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A Pair Of Reviews Arrive For ALIEN VS PREDATOR: REQUIEM! Will It Finally Be A Merry Christmas For Fans?!

Hey, everyone. ”Moriarty” here. Based on everything I’m hearing... nope. I hope these two reviews are wrong. I hope the word of mouth I’ve heard from several people working on the film is wrong. I hope the movie at least fulfills the task of making Aliens and Predators seems threatening again. Look, I hated the Shane Salerno script enough that my review got Fox’s legal department all twitchy, but we heard afterwards that they weren’t using the Salerno script “for a variety of reasons.” Based on the trailers, though, and these reviews, I’d say that was a big fat lie, because it looks to me like a shitload of Salerno’s script has survived to the final film. And if that’s the case, then there’s little hope for this film, because that was one of the worst scripts I’ve read in the last few years. At any rate, we’ll know tomorrow. Here’s a quick reaction first:
I just got home from screening AVP-R and I must say I am disappointed at some things, but overall I enjoyed it. The movie, which has a short runtime, tries to pack most of the action into the last half of the movie. Yes, there are some deaths in the first half, but there is no sense of direction. We see girlfriend issues, people talking about life being hard, blah, blah, blah… It just doesn't make you feel for the humans. But who cares about that right? We all want to see gore and action, which I'm glad to say is the movie's strong point. I have to admit, the action sequences in this movie have topped the first one by a long shot, but if you've seen the red-band trailer, then you already know what's going to happen before it occurs on-screen. This is what made this aspect of the film a little disappointing, but it wasn't enough to ruin or take away from the experience. That was left to the acting… There are only two characters that are even worth paying attention to, because all the rest of them just stand there and say "Are you okay?", or, "Something's wrong here…" I mean, come on, that's just ridiculous. I hate to say it, but there are some better dialogue sequences in the first AVP film. The wooden dialogue, just like the little bit of background on each character, hinders the likeability factor for the humans. I didn't really care if they succeeded. But that really doesn't matter does it? They just stand in the way of the main attraction. Most of us just want to see the Predator and the Aliens fighting it out, and hopefully one of them will emerge victorious… right? I have to say it delivers on the promise of action, but if you're looking for resolution, then you won't find it here. It won't leave anyone arguing who won the battle royal (like the first film), and once again, if you have seen the red-band trailer then you can almost guess what happens at the end ten minutes before you get there. In all, this movie was fun. Not great, but it was worth watching. If you're a fan of either series, you'll enjoy it. Just look past the wooden acting and watch it for its true purpose; two alien species battling it out. If you use this review, you can call me Frizz.
And here’s a more detailed reaction, and this is the one that really fills me with dread. This guy seems to have reeeeally wanted this to work, and his disappointment is palpable:
First time reviewer . . . will try to keep the spoilers down, but really, you won't care. Remember Alien? You know, that sci-fi flick where that spider thing grabs onto the guys face, and then later this thing bursts out of his chest and runs off? And you never really saw the alien, and the tension just kept building and building till the end? And remember Predator? That kick-ass action movie with Arnold, the guy who played Apollo in Rocky, and Jesse The Body Ventura with the coolest gun EVER? And they were being hunted by this thing in the jungle that could make itself invisible and shot a laser cannon, and left skinned bodies hanging everywhere? Yeah, those movies were awesome. I'm sure all you guys remember them. The Strause Brothers, however, apparently have no fucking clue what I'm talking about. Which is pretty unfortunate since they were SUPPOSED to be directing Alien vs Predator: Requiem . . . turns out they were raping everyone in the theatre, taking their money, and stomping on babies as they ran away before the credits rolled. That's about what this movie felt like . . . watching babies getting stomped on. It's a horrible mess that you can't look away from, can do nothing about, and you know in your heart is just wrong, wrong, wrong. It's almost like they were giving a sophomore english class book report on all the previous movies, but they just read the backs of the DVD cases instead of actually WATCHING them. We start off right where the last AVP ended (and, for the record, I enjoyed that one . . . didn't love it, but it was definitely watchable and had some moments). The hybrid Predalien has just burst out of the dead Predator, and it runs off. About three seconds later, it's a full-blown Alien with dreadlocks . . . and right there is the problem that plagues the whole movie: NOTHING is properly developed. Not one single character matters in this movie. They show up, they say exactly what their cliche demands, and then they're gone. A jock actually says, as seriously as possible: "we need guns" . . . in the convenience store . . . standing next to the gun rack. I'm pretty sure the entire audience isn't supposed to laugh their ass off while the people on screen are supposed to be terrified. Also, I think this is the most daylight an Alien has ever been in . . . and it is NOT scary. What surprised me a bit, though, was how uselessly mean-spirited this movie is. ***SPOILER*** For example, a father and sun on a hunting trip find the downed spaceship with the Alien in it. Naturally, this allows all the facehuggers the Predators kept on their ship to escape (why the Predators had these things on the ship, I'm afraid we'll never know), and both the kid and the dad get an alien muzzle. Just leaving it at that would have been creepy, but later when the kid wakes up, he watches his dad die, and then we see the KID have his chest turned inside out. Now, in a GOOD movie, we would have had some relationship with the kid, and actually CARED that his torso now has a giant hole in it . . . but we don't. His entire screen time had to be less than 2 minutes. The scene was neither shocking nor cool . . . it was just there. Remember Newt? Cared about her, right? Felt nervous when she was gonna get eaten by the bitch? Thought so. If you're gonna kill a kid, at least let us learn the little fuckers name! Now, about the Predalien . . . ugh. It really does look like they took an alien, gave it a weave, and glued some fangs on the side of it's mouth. That is, it looked like that when I could SEE the damn thing. It got almost no special treatment or time, and when it was fighting a Predator, all you could see were dreadlocks whipping around . . . couldn't tell who was who or what they were doing. Oh, and ***SPOILER*** it can lay multiple alien embryos into human bodies through it's mouth. I literally yelled 'What the fuck!?' in the theatre. Fuck the alien eggs, it just puts 5 of the worms directly into already pregnant women, and they burst out about 3 minutes later. This means we get shots of dead pregnant women with burst stomachs in a paternity ward, and one live 'birth.' This, like the father and son, is over and done with so quickly it doesn't even register. Like I said, pointlessly mean. And don't think you'll at least get to see some good Alien on Predator action . . . you know, like the word VERSUS would otherwise mean in a title. The total time with both of them onscreen couldn't have been more than 5 minutes . . . and it was pretty weak. So, basically what I'm saying is this very well might be the worst film of the year . . . worse than 'Hitman' . . . YES, WORSE THAN THAT. There's one, ONE cool death, but I'll leave that alone for anyone who finds themselves trapped watching this waste of celluloid. No tension, no buildup, no payoff, no point. Go see 'Sweeney Todd' again, I guarantee you'll have a better time. Hope that wasn't too much rambling, but yeah . . . this thing pissed me off. If you guys use this, call me Toulon.

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  • Dec. 24, 2007, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Is it worth it to watch Reiko?

    by tonagan

    Does she wear skimpy clothes?

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Nobody gave a shit.........

    by godhatesyou

    About the Alien VS the predator..........nobody cares its not interesting at all.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Well I had hope...

    by Grendel745

    Maybe these reviews are wrong though. I thought maybe this time the powers that be got it right. I'm in no hurry to see it, that's for certain, so I can wait and see the general fan's reaction.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

    by F-1000

    Sorry, stopped reading the second review after he said he liked the travesty that was the first AVP. There is no way in HELL this movie could be worse than the first.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Is anybody surprised? Seriously?

    by filmicdrummer17

    That second review was splendid. Go see Sweeney, indeed.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 3:13 p.m. CST

    These films were bad ideas from the word go

    by DARTH VOODOO

    Who gives a shit? They should do a proper Alien film with a new cast. There is a lot of cool stuff yet to be discovered. Like what exactly are the aliens? Where are they from? Are they biological weapons... etc The Predator series should be retired.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Does It Still Fuck with Alien/Aliens Continuity?

    by jackson healy

    If it does, than forget this piece of crap.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 3:14 p.m. CST

    SUCKS

    by MrDagon

    Sounds very sucky .... Yuck-Oh Christmas. Bleeaagghhh !!

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Americans love bad films............

    by godhatesyou

    They fucking love them........Catwoman was on today and the Americans loved it........

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Alien Vs Predator sequel turns out shit

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Big surprise. As soon as you hire 2 FX bods to direct you're fucked.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 3:17 p.m. CST

    PLANTS!

    by Sirius2

    The second guy was totally a plant.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Alien Vs. A Good Script

    by MrDagon

    The Aliens Win ...

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Kind of how it looked from the trailer..

    by Rameses

    these reviews dont surprise me , the trailer and everything else I've seen from this film gave off a dissapointing vibe.Having the aliens run round small town america , just seemed so lame.And as the second guy mentions , the power of the original alien and predator , really came from a dreadfull sense of the unkown.Now everyone knows what a predator and alien looks like , its hard to recreate any suspense.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 3:19 p.m. CST

    This makes me mad.

    by therobcat

    I just watched all four Alien films and it makes me sad that it's been about 10 years since the last one. The fourth wasn't nealr as good as the first two, and I'll be angry forever that Hicks and Newt had to die for no good reason in the third, but every one of those movies is so much better than the AVP crap fest... it makes me want to rip my nasal hair out. It begs the question: How can you fuck this up? Does no one give a shit about this stuff anymore?

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 3:22 p.m. CST

    This place doesn't deserve good movies......

    by godhatesyou

    I tell my friends to make them when this place is gone.......in about 2 years,

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 3:26 p.m. CST

    National Treasure 2 #1 at the B.O. this weekend.

    by Lashlarue

    Everyone in this country is a retard. Or at least 75% of the population. I'm sure they'll love this movie, but not as much as SAW 4. That was a masterpiece in their eyes. Seriously, I'm ready for some nukes, or some plague to wipe out most of people on this planet.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 3:27 p.m. CST

    It'll still make decent money...

    by Alonzo Mosely

    Enough to warrant at least 1 more direct-to-dvd sequel, probably multiple ones... I smell Treat Williams vs a Predator or Wesley Snipes vs an alien in about 5 years time...

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Sigh.....

    by MRX67

    Why oh why do I even bother. Another piece of crap to throw at us. Why don't they save the energy, money and time by rolling all the crappy movies into one. Alien vs Predator vs. The Cloverfield monster?

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 3:30 p.m. CST

    I love Adam Sandler! I love the Food Network! I love Wal-mart!

    by Lashlarue

    I am a real American!!!

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Shoulda Been Hard-R Transgressive Grindhousey Flicks

    by LaserPants

    The should just make it a barely coherent nonstop insane gorefest from start to finish. Acting shouldn't even be a consideration. have minimal dialogue buts lots of insane, visceral arterial spray, face meltings, decapitations and mutilations of all kinds. All set to intense, orchestral hardcore electro no wave atonal strings and martial-tribal drums ala the Apocalypse Now backing soundtrack speeded up and but several octaves ala Merzbow / Neubauten. Yeah I know it would never happen, but that would make it work. Some kinda neo-primitive sci-fi splatter genocidal gore fetish film.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 3:31 p.m. CST

    its game over man

    by semisaj

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Was it just me...

    by MRX67

    Or did adam sandler look like bob dylan in reign over me?

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST

    fuck cameron and scott for not saving the alien franchise

    by semisaj

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Laserpants...

    by MRX67

    You and others only prove that B-movies will never die.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 3:39 p.m. CST

    GodHatesYou

    by Frijole

    You're joking, right? CATWOMAN was universally panned and completely tanked at the B.O.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 3:40 p.m. CST

    2nd review

    by MC-909

    I'm sure it was a bad movie, but baby-stomping bad? I think someone needs to get a handle on their hyperboles and not be so willy-nilly with them. Worse than baby-stomping? Really? <p> And is anyone else bugged with how they're marketing it as "AVP:R" with the "R" being in bright red letters...you know...to let us know that THIS one is rated R. "See geeks, we listened to you: the new one is rated R! Yeah, it's still a shit movie but see? R! It's right there in the fucking title!"

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Skipping this one

    by CloudCleaver

    Got suckered into seeing the first one. Unless there's some fan love for this follow-up, not gonna get suckered again.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 3:50 p.m. CST

    The first film I use to get rid of unwanted guests

    by MontyPigeon

    Here's hoping this one outdoes the first one. The most someone managed to stay was 20 minutes before leaving, this film could get them out the door in seconds.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 3:50 p.m. CST

    by JUSTICE41

    Yeah but who gives a fuck what a few reviewers with agendas say. Legend was a piece of shit movie and it's making boatloads of cash so reviewers be damned, they know nothing.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 4 p.m. CST

    Killing the Goose that lays the Golden Eggs

    by lonestaricon

    How sad that two great franchise's with all the inherent potential for success, simply fail to meet expectations. A poor script is basically a battle plan for failure and if the reviewers are to be trusted, then this movie is DOA. How sad.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 4:01 p.m. CST

    I demand AvP 3 written/directed by Mel Gibson!

    by DerLanghaarige

    I guess it was Vern's idea and it is a great idea!

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 4:08 p.m. CST

    alien

    by duchuvney_post_x

    so sad. so sad.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 4:08 p.m. CST

    That's a shame

    by Transmetropolitan

    We really need a movie with just ONE Predator again. No Aliens, one Predator, decent script, won't happen.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Alien 5 Teaser Script

    by timberwolf4545

    Not sure what this is or if it is the rel deal. seems like a hell of a lot more promise than the AVPr crapfest. Let your opinions be heard: http://www.savefile.com/files/1266257

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Fear Not For The Franchise

    by zinc_chameleon

    Because it's guaranteed to get resurrected (no pun untended) when IMAX 3d and interactive club theatre (thank you Ray Bradbury for thinking that up in the 1950s!) get going. Watch Aliens Vs. Predator? HELL NO! BE AN ALIEN OR A PREDATOR.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 4:17 p.m. CST

    LOL, AVP-R SUX!

    by The Visco Kid

    I had a feeling it would, but still I was kind of hoping it would have been better than the first one.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 4:20 p.m. CST

    God I hope this kills the franchise

    by WhoDis

    Only 16 year old video game nerds are into these travesties, long live Cameron, Scott and McTiernen's visions.... oh, and who the hell is surprised that FOX lied? Should we list all the crimes against humanity that The Rothman Administration has inflicted on us poor souls? It's probably longer than GwB's, jo ho hoo!!!

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Can we finally euthanize this franchise and be done with it?

    by GrandMuffTarkin

    How many shitstained scripts can one crapass director after another blow through until we all scream "enough!"?

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 4:28 p.m. CST

    enjoyed AVP = credibility lost.

    by oceanic86

    yeah, this movie looks awful, but i'm not going to take the word someone who enjoyed any single moment of AVP. there wasn't a single worthwhile moment in that entire movie, even the aliens fighting predators scenes were boring and stupid. seriously, the trailer for AVP2 is better than that entire fucking movie, so anyone who trashes AVP2 then says they enjoyed AVP is absolutely worthless as a critic.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 4:28 p.m. CST

    semisaj "its game over man"

    by WhoDis

    and the winner for best post goes to...

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 4:31 p.m. CST

    "i hope, i hope, i hope"

    by oceanic86

    no you don't, mori. you already made your mind up that it's no good, and it's blatantly obvious. your objectivity posturing is transparent.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Was the *NEW* RAMBO trailer in front of this???

    by ABking

    RAMBO's latest final trailer KICKs ASS...the one that says "HEROS DONT DIE...THEY JUST RELOAD" --was it in front of AvP=R?

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Aliens vs Predator vs RON PAUL

    by shogunshin

    i watched the first AvP on hbo one night, and for a late night hbo movie, it was not all that bad! but they keep changing the storyline, so i was worried about this one. i will again wait, until it is is on hbo one late night in the future, for me to sit down and watch. but in the meantime, have you guys heard about RON PAUL, and how when he is ELECTED PRESIDENT, he will save you THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS A YEAR??? google RON PAUL YOUTUBE to see how this amazing PATRIOT can make you RICH, and fix this country right! google RON PAUL yourself, to learn about how as a doctor, he assisted in the birth of 4000 people! google RON PAUL to find out how he will END TAXES! just make your OWN informed decision, by learning about the PATRIOT RON PAUL. so in 2008, i will eventually watch AvP2 on hbo, and in 2008 i will VOTE FOR RON PAUL

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 4:41 p.m. CST

    AvP was crap, why would AvPR be good

    by beetlegeuse

    I want them to kick it up a notch for the sequel. I want to see alien vs predator vs freddy vs jason vs john mclean vs godzilla. Yippy-kay-yay-motherfuckers

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 4:46 p.m. CST

    aT LEAST....

    by MRX67

    There's a hero in this...Can't say that for another shitty movie yet to come.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 4:48 p.m. CST

    whodis thank you!!

    by semisaj

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 4:49 p.m. CST

    It's already online/bootlegged

    by GraceStreetDivision

    http://tinyurl.com/2zz7dj And yes it is as bad as they are saying, maybe a bit worse...

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Hollywood can only learn if you fucking nerds avoid this shit

    by Chutch

    not even if : james cameron returned sigourney weaver returned hicks and hudson were cloned back to life ron perlman returned could the alien franchise be saved...it's fucking dead-er than dead thanks to 20cf's greed. predator never had a chance after the first one anyway.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 4:52 p.m. CST

    SCREWED THE POOCH

    by aboriginal

    This franchise will never be cured in my lifetime. And, ya know? FUCK IT and gimme Ridley Scott's, a 1080p 46 incher and 7.1 digital with a womper stomper of a 1000w Sunfire sub and I'll be happy and fuck the dumb asses that cannot make a decent movie without a DVD roadmap shoved up their asses. Just fuck'em.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 4:54 p.m. CST

    This movie has shit written all over it

    by BrowncoatJedi

    COME ON!!! How can it possibly be any good to any thinking person!?

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Ron Paul is a fad candidate

    by Frijole

    He's a TellyTubby, a POG, a Macarena. And what's a real hoot is that 99% of his supporters are registered Democrats and Independents whose suport of him at this point is worthless since they can't even vote for him in the Republican primaries.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 4:55 p.m. CST

    re: Aliens vs Predator vs RON PAUL

    by cantankerous

    If those were the choices I'd probably vote for the Predator.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 4:58 p.m. CST

    no surprise

    by Candy ass monkey suit

    It amazes me how everyone inc Moriaty still thinks a good alien film can be made !! the mystery and suspense and awe has long diminished with numerous sequels. I still believe there is a kick ass predator movie to be made and that is what i saw avp part 1 as..nothing more than an enjoyable predator movie,though not perfect it had some moments of coolness. To make the aliens truly scary again would need. A) one hell of a director..prob ridley scott again..B) a fucking awesome script not written by some fucking high school jock and C) the complete and total backing from fox not to mess with the script and cut. I'll defo go see this but i'm going in as everyone else should have done from the start.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 5:01 p.m. CST

    The 2nd review...

    by MRX67

    sounds better than the movie.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Oh, you fucking fuckers...

    by DocPazuzu

    Y'know, I didn't really have a problem with the predalien as a concept. Ever since Alien 3, where the creature was a semi-quadruped because it gestated inside a dog, it's been more or less established that the Aliens adopt certain characteristics of its hosts. However, what the fuck is up with this launching of multiple live Alien embryos from its mouth(!) into hosts? If this is something it's adopted from the Predators, then it means that Predators somehow reproduce in a similar manner since it obviously isn't part of the normal Alien life cycle, in other words not very likely. I mean WHAT THE FUCK!!!! <p> As if the shit with "Dallas Howard" and the 20-something hatebait wasn't bad enough, you have to completely fuck up the last ounce of goodwill you may have had with awful, awful gimmicks like that. <p> If you think the AvP 2 script review TB was bad, Fox, you are about to have your minds blown and your asses raped before this thing is over. <p> Can you feel the hate?

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 5:07 p.m. CST

    It's obvious....

    by MRX67

    That hollywood is making movies for the sick mofo's who have nothing better else to do but go see a plotless movie. Let's make a movie about monsters killing people and freaking cares if the movie sucks. The funniest part of the second review was the guy announcing they need guns near a gun rack in a convenience store.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 5:15 p.m. CST

    What's more...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...is that any AvP movie set on Earth in our time has its outcome predetermined by the very setting of the story. Obviously the Alien infestation has to be wiped out before word spreads, otherwise Weyland-Yutani's Nostromo mission would be pointless, or not take place at all since Earth would have been overrun 200 years earlier. Also, human weaponry of the early 21st century isn't capable of dealing with that kind of infestation which means it's ALWAYS going to be the preds who come out on top and "save the day" for Earth. <p> Set your fucking AvP movie in the future, on a colony world or on a space station and suddenly all bets are off, and all excitement is on. <p> You drooling Foxtards can't seem to get this simple equation to work, so FUCK YOU!!!

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Why do the golden ideas...

    by alienindisguise

    always and i mean ALWAYS get the shittiest treatment. Sounds like the douchebag bros. were just trying to milk the R rating but instead of a half hour Alien Predator bloodbath we see a kid and pregnant chicks busting open..fucking WEAK! I hope someone for Fox does read all this shit. Hey morons..if you decide to do this a third time give me a shout..if you want it to be good. filmmakerartist1@yahoo.com yeah that's right..BRING IT!

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 5:41 p.m. CST

    You don' t have to accept what directors give you

    by Gorrister

    For me, the Alien storyline ends with "Aliens". Newt, Ripley, Hicks and Bishop go back to Earth and live happily ever after. That's it as far as I'm concerned. Sure, I watch the other two movies, but I like to think of them as Ripley's nightmares (hey, Aliens did end with a reference to dreams, after all). I do have to confess, however, that I do LOVE Alien 3 (the 'directors' cut, that is). What I have always said about Alien 3 is this: "It's a great movie, but a terrible sequel." I pretty much have the same attitude towards other franchises that got ruined as well. For Star Wars, there is no story beyond the original three movies. I could go on and on about films that got ruined by 'going back to the well too one too many times.' So, if you like these films, great. But as far as I'm concerned, they are a separate entity from the originals.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Creativity is a memory...

    by Pariah74

    It's sad. Why couldn't somebody do something cool with AVP? I mean it's a gimmick to start with so why not gimmick the hell out of it? Why use the standard formula? Seriously leave the humans and dialog out of the movie. How could would that be? Do a remake of Aliens but swap out Predators for humans. No dialog, just tension tension fight fight...tension tension fight fight for 90 minutes. God, is that so hard? I mean hey it might suck but it would do two things 1. Give the fans what they want, and 2. cause enough hype/buzz to get butts in the seats. GAH!

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 5:46 p.m. CST

    I think SHOGUNSHIN IS Ron Paul...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...sadly singing his own praises anonymously in the third person on Christmas Eve. Mr. Paul...shouldn't you be out stumping in New Hampshire or something instead of giving yourself talkback hand job?

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 5:48 p.m. CST

    PLANTS

    by Hugh G Rekshun

    Working for rival movie studios.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 6:01 p.m. CST

    My 2 Cents

    by ultrakev69

    The last AvP film had a lot of faults, one of which was the lack of gore. It certainly wasn’t the biggest problem I had with the film but it seems to be the only one the film makers have addressed in this sequel. What do the idiots behind this film think? That what made the earlier films popular was the blood and guts? What about the pacing in Alien, the build up of tension, the ground breaking creature effects, the quality of the acting? Aliens DEVELOPED the central character by giving her a purpose and a gripping character arc as well as giving us a glimpse into a believable future world. Alien 3 could have been brilliant but Fincher was inexperienced and got handicapped by the studio. Resurrection was doomed as soon as they ditched Josh Weedon’s script and hired a director that couldn’t communicate properly with the rest of the cast (Sigourney Weavers influence didn’t help the film either). These types of films need a fucking strong director at the helm to prevent the fuckwits from sticking their oars in and screwing them up. Both Ridley Scott and James Cameron don’t stand for any shit and fight tooth and nail to realise their visions. I should reserve judgment until I see the film but I feel I’ve seen most of the film already in the redband trailer. One day, someone will make another decent Alien or Predator film but it won’t be for a long time as no director worth his or her salt will touch this franchise with a ten foot pole now.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 6:03 p.m. CST

    This movie is gonna suck.

    by zodiac1012

    Just like the first one did. Paul W riting S ucks Anderson along with Fox fuckers already fucked up the franchise.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Rated R for RETARDED...

    by travis-dane

    but the Alien franchise will not die!Somebody,someday,somewhere will make a good Alien movie again.It is all there,just use it right!

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 6:12 p.m. CST

    The second review

    by Vigilant

    Since the reviewer even sorta liked that first AvP movie, I'll have to ignore the review entirely.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 6:12 p.m. CST

    And by the way HAPPY HOLLIDAYS to all you AICN TB`s!

    by travis-dane

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 6:15 p.m. CST

    "I literally yelled WHAT THE FUCK?! in the theatre"

    by Pound Sand

    Man, I love it when people do subverive stuff like that..., yelling stuff during movies, laser pointers, throwing things at the screen. Keep ruining the experience for everybody, and stick it to the MAN!!!! Jackass.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 6:17 p.m. CST

    I'm not a plant...

    by Frizz

    I just work as a projectionist at a theater. I've always enjoyed movies and just recently I started writing reviews for my local and college papers. I totally agree with the second review.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Hey now! I for one enjoy a good baby stomping...

    by Neosamurai85

    In heaven... everything is fine... :)

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Xiphos

    by Frizz

    Fine you idiot: http://www.myspace.com/the_one_they_call_frizz There, take that, you pansy.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 6:40 p.m. CST

    I saw it a week ago...

    by Gil Brooks

    ...and thought it was fun. I'm a HUGE Alien/Predator fan, though I hated the 1st AVP. Review here: <p> http://tinyurl.com/34amnv <p> People always say "why doesn't it take place in space?!?!?" C'mon, guys. We all know how studios, budgets, and box office work. Give it up. This is as good as it gets, until it becomes cheaper to make space movies.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 7:02 p.m. CST

    come on

    by ragingdrunklove

    seriously? did anybody on the entire planet expect this to be good? the aliens series crapped out after the second one, and predator after the first...what makes you think that adding the two could be any good? especially when it was already done, and it sucked. no surprise here.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Wow, Gil...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... your review not only confirms that they pretty much used the entire Shane Salerno script intact, but that EVERY SINGLE THING I FUCKING HATED about the script is still in the film. Yay.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 7:07 p.m. CST

    I can look away from someone stomping on babies just fine thank

    by I am_NOTREAL

    Just as I will look away from this...but how can anyone be at all surprised? I watched Alien again not too long ago. I've seen it dozens of times since I conned my dad to taking me to see it in the theater back in 1979. I love that movie. Even after many, many viewings, there's still tension. I can still respect the craftsmanship and vision of the film - the way the Nostromo looked, the way the derelict alien ship looked, the way the characters behaved, the music, the mood, the way it all worked together. And on this most recent viewing, I picked up some minor continuity errors I HAD NEVER SEEN BEFORE - the film is so riveting and confident in its storytelling that after nearly 30 years and multiple screenings (I've owned 3 different copies) I'm STILL NOTICING THINGS FOR THE FIRST TIME. But I saw the poster for this as I was walking into "I Am Legend" (which was pretty bad, BTW - the general lack of antipathy here for that one and its blatant disdain for quality source material surprises me) and I felt nothing. Nothing. I wish it wasn't happening, but I will retaliate the only way I can, with my wallet.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 7:12 p.m. CST

    Gil Brooks, you ass-cock.

    by DocPazuzu

    "C'mon, guys. We all know how studios, budgets, and box office work. Give it up. This is as good as it gets, until it becomes cheaper to make space movies." <p> First of all, anyone who says "c'mon guys" or "no, srsly dudes" in AICN talkback is a fucking plant of the 3Fast 3Furious "this film is da boooooomb!" school of retarded plantitude. <p> Second of all, don't give us that fucking horseshit about "expensive" space movies. Leprechaun 4, Hellraiser 4 and Jason X were fucking space movies. Hell, Jason of fucking Star Command was set in space and I'll bet it makes AvP:R look like shit. <p> Let's say you and your satanic Fox whoremasters actually scrape together the few crack whore blowjob dollars you need for a couple of establishing space scenes in the first five minutes of a film. All you have to do is shoot the rest of it in Coober Pedy, Australia (Mad Max 2, Pitch Black etc.) for that desert planet vibe. <p> Too expensive? What, Fox can't pony up the dough to equal or surpass the space/desert planet epic Metalstorm: The Destruction of Jared-Syn? <p> Fuck you, you shameless, soulless, bloodsucking slattern.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 7:16 p.m. CST

    And when I refer to...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...the awesome Leprechaun 4 as a cheap space movie, in no way do I intend to impugn the great Warwick Davis or the unassailable coolness of the Leprechaun series as a whole.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 7:17 p.m. CST

    TOO SOON!!

    by Pageiv

    Vote Ron Paul!

