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UPDATED!! Saget First SAG Guest To Cross CONAN Picket Line!! Candidate Huckabee First To Cross LENO Picket Line??
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David Letterman’s first post-hiatus guest tonight, now that “The Late Show” has its WGA writers back to work, is said to be Robin Williams.
So who’s the first to cross the picket line at Jay Leno’s “Tonight Show,” which has struck no accord with the WGA? Word has it that Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee will be the first to defy the union.
Will members of SAG follow suit? There’s no word yet on which big-deal movie and TV stars will follow Huckabee across the picket lines surrounding the stages of “Tonight,” “Late Night” and “Jimmy Kimmel Live.”
UPDATE: We have word that "Full House" vet Bob Saget, a longtime SAG member who ironically boasts "Sag" as part of his surname, has crossed the WGA picket line to appear on "Conan" to promote his NBC game show "1 Vs. 100."
All these shows today shoot their first new episodes since the WGA strike began Nov. 5:
Late Show With David Letterman: 11:35 p.m. Wednesday. CBS.
Tonight Show With Jay Leno: 11:35 p.m. Wednesday. NBC.
Jimmy Kimmel Live: 12:05 a.m. Wednesday. ABC.
Late Late Show With Craig Ferguson: 12:37 p.m. Wednesday. CBS.
Late Night With Conan O’Brien: 12:37 p.m. Wednesday. NBC.
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I hope Conan has someone a lot more interesting on later that night.
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I say we're gonna have a female president real soon. And I'm not exactly opposed to that.
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Huckabee is scary. This "Ordinary Joe" bit he is putting on isn't working for me. Listen to some of the things that he has said. His being "God's candidate," and stopping all Pakistanis at the border. Now he crosses picket lines.
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talk shows. I don't care about some washed up actors selling some shitty movie. And letterman's better off without writers. Look at how he raped that slutty cum bag hilton.
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And would that override any union rules? I'd be interested to know.
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Not surprised he'd be the first to fuck a union.
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Google up david Sirota or Patrick Cockburns articles on Huckabee.
Both are very left of center political columnists.
That said there are few if any REAL candidates for REAL prograssive antiwar Liberals to vote for. Dems have Kucinich and Gravel. Repubs have Paul. Greens have McKinney.
Nader endorsed Edwards which makes me wonder. Except Sirota compared Huckabees and Edwards economic populism.
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"Leno Sucks"?
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Go to hell, Leno and Conan!
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I am only interested in the shows with out riters. And I will probably will tune in to those shows.
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Will some one please inform him of this?
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The Screen Actors Guild is behind the Writer's Guild. I know it's not reported in the "big press" or bandied about on CNN or the AP, but actors and actress are supporting the strike. Why? Because in June, they will be striking for the EXACT SAME THINGS.
The president of the Screen Actors Guild has issued support for the WorldWidePAnts deal with the WGA. You will find very little A-list people crossing to other talk shows.
And honestly? If they do? They will lose my money. It might mean dick all in the long run and not effect their bottom line....at all.
But Fuck Them.
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Jan 02, 2008 9:25:45 AM CST
i'll never vote for anyone who believes the earth is 6,000 years
by dr. sid schaefer
No fucking way.
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This will endear Huck to the anti-union Repubs and cement his rep as a tuff guy -- who also released a convicted rapist because the victim was a relative of Bill Clinton. He's a sick puppy. I hope the GOP runs him. Just to watch him lose.
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And this from a (R) Oregon! Freakin' theocrat.
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Will someone inform Diagnostic of that.
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* (L) So I heard you play Bass guitar? (A) In a band!
* (L)Tell me about the time you pardoned Keith Richards. (A) I'd pardon anyone that can play guitar like Keith Richards!
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What are the writers going to do about it? Write insults?.. Actually hurling the insults would be a comedian's job.
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" The missiles are flying. Hallelujah, Hallelujah!"
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Is against abortion, against Social Security, Medicare, Welfare, against gun control, against any form of leniency for illegal immigrants living in America, and wants to deny citizenship to children born in America if their parents aren't citizens. The fact that he happens to be against the war and for legalization of marijuana does not make him a Democrat. He is a Libertarian--he opposes government regulation in most of its forms (unless it happens to be something he wants, like regulation of abortion), and against most taxes and government spending (unless they happen to benefit the state and district he represents). (PS: Ron Paul, please run as an independent and hand the election to the Democrat like Ross Perot did in 92 and 96. Okay? Okay.)
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We are being opposed by militant theocracies--countries that think zealous devotion to one particular religion should be an important part of your responsibilities as a citizen. Now, you *could* say that the best way to oppose these Islamic theocracies is to create our own Christian theocracy, and be just as blindly and zealously and officially devoted to our own state religion in our attempts to stop them. But the founding fathers--many of them fairly religious, many of them quite scientific and secular--very wisely decided that the best kind of society was one in which religion and government were completely separate from each other. To me, Mike Huckabee represents the new wave of politician that wants to move us away from Washington and Jefferson's government and towards Bin Laden and Ahmadinejad's--one where public declarations of religious faith are more important a part of governing than actually knowing something about foreign policy and current events (which do not seem to be Huckabee's strong points). Maybe I'm naive, but--isn't it the twenty-first century? Isn't it time we elected our first 21st century president who *does* believe in evolution, and the separation of church and state? Who realizes that the best way to fight terrorism is not to spend hundreds of billions of dollars bombing countries that are kind of near the ones that attack us, but to stop funding it by investing in alternate energy instead of emptying our pockets into OPEC's greedy hands?
