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Here Come THE HOBBIT(s)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Published at: Dec. 18, 2007, 12:45 p.m. CST by headgeek

Merrick here...
Word is flying fast & furious: Team Jackson, New Line, and MGM have made nice and are gearing up to launch 2 HOBBIT movies. One will be an adaptaion of J.R.R. Tolkien's THE HOBBIT. The second project is believed to be a bridge between THE HOBBIT and THE LORD OF THE RINGS trilogy - culled from the titanic amount of periphery/ancillary/notated material found in Tolkien's works. Such material can already be seen in the exiting films. Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh will Executive Produce; no word on whether Jackson will direct just yet. Last year, an AICN interview with LORD OF THE RINGS composer Howard Shore indicated he'd already begun toying with HOBBIT themes & whatnot...immediately therafter the shit hit the fan. Maybe he'll get a chance to share his music with us after all? This press release will tell you more:
ACADEMY AWARD-WINNER PETER JACKSON AND NEW LINE CINEMA JOIN WITH MGM TO PRODUCE “THE HOBBIT,” EAGERLY-ANTICIPATED FANTASY ADVENTURE EPIC NEW LINE AND MGM TO CO-PRODUCE AND SHARE WORLDWIDE DISTRIBUTION RIGHTS PETER JACKSON AND FRAN WALSH TO EXECUTIVE PRODUCE TWO FILMS BASED ON “THE HOBBIT” Los Angeles, CA (Tuesday, December 18, 2007) Academy Award-winning filmmaker Peter Jackson; Harry Sloan, Chairman and CEO, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. (MGM); Bob Shaye and Michael Lynne, Co-Chairmen and Co-CEOs of New Line Cinema have jointly announced today that they have entered into the following series of agreements: * MGM and New Line will co-finance and co-distribute two films, “The Hobbit” and a sequel to “The Hobbit.” New Line will distribute in North America and MGM will distribute internationally. * Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh will serve as Executive Producers of two films based on “The Hobbit.” New Line will manage the production of the films, which will be shot simultaneously. * Peter Jackson and New Line have settled all litigation relating to the “Lord of the Rings” (LOTR) Trilogy. Said Peter Jackson, “I’m very pleased that we’ve been able to put our differences behind us, so that we may begin a new chapter with our old friends at New Line. ‘The Lord of the Rings’ is a legacy we proudly share with Bob and Michael, and together, we share that legacy with millions of loyal fans all over the world. We are delighted to continue our journey through Middle Earth. I also want to thank Harry Sloan and our new friends at MGM for helping us find the common ground necessary to continue that journey.” “Peter Jackson has proven himself as the filmmaker who can bring the extraordinary imagination of Tolkien to life and we full heartedly agree with the fans worldwide who know he should be making ‘The Hobbit,’” said Sloan, MGM’s Chairman and CEO. “Now that we are all in agreement on ‘The Hobbit,’ we can focus on assembling the production team that will capture this phenomenal tale on film.” Bob Shaye, New Line Co-Chairman and Co-CEO comments, “We are very pleased we have been able to resolve our differences, and that Peter and Fran will be actively and creatively involved with ‘The Hobbit’ movies. We know they will bring the same passion, care and talent to these films that they so ably accomplished with ‘The Lord of the Rings’ Trilogy.” “Peter is a visionary filmmaker, and he broke new ground with ‘The Lord of the Rings,’” notes Michael Lynne, New Line Co-Chairman and Co-CEO. “We’re delighted he’s back for ‘The Hobbit’ films and that the Tolkien saga will continue with his imprint. We greatly appreciate the efforts of Harry Sloan, who has been instrumental in helping us reach our new accord.” The two “Hobbit” films – “The Hobbit” and its sequel – are scheduled to be shot simultaneously, with pre-production beginning as soon as possible. Principal photography is tentatively set for a 2009 start, with the intention of “The Hobbit” release slated for 2010 and its sequel the following year, in 2011. The Oscar-winning, critically-acclaimed LOTR Trilogy grossed nearly $3 billion worldwide at the box-office. In 2003, “Return of the King” swept the Academy Awards, winning all of the eleven categories in which it was nominated, including Best Picture – the first ever Best Picture win for a fantasy film. The Trilogy’s production was also unprecedented at the time. For more information about “The Hobbit” films, please visit http://community.thehobbitsite.com. About New Line Cinema Corporation: Celebrating its 40th anniversary year, New Line Cinema is the most successful independent film company in the world. Its mission is to produce innovative, popular and profitable entertainment in the best creative environment. In addition to the production, marketing and distribution of theatrical motion pictures, the fully-integrated studio has divisions devoted to home entertainment, television, music, theater, merchandising and an international unit. In 2005, New Line partnered with HBO to form Picturehouse, a new theatrical distribution company to release independent films. A pioneer in franchise filmmaking, New Line’s Oscar-winning The Lord of the Rings trilogy is one of the most successful film franchises in history. New Line is a division of Time Warner, Inc. (TWX). About Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Inc.: Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Inc., through its operating subsidiaries, is actively engaged in the worldwide production and distribution of motion pictures, television programming, home video, interactive media, music and licensed merchandise. The company owns the world’s largest library of modern films, comprising around 4,100 titles. Operating units include Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc., Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Pictures Inc., United Artists Films Inc., Ventanazul, MGM Television Entertainment Inc., MGM Networks Inc., MGM Domestic Networks LLC, MGM Distribution Co, MGM International Television Distribution In, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Home Entertainment LLC, MGM ON STAGE, MGM Music, MGM Worldwide Digital Media, MGM Consumer Products and MGM Interactive. In addition, MGM has ownership interests in international TV channels reaching nearly 120 countries. MGM ownership is as follows: Providence Equity Partners (29%), TPG (21%), Sony Corporation of America (20%), Comcast (20%), DLJ Merchant Banking Partners (7%) and Quadrangle Group (3%). For more information, visit www.mgm.com. About Peter Jackson/Wingnut Films: Peter Jackson is one of the world’s most successful filmmakers. His monumental achievement co-writing, co-producing and directing The Lord of the Rings trilogy (with fellow Academy Award winners and frequent collaborators Fran Walsh and Philippa Boyens) earned a total of 30 Academy Award nominations and 17 Academy Awards. Jackson and Walsh received their first Oscar nomination for Best Original Screenplay for their acclaimed film Heavenly Creatures. Jackson, through his New Zealand-based Wingnut Films banner, also was responsible for the globally successful 2005 remake of King Kong which earned over $500 million worldwide and 3 Academy Awards. Currently, Jackson is directing an adaptation of The Lovely Bones, from the acclaimed best-selling novel by Alice Sebold. He is also developing a trilogy of films with Steven Spielberg based on Tintin, the world renowned comic book series by Herge.


