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Spielberg to follow Indy with Borat as Abbie Hoffman in THE TRIAL OF THE CHICAGO SEVEN?
Hey folks, Harry here... Sacha Baron Cohen may be one of the most interesting comedic and emerging dramatic talents we have. He's sworn to never again become Borat or Ali G. He is apparently a method performer that so dissolves into his characters that he won't come out for months. Really living in their mindset and costumes. It's amazing.
Well it seems that Steven Spielberg has taken notice and cast Sacha as Abbie Hoffman in THE TRIAL OF THE CHICAGO SEVEN. Now Sacha is probably absolutely perfect casting... but what happened to our Liam Neeson LINCOLN film? Well... seems the times, they are a changing... either that or Stevie is just complicating his future - thus making us pay attention and wait to see who gets called to set - when he starts his post Jones adventure. Read more about the project and this announcement at Variety! This would be a very interesting film for Spielberg and Cohen.
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I like-a da Borat as Hoffman! Jagsemasch!
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Yeah, that was Rickey... ...and six other guys.
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Jan 02, 2008 2:55:14 PM CST
Won't he still be in his Sweeny Todd character, then?
by strongbadmonkey
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That would be something.
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that sucks for Brett Morgen who made a movie called Chicago 10 that coming out .
http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/chicago10/
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Can't wait for Indy 4 but wish Spielberg would supplement more fun action projects like it with the heavy(and often boring) ones.
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I thought Vincent D'Onofrio handled some business on this one.
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In the Vanity Fair article, the writer mentions that they seen several pictures of these actors on Spielberg's table for possible roles in this movie... Interesting indeed!
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Kind of redundant.
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Im assuming this is a serious role? He turns into his characters in real life? Sounds like fun. Whats this about again?
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Y'all should know, Shia was awesome in I ROBOT... So we can expect the same this time around.
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Just wondering...
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This projects sounds awesome too. I can't wait for whatever Spielberg does next.
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Chicago 10 is a documentary that Spielberg is executive producing. The VF article mentions his Chicago 7 will be based in part off this documentary.
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Not a documentary. Animated film, and he just looks to be distributing it.
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Silverfingers fascists POSTS on the GREAT DEBATERS TB.I can see them in the overview,but when I try to enter it is all gone!Can somebody tell me how it works?If they deleted that SHIT it is a good thing!
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I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't Shia LaBouf be playing Abbie Hoffman. This is a SPIELBERG film, right???
Just saying.
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Jan 02, 2008 3:51:40 PM CST
wait a second... where did I just read this article a few days a
by theredtoad
Was it CHUD? Yes! Yes I believe it was !
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Are you one of the shamed and humiliated frat guys from Borat or something?
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Or about the baseball scandal?
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Talk about your worthless 'news' item.
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That makes two of us who read. B^)
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I feel bad, maybe it was his schedule that stalled Lincoln. I just hope they finally do it, apparently Liam has been researching the role like a madman.
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Scanning back thru the responses, i see several more folks pointed this out. I stand corrected. B^)
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"I'm doing this film for the fans" that means "Stop fucking with me. My agent told me i'm getting too personal with my work so i need to reconect with the big audiences. So this is my last film for the geeks out there. After that, leave me alone with my demons and billions of dollars OK?
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Look at me, I'm a walking talking stereotype! ha ha ha, fart, poop, laugh with me!
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This was all in the new Vanity Fair Indy IV article AICN posted that Spielberg was making LINCOLN with Liam Neeson after he made the Chicago 7 movie with Borat. This is like when you made a big deal about George Lucas wearing the "Han Shoots First" T-Shirt even though everybody already knew about it from the first video of Harrison Ford back in the Indy costume on the official site a week earlier!
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I can't wait for it to come out. If they were to market it right I think it could be a huge indie hit. Unfortunately the trailer doesn't begin to show, A: how inventive the narrative is, and B: how fascinating the documentary footage is. It's an incredibly well directed film and I can't wait to see it again. Since so much of the documentary is the reenacted trial, I wonder what new things a dramatic version of the story would offer. But Cohen is great casting for Hoffman. I really liked Vince D'nof's performance in Steal This Movie, but didn't fully capture how wild and funny Hoffman could be. I think Cohen will bring both sides to the film. Can't wait. But yes, I too was looking forward to Lincoln.
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As of only a few months ago, you claimed to have not even SEEN Borat and that you just had no interest in it... and then you come around here with an intro like that. What the fuck is that all about? Do you have ANY real opinions of your own that you actually STICK TO without waffling based on the opinions of your comrades and peers???
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Dont get me wrong, Schindler's list was a great film, but the berg's oscar attempts always seem a little shallow and trite. Munich, Amistad, and yes, even Saving Private Ryan, come off as a popcorn director's IDEA of "serious" films rather than the real thing. I'm not sure if its because his camerawork always retains the summer blockbuster style as opposed to those used by indipendent film makers or because of his obvious sentimentalism, but the films end up being coming across as ham-fisted.Oh, I love Speilbergian popcorn flicks as much as the next guy. I also believe it is that sentimentality that makes his summer films resonate with audiences more than any other blockbuster film maker, but in my opinion, it is that same candy-coated syrup that makes his oscar-bait films feel a little juvenile.
