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Report on the deconstruction of "Deep Space Nine" !!!
Glen here...
...with a new message sent in by a source who will...hopefully...become a regular contributor to
Coaxial.
Regular readers may recall my having a hell of a time finding a "source" on Star Trek.
Any incarnation of Star Trek. There has been brief flirtation with people from time to time,
but no one's really been willing to "go the distance". Maybe that's what true loyalty really looks like.
Maybe that's simply a fear of swift and horrible retribution from The Powers That Be. Maybe it's a
combination of both.
But now comes ATAVACHRON. Atavachron comes at "sourcing" from a different
perspective, a perspective which I...personally...find rather interesting. He's not interested in what is
actually happening on the series themselves, but what's happening with the making of various
Trek productions. Sometimes, that's the most telling kind of information there is...
For starters, Atavachron offered a rather extensive report about what is currently happening
over at Paramount now that Deep Space Nine is winding down. It's all rather
self-explanatory, but I've added a few contextualizing notes just to speed things along.
Sounds like sad days beneath The Mountain. Many have described the last few weeks at
Paramount as feeling very "down", "empty", and "somber".
Here's Atavachron's first report...
ATAVACHRON wrote:
Last Tues was the official "lunch" given by
Paramount for DEEP SPACE NINE cast and
crew. DS-9 baseball caps were given out. Principal
filming at wrapped on Thurs with some retakes done on Friday.
((Glen Note: they're having some troubles with the last episode of VOYAGER this season.
Many re-shoots. Atavachron says it's being called "the episode that wouldn't die" around
the Paramount lot.))
Stage 18 is almost clear except for the "hell" planet
set. Stage 4 and 17 are being taken
apart, however contrary to what was said elsewhere last week,
many parts of the Ops and Promenade
are going to be saved.
I have to tell you it's
really a sad day. However SOME of the
sets -if not a large part of them - are going to be
saved and are already starting to be
packed up.
Rumor Mill:
More discussion on another series - some people
don't feel that Berman will be able to
hold out two years with only VOYAGER on the air...
((Glen Note: I have heard some separate indication that Berman may not be able
to take-on another series right now due to several issues, not the least of which is...simply...being
tired as hell. This might result in the franchise being handed over to someone else, with Berman
assuming a less hands-on, more "detached, supervisory" capacity. NOT FOR CERTAIN, so don't
take this to the bank...))
Fact Sheet:
Defiant, Hell planet, and overflow. At the end it was
the Defiant without the engine
room, Parts of the Klingon Bird of Prey, a Cardassian
room of some kind, a Klingon
storage bay I think, and of course the hell planet
sets.
If people looked at the
Definat's engine room when it was being used, they should
have seen a similarity to the
engine room of the very famous Enterprise from 30
years ago... that was done on purpose.
The Prominade.. one of the finest working sets
around. Quark's bar was actually going to
be a three story set, but it was held at two stories
and the "third" story was used for
lighting and cameras.
As of this date, all
Okudagrams and loose objects have been
cleared from the Promenade and it's a hollow shell
of what it was when it was a working
set. Odo's as well as the Doctor's offices are
already gone.
Ops, misc corridors, personal quarters, air locks,
parts of the Klingon Bird of prey
including bridge sets, etc.
Ops is in very bad shape and looks like something
that a riot has gone past, the air
locks and corridors are still in fine shape and are
being taken apart. Ops looks like
it's suffered one to many souvenir hunters.
((Glen sniffles....souvenirs!?!?!?!?))
Retakes Friday were supposedly on Stage 7,
and ALLY McBEAL was working on the NY sets as
well as Stage 6.
The NY sets are very familiar to
most people without realizing it,
amongst many of the movies that have been filmed
there is the outdoor cafe that Clint
Eastwood used in ABSOLUTE POWER.
All in all things are rather quiet on the lot, in
contrast to the days when FIRST CONTACT was
filmed. The lot at the time was almost 2/3rds filled
with ST related work.
Glen again...
