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Updated! Brandon Routh Is Evidently Still The Man Of Steel!

UPDATE -- I just got off the phone with a very high-ranking mole who is absolutely in a position to know what's happening with this film, and he tells me that it is "absolutely false" that Brandon Routh is out as Superman for the stand-alone series. The only thing that has been determined is that JUSTICE LEAGUE will not feature the actors from the other films. That's it. Right now, Routh is still Warner's choice to return if they make another stand-alone SUPERMAN film, and that's based on conversations as recently as a few weeks ago. Don't believe this one, kids. Routh's still the Man of Steel.

Hey, everyone. ”Moriarty” here. When SUPERMAN RETURNS was released, my wife and I went to a screening of the film on the Warner lot. It was a cast and crew screening about two weeks before it came out, and at the end of the screening, we were told that we could take a picture with either Brandon Routh or with Kevin Spacey. I still have a footprint on my back from where my wife trampled me in her haste to get to Routh so she could take the picture. And in that photo, which she still proudly displays, she’s smiling like she just won the lottery. I do not think the problems with SUPERMAN RETURNS... and there were many, no doubt about it... have much of anything to do with Routh. If anything, I thought he was one of the right choices that Bryan Singer made, and it seems a shame if the rumor that dozens of you have sent us from Latino Review actually is true. You can read the original story here. Basically, it just confirms that Warner Bros will be recasting the part for JUSTICE LEAGUE, but the larger implication seems to be that Routh won’t be invited back to the standalone SUPERMAN series, either. I guess it makes a certain kind of business sense, but with JUSTICE LEAGUE most decidedly not tying in to the existing BATMAN franchise, it just seems like Warner is taking advantage of the situation to pretend like this giant $300 million mistake of theirs never... ever... happened. And Routh’s the guy taking the biggest hit here. Damn shame if it’s true.

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  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:13 p.m. CST

    I'm calling bullshit on this one

    by performingmonkey

    I bet you anything there's just been some crossed wires and some over-excited, Routh-hating cunt saw that he's not doing Justice League and has these masturbatorial fantasies in his head of someone other than that 'weedy model' filling out those tights. It's bullshit. Why recast when Routh was right? It wouldn't happen unless Routh refused to return or couldn't for some reason. And would they recast Lois too? No. Go back to sleep.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:13 p.m. CST

    There is a very small percentage of the population...

    by mraig

    Who happen to look exactly like Superman. Christopher Reeve was one. Brandon Routh is another. Probably not the smartest thing to let him go if you've got him.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:13 p.m. CST


    by Captain Hollywood

    Our bad - Warner

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Routh was great

    by skywalkerfamily

    I hope the Superman sequel bombs. Why go through all the trouble of getting ANOTHER person?

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:15 p.m. CST


    by A-COD

    No loss here, Superman Returns was awful. WB is doing the right thing. Hopefully Singer is next. They had a chance and they blew it.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Stupid move...

    by andrew coleman

    He was PERFECT. Sure SR lacked action but he still was very strong and deserves a second film. Fuck JLA movie because of this bs "youn casting" I don't want babies playing my super heroes. I hope that shit bombs and bombs hard.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Can't say there's much hope for Supes anyway

    by Han Cholo

    I think in this day and age Superman might be the only wholesome superhero character. So much that he's pretty much without flaw which is why I think Singer slapped super-kid in there which did not work and was quite frankly, pretty awful. But the thing is Superman isn't an interesting character anyway, unlike Batman who has many flaws and is the most human of all heroes, super or otherwise. Me, I'll be waiting to see what they do with Dark Knight and I'm sure Nolan won't let us down.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:16 p.m. CST


    by Funk4America

    fire everybody on the POS film

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:16 p.m. CST

    So you're tellin me there's a chance!

    by droids22

    I look at this way at least there's a chance we can a great Superman movie. Since there will never be another Star Wars film ever our chances for an Empire Strikes Back killer are gone.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:17 p.m. CST


    by ForkTongue

    His style didn't bring much so I don't mind if he leaves the Supes sequel. I just wish he would have stuck with the completion of the Xmen trilogy.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Brandon Routh

    by nicky

    Moriarty - I agree with most of what I remember from your review. The entire cast (well, maybe minus Kate Bosworth) might have been fine with a different story. It was like Singer somehow convinced the studio to make a sequel about an older, more jaded Lois & Clark - and the studio convinced Singer to cast young, teen audience friendly faces as if it was a re-boot. The two ideas were incompatible.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Routh was great as Superman.

    by Rev. Slappy

    Not so great as Clark Kent. I am one of the people who thought Superman Returns was flawed but and ultimately good film. Didn't Singer have a lot of problems with the studio on it? I know they shut the film down for a few weeks so everybody could decompress.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Isn't Singer doing like fifty other films anyway?

    by jimmy rabbitte by the time he's ready to do another Superman, Routh will be old and grey...<p> ...not to mention the fact that no script can even be written anyway...

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:21 p.m. CST

    I heard Singer was gone too...

    by dragon of sorcerer

    ...which would be a shame. I thought Routh was a serviceable Superman, but not excellent... they could probably find someone better. I feel that Singer, however, was just getting warmed up and would have delivered a really great sequel like he did with X2. Hopefully the studio will take a deep breath and give Singer another chance with this (and maybe a few Superman graphic novels).

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Once again this site hates everything

    by skywalkerfamily

    But loves shit like X 3 and Alien 3.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:22 p.m. CST


    by ballyhoo

    Fuck the idiots that act like Superman Returns sucked. I personally don't have any problems with it, in fact I love it, but the people who do dislike it go way overboard. Fuck WB for throwing way too much cash at SR to begin with, and then freaking out when they didn't get it back. Fuck WB again for not seeing that the one and only thing that most everybody seems to agree is that Routh was perfectly cast. Fuck fate now that it seems I won't see a sequel to SR and actually see where the story would go. Fuck fuck fuck.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:22 p.m. CST


    by tranpkp1

    1. AICN was slow on this one? 2. Routh was NOT the problem w/ this movie but almost everything else was. 3. Spacey and Routh are terrifically cast. The rest weren't. Shoulda been more to the versions in the DCAU in Superman TAS/Justice League Unlimited. Between Superman 1-IV and SR, I feel like I've seen the same GD movie 5x.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:23 p.m. CST

    I'm sorry...

    by Massage...Bored

    ...but didn't Supes Returns make it's moey back and then some? Isn't that a successful picture because sooooo many do not end up making their money back? Why does every reviewer say it was a monumental failure when it really wasn't? I'm really getting sick of reading a new update on the Man of Steel and having to sit through a paragraph of cheap digs on Returns. it wasn't fucking Ishtar!

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:23 p.m. CST

    This is both good news and bad news....

    by Playkins

    BAD because I thought Routh was GREAT as Superman. GOOD because it might mean we'll get an older, wiser-looking cast in general for the sequel. Just so long as Kate Bosworth isn't back as Lois. Bleeeechhh! Worst casting ever.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:24 p.m. CST

    reboot the entire thing like The Hulk

    by wash

    SR was horrible, and this is coming from someone who like every other Singer film in existence.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:24 p.m. CST

    No Routh, no Supes

    by aboriginal

    It's like Marvel trying to reboot the HULK. WTF? The fuck up isn't in the choice of the actor or the director, but in not resolving a script that satisfies both the popcorn munchers and the hardcore fans. Lucas still has it right that whatever you do you're not pleasing everyone and screw it and make what the fuck you want. Gee, w/o a dog of a flick what would ya'll have to bitch and moan about?

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:24 p.m. CST

    SR wasn't great


    But Routh worked well with the material he was given.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:24 p.m. CST

    Superman sucked, but Routh didnt.

    by BMacSmith

    He channeled Reeve perfectly. A proper SUperman movie would probably take a gigantic budget, and it won't get one. shame.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:24 p.m. CST

    Routh was good, the movie sucked BALLS!!

    by TallBoy66

    Yeah, that flick was horrible, too bad about Routh, though, he showed promise. When he wasn't peeping or catching stuff, that is.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:27 p.m. CST



    Is this another case of the Superman Curse???????

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Routh was the best thing in SUPERMAN LIFTS THINGS.

    by MaxTheSilent

    Because Kate Bosworth was woeful as Lois Lane and Kevin Spacey didn't look like he knew where he was half the time. Who spends $300 million dollars on an action-less superhero movie? Maybe Lex Luthor should have been a Kryptonian after all.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:29 p.m. CST


    by BetaRayBill07

    This is a shame. First, the guy friggin' channeled Christopher Reeve- especially as Kent. Next, does anyone out there understand why Returns was like it was? Singer had to reintroduce Supes to another generation. Yes the film has its issues I get it. But......ugh Routh was the bright spot next to Spacey as Luthor. Kevin should hold out of the sequel in protest. This sucks.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Another case of ....

    by irrelevntelefant

    headupassitis<p> routh and spacey were great casting, but the script was very "chick flick"

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:35 p.m. CST

    haha ah yes good ole SUPERMAN LIFTS THINGS...

    by BMacSmith

    with a shard of kryptonite in his back. Very stupid.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:35 p.m. CST

    Routh was perfect

    by skywalkerfamily

    He acted great in the part, and he was one of the best things about that movie. The movie had a great cast, but the story kinda sucked.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Sad news if.....

    by Zerofun

    Its confirmed.. Routh was a great Reeves follow up .. better than that weasel from Hellboy they where saying was going to play supes in the JLA movie(not sure what the latest news on that is). Routh was good and superman returns was ok .. i think getting rid of singer and Routh is a mistake .. just look at how good X2 was after the original. I just think it would suck for Routh to get dumped given that this was his first big role and he did a good job .. he deserves another shot.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Routh was right for Singer's vision, but...

    by Gwai Lo

    He's not going to work in a film that isn't a Dick Donner circle jerk. I was really skeptical about him when he was first cast, I thought he was too young and not lantern-jawed enough. When Superman Returns finally came out I was suprised to find that he was one of the most successful things about the film. But I don't think Singer should be allowed another shot at Superman because he clearly doesn't understand the character, and if it's not Singer's movie then I doubt Routh will work in whatever the new context is. I would say just scrap Superman Returns, forget trying to tie it in with Justice League (or American Heroes or whatever bullshit they're calling it now) and do a completely different angle. My suggestion? Make Superman old and jaded, make the people turn against him by declaring him some sort of fascist overlord, make Lex Luthor the president, and then present Supes with some big insurmountable foe to beat that will win the people back. I would suggest Doomsday, but I don't want to see them get into the whole Death and Return of Superman debacle.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:37 p.m. CST

    by Omar B

    I really do hope this is a rumor because he's an amazing Superman, I can't see anyone else stepping in and doing the part as well ... unless they bring Chris back. You've got supporters Brandon!

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:37 p.m. CST

    just admit..

    by soup74

    this is the smarest thing they couldve done. people want to enjoy a souperman movie, but singer painted himself into too many corners.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:38 p.m. CST


    by Shermdawg

    As much as I'd like to see the Smallvillecast (with a returning John Schneider) get a shot at a bigscreen spinoff (even with it being ultra-shitty right now), it's highly unlikely it'll happen. Maybe a straight to dvd flick, but other than that? I'm not holding my breath. <br><br> The way it's lookin', we'll probably get a solo flick of the JLA Supes before any Returns sequel or a Smallville film. Which is sad, because as much as I despised Returns, I loved the introduction of the "son" storyline, and if they don't get to continue that at some point it'll be a real shame. There's so many ways you could tackle that revelation. How could you possibly say "no" to a event that has more potential than anything in the properties history? <br><br> I'm not flatout against any of the directions WB has took (after seeing Fox's efforts, it could be worse), but I am a little disappointed that they can't seem to make up their minds on what to do with it. A little retconning (and actual support) here and there would fix Smallville. A little cast tinkering (Lois, White) and having Singer on a tighter leash would fix any Returns sequel (Please, no more odes to Donner and Star Trek, it's getting old.). But Warner Bros., from my perspective, has just throws up their arms whenever an attempt to relaunch the franchise gets some bad word of mouth and are to eager to take the time to go another direction than correct past mistakes. (I kinda wish Fox was like that with X-men though.)

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:39 p.m. CST


    by soup74

    why did i type that? i wasnt even making a joke.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:41 p.m. CST

    I don't buy the whole

    by Gwai Lo

    "reintroducing Supes to a younger generation" thing. Who doesn't know who Superman is? 3 year olds know who he is. Do you know any three your olds that would sit still through Superman Returns? It would have been a better idea for them to actually re-introduce Superman, rather than catering to a decades old fanbase that probably doesn't care how much Routh looks like Reeve. Either do it Begins style and reboot the whole thing from scratch, or just show us something different than what we've seen before while keeping the basic motifs and characters intact. Continuing where Superman II kind of left off was a bad idea, can you imagine if Christopher Nolan had tried to make a sequel to Batman Returns?

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Kinda sad

    by beetlegeuse

    cuz Justice League will be twice as bad as Superman Returns

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:42 p.m. CST

    fucking retarded

    by Judge Briggs

    Good going Warner's... make him the scapegoat to a movie that did just fine... fucking re-re-s... almost very Fox of them!

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:43 p.m. CST

    Routh was the only good thing in Superman.

    by ganymede3010

    Eventhough I adore Kevin Spacey he is no Gene Hackman. Routh was the only source of light in this 200 minute borefest!

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Weren't they going to cast Rupert Evans as Supes in JLA?

    by Gwai Lo

    He's not even six feet tall, and he played the milktoast loser in Hellboy. Good call, WB.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Gwai Lo

    by Zerofun

    Having doomsday in a superman movie will lower it to the level of AVP-R IMO.. A mindless beast with allot of strength doesn't make for a good epic story.. or at least it would be hard. And we dont want to go the way of Spiderman-3 and batman and robin with the multiple baddies. I think there has to be better bad guys in supes rogue gallery. maybe brainaic..dark sied.. i wish they could do Zod .. that would be a sick remake .. hes one of the best bad guys because he has the brains and the brawn to back it up.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:46 p.m. CST


    by Series7

    Nic Cage Nic Cage Nic Cage!!!!!!! OH please say it is going to happen!!!!!!!!!!

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Am I the only one who LIKED Superman Returns?

    by TheSeeker7

    Granted I didn't absolutely love it (then again few films I do) but I've never understood all the hatred for it, especially seeing as we got a competent director on it that we wanted, and that they didn't wind up handing over the keys to someone like McG. Yea it had some flaws but I felt it was enjoyable.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Routh was a such a good Supes

    by ZO

    that hes been in absolutely nothing since and doesn't even get callbacks for any A list role. Anyone else find that suspect?