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I was writing that one in a big hurry.
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I blame on his pussification over the years. He's at his best when he's willing to take risks. His recent movies have felt very safe, with small hints of old school experimental spielberg in there somewhere. It's like the difference between the 3 indy movies. Last crusade is his least risky, most kiddy of them and it's pretty lame. Good popcorn afternoon fun non the less but not as memorable as the heart grabbing and eyeball eating or the crazy chinese kid. I'd say that's how hollywood is now. Many movies today are the safe manufactured off the blockbuster line kinda shit and that's not leaving any real impression on us. Disney's obviously not takin risks anymore, also and pixar's starting to feel less experimental as well... the trend needs to stop, so says me.
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Jan 02, 2008 5:31:55 PM CST
they oughtta change the name of this site to AINT IT OLD NEWS...
by jacksonspole
jeez, i wanna work on this site. all you have to do is browse through other websites and post movie news items that are already days old and covered more extensively elsewhere. what has happened to this site!? it really was cool once...
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and found it to not at all be what the trailers made me think it was. As a result, Sacha fascinates me.
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Jan 02, 2008 5:38:15 PM CST
and, pipple, spielberg just made the best movie of his career.
by jacksonspole
it's called munich. check it out. it's far from safe, and by far his most controversial film. not to mention his most nuanced. he's a popcorn filmmaker. always has been. the fact that he's becoming more overtly political shows that he's growing. sure, he dips back into the popcorn bucket. he basically invented the modern popcorn flick. but, my respect for the man has grown by leaps and bounds over the past few years. though, i really hated 'war of the worlds'...
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I think the big problem with Crusades is that it just feels like a smaller, less epic film. The holy grail is nowhere near as important or awe-inspiring as the ark. The tank scene, although cool, only involves a tank, a horse, and a lot of bland scenery, unlike the multiple car/horse chase in Raiders. The climax in Raiders takes place in a giant, open area filled with a hundred people getting flame-broiled, acomponied by some of the most awe-inspiring crescendos ever composed by Williams. In crusades, its an indoor soundstage with about a dozen people rolling around on the floor and I cant even begin to remember the tune that was used for the film. As far as Spielberg's current career status is concerned, I dont know whether he's being less or more risky, but I do know that a lot of his films are much smaller than they used to be, and a heck of a lot more joyless, too.
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but whadda bout Freddy Mercury whadda bout Lincoln...ahh who cares
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Neither is that great of an album, but If You Leave Me Now on 10 is a really good song. Oo-oo-oooh no baby please don't go.
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The film feels like something's missing... Saw it in theaters and while it's good, it felt safe, too clean. It needed to be dirtier. I didn't care about most of the characters and the violence didn't feel as ballsy and hard ass as stuff like in city of god, which I saw before munich and is the better movie by a hell of a mile.
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the fact that Speilberg is directing an Aaron Sorkin script. The newer mature Speilberg with that kind of material and a script from the one of the best writers in the world (never mind the US)... chill's. Looking forward to this one.
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He has You!
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Crusade's a typical third movie in that it feels like part retread and part half assed attempt to surpass the first two which never ever works. Maybe it was a result of temple of doom's reaction that the berg played it safe. Doom probably wasn't received well because it departed so much from the indy formula. Don't get me wrong though, I think berg's still a great director, he just seems to be struggling to top himself these days. Maybe he was too good.
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Jan 02, 2008 6:09:30 PM CST
Spielberg is by far the most fascinting filmmaker in the world
by proman1984
No question about it. I loved Munich, those who expected the film to be "dirtier" missed the point of the movie.
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It wouldn't be Spielberg AT ALL if it was fully gritty or anything vaguely like City Of God in tone or execution. How is Spielberg playing it safe just because his visions don't fall in line with yours? I can understand not being a champion for Munich, but citing it as an example of him playing it safe is just silly. It's like NOTHING he's ever done before- for better or for worse. As for Disney... name a single "risky" thing they have done since Fantasia. Disney has always been a constant evolution of execution but of the same basic formula- from day 1. There have been fits and starts along the way and some MAJOR missteps, for sure... but they always come back and personally I think they're on their way into another of their renaissances. Again, to not like Disney is one thing, but to accuse a studio that has rarely EVER altered its basic formula as playing it safe LATELY is silly too. And Pixar?!??! What the hell??? Now THERE are some risk takers in just about every sense of the term. For fuck's sake... their next movie is a family movie with almost NO dialogue... and it is about a TRASHCAN falling in love. It may not be Larry Clark or Ralph Bakshi or Stanley Kubrick, but in its genre, that's risky as fuck. Now, don't get me wrong... I do NOT disagree with the idea that AS A WHOLE, film these days isn't risky... but to use as examples: a filmmaker that has recently made the riskiest movie he's made in 30 years, a studio that has NEVER been known for its risk-taking and another that was BUILT on a risk and continues to not only challenge itself, but its audience (OK, maybe not with Cars)... is just bad debate.
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But you still flop the flip pretty damn often lately.
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That this movie coming out in an election year will in no way become political somehow. Nope.....not gonna happen.
