brain tissue.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Not Ultimate. Not 616.

    by ZeroCorpse

    The movies are their own universe, separate from Ultimate and 616, but making up a decent combination of the two. . . Except the Bana Hulk, which was probably a What If? or something, like "What If The Hulk Were A Whiny Pussy?" <p> I take the movies as being separate from the books, and that means that certain little things can be different without it being devastating. <p> However, even the 616 universe has its share of fuck-ups. Look at what happened to Spider-Man just this past week--- Joe Quesada completely FUCKED UP the book by retconning Pete's marriage out of existence, bringing Harry back from the dead, and making Pete's recent unmasking forgotten in a poof of magic courtesy of a deal with Mephisto. Oh, yeah, and Peter lives with his Aunt again. <p> So the movies aren't the only ones to fuck up Marvel characters. As it stands, the movies have a better version of Spider-Man than the one that remains after JQ's fuck-roll on the character. At least movie Peter is out of his Aunt's house. <p> Iron Man should rock. The new Hulk should be pretty good too (as long as he's not red... More JQ fucking-with-Marvel stuff). An Avengers movie would be awesome, but it would be incomplete if they fail to cast just the right person as Jarvis. <p> And that's a tough call.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Can everyone stop bashing Ang Lee's Hulk please?

    by SoWasRed2012

    The Hulk a whiny pussy? Riiight. I'm sick of all the shit people level at the film, it's absolutely brilliant and definitely my favourite comic book adaptation - everyone goes gaga over Batman Begins because it shows how a guy might realistically get to the point, psychologically, where he feels like he has to dress up like a bat and beat people up. Ang Lee does essentially the same thing with Bruce Banner, shows why a guy might realistically have such a torrent of rage bottled up that, post-gammasphere, turns him into a creature of pure anger. Yeah, it strays from the comic book a lot, but every decision they made in that respect only lends credibility to the film. Honestly, I'd rather see Bruce Banner turn into the Hulk because he's just unlocked the memory of his Dad killing his Mum than see David Banner turning into the Hulk because his car broke down and now he can't get it to start.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Iron Monger, Crimson Dynamo...

    by Kid Z

    ...Who cares? IM's always had crappy villains. This thing's gonna be Robert Downey Jr.'s baby. Just be happy the villain wasn't the Unicorn or maybe the Beetle...

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Yeah that red Hulk's some fucked up shit...

    by Kid Z

    ...And if he's red, the complimentary or opposite color from green on the color spectrum, does that mean he got that way from an overdose of radio waves which are on the opposite end of the electromagnetic spectrum from gamma rays? And shouldn't he therefore be really smart and weak instead of really stupid and strong? And shouldn't Joe Quesada (sounds like some kind of Tex-Mex cheese-based appetizer, ironically enough) be drawing or any other job instead of editing Marvel into the ground?

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 4:03 p.m. CST

    And if you're gonna have a Hulk movie...

    by Kid Z

    ...featuring the traditional green Hulk, shouldn't the comics reflect that? Imagine all the kids being jazzed by the movie, going to a comics shop, and seeing this red thing with a ridiculously convoluted storyline courtesy of JQ and his rotating staff of boutique writers.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 5 p.m. CST

    Not Ultimate Iron Man

    by Subculture

    Yeah, the Ultimate Iron Man thing just isn't true. It seems more true to the origin story, but with a few changes, obviously. Just want to say that the Mysterious Yobo stuff was ridiculous as well, gimmick poster? Telling somebody that they are piss poor at writing is slightly undermined when you use "your" instead of "you're" in the subject header.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Just as well ...

    by The StarWolf

    That their movies are doing reasonably well - on average - because, according to the local shop, comics sales are tanking for Marvel thanks to the unbelievable stupidity of the One More Day storyline.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Ok WTF??