..to save many of you some e-mail, YES I asked Atavachron about recent indications suggesting
the ending of Deep Space Nine was being significantly re-configured due to Avery Brook's
concern that his character's fate might offend many African American / religious viewers.
Atavachron refused to "go there". As such, I don't have answers to such questions, but I'm still
trying...
So there you have it. Hope this was interesting, and I'd like to offer a special THANK YOU to
Atavachron for all its hard work. Looking forward to more reports...
Glen
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All I'd like to say is that with this past episode, DS9 is starting to seriously kick ass in the truest Star Trek fashion and personally, I will miss the show very much. A DS9 movie wouldn't be that bad considering the current status of TNG movies in that TNG movies are simply average and a DS9 movie has the potential to kick ass.
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I'd also like to say that Berman should leave so that we can get some fresh minds working on the ST universe with a new approach to tired tired cliches. Voyager shows just how worn out the series has become and that a change must first occur at the top for any improvement.
As a side note, I'd rather see the Dominion War drag on for a couple more years than ever see Voyager find its way home. Mwa ha hahahahhahahahhahahah. -
He needs a very long rest in a padded room somewhere. That way he won't see any other Sci Fi TV for awhile. That may be the only way we will be able to get some originality out of Trek. Plus Voyager will finally come home in his absence. Oh wait! We might get a decent TNG movie for a change. Aw Man! The good points far outway the cons. Lock him up now with Glen A. Lawrson. We could get a group rate.
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Mr. Berman - goodbye and good riddance. Hopefully, we can get some fresh blood into Trek and see a return to some intelligent writing. As to the past few episodes of DS9, they haven't been too bad, but still nowhere near as good as TNG when it hit its stride in seasons 3-6. Does anyone else think that the Breen look suspiciously like Boussch (Bounty Hunter who was really Leia from ROTJ)?????
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I feel my eyes misting up seeing the finality of the struck sets. Guess it really is true. DS9 and X-Files are the two series I love (there are many I like, but this is passion beyond rationality) and in another year they'll both be gone. Ah, I'm getting depressed just typing about it.
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Just for the record, I am a huge Trek fan, especially of the OS and TNG. But I have to admit that it might be a good time to put Trek on the back burner for a while. With Star Wars coming out, and the crappy Voyager series still around (obviously only by the grace of God), Trek is only going to decline from here if they keep pushing it on the Sci-fi community. They should shelve it for a few years, let all the fans barrage Paramount for Trek, and then try and come out with something completely original. Hopefully they get some new blood in there and try to pick up the following where TNG left off.
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I was about 5 when ST: TNG first came on the air. My father is a first-generation Trekkie who has all the 'classic Trek' eps on tape - and he swears he played them for me while I was still in the womb. I remember how Dad practically wore a black armband when the Bird died - and our excitement when DS9 came on. Our grief when TNG was cancelled.
It's hard for me to imagine a universe WITHOUT some form of Star Trek on the air. :-( -
ok a couple of things...shit I can't belive DS9's leaving us...I ca't belive it's actually here*laugh*I think I'm more worried abut how DS9's going to end then I am about what I'm going to do now that I'm about to leave college...Bye-Bye Berman...do what Roddenberry did when things got to be too much and ya'll started hatching lame-ass plots...take some time off...hand off Trek to Ira Steven Behr, in my opinon. finally I wish I could get ahold of one of those set pieces...that would be nice
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Not to cast aspersions on Atavachron's connectivity, but I visited the sets of Voyager & DS9 during the filming of "Meld" and "Paradise Lost". At that time, the shows' standing sets were in Stages 8 and 9. (I also visited the Planet Hell stage, but I didn't catch the number.) Atavachron's report references Stages 4, 17, and 18. What gives? Has Paramount renumbered their stages or moved the sets? If so, then why?
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Its about damn time! With the passing of DS9, the Star Trek franchise is one big predictable piece of crap. The TNG movie franchise is still viable if the right person is involved..Are you listening Nic Meyer? Let's get Meyer and Leonard Nimoy involved in the next TNG film and wrap up that Spock on Romulus plot. Face it, Star Trek is a sagging franchise and the best way to gain interest and gain press(and to put fannies in theaters) is to ride the coattails of the original. I'll miss DS9..it truly developed into a great show, much better than TNG was at the end. Good riddance Rick Berman!
