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David Fincher and Quint talk about everything from A(lien3) to Z(odiac)!!!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with my last interview of 2007. It was a helluva year. I don’t have an exact count, but I know I’ve done over 50 interviews from July ‘til now. Of all the people I’ve interviewed this year, the one I could say without any doubt in my mind that I least expected was this one you’re about to read. David Fincher is one of those guys that always seemed to exist outside of the world that I know. There was a chance earlier this year that I could have visited his set for BENJAMIN BUTTON, but that never happened and I honestly didn’t think it would. Seeing David Fincher direct? That couldn’t happen. Right after Christmas the lovely Tamar from Paramount contacted me with a surprise opportunity to get on the phone with Fincher. He was promoting the ZODIAC Director’s Cut hitting DVD and HD-DVD and if I was ready that next day I could talk to the man. Of course I said yes. Listen, I was working at a General Cinema when FIGHT CLUB came out. That movie was one of the longest running films at this little mall theater. I used to let kids sneak into it. If they were going to theater hop, at least they were seeing a genuinely fantastic movie, right? Our locked poster cases were busted into not once, but twice and the FIGHT CLUB poster within was taken. We cover a lot of ground here. Mr. Fincher talked for nearly 40 minutes about everything from ALIEN 3 to the movement of his upcoming projects. I hope you guys enjoy the read on this final day of the year 2007.

David Fincher: Hello.

Quint: Hey, how’s it going?

David Fincher: It’s a little bit slow, but how are things for you?

Quint: Actually pretty fast. We’re kind of on opposites.

David Fincher: So have you seen the disc or are they just now supplying you with them?

Quint: I just got it last night and I watched the new cut. Honestly, I didn’t see much of a difference… either my memory has completely gone crazy or I somehow accidentally watched the theatrical cut again, so…

David Fincher: No, it’s not that different. It’s only about a seven minute difference, but you know there are like three little addendums. So, it didn’t feel any different?

Quint: No, I didn’t… But then again it has been almost about seven months since I saw it, so I don’t want to insult you and say that there was no difference…

David Fincher: No no no, that’s fine. (laughs) There were little things, but we thought they were important.

Quint: The movie, as a whole, held up just as much for me. I loved it when I saw it, but yeah we are all big fans of your work over at Ain’t It Cool, so…

David Fincher: Well thank you very much, I appreciate it.

Quint: Do you mind if we go back a little bit? One thing that I’m really fascinated by is that you kind of began your career at ILM… you were a matte artist, right?

David Fincher: No, not as an artist. I shot the paintings; I was a photographer. I was the guy who lined up the rear projector and made sure that the separations were done and then wedged everything and photographed it and then worked with the painters to try to add a little bit of animation, like maybe some water effects or a bird flying by, just to make it look a little more realistic. Luckily, thanks to digital, those days are gone.

Quint: I was just about to say though that I miss the old matte look. I’m a big fan of matte work and seeing…

David Fincher: The Al Whitlocks.

Quint: Definitely and going all the way back to THE WIZARD OF OZ or something. There is just something brilliant… it’s kind of the artistry of filmmaking and the creating of an illusion that…

David Fincher: Yeah, it was kind of great to start out in, because you really dealt with the optical department making separations and you had to be able to operate a rear projector and then you did a lot of motion control programming, so it was kind of a great nexus; you were in the middle of a lot of different disciplines.

Quint: Yeah.

David Fincher: Then watching guys like Chris Evans and Mike Pangrazio paint. That was amazing.

Quint: Yeah, well it is art work. I’ve got movie posters all over my walls and I have some original production art now and I’m a sucker for any hand drawn art. My biggest collection now, just because everything has gone so photoshop type stuff with, it’s like I tend to now go for the foreign stuff. I have some great Italian posters that are giant suckers.

David Fincher: Those are amazing… those are so great, and the Polish!

Quint: The Polish posters are so fucking bizarre and so awesome, like how JAWS is my favorite movie and I’ve always wanted the Polish JAWS poster, it’s always been this kind of abstract beautiful…

David Fincher: Did you find one?

Quint: I’ve seen it, but at the time I was definitely not able to afford it, so…

David Fincher: Wow! That’s so funny that they were throwing those things away. Years ago they’d just take them out of the case and folded them up and threw them away.

Quint: Or drew on the back. I even have some of those where they didn’t get the poster for the next week, so they jut took a big black magic marker and turned the poster around. I have a STRAW DOGS poster that’s like that and it sucks because it bleeds through, but on the back it’s like “Coming next week: APPLEDUMPLING GANG RE-RELEASE.”

David Fincher: “LAUGHS FOR SHEILA”

Quint: I’m totally screwing this up and going completely off on a tangent here, but…

David Fincher: Oh go ahead, I’m sorry…

Quint: Not your fault at all. Now one thing that I think everybody, at least all of the big guys at the site and all of the readers, they love the stuff that you have done and there is an argument starting with ALIEN 3, which I know you had a notoriously hard experience for you, because of the studio interference, but do you think having had that as kind of a trial by fire, do you think that shaped how you approached building a project and were you able to negotiate more creative freedom after that?


David Fincher: Well, certainly through no desire of the studios to give me anymore creative freedom, but I mean look… yeah I walked naively into this spinning propeller of Hollywood, but what I learned was… The thing is is that the creative executives at studios are not really in a position to tell you who the best cinematographer is to work with and the editors or those things. They all have opinions about that stuff, but ultimately those are the decisions you have to make for yourself and I sort of… on my first movie… I would have been much better off making a movie with all of the guys I had been making commercials and music videos with for years, because they would have been invested. Now, I worked with some amazing people and you know Norman Reynolds is fantastic and Terry Rawlings was amazing and I got to work with Jordan Cronenweth at least for a short period of time on that movie, but what you learn from that first and I don’t call it “trial by fire,” I call it “baptism by fire,” is that you are going to have to take all of the responsibility, because basically when it gets right down to it, you are going to get all of the blame, so you might as well have made all of the decisions that led to people either liking it or disliking it. There’s nothing worse than hearing somebody say “Oh, you made that movie? I thought that movie sucked,” and you have to agree with them, you know?

Quint: Yeah.

David Fincher: So it was kind of a… if nothing else, it was a situation where I got to see first hand that if I wasn’t going to make the decisions myself, there are plenty of people who are going to line up to chime in and almost no one was going to be there when the shit hit the fan and the movie is judged. You just learn from that situation. You just say “If I do this again, I’m going down with the ship, so I’m going to make those decisions and I’m going to work with the people that I want to work with and I’m going to be involved in everything.” I sort of did that on SE7EN. We were incredibly instrumental all the way down into getting Darius Khondji his work visas and there were a lot of people at the studio who just didn’t want to go through the trouble. They were like “Why do you want a French perfume commercial photographer to do this serial killer movie? You should get the guy who did SILENCE OF THE LAMBS” and so you learn from that. It’s like “No, I want to do this and I think taking somebody out of this milieu and moving them into this other one is going to bring this whole other thing to it and here’s this costume designer that I worked with on commercials and here’s the editor that I think is best suited” and so that process on ALIEN 3 probably made me more of a belligerent asshole than I otherwise would have been, but we’re only talking about percentage points here. (laughs)

Quint: I got to know Gino Acevado (special effects guy, now one of the higher ups at WETA) pretty well and…

David Fincher: Oh, yeah! Gino!

Quint: … and he was showing me all of these pictures of his work on ALIEN and how he was talking… He showed me something that he did for a webbed face hugger…

David Fincher: Yes!

Quint: I don’t think even made it into the work print, did it?

David Fincher: No, I mean again there were about six months on that movie where things were really exciting and we were going to do all of this different stuff and then the studio took over and that is sort of where things took a nose dive. It was like things were mandated, like blueprints for sets were cut in half and they just said, “This is the half of the set you get.” It all comes down to script. That’s the thing you fight over the hardest and the longest and fight for first, but I mean yeah the stupidity of it was of course… I mean we had a lot of great ideas for a lot of really great stuff. Jake Scott did some amazing designs for a bunch of stuff that I brought to London and flipped everybody out with. They were like, “This guy’s bringing in his own set design.” But there was a lot of really interesting stuff and we just never got to explore it, because we were chasing a start date.

Quint: So he was able to build that kind of aquatic face hugger, but you guys were never able to shoot it?

David Fincher: You know I don’t know if it was built. I don’t really recall. It’s sort of like if you’ve been in a massive car accident where you just kind of remember the aftermath.

Quint: I remember when he showed me that, it was like “Wow, that is so badass.” And when he showed me that, it was before the work print and so I was really looking for it in the quadrilogy that came out and…

David Fincher: Never saw it.

Quint: Never saw it… but no, I love the idea of it adapting to the environment and everything, but I am an ALIEN nerd.

David Fincher: I love the first one, it’s amazing.

Quint: I love Scott’s and I love Cameron’s sequel and I love… I don’t know, it’s just a great and fantastically designed universe and so I just love that stuff. ALIENS was always my childhood thing, but anyways we should definitely start talking about this special edition of ZODIAC. Now the first DVD release that Paramount put out was pretty bare bones, were you always wanting to have the definitive one?


David Fincher: We had always been planning it. It was kind of like the same thing that happened on PANIC ROOM, you know Prior and I got together and said “We want to do this,” and he would run off and come up with a bunch of ideas and then we would take that off to both the home video departments at both studios and said “This is what we want to do” and they would say “great great great” and then checks never got cut and people didn’t get paid for months and months and months and months. So the process slowed to nothing and then finally at the last minute it was like “Hey, we need that stuff in four weeks because we’ve got to put out a DVD” and we were like “You are joking, right? We have to make all of this stuff…” So there was a lot of people just panicking to throw something together and that’s why you end up with the vanilla disks of PANIC ROOM and ZODIAC.

Quint: But you look at something like the Peter Jackson formula for DVD releases, at least when you put out a second version you don’t put out a disk that has some stuff on it and then you put out a special edition that just has an extra commentary or something. This is a completely different package then what you guys have been putting out now, so it doesn’t feel like a double dipper.

David Fincher: Yeah… but… like, we had nothing to do with the second disk for FIGHT CLUB. There was only one disk that we were ever making for FIGHT CLUB, the one with the brown wrapper and then the other one got… You know home video divisions… they’re like little fiefdoms… they’re like the little Banana Republics at all of the studios. They sort of do what they think is right and best and I just like to sniff out little things for people to go… People rant and rave about the amaray trays and bitch and moan about the artwork, just kind of sending them to studio… with the people at the studio going “See? What did we tell you?”

Quint: I love the case for ZODIAC. I got the HD disk and I love the case. It feels like something Criterion would have done.

David Fincher: Oh good. We love to Peter Becker and all of the stuff he has done. He’s an amazing guy. I have those guys and you know they still are the benchmark.

Quint: Oh definitely. I grew up in the Bay Area, but…

David Fincher: Where?

Quint: Little town called Sunnyvale, next to Cupertino.

David Fincher: Hardly little.

Quint: Not anymore, I hear it’s gotten pretty massive, but it wasn’t very big when I lived there, but you know the Zodiac stuff was before my time, but my mom was a teenager when that was going on. She lived in Los Gatos and she was telling me just a story the other day about how during the Zodiac time… it was right when he sent out the thing saying that he was going to start picking off kids on busses, it was like the weekend after that that all of her friends were going up to San Francisco for a day and there was a huge argument with her mom, because to get up there they would have had to have taken a bus and the amount of fear that just gripped everybody there… She ended up winning the argument and able to go up, but the condition was that she had to call every hour on the hour and say “The Zodiac didn’t get me.”

David Fincher: (laughs) “I have not been shot yet.”

Quint: It’s just fascinating and what I think is really fascinating about the Zodiac is the riddle aspect. He’s almost like a real life Batman villain when you think about it.

David Fincher: He came up with his own costume and came up with his own symbol and he did all of that stuff.

Quint: Very theatrical…

David Fincher: The Dark Knight is a pretty good example of the thought process behind it. The moniker and yeah it was an amazingly weird time. It was very very very strange and San Francisco was a strange place and the Bay Area was a strange place at that time, because it was very cosmopolitan and progressive and saw itself as being above that and yet got so whipped into a lather by this crazed postal worker with horn rimmed glasses who hunted and yeah it was pretty odd.

Quint: They were caught up in that state of fear.

David Fincher: Yeah, and there were more people than not who where saying “Hey, what are the odds?” but for kids I don’t know… For me at the time I was in second grade or something, but it freaked me out. I was really like... you felt it and it was palpable. That was the first time that it had been explained to me that it was possible that people could hunt other people and that idea was just… especially the way that he put it. I mean what he was saying “I’m going to be hunting these people… I’m going to be hunting humans… Man is the most dangerous animal of all,” and so in that context for a seven year old it was pretty bizarre.

Quint: Just going back to another story that my mom used to tell me was that she was saying that as a high schooler, she went up to San Quentin a lot to visit a guy named Gregory Ulysses Powell, who was the “Onion Field” guy and she got into some weird San Quentin pen pal relationship with that guy and he introduced her to a guy… She just told me this the other day when I was talking about your movie, but this guy introduced her to a guy named David Margris, who at one point was one of the Zodiac suspects, because he had committed a robbery kidnapping murder and it’s just so weird how all of a sudden all of this stuff is coming out where… If you met my mom, she’s definitely not the kind of person you would ever imagine going up to San Quentin and visiting these guys and she’s like “Oh yeah, all of these famous murderers and stuff, I used to go visit them in prison…”

David Fincher: (laughs) Why did she do that?

Quint: I don’t know. I honestly don’t know.

David Fincher: And this was in High School?

Quint: I think she was High School or College aged, yeah. I don’t know and maybe I don’t want to know why… It’s fascinating and I just love that there’s this whole kind of… It’s almost become mythological in proportion in what happened here with Zodiac and with all of that and I think a lot of it has to do with that there was never a definitive arrest and that’s kind of what has led to the obsessiveness about it.


David Fincher: Oh it was insane. They printed this guy’s handwriting and they did all these things that now they have some sort of federal oversight whenever there’s a situation like this and I understand B2K and NightStalker and things like that, but the (San Francisco) Chronicle was in the fact that the conduit for this guy and they… They weren’t protecting him, but they certainly didn’t want anybody else to get this story and it’s funny how he sort of gravitated to them because of the things that they not allowed him, but the things that they did for him. The protocol now for dealing with this kind of person, certainly with Son of Sam, was that they never… the only thing you got was the guy’s handwriting. You just don’t print his handwriting, you can’t do it. It was a nutty time. It was before… I don’t even know if the term “Serial Killer” had been coined yet. I don’t think so… 1969, but anyways it was particularly nutty and again Bundy was working the Santa Cruz circuit.

Quint: And Charlie Manson in Southern California…

David Fincher: Manson was out in the valley like planning their incendiary race war riot… You know, it’s like “Wow.” It was crazy and this was two years after the summer of love, so.

Quint: It’s like it was almost tailor made for film. That’s what is so weird about it, that it feels kind of alien now, like we are in a different kind of state of fear now.

David Fincher: Remember, right in the middle of the investigation is when DIRTY HARRY came out. DIRTY HARRY was… that was a big movie and it was a seminal movie in terms of.. it was the first time the audiences embraced the notion that we could fight back against those people who would insight fear in us by being less than tolerant about how we were going to… You know, people’s roaring approval of Harry Callahan said a lot about where people were about Manson and Zodiac, but you know it’s weird that right in the middle of investigation, maybe I shouldn’t say middle, but eleven months into this investigation that somebody had already taken the thread of the story and turned it into fiction that was… It was a weird thing, too, that in the Bay Area, because it felt like after DIRTY HARRY came out, it felt like the case had been closed or that whenever you would talk to somebody, like 1974, I remember asking friends “What happened to the Zodiac…” “Oh, I think they shot him or something…”

Quint: “Dirty Harry got him!”