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Munich is most deffinitely NOT the best film of Spielberg's career! As far as contraversy is concerned, yeah, its HIS most contraversial film, but its an extremely tame and shallow examination of a much deeper subject. And I've a hard time assigning the term "nuanced" to that film. I mean, come on, do you not remember the world trade center scene?
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That sex scene towards the end was probably the single worst scene Spielberg's produced in his entire career. First off, all sex and death...massive cliche. Not that Spielberg's ever steered clear of cliches. Sometimes he's made them work for him. But slow motion sex with sweat flying everywhere intercut with the Munich fiasco finally playing back in flashback...it was just plain silly. It knocked the movie down a notch or two in my estimation. A scene that was supposed to be the emotional high point of the movie became something that looked like the Nike sex workout or the Ian McShane sex scene in Sexy Beast. Just bad.
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"That sex scene towards the end was probably the single worst scene Spielberg's produced in his entire career"
You are a moron who just didn't get it. Just admit it. The fact that you reduce the scene to sex and death proves you shallowness. That's not what the scene is about. And I'm not going to spell it out for you. -
and, i did find it nuanced. i didn't say realistic. but, nuanced the way the great political thrillers of the 70's were. like day of the condor, parallax view, etc. it wasn't trying to be city of god. but, it certainly wasn't shallow. it has a lot on it's mind. and, it deals with a complex issue in a thriller setting. and, remember, this is spielberg. and, for my money, munich is his best film. and, proman is right the sex scene isn't about sex. it's about his inability to connect with his wife any longer. his inability to connect with the dreams and beliefs that he once held. it's a brilliant movie about a man who enters a situation with one set of ideals, and when he exits that situation (which he believed would only strengthen those beliefs) finds that it was all an illusion. it's a great movie. i'm sorry you didn't find it as compelling as i did...
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That is the strangest criticism of a film I have ever encountered.
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I can't speak for proman, but I totally understood the message of that sex scene. An inability to understand that scene, or the other ones, isn't hte problem. The fact that the scene was about as subtle as a sledge hammer is the main issue and the reason nuanced isn't exactly applicable to Munich.That said, I actually did enjoy Munich, flaws and all. Believe it or not, I'm that way with most films: I'll love them, find some flaws in them, and love them anyway (sometimes even BECAUSE of the flaws). But Munich illustrates Spielberg's rather elementary and simplistic take on serious subject matters.
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WHERE'S MY CLOSE ENCOUNTERS SEQUEL!!!
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As though the conversation that was going on between Bana and Rush (to say nothing of the overall plot) didnt draw a big enough parallel between the Israeli and US terrorist responses, Spielberg then inserts a fadeaway image of the twin towers! I mean, if that isn't a winning argument for Spielberg's lack of subtlety as a director, then I guess I'm talking to a lot of Bay fans or something! Just so you know, jackson, I was only being facetious and am really not trying to insult you--just having some fun is all. ;)
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Because that's what we need...more opportunities for the Baby Boomers to talk about themselves.
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...the man can direct and produce six good quality projects at the same time. Sounds like Chicago Seven is either another Munich (first draft to screen in a breakneck 9 months with 'berg as director) or some backburner project he'll produce in between takes for Lincoln. Either way I'm there on both counts. But the one I'm REALLY waiting for is 'Interstellar' 'Berg and Kip Thorne are going to fucking PWN 2009/10!!!!!!!
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... and Sascha Baron Cohen's like, 9'7"?
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wake me when the 60s are finally fucking over
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first of all, i have a broken leg from when a dude blindsided me while i was riding my bike. so yeah. i'm basically stuck in my house for a month. second of all, i am a movie geek. that's what we all are on this site. i have no problem admitting it. so, are you. you post on the talkbacks, you are in the same boat as me. and, i bring this fact up because it's becoming a trend with this site. just to throw up news that's been bouncing around for weeks (not hours) or so, without really finding out anything 'cool' or 'new'. i can do that. it's just a shame to me. i really liked visiting this site. now, it's just a bunch of stolen 'stories', terrible reviews and snarky comments about directors they hate. i have a legitimate right to critique the site. and, you have a legitimate right to keep on being a douche...
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no matter who's standing next to harry, he'll never look like a 'porn god'...
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Spielberg said NOTHING, not one little thing, of any relevance about Israel/Palestine and took nearly 3 hours to do it.
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Jan 02, 2008 8:22:56 PM CST
Cameron1, the fuck do you know about Israel/Palestine conflict?
by proman1984
Judging by your comment, not much.
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It said nothing new, insightful or meaningful but it felt like Spielberg was practically screaming "this IS meningful, I'm an artist." A whole lot of empty gestures.
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But it is HARDLY Spielberg's best. Just because he got political doesn't make him any more mature. Spielberg on the Chicago 7? Why? Spielberg was never a political guy, he wasn't a hippie or anything like that. Hell, watch his short film Amblin'; you could interpret it as viewing hippies as wolves dressed as sheep (and interestingly predicting the fall of the counterculture and the rise of the yuppies). So this would seem more like empty Oscar-bait, as it seems to have little/no personal relevance for Spielberg.
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Jurassic Park. Everything after I just rolled my eyes at. I dropped off the Spielberg bandwagon.