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  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:23 a.m. CST

    No way

    by YakMalla

    1st!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Almost a day late and a dollar short

    by ptindy

    This site is not for breaking news.......getting sloppy seconds is more like it!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Damn

    by YakMalla

    There are gonna be 8 bajillion posts here, and I'm actually 1st. I'm like totally gonna be famous!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:24 a.m. CST

    I wonder if this has anything to do with the fact all New Lines

    by judge dredds fresh undies

    Funny to see them go crawling back to Jackson. They better get a decent director.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:25 a.m. CST

    sweet

    by tha plow

    thank you movie gods

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Drop Tin Tin and direct these!!!

    by wildphantom07

    let the berg do both chapters. Please Peter!! Still....this is INCREDIBLE news. I never thought the day would come

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:25 a.m. CST

    My heading should have been....

    by judge dredds fresh undies

    "I wonder if this has anything to do with the fact all New Lines recent films have bombed big time!"

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Good Luck Harry

    by Quin the Eskimo

    Recover Quick

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:26 a.m. CST

    You're a Hard Hobbit to break - Fran Walsh to direct

    by darthbauer

    Me thinks this will be like the Wachowski brothers and V for Vendetta, where Jackson will actually get another name to direct (maybe his wife Fran Walsh) but he'll actually do most of the work. Fran if you remember directed many of the scenes in the trilogy (if you listen to the director's commentary) and some of her scenes were the best for sure. There's no way Peter is gonna let some guy take the ball and run an entirely different direction. Due to legal obligations Peter can't officially direct because he on these other two movies, but believe me He and Fran will indeed direct this and they'll just give the credit to someone else. This is so fantastic!!!!!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:26 a.m. CST

    If you see only one film in 2010...

    by epitone

    ...make sure it's Michael Bay's THE HOBBIT. Screenplay by Akiva Goldsman.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:26 a.m. CST

    In the words of Tiny Tim...

    by slone13

    God bless us, everyone!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:27 a.m. CST

    so the question is this

    by waggy

    will they go A-list with the director or lucas/wachowski it up and hire a director they can direct from the sidelines?

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Bad day when Yahoo! News beats you to the punch

    by Heckles

    Ain't It Already Been Reported news.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Compass points to Hobbit...

    by wildphantom07

    'judge dredds fresh undies' you could have nailed it. Well done everyone for not turning up for Compass!!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:28 a.m. CST

    I'm intrigued...

    by TrumpyEatsPotatoes

    by the idea to do a "sequel" film. How is an amalgamation of ancillary material going to work? Is it going to be a bunch of short stories, or focus on Frodo growing up in the Shire...? I didn't think there was that much missing between Hobbit and Fellowship. But good news nonetheless.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:28 a.m. CST

    AHHHH! YES!

    by tile_mcgillus

    Fuck yeah bitches! AWESOME! I' am giddy like a school girl now!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Welcome back Gandalf the Grey!!!

    by orionazul

    Hopefully Ian McKellan agrees to reprise his role as Gandalf.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:30 a.m. CST

    YES!!!

    by Tinfang

    Praise be to Manwe!!<p> 1.) Hobbit adaptation, just like the vast majority wanted CHECK!<p> 2.) PJ gets to "embellish (see: invent)" another Tolkien story CHECK!<p> Holy Mother of Luthien Tinuviel but this is exciting news!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:32 a.m. CST

    YAAAAAY!!!!!

    by Rufus

    I repeat: Yaaaaay! Was about time.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Please get Howard Shore again PJ.

    by Tinfang

    Whatever falling out you two had over the Kong score, settle it and get to work!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Blistering Barnacles in a thundering typhoon!!!