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Fuck the writers ("I write for CAVEMEN, gimme me mjore money"). A female president is inevitable--as long as it's not Hillary Clinton (she couldn't find Iraq on a map). The ole' cow would perpetuate the Bush legacy, camouflaging ignorance behind a team of counselors. When she was a guest on the Letterman show (and a cow-towing Dave was pretty embarrassing), the producers enlighten the audience to "applaud and laugh on cue...no booing, no questions, no compromise." Letterman's staff were informed that all questions had to adhere to a pre-written list ("Absolutely no improvisation"). Zip flexibility, everything was pre-rehearsed an monitored. Watch the same act reprised in Iowa. I'm not a huge fan of Nancy Pelosi but she's be an infinitely more qualified candidate than Clinton--at least she knows what the hell she's talking about. Clinton practices hyprocrisy; she dispatches her stooges to do the dirty work then fires them when the media questions their corruptive venue. As for Hucky; hey, I'm not going to generically slam Christians (sick of stereotypes). Hucky, however, invokes that scary fundamentalist fascism that prompted the rise--and fall--of slimy shits like Jimmy Swaggart.
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Jan 02, 2008 11:25:47 AM CST
America: The Old Testament God Fearing Nation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by crackerfarmboy
The fact that a backwards shithead like Huckabee is getting serious consideration for president is more proof of how backwards most of this country really is. We do not live in a liberal or modern country; we live in a predominantly decadent, conservative, borderline medieval nation. I think the 2000 and 2004 elections demonstrate that clearly. The fact that most of "middle America" (who are the only votes that count apparently) voted due to "morality" (read: hardline Old Testatment religious values) issues is all you need to know about the intellect of, apparently, the majority of this country. So go ahead America, vote in another fire and brimstone, anti-science, anti-civi rights, hunting, religious wacko into office. That seems to be how it works around here anyways! This way we can finally get rid of those pesty problems like: evolution, stem cell research, and abortions!!!
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with people crossing the lines to appear on shows with no writers. Note to writers: There are a lot of people associated with these shows that are going to be out of jobs because of your strike, so if you begrudge a talk show for trying to fumble along using a non-scripted format to keep these people employed, you're a fucking doucebag. It would be different if the shows hired scab writers, then you've got reason to come down on people who appear on the show. But there is no violation here, they aren't using writers. It's like this. If you worked for a steel mill, and went on strike, and your employer decided to support the non-union employees by having them make pies at the factory and selling them, and you treat people who buy their pies like shit, you're an asshole. The only thing you're achieving by squashing that is screwing over your other co-workers. A non-scripted interview show is a different animal than a scripted late night talk show. They still don't get their late night talk show back until you stop picketing, so don't be cunty about it.
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SAG wants the writers to have their backs during their upcoming strike. And writers deserve all they can scrape from the Fat Cat bastid execs!
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Will the Dems kindly kick him the fuck out of their party?
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Huckabee may be a bit overly zealous in his religous debate, but look at his economic policies compared to Hillary. When someone called America medieval, they were right, but not because of religous beliefs, but because of the way we uphold our rich elite like the royal kings and queens of old, I used to get bothered by Edwards "us and them" rhetoric, but I think we need more of that talk, and less beholding to rich Wall Street aristocrats.
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You sure are quick to throw a lot of people's belief's into a nice little easy-to-label box and call it shit. Can I ask you what you happen to believe? Is it that you are unsure about what is after this life, okay, we can all respect that. Lord knows I don't really have any answers, but if someone holds to a certain perspective, and they aren't killing others to force them to see it as well, what the hell do you care?
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Who said writers have a problem with people - and I'm assuming you mean actors & actresses, considering the talk shows - with crossing the picket line? The point is SAG will *not* be crossing the picket line. The WGA & SAG are supporting one another. There are actors and actresses picketing their OWN shows in support. And if you don't understand why actors and actresses are supporting the WGA, I will say it again:
The Writer's are striking for the *exact* same thing the actors and actresses will be striking for in June : Internet. Downloads. New Media.
Fuck your steel mill anolagy, fuck your pie-making anaolgy and fuck you while were at it. Your position - while you have the right to state it, I don't begrudge you that - is like all other newbies who type before research.
And I don't say that because of prejudice, but only that you so willfully uninformed.
Forget the 1988 Writer's Strike where they trusted the studios in negotiations to give everyone a fair deal once VHS "hit it's stride" - nothing became of that, btw and now all the unions are stuck in the same VHS deal even in the era of DVDS - let's go back to the 1960 Writer's strike....
Do know the show "The HoneyMooners"? "I Love Lucy"? Classic television, yes? Every time one of those shows airs on TV or someone buys the DVD set, do you know how much the writer's and actor's (or decendents) get paid?
Nothing. Nada. Zip.
In 1960, they went on strike for the advent of television. In 1988, they went on strike for the advent of VHS. Now, in 2007-8 they are going on strike for the internet. This is progress, this is business and it has to happen.
The Entertainment business is like no other business model. Hollywood striking is *not* anything new; it has happened since they raised the first letters of "Hollywoodland". It might be new to you but this is how this business works.
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...just to see if it's a disaster or not.
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He is running Republican. Can someone please inform Diagnostic and Funketeer of this?
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So you're mad at Huckabee for endearing himself to Republicans, but also because he did a favor for a Democrat?