David Fincher: Yeah, exactly. It wasn’t as lame as that, but it was nearly… It’s like “Yeah, I think he got it by the gravel pit..” because again I knew all of those locations, like where Dirty Harry jumps off that trestle into that gravel quarry that used to be out in Larkspur Landing. Now it’s this place you can go and get gourmet cookies and coffee and stuff, but it used to be this rock quarry that was literally a block from San Quentin. If you look in that footage, San Quentin has its fences, cyclone fences, right at the point were he shoots Scorpio and that was right by San Quentin and so it became at the same time that kids are mythologizing the whole “Oh yeah, he climbed out of the tree like a spider dressed all in black and he had knives and he’d tie people up and he would slit their throats and stuff” and the whole thing had been changed into this bizarre superhero. You also had people by the mid seventies who were going “Yeah, they caught that guy in Bakersfield or something like that…” So when I got the script and I hadn’t read Graysmith’s books, when I got the script I was like “Oh my God, that’s what happened. It just fizzled out.”

Quint: I think it’s a great script and I think that you’ve put together one of your best ensemble casts, too. Your casts have always been really strong, but this one… It’s not so much the great leads. Of course Downey is great and Jake’s great, but I just love the people that you pack around them, specifically like Elias Koteas and my favorite is what you did with Charles Fleischer. You made Roger Rabbit scary!

David Fincher: So, you’ve never met Charlie…

[Both Laugh]

David Fincher: He’s hilarious.

Quint: And John Carroll Lynch…

David Fincher: Oh, he’s amazing. I think Mark Ruffalo and oh my God, Tony Edwards is just so much fun.

Quint: Yeah, and Brian Cox. There’s so many people that are just so great in this film, so is that…

David Fincher: Candy Clark! Can’t forget Candy Clark!

Quint: What’s the saying? Ninety percent of the director’s job is casting the movie. Is that something that you subscribe to?


David Fincher: Well, I mean it is like putting together a basketball team and you know you’ve got to have a point guard and you’ve got to have a center and you think about how they’re going to gel and how they’re going to work and support one another. I don’t know if 90 percent, but a good half of your job is getting the actors who will help tell your story, because you want… Look, John Getz did a lot more for this movie than we did for John Getz, but to get a guy like that who is that skillful to come in and give you 25 or 30 takes in this round robin scene where everybody has two lines and it’s like twenty pages of yak yak yak. You know, that’s a great feeling when you know that you have got people, like John Terry, people of that quality to make the thing sing. But buy the same token it’s like you have to do that behind the camera too. You have to make sure that you’ve got people that are supporting the concept or the conceit of it, so yeah I mean I think casting is a large part of it and finding the right faces that can help tell the story and the right kind of egos, but I think if you’ve got… you know the script was a pretty good worm to get all of these people to say yes and I think that they saw that. It was like “this is truly an ensemble.” When you say to somebody “Yeah, it’s kind of an ensemble and they look and one guy’s name is on every other line on every page, they’ve got to go “right right right…” This really was. You can go through it and see Graysmith disappears for twelve pages or twenty pages and then he comes back. I also think that people read the script and where like “Wow, I did not know that this had happened!”

Quint: I know that’s how I felt while watching the movie.

David Fincher: Yeah, casting is a big part of it at every level, but even with wardrobe you’ve got to cast the right people in those gigs, too. Luckily we got Casey [Storm] and Victor [Zolfo] and Donald Burt, so yeah it was everybody. You’ve got to choose right and get people who are committed and want to be there and want to help make the thing what it needs to be.

Quint: That’s cool, now are you still attached to TORSO?

David Fincher: Yeah, we’re waiting for the strike to end.

Quint: I love the graphic novel.

David Fincher: Yeah it’s good, but the script is very different. Have you read the script?

Quint: I have not.

David Fincher: It’s pretty cool.

Quint: It’s another great kind of fictional angle on a…

David Fincher: It’s not fictional. It’s pretty much the true story and I mean it’s compressed true story, but it’s a true story. People say “Ah that’s a serial killer movie” and it’s really not. It’s really the Eliot Ness story and the fall of Eliot Ness and it’s pretty great.

Quint: I think people are really fascinated by the true life crime thing, especially with people as notable. In the case of ZODIAC, that was a huge thing and everybody knows about it and everybody knows about Eliot Ness, but they might not know… What’s fascinating to me about it is like you were saying is about his decline, but it’s not his heroic hour.

David Fincher: Yeah, that’s for sure.

Quint: I think that’s pretty good. Is that what you are aiming for to be your next project post strike?

David Fincher: Oh I don’t know. It’d be great, but I’ve got a lot of stuff I’m looking at and you just never know what’s going to take flight, because it’s an odd alchemy, trying to put a movie together, because it’s not just about people’s schedules. It’s also about regime changes at studios and people get weird like “We’re not making these kinds of movies anymore…” “No characters with facial hair…” (laughs)

Quint: Really? That’s awesome… Well, that’s not awesome, but it’s still funny. “You can’t have a mustache, teenagers don’t go for that these days…”

David Fincher: You don’t really know, like some people have a weird aversion to period movies and some studios go and make a big expensive movie that take place in the forties and it goes in the toilet and then they come back and the thing that they learned from it was “No movies that take place in the forties…” So, who knows? It’s one of the things I’m definitely looking at and one of the things I would love to make.

Quint: You’re also attached to RENDEZVOUS WITH RAMA, right?

David Fincher: Yeah.

Quint: That’d be pretty fascinating, too.

David Fincher: Yeah, it’s a great story. It’s just… I mean talk about a piece of work that’s been… talk about a corpse where the bones have been stripped. There was so much of it that was taken for STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE and ALIENS… So many movies owe their plotting and stuff to that story, so we have to be careful about what’s the part that we’re going to use, because a lot literary conceits in there that maybe aren’t ultimately the most cinematic.

Quint: Yeah and well I think that’s about all I’ve got. I won’t take up any more of your time, but I really appreciate you taking the time to talk to me, so…

David Fincher: Did you get a chance to look at that DVD? You saw the documentary and stuff like that?

Quint: I literally got it last night, so I haven’t watched it yet, but I’m going to watch the whole thing and review up the disk for the site, so I will. I’m very much looking forward to it just reading about the feature length documentary that you have. That kind of stuff is interesting to me, so I’ll definitely be watching it.

David Fincher: Well I hope you like it.

Quint: I think I’m pretty predisposed to.

David Fincher: (laughs) Well, thanks very much, man.

Quint: Thank you.

David Fincher: Bye.

So there you have it. The DVD and HD-DVD both hit on the 8th. I hope you guys liked the chat and I have to thank the lovely redhead at Paramount for setting this interview up as well as Mr. Fincher for putting up with my nonsense for 38 minutes. And a special thanks to Muldoon for slaving away at the keyboard preparing this one for you. I hope everybody has a very happy New Year and a prosperous 2008! -Quint

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  • Dec. 31, 2007, 7:17 a.m. CST

    allright,Fincher is the MAN

    by travis-dane

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 7:26 a.m. CST

    I have no repsonse to this interview

    by redfist

    no smart ass remarks, not witty retort. Would be nice if he lived up to the potental that he showed in his first 3 films.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 7:27 a.m. CST

    Alien 3 should be erased from our collective memories

    by xannibal

    That series has never been the same since.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 7:29 a.m. CST

    I agree Travis

    by kilik777

    Zodiac is probably the most underrated movies of the year. I wish they would have talked about the differences between the two cuts. I guess I'll have to find out for myself.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 7:31 a.m. CST

    Nah, still don't like his movies.

    by DerLanghaarige

    Yes, Fight Club is the best film of the 90's, Panic Room is entertaining and Zodiac is in its first 45 minutes very interesting but that's it. He isn't pissing me off as much as Tarantino does anyway. Happy new year!

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 7:37 a.m. CST

    (Everybody Laughs)

    by evolvingsensblty

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 7:38 a.m. CST

    Zodiac .....

    by Be_a_zed

    .... is exactly how "The Black Dahlia" should have been ! Suspenseful, showing the key characters obsession with the murder/murders and how it ruined their lives. But DePalmer fucked it so thats that.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 7:44 a.m. CST

    I love Alien 3

    by kwisatzhaderach

    It has problems but it's such a stylish and foreboding piece of work, especially given all the problems surrounding it's production. Right from the stunning opening credits you can tell there's an artist at work. I'm looking forward to Button, seems like a new area for Fincher to be working in.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 7:46 a.m. CST

    Just read on IMDB ....

    by Be_a_zed

    .... that Fincher was going to direct the Black Dahlia ! I am therefore vindicated, thank you.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Fincher is a real artist,

    by travis-dane

    his movies are allways different.It is interesting to see how he is allways changing the way he does movies.Even if you dislike his work,it is allways something new and fresh he comes up with.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 7:57 a.m. CST


    by Man_of_Stool

    I loves me some Fincher.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 8:01 a.m. CST

    So Quint, you`re from Sunnydale?

    by Man_of_Stool

    You always struck me as a little hellmouthy...

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 8:04 a.m. CST


    by Thall_Joben

    It floats my boat to hear Fincher name-checked the Dark Knight, what a Batman movie he could make! My fondness for Aliens is diminishing over time, whereas Alien 3 is growing on me. Cameron's war-flick is hugely overrated and Alien 3 is slagged off way too much. It's a beautiful film despite it's flaws. Fincher's twice the director. Ding ding.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 8:06 a.m. CST

    I, too, love Alien 3...

    by Sledge Hammer's not the direction I would have gone in or the sequel I would have made or wished for, but in context of what it is I still very much love the film and rate it only marginally lower than Alien and Aliens. To me it's <b>after</b> Alien 3 that the franchise went tits up. Alien Resurrection was mediocre, and AvP and AvP:R were no better.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 8:07 a.m. CST

    Excellent stuff, thank you

    by mooch

    the comment about 'the redhead' from the studio was a bit timewarped but one of the best interviews I've read this year nonetheless. Cheers and happy new year. Can't wait to see this film again when this proper edition comes out.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 8:09 a.m. CST

    Sledge Hammer

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Spot on analysis. Resurrection is dreadful. Alien 3 has a real funereal atmosphere to it, perfect to close the series. I've blanked Resurrection and AVP from my memory.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 8:11 a.m. CST

    Sledge Hammer

    by Thall_Joben

    With you on that one. 4 was a surprisingly big disappointment. I wonder how good 3 could have been with no interference.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 8:18 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    was a big step forward for Fincher IMO. His previous work (which I still love) always seemed to display a love for form over content but Zodiac is a near-perfect combination of form and content. Looking forward to seeing him mature further as a visual artist. Would love to see him tackle a historical.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Gotta agree guys...

    by Sledge Hammer

    ...and yeah, it definitely would have been interesting to see what Alien 3 would have been without studio interference, and I can certainly see why Fincher's own view of the film is tarnished by his experiences while making it, but by some miracle it still turned out to be a really great film, and a fitting end to the series in my opinion...even if it wasn't the film that it was originally envisioned as being. Definitely the most unfairly maligned of the series in my opinion.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Zodiac > Holywood Homicide > punching self > Black Dahlia

    by Spandau Belly

    I'm sure they'll make another adaptation of Dahlia in ten years. That DePalma garbage has already been forgotten.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 8:40 a.m. CST


    by John Maddening

    He probably meant "fiefdom", Quint.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 8:55 a.m. CST

    I caught Zodiac on TV last night again...

    by DanielKurland

    And I still love it so fucking much. I'm just captivated as soon as that retro Paramount logo appears. Such a beautiful film, with astounding performances. I'm just upset that because it came out so long ago, it may get forgotten at the Oscars, and it really doesn't deserve it.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 8:58 a.m. CST

    The scene towards the end of Zodiac...

    by DanielKurland

    where Graysmith is talking to Linda in jail and trying to force her to say that it was Rick Marshall, just because he's so obsessed and he doesn't even care what's true any more is fantastic. And there's so many visual wonders in this, like the shot of the yellow cab in the dark, that wonderful Golden Gate Bridge overhead shot, the tracking shot of the fireworks at the beginning. I could go on and on.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 8:58 a.m. CST

    fincher sucks

    by ironic_name

    opinion, not trolling.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Quint, I envy you!

    by GravyAkira

    You got a chance to sit and talk for nearly an hour with possibly my favorite filmmaker in the business. I wish you could have got his thoughts and opinions about shooting Zodiac with an HD camera though. Hopefully that will be on the DVD. Great work though man. It was a good read. And yes, I too have a love for Alien 3 so suck it!

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Best filmmaker under 50

    by Turnquest

    Fight Club = Best of 90s <br> Zodiac was one of the best of the year, though unfortunately because of its release date (last winter) it will probably be ignored by all the critics and awards. <br> I don't understand how fine, incredible works like "No Country" and "There Will Be Blood" (can't wait for it), strong, male-dominated works dealing with obsession and dark subjects could be smothered with praise but the same themes and execution is ignored with "Zodiac". Oh well. <br> Mr. Fincher: you inspire me.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Alien 3 sucked. but i forgive him

    by BMacSmith

    not quite Batman and Robin bad...

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Alien 3 fans unite!

    by Sledge Hammer

    This time it's war!

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Alien 3=the flaws give it personality

    by Robstar

    Alien 3 is kind of like Robocop 2. One of those "last of its kind" sort of movies. It stands on the shoulders of an established franchise and isnt afraid to simultaneusly do its own thing and rip off its own predecessor. There are also about a half dozen shots in the movie that are just killer. (Like in the extended cut when the two guys make small talk while carrying the dead ox)

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 9:51 a.m. CST

    I don't care if Fincher hates Alien 3...

    by Spandau Belly

    I still love it.<br><br>P.S. Above when I said Zodiac was better than Hollywood Homocide, I meant Hollywoodland, because everything is better than Hollywood Homocide.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Alien 3 is should never be erased from our collective memories!

    by theyreflockingthisway

    I absolutely love the film. I can see how it's butchered in it's original form but I honestly think the "special edition" holds up to the quality of the previous two films. <br><br> For a start I think it has the best alien design - the look of the original with the agility of the sequel's. The set design is fantastic and the story is a great end to a trilogy (as it was at the time). <br><br> I really like the lack of weapons idea. Not just the lack of weapons, but lack of any real technology. It's a movie set in a future that seems more like the past and I really like that. After facing these monsters with an vast array of technology and skilled marines, she now has to face a single one with no weapons. It's a more personal way to end the story for Ripley. <br><br> I have to admit I was a bit dissapointed at the killing off of Hicks and Newt but it's kind of necessary really. The actress who played Newt would be in her late teens when this was filmed so would be too old and having Hicks to protect Ripley from the inmates would have taken away from her vulnerability there. <br><br> It's good to say, over time and with the release of the special edition, other people are noticing Alien 3 for the great addition to the series that it is.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Enjoyed the interview

    by SpanksterOfLove

    Is it bad that I kind of wanna spend some quality time hanging out with Quint's mom? She sounds kinda cool.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Fincher needs to team up with Darabont

    by SpawnofAchilles

    and make The Dark Tower, cause that would just be awesome

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 10:57 a.m. CST

    I think Alien 3's major drawback was the way it was promoted

    by skimn

    Anyone remember the one sheet that stated three times the terror, three times the suspense, etc. ? Now if it stated three times the mood, three time the atmosphere...Back to Fincher, nice interview Quint..but speaking of obsessive, is it true that Fincher sometimes shoots 60 to 70 retakes of a shot until every little detail is correct? Not that theres anything wrong with that...

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 10:57 a.m. CST

    and maybe JJ

    by SpawnofAchilles

    can produce...maybe

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 11 a.m. CST

    I loved this part of the interview

    by mthrndr

    "David Fincher: I love the first one, it’s amazing. Quint: I love Scott’s and I love Cameron’s sequel and I love… I don’t know, it’s just a great and fantastically designed universe and so I just love that stuff. ALIENS was always my childhood thing, but anyways we should definitely start talking about this special edition of ZODIAC. Now the first DVD release that Paramount put out was pretty bare bones, were you always wanting to have the definitive one? " I don't know Quint's opinion of alien 3, but the above exchange seemed like he was sidestepping the suckitude of alien3 and changing the subject. it made me chuckle.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Alien 3 goes downhill...

    by lutz

    After the doctor dies. I love the movie up until that point but for some reason it isn't as compelling, interesting or as generally sexy afterward.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 11:05 a.m. CST

    I liked the part when

    by TerryMalloy

    Quint said, "Dirty Harry killed him" and Fincher was like, "no, it wasn't that lame..." That gave me a chuckle.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Have Definitely grown to love Alien 3!

    by jermcdee

    Studied it for its cinematography, and realized how much I really do like it. Especially the newer edition. The first time around it was hard to tell who was who, with all the bald characters. The Alien effects do look like crap to me know. And killing Hicks was definitely a mistake. But killing the doctor so early was a really bad idea.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 11:10 a.m. CST

    The Night Stalker scared me as a kid in the Eighties

    by Tacom

    The Zodiac killer was before my time but there was another serial killer in California, the "Night Stalker" that terrified the whole state. Even though the murders were happening in the Los Angeles area and I was living in San Francisco, everybody was still living in fear of him.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Polish posters

    by TerryMalloy

    are pretty cool. Check out the Apocalypse Now poster:

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 11:16 a.m. CST

    I was hoping you'd ask him...

    by Bot-Bot

    who he thinks is the Zodiac killer.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Also check out

    by TerryMalloy

    The Vertigo poster. It's bad ass:

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 11:19 a.m. CST


    by Playkins

    I remember being scared of that, too. My older brother used to talk about that and the Zodiac, and I was confused into thinking the Night Stalker murders happened in the bay area for a long time.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 11:23 a.m. CST

    10 years ago, it was universally accepted...