    by bluelou_boyle

    So who is going to direct me and Tintin ?!!!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Predictable

    by Ye Not Guilty

    After the failure of THE GOLDEN COMPASS, I thought that New Line would make nice w/ PJ soon.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Good news

    by Cobbio

    Glad to hear this. Can't wait to see what the sequel to "The Hobbit" might be. Anyone know? I've never read any of Tolkien's ancillary literature.<p> The best part of the deal is that Jackson will be filming both movies at once. Excellent.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Bilbo Casting

    by YakMalla

    Shia LaBeouf? Jack Black? Quentin Tarantino? Just as long as it's no one tacky.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:35 a.m. CST

    NO COMIC RELIEF DWARVES PJ!!

    by Tinfang

    Please, please PJ, for the love of Aule, NO FARTY/BELCHING/TOSSED DWARVES. <p> Sorry about the caps folks but I just had to get PJ's attention.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Snore and Wow! all at the same time..

    by Jugs

    I hope it works.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:35 a.m. CST

    If I had known that Golden Compass bombing would cause this...

    by Ringwearer9

    I'd have rooted for it to succeed.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Tinfang

    by Quin the Eskimo

    Those Dwarfs loved the bar.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:37 a.m. CST

    TOO SOON!!!

    by Yotz Von Frelnik

    Just kidding. This is too cool. Wotta' great Christmas miracle.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:37 a.m. CST

    will it be GAY like LOTR?

    by jivatmax

    bunch of male characters gazing into each others eyes etc...

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:37 a.m. CST

    now that we are all in agreement....

    by Magnethead

    we can proceed to market the shit out of this and bleed your fucking wallets dry. C"MON PEOPLE ITS THE HOBBIT! GET A SECOND JOB! SELL YOUR YOUNGEST CHILD. THIS WILL BE BIGGER THAN THE FUCKING RETURN OF JESUS!! abut really ai cant wait to see it, and the subsequent milking of said franchise.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Dream Teaser:

    by Dreamfasting

    slow rasping voice over a montage: "This thing all things devours: birds, beasts, trees, flowers; gnaws iron, bites steel, grinds hard stones to meal, slays king, ruins town and beats high mountain down." ... then the line from the Fellowship movie: "If you're referring to the incident with the dragon, I was barely involved" ... fade to title.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Wow, amazing.

    by Rindain

    Glad New Line made nice with PJ before the rights reverted. Now all we need is confirmation that Jackson will direct.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Who's writing the script?

    by Jor-El23

    I'm hesitant about anyone but the original team writing the actual scripts, especially for this Hobbit sequel. In the wrong hands it could be very dicey. Still exciting news.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:38 a.m. CST

    IF Fran Walsh is directing, without Jackson ...

    by Ringwearer9

    Because the Zombie loving fucktard is committed to other projects, things may not be quite so dismal.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:39 a.m. CST

    2 films?

    by supertoyslast

    I know that has always been the plan, but I don't see much need for a "linking" film. The Hobbit should be adapted, but should it really be followed up by a film cobbled together from stories outside of the main books? This film will be the last of the saga and can't help but be an anticlimax. Whereas The Hobbit would have been one hell of a way to go out.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Just watched the extended Lord of the Rings all day yesterday!

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    My buddy and I each drank a case of beer and I drank a bottle of mulled mead. It was the first time my buddy had seen the movies and he was floored with awe and alcohol.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Do they need two films?

    by I Dunno

    Oh, it's Jackson, of course they do.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:40 a.m. CST

    I've been waiting for this news...

    by Zorak5

    Now all they have to do is (please!) announce Peter Jackson as the director.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:40 a.m. CST

    ooops

    by Magnethead

    sorry for my little hatefest right there. the second hobbit movie just feels like dollar signs for someone. I do hope they will be good.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:41 a.m. CST

    by jivatmax

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79tzQ8AT7bM

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Peter and fran should at least over see the script.

    by eric haislar

    If not write it.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Greatest Christmas present ever! Since the last 3 movies.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Superior fiction then LOTR

    by Quin the Eskimo

    I wonder how it'll translate.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Hurry Up!

    by Mr_X

    Before all the lead actors die of old age.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Linking film features Giant Lion

    by MontyPigeon

    Wait and see. They know the box office money is there if it happens. We've already been letdown with Cloverfield promising it and then failing to deliver the goods.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:42 a.m. CST

    HINO ! But in a good way!

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Let the casting game begin!

    by Tinfang

    James McAvoy as Bilbo, natch. Oh lawks, Sir Ian gets to be Gandalf again!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:43 a.m. CST

    The only Christmas present...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...better than this news is the knowledge that somewhere out there right now, Ringwearer9 is gnashing his teeth and letting out a Vaderish "NNNNOOOOOOOOOOoooOOooOOo!!!!!!"

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:44 a.m. CST

    If Pete isn't going to direct, get Peter Weir please.

    by jenkis

    Keep Raimi the fuck away from this.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:46 a.m. CST

    You're A Hard Hobbit To Break...

    by BanAllFIRSTPosters

    into 2 films.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:48 a.m. CST

    The real question is

    by skycrapper

    Will Bret (Brit) and Jemane make an appearence? "Awww yeeea, it's business time..."