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I'll just admit it. My political views are not infallible or inerrant. Are yours? We all need to work together. Americans unite! Polite rant over.
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Who are you leaning towards?
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then they could negotiate a return with their writers, but I guess CC wouldn't let them, even if they had the money.
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I don't usually vote, because I am firmly in the Geroge Carlin school of "your vote don't count." But if I was going to vote, I'd vote for Ron Paul. He is the only true conservative running. All the rest are neo-Cons, and I don't like neo-Cons. That said, I'll take any of them over a Democrat, except Huckabee. I can't stand religious freako hicks who look like they're missing teeth and have a lazy eye. But hey, that's just me.
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seems like an ironic choice.
have someone on that WRITES, dave!We're going to be subjected to fifteen minutes of robin williams imitating richard simmons as a striking writer."put your pens down, people! and fosse fosse one..." -
I admire Ron Paul as the Republican Candidate who sticks to his political principles the most. I kind of object to calling any of the other candidates Neo-Cons though. Romney is more of a political opportunist with an expensive haircut then a neo-con. He's trying to portray himself as such, but he's not. Huckabee, other then on social issue, is no neo-con, just a fistful of nutty. Economically speaking he's a populist more then anything. McCain is far too independent of a thinker for any special interest group, other then economic, to support him. Thompson is looking too much like Count Chocula to be taken seriously, but I suppose he could be the most neo-conesque.
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I want him go to off on his bosses, he's best when he does that. I mean, all he did was call and say, 'yeah, hey, writers. Dave here. Let's talk.' They got a deal. How hard was that?
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How will this Christian Republican maintain his stronghold over the Hollywood votes if he angers the guild writers?
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I'd like to see a candidate that I thought was the most qualified to be president say that religion was not important and would have no influence on his term in office. That would take major conviction and massive stones.
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"So you're mad at Huckabee for endearing himself to Republicans, but also because he did a favor for a Democrat?"
Favor? Maybe you don't get it. Huckabe helped release a convicted rapist who was in jail for raping a 17 year old relative of Clinton. Right wing psychos at the New York Post tried to turn Dumond into some sort of miscarriage of justice. He had already been charged with two previous rapes. Huckabee wrote Dumond a letter praising him, then helped his parole. Then Wayne Dumond raped and murdered two women. Huck is toast in a debate. -
"I won't take the inaugural oath with my hand on a Bible, because all religion is silly. We're all just masses of carbon and chemicals, so the concept of a higher power is asinine. When people die, we're just worm-food, so actually, why should we give a fuck about doing the right thing in the first place, since the concept of "right" (and "wrong") are nonexistent. Concepts such as "compassion", "morality", and "leadership" are nothing more than ideas floating around in human brains, not anything legitimately real. They can't be measured with scientific instruments, so they're just ethereal perceptions of meaningless electrical signals in some animals' nervous systems. We're just animals battling it out for food and shelter. Anyway, life has no purpose, we're all just an accident, love and honor are nothing more than brain chemical interpretations, and no matter what happens, it ultimately doesn't matter. Wow, am I pumped to lead this country!"
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Conan doesn't shave his beard for the first ep back tonight. In fact, he sings a song to it, and is revulsed that the lyrics instruct him to say I love you to the beard. Pretty funny stuff. His monlogue was funny too. Conan is a genius, he may have gone way downhill, and I know he treats his staff like shit and fires people randomly and yells a lot, but he's still a funny fucking guy. Then there's a bit following him around the office as he has nothing to do, and playing the guitar, which is hit and miss, but still pretty funny. Anyway, take it for what it's worth.
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I may have been too enthusastic in my labelling of all the Republican candidates as neo-Cons. But anyone who wants a broad foreign policy where we invade others and impose our will is a neo-Con to me. Remember, neo-Cons are just twisted old Liberals, they're not and have never been real conservatives. People like Rove, W., Cheney, Rumsfeld, they're not real conservatives. Huckabee is Liberal by Southern standards and just a snake like little douche hick. Romney is so waxen and plastic, he's no conservative. Giuliani, no way is he conservative. McCain? He goes back and forth, works with the scumbags on the left too much to help THEIR causes, never a right wing cause. I liked Thompson at first until he too turned into a douchebag. Only Ron Paul speaks the truth. Some of his ideas may not be feasible, at least in the short term, but at least he has ideas and he wants to get closer to how the Founders envisioned this country, basically no welfare and no warfare! The medical and military industrial complexes are creating a soft form of fascism. Leftists are even more dangerous, if you can imagine such a thing. The worst, most extreme right winger is still 1000 times more sane and normal than the most extreme Leftist. And I'm really sick of the left equating conservative with religious. It's getting tired. Religious zealots are not right or left wing, they're fucking religious zealots period! Ron Paul is the truth.
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Exactly. LOL!
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Are you really as cunty as you sound? Calling ANY Republican a "liberal" is a joke. It's gotta be, right? Fact is, the only real liberals running this year are Kucinich and Gravel. Everyone else is in the rightist/authoritarian bracket, even Paul...
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I missed him.
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by the freeway here in seattle, someone peppered the whole area with Ron Paul campaign signs.the VERY NEXT DAY, someone took EVERY sign, cut out the "n" in Ron, flipped it upside down, and covered the "o" with it, effectively changing the signs to "Ru Paul". one of the funniest things I've seen in a while.Seattle + Nutty libertarians = not a good mix, evidently...