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    that everyone hated Alien 3. This is because everyone LOVED Aliens, and alien 3 takes a massive dump on Aliens in the first five minutes. People were so angry at that that there was no way they would like anything about the new film. I find a lot of people like Alien 3 now and i think a lot has to do with the separation from the second. Time has gone by etc etc etc. I dream of someday finding the asshole who first said, maybe we should kill off everyone but Riply. Geniuses.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 11:35 a.m. CST

    "doesn't feel like a double dip"?? you kiss-ass pussy!!!

    by FleshMachine

    this is THE definition of a double dip! i just bought zodiac a few months ago...motherfuckers.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Alien 3 trailers

    by Bramton1

    When the initial teaser said "On Earth, EVERYONE can hear you scream," of course the finished product is going to disappoint. I remember the trailer that said: "The bitch is back" and Sigourney Weaver asking "Am I the bitch?"

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 11:47 a.m. CST

    yeah its worth a look

    by Robstar

    Cobra. In fact theres about 24 mins of new stuff in there. It fixes about half of the continuity issues, and now you actually give a shit about each of the monks in the story,instead of just being confused about whos getting picked off at the end of the movie

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Charles S. Dutton's love child

    by Bramton1

    "You're all gonna die. The only question is how you check out. Do you want it on your feet? Or on your fuckin' knees... BEGGING? I ain't much for begging! Nobody ever gave me nothing! So I say *fuck* that thing! Let's fight it!"

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 11:52 a.m. CST

    A poster mentioned "Aliens" felt like cheesy 80's

    by ewokstew

    fare and he (or she) is right. I watched the first 3 from the Quadrilogy set and Cameron's movie feels big time dated. Right down to Paul Reiser's flock-o-seagull's hair cut and upturned jacket collar. Scott's film is not dated beyond the bulky CRT monitors, but yet somehow even those work even now. Fincher's film follows in the same vein, it doesn't feel dated but suffers only from some bad composite work from BOSS studios. Alien 3 is one of my all-time favorite genre films. The Quadrilogy cut made me a true believer. Now Fincher needs to get in there and make his cut!

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Great Interview

    by Aquatarkusman

    I'm not the world's biggest Fincher fan, but he hit a grand slam with Zodiac... that scene of Zodiac appearing in a field in broad daylight in his get-up was one of the most haunting he's ever done. It had a great feel to it that reminds me of the best aspects of All The President's Men.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 12:19 p.m. CST

    In hindsight Alien 3 is a masterpiece!

    by Pipple

    Alien resurrection was a goofy cartoon in comparison. Sorry to all those who apologize for it but fuck you, ok.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Shitting on Aliens

    by skimn

    Aliens "cheesy", ranking it low in the series, and now complaining about Paul Reiser's hair and clothing? Give me a fucking break!! Reiser was the corporate wienie, sorry he was attired as a corporate wienie. And cheesy? Cameron was able to give scope and scale on a budget of less then 20 million dollars, even 20 years ago. There is depth to Weaver's performance, and the editing is top notch. Remember the tagline "This time it's war." And that is what Cameron made, a Vietnam analogy, with soldiers fighting an enemy they thought could be easily handled, and finding out the total opposite to be the case.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 12:21 p.m. CST

    I liked Alien 3 too.

    by Mike_D


  • Dec. 31, 2007, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Awesome covers for the dvds

    by wash

    I held off buying it because they announced right at the beginning they would double dip, but I ain't buying shit though until they put this bitch on Blu-Ray.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 12:23 p.m. CST

    And though not a valid barometer

    by skimn

    Rotten Tomatoes rates Aliens 100%, Alien 3 32%. I know its not a fair sampling, but c'mon, 100%!!! Not a negative review in the bunch.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 12:40 p.m. CST

    The problem with Black Dahlia was...

    by yesiamaplant was not a "true crime" film. It was an adaptation of James Ellroy's fictional "solving" of the murder.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 = good movie, bad sequel

    by Mattapooh

    All the problems can be explained by how it pisses all over the flick before it. Hicks and Newt die in the first three minutes by DROWNING? Bad sequel. Once you get into the brilliant camera-work and lighting, great acting (Charles S. Dutton is amazing in the flick) and everything else, you realize it's actually a really good flick. The work print on the Quadrilogy DVD only emphasizes this.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 1 p.m. CST

    Fincher always feels like he's untapped potential.

    by rbatty024

    I only liked Seven and Zodiac. For some reason his films have great visuals but poor stories, and don't even get me started on Fight Club, the most overrated movie ever. Oh, and it really pissed me off that they killed Newt and Hicks off screen in Alien 3. That was lame. Cameron hands the next director a new direction to go with Ripley, a family dynamic, and they ruin it.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 1:03 p.m. CST

    So this is like the AVP2 talkback?

    by DerLanghaarige

    Only that all the Alien 3 fans have their coming out, and not the Resurrection fans?

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Oh, and I agree that the long cut of Alien 3 is better!

    by DerLanghaarige

    But it still sucks.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Great to see the love for Alien3!

    by DoctorWho?

    Never understood the dislike and critical thumbs down this film received. Beautifully shot. Somber and funeralistic. I love the slo mo shot of Newt and Hicks bodies into the fire. Very sad. And Lo and behold! Geeks like myself bringing the love! I just thought I was on the fringe on this one. Never saw the Fincher cut either, but I'm all over that next time I hit Blockbuster online.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 1:13 p.m. CST


    by Soulpower

    Three hours of perfection. Amazing

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 1:23 p.m. CST

    What's this Benjamin Button?

    by Avon

    Would have been nice to hear more about this in the interview. But that aside, I was hunting around for a decent Fincher interview and I just found one! And up to date as well.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 1:32 p.m. CST

    What about his work with Rick Springfield?

    by Alice Cooper Stalker

    Quint, Why didn't you ask him in detail about his work directing Rick Springfield's Beat Of The Live Drum? I can't believe you missed this stellar opportunity!! Instead you ask him about Aliens 3? UGGHHH!!!!

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 1:34 p.m. CST


    by MapMan

    As much as I love James Cameron's movies, I kind of wish Aliens was never made. It was a great sci-fi actioneer but it deviated too much from things started in Alien. For instance, the 'Company' knew about the warning beacon on LV-426 and decided to replace a crew member with Ash whose mission was to bring back the alien at the expense of the crew. This was never really revisited in Aliens except for Burke trying to do the same thing. I don't think a lone individual was devising the original plan in Alien. The whole back story of Alien. The alien ship on LV-426. The dead pilot. The warning. There is a great Alien movie to be made that tackles these questions. Why won't FOX ever make it? Why retread the same story over and over again? Sadly, I think in a few years time FOX will decide to 'reimagine' Alien and get some hack director to helm it.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 1:35 p.m. CST

    did i just enter crazy mixed up reverse world??!?!?!

    by BMacSmith

    You people are fucking nuts. Alien sucked TREMENDOUSLY HUGE BALLS. it was worse than 4. A bunch of bald European guys running around in tunnels= Alien 3. It also shit all over ALiens and ruined the ending by killing all the main characters (a cheap horror staple when they can't get the actors back or can't write). And worse of all, the Alien was a total pussy! Its like the writers were sitting around saying "hey! how can we top the Queen? i know lets make a smaller, weaker dog (or cow) alien that can be physically overpowered by a large man!" FUCKING BRILLIANT! the exploding alien ending was just plain moronic. and dont forget Bishop making a useless cameo. fucking weak, boring movie.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 1:38 p.m. CST

    yeah your right rod, A3 is soo much better than Aliens

    by BMacSmith

    i also think ice cream tastes terrible and prefer the smell of dogshit to fresh roses. I also cut myself cuz i'm a massive idiot. hahahAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAA

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 1:41 p.m. CST

    i used to 'not mind' alien3

    by aestheticity

    when i was younger. i could tolerate it alongside the previous films in a way i later couldnt with resurrection. but now i consider alien3 genuinely good. its a third approach in a series of different approaches. like someone said above, it had a funereal feel. maybe we could have had an even bigger future-war building on aliens. maybe we could have gone without ripley dying. we dont know if that would have been any good. what we got worked for me.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Great interview Quint!

    by TheIronGiant

    Lookin forward to that DVD review!

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 1:55 p.m. CST


    by Autodidact

    Aliens didn't age badly! It's the best looking film ever made! There are just a couple fashion details that date the making of the film. The integration between audio and set design in Aliens has never been equaled imho. It also makes extensive use of process photography and other in-camera effects like foreground mattes that still look better than any CGI in Star Wars, LOTR, you name it.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Mr. Fincher, when do we get a BD of Fight Club?

    by lynxpro

    Seriously, Mr. Fincher, I want to "upgrade" by getting a Blu-ray version of your masterpiece *Fight Club*. Just make sure Fox does a pristine transfer using a high bit rate in AVC. I say this because Fox can both ways with their BD releases...high AVC bit rates on stuff like *FF: ROTSS* and *28 Weeks Later* but then go really low-bit on others. I would love to see a similar package scheme like the DVD Special Edition of *Fight Club*. Hell, get Norton and Pitt back for a new commentary in the PiP for BD Profile 1.1; you guys certainly seemed like you had a great time together for the DVD commentary track back in the day...

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 2:03 p.m. CST

    I've grown to like Alien 3...

    by judge dredds fresh undies

    But come on, love Alien 3? Alien and Aliens are masterpieces, Alien 3 isnt. But yes, compared to everything that followed, 3 is a masterpiece. Fuck me Resurrection was awful. Alien 3 took the story somewhere most people never wanted to see but at least it is a decent film.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 2:04 p.m. CST


    by lynxpro

    Yeah, but *Zodiac* didn't have Jemima Rooper in that "excellent" topless scene from *The Black Dahlia* in it! That was enough for me to check it out, and in the theatre at that!

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 2:13 p.m. CST

    calm down skimm...

    by ewokstew

    Nobody's ranking it "low" in the series. I think it's a great movie. It has some of the coolest things going for it of any Alien movies, and trust me, it's hard for me to admit that considering I'm such a fan of the first one. But when a director, allows fashion trends and styles to be noticeably integrated into his movie, he or she runs the risk of dating the flick. And once it's dated, it completely takes you out of the whole world. When doing futuristic settings it's best to keep styles and the like as neutral as possible. Sorry, but Cameron faltered in that respect.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 2:17 p.m. CST


    by ewokstew

    Cameron will slap the proper respect back into me with Avatar. I hope...

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Alien3=The Ultimate Downer Blockbuster

    by nancyreagan

    I've always been impressed by the fact that Fincher, even under oppressive studio control, was able to take a major studio, big-budget franchise tent-pole summer blockbuster picture and turn-in something so defiantly dark, moody, and ultimately nihilistic. You gotta kind of respect that. On a side note, I remembered this Entertainment Weekly article written back in '93 on the video release of the then-complete trilogy. Some interesting, if supeficial analysis:,,312477,00.html

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 2:19 p.m. CST

    The Alien 3 love on this thread

    by kwisatzhaderach

    has restored my faith in humanity. Thanks guys.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Poor transcription, Muldoon!

    by thebearovingian

    No, really. Piss poor. It appears that someone has gone back into the interview and fixed where the "thiefdom" mistake once stood. How about proof-reading the whole damn thing and fixing the other errors? It pisses me off when I have to fuckin' guess (repeatedly!) what an article/ interview is SUPPOSED to say! "Hrmm. Is that an extra word in that sentence or is it actually missing a word?" If I was a crazy bastard I could just create a Fincher interview in my crazy mind. But I'm not so I'd like to READ a coherent WRITTEN piece. C'mon, AICN. Be great in '08.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 2:54 p.m. CST

    this thread is in dire need of some hate

    by BMacSmith

    Alien 3 was a terrible movie. and if the hairstyles of Aliens bug you, I guess the original Star Wars films are terrible. Helmet hair!

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 2:56 p.m. CST

    i also have always liked alien3

    by dr.bulber

    despite the studio chopping it up like shit.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Not much more I can add to the burgeoning ALIEN 3 love...

    by Leto III

    ...but that film has reserved a special place in my heart. And loins. My heartloins.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Wish Alien3 had not been about Ripley

    by Drath

    Big surprise the "we like to be contrary" talkbackers are swimming in to praise Alien 3, but that was definitly the biggest mistep of the franchise and the best thing about it is that it cut the teeth of David Fincher and prepared him to make Seven (or Se7en). In fact watching Seven I thought it felt like how an Alien movie should feel. Similarly I thought that Alien Resurrection was flawed--too tongue in cheek--and served us all best in that it seems to provide a template for Firefly. But to be honest I wasn't happy with either Alien 3 or Alien: Resurrection as parts of the Alien franchise. Ripley flying home with Newt, Hicks, and Bishop was a LOT more satisfying than any other ending since (though Ripley's sacrifice at the end of 3 was very powerful even if it was unwelcome). To me that series stopped with Aliens. I can tolerate Aliens vs Predator from a distance, it at least seems to do a lot of fan service, but it's definately not as well made a movie (I'm not even going to look at the new one Requiem) as either Alien 3 or A:R. I'm more interested in seeing Fincher's RAMA movie than another Alien flick. They'd better hurry the fuck up and make that thing before Morgan Freeman retires or something!

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST

    I used to hate Alien 3...

    by Lord_Soth

    Nowadays I just don't care. A little but vocal segment loves it, so let it be. It's still an awful sequel imho, so it shouldn't be erased from our memory, but renamed to "Tales of Ripley: Part I" or something like that. Resurrection and AVP are jokes, and as for Requiem, that's Predator 3 incorrectly titled.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 was Dogshit


    Simple and plain. I don't blame Fincher or anyone involved other than the tosspot who greenlighted the project. I hated it then and hated the directors cut, even if it did explain the Paul McGann story arc. Just an awful script littered with awful non descript characters. What really hurts apart from the shit story, shit characters, shit effects and the fact it doesn't even really make any sense, is that it makes watching Aliens pretty much a redundant venture.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Alien 3 was underrated...

    by ebonic_plague

    ...but when you start with this "Aliens is a TURDFEST!" nonsense, my bitchslap hand starts trembling. AVP was a turdfest. AVP:R was a turdfest. Aliens was a damn good movie and one of the few sequels to actually measure up to the classic original. Some of the most memorable scenes and characters from any 80's action movie, really any action movie, and you people wanna scream "turdfest" because your little arty atmosphere sequel got undeservedly panned? Buncha slack jawed faggots round here!

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 3:44 p.m. CST

    I loved "Alien 3"

    by 24200124

    And that's all I really have to say about that.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 4:07 p.m. CST

    "Marksfer Landing", Quint?

    by chumpmonkey

    That'd be "Larkspur Landing". In Larkspur. Right next to San Quentin, like Fincher said. You sure you're from the Bay Area?

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Aliens has no heart?

    by comedian_x

    To paraphrase Jerry Maguire, "[It's] all heart, motherfucker!" The whole movie is Ripley being a surrogate mother to Newt after her own daughter grew up and died while she was in cryogenic sleep. <p> Additionally, the very thing that separates all of Cameron's movies from other action/sci-fi movies is the the heart and sense of family.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 4:26 p.m. CST

    I like Aliens but...

    by BohemianMac

    Anyone who calls it a masterpiece is a douchebag who grew up in the 80s.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Happy new year!

    by DerLanghaarige

    And don't forget that the only good thing about Alien 3 is the cinematography! Otherwise it sucks complete! (But the long cut makes at least sense!)