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 7:19 p.m. CST

    ponn-far in 2008!

    by ironic_name

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Since you mentioned it, I Am Not REAL

    by zinc_chameleon

    I just found out something interesting about "I Am Legend". The first time it was screened, there was no Anna or Ethan. Robert Neville died right after he drew the blood from the Alpha Female, and then killed all the Dark Seekers. So they patched up the storyline to give it a happy ending. Dumb! Here's my happy ending, that answers *more* story questions, and still hits all the plot points: (1) Neville cures the Alpha Female (after this point I will call her Mary) right after Samantha his dog is killed. But she's a bit brain-damaged; she's gentle and good-natured, but can no longer speak. Kind of what you would expect from a cured rabies victim. She can sing, but not speak. (2) Neville is reborn by taking care of her. But he asks himself: "How are we going to cure the others?" He can't come up with a solution, because he's beginning to understand that the Darkseekers are savages, not animals. (That's of course clear in the dog action sequences, but the writer neglected to follow that up, instead giving us stupid exposition about how their normal social behavior is gone. A guy tries to protect his girl, and Neville can't figure it out! (3)Mary wants to go back and see the nest where she came from, because she believes there are others like herself who can be brought back to humanity. This is the part where her voice comes in. Neville reluctantly goes back, and when Mary begins to re-experience her past, by smelling and seeing the Nest, she screams in horror, as her memories as an Infected come back. And her old boyfriend, the Alpha male hears. [Okay, so far I've eliminated Anna and Ethan, by having a much more interesting Mary character. But that's not all!] (4) Mary and Neville go back to Neville's apartment, and she writes down on a pad: "Please give me a baby. Tell me that there is hope." And Neville, fighting his despair, does just that. Mary's new body is a hybrid of human/Darkseeker now, and she's got morning sickness three days later. A few weeks, and she's already starting to show. (This could be foreshadowed by her outperforming him on the treadmill and chinup bar.) Actually the woman they cast was an award-winning athlete and dancer; it would have been easy, if the writer had been awake! (5) Neville gets a radio message that there is a surviving colony in Vermont. Then the attack by the Darkseekers happens. Mary escapes after the big fight scene, and she passes the retinal exam at entrance of the survivors compound. And Mary can write down who she is, and how Robert Neville saved her. He is still Legend, right on cue. So what do you think? I'm sure I've outperformed Akiva Goldsman on this one.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Stomping On Babies?!?!?!

    by RevengeOfJobu

    Is "Stomping On Babies" supposed to mean good or bad? That's a vague simile... 1st TIME TALKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 7:27 p.m. CST

    TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION

    by messi

    good to see you back.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 7:27 p.m. CST

    sorry RevengeofJobu

    by MC-909

    Already beat you to the baby-stomping joke. It was a good shot for your first post, though.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 7:29 p.m. CST

    REad the review...

    by RevengeOfJobu

    This guy seems to have too much sympathy for youth to have much credibility. Movie probably still sucks though. Too bad.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Damn you mc-909

    by RevengeOfJobu

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 7:30 p.m. CST

    the 3Fast 3Furious "this film is da boooooomb!" school of retard

    by aestheticity

    lol DA BOOOOOOOOOMB. whats this expensive space movie thing, you realise you dont actually have to travel to space to shoot one right?

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 7:35 p.m. CST

    50 Years Later...

    by IAmMrMonkey!

    "Hey grandpa. What are those?"<p>"They're DVDs of Alien and Predator. Have you never those movies?"<p>"Fuck no. Why would I want to watch those for? I watched Aliens Versus Predator, and Aliens Versus Predator 2 and they were shit grandpa! Old movies must all be shit."<p>"No, Alien and Predator were great!"<p>"I refuse to believe that grandpa. Like I said, I've seen Alien Versus Predator one AND two. Both were fucking awful."

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 7:40 p.m. CST

    You put a lot more thought into it than I did, zinc_chameleon

    by I am_NOTREAL

    The beginning, but no means the end, of my problems with "I Am Legend" is that in the book, Neville at least lives long enough to realize that he is a legend. In the movie, he doesn't. But the title isn't "He Is Legend," it's "I Am Legend." Typical Hollywood ass-fucking of a good story. And as I said, that's not nearly the extent of my gripes, but it's enough to grow on...I can actually feel my resentment for the movie rising as I type this.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Mori, you hate almost everything.

    by Mike_D

    Leave it to you to drop the negative reviews right before a release! Plus you've hated the project so these reviews can lick my nuts (especially the guy that said he liked the first AVP).

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Ya know, I just might see Sweeney Todd again

    by Bobo_Vision

    That movie was awesome.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 8:18 p.m. CST

    Wow, what a child...

    by Frizz

    Xiphos, the only reason I don't use that language is because I have morals and I don't sink that low to become like the scum you are. If you don't believe that I am not a plant, then I could care less, go see the movie for yourself; it's not that good. I have a review I could scan from my college paper. I could have one of my friends from the theatre vouch for me. No matter what I do, I probably won't convince you. Fox waited to send us the movie until Sunday. When I got it at 8:00 EST I called my manager at home and asked him if he wanted to screen the movie if I built it that night, because we didn't want to stay tonight for obvious reasons. After watching the movie, myself, along with another projectionist and a manager, were all discussing the film. I have to say that we were all in agreement and the general feeling is what I wrote in my review. Take it or leave it, I don't care to sink to your level.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 8:19 p.m. CST

    For Me, The Saga Of ALIENS Ended With ALIENS

    by LaserPants

    That was a perfect movie with a perfect ending. There never should have been another sequel after that. Period.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Frizz and Xiphos...

    by pdennett316

    Just get a fucking room you two, you can discuss the merits of poor franchises while licking each others' cooches. As for this, not expecting much but stupid violence and dumb acting, so I'll see it. But, I'll watch The Thing straight after to appease the Geek Gods, then maybe some Voltron. Nah I'm kidding, fuck Voltron.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Colin said Toulon's review has incorrect info

    by Space Disc Jockey

    I'm seeing the movie, tomorrow and I don't give a shit about these reviews. This looks WAY fucking better than Anderson's film. Hell, this movie has blood/gore, more fight scenes, and the creatures look MUCH better, than the previous film...besides, what is probably a shit script, this film does look fun to watch. This is closer to what we have been expecting, from an AVP film. Colin and Greg said they want AVP3 to take place in space, so maybe, in AVP3 they will get it "right".

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Plant

    by Azlam Orlandu

    I wish Aint it cool would produce a whitty t-shirt that says "Plant" on it. I'd buy one.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 9:10 p.m. CST

    COULD'VE PREDICTED THIS...

    by BurgerTime

    ...the moment the last AVP hit theatres. Awesome idea, but executed by a bunch of suits and hack directors who have no clue how the DNA of either series works. Enjoy this great big lump of coal in your stocking. It's just sad and such a waste. But happy holidays anyway everyone. May your DVD collections grow fatter in 2008! :)

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Stop Busting Balls

    by EvilGeek1

    I'm sick of this. I know this is naturally what people do on movie websites but this is ridiculous. It seems like every single movie that comes out, there's always some naysayer ready to shoot it down for their own egotistical reasons. I read the review and it just sounds like crap. It's not meant to be taken overly seriously, so what's with the nit-picking??? My friends, gone are the days when people could relish even a few minor things from a cinematic experience. Cynicism and bi-ism have taken hold of society. It's a movie about f**king aliens!!!

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Aliens vs. Predator vs. Ecks vs. Sever vs Freddy vs. Jason

    by Zadillo

    Whoever wins....we lose.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 9:16 p.m. CST

    "stomping babies..."

    by vanchimera

    Apparently any metaphor involving the death of infants passes as hard hitting journalism. Whenever in doubt and trying to express disappointment, nothing like the death of some fucking babies to convey your rage. Christ, why is very fucking review on this site written by depressive, negative fuckholes?

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 9:23 p.m. CST

    MikeD...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... in the spirit of the holidays, I'm not going to call you an idiot or a jackass for your blatant falsehood. I will simply say this instead: I've written well over one hundred reviews this year. Very few of them were scathingly negative. I think 2007 has been a great year of film, and I have shared my enthusiasm for a great many movies this year. Saying I hate almost everything is just not true. At all.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 9:24 p.m. CST

    You know what???

    by EvilGeek1

    It probably is shit. But I just detest people getting up and being out and out arseholes about it. It leaves a stigma in people's minds and turns them off a movie. Just wait and see... Someone will rip Speed Racer apart just for the sake of it...

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Yawn...

    by Cheif Brody

    Cant stand Alien vs Predator.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 9:26 p.m. CST

    pdennett316

    by Frizz

    I'm defending myself, thats all. I don't liked being called something I'm not.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 9:30 p.m. CST

    AvP

    by EvilGeek1

    I'm in Ireland. We aren't playing Requiem until mid-January, which is good because we didn't get Woody Allen's Scoop at all!!! I'm looking forward to this. I like the Hybrid. I like the first 5 minutes of it. It kept the Predator score for fucks sake! Doesn't that count for anything???!!???

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 9:31 p.m. CST

    The Death of CGI as a place to hide

    by zinc_chameleon

    Right now, I'm sitting on top of a render farm of Pentium 3 and 4 computers--all given to me free by friends who upgraded--and running the latest Linux OS and Blender 3d software. That's more technology (for free) than Peter Jackson had for 'The Fellowship of the Ring'. Mode_7 was right, why does everyone think CGI is going to save a bad script, or pay geeks so much? Actually I take that back--my free software could do Gollum from 'The Return of the King.'

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 9:33 p.m. CST

    frizz

    by pdennett316

    thats cool man, I was just joking around anyway....Merry Christmas!!!

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 9:36 p.m. CST

    Animatronics forever!

    by EvilGeek1

    As regards CGI, I'll agree. I'd rather watch movies like Altered where there's fuck-all CGI in it and all the aliens are guys in rubber suits. Animatronics and traditional special effects show innovation effort and skill. Computer effects these days are like currency.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 9:47 p.m. CST

    I LOVE YOU, REIKO!

    by Osmosis Jones

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Consider me excited...

    by tile_mcgillus

    I was really hoping for a shitty film to come along. Wish granted!<p> SEE YOU IN HELL STRAUSE BROS!!

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 10:03 p.m. CST

    WHATEVER, i am still seeing it on the 16th

    by Judge Briggs

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 10:04 p.m. CST

    "girlfriend issues" mentioned in the first review

    by kabong

    is all I need to know. The producers must be the usual metrosexual pussies. <p> The only TEENS fighting Aliens or Predators should be in the Colonial Marine Corps. <p> Nuke the site from orbit.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Mori: Why do you hate crappy movies? You should LOVE them

    by Stormwatcher

    Cuz crappy movies need the most love, like stupid babies. Think of all the hard work you can put in with a crappy movie, trying to bring it up, feeding it, then watching it get a job at McDonalds and being so proud...sniff.... so fufilling

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 10:19 p.m. CST

    I love how...

    by Gil Brooks

    ...someone is using a Leprechaun sequel, in a positive light, in an argument for how to make a better film. DocPazuzu, you fail Debate 101. <p> Jack Colby, the reason AVP got a greenlight was because Anderson was able to sell Fox into a lower budget idea- Aztec walls that could be rearranged into different sets = less $$$. I don't know about you, but that movie looked cheap. You fail Film Budgeting 101. <p> Mor- I can't judge the script you read, since I didn't read it myself, and I'm not going to try to convince you it's a good movie. You've got it locked in your head it's going to be bad. I say give it a chance, and relax a bit when you walk in. <p> As for being a plant. Yeah. Fox actually wanted that review pulled, despite it being mostly positive.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Another forgettable sequel, Mo?

    by Pipple

    Sigh, when will they learn... And the writers want MORE money, huh?

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 10:27 p.m. CST

    "Only the loner mouth-breathers"...

    by Alonzo Mosely

    OK, here is how it works, Christmas day, far too many people who hate each other, but are related, get stuck in a house together. They start to split into packs and fake smile at each other while looking for ways out of this hell. Then someone gets smart and suggests the movies. Said pack of people, who probably cover a lot of age difference, will head out and none of them will want to see the same movie, so something like Alien Vs Predator becomes a compromise choice and voila, it will make solid bank, and a Hollywood exec will think they are really clever, whereas it was just a case of having to leave before you put Cousin Terry's head through the fucking wall...

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 10:43 p.m. CST

    Gil Brooks...

    by Alonzo Mosely

    I am sure Doc can defend himself, but you stated, and I quote "until it becomes cheaper to make space movies." What everyone else in the known universe was trying to tell you is that space movies are a staple of cheap ass B movies, and have been since the dawn of movie time. So your original statement, was, if you don't mind the debate 102 level words, utter fucking codswallop. <p> There is nothing inherently expensive about the concept of setting a movie in space...

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 10:50 p.m. CST

    Gil..

    by OBSD

    um... when movies take place in outer space, they're not actually FILMED on another planet. It doesn't cost that much to let the audience know "Okay, we're now on planet Bumblefuck". As long as there isn't a Volkswagen in the fucking shot, people will buy it. Oh, and I for one will not be eating the shit sandwich that is AVP2: electric boogaloo. Mabye if Fox get the balls to shoot something closer to the source material (remember the first AVP comic? I do. It was pretty fucking cool.) I might, MIGHT. go see it. But this turd? Fox can go eat a bag of dicks.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 10:54 p.m. CST

    I'm only going cause I got a free pass...

    by bentoboxx

    to the movie. How did FOX promote the movie??? They had a Santa Alien and Santa Predator pose for pictures at a local comic book shop. The FOX rep gave me a t-shirt and a pass to see the movie. I was waiting for free popcorn and bumperstickers! Sheesh!

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 10:59 p.m. CST

    Johnny 5 vs ED-209

    by veebeeyes

    Now there's a movie I'd like to see. It'd also be short and to-the-point (can't see it lasting more than about 30 seconds), so it'd be over before I have a chance to get bored with it.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Space movies do not need to be expensive.

    by kabong

    As several posters have said, space movies do not demand big budgets. <p> Roger Corman used to spray paint egg cartons to use as ship bulkheads.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 11:15 p.m. CST

    I admit that I'll probably see it...

    by veebeeyes

    but I probably won't buy the DVD. If it sucks, then I can try to forget that I ever saw it. But that doesn't work if I own the DVD, which is constantly reminding me of it whenever I go looking through my DVD collection for a movie to watch.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Did any of you really expect this to be great?

    by Alkeoholic77

    Seriously... the first one was such a let down I don't know how people could really walk into the second one expecting anything good. That doesn't mean I am not going to see it... it means that I am going to sneak in a six pack when I do.

  • Dec. 24, 2007, 11:32 p.m. CST

    The truth about MICHAEL McWEENY is coming to AICN.

    by zaxx9

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Semi-Pro Red Band Trailer Online...

    by Cheif Brody

    http://www.semipromovie.com/ Beats talkin about this turd. Enjoy the foul mouthed Will Ferrell in yet another sports movie. Merry X-Mas!

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 12:28 a.m. CST

    I don't trust...

    by Sledge Hammer

    ...that Moriarty can accurately judge what makes a good or a bad script given the absolutely shitful scripts that he and his partner have written - all of which that I've read or that have been turned into shitty MOH episodes by the once-great John Carpenter have been utterly, utterly horrible, at least in my opinion anyhow. That's not to say I don't enjoy Moriarty's op-ed pieces or his actual movie reviews, or that he doesn't deserve his success (whether I like his stuff or not), just that his opinions on scripts I don't trust as far as I can throw them personally because what he thinks is good scripting and what I think obviously don't line up. That's just me though. As for AvP:R, don't know what the film will be like, my hopes aren't high but I'll make up my own mind when I check it out, as always. Merry X-mas everyone.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 12:42 a.m. CST

    typical

    by slkboxrman

    im not surprised at the reviews here on AICN , its a typical AICN review "all the good stuff is in the trailer" ...blah blah blah "the dialogue wasnt good" blah blah.."raped my predator and alien memories" blag blah blah "i wanted super exposition on how everything happened" blah blah blah "i didnt care about the characters" and it goes on and on and on....ill wait to see it and then pass judgement, and for the record the first AVP was quite enjoyable...it captured the alien and predator spirit quite well....it introduced welan from welan yutani, the company that ripley works for in the future, and the situation explained how they knew about the aliens and their potential as a weapon...the aliens crawling on the ceiling and lurking in the shadows and thru small spaces was also very reminiscent of alien and aliens...the predator spirit i thought was caught just in how the predator realized that he and the girl were fighting a common enemy and also how the predator chief gave her the fallen predators lance as a trophy, just like danny glover got the old musket at the end of predator 2...so im not too woried about this on, ill just wait to go see it. end of story

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 12:47 a.m. CST

    sounds like another bughunt

    by FalconJones

    i'm with LaserPants. Alien and Aliens are greatness. everything after that gets nuked from orbit. fuckin' a.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 12:55 a.m. CST

    The movie opens tomorrow...

    by veebeeyes

    and how many reviews have we seen? Yeah, the movie is shit. If every script review, trailer, and press update on the movie indicated that the movie is probably shit, the lack of reviews the day before release says, "yeah, it's shit." I trust every review I've read that says that this movie is shit, because prett much EVERYTHING I've read about this movie up to this point has led me to believe that it's gonna be shit. And when even Fox thinks they need to release this movie on Christmas without any reviews in order to get as much quick revenue out of it before people realize that it's shit, that cements it for me.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 12:57 a.m. CST

    Fuck, I'll do a fucking outline of what AVP 3 should be...

    by Han Cholo

    Very simple plot: <p> Some planet ,other than Earth, being colonized by humans is attacked by Aliens that have settled on the planet long before. The planet is alien, unlike anything seen before in a film with alien landscapes and whatnot, but it is a planet with humid conditions, which attract Predators, who hunt the Aliens and have also attacked the settlers. <p> At this point you get the action hero of the moment (The Rock or god knows who else), with the crack team of military acrhtypes: The tough guy, the smart ass, the silent one, the funny guy, the one named Priest or Jericho, the tough chick who has a crush on the hero but always has her guard up, Big Gun guy, or the one who speaks in scripture, martial arts expert, take your pick, it's all pretty much been done. So we get some good character development so we actually get to care about these guys, yes character development people!!! <p> So anyway, they land on the planet, kill off a few Aliens here and there until one of the team is killed brutally by a Predator. The team, knowing about Predators, as the human race has encountered them numerous times, came prepared with Infra-red equipment as well as them-optic technology so they can play the Predator's game as well, some exposition follows. They take out some more Aliens, and a Predator or two. All of a sudden the conditions on the planet change, like an EMP field or something that disables their equipment so thermoptics don't work for Preds or humans anymore and everyone is fair game. A few more team members are righteously killed before we find out why the equipment doesn't work to up the stakes ( I say we get rid of Priest/Jericho or Smart Ass at this point). We then find out the planet itself is unstable and is gonna blow up like Genesis in Star Trek. FUCK NO!!! <p> So basically the humans have to find a way off the planet because the EMP field killed all radio contact to the drop ship, so at this point headquarters assumes they all died and call the mission a failure. So our heroes are left with one option, find a ship to get off the planet only, you guessed it, the only working hangar deck with any ships intact is a long trek away and will leave only a bit of time for the team to get off planet before it goes Nova. So we get to see the team travel across alien landscape, are attacked by aliens. The last Predator is wondering what the fuck is going on at this point so he follows the team, making sure not to be seen, so he hides behind rocks and other shit. He doesn't want to kill anymore humans before he finds out what's going on so he actually saves one from near death at one point but manages to get away before being taken out by the humans who are using hard ammo, by the way (Lasers and shit don't work, except the Predator managed to repair his shoulder cannon, cuz it's badass and wouldn't be a Predator without it). So anyway, the team manages to get to the settlement where the ship is waiting, at this point only a few teammembers are left and are low on ammo. All of a sudden when turning a corner, we come across a few survivors. We learn that they found out that The military had settled the planet without really looking at the conditions and just wanted to capitalize on the building contracts and anyone who lived there were screwed. They would have left the planet but they couldn't pilot a ship. Luckily, tough chick has pilot experience. <p> So anyway they get to the landing bay, but there are aliens guarding the bay, eggs, queen alien, all kinds of bad shit. They devise a plan to get in but Aliens are all over the place. Predator finally figures out their plan and he needs the ship as well so he manages to fuck up the Aliens with his shoulder cannon and his spear and all his other tricks that still work, but he knows that the humans will stand in his way as well. The humans, seeing their opportunity rush to the ship. Predator takes out one of the survivors with his shoulder cannon to say 'Fuck you, you're not going anywhere' to the humans. Realizing that they're trapped between Predator, main hero character hs to go one on one, hand to hand with the Predator. Tough chick gives our hero a good makeout kiss for luck and says something tough chick-like and main hero character goes to fight Predator. The scene is kick ass with human hero and Predator going at it with weapons. This gives an opportunity for tough chick, what's left of the team, and survivors to get aboard and power up the ship. human hero gains the upper hand and mortally wounds Predator. Only now Aliens are starting to crowd into the hangar bay, surrounding it. <p> Predator does his mini-nuke suicide thing which allows the humans to escape and thus kills off the remaining aliens. Only now, they don't know if they can get far enough away from the planet before it blows up. So we see the countdown to zero, planet blows up real good, the shockwave follows the ships dangerously close but our heroes barely escape, whew!!! <p> They radio the mothership to pick them up. Once on the ship, main hero character goes to the man in charge of the mission, Rambo style, and proceeds to kick his ass. We then see him join tough chick and they make out, The End.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 12:59 a.m. CST

    Fuck, I think my outline could be.........

    by Han Cholo

    The best AVP, Aliens, or Predator yet. I should be getting paid for this shit.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 1:06 a.m. CST

    Mori, you hate projects that YOU wish you could have written

    by Mike_D

    admit it! admit it!

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 1:35 a.m. CST

    Tomorrow is today on this side of the planet..AVPR in Australia

    by quantize

    ...yeh it sucked. But let's stop fucking blaming the filmakers and people in the trenches at the creative end. This has Fox suits and their limp retarded cocks all over it, just like the last one. The Predalien is vaguely cool and the brothers Strause def try to treat the monsters the way they worked best in the originial films. But all the wooden acting and the vacuum of a script couldn't save it. The word franchise should be excised from the english language - it's a plague that has spread a vile and soulless evil seed throughout entertainment and continues to make money but totally dogshit films. Time to use the other concept of : make good films, take bigger risks : thus more potential for bigger money. Anyhow, the music sucked enormous cock as well.Check out the composers' MySpace. Everything you need to know about the kind of ghoulsih cyborgs infesting the industry.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 1:49 a.m. CST

    Han Cholo... Then why aren't you?

    by Bass Bastardson

    Oh, because you write unreadable crap? I get it now. You were making a joke!

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 1:52 a.m. CST

    Han...

    by Bass Bastardson

    I'm sorry. That was totally mean and rude of me. I should be nicer - especially on Christmas.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 1:53 a.m. CST

    Total Fucking Destruction

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Thanks for the laughs. Your posts are more entertaining than the actual film we're talking about. I use the term 'film' in the loosest sense possible of course. Anybody who still hates Alien 3 should rewatch it in the light of the two AVP movies. It looks like a goddamn masterpiece these days.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 1:54 a.m. CST

    I knew it!!

    by Toulon

    Hehehe, somehow I KNEW my saying "AVP was watchable" would get some hate . . . oh well. I stand by that though: the first one was NOT a good movie, and it fell WELL short of expectations/hopes/dreams of any fan of the originals . . . but, ya know, it HAD an Alien and a Predator in the same movie . . . and the queen at the end was pretty cool, I gotta say.<p>Plus, Lance Henricksen was in it . . . that instantly helps a LITTLE, doesn't it?<p>Space Disc Jockey, if I had any incorrect info there, I don't know what it is . . . sorry if there was any . . . could you point out what I got wrong?

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 1:56 a.m. CST

    Also . . .

    by Toulon

    Happy Holidays and Merry X-Mas (Futurama style) to everyone that sees this . . . don't care who you are or what religion you do or don't follow, Linus got it right: Good will towards you all!!

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 2:34 a.m. CST

    Why, oh why can't they just make an Alien Loves Predator movie i

    by Iblis_mage

    I'd pay to see it, and you know you would too: http://www.alienlovespredator.com/

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 2:50 a.m. CST

    What, all you fucktards didn't know this was going to suck?

    by Sappers Forward

    Fucking retards.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 2:54 a.m. CST

    What a surprise....

    by photoboy

    ... not. Fox need to fucking pay some decent money and get Cameron or Ridley to do a proper Alien film and then pay McT to do a proper Predator sequel. All these fucking music video directors that think they can make action movies (like Bay) need to fuck off so we can have some proper directors making these films.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 3:08 a.m. CST

    The original AVP wasn't a great, or even a good film ...

    by Corwin_X2

    But, if you leave your hopes and expectations at the door, it's clear that they really were *trying* to make a movie that properly respected the two franchises. And IMHO the ending (pre-predator-ship-chestburster) goes a long way to making up for its earlier deficiencies - riffing off the end of Predator 2 but way cooler. Did they succeed in what they were trying to do? No. But at least they tried. This latest piece of excrement? I've just watched all the interviews with Ridley Scott on the Blade Runner final cut set. Like me, he's from the north of England - and we don't tend to mince words. I'd pay good money to get his take on this abortion.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 4:23 a.m. CST

    Sappers...

    by quantize

    I haven't read a single expectation that it wasn't going to suck.. Lookin the mirror next time you need to call someone a fucktard wanker.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 4:26 a.m. CST

    I'm back from the Midnight show and...

    by bentoboxx

    That was probably the WORST movie I've seen all year and maybe one of the top 5 worst I have ever seen! It should not even be called Alien vs Predator, The predator is in so few scenes it should be called Aliens vs Douchebags! The human characters are such morons you root for all of them to die, and the script! The script is like really BAD fanfic you read online except the writer knows NOTHING about either the Alien or the predator! The plot has more holes in it than swiss cheese......I give this dog the biggest, loudest, most apathetic MEH yet!

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 4:39 a.m. CST

    "The government wouldn't lie to us"...

    by couP

    Just saw it now in Aus, and yes, that was the kind of dialogue the movie was filled with, but who gives a shit, this is like everyone watching Transformers for the giant fkn robots. This is relatively giant predators and aliens killing each other. I don't know what all the whinging was about. From the first movie and the trailer, all I could hope for was some awesome violence and Predators kickin' ass and using its full arsenal; movie = success.<br /><br /> A million times better than the first movie, and that double headshot by the pred was awesomeness.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 5:32 a.m. CST

    Moriarty, please repost your script review...

    by AllanUSC

    Moriarty, I vaugely remember reading your script review when it was initially posted. I know that you have since removed it. PLEASE repost it now so that we can see how much Fox actually changed since then. It sure sounds like they stuck to the original script that you reviewed.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 6:22 a.m. CST

    This might be too obvious but...

    by mehymeh

    why didn't the cunts making these two attrocities use the stories from the avsp comics instead. 100% better story, action and characterisation than either of the movies which were shat out of fox's supurating, diseased ass. i am GLAD I DOWNLOADED THESE! I am not so glad I bothered to watch them though.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 6:26 a.m. CST

    Hope it sucks

    by EliteStance

    Because I'd quite like to watch another Alien movie, and indeed another Predator movie - but not at the same time. This gimmic stinks and Fox needs to let it go.

  • Yawn. It would be nice to not see the whole raped etc babies etc raped etc childhood thing dragged out yet again. Thw whole of the English language at your disposal and you come up with that. Sigh. I'd love to see the script that Toulon wrote though, which is obviously in a league of it's own. Can you let us have a copy ASAP please matey?

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 6:50 a.m. CST

    My hopes and dreams are shattered

    by justcheckin

    Well, that sucks... I thought the first AvP was ass like. I had hoped and dreamed that this one would live up to the name that the originals intended. My dreams have been squashed. I just can't go on living anymore... *weeps* It needs to be an "off world" SPACE MOVIE! If the people aren't important then why can't the script reflect a single fight between the two life forms so we can actually pick a side to be on. Correct me if I am wrong but it seems like the Aliens were infecting other life forms way before the humans came along in Alien. I dunno, just a thought. Oh, and by the way... I would so want the Aliens to beat the hell out of the Predators. "Infecting the Universe, one species at a time..." That is my line, you can use it. :)

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 6:52 a.m. CST

    sounds like the retards that

    by palewook

    watch reality programming will line up like automatons to pay for this pos.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 6:55 a.m. CST

    My hopes and dreams are shattered 2

    by justcheckin

    Oh, and I'll be seeing SWEENY TODD!

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 7:05 a.m. CST

    Baby Stomping Bad

    by johnnyangelheart

    Can't get any worse than that.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 7:59 a.m. CST

    BAH HUMBUG

    by Yeti

    I'll still see this (note to self park brain at door of movie theatre) but hate meself for doing so the next morning. Ah, well.....