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I have watched DS9 since day one,hated the first season but the characters were developed better than any of the others (as a whole)over the years. (I never saw the genetic enginering plot twist comming)and i almost dropped a load when i saw the space battle klingons vs DS9( since better on "sacrifice of angels")The dogfights kick the hell out of anything they have done on the features and without shit voyager CGI. Rather than re-use tired SF plots they made the characters the plots and still have better looking aliens than the "UPN Flagship show" with the old forhead of the week aliens.Remember when Berman said how the aliens are gonna look "real alien" yeah right!! Deep space nine was A show maybe to smart for the networks who don't even bother running ads for it.I can only hope they do reruns.I can't see the fucken logic in leaving voyager as the star trek legacy.A final word to sisko " The prophets don't want SHAFT"
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I've read the other report. So Sisko dies and gets to walk with the prophets. How's that supposed to offend religious African-American viewers? Somebody care to shed some light on this?
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Anybody know the origin of this name? I know I've heard it before, and it's driving me crazy. I'm guessing it was either a comic book character or an action figure--maybe around the early 80's? Any ideas/answers?
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I'm sorry to see Avery Brooks may or may not be holding back some of the script ideas. Too mixed success, he has tried to bring in some point having a black man as captain on a show where race is unimportant. I mean the show has been a little successful in Trek terms in finally having some homosexual activity- Odo and the other masculinely gendered Changeling- with no one really caring about it in terms of same sex, but in terms of relationship. ( and don't tell me it wasn't a gay/bi thing.. Odo has always portrayed himself as male, his relationship with Kira is a guy/girl thing, and all of Odo's past relationships have been heterosexual, just as the other Changeling's were.) And except for the ending, the episode were Cisco started living the life of his 20th century counterpart trying to live Star Trek ideals, and getting destroyed by the attempt, was more interesting then most of the series as a whole.
My only guess is he doesn't want to seem to take the sacrifices of Martin Luther King, Jr. lightly, by becoming essentially a King figure, dieing before his people can take their first steps into the promised land. After thinking about it, regardless of whether I agree with the reported self-censorship, I can at least understand the motivations. -
With the past few spidoes of DS9 (Prenumbra, Till Death do us Part,Strange Bedfellows, Changing Face of Evil) I am reminded exactly why this is the best Star Trek series ever. This show is exciting, suspencful, and dramatic. The characters are more real then any who came before, and this is the only STar Trek show with the balls to take risks. I loved Classic and Next Gen but they were NEVER this good. I'm going to miss DS9 but I'm sure that we'll see these guys again on the big screen in a few years. As for Rick Berman leaving, well it's indeed a sad day. Berman was Roddenberry's hand picked successor. He has taken the franchise far. he was responsible for Next Gen, DS9, and the last few movies. I think his only fault is that he didnt step in soon enough when Voyager got WAY off track. That show still needs help big time. I do think it will get REAL good next year when Ron Moore and Ira Steven Bher join the writing staff, however. Still if Berman MUST leave then there are four people who should be Paramounts top choises to replace him. Harve Bennet, Nick Myer, Leonard Nimoy, or Ira Steven Behr. Bennet/Myer/ and Nimoy produced/directed and wrote the best of the Star Trek films. If anyone could guide Star Trek effectivly one of the four of them could. And Behr? Well just watch any episode of DS9 he wrote and his obvious talent shines through!
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In the Original Star Trek, there was an episode where the inhabitants of a doomed planet all escaped into their own past. The time machine was called the Atavachron. (I think the episode was called "All Our Yesterdays.)
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Have watched DS9 since the beginning. It has steadily gotten better. This year it has kicked-ass (almost as good as B5). It does not matter what my project deadlines are -- at 9 pm on Wednesday, I get to a set. This is the way to end a show. It will be missed.