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:48 p.m. CST

    "Nolan had tried to make a sequel to Batman Returns"

    by Shermdawg

    That's exactly what he should have done in terms of the look. The DC films are assbackwards. Supes should be a fantasy character in a realistic world, Bats should be just the opposite.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Routh was perfect.

    by Bellock

    And the film was great. Didn't it earned more money than "Batman Begins" ? So what's the problem ? Does Warner wants to come back to Catwoman's age ? That would be a shame. Let's hope it's just a stupid rumor and Singer and Routh will be back.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:50 p.m. CST


    by Gwai Lo

    I just brought up Doomsday as an example as a formidable foe that can actually give Supes a run for his money, but the other ones you mentioned do as well. Bottom line, Supes has to actually fight someone in the next movie. Lex should always be a presence, but whether its General Zod or Brainiac Superman needs someone with actual powers to go up against. Otherwise, you get "Superman Lifts Things" as others have mentioned. The epic story shouldn't come solely from the presence of the villain, I think the other tentative plot points I brought up would provide enough dramatic tension.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:50 p.m. CST

    The more I think about it, the kids will LOVE the Justice League

    by ganymede3010

    Us grown folk will hate it. But the teenagers will make it a sucsess. What sad day that will be.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Mr Saxon

    by Shermdawg

    Singer DID NOT "let X-3 turn into the pile of shit". He was driven away from that project.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:53 p.m. CST

    The original report on Variety also claims "The Dark Knight" wil

    by Hammer2Fall

    I'm calling bullshit on the whole thing based solely on that.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:54 p.m. CST

    ...will be rated PG.

    by Hammer2Fall

    Fucking subject line cutoff.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:55 p.m. CST

    They might have meant PG13

    by Gwai Lo

    Which is what Batman Begins was rated.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Routh is the Klinton Spilsbury of the 2st Century

    by Uncapie

    And you know it!

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:56 p.m. CST

    With all the news & non news the DC flicks have...

    by Shermdawg

    ...been getting, when is Marvel (specifically the Paramount flicks) gonna throw us a bone? Isn't it about time we get a EW publicity shot of the Hulk model?

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 9:58 p.m. CST

    I'm beginning to doubt the Incredible Hulk will even make

    by Gwai Lo

    its release date. Isn't the Hulk like... a complicated CG character? They're still filming that badboy and it's due out around the same time as the Dark Knight, which doesn't have nearly as much post production work to complete. I'm saying that based on the fact that Nolan uses CG sparingly

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10 p.m. CST

    JLA is going to be _______

    by Zerofun

    L A M E. Is going to be Smallville with more heros. It will make money... and it will most likely suck. you cant have that many great hero's in a movie unless the movie is 4 hours long. this movie will run 90mins for the A.D.D youth. Why the hell is the director from HAPPY FEET doing it unless they want to aim it at a young audience ? I want more gladiator style hero movies .. Batman begins touched on it, they tried with superman returns, and hulk which i think both where ok but could have been better .. why cant we get more quality like that .. SR and Hulk may have been boring .. but ill watch them 10 times before i watch ghost rider or fantastic four. i hate to say it but for some reason i judge a movie by its run time .. the further under 2 hours a movie is the more it sucks. i usually wont see a movie under 90 minutes.. seriously .. look at your favroite movies and there run times .. there is a trend .. for me anyway.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10 p.m. CST

    Routh needs to come back!

    by Kirbymanly

    He was definately the best thing about that film (as well as the plane sequence)

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10 p.m. CST

    Welling will be the new Supes...

    by Philvis

    With the Smallville season ending at episode 15 and Kristin Kreuk already leaving to do that Streetfighter movie, that is the greenlight for Welling. Word on the street was that that WB really wanted him, but there was a scheduling issue and possibly something to do with Gough and Miller holding things up. The casting announcement delay is possibly due to WB waiting for Welling to be freed up and the writers strike seems to have done that. I would definitely put my money on Welling taking the helm now and that is a good thing. Of all the names mentioned as possible JLA Superman, name me one that made any sense at all other than Welling. No one else came even close to fitting the bill. I feel bad for Routh because Singer signed his death warrant with that 2 hour homage to Donner's Superman. He should have started from scratch and made it original instead of a Christopher Reeve tribute film.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Welling sucks.

    by Zerofun

    I liked him at first .. but Routh is a better actor and the writing on smallville has made welling in to a pansy of a superman.. hes a knob.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Bring Routh back

    by kafka07

    Singer sucks. Welling sucks. But Routh isn't so bad.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Can we all agree now that "Returns" was a failure?

    by uss cygnus

    Singer...go back to "X-Men". Please. "Hello, Moira. Charles?" DEMANDS resolution.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:06 p.m. CST

    That movie will be Blu-Ray Exclusive

    by dtpena

    The war is over!

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Hey, if WB wants MELTING OWL, I'm all for it.

    by Shermdawg

    But, they're gonna need to retcon out the wahzoo to make that happen.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Routh a better actor?

    by Philvis

    I am sorry, but I didn't hate SR. I also didn't think it was great. I think a great opportunity was blown and it went from potentially being a blockbuster to something of an average film. I really can't see how you can say Routh is a better actor than Welling. Routh didn't have much acting to do in SR. I think he was beat into submission to mimic Christopher Reeve, so I cannot call his performance great acting. It was merely a great impersonation. He wasn't given the opportunity to truly act in that film. I am not saying Welling can command a Oscar worthy movie, but his acting has dramatically improved the past couple seasons of Smallville. He has been exuding Superman on that show for over a season now. I think Welling would bring more to the table than bringing in anyone else. He knows the character better than anyone at this point. Sure he may get typecast, but Welling can't eat from making The Fog and Cheaper By the Dozen movies his whole life.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:12 p.m. CST

    in a better world (but not perfect)

    by future help

    Singer would of directed X3 and Wolfgang Peterson would of directed Supes.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:14 p.m. CST

    Variety was reporting both Singer and Routh were Gone

    by MMacKK

    And what a fucking poor decision.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:14 p.m. CST

    uss cygnus

    by Shermdawg

    Nah, IF he does go back, which I doubt he would for various reasons, including the fact that Fox doesn't need him (as seen with X3's gross), he should pull another Superman Returns and make that proposed X3-X4 doubleshot.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:15 p.m. CST


    by MMacKK

    Good news on the update!

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:18 p.m. CST

    They gotta bring UNSOCIABLE HAMMER along as well as...

    by Shermdawg

    Glover, Mack, and Schneider. It wouldn't be right that the people that carried the show all these years get the shaft.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:27 p.m. CST

    Why the World Doesn’t Need Superman

    by Gorgomel

    because SR sucks!

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:28 p.m. CST


    by Mullah Omar

    Routh was good as Superman and I don't blame him at all for the rest of the film - which I thought was mediocre at best. If anything, the studio should have fired Singer and kept Routh; the buck stopped with Singer, not Routh. I wish Routh the best of luck - and I wish Singer would get back to making better films.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Oh, well how about that...

    by Mullah Omar

    The story has now been updated and it turns out our chains were yanked.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:31 p.m. CST

    We'll see Routh again.

    by Shermdawg

    Chances are he'll be in the Warcraft flick at some capacity.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:32 p.m. CST


    by CeejayNightwing

    Singers SR was both closure and reintroduction to a Superman for today's audience even though the film lacked enough major action spectacle. Brandon Routh was simply the best Suprman ever to fill the role, i grew up in the 70 with everyone proclaiming Chris Reeve as fantastic but he was cheesy as hell and other than his great face, he was a cornball superman with half a physique. Same goes for Margot Kidder as Lois Lane, she was goofy, bow-legged and not exactly pretty to look at. In terms of doing what Lois Lane was supposed to do, NONE OF THE BIG SCREEN LOIS LANES EVER DID THAT, no real investigative reporting into the villan's plans or unveiling his plots etc, getting captured and having Supes come to save her - EXCEPT Kate Bosworth, so diss her all you want but she actually performed the only decent Lois Lane character onscreen without looking like an anorexic bunny rabbit in a skirt! I say kick Singer off the project but keep Brandon he was superb! Kate was great but i'd rather they recast with an actress who doesn't have to dye her hair just to be a brunette. Give the writing duties for the next Superman film to people who know what they are doing like Paul Dini or Rich Fogel, and give directing duties to someone like Michael Bay who's no nonsense, quick at completeing shoots and likes to deliver spectacle with an extra bang. Yes, Bay directs like he's making a Coke commercial but this is Superman, not Citizen Kane! Whatever happens, KEEP BRANDON ROUTH, he's a godsend, the man got his body language perfectamundo when performing the flying scenes, way better than the cheesy poses of Chris Reeve and more true to the character in the comic. Singers excellent homage to the Richard Donners Superman is done with and its time to move on, so now give Brandon Routh a chance to progress the character past that particular hiccup WB! (and kill the son of Superman in the next movie, just don't pretend it all never happened like they did with ang Lees Hulk, that's just juvenile)

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Well fudge.

    by Shermdawg

    Thanks for killing that one glimmer of hope Mori.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Thank God I created an account just to react to this

    by SachMan

    Good personally I liked Returns sure it was not amasing but it had a lot of ground to lay if it were continuing of the original Donner movies. Fact is you know Singer will bring out the awsomness in the next outting just look at his X men films, and even if he does not return then whoever they get can just focus on making a Great action pact movie, Fact is Routh is the BEST chioce and they should Stick by him, regarless of the director, JLA thou sounds like the biggest TURD waiting to happen but hey, I just hate it when they replace actors in big movie franchies for no reason (HULK) when all they really had to do was make a better sequal rather than forget the whole thing happened, I meanif your gonna forget the shit then at least wait a few years or a decade so audience can stomach another reicarnation off HULK Sups whatever. Hell these superhero movies are getting way too overblown these days any

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:37 p.m. CST


    by The Scarlet Claw

    The cast of Smallville SHOULD have been given the Supes franchise. Routh playing Reeves is just embarrasing. Wellig's Clark has dignity and depth, Lex is spot on, and the women in Supes life are perfect. Not only that, but Wellig playing Supes in a Batman teamup would be perfect if the perfect Dark Knight were cast as an older, wiser, darker and nastier foil. There has only ever been one Batman for me, and before you say nay nay, watch the film where this guy plays a chef traveling on a train with his daughter/neice, (I forget which). It's a GREAT Batman movie, without Batman. Steven Segal. There...I said it. The jawline, the delivery, the physical precense and badd assary. Damned if he ain't Miller's Batman.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:38 p.m. CST

    How about asking that "very high-ranking mole"...

    by Shermdawg

    ...if Bosworth is coming back. We need Anne Hathaway as Lois Lane, regardless as to who is playing Supes.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Meh 2...The Re-mehing

    by The Scarlet Claw

    And furthermore, Superman Returns was an insult.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:39 p.m. CST

    I also liked Routh

    by Eaglet1138

    The only problem with SR was the ending, it needed to be something bigger. But I'd love to see a sequel, even with the same team.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:46 p.m. CST

    Supermans II and III were the insults

    by skywalkerfamily

    Cheesy shitty sequels. IV also sucked.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Hackman vs. Spacey

    by DougMcKenzie

    Hackman's Luthor was arrogant, boastful, smiling, opportunistic, and distrustful (and had low expectations) of others. Spacey's was cold, sociopathic, managerial, calculating, and enterprising. While both would reach the same plan; Hackman's would get it right away, miss most of the flaws thinking it was genius, and involve as little people as possible; Spacey's would work it out over time, add redundancy and back-uos, then set his henchmen in motion only to have the human factor screw it up. To illustrate the opening scene, when Spacey said "The rest is mine" coldly looking away and leaving, Hackman would say it smiling and tell the old ladies family to leave "His" property. Spacey's might have worked better with less of a dragging story, but it just add more to the dullness and lack of charisma to the movie.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Routh wasn't the problem with SR

    by Funketeer

    Singer was.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 10:58 p.m. CST


    by Mose Schrute

    Isn't this the site that continued to insist J.J. Abrams was off the STAR TREK movie -- even after J.J. repeatedly confirmed to Harry that Latino Review's "scoop" was a load of shit? If so, please don't waste any more of our time with more links to Latino Review's embarrassing "exclusives."

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 11:08 p.m. CST

    A great "What If" topic

    by california_mtz

    What if Singer never left X3 to go make Superman? Then, X3 would have been good and Superman would have been better or at least not have been resigned to limbo status after $300 Million was spent on it. Now, the X franchise and the Superman franchise are both tainted. Sigh, if only someone could go back in time like the ghost of Christmas future and alert Singer to the travesty of his deciding to leave X3 for Supes...

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 11:12 p.m. CST

    Y'know, that doesn't make any sense at all.

    by Shermdawg

    "Right now, Routh is still Warner's choice to return if they make another stand-alone SUPERMAN film." <br><br> If Justice League is as big a hit as they hope it will be, and given the fact that there's already spinoff flicks in the works. Why would they continue Returns? The next stand alone Supes flick would most certainly star the JLA actor. <br><br> Sure they say Routh is still in NOW, but I'm wiling to bet they'll drop him if his thing's successful.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 11:27 p.m. CST

    After all these talkback posts.....

    by wackybantha

    ....the story is bogus!!! Hilarious!!!