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 4:29 p.m. CST

    comedian x

    by BohemianMac

    Cameron's sense of "heart" is adding a kid to it.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 4:39 p.m. CST

    "Adding a kid

    by comedian_x

    to it," is what Mummy Returns did. "Adding a kid to it," is what Temple of Doom did. They're adding a kid to have comic relief and to appeal to a younger demographic. <p> Cameron added the kid to give Ripley more depth as a character. It was a not frivolous act. I think it is a masterpiece of an action movie and I'm a douchebag who grew up mostly in the 90's... mostly.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 4:54 p.m. CST

    True Lies is about

    by comedian_x

    a man and a woman reaffirming their vows through the art of spy-craft; defeating terrorists is more effective than Dr. Phil. <p> Terminator 2 is about father/son dynamics while also being a statement on Oedipus and assisted suicide. <p> I could go on all day, but the fact is Cameron isn't just another action director.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 4:57 p.m. CST


    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    seriously? putting down Cameron and defending Alien 3. Cinema is dead. Rodholt... i really hope you are like only 16... because otherwise...

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Saw Alien 3 in 1992

    by otm shank

    Walked out of that theater pissed! But over time I've learned to appreciate it quite a bit. The biggest mistake they made was bringing Ripley back for the fourth one. They should have ended her story with dignity and gone another direction.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 5 p.m. CST

    Sorry, but really...

    by BohemianMac

    Cameron deserves what he fucking gets, people have been overhyping him since the beginning. I hate it when I go to Alien related forums and see that he is the one getting credit for making the Alien series great, as if Ridley Scott did nothing.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 5:02 p.m. CST

    People didn't want Alien 3...

    by Sledge Hammer

    ...they wanted Aliens 2, and when they didn't get that, but instead got one of the meanest edged franchise films/sequels ever, and one with a ballsy "downer" ending to boot, well people freaked and the bullshit backlash against Alien 3 began, something that, thankfully, has died down a little over the years as the appreciation of the film has grown, but the taint of said backlash still shadows the film to a certain extent. And it's truly ironic to see people actually attacking Aliens as a film now instead. <p>Me, as I've said above, I think all three films, Alien, Aliens, and Alien 3 are masterpieces in their own ways, and it was after Alien 3, when the creativity and flat out balls to "make a sequel but make it different, though still loyal to what had come before" ran dry, when that key factor that was so strong in both Aliens and Alien 3, when that evaporated and the repitition and paint by numbers non risk taking studio sequel 101 mindset took hold, well that my friends was truly when the magic died.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 is still utter shit, but...

    by photoboy

    ... re-watching it now it's clear there are a lot of great things in that film, especially the look and mood of the film. The thing that really lets it down is the shit script. Killing Newt and Hicks at the start? Killing Ripley at the end? A bunch of murderers and rapists that we're supposed to care about for protagonists? Facehuggers on the Sulaco despite there being no way for them to have got there? All total arse produce, and clearly not Fincher's fault. <br><br> It's speaks highly of Fincher that he's willing to take the blame for the film's failings I think. It's a shame he couldn't have contributed some thoughts to the Alien Quadrilogy set but I don't blame him for not wanting to have anything to do with it.<br><br> Looking at the rest of Fincher's work it's clear he could have made a great Alien film if the cunts in suits had given him a decent script. I think the big problem was they let Sigourney be a producer which meant she could start dictating plot points. This resulted in her stupid pacifist desire to not touch a gun in the film and to be killed at the end (and her desire to have sex with an Alien was worked into Resurrection).<br><br> They should have done the aliens-on-earth story the early teasers for Alien3 promised instead of that shitty prison story.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Aliens is a goddamned masterpiece

    by BMacSmith

    you ungrateful fucks should be gassed.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Just saw Aliens at a private screening in Bangkok, China...

    by BohemianMac

    It was good, but over-rated by losers who need lives.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Aliens is a masterpiece

    by the_scream

    Even Fincher doesn't like Alien 3. Typical talkbackers here always praising the underdog and crapping on great films to make a statement.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 5:39 p.m. CST

    aliens is a masterpiece goddammit

    by mthrndr

    Just thought I'd throw my opinion into the mix too. Rodholt is clearly wrong. To me, the scene where newt's brother moans 'kill me' and then the alien bursts out of his chest remains one of the most rending, indelible cinematic images ever created. And this film absolutely holds up. Fuck Paul reiser's hair and jacket; who cares about that? The film as a whole is timeless and feels like it as I watch it today.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Newt's brother...

    by BohemianMac

    ...when does that happen mthrndr? I thought he only appeared in one scene!

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Ahhh Fincher...

    by seniorspeilbergio

    I love this guy. He has to be the only director to come out of the music video world who actually has as fine a grasp of story and character as he does visual style. I don't know if that will ever happen again. I almost walked out of Alien 3 when i saw it in the theater but now, every time I see it on cable I'm compelled to stop and watch it. It's absolutely gorgeous. Seven blew me away. Just when you though you've seen enough serial killer movies: wham! Suprise! No, you haven't. And what about The Game? One of the best thrillers of the 90's. I love Michael Douglas in that. A very brave performance to play the guy as such a miserable weenie. Hell, the girl has bigger balls than he does in that flick. And Fight Club. Why even say anything at all. We all knew it was a masterpiece when we saw it. I remember thinking in the theater "how the fuck did this get by the suits?" Panic Room was a dissapointment and I can't believe I haven't seen Zodiac yet but from what I'm hearing here and from other people I better buy that one right fucking now. I really want to see Fincher do Rama. This guy doing an intellectual science fiction film on his own terms? God, I drool just thinking about it. I'd say Fincher and PTA are the best hopes for saving Hollywood right now. Seeing Fincher beat the living shit out of Micheal Bay is my personal wet dream. Who wouldn't pay to see that?

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Lazy audiences complain about films looking 'dated'

    by judge dredds fresh undies

    And it really pisses me off. All the alien films betray the decade they were produced in to a certain extent. Aliens portrays a far more convincing universe than resurrection despite the massive technological advances the filmakers had at their disposal in 97 compared to 86. And people complain about hairstyles!

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 6:17 p.m. CST

    hmm, maybe it wasn't newt's brother

    by mthrndr

    The scene I'm thinking about might not have been her brother. I always thought it was a younger boy, and in the 'special edition' where they show newt and her brother playing, it seemed like that was the same kid. either way, it messed me up pretty good when I was about 10.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Here's the bottom line

    by ewokstew

    hate or like alien 3, ALIENS, Alien: Resurrection, etc, etc..none of them would have existed if they hadn't sprung forth from the loins of Scott's classic. If he read these talkbacks he would probably have a big laugh and then promptly forget we even existed.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 6:41 p.m. CST

    I just looked up Polish movie posters online

    by Iowa Snot Client

    ...and every single one of those goddamn things is going to give me nightmares. The Benji and Flipper posters will give me nightmares. I am officially freaked out.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 7:07 p.m. CST

    More idiocy

    by m_prevette

    OK, Aliens was a masterstroke of sci-fi/horror hybrid. Aliens, although heavily filtered through Cameron's sensibilities, added nice touches to the mythology and still holds up as a solid SF adventure. Alien3 was not a good movie, the extended cut is not a good movie. As Fincher himself once said, the only way to make it good is burn all existing prints and start all over. It did however fuel fanboy frenzy and started the cult of Fincher. Fight Club suffered from being based on a bullshit book, and the movie itself is bullshit. More fanboy jerking off. With Zodiac...and someone above first noted it, at it's peak it puts one in mind of All The President's Men. And a BRILLIANT move by Fincher in hiring David Shire to score. It's a fine, well made film but sad to say has no chance at Oscar time. It SHOULD be, but won't.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 8:02 p.m. CST

    How the fuck is Fight Club bullshit?

    by the_scream

    That film is awesome.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 8:44 p.m. CST

    Hey Scream...

    by seniorspeilbergio

    was it "the twist"? Is that what got you? Just curious.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 8:53 p.m. CST

    ALIEN3 should of been the end of Ripley.


    ALIEN:RESURECTION should have gone in a new direction w/o her. Let Joss Wheaton stick to Buffy. Love the Director's work, the visuals (except for the newborn) and the actors, but it was just too flat of a script.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 8:57 p.m. CST


    by seniorspeilbergio

    Are we talking about Fincher or Alien3? I can't help but notice that the above article was an interview with the director.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 9:58 p.m. CST

    this is the worst talkback thread i have ever read.

    by BMacSmith

    First i read posts from about 20 people (probably the only 20 people in the world) who think Alien 3 is great, then a few morons dare question the greatness of Aliens. now I'm hearing Fight Club sucks?!?!? Have you all gone mad? Are you FUCKING NUTS!? I have lost my faith in movie fans. I died a little inside today. thanks assholes.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Fight Club rocked, Alien3

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    Was an excellent movie if considered on its own merits, but a bad sequel like someone said. Is Fincher really rumored to be doing Rendezvous with Rama? That would be awesome.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 10 p.m. CST

    RodHolt . . .

    by Thall_Joben

    "Alien 3 is the strongest in the series for me. It's the film where I connect most with the character of Ripley, & the photography is absolutely beautiful". "To me Aliens just feels sooooo cheesy 80's action/sci-fi." I still prefer Alien the best, but I agree with you otherwise. It make's a really pleasant change to read a talkback where Cameron's not being treated as the second coming! I think Alien 3 certainly has my favourite score.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 10:04 p.m. CST

    I wish I could like Zodiac

    by myspoonistoobig

    I read this website called and it goes through the movie point by point and disputes easily over 75% of it. My problem is not that the movie needs to be entirely accurate but that it should present things in something that is true to the spirit of what happened. My bigger problem is that the movie is meant to be about obsession and what happens when one can't win, can't find closure, and if that's true then the true story makes for a better movie than the movie's version. I respect the filmmaking technique at work, and again, I don't need a movie to be a play-by-play of staunch accuracy but the movie is so far off base that I can't really get into it.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 10:16 p.m. CST


    by wash

    The main problem is that the film was based on Graysmith's book, which Fincher took mostly at face value. Fincher claims he did some of his own research, but really you need to blame the screenwriters who just adapted Graysmith's biased and ego-inflating account.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Alien 3

    by Blood Simple

    Forgive me if my post repeats what others have said (I didn’t read the entire talkback) but I have grown to really respect Alien 3. I just got back from seeing AvP-R, and my god, what a steaming pile of dogshit that was. I was actually depressed, because these once mythical, awe-inspiring cinematic creatures have been reduced to D rate, straight to video quality shit. I revisited the first three films (I consider Alien Resurrection a disaster, but with some interesting bits) to keep them fresh in my mind, and hopefully to help forget the recent abortions. What I found was that Alien 3 had an incredibly dark, dread-filled and aggressive style all its own. It felt more like the first film on steroids. Part of the problem I think audiences had, including myself, was that it departed in style form the much-loved sequel. People wanted to see another action adventure story with Ripley and Hicks, and instead got a brooding, claustrophobic nightmare. Not what I wanted, but I applaud the attempt to challenge expectations. As others have said, the cinematography and production design are stunning – there was an artist at work. Shame Fincher didn’t get to realize the film his way, but all I’m saying is that what we did get is still infinitely better than the recent garbage Fox has served us. It’s sad, because I don’t think there’s any hope of rescuing the series, or brining it back to its former glory. So, for me at least, the series died with Ripley in Alien 3 and that film will serve, respectively, as the gravestone.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 is a lot like The Phantom Menace

    by deathbird

    Sure, they're not entirely palatable, but I'll be damned if Fincher (et al) and Lucas didn't make some bold storytelling decisions. I'm at a loss to name two "popcorn" flicks from the past 15 years that were more...gonzo.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 11:08 p.m. CST

    I agree deathbird

    by sith_rising

    when I saw Alien 3 in highschool I felt like I had been kicked in the mouth considering how much I had anticipated it after Aliens. But I watched Alien 3 about a million times through the 90's and wore out several VHS tapes, and now love it as much as Alien, possibly even more than Aliens. It's certainly better than A:R. As for AVP and AVP:R, I love both of those two, I just consider them trash popcorn cinema like The Mummy or LXG. As for The Phantom Menace, I loved it opening night and saw it in the theater about 10 times. Most folks hated it, but we're coming up on it's 10 year anniversary, and I think people will warm up to it.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Oh, and I prefer A3 (Assembly Cut) to Aliens

    by deathbird

    Aliens is certainly better crafted, but I find it a hollow experience; Alien 3 had comparatively deeper characters, superior score and performances, enveloping atmosphere, and a more sophisticated temperament. Nothing from Aliens has haunted me like Dillon's eulogy for Hicks and Newt, Clemens' confession, and Ripley's final stand against the Company. To each his/her own.

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 11:45 p.m. CST

    I wish you could listen to the whole interview.

    by GQtaste

    instead of little stippets of it. And I too would have liked to hear more about 'Case of Benjamin Button.'

  • Dec. 31, 2007, 11:46 p.m. CST

    Not sure how TPM will fare, sith_rising

    by deathbird

    However flawed, I think it's vastly superior to the insipid Return of the Jedi and the dour Attack of the Clones. (Saw it six times in the theater, and loved it more with every viewing.) Considering the media's incessant drubbings, I doubt TPM will ever escape infamy; then again, it'll be up to the younger generation to provide the last word on how the prequels stacked up.

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 12:21 a.m. CST

    Alien 3 had its moments

    by the_scream

    I liked the Dillon character and the Doctor. Also didn't mind the grumpy warden. But the rest of the cast was atrocious. Totally unlikeable and indistinguishable. What really bugged me was that A3 was pandering to the whole concept of showing Ripley surrounded by disgusting rapists and murderers. Putting Ripley front and centre then completely writing out the other characters off screen was lazy writing. Then what do we get? An alien that is totally animal like for the first time, running around on all fours and tearing people to shreds with its claws and teeth. Sure, a "dog alien" but totall turned the complete "alien" nature of the creature into something immediately identifiable in our own world. The last third of the movie is a disgrace as one by one we watch people slaughtered until it loses all impact and became utterly boring. Compare this to Cameron's Aliens where every few minutes, something new is happening. Running through air vents, dueling with the mother alien in the power loader, creeping about in an alien nest. And then there are the so-called artistic moments like the funeral scene with the heavy handed birth-death metaphor complete with slow-motion. And once again when Ripley dives into the lava with the new birth of the alien, complete with slow-motion. You couldn't believe Fincher could make something so contrived. Awful stuff. And the sets are just plain lousy. I can't believe how much they look like sets thrown together, yet all I hear is how praised the "look" of Alien 3 is. It could have been but it wasn't. The idea of an alien creeping around a filthy intergalactic factory is awesome. Some moments are cool but, for the most part, we get nothing from it. Oh, and we have to put up with the tired cliche where the main character tries to convince everyone there's an alien killing people and, low and behold, nobody believes her. Gee, didn't this already happen in Aliens? Did they really need to recycle this again and bore the audience to death?

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 12:23 a.m. CST


    by blunderbu55


  • Jan. 1, 2008, 1:28 a.m. CST


    by hamslime

    I'm not quite sure what you mean by "saving Hollywood". If it has to do with the output then neither Fincher nor Paul Thomas Anderson are going to be much help as their movies don't gross much at the box-office. As bad as that sounds, that is all that matters. What will make Hollywood produce quality movies is if theatre goers like ourselves, but most importantly the casual ones demand quality. One BIG step would be to stop going to see turds from known shit-factories such as Bay, Emmerich, Ratner to name a few. Instead create positive hype from talents such as Gilliam, Lumet, and of course Fincher and PTA. I see WAY TOO MUCH talk about how talented directors who have proved themselves time and again are "overrated" and as a result their movies tank in the theatres. Then when some half assed "loosly based on a comic book, video game, something vs. something else" comes along that we all know from the phrase "A McG Film" will suck the skid marks off of a condom, people wait until they've seen it before trashing it. By then it is too late and the movie already made a billion trillion dollars and production has begun on the sequel. I just think if we (the ones paying for the tickets) reverse that then we might see movies like There Will Be Blood, and Control get a wide release and crap like Wild Hogs wouldn't even be made. And voila! Hollywood is saved! That is of course if some independent producer or film maker (Robert Rodriguez, Roger Avery, maybe)doesn't come up out of the woodwork to nurture talent and bury Hollywood instead.