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Jan 02, 2008 7:34:40 PM CST
Know how I know Ron Paul is the only legitimate good guy running
by sick fixx
Because he's the only one that has acknowledged Council of Foreign Relations and Bilderberg in the face of some smarmy southerner who asked him if he believed all of this 'conspiracy theory nonsense'. Paul understands the Masonic links to these organizations, the policies they effect behind closed doors, their anti-human agendas and how they think in brackets of twenty to thirty years. And guess what? Everything is going according to plan. Look at the Georgia Guidestones. They've been right in our face the whole time announcing the grisly fates they intend for us 'lowly consumers'. Project Paperclip. Bohemian Grove. Operation Northwoods. Iron Mountain. These are all things you owe it to yourself to look into. There are documents surrounding all of these things that have been declassified but are so abstract and nonsensical that most write them off as tabloid fodder and black helicopter bunk. Movies have done a great service for governments of the world in allowing a deposit drop for all the fantastical elements of life and the world that we choose to believe don't apply to and could never happen in the REAL world. I'm not going to suggest 9/11 was positively an inside job, as I despise Islamic Fundamentalism to its rotten core, but given the massive amount of action movie explosions we've been exposed to over the decades, it certainly would have been an effective way to jar us from our reality and suddenly put all our trust into the government who designed it, believing that such a threat could only come from the outside.
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...to miraculously part the picket lines for him. Another dips**t christer for prez is the LAST thing this country needs.
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Thanks for clearing that up. The way you worded it, it didn't come out the way I suppose you meant it. You made it sound like Dumond's release was a favor for Clinton, not a 'neiner neiner' for him.
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If the writers strike for the SAG, then they lose credibility. It shows that they are willing to attack the studios for not just their own cause. The SAG and WGA, if they must strike, should do so independently of one another, not muddy the waters by swimming together. Besides, it's not as if Sandra Oh, Sean Astin, Hugh Laurie or Jason Alexander have done any good in turning the negotiating tables on the studios. Hell, if this strike is so just and appropriate, why can't they get the creator of 24 to support them? He called the entire thing 'insanity' and foresaw the public turning against their needy war cries. If he believed in it, the conflict would be resolved in a day.
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Jan 02, 2008 7:51:49 PM CST
'I say we're gonna have a female president real soon. And I'm no
by sick fixx
Well, you should be, considering Hilary Clinton adapts and abandons accents depending on where she is, which is blatantly fake and insincere and makes it come across as if she's mocking the spectators gathered in her presence. I also believe that the entire hostage situation at her campaign office was staged by her people to take attention off of Ron Paul, who is garnering more support than her slumping campaign. The Elite are very good at what they do and can make things happen. They shape history. Surely they can shape what goes on the 6:00 news.
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Jan 02, 2008 7:54:41 PM CST
you're all misled when it comes to calling Bush a 'Christer'
by sick fixx
He may say in public that he worships Christ and lives a wholesome life, but I think his actions speak a different verse. The man was a part of Skull & Bones, whereupon initiation, one must lie in a coffin all night masturbating periodically. Government is tainted all around. This is how the good ol' boy system accounts for its spare time.
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Skull & Bones?'The man was a part of Skull & Bones, whereupon initiation, one must lie in a coffin all night masturbating periodically.' You say that like it's a bad thing.
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Though I'll vote for him if he's the Republican nomination, because I always vote against the Democrat, and always will, unless they come up with someone who doesn't engage in shameless class warefare and want to raise everybody's taxes and kiss the rest of the world's collective ass and surrender to multiculturalist, anti-American, anti-western leftism. But that's just me.I'd much prefer Fred Thompson, then probably Guliani, then maybe Romney, then McCain, then Ron Paul, then The Huckster. But I'll vote Huck over Hill or Obama. Although, if it was an Obama vs. Hillary ticket and there was no Republican so I could vote against the Democrats, I'd vote Obama. At least he's classy, and good Lord knows you can't say that about any of the other presidential candidates.If only Ted Nugent would run.
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Sounds an Ambien cocktail on top of a Xanex on top of a Valium on top of, I dunno, someone really boring reading the phonebook. Zzzzzzz.
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Would be Mike Huckabee on Leno. Or perhaps they are both equally yawn inducing. And they say pretty much the same things: "I'm a slut! I'm a whore! I'll say anything I can to make you pay attention to me? Hey? Remember me on Full House? Well, I know curse words. 'Shit!' See? I said it. 'Shit'! I'm so radical! Pay attention to me! Please!'And I'm positive Saget has said something like that, too.
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I believe the reason you're looking for is that the creator of 24 is a conservative republican who doesn't believe in unions IN GENERAL. Don't be a dick and pretend like that guy's political stance is a reason to think the WGA strike is unjustified or unsuccessful. As for the idea of cooperation, I'm not sure what it is you object to. The WGA is already striking, so that statement is strange. And if the WGA gets what it wants, then SAG has no reason to strike, since they're after the same thing. That's one of the reasons SAG is supporting the WGA, so they can avoid a strike themselves. I'm sure they don't want to be out of work, even if it IS voluntary. It only makes sense for them to support the WGA. So what exactly is the problem here?
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Actors ARE contractually obligated to promote their movies, shows, etc. However, they cannot be forced at gunpoint to cross a picket line.
Leno is smart to have a candidate...safe for him and stupid for the Huckster...unless he spins his appearance as some sort of "can't we all just get along" message to unions in general.