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:48 a.m. CST

    sweet

    by D'Jesus

    I just spewed my shorts. I love that they did research through Tolkein's notes to put a story together for the sequel. This way it's not just some movie that Jackson made up. And can we please limit the number of "near death" scenes in these movies? God those were tiresome in the LOTR.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Awesome news!

    by odysseus

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:48 a.m. CST

    please please please....

    by joevfx

    Peter JAckson Direct these , please please please...... God i cant wait to see his version of Smaug.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:50 a.m. CST

    God, I'm glad Golden Compass failed.

    by SkeletonParty

    New Line tried it on their own and botched it. <p>I'm up for the extended edition box set that matches my LOTR sets. <p>Good news.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Hobbit 1.5

    by TrumpyEatsPotatoes

    A retelling of the story from the perspective of Smaug. 80 minutes of him sleeping in a cave.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Harry... you better do another 10-part write up!!

    by elwen

    Like the one you did for LotR. I still remember it from way back then, it was an amazing write up. So I hope you can do another one for this.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Thank You Golden Compass

    by Saluki

    For Bombing. The Hobbitt was way more enjoyable for me than The Lord of the Rings. Dragons 'n Dwarves!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Yeah Harry and another round of twenty questions!

    by Tinfang

    <nt>

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Wooo Hooo!

    by monorail77

    Looked like this may never happen, but here we go. Can't wait. Bring on 2010 (and 2011!!)

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Hey Harry

    by mukhtabi

    Since we all know you and the esteemed Mr. Jackson are buds, does he have a short list of candidates he's considering to direct this yet? Just curious

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Don't forget to do a sequel to "Black Sheep"

    by C.K. Lamoo

    I loved that film.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Chip the cups and crack the plates...

    by SimpleSandwiches

    ...a 2nd, filler Hobbit movie: that's what SimpleSandwiches hates.<p></p>Make 1, 4-hour Hobbit movie please. No need to see what happened between Hobbit and LOTR. If George Fuck-us can leave a 20-year gap between 2 epics, so can PJ.<p></p>And to the poster who doesn't want comic-relief elves...um, read the book. There's 12 of them.<p></p>And I'm having flashbacks of Sean Connery's Dragonheart = Smaug. PJ HAS to get this right!!!!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:57 a.m. CST

    I meant comic-relief dwarves

    by SimpleSandwiches

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:58 a.m. CST

    James McAvoy as Bilbo?

    by Shigeru

    genius, I say! This is awesome.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Horror Awards

    by bobbyjoe1985

    Join the Facebook group, "Horror awards" to vote for the best horror films of 2007.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:59 a.m. CST

    MARTIN FREEMAN FOR BILBO!!!!

    by Gilkuliehe

    Peter Weir directing if Jackson is too busy.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:05 p.m. CST

    best christmas present ever

    by LegoKenobi

    awesome news, just *awesome*. i'm not completely sold on the whole "2 movies" thing, but if they keep the hobbit to one movie, and then the second movie is made up of ancillary material, well, there's plenty of that to do one. there's quite a long time between the hobbit and fellowship, and lots of behind-the-scenes stuff went on with gandalf, aragorn, and the other races. BRING IT ON, PETER! WE BELIEVE IN YOU!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:08 p.m. CST

    TINTIN wont get in THE HOBBIT's way...

    by FilmNerdJamie

    Spielberg and Jackson have said it'll only take about a month to get all the motion capture work done with the actors. The bulk of that film will come in post-production. So it shouldnt be a problem for Jackson...

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:09 p.m. CST

    great news...

    by just pillow talk

    I can't wait for the talkbacks on these movies. If only it were in production sooner...

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:11 p.m. CST

    I've got a fever. And the only prescription is more Gandalf.

    by Yotz Von Frelnik

    I've got a fever. And the only prescription is more Gandalf.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Yay: Freeman for Bilbo NO: Raimi to direct

    by Reynard Muldrake

    I pray Jackson also decides to direct...even if Raimi's the nicest guy ever, I have a sour, Spider-Man 3 flavored taste in my mouth still. And I know that was probably due to mountains of studio pressure...but guess what, The Hobbit is going to have a lot of the same, and you need Jackson's cahones and monster established Oscar winning rep to maintain his vision...which is why I'm glad he's Exec. Producing for sure...pretty much like directing...

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Surefire? Not so sure.

    by Dreamfasting

    I'm not convinced that this will be surefire hit. The Star Wars prequels were huge hits in spite of being a disaster to the mythology, but I'm not sure that the Tolkien fandom is that forgiving. The Hobbit is a much more innocent book than Lord of the Rings and so a hard choice needs to be made right off the bat whether to make it as dark and gritty as Rings. If they vere off to follow Gandalf's story against the Necromancer, that gives an extra movie but risks breaking the Tolkien atmosphere or get caught in the trap of trying to make the prequel story bigger than the sequel. Plus, you know every rival studio is going to rush a dragon movie together to try to beat it to theaters. I really want to see the great Smaug given his due on film and I can certainly see this team pulling it off, but I don't think this film is an automatic hit.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:14 p.m. CST

    George Lucas to direct!!!

    by Reynard Muldrake

    Ha, psyche. Worst. Idea. Ever. Knowing him, Bilbo would be bumbling around a la Jar Jar Binks during the Battle of Five Armies instead of being knocked out. And Smaug would shoot first.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Jackson Made LOTR Beautiful ...

    by MrDagon

    So why dd King Kong suck?? Saw LOTR th other night on TVand it really is a gorgeous film. Hope the Hobbit movies are as pretty.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:16 p.m. CST