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Welling is the best

    by messi

    With Smallville heading more into Superman direction, Welling is playing more 'Superman' and even if it's little, he completely nails it and you believe it. When he saved that kid at the damn, it was just a nod but man was it perfect. And when he confronts Bizarro knowing he is beyond his limits, also perfect. The thing with Welling is that the hard part of the character is a believable Clark Kent, a post crisis one at least and that one he comepletly nails, he makes him a realistic person that isn't campy and boy scout or a 'square'. He is just a decent human being with a heart of gold, an everyman with neutral tastes in everything(apolitical, doesn't like music or movies) who just does the right thing. Season 7 has especially shown this with Clark. He is the post crisis Clark Kent and if he nails that, being the public heroic persona of Supes shouldn't be too hard.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 11:39 p.m. CST

    FACT: Justice League without Routh and Bale will suck!

    by J-Dizzle

    You know its true, especially if Bale isn't involved.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 11:40 p.m. CST

    but no Welling for this horseshit

    by messi

    fuck that, no association with this teen titans movie.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 11:48 p.m. CST

    Rosenbaum's Luthor is God

    by messi

    comepletly annihilates Hackman and Spacey's pathetic jokes. A completely realistic Villain who becomes evil over a long time, not a light switch like the comics. Fascinating portrayal, has put Luthor up there with Dr Doom.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 11:54 p.m. CST

    It was the best news for the 70th Anniversary of Supes.

    by hank henshaw

    Bryan Singer simply doesn't get what Superman is about (besides lifting stuff). The next Superman movie should be based on the slightly less flawless "Byrne version" of the character. A Superman movie inspired by another Superman movie that was inspired in the Silver Age Superman, in this day and age, was a bad idea. LexCorp CEO Lex Luthor > Petty criminal Luthor. I'm still scratching my head trying to figure out who thought that Supes having a kid was a great idea to have in film.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 11:56 p.m. CST

    Rosenbaum's Luthor is God, but...

    by Shermdawg

    ...his scenes with Lana over the past two seasons have been awful.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 12:10 a.m. CST

    The only bad thing about SR was...

    by cornponious

    that they used the same plot as in the original movie. Same old thing. Lex Luthor wants real estate, and he tries to kill Superman with kryptonite. And there are missles. Boring.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 12:29 a.m. CST

    Routh Is Dry. But Superman For Sure

    by Frodo T. Baggins

    Not to mention a good person. And I qoute "As long as they keep making Superman movies. I will be in them" That touched me because. Fuck. Why wouldnt Tobey Maguire or any of the X-men be so devoted? Hes got character.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 12:42 a.m. CST

    Steven Seagal for Batman!?!

    by otm shank

    Inspired casting Scarlet Claw. I can see him now with his belly hanging over his utility belt. In one thrilling white knuckle scene we could watch him split his tights at the ass when he attemps to crawl into the batmobile. I LOVE IT!!

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 12:44 a.m. CST

    I'm sick of "High Ranking Moles"

    by Philvis

    Ask your mole what the hell is up with the JLA cast. If he/she can't answer that, I know they are full of it talking about how they know who is doing what for a sequel/standalone film that doesn't even have a script or anything yet.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 12:48 a.m. CST

    Steven Seagal's Batman...

    by Philvis

    His Robin would definitely have to be a rapper with a foul attitude.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 12:53 a.m. CST

    Routh's Acting

    by darkkelt

    if you look at the behind the scenes on the hd dvd or dvd of superman returns you can see brandon routh can most certainly act and has real presence when he moves. the problem was the script and what he was asked to do and the way he was shot. having him be still and having the camera always moving around him like he was a god sucked the humanity and soul out of the film. in the original it was who are you. I'm a friend. in this film it was all about how jesus/alien/god like he was. it was possible to create conflict without this. riffing off the original designs and using marlon brando was a great idea. redoing the plot from the original was a bad one. nothing against kate bosworth but she was wrong for that part. young actresses in hollywood right now seem to be lipgloss and very little else. she was too young and just didn't have the experience or chops to play that character. better casting would have been maggie gylanhall. I'd believe she was a hard as nails reporter with a kid. even the kid stuff could have worked if handled right and could definitely be fixed in a sequel to give it emotional context thats not forced or sprung on people letting louise mingenbach fuck up the colors in the suit was a terrible idea and removing the symbol from the cape was too. it made us all smile to see that symbol large as life whether we saw superman from the front or back. I really hope warners retain the good things that were in the film and fix the things that were cocked up like the suit and the plot and the miscasting. bryan singer is a good director. based on usual suspects he's a great director. its just unfortunate his first big fuckup had to be with a character we all love so much I do hope warners don't make the mistake of just throwing the whole idea out and going back to the crappy ideas they wouldn't greenlight for 10 years. we need a sequel. we need one that repairs the fuck ups , casts brandon, shoots him the right way. recasts the parts of lois lane gets the right story with the right mood , the original music with the right colors. they weren't afraid to recast the katie holmes part , they shouldn't be afraid to recast lois. if I was to describe SR it would be muddy and muted in every way. something superman should never be. he should have texture sure. be he needs to be bold and bright

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 12:54 a.m. CST

    I'm with the majority

    by Varakor

    In that SR was really bad. Routh and Spacey were great though. But warner should consider a big screen smallville movie where Welling finally gets the chance to wear the cape. Maybe toss in an appearance by Bruce Wayne (it can be his return to Gotham and passing through smallville), easiest 100 plus mil weekend ever made. That way WB can end the SR line and start with something fresh. Maybe a new trilogy based around smallville series. I think it can work.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 1:01 a.m. CST

    I want another Superman movie more than Batman

    by futureman3000

    I want Superman Returns 2.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 1:30 a.m. CST

    Only thing wrong with SR was...

    by onephatnelly

    Kevin Spacey. Don't get me wrong, I adore KS but thought he was all wrong for Lex Luthor. There was no humour and charm in his portrayal IMHO. He phoned his performance in. Brandon Routh, however, was great casting and the movie wasn't as bad as some of the fanboys make out. I'd definitely want to see Man of Steel made, but without Spacey.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 1:31 a.m. CST

    Superman Returns 2 ... the shithole from whence it came

    by Live.

    Anyone who wasn't brain dead knew the sequel wasn't happening.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 1:35 a.m. CST

    Why wasn't Parker Posey cast as Lois Lane?

    by Live.

    Because Singer is a douche, who cared more about respecting Donner than respecting Superman's characters.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 1:44 a.m. CST

    RIP waxy Robo-Routh

    by Live.

    you were a terrible actor and a worse Superman, but at least you had the generic handsomeness of a mall mannequin.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 1:46 a.m. CST

    Just be thankful

    by onephatnelly

    ... that Brett Ratner didn't direct this. It would have sucked balls much worse than any effort by Singer.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 2:15 a.m. CST

    Brad Bird's Superman

    by Live.

    would please children and adults. It could keep the legacy alive for the next generation. If we want Superman to be vital and thriving into the far future, kids today need to learn to love him. Right now he is "old, tired, and boring" to them. Kids wear their Spiderman pajamas to bed, dreaming of Captain Jack battling Batman on the high seas. To them, Superman is just a character for old folks wrapped in nostalgia. That's just sad. There is no reason today's kids shouldn't love Superman as much as their parents and grand-parents. <p> The bone structure of a great character is there. He just needs a great storytelling director and charismatic actor to flesh him out.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 2:36 a.m. CST

    muscle suit wearing imposter

    by Prossor

    can't even go through a rigorous bodybuilding routine like Reeve did. i guess they're only somewhat into the roles as much these days.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 2:57 a.m. CST

    I thought Routh was awesome.


    And yes, JL with Bale and Routh would have been sweet. Marvel sounds like they have the right idea with Avengers

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 3:05 a.m. CST


    by Kirbymanly

    Regardless of what you think of "Superman Returns"... I think we're almost all in agreement that Routh is a pretty damn good Superman/Clark Kent, given what he had to work with. We've done it before and let's do it again... Raise your voice and to let them know that Routh needs another shot at this!

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 3:28 a.m. CST


    by drew mcweeny

    They are completely different franchises, and the decision makers on each are different groups of people. They are on different development tracks, and I am only telling you that I am confident... MAN OF STEEL is not a dead issue and Routh is definitely in the picture at the moment.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 4:12 a.m. CST

    glad he wasn't replaced by sum1 YOUNGER, but still would like ca

    by ironic_name

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 4:14 a.m. CST


    by ironic_name

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 4:16 a.m. CST

    brad bird sucks dick for loose change

    by ironic_name

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 4:23 a.m. CST


    by messi

    you mean a damn good christopher reeve impersonater. That was silver age bullshit. I hate the bumbling Clark. Welling's Clark is how it should be, one a few years down the track since he's a few years from Superman, but the idea is right.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 4:27 a.m. CST

    Queefer Bukkake

    by messi

    You know fuck all about Superman, Welling's Clark is a younger version of a post crisis Clark Kent. Jeph Loeb, Mark Millar and Bryan Hitch also agree. Suck a dick. Plus physically he is exactly like Superman.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 4:58 a.m. CST

    Welling's Clark "a few years from Superman"?

    by Sledge Hammer

    Welling is fucking 30 for Christ sakes, if he's still got a few years to go then he'll be retired by the time he wears a fucking cape. "oldest...Superboy...ever"

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 5:06 a.m. CST

    Superman Returns 2: Super kids united

    by Pipple

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 5:15 a.m. CST

    Superman Returns 2 .. angsting like a teenage emo girl

    by Live.

    all waxy Routh needed was lots of black eyeliner to complete the feel. Even full on goth girl was beyond achieving for this limp dickless take on Superman.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 5:19 a.m. CST

    Why are people reacting to Variety?

    by the ageless stranger

    It doesn't actually SAY anything we didn't already know regarding Routh; "The next Superman we will see on the big screen will not be Brandon Routh, but a younger Superman among a cast of youthful superheroes in The Justice League." The NEXT Superman. It doesn't say anything about Routh definitely not being back for a stand-alone Superman film, it just says Singer won't be. (and I'm not believing that yet either) And we already knew that the JL film would be before the next Superman anyway, so what have they told us? Variety has done this before, where they post a story full of vague references, and the rest of the internet jumps on it, calling it fact. Until I hear something more reliable than a collaboration between Variety and a Latino Review mole, I'm not buying it.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 6:03 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    C'mon, AICN, let him back in! It's not like you banned him or anything. Fix his account! Cloverfield is almost upon us and we need the Cthulhu dance!

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 7:31 a.m. CST

    Superman Returns

    by kwisatzhaderach

    one of the worst films i've ever seen in my life. Totally lifeless. Routh's not to blame though. Singer is.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 8:01 a.m. CST

    Supermman Returns as in "Redux"

    by Stalkeye

    Singer should have completed the XMen trilogy, and done us all a favor instead of having Ratner helm X(lax) 3.<p> Another reason to hate on SR.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 8:03 a.m. CST

    Why cast Routh?

    by Dr Gregory House

    Lexington Steele IS the obvious choice.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 8:39 a.m. CST

    will there even be a superman sequel?

    by BMacSmith

    in ten years?

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 9:01 a.m. CST

    The real problem


    Why don't we ever get to see superman's rogue's gallery in these movies? I love superman and love routh was great, but take a lesson from batman. His villians make him cool. Give us parasite! Hell, give us doomsday for one movie and the aftermath of supes' death for the next movie. Or go batman returns and focus the film on the villians. I think we've had enough of luthor.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 9:15 a.m. CST

    glad theyre making JLA as elseworld

    by pipergates

    the DC universe is rich enough to be handled in a variety of different styles. glad they realize Routh wasn't the problem too.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Singer was the problem, not the actors...

    by Freefinger

    Even if I totally disliked the Lois Lane choice I still feel that Kate would've been an idiot to pass this opportunity when it was made to her. <p>Some could also argue that she should've read the script before signing because it was clearly on paper that Lane would become the worst character to have ever grace the screens since she became a horrible mother and is ready to dump a man that helped her with her kid knowing full well that he was not the father, but that would be another post.<p>Routh and Spacey for me were very good choices, spacey for the acting talent and Routh for the look(It'll be determined if he does have any acting skills in the next movie since SR had no actual lines or story for the main character).<p>I'll blame Singer totally for this mess, him and his two idiots screenwriters. They tore the shit out of every character. <p>1) Jimmy: Even though they did a perfect replica of the 50's Jimmy, this is the new millennia so a more up to date and less "Oh gosh it's Clark!" character would've given the character some integrity, some reality and would not have looked so freaking ridiculously gayish. Look at what they did on Smallville, yes they made the younger guy the same age as the rest but he as more substance than a banana peel.<p>2) Perry: WTF!!! This is the guy who tears hole in the floor for a news story; in this one all he does is stand there and do nothing, then walks out of the building to see Superman grab the damn globe... The guy never even yells to his reporters to get the story all he does is look at them and says "Well.. What are you waiting for, go out there.." In a calm matter, WTF!!! That isn't Perry..<p>3) Lane: Way too much issues for this one to even mention other than deadbeat mother who'll whore herself at Superman the first time she sees him over a good guy who helped her build a 20 million dollar house on a reporter's and helicopter pilot salaries... I'm guessing Singer didn't do his research on salaries.<p>4) Luthor: actually the only character that did not go thru a major change, so kinda good for that, but! If you're doing anew Superman movie, why not update the Main villain to the same status he has now in the comics? Make it that he got out of prison as they said, then went back to stealing and all that stuff and so that he wouldn’t get caught he built/stole an empire named/renamed it Luthor Corp and is seen by the public as one inmate that changed his ways so they now like him because he projects that people can change, yet he still does all of this evil crap in the background... Nope, they go with the story that makes him a billionaire by stealing a dying woman's money when we all know that any rich as hell family would've counter the testament and won since she signed it without proper legal representation and that the signature was done on her last breath which would make her unable to have done an objective choice. I guess when you get 12 year old retards to write your story you sort of miss those legal technicalities.<p>5) Superman/Clark: I'm still amazed that they were even part of this movie. Heck a maximum of 10 lines I think for the major character? Gotta be a record for a speaking lead role! He did nothing with this one; the damn guy returns from his dead world, he dresses back up as Clark and goes back to the old job, C'mon! Even Supe's gotta be depressed and you just can't just jump right back in like that. All the character does is stands on the farm, throws a baseball, then stands in the Planet building and looks like an idiot, goes for a beer with jimmy and whistles for a cab. Superman he saves a plane that is about to crash on the same day he came back (Wow talk about coincidence, if I inspected this one the first one I would talk to is the man himself "Explain to me why you come back and suddenly everything goes crazy, you must be behind all of this!"), then he flies around for a while saving the world again, then tries to mess up a relationship between Lois and White, peeps on them, become mad when he sees someone went into his crib but didn't clean up after MTV, goes to save the deadbeat mom who almost kills her son and the only man with some dignity in this movie... hell... this Superman his a disgrace to the legend they built.<p>6) that damn Kitty character: why.. why give Luthor another idiot girl? Make the character stronger give her an IQ that would be more realistic, not a challenger to a potato skin... <p>7) Kal Penn... Why even give the guy a role when you cut off everything and make him another idiot around Luthor... He's Indian at least make him do something that looks like he's using that brain!<p>All of this mess was created by Singer, so if he's off the next one then that would also take care of the double mint twin retards that helped him with this shitty movie, so just that would make the next movie better than Gigli which would mean profit potential for WB. Now let's get a real film director on the next one, get Kevin Smith for Christ’s sake, hell give it to one of the head writers at DC Comics at least the character wouldn’t be ripped to shreds and we could do a whole "Batman Begins" theme where all the other films never existed, Singer wanted to get the fans to forget Superman 3 and so on by making his movie right after Supe's 2, but all he actually did was make us want to forget his botched attempt...