Saget is also safe...hosting/promoting a show that doesn't really depend on writers, per se...unless your big "writing" claim to fame is "I wrote an N'Sync question on 1 vs 100".
Robin Williams...what the hell is he promoting again? At least letterman settled his deal with his writers. Ah, hell...Robin's a safe guest...just wind him up and watch him go. Letterman will be sportin' a full beard, as well. -
Jan 02, 2008 10:30:01 PM CST
The amount of misinformation and uninformed thought in this talk
by zacdilone
You folks are feeding my fear that we no longer have citizens who actually examine issues, listen to candidates, or read any first-generation materials in their quest to make an informed use of their right to vote. The American electorate is quickly being overtaken by a generation of folks who form their opinions after reading the opinions of others, rather than forming opinions by examining facts. For example, saying "I would never vote for someone who believes the earth is 6000 years old." Me neither. But no candidate has said the earth is 6000 years old. Including Huckabee. He believes in creation, as do most Americans according to recent surveys and polls. He himself has said he doesn't know the details, and doesn't need to know them. But the pundits jump to inaccurate conclusions from what he says, and then people form their opinions from those inaccurate conclusions. I'm scared that the future of our country is in the hands of people who can't think for themselves, yet consider themselves "informed" because they watch Jon Stewart (who I think is hilarious...it's just how people take him too seriously that bothers me). It works on both sides--the right spreads just as much misinformation about the left as the left does about the right. We need to examine what people say, listen to them, read their papers and examine their records, then make informed decisions in the voting booth. But I fear too many people are happy to read a headline on Daily Kos or listen to something Rush Limbaugh says, take it as gospel, then act on it. That scares me to no end.
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He looks great.
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I think that this should be a lesson to anyone who works in a creative field for a living. If you don't own your own creations then you get screwed. The writers are getting screwed and at least for me Leno and Conan are having their images tarnished. Dave owns his own show so he can do the best thing and make his own deal with the WGA. The same thing happens in the music industry. "if you don't own the masters the masters own you."
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Sometimes it comes down to get paid for doing something creative and not own it, or get paid for a shit job while doing creative work on the side. In my experience, I chose the former.
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He's rockin that beard pretty awesome, though. Not bad, but not great.
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IMO, it really hurts the cause of the writers to have multi, multi millionaire celebs walking the picket lines. The writers have to come across like the "little guys" and seeing actors/actresses looking foolish isn't helping matters any.
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Leno is still a hack
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It's only hurting writers in the long run. Also, the entire Letterman and Leno show were pretty much bashing them.
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I've seen you say some ridiculous things on various talk backs in the past, but that really takes the cake. Disband the WGA? Please explain to me how that would be a good thing for anyone.
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but yeah Dave's new show wasn't so hot. Robin Williams was funny but he got rid of him and had some chick on that I didn't pay attention to at all. I hope they don't go on and on about the strike because the audience didn't seem to enjoy that at all.
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He's just as hilarious without the writers. Him playing Rock Band made my laugh so hard I started coughing.
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I've never really watched his show a lot before. When I have watched I have been amused but it wasn't great. Tonight though, I am laughing my ass off.
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never leave their daddies shadow. i WOULD say theres just as many unthinking liberal voters for the same reason... but its a peculiarly right wing phenomenon. perhaps not that peculiar after all.
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Where was Conan?
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get paid back once the market hit its stride?? That's a nice way of saying the fucking guild didn't have the forsight to put that into the contract, and now they're kicking themselves. If something is not spelled out in a legal document, you can hardly begrudge the studio for not living up to it. Writers deserve more, but they also need to learn how to fucking negotiate.
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today (Thursday), so who knows?
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You don't need to believe in evolution to be a good president.
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shouldn't be elected:
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I'm too lazy to get the urls to prove it, but all my previous posts here are pro-writers. I'm glad they're striking, they deserve to get download royalties and the studios are sneaky buggers for trying to slip that past. My point was merely addressing SAG actors crossing lines to appear on talk shows. It's only an issue is the show in question has employed scab or non-union writers. If the shows are going on *without any writers writing* there should be no stink made about actors appearing on those shows. My analogy is apt, you just read more into the point I was making than the point I was making. Which is SAG actors can still be considered as supporting the writers guild while appearing on unscripted shows, because they're unscripted. It's no different than a SAG actor appearing on a reality show during the strike (cough william baldwin).
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Thank you for proving my point. It was a BIT. A comedy bit. And the following paragraph (surprise, surprise) then goes on to offer OPINION as FACT. Sure, there are facts sprinkled in there to be sure, but that's the beauty of the system these days--pundits on the left and right sprinkle in just enough facts to give some credence and air of legitimacy, but the end result is that those facts are given an interpretation and spin that doesn't hold up. The evolution thing is a perfect example. Huckabee has said numerous times that he DOES believe in evolution as a PROCESS, but not as a FIRST CAUSE. He believes the first cause is God, not random chance. When he said he doesn't believe in evolution, that's what he was referring to. And yet the spinmeisters on the left (and right, actually) run to their blogs and columns and write "HUCKABEE BELIEVES EARTH IS 6000 YEARS OLD" and "HUCKABEE HATES SCIENCE." And the mindless minions accept that as fact, while ignoring all evidence to the contrary. That's where politics has (d)evolved to in this day and age, to borrow the controversial theme. And anyone who watches that bit at the Governor's convention and actually believes Huckabee claims a direct phone line to God is stupid beyond comprehension. And yet there they are, proclaiming "HUCKABEE CLAIMS TO TALK TO GOD" and "HUCKABEE SAYS GOD SUPPORTS BUSH," while the truth remains that NEITHER OF THOSE TWO THINGS ARE ASSERTED IN WHAT HE SAID. Again, thanks for proving my point that rhetoric, half-truths, and misinformation are bandied about as truth in the political arena these days, and we are facing a crisis of monumental proportions as the electorate loses the ability to examine, explore, reason, debate, and form opinions from facts instead of other opinions.