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 8:23 a.m. CST

    wHY?

    by MRX67

    go see a shitty movie when you know it's shitty. Wait for it on DVD when you don't have nothing else to do and feel like wasting a few bucks. It'll at least be worth a few laughs.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 8:41 a.m. CST

    Stupid Monkeys.

    by Zerofun

    It's funny that most of you posers havent seen the movie and are just commenting on a review. It can not be worse than the first one..unless it was animated and on sunday mornings.. It will be an improvment .. lets just wait and see tomorrow.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 9:13 a.m. CST

    AVP 3: RISE OF THE YOUNGLINGS

    by BringingSexyBack

    I'd like to see a Predalienling.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Merry Christmas or (whatever) AICN, talkbackers, and that one sp

    by Shermdawg

    I'm heading to AV-R in a few hours myself. And honestly, I've come to realization this series is fucked. It was fucked long ago. I'm purely going to watch it to see some xenomorphs do some cool shit, and that's it. It's not like Fox and Rothman would get their asses in gear if we boycotted this. Just go, check your mind at the door, and accept that without the Alien lore (i.e. Ripley), without a decent director, seting it in present day, and insisting on the Predators inclusion......this is all we are ever gonna get. <br><br> Also this nonsense regarding making a non-human AVP flick. It'll NEVER happen. (Unless it's CG, and straight to dvd.) The budget would be ginormous, and without a human story, no matter how lame it may be, the suits would fear the general public wouldn't connet, or bother going to see it. And frankly, two hours of straight up gore and screeching woud suck. Suck worse than what we're getting. If ya want a videogame....go play a videogame.<br><br> Hopefully Fox will ice this property after a third chapter and either reboot Alien later on......or pull a Singer and remake Alien 3, using elements from the stories they were planning (the cult, the space mall), as well as the many ideas we fans have been asking about for years.... <br><br> Like the Space Jockey.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 9:25 a.m. CST

    "and that one spammer"

    by Shermdawg

    That's what got cut off of my title. <br><br> Mori, could you guys please give us a counter of somekind to avoid this problem? Or a "check your post" message or something?

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 9:32 a.m. CST

    AVP AOK for LCD

    by LaserPants

    Translation -- the common retards, the zombie consumers, the unwashed millions who voted for Bush not once, but twice will love it. Everyone else? The people with functioning brains? Not so much.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 10:22 a.m. CST

    What does anybody else think that these "reviews"...

    by qweruiop

    are fake, and that their info was taken from that 5 minute preview on Yahoo. I mean these reviews offered nothing that was outside of the preview and the red-band trailer, with the occasional very vague references to actions and kills to make them seem legit. Who knows, the movie may well be legitimately bad but I don't think these reviews were real.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 10:28 a.m. CST

    thanks but no thanks

    by nogimmick

    fox burned me on the first one, i learned my lesson then. i MIGHT watch this when it's on cable, but as far as sticking 8 bucks in their pocket...i don't think so.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Stop giving FOX a hard time!

    by standundermyumbrella

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 10:29 a.m. CST

    You don't have to write much to say it all.

    by JDanielP

    I didn't even bother to read the reviews. This thing is dead in the water. And that's REALLY sad...because, the way I see it, these "properties" should be incredibly valuable. Instead, it's becoming worthless material. So very sad. NOTE: Talent gets you everything... and anything else... gets you something else entirely.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Stop giving FOX a hard time!

    by standundermyumbrella

    They can still greenlight a good movie! Two years from now everybody will be creaming their pants when AVATAR hit theaters!

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Avatar alone will not save face for Fox.

    by Shermdawg

    'Specially with what went down with X3.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Arnold needs to make a comeback as Dutch,

    by OgreYouAsshole

    join an alliance with Sigourney Weaver as Ripley, and, in a film directed by James Cameron, take a kick-ass space shuttle to a planet run by Predators and Aliens, who have now become neighborly and share tea and crumpets together in their cocoon-like condos.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Ha Ha another MTV-CW-Xgames- teen scewing

    by picardsucks

    Abercrombie-Politically Unoffesive-Bland-product placementy cast action film complete with a demographically created (hip Hop Alien???) bites the dust. This generation of action films and it's sexually ambiguous, High School the Musical action stars really suck. I'll bet the cast includes a wisecracking yet brainy urban guy and the toughest character in the film is prob a 20 yr old. maxim chick who wears a low cut army tank top with no bra underneath. I'll bet they have a scene where she beats up some big jock type guy to show her toughness. At least Rambos coming to show these homos how to really create some mayhem and hopefully Mel will get back behind and or in front of the camera. Cheer up high school the musical Abercrombie Justice League is coming!!!!

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Yes, the cast is MTV......

    by bentoboxx

    ...But thats where it ends picardsucks! I wish it had the characters you said, but NO! The heroes include a pizza delivery guy,a mom (Granted an Iraq war vet, but still a mom who has to drag her kid around the whole movie), The snooty high school girl who fights Aliens in a tank top and short skirt, an inept sheriff, and the worlds nicest Ex-Con ever! If your going to have an Ex-Con in an alien movie, why make him the level headed nice guy????? And for everyone who doesn't want to believe the reviewers saw this POS...they were being nice! How they found anything good about this movie is amazing to me!

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Quantize you fat fuck

    by Sappers Forward

    Don't make me fuck your mother,..again. You can call me daddy.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 1:48 p.m. CST

    if you really think about it

    by ClockWorker

    setting an AVP movie in the present day contradicts ALIEN. There would have been some record of what the alien is if it had attacked earth hundreds of years prior. Not to mention that setting an AVP on earth condradicts the main theme of every alien film. That theme being that if the aliens ever reached earth it would be the end of the world, because the bottom line is that the alien cannot be controlled so it would dominate the planet. I didnt read han cholo's whole premise but it started off pretty good

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 2:47 p.m. CST

    It's called ALIEN VS PREDATOR: REQUIEM

    by Dr. Egon Spengler

    Of course it's going to be a shitty movie!! How can people not figure that out after watching the trailer and saying that movie title out loud?

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 2:52 p.m. CST

    This sounds like...

    by poeticwarriorII

    it's in a race with I Am Legend to see which one is going to have the shittiest most overpriced and overused CGI elements for the year. IAL is going to be awfully hard to beat though. Now THAT movie was a train wreck like shit fest. How IAL has made as much money as it has is beyond me. It's just proof that the American public is comprised of easily fooled dip shits.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Sappers

    by quantize

    mum said she couldn't feel your pin dick anyway.Your wit puts you at the mental age of 5 hey this will make you feel better YOU WIN little man..merry xmas loser.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Not necessarily a contradiction

    by Shan

    In Alien, there are mentions of the secret company orders on the main computer which led to the Nostromo being diverted to the world where the alien eggs were stored (on the ship with the distress beacon) with the express purpose of picking it up - crew expendable. Maybe the company (or its predecessor) had first learned of the alien's existence during the present day incident. The reason the world didn't end with it being overrun by aliens is because the entire affected area was destroyed with a very large nuke and blamed on terrorists or something (I don't know if a nuke is used - not seen AvP 2 just guessing; though the trailer hints at something along those lines possibly happening). And yes, I feel slightly dirty even trying to connect the brilliance that was Alien to what's now left of the franchise and these AvP films.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 4:16 p.m. CST

    So much for getting my hopes up...

    by emp

    These were the reviews I were hoping I would not see. Boring reviews of a crappy movie.<br><br> Why couldn't these Grimm brothers make Hellboy 2 and Del Toro make this movie instead? Source material should be granted to directors through a voting system by registered and verified users of sites like this.<br><br> I want to see "The spilling of mayo on Sylvester Stallone by the coward Richard Gere".

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Alien vs Predator: Requim

    by LordPramius

    I was really hoping for my holiday to be topped off with a great movie. It didnt happen. This movie called AVPR is a joke. Firstly, it has absolutely no direction or sense of sound, logically understandable COMMON sense. In AVP, we see a LARGE ship FULL of predators leave earth. Then we see an alienpred burst out of the chest of the hero predator. In AVPR the alienpred grew to full size in a matter of seconds. Then we see this little ship crash that seemed to be the size of what could be considered a probe. Umm I cant see a bunch of predators fitting into that one. THen there was no storyline as to what happened to all of the predators including the one with the cape that gave the predator chick (Saana Lathum) the spear. You got teenage hormones, dumb cops with no common sense, pregnant women infested by alienpred with no explanation as to how the alienpred got the embryos to begin with. Children getting killed with no rhym or reason. The little skinny predator in this one could have used a few Outback steaks to build his testosterone and get more pounds on. A membership at Gold's gym would not have hurt either. The script was as basic as the one I read in 6th grade for my Christmas play. There was absolutley no direction to this film. I am still confused as to why only ONE predator was sent to deal with what could have been an epidemic of xenomorphs on earth. Yeah, I get the whole elite predator bit. Still, even in the first AVP 3 predators were sent. This is a B movie at best. Oh, I also have a problem with predator taking his shoulder cannons off to make a shotgun type cannon to be held in hand. We all had come to learn the potency of the cannon were adjusted by the power backpack predators wear. Again, no COMMON sense in this movie at all. I enjoyed the first AVP MUCH MUCH better. This one should go directly to DVD.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Give Toulon a job!

    by Samuel Steamer

    One of the better reviews as of late.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Just Got Back...my MIND WAS BLOWN...

    by Brians Life

    ...I mean, I knew it was gonna be BAD...but this was REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY bad. They should've called the movie "THE NIGHT ALOT OF PEOPLE DID THINGS THAT DON'T MAKE SENSE". <br> <br> Was I surprised? No. The first one sucked, but I DID have hope that they'd learned from their mistakes and that this movie was gonna be a balls to the wall Alien Vs. Predator that, even if dumb, would still be cool and I wouldn't be ashamed to tell my mother I saw....it wasn't. IT WAS WORSE!!! <br> <br> There was no establishment of threat. It looked like it was shot on low quality DV, I mean I can't believe it took TWO guys to direct this thing. It's like a hundred aliens versus ONE Predator...oh,the absolute best line in the film is when the Sheriff says "I hope we're BOTH wrong." I'll write more when I get back from PERSEPOLIS at 5...PEACE.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 4:49 p.m. CST

    JUST A FEW THINGS STICKIN' IN MY CRAW...

    by Brians Life

    The fuckin' Predator was very non-threatening...while they did away with the "workin' with you ole humans" mentality...the more we see him move around the more I'm like "Oh, he's just this dude...he's cool." and the less I am afraid of him. These fucking Strauss brothers should NEVER direct anything again...Salerno should not be alound near anything with Alphabet keys....or fuck even numeric in case he knows binary code....AHHHH...this COULD have been good. DAMMIT!!! I feel like I've been saying htat ALOT in 2007. THIS COULD HAVE BEEN GOOD!!!!

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 5:11 p.m. CST

    You fucking haters are retarded

    by Hugh G Rekshun

    That movie was fucking great! Buncha jackasses...

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 5:20 p.m. CST

    DUDE...Moratorium on "HATERS"...

    by Brians Life

    Hating a BAAAAAD movie does not make one a "hater". Haters simply hate on no basis at all...and believe me this site IS full of them. BUT there are those instances in which the movie people are saying SUCKS...IT ACTUALLY SUCKS! Look, some people dig this shit...I get that. There are those that are rabid about DTV flicks...never got it...just not my thing. It's cool if you like Alien VS. Predator just don't yell "haters" just 'cause some one doesn't see what you want them to. Get past it.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 5:35 p.m. CST

    I can't shut up...spoilers be here....AAARG!

    by Brians Life

    Skippin Persepolis for a XMas Party...wanted to comment on "the Action" in AVPR (as the opening titles call it) before I'm too high. There are very few moments that I would say the action was really spectacular. For the most part it's just there and it's BADLY shot and quickly edited. Most of the kills are really repetitive....quick off camera poke through the skull by the mouth tongue thing. The sequence where the National Guard shows up is laughable...THERE'S SO MUCH of the Aliens SNEEEEEEKIN' into places. Whisper quiet grabbing soldiers or sneeking unseen into the hospitals maternity ward...garbage. The best action...hmmm...the blonde chick getting impaled was cool. But it's also all telegraphed....the dude who yells "fuck this!" and runs...YEAH, he DIES. The chick who yells "Fuck this!" and runs...yeah, she dies. Random I know, but it's Christmas...Peace.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Whatever, Theater...I mean Drama.

    by Brians Life

    I'm 27 years old and live with my girlfriend of 3 1/2 years in Los Angeles. I even have my own keys and credit cards. The immaturity you're reading is, proudly, MY own though...thank you. Byproducts of a life a comic reading, movie watching, toy collecting and increased by a move to Los Angeles, where no one really NEEDS to be grown up. There's my life thus far....yours?

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 6:13 p.m. CST

    ”Philbrick! Get in here!”

    by DocPazuzu

    “What is it, chief?” <p> “Have you seen the latest stuff by those talking back fellas?” <p> “Um, no sir.” <p> “I think our plan to beat them at their own game is working!” <p> “What do you mean, sir?” <p> “Well, look at this one guy on our payroll – Gil Brooks. He knows how to talk to those guys! See how he showed that backtalker Dr. Plezaroo a thing or two? Boy howdy he sure exposed him for the tasteless loser he really is! I’m guessing our AvPR movie cost a lot more than this… this…. what was it? Oh yeah, Space Leprechauns. And this doctor guy just walked right into that trap! "You fail Debate 101!" Hahahaha, talk to the hand, Dr. Plooziro! This Gil Brooks guy is dynamite!” <p> “Er, right sir.”

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Why can't we all just get along?

    by emp

    I mean predators and aliens and dramatical and brians life. I think the world needs more Ron "whalecrab" Paul.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Loved it!!!

    by Dkev00

    Just got back from seeing it. And it was awsome. First, this is not AVP, this is Predator kicking the shit out of everyone. I defiantly felt like I was watching a predator movie. For those who didn't like it, well maybe Alvin and the Chipmonks is better suited for you.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Isn't "dkevo" Bulgarian for PLANT?

    by emp

    If someone is going to convince me this movie is worth paying to see, they better give me some pretty convincing arguments, not "And it was awsome". And isn't "First," usually followed with "Second," etc.?

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 7:04 p.m. CST

    AVP-R...

    by TheIronGiant

    ...blew. Why is it so hard to get these movies right?

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 7:04 p.m. CST

    Hey...

    by MRX67

    If you guys, those who actually went to see this piece of shit, want to throw away your money like that send it to me instead. In return I'll send you a blow up doll because you really don't have a life.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 7:12 p.m. CST

    And on this front....

    by MRX67

    saw the promo for Cloverdud a few minutes ago. Isn't CBS SPECIAL.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 7:38 p.m. CST

    I DIDN'T pay to see this turdfest...

    by bentoboxx

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 7:41 p.m. CST

    I DIDN'T pay to see this turdfest...

    by bentoboxx

    ...and still wanted my money back...and to all of you douchebags who sit there and comment on everyone who went to this crap they call a movie having no life...at least they went out of their house and saw something instead of sitting in their moms basement in their underwear during christmas eating HoHos and commenting on webpage comments all day.....losers

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 7:59 p.m. CST

    The Company didn't know about the Alien.

    by veebeeyes

    Yes, in Alien, the company wanted the Alien. Some people take it so far as to say that the company knew what the Alien was before the Nostromo ever intercepted the signal. This is incorrect. There was no way for the company to know about what the crew of the Nostromo would find, or even that they found anything at all. Firstly, the Nostromo was cut off from the company. LV-426 is almost certainly far enough away from earth that radio communication with the company would have been impossible within the time frame of the movie. This is why Mother was on the ship, making decisions in the company's best interests without the Company having any direct involvement. Secondly and more importantly, it was a radio transmission that led to the discovery of the Alien. Since Aliens do not use radio transmissions, by no stretch of the imagination could the presence of such a transmission be used as evidence that the Company knew about the Alien.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 7:59 p.m. CST

    I DIDN'T pay to see this turdfest...

    by Alonzo Mosely

    and I want bentoboxx's money back...

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Ugh. Bring back Anderson.

    by Shermdawg

    This film could have been mediocre, even decent, but a few key things qualifies it as a stinker. <br><br> ***SPOILERS*** <br><br> I don't have a problem with the Pred-alien's superspeed growth. We aren't certain what the Predator's course is. They might've been circling the planet to avoid detection, they might've even stopped for a time......we don't know. Yes, they should have intercut it with some of the setup for the townsfolk, but it was nowhere near as bad as the fast gestation period in the first AVP. <br><br> As far as the humans, the initial setup wasn't bad. I would have nixed the Dallas character though, not just for continuity problems, but scrapping him would've left room to beef up Reiko's war vet, and the sheriff's angles. btw, I wish they woulda went with someone like Michael Rooker or Michael Ironside for the sheriff. You need someone with a strong presence for the sherif role in a movie like this, but here John Ortiz just looked bored. Big time. <br><br> Too many characters, too short of a running time. Wait...I take that back. As much as I hate to say this, but at least Paul W.S. Anderson gave enough screentime to Sanaa Lathan, and Lance Henrickson to flesh out their roles in roughly the same length. <br><br> Also something Paul did was give the xenomorphs time to shine in the first one. Here? Nothing. <br><br>NOTHING. <br><br> Just Alien Warriors running around. That's it. And because of that, I couldn't check my brain at the door and "watch it just to see some xenomorphs do some cool shit"......because there was NO cool shit to be seen. <br><br> Yes, there's the fucking pointless implantation of the pregnant chick, but other than that, most of the "cool" shots are Predator moments. (the simultaneous headshots and the laser web.) I liked him playing detective, but dammit they went overboard with the blue acid. (He couldn't possibly think he could keep that shit contained by melting everything.) <br><br> The three major flaws with the flick is...1.The Brothers Strause didn't learn anything from Batman Begins and the first AVP....extreme closeup fights suck ass. <br><br> 2.The was no overhead shot showing the xenomorphs wreaking havoc on the town. How expensive could a Zak Snyder-ish Dawn of the Dead shot be? When the National Guard shows up you see fires, flipped over cars, bodies......you see TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION. But without a money shot....*sigh* <br><br> 3.And the biggest flaw is the treatment of the Predalien. He barely does anything. There's the egglaying bit, and the ultra-lame fight at the end, but that's about it. Christ....Ripley's retarded pumpkinhead baby was given more to do than this guy. You would think that they'd at least make him out to be at least as half a badass of a queen, but nope. <br><br> And that final "battle" between the Lone Wolf and the Predalien? My god it was piss poor. <br><br> Honest to god guys, AVP1 is a fucking masterpiece compared to this shit. Reqium started out good, but once the lights go out on Goregia, it just fails in every possible way. <br><br> A monster flick that doesn't know what to do with it's monster is a monster flick that shouldn't exist. <br><br> Hopefully Fox will try a bit harder for part three which appears to be focused on the creation of the Colonial Marines......but after this one, I don't have my hopes up. <br><br> I will say though, my movie watching experience wasn't a total failure today. I finally checked out Crank (got it for my dad for Christmas). heh, Imagine someone like Brian Taylor and Mark Neveldine helming AVP3. ;)

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 8:29 p.m. CST

    veebeeyes et al

    by Shan

    In Alien, Mother had some secret order 719, 739 or some three digit number and Ash was onboard as a late replacement for the Nostromo's regular (and luckiest man alive award) science officer. I don't take that to mean for sure that the Company knew about the alien per se but it seems likely they knew *something* was out there of value to the company and programmed Mother and sent Ash for that reason. So, with the increasingly tortured timeline they are creating her, a rationalisation *could* be any of the following: 1) the survivor of AvP was picked up by Weyland company people and she told them what happened and they had information on file. Hundreds of years later around the time of Alien ... 2) AvP 2: All traces of the aliens are destroyed (I guess) and information gets to Weyland or Weyland-Yutani about it and hundreds of years later at the time of Alien ... 3) No-one has knowledge about the incidents with the alien in our present day with/without the exception of the government but Weyland/Weyland-Yutani discovers the signal somehow and decides to send the Nostromo as it's a) going to be nearby and b) expendable d) some other theory. You could tie everything together into one continuity if you wanted (is basically all my point is) but I'd rather not, especially given the sharp drop off in quality since the earlier films.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Also...

    by Shermdawg

    I usually don't get retards in my theaters, but... <br><br> When it's apparent that the town is gonna get nuked, I guess the guy behind me didn't catch on. <br><br> A bit later when the fighter is en route he yells... <br><br> "I BET THEY'RE GONNA NUKE 'EM." <br><br> "WATCH, I'M TELLIN' YA, THEY'RE GONNA NUKE 'EM!" <br><br> When the fighter shows up... <br><br> "THEY'RE GONNA NUKE 'EM!" <br><br> No shit. No fucking shit they're gonna nuke 'em.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 8:56 p.m. CST

    What movie did Toulon watch?

    by mrdinky

    This movie was miles better than A4 and AvP. MILES. Half the movie is literally Predator versus Aliens. The name of the movie is Aliens vs. Predator, not Predalien vs. Predator. The whole predalien thing was a stupid remanant of a really stupid prior film. It was a boring crutch to replace having an alien queen. the speed of the alien "births" is also a retarded device from the previous film (apparently it's explained in the director's cut, but I'm not wasting my money to find out; if Delph is the navel of the world, Paul Anderson is its tit, and I'd rather lop it off than suckle; yes, major mixed metaphor!). <p> the "wooden dialogue" is a terrible cheap shot. there IS very little characterization of humans in the movie. the human cast IS loaded with nobodies. and I say THANK GOD! <p> I loved the fact that this movie was merciless. I've had nightmares about aliens since I first saw them (saw aliens before alien). THIS is the kind of shit I dreamed of. THAT's what these creatures are. The movie moves quickly, and it's brutal. rooting for the humans? wtf? don't you know anything about the movie you're watching? about the mythologies you're supposedly criticizing the movie for not being? GODDAMN, man! HUMANS ARE MEAT in AvP, and that's what we they are here. <p> look, this movie is FAR from perfect. the very fact that it's a sequel to that ridiculously bad first AvP movie fundamentally precludes the possibility. AvP needs to be set in the distant future and either in space or a colonized fecking planet! setting the damn thing on earth in 2004-8 monkey-wrenches things horribly. and don't even get me started on "bishop" in there to screw with the franchises. Requiem is a VAST improvement - VAST - over AvPyramdis.<p> aliens, btw, were kept largely in shadows where they largely belong else they look silly. dunno what the fool was complaining about there either. out in the open? look, there's one goddamn scene in ANY kind of daylight, and it's dusk then and they're just facehuggers. <p> if you liked 30 DAYS OF NIGHT, you'll prolly like this. They're more or less the same. 30 DAYS is slower and wallows back and forth between a survivor movie and a some kind of philosophical "edge of the earth" thing whereas AvP-R is purely survivor, but the basic plot moves are nearly identical. More action and less "hiding" in AvP-R.<p> oh, there are plenty of unexplained phenomena. I want to know why a Predalien is the product of an alien in a Predator, but other species don't alter the alien physioogy to that extent. does pred reproductive process occur orally? (would give spit or swallow a whole new significance). and what's with that "company" crap at the end and the lady who looks like the original heroine from the first AvP stories? why are the aliens loyal to the predalien? was it just his spawn? (did he kill the other aliens from the facehuggers?). which reminds me, another retarded comment from Toulon: you seriously don't know why Predators have face huggers on their ship? are you that daft? I thought you said something earlier about needing to know where these mythologies come from. Here, let me help you: Predators "breed" aliens so that they can hunt them for sport. That means they need the facehuggers so that they can let them lose in whatever controlled environment/hunting ground they choose.<p> last thought: this is a Predator movie (emphasis on the singular). It is a Predator movie. with aliens. bash the movie. hate it. but don't say blatantly wrong shit from left field. geez.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I'm not saying that it's a contradiction...

    by veebeeyes

    since you certainly CAN fit the events of the "AVP" movies in with Alien. I just think it's absolutely needless to do so, and doesn't explain the Company's interest in the Alien in the first movie. Ash states that company employees must investigate any sign of INTELLIGENT life under penalty of total forfeiture of shares. With the Aliens not being an "intelligent" species, this indicates that the company's protocol on alien life really has nothing to do with the Alien. Surely they wanted it once they found out about it, but their priority seemed to be on INTELLIGENT life, not something that fits the description of the Alien. Having said that, I'm sure they would have been interested in any commercially valuable life they came across. Of course, if the company was supposed to have known about the radio transmission, and if that is why they replaced the regular science officer with Ash, then that's a big flaw with Aliens. Aliens never should have even happened, as there have been people living on LV-426 "for over 20 years, and they never complained about any hostile organisms."

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 9:02 p.m. CST

    It can't be this hard...

    by sonnyfern

    It's Aliens Vs. Predator...is it really so difficult to do this right? The first comic book series from Dark Horse is perfect...just take that and adapt the damn thing! Aw well...sounds like they made a gory horror flick with pointless charaters and dumb moments. Maybe I can enjoy it on that level, if it's got enough gore it might pull me through but still, what wasted opportunity though.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 9:15 p.m. CST

    "the human cast IS loaded with nobodies"

    by Shermdawg

    Reiko Aylesworth, and Steven Pasquale aren't "nobodies". <br><br> And if you don't know who those two are, then you missed out on some of the best tv of the last five years.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 9:17 p.m. CST

    LV-426

    by Shan

    Well a *possible* explantion for that is whichever (unnamed) corporate executive who was responsible for the orders that led to the Nostromo ultimately being lost quietly shredded or hid the evidence - after all 20 million tonnes of something or other in cargo and an expensive ship was lost. Then the colony is founded (why there I'll never know) and much later on, one Carter Burke finds this hidden information and sends some people out to investigate the ship. Not quite sure why they never noticed the signal before though (was it still running then? I can't remember). Mind you, like you said; it's not worth worrying about and best left unsaid. All the pieces could be made to fit but you'd get one hell of an ugly looking jigsaw puzzle.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 9:18 p.m. CST

    BENTOBOXX...

    by MRX67

    'Bent' being the operative word here. Since u spoke up so quickly how about give me the address where I can send your doll. I accept only money orders

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Not as bad...

    by Mastastic

    ...as the second review would make one believe, but not that good either. It is definitely a Predator movie...title could have been "Predator Kicks Shit Out of Aliens, Occasionally Hampered By Predalien." Regarding the Asian lady at the end...I'll have to go back into one of the comics but I think she was in one, but rather she was a he. In the comics, if I'm correct, she is a Japanese tycoon who has lived for centuries by eating Predator organs, and has also developed their technology. Let me be the first to say, if that is the case...I won't be seeing the next movie. That shit was crazy enough in the comics and I don't care to see it on the big screen...

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 9:22 p.m. CST

    And...

    by MRX67

    another damn promo for Cloverdud while I enjoy Pirates of The Carribean.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 9:25 p.m. CST

    nobodies

    by mrdinky

    yeah yeah. I watch 24 (I hope you weren't referring to ER). didn't recognize the guy from RESCUE ME though. I would have thought it was obvious that the phrase implied that the cast was not made-up of an academy award contenders or broadway golden children. but there you have it. yes: nobodies doesn't mean they don't actually exist. lemme try THIS on you: NOBODY like Sigourney Weaver or Arnold bleepin' however you spell his last name, nor Sir Anthony Hopkins or Morgan Freeman, or even the usual sci-fi character guys (ironside, henrickson, that 70s guy, etc.). The younger brother looked familiar too; although I couldn't place him. still a "nobody" though. ;)

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Why MXR????

    by bentoboxx

    The seven dolls you have at home to many???? I'll pass, I don't wanna break up your Inflatable Harem!

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 9:32 p.m. CST

    LOL

    by MRX67

    Sometimes it amazes me when one of you geeks try to sound mainstream. Almost like you live a seperate life online. Ok 'Bent' so you went to see this shit and you still define it as shit. who shit, what shit, do you shit to see? Hey, Cloverdud is coming soon, another movie to fulfill yiour empty life.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Jeez...

    by MRX67

    We are going to be swamped with shitty ass movies this January. 'Missed Call' which didn't even get a thread on AICN (Thank you AICN). Guess I'll have to take my lady to a real movie next month.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 9:53 p.m. CST

    Wrong....

    by MRX67

    AVPR sucks and Cloverdud sucks. These are two movies with plotless, pointless mayhem other than to gore a viewer at a B-movie level. That's why J.J insisted he wanted to make a B-movie because he knows it is just that. I hate senseless movies.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Just Saw It

    by lecter1914

    The first hour was a travesty of film. It felt like an episode of Dawson's Creek. I was almost ready to walk out of the theatre and then out of nowhere the movie picked up and became a rollercoater ride. Not saying it was gret, but the last act definitely delivered on the action, gore, and excitement that the first one was missing. I wont call it a good movie but it kicked the shit out of the first one.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 10:07 p.m. CST

    THIS IS THE PROBLEM WITH THESE MOVIES

    by Epsilon

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 10:11 p.m. CST

    THIS IS THE PROBLEM WITH THESE MOVIES

    by Epsilon

    Alien and Predator are now being made as horror movies. They weren't horror movies before. Not the originals. They were cool scifi-thriller-horror movies. It's almost as if someone never saw the originals and just said, "Oh, big scary monsters that kill people. That's our franchise."