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Superman was fine


    The script had very nice superman moments.<p>But overall, wholeheartedly, the script SUCKED ASS!!!! First point being, Superman wanted the crystal, the small piece of his heritage back, he was pretty clear to Luthor about that. Then he never even bothered to look for it when Luthor dropped it?? Second, the kid.... I'm sorry but you're CLONING Superman. Now their are two Superman. Don't you see how this kills the strength of the character? Knowing that there is another out there (even if it is a child) like him? Superman should be the only one, at least for a movie that was a reboot in only the style of a continuation. It was still a reboot.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Spacey was good as Luthor, Routh was good as Superman



  • Jan. 5, 2008, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Glad to hear Routh is going to return.

    by rbatty024

    Superman Returns was a nice return to form for the beleaguered series, and even though it had a few minor problems, it was largely a well crafted and clever film. I for one am looking forward for both Routh and Singer to return to the series.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 11 a.m. CST

    So Now Who Directs?

    by Jazner

    Personally, I want to see Singer finish what he started. I liked SR, and moreover, X2 blew the doors off of the first X-Men. So Bryan is still my first choice. That said, I want a darker movie in SR2 featuring a new villain like Braniac. That said, put Ridley Scott directing and Jason Issacs as Dr. Fine. I'd see that movie.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Singer and the script where the main

    by veritasses

    problems with SR. Singer is a very good single scene director. He knows all the little things to include in a scene, he knows exactly how to shoot each and every one of them and how they're all going to fit together. If he had a better command of understanding how to take these scenes and build them around a strong, credible, fun hero's arc that rises up to a big finale he'd be gold. But he doesn't really understand the Hero's story as well as some other directors/story tellers so his films feel somewhat underwhelming... X, X2 and SR were 'ok' but weren't great, impressive films because the stories and the way he built up the stories on screen lacked cohesion and testosterone. They certainly were not what representative of what a superhero movie could or should be.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Brandon deserves to be Superman for as long as he wants.

    by riskebiz

    He was great as Kent/Superman. It is not his fault the film didn't perform to expectations. In fact, one of the only bright spots was him. They found their Superman ... they should stick with him. Stupidest thing they ever decided was not using him for JLA.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 11:47 a.m. CST

    routh was great!


    Routh was not the problem with superman returns. the movie was boring.slow paced and boring.lois and lex were totaly miscast(sorry you could tell that space did not take it seriously)and the plot was retarted.the costume sucked to(I heard the fashion designer say that she did not like all the primary colors,well thats fucken superman!get used to it!).routh however was perfect.I do not care if he sucked brian singers cock to get the part(he did)he was great.screw justice league.we all want a superman batman with routh and bale.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 11:52 a.m. CST

    A Valentine to a More Innocent Age

    by FlyingToupee

    SR was a very good, character driven film. It certainly had more heart than TRANSFORMERS, PIRATES III, SHREK III and all of Michael Bay's films combined. What it lacked was action, but that is something that can be remedied in a sequel. The idea that Superman and Lois can't have a kid are just juvenile fanboy rantings. Characters need to grow, a film with wall to wall battles and no plot might please the PS3/XBox generation, but it would ultimately be empty. We'll see the results of something like this firsthand when that trainwreck of a JLA movie is foisted on the public.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 11:56 a.m. CST

    I'd take Danny Devito over Welling.

    by FlyingToupee

    Supes to Lois: You lousy minx I should have had you spayed! You sent out all the signals, and I don't like you anymore! Supes then uses his superbreath to send Lois flying through space, where she finally lands on the moon and has a big fight with Nuclear Man.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 12:05 p.m. CST

    JLA smallville the movie would work


    cast routh as supes, erika duance(best lois ever!)as lois and rosenboum as lex(he is great!).loosely base it in the smallville universe and focus on the relationship between superman and batman(dark vs light)with the other jl members as the supporting cast.It would make millions.alas, the wb just does not get it.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 12:09 p.m. CST


    by DoctorWho?

    Moriarty mentioned this in a talkback here a day or two ago...said this is not the monster, AICN has been flooded with those pics and to please stop.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Routh needs a better movie, like Clooney as Batman

    by JDanielP

    In the end, it doesn't matter WHO is in the superhero suit...when the movie isn't quite what it needs to be. And I stick to my guns. Clooney could have been a great Bruce Wayne/Batman, under the right direction. He could have been fantastic, as I believe Routh can be. It's just a matter of capturing all the right elements on screen, you know?

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 12:29 p.m. CST

    That is, Routh and Clooney need better material.

    by JDanielP

    Sometimes, I need to be more clear. Sounds like I was slamming "SUPERMAN RETURNS", with my previous post-heading. It's not that I thought "SUPERMAN RETURNS" was horrible. I just didn't think it was that good. "BATMAN AND ROBIN" on the other hand, THAT is a horrible movie. But it was NOT George Clooney's fault.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Still think Routh is out...

    by Philvis

    I have nothing against the guy. Thought he did well enough, but it was 100% imitation of Christopher Reeves on a tribute movie. From what I have been reading around the way, Warner Brothers didn't want it known that Routh was out yet, so now you are going to have a misinformation campaign to combat the real news...something WB is good at lately. I fully expect to see Routh replaced by the JLA Supes if all goes well with that. If he isn't good for him...just pray for him that the next standalone Supes film doesnt go the direction of SR.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Superman Returns sucked

    by hallmitchell

    And I don't blame Routh at all. Remember the hype going into the film. Bryan Singer and his writing team were coming off X men 1 and 2. Kevin Spacey was signed. Yet the film sucked big time. Little action, too soap opera. A massive dissapointment. Bryan was too busy paying homage to Superman one and two. I think it's such a shame that the last three superman movies have been woeful. It will easily be another ten years until you see another superman movie.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 12:46 p.m. CST

    And what they should do.

    by hallmitchell

    Dust off the Kevin Smith. Superman script. Make it. And I blame Tim Burton for sabotaging the Kevin movie.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the update... but what about the Singer/out rumor?

    by Kirbymanly

    That was part of the original story as well

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 12:59 p.m. CST

    I thought Routh made an excellent Superman

    by odysseus

    They should use him again.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 1:03 p.m. CST

    The reboot idea is awful, whether it's Supes or Hulk.

    by rbatty024

    If you want another directions (i.e. more action, less thought) that's fine, but don't ditch the previous efforts. I wish they hadn't done a reboot on Ang Lee's Hulk. I for one loved the original. It was thoughtful and took the material seriously while acknowledging the pulp roots (pretty much what everyone was asking a superhero movie to do until they realized that meant less action). They could have easily started the film with Bruce Banner on the run in South America and made it into a more action oriented film without doing away with the first movie. Likewise, it would be a mistake to reboot the Superman franchise. Let Singer do a more action oriented Superman if you want, but don't ditch the first film. I actually like characterization and thoughtful metaphors about our world, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't mind an action filled Superman or Hulk so long as they didn't piss on the first film. You can be sure I'll be downloading the Hulk movie this summer.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Superman should be noble but a hardass!

    by Hotscot

    While I respect Brandon R and his efforts I felt he was too bland and lightweight. (Maybe that was the direction though.) And why oh why do many people feel that he should be channeling Chris Reeve? Lets move on...not back. Let's have different interpretations of Supes, not just the wide eyed hick/naive pretty boy from the country. If you haven't already you should check out the graphic novel Kingdom Come. That's the superman I want to see. A man not a kid. Real drama, real sense of danger, not just contrived scenes of catching and lifting things. And Luthor? What a joke in SR. Luthor is supposed to be a ruthless genius who squashes and kills any opponents who inconvenience him, not a comedy clown. (In fact Spacey should have played him like his character in Seven. Genius scary psycho.) I guess to me the Superman movies feel too juvenile when what I really want are the type of stories I read in the Superman comics today. If you read those you know what I mean.

  • but Rosenbaum as Lex owns. Let me clear something up for all you Smallville fanboys. If you shat a turd and ate it every day, eventually you would think that that turd was caviar. Smallville has good effects and Rosenbaum, everything else in it is turd. Welling is Superboy nothing else, he suffers from that well-known CW affliction - MTA-itis. Model-turned-actor - he is so wooden. Lana Lang's character is a simpering and deeply stupid character who still hasn't figured out Clark's identity. Durance - great rack but mistakes overacting for charisma. Oh and don't get my started on the yearly re-set button. The writing and dialogue are atrocious - that Justice League episode made me feel physically unwell. Smallville is basically Roswell meets Dawson's Creek plus a liberal bastardised sprinkling of the Superman myth. Thank God for the Luthors and Schneider - great performance. Rosenbaum is the closest to comicbook Lex we have ever had but even he sometimes cannot rise above the mediocre writing. Welling should never be Supes and I have no interest in Smallville the movie and I'll wager neither does the general public. I'm not sure Welling wants that either, risking being typecast for life. Keep Routh - he was great, new writers. Simple solution. Oh and kill this Justice League joke. The Styler has spoken.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Even for a character driven movie

    by veritasses

    SR was underwhelming. First of all, people don't go to big budget, iconic, summer release, super hero movies for a quiet "character driven" experience. But forgetting that, SR underperformed as a character driven piece as well. A good character driven movie needs much better dialog, character interactions, relationships, motivations, supporting sub plots etc. SR missed on all those marks. If it's supposed to be a character driven piece then everything needs to support that. All the emotional moments were also just rather flat. All the scenes depicting romance, longing, anguish even the comedic moments. And the acting for some of the key roles (namely Lois, Luthor, the kid) were weak. Clearly though Singer does have talent and SR wasn't a terrible movie.... it was just clearly not all that it could've/should've been.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 1:20 p.m. CST

    I've tried to watch Smallville several times, but...

    by rbatty024

    didn't make it through a full episode. I don't mind a little soap opera in my TV, but you have to first make me care about the characters. The acting is wooden and the dialogue is worse.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 1:30 p.m. CST

    PS. Superman Returns is a good film but....

    by JTStyler

    SR is a good film. Yes, it should have been great, yes it has flaws - needs more action etc. But Brandon Routh was great, plane sequence was fabulous and Spacey was rather good. What is more disturbing is that a lot of people in the geek community seem incapable of seeing thing in shades - things are always black or white. The movie is either Oscar-worthy or dogshit. It's quite sad. We flock to mindless movies like Transformers, Live Free or Die hard (which lacks any soul compared to the previous 3) we make excuses for soulless, company-driven dreck like Ghost Rider and Fantastic four: it's fun, it's for the kids - yadda, yadda yadda but along comes SR trying to tell an emotional grown-up story and we tear it a new one. I can forgive Ang Lee's Hulk - at least it didn't fail for a lack of ideas. You lot are the very reason why we had to suffer through FF 2... because you condoned FF1. Hope you're proud of yourselves. With any luck, Incredible Hulk will be full of action but devoid of any intelligence. We are very quick to turn on people - Bryan Singer is now the Antichrist after SR when after x1 and 2, he was a legend. And the homophobic abuse is frankly juvenile. Let's go back and retcon X2 - it's not really one of the greatest superhero movies of all time - it's dogshit really. Singer is a shit director - after all Usual Suspect is overrated. X3 was better than X2. Sam Raimi is now a know-nothing hack after Spiderman 3 and should be strung up. My fellow geeks, grow up.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 1:51 p.m. CST

    if nic cage plays supes....

    by irrelevntelefant

    exactly which color kryptonite give him male patern baldness?

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 2:01 p.m. CST

    He's the lead, he's the main problem

    by AlwaysThere

    He should be gone, even if it isn't already.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 2:47 p.m. CST

    looks too young

    by ZeroCorpse

    Not authoritarian. Looks like Superboy. Bleh.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 3:05 p.m. CST

    New Story/New Villans

    by Prefect Maximus

    Need new villans. Have a gang rob a bank. Supes swoops in too save the day. The gangs leader gets horrible disfigured. If you have to have Luthor in the movie he rebuilds the gangs leader into METALLO, who returns later in the movie to take on Supes. Have Mercy Graves, someone like Kate Beckingsale as Lex's kickass bodyguard. Or do a movie where Supes takes on Solomon Grundy in the beginning and Luthor experimenting on his own Superfreak creates Parasite. Just need new villans I say.....Oh yeah and have Bruce Wayne appear in Smallville as, wait for it, Bruce Wayne, he can clash with Lex in a big Power/Money deal like outbidding him for something like a government project or important real estate and sweeping Lois or Lana off their feet while in town and also assisting clark against Lex.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius? IN TROUBLE?

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    [dons cape] To the batmobile! Free Mr. Nice Gaius!!!

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Superman Returns Was Awesome

    by Colier Rannd

    Brandon Routh is Superman. The movie was about a billion times better than that snooze fest Christopher Nolan made (of course that could be several movies as he doesn't make any other kind). If they dump Singer and go with KungFu Superman you all get what you deserve, it's just a shame fans of SR will have to also pay for your idiocy.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Routh is the least of the worries.

    by mrfan

    How about getting a better script from new writers. If this is happening please excuse my being late to the game. Most of the blame of SR should be on the director. Get a new one also.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Nevehagin... you want in "non-gay"...

    by Kid Z

    ... But you wanna include that trannie-from-hell Ann Coulter? WTF?

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 4:35 p.m. CST

    That's right, 'Cholera!

    by DocPazuzu

    MNG needs us! The call must be heard! <p> Hate put him behind bars, but love is gonna bust him out! <p> In a totally non-gay way, of course...

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Since when did MNG get banned?

    by Turd Furgusen

    He's one of the few decent posters. First guy to reply to a question I had a long time ago when I first signed up. I hope they let him back.<p> I agree that Routh was good. He'd be better with a better script and plot

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Save our Superman!!

    by boyblue

    Smallville is fine if your fucking 12 and dont know any better. Welling will forever be the plank from Cheaper by the Dozen!! Superman Returns may have had it's faults, but I loved it, my kids loved it, fuck everyone I know in the real world loved it!! Routh, Singer et al all deserve a second crack at it since the first was a great stepping off point and we have been told the next would up the ante in all areas. Bring on the Man of Steel!!

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Scott Porter Superman in JLA

    by zooch

    The guy from Friday Night Lights. I think he's the last one who was rumored to be the favorate to play Superman in JLA. If SR sequel gets scrapped, could he be the new Superman?

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 5 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    He didn't get banned. There is some glitch which is preventing him from logging on to AICN talkback. He's e-mailed both Harry and Mori about this but received no reply. Since he has done nothing wrong, he rightly refuses to adopt a new moniker. <p> It is now up to us to rally support for our esteemed comrade. <p> FREE MR. NICE GAIUS!!