    by gilbud99

    Am I confused or did I see a talk back post saying the Avengers never worked as a comic. Think of how finicky and opinionated comic book readers have been over the years. Avengers has been around for what 35-40 years, yeh that's just a flash in the pan. At one time or another, virtually half of the heroes in the Marvel universe, and more than half of the villains have been involved in an Avengers book. A team up, that is more on the lines of Secret Wars or the like, great stories but short term. Think about it, we have had several successful Marvel animated movies now straight to DVD. We don't need ever explanation of back story to have a successful movie. And if you want a really strong back story, ou need to add, what 20 - 25 minutes to a movie. Ok, it comes in at 2:30 hours at that point. So what, look at LOTR, Gladiator, Braveheart. Get a good story, a director that gives a shit, which I think Favreau is a great choice, and quality action. What you get is some good entertainment. Go through with it, and don't fuck it bitches. And all of the complainers, yeh try and enjoy a movie for once, and quit comparing everything to the second coming. Rant over.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 9:11 p.m. CST

    By the way

    by gilbud99

    Great call on casting Jarvis. Just a bit of glue for the mold.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Pipple assfuck

    by messi

    b-list in popularity or character. cos these characters are a-list, so is Iron Fist and Daredevil.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 10:37 p.m. CST

    just please don't get Tim Story to direct

    by marv42134213

    I just watched both FF movies back to back last night, and while they both weren't really that bad. I mean come on. They were created before spider-man, x-men and the rest. I have given up hope on an awsome last film with skrulls or whatever with a james cameron type director making an actually serious movie for lifelong fans, so hopefully, hopefully, they can make an awsome Avengers movie with the actors, director, gravity and story it deserves. Don't get me wrong, I was glad to see my favorite FF team on screen since I have been collecting the comics since I was a kid, but nobody can tell me that it couldn't have been a much better, well developed movie. My girlfriend, who I make sit through these with me and loves the spidey movie thought we could have come up with better one liners than they did. Here's hoping for great things with Iron Man and the rest of the Great Marvel state. Please don't blow it on sub-par directors.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 12:32 a.m. CST

    yobo

    by marv42134213

    reed: Sue, you are on fire Sue: You think? victor: Sue, let's not fight Sue: No, let's Nurse,as johnny temp reaches 200: Youre hot Johnny: so are you I know there are more,and I will watch it again to get some. I'm not saying I didn't like the movie. I was just hoping a more James Cammeron or something like that. I guess i am just being a sour grape guy cause I grew up loving the FF and I wanted a more character developed movie, but hey, I'm glad they made it and I'm not trying to be a negative nancy here. I quess I just wanted that movie I always dreamed of when I was a kid and Galactus wasn't a storm cloud, but I did enjoy the movie and I know it was aimed at families. didn't mean to make you mad if I did. I'm sure I couldn't have made a better movie. I am just glad they are being made. Hope I didn't offend.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 12:45 a.m. CST

    GO, FAVERAU, GO!!!!!!! :D

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    PLEASE... let every fanboy's dream come TRUE and let this be the start of actual crossover meetings between different superheroes on the big screen!!!<p>...And done WELL!!!!

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 4:44 a.m. CST

    Damn Dirty Ape

    by TiPPiDa

    Sorry, I sort of forgot i posted to this one (it happens with undying regularity)<p> At the end when Mary Jane is running through the park with her wedding dress on, Tom Jane can be seen glancing at her while she runs past. (He is not in any kind of costume, however he is dressed all in black with the black dyed hair. Jane admits it was him. Well, at least according to an interview done in Wizard Magazine)<P> I've had a look and if its not Jane, its a pretty good look alike. (Look for the dude on the right by the fountain as Mary Jane runs past) I could remember seeing it in the Theater and my girlfriend and I lit up like christmas trees we smiled huge cheshire cat smiles and she said "Was that?!?!.... NO FUCKING WAY... Ohhhhh baby.. Punisher Spidey crossover"<p>Geek girls who play golf are super hot hahaha maybe I'm biased.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 4:47 a.m. CST

    JUST USE AN AVENGERS FILM TO INTRO CAP

    by reflecto

    Cap is the cornerstone of the Avengers, make him the lead. Simple. I don't think a solo Cap film will do that great.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 8:59 a.m. CST

    I think that studios are learning once again

    by emeraldboy

    that sometimes secrecy is a good idea. This all came about because at last years Comic con Kirsten couldnt keep her mouth shut about Spiderman 3. Despite the knocks spidey three got it sill made a huge amount of money.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Avengers Film Should Mirror X-Men 1

    by Sith42

    In that the film largely serves to introduce the everyman character reacting to the surreal characters he finds himself surrounded by. Cap should be introduced similarly, trying to coordinate all these potentially clashing personalities, while trying to find his own place in the new world he was reborn into. It'd be like early Avengers issues where the team was chaotic and Iron Man was doing all he could to keep things moving forward.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Fantastic Four were the most disappointing superhero films...