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 10:17 p.m. CST

    In this festive season of holiday talkbacking...

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    I would just like to say that I am bless-ed indeed to have TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION back in the hizzouse! Once in a while, you take a look at what means the most to you in your life, and Aliens and Predator are pretty much at the top of my list, above family, food, sex, and shelter. Then you see that Fox and Friends have totally fucking ruined things. Then you know it's time for one thing and one thing only, and that one thing is TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION. And once TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION totally fucking destroys all the lame-ass pitiful, bone-gnawingly irritating excuses that Fox & Friends have come up with to fuck up AvP, you feel just a little of that yule-tide glow return. Maybe if we talk a little slower now: Aliens. Okay, with me so far? Predator. Alright, Fox, you can handle that...now comes the hard part...In...wait for iiiiit...FUCKING SPACE YOU CLUELESS FUCKING ASSHATS! Hey Philbrick (oh, we know you're there, Philbrick, even if that's not your real name) why don't you make up a powerpoint with "Aliens, Predator, Space." written on each and every slide for seventy slides, and show it at the next meeting. You can even add sound clips and pictures of aliens, or predators, or space, just to help you stay on topic, get the message through. Anyway, in conclusion, FUCK THIS SCRIPT IN THE ASS ALL THE WAY TO HELL. Merry Christmas. Best wishes from your friend, 'Cholera's Ghost P.S. Leprechaun 4 Rules!

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 10:19 p.m. CST

    The first half was much better than the second half.

    by Shermdawg

    Once things started to "pick up" it just got dumber and dumber. At least everything before the pool attack was decently setup. And even the "Dawson Creek" elements weren't all that bad. God forbid there be teenagers in a fucking sci-fi movie. <br><br> AVP > AVP-R

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Is it just me or...

    by lecter1914

    were they throwing homages out left and right? The scene where Reiko takes teh tank was almost shot for shot the scene in Aliens where Ripley decides its time to get the hell out of there. Or when the Dallas or whatever the guys name is says QUICKLY GET TO THE CHOPPER!!! Was that intentional? >I hope so because it got a laugh out of me.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Uh

    by lecter1914

    I guess the Dawson's Creek scenes werent that bad...if I wanted to watch Dawson's Creek. Yeah, you can have teens in a sci-fi horror, but do they all have to be CW douchebags? I absolutely hated them all. And the dialogue they gave these people was absolutely cringeworthy. I think the entire theatre let out a collective grown the moment the lady who lost her husband and son walks into the bar and announces "THE POWER IS OUT!" No fucking duh. The beginning was plagued with that type of shit. But at least the action in the last half became engaging.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Slime

    by SlickyVonBoner

    Why do aliens get slimier every fucking movie. They're so fucking slimey they are gushing slime like a fucking slime fountain. What is the point of the slime from a biological standpoint? I don't remember much slime in Alien or Aliens, maybe a little drool. Seriously... stupid.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 10:37 p.m. CST

    Actually, Aliens did it first.

    by veebeeyes

    I love Aliens, but that was the first movie to turn the Aliens into cannon fodder. Especially in the director's cut. Man, those sentry robots fucked the Aliens up big-time. I also love how they used a few scenes of Aliens blowing up, and then recycled them throughout the movie as if no one would notice. Anyway, my point is that even though Aliens is quite possibly my favourite movie in the series, that's the movie that started the series off onto the ugly path it has since followed.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 10:41 p.m. CST

    Upclose Shaky Cam

    by SlickyVonBoner

    I am getting fucking sick of these movies with these upclose shots of the action constantly twitching or waving. Guess what? You can't see a fucking thing!! Whatever happened to the established shot. for 5 fucking seconds have one steady shot from afar to ground the action. Directors of today... note the genius of the action movies of the 80's where we can actually SEE what's going on. Shaky does not build suspense it creates confusion.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 10:41 p.m. CST

    re Philbrick Presents "Aliens. Predator. Space": A Lofty Prop

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    Philbrick, keep coming back to the "Space" part on the powerpoint. Get out your laser pointer and highlight it. Make it do a bunch of squiggles around it, until you get the glazed over eyes of your audience to notice the word. Keep doing this. Repetition is the key. Come back to it if there are any questions, clear up any confusions about it. "Space". Space goes with aliens and predator like Mr. Pibb with Red Vines, and sweet, sweet lovemaking.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 10:43 p.m. CST

    --osal.

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    Sometimes, you take a daring gamble on the length of your subject line. Sometimes, you lose.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Aliens

    by SlickyVonBoner

    is not a horror movie.. it is an action movie. Alien and Alien 3 are more horror flicks. In Aliens the marines are doing the hunting, though they do it poorly, but in the other 2 the heroes are being hunted. That I think is the big difference.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 10:54 p.m. CST

    re Alien Slime

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    Resurrection was really bad about this. I thought what is the point? Where is all that slime coming from anyway? Can a body possibly produce that much slime? Then I think about the copious amounts of mucous coming from my nose when I have a cold, gallons of the stuff appearing for days at a time as if by some kind of biological magic. I've come to the conclusion that there exist slime fairies, who can conjure slime ex nihilo from another dimension, and it doesn't seem so unrealistic.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Cholera

    by SlickyVonBoner

    LOL exactly, they would pass out from dehydation or something. Makes it hard to be stealthy when you drip on everything. How many scenes did someone get dripped-on before getting eaten. LOL funny shit.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 11:32 p.m. CST

    This was like a friday the 13th movie

    by WolfmanNards

    Where the monster kicks ass, and the characters are merely flesh bags filled with blood. In fact, you hate the characters and can't wait for them to die. Most of the ones that suck die. Well, they all suck, so pretty much a bunch of the characters died. Other than the shitty Human Characters, the movie rocked. The aliens and predator were awesome. It was like 2 different movies because every time there was alien action, it was FUCKING AMAZING, and every time a human was on screen, the movie fucking blew. So in that sense, I would compare this movie to Transformers. But at least in this movie you get a fuck of a lot more of the title characters, and they are done very well. Exceedingly well, I would say. The makeup effects were excellent. Very little use of CGI. Faithful portrayal of the aliens and predators. And anything new that was introduced worked. Lots of new predator weapons that are all kickass. I loved it. I loved this movie. Even though 40% of it outright sucked, I think it was amazing.

  • Dec. 25, 2007, 11:52 p.m. CST

    how did that guy do italic green text?

    by BadMrWonka

    and why did this film get made?

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 12:07 a.m. CST

    Avoid this like fucking plague

    by Musicballs

    I am a huge fan of Alien, Aliens and The first Predator. The above reviews do not do justice to how bad this piece of shit is. Border line unwatchable, and I wish someone had warned me.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 12:09 a.m. CST

    And Vern

    by Musicballs

    If you come on here telling people to cut the Aliens and Predators some slack because they have been in a few good movies, I will lose all respect for you.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 12:52 a.m. CST

    "How do you plan on getting out of town without guns?!"

    by George Newman

    that exchange when they enter the sporting goods store was maybe the funniest,worst line exchange in the film. <p>blond jock:"We need to get out of here!" <p>sheriff:""How do you plan on getting out of town without guns?!"

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Scumcock . . .

    by Toulon

    I would like to think everything I put up there was based on what I saw . . . what do you think I wrote it on? What did I miss? Cause all I saw was crap after crap.<p>Mrdinky, the problem I had with any of the 'action' parts was that it was done badly and with so little build that it had no impact for me . . . and, as someon mentioned, the Predator looked about 100 lbs too light to be scary/badass at all. Take Aliens, for example: that film is FILLED with action, but if you watch it again, there's tension and buildup for every scene . . . from the life-form radar to Ripley inching her way into the Queen's lair, and of course, Vasquez stopping in the vent . . . it was great! Everything in this was just flat and pointless . . . I just didn't care at all, and THAT made me even MORE angry at the rest of the crap I'd just had to sit through.

  • Here is an excerpt. Greg and Colin Strause, the directors, and Shane Salerno, the screenwriter, give the humans in the story much more attention than they received in the first film, which makes for a far more watchable movie. The story is fairly generic try-to-get-away stuff, but it’s decently rendered. There are a couple of classic horror-film bits in among the sci-fi. There is also a nice life-or-death choice for the survivors: go await a promised airlift, or go with the resourceful Ms. Aylesworth to look for a helicopter? Robert Joy is a perfect low-key villain in military guise.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 1:31 a.m. CST

    ALSO...YAHOO MOVIES AVG VIEWER SCORE IS B+

    by jg9817

    Since there has been so much negative posted, it's fair to point out that average viewers and the New York Times seem to really enjoy the film.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 1:36 a.m. CST

    NY TIMES: "a perfectly respectable next step in the series"

    by jg9817

    Here is the full review: December 26, 2007 FILM REVIEW Aliens and Predators Still Can’t Seem to Get Along By NEIL GENZLINGER The second “Aliens vs. Predator” film is, like its predecessor, one very dark movie. Not psychologically dark; dark dark, as in, not very generously lighted. The first film took place largely underground, in Antarctica. The new one, which opened Tuesday, first finds itself in the sewers of a Colorado town, where the title, um, characters are doing battle. And then, after the intergalactic struggle moves to the local power plant, the electricity for the whole region is knocked out. Bring your night-vision goggles to this one. You might wonder if the shadowiness is a subtle admission of shame: “We don’t want anyone looking too closely at this thing.” But “Requiem,” as the new film is subtitled, has nothing to be ashamed of. It may not be classic sci-fi like the original “Alien,” which it has in its DNA, but it’s a perfectly respectable next step in the series. Reiko Aylesworth from “24” and Steven Pasquale from “Rescue Me” provide some acting cred as two residents of a small town in which a spaceship crash-lands. The film doesn’t seem interested in drawing any new fans to the series, because it doesn’t bother to provide any back story, but here’s the gist of it: The predators from the “Predator” films hunt the aliens of the “Alien” films, using Earth as a sort of practice range because the aliens breed inside humans. The first film ended with a new wrinkle: An alien bred inside a dead predator. As “Requiem” opens, the hybrid hatches aboard a predator space ship, all heck breaks loose, and the crash-landing is the result. Another predator is dispatched to Earth to track down the aliens, which have escaped from the crashed ship and are busily suction-cupping onto the faces of every Coloradoan in sight. Greg and Colin Strause, the directors, and Shane Salerno, the screenwriter, give the humans in the story much more attention than they received in the first film, which makes for a far more watchable movie. The story is fairly generic try-to-get-away stuff, but it’s decently rendered. There are a couple of classic horror-film bits in among the sci-fi — oh, you young people, don’t you know that skinny dipping attracts malevolent creatures? — and even one pretty funny joke. There is also a nice life-or-death choice for the survivors: go await a promised airlift, or go with the resourceful Ms. Aylesworth to look for a helicopter? Robert Joy is a perfect low-key villain in military guise. “Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem” is rated R (Under 17 requires accompanying parent or adult guardian) for violence, gore and salty language.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 1:57 a.m. CST

    Just waiting..

    by MotherPussBucket

    .. for a director to do a Christopher Nolan and give this franchise a much-needed enema.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 2:17 a.m. CST

    Definitely an improvement.

    by Psyclops

    I saw this tonight with pretty low expectations, especially after reading through some of these reviews, but I was surprised by how much I actually enjoyed it. It isn't anywhere near the quality of the first films in each series but it's a definitely an improvement over the first AVP. I'm not a fan of the present day setting but the small town backdrop made this feel like a throwback to those '80s creature features like THE BLOB and CRITTERS, only with more blood. The real problems are directly tied to the script, which is peppered with some horrible dialogue and thin characterization, but the film is visually impressive. What this series needs is a writer who can actually develop the human element or at least keep them as interesting as the monsters on screen. These characters have aren't quite as paper thin as the humans in the last film but they are more believable than the explorers and mercenaries that Paul Anderson had poking around in the Arctic.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 2:59 a.m. CST

    "raping everyone in the theatre"

    by Dr Uwe Boll

    I love this guys reviewing style - seriously, send in more me lad! I won't be paying to see any film with an "Alien" as a character unless that film is directed by either someone with the surname Cameron or Scott - face it, all the rest are shit. Even the Fincher one (yeah, come the fuck on - it is a stinky piece of unscary, uncool Finchiepoop, and I love "The Fincher"). That is all.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 3:03 a.m. CST

    This is going to be like X-MEN 3

    by Mike_D

    Major bucks at the box office, divided fan base. Personally I really enjoyed this movie.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 3:55 a.m. CST

    I hope it bombs...

    by cifra

    ... since they have transformed two of the best scifi/horror/action franchises into a Friday the 13th (nameless body count)

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 4:03 a.m. CST

    havent seen it yet

    by GavinVanDraven

    i saw the only musical made for men instead. Sweeney todd was fucking brilliant. i laughed out loud at his beach attire, his singing to himself and during his first kill..... that being said, i am a huge fan of both the alien and predator series. of course, the first two alien films and the first predator film are the best in the bunch. but neither series churned out an awful movie yet (the newborn in resurrection being the only real sore spot for me). AVP was less than any of these films put together, and still i liked it to an extent. i found it... tolerable, like rocky 5 is... just tolerable. the accelerated gestation thing really grinds my gears though. how long did Kane have the alien growing inside him? days? and the retarded looking predator making friends with a human.... so not right. now, the predalien is something i wanted to make when i went to the art institute of pittsburgh to study special effect (note, if you want a career in special effects... dont go there... they robbed me blind. check out douglas schools and learn from tom savini and friends.) anyways, i never got around to it... other than some concept art, which looked alot better than what the creature looks like in "requiem". from the reviews i have read, i really want to see this movie..... just to see if it is as shit-tastic as everyone says it is. i had high hopes for this movie. stuff like this shouldnt be put into the hands of fanboy geeks. look how singer fucked up "super emo stalker babby daddy returns to fight same non super powered villian again". fanboys dont bring anything to the plate. this flick needed a great director who has been there. ridley scott, james cameron, or even john mctierman. paul verhoeven, as an outside choice would have knocked it out of the park. the predalien gets people pregnant by frenching them? say what???? shit the bed....

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 4:36 a.m. CST

    If this had come out in '86 instead of Aliens...

    by Grim_Rictus

    and 'Aliens' came out today, I'd be reading the same damn complaints. Get over it, the movie ain't terrible. It's got the same flaws that 90% of the genre has, but nothing to warrant the hate here. It wasn't perfect, but it's exactly what I wanted for Christmas. And as a longtime fanboy (especially of Aliens), I'll answer any questions about the creatures that casual viewers might not have understood. First two, just because someone brought these up: 1. If you ask why the Aliens born from humans don't look like human-hybrids, you're a schmuck. They have two legs, two arms, a ribcage and a roughly skull-like face. Fact is we've just only ever seen Aliens that hybridized with Earth-mammals. The Predalien looks like a Predator because that's what that host produces. 2. The Predalien was a young queen. Makes sense to me that they have some other means of reproduction before they tie themselves down with that big ovipositor. Frankly, it makes 'Aliens' make more sense to imagine how the colony got overrun, and as a bonus, it explains the famous deleted cocoon scene in 'Alien'.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 4:44 a.m. CST

    um.....

    by GavinVanDraven

    the predalien was a queen? wtf? i would assume that a queen would not take on properties of its host, as it would be programmed to be just an egg layer. it hatches from a... unique egg. you cant have multiple queens running around. a queen would kill any othe queen eggs as soon as she layed them, until of course... she was about to die. it is what insects do. in any case, predalien is not a queen. oh yeah, the t-rex sized queen in AVP bugged me also. and yes, the alien takes on characteristics of its host. note the CLEARLY visible skull in the giger design, and the catlike alien that came out of the dog. who knows what the "original" creature would look like... because there isnt one. if it popped out of a giant spider it would have 8 appendages.... it makes sense.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 4:59 a.m. CST

    "If this had come out in '86 instead of Aliens"

    by Dr Uwe Boll

    - there would be no "Aliens" - Hello! Aliens was a major - MAJOR film of 86 it wasn't a quickie shitted out to cash in on an ailing "franchise". The Motherfucker is still the highest grosser of the entire series (and it wasn't a "series" when Aliens appeared). Weaver got an Academy Award nomination (the woman was robbed I say). AVP deserves all this hate and much, much more. In fact, no one single post can ever express how much hate this fuckwad of a "franchise" deserves - and no motherfucking fan of Alien or Aliens can ever have any respect for AVP - get tha' fuck out a Dodge motherfucka!

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 5:21 a.m. CST

    AVP Bukkake Review

    by Dr Uwe Boll

    I think this generic review sums this shit-bukkake of a film up: LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - The Alien and the Predator, monsters from a great science-fiction film and an above-average one, respectively, have been reduced in "Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem" to featured attractions in a dull actioner that looks like a bad video game. The first "AVP" pairing in 2004 at least played the monster mash for camp humor. Yet this new film, which opened as counter-programming on Christmas Day, sends the space creatures and their human victims through an antediluvian small-town-under-siege plot that was so nicely satirized this year in Robert Rodriguez's "Planet Terror" portion of "Grindhouse." Consider that great signature moment from Ridley Scott's "Alien" way back in 1979, when an alien baby burst unexpectedly from a poor astronaut's gut. It was truly shocking. Weren't moviegoers supposed to have fainted? Here the directors, who bill themselves as the Brothers Strause, get to that moment right away -- and then again and again and again. A great screen moment turned into to a carny sideshow. So lacking in imagination is this movie that the Brothers Strause and writer Shane Salerno keep scrambling back to the original movie for inspiration. Reiko Aylesworth's Iraq War veteran is a carbon copy of Sigourney Weaver's Ellen Ripley as she fights the monsters in skin-tight clothes with guns a-blazing to protect her daughter (Ariel Gade). Character and dialogue are strictly rote with jaw-dropping lines occurring like Aylesworth's when someone notices that her daughter is a bit shaken, having just seen her daddy devoured by a monster, which then chased them all over town: "It hasn't been an easy night for her," her mom says. No, it hasn't. ahhh, what's the point... these reviews are all over the net (or will be soon).

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 5:41 a.m. CST

    All they have to do is stick to the comics..

    by sonnyfern

    If they just adapt the very first comic series that was put out from DarkHorse...they'd have gold here, that story had everything, it's not THAT hard to do. Ah well, sounds like a B grade gory horror movie, I'll take that I guess.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 5:48 a.m. CST

    Dark Horse AVP

    by Dr Uwe Boll

    Brilliant. Got it right from the outset.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 5:57 a.m. CST

    What says it more than anything...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...is the fact that some voices are already being heard here talking about GOOD things in Anderson's flick in contrast to AvP:R. <p> The stupidity of Fox is most apparent when one considers the first AvP comic. It was set on a distant colony world in roughly the time of Aliens. There was space, there was futuristic weaponry, there were awesome action setpieces, there was no fucking with Alien/Pred canon, there were likable characters, and to top it all off, it was illustrated by a fucking former STORYBOARD ARTIST!!! The thing was practically served to you on a silver platter, but you just HAD to shoehorn in the good-looking twentysomethings, the mom/daughter thing, and all the other braindead, market researched bullshit you think constitutes a good movie, you creatively bankrupt, soul-raping ghouls from hell. <p> To paraphrase the late, great BadAssUncleFucka: <p> "Fuck Foxtards, fuck them up their stupid asses."

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 6:11 a.m. CST

    ”Philbrick! Take notes!”

    by DocPazuzu

    Philbrick scrambles to shut down PowerPoint and grab a pad and pen. <p> “Okay, chief, shoot!” <p> “I just had a brainstorm, Philbrick!” <p> “You GO, sir!” <p> “Get this: instead of the usual Alien Predator scraps on Earth, what if…. we set the next one…. in SPACE! Eh? Eh? Eh? See where I’m going with this? It’s the next logical step! Hellraiser did it and Jason did it, right?” <p> “Sir, I—“ <p> “Yeah, I know what you’re thinking right now – I’ll bet Cameroon and Stott wish they thought of THAT idea when they were making their alien flicks!” <p> “Er…”

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 6:33 a.m. CST

    Horror porn?

    by Dazzler69

    I was wondering if this is considered horror porn. The story did suck. If it had a story it was the Pred's. It seems like when he got the news of the ship crashing it was like he left the oven on at home type of news. He hops in a spaceship and does a little clean up no matter who gets in his way human or otherwise. At least he was not a friendly Pred like in the first one with Ripley ripoff. There was a Ripley ripoff in this one also but did not do anything too important. There is that don't trust the gov thing but I think everybody knows that. I don't see why they could not merge the lines of movies after the orig's storylines? I like future tech stuff and hate messing with continuity. Turn your brain off to watch this one.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 6:36 a.m. CST

    Uncle vs. Auntie: Requiem

    by Bobo_Vision

    Uncle impregnates Auntie, and then Auntie gives birth to a hideous hybrid of the two of them. Only, Uncle and Auntie are rarely in the room together at the same time. Coming soon...for all the people who would pay money to see AVP.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 6:58 a.m. CST

    Remember when these used to be four-star, Oscar-nominated films?

    by enrique_o_k2000

    That was nice, wasn't it?

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 7:30 a.m. CST

    I'm sorry to see the poor reviews

    by Abominable Snowcone

    I was gonna see it this week/end. But last week when I saw the run time (about 86 minutes), I knew it would be one of those forgettable bullshit flicks where they just throw crap up on the screen, the humans don't matter, and there's little to no tension build. Oh, and last week there was that new trailer with the guy and girl making out in the pool room. It looked totally cliched, and it was. It was like Aliens Meets Dawsons Creek. The alien in the pool? Been done in Alien Resurrection. Hey, remember the characters in the original Alien? Sure you do. There were only what, seven of them? And even the ones you didn't like (eg Lambert with her whinyness) at least it mattered when she got wasted. Cuz Ridley Scott let us get to know the characters. There was tension, suspense, and a genuine build-up, with a twist thrown in (Ash is a robot, the distress beacon was a warning and the company knew it). The first AvP was mildly fun to watch, but let's face it, that and probably THIS new movie are pathetic water-downs. Maybe I'll just take my $8.50 and put it towards the special edition Blade Runner DVD.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 7:37 a.m. CST

    Please don'

    by the_scream

    discussing it. Seriously. This film

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 7:39 a.m. CST

    DON'T BUY A TICKET PEOPLE!!!!!!

    by the_scream

    IT IS THE ONLY WAY THEY WILL STOP MAKING IT. JUST DONT BUY A TICKET. PIRATE A COPY, SNEAK INTO THE CINEMA IF YOU MUST BUT STOP BUYING TICKETS TO THIS GARBAGE! IT HAS TO STOP!

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 7:39 a.m. CST

    DON'T BUY A TICKET PEOPLE!!!!!!

    by the_scream

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 7:40 a.m. CST

    DON'T BUY A TICKET PEOPLE!!!!!!

    by the_scream

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 8:20 a.m. CST

    Talking during the movie.

    by dr sauch

    Hey, mods, can we get a sticky talkback link on the front page to vent about people talking during movies?? I mean, yeah, this movie sucked pretty bad, but I wonder if it wouldnt have been slightly better if the retarded uneducated 15 yr olds who clearly must live in a community of pickpocket children without parents to teach them when to shut the fuck up would have shut the fuck up. And yes, they were black, which is a stereotype, but stupidity is colorblind, as anyone who has gone to a movie on opening night knows.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 8:31 a.m. CST

    spidercoz

    by DocPazuzu

    You're a tool.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 8:48 a.m. CST

    How bout something new ?

    by jjeskimo

    Just saw the film and bad acting and cheesyness aside i couldnt help but notice how much they ripped off from all the previous films: *SPOILERS* ( not that we care anymore really) Predator drumming jungle music ( not exactly a bad thing ) Predator wounded and fixes himself painfully while sitting in a tree. Alien swimming in the pool - alien resurrection anyone ? Woman that look almost identical to ellen ripley - gun toting and all. Ellen ripley lookalike comforting small girl about bad dreams and monsters - just like in aliens Small girl - almost expected her to say "mostly" at some point. "GET TO THE CHOPPER" - arnie line rip off, i mean come on. Driving the troop carrier through town with backround music that mirrored the troop carrier scene in aliens. Fly away scene with dramatic build up music followed by large explosion - aliens end scene rip off. Predator ship dropping off predator landing pod in orbit - exactly the same shot from original predator. I could go on and on . . . The only parts i found mildy interesting were ( surprise surprise ) the things that were NEW : Predator home world - just enough shown to make you interested without giving too much away. I dont want to see any more leave it at that. Predator hunting aliens in the sewers with wall mounted trip lasers. That whole scene was tense and really showed their hunting and planning skills. Predator "power glove" although mabey it was pushing it a bit but still wasnt expecting that. Pretty cool. As far as im concerned aliens 3 and 4 and both avp films are "what if" films. What if an alien attatched to a DOG ?? What if Ripley was merged with an alien and aliens had WOMBS!!!! What if there was a temple under ANTARCTICA OMG YES!!! WHATS IF ALIENS AND PREDATORS FAUGHT IN A COUNTRY HICK TOWN AND KILLED PREGNANT WOMEN AND KIDS OMG LOLZ YES!!!! * END SPOILERS * Make aliens 3 again with ripley and Hicks on the original planet with the crashed ship or something. Going back to kill off the source. Scott or Cameron directing.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 8:50 a.m. CST

    It's. So. Fucking. Over.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Do you hear me, FOX? It's done. Take the daggers out of the ALIEN/PREDATOR franchise hearts and put them away for good. There ain't no killing what's already dead.<P>Oh, I can't wait to see which of the AICN writers puts up a review first. It's going to be open season.<P>Philbrick. Run for your life...

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 8:56 a.m. CST

    spidercoz

    by DocPazuzu

    I've stated my case regarding this shit heap on several occasions, not least of which being in this very talkback. If you bother reading them you'll exactly what my "disagreement" is with you and why I feel nothing but contempt for your attitude concerning this property. Bearing that in mind, I hope you will forgive me for not repeating myself and just skipping to the calling you a tool bit.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 9:09 a.m. CST

    "blah blah blah"

    by DocPazuzu

    Thanks for summing up exactly why it is films like this appeal to your fruit fly attention span and why reading a talkback before posting (and consequently looking an idiot) is, like, too hard n stuff.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 9:20 a.m. CST

    spidercoz

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    "...take the movie way more seriously than it's intended..."<P>What, you mean like hoping the movie is actually good and worthy of its franchise precedents?<P>Thanks for settling for scenes lifted straight from a previous FILM, approximately 8 pages of dialog, and horribly hilarious death. I don't mean to sound harsh but you sound like FOX's target demographic = easily duped.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Made $9.48 mil yesterday

    by Ditch Brodie

    According to Hollywood Elsewhere. I think the paragraph from this review at filmcritic.com hits the nail on the head. (Except for the part where he says the series is over): "...Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem (or AVP:R) is a perfect example of how studio stupidity and fanboy obsession can ruin cinema. Why Fox chose to destroy one of its best franchises will be debated for decades to come, but there is no doubt that the Alien saga (and to some extent the perpetually fledging Predator series) is effectively over. What was once a playground for inventive directors with clever scripts has quickly devolved into a wasteland of lowbrow rubbish. Sure, blame Fox, blame the producers (Walter Hill, have you no shame?), but don't forget to put a pudgy, popcorn-flaked finger at the comic and computer jockeys who have been slavering for another cosmic smackdown between the two titular baddies. They screamed, the studio heard, and now, well, now we have this."

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Saw AVP-R last night

    by Macstone

    Hate to be the bearer of bad news to my fellow AICN readers, but the reviewers are right; this movie just sucked eggs. I think that there are 2 or 3 Friday the 13th movies out there with essentially the same plot (People stuck in a town getting slaughtered). I'm so disapointed because I had really high hopes. I just can't believe that Fox let this happen again. One more thing: Can someone who's also seen the movie explain who that woman at the end was? What was that all about?