    This is going to suck

    by phool2056

    Not really, I just know every talkback isn't complete until somebody tries to crush everyone else's hopes and dreams. I suspect this is going to be justas amazing as the LotR trilogy. Peter Jackson has already demonstrated that he doesn't let success go to his head or screw things up by making movies that are essentially creative masturbation when he has a guaranteed hit(cough cough, Spiderman 3 and Pirates of the Caribbean: At Profit's End). I'm ready for an enormous, WETA-designed dragon with the perfect voice and a mob of hairy, wonderful dwarves.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by Bono Luthor

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:18 p.m. CST

    "There is still milk in the LOTR tits,so start sucking"

    by travis-dane

    At least make that Frodo and Sam movie!Peter Jackson has come a long way to become the new George Lucas!Press every dollar out of the franchise!Please make Star Wars:the next Generation vs. The Hobbit Babies for T.V.you fucking assholes!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:19 p.m. CST

    OMG YES!

    by vezner2007

    BEST NEWS EVAR!!!! :P

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:19 p.m. CST

    This is the best news I have ever read on here!

    by Bono Luthor

    Merry Christmas!!!!!!! This is fucking amazing.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Why are people calling for different actors to play Bilbo?

    by The Brain Machine

    Bilbo was already cast in LoTR. Just as Ian McKellen should (and most likely will)reprise his role as Gandalf, Bilbo should be played by Ian Holm. He's already established the character, and since this is finally headed back to Jackson, continuity should be every fans dream. Awesome news all around.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:20 p.m. CST

    andy serkis should play all the roles

    by jivatmax

    since he is jackson's butt boy

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Hulk Hogan as the voice of Smaug!

    by firehawk_thexder

    Seriously, Hogan was so channelling Richard Boone when he played Lincoln on Robot Chicken..

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Brain Machine...

    by Reynard Muldrake

    Use your Brain Machine...The Hobbit takes place some 60 years before LOTR...Ian Holm is no spring chicken, and 3 years hence to start filming?? Come on...Along with the stuff Bilbo's gotta do in the story. I know he doesn't age 'much' with the Ring, but it doesn't track at all to keep Holm on.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:26 p.m. CST

    We'll see...

    by RetroActive

    The whole making something out of nothing second film seems stupid. I don't think this is legit...yet.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Damn good news, however...

    by Samus Aran

    I have wanted the Hobbit to be made into two movies for this whole time- that one story needs to be in two seperate movies- there is so much content in the book to do so. I thought I was getting my wish, but instead they are going to cram the Hobbit into one short movie; rush through the material, and then make up some stuff that Tolkien may have never intended for some story that Tolkien seems to have never thought was necessary to tell. I just pray that this part of the rumor is not true. Please tell the Hobbit in two seperate movies- that would be so much richer. Cannot wait to see Smaug by the way, I have been waiting for that for years now.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:28 p.m. CST

    The word you wanted to use was

    by BobPalpatine

    "amalgam" not "amalgamation. Amalgamation is the process of combining, amalgam is the end result. people use big words they don't understand is beyond me.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Great!

    by Kubla_Khan

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:31 p.m. CST

    I agree, Ian Holm should play Bilbo.

    by vezner2007

    They can use computer imagery to make him look younger. Just look what they did with Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen in Xmen 3.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:32 p.m. CST

    ... OK. Too bad though.

    by The Brain Machine

    I see that Ian Holm is a bit older than I originally thought. Birthdate in 1931. He was made up to look much older in parts on LoTR.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Yay!

    by Parallax

    Who'd have thunk it, I'm having a good day... on a Tuesday. Bring on Smaug, PJ, and you'd better fucking direct it, too....

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Personally,

    by Mostholy

    I'm psyched for The Hobbit *and* three Tintins. As for the second, filler movie, it does seem like a money grab move. But, I'm guessing the Hobbit will be spread out over both, with more Dol Guldur/Necromancer-type stuff throughout. In other words, the Battle of Five Armies won't be in the first film (although, now that I think about it, where'll the cutoff be? If the first film's called The Hobbit, it'll pretty much have to have Smaug therein.)

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Ian Holm

    by smorgasbord

    Bilbo shouldn't look much younger than in fellowship seeing as the ring stopped him aging. Didn't they give him a sellotape facelift for the finding of the ring scene? Anyhoo, they'll probably un-age him using hte internets like in The X-men 3.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Or maybe...

    by Mostholy

    they can get the band together again and film the Scouring...

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:34 p.m. CST

    vezner2007

    by smorgasbord

    you pipped me to it.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Just get a new director...

    by Liberty Valance

    PJ & Fran can adapt and produce the fuck out of this thing, but if I have to sit through 7 more hours of incessant slow motion, melodramatic gazing and breathless line delivery I'm going to chew my arms off at the elbows.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:35 p.m. CST

    THIS IS THE MOST WONDERFULLEST NEWS !!!!!!!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    Peter Jackson made the world a better place with LOTR. I can't wait for these movies, I just hope there will be lots of dragons, orcs, and crazy ass monsters. Once again unto Middle Earth!!!!!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:36 p.m. CST

    interesting

    by systemsbroom

    I've thought that a good way to do the Hobbit would be to have the events of the Hobbit "told" via narration and flashback by Bilbo and Gandalf to a very young, newly adopted Frodo. That way, Ian Holm's Bilbo could yammer on about songs and talking spiders and whatnot, and Gandalf could raise and eyebrow and then we dissove to a more gritty version of the Hobbit's events. <P> That way, both the childlike fairy tale aspects of the Hobbit could be retained in a more LOTR-feeling movie.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:36 p.m. CST