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 2:01 a.m. CST

    Alien 3 sucks!

    by hallmitchell

    I never watch sci fi with bald people. It always sucks. I thought David was attached to the Motley Crue movie. Shame that didn't happen.

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 4 a.m. CST

    Fincher is great.

    by TattooedBillionaire

    I'm a big fan of Zodiac, and I don't think Alien 3 is nearly as bad as some say. Still, I wish the suits stayed away from it.

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 4:32 a.m. CST


    by Blood Simple

    "Fans" have some fucked up taste, thats for sure.

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 6:45 a.m. CST

    Very True, Blood Simple.

    by Knuckleduster

    I still think Ace Ventura 2 is a hoot.

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 7:09 a.m. CST

    The Truth

    by Cronenfly

    Alien is the superior film here. Alien 3 was a beautiful failure. Aliens was a fantastic sequel. Fight Club was a great adaptation. Visually Se7en was a masterpiece. AVP is the real atrocity here

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Hahah, yeah...

    by BYOBkenobi

    Quint spilling to Fincher that his mom had some freak obsession to visit criminals in the hole is by far, the definition of stopping someone in their tracks. He was dumbfuckled and speechless! Way to go!

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Ashok0: Matrix Insanity

    by Saluki

    I haven't a clue why you bring up the Matrix in every talkback. Anyways, the 'in thing' to do now is to say you loved Alien 3 and that Aliens was junk? 2008 must be bizarro year. The main problem with Alien 3? It wasn't entertaining. At all. Not easy movie to get though, and not because of the 'edgy' decisions.

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 10:14 a.m. CST


    by henrydalton

    This site is fantastic, has masses of them in an A-Z. Some of them are just astonishing (Apoc Now, Crocodile Dundee II, Short Circuit 2: Awesome.)

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 10:48 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    I've been saying Alien 3 was great since I first saw it back in 92. Just for the record. So I ain't jumping on any bandwagon. Aliens is great too, just in a different way. The cinematography on Alien 3 is far superior to the cinematography on Aliens though.

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Always dug ALIEN 3

    by caruso_stalker217

    And this is coming from a guy who has been watch ALIENS since he was dick-high. It never bothered me that they killed off Hicks and Newt at the beginning of ALIEN 3. And I was seven when I saw this movie! And all this crap about "Oh gee, everybody's British, they've all got shaved heads, I don't know how to use my fucking eyes, I can't discern one person from the next, oh and by the way all Asian people look the same, too." Jesus, people, get it together. I can understand your problem with the way the film is put together. Technically, it's not even really finished. It's like a jigsaw puzzle with a few pieces missing and also some of the other pieces got fucked up when they came out of the factory so some of them don't quite fit together. But I love the imagery of the film. I love the performances and the dialogue. I fucking dig the Goldenthal's music. And Charles S. Dutton is a bad motherfucker. So, yeah, I'll defend ALIEN 3 to my dying breath, or until a more reasonable resolution can be found.

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 10:59 a.m. CST

    And that Polish poster for AIRPLANE!...

    by caruso_stalker217

    ... is fucking insane!

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Just want to say...

    by AtomSmurf

    I really your way of interviewing people, maybe it's just the nerd in me who appreciates you and Finchers discussion on film posters in the beginning, but thats a great way of getting people to talk more at ease. Tnx

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 11:35 a.m. CST

    LOL, Yobo

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    That image just killed me.

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 11:37 a.m. CST

    I'd like his movies a lot better if

    by CherryValance

    I could see them. I'm not a fan of all the futzing around with color. It was interesting for a while, but I'm just sick of it in general. All the darkness and greens and browns, yick. With a such a good-looking cast getting me to leave the theater thinking "yick" is quite an achievement. </p> btw, did anyone notice that the first kill in 'Zodiac' was a lot like the first kill in 'Cruising'? I only just saw 'Cruising' and I was like 'hey, that's almost the same kinda'. I really thought that movie was great. It got a bad rap for nothing.

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Quint- FYI re: Facehugger

    by Gil Brooks

    The facehugger you're referring to is called the "queen facehugger" (as it carried the queen embryo), and it WAS in the Quadrilogy set. I forgot if the footage of it was in the newer cut, or just the behind the scenes stuff, but there is footage on there of the prisoners finding it's dead body.

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 12:47 p.m. CST

    I love The MATRIX TRILOGY!!!

    by travis-dane

    The haters cannot get over it!Just posted this to defend the movies,dont want to start a pro/contra MATRIX think,it is not the right place! THIS SHOULD BE FINCHER`S TB!

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Gil Brooks:It is in the new cut...

    by travis-dane

    it is the giant FACEHUGGER that puts the ALIEN in the bull.One of the prisoners finds it and holds it up.

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 1:04 p.m. CST


    by seniorspeilbergio

    I agree with almost everything you've stated. In fact, not paying for shitty movies by the likes of Bay is exactly what I do but the sad truth is, it won't make any difference and that's because, due to DVD sales, EVERY MOVIE MAKES A PROFIT NOW. It doesn't matter how bad it is, they always make a profit now with the DVD sales. That's why this writers strike is such a big deal. They don't just want a piece of that pie that the studios have been hoarding for themselves, they want to split the pie evenly. The studios know that if this comes to pass, they wont be able to make the same kind of profits off shitty movies anymore because now they'll have to (gasp!) share. Notice, that the last really good year for movies was 1999. That's around the same time DVD players became affordable for most everyone. And I haven't even touched the whole downloadable issue. I think that's a great idea to spin positive hype for these truly talented filmmakers but I just don't think it's realistic for exactly the reason you stated: Too many people, especially here; love to throw around that "overrated" phrase. I think that says more about how jaded and cynical the modern audience is then anything having to actually do with the talent of guys like Fincher. Besides, I think maybe you were taking my one comment about Fincher beating down Bay a little too seriously. Although, if it happened I wouldn't break it up. Happy New Year everybody!

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Alien3 sucks but it has the best image of the series

    by Tacom

    I don't think Alien 3 is underappreciated as some others here have claimed I still am disappointed by it but I WILL admit it has the best image of the entire series. The shot of Ripley against the wall, head shaved, crying and at the lowest point in her life with the alien right up against her and it's second jaw coming in close on her neck. It's definitely the most memorable image of the whole cycle for me.

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 1:48 p.m. CST


    by travis-dane

    we are a MINORITY!Example:I watched AvP2 in a sold out theater,about 650 people and I had the feeling I was the only one there who knew that AICN exists.And about 600 of them enjoyed it and on DVD it will go through the roof.And dont forget people:there are international sales,TV deals,cable and all that stuff!A SHIT movie like AvP2 costs around 30-40 mill.and sure will make a total of 150 mill.+,that is a lot of money for an easy to make,cheap talent involved,piece of SHIT!So if all of us MOVIELOVERS dont see AvP2 or any other SHIT movie it dont makes any difference!It is SAD but TRUE,we are a MINORITY.I live in Germany and I think in the USA the situation is even worse for a real MOVIELOVER!That is my theory and I have the sad feeling that I am right.That is why I am glad that there are some GENIUSES like FINCHER who try to make REAL GOOD movie!And if they FAIL sometimes,at least they TRY. HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU MOVIELOVERS.

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 1:54 p.m. CST


    by seniorspeilbergio

    got a point. Double that for the asian market. They'll buy anything.

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 2:04 p.m. CST

    What a shame seniorspeilbergio,

    by travis-dane

    sometimes I think the people have too much money to BUY SHIT!

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 2:10 p.m. CST

    oh, my bad....

    by seniorspeilbergio

    I totally forgot to address that "saving hollywood" comment. When I stated Fincher and PTA are the best hopes for saving hollywood I'm talking about by example. The biggest thing that separates a good filmmaker from a great one is the ability to make as few compromises as possible or, in the case of Kubrick; none at all. These guys are famous for that. They get the cast they want, the budget they want and in PTA's case, final cut and an immediate green light for anything he wants to make under his New Line contract. Mike De Luca refers to himself (when talking about PTA) as "the blank check guy". It takes balls to stand up to a studio until you get what you want. A lot of filmmakers don't do that anymore. But this is something both these guys had to learn for themselves which is what I think Fincher was getting at in the interview when talking about his Alien3 experience. PTA had a similar experience making Hard Eight. But they came out of those two productions more resolute to make movies on there own terms than ever before. If more filmmakers let the studios know that that's how they're going to approach their craft they will buckle. It happened once before. It was called the 70's. But anyway, that's what I meant by that statement.

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Does Fincher know how I can get a girlfriend?

    by kirttrik

    Because that's the question I'd ask him. yup, New Year's was horrible.

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 2:17 p.m. CST

    The chase sequence in Se7en...

    by chaplinatemyshoe an absolute thing of beauty. The movie itself is far from his best, but that sequence is damn near perfect in execution. There's this perfect clarity to the movement and framing of it that makes me revisit the scene alone from time to time.

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Hey guys, what about me getting a girlfriend! Any advice?

    by kirttrik

    Come on, I know you guys are holding out the secret from me. How do you make a woman swoon for your peached man breath.

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 2:22 p.m. CST

    I bet Fincher has, like, Seven girlfriends

    by kirttrik

    One for each sin. Hey YooOOOOO!

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Why is no one here today?...

    by Kid Z

    ... Did Harry have a New Years party and get the entire fucking staff drunk, sick and hungover on high-fat eggnog spiked with grain alcohol and barrels full of homemade Chex Party Mix? Right now they're all gathered around the only toilet in Harry's flat doing a "circle hurl."

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Hey kirttrik,

    by travis-dane

    take a shower,brush your teeth,get rid of the akne,dress nicely,IMPORTENT:HIDE YOUR MANTITS,dont talk about yourself all the time,dont pick your nose AND TELL HER IN ADVANCE THAT YOUR COCK IS TINY!(if you have a girlfriend:FUCK YOU!)

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 3:28 p.m. CST

    It should be noted

    by Mezzanine

    Just how fucking awesome that cover is for the special edition of Zodiac. Goddamn! As soon as I heard that they were going to be double dipping, I decided to wait, and I am glad that I did. That thing is a work of art. Kudos to whomever designed it!

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Re: Quint- FYI re: Facehugger

    by photoboy

    I've uploaded a picture of the "webbed" facehugger along with the shot of it from the extended cut:<br><br><br><br><br> Sadly you can't really see it properly in the film as it's too far from the camera and the picture quality of the extended cut is poor. Quite why they had a special facehugger for this scene I don't know, as it only impregnates the bull with a normal alien embryo. If anything it should have been the one on the Sulaco that impregnates Ripley with a queen, yet the film shows a normal facehugger doing that (but that's just another reason why the script/story is so incomprehensible and shit).<br><br> And to all the Cameron haterz: fuck you!!!

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Just so you know...

    by Flim_

    It's spelled S-E-V-E-N, you lackwits. Unless you pronounce it "Se-seven-en", it is categorically NEVER spelled with a '7', even if the title font leads you to believe otherwise.

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Fight Club sucks because...

    by m_prevette

    It's style over substance. The entire film is geared to the twist, which when revealed, makes no sense and violates the reality of the events that took place earlier. It works better as a literary device, the same type thing William Goldman has used several times in novels, and in print works very well. On screen, it doesn't work and was too obvious. The theme of the story is ok, "men need more than to drink Starbucks and look at L.L.Bean mail order" but the movie is clunky and too dependent on sizzle. The visual style was sure gimmicky, but that's all the film had to offer. Norton was fine, he always is, Pitt is Pitt, and HB Carter is still an acquired taste at best. It's one of those films, like Natural Born Killers, that revels in style, is drenched in a certain visual language all it's own, unique to this project, but has nothing to offer PAST that( although, Fight Club IS better than NBK, which is the WORST piece of shit I've ever seen). Fincher has made some solid films, Seven, Panic Room ( a nice B thriller) and Zodiac of course. Aside from the basic problem of being based on Graysmith's wrong-headed "investigation", the film is steady and gripping, the kind of adult meditation on obsession we don't see often. So yes, I again say , Fight Club falls into the "Ain't It Cool' model just fine, it's COOL, dude...but it's not a good movie.

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 score is amazing!

    by theyreflockingthisway

    Thanks for pointing that out - I forgot to mention it. It's probably my favourite in the series (though the others are great at creating atmosphere). <br><br> As for Dillion, it reminds me of some more great dialogue he has in the assembly cut. <br><br> Ripley tries explaing to him why the alien must be killed as the company will get its hands on it and he responds with "so?". She then says it will kill them all and he then says "so what? fuck them all"<br><br> That was something I always wondered about in Aliens - so what if they took some back, serves them right when it kills everyone in the company. Was cool to see a character say what I was thinking.

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Finsher For Alien 5

    by Unimaginative_Moneyhungry_Hollywood

    Now that Fincher is an accomplished director that has more pulling power & can steer his projects in the right direction, would he consider going back to the Alien Franchise to rectify it's problems, redeem the mess that was "Alien 3", grab it by the balls & make an new Alien movie that will make us shit our pants??? The franchise needs salvaging, Fincher needs a second chance to redo the Alien movie mess & now has the experience, the mean team-machine, the imagination & inspiration to potentially breath new life back into the franhise. Come on Fincher, do a "re-imagining" of the Alien... (but not a remake!) Grab it by the balls son & run with it! We are sick of these AVP sequals trash. Hell, I'll be happy if Fincher does totally different dark sci-fi movie. Alien 3 had great atmosphere at times; some scenes were amazing in design & style; lots of potential there. I can imagine a kickarse fightclub/alien3/seven inspired space opera... Vote Yes!!

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 6:15 p.m. CST


    by sai_justin

    I have loved Alien 3 since its release, definitely a good way to end the trilogy (Resurrection doesn't even register for me). So a big fuck you to the bandwagoners - you know who you are.

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 was screwed from the start

    by otm shank

    What with the rushed time frame and all the studio interference. Just the fact he made a watchable movie is testament to Finchers skills.

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 7:15 p.m. CST

    and Zodiac...

    by otm shank

    best movie I saw in 07.

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 7:17 p.m. CST

    m_prevette What "substance" are you looking for?

    by the_scream

    For me, Fight Club is thoroughly entertaining. The "twist" is more the mind-fuck that isn't required but is still pretty cool. Otherwise, everything about the film suggests much more than you suggest. The film raises a lot of interesting points about how our modern world actually destroys our soul. Ed Norton's character is basically sleepwalking through life not realising he is living by his instincts in an alternative life. It's much more than "people need more out of life". It suggests that we, as human beings, by trying to be safe, ordered and predictable, have, in fact, suffocated what it is to truly live. The twise is just the icing on the cake because all these themes exist before any of that happens anyway. And it isn't just "style". The screenplay and story is totally original IMHO. I love the scenes where Ed Norton hangs out in support groups just so he can release some of the emotion that has been damned up inside of him all his life. I love how a simple fight club turns into a way of life then complete anarchy by the finale. Fuck the style. Even without all the flashy camera work and CGI, this would still be a really interesting and engaging film. Unfortunately, you can join the small minority of people who love to nay-say against a truly good film just to pretend that you can see through the the supposed "facade". Let me guess, the Godfather Part 3 was the true gem in the series as well?

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Re: Flim

    by chaplinatemyshoe

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Re: Dudewithmissingshoe

    by Flim_

    The IMDb is hardly definitive. The film is entitled 'Seven'. They are incorrect in listing it as such, and list many incorrect titles along with that one.