Only wish Voyager was canceled years ago. Ending with a DS9 high is a way to get fans wanting more. Voyager is a constant reminder that themes grow stale. How about bringing David Brin's Uplift series to TV? -
Paramount should give JMS full reign and financial backing to do Crusade HIS WAY.
I will miss DS9, but I'm serious about killing off Voyager... Perhaps the doctor could get a series of his own (he's the only one I really like)... It could be a kind of Marcus Welby in Space thing!
SysCrusher... waiting on June and Crusade's debut!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -
With DS9 winding down, I am left to wonder what the future of Star Trek holds (hopefully without Berman at the helm). With only five weeks left until the finale, I can only hope that the Dominion threat is not resolved entirely, as such would seem to cheapen the impact that they have presented over the past four seasons (especially with the destruction of the Defiant in TCFOE). I would love to see a tenth big screen feature that is effects-heavy involving both TNG and DS9 cast and crew, devoid of the cheap and ineffective attempts at humor that have plagued the TNG crew's past three outings, and chock-full of ACTION! That should be the future of Trek; not the trite Berman-inspired swill we've been forcefed the past ten years. And so what if Episodes I-III rule the boxoffice for the next six years? There will still be loyal Star Trek fans waiting anxiously to see a quality film that seeks to broaden the horizons of the universe we've come to appreciate that is Star Trek.
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Thought:
Using the final NG episode as the basis for the plot, why not have Star Trek TFG (The Future Generation). It'd take place 20 years in the future. Riker is an Admiral. Picard is retired and has trouble remembering stuff. Geordi's around. Worf is with the Klingons. The Doctor has her own medical Starship. Data is in England. These people wouldn't be the main characters. They just could on occasion be available for stories. The main story would take place on The Enterprise F with a new crew. Maybe have Alexander on it. Or one of Geordi's kids in engineering. The Klingons are now enemies again. They may have heard more about Voyager by that time.
Anyway, it'd give Trek the chance to get The Enterprise back in the story, to have a "guest" from TNG once in a while, have new good Klingons as the enemy stuff, and give them a chance to make up NEW great stuff, like they did when TNG came out.
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Ahhh, the Voyager bashing comments. I know Star Wars is in and trendy, and nothing else compares to it. I won't even mention how all the creatures in Star Wars - even the pictures of the computer generated ones I've seen from the new movie - look like they escaped from Sesame Street. With all George Lucas' resources, why do the designers that work for him have to make so many creatures that look like they came straight out of Bert and Ernie's nightmares? What happened to Snuffelupagus on Sesame Street anyway? He looked kind of like an elephant. Is he going to be in Episode II? Oops, I'm digressing AND bashing. I know Voyager doesn't always stack up to Classic Trek, or the Next Generation, and alot of people hate it because the captain is a woman. But I like it. We all have different tastes and all, but I think alot of the comments about Voyager are unfair, and are probably made by people who watched the first show, and gave up on it. The last episode (Someone to Watch Over Me) had some of the funniest scenes I've seen on T.V. in a while. So, to paraphrase Cartman from South Park, sc$%# you guys, I like the show. (Disclaimer - no, I don't live in my parent's basement, and yes, I have kissed a girl in my life, and I have a job). TB
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First of all, it's a shame DS9 couldn't have just one season more. DS9 has become one of the best Star Trek series. Now I'll be forced to watch Voyager with its cool special effects and nice surprises, but with its bad stories and dud episodes. DS9 always had very strong stories, even in season 1 (the underlying stories were perfect, it just became boring at times). I don't understand why many of you don't like the TNG movies. First Contact is perhaps THE best ST movie ever made. Insurrection was good, in its own way. I really hope to see a DS9/TNG Dominion movie (Picard returning to the Federation from the Ba'Ku planet!!!).
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If you look back at all the "big" ideas in Star Trek's history, Roddenberry, and his successors, have usually made BAD choices. The lower echelons (writers, actors) have given them the "good" ideas on a silver platter. Ira Steven Behr/Rene Echevarria, or Nicholas Meyer/Leonard Nimoy can move this franchise forward. All others will kill it. By the way, I watch Voyager, but only because there's nothing else on. DS9 will be missed. Paramount should do a TNG/DS9 Dominion War movie (The Battle to End All Battles?), and they should do it now!