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Routh Should Keep the Role

    by Wolfman Nards

    Okay, so people didn't like the whole "Lois and Clark have a love child" thing but honestly, what other director is going to WANT to take over that story line? Singer needs to come back and redeem himself. I personally thought it was a pretty great movie. It wasn't your typical Super-Hero movie... it was more of a closing of the Richard Donner/Christopher Reed story line. Now all Singer needs to do is make his "Wrath of Kahn" as promised. If they recast Superman then I won't see it.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah....

    by Wolfman Nards

    And Justice League is on track to be just awful. Straight to DVD anyone? You have Batman already. You have Superman. Just stick with it. There is in no way possible that a movie with "Wonder Woman" in it will have any credibility.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Why does everyone hate SR so much?

    by Lemming

    Nothing wrong with it, apart from too long maybe. It was alot less cheesy than the original and tied in with it easily enough..You've all been on the fucking kryptonite as far as I can see.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Thanks Doc

    by Turd Furgusen

    I totally agree. Free Mr. Nice Gaius, please. He could try to contact Steadfast Networks too.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Who is MR.NICE GAIUS and why is he in trouble?

    by travis-dane

    I understand he is a TB,but what really bad thing must have he posted to get in trouble(since I witnessed the Silverfinger thing I dont get the whole banned and coming back thing)?Can somebody explain?Or is it a insider joke or something?

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 5:31 p.m. CST

    JESUS I AM BLIND!idiot travis(looks sadly at Doc`s post)

    by travis-dane

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 5:36 p.m. CST

    It doesn't seem to be a joke.

    by Turd Furgusen

    MNG and Doc have been on here for years. I signed up six or more years ago. <p> People usually say something pretty offensive to get kicked off. (ie: racist) I don't think MNG would do anything like that, he's a pretty decent guy. I hope they fix the glich and get him back. If nothing else, for the cthulhu dance.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 5:43 p.m. CST

    If MNG had been banned...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...all of his posts would have disappeared and I think the banned actually get notified in some way that they've been booted. <p> According to MNG, he discovered that he suddenly just couldn't log in anymore. He's tried appealing to Harry and Mori but hasn't received a response yet. <p> He's a troll-slaying champion and all-round good guy, the latter being a particularly rare commodity in talkback these days. <p> FREE MR. NICE GAIUS!!

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 5:55 p.m. CST

    How long has he had this problem?

    by Shermdawg

    I've had this problem a few times. There's the glitch where you'll enter your sign in info, and it will appear it didn't register. Then if ya close your browser, and go back to the site you'll now be logged in. <br><br> Then there's the glitch where you leave the site, come back and you're mysteriously logged out, you can't log back in, the exiting/relaunching browser solution won't work, and the only way to fix it is to dump your cache and restart your computer. (This one happened a lot after the "upgrade" to the site last year.)

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 6 p.m. CST

    Hold on, MNG! ATTN: AICN Moderators

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    This is an official letter of inquiry regarding the status of Talkbacker Mr. Nice Gaius a.k.a. "MNG" a.k.a. He Who Bears The Cthulu Dance. His presence is requested for his anti-trolling services, Cthulu Dance Mayhem, and all-round good guyness, the latter, indeed, being a rare commodity on the boards. May love bust him free! (in a totally non-gay way, of course)

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Shermdawg

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    Mr. Nice Gaius, if you're out there, and can hear me, heed the glitch report of Shermdawg. It may be the beacon of hope you've been waiting for. Don't give up!

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Troll slayer`s are cool!Maybe we should all E-MAIL the dudes..

    by travis-dane

    who run this site?

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Routh didnt do a reeves impression...

    by Zerofun

    Routh didn't do a great Reeves impression .. he did a great superman impression.. STFU you donky lovers that say otherwise.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 6:12 p.m. CST


    by ironic_name

    aicn didn't run the pic because its ancient, and not cloverfield.<P>buhbye.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Too bad. Hated Routh.

    by samsquanch

    popular opinion around here, I know. The guy just didn't look anything like Supes. I would have bought 47 year old Nic Cage and his pouty lips and brown hair more than soap star Routh and his fake blue contacts.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Superman Returns was brilliant.

    by Bellock

    For me, Singer's best film. It moved me deeply, as "Secret Identity" moved me as a comic book. Of course, you have to love comic books, and to understand the mythology. I think, however, that "Man of steel", should be directed (by Singer of course) as a more mainstream movie, to make the franchise durable. Finally, i have to say i don't understand the argument about this film. It made more money than "Batman Begins", has more memorable sequences (give me just one from BB that can stands the camparison with the falling plane in SR), and permitted to discover a new actor (fortunately, everybody agrees with this).

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Maybe we could...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...get together and do a talkbacker "We Are The World" or, more appropriately, "Ain't Gonna Play Sun City" type of record for MNG?

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 6:45 p.m. CST

    How about...

    by DocPazuzu immediate cessation of all actions against trolls until MNG is released?

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 6:50 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu a foreign cyber-land, <p> 'Carceration of Gaius I can't understand, <p> I, I, I, I, Iiii ain't gonna bitchsmack no trooooolls!"

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Still nothing from HEADGEEK or MORIARTY?WHY?

    by travis-dane

    Aint we worth it?

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 6:58 p.m. CST

    I guess that's the problem with you SUPERMAN RETURNS haters

    by Mr Incredible

    You just didn't "understand" it. Bullshit. The movie sucked. Plain and simple. Start over again. Keep Routh and really give him something to do the next time.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 7:03 p.m. CST


    by drew mcweeny

    ... it's being addressed. I've forwarded the problem to our tech guys. I can't fix it myself, and I'm not sure what happened to his login, but we'll get to it as soon as possible. No one's trying to deny him access to the site, okay?

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 7:08 p.m. CST

    You did it DocPazuzu!

    by travis-dane

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 7:21 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    I don't think anybody thought it was intentional, just an annoying glitch of sorts. <p> Thanks for the action taken.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 7:59 p.m. CST

    I'm glad that was untrue

    by CherryValance

    Routh is perfect, imo.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Routh is a great Superman/Clark

    by veritasses

    He really did a fantastic job. And with the right story and screenplay (and if Singer stays out of the writing process), Singer could be the right director. But I really wouldn't mind if some other proven, credible director were given the job.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Something People Keep Forgetting About SR

    by Colier Rannd

    Superman Returns is not a stand alone film and that's something everyone keeps forgetting. It's a setup. It sets up the next movie. It's probably meant to be part one of a trilogy. No one had a problem with Batman Begins being boring as hell (how many times do we need to see his origin? Right, so shut up about Luthor returning too). Why? Because even though it would put an insomniac to sleep, it was a set up for the next movie. Which will probably be boring too but at least we'll know the first was a set up. I say give Singer and Routh the sequel and see how it comes out.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 8:45 p.m. CST

    thanks, Moriarty

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    I wasn't sure what the deal was, but thought I would try and find out or at least try to draw attention to the glitch. I'm impressed at the quick response concerning fellow talkbacker. Hear that, MNG? Tech support is looking into it! And here I was warming up my singing voice for the Free MNG album...

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 9:05 p.m. CST

    To get back on topic...

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    Batman Begins 4Life! Down with Superstalker Returns for the Second Time!

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 9:24 p.m. CST

    Durance has a great rack! I enjoy watching Smallville

    by teethgnasher


  • Jan. 5, 2008, 9:48 p.m. CST

    I'd like to see where they'd take it

    by F69

    I remember hearing somewhere that the whole premise for the next film revolved around that huge Kryptonite island basically settling into orbit somewhere and Superman risks going there again because he wants to get his fathers crystals back. Then, once he gets to this 'New Krypton' a load of embryos or bacteria latch onto his spaceship and once back on earth grow into giant super powered monsters with kryptonite part of their DNA. It's probably a bunch of bullshit but there's definatly room to expand on SR

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 10:04 p.m. CST

    they need a GIANT FUCKING SPIDER in the

    by travis-dane

    third act of Superman Returns again!I loved the first one!

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 10:14 p.m. CST


    by NoHubris

    Hang in there. It looks like it's almost over<P>Expecting you back with the force of an Adama-Atmo FTL Jump Maneuver.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Adama-Atmo FTL Jump Maneuver KICK ASS!

    by travis-dane

    That is a good one!

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Thanks, travis-dane

    by NoHubris

    Mr. Nice Gaius IS the TB version of aforementioned maneuver. ;-)

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 10:30 p.m. CST

    To that post by Mr Saxon!

    by EvilDoeR

    [The problem with casting that you effectively bring with him the whole backstory of Smallville. If you don't add the other members of the cast, it's going to be confusing to the younger Smallville audience. And if you do add the other members of the cast, it becomes SMALLVILLE: THE MOVIE rather than SUPERMAN.] Dude SMALLVILLE is about SUPERMAN! Who cares! It's SUPERMAN the movie regardless! What are you fucking retarded? Don't you know that Superman grows up in SMALLVILLE? I mean come on think out side the box man! For crying out loud that's the lamest, and dumbest excuse I have heard from anyone when it comes to not casting Welling. The best thing for the WB to do is fire Singer, fire Routh, and cast Welling as the new MAN OF STEEL in JLA, and if that movie is a mega block buster then continue solo movies with Welling as Superman. Yes the main cast from the show would follow but seriously who cares they are all good actors! Id love to see Chloe & Lois from the show on the big screen with Superman played by Welling, and Lex by M.R! That cast rocks! Much better then the POS cast from SR! Singerman sucked major balls, and that's why it's not going on... God bless the writers for this strike because I believe this will be the final help the WB will need to get Welling for JLA without messing up Smallvilles shooting schedule. WELLING IS THIS GENERATIONS SUPERMAN!!!

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Hope to see him soon!Destroying a TROLL!

    by travis-dane

    Can`t wait!Your Post is funny shit man!Just cracked me up!

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 11 p.m. CST


    by DoctorWho?

    I'm there! He's had my back many a time and I'm sure Moriarty and co are on the case.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 11:12 p.m. CST

    SR was shit

    by brobdingnag

    Routh cannot act. The only people in this TB that think he was good want to fuck him, thats it. Bad plot, bad dialog, bad acting (Even Spacey was just collecting a check). Kill this shit now and cut its head off so it can't come back.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Routh Not the Problem

    by tallsy

    Personally, I would have cast Cavill who has tremendous personal charm. I don't understand the KS love. He's a very good actor generally, but I found him very one note. Marsden was very good, but his character shouldn't have been in the movie so that sorta cancels itself out.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Man of Steel Solution to Superman Returns storyline...

    by wackybantha was allll a dreeeaammmm!!!

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 12:45 a.m. CST


    by riddleman1674

    Fuckin soooooooooooo sick of the goddamn inconsistency with these characters. And don't give me this bullshit about Superman being a huge name that's bigger than just one guy playing him. If that was the fuckin case then Daniel Radcliffe would have got the boot after Sorcerer's Stone. Take note you clueless executive assholes! Believe it or not, consistency works. The HP franchise is sheer proof of that. Routh was the best thing to happen to the then long dead Superman movie franchise. Great actor and fit the part. Yeah everyone had to bitch and whine about the script and the love story, but oh well. I personally think it followed the line of the first X-Men. Kinda setting up the characters for what was to be inevitably the badass sequel that everyone got. The next Supes movie WILL deliver. Singer knows his shit. I have faith. Oh and BTW, FUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCKKK this Justice League movie and it's soon to be teenie bopper cast. 'Nuff said.....

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 12:55 a.m. CST

    He just doesn't look like Supes.

    by samsquanch

    Aren't there any lantern-jawed, barrel-chested, black Irish actors who look good with a close-cropped haircut in Hollywood? Hell, Adam fucking Baldwin looks more like Superman TODAY than Routh does. <p> And as for all the kids out there who liked Returns better than Begins, don't worry, when you grow up you'll watch it again and all the confusing parts will make more sense.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 12:59 a.m. CST

    my humble opinion on Brandon Routh

    by marv42134213

    I actually thought Brandon did a good job as superman. I enjoy Tom Welling and think he would be good, but I don't think they should overlap smallville into Superman. Brandon did a good job as Kent and Superman, but...they didn't give him enough screen time to show off his acting chops. The minumal action scenes were cool, especiall the airplane, but come on folks, this is superman. Could we please have ONE movie with out Lex, no powers, Luthor in it. Not Zod either please. Superman can travel galaxies, how about him running into Darkseid coming to ravage earth and its up to stop him and lock him on the source wall. How about the parasite or Mr. mxylpwhatever his name is (sorry, too hard to spell without my encyclopedia). How about the bottle city of Kandor. The problem with these movies is toooo much talk back and forth with lois. I know she is canon to the story, but how about putting her in danger of someone other than Lex. Have a massive fight with Darkseid, maybe even go to his planet, battle to death, slaw him to the wall and on his way back, maybe show a little glimpse of someone finally breaking free, possibly Doomsday, and setting it up for an awesome finally for the trilogy. And please, I love Nick Cage, he is a great actor, but please, not for superman. I know there are a lot of possibilities for an awesome superman movie, but please let us at least see someone that can give him a serious run for his money and please, if for only on movie, give Lex a little time off

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 1:03 a.m. CST

    also, Lois.

    by samsquanch

    anyone else think that Parker Posey should have been cast as Lois? Sure, she's a little (just a little) too old, but in a movie cast according to physical resemblances to the cast of the previous movies, Posey and Margot Kidder definitely look sort of alike. Posey can actually act, too, unlike half the cast, Routh included. That teenage blonde girl playing Lois was one of the most jarring, weirdo, incomprehensible moves on Singer's part, and there were plenty to choose from. A Parker Posey Lois playing off a Superman/Clark played by a grown man who looks like the character would have fucking worked, and you know it.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 1:05 a.m. CST

    marv- my Nick Cage suggestion

    by samsquanch

    was a joke.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 1:07 a.m. CST

    winning that Pulitzer was the best thing EVAR

    by samsquanch

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 1:08 a.m. CST


    by marv42134213

    Thank you...I apologize for taking you seriously...I hope I didn't upset you. I just had a bad flashback when he was dead set on the role. my apologise.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 1:42 a.m. CST

    Superman returns for the second time

    by otm shank

    In this one he should not fly, and he should be razzeling polar bears! HAHAHA...classic.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 4:25 a.m. CST

    SR's one redeeming feature

    by onephatnelly

    ... made me want to stand up and cheer like a fanboy in the cinema, and that was the plane sequence. It was executed brilliantly, and I believe retained the spirit of the first two films. Apart from that, I agree with the rest of the talkbackers in that Brandon Routh was decent, but the script and the direction SUCKED ass big time. I for one would like to see Bryan Singer back for the sequel. He's a great director and deserves a second chance, but please leave Harris and Dougherty off the project. Those guys couldn't write a shopping list.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 4:30 a.m. CST

    and furthermore...

    by onephatnelly

    ... Spacey's Luthor sucked, even if he's best buds with Singer. Nobody loves KS more than me but Hackman was a hard act to follow and KS was horribly miscast. Bring on Brainiac for the next movie!