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 8:32 p.m. CST


    by TerryMalloy

    Is a great movie. I know this because I just watched it. The people who bemoan that it is "low key" should rent Suspect Zero or some other over the top, cliched serial killer movie. Fincher managed to construct a fascinating, thrilling, subtle, and yes informative flick. Making a film based on a real life event that manages to not only be truthful but also entertaining is a difficult task for any filmmaker. Kudos to screenwriter James Vanderbilt, Fincher, and the cast for making me as obsessed with the Zodiac case as Graysmith was, at least for two and a half hours. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 8:39 p.m. CST

    ALIEN 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by Lashlarue

    Actually, this talkback is supposed to be about Zodiac. Bottom line: Alien 3 is a good movie, but it was dissappointing sequel because it killed off Hicks and Newt so fast. It basically shit all over Aliens because the audience spent so much time worrying over whether Newt and Hicks, especially Newt, would survive. They survive to die five minutes into Alien 3. Really fucking lame! Otherwise, Alien 3 is a good satisfying ending to a trilogy. Fuck Ressurection! I love you Joss Whedon, but why is your name on that script? Congrats to Fichner. Zodiac is a great film.

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 10:01 p.m. CST

    I have a different take SK229

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    I thought that because Fight Club didn't actually spell out some stupid "just be yourself" or other after school special message was a real testament to it. The ambiguity at the end was an excellent way to take its anti-dehumanization and anti-authority themes to a conclusion that was free from any kind of the false ideological constructions it satirized. A funny, thought-provoking, asskicking film from start to finish. As far as rich people being the "real men" of our day, I couldn't disagree more, but of course debating what a "real man" is is another can of worms.

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Also, the "meaningless twist"

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    I took as a nice way to symbolize how Norton learned to integrate the warring pieces of his personality and become his own man. There's a lot of meaning one can infer from it, even at the same time it was just another cool way to mindfuck with the audience.

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Thanks Travis-Dane and Autistic License

    by kirttrik

    With your noted advice I'm sure to make 2008 two thousand GREAT!

  • Jan. 1, 2008, 10:57 p.m. CST

    Excellent critique SK229

    by The Mothman

    I've tossed and turned on my opinions of FC since it was released, but in the end I've settled somewhere close to you - it's an entertaining movie that incorporates that most dangerous kind of fiction, the kind that does actually bring up a few good points about modern living. However, bring it up is pretty well all it soon as the clubs turn organised it's no longer an American Beauty-ish window on modern life, it's a brilliantly done fairy tale. Why? Getting punched in the face hurts, and no-one, no matter how depressed, would make it a weekend jaunt. Except, of course, for the idiots who actually tried to make their own clubs, and the scumbags who go out weekends just to harass people who want to relax. And the schoolkids who want some good footage for Youtube. Actually, maybe that's another accidental point the film makes, showing how people can always be relied upon to intepret things the wrong way ie in the film "hey, it works for this guy, let's syndicate the idea!", in reality with people watching the movie "hey, that fucking looks like fun, let's do that after we finish our six-packs!"

  • Jan. 2, 2008, 12:20 a.m. CST

    zodiac was a boring mess


    it went on forever, only to have, no satisfying conclusion. it was soo fucking bad.

  • Jan. 2, 2008, 12:43 a.m. CST

    Ebert called Alien 3...

    by dragon of sorcerer

    ..."in some ways the most interesting film of the series." Go back and watch the Siskel and Ebert review... they point out many of the film's strengths, even if neither really liked it. Alien 3 certainly spends more time in my DVD player than the other two... it's flawed, but it's so out there that I'm drawn to it and still admire Fincher's chops. Alien: Resurrection isn't bad if you completely forget that it's a part of the series... it didn't belong in the series at all, and resurrecting Ripley was dumb, but it's enjoyable if you can imagine that it's a stand alone film. If Whedon had directed, maybe it would've been something. Zodiac is Fincher's best film, with Seven and Panic Room second and third. I can't get into Fight Club, which seems trite, dated, and in bad taste post-9/11... well made, but probably his worst film. Fincher's great overall, and I really look forward to his next.

  • Jan. 2, 2008, 12:55 a.m. CST


    by hamslime

    If you want to split hairs, I believe Fincher's original title was supposed to be VII. Regaurdless, it is spelled SE7EN in the opening credits. And yes, I (Heart) Huckabees actually has a heart in the title.

  • Jan. 2, 2008, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Re: hamslime

    by Flim_

    OK, here's the thing - the title of the film is 'Seven'. Using the font or style to dictate the title is inane, much like if you referred to ALIEN 3 as 'ALIEN^3', because you couldn't represent the superscript in most typefaces. Or, for example, if you insisted on referring to BEVERLY HILLS COP as 'Beverly Hills COP' because of the font. The title of the film is SEVEN.

  • Jan. 2, 2008, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Oh, and incidentally

    by Flim_

  • Jan. 2, 2008, 1:46 a.m. CST


    by hamslime

    Too touch on downloading movies. Might that also be a key to instill quality into big budget movies. I don't know how easy or difficult it is to do at this time, but I know that since Napster started music sales have declined. Bands like Metallica blamed downloading solely for their CDs not selling, but I think it served more as a "try it before you buy it" sort of deal. People would download their music, realized it sucked, and moved on to something else. On the other hand you got underground bands that use the same thing as a tool to promote their music. They don't make money on it anyway so what's it gonna hurt if they let people listen to it for free. In time (at least for me and a lot of people I know) more and more of these bands were seeked out and their actual CDs were purchassed because the music was good and we knew that if we supported them, they would make more albums that we could enjoy. Bands like Metallica are obviously still making money, but I think now they actually have to put some effort in their music if they want it to sell. NOW, this may be isolated and it is wrapped neatly in my (not so) tight little talkback but I think if this can happen to music it can happen to movies. You Tube isn't exactly an example of quality, but it does show how technology has reached the point where ANYBODY can make a movie. If you get the right bunch of people together who actually have a passion for what they are doing and they can find the time to film something when they aren't working at their day jobs it will be just a matter of time before we get more PRIMERs and BRICKs. Hollywood would have no choice but to man up and put some passion in their movies if they want to keep up.

  • Jan. 2, 2008, 2:06 a.m. CST


    by hamslime

    Touche. To my defense, it is widely known as being spelled as SE7EN and to call someone a lackwit for spelling it as such is being a bit obtuse. As for the poster, those are generally handled by promotions departments and not necessarily the film makers.

  • Jan. 2, 2008, 2:13 a.m. CST

    Oh, and incidentally

    by hamslime

  • Jan. 2, 2008, 2:33 a.m. CST


    by Flim_

    It is indeed widely misspelled as such, and I apologise for calling everyone a lackwit. I'm sure a couple of you are OK. And yeah, that DVD cover is a stylised spelling, not the actual title of the film. The original VHS and DVD releases spelled it correctly.

  • Jan. 2, 2008, 2:51 a.m. CST


    by hamslime

    I'm just going to agree to disagree here. Let's say we have ourselves a little hug. We can then get together and watch THR3E and direct our unplesantries toward something a bit more deserving.

  • Jan. 2, 2008, 4:34 a.m. CST

    I dislike every David Fincher movie until I saw Zodiac...

    by BadWaldosRevenge

    I thought Fight Club was David's worst movie so far, for its sheer self-indulgence and smarmy fourth-wall commentary. Seven was an average serial killer movie -- the difference is the twisted ending and its realistic gore/yucky effects that made the audience ill. David Fincher said, "I like to make movies that scar". Panic Room's an average thriller with a typical lousy ending. The Game's almost good for its intense atmosphere and weird story, but it should be seen only once. The first time I saw Alien 3 theatrical cut when I was 13, that made an impact on me -- seen it a number of times, even owned it on laserdisc at one time. Production design, cinematography, unique direction and weird story & characters -- I thought it's almost good. Roger Ebert was right when he wrote "the best-looking bad movie I've seen". I thought David was a terrific visionary director despite the horrid flaws of the theatrical cut -- plot holes, ridiculous dog scene (the same size of a dog alien -- did it grow rapidly in microseconds?) & whatnot. I didn't have a problem with Ripley's justification for committing suicide at all, hence Alien Resurrection should not exist. Alien 3 still hold up fairly well after all the years, with the assembly cut that patch the plot holes and more realistic with an ox scene. I may not like David's movie choices, but he's a great director with vision that rise above the rest of the crap. Less flashy effects (minus Fight Club) typical of former music video directors who throw everything at the screen and emphasis on the substance of the story. I went to the movies to see Zodiac two weeks after release, and I was blown away. Went to see the movie again two days later. Too bad about it being a flop at the box office because of the audience's short attention span deceived by the trailer that somehow emphasize serial killer thrill rather than crime solving procedural. I thought David should at least receive the Oscar for Best Director. I hope Best Pic and Best Screenplay also. Zodiac is still number one of the best movies of 2007 IMO. Great work of art. I'll buy Zodiac dir's cut DVD when it comes out, at least Dave put Alien 3 fiasco behind him. I'd still like to see David and Roger Avary work on a project. Roger took an awesome picture of David playing Madden playstation game while talking on the phone on Avary's since defunct web site.

  • Jan. 2, 2008, 5:45 a.m. CST

    Wasted time

    by Movie G 3000

    I think too many people are giving David Fincher a free pass on Alien 3 because of the films he has made since but I just can’t do it. I remember reading a article about the making of Alien 3 and it pretty much said Fincher was trying to be too much a perfectionist when it came to the lighting and camera work. It said nothing of him fighting for a new script. I know he wanted a cinematographer that he felt like he could trust but I think he put too much emphasis on it. As much as us geeks like to bad mouth Michael Bay he made a film about 4 years later(THE ROCK) that cost about the same thing and looked just as good and most importantly he made it entertaining. Alien 3 is not a good film because its just boring as hell. Also Stanley Kubrick made a film that he was a director for hire on called Spartacus and even though it wasn’t a true Kubrick flick it was a great one. Just food for thought

  • Jan. 2, 2008, 5:55 a.m. CST

    Best Movie of 2007

    by RobFromBackEast

    Hands down. Fincher is one of the most innovative and exciting directors working today. I'm soooo buying this...

  • Jan. 2, 2008, 8:22 a.m. CST

    Ha Quint

    by timmer33

    The first thing you say is basically "I just saw your new director's cut of Zodiac and didn't notice a difference." What a way to help sell the DVD for Fincher! He was obviously offended ... probably put in a lot of thought to the scenes that were added.

  • Jan. 2, 2008, 9:06 a.m. CST


    by seniorspeilbergio

    yes, I entirely agree with that assessment. I think the only reason internet movies haven't picked up yet is because of broadcast quality. That's the main reason why independent filmmakers still rely on dvd instead of the net but when that changes it's going to turn hollywood upside down just like the music industry as you pointed out. They have no financial model for it yet but I know the techs are already planning something called "The Entertainment Hub" (I imagine it something like that giant video screen the McFly's had in there future home in BTTF part 2) which will combine your cable, internet and satellite radio in one. The idea is to one day have a million different channels and instead of waiting to watch a show, you choose what you want and discard the rest. Hollywood is already scrambling to figure out how they're going to deal with this.Oh, and there was a great article in Rolling Stone a few months ago were a record executive claimed the downloading issue left the music industry "in shambles". I think it's a very exciting time in entertainment because we are on the cusp of some radical fucking change. it will be very interesting to see how it all plays out. These suits had there fun but now they're starting to shit there pants. I think this is were quality product comes in because yeah, you can burn a DVD but if you really love a movie you WANT the official release. How many of you would have been satisfied with a burned copy of the Lord of the Rings Extended Editions? Not me. I want that box and all the cool stuff it came with. Ah, the times they are a changin. Thanks for bringing up the whole downloadable thing Hamslime. Made me remember a lot of points I hadn't thought of yesterday. May the force be with you, man.

  • Jan. 2, 2008, 9:39 a.m. CST

    next i'll be hearing that Indiana Jones is just 80s cheese too

    by BMacSmith

    Aliens >>>>>>> A3 . Christ, Fincher even hates 3.

  • Jan. 2, 2008, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Perfect time to ask Fincher if he'd direct a BATMAN flick.

    by JDanielP

    It was the perfect time to pick at Fincher's brain...and to discover if he has any interest in "superhero fantasy", though I'm guessing his interests would retain the darker elements he is known for. Perhaps a focus on our favorite Dark Knight Detective?

  • Jan. 2, 2008, 12:16 p.m. CST

    This Thread Made Me Re-Watch Alien 3 (again)

    by Autodidact

    I watched the director's cut of Alien 3 again last night. It's a bit of a draining experience, as a good Alien movie should be. Things are so bleak and harrowing that it's tough to make it all the way through the movie. I think the tipping point in public perception back in 1992 must have been all the bald rapists and murderers it seemed we were supposed to sympathise with, or at least root for. I, for one, said good riddance each time one of those cocksuckers bought it. I have a real hard time with the Newt autopsy scene, usually skip it. The last twenty minutes are pretty crap and I actually turned it off right at the point where they start scheming to melt the alien with molten steel. <p> Anyhow, now I gotta watch the first two again, and it's been less than six months since the last time for both of them. I think it's obvious we won't get another "real" alien movie by an auteur director any time soon. My vote would be Alex Proyas or Zack Snyder. It'll probably happen ten years from now with someone nobodoy's heard of yet.

  • Jan. 2, 2008, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Autodidact, I'm also ready for an ALIEN reboot.

    by JDanielP

    Yeah, I think there are more fans of the ALIEN property than they realize. Many of us just won't get suckered into such huge disappointment, as we form an early opinion based on feedback, via internet or otherwise. I mean, I was actually interested in this new AvP flick, getting a sense of the enthusiasm of the co-directors. But based upon what else I've heard and read, I'm not about to jump on THAT bus. They should just wipe the slate clean at this point...and reboot the franchise. If they do, I'm interested once again. And I would remain so...until I can form an early opinion, based on what I see and hear. It just has to be worth the time, the effort, and the money. Otherwise, we will just ignore it. (And yeah, we may have to wait a while for that reboot.)

  • Jan. 2, 2008, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Fincher wanted to make Spidey...

    by lynxpro

    However, Fincher didn't want to do an origin story; he wanted the first film to start off with Spidey already in action.

  • Jan. 2, 2008, 3:27 p.m. CST

    What's with the Aliens looks dated BS?

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    That movie still amazes me for looking as good as it does. It stands against everything that is wrong with the industry right now, and I'm looking at you Alien 3 with your CGI Aliens and POV Alien Cam. There's more bang for buck in Aliens visually than any movie I can think of. I had what, a $25 million budget? As for Alien 3, it's the most disappointing movie I've ever seen. Nevermind the obvious stupidy of an electrical fire blowing up a military spaceship (no halon in the future?), they shave their heads because it's a planet covered with lice yet have a dog, anybody PAYING to bring supplies so they can allow inmates to keep a mission planet going, the guy working the crane didn't notice the dog, etc. The Aliens lack motivation is the biggest issue with the movie. It's freaking Jason in a rubber suit. Don’t give me this “Alien 3” is the smart one. It’s a piece of crap “kill people in interesting ways” script that completely ignores all elements that made the creature creepy to begin with. You know, how it’s not out to eat you, it’s trying to get inside of you. Instead it just runs around killing stupid monks/hosts for no apparent reason. It's not hungry, threatened, or every slightly annoyed as far as I can tell. Best of all, it doesn't kill Ripley because she has a Queen in her, but instead of cocooning her up safely in a vent someplace, it lets her run around where she can fall into a molten lead vat. Face it, Alien is a haunted house. Aliens is a roller coaster. Alien 3 is David Letterman Alien Cam gimmick. Oooh, if only we could have explored Aliens adapting to their environment with webbing to swim with.

  • Jan. 2, 2008, 3:57 p.m. CST

    No Alien Reboot -> but Re-imagining

    by Unimaginative_Moneyhungry_Hollywood

    Alien & Aliens were excellent because they had real characters in them. The AVP has lost touch with the audience because the characters have become flat. I see AVP more as a cheap circus side show in comparison. What Alien needs is a new story; A STAND ALONE STOREY. It doesn't have to have anything to do with Ripley, nor the army, nor the company; The alien seed could have spread elsewhere throughout the galaxy. There could be a story of another group of people out their in the universe... Here is an example: Another derelict space jockey craft is discovered by a small minerals exploration survey ship: A crew of about 10. They use a special rock driller machine (similar to the power loader in aliens except it has a large rock drill on one arm & an explosives charger on the other) in which they call "ALICE". A survey guy takes ALICE through space to take 'samples' from the Jockeys space craft shell. Something is triggered & a vent in the Jockeys ship opens. The ALICE enters... discovers 10 or so dead space jockeys... finds the chamber of eggs... picks one up & returns back to the survey ship... They isolate the egg & start to dissect it. The acid burns through the floor & the face hugger escapes. This is where the story changes. The survey ship ends up crashing into the hull of the space jockey derelict space craft!! The survey team gets resourceful & try & fix the ship. They contend with the alien; but also a bigger, meaner threat is discovered lurking within the Space Jockey corridors. A new Giger Design. A new Space Jockey secret. Large set pieces full of alien architecture. New & real characters. Damn, just employ me you un-imaginative money hungry fox bastards!!