    So Tired.

    by Ringwearer9

    So very, very ... tired.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:37 p.m. CST

    KEEP SHIA LEBARF AWAY FROM THIS OR I'LL MAKE RINGWEARER9

    by BringingSexyBack

    look like a Peter Jackson fan in comparison. You've been warned!!!!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Hopefully they'll find a director who understands the material.

    by rev_skarekroe

    "The Hobbit" is NOT a dark sprawling epic fantasy. I don't think Jackson gets that.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:37 p.m. CST

    He Was such a great Bilbo LoTR

    by The Brain Machine

    I will never forget the crazed face that flashes across Bilbo's eyes for that fraction of a second when he wants the Ring back. amazing. I say use Ian Holm... please. If Harrison Ford can tackle Indy, Ian Holm can pull it off. It might be tough, but he could do it. What actor in Hollywood doesen't want to be digitally un-aged, anyway?

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:38 p.m. CST

    There and Back Again

    by Picknickel

    Finally! There and Back Again, a Hobbit's Tale, and Frodo of the Three Fingers and the War of the Ring. Now all we need is a marathon of the Hobbit and the LOTR trilogy at theaters everywhere for Christmas release! Imagine, we'll see the council of wizards, with Radaghast the Brown, Gandalf, Saruman; the driving of Sauron from Mirkwood; the tale of the Dwarves and how they lost the Lonely Mountain; Legolas' family and clan; Riddles in the Dark; how Bilbo found Sting and Gandalf found Glamdring; Oh hell yesssssssssss my preciousssss! Holy Crap, Merry Christmas Everyone!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Let Geroge Lucas direct it!

    by Lord_Soth

    LOL

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:40 p.m. CST

    HOBBIT TO ROTK MARATHON IN IMAX ...

    by BringingSexyBack

    Oh my God that would be insane.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:41 p.m. CST

    "NEW LINE ANNOUNCED TODAY THAT McG WILL DIRECT THE HOBBIT"

    by BringingSexyBack

    Wouldn't that be funny?

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Ian McKellen has already said...

    by cornponious

    that he would NOT do The Hobbit if Jackson was NOT attached. So, all will be fine...

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Get Peter Weir...

    by BrooseTheScharuk

    ...even if Jackson isn't too busy. It's nice that the original team is overseeing it, but it needs some new blood. After all, it's not Lord of the Rings (of which I am a huge fan, btw). Also, I predict that -- unless they are intent on using Ian Holm for continuity -- Martin Freeman WILL be Bilbo. It's just a feeling I get. Having said all that, I am oddly unexcited about this. Maybe it's the "sequel". Or maybe it's King Kong. I just hope Jackson has hired someone to just slap him in the back of the head and say "calm down" once in a while. Maybe give him the odd time-out. He needs it.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Thank God these will come out before the Mayan Apocalypse

    by kirttrik

    2012, the day the machines take over the world.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Clint Eastwood to Direct

    by kirttrik

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:46 p.m. CST

    David Lynch to direct

    by kirttrik

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:46 p.m. CST

    oh please God no....

    by Lt. Kaffee

    i have wanted peter jackson to leave the hobbit alone since the beginning. color me disapointed. jackson just produce and get weir to direct!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:47 p.m. CST

    If Ian Holm plays Bilbo...

    by rev_skarekroe

    ...they better get a better wig than the one he wore in the "Fellowship" flashback. That thing was awful.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Guillermo del Toro to direct

    by kirttrik

    oh wait, that actually might happen.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Bring it on!

    by DoctorWho?

    Not one but TWO! What an epic scale this is when you consider all the films together. Perhaps I wont watch LOTR trilogy until after seeing these two years from no, just to revisit it straight thru,fresh.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Anybody seen Richie?

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    I keep coming back until someone remembers seeing Richie!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST

    And I'm sure it will be great, but...

    by DerLanghaarige

    ...this won't stop making da kids bitch about how long and gay the movie is.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Holm isn't the only issue.

    by Mostholy

    If they're adding Dol Guldur, then they best put Christopher Lee in the cryogenic chamber stat. He was looking a bit peaked in his Golden Compass moment. Also, systemsbroom, I like that approach. I've been thinking something similar, with Sam telling the story to the Gamgee kids.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:50 p.m. CST

    P.S.

    by Lt. Kaffee

    i just re read the hobbit this last summer. and it is a wonderfully charming small and unassuming adventure story. the tone and scheme are anything but epic. please stay true to the source material. its an awesome story of a bilbo out of water. keep it that way.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:52 p.m. CST

    I'm also willing to bet

    by Mostholy

    that other than Elrond, Gandalf, and Saruman, PJ might stick cameos of young Arwen and Aragorn -- maybe even Legolas or Galadriel -- in Rivendell. If Viggo shaves the beard, he'd probably still look young enough, and it'd just be a brief nod to the "OT" anyway.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Does anyone else think the sequel is going to be 'The Silmarilli

    by kirttrik

    or that book that came out last year The Children of Hurin?

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Sooo Happy the Golden Compass bombed

    by Live.