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Great t-shirt seen at the last DNC in Chicago "Chicago Police Department: We kicked your parents asses in 1968, now it's YOUR turn."
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You rolled your eyes at Private Ryan, Schindler's List, Munich, Catch Me If You Can, Minority Report, AI? It's as bad as your non-response to why Children of Men was boring...you need to lose your talkback name, your embarrassing the name of Skywalker
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The only ones I rolled my eyes at were AI, Amistad, Terminal, and parts of Munich and Saving Private Ryan.
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The only reason I rolled my eyes with SPR was due to the fictional plot deviceof rescuing a single private at the expense of an entire company as opposed to using something more akin to Band of Brothers. That said, it was still a damn good film.
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So it's his inability to connect with his wife in sex as depicted by violently humping his wife? And that's not a cliche either? I'm sorry, but be it the "sex and death parallel" or the "hump happy scarred vet", it's still a cliche I've seen done better in dozens of other movies. It's a bad idea badly executed.
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I meant "company" in the figurative sense, not literally, of course, as it was actually a section that went out after Ryan. Yeah, I know--I'm anally retentive. sorry.
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This will be better than "Chicago 10" which I wasted 2 hours of my life on at Sundance '07. Garbage. It ended up making Abbie look like a flake and a complete tool. During the protest it appeared he was trying to provoke the cops into shooting someone to draw attention to his cause. The cheesy animation killed the flick as well. Hope Ali G gets it right this time.
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Mission accomplished. Seeing "Wolfman Nards" as the subject line is extremely satisfying. But we'll have to agree to disagree. I found him to be one of the funniest parts of Taladega Nights. I thought that everything else about the movie was pretty mediocre.
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Roy Scheider's voice work as the senile judge- pretty damn funny at times, and his voice was completely unrecognizable. But this was only one bright spot (a corn kernel?)in what was, otherwise, a turd of a film.
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Is it the 'in thing' in these talkbacks to disparage Spielberg? I'm not kidding. I haven't been posting for very long, so perhaps beating up on the guy is what earns you 'street cred' here. For me, growing up, he was a prolific filmmaker. Probably THE filmmaker that got me interested in the artform. Why? Because he wasn't making deep, introspective issue-driven movies like The Deer Hunter or Kramer Vs. Kramer. Don't get me wrong, they're both terrific movies and great commentaries on their time. But as an 8-year-old, I just didn't connect with them. Instead, Spielberg was making fun, scary movies. Movies that made me wonder about what was in the water or in the closet, or what came from the sky? Now THAT was the shit I thought about. Okay, he might not be the most 'serious' filmmaker out there, or the smartest even. But fuck did the guy (and his buddy George Lucas) ever know how to jumpstart imaginations. Sell tickets. Get people into seats. Get them talking about going to the movies again - and all at a time when theatre attendance was in an overall decline. Not to mention their proteges like Robert Zemeckis, Joe Dante and Chris Columbus. These guys fucking crafted the modern cinematic experience (and still are). We wouldn't even be talking about J.J. Abrams, Shaymalan or Whedon if it weren't for them. I'm shaking my head here. I honestly don't get it. I sincerely hope someone can give me a coherent, sensible arguement for all the anti-Spielberg sentiment on this site. Maybe then I'll 'get it' and join the talk back inner circle. lol
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Answe this then, if it "said nothing new, insightful or meaningful" then how come so MANY people were pissed off and and labeled the movie controvercial. I guess you just can't please the glibs.
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though i have to say serious doubts about him outside of his own creations...he was underwhelming in the Talladega Nights and even his guest in Curb...
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... too bad he checked out when he did. We sure could use him around here today.
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I cannot answer for others, but the reason I flame Spielberg, who, as you said, is THE director of the modern blockbuster, is because after Jurrassic Park, he stopped making the sort of films you and I grew up with. That sort of thing does make a man peeved, but when you compare his "thoughtful oscar nominee" films with his abandoned popcorn affair flicks, it was clear that he wasn't as good at the former as he was at the latter. The exception to this was Schindler's List, which, alongside raiders, I consider his master work. Just my opinion, though.
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the controversy for Munich was very, very nill. The only ones complaining were those that felt it was too simple and, of course, the muslims.
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The man is great, yes haters, IS, not was, IS great. Munich, Minority Report, Catch me if you can, SPR, even parts of AI and WotW is better than 95 percent of what' out there. He's changed since the 70's and 80's, but so has everything and everyone...All of his films are entertaining and watchable, most of contemporaries aren't even making films anymore, and no one is as good.
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You're absolutely right about his work being significantly better than other films, but you have to admit that his newer films arent as good as his earlier work.
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Jan 02, 2008 10:32:33 PM CST
MUNICH WAS CONTROVERSIAL BECAUSE IT HUMANIZED THE PALESTINIANS
by bringingsexyback
But I agree that the controversy is an empty one. Spielberg, maker of Schindler's List and benefactor of the Shoah Project, got bashed by the Zionists and labeled a traitor. Just another example of how lunatic they are.
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Jan 02, 2008 10:37:21 PM CST
ALTHOUGH SPIELBERG'S EARLIER WORK REMAINS CLASSIC AND PERFECT
by bringingsexyback
like E.T., which just last week put tears in my eyes, the world is much richer with films like Munich and even WOTW, which despite its faults was groundbreaking when it came out.