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The problem with your assertion of "they should've had forsight" is that at the time nobody knew what would happen with video technology. There really wasn't a lot of information existent nor was much research done. So the writers let it go and didn't make it a sticking point. NOW they are aware of the home video market AND the Internet download market and are TRYING to "fucking negotiate". The way technology moves, the WGA could sign a ten year contract tomorrow with all of their desired rights and in 2-3 years a completely NEW form of media could rise up. So let's not throw around words like "forsight".
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When you say "controversial theme", you mean in terms of it being a source of argument for Huckabee, right? Not in general, I hope. A well-tested and scientifically-proven theory like evolution is FAR from controversial. Unless you're a whackadoo. Whackadoo is a psychology term, by the way, I didn't make it up to be insulting...
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I can't stand that fucker. This is probably the last time he'll get top billing as a guest on a talk show. I wonder if Conan would have had him on at all if not for the strike.
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Saget's a regular.
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As the cokehead.
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I was entertained just as much by these shows as I am when there isn't a strike on. Conan's bit with the guitar was comedy gold, especially when he brought his real guitar and started rockin out alongside the people playing Rock Band, and obscuring the screen as they strained to see it.
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Was pretty damn funny, even though i was only half way paying attention to it.
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According to him, the first humans magically sprung up like daisies several thousand years ago because God planned it that way instead of humans being the result of millions of years of genetic development from a primitive state documented by a considerable amount of scientific evidence.
Sounds like a relic to me.
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fold them up real tight, and stick them staright up your ass. It's an entertainment site you fucking retards.
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Wingnuts hold the bolts that keep the girders of this great country standing tall. Now, go back to your doctor and get him to refill your medication, because you must be out. Sheesh.
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I love my dad (sorry that yours abused you, that's a sad story), but when my dad voted for Clinton, I voted for Bush, Sr. When he voted for Clinton again, I would have voted against Clinton, if I had voted that year, which I didn't. In 2000, we both voted for Bush, Jr. My mom voted for Nader. She had to do it as a write-in, since they didn't put him on the ballot in Georgia (at least in Dekalb county).I don't see liberals following, lockstep, in their parents footsteps--rather, I see them (you, bacci, both excellent examples) either too consumed with hatred that someone has the temerity to disagree with their religious infatuation with their person politics, or too busy bending around trying to pat themselves on the back to objectively consider the issues.
I'm not a big fan of Bush for a variety of reasons (pre-emptive wars, big government bureaucracy, more government spending, Rumsfeld, dropped the ball on Social Security) . . . but I'd have voted against the Democrats in 2000 and 2004, even so, and I'll vote against 'em this time, too. I did it in 2006, and Tennessee (my state) was the only one to send a freshmen Republican to the senate. And I didn't care much for Bob Corker, frankly, but I was going to vote against Harold Ford, Jr. (who I liked), because the Democratic party is so highly partisan and so deeply flawed and so demanding of policy conformity and so enamored of class warfare (and high taxes, and big government, and anti-small business via highly progressive taxation against S-corps and sole proprieterships and insane regulation) . . . So, I'll vote for Huckabee, if he's my only choice, but I'm hoping for Thompson, Guliani, or Romney. Then maybe Ron Paul. Then Huckabee. -
He should run on that. All the Democrats should bravely campaign with their agnosticism, atheism, and deism on their sleeves.And Mitt Romney should talk more candidly about his faith, since it comes up so much. He seems hesitant to talk about Joseph Smith being sent visions by God in his hat.
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Is not necessarily a Christian precept. It's controversial enough that those folks are called "young earth creationists", rather than just "creationists".And what bearing does the age of the earth have on political policy? Huckabee likes raising taxes and open borders, which I care about. Whether or not he thinks the earth is 6000 years old or 6 billion years old has no effect on me, and there's no immediate policy initiative that that belief would dictate.But I agree--these issues have nothing to do with the candidates, the parties, or what any of these people have actually said. And when partisans actually do quote the people they despise accurately, it's usually out of context.However, the low level of dialog and misinformation is not new. Just go back to the presidency campaigns of John Adams and Thomas Jefferson to see people being called atheists and traitors and predictions their policies would result in cities burning while the streets were filled with whores. Despite the historical lessons--Thomas Jefferson did not, as predicited, legalize prostitution and fill the streets with whores, unfortunately--that these outrageous partisan attacks are incorrect in their facts and utterly wrong in their predictive power, people have been doing it for as long as their has been republican (small 'r') government, and will continue to do it until we evolve into pure energy beings that achieve immortality within a digital ether.That is all.
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But I'm too busy handling snakes and drinking holy water most days to watch much TV. Is it good?
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That gets my vote!