    by rbatty024

    to date. You could argue that Elektra and Catwoman were worse films, but no one had any real expectations for those. Besides, as bad as Elektra was I still don't think it was as bad as the first FF. For some people the general populace loved those movies. They did well at the box office. Why? I'll never know, but my faith in humanity is slowly diminishing.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Didn't Marvel have control over there recent...

    by hallmitchell

    animtated films. Iron man, Avengers 1 and 2. All three suck. Yet I love the concept of Marvel Universe, besides the exception of J.Jameson dropping Dr. Strange in Spiderman that concept has not been evident.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Proof of Iron Monger...enjoy..note the name on pacakge...

    by Namorita

    http://tinyurl.com/3659by

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 12:35 p.m. CST

    TiPPiDa

    by Damn Dirty Ape

    oh, dont worry, I believe you. I just cant believe I never noticed him before and I've watched the movie several times. Usually I notice the little shit like that. I'll have to point that out to my friends...the same ones who think The Punisher was actually a good movie......*sigh*... Poor, POOR Thomas Jane.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Re: Can everyone stop bashing Ang Lee's Hulk please?

    by ZeroCorpse

    No. <p> Ang Lee is a crappy director. He mistakes "moodiness" for depth. <p> The father issues were fine with me (better when Peter David came up with it on his run, but...) --- My problem was the execution. Bana sucked. Ang Lee's direction for him was "OK, now look introspective. . . And hold that for another 90 minutes." <p> Gag me. It's THE HULK. He's not supposed to spend more time moping than he does smashing things. So far, the best representation of the Hulk that I've seen on a screen has been "The Incredible Hulk: Ultimate Destruction" for the XBox. The story was in-line with Hulk history. The portrayal of the Hulk was accurate (violent and monstrous, instead of just a bigger, greener Frankenstein's monster). The villains made sense and were interesting. <p> I'm convinced Ang Lee wanted to make a Frankenstein movie, but was turned down, so he used his ideas in The Hulk, to disastrous effect. <p> So no, I will not stop bashing Ang Lee's Hulk. Nor will I stop bashing Tim Burton's Batman. Both sucked and missed the point of the characters entirely, and in doing so they betrayed the fans who would pay to see those movies.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Ang Lee's Hulk

    by Damn Dirty Ape

    i was annoyed mostly with the overacting by everyone not named Jennifer Connelly. everyone fucking growled in that movie...Bana, Nolte, Lucas, Elliot....even the fucking flashback actors of Nolte and Elliot fucking growled.... or maybe there was a point to it and i just didnt get it.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 8:53 p.m. CST

    ZeroCorpse. re: "Can everyone stop bashing Ang Lee"

    by Immortal_Fish

    Or not, as it were.<P>Hey, you're a liberal. Can't I just call you a homophobe and call it a day? No? Well, I ain't a liberal, so go figure.<P>"It's THE HULK. He's not supposed to spend more time moping than he does smashing things. So far, the best representation of the Hulk that I've seen on a screen has been "The Incredible Hulk: Ultimate Destruction" for the XBox."<P>And, hence, you just obviated how little you truly know about the Hulk character.<P>In that game (as if 40+ years can be summed up adequately in any game), the Hulk was more a machination at the beck and call of Banner and Samson. The big, green guy was not the Hulk character insomuch as he was A character. He was like a humanoid RC under control. The persona of the Hulk was not present at all. Didn't you pay attention to the talksy parts?<P>"The portrayal of the Hulk was accurate (violent and monstrous, instead of just a bigger, greener Frankenstein's monster)."<P>You threw in the 'Frankenstein' angle, so I give you at least that much credit. But ultimately (no pun intended), Hulk is not about smashing. Hulk is about being left alone. I find it sad that the parody Young Frankenstein 'got' the Hulk way more than any Hulk movie ever will. Ang's Hulk will be much more accurate compared to the source material than anything Norton's ego is a part of.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 9:04 p.m. CST

    I'm hoping it'll work...

    by just pillow talk

    Even though we've never gotten a full group movie with all members involved like others have said above. I am hopeful, since with all of these individual movies coming out before hand, they can flesh out all the characters. This way, with the Avengers movie, the story and action can just take place without focusing on some hero's origin story.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Bring On The Witch

    by LexLovesYou

    Scarlet Witch. Gotta be in the movie. The past year made her one f the major players in the Marvel universe. But she's always been a key, if under appreciated, character. Is Angelina Jolie out of the questions?