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Everyone knows that you are a raving antisemitic (this goes beyond zionism) lunatic. I don't know what your have to benefit from but I don't give a flying fuck. In any case, my entire argument is that and Munich worked, worked on entirely different level than you are trying to make it seem.
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Feel free to shut the fuck up but I speak for myself and certainly don't need your advice. You have your viewpoint and I have mine on the subject of Munich. That's what makes art, art. On the matter of A.I., I don't care enough about you to "make fun" of you.
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You are so ignorant. Where did Spielberg compare the Mossad team's actions to that of the terrorists? Avner was questioning the morality not of killing the terrorists involved but of the unending cycle of violence brought about by killing innocent bystanders and those not involved with Munich. And if you're unaware of how much of a backlash Spielberg received from Zionist aficionados and organizations, then that's just a byproduct of your ignorance, not a reflection of reality. Make myself "feel better"? Yes, I feel better when I don't wallow in utter ignorance.
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And the hippie purge begins.
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That was symbolized by the final shot of the WTC in the background, which caused an uproar over the suggestion that the Israel/Palestinian conflict had any relation to 9/11. Do you enjoy being stupid?
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Order 66 is the Daley family code for registering the dead as voters and having them vote in the election.
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the D Day Invasion is great, but then the movie turns into some weird ass chase film. Catch Me If You Can was okay. But, again, it made the bad guy the hero at the end instead of Tom Hanks.
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my favorite Spielberg films. They got me into movies.
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Really abstract question, do you live in MN?
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Jan 03, 2008 12:13:58 AM CST
BringingSexyBack, do you even UNDERSTAND what zionism is?
by proman1984
You are either stupid or a troll. Either way, equating the criticism that came from the Jewish side with Zionism is wrong.
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Jan 03, 2008 12:19:44 AM CST
BACCI40 - NICE. YOU GOT AN OVEN TO TOAST MUSLIMS IN TOO?
by bringingsexyback
You fucking cowardly fascist. For your edification, the Holocaust affected (i.e. murdered) millions of Gentiles so if you think WWII gives justification for Israel to commit democide then you're as retarded, stupid and plainly hypocritical as any Zionist to crawl out of the gutter. "Jew-hater"? What a lame and ineffectual putdown coming from a neo-fascist assfuck like yourself. What are you doing on a Talkback anyway? Why aren't you hunting down Hamas and bulldozing Palestinian homes and farms? Maybe you're looking for an Arab to pwn in the name of the Holocaust? You're a joke.
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A half hour scene of drums.
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but you really need to find a more appropriate segue to introduce an anti-Rambo diatribe than a post directed at me. Now wipe the egg off your face and try again.
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as inspiration for how to treat Palestinians?
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they wouldn't be so damned uptight and democidal. Too bad.
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Dance!!
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Get it? Zion spelled backwards. hee
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Who the fuck appointed this BringingSexyBack hooplehead as the expert on all things Jewish? Does this cocksucker ever fuckin' talk about anything else besides Israel?I mean, who the fuck does he think he is, huh? Hearst?! Yankton?! Or is he just some lowlife heathen fuckin' cocksucker taking a shit in the thoroughfare?
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and leave Christ out of it.
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I just think upcoming "Rambo" looks terrible and you suck.
And don't pretend like you are an expert and defender of Palestenian people. I don't want them to die and suffer either. I just think it would be good if anyone in the Arab world actually gave a fuck about them and helped them. It wouldn't take much. As of right now, they are using them as sheep for provocation. Not that your birdbrain could understand that.
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Jan 03, 2008 1:06:22 AM CST
AL, DOES ONE HAVE TO BE JEWISH TO COMMENT ON JEWISH ISSUES
by bringingsexyback
Are Jews prohibited from talking about Christians? What's your point? I'm talking about Munich the movie in a Spielberg TB. What exactly upsets you so?
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It was widely documented in the Rambo TBs. I also think you suck. Now we're even.
To your dismay I am indeed very well-versed in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. And I think it would be good if Israel would stop treating them like sheeps to slaughter. That's my opinion. You don't like it, too fucking bad for you.
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when you start whistlin' a different fuckin' tune. You sound about as one fuckin' note as Memories-Of-Murder or that horse copulator, Equinas. And I do not fuckin' presume you want to be on the same fuckin' level as one who likes to suck the prick of the equine.
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don't make you a man.
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on ANY issues. I know this is AICN, but your (rather uncalled for) stubborness is suprising even for this place. FYI, you are talking to someone who actually lived in Israel. To me, this is not a matter of bias. There's nothing that I would like more than to see Palestinians leave in piece on their own piece of land. Any nation deserves that. I just think that your extreme one sided point of view offers neither a solution nor anything particularly meaningful. The fact that you keep bringing up "Zionism" every time is an immediate flag to me where you are coming from. I'm not falling for that anymore.