    Why does it take desperation for studio suits to do the sensible and right thing? New Line could have avoided a lot of pain and suffering, if they had just not tried to screw PJ in the first place.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Doubtful, kirttrik

    by Mostholy

    If the first film is the Hobbit, I doubt the second would be Silmarillion or Children of Hurin. Hobbit and LotR take place in the Third Age. So those other stories are thousands of years earlier. They'll probably just plunder Unfinished Tales to lengthen the Hobbit, maybe borrow a page from the last SW prequel and do a "Shadow Lengthens" type thing -- Gollum getting captured, the Nine coming together, etc.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Interesting Choice!

    by YakMalla

    In a nod to the the success of casting Cate Blanchett as Jude Quinn in "I'm not There", the part of Bilbo will be played by Fran Drescher.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:58 p.m. CST

    You said "come"

    by Abominable Snowcone

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:58 p.m. CST

    why two films?

    by Jarek

    The Hobbit is shorter than Fellowship of the Ring.... it doesn't seem like enough material to fit into two films.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 12:59 p.m. CST

    oops

    by Jarek

    Guess I should have read more closely.

  • this is definitely the way to do it. <p> Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen both looked very good in the past sequence of X-Men 3.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Sequel speculations

    by Picknickel

    I think it might have more to do with the forging of the rings, the fall of man and the treachery of Sauron, the creation of the Ringwraiths, etc. There really isn't a whole lot between The Hobbit and LOTR except Sauron taking up hold in Barad Dur and massing his armies, the elves fleeing middle earth, the tracking down of Gollum, etc. I guess you could make The Hobbit at a film and a half lenght, then tack on that stuff to bridge the gap into Fellowship. I've read most everything Tolkien ever wrote, and unless I'm forgetting whole chunks of story, there just doesn't seem like a whole lot to "bridge" the two with. Who knows, it'll be fun speculating.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Mostholy

    by systemsbroom

    Interesting. I think having Sam tell the story (and maybe reading from the Red Book Frodo gave him) would add a measure of sadness to the film, because of all the characters in the Hobbit, only he is left in middle-earth. Nice idea!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Year of the Dragon: 2010

    by Mr Gorilla

    Both this and The Deathly Hallows have kick-ass dragon scenes.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:02 p.m. CST

    BobPalpatine...

    by TrumpyEatsPotatoes

    Check your dictionary. Swing and a miss.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:05 p.m. CST

    David Lynch as Director

    by flossygomez

    He's worked with dwarves before.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Wooooooooooooooo Hooooooooooooooo!

    by Bono Luthor

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:06 p.m. CST

    This is going to suck

    by chrth

    PJ is going to make sure they spend more time on the Necromancer story than on the Hobbit. And I'm sure he'll butcher the Beorn scene unneccessarily. Oh, and Bard will leap on to a rope, swing through the air, and then fire the arrow into Smaug, because, of course, the way Tolkien wrote it was no good.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:06 p.m. CST

    IS PETER DIRECTING??????

    by THE KNIGHT

    THAT'S THE REAL QUESTION HERE!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:07 p.m. CST

    cool

    by Automaton Overlord

    I bet the sequel will have to do with Aragorn and Arwen, You know, to tie the stories together.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Bestest day ever for AIC news!!!!!

    by Bono Luthor

    I am fucking leaping with joy! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! YES!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:08 p.m. CST

    It's not a sequel

    by chrth

    They're splitting the book in half and including all of the scenes that happen off-page (Necromancer especially). I wonder if they'll end the first film with Gollum's "Baggins! We hates thee forever!"?

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:11 p.m. CST

    All Hail "The Golden Compass!"

    by utz_world

    ...because the only reason why New Line got their heads out of their asses is the fact that TGC FLOPPED!

  • but if Raimi is directing NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:12 p.m. CST

    CHILDREN OF FUCKING HOBBITS

    by messi

    Man this is awesome. 2 movies. fuck yeah.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:13 p.m. CST

    The Hobbit: Sinestro Corps War

    by messi

    you know it.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Still pissed at Spidey 3

    by messi

    If Raimi couldn't handle Venom and Sandman in one movie how the fuck can he do The Hobbit.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Pullman vs. Tolkien

    by TrumpyEatsPotatoes

    Pretty amusing that a failed Pullman adaptation led to a greenlit Hobbit. I do like His Dark Materials, I remember hearing Pullman had no great love for Tolkien or Lewis.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Guessing where to make the midpoint cut

    by Dreamfasting

    I think the way to do it would be to make the first movie about Smaug (let him be the undivided focus of the story) and then do the second movie about the aftermath, where they can add in all the surrounding politics and events only hinted at in the book (since it was from Bilbo's disinterested point of view), building up to the Battle of the Five Armies.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:15 p.m. CST

    December 15th 2010, December 14th 2011

    by sambrook

    I'd put money on these being the release dates if the LOTR Wednesday release dates of 19th, 18th and 17th December are anything to go by. Those or 22nd December 2010 and 21st December 2011. There's only two ways I could be happier about this news - firstly if it's confirmed Jackson, Walsh and Boyens will script (likely if they're going with the two films idea suggested by Jackson way back). Secondly, and obviously, if they confirm Jackson is directing - and if the press release is anything to go by they see Jackson as an intergral part of the deal so I'm sure they're doing all they can to convince him. Leave his Tin Tin movie till last, get him to do this first!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:15 p.m. CST

    HE COULDN'T HANDLE VENOM!!!!

    by messi

    he can't handle the Hobbit.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:17 p.m. CST

    The Two Towers - 5 years old today!

    by sambrook

    A deliberate timing?