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 9:35 a.m. CST

    These should be set around ALIENS timeframe

    by Drath

    Because who the fuck wants to watch the xenomorph in present day? Probably the same fucks who wanted to see it in daylight! Ripley's aliens belong in the fucking FUTURE!! Just ignore Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection like the rest of us and set it around the time of ALIENS. That's what we want, Hollywood, go watch crap like Starship Troopers and Total Recall and learn how to make cool futuristic settings again. Those weren't even the best movies I could name but they sure as hell are better than what we get nowadays! I've give up on anyone knowing how to recreate the city in Bladerunner. Best I can hope for is maybe evoking Judge fucking-awful Dredd. Aliens and Predator have entered the Frankenstein meets the Wolfman era of shittiness. No wait, we're past that, this is House of Dracula and all that's left is the Abbot and Costello parody.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 9:35 a.m. CST

    These should be set around ALIENS timeframe

    by Drath

    Because who the fuck wants to watch the xenomorph in present day? Probably the same fucks who wanted to see it in daylight! Ripley's aliens belong in the fucking FUTURE!! Just ignore Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection like the rest of us and set it around the time of ALIENS. That's what we want, Hollywood, go watch crap like Starship Troopers and Total Recall and learn how to make cool futuristic settings again. Those weren't even the best movies I could name but they sure as hell are better than what we get nowadays! I've give up on anyone knowing how to recreate the city in Bladerunner. Best I can hope for is maybe evoking Judge fucking-awful Dredd. Aliens and Predator have entered the Frankenstein meets the Wolfman era of shittiness. No wait, we're past that, this is House of Dracula and all that's left is the Abbot and Costello parody.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 9:59 a.m. CST

    FUCK IT , just FUCK IT !

    by Keith Maniac

    Not surprised in the least by these reviews, apart from the slight praise the first person bestowed. The only people who ever understood these movies were the men behind the originals. They moved on and left Fox with two properties they spent the next 20 years, and millions of wasted dollars, convincing everyone they have no fucking clue of how to handle. Well congrats fellas, i'm convinced. When a sequel is as good as, if not better, than the original, as is the case with Aliens, your duty bound to keep it up, simply because of the rarity of that situation. Alien 3 fumbled it, Resurrection dropped it and AVP has taken it home, heated it up in the microwave and fucked it ragged. All i feel is a quite numbness towards these films now, it could having something to do with the alcohol i've ingested today, possibly. Heres the deal Fox, i'll cherish the originals and you just keep making shite for kids who like videogames, MERRY CHRISTMAS !

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 10 a.m. CST

    I'm going to shit in spidercoz's mouth!

    by Saluki

    Let's see if he notices!

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 10:04 a.m. CST

    impregnating through the mouth?

    by letsfightinglove

    Facehugger, meet Facefucker, the latest addition to the franchise.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Saluki

    by Bobo_Vision

    He will tell you that it tasted exactly as shit should taste, and that anyone who expects more from your shit is an elitist prick. I need to stop reading this talkback.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Good points, mode_7

    by Ditch Brodie

    And spidercoz, maybe I was a bit of a prick for posting what I posted. (It's hard to consider myself elitist when "Grandma's Boy" and "Hatchet" are at the top of my Netfilx queue.) However, I still think a lot of the "fanboys" share responsibility because they don't demand quality. Studio people know that fanboys will see the movie because it's an Aliens & Predator movie. They don't have to focus on story or characters and they don't have to screen it for critics before opening. From the looks of this Talkback many of the fanboys are pissed off that they saw the movie. But they saw it. In droves. And because of this, the studio will most likely make another AVP movie (probably of the same quality that is purported by these Talkback reviews).

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 10:23 a.m. CST

    I wasn't happy

    by zom-bot.com

    here's my gripes and likes, i saw it yesterday on christmas: <P> very dark.in both senses.somebody said needlessly mean, and i kind of agree.i can appreciate the need to speed up the initial attacks to get the ball rolling, but they were done artlessly and by the numbers.(i speak of the father and son and hobos)...the OTHER dark:all major alien/predator action was almost completely black, with glints of blue and white shine. the weird thing is, i've seen the same footage on tv, and it's full color and clearly visible. guess i'll wait to see the dvd.<P> when does homage become imitation? the soldier woman and her daughter reeked of a ripley/newt relationship...even so far as to the girl repeating 'monsters' like 6 times. <P>you had a character named Dallas...nuff said. I was waiting to hear one of the characters to have the last name Hicks. ...<P>the good: subtle nods...like the sound of 'mother's computing in the background of the government guy's bombing decision scene.<P>killing the blonde girl.very surprised. the appearance of Ms. Yutani at the end. The implication that the survivors will probably be kept in gov't lockdown until they die.<P>the realllllly bad: mouth impregnation...multiple babies. so, is this some hint of predator reproduction? this even had the 45 year old guy in front of me saying 'wtf' out loud....

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Parts of a Whole

    by Saluki

    As much as I kid spidercoz, he reminds me of a good friend of mine. He strikes me as the type of person that can take the parts of a movie, and enjoy them for what they are. For me, I need the sum to equal the whole, not just parts. Not every flick is going to this way true, but in this case it feels like we are moving backwards with each installment. Just my thoughts...

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 10:56 a.m. CST

    AvP-R: This year's Fecal Corn!

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Bon Appetit! <p> I can say how disappointed I am in reading this reviews. But who am I kidding? I'm going to see it. And yeah, I'll turn my brain off. I just don't get how or why they crammed so much into 86 minutes, which is a shorter running time than Alvin and the Chipmunks. I can't think of a recent movie that was so short AND terrific. The best movies always take their time.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 10:57 a.m. CST

    THIS MOVIE NEEDS GEORGE W. BUSH AS ONE OF THE HUMANS

    by BringingSexyBack

    That's the only way I'd pay to watch it - to see a Predalien chase down Dubya. Or Cheney, Rove, etc.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 10:58 a.m. CST

    JUST SAW I AM LEGEND IN IMAX

    by BringingSexyBack

    Will Smith has nice skin tone.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 10:59 a.m. CST

    BSB

    by Abominable Snowcone

    And at the end, a special military strike force could bomb the site with a noo-cular weapon.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 11 a.m. CST

    I liked AVP-R. Much better than the first.

    by Mike_D

    Thats just my opinion though. I go to the movies to be entertained. Mission Accomplished.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 11:03 a.m. CST

    AvP-2: YOU write the dialogue!

    by Abominable Snowcone

    With negative reviews pouring in for the new AvP movie, it's clear that a second grader could write better dialogue! So let's have at!<p> LOCAL HILLBILLY SOCIOPATH: We're all gone die! <p> HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL CAPTAIN (to his blonde girlfriend): I won't let them get to you...I promise!!<p> TOUGH-AS-NAILS MILITARY MOM (to daughter): Yes, baby...I suppose monsters really DO exist.<p> PORTLY SHERIFF: I reckon we need more guns. (hands shotgun to ex-con) Son, given the present sit-yee-ation, I'm gone trust you'll do right by me.<p>

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 11:09 a.m. CST

    The Blame Game

    by Saluki

    Of course, the original point of debate was if fanboys (and our pocketbooks) are to blame. What you say, that Hollywood (and others I may add) have given up on quality as we know it, is true, but I say that has always been true. Quality really comes out of nowhere at times, and sometimes I think it may come from giving B-Movies the A-List treatment. Take my two favorite movies, Aliens & Predator, for example. Total B-movies on paper. Yet, since the cannon fodder is made interesting, the score made rousing, and the camera isn't bored with itself, it all becomes memorable. That all looks to be missing in this particular flick, and I wonder if voting with our ticket purchases will signal to Rothman where to go next with the franchise. Then again, he's apart of the instrumental problem. Fox hasn't exactly been on the razor's edge of inventiveness lately.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 11:09 a.m. CST

    More inane dialogue

    by Abominable Snowcone

    REFORMED CON-MAN to MILITARY MOM: I kinda didn't think someone like you would go for...y'know...someone like me...<p> MILITARY MOM: Guess it's times like this each of finds out who we REALLY are (slips tongue to the ex-con).<p> HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL CAPTAIN (fatally wounded, dying in sobbing girlfriend's arms on the street): It's...cold...so cold. It's alright though, Cheri...because I got to have YOU....<p> HYSTERICAL GIRLFRIEND: Oh, Biff! Nooo!!<p> PORTLY SHERIFF: (allows girl two seconds to grieve). That's all, darlin'. Ain't nothin' can be done for him now. You showed him looove. Now we gots to mind the livin'...(spits tobacco) P-TUI!

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 11:14 a.m. CST

    AvP: Pulp Fiction was right

    by zinc_chameleon

    Too bad the Brothers Strause simply didn't follow their original idea and copy Pulp Fiction. An AvP that used the storylines from Pulp Fiction would have been hilarious, and weird. Also, there's been CGI to do an Alien perspective since 1999, when the first AvP came out (which by the way, still has some of the best game logic). Wouldn't it have been cool if the first two Aliens were Vincent and Jules, but in Alien POV? And the Predator was Winston Wolfe? Twisted and funny it could have been, Yoda says.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 11:16 a.m. CST

    P-TUI!

    by Saluki

    I woke up some people after laughing out loud to that one. Are these actual roles in the movie?

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 11:26 a.m. CST

    spidercoz

    by Abominable Snowcone

    I agree with you. Music is the same way. Seems like whenever I buy a "new" CD, its by a long-dead 1970s band like Gentle Giant, or some other group comprised of virtuoso rockers who'd never get airplay today. When was the last time you heard a guitar solo on a "modern" music station that rivalled anything by Steve Howe or Jimmy Page, or Angus Young, for that matter? <p> These damn kids! They'll listen to anything these days! Growing up, I guess nobody told them they don't HAVE to smile and take it when someone hands them a bag of shit.<p> Saluki. Yes--those are characters in the movie, based on reviews I've seen.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Towards Saluki:

    by Zerath

    Sadly, no, those lines are much more fluent than what we had to listen to in AvP:R.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Jett: We The Fanboys

    by Saluki

    Most every review for this one sounds like a fanboy scorned, or a fanboy salvaging entertainment. We all found interest in these properties at one time, so the hyperbole flies.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 11:50 a.m. CST

    it was funny that they showed AVP on TV to just prior to release

    by flipster

    it just reminded everyone that oh yeah AVPR will be shite. so it is written so it is done. Talk about clueless studio people.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 12:16 p.m. CST

    'the government doesn't lie to people'

    by zom-bot.com

    sure, that was a corny ass line, but it had everyone of every age and race and status in the theater laughing their ass off at it- in the GOOD way- at my showing.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 12:25 p.m. CST

    jg9817...the same NY times which hired Jayson Blair?

    by Bong

    YEs I really believe what they say...

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 12:29 p.m. CST

    This has nothing to do with either the

    by skimn

    Alien franchise ( consisting of 2 geniune classics, a fascinating offshoot, and a direct dud ), or Predator "franchise"( 1 near classic, with great location work, McTiernan action, and an original alien design, and 1 money-grabbing sequel ). It has all to do with the computer game/comic book "franchise" that developed from the "wouldn't it be cool if" school of ideas. So what do characters or plot or logic matter? The AVP's aren't really sequels to anything, just as those Frankenstein Vs. fill-in-blank movies that Universal cranked out were in no way sequels to the Whale works. So why should we expect anything resembling an actual motion picture? This is for the "it blew up, blew up real gewd" croud.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 12:36 p.m. CST

    that is what you get

    by lb

    I have no sympathy for the people who paid to see the shitfest.....you knew it would suck and you still wasted hard earned cash on it and now we will be stuck with A v P - R2-D2 or some bollocks. I saw it online and it sucked, was hardly any better than AVP

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 12:51 p.m. CST

    A few thoughts

    by Bobo_Vision

    I'm really fed up with how Wilford Brimley pronounces Diabetes as "Diabet-us". <p> I'm fed up with Jack Nicholson's fat, bloated head, his overractive senior citizen libido, and his obnoxious hammy performances. <p> I can't believe John Travolta still has a career. He was handed a good role on a silver platter with Pulp Fiction, but he has consistently made crappy movies since then. <p> That is all.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 1:01 p.m. CST

    captboulder

    by Abominable Snowcone

    I don't know if humans taste good, but we do have a low bone-to-fat ratio, which is why sharks often abort an attack after taking one or two chomps. What that means is, for all the meat they'll get out of us, they're chewing through a lot of bone. <p> But Aliens never really "ate" humans. They either murdered them straight out, or incapacitated them and cocooned them to be hosts for facehuggers. Predators don't eat people, either. Not from what we've seen so far. Though they skin people and rip out skulls and spines for trophies, we have yet to see a Predator eat someone. <p> Then again, one wonders what Predators do with the skins they've peeled off. We haven't seen any of those lying around.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Fuck Apes...human evolution starts with the Predalien Hybrid

    by riddleman1674

    I was just deep in thought while I'm trying to ponder whether I'd be (obviously) wasting matinee money to sit through this shit script circle jerk...so here goes: So since everything seems to originate on Earth...you know, fuck 2 decades of origin build up from both species because they both somehow originated here on fuckin Earth, maybe we actually evolved from Predator-FaceHugger Love. And as the Predalien evolved and slowly stood upright, it's huge dread-locked cranium slowly gave way to more modern human features while still keeping the alien pea brain and thus became the oblivious numb skull fuck studio executive who feeds off of dollars from insignificant peasant geeks who are on and endless quest to find a decent movie portraying their beloved acid spitting, skull ripping, bad ass extraterrestrial creatures that have....until recently....dominated the sci-fi & horror world. Penny for your thoughts, but of course this is just in theory......

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 1:02 p.m. CST

    AVP:R 2ND OR 3RD BIGGEST X MAS OPENING OF ALL TIME!!!!!!!!!!

    by jg9817

    AVG. YAHOO MOVIES SCORE: B+ (And that's thousands of viewers worldwide) NEW YORK TIMES REVIEW: VERY POSITIVE. And this is the NY TIMES, the most prestigious paper in the United States. BOX OFFICE: 2ND OR 3RD HIGHEST X MAS OPENING OF ALL TIME. AND IT DID IT WITH 1/4 THE BUDGET, 1/4 THE MARKETING AND 1000 FEWER SCREENS THAN I AM LEGEND OR NATIONAL TREASURE. HOW THE HELL DO YOU ARGUE WITH THAT?

  • AVG. YAHOO MOVIES SCORE: B+ (And that's thousands of viewers worldwide) NEW YORK TIMES REVIEW: VERY POSITIVE. And this is the NY TIMES, the most prestigious paper in the United States. BOX OFFICE: 2ND OR 3RD HIGHEST X MAS OPENING OF ALL TIME. AND IT DID IT WITH 1/4 THE BUDGET, 1/4 THE MARKETING AND 1000 FEWER SCREENS THAN I AM LEGEND OR NATIONAL TREASURE. HOW THE HELL DO YOU ARGUE WITH THAT?

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 1:16 p.m. CST

    jg9817

    by skimn

    Thanks for the update. By the way, your check from Fox is in the mail. Oh, and just checked, it's down to B- now, just to let you know.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 1:51 p.m. CST

    was better than AVP 1

    by zom-bot.com

    ..but not by much. seriously, if not for the iclusion of the mutliple oral impregnation, it would have been a salvagable, but artless, entry. remember when directors with vision tackled these things?

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 1:55 p.m. CST

    ..box office update..

    by skimn

    ..and those lovable Chipmunks bundled away almost 29 million over the holiday weekend...seems everyone's shouting "Alvin!" nowadays...coming up, Pat O'Brian and his insightful interview with Lindsay Lohan..NEXT!..

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 1:55 p.m. CST

    QUOTED LINES

    by lecter1914

    SOmeone way up above was going threw a list of things that were hommaged in this flick and said they were expecting to hear "GET TO THE CHOPPER!!!" Um..DAllas said it at the hospital...it wasnt safe.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 2 p.m. CST

    religious sub-titles in action movies

    by zom-bot.com

    do the execs even know what they mean? do they know that a requiem is a song/music for the dead at a service or funeral? <P>what was this a requiem to/for? not aliens. not predators, not humans. what is the relevance? it should have been called AVP: Incedent 2 or something (or higher, if the gov't's been keeping tabs for a while).<P> Alien: Resurrection<P>Terminator 4 Salvation<P>can anybody think of anymore? i know there've been quite a few...

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 2:02 p.m. CST

    terminator 2:

    by zom-bot.com

    judgement day...a-doy<P>well, at least the terminator series deals with the 'end of the world'

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Everything I'm reading

    by Abominable Snowcone

    makes it sound like the Strause brothers went for a joyride in their cool uncle's hot rod and messed it up.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 2:13 p.m. CST

    IMDB USER RATING IS A SOLID 7.8 OF 10.

    by jg9817

    NEW YORK TIMES REVIEW VERY GOOD. IMDB USER RATING 7.8/10 YAHOO USERS MOVIES SCORE: B+ 3RD HIGHEST X MAS OPENING OF ALL TIME.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 2:17 p.m. CST

    jg9817

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    How much is Rothman paying you?

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 2:20 p.m. CST

    One of the worst films that I have ever seen.

    by Wheel99

    They basically took all the rules established by the two franchises and threw them out the window. Awful Awful movie.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 2:21 p.m. CST

    question for those that have seen it

    by Bloo

    I've heard quite a few mention the "Alien" homages or nods or ripoffs, but is there any love given that way to the original Predator (if you want to call it love) or is the Predator just there to fight?

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Hate on it all you want....

    by Ragnar Danneskjöld

    Bottom line is that it is a B movie creature feature. Go in with expectations more than that, and you will be pissed. I just got back and thought it was heavy on the homage/imitation. Struck me as a big budget fan film. And as a fan film, it works... For my two dinari, it was better than AVP, Predator 2, Alien 3 and 4. I lament that it didn't get a better treatment from FOX, when these type of movies attracted actual stars and talent. But bottom line is, barring THE MATRIX, there really haven't been any good action films since the mid-90s...so we should be used to it by now. Sure its mindless crap...but don't tell me you hate this and like Transformers or other such bigger budgetted mindless crap...

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 2:25 p.m. CST

    only homages to original predator series i saw:

    by zom-bot.com

    someone yelling 'get to the chopper' and the trophy rack - only this time with alot more skull that are too dark- like most of the movie- to make out.<P>which is maybe one other reason to watch the dvd to pause it. I'd like to know what other creatures may become tied in with the predators.<P> things that could have been used: thje predator never once used any voice mimicking or other specialty vision. with the exception of the 'blue goop that eats everything' there were no new gadgets.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 2:28 p.m. CST

    zom-bot: you forgot the new predator whip

    by Mike_D

    thats a new gadget!

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 2:29 p.m. CST

    one big stupid flaw:

    by zom-bot.com

    if this predator was a 'cleaner', as his using of blue goo to remove trace evidence backed up....THEN WHY THE HELL DID HE SKIN THAT COP that was already running away...i understand killing him, even melting him- but he skinned and hung him. not very stealthy for a cleaner.<P> did anyone else notice the predalien ripping the spine and skull from the cook in the diner? a brief foreground shot. why would the predalien carry over the 'sporting' culture?

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 2:32 p.m. CST

    ah yeah, the whip was alright.

    by zom-bot.com

    and it makes sense he couldn't use it until an open scene, but otherwise, he couldn't hit shit with his cannons....yet he tried over and over and over again. just once i wanted to see him SUCEED at distance sniping.<P> didn't you love how sometimes the alien blood burned and sometimes it didn't depending on what the script wanted? he fucking crushed an alien's head with his sandaled foot. he should have had a stump. better yet, he never should have done it.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Ragnar

    by skimn

    ..would you say the Bourne series are NOT good action films?

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Skimn

    by Ragnar Danneskjöld

    Crap...ya got me.... forgot about Bourne...

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 2:44 p.m. CST

    also, to bloo

    by zom-bot.com

    none of the AVP's have so subtley or powerfully built onto the predator mythos as well as predator 2 did, nor do they really reference it really. <P>sure pred 2 was a summer action monster movie with danny glover, but wipe away the cops and robbers shit and it teased us wonderfully with just enough hints of predator law and culture. <P> then AVP shows us absolutely everything like hardcore porn to where it kinda loses the charm. not to mention, the cultural gaps it tries to fill in just seem horribly concieved and wrong.<P> we see a few secs of the pred homeworld, with a combo of frank lloyd wright and star wars archetecture...and the cleaner pred watching footage in a chair (too?) similar to the one in ALIEN with the dead astronaut in it....so, i guess in ten years someone will remake ALIEN and have it be a crashed predator ship the nostromo finds. fuck!

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Riddick vs. Predator vs. Alien

    by zom-bot.com

    place your bets. i honestly don't know what else would be next. and truth is, Pitch Black was not all bad. Chronicles, on the other hand.......

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Ragnar

    by skimn

    no prob...but you nailed it. This is a moderately budgeted creature feature B movie. And forget about its lineage within the series, the initial idea was based on a videogame. Thats probably why Anderson was tapped to direct the first one.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Predators used to hunt things right?

    by citizen13

    How was it that this predator was walking right past the aliens all the time? I guess the aliens were covered with mud and stuff in the sewer, I can forgive that, but they were stalking right below him on a SEE-THROUGH catwalk out in the open?!? Weren't Predators like, bad-ass hunters and aliens somewhat stealthy, crafty-keep-to-the-shadows-type monsters? everything was totally out of character. And who is the Yutani chick that we're supposed to know?

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Five bucks says jg9817 is Shane Salerno. Google it.

    by ImYerNumber1Fan

    Do a google search for this tool's screenname and jg9817 pops up on IMDB's message board giving him props for sending coffee to the striking writers. Coincidence? Doubtful. It's either Salerno or his mom, and after looking at Salerno's IMDB listing, filled with his own chubby-faced headshots and long-winded arrogant biography that lists every "achievement" he's made, I wouldn't doubt for a second that he's online patting himself on the back, including this talkback. So let's see... jg9817 is on here defending AVPR to the death, AND on imdb giving Salerno massive props for sending 500 cups of coffee to striking writers. Hmmmmm.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Question

    by indyjonez100

    I'm about to go out and buy an Xbox 360, my question should I save some money and buy the Arcade bundle or spend the extra money and buy the Xbox 360 standard? I'm not sure I'm going to need all that GB worth of storage since I'm never going to go on Xbox live and only plan to play games on the system at home. What do you think?

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Actually. . .

    by Macstone

    Actually the intitial idea was from a very well written comic book published by Dark Horse Comics. They began forcing toys and, yes, video games on us shortly after. <p> Also, I totally disagree some of the comments saying that we shouldn't have expected more other than action. Story IS important for a movie like this. I just don't see how that can be debated. Bottom line: Fox knew that this movie was something we wanted, just like they knew we wanted the last one. It's just a shame that they took advantage of us again, knowing we'd buy tickets again. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Spidercoz, Ragnor....STOP IT!

    by Brians Life

    You, and others like you, are HALTING THE NATURAL PROGRESSION OF HUMANITY! <br> <br>You're the people who went to see Ghost Rider 'cause your brother's got a tattoo of him (and you were BOTH surprised to find out his name is Johnny Blaze). I can deal with fuckwits going to see AVPR and liking it. Am I slagging them off....SURE...only because I have to assume that you just don't EXPECT much from movies. You don't expect them to be well-written, or have characters we're interested in or even...FUCK...even LOOKING like they were competently shot. These things all fall to the wayside to people like YOU.<br> <br>My buddy Nick all he wants to see in movies is Tits. "Hey, Nick, you gotta see this movie..." "Does it have tits?" That's all you fuckers want...is TITS. The chick doesn't need to speak, have similar interests, or even a brain...as long as she's got TITS. I'm gonna excuse the AICN population that is under 18, cause you're young and you'll realize how stupid this shit is when you're older....but the others..FOOOOOR SHAME!!! Like the fucking movie all you want, but don't get made when everyone else points out WHAT IT REALLY IS!!! <br> <br> And Ragnar McDouchebag...you need to look up what exactly a B-movie is. I'm sure that DREAMGIRLS has a bunch of supporters who are saying "Oh, it was a B-Movie"...and every other crappy movie that has supporters when the flick can't stand on it's own legs....and for the record, I fucking HATED Transformers, but at least the Action was cool...this tripe even fucked that up. PEACE!

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST

    who is the Yutani chick that we're supposed to know?

    by zom-bot.com

    the second half of the 'weyland yutani' corporation- the one huge more powerful than government, souless corporation as mentioned in aliens and alien3 and vaguely in resurrection.<P> we met Weyland in AVP1,who the Bishop android was based on, dying from lung cancer, killed by a Predator. <P>I can only imagine Yutani bought out or merged with is company at some point.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Rambo vs Alien vs Predator

    by Cruel_Kingdom

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Alien vs Predator vs Ron Paul

    by Cruel_Kingdom

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 3:36 p.m. CST

    i wonder if the blonde chick's extended ass shot...

    by zom-bot.com

    was another homage to sigourney's undie shot in ALIEN? they sure kept the camera on her tiny 'boy ass' for a long time in AVPR, i could hear the squeaking jeans of all the teenage boys and old men in the theater.<P> in fact i may have to buy AVPR just to count the numerous 'homages' that are rampant in it....

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Uhmmmm. . .

    by Macstone

    Actually. . . . <p> A3 was a bad movie <p> yep. bad, bad, bad <p> good to nap to though

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Thanks Zom

    by Bloo

    I picked up on the "get to the chopper" that everyone here has mentioned but didn't know if there were anything other references, i.e. a mention of Danny Glover or Arnie's chars from P1 or P2

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Bloo- at least i didn't catch any more..

    by zom-bot.com

    but the more i think about the movie, the more homages i see...and at first i didn't see any, now the pic seems like nothing but! so, i hate to say, but i think it warrants a re-watch.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Wow, Shane Salerno's wiki entry is insane...

    by Alonzo Mosely

    I am not sure if text can technically perform fellatio on itself, but damn it is having a good try...

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 4:01 p.m. CST

    wiki auto fellatio

    by zom-bot.com

    ha ha- i think it did. <P>"Additionally he is a highly sought after script doctor" aka when a movie script is completely horrendous and confusing, he comes in and makes it stupidly digestable enough for the average idiot.<P> plus, uh, what 'great things' has he done since his award in 2001? not that that's a loooong time ago, but really, in his industry, that is.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 4:06 p.m. CST

    zom, I'll catch it

    by Bloo

    yeah I'm going to catch it, one of the perks or curses of being a movie critic for a newspaper. Another thing is the only movie theatre in my town advertises with my only local paper so you have to keep the advertsers happy so I'll have to find some positive spin

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Scumcock . . .

    by Toulon

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 4:15 p.m. CST

    "Alien 3 was the BEST of the Alien franchise"

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    HA!<P>"...wrecked the mythos with the intro of the Queen..."<P>HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA!!!<P>"Yes, quite easily, Alien 3 was the best of the bunch."<P>OK. STOP. You're killing me here with your fuzzy AnimalStructure-logic.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 4:16 p.m. CST

    thats good for you

    by lb

    ...but don't expect others to lower their expectations to be entertained. If a movie asks me to leave my brain at the door to enjoy it...it has already asked too much.

  • I think that would be hard to argue with. Those films fine the perfect balance of solid acting, writing, action, look, style, authenticity. It's interesting how absolutely little dialogue the Bourne trilogy has. It's a story conveyed through action.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 is a good movie but a bad sequel

    by lb

    It has never worked as a follow-up to Aliens and, arguably, is not at the same standard as Alien/Aliens.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Re: Salerno's Wiki entry

    by ImYerNumber1Fan

    My god, self fellatio is right. Even better, if you check out Salerno's edit history, you'll see that it was nearly completely edited by a single user named Ghefley, and that this mysterious person even attempted to upload pics of Salerno but got rejected. Between wikipedia, imdb, and the postings on here by jg9817, either Salerno has some amazing PR firm working for him, or he is one insecure dude who spends a lot of time manufacturing his online image.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 4:25 p.m. CST

    "If I want something well-written...I'll read a book."

    by Alonzo Mosely

    What kind of logic is that... Hollywood serves you badly written movies, so you give up on movies having good writing and expect crap, because that way you will be less disappointed?

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Bourne Identity and Casino Royale give me hope.

    by megpen

    They are well written, well directed, well acted films. And Batman Begins.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Scumcock . . .

    by Toulon

    The passage of time thing still gets me from AVP1, so I'm gonna call it every time . . . here, if any time HAD passed between the chestburster and the full predalien, shouldn't the ship have been, oh, let's say, LIGHTYEARS away from Earth by then? I don't buy they were just hanging out in orbit, either . . . <p>Jock . . . Ex-Con . . . they were both blonde pretty-boys whose characters were only as deep as their highlights, so I wouldn't be surprised if you're right on that one . . . no fuckin' way am I gonna check to see, though!<p>These are fairly trivial points considering the RIDICULOUS amount of suckage this film demonstrates throughout. I went in HOPING for something good . . . I didn't get it. The audience I saw it with definitely laughed at the dialogue, cried 'WTF!?' more than once, and left as quickly as possible.<p>If you liked it, we'll just have to disagree . . . I think 'Hitman' was cinematic GOLD compared to this (and that's saying A LOT)!

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Memories of Murder I agree with you. Not a movie fan at all

    by megpen

    What a dumb thing that person said.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 4:34 p.m. CST

    "...one of the idiots that wrote ARMAGEDDON"

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    But I'm sure your DVD shelf has got a copy of that sitting right next to your copy of COMMANDO, right MOM?

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 4:36 p.m. CST

    ib...your comment on Alien 3 was spot on.

    by megpen

    It is a good stand alone movie. It's not a great sequel. Cameron's Aliens was both.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Opinions: What's better Alien or Aliens??

    by megpen

    Obviously both are great, classic films but if you had to pick one over the other...?