I can't believe that there have been talkbacks this year for the Sex in the City movie, yet none dedicated to one of the best shows on TV. -
how did we get from a writers strike and late night talk shows to presidential candidate debates and arguing if God is real or not? FOCUS PEOPLE!
all i wanna say is, conan was way funnier without writers than dave was with the full staff. although the second ring-spinning bit seemed a bit desperate. -
it's the only way to fly!
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And Huckabee's belief of the earth being young does directly affect his ability to be president. It shows a complete dismissal of reality, which is DANGEROUS IN A LEADER. Show him all the facts you want, if he doesn't want to believe it, he'll ignore them. You really want someone like that in office? Come now.
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I watched Conan last night and is was bearable but soon it won't be I can it on the horizon.
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oh. That was a pretty straight line, wasn't it.
in any case...lets dump the politix and theology and talk about whether Andy dick is more entertaining sober or all fucked up. I vote sober - he got kind of tom-green-anoying when he was on the junk. -
Are just turning the Christian fundamentalists on more.
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Hmmm...Meanwhile, life for everyone else has pretty much returned to normal. Perhaps someone overvalued their product...
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Jan 03, 2008 12:30:17 PM CST
RE:"whether Andy dick is more entertaining sober or all fucked u
by big jim
Isn't that kind of like asking "which would you rather catch: herpes or syphilis"? Really, it's just best to avoid them both.
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NBC needs to promote their schedule. "We have more new shows than any other network", "7 premieres in the first 10 days of January". Expect to see Leno & Conan's couches populated by the likes of Hulk Hogan, a Gladiator or two, some Big Losers, and Donald Trump (& every other "celebrity" apprentice).
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Craig was hilarious. I laughed almost the entire time. His Prince Charles bit was to die for.
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OK, so which is it, herpes or syphilis? I vote syphilis. that herpes shit don't go away. so i hear.
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Vote for me and I'll make sure the population of pirates skyrockets, in turn dissolving our global warming problems! Besides I did create YOU. So Vote FSM 2008 and enjoy the after life filled with beer volcanoes and stripper factories!
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Don't count Naomi out just yet.
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Oh, wait, I thought he said he wanted to carve Anthony Michael Hall's head into Mount Rushmore.Change that to Ronald Reagan, and I'm in.
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Isn't that the belligerent who had the audacity to feature a cross in his christmas ad? The nerve of that guy!
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Jan 03, 2008 5:00:13 PM CST
The writers haven't been outside my building for some time
by novaman5000
Also, they don't come when it rains. Kind of funny, for people who are supposedly taking this strike so seriously, they're not particularly willing to get wet or have their holiday inconvenienced. I hear they're off until next week. Whatever.
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said he supported the WGA and was happy he didn't have to cross a picket line to be on Leno.......OOPS.
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Who pretended to get a cell phone call from God during the 2004 election, carried on a fake conversation with him, and finally insinuated that God supported Bush in the election. Some might call that blasphemy. I just call it retarded.
Could you imagine if a liberal used that same trick? Imagine if a Dem invoked God in such a way to make a liberal point? Conservatives would explode. -
He should have colored it a bit to match his hair....Bond Box Set is a smokin' deal but I don't want "A View To A Kill" in my house. I despise that piece of shit movie. I was 15 when it came out, wnet to the theater and my jaw dropped....All I could think for 2 hours was "What the fuck? How was this movie greenlit?". Worst Bond EVER.....Even worse than non-Bond movies like Bio Dome, Jury Duty and Domino....
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Huckabee supports open borders, amnesty for illegal aliens, higher taxes, big government, and more. Maybe Huckabee *is* a liberal that used that trick.
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Jan 03, 2008 5:21:30 PM CST
The Anninaki have chosen Ron Paul and they'll tell you why.
by billypilgrim
When they are probing you.
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He jumped around for ten minutes. Spun a ring on his desk and looked half asleep.
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A VIEW TO A KILL, which does suck, looks like f*ckin' CASINO ROYALE (new classic) or GOLDFINGER (olde classic) by comparison. I mean, there is no excuse for the cinematic travesty of DOMINO. It literally was the worst movie I've ever seen. EVER.
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or Grandma's Boy, or Employee of the Month, or Eight Crazy Nights, or Good Luck Chuck, or anything starring Rob Schneider.
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Too unreliable and inconsistent in anything they do. Holidays are only created for people who DID something. Stringing fans along, no long term planning, hotshot 'artistic decisions' and dashing the hopes of viewers does not a hero make.
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I did see Judge Dredd, however, which featured Rob Schneider in a supporting role. It was not a good movie by any stretch, but still nowhere near as awful as Domino. Domino made my head hurt. Literally! I can only imagine the horrors of the films you've mentioned!
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He should do his show like that every night
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I miss the masturbating bear...
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Yep, in regard to ratings, Leno beat Letterman and O'Brien beat Ferguson. No doubt, the writers will picket the Nielsons (though they can't ignore the message).
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Both Conan and Leno have been far better without their writers. Personally, I'm hoping things stay the way they are for awhile. Leno's made comments that imply that he's enjoying himself much more this way as well (both last night and tonight).
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'WAKE UP WAKE UP, GOTTA WAKE UP!' isn't compelling television. I don't care that he was trying to excite Sawyer as part of his con, it was a poor poor poor imitation of David Lynch.
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dave looks like a crazy old man.