I don't hate Stallone. Deal with it. In fact, he used to be one of my favorite actors. It's just sad for me to see him doing something I personally find contemptible That goes for just ONE movie. If you want to extend this beyond that, be my guest. I don't care. This is the last time I waste my time on replying to you. -
Too bad that's our last exchange. I can actually appreciate that post. One doesn't need to resort to name-calling to make a point, right? It's clear to me that you really don't know where I'm coming from when I allude to Zionists. You're just put off by the term, but unfortunately it's not a term I invented, so I have no control over your gut-wrenching reaction to it. Anyway, sayonara. Been nice talking to you.
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A man doesn't harp on any such subject or steer a conversation as often as you're prone to lest he's got some vested personal interest or claim in the matter. But since I doubt you been grifted, I've got a feeling it's neither. I think you like to discuss this subject because you fancy that your declared well-versedness makes you look and feel morally superior. Which is to say, depending on the vantage, that you're probably neither right or wrong. However, it does make you look like a petty and vain bully. And much like the good Sherriff Bullock once said, you'll always know a bully because they don't know when to shut their mouth.
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Jan 03, 2008 2:05:18 AM CST
AL - CONSIDERING WE'RE ON SOMETHING CALLED "TALKBACK"
by bringingsexyback
you sure do miss the point of being here. Do you always take it upon yourself to (attempt to) censor people you disagree with here? How exactly was I this 'bully'? I posted my opinion and within minutes I was called "anti-semitic" and "jew-hater". So I responded in kind. Then you come along, all vulgar and loud, and equate me with a horse fucker (that really hurt, Al). I know it's because you guys couldn't back up your arguments that I came off as a bully in your eyes. But that doesn't make me on in fact, only one to you.
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I'll leave you alone now - don't want you to lose any sleep over some sentences.
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Much as I like Vincent D'Onofrio as an actor, his Abbie Hoffman was not up to the real man. Sacha Baron Cohen is a much better choice. His brand of humor is very similar to the techniques Hoffman employed in his activism. Hoffman's autobiography is one of the best books available on the 60's. I hope this project lives up to its potential...
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Here I am back at work and there is rampant racism in one TB and Brokeback has returned to his anti-zionism kick. What a shitty day. Careful, BSB, you don't want to squander your reinvention points do you? Now, on topic: Spielberg is currently a shadow of his former self. In my opinion, almost everything he has made since (and including) Hook is flawed if not poor- and includes some of the worst films ever made (Hook, AI and The Lost World). However, he still produces and directs movies at a quite staggering rate- and if he is on a current low streak, this is only by the standards he set in the 70's and 80's. I personally hope that munich is a turning point as I thought the first 2/3rds were simply amazing and then from killing the dutch hooker-assasin to the end dismal, unsubtle and unsatisfying. He isn't perfect (no-one is) but is still America's pre-eminent director, and if he is failing by his standards it is only because his standards are so much higher than everyone else's. And furthermore, look at the current output of his contemporaries: do any of them hold a candle to him? I'd argue that not one of them touches him in terms of amount and quality of output.
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"If it not big success, I will be execute"
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Wow. The easy answer as to why many people were pissed off was given by moondoggy, although he showed his stupid bigotry by throwing the muslim comment in there. It's more accurate to say that there were very pissed off fundamentalists on both sides, usually quite a good sign that you've said something worthwhile. Although in this case the issue is such that unless Spielberg made a film that wholly vindicated one side, said side would hate it. So kudos for Spielberg for trying a little balance but it was a shallow attempt. Ludicrously so for the subject matter at hand.
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The only good ones take place during WWII (Empire of the Sun/Schindler/Private Ryan). I'm not a fan of Color Purple/Amistad/Munich. I am hoping this one breaks the trend.
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C.G.I. Bulushi anyone????
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I'd say Catch Me if You Can with Minority Report a close second (would've been first had it not been for the last 15 minutes). Munich was decent enough, but that sex romp at the end was so of the worst directed/edited heavy handed garbage I've seen this side of Haggis-Crash. The Terminal was entertaining in a so-bad it's good kind of way.
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I know Im a day late on this thread, but sure enough...there's BSB swinging in from the rafters to steer the talkback into a Israel/Palestinian cul de sac. SHOCKER. And the disbelief that fellow TB's call him out on his anti'Zionist/Jew hating shtick...as if we haven't seen THAT song and dance before. Obviously Dancing With The Stars is between seasons.
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I actually think it is a bad film. Now bear with me on this, but I can explain myself. The Normandy landing was spectacular and a staggering cinematic achievement. But it is a high spot in an otherwise disappointing film. The opening and closing mawkishness in the cemetary is both bad storytelling and nauseatingly embarrasing film-making. It destroyed the lack of tension in the film by making it completely inevitable that Ryan would be saved. Once the (breathtaking) landing sequence was complete the main characters were introduced and a more cliche ridden, poorly scripted bunch they could not have been. The remainder of the film is listening to tedious, faux-weighty monologues that are supposed to give insights into the characters, but just add nothing apart from opportunities for the actors to make their oscar clip speech. War movies should have dialogue between the characters, banter, and never, ever, monologues. It is inelegant to say the least. The final battle is, again, fun. However, it is not a patch on the Landing, and as such feels anticlimactic after the early sequence. And as we already know that Ryan survives, and when the film opens he is at someone's grave it doesn't take a genius to work out that Tom Hanks is fucked. Then the film wallows in a bath of syrup again.Not to mention peoples problems with the premise. I'm not trying to take away from the Normandy Landing, but this is one (albeit brilliant) 20 minute sequence in a 3 hour movie. To ignore the flaws of the rest because of the technical and artistic genius of this scene is, I believe, deeply mistaken. cheers.