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 4:41 p.m. CST

    JG9817 IS SHANE SALERNO! MORE PROOF?!

    by ImYerNumber1Fan

    Within one hour of me connecting jg9817's posts on here to his Salerno ass-kissing posts on IMDB ("he sent over 500 writers hot coffee on the picket lines"), JG9817's posts on Salerno's IMDB message board mysteriously disappeared. Again, one hell of a coincidence. Nice way to try and cover your tracks Salerno. Oh, and keep rationalizing how "good" your movie is with your B- ratings and "3rd highest xmas opening" messages. Hope it helps you sleep better at night knowing you're Fox's puppet. Just how far up there did Rothman manage to shove his fist?

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 4:42 p.m. CST

    AnimalStructure

    by thecheesegrommit

    Wow! just WOW! You are sooooo lucky, the button in "Mirror Mirror" Kirks quarters is broken. I keep pushing it "boiing, boiing" Damn! still broken. arrrrrrrrrrrrr.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 4:42 p.m. CST

    I'm a Fincher fan and admire Alien 3.

    by megpen

    I don't think Seven would be as unrelenting and uncompromising without what Fincher went through on Alien 3. There is a fantastic story about the entire Alien 3 nightmare in a book called DARK EYE: THE FILMS OF DAVID FINCHER. It's a good book and it demonstrates the motherfucker that Fincher was put through to try and make another great Alien film.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Memories-Of-Murder

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Quote: "You want it bad, boy?"<P>Are you coming on to me, Memories? That's a little forward...even for a humorless asspickle such as yourself.<P>So, what do you have sitting beside your copy of ARMAGEDDON? BLOODRAYNE perhaps?

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 4:46 p.m. CST

    ImYerNumber1Fan

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Wow. If there really is a Salerno/jg9817 connection there - good detective work on your part.

  • Imyernumber1fan...really...who gives two shits? We're talking movies here. You know M-O-V-I-E-S...and I hate those posts where someone like you posts something and then you sign in under another name and back it all up and compliment yourself. You're as guilty as what you're complaining about. Now back to Alien 3.........

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 4:55 p.m. CST

    MOM - Your Pitt story is accurate and...

    by megpen

    The whole story of it is in that book I told you about. Pitt put it in his contract but that didn't stop the studio NL from having a whole new ending written where it was the dog's head and even had the sequence storyboarded.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 5 p.m. CST

    Nice little B-Movie

    by joergn

    Just don´t expect anything like the original Predator or Aliens! Guess they don´t make movie like that anymore. Hell, half of the audience would leave the cinema if there would be no monster, explosion, actionpiece for the first half an hour in the movie. They don´t build up characters ´cause people don´t want to invest anymore time in it, calling it "boring"! Remember, the first AVP? Everyone was just bitching about having no gore in it. So the gave them more red stuff in that one. Everyone was bitching about Paul Anderson being a talentless hack. So they got 2 new talentless hacks for this movie. Here you go. Bottom Line: Nice B movie with some nice action scene, kills and FX but a lame script, boring characters and hillarious dialogue. But I will surely make a big buck these days and will be good enough for the nowadays, "hip" audience to enjoy. Everyone else, sorry the times of ballsy, clever and entertaining actionpieces are gone with the late 80´s, I guess.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 5:02 p.m. CST

    The Dog's head...

    by Alonzo Mosely

    would have probably got more complaints and negative test audience scores, 'cause you can't be cruel to dogs, blond chicks are fair game, but not pets... They probably would have shot another ending where it is the head of his third cousin, and an awkward line of dialogue would be added at some point to explain he had a third cousin who he was really fond of...

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 5:02 p.m. CST

    It's crazy to go after screenwriters on big budget movies...

    by megpen

    Because however well paid they are, they have no real power to determine the final cut of a movie. Actually very few directors do anymore. The studio can chop and cut the movie down to get in a 5th or even 6th showing a day. That's why FOX's movies routinely hover around 90 minutes - even X-3 -- so that they can get one more showing in. You really need an A list filmmaker with final cut to preserve what was shot IF what was shot at all was good in the first place.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Just saw it in Germany,opening night,sold out theater...

    by travis-dane

    620 people,just 2 walkouts and the movie is bad!I am sad.Paid money to see it.But you have to see for your self.The reviews up there are way tooooo nice!SHIT!

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 5:05 p.m. CST

    MOM/Alonzo

    by megpen

    MOM...I heard the commentary track. It was amazing that Seven survived the attempts to fuck it up. It really is one of the most uncompromising studio films ever made. Alonzo -- You are so right. That's how crazy testing is. Test audiences will watch anything happen to a human but if you touch a dog...heaven will fall.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Animalstucture

    by the_scream

    Alien 3 was a mess of a film that even a great director like Fincher was tearing his hair out. The mess came from a combination of weird ideas that were hacked to pieces and thrown together into an incoherent script. How the hell did the alien egg get on board? Was there just the one facehugger and, if so, how could it impregnate more than one host? Why send Bishop's creator? How the hell would they know that Ripley became buddies with Bishop at the end of Aliens? Just a lame excuse to please fans of Bishop. The dog alien had its moments but it turned Giger's once beautiful very "alien" monster into a cheetah that wasn't scary in the slightest . Then we get a film totally devoid of humour or interesting characters. Just a bunch of boring idiots swearing who we didn't care about when they died over and over an over again. Not only was this a poor sequel to Cameron's masterpiece (his best film to date) and Scott's masterpiece but it was also a poor stand alone film as well. Boring, dull, mean, and pointless. Oh, and heavy handed with all the slow-motion, birth-death analogies too. Awful film that only looks good now with all the AVP crap out there.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Casino Royale is not an action movie.

    by kabong

    It's a chick flick with some action in it.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 5:13 p.m. CST

    megpen

    by Alonzo Mosely

    Yeah, if you want to show how big your balls are in Hollywood, make a torture porn film featuring animals being tortured... They'd burn the movie theatres to the ground...

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 5:20 p.m. CST

    @memories-of-murder:

    by joergn

    It´s not apologetic stuff, it´s just a fact! Predator and Aliens have been made to entertain the average, mature guy next door. Now they produce stuff like that for a whole other market, teenagers or fanboy. They don´t need to meet any expectations ´cause the producers know who is gonna to watch the move and who isn´t. And if it doesn´t make well at the cinema, theres still the DVD-market ready to cash in with it. That´s all and there´s nothing you can do about,...besides not watching the movie.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Aliens/3 thoughts

    by Bloo

    I like Alien 3 and even Alien Rez but I personally think they would have worked better if riply hadn't been in them. 3 not as much so but in Rez she really feels forced in, like at the last minute they decided "crap we've GOT to put riply in this" kinda like in th eHalloween with Coolio(?) where at the beginning we find out that it wasn't Micheal Myers it was an EMT in a Micheal myers mask she chopped the head off of and then at the end she shows up. Then she shows up at the end, out of nowwhere. That's how her apperance in AR feels to me

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Speaking of Alien 3

    by skimn

    What the fuck has ever happened to Vincent Ward, outside of that Robin Williams-goes-to-Hell moive? His ideas for the wood planet looked amazing if perhaps impractical.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 5:24 p.m. CST

    The whole AVP: R debate

    by megpen

    I haven't seen the film so I cannot comment on it properly but I will say that anyone expecting the eighth film in a franchise - four Aliens, 2 Predators and now 2 AVP's to be as original as the first say two were is really setting themselves up for disappointment. Alien is a great film but remember you had never seen an Alien before. Same for Predator 1. Aliens was a great action film, it was all out war with many Aliens. But when you get to number eight...its hard to be bright, fresh and new which is why they probably chose to set this one on Earth...even though that creates a bunch of potential problems...though again, I haven't seen it.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 5:35 p.m. CST

    That´s a problem

    by joergn

    You can´t come up with anything fresh and exciting without having a director with visions and producers to back this up, no matter how much it may cost or which audience it´s aiming at. Rumors said, due to the draft by the directors the movie was to stage in space. But it was too expensive for the studios. But damn, that would have saved us from this stupid Beverly Hills 90210-sterotypes.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 5:36 p.m. CST

    M-o-M

    by skimn

    By the way, just curious..have you seen I Am Legend..? Any thoughts...

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Overall, I liked I am Legend despite issues

    by megpen

    I had certain issues but overall I enjoyed the film. I'm not one of those people that let's a few issues ruin an entire movie unless they are so fundamental that it destroys the movie.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Spider-Coz....Jeeeello Puddin Pops

    by Brians Life

    We are just on different ends of the spectrum, my friend. I try and see every movie that piques my interest. Does your argument suggest that films are not MEANT to be well-written? I mean, I'm quite the reader as well, and I can definitely say I've read books as bad as watching AVPR...but is that to say that I shouldn't EXPECT (if not DEMAND) that they be competently written? Just looking for some consistency. As far as my "fucks"...that's how I talk. I'm from Hollywood. (andy kaufman impression). <br> <br> As far as my "fuck you, your an idiot", dude, I went to this movie with expectations of the following nature: I'm not gonna like it but at least it will probably be stupid and fun.....it was only the former. Besides that, your defense of it is "Fuck you, it's awesome. You're a hater!"

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 5:49 p.m. CST

    MegPen,

    by Brians Life

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 5:51 p.m. CST

    I'm an Idiot, Megpen

    by Brians Life

    Lack of originality is part of the problem. Not an excuse. Beyond the badly lit, and edited fight scenes and wooden cartoonish acting...the movie was BADLY written. And it was BADLY directed (by TWO guys). Isn't that enough to make it a BAAAAD movie!?

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 5:53 p.m. CST

    The queen couldn't lay an egg.

    by veebeeyes

    It shed its ovipositor before getting on the Sulacco.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Brian...I haven't seen the film.

    by megpen

    So I can't comment on AVP: R. I do remember when everyone ripped the first one and Harry came on and said it was pretty good after all. And I hated the first AVP and what Anderson did with it. But then again I hate every Paul Anderson abortion masquerading as a movie.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 5:55 p.m. CST

    megpen, what's your point?

    by ImYerNumber1Fan

    I wasn't aware that a talkback about AVPR was only relegated to discussions about the Alien films past and present. I figured it might also be a place to discuss the filmmakers, the studio, and the thought process that went into making these movies. If I want to bring up a hack screenwriter's attempts to promote himself and his crappy work, that's my right. It's a talkback, not YOUR forum. Interesting that you're so eager to Salerno's defense though. Besides that, discussing the people behind a film is just as relevant of a MOVIE discussion as your debate about the merits of the other Alien films. Both threads are about M-O-V-I-E-S. Also, this is my only screenname. If you're referring to Mr. Gaius congratulating me on my detective work, take it up with him, because as much as I dig his handle, we're not the same entity. And by the way, MegPen is an interesting name. Wonder what I can dig up on that...

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Xiphos...the last 1/3 of IAL didn't fully work for me.

    by megpen

    I agree with that. The last third took a detour that it didn't need to take.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Best review of the movie yet!

    by LaudnerGomez

    http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?ID=31829

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 5:58 p.m. CST

    MegPen, and ALL THE WORLD....

    by Brians Life

    I know you didn't see. You can consider that a warning. There by Tigers there (in the theater that showing AVPR). QUESTION TO ALL: Does the fact that I'm SO critical about movies of this nature (AVPR, Bayformers, Norbit...yep in the same sentence).....YET I have a copy of Killer Klowns From Outer Space on my DVD shelf invalidate my opinion?!?!

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Imyernumber1fan - go ahead knock yourself out...

    by megpen

    It just feels like you have some personal issue against Salerno that you're trying VERY, VERY HARD to sell everybody on this board. Why would that be? Incidentally, who are you?

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Laudner....that review says it all.

    by Brians Life

    Good find.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Cuz Salerno used to beat me up in gradeschool

    by ImYerNumber1Fan

    There, I admitted it. Actually it's that plus I hated both AVP movies more than a rusty spoon enema, so when I see a shady connection between AVP-defending posts on here and ass-kissin' posts on Salerno's messageboard, you can bet I'll bring it up. Oh, and LaudnerGomez, thanks for the link. The opening paragraph to that review is golden: "I can't imagine anyone on the planet received a bigger present this Christmas morning than Paul W.S. Anderson. While his profoundly sullied name hasn't been rescued from the pits of directorial reputation hell, he can now take comfort in the knowledge that he hasn't directed the worst film to feature Aliens and Predators." http://tinyurl.com/2xmp75

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Well he sure showed us....

    by Brians Life

    Sorry, brother. Movies are my life, I'm pretty passionate about 'em. Few things miff me more than a missed opportunity. Apologies for applying the quote to you, but I don't think I ever actually said "Fuck you, you're an idiot" either...if we're being technical.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 6:26 p.m. CST

    My take - AVPR

    by v1

    AVP was bad because it was Campy... AVPR tries (key word… TRIES) to play it straight, and I appreciated that. The flaw of AVPR was its weak script, especially the first act. I wish the script would have developed one of the characters further, and told the story from their perspective. Say for example, the story of the small town sheriff was flushed out more. As a young sheriff he could have struggled to keep it together as his lack of experience, the town’s lack of faith in him, and the obvious disadvantage of being stuck in the middle of an onslaught of two alien species. <p> I’ve taken a seen from the movie and re-imagined it to illustrate my point above… [spoiler] <p> Imagine the scene in the home with the little daughter with the NVG’s. Get rid of the Ripley wanna be, returning army vet, and have the sheriff coming home from a LONG day of finding dead bodies, and having NO clue what’s going on. There are rumors flying all around town, and his daughter is scared and having nightmares. She wakes up and is looking out the window and she sees a “monster.” She starts screaming, he and his wife run in the room to see what’s wrong. He tries to convince her that its true people are being hurt, but there is no such thing as monsters, just bad people. Mom goes to the window and shine’s the flash light outside, and BAM, an alien jumps through the window and kills the wife… dad and daughter get the hell out of dodge (because he knows the wife is done for). Make getting out of the house and surviving the attack on the home MUCH more difficult for him, so he really knows the score. Now he is the only one that truly comprehends what the F’ is going on, how bad ass the aliens are and he wants nothing more to save his daughter. He has to do everything in his power to keep some of the town’s people together and moving to stay alive. <p> [end spoiler] <p> By focusing the script rather on the full development of a main character rather than using the stand by, cheesy porn/80’s horror flick list of characters that are under developed and overly cliché I think the movie could have been considerably better. I thought the action sequences were fairly strong, the aliens and the predator were very convincing, the predalien’s dreds were a bit over the top, but I know they had to distinguish it from the other aliens enough that people new to the franchise could tell the difference. <p> All in all, I enjoyed the movie for it’s strength’s and lamented it’s weaknesses. It’s a far cry from Alien or Aliens (or either Predator film), but I thought it was better than AVP and especially better than Alien: Resurrection. And no, I’m not a plant.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST

    ImYerNumber1Fan

    by DocPazuzu

    Excellent detective work. That ass was without a doubt Salerno. <p> In the spirit of the holidays, allow me to give you another bit of info: Salerno hasn't left the talkback. On a hunch, I searched for the upcoming Meg on IMDB. Guess who's "penning" the screenplay?

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST

    yeah... I'd love to be able to edit

    by v1

    ... scene, not seen. Doh!

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 6:39 p.m. CST

    DozPazuzu, yeah, I know.

    by ImYerNumber1Fan

    I wasn't going to call that out cuz it just seemed waaay too obvious and figured even he wouldn't be that stupid. But yeah... who knows.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Wait so now I'm Salerno? ????????

    by megpen

    MEGpen has nothing to do with the MEG that I just looked up on IMDB after reading your post. My M.E.G stands for something...a joke actually. The first word is MASS. No connection. Thank God you're not a real detective. You'd be executing people who weren't even in the same state at the time of the murder.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 6:40 p.m. CST

    megpen

    by DocPazuzu

    Oh, it's a joke all right.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 6:41 p.m. CST

    It's cool megpen. No biggie.

    by ImYerNumber1Fan

    But you gotta admit jg9817 sure is a slippery one, ain't he!

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 6:43 p.m. CST

    You

    by megpen

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Using your logic Doc, then you are Paul Anderson.

    by megpen

    Raper of the first AVP and a slew of other shit-caked films. And since Paul Anderson has said in interviews that he reads and posts all over Internet boards who knows...maybe you are.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Strange, megpen...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...but there is no record of you ever posting on AICN until immediately after jg9817 was outed.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Yes, maybe I am Paul Anderson.

    by DocPazuzu

    Your point being...?

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Patton Oswalt...

    by veebeeyes

    should post a review of AVPR, written as Neil Cumpston playing jg9817 playing Shane Salerno playing Shane Salerno's mom.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 6:47 p.m. CST

    I've posted before what are you talking about???

    by megpen

    Are you just making shit up now?

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 7 p.m. CST

    WHAT THE FUCK is going on here?

    by travis-dane

    If that SALERNO dude is really here,HE needs to apologize to all of us for that piece of SHIT script he has written!DocPazuzu is right,keep on fighting!I would like to go TONY MONTANA on the FOX assholes!

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Ok, I've read enough

    by Vesuvio

    FUCK this movie, and FUCK YOU 20th Century Fox

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 7:08 p.m. CST

    is anyone seriously surprised this thing is a piece of shit?

    by slappy jones

    when they have to resort to those gore filled trailers to get everyone excited you know you are in desperate territory...if it looks like shit, smells like shit and tastes like shit then it is pretty safe to say it is shit. (or maybe its nickleback either way its bad)

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 7:09 p.m. CST

    It definitely is NOT me.

    by megpen

    So connect your short bus riding detective skills onto someone else. I haven't even seen AVP: R and have not defended it here or anywhere else.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 7:18 p.m. CST

    AvP2 , WTF Happened to good movies?!?!?

    by Violator90

    I just saw ALIENS just 2 days ago. Damn, that movies STILL gets me excited, and is STILL fun to watch. PREDATOR was the SHIT! A hunter from beyond the stars that you can't see and you have no idea of how to fight it. Two of the greatest monster to grace the silver screen. AvP is just the dirty little secret that has been hiding in the attic for the last 20 yrs and now we are paying the price. SHIT! How the fuck is it so hard to follow these steps:(1)GO to a comic book store.(2)Ask for ALL the AvP comics they have and buy them.(3)ACTUALLY read through them ALL; thoroughly-numerous times!(4)Pay attention to the pictures.(5)Use the comics as THE actually script!(6)Follow the comics and put it on film.(7)Screen it to fans. (8)Release it to the world as is should be and every one is happy. HOW FUCKING HARD IS THAT?!?!? HOW FUCKING RETARDED AER YOU COCKSUCKING, CUM GURGGLEING, ASS LICKING HOLLYWOOD EXECS?!?! How fucking hard is following those steps. Damn, I was hoping against all odds that this AvP was at least be better that the first in all ways. Yet with so many its really disappointing to hear that it just doesn't make things that much better but actually is worse that the first. Damn you studio execs! Fuck! JUST LET SOME ONE THAT TRULY ACTALLY KNOWS THE MATERIAL DO THE PICTURE! FUCK YOU HOLLYWOOD!

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Well, megpen...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...let's just leave it for talkbackers to decide, shall we? <p> I'm sure it's all coincidental that a shining new TB handle shows up after Salerno's outed in this TB. Also that the same talkbacker uses plantalicious "gripes" concerning the (allegedly unseen) film in order to seem impartial, and takes SERIOUS issue with the very same talkbacker who outed Salerno so brilliantly. And of course it's all a coincidence that this new talkbacker is called "megpen" and Salerno is penning the screenplay for Meg. <p> Clearly, there is no case of mine to be made here.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Yeah I thought it was way too obvious too...

    by Alonzo Mosely

    But hey, I figured it wasn't worth calling, and that everyone could make their own assumptions. But maybe I am wrong, maybe the timing is just coincidental... After all even Mark Twain can be a moron sometimes...

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Coooooz

    by Brians Life

    Dig it when TBers kick the venom and just talk. It's a rarity. I wouldn't be so pissed if I hadn't seen Aliens when I was 12 and spent the next 15 years imagining/drawing/dreaming about an Aliens/Predator movie. I'm a fanboy. Proud of it. So much so, I've made it my life. So, yeah, we're Fonzie, coz. Lovin' it.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Doc/Alonzo...give it up or tag me as someone else please.

    by megpen

    Give it up. A few hours ago you said some other poster was Salerno. My guess is he's not either. BTW: Where the fuck is that guy now?? Again, for the record, my handle is megpen which is an acronymn for something funny and not connected to some shark movie on IMDB that I never heard of until you posted it.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 7:58 p.m. CST

    skywalker family. Alien 3 was also a good film.

    by megpen

    Particularly the director's cut. If Fincher had been able to deliver his original vision, I believe it would been a terrific movie. As it is, it's still pretty damn good. Flawed (too many hands involved) but pretty damn good. Visually it's stunning.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Indyjonez100

    by flipster

    get the elite if you can - the downloadable content XBox Live Arcade is worth the extra cash - never cut off your options ... you will need a hd for some games and game saves are pretty big these days.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Nice dodge, Salerno

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    With the meg thing being an inside joke acronymn we wouldn't understand. But you gotta get up Pretty Early in the Morning to put one over on the talkbackers, representing the finest minds ever gathered in one place.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 9:01 p.m. CST

    re Alien 3

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    I just have to say that Alien 3 is a good movie. By the way megpen I think Philbrick has a powerpoint waiting for you, you should check it out. Anyway, it seems I'm hitting all the bases for an AvP TB: 1) Rip the shit out of the current script 2) Reference Philbrick 3) State my regard for Alien 3.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 9:04 p.m. CST

    "finest minds ever gathered in one place."

    by Alonzo Mosely

    It's like the Manhattan project with more cursing and Doritos...

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 9:06 p.m. CST

    LOL, Alonzo

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Alonzo...that shit was funny.

    by megpen

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Yep, I want my money back

    by maverick2484

    It's an interesting coincidence that the second reviewer suggested seeing Sweeny Todd again instead of seeing this dreck. Last night, to kill time before our showing of AVP, we walked into Sweeny Todd (which we already saw a few days ago) and watched the first 15 mins or so. Watching it, I was reminded of what a great movie it was and how much I enjoyed it. Then, I made the unfortunate decision to check my watch and tell me friends that it was time to go to our theatre for AVP. My God, was this ever bad. Not even the fact that we smoked a joint before the movie could save it. It wasn't even "so bad it's good" bad, it was "my self-respect is lessened because I paid money to see this" bad. I think that my expectations for it were perfectly realistic; cool deaths, nice special effects, signs of respect for the source material of both respective creatures. I received none of this. Note to The Brothers Strause: filmming every fight scene in rain and in darkness while using extreme close ups doesn't make your film atmospheric, it makes it look cheap and shitty, which this is. Don't blame the writter for this...sure, the script sucks, but at least all the scenes with the asshole jock boyfriend got me laughing. Blame the hack directors who clearly don't know how to film a fight scene, and yet chose to make a film titled "Aliens versus Predator", which seems to suggest the likelihood of some fighting. The red band trailer litterally ruined every potentially cool moment in this movie, and as the second reviewer pointed out, other moments that may have seemed "cool" to the directors as they were conceiving them just make them look like exploitative assholes. Thank you, Brothers Strause, for showing me a dead pregnant woman, you sure have convinced me of your "hardcore" bona fides. If your geek instinct tells you that you absolutely must see this, as mine did, please download it illegally. I wouldn't normally advocate in favour of this, but honestly, I feel like Fox just took a dump on my chest with this movie. There are so many great movies out right now, like Sweeny Todd, Charlie Wilson's War, Juno, No Country for Old Men, Walk Hard, and the list goes on. Give these other films your money, they deserve it; AVP:R, on the other hand, deserves a swift, brutal box office death.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Mav - LOL - "Not even a joint could help it."

    by megpen

    "Not even the fact that we smoked a joint before the movie could save it." - Fucking funny.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 9:56 p.m. CST

    I AM SALERNO!!! MUAHAAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAA!!!!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    Who's Salerno?

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 9:57 p.m. CST

    The Blade Runner 5-disc collections out,,,get that

    by kirttrik

    and don't see this crap!

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Just Saw It...

    by Unimaginative_Moneyhungry_Hollywood

    The above reviews are right. About a quarter of the movie is set in the underground sewage system where the Aliens & Predators fight in shit; Funnily enough this is where the franchise has gone, so it is quite fitting. Who thought up this shit? A fox script writer /producer actually thought that having the movie set in modern day & fighting in sewage was a good idea?? Some apparent spoilers: Apparently the predalien can grow up to adult size in under 10 seconds (a record time). Apparently people evacuated the town, but during the evacuation everyone got out of their cars & vanished into thin air. Apparently the police officer was that shocked after he found the skinned body up in the tree that he forgot to tell the victims wife & went straight to the pub for beer. Apparently the police officer was evacuating the town, must have been doing it between beers. Apparently both the predator & predalien can be at many places at once; they toured around the power plant for a bit of fun & then went to the convenience store to purchase some shoes. Apparently the predator can only sees 3 aliens running around town, but then a whole battalion of marines gets wiped out just as they arrive in town by a random alien attack in the 20 seconds (another record I believe). Apparently the lead cliché characters had only two choices to make: to go to the hospital to fly the chopper or to go to the town square. Apparently there was no story other than going to the hospital or to the town square. Apparently a hive was created in the hospital during the few minutes the predalien was hanging around (yet another record time). Apparently the predalien can vomit baby aliens into pregnant woman’s mouths to spawn a litter of kittens.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 10:03 p.m. CST

    5 DISCS FOR BLADE RUNNER?

    by BringingSexyBack

    Good movie but what did they fill 5 discs with? Sean Young's sex tapes with James Woods?

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Terrible.

    by Scrolly

    I just got back from seeing this piece of shit. It's the cinematic equivalent of having somebody shit in your mouth then being forced to swallow. I'm not exaggerating. Save your money.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Isn't It 4 Discs?

    by LaserPants

    One disc is the new cut, one disc is the old directors cut, one is the international cut, and one is the original theatrical cut, then theres this 90 minute documentary, making of, and assorted other gewgaws packed onto one of those 4 discs. Probably overkill, but for my nerdcoin, its money well spent.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 10:19 p.m. CST

    BSB

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    This is going a little off-topic, but hasn't sexy already get brought back? I was under the impression that sexy, after a taking a temporary leave of absence, was thankfully with us again courtesy of JT bringing that searingly hot video where he bangs that smokin' spy chick roughly on top of a counter while ripping off her necklace. Or am I mistaken, and sexy is it still in the process of being broughten?

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Change "hasn't" to "didn't",

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    First sentence of my last post. I love this cutting edge self-editing software.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 10:25 p.m. CST

    CHOLERA'S GHOST

    by BringingSexyBack

    There's a lot of cheap, counterfeit sexy on the market. My sexy is the real deal, made in America. JT is our spokesman.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 10:28 p.m. CST

    IS THE SULACO THE SHIP RIPLEY, HICKS, NEWT AND BISHOP

    by BringingSexyBack

    escaped on? If that's the case you can see the Queen holding onto the ship as it took off. Take a look.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Thanks, BSB

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    For clarifying. Beware of counterfeit sexy people. JT gets it right. Back towards the end of '06 I was wondering "where has all the sexy gone"?, then that video brought sexy back like it hadn't even left.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 10:41 p.m. CST

    Was the queen carrying an egg?

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    If not veebeeyes is right about the ovipositor. Not that I REALLY care all that much in the end, but if I didn't like to discuss details about the Alien movies, then why should I even be here?