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Last night a WGA organizer witnessed Huckabee's limo exiting the Telemundo gate at the NBC building, thus "tainting the gate". Because that good ol' boy from a Right to Exploit state didn't want to see picket signs on his way out, Telemundo workers (and the WGA is not on strike against them) now face the possibility of having to cross a picket line to get to work.
www.thepodosphere.com
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As Mormons believe the head of the council of 12 is a living prophet on earth receiving revelation from Jesus Christ, and as you are a bishop in this church, if the living prophet receives directions directly from Jesus Christ to pass on to you as President of the United States, are you not bound by your faith to carry out the prophet's orders???
It's a fair question, one he did not directly address in his speech at the George HW Bush Library. Oh, and as for the Kennedy comparison with the Pope's infallibility, Kennedy in his famous speech addressed the issue very directly, saying he would not take direction from the pope. If you go back over Romney's speech carefully, you'll find he gave himself wiggle room. With these guys who want to get away with stuff, you have to analyze their speeches carefully. -
Don't bother listening to sickfixx, ashoko. I don't put any stock in the artistic opinion of a man who's been eating Jack Bauer's boring pile of shit for several seasons. I'm with you. Lost S3 is f'n amazing. I was annoyed with it when I watched it on the weekly basis, just because it had that long break in between and the first few episodes were very Jack - Kate - Sawyer heavy. I just re-watched the season on DVD and it's just damn incredible.
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First of all, it was the first night. One night of ratings does not a conclusion make. Second, not that I want to encourage conspiracy theories, but how much objectivity do you think there is in those ratings? Nielsen ratings have been second-guessed for years. Third, let's not count out the "train wreck" factor. So what message do you think the writers can't ignore, exactly?
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I don't buy the bit about Huckabee crossing picket lines and being scab. It's not his industry, it's not his strike. The writers can go fuck themselves. Poor leadership on their side led to this strike.
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Those with heads swimming with tales of abuses that arise in the labor movement
(mine is) should bear in mind that the side generally referred to as Management
happen to own the media - and hire the editors - that have been providing us
with all of this detailed union-smearing news coverage these past decades.
"Even" NPR, after a piece covering the French transportation workers' abortive
strike back in November, felt obligated to tranquilize any pro-labor sentiment
the story might have stirred by following it with some ugly story they managed
to dredge up about a carpenters' union in DC that was hiring people, many of
them homeless, to man a picket line for $8/hr while the carpenters themselves
kept working elsewhere at $24/hr ($24 every single hour for skilled labor...
you thieving extortionist bastards). Check out the tone of the online
companion article. That'll keep those corporate donations flowing.
So I just hope every one of you union-haters out there are being paid in
stock options and using the locked bathroom and all of that kind of wonderful
thing, because otherwise, wipe that Kool-Aid off your lip, you drank it.
Thanks for the beard, though, Conan... it's something. You look terrible, and
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watching it this morning. I'm sure I recorded it from the Buffalo station. About 10 minutes in I suddenly found myself watching the end of the Hamilton news and then the Chelsea Handler show came on. It was like the Hamilton station took over the feed for whatever reason. Anyone else in the Toronto area experience this?
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Seriously
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Because he's a nutter. Seriously, a candidate whose main support base is a gaggle of conspiracy theorists who think that every little thing in "Zeitgeist" was factually accurate..? Give me a break! It's the Evil Bilderbergs and Rockefellers, who want to implant chips in everyone and take over the world!!! NUH NUH NUUUUUHHHHHHH!
Ron Paul is the only candidate with the full endorsement of the Ku Klux Klan!!! (no kidding. Look it up.)
He's a fundamentalist Christian who doesn't believe in evolution, thinks abortion should be illegal (and wants to "leave it up to the states" because he KNOWS how many of the Christer-controlled red states will vote on the issue). His followers include 9/11 truthers, the KKK, White Aryan Resistance, and various other tinfoil-hat-wearing, hate-mongering, afraid-of-the-zionists types.
He's a nutter. Anyone who votes for him because they think he's for "freedom" or is a "Constitutionalist" due to his stance on legalizing drugs needs to realize that the more sinister aspects of the man's political agenda are FAR WORSE than any Rockefeller's. He's practically a fascist.
Seriously, the only reason you should support Ron Paul is if you happen to believe that women and doctors should be jailed for having/performing abortions, if you think ALL WEAPONS should be legal without background checks or permits, if you think we don't need the IRS or any taxes to pay for our roads, schools, libraries, public services, cops, firefighters, and military (among other things), if you think that a man who doesn't believe in evolution should be making policy for the whole nation, if you think the KKK has a knack for picking a good candidate, if you think David Duke knows a good man when he sees one, if you think we should cut off ALL immigration, if you think we should cut off ALL foreign aid, if you think we should cut off ALL TIES to the United Nations, if you think we should stop doing trade with other nations, if you think public schools should be able to make children pray, if you think public schools should have to teach creationism, if you think states should be allowed to discriminate freely without fear of federal civil rights laws, if you think that the Jews are responsible for all the bad things that happen, and if you believe that there's some shadowy hidden cartel of bankers who want to implant an RFID chip in your body so they can track your every move.
In other words, if you're completely fucking nuts, then Ron Paul is the man for you. If you just want us out of Iraq and want to legalize drugs, perhaps you should look elsewhere or at least research Ron Paul a bit better before supporting his crazy ass.
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But United Artists take the same WGA deal that was presented to the AMPTP (yes, twice). Tom Cruise, get down with your scientiolical bad ass!'
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It's something like "hey! Hey! Come on!" The rabbit's already awake, dickhead, he's trying to scare it.
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