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 4:53 a.m. CST

    Why would you want Bryan Singer BACK...

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    When HE'S the one who's behind Harris and Dougherty being involved in the film in the FIRST place???<p>Superman Returns was SINGER'S vision... A screwed up, badly-regurgitated copy of Donner's films almost 30 years ago. The man has ZERO imagination when it comes to superheroes and only lucked out with X-Men because they fit his M.O. of self-pitying whiners who feel they can't fit in. When he tried to shoehorn Superman in that mold, what did we get? A whiny, loser stalker who abandons his responsibilities and loved ones for YEARS to go on an obvious wild-goose chase, and upon finding out he's fathered a son, simply says "I'll be around." What an ASS. And what a CRAPTASTICALLY CRAPPY when to do Superman!<p>The only thing Singer deserves is a super-kick to the nuts for making this film. The LAST thing he should ever GET is ANOTHER chance to make a Superman movie.<p>Oh, yeah... and Kevin Spacey's Luthor DID stink. Stop with the wig-wearing, idiot henchmen Luthors, already!!! Quit screwing around and just hire BILLY ZANE, so we can FINALLY have a threatening, charismatic Luthor who'll actually seem like a real threat! >:O

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 7:55 a.m. CST


    by onephatnelly

    Everybody deserves a chance at redemption, and I think Singer realises he fucked the pooch badly on SR, both with his vision and his hiring of those two hacks. Singer is a superb director when he puts his mind to it (Usual Suspects, Apt Pupil) and I think he deserves another chance. I'm sure if he'd stayed on board for X3 then it wouldn't have sucked balls half as bad as it did when it was mishandled and completely fucked up by Ratner. Maybe Singer needs to do some more research on this one than he did on SR, but I'm sure he could redeem himself. BTW glad you agree on Spacey, and I'm also in agreement that Zane would make a great Luthor.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 8:33 a.m. CST

    Batman Begins was a MILLION times BETTER!!

    by batzilla

    Superman Returns was so fucking awful! A huge super queer movie. Brandon looked like a pussy big time! DO A REBOOT!!!

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 9:23 a.m. CST

    OBVIOUSLY he's doing it

    by BurgerKing

    Not like the guy has anything else to do. He's Superman - he's typecasted, as any Superman is.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 9:29 a.m. CST

    New Dark Knight trailer.

    by Reelheed

    blah blah blah apple trailers blah blah blah

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 9:58 a.m. CST

    RE: New Dark Knight trailer

    by KentButabi

    Is it just me, or did they spoof at least three scenes from the '89 Batman? 1) Joker, Batman and female lead in a restaurant, 2) Joker standing in the middle of the street with a gun as Bats comes straight at him in a Bat-vehicle, 3) Gordon going through Jokers pockets?

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 9:58 a.m. CST

    as mediocre as Superman Returns was

    by smackfu

    it was 1000 times better than the Nicolas Cage, leather-wearing Neo Superman, and Giant Mechanical Spider movies that we almost ended up with. Count your blessings.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 9:59 a.m. CST

    RE: Actual Topic

    by KentButabi

    I'm all for ROUTH, but Singer? Not sure if it matters when stories are lame.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 10:31 a.m. CST

    To McFly:X3 was REALLY BAD SHIT!

    by travis-dane

    And stop bashing Harry you FUCKTARD!Your POSTS are total BULLSHIT!If you HATE AICN so much,there are many other sites to visit!And PLEASE speak just for yourself when attacking Harry and his reviews!IF YOU DONT LIKE IT BITE IT!If you have some real points let "us" know!Or as the sweet virgin Mary said once:PLEASE COME AGAIN!

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Mr Saxon:RIGHT ON,brother...

    by travis-dane

    dont need no SMALLVILLE 90210 shit in my SUPERMAN RETURNS AGAIN!Just the BRAINIAC wresslin'SUPERMANS bodyguards back at the Fortress of...

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 10:40 a.m. CST

    McFly:Now that was a good solid point!

    by travis-dane

    You're a virgin too?

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 10:49 a.m. CST

    McFly, are you suggesting that because...

    by rbatty024

    Harry liked Superman Returns and didn't like X3 he's "biased" (whatever the hell that means in this context). Even if you hated Superman Returns, you have to admit that X3 was worse. <p> X3 was so scattershot that it couldn't competently juggle the few subplots it managed to squeeze into the film. The Kitty Pride, Iceman, Rogue love triangle disappeared for such a long time I almost forgot it was still a part of the story. Why was Rogue jealous again, because Iceman was skating with Kitty Pride? That was an obviously shoehorned conflict. The same is true of the Angel subplot. It was unnecessary and was shoved into the film for no reason. <p> Or how about Cyclops dying off screen. I kept on expecting him to pop back up. Killing off Prof. X was so poorly done I laughed out loud in the theater. <p> The final fight was also ridiculous. What are the Pheonix's powers again, to stand around while other people are killed? She's supposedly the most powerful mutant on the planet and she just sits there. It doesn't make any sense. <p> Look, say what you will about Superman Returns but the moment you suggest that X3 was better then you're regulated to the cinematic moron pile. Go read a book, although I'm sure there wouldn't be enough action for you.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 11:01 a.m. CST

    rbatty024:AMEN to that!But maybe MacFly...

    by travis-dane

    loves himself some RATNER cock!And the Mystique SHIT was really BAD too!

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 11:08 a.m. CST

    You can't say SR was mediocre

    by Jack Burton

    Yes, it lacked wall to all action, but we've seen what happens with wall-to-wall action in bad movies like Spider-man 3. I think Singer set out to make a philosophical Superman movie and was thwarted by the studios. The questions that movie raises are interesting but there is no follow through. What does it mean to have a god live amongst you? What happens when that god abandons you? How should his return be treated? DOES the world need Superman? I really liked the movie for the things it did really well, it just didn't follow through. The scene that encapsulates the problems with the film is when Superman takes Lois on the night flight. He tries to impart on her his responsibility, the he hears EVERYTHING. But he cannot save everyone. And he fails utterly in making her understand. And Brandon Routh was outstanding as Clark/Supes. The performance may have been an homage to Christopher Reeve but it was still fantastic. I just don't see how people can watch a movie that tried to be more than a typical summer action flick and say "it sucks". At least give it credit for what it did well and that it attempted to be more than 95% of the brainless hollywood "blockbuster" shit, like X3 and Spider-man 3.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 11:14 a.m. CST

    McFly:but I thought I can do YOU!

    by travis-dane

    Since you are a virgin!Love me my virgins nice and tight!But serious McFly,why does this gets you so hot?You know it is AICN.I just think you are a little too hard on good old Headgeek.And why dont you go somewhere else then?Going APESHIT on Harry in every TB is not going to help.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 11:28 a.m. CST

    McFly:Did the SR review made you a non-believer?

    by travis-dane

    Or was it just the icing on the cake for you?And I never watched a movie because of some review!I mean you come across as some tough fucker,you sure dont give a shit on other peoples reviews of movies!The best man here has to be VERN!

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 11:42 a.m. CST


    by onephatnelly

    You're the Norman Arbuthnot of this board :)

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 11:46 a.m. CST

    McFly:That was a clearcut STATEMENT!

    by travis-dane

    Thanks for that!

  • Jan. 6, 2008, noon CST

    McFly:whats a HUMMER?

    by travis-dane

    I dont understand(i am from Germany,sometimes a phrase passes me by).

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 12:13 p.m. CST

    SO I gave McFly a BLOWJOB?

    by travis-dane

    Could be worse!Are you shaved?

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 12:22 p.m. CST

    McFly VS Travis-Dane?

    by travis-dane

    That was not a FIGHT,it was a piss contest.He's not a SILVERFINGER(that was bad).

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 12:27 p.m. CST

    I could do you BOTH!

    by travis-dane

    calm down guys,or is it a old feud?

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Are you guys 12 yrs old or what?

    by DoctorWho?

    This thread is done. C-ya

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Hmmm. Never read Harry's review of SR.

    by IAmMrMonkey!

    But that's pretty funny.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Oh and Mcfly in the ointment

    by IAmMrMonkey!

    "And, what the hell kind of name is Mr Saxon anyway???"<p>It's a Doctor Who character. As a longtime DW fan, I had to let you know. :)

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 1:05 p.m. CST

    SUPES Is Supposed To Be Heterosexual, Right?

    by LaserPants

    Routh came off as gay to me. Not that gay men can't play straight men (hell, if they didn't, most of Hollywood wouldn't even exist), but Routh didn't look the part AT ALL. He just seemed like some metrosexual / homosexual guy in fetish wear. I see Supes as a larger guy, very much olde skool hetero, not so skinny, fey, and twee as he was in the abysmal Superman Returns. And yes, SR was a disaster. The plane crash sequence was kind of fun, the rest of it? Awful.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Keep Routh plz

    by Gatack2

    He was good in the role even though he wasn't given much to do. He shouldn't be the scapegoat for the franchise.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 2:46 p.m. CST

    New MNG moniker ideas

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    If he can't get his account fixed: Mr. Nice Gaius 2: Gaius Harder.<p>Mr. Nice Gaius 2: No more Mr. Nice Gaius</p>

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Routh's Creepy Reeves Impersonation Was Off-Putting

    by LaserPants

    I'm not a big fan of the Donner films, so I felt that the fetishistic Donner-reduxness of SR was rather, well, lame. I like how Supes is portrayed in Justice League Unlimited, Superman: The Animated Series, and the comics, of course. I would like them to cast someone more in step with that version of Supes than the Donner / Reeves version.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 3:21 p.m. CST

    If Routh wouldn't have acted like Reeves

    by Detective_Fingerling

    everyone would have complained that he didn't act like Superman. Maybe it's a classic case of "can't get right." Who knows? I liked his performance. I could do without Singer though. I really hope the next Superman movie has three times the action, one-third of the exposition. I'm one of those people who buys just about every DVD that comes out, but I won't even pick up SR at blockbuster during their rare 5 for $20 sales. It seems to me that after the initial viewing, SR is better served in short 3 minute highlight clips on youtube.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Mori, going back to that Variety blog/article...

    by FilmNerdJamie

    Does that woman know what she's talking about or has there been recent developments that haven't been reported? I ask this because (by all accounts) THE MAYOR OF CASTRO STREET is dead because of the rival Gus Van Sant film MILK. Also, the script for CASTRO STREET (supposedly) was not turned in on time before the WGA Strike started. And we're still in the middle of said strike with no end in sight. So I'm failing to see how Bryan Singer can be prepping a film when there's no script ready and a rival production moving forward faster than a speeding bullet (no pun intended!)

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Smallville fucking sucks

    by KristianUK

    I am seriously suspect of anyone that likes Smallville and wants a Smallville movie. Do you even know anything about the Superman mythology for fucks sake. As for all the Superman Return haters you can suck a fat hairy one. It was a perfect set up film. It left the sequel set up to be whatever it wanted to be. The kid plot is a growth in the Superman story. It could be handled well and Im sure the original team had ideas about what they were planning as far as that goes. Routh was great as Superman. Ive waited years for a new Superman film and now it is all going to be fucked by a bunch or retards, those at Warners and fanboys. JL will be so fucking bad its not even funny so there.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 6:01 p.m. CST

    I Have A Sinking Feeling JUSTICE LEAGUE Is Going To Suck Too

    by LaserPants

    It COULD be totally a$$kicking, but a sneaking feeling tells me its going to be a huge piece of cgi sh*t written by some 10 year old w/ severe ADD they hired as a scab during the strike. I have an equally sinking suspicion that the inevitable AVENGERS movie will suck. Unless, of course, they just make a movie out of THE ULTIMATES.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Thank God thier making a sequel

    by samurai sark

    Don't abandon 19 years of making a superman franchise just because of one boring flick. SEQUEL would rock. <br> <br> KEEP: Routh, Spacey, Jimmy Olsen <br> <br> DITCH: Bosworth <br> <br> ADD: LexCorp, Brainiac, Metallo <br> <br> DON'T ADD: Darksied (yet), Doomsday (yet) <br> Shake Well

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 6:13 p.m. CST

    "ADD: LexCorp, Brainiac, Metallo"

    by LaserPants

    Well we agree on that at least! ;D

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 6:15 p.m. CST

    "DITCH: Bosworth"

    by LaserPants

    On this too we agree! She's cute and all, but she lacks the spunk that Lois Lane should have. She was too frail. I can't really think of a good Lois of the top of my head, but I know Bosworth ain't her.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Michael Bay?

    by samurai sark

    Here's the resume. Is this the guy that should be directing Supes? <br> <br> Bad Boys: Justice with Humor <br> THe Rock: Military threat with Intense Action <br> Armageddon: Global threat with Heroics <br> Pearl Harbor: High-Flying battles with a classic theme <br> Transformers: Sci-Fi Storyline with Big-Budget Battles<br> <br> If he can curb his damn corny humor, he might be the right guy

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Laser pants

    by samurai sark

    My Lois choices: <br> <br> Maggie Gyllenhaal <br> Scarlet Johanssen <br> Alyssa Milano <br> <br>and my No:2 <br> Rachael MacAdams <br> <br> and my No: 1 <br> Parker Posey. In the one scene her and Routh had, she actually makes him Act! Its amazing! Despite Singer's terrible direction, Posey gets Routh to SMIRK, SMILE, and even LAUGH a little.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 6:30 p.m. CST


    by samurai sark

    man, compiling that list made me realize how hard it is to think of an actress that has bombshell looks AND a smart mouth. What happened to hollywood gals?

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 6:34 p.m. CST


    by samurai sark

    Would be a great villain. Some mercenary Lex hires to take out Superman with a Kyptonite-based metal body. Those would be some cool battles. Plus, Metallo could up the takes by kidnapping (or killing) the kid! Then no more kid! Yay!