  • Jan. 2, 2008, 4:17 p.m. CST

    David Letterman Alien Cam

    by skimn

    Domi, I don't harbor the same dislike of 3 as you, but that statement was on-the-mark, and funny as hell.

  • Jan. 2, 2008, 5:07 p.m. CST


    by Unimaginative_Moneyhungry_Hollywood

    haha Nice points. The petty failures of Alien3 is quite amusing. I'll jump on the bandwagon, but I will state how much potential Alien3 had... so much lost oppotunity. 1) The scene where Ripley runs through the corridor & then yells "IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE!!" & then the warden yells to shutup & to get her out... then the alien comes down from the vent & plucks him out of the room. A Dood yells "fuck!". It's a good scene, but has so much more potential. The Alien should have jumped back out of the vent & been more of a threat; jump on another prisoner, bite his head off; swings it's tail & stabs another guy in the chest. The prisoners scream. Total chaos as everyone trys to flee. Alot escape through the door & then try to slam it shut. A couple of prisoner scream as they get locked in the room with the beast... The alien turns slowly & faces the terrified prisoners. No escape. Certain doom!! Lost oppotunity!! 2) As Domi said, if the queen was in Ripleys stomach & the alien knows about it... the alien could have started preparing the nest. It would have been an interesting twist. 3) The Dillon vs Alien fight in the empty lead vat was too short. 4) The ending of Alien 3 could have been more depressing. Seriously! Ripley's gonna die anyway... the ulternative: The company do end up capturing Ripley. They take Ripley to their ship & trap her in a high security cell. The queen ends up popping out of her chest, she dies & the company dissappears into the depths of space with their captured Queen... Roll credits. 5) Have Newt survive. Ripley Dies. Sigourney Weaver is selfish. NEWT FTW!!!

  • Jan. 2, 2008, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Zodiac = Best film

    by Unimaginative_Moneyhungry_Hollywood

    Zodiac = Best film ever made about a serial killer. Hands down, nothing out there comes close. Dalmer, The green river, Summer of Sam, that Ted Bundy Movie... all of those movie adaptations do not even come close. Fincher must have done some hard yards putting together the Zodiac story; He & his team thoroughly investigated the history of the killer & made it as factual as possible. Grounded in reality, I found it engrossing. The characters were great! Obviously basing the characters on real people & their story arc following what actually happened in real life; the result may end up messy, but that is just the way reality is. It's Interesting, informative, & best of all: bloody thrilling.

  • Jan. 2, 2008, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Wasn't it "all a dream"?

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Wasn't there supposedly a dream sequence where Ripley wakes up to find the surgical marks on her chest because the company got their girl? I heard of rumor of it and totally thought it was heading that way right after the scene where Ripley sees the ultrasound (like she passed out at that point). There's that throwaway "I'm going into the basement" line and she smashes a pipe (thinking it's the Alien) and it's full of lice. 10% dreamy, 90% lame. It would explain another of the movie's stupid insults to the built up universe (realistic space travel time) of how Hendrickson's ship got to the planet in like under 24 hours. Oh yeah, I know everybody apologises for Newt's/Hicks deaths being necessary. But do you have to kill them in the rediculous manner of a crash landing? Ripley was floating around for what, 80 years? A military escape ship with no landing gear heads straight for the nearest planet to crash and kill 3/4 of the passengers? Ugh. Given, I like Fincher as a director and my friend (who hadn't seen any Alien movies) liked Alien 3 when it saw it with me. So there's probably weight to what somebody brought up that it's a better movie than sequel, but I seriously don't think I've ever felt as angry after seeing a movie as Alien 3. Hahahaha, we'll pour tons of molten dead on an Alien and he won't be crushed so we can have a cheesy "He's going to get up" jump scare for the bored audience. And it'll be clever, because Ripley will spray water on the Alien. That'll be cool. Man, I hated that movie. I'm surprised the British "love interest" didn't dress up as an Ewok at some point and make sweet love to Ripley with some synth pop music in the background.

  • Jan. 2, 2008, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 was the begining of the end...

    by Chutch

    never should have killed newt or hicks, never should have been just one creature, never should have lied in the trailer that it would be on earth. there were so many things wrong story-wise with that movie that it still saddens me.

  • Jan. 2, 2008, 7:39 p.m. CST

    what about Benjamin Button, you know, his NEXT MOVIE???

    by lavatory love machine

  • Jan. 2, 2008, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Alien3 Special Effects

    by Unimaginative_Moneyhungry_Hollywood

    The alien minatures just didn't work. Most shots where the minature is edited onto scene looks out of place. It is like the lighting is wrong or there is a weird glow of the alien that doesn't match it's settings. There are a couple of scenes in which the does actually alien looks terrific. The are few very quick scenes that work, the eye doesn't register that it is fake. There is one scene worthy of a mention; the scene where a prisoner finds the alien chomping on a corpse. The alien looks magnificent, the full design on screen is realised, it's movement is freaky; yet it still looks a bit out of place. Again: the tone & lighting on the alien just doesnt match the settings & it is hell obvious. In comparison to Aliens, Alien3 FX look amature. Brilliant Alien design, the best of the series (Big Horrah to Giger!!) but FX implementation needed more work. They may have run out of time & couldn't capture the alien minature properly. IMO It would have been better if they spend a bit of extra time testing the fx, experimenting with lighting & that sort of thing.

  • Jan. 2, 2008, 10:40 p.m. CST

    NO REBOOT ... Just Another Good Alien Movie Please

    by Autodidact

    I don't want a fucking reboot. I just want them to make an Alien movie that is like the Dark Horse comics... a stand-alone story that takes place in the same universe, but has little or nothing to do with Ripley. Aliens: Berzerker is sitting there ready to film!

  • Jan. 2, 2008, 10:43 p.m. CST

    Unimaginative_Moneyhungry_Hollyw ood

    by Autodidact

    "A New Giger Design" YOU FAIL. The worst thing about all the Alien movies is when they try to change the morphology we're familiar with: egg, chestburster, warrior, drone, queen. That's all the morphology I want to see in an Alien movie. It's horrifying enough without "shark aliens" or some bullshit. Did we learn nothing from the lameness of the Predalien, which I have hated since Dark Horse did it in the completely garbage "Aliens: Colonial Marines" (one of the worst Aliens comics, not recommended!) or the AVP games.

  • Jan. 2, 2008, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Sorry to Spam

    by Autodidact

    Just wanted to say, I was as disappointed as anyone when I saw Alien 3 on opening day in 1992. That was the very first time I was excited enough about a movie to know the opening date and arrange to be there for the showing. It was not that simple as I had just turned 16. The theatre was being very adamant about checking ID, minimum age 17, so I had to do some ticket swapping in the bathroom to get into the show. Domi nailed it for me with this comment: <p> <i> It’s a piece of crap “kill people in interesting ways” script that completely ignores all elements that made the creature creepy to begin with. You know, how it’s not out to eat you, it’s trying to get inside of you.</i> <p> That was a big part of my disappointment at the time. I still don't get a lot of satisfaction from the movie as a whole. It's a case of the whole being lesser than it's parts, perhaps.

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 12:47 a.m. CST


    by Unimaginative_Moneyhungry_Hollywood

    Giger designed the original Alien, the Space Jockey, the derelict space craft & the Egg Chamber; He also designed the Alien for Alien 3. The design was changed by a new FX team in Aliens who created the Queen & put ridges on the aliens head; so therefore they made it inconsistent. For Alien3 it was redesign back to the original alien (smooth head) but gave it more of an animal appearance; based on a cat I believe: this gave the impression that the alien took distinguishable features from its host. Now I’m not saying to totally redesign the alien (Shark alien?? Now that would be stupid!! haha) but Giger is a talented artist, and should be hired again for his weird out of this world designs. If not to redesign the original alien; but to do set design, creating an "alive" space jockey, creating his impression of alien landscapes etc. His designs are inspiring. We have seen the alien too much in the subsequence sequels & there is no more suspense of the unknown, we know exactly what it is & what is capable of. What I would like to see is a "re-imagining" of the Alien. It could be a different species all together, but somehow linked to the space jockey. A while ago there was talk of an "Alien Emperor"... a male alien that grows older, gets bigger & bigger & ends up becoming the Queens mate. Like in the Lion / Gorilla world, the biggest male gets to mate with the female: Hence the queen gets fertile, Hence the eggs layer. Something has got to mate with the queen to make it fertile... Giger did a drawing of a beast which could be similar to the 'Alien Emperor' (he named it the Anubis). Google "Giger ANUBIS" & check out the pictures, it’s interesting.

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 1:03 a.m. CST

    Okay yeah

    by Autodidact

    I'd be cool with that. I assumed you meant a design for a new creature. I know Giger didn't design the queen, but it fits in. After that I don't want any new designs.

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 1:15 a.m. CST

    Wake me up when it's on Blu-Ray

    by Veraxus

    Because HD-DVD is fucking dead. Not just dead, but rotting like grapes left far too long on the vine. It's funny when you walk into a store like Frys or Best Buy, and they have their HD section split 50/50 between HD-DVD and Blu-Ray, and everyone is crowded around the Blu-Ray half while not a single person so much as glances at the HD-DVDs (at least, not without swearing and demanding to know why The Thing isn't on Blu-Ray yet). The statistics also don't lie. BR outsells HDDVD 7:1 in Europe, 4:1 in the 'states. No, I'm done with DVD (at a formidable 500+ movies/tv-box-sets at that) and if there's no Blu-Ray release I'm just not buying.

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 1:53 a.m. CST

    So it was Fox's fault with Fincher, but Ratner's fault instead o

    by The Founder

    Give me a phucking break. You fan boys will anyone you deem cool a pass and make excuses. Sure Fincher is a good director, and more then likly it was mostly FOX's fault with A3, but it's hypocrital to blame Ratner for X3 when ratner faced the similar problems that Fincher did. I don't get it. At least x3 was better then A3.

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 3:45 a.m. CST


    by hamslime

    You have been quite the muse these past few days and it's been a pleasure conversing with you. What you said about the "Entertainment Hub" and downloading movies got me thinking of an idea that could possibly streamline indie movie making. Here's an idea! Anyone else reading feel free to steal this, as I don't have the resources or knowledge to put it into action. Have a website that combines You Tube and those torrent sites. You use the "You Tube" portion of it to show small clips or trailers and (to address the broadcast quality) next to the window would be a link to the torrent if you wish to download the whole movie. This would of course be geared towards indie film makers and there would be no trailers without permission to download the entire movie. This would prevent having hundreds of Dark Knight trailers and no movie (this is our playground, Hollywood can play elsewhere). As you know, anytime you do something meant to network with like minded people it eventually gets corrupted with worthless ads, porn, ect. (see Myspace and You Tube for that matter) This seems to be a simple idea and could be benificial to anyone who would want to have their work seen. Obviously they won't make any money off of it, but it would be a good jumping off point to get your movie out there and unlike film festivals it would be free and world wide. There's so much more you could add to this such as profiles and message boards to help cinematographers get together with writers ect. It could be a one stop shop for everything you need to make, watch, or show truly independent movies. Assuming of course this hasn't been done before. In which case point me to it. If not (and I do realize I'm being highly optimistic) there's more brainstorming that could be done to make this work and turn movie making into something fun and attainable. There's already You Tube of course, this could just bring it to the next level.

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 4:56 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    X3 better than Alien 3? WTF are you talking about? The opening title sequence of Alien 3 is better than the whole of X3! Jeez. There are some crazy folks out there in the world.

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 6:18 a.m. CST


    by travis-dane

    WOW 500+!Who gives a SHIT.I didnt know that there are BLU-RAY PLANTS!Why dont you go out on the street and tell random people you got 500+ DVD`s.Fucking swank!

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 7:32 a.m. CST

    The Blu-Ray to HD-DVD sales ratios are bullshit

    by photoboy

    They are counting PS3 games as part of the Blu-Ray statistics. Take out PS3 games and HD-DVD sells the same as Blu-Ray, i.e. fuck all. The entire HD market is tiny and consumers aren't interested. High def downloads will be the future (unfortunately, because of the DRM).<br><br> Sony are getting desperate with their mis-information.

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 8:08 a.m. CST

    why not enjoy something new for NEW YEAR?

    by kily2007

    Hey! so nice discussion , BUT NEW YEAR is coming, how to celetrate the wonderful days? you love to try something new? you will be surprised there...

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 8:44 a.m. CST

    Alien/Aliens/Alien 3

    by Samuel Fulmer

    I like them all, though Alien 3 is my least favorite. Fincher and PTA are the best directors that started out in the 90's and are still working today. I think their best work is still to come, unlike somebody like Tarantino.

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Alien3 was the first film I ever saw in theatres...

    by symphy which the audience burst into applause at the end. I had never experienced that. It's happened a couple times since then, for me, on, say, opening nights for a Star Wars or Harry Potter or LOTR, but at the time I was really shocked by it.

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 Applause?

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Was it because they were happy the ordeal was finally over? Tell me you were in England. I heard it played much better over there what whatever (insert your own joke) reason. I seriously don't get the apologists for Alien 3. It wasn't scary like Alien. It wasn't exciting like Aliens. Given it was painted into a corner because it couldn't hope to out thrill Aliens and the shock factor of Alien couldn't be recaptured (the reason Aliens smartly switched genres from horror to action), but "Monks on a prision planet with lice and a dumb dog" doesn't strike me as the killer new idea to continue the franchise. None of the characters were memorable (seriously, name one other than 23/26 or whatever his IQ was). I can't remember a single good line. It had a decent look to it, even if it basically was "let's make everything look drab and depressing like 1984... but dirty". I've already gone over how stupid and insulting to the fans of the first films the script was. I mean I have my share of lame movies that other people probably think I must be retarded for liking, but I can't think of one redeaming factor in Alien 3 other than the director eventually made some really good movies and some lousy ones (Panic Room? God that was terrible, like revisiting Alien 3 without giving a crap about it). And I'm sick of Alien 3 being the studio's fault. It wasn't their meddling, it was selecting that script and throwing a first time director on it who seemingly hadn't seen either of the previous two films or wasn't willing to throw his hands up and scream "this is so idiotic, somebody rewrite this before I do it myself!".

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 12:57 p.m. CST


    by dirtsandwich

    was awesome for it's originality. Fantastic species design and all it's stages of life. Fantastic set designs, with the alien ship, chair, pilot...etc. It's one rare movie that truly felt alien in nature. You felt like you were in deep space and abandoned. Great cast, F/X, score and suspense. 10/10

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 1:06 p.m. CST


    by dirtsandwich

    was a fantastic film. A perfect sequel because it knew not to compete with an original masterpiece. JC took it in a new direction. Absolutely memorable characters. Apone, Hicks, Hudson Vasquez, Newt, Gorman, Burke, Drake, Spunkmeyer, and Bishop. Excellent dialogue with some classic one liners. Funny, suspenceful, action up the ass, and some kickass hardware. It still blows away a lot of films today 22 years later. 10/10

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Alien 3

    by dirtsandwich

    was only made to make money. No one gave a flying fuck respect about the franchise/story. That they were molesting it to the point of abuse. Alien 3 is a retarded attempt to continue a series that should of been done after 1986. Only unless Ridley Scott and/or JC were going to continue it. I would love a movie to explore the back story of man prior to the Nostromo and both alien species. Alien 3 - what a fucking joke. "So, how do we make this film different then the first 2?" "I know, lets shave everyone's head." "But why?" "I don't know, give them lice or something." WTF! Didn't the Alien that popped out of the dog look a little to big, if I remember correctly? I fucking hated Alien 3. Yeah kill off the entire supporting cast. This movie sucked horse cock.