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It sucks that DS9 is going off the air. But at least it's last season was cool and was better than B5's last season. But I hope that the last episode isn't a rip off of Sleeping in The Light. Even though SIL was cool I was to see something different.
And who knows maybe the next ST series will be about a Borg attack on Earth, but it's unsucessful. But after the attack they launch nanoprobes on Earth and they will assimulate everyone on Earth in 5 years. Then they would have to send out a ship to explore planets to find a cure before Earth becomes assimulated. They already have casting figured out, they'll just take everyone from Crusade and put them in Federation uniforms. I wouldn't put it past them.
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I would really like to see a Fresh "New" Take on the Star Trek franchise. What that would be I dont know but please no more'goody goody straight as an arrow' human of the future....And NO MORE of this: (Android, Alien or WHATEVER longing to be Human,refusing to be Human,or whatever gripe they have about humanity).
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I sure as hell hope that Brooks and others did not have that much of a say int the final episode. Even if it was a SIL rip off. I would prefer that to a TNG hitting of the reset button. I will feel so cheated if everything is so neatly resolved in a nice little package and everyone sleeps tight in their nice little beds. The rumor of the last scenes make me want to wretch. Oh how I have been looking forward to no one saving Vic's program from the hollowdeck before the station goes BOOM! It's just not fair I tell you.
I do understand Brooks's concerns like the poster above stated. I could see how he would get worked up about such things but..."It's just a damm TV show!". Get over it. Imagine if Trek was the center of recent contreversy instead of the "Basketball Diaries" and the "Matrix"? Now there is a company with deep pockets.
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I say the sooner Berman is gone, the better (and don't let the door hit you on the way out!). It's time for some new blood when it comes to the Star Trek franchise, and besides, Berman has screwed around with things enough.
W/ regard to the end of DS9, two words: it sucks. DS9 has always been my favorite of the Trek shows, and to be reduced to watching Voyager now that it's gone is pathetic. Frankly, I would *much* rather see a couple more years of the Dominion war and DS9 than have to keep rehashing the same ole' same ole' when it comes to Voyager. I think it'd be great to see some DS9 movies (this is without knowing a great deal about the outcome of the finale); the potential seems to be there, and they're holding on to some of the sets... IMHO, that has the possibility to turn out a couple of feature films or at least TV movies that are better than what TNG has seen fit to give us. -
"Atavachron" was the name of the machine that sent Spock back to an ice age where he got friendly with Mariette Hartley.
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I'm really sad to see DS9 go. I'm also really sad to see Voyager stay. It is truly a sad chapter in the history of Star Trek. I watch Voyager and after every episode, I ask myself, "WHY THE HELL DID I WATCH THAT SHIT?" What Voyager has become is just depressing. In science fiction the idea is to change a couple of normal laws and explore what life would be like with them different. Deep Space Nine does this quite well, but in Voyager they can do anything whenever they want. I never feel for the crew because if they're in a perdicament I know that they'll just come up with some new techno-babblish solution to everything. It sickens me. Look what they've done to the borg! When I first saw the borg on NG I was dead scared. There was ominous opera music playing in the background and a shiver went up my spine as the borg cube approached. Voyager just turns everything into a big wannabe action movie. The borg are weak and stupid. I'm sick of the borg now. I never want to see any more of them EVER. What Voyager does is they take everything that people want and put it in their show to make people watch it. In the proccess they just turn it into a bowl of bullshit. I want Voyager to end soon and I never want to see any of the characters ever again. The next feature should be about the dominion war. There's no doubt about that in my mind. In fact, I think insurrection was a big mistake. They should have at least shown the war from the perspective of the Enterprise E. Isn't it the flagship anyway? Shouldn't it be leading the fleet to war? This is just my 2 (ok maybe a little more than 2) cents.
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