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 6:42 p.m. CST

    singer's superman is moronic

    by cloudrider`

    the fastest strongest man on the planet, supposedly has a brain and a heart to boot. and what does he do with all that advantages? he goes around the globe looking for someone to fall from a skyscraper, stop robbers, lift a car/statue/whatever. and actually can find time to play geeky reporter. wow.. talk about being lazy. spider-man and batman do not have a life due to their superhero works. and they're only bound to one city. this is the guy who can be anywhere and do anything, and he has time to waste playing lover and reporter(not that i've ever seen him do any reporting)? how about some ambitions? how about stopping world hunger? genocide? taking on dictators. superman maybe a romantic figure back in the earlier movies, but today is a whole different world. a romantic superman doesnt cut it anymore. the world has too much cleaning up for supes to do to play a father and foil a moronic real estate plan(how the hell are people gonna live on that chunk of rock??). all he does is lifting up this thing and that thing in the movie. what a waste of potential. what a lacks of vision. singer should stay away from the next movie.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 7:10 p.m. CST

    superhero movie cliche# 1

    by cloudrider`

    everyone has their favs, but here's what bugs me most... why is it the villain/problem always shows up right at the same time the hero finds his true calling. one minute the city was peaceful, no supervillains has ever been sighted. but the second the hero puts on his spandex, boom... some guy also just happen to meet with a lab accident and become a supervillain. i always hate that coincidence! cant the writers have more originality about bringing the two together into the story? the same with batman begins(perfect first half/cartoonish second)... where's ra's al ghul in gotham before? but the second bale became batman, he's there to fight him. lame!

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Inspired Choices, samurai sark!

    by LaserPants

    Wow! Hard to choose! Either Maggie Gyllenhaal or Scarlet Johanssen could both pull it off rather well, I reckon. Rachel Adams could be phenomenal too. Parker Posey is a great actress, but she's not the female lead type I don't think. She's more villian-y somehow. Doesn't she usually play some kind of eccentric villian type?

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 8:40 p.m. CST

    Hey everyone!

    by IAmMrMonkey!

    The REAL Bob Orci - writer of Transformers and the new Trek movie - is on the Star Trek TB answering questions! Get over there if you want to ask him anything. Or just abuse him for Transformers.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Superman Returns blew

    by SlickyVonBoner

    and Routh is a good actor but not a good superman.. the end.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 10:41 p.m. CST

    Superman Returns was awesome

    by darthvedder81

    A classy, elegant superhero film with real mythic resonance. Singer set the tone just right harkening back to the Donner flicks. That's probably why it did so "bad" raking in "only" 400 mil globally—people like the newer, slick Spidey/Batman stuff. Not me though.

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 3:22 a.m. CST

    Superman Lifts

    by Prossor

    like cloudrider said about the apathetic tripe of Superman Lifts. If you like your Superman lifting shit then this is for you. In one of those reviews here, someone mentioned Superman III is worse than Returns? Richard Pryor skiing down the building was by itself more enjoyable than all of Singerman. Supe 3 also had that that junkyard id fight was epic. Evil Superman getting drunk was awesome too.

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 6:30 a.m. CST

    Superman Returns - one of the BEST comic films ever

    by Barney_Tabasco

    You heard it. Keep Routh. Keep SInger. Keep the crew and effects team. New scriptwriters. More action. More stuff blown up. Sorted. Oh, and KEEP that goddamn amazing theme tune. PLeeease!

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 6:35 a.m. CST


    by just pillow talk

    If you need new scriptwriters and more action (stuff blown up), how was Supe Returns one of the best?

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 7:08 a.m. CST

    SR should've been a remake

    by oweny

    Superman Returns was crap. Should have been a remake instead of a sequel. Superhero remakes work a lot better than 25-years-later sequels. See Spiderman 1 and Batman Begins for proof of this.

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 8 a.m. CST

    I cant hold back!!!!!

    by boyblue

    Why is it some complete fucking idiots think that whole Island was made of Kryptonite?? Was I the only one that listened to Spacey when he explained the whole crystals fused with Kryptonite thing?? They inherit certain features, they dont become Kryptonite!! That thing was a huge alien island laced with bits of Kryptonite, A giant chocolate chip cookie with the chocolate chips replaced with Kryptonite if you will!! Fucking retarded whiny assholes who cant even follow a simple story from start to finish and put more of an effort into bitching and moaning about it on the net than actually enjoying a good film is fucking beyond me!! Wow first rant of 2008, I feel much better! Roll on "Man of Steel" with Routh, Singer, Spacey et al..............

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 8:52 a.m. CST

    island of kryptonite

    by cloudrider`

    here's the thing... no matter how silly or illogical a plot point is, you can always rationalize it away if you try. but that doesnt make it seem less silly. didnt supes lost all strength when he first landed on the island? did you not see him getting his ass kicked all over by three mere thugs? did you not see that he cant even lift a finger to fight back? later, after he got stabbed by a pure kryptonite rock, suddenly he can lift the whole bloody island???

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 9:09 a.m. CST

    cloudrider wrote:

    by onephatnelly

    'later, after he got stabbed by a pure kryptonite rock, suddenly he can lift the whole bloody island???' <br> Surely you missed the scene prior to the island lifting, where Supes flies up and bathes in the rays of the yellow Sun, which is the source of his strength. That was my initial interpretation as to how his super strength returned.

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 9:12 a.m. CST


    by onephatnelly

    ... and didn't Lois remove the lion's share of the Kryptonite from his back, leaving a small sliver? That, coupled with the Kryptonite residue from the island launched into space, completely sapped Superman's energy thus making him fall through the earth's atmosphere to the ground with a 'whump' in Central Park. <br> That's how I understood it, anyway.

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 9:14 a.m. CST

    lex the evil idiot

    by cloudrider`

    spacey of the usual suspect or seven is a much better opponent for supes. at least they got a brain. i mean, what kind of embecile would think a rock island is a way to restart the civilization? even if he could somehow make it habitable for people(unlikely), it'd be ages for that to happen. by then old lex is already too dead to reap the benefits. to think this idiot is the best they could come up with to fight superman. how about someone who can really screw with supes's head, who can orchestrate a plan to make the whole world hate superman, who can bring about armageddon. something challenging and worthy of supes' attention. anything but this bald clown.

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Kal El Vis is Dead!!

    by boyblue

    What other possible excuse could he have for not gracing this talkback with his vile homophobic inbred cracker slurs!! And yes this film was out Summer 2006 but that doesnt we cant still talk about it's greatness!!

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 9:37 a.m. CST

    rays of sun

    by cloudrider`

    you're right. i completely forgot about that part. still, it's a tad too convinient. how would one bath in the sunrays? wasn't he bathed in enough sunrays before he got on that island? and he still couldnt fend off 3 thugs. i know the sunrays goes with the territory of the genre, but it feels like cheating. he could be near death for all i know, but soak him in sunlight and he's good as new. where's the fun in that? they should send him to a beach then when he falls, not to a hospital.

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 9:38 a.m. CST

    routh against braini-agent smith in MAN OF STEEL

    by ironic_name

    lex tries to ally with brainiac, brainiac unleashes his 'doomsday' device, superman won't kill brainiac, so he puts him in a modified version of the phantom zone with recursive time or something, clark is hanging at the daily planet, when he hears lois say cyclops has kidnapped supes jnr, clark creates a sonic boom flying out the lobby of the planet. lois looking gobsmacked, credits.

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 9:47 a.m. CST

    SR was great..Routh WAS perfect!

    by FleshMachine

    a perfect blend of the '78 Reeve/Donner film and a modern look. The film wasnt 100% perfect..and routh was a bit young looking but I loved it...the opening music still gives my shivers. cant wait for the sequel.

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Keep: Singer/Routh/Spacey, Lose: Bosworth/Moppet

    by FleshMachine

    I did not at all care for Lois/Cyclops and the kid. Supes. Luthor and the overall tone was perfect.

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Count me among those...

    by Abominable Snowcone

    ...who thought Routh was okay, not great, just working with what script he was given, which sucked. The movie was not enjoyable. I saw it at the theatre and have no urge to see it again. Usually, if I remotely enjoy a superhero movie, I get the DVD and watch it quite a few times by myself or with the kids. Not so here. "Returns" was slow and full of unlikeable characters.

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 11:10 a.m. CST

    horrible, drab, turgid, joyless experience!!

    by boyblue

    Yeah that describes Smallville alright! And my wedding!ahem! Any way I can understand that some of you didnt get what you wanted in a Superman film, me I got everything I wanted and it would be a real dissapointment if we didnt get another one, and for every one that didnt enjoy Superman Returns Im sure there will be something else out around the same time as "Man of Steel" directed by Brett Ratner or Uwe Boll you can go see instead.

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 11:10 a.m. CST

    There's no point in discussing

    by Abominable Snowcone

    whether the "whole island" was made of kryptonite or not, because the whole premise was stupid to begin with, and the visual of him lifting a mini-continent was lame. Singer kneels before Zod.

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 11:21 a.m. CST

    In reply to the above

    by boyblue

    Ha-ha! Dum Dum want Gum Gum?

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Sorry lost my train of thought

    by boyblue

    Stalker?? That's just like the Chocolate Chip Cookie thing! He wasnt stalking!! Did he steel a pair of Lois's or the kids underoos, was he frantically snapping away with a camera or pulling an Ichi on the Window sill!! NO. He was trying to figure out if there was still a place in this world left for him, Is Lois happy, Is this a part of her life he can be part of, is there any way they can be together? But I get most people dont get this!

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Agreed about Smallville though!

    by boyblue

    Sucks more than Paris!!

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 11:32 a.m. CST

    STILL not returning to Man of Steel will be....

    by finky089

    me and my $12.

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Sorry you see it that way

    by boyblue

    And he was clearly not touching his bathing suit area! And hours??? WTF!

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Actually there's an easy way...

    by Kid Z

    ... to get out of the "Superman's kid" conundrum Singer got us into. Two words: "Black Mercy". Of course in the movie, I'd use Darkseid as the villain instead of Mongul... but that's just my preference.

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Black Mercy

    by samurai sark

    would be pretty damn cool to see. I don't know if it would fix the kid conundrum without pissing off Alan Moore fans. They guy's been through enough adaptation travesties. <br><br> My thoughts on the kid? Lex kidnaps him and raises him in hiding.

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 1:31 p.m. CST

    What do you mean, "still?"

    by Abominable Snowcone

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 1:34 p.m. CST

    A better Superman movie

    by Hotscot

    1. Follow the tone of the comics. Right now they are hard hitting and nicely paced. (Especially the recent Camelot Falls story where the premise is that Supermans' protection of humanity is holding humanity back from developing and is the cause for the eventual demise of humanity.) 2. IF Luthor has to be in it. He should be an evil, psycho, billionaire, genius. Why oh why is he portrayed as a bumbling idiot? I just don't get that. 3. Supes himself. He should be hardened, tough,exude masculinity, mean and ruthless when necessary. Not someone who looks as though he should be a Calvin Klein model. Think..oh.. someone like Clive Owen, George Clooney. Someone with character in their face. Brandon was just very bland. 6. Create a new, or use an old, villian who provides real danger and drama. Let's see deaths by the thousands, and no reset time travel. Let's see why we need a super man as the only one who can stop it. Not a fashion dummy. 5. Gritty, grim, dark. BSG type visuals. Real sense of danger and horror. Real relief when Superman prevails.

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 1:40 p.m. CST


    by Abominable Snowcone

    He was stalking. He was not trying to see if he still had a place in "this world." Rather, he was seeing if he still had a place at Lois'. When you focus the "trying to see if..." behavior onto one person, it becomes stalking (as opposed to when he goes up in space and "listens" to everything, changing "channels" like a radio.<p> Break it down even simpler, anyone else caught standing around outside a house at night peeking in would be arrested for, y'know, STALKING. Or voyeurism, or whatever it's called depending on where you live. At least they didn't show him tugging his red undees down and bopping his kryto-hammer. It's a sociopathic kind of behavior, the I-almost-hope-I'm-caught-doing-this-creepy-act. All the sociopathic homersexuals where I live all go to this one particular park at night to do their "thing," even though they know that the police know about this place, and that they'll be arrested, which they are, and brought to court, where they get to meet ME! Yay! Superman Returns felt like that to me. Creepy.

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 2:16 p.m. CST

    I agree, it's not shit

    by samurai sark

    but Superman deserves better than "not-shit." <br><br> GREAT:<br> Batman Begins<br> Spiderman 1 & 2<br> X-Men 1 & 2<br> Blade<br><br> OK:<br> Spiderman 3<br> X-Men 3<br> Fantastic 4 1 & 2<br> Blade 2<br> Daredevil (Directors Cut)<br> <br><br> SHIT:<br> The Punisher<br> Ghost Rider<br> <br><br> NOT SHIT, BUT CLOSE:<br> Hulk<br> Superman Returns<br>

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah,

    by samurai sark

    put Elektra in the SHIT column. My God that was a bad bad bad movie <br>

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 3:57 p.m. CST

    OK Right!!

    by boyblue

    So lets say if you came back from a 5 year round the world trip or a 5 year stint in jail and where expecting to pick up where you left off in your life and to your shock horror everyone has moved on, wouldnt you be the least bit curious as to whats happening, if you where Superman wouldnt you want to make sure your ex-partner is happy, did he go there night after night and peep into her place?? Er nope he did it the once and the next time he visited her place was when he found out the kid was his!! Whats the big fucking problem??

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 5:21 p.m. CST

    A nice spin on the cliche hero vs. villain relationship...

    by Timmy Grrr

    ...can be seen here:

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 7:51 p.m. CST

    The guy was fire from a soap opera

    by Immortal_Fish

    Yet he still managed to pull the character off. Can't suspect that it wasn't due to *heavy* coaching, however. Again, the guy was fire from a SOAP OPERA. Isn't that a hard thing to do when you've won the genetics lottery?<P>IMO, it's Singer that has to go. He's fucked up two comic properties now. And, yes, I do mean two. If you know the X-Men, then you know that the film is not even a close, decent interpretation of the source material. You may have seen good movies, but they were hardly representative of the X-Men source material.<P>Anyhow, the only concern I have about a Supes sequel is that the absence of Singer may result in a less coached Routh, presuming Singer was the one who indeed coach Routh in the first place.

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 8:19 p.m. CST

    As much as I would hate to see Clooney as Supes

    by samsquanch

    I have to admit he would do a better job than Routh. I'm going to go cry in the shower now.

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Remember the scene on the rooftop?

    by DoctorWho?

    ...Helipad getaway/bullets off Supes chest etc. I vaguely remember hearing/reading that scene was added later cause of the lack of action present at that point. Maybe someone can confirm. But, pretty weak considering the film was still pretty devoid of excitement at the end of the day. Not a hater, just dissapointed.

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 1:57 a.m. CST

    Wrath of Khan = new director + tv cast

    by Live.