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Alien: Resurrection

    by dirtsandwich

    a better attempt at continuing the franchise but a total farce. The only think I liked about Alien 4 was how the aliens swam in the water scene and the credits, because that meant it was over. I like 4 better then 3. It had a better cast and scale. One of the many stupid scenes was Ryder shouting "Father!". They had way to much slim too. Not a good way to end the franchise....for now. 4/10

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 1:41 p.m. CST

    AVP series

    by dirtsandwich

    Fuck off to all that were involved. This idea makes no fucking sense and doesn't even belong on the screen. Leave it in a fantasy comic book so it can be used as ass wipe later. In other words there hasn't been nothing worth a shit regarding Alien/s since 1986. With 4 attempts since. This shows you just how fucking stupid Hollywood is. "Ok, lets green light this turd, and this turd, and maybe if it makes 50 mil we'll green light a sequel turd. And don't rule out a spin-off turn and a prequel turd.

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 1:54 p.m. CST


    by AnimalStructure

    You thought the FX were good in Alien? Are you serious? The creature LOOKED great, but wheneve rit had to movie it looked like a fucking Frankenstein monster. I refer specifically to the scene where the Alien offs Kotto and Cartwright. It looks, to be kind, utterly ridiculous.

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 2:51 p.m. CST


    by the_scream

    Spot on dude. And hilarious.

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 3:16 p.m. CST

    It was made in 1978

    by dirtsandwich

    what the fuck do you expect? The chestburster, the jaw in the skull, the ship, the eggs...Yeah, well done. Don't ask me why it moved slow and weird. It doesn't matter how good Alien 3, Resurrection, AVP 1&2 looks, Alien and Aliens does circles around the rest because it has an actually STORY and CAST!

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 3:34 p.m. CST

    One thing I hate about Alien...

    by Autodidact

    ... is the slow-mo shot of the xenomorph outside the ship at the end. For some reason the music and cinematography here always bothered me. I can see why Ridley had the sparks hitting the lense, as it would sell the versimilitude of the space setting by drawing on people's memories of NASA footage of booster separation, etc.. yet somehow it just reminds me of the Buck Rogers end credits.

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Fox has destroyed both the alien and Predator species.

    by The Founder

    The aliens should always be scary when they are featured in in a fuilm much like the ist two, but think to those dickheads and putting on poor creative talent the AvP series was DOA. What should have been one of the greatest match ups in film history as well as total awesomness was totally gutted by them fools that run FOX. AvP 2 was a joke.

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 4:37 p.m. CST


    by Ray Gamma

    "Alien Vs Predator" is to "Alien"</P> <P> as </P> <P> "Star Wars Holiday Special" is to "Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope". </P> <P> </P> <P>In other words, a franchise-destroying embarassment.

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 5:19 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Resurrection had better actors than Alien 3? Eh?

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 5:54 p.m. CST

    I thought Resurrection

    by dirtsandwich

    had more interesting characters then Alien 3. I hated everyone in Alien 3. I don't know who's a better actor or not but maybe it's because everyone looked the same because of their bald heads. Alien 5 should be done by Ridley Scott and JC and should start off right where Aliens left off. Newt "Can we dream." From there both Alien 3 and Resurrection were dreams. THEY DIDN'T HAPPEN.

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 6:01 p.m. CST


    by dirtsandwich

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Xenomorph may refer to: * Xenomorph (Alien), a fictional species from the Alien universe. The Alien was never classified as "Xenomorph", the reference simply meant "other form" than human.

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 6:21 p.m. CST


    by otm shank

    more like nightmares.

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 6:22 p.m. CST

    I guess so

    by dirtsandwich

    Perhaps it means a certain type of species. I never considered the name to mean the Alien themselves. I mean Ripley had to explain what it was and the marines were not familiar with it.

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Nightmares are right

    by dirtsandwich

    nightmares at the cinema.

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 6:30 p.m. CST

    I hate the world "franchise"

    by caruso_stalker217

    So could you cocks stop using it? Jesus, we're talking about movies here.

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 6:32 p.m. CST

    "Word" rather...

    by caruso_stalker217

    Well, I've lost all credibility here.

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Those greasy little burgers are addictive

    by caruso_stalker217

    But I prefer Burger King when it comes to shitty fast food.

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Whopper = Winner

    by Unimaginative_Moneyhungry_Hollywood

    Those subsequent sequels to the whopper, like the double bacon, double pattie whopper, the chicken pattie whopper... they degrade the Hungry Jacks / Burger King franchise. I had a burger the other day & it had none of those seedy things on the bun; it's like they reduced the budget, rushed production, & the quality of the over burger suffers. DAMN YOU FOX EXECUTIVES!!! YOU HAVE GOT NO IDEA, YOU ARE MONEY HUNGRY & I AM NOW HUNGRY HUNGRY AND I NEED TO EAT A BURGER!!! MUST... RESIST... URGE TO WATCH... AVP... EAT... ORIGINAL... WHOPPER... GET... GUT ACHE...

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Solid Interview

    by MMacKK

    That really solidified my thoughts on Fincher being the man.

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 8:42 p.m. CST


    by Autodidact

    Xenomorph literally means "alien form." So I'm sure in the future, any alien species could be referred to as a xenomorph. They refer to it in the Alien series as THE zenomorph because it is usually the singular topic at hand during those dialog scenes.

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Great Idea: The Alien3 Fincher Edition

    by Unimaginative_Moneyhungry_Hollywood

    ...complete with a few new scenes to help with continuity, some scenes totally redone, new improved special FX, the webbed facehugger; Get those great ideas that were suppressed by the Fox executive onto film. Sigourney Weaver, Charlse Dutton & Charlse Dance still all look good... so get them in the studio again for a few week to do the re-shoots. Hopefully half of the movie can be reworked. Do it Fincher!! People are still debating A3 all this time later... This definitive Fincher Version needs to be done! It's your first movie, grab it by the balls & run with it! Get Weta involved! Redeem Alien 3! REEDEEEEMA!!!

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 Finch Ed.

    by otm shank

    I can't see him ever going back to that film or any new Alien film for that matter. He came away from that first experience more than a little butt-hurt.

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Word, dirtsandwich, on Alien, AvP

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    Alien's strengths vastly outweigh a few FX issues, a lot of the important elements of which were really quite good. The eggs and the facehugger, etc. we're creepy in how real they came across. Granted, they were relatively simple, but damn effective. The fact that some of it wasn't all that never bothered me in the least. You can always find something you don't like in anything, but Alien is incredibly strong and well-aged despite everything.

  • Jan. 3, 2008, 10:13 p.m. CST

    My inner dark side as a fondness of A3

    by 'Cholera's Ghost


  • Jan. 3, 2008, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Dated effects in ALIEN

    by caruso_stalker217

    They all look pretty good to me. Especially the egg and the facehugger. That's some good shit. The only part that seems really phoney to me is when the alien gets blown out the airlock at the end. It looks like it's just a dude wearing leather pants. Other than that, though, it's all good.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Alien EFX

    by AnimalStructure

    The suit looked great in Alien, but the guy wearing it was a moron as were the people telling him what to do in it. The Alien was slow and plodding whenever you saw it move. That's not scary, it's whack! Doesn't matter what year it is if you've got fools working the suits. But all the designs were great. <p> Alien 3, the special effects were pretty bad. But I think it had the best looking alien design and the best "guy in suit" shots of all the franchises. Anytime they went away from the puppet and to an actual guy in a suit, it looked fantastic, seriously. The only time they looked better was in Alien Resurrection during the scene with the 3 aliens in the cage.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 3:07 p.m. CST


    by seniorspeilbergio

    Great idea and thanks for the complement. Likewise. I think the future of the internet will be to replace these "independent film festivals" that have already been overrun by hollywood. There's a void to be filled and sooner or later technology will fill it. I think how it will work is, you'll download your movie on the net and the ones with the most "votes" or whatever gets a 35mm print struck and shown in theaters. I think the future for independent film will be to debut on the net with the theater as the "end" destination rather than the other way around.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 5:31 p.m. CST

    The alien in the first one moved quickly

    by ewokstew

    when it had to. Think about it. In the airshaft with Dallas it lunged quickly at him, too fast for Dallas to even flinch. When Parker tried to run up on it it swatted him away with it's tail. The only times when it was slow was when it snuck up on Brett, and he was frozen with fear and it didn't need to move fast, and when it came up on Ripley in the shuttle. It's not mentioned in the film but the Alien was at the end of its life cycle by then, according to Scott, which is why it was sleeping in the shuttle and appeared lethragic. No, it wasn't the hyperkinetic, crawling upside down on the walls like Aliens, Alien3, but it was effective and well within the tone of the movie. 20 years from now people will be saying the Aliens in Aliens moved too slow. This will not end, trust me.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 5:33 p.m. CST

    And while I'm at it

    by ewokstew

    This crazy talk back has been going on strong for 5 days in a row.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 7:53 p.m. CST


    by AnimalStructure

    VERY interesting about the Alien being at the end of it's lifecycle in the first film. The original mythos was so much more interesting than Cameron's Queen alien. Cameron wrecked the mythos. He made a great film, but a terrible sequel. <br><br>As far as how fast the Alien moves, All it does is put it's arms up and grab Dallas, the body does not move. With Parker, it looks ridiculous! The Alien is so stiff and weird. Same with Cartwright's death. It moved dope in the escape pod. A few of the shots are just so bad it really wrecks it for me everytime, because I laugh out loud.

  • Jan. 4, 2008, 8:20 p.m. CST

    Veronica Cartwright was hot

    by caruso_stalker217

    That's, uh, that's all I've got right now.

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 is dead

    by m_prevette

    Forget the idea of an Alien 3 Fincher edition - he wants nothing to do with the movie. He refused to particiapte in the Fox Quad box, it's NOT something he wants to revisit. Can you blame him?

  • Jan. 5, 2008, 8:35 p.m. CST

    .........nope the alien series is dead!!

    by pn2501

    Alien 3’s major let down was the script, I mean rewritten between shooting and Vincent Wards early script a wooden monastery planet wtf?, and the David Twohy treatment which the prison element was taken from (looks like he got his movie made the way he wanted with pitch black) the final script is really just a mish mash of different ideas, the old saying too many cooks spoil the broth. The movie was pretty much screwed before fincher touched it. When I first watched it in 93, I was disappointed mainly because I’d read all the darkhorse comics and expected something their scale, but after watching the recent avp movies I can really appreciate alien 3. The last two films in the alien Quadrilogy have a heap of style, they just suffer from stupid ideas, resurrection with Joss Whedon turning Ripley into Buffy, and adding the hybrid. There were rumours running around that James Cameron and Ridley Scott were displaying an interest in returning to the series with Scott directing and Cameron involved in the script, focusing on the space jockey race (seems like a good idea) , I say get them both involved in the script writing process and bring in a new director some one above said Danny Boyle I think he would be an awesome choice but something tells me he would probably pass it up.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 12:55 a.m. CST


    by hamslime

    If you find yourself in the Omaha area (Nebraska, U.S.A.) my friends have a double feature horror movie night. Sometimes if we get the urge we'll play some shorts or videos we made that week. Here is a couple of mine. If you got any I would love to see them.

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 7:51 p.m. CST

    RE: RE: RE: Finchers A3 version

    by Unimaginative_Moneyhungry_Hollywood

    Fincher can't deny his roots. A3 is his first movie; its part of his legacy now... just like Scott & Cameron, they lost their directorial virginity with those movies. It will haunt him all the way through his career. He has to stand up to the plate & grab it by the balls. He now has the experience & the kickarse team to do it. If he is doing Rendezvous with Rama then he could possibly do A3 as a side project using the Rama FX Team. Weta would probably do the FX... a few new scenes, a few redone FX, get Weaver to join the supporting cast of Rama & then get her to redo a few of A3 scenes, get some random guys & shave their heads to act as prisoners... BAM: the Fincher Extended Ultimate Load-Blowing Final Cut!! The Possibilities are endless... You know you'd buy the DVD. A3 is what it is, A3 needs to be revisited before Alien 4 gets made (yeah that's right, A4 is not resurrection, resurrection will become a stand alone film.)

  • Jan. 6, 2008, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Buy the Torso Graphic Novel.

    by Buckys_Kick_Ass_Arm

    This book is so Fincher. Not sure how happy I am to hear that the screenplay is different from the book but it looks like it will spend more time on Ness than the GN did. Matt Damon would kick ass. The ending of this book was the freakiest and most tense thing I've ever read in comic-dom

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 3:14 a.m. CST

    Animalstructure, yeah, it's not blindingly fast

    by ewokstew

    But it stands out as such because every alien that came after it moves so darn quickly. It still doesn't bother me probably because the film was so effective in practically every respect when I saw it. It's kind of like the slow ass light saber dual in the first Star Wars and what we saw later in the prequels.

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 9:33 a.m. CST

    Fincher hates Aliens CONFIRMED

    by lonecow

    i always suspected that he hated Aliens because he took all the progress from Aliens and destroyed it all in mere minutes. And here he says he only liked Alien.

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Watched Aliens again last night...

    by Autodidact

    ... and now I hate Alien 3 again. It really does take Cameron's movie and give it an ass reaming in the first five minutes. It almost ruined the end of Aliens because it's like Ripley is laying Newt down in her grave. Aliens is one of the greatest films of all time, no need to qualify it by limiting it to sci-fi or monster movie genre greatness.

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Tamar the Lovely Redhead

    by Rupee88

    Not sure if Quint is trying to get into her panties or just trying to get more interviews...probably the latter. lovely redheads sure are lovely though...I can relate.

  • Jan. 7, 2008, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Aliends does kinda suck compared to the first one

    by Rupee88

    Ok, "suck" is strong but it is a vastly inferior film, especially if you watch it these days...too many plot holes and poor character motiviation.

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 12:40 a.m. CST

    My problem with ALIENS these days...

    by caruso_stalker217 the macho bullshit with the marines. Sure, this turns out to be mostly a pose after they get their asses handed to them, but it still makes me cringe. Almost. Overall, though, it's a solid film.

  • Jan. 8, 2008, 12:42 a.m. CST


    by caruso_stalker217

    I really don't need to see Harry as Pennywise the Clown. I'm gonna have that shit stuck in my head now. Thanks for ruining a cherished shitty TV movie from my childhood, AICN.

  • Jan. 9, 2008, 2:25 a.m. CST

    Cool, I'm not the only one...

    by Jaka

    ..who liked Aliens 3. I don't LOVE it, but I do like it. However, am I the only one that thought, "wait, did he just name check ST:TMP? wait.... wait... what if Paramount just went with big name directors for sequels to the Abrams reboot? Holy shit!.... wait.... what if Fincher directed a Trek film?!" Yeah, I probably am. But whatever, that would rule. Didn't know he was directing Torso, either. I'll be in the theater for that one.

  • Jan. 9, 2008, 2:28 a.m. CST

    Alien 3, that is

    by Jaka

    No S. Heh.

  • Jan. 9, 2008, 7:26 p.m. CST

    I would support a Fincher-helmed TREK

    by caruso_stalker217

    And I love THE MOTION PICTURE. It's probably my favorite.

  • Jan. 11, 2008, 6:42 p.m. CST


    by BranMakMorn

    He'd understand the character and Robert E. Howard's vision better than any director today who would only focus on the surface elements (bodybuilder actor, flashy 300 sword fights, b movie qualities). Fincher would make sure Robert E. Howard returned rather than an old action star who would only be in it to cash in on past glory.

  • Jan. 12, 2008, 2:50 a.m. CST

    Fincher's Conan and Trek

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    I really don't think you want either of those two movies made by a guy who seemingly relishes making movies 1/2 the public doesn't "get". That's an amazing choice with an original movie, but pissing all over beloved previous films to make some stupid point that it's "my movie" is another story entirely. From Alien 3, I feel like research and being faithful to the history isn't his strong point. Stay away from sequels, please.

  • Jan. 12, 2008, 1:18 p.m. CST


    by BranMakMorn

    You should research the history behind ALIEN 3. And many Robert E. Howard fans don't feel any of those Conan films were "beloved". They're still waiting a for a real CONAN film. Someone like Fincher already touched on similar REH themes in his previous films and he understands how to present violence in a effective cinematic manner, not sword and sandal choreography. If CONAN had someone like Fincher working on it, the public will support it because it would finally present REH's vision of civilized man. Just like the public supported Se7en by having it make 65 mil when it was done on a fraction of the budget.