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 10:42 p.m. CST

    Anyone Remember ALIENS For The Commodore 64?

    by LaserPants

    Man, I loved that game. There was a great part where you had one of them thar radar doohickeys and ya had to guide yr peeps to safety. Pretty sure the last screen was the battle betwixt Ripley-in-Loader and the Alien High Priestess Lady. It was great. for the time. And you know they never made a satisfying game out of the ALIENS franchise for any of the more advanced homesystems. You'd think itd be a gimme. Would it be that hard to make a really good ALIENS game? I guess any first person shoot with Aliens is derived from Aliens, but how about a direct translation of the ALIENS universe into a cool action-survival-horror-adventure game.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 10:52 p.m. CST

    LaserPants

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    Have you ever played AvP2 for the PC as a colonial marine? First person action survival horror adventure, one of the funnest I've ever had the pleasure to play. It took place on some other "LV" planet, but it was great in how well it followed the vehicles, weapons, etc. from the films. You get the weapons such as the smartgun and assault rifle as seen in Aliens. Playing as alien and predator was fucking awesome as well. I got through marine and predator on hardcore without dying, and it was, basically, the pinnacle of my game-playing career. If anyone remembers the multiplayer for that, I was that guy who was the greatest player on the internet.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 11:02 p.m. CST

    The queen climbed on the landing gear.

    by veebeeyes

    Dropship got caught on debris, queen climbed on. Pretty obvious.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 11:02 p.m. CST

    ALIENS 2

    by Unimaginative_Moneyhungry_Hollywood

    We all forget that Alien 3 & Resurrection existed, Newt & Hicks didn't die, Cameron & Ridely team up to Aliens 2. Rewite history, it's the only way to salvage the franchise. Nuke the franchise from orbit, it's the only way to be sure. The Aliens 2 storey could go something like this: a Terminator goes back in time to build a space ship in the sewer.... ah forget it... nails in the coffin.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Why don't they get it? Humans should not be in these movies!

    by DarthCorleone

    Aliens hissing. Acid dripping. Predators chortling victoriously as they self-destruct. Those three-pronged lasers zeroing in on an alien cranium before cratering it. An alien inner mandible puncturing a predator for a deathblow. One hour and forty minutes of pure Alien vs. Predator action. No dialogue - like a fucking National Geographic documentary without the narration. That's what I want to see. Sure, it would be a tough sell, but at least it would be different, and it could make for some great efforts in the realm of unspoken suspense. From the sound of this spectacular character development, why even bother adding the goddamn humans? So stupid.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Never Played That Cholera

    by LaserPants

    I'm more of a console gamer than a computer gamer (which means I miss out on alot of great computer stuff), but it sounds coolness! The designs for the Colonial Marines and their weapons and tech are effing cool as sh*t! Love to see a really good console game based in the ALIENS universe.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Fuc% you, all you ...

    by Zerofun

    ... small penis haters. I almost didn't go see this because of all the bad shit I was reading.. and you know what .. it was a solid 7/10. of course it was a bit weak in some parts but so are allot of movies. this was leaps and bounds better than the first AVP. A decent first for new directors. If they make another one in space ill be in line to see it.. FYI how many of you posers thought "Hatchet" was good.. it had shit loads of positive reviews and it suck balls. Ill agree that AVPR is no Alien or Predator .. but its not supposed to be, this movie was geared towards a different audience, and maybe it could be more like the originals but, does it need to be ? Hopefully people see this and they (FOX) realize that they can, and should make some more stand alone alien and predator movies, at that time I think they should work on allot more story .. but this movie was supposed to be WWF .. not an Ali fight. In the end its not perfect but it did what it was attempting to do.. and I left the theater feeling that I got what I wanted .. unlike the first(AVP). Now that im satisfied lets get a new predator movie and another aliens down the road. I say predator first because its been a long time, and they are a bit more interesting than aliens which would have to revolve around humans. In the end all you critics.. STFU. You can find something wrong with anything if you look hard enough. Just look at your lives.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Lose the Predators and...

    by Dr Hemlock

    ...let's go see the Aliens' home world. There's potential in that idea.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 11:19 p.m. CST

    DarthCorleone, I Agree 100%

    by LaserPants

    I think it should even be done as if it actually were a Galactic National Geographic special. Maybe. I'd love to see something really arty and intense like that -- just immerse you in this alien environment where the story would be told without dialogue, other than whatever alien speak the Preds use, but even then, sparsely. I think it could be effing great, and might even do better than the crap they keep churning out. It could certainly get some indie cred for a weird move like that.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Aliens sequel...

    by veebeeyes

    I've always thought that a good way to do a sequel to Aliens would be to have had Weyland Yutani smuggling Alien eggs off of LV-426 for the entire duration of the colony's existence. I mean, if they really did NOT know about the existance of the "space jockey" spaceship and the eggs contained within, it seems to be pretty damn convenient that the spaceship and the colony were located close enough for the colonists to find it. Not to mention the fact that they would have to be pretty close together for the explosion to take out the spaceship. That's just too convenient. Surely before establishing the colony, they would have searched for suitable locations from orbit, using high resolution orbital telescopes. You'd think someone would have noticed the spacecraft, and that would have been the deciding factor in where to place the colony. They then don't tell the colonists about it. And for the next 20 years, the colony gets periodic visits by "inspectors" who use the colony as a base of operations for covertly smuggling Alien eggs off of the planet. Meanwhile, Carter Burke, one of the Weyland Yutani employees NOT granted access to information pertaining to the Aliens, learns about the existence of the Aliens from Ripley, and takes it upon himself to order the colonists to investigate. An infestation occurs, and Carter Burke has to simultaneously try to cover his tracks and ensure the acquisition of Aliens, the whole time being completely unaware that Weyland Yutani has had Aliens in its possession for well over 20 years. Okay, it may be a bit of a stretch to think that Burke was in a position to act autonomously enough for that to happen, but it would explain the convenient location of Hadley's Hope with regards to why the colony was only overrun after Ripley was found. Anyway, I always thought that was the logical setup for Alien 3. If the alien spacecraft was close enough to the colony to be taken out in the nuclear explosion, then the company damn well should have known of its existance. And if the spacecraft was far enough away to not be taken out in the explosion, there's your setup for Alien 3 right there.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 11:33 p.m. CST

    worthless fanboy c**ksuckers....

    by MeanJoeGreeneDay

    -Toulon wasn't using a metaphor. They actually kill newborns, pregnant women and little kids in in this piece of shit. You might be impervious to insult, but this tends to piss normal people off. You miserable mutants might actually get off on that, who knows? Look, I've been nuts about these movies since my dad took me to ALIEN in the theater in '79. Seen every goddamned one on opening day. There are some lines you don't cross. Maiming infants and preggers is one of those. You idiotic, dipshit, never-left-your-parents-house, running-the-local-blockbuster sacks of mucus are the reason the last AVP made just enough $$$ for Fox to pony up for another one. You have only yourselves to blame. p.s. I blame all of you for the Star Wars Prequels too. Rot in hell.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 11:33 p.m. CST

    worthless fanboy c**ksuckers....

    by MeanJoeGreeneDay

    -Toulon wasn't using a metaphor. They actually kill newborns, pregnant women and little kids in in this piece of shit. You might be impervious to insult, but this tends to piss normal people off. You miserable mutants might actually get off on that, who knows? Look, I've been nuts about these movies since my dad took me to ALIEN in the theater in '79. Seen every goddamned one on opening day. There are some lines you don't cross. Maiming infants and preggers is one of those. You idiotic, dipshit, never-left-your-parents-house, running-the-local-blockbuster sacks of mucus are the reason the last AVP made just enough $$$ for Fox to pony up for another one. You have only yourselves to blame. p.s. I blame all of you for the Star Wars Prequels too. Rot in hell.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 11:34 p.m. CST

    LaserPants, yes I did play that!

    by DarthCorleone

    I played the Apple IIE version, but I think they were essentially the same. It was a fantastic game. If I remember correctly, I never did figure out to get past the Alien Queen in the second-to-last level when you're carrying Newt back out, but I think there was a skip-level option that enabled me to play the last level for the loader battle. The level of which I have the most vivid memory is making your way through the maze and being forced to self-detonate marines in order to repel the aliens that came at you. Graphically, it was a very simple interface that wasn't much different from a Pacman clone, but I was hooked by that point.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 11:42 p.m. CST

    Hi! MeanJoeGreeneDay,

    by Zerofun

    Take your pills, self righteous douche bag.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 11:52 p.m. CST

    I don't see a problem with killing babies...

    by veebeeyes

    As long as there's a good reason for it. In Aliens, James Cameron killed EVERYONE, men, women and children. Of course, he didn't SHOW babies getting killed, but I've never been of the opinion that it's okay to kill babies as long as I don't see it. If you're gonna do stuff like blow up New York City or nuke Los Angeles, babies are gonna die. I see nothing wrong with showing the effects of Los Angeles getting nuked. The only thing is that it shouldn't be done cruelly. For example, John Hurt's scene in Alien was gruesome and fucked up, but the Baby Alien's death scene in Alien Resurrection was just plain CRUEL. Not sure which category the death scenes are in AVP2, since I haven't seen it yet. I opted to watch No Country For Old Men instead. But let me just say this...if the scene is done in such a way that you feel like you're NOT supposed to enjoy it, I'm fine with that. If it's done in such a way that you get the impression that you're supposed to think that it's cool, then that's tasteless and mean-spirited. Not sure which one applies to AVP2, but I have absolutely no inherent objections to seeing babies eaten by Aliens. It's not inherently wrong, it's only wrong if you do it wrong.

  • Dec. 26, 2007, 11:53 p.m. CST

    I SUPPORT MEANJOEGREENEDAY'S POST ON THIS ONE

    by BringingSexyBack

    Too many movies do cross the line of decency and should get called out. How that has to do with "self-righteousness" must be obvious only to you, Zero.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 12:01 a.m. CST

    to BringingSexyBack

    by Zerofun

    my reply was aimed more at the "worthless fanboy c**ksuckers...." and lets not forget "idiotic, dipshit, never-left-your-parents-house, running-the-local-blockbuster sacks of mucus are the reason the last AVP made just enough $$$" I also was a little bugged by the infant killings.. all though i dont remember seeing them killed or dead.. but as for the pregnant women .. they are fair game IMO.. and its self righteous any time you preach morals on a forum like this ..

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 12:09 a.m. CST

    ZERO - OKAY I CATCH YOUR MEANING

    by BringingSexyBack

    I suppose if the aliens do Jamie Lynn Spears away, they'll be doing America a huge favor.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 1:15 a.m. CST

    Hey Zerofun...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...what other talkbacks have you posted in?

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 1:18 a.m. CST

    'Cholera

    by DocPazuzu

    You made through hardcore without getting killed once? Damn, that's amazing. I consider myself a pretty good FPSer but I got shafted countless times playing it. Of course, it may have had something to do with the pants-filling terror I felt at virtually every point of the game.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 1:25 a.m. CST

    "BTW: Where the fuck is that guy now??"

    by DocPazuzu

    Yeah, megpen, where is that guy? I've looked everywhere in the talkback and there is simply no sign of him whatsoever. <p> How... odd.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 2:22 a.m. CST

    DocPazuzu

    by Zerofun

    none .. but i read the talk backs allot and visit the site regularly. im not a plat, i wish i was lucky enough to be in the movie making business..

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 2:25 a.m. CST

    Demode: there IS an ALIEN 3 special edition

    by Vern

    It's on the ALIEN QUADRILOGY box set, a box set so good they had to invent a new word to describe it. Fincher refused to be a part of it because of his tortured past with the movie, but the editor of the movie oversaw completion of a new cut based on Fincher's work print. Personally I think it does improve on the studio version although I still can't tell all those bald British dudes apart and the chase through the tunnels is still strangely un-terrifying.<p> I always thought it was CGI aliens too but it's actually a rod puppet that's green-screened into the footage which makes it look computery even though it's not. If I remember right the composite is improved in the special edition. The documentaries have some pretty impressive footage of all the dudes required to control the puppet. Also there's a hilariously failed test where they put a baby alien costume on a greyhound.<p> I haven't seen A.V.P. dash R yet (I'll probaly give it a shot despite my better judgment) but I gotta say it's sad to see people saying you can't expect quality. I mean it's bad enough people use that excuse for the TRANSFORMERS picture but for fuck's sake, you never seen ALIEN or ALIENS before? Or even PREDATOR. Not a masterpiece like those other two, but a hell of a fun action movie. That's all we ask and no, it's not too much to ask. If you are a filmatist and you can't be bothered to at least aspire to a PREDATOR 2 level of quality then hang it up and go fuckin work in a factory or warehouse or somewhere like the rest of us.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 2:33 a.m. CST

    FOX is pure SHYT! Avatar will be good due to Cameron's clout.

    by The Founder

    I just refuse to see AvP2. I know FOX and them brain dead directors phucked this movie up worse then the 1st.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 2:39 a.m. CST

    Melting bodies

    by Grim_Rictus

    The Cleaner Pred was only melting Alien carcasses and host bodies. He skinned the cop, because that is what Preds do. He was eliminating every trace of Alien life, but the Preds have never seemed to give a fuck about covering-up their own body count. Also, look close at the Predalien's head; it has a crest at the back, like a Queen. Who knows how an Alien becomes a Queen (besides being born one), but it makes sense that the first Alien born can metamorphose and start a new hive. And one more thing: Aliens have always grown fast. In the first movie, it grows from the size of a fist into an NBA star in less than a day (and eats what?). So AVP went a little overboard, but if the Pred ship was in orbit for even 8 hours, I'd buy the timing.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 2:47 a.m. CST

    Zerofun

    by DocPazuzu

    Just another in a long line of coincidences, right?

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 2:48 a.m. CST

    The all powerful Vern is here, he should use his magic...

    by Alonzo Mosely

    summoning powers and bring the scriptwriter into this thread... Oh, wait, too late...

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 3:03 a.m. CST

    Richard For Sheriff!

    by Dallasalad

    Right Shane? I mean jg9817. I mean Megpen. I mean Zerofun. I enjoy your film and television work. We all enjoy your work. Talkbacks included. Please continue writing. Thank you, and of course, Merry Christmas.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 3:29 a.m. CST

    DocPaz

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    I don't know why exactly I decided to get all hardcore about not dying, maybe because it dramatically heightened the already insanely tense atmosphere if you play like you're the character with one life to live. I saw it was possible if you used strategery and relied on maximizing the tools at your disposal, (and using Liam Neeson's admonition to "mind your surroundings") so I took my time, was cautious and defensive just like I would be if actually in the situation, and only got all mindless gun-blazing Rambo when the situation called for it (and it often did, fortunately I had the ammo to pull through when the shit hit the fan). You're right about the atmosphere though, it was fucking crazy--The part near the beginning where you go after your female comrade deep in the dark, goo-covered colony and then you hear the sounds of the hive stirring in all directions around you in the darkness--Christ! Anyway, marine was a definitely harder to survive than Predator, and I literally came within an inch of dying just at the end. One of the praetorians at the end hive survived my sniper fire and hit me with what might have been a fatal blow just as I was jumping onto the dropship to end the game. I actually felt like I was the bloodied character making the hairsbreadth escape as I hit the deck in the cinema scene. It was probably the best dramatic rush I could ever get from a PC game. The alien campaign was tough because everything was hand-to-hand (or teeth-to-head, as it were), so it was virtually impossible for me to get through without biting it from a sentry gun or plasmacaster once or thirty times. Forgive the long, wistful AvP2 story, but ah, those were good memories. Haven't really played any FSP too much since around then, but I should.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 3:38 a.m. CST

    there's no way Salerno wrote that biography

    by Vern

    I refuse to believe somebody would bring up ARMAGEDDON first if they were listing their own life accomplishments. Even if they were going alphabetical. In fact, any reasonable person with that kind of dark event in their past would go out and write a movie called ABATOIRE or ARMAGANDA or something just to move that humilation lower on the list.<P> I wish there was some way we could ask him what he has to say for himself on that one. "They cut out everything I wrote" would be a good starting defense followed by "Bruce Willis was not a talkbacker at that point and taking the job was my only way to ask him questions about DIE HARD." I personally would claim I had been kidnapped and taken blindfolded to a warehouse and not told what I was working on and that I do charity work every year on the anniversary of its release.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 4:26 a.m. CST

    Say what you will about AVP-R, but its #1 right now.

    by Mike_D

    And when I was at the theatre to watch it, it was a packed house. A lot of people seemed to really enjoy it. A lot of fanboys will hate it though, this will end up like X-MEN 3.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 4:32 a.m. CST

    Oh, sorry, its #3 right now. Family movies took 1st and 2nd.

    by Mike_D

    Not bad for a rated-R film opening on x-mas day if you ask me.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 4:40 a.m. CST

    OH and Vern-

    by Mike_D

    You HAVE to write a review for AVP-R after you see it. I think you'll enjoy it. Its like "Planet Terror" meets "Aliens"...and "Predator"...yea.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 5:32 a.m. CST

    'Cholera

    by DocPazuzu

    I remember the mission you're referring to. What freaked me out about the damn game was how little use the motion sensor was at times since the aliens would often remain utterly immobile until you happened to pass the panel behind which they were hiding, at which point they burst forth and it was, to quote Neill Cumpston, "pants, meet shit." <p> I always like to play the way you mentioned, where I actually AM the player of the game as much as possible. I can still remember the thrill of playing Duke Nukem 3D back in 1996 and hearing bullets ping on the walls behind me as I scrambled for cover. I actually found myself ducking in the chair for a moment. Good times, good times...

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 6:11 a.m. CST

    CHUD vs AICN

    by DocPazuzu

    Interesting exchange between Mori and Nunziata in the CHUD boards yesterday regarding the AvP2 script review fracas. <p>

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 6:45 a.m. CST

    I wish Salerno...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...had the balls to admit he's here and debate his work above board. At least the Core guy and Demon Dave put up a decent fight and didn't bitch out like pussyboy Salerno.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 7:21 a.m. CST

    GAAAAAAAAH!!! I Saw it. My Eyes! MY EYES!!

    by Yeti

    Ok the problem with AVP-R isn't that it's bad (except fot two or three lines which made EVERYONE giggle) it's that we've seen this so many times before it's simply ceased to be suspenseful or scary.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 7:23 a.m. CST

    I liked Alien 3

    by Abominable Snowcone

    I'll go on record as saying I'm a fan of Alien 3. Is it the best Alien movie? Naw. But it took it's time. I like the darkness of it, the despair. And it's still the real Ripley, not a clone, and she's become resigned to her fate. She flat out tells the prisoners "you'll die." She insists on the Newt autopsy, and on Charles Dutton killing her when she learns she's "pregnant." I also liked the twist with the "Runner" alien having been bred from a dog (or a bull, depending on which version you see). One thing that didn't make a lot of sense about that movie, though. The gestation time for the queen in Ripley takes the whole movie, whereas other films have the doomed host buy the farm rather quickly. You can explain this away and say, well, it takes longer for a queen to develop. If that's the case, shouldn't the Runner alien have been a queen? I mean, what determines that an alien will be a queen? How do they know when there aren't other queens around and they'll need a new "hive leader" to lay eggs?

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 7:24 a.m. CST

    say what Mike D??

    by lb

    'Its like "Planet Terror" meets "Aliens"...and "Predator"...yea.' I hope this is sarcasm. I hope to God that this is the end of this stupid franchise...they have killed 3 franchises because of it.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 7:26 a.m. CST

    AVP: Awesome

    by critch

    I'm not sure what people were expecting from this. AVP 2 was exactly what it was advertised to be, and pretty much the best we were gonna get. I thought it was incredible that we got as much Predator and Alien screen time as we got. There was a love for the franchise coming through in everything from the music to the opening credits. I dug it. And I don't have a problem with the aliens killing kids and such. They've been set up over 5 movies and comics and all sorts of media to be nothing more than vicious killing machines bred for eating and breeding. They have acid for blood, for pete's sake. It's perfectly in character and not offensive for evil aliens to kill children/babies/pregnant women, and it's refreshing to see that some directors don't puss out. Lets kill another golden retriever in the next one, and then have more badass glaive throwing, bullwhip slingin', shotgun weilding predators come in to shut them down. I especially like how they fit this in with the origin of Weyland-Yutani. Everyone complaining about "How can aliens be on Earth? Everyone would know in the future!" is shut up completely. I liked it :-) As with most movies released this year that the AICN community hated, I enjoyed. Bring on Aliens vs. Predators!

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 7:26 a.m. CST

    Yeti, I agree

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Back in '87 when I saw Predator at the theatres, I went with friends based solely on the fact that it was the newest "Arnold movie" at the time. I had no idea it was about some whacked-out hunter monster from space. Going in ignorant made it a lot of fun, and I was pretty blown away. And in that first Predator, McTiernan seemed to follow Speilberg's "Jaws" rule. Don't show too much of the Predator. And when they do start showing him, you don't even get a full body shot.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 7:32 a.m. CST

    F**K YOU ALL AHAHAHAH

    by gothikvampire

    i bet avp-r rocks and i still didn´t saw it and i say this because of the stupid reviews i read here . some people say it isn´t scary AHAHHAHA it´s the 8th movie of the series how could it fucking scare anyone only if your ten years old i mean is there even any scary movie these days fuck nooooo its been made millions of horror movies already and they all become predictable like that horrendous resident evil jesus christ you could guess everything what was gonna happen in that pile of trash of a movie and dont anyone tell me that the ring or blair witch project are scary AHAHHAHA the ring the monster is a f+++++g litlle girl and the blair witch is the worst movie ever made in the history of cinema even i could do that pile of shit i would just go to the middle of the woods whit some friends and at night go to a tend and make a noise and start screaming and running and the next night the same shit again wooooo isn´t that scary AHHAHA another thing of your reviews is the actors and the speech omg if you saw an alien in the middle of the woods in front of you what the fuck would you say i bet omg or just scream would you like tom cruise and nicole kidman as actors saying poetry wend they saw an alien lolllll who cares about the humans anyway they are there just to help having more action this is not alien 5 or predator 3 its alien vs predator the name says it all . sorry for the english i´m portuguese

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 7:35 a.m. CST

    The Predator needs more confidence

    by Spandau Belly

    I think the Predator needs to believe in himself more. Maybe get in shape and date a younger woman and have a little trip back to the house he grew up in and then pause to look at all his awards and remember that he can carry a film. He doesn't need an Alien or Freddy or Mighty Mouse or whoever, he can do it. I've even got ideas for the title, I was thinking PREDATOR 3 or PREDATOR III.<br><br>I always picture the Alien and the Predator teaming up like the end of that CHICAGO movie musical where Velma comes to see Roxie and says that nobody will pay to just see one murderer dance and sing anymore so they should team up. Roxie replies "But we hate each other." and Velma retorts that show business is the only business where that doesn't matter. Only, from what I understand, the Predator and the Alien don't use tommyguns to write their names in a big wall of lights in AVP. I haven't seen either AVP, but I assume if they did that whole dance thing they would've got a better reception.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 8:02 a.m. CST

    Less than 20 days

    by Abominable Snowcone

    until Rambo. I'm going to come!

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 8:18 a.m. CST

    DAMM YOU FOX

    by Mr_X

    you were dammed a long long time ago. You need a clean sweep. fire all those exec and get some people in who actually like watching movies

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 9:26 a.m. CST

    still want to know what 'requiem' refers to.

    by zom-bot.com

    the death of two franchises?<P> i mean i am a diehard fan of most anything alien or predator. one of those guys that will pluck those nuggets of accuracy out of the shit sequels and polish them off. i went into AVPR knowing i wouldn't be 'fanboy happy' but hoping there would be something i could hold onto...but there isn't much. so i don't easily rant out how much it mostly sucks, i really does hurt me to say so, that maybe the ship has been steered too far off course. <P>then again, we thought that after schumacher's last batman. so maybe A & P are due for a total reboot in a few more years.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Holly Shit,the TB is still on!

    by travis-dane

    Nice to see how many people are real ALIEN fans and defend it to the end!And VERN is right the ALIEN QUADRILOGY box set is AWESOME!

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 9:38 a.m. CST

    The Playstation 1 had a ALIEN TRILOGY game...

    by travis-dane

    and it was very good.I remember the C-64 game and it was really good for the time,landing the Dropship in the begining was really tough,failed a 1000 times.But I think there where two ALIENS games for C-64,maybe somebody knows more?

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 9:42 a.m. CST

    Holy rape of a good concept Batman!

    by crackerfarmboy

    What a shame they can't get this cool idea right. Alien, Aliens, and Predator remain the only films from these franchises that I care about.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 9:43 a.m. CST

    ps1 alien trilogy

    by zom-bot.com

    - was good for a doom-clone ps1 FPS....man, i may have to go buy that again. it even had a level of the crashed alien ship...thumbs up.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 9:53 a.m. CST

    travis-dane

    by DocPazuzu

    There was an Alien Trilogy game for the PC which I think was ported from a console and it sucked assballs. I remember at the time how Fox put the kibosh on an Aliens mod which some guy had made for the original Quake. It was fucking amazing for a homemade game and easily outclassed the official Fox product. There was even a fantastic secret level which was set on the Nostromo.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 10:21 a.m. CST

    DocPazuzu,you are right...

    by travis-dane

    I forgot they put it on PC too.Never played it on PC,but on PS1 it was good and it really had a level on the old spaceship where the Alien came from,almost forgot about that one(old times)!There was an AvP game for ATARI JAGUAR and PS2 but I dont know if they are any good.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 10:41 a.m. CST

    hell there was even an alien3 nintendo game

    by zom-bot.com

    it sucked, but of course i bought it. you couldn't really have a game with just one alien in it.<P>was the ps1 game the one that had the drooling face and a soundfile of paxton's 'game over man' when you died?

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 10:47 a.m. CST

    zom-bot.com,I dont remember...

    by travis-dane

    but it had PS1 CGI clips from all three movies(Dropship landing,APC action)looked very cool in 96.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 10:49 a.m. CST

    I thought...

    by rxse7en

    AvP-R was a fine AvP movie. Now get back to making Aliens! All three franchises can exist and compete for our viewing dollars. Though my money is on Alien.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 10:51 a.m. CST

    DocPazuzu

    by Zerofun

    Why is anyone who enjoyed the movie a plant?

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 10:55 a.m. CST

    I can't believe these bad reviews

    by Knightsong

    We have been let down with these films with everything that came after Aliens and the original Predator. This movie is the best sequel since like 1987! Quick run down: Predator 2-meh, Alien 3=Sucked, Alien Resurrection=Sucked , AVP=huge let down. AVPR is great fun. And as for sitting through Sweeny Todd again...I'll pass. Like Nightmare Before Christmas it is overrated and could have had a half hour or more chopped out of it completely. Tim Burton is quickly becoming one of the most overrated Directors of our time. He doesn't need to make R-Rated musicals with people bleeding copious amounts of tomato sauce, or Super Hero movies, or anything with Apes. He needs to be restricted to PG-13 Emo Dramas that play to his core demographic of fans: females ages 12-19.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 10:56 a.m. CST

    You all BLOW!!!!

    by v1

    So yeah, I posted my take on AVPR, to include some re imagining of what I thought could have been a good scene in the movie. I was looking forward to opening this TB today and see at least a couple of comments on my take of the movie. Nada... Yet the Megpen/MOM/Salerno crap continues... You all blow... I'm just saying... <p> I'm going to go wallow in my self pity now.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 11:07 a.m. CST

    BSB

    by Abominable Snowcone

    The Sulaco was the name of the main military vessel. The ship that Bishop, Ripley & Co. escape on was one of the two shuttle-type ships. But yeah, I know what you mean. When they take off from the platform, the landing struts get caught on some debris, and Bishop struggles with the controls to free the ship, and I think you can see the Queen hitching a ride. That crazy Queen.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Shit,there are really a lot of Alien games...

    by travis-dane

    I even to this day have the pen and paper roleplaying game from Leading Edge for Aliens!That`s a really awesome RPG!

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 11:15 a.m. CST

    ALIEN atari game

    by zom-bot.com

    i mean the old cartridge thing! anyone remember? it was basically a pacman style thing, but you were a stickfigure with a flamethrower and the ALIEN graphic was pretty detailed, for atari..long head, tail, etc. the screen was just blue and the graphics were white. OMG, i'm old.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 11:15 a.m. CST

    believe the reviews

    by comicgeekoidtoo

    it blew worse than the first.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 11:15 a.m. CST

    believe the reviews

    by comicgeekoidtoo

    it blew worse than the first.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 11:18 a.m. CST

    aliens RPG figures

    by zom-bot.com

    hell, like any shitty comic book store worth their salt, our local one still has those fuckers on the shelf, dusty, outdated and still the same price they ever were.<P>comic book stores don't believe in sales to clear out old merch, do they? they assume everything just goes up with age. i've worked at two diff and those guys are the stingiest fuckers ever, and would rather have stock rot on the shelf than sell dusty, sun-bleached shit at any cut rate.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 11:20 a.m. CST

    RT rating is only 13% rotten

    by Abominable Snowcone

    At one point yesterday, it jumped from 14% to 25%, but as more reviews come in the score drops.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 11:20 a.m. CST

    like a comic book store too stubborn to change..

    by zom-bot.com

    so it seems AICN will always have this shitty talk format from 1997 because it may take 20 minutes out of their media viewing lives to update it. if it ain't broke, don't fix it, eh? <P>well the TB and site are broke...and dusty, and sunbleached, and you guys really need to update to at least the level of your worst competition.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Megpen

    by Macstone

    "Visually it's stunning."?????? Seen A3 a couple of times. Sorry bud, but the cinamatography had a color palette consisting of just brown. <p> Bottom line on A3: The story fit logically with A1 and A2. I however find it good to watch when I'm trying to go to sleep.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 11:39 a.m. CST

    zom-bot.com,you nailed it...

    by travis-dane

    with your comic book store theory.Never ever cut the price!ASSHOLES!And there was a Predator C-64 game,where you drop out of a chopper and walk from left to right and once in a while the screen turned into heat vision and you knew the Predator was there.Never finished that one.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Abominable Snowcone

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    One interesting theory I heard on Alien 3 was that the runner alien was a hunter-killer developed first to clear out all competition in the area where the new queen was to be born.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST

    "the Core guy"

    by Alonzo Mosely

    That guy doesn't get enough love in the recount of AICN TBers brushes with actual Hollywood people. Sure he is not as insane as Demon Dave or a huge star like Willis, but that fucker came into a TB to defend the science of his movie against the ignorant TBers, got his ass handed to him by some MIT graduate student (or something similar), fought valiantly on and in the end, actually started emailing us individually (you could click on a user name at that time and get an email address) begging us to go see the movie, offering $10 refunds if we didn't enjoy it...