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would anyone else besides me like to see spielberg get to work on this badass sounding sci fi flick before anything else? i'm so much more fascinated by this than either lincoln or the chicago 7 but i'm sure those will be cool as well.
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Hippies were nothing but spoiled, lazy, bored, cowardly, violent, upper middle-class pricks. They are/were truly the worst generation. I can't stand the way baby-boomers try to validate just how useless they were. Hoffman was a suicidal nutcase who has somehow become cannonized along with other dead 60s losers who offed themselves because they couldn't hack reality. How 'bout that Hunter S. Thompson?
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And I have to agree with LostJarv.Never really thought about it before, but other than a few scenes, I really cant recall most of the film. I know its completely subjective,but truly GREAT films linger in the memory long after.
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Jan 03, 2008 10:29:57 AM CST
DOCTORWHO - YOU'RE ALWAYS A DAY LATE AND A DOLLAR SHORT
by bringingsexyback
And if you care to be the 3rd douche to try to censor me I'll gladly take you to task too.
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He's got a time machine.
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After the string of failures ending in that travesty Munich, it looked like Spielberg was getting back on track. First, return to his roots with Indy, then the Lincoln biop, then the scifi space adventure Intersteller. But now he had to wreck things with this paean to the sixties and student radicals. Sigh
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Do point out to yours truly where I engaged in backing an argument or attempted to censor your so called well-versed musings. All I fuckin' asked is who appointed you the Mayor of fuckin' Zion.
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Jan 03, 2008 11:21:50 AM CST
I am officially sick of most of you. Still, INDY 4 will OWN
by proman1984
YOUR ASS!
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Munich a travesty? Explain.
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When I read it in the Indy IV Vanity Fair article you linked on the site yesterday. :P
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was woeful. Like a little kid trying to direct a sex scene for the first time. I cringed at the cinema. Lots of good sequences in Munich though, it just didn't add up to a convincing whole for me. I hated that scene where the agents shared the flat for the night. Why make up crap like that? I'd like to see Spielberg make a Spielberg film for change, perhaps Jones will be that film. Whatever his misfires his filmography is one of the most consistent and interesting in the last 50 years of American cinema.
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Jan 03, 2008 1:39:17 PM CST
Yes, I'd rather watch Interstellar, Indy, or the Lincoln biopic
by terrymalloy
over this unneccesary flick but Spielberg can make any damn movie he wants. He has earned the right. As far as Munich, I found its lack of subtlety and nuance useful for those unfamiliar with the conflict. Sometimes when people are ignorant, you have to spell it out for them. Coming out of the movie, I was actually able to engage in a debate with someone who before would have cared less.
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Jan 03, 2008 1:44:15 PM CST
"Like a little kid trying to direct a sex scene for the first ti
by terrymalloy
How many little kids actually direct sex scenes kwisatzhaderach? Where did you grow up? I'm frightened.
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Having too many projects on his plate at once. That HAS to affect the quality. INTERSTELLAR is definitely the film I would like hime to do next. It was originally planned as a 2009 release. I am looking forward to 2009 more than any movie year ever. I think WATCHMEN and AVATAR are both going to be genre classics. How many of those have we had since the late 70's to the mid 80's? Five, maybe!
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Has that been said? Probably
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I hope so.
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but I feel like the subject matter works better as a documentary than a biopic like this seems to be.
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Exactly right, unfortunately a lot of their laziness rubbed off on Gen X. There is a lot of evidence that supports your assertion that Boomers are one of the worst generations in the US, including all time high rates of divorce, drug-use, crime and of course being the only generation of the 20th century that had to be FORCED to fight for their country. Unfortunately they have one last trick to play on society and that is their retirement. Because the majority of boomers have done a VERY poor job of providing for their retirement they are likely to bankrupt social-security. If you are Gen X, you will never see SS money for retirement due to the boomers laziness in leadership and selfishness of lifestyle.
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I have no interest in Tintin, and I don't like the idea of it monopolizing the talents of two directors. I'm actually not terribly excited for Indy 4 either, as I thought the original trilogy stood very well as a complete legacy on its own and having this film come along so late in the game gives me Phantom Menace style chills down my spine. The beard is still one of the most interesting directors working at any given time, and I'll always give anything he does a shot. He hasn't been quite as consistent in recent years as he used to be, but films like Munich and Minority Report show that he can still knock them out of the park when he wants. I'm really looking forward to Interstellar (even more so after Jonathan Nolan got on board.) I wish he would focus more on that type of thing, which seems to be an attempt to break ground and redefine popular film like he did with his greatest films in the prime of his career. I'm glad that it's guys like Spielberg and Cameron heralding what might be a 3D blockbuster revolution. I also like his more serious fare. I just wish he'd do less films like The Terminal, Tintin, The Lost World, even War of the Worlds.
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Where the hell is Interstellar? Why must the berg keep picking up a project every five seconds. I wants me a new sci-fi movie by the man himself :( ... He's conquered every genre possible, now let's go back to the roots of it all.. Space baby.