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 3:04 a.m. CST

    Favreau is the...

    by poeticwarriorII

    shiznit. I'm looking forward to both of these movies. I'd love to see an avengers movie.

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 6:32 a.m. CST

    LexLovesYou

    by just pillow talk

    If this is supposed to be the 'original' avengers, which is what they sound like they are trying to do (unlike the X-men), then no Witch. Unless she's wicked hot, then she can have a cameo.

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Zero Corpse Re: Can everyone stop bashing Ang Lee's Hulk please?

    by SoWasRed2012

    "I'm convinced Ang Lee wanted to make a Frankenstein movie, but was turned down, so he used his ideas in The Hulk, to disastrous effect." Yeah, good argument. Only, the Hulk is and always was a reinterpretation of the Frankenstein story (Stan Lee admits as much) so I'm not sure exactly how you can cite the fact that the film sticks to it's thematic roots as a complaint against it. Disastrous effect? What? Elaborate so I can respond with more than in-kind vagueries. Also, I played Ultimate Destruction, and no, it is not the best representation of the Hulk on any screen so far, at no point did I ever give a shit about Banner OR the Hulk in that game, enjoyable as it was to level huge buildings there was absolutely no depth to it. And speaking of giving a shit about Banner, I see that as another the films strong points, Ang Lee spent the majority of the time investigating Banner's character instead of going the easy route and having a mastubatory 90-minute smash-fest. I'll admit, that's what I'd expected to see, and wanted to see even, but what I got was far better than I could have hoped for.

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 11:27 a.m. CST

    I agree that Ang Lee's Hulk was an surprisingly good film.

    by rbatty024

    Easily one of the best superhero films of recent years. It's one of those movies where the more you watch it the more you notice. The problem people seem to have with it is that there is too much philosophy and characterization and not enough action. You can have lamebrain action in any DTV Stephen Segal flick, let the rest of us have a good story. Lee attempted to deal with complex issues (nature v. nurture, the sins of the father) while at the same time acknowledging The Hulk's pulp roots. The split screen, while off putting at first, becomes a wonderful device upon subsequent viewing. There's so much information on screen that you have to watch it several times to breath everything in. It has become one of my favorite superhero films. <p> I would have less of a problem with the new Hulk if they weren't hitting the reset button. If you want more action then use the first movie as the set up and continue from there. I don't think those who disliked the original would care and you won't alienate those of us who liked the first film. Even if the new Hulk is a great film, you can be sure I'll be downloading it in protest.

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 2:25 p.m. CST

    If Stark is in the Hulk

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Hulk could be in Iron Man, or at least be implied in Iron Man, if they show Starks cache of different suits and the Hulkbuster armor is one of 'em. Aw, who cares.

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 4:13 p.m. CST

    rbatty024

    by SpencerTrilby

    I'm not as fond of Ang Lee's Hulk as you seem to be, but it was indeed an interesting movie with lots of cool experimentations. I loved the split screen and performances, but the script was a bit all over the place, strayed too much from the canon (I mean, not like organic web shooters, but REALLY TOO MUCH) and the attempts at emotional depth were a bit heavy handed. <p> My main problem with that last point is that the movie lacked one audience-involving turning point, when the crisis upon the Hulk really touches you and you can feel empathy for him while he's transforming. It's not about how many choppers or tanks he'll take down but more "how much shit can one man take before going insane". I never really felt that for Bruce and that lack of identification combined with green poodle makes this movie half the kickass flick it could've been to me. <p> As for the Hulk/Iron Man connection, did anyone mentioned if Downey would be in Hulk 2, or rather William Hurt will be in Iron Man? Sounds unclear to me.

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Trik_Ster

    by Damn Dirty Ape

    touche, Sir. but that still doesn't excuse the other actors. I wasnt sure who annoyed me more. Ill excuse Bana cause, well, hes Eric fucking Bana. but Nolte and Lucas? give me a break...just lazy acting. whatever happend to the gold ole "grind your teeth so hard your head shakes" style of anger-acting??