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 12:50 p.m. CST

    any one see Hatchet?

    by classyfredblassy

    Local Video Store has the unrated version for cheap. Any good? Oh yeah, Fuck AVP-R. That sounds like the new Honday mini SUV any how.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 1 p.m. CST

    Zerofun

    by DocPazuzu

    Not everyone who likes the film is a plant, only the ones who have never posted anywhere else on AICN before and say things like "c'mon guys, this is the best we're going to get" or "Well I for one was entertained, period" and/or refer to box office as if it is a validation.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 1:03 p.m. CST

    classyfredblassy

    by Zerofun

    if you like hatchet .. then IMO you will like AVPr more.. Hatchet is just a slasher flick .. nothing new at all.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 1:10 p.m. CST

    DocPazuzu

    by Zerofun

    well, i liked it .. if the first one wasnt so bad then maybe i wouldnt have liked this one so much.. I guess it would be more accurate to say this one has short comings but is much more satisfying that the first one, for me anyway. I agree with one of the other posters that said both franchises need a reboot .. much like Batman and to a lesser extent Superman(good example of what happens when you go to much into the story and leave out what the people want to see). As for this being my first talk back.. everyone has to start at some point.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Choleras Ghost

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Makes sense, I guess, to have a "cleaner" to neutralize an area in preparation for a new queen / hive. Still, makes ya wonder how Ripley would know "There's one inside me...it's a queen." Even given her experience battling a queen in Aliens, I doubt she's so versed in xenomorph physiology that she could know what a neonatal queen looks like from her "sonogram." I suppose it was just a guess on her part, knowing that in a new place one of the first-born aliens would have to be a queen. Damn, I'm a geek.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Similarities between "Planet Terror" and "AVP-R"

    by Mike_D

    Are this: <br> <br> -Small town being overrun by creatures <br> -Town sheriff giving the survivors weapons <br> -helicopter escape <br> -cheesy dialouge <br> <br> I enjoyed it though.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Haven't seen it yet

    by Abominable Snowcone

    But is the alien infestation of the small town anything like the all-at-night infestation occurring in "Gremlins?" How cool would it be to get on the No. 86 bus, and you walk up the steps, and the driver (with hat on) turns to you, and it's a friggin' alien, and he gives you one of those big nasty grins, then blows your face out? Fuckin' scha-weet.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 1:35 p.m. CST

    This movie was missing the bar-b-que resteraunt owner!

    by Mike_D

    I would have give it 5 stars if there was a scene where the sheriff tries to steal the bar-b-que recipe from the "Bone Shack" owner.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Totally off subject...but...

    by skimn

    Just wanted to drop a thanks to those who urged me to watch Equilibrium. Knew very little about it, outside that the always good Christian Bale starred and it came out around the time of Matrix. Nice mash up of Farenheit 451, 1984, a little THX1138, and a dash of Blade Runner for the blimps. Gun-fu rules! And had to love Bale's little smile at the end. Nice choice fellow AICN'ers....

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Fox is in desperate need...

    by poeticwarriorII

    of an enema. Fuck Fox, how does a studio go from being associated with Star Wars to this fucking dreck. Seriously, quit making fucking films you B-movie shit house!!! You'd think as poorly as FFino did they'd get the fucking hint. That dumbfuck that's in charge needs to have his ass canned and shot.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Figures the Predator ship crashes...

    by Abominable Snowcone

    ...in Podunk, Colorado or whatever. It would be too cool to have it crash in New York City or Chicago. It had to be a small, backwoods town with a tobacky-chewin' sheriff and a couple main characters (if you can call them "main") who just get back to town after jail time or military duty, and the town is small enough that everyone is aware of their return. Come to think of it, if the ship crashed in New York, the aliens would LOSE. There's so many people there that no one would care about a few hundred people getting offed by aliens. Plus, after 911, NYers stick together and are more resilient than ever. Oh, and it definitely figures that the ship had to crash in the continental united states, because, if it crashed like, in another country, who cares, right? Because it's all about America. Why not have it crash in a rainforest? The Predators would LOVE that shit. There's your damn movie. Plus, we'd get to see aliens frolic diurnally, in daylight, which I don't think we've ever seen before. And "Dutch" from the first Predator could just HAPPEN to be there in the jungle, camping or something. With his daughter--Jenny, from Commando. I'd pay $8.50 ten times over to hear Arnold yelling, "RUN JINNY! Get to DA CHOPPA!! Go--NAWWW!"

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Does anyone in AvP-R

    by Abominable Snowcone

    smack the predator with a shovel and say, "Take THAT pussyface!"<p> If not, I'm not sure it's worth my money.<p> Does anyone refer to the "Hunter's Moon" or say that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend?" Because without those golden nuggets of dialogue, I'm so NOT there.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Howard the Duck Vs Alien Vs. Predator

    by classyfredblassy

    My money is on the duck

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Howard the Duck Vs Alien Vs. Predator

    by classyfredblassy

    My money is on the duck

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Howard the Duck Vs Alien Vs. Predator

    by classyfredblassy

    My money is on the duck

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 2:01 p.m. CST

    In AvP-R do any of the aliens...

    by Abominable Snowcone

    ...or Predator wear a bottle cap necklace? Cuz that would be AWESOME. Get it--series continuity.<p> Speaking of the first AvP, what ever became of "Lexy," the heroine? You see her walk away at the end after the predators take off. Why wouldn't the government grab her and use her as a consultant in the new movie, assuming the government learns of what happened during AvP. You'd think they WOULD know. It's not like a Forbes CEO like Charles Bishop Wayland could just disappear without people knowing.<p> Another thought just occurred to me. Allowing the human characters some space in these monster movies goes a long way. I'll bet any of my fellow geeks here could name most, if not all, the crew of the Nostromo, and most or all of the crew (grunts and staff) in Aliens. See? But Aliens, AR or AvP? Forget it. Everyone was bantha fodder. Shit, I can even remember characters from Aliens like Wierzbowski, Ferro, and Deitrich, and they had almost no screen time at all. And I still want to have sex with that fine taco known as Vasquez.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 2:05 p.m. CST

    I repeat myself when under stress...

    by classyfredblassy

    I repeat myself when under stress...

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 2:05 p.m. CST

    sexy needs constant bringing back

    by ironic_name

    the price of sexy is eternal vigilance.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 2:09 p.m. CST

    M-O-M

    by Abominable Snowcone

    If AvP had one or two redeeming things, one was that Lexy, on finding Mr. Exposition Guy trapped in a cocoon, shoots him. Without even knowing he'd been impregnated for sure, if I recall. Which means she shot him just because, well, she realized how good for nothing he was.<p> If I'm understanding the premise of AvP correctly, are we to accept that Predators would visit the earliest human civilizations, be worshipped, and influence early human architecture and language? And that those early peoples split off into mayans, aztecs, incas, etc? And if the big hunt occurred every hundred years or so, are we to assume that the young predators were successful in 1904? Were there Antarctica hunts in 1804? 1704? If so, who were the human hosts? Because we know those ancient indian people couldn't have still been around in the 1600-1700s, because by then Antarctica was the frozen wasteland it is now.<p> Do Predators celebrate halloween? What would they dress up as?

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 2:12 p.m. CST

    'that fine taco known as Vasquez'

    by zom-bot.com

    that actress is one of cameron's favorites. she's a real chameleon, but she was an irish mother in titanic, furlong's stepmom in T2, a vampire in near dark (no cameron, but alongside henriksen and paxton) and i'm pretty sure other things.....i think vasquez has a huge lesbian cult following.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 2:13 p.m. CST

    M-O-M

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Yep, I know, she was John Connor's foster mom in T2. Forget her name. I know she's not really hispanic, and I know she's better looking than the white-trash-mom she was made out to be in T2. She's a cutie, and she can fire up my smart gun any day of the week. She was fiesty and lithe in Aliens. I think Ripley came to respect her later on, even after the whole, "I hope you're right, I really do" thing.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 2:13 p.m. CST

    oops,

    by zom-bot.com

    my vasquez facts came seconds too late..

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 2:19 p.m. CST

    zom-bot

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Yes, I know the "fine taco" comment wasn't a very politically correct way of voicing my genuine enthusiasm for that actress, even given my knowledge that she (the actress) was not really hispanic like the character name "Vasquez" would suggest. So I'll retract that. I can believe that she has a lesbian following, or that the character does. Recall Hudson's line--in response to "Have you ever been mistaken for a man?" "No--have YOU?" But hey, I liked her compact tight little bod and her attitude, and the chummy thing she had going with Drake.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 2:22 p.m. CST

    M-O-M

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Agreed. It should have been Vasquez who showed Ripley the merits of the M41 pulse rifle, not Hicks. Then "Vaz" and "Snow White" could have, ya know, bonded. I can totally hear Vasquez saying, "If it comes to that, I'll DO us BOTH." Hot stuff, I tell ya!

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 2:29 p.m. CST

    PREDATOR concept ripped off

    by classyfredblassy

    From 1980's "WIthout Warning". Check it out. And just look at this cast: Jack Palance, Martin Landau, David Caruso, and....Larry Storch as the Scout Master!!!!

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Alonzo

    by Bloo

    you're right on, the Core guy doesn't get the love and he was one of the first to publically come out and say who he was in the industry

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 2:32 p.m. CST

    It is agreed then

    by Abominable Snowcone

    M-O-M and Abomb will be penning the script for the next Aliens installment, which may or may not feature a Predator. But will definitely feature Vasquez and Ripley in wet wife-beater teeshirts and panties, very sweaty and with obscene huge guns. We haven't quite figured out how we'll bring those two back to life, but really, is an explanation necessary? I can see the pivotal point now--they're trapped in some dark tunnel, ammo down to nothing, Ripley grabs Vaz by the back of the neck (what little hair is there) and says, "I can't LOSE YOU!!" and they start kissing each other hungrily as the monsters close in....<p> See, you're on the edge of your seat.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 2:41 p.m. CST

    If you trace Alien lore back to its roots...

    by Abominable Snowcone

    the creature design all comes down to Freudian and Gigerian concepts of peniseseseses and FAH-gin-AHHs. So a tale of two loving lesbos in extraterrestrial peril makes a lot of sense. And money. In fact, the modified alien in this new film will look more like a phallus than EVER!

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Alonzo

    by Bloo

    you're right on, the Core guy doesn't get the love and he was one of the first to publically come out and say who he was in the industry

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Anybody see Saturn 3

    by Abominable Snowcone

    with Kirk Douglas, Farah Fawcett and Harvey Keitel? That was a damn creepy movie that has not aged well. How about "Silent Running" with Bruce Dern? That there's classic sci-fi. How about "Capricorn One?" Can that movie really be considered sci-fi if none of it really occurred in space?

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Memories-Of-Murder

    by Zerofun

    I think I would almost rather see a more AVP like starwars prequel than watch the bore fest that is phantom menace, and you want to talk about bad acting .. that kid vader sucks some major poo. I even thought Sith sucked.. Darth Vader was without a doubt the #1 bad guy of all time, until the prequels. Now I think Joker and Hannibal are tied for #1.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Demon Seed > Saturn 3

    by classyfredblassy

    As did the Deadly Spawn.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Indiana Jones..

    by malificus

    ..and the Trilobyte Stool!

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Saturn 3 scariest scenes...

    by skimn

    Kirk Douglas nude scene and Harvey Keitel's dubbed voice. Seem to remember some almost nudity from Miss Fawcett though.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 3:35 p.m. CST

    here's how it went down......

    by dark dharma

    there was a meeting that went something like this..... here's the cool parts of 'alien' here's the cool parts of 'predator' just repeat them over and over again, whether it makes sense or not. cast a hot young blonde thing, but get this- don't show her naked well, ok -maybe an underwear scene here's you budget, blow it all on the predator 'stealth mode' effect, don't waste any of it on script or anything like that and make sure the ending has nothing to do with anything that actually happened in the movie, that way they have to let us make another one! what's that? oh don't worry, sci-fi fans will pay to see any crap we put up, it'll be fine....

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Jeanette Goldstein,is the real name of Vasquez...

    by travis-dane

    at least i think it is.Near Dark was produced by Cameron and directed by Kathrin Bigelow,thats why they have the great Aliens cast.Paxton in the dinner is great.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Hey Vasquez, have you ever been mistaken

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    for a man? No, have you? Classic put down. Can never forget that line.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 4:45 p.m. CST

    So does this mean Terminator vs Robocop isn't going to happen

    by kirttrik

    I mean cause that would be a real shame. You see you got Terminator, which is great,and you got Robocop, which is great, put 'em together and you get greater. It simple math people. Am I right, am I , huh, eeyup. Damn right.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Alien vs Predator vs Terminator

    by Scrolly

    It totally makes sense.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Dr. Seuss brothers make PWSA look > than Ridley and Cameron COMB

    by UnChienAndalou

    Clearly cinematic hack-dom courses through the veins of their family bloodline. Paul W.S. "The Man" Anderson should send those losers a fruit basket for x-mas out of appreciation for making him look on par with Kubrick in comparison. I can state firmly with a total disregard for hyperbole that AVP-R is literally the worst-directed theatrically released movie I've ever seen in my life. I feel like such a fool for blindly believing that this was going to be vastly superior to the modest guilty pleasures of its predecessor because of the inclusion of graphic hard R gore elements that were lacking during Fox's first stab at bridging the two venerable franchises together.

  • Spot on UnChienAndalou. What's amazing about the film is just how mind numbingly bad it is. It makes Ghost Rider look like cinema magic. We've come a long way since Alien, Aliens and Predator, and not in a good way. I hate you Fox.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Has anyone here actually read the original Dark Horse Comics

    by kirttrik

    cause those where very well scripted and overall entertaining. I mean, those should have been the model for these films but for some reason they seem to have wanted to turn it into a slasher franchise. In fact, all of the Dark Horse Aliens, Predator, Aliens vs. Predator comics were excellent and helped put Dark Horse on the map. I mean if you look at the original comic a film version of the project seems like a no brainer. It almost seems simple to make. How could Hollywood producers so seriously fuck this up. It makes me think that there's something seriously dysfunctional in that town, corrosive and unkempt. Maybe it has something to do with franchising. Maybe that's the dark evil of Hollywood. Yeah that's it, it's the steerless masturbatory production of sequels for profit. I say this because there's a new sequel coming out that has a point and will probably be great, that's Indy 4. Also Cloverfield is coming out that also seems like it's going to be a blast and that project is headed by a producer who's Hollywood as they come. I think the film industry would be a much more interesting place if people trying to make profit where left out of the picture and the people who wanted to take risks, who respected there audience, and actually understood cinema manned the helm. That's just my opinion though, other than that I'm looking forward to AVP3 to bitch about that on the talk backs.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Where are the AICN staff reviews of AvP2...

    by travis-dane

    they have reviewed some other shity movies.And where are the Hitman reviews?Is nobody working here anymore?I thought that AICN is a SCI-FI and action and horror film fansite?I dont just want fan reviews,nothing against them but I want to know what the AICN staff thinks of the movies!Please do your work again.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 5:29 p.m. CST

    AVP-R = NO MEAT.

    by Unimaginative_Moneyhungry_Hollywood

    The guts are missing. There is a start to the film, and then suddenly they are wrapping things up. What happens in the middle?? Well it’s a complete mess. The Predators mission is not griping, there is no cool scene which excites the audience. Moments make the movie!! EG: Dutch jumping of the mountain & hiding in mud in an intense getaway scene. EG: The Director of original Predator takes his time to carefully prepare Dutch for his final battle against the predator. EG: Ripleys big Newt rescue scene. I’m not saying they need to copy these scenes, but these moments are what made predator & aliens special. They were inventive & imaginative scenes that hooked the audience & made them poop their pants. The AVP-R movie was rushed, the story was compromised & the result is there are no gripping scenes. It would have been good to at least see more of the predator, follow him on more on his mission. I thought the Preds sewer trap setup was good; it was definitely one of the better scenes in the movie; that is the sort of thing they should have continued with further through the movie… develop some scenes that eventuate to the ultimate Predator battle. But alas the story gets to the half way mark & then fizzles. It loses all its drive & gets messy & we get a jumbled assortment of powerplant, shop & hospital scenes without purpose. All the characters want to do is go to the square or to the hospital, which is NOT griping viewing. There is no real threat. It never feels like a BIG town evacuation. NO MEAT! All the best bits are in the trailer, so don’t go in to the cinema expecting balls to the wall action with heaps of blood & guts because there is none. Some more of those lead cliché characters should have died. There is no meat. The AVP meat is missing.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Memories of Murder, and PWSA's AvP

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    I had a post or two, subsequently deleted, in which I expressed a profound amount of displeasure regarding the fact that Anderson felt it necessary to screw with the whole of early human civilization in his story so badly. It pissed me off terribly, and I'm glad that there are people with the modicum of education to scoff at it too. It was disrespectful of those ancient cultures, lame, and profoundly unnecessary. To think someone actually thought rewriting history into a contrivance all Chariots of the Gods-ish was actually a BRILLIANT, Creative story element for an alien/predator movie. Just amazed at such idiocy. Also, don't get me started on the cloning thing. Whenever they have "person's memories mystically jumping into the mind of his/her clone", I want to kill somebody.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 5:53 p.m. CST

    AVS-R (Anderson VS Strause-Retarded)

    by future help

    No matter who wins, we lose.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Looks like this Talckback is done...

    by travis-dane

    but it was good as long as it lastet.I will miss you TB. travis-dane last surviving talckbacker of the AvP2 in 2007 logs out.END OF MESSAGE.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 7:36 p.m. CST

    just to be a prick

    by Bloo

    I'm going to post right under travis-dane

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 8:35 p.m. CST

    AVP - RIP

    by marineboy

    Awful,awful,awful!!!! Sunset Beach cast meets Uwe Boll meets script written by Elmo. HELL ON EARTH!!!! I plead with anyone from FOX who might be reading this - please god, give me a 10th of your budget and I'll find you a writer, director and cast that will bring back the fear and class of the original movies.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 8:53 p.m. CST

    marineboy

    by Shermdawg

    At ths point, the best thing to do (Alien-wise) is to put it on ice for next decade.....or longer.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Dear Sherm...

    by marineboy

    The Alien hardcore want a conclusion to the series - there's already been a 10 year hiatus from the official series. If Ridley or Boyle or Memento guy can be enticed - then we'll have something to really look forward to. We'll get the finale we deserve and FOX will get their profit and successful merchandising spin-offs etc (which I'm convinced is all they're bothered about these days...)

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 10:07 p.m. CST

    bring in CHILDREN of MEN director....for an Alien flic.

    by future help

    and yes, FUCK YOU FOX. fuck ya' up your HolyWhore Ass.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 10:08 p.m. CST

    HollyWhore, the movie.

    by future help

    i need a 40 mil. budget.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Terrible!

    by Massachusetts Brown

    Spoilers ahead. Just came back from seeing it, and wish I hadn't! How bad was it? Bad enough that when it was done I walked out fast so no one would see me and I wouldn't have to explain myself.<p> All the human characters in this movie are one-dimensional. I haven't heard dialogue this bad since, well...Spider-Man 3. But before that, a long time. You got a blond chick who dates assholes, and knows they're assholes, and a pizza delivery guy who has a crush on her, even though he also knows she prefers assholes, and even though she says she'll "fire" the latest asshole so she can get with the pizza guy, who tells the current asshole boyfriend "I guess I know who ordered the sausage lover's." This comes after he delivers fifty bucks worth of pizzas (about six of them) for blondie and three guys on a couch. They musta been hungry. I guess we're supposed to sympathize with the pizza guy for some reason, since he fosters an unrequieted love for this whore, and because her boyfriend beats him up, but it only left me wondering what, is blondie the only girl in town? <p> Big spoilers here. I thought it was strange that of the four or five people who survive, the two adults are a guy and a girl who just arrived back home after long absences. I guess you could say this town was the town God hated, because it gets leveled. And I don't mean by aliens. Hell, for most of the movie I just didn't get how the town was "infested," because wherever the heroes drove in their little tank-vehicle, there were NO aliens to be found anywhere. And when they do encounter aliens in a sporting goods store, we learn that this batch is remarkably easy to kill. Couple shots from a pistol is all it takes.<p> There's one main predator, and he cleans up the alien infestation by pouring magical blue potion on dead humans and aliens alike. Only it's never explained why he feels the need to "clean" up the mess. Especially since while he's doing this, he's also skinning people and stringing them up to be found in the woods. Plus, although this batch of aliens seems weak, they DO have numbers on their side, so you wonder why Predator bothers trying to hunt 'em all and douse them with potion, when early on it becomes clear he can't. <p> Somewhere in all this crap, there's maybe half of a good Predator movie. Predator has a couple new gadgets in this one, a laser web system he uses to establish a perimeter in a sewer, and a lariat. He uses the web thing early on, and it does look cool. But the aliens nearly kill him in the process. The lariat he doesn't use until much later, and when he does, it's very blah. He uses a pair of shurikens, but only once. I read somewhere that he uses a smart-disc like in Predator 2, but I didn't see it.<p> One of the humans gets hold of Predator's plasma cannon, and somehow manages to get it working to where he's proficient with it. I just couldn't buy that.<p> Reiko tough-chick has a daughter, whose father is killed in front of her by an alien, and throughout the film there's no emotional response at all. According to Reiko chick-mom, the girl simply "hasn't had an easy day." Um, yeah...<p> Parts of the movie reminded me of "First Blood." You get an freshly released excon arriving in a small backwoods town, only to be picked up by the sheriff. Later, some night scenes on main street resemble the sequence where Rambo torches the fireworks store.<p> The final (and brief) showdown between the predator and predalien was anything but climactic. Taking place at night in the rain, and shot with shakey cam, you can't really tell what the hell is going on. But when they each deliver fatal blows to one another, you totally see it coming and you're anything but surprised. Plus, in the dark, the two extraterrestrial combatants look so much alike that you can't tell who is who or who is doing what to the other. <p> Did I mention that the characters and dialogue suck?<p> A lot of the close-up alien shots seem recycled from other alien movies. You know the shot we're all familiar with, when some human is about to get jacked in the face, you see a close-up of the alien face, with those cute quivering lips and slimey jaws. You see that a dozen times. We've all read about Predalien's weird habit of impregnating already pregnant human women by pumping little eggs down their throats. This did not appall me, but it was just new enough and out of the ordinary that I thought they could have done without it. I think the Strause brothers must've felt they needed another way to account for how they're getting so many aliens so quickly. But it wasn't necessary. We all know from alien lore that in any new environment, one of the first new aliens introduced will necessarily be a queen. <p> I could go on and on, and I know this little review has been scattershot. Kind of like the script for this movie. At the end, the first credits you see, in very big letters, is "Directed by the Brothers Strause!" as if they're proud of it. Quit your day jobs, boys. You suck.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Whos fault is it ?

    by Zerofun

    The writer ? or the Director? because the move looked good IMO.. the editing was a little rough .. mostly the story lacked .. can we blame the directors ?

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 10:18 p.m. CST

    I think AICN staff are avoiding a review

    by Massachusetts Brown

    for this for fear that they'll make 20th Century Fox angry, because the reviews would not be very good.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 10:25 p.m. CST

    Zerofun: can we blame the directors ?

    by Scrolly

    Hell, yeah. The Mario brothers should have demanded a better script. Period. The producers should have demanded a better script. Something stinks real bad at Fox for this script to have been green-lit.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Zerofun

    by Massachusetts Brown

    You do have a point...directors can only direct the script they're given. And there were some good visuals here. The laser-web thing is the only one that I'll remember come a month from now. I know the Strause brothers were very big into saying, "Look! We made it an R rated movie! It's got gore!" Yeah, it did, but sadly there's very little story and no good acting surrounding all the mayhem. Nothing cohesive. All so hollow. These people were cardboard cutouts just waiting to be knocked over. More so that they're people living in what we're supposed to believe is a rather isolated Colorado town. Cliches of cliches.

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 10:54 p.m. CST

    Please Do a Review AICN

    by Unimaginative_Moneyhungry_Hollywood

    Do it!! We need a laugh! Fox needs a kick in the ass. Shane Salerno needs a kicks in the ass for writing such crap. The strauss Brothers need a kick in the ass. Kicks in the asses for everyone!!! weeeee!! Do it, for the love of geek-dom-world give us a review to glorify & unify the fanboys, haters & the some what annoyed at mediocracy & unoriginality! We need closure. We need pakistan to have democracy!

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 11:04 p.m. CST

    I second the motion of UMH.

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

  • Dec. 27, 2007, 11:59 p.m. CST

    Everyone who has seen the movie

    by the_scream

    Don't blame the director, writers or FOX. Blame yourselves for pumping more money into this bloated franchise. We'll keep getting this crap if you keep paying to see it.

  • Dec. 28, 2007, 12:14 a.m. CST

    Is anyone else tired of movies with shitty endings?

    by drowningpigeon

    I mean seriously first I am Legend now this. I need to see a movie with a good ending. oh and i totally agree with the second review horrible acting and not enough fights between aliens and predator.

  • Dec. 28, 2007, 12:31 a.m. CST

    OK GUYS

    by lecter1914

    It wasnt great. No, I'm not a plant, Ive been on here for a minute, but I think some of us have jumped the bandwagon here. The movie was not great by any means, but it was at the very least entertaining. I saw the first AVP with a crowd and it got resounding boos and was mocked until this day by many geeks i know around the world. This one got some pretty cool ooohhhhs and awwwwws. I know I'm going to get ripped for this so I'm just going to say it. It wasn't that bad. The beginning irked me simply because of the cheesy dawson's creek nature of it, but once it got started it was pretty cool. Once again, not saying it was great, but I think some of you are just ripping on it way too much.

  • Dec. 28, 2007, 12:56 a.m. CST

    the_scream

    by Zerofun

    dude get a life .. how do you know if a movie is good unless you see it ? I have heard so many people say .. dont pay to see it.. bla bla bla STFU. If it has aliens or preadtors .. ill pay to see it. sorry i guess im part of the problem.

  • Dec. 28, 2007, 1:02 a.m. CST

    AVP-R is Batman & Robin to AVP's Batman Forever.

    by Autodidact

    This is the same thing that happened with Batman Forever and Batman & Robin. When Batman Forever came out, I was pretty disappointed with all the neon, Chris O'Donnell, etc... then Batman & Robin came out and I suddenly saw Batman Forever as a relatively high quality motion picture and started to perceive good aspects of it that I had previously ignored. This sequel has just caused the same effect with the AVP series. Paul Thomas Anderson comes out of this looking pretty good if you ask me. At least he can put enough light in a scene to let you see what's on screen, pull the camera back so that you can see what's happening in a fight, use establishing shots to bookend sequences, and have SOME level of dynamism in music and sound. Did anyone notice how one-note the music was in this movie? It was "heart-pumping" type music for the entire 90 mintues, which is just plain boring.

  • Dec. 28, 2007, 1:02 a.m. CST

    Ooops, not PTA

    by Autodidact

    I mean to say, Paul Anderson comes out of this looking pretty good.

  • Dec. 28, 2007, 1:17 a.m. CST

    The fucking AVP PC games had a better story

    by Autodidact

    Seriously... AVP and AVP2 are the scariest games I've ever played. AVP2 had amazing multiplayer. I was in a pred-only clan (DE). My favourite technique was to hunt humans with the net while cloaked. Net them, step in front of them, flash your eyes, taunt them with the sample of Billy's laugh, uncloack, and use the wristblade to stab them in the face. Most satisfying way to take out an enemy in any multiplayer game, aside from backstabbing an enemy medic while he's healing you in TF2.

  • Dec. 28, 2007, 2:11 a.m. CST

    lecter1914

    by DocPazuzu

    You're going to have to do better than that.

  • Dec. 28, 2007, 3:22 a.m. CST

    Verns review is up.

    by Scrolly

    http://www.aintitcoolnews.com/node/35164

  • Dec. 28, 2007, 3:56 a.m. CST

    I Am Legend sucks...

    by andrew coleman

    Go read the book and you'll see why if they made it like the book it would have been one of the best movies in a long time instead... We got vampires who act like they are intelligent but yet we are told they are not...

  • Dec. 28, 2007, 3:57 a.m. CST

    Oh yeah about AvP 2

    by andrew coleman

    My friend saw this drunk and laughed his ass off and told me to do the same. I will but I will buy a ticket to Sweeny Todd or something and sneak in. Fuck the Fox shit machine.

  • Dec. 28, 2007, 10:54 a.m. CST

    AVP:R

    by radio1_mike

    It should have been: AVP:WYM Alien vs. Predator: Waste Your Money.

  • Dec. 29, 2007, 7:58 a.m. CST

    Zerofun

    by the_scream

    Get a life? I'm not the one lining up to see a film that is obviously going to be absolute crap. Wait for the damn reviews and if they are terrible, you'll know. But why would it be any good?