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Vietnam was hardly a "fight for their country," unless you are talking about some southeast asian generation, in which case, what does that have to do with my social security? Seriously, though, I wouldn't describe the baby boom generation (nor it's wing of hippies) as the "worst" generation in the US (not least because I'm not sure what you are comparing them to). They were and are better educated and more economically productive than any other generation saving their successors. As for their alleged "all time high rates" of drug-use and crime, I take it you aren't a student of history? I'll give you the divorce stat, but I'm not sure what the problem is there. If people want to get a divorce, why shouldn't they be able to? Finally, regarding social security, I guess you can sorta blame the boomers for not having enough kids, and for living longer than they were supposed to. Of course, they also *work* longer than they were supposed to, so it's entirely possible that social security will be just fine in the future--that's what projections based on reasonable economic growth say, anyway. I'm more worried about medicare/medicaid expenditures than social security.
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Typo, there. That should read "nor its wing of hippies". Apologies.
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his actings chops I would assume he'd be hard to beat. I suppose I should go out and steal the movie to get a real perspective,huh.
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Munich injected moral ambiquity (not to mention a number of historic inauuracies) into a situation where none exists. For a comparison, imagine a Schindler's List (IMHO Spielberg's greatest film) in which the Nazis were humanized and Schindler has doubts about the propriety of saving Jews.
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Of course Vietnam was fighting for your county. You just don't understand the nature of the cold war.
"They were and are better educated and more economically productive than any other generation saving their successors."
Nice try, EVERY generation fits that description.
Boomers indeed had more problems with drug use and crime rates were higher for that generation than any other in US history. Again, you don't know what you are talking about.
When boomers retire having set up massive entitlements for themselves with 3 retirees being supported for each taxpayer and we have 80% income tax rates you will get to witness the second US civil war. -
Abbie Hoffman was a useless douche who brought alot more negativity into the world than he took out. A lot of the counter culture were misguided idiots, just as any large conglomerate of people will be. Still doesn't mean they aren't ripe with interesting stories to make into films.
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"Munich injected moral ambiquity (not to mention a number of historic inauuracies) into a situation where none exists." As in Jews colonised a land already inhabited through the tools of violence and oppression? What did you expect from a Jewish director, he had to be sympathetic to his people, after all.
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Vietnam had nothing to do with fighting for anyones countries. Just preserving the status quo for a bunch of rich thieves. Which is why they had to be forced. Just because your a fucking cowardly turd who bows when hes told, doesn't mean others share your lack of spine.
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as a political film not so much. Oh well, it's still damn entertaining.
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...Americans had to be foreced to fight for their country in the following wars: American War Of Independence, The American Civil War, World War 1, World War 2 and The Korean War. You should also note that RECORDED crime rates were higher while boomers were alive. There was a ridiculously brief period between World War 2 and Vietnam where the world was just honky dory if you were a middle class white heterosexual male. Other than that, The Baby Boomer generation was no worse or better than those before or after.
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"3 retirees being supported for each taxpayer"? What the hell are you talking about? Do you really think all these apparently drug n' crime addled baby boomers are going to slaughter like five sixths of the rest of us? I guess that would constitute a second US civil war. Check your facts. The ratio runs the other way, and that's only IF the boomers choose to retire en masse at 62. Which they undoubtedly won't. Anyway, I'm not arguing with some mouth-foamer as badly informed as you especially given that all I ever sought to do was point out that your hyperbolic demonization of some hazily defined group (of millions of people with no unifying factor aside from approximate birthdate) is kinda foolish.
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not 16%, and I said taxpayers not citizens. And even if I had meant citizens, half our population will be illegals in the next 20 years. You need to learn the difference. Just because SS is taken out of your check doesn't mean thats where the bulk of the money is coming from. If you get all your money back that has been withheld, you don't pay taxes. Boomers have plenty that tie them together besides their birth dates such as the crime, divorce and drug statistics I pointed out prove.
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You need to stay off of the crazy liberal sites like daily KOS for your marching orders, they give you brain cancer. And yes, Boomers are a dismal failure as a generation. Witness Clinton and Bush as our two examples of their leadership. You're just another of the liberal cowards who populate these talkbacks who would shit themselves if they ever had to actually stand up for anything and fight for their country. Don't worry, we know you would shoot your mother in the back before standing up for anything.
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Ok friend, lay it all out for me. I want to see numbers, with links to sites backing them up. Explain to me exactly how 1) there will be three retirees per taxpayer at some point in the future (necessitating 80% income taxes), like you claim; and how 2) by 2028, as you claim "half our population will be illegals". You seem pretty confident, I assume therefore you've done your homework. Maybe you don't want to do a dissertation for the talkbackers--that's fair--but show me the evidence, and you just might convince me.
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That's funny!
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Thanks for failing to refute my facts. And yes, I am a dirty libertarian. And I would shoot YOU in the face if you tried to make me go and fight for your daddies interests abroad. If the boomers were such a failure, why the fuck are we in the Western world living the easiest and most affluent of lives humanity has yet known? Fucking halfwit.
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Was crap. Crap. Crap. Funny maybe for 13 year olds. But once you grow up, it aint too funny, kiddies.
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