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 7:21 a.m. CST

    SpencerTrilby

    by SoWasRed2012

    As far as your 'audience-involving turning point' goes, I'd argue that the first time he transforms pretty much ticks the 'how much shit can one man take before going insane' box, that's a lot of shit hitting him all at once (realising his dad is A: alive and B: made him a freak and the implications of that fact, and that his lab is this close to being taken over now that Ross is involved) and Bana absolutely nails his frustration before getting all big and green. For me, that was involving. Especially the split second when Bruce calms down as soon as he realises that just talking to Betty would help, only to not reach the phone before she hangs up.

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 7:26 a.m. CST

    One more thing...

    by SoWasRed2012

    SpencerTrilby, that's only my opinion, you're entitled to yours, I just don't agree. Except maybe about the Hulk poodles. Although it was nice to see Hulk punching something that wasn't a tank.

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 7:48 a.m. CST

    I thought the Mandarin was going to be the villain in this.

    by rev_skarekroe

    Stane is ok too, I guess.

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 9:34 a.m. CST

    SoWasRed2012

    by SpencerTrilby

    I agree that the moment you describe looks promising on the page. It contains everything: anger, fear and buried feelings digged up all of a sudden. But as much as it works on the paper, I never felt it worked on the screen. I gotta agree it's a damn hard balance to find because becoming Hulk is as much a liberation as it is a curse, but I thought Banner becoming Hulk in And Lee's flick was neither as heartbreaking as it should be to help me root for the character, nor fun enough to make me feel the kicks. I rooted more for Bill Bixby, or the comic book counterpart. <p> It's a shame cause I'm pretty sure Leterrier will never find such a balance either, making just a "Hulk SMASH" fun but shallow ride to please the Ang Lee "haters" as if they were all brainless buffoons hungry for destruction. Some are, indeed, but I'm pretty sure many people were as frustrated as me with the lack of empathy for Banner and are just asking for more "meaningful" action.

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Meh let's see if Iron Man is good before getting ahead of oursel

    by chien_sale

    Plus after having seen Stardust, i'm not impressed Vaughn's directing. That flick was bland as fuck.

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Have Cap be reborn in the Avengers movie

    by chien_sale

    It would be genius if Marvel does their Captain America movie entirely in WWII with the ending being Cap explosing with the jet in the Atlantic. Then he would be found by the Avengers in the Avengers movie like in the comics!

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 2:54 p.m. CST

    chien sale

    by SpencerTrilby

    That would be a terrific idea, but the studio will never be ballsy enough to do that. They missed a golden opportunity with Iron Man (which would have been more meaningful if set during the cold war - where it belongs); and Favreau set the tone of Captain America when he was planning to do it, before trading places with Nick Cassavettes: a humorous, "fish-ou-of-water" movie where Steve Rogers struggles to fit in the 21st century. Last I read about it, they were still planning to do this.

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Gwai Lo

    by solomonkane

    I say you should go for it dude. How about a little hint about the character youve got in mind.

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Layer Cake is proof that Vaughn can direct

    by solomonkane

    Granted,Stardust was somewhat underwhelming but his first directing gig was very well done.

  • Jan. 9, 2008, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Mori -

    by genro

  • Jan. 9, 2008, 10:08 a.m. CST

    genro -

    by just pillow talk

  • Jan. 9, 2008, 6:31 p.m. CST

    just pillow talk -

    by samurai sark

  • Jan. 9, 2008, 7:08 p.m. CST

    Gwai Lo

    by samurai sark

    Just give it up man. Whats the use of folling your dreams if we're all just gonna die anyway ;)<br><br><br> All we are is dust in the wind, man.

  • Jan. 9, 2008, 7:09 p.m. CST

    PS

    by samurai sark

    supermansequel.blogspot.com

  • Jan. 10, 2008, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Crimson Dynamo

    by SuperHoss

    Crimson Dynamo was the Russian/Soviet counterpart of Iron Man.

  • Jan. 11, 2008, 9:43 a.m. CST

    http://tinyurl.com/2s2shm

    by I am Spam

    4:40-4:43. Looks Familiar. http://tinyurl.com/2s2shm