    You have to laugh at Singer's lemmings who parrot his Wrath of Khan line. They don't even know what it means. Singer and his lemmings prove that not only don't they know Superman's history, but they don't know Trek history either.<p> To go Wrath of Khan on the Superman sequel would mean dumping the director of the first movie (Robert Wise for Nicholas Meyer) and feature the cast from the Star Trek tv show (instead of recasting).<p> So, to go Wrath of Khan on the Superman sequel would be to DUMP Singer and star the cast of Smallville. ROTFLMAO! So by all means lets go Wrath of Khan on the Superman sequel!<p> Ignorant Singer and his ignorant parrots are a never ending source of amusement.

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 3:08 a.m. CST

    with sinister intentions..

    by boyblue

    .. It would be creepy!! But like I said he wasnt pulling an Ichi!

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 3:14 a.m. CST


    by boyblue

    Way to miss a point!! Only a trekie could mis-read a simple message!! It was a general statement about the feel of the film not the mechanics of how the film would be made(Although I have never seen those Trek films, I saw the one with the whales as a kid and I havent been able to take Trek seriosly ever since!!)

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 3:19 a.m. CST


    by boyblue

    Im sure Warners learnt there lesson with Mark Pillow! So Routh acting in Soaps was a non issue when they greenlit his hiring!!

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 7:58 a.m. CST

    A little more on that I am Legend poster

    by Lord_Brixton

    The London Times has a recap of the AICN story, but adds a grab of the Green Lantern pic:

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 8:07 a.m. CST


    by just pillow talk

    The best thing that could be said about returns is that it was easily forgettable. <p>So Jarv asked you a question, what happened to all your posts in the Bond talkback?

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 8:08 a.m. CST

    hey, so what if he learned it from an American

    by just pillow talk

    our English be good.

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 8:17 a.m. CST

    I was kidding Jarv

    by just pillow talk

    and I find that quite funny he would say that, and quite in line with his typical responses. Much like the above response trying to defend his position on Supe Returns.

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 8:30 a.m. CST

    hah...good shagged a fat girl analogy

    by just pillow talk

    I'm sure you're right. <p>Where you at M-O-M?

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 8:41 a.m. CST

    he's paddington bear

    by just pillow talk

    take off that hat and coat and be a real bear!

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 8:53 a.m. CST

    I find Animalstructure much more repulsive...

    by just pillow talk

    even though M-O-M at first seems like he's listening to your opinion, and then becomes a gigantic prick. Only his opinion matters it seems.

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 9:04 a.m. CST

    How could a sequel possibly work?

    by Movietool

    What scriptwriter could possibly pull something good out of the big ball of crap that Singer left us with at the end of SR? <p>First of all, Superman isn't Superman anymore - he's a super creepy peeping tom who does nothing but strike crucifiction poses. <p>Lois is a dud whose character was so uninteresting I barely remember what she had to do with the movie. <p>The kid was simply crap. I should have been having a blast watching Superman wrap iron girders around bank robbers and out-witting Lex Luthor. Instead, I got to try and figure out what the hell was wrong with this kid, and why if he's so sickly all the time he can suddenly push pianos around. It made no sense. At all. <p>Oh, and apparently Kryptonite is only deadly and causes Superman to lose all his strenght when it's convenient for the scriptwriters. Despite the fact that it's been established that merely being within ten feet of a baseball-sized chunk of K is enough to make Superman go limp with sickness, he can lift AN ENTIRE MOUNTAIN OF THE STUFF INTO SPACE before being affected. Changing the rules to suit what you want is lazy, lazy, writing and worse storytelling.<p>And some of you think Singer is suddenly going to turn that turd of a set-up into a gold nugget of a sequel? Ugh. Bring on Justice League, maybe Miller will understand the character.

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 9:39 a.m. CST

    hindsight is 20/20 as well

    by cloudrider`

    hype has nothing to with it. there are movies that can still deliver even after all the hype - batman begins, spidey 2, the LOTR trilogy, to name a few. if the quality of the movie cannot beat the hype, then it's the movie's fault, not the marketing, not our expectations. i'm not a fan of donner film either. just saw it again not too long ago and found it very mediocre. but they were trying something new back then. singer on the other hand, has all the resources and technology, the hindsight, to create something fresh. dont tell me that's the best they could up with after 20 years. and comparing this to tim burton's aborted supes is such a lame defense. you can compare a bad movie to a worse movie, and it still wouldn't make the first one better.

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Singer's big mistake was casting for Chris Reeve

    by Snookeroo

    and NOT casting for Superman. I am a life-long Superman fan. I wanted SR to be THE Superman film. It, unfortunately, was a train wreck. Period. The very best thing they can possible do for Superman fans is re-boot this thing (no origin, please); forget Singer's travesty ever happened, get some decent casting (dump Routh and his kid sister, Lois), and FIND A GOOD STORY -- there is, after all, seventy years of lore to sort through.

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 9:47 a.m. CST

    memories of murder

    by ironic_name

    is a neat film.<P>I've not paid any attention to the tber with that screenname, and suggest if he annoys you so, do the same.

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 10:43 a.m. CST

    OY Lost Jarv

    by boyblue

    Lay off Geordies!! We are by no means as bad as Scousers!!

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Is it too much to ask

    by samurai sark

    to have Singer and Routh try one more time? Most of the problems people have were with: <br><br> The Kid<br> The Kryptonite Island<br> The Voyeurism<br> <br> Well all that shit comes from the writers. So since Singer is getting new writers, shouldn't that be good news?<br><br> Before Singer was hired we were going to have Mr Cloverfield tossing Superman into snow fights with talking polar bears, and Lex as an alien! Singer made the decision to go the Donner route because "Superman I" is and will remain the most respected and cherished comic book film.<br><br> I side with a lot of people when I say I found "Superman Returns" action-slacked and dull. But if Singer wasn't hired we would have had something much much worse. <br><br> I say give them a second shot. Singer had a good idea by following the established film canon, but was aiming for the moon to make a 'classic' film. He did find Routh, who looks the part but hasn't shown every side of Kal/Clark/Superman by a long shot. I think the guy still has his work cut out for him if he plans on wearing the suit, but he's got potential. <br><br> The story is the writers fault.<br><br> End. <br><br>

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 11:02 a.m. CST

    the Kid could be terrible and cheesy........

    by boyblue

    But I have faith that they wont go the route of having him do a fly-by with Superman at the end of the film or anything like that!! If handled correctly it could work! Why is it such a bad thing for Supes to have a kid??

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Having a kid

    by samurai sark

    changes what Superman is about. As the last of his kind, he had that detachment from humanity. So much so that he was willing to travel through space for half a decade just to check out the REMAINS of his planet. Not his planet, just the REMAINS. <br><br> But now, he's got a kid. A little piece of his Kryptonian legacy will live on after Kal dies or is killed in duty. <br><br> Now his chief goal is to protect his kid. All the other people on the planet, including Lois, and Ma Kent, will quickly become second place if his son is in danger. <br><br>

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 11:47 a.m. CST

    singer is to blame!

    by cloudrider`

    it was HIS idea. fact. not anyone else's. the writers were just there to turn his idea into a screenplay. but then, if a film sucks it's always the director's fault. never the producers, never the writers. any director worth a damn will tell you just that. no matter how many studio interferences he has endure, in the end it's HIS baby, warts and all. and stop making lame excuses that it's better than the other alternatives - burton, abrams, etc. the point is that it can STILL be better than what it is. it's been 20 years in the making. if singer cant make magic the first time, he doesnt deserve a second chance.

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 12:01 p.m. CST

    the kid is unnecessary

    by cloudrider`

    is it possible to write a cool superman story without the kid? for damn sure! so why add this baggage? it's just there to 'surprise' us, to 'change' thing just for the sake of changing things. it's not needed. what's next now? the two of them are gonna fly around in matching spandex as a dynamic duo? why not add the dog from the cartoon while we're at it.

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 12:37 p.m. CST


    by samurai sark

    I agree it should have been better. But I also believe Singer can learn from his first and make a better second. He's a professional after all. <br><br> And I don't think its a lame arguement to bring in the alternatives. Without comparisons, how can we judge anything?

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 1:10 p.m. CST

    The sad, sad fact is people

    by samsquanch

    we may be old men before we actually see a good Superman film made. I don't know about you, but I remember the first Donner film, I saw it in the theater. Even then I thought it was kind of crappy. When I heard that Singer was making a sort-of remake, I held high hopes. Too bad for me. Now I'll probably have to wait another 20-30 years for another swipe at the character and his world, and that'll put me at what, 65? If I still care at that point that'll be the real tragedy. <p> The prototypical superhero, the original superhero story, is still the one we haven't gotten yet. What the fuck is wrong with the world?

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 1:41 p.m. CST

    why can't Warner just transport Smallville to the big screen?

    by chien_sale

    I'm not a Welling fan but the show have had more hit than misses. This series has been great for Superman, quite a success for Warner in updating the mythos. Why not just ask the creators to imagine a story that's set 5 years in the futur where Clark and the crew become the story of Superman in Metropolis with the same actors like Welling, Alison Mack, etc..? With all the failed attempts that have been done in the past years, from the JJ Abrams script to the last SR fuck ups, why not just go to what was successful, let the Smallville guys try their hands at it?

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 3:02 p.m. CST

    why can't Warner just transport Smallville to the big screen?

    by boyblue

    Because it sucks balls, and if it was set 5 years in the future welling would be pushing 40!!! And did I mention that Smallville sucks balls!

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Smallville on Film

    by samurai sark

    I don't watch it often, but isn't the Smallville tv show kind of campy? Would that work for a film?

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Im just wary

    by samurai sark

    of sitting through a two hour episode of Smallville. I want something with more substance. Oh, maybe they can mix "Superman Returns" with "Smallville" and make something serious AND entertaining. But how...

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 4:34 p.m. CST

    What worked from Superman

    by samurai sark

    Man, those that hated Superman really hated it! I'm so glad that these people aren't afraid to swear or use 8th grade level insults to illustrate their points. <br><br> So there must've been SOME good things about the last movie. I know we hated the Kid, the stalking, the Kryptonite island, and the lack of action. But I thought the Suit was done well. I liked the link to the Donner films, it gives them longevity. <br><br>The Fortress, The Daily Planet, Metropolis, and the Kent Farm all LOOKED amazing. Well built, well lit, well shot.<br><br> Also, the Marlon Brando CGI should come back for the sequel. His portrayl of Jor-EL was legendary (and really fun to impersonate.)

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Ghost Rider was crap...

    by Kid Z

    ... but enjoyable crap. I mean, the comic was pretty cheesy, too... the movie just perfectly captured that slipshod wackness. Besides, you got to look at Eva Mendes. She can't act, but she's nice to look at. All I'm saying is, there needs to be a "Shit, but watchable shit" category

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Lost Jarv

    by Prossor

    who are AS/ SF?

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Routh needs some serious weight training...

    by Kid Z

    ...if he wants to be Supes again... bulk the guy up, he's way too skinny. And redesign that damn costume to something more in keeping with the standard Supes costume in the comics... for one thing, make the S-shield a lot bigger and don't worry about it being 3-dimensional. And for crying out loud, ditch Singer. He just doesn't have the chops to do Superman.

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Black Mercy again...

    by Kid Z

    ...It'd work... Supes was put under the influence of the Black Mercy, SR was just a twisted nightmare, a hallucination caused by the coma-inducing alien plantform... the kid never existed and Lois was never a 19 year old, anorexic waif. And yeah... I wouldn't want to piss off Alan Moore either... the movie version of Legion of Extraordinary Gentlemen put me through a wringer too and I was just an innocent audience-member, not the writer of the excellent graphic novel that hack Stephen Norrington took a sledgehammer to. Change the Black Mercy to a similar alien lifeform... call it The Flower of Hell or something... just any method they need to negate the plot of SR!

  • Jan. 9, 2008, 3:21 a.m. CST

    singer dont deserve 2nd chance.

    by cloudrider`

    here's why: he's not a geek director. jackson, raimi, cameron, wachowski - these are geek directors. their childhood forged by comics and science fiction. you can see in their action scenes that the little boy inside them never truly grows up. <p> singer on the other hand, belong in the same group as fincher, aronofsky, nolan, etc. they can craft truly brilliant stories, but i doubt they have the imagination for designing spectacles. that's why the x-men films always feel so small. all those superpowers around, and the best singer could do is a one-on-one fight. and when he tries to be play a geek, the result is downright idiotic - magneto with his idiotic plot/machine to turn human into mutants, lex and his island. he doesnt have it. it's been proven again and again. no need to see him screw up another shot. <p> it's time to hire a geek director for the next movie.

  • Jan. 9, 2008, 3:29 a.m. CST


    by cloudrider`

    all those names above - nolan, fincher, aronofky, singer... actually any one of these guys can truly work wonder with watchmen. it's just the perfect comic material for these names. too bad the studio opted the predictable way and just hired the darling of the week. 300 is all action, while there's almost no action at all watchmen. missed the ball big time those studio farts!

  • Jan. 9, 2008, 3:51 a.m. CST

    nolan's bat vs. singer's supes

    by cloudrider`

    notice that nolan's bat lacks action as well. one of the smartest director in hollywood and he cant come up with one memorable action piece. that's cause he got smart. he grew up. <p> that's why the moment bale dons the mask, the movie starts to feel stupid. ra's' plan to destroy gotham is just as idiotic as magneto's or lex's plan. the same with scarecrow's exit in the film. both singer and nolan have no clue how to design superhero customes either. <p> what saves nolan is that batman has no superpowers. the best you can ask from a batman film in terms of action is perhaps a cool car chase or fight scene. anything bigger and it'd look unbelievable in that world. but with something like superman, just like spider-man, you have the license to go absolutely crazy! if the best you could think of is for supes to lift plane/car/boat/statue/whatever(for pete's sake, how many more stuffs can he lift in that one movie??? is he a dock worker or superman?), then you just know the director simply dont have the imagination.

  • Jan. 9, 2008, 4:22 a.m. CST

    cloudrider - That's 3 very cogent insightful posts

    by Live.

  • Jan. 9, 2008, 6:18 a.m. CST

    there's no way he's banned

    by just pillow talk

    Just hasn't shown up. Jarv, did you see that Stallone is coming back for more questions?

  • Jan. 9, 2008, 8:15 a.m. CST

    oh joy joy joy joy joy

    by just pillow talk

    Stallone comes back...drippy little whores get booted.

  • Jan. 9, 2008, 9:55 a.m. CST

    you gotta stop with the jumping the gun....

    by just pillow talk

    drippy little whores are notoriously hard to get rid of, much like the rashes they give.

  • Jan. 9, 2008, 5:34 p.m. CST

    vilest fascists

    by Prossor

    hey they sound committed! whatd they do??

  • Feb. 12, 2010, 7:16 a.m. CST

    Testing out multiple accounts?

    by orcus