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Holm = Plastic Surgery

    by kevsnyde

    C'mon, Hanks starved himself to act in Cast Away. Get a crack team of the world's best surgeons, and turn the clock back on Ian's face by about 30 or 40 years. Freaky, but worth it. I'm sure Holm wouldn't mind.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:18 p.m. CST

    jivatmax kill yourself

    by messi

    look at my homophobia, i'll completely discount the most manly and badass battle scenes ever put to film because i'm a dumb cunt.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:20 p.m. CST

    YES!!!!

    by Lord Nerd

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:20 p.m. CST

    YES!!!!

    by Lord Nerd

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Fuck! The Two Towers 5 Years old!!!

    by messi

    fuck me. I still think it's the greatest film ever made. Never have I seen an audience so excited, blown away and happy when they left the theatre. An experience I will never forget. The magic of the movies.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Mid Point will be

    by SimpleSandwiches

    Either right before the intro to Gollum or right after Bilbo runs out of the cave past Gollum, leaving Gollum to hiss and wave his fist in the air.<p></p>And to those who think Ian and Pat looked good as young'ns in X3 are high. And that was only for, what, 2 minutes of screentime?! Doing that for Bilbo the entire span of 2, 3+ hour movies would be quite an undertaking.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:23 p.m. CST

    New Information-Jackson/Walsh to write/direct (98% probable)

    by darthbauer

    FOXNEWS.COM.... this comes directly from the co-chief of New Line Cinema: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317348,00.html Big news Tuesday for fans of J.R.R. Tolkien and "Lord of the Rings." New Line Cinema has patched up its differences with director Peter Jackson. The result is a two-picture deal for "The Hobbit," plus a sequel. Jackson will executive produce the films with partner Fran Walsh, just as he did on the gazillion-dollar Oscar-winning "Rings" trilogy. Getting "The Hobbit" to this point was a huge effort, because Jackson and New Line were really at loggerheads over "Lord of the Rings" money. New Line co-chief Bob Shaye told me Tuesday morning he conceded a lot of the trouble had to do with his "personal rancor" over Jackson's comments. But he also said, "When there's a lot of money involved, there are a lot of intermediaries who say things. We had to be responsible to the millions of [Tolkien] fans." So will Jackson direct? So far Shaye and Michael Lynne are sticking to the story that Jackson will executive produce. But the Oscar-winning director of the "Rings" trilogy has creative control over all of "The Hobbit." "We're going to sit down in January and talk about possible writers and directors," Shaye told me. "He's not going to hire just anyone. This way Peter can oversee this and all his other projects," such as "Tin Tin" and "The Lovely Bones," which he's shooting. But my guess is that Jackson and Walsh will wind up writing and directing. The stakes are too high, and the legacy after the "Rings" is too important. Shaye and Lynn didn't deny it when I asked, they just diplomatically skirted the issue. By the way, why is MGM involved? It turns out its United Artists division had the rights to "The Hobbit" following Saul Zaentz's 1978 animated Ralph Bakshi feature. "Once we resolved our issues with MGM, and then Peter, we were set to go," Lynne told me.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:24 p.m. CST

    ricarleite

    by messi

    there are like 11 other books apart from the hobbit and lotr. Jackson has said it would focus on what happens in between(which is alot) found in the appendices etc. I doubt it's the Simarillion. Unless you want to make 9 movies at a cost of 1 billion each. it just ain't happening.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:26 p.m. CST

    What's taters, precious?

    by Han Cholo

    Yep it took a box office bomb for New Line to come to their senses and realize they're losing money, and fast. So basically they need to kiss PJ's ass and settle the debt they owed him in order for him to save the company cause they thought they had a surefire hit on their hands with Golden Compass and had gotten quite a bit uppity after LOTR. <p> I think PJ will do fine but I just hope they don't inject the story with their own sensibilities and changes so much like they did in LOTR. The Arwen/Frodo scene was terrible and took away from what it should have been, Frodo using what strength he had left and all of his will to escape the Black Riders. There also should have been elements of horror with them calling out to him to come back. I think that was the biggest jump the shark moment of LOTR but the rest of it was great, with some ugh scenes here and there. I'm looking forward to this.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:30 p.m. CST

    THREE MOVIES, PEOPLE

    by ArcadianDS

    This is a three movie deal. Lots of talkbackers seem to think its a two movie deal. The Hobbit will be a 2 movie story, and the THIRD movie will be a 'new' story based on events that Tolkien referenced in ALL his various books, and in his unpublished/incomplete journals.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Better start preparing for the Cumpston review now...

    by Alonzo Mosely

    I think the reaction in the TB may break the internet, you may want to start backing it up...

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:31 p.m. CST

    I love that trailer idea Dreamfasting

    by nerosday

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:33 p.m. CST

    If ANY book could do with a darker revamp

    by King Sweyn Forkbeard

    It's The Hobbit. Cracking story, but twee as hell. It's ripe for a more grown up take by someone already steeped in Middle Earth. Jackson knocked LOTR out of the park, no real reason to suspect he won't do the same here.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:33 p.m. CST

    PJ/Walsh writing? Fuck

    by chrth

    Look for another bastardization of the original like they did with ROTK.<p> You know, when Rankin-Bass pulls off a more faithful adaptation, you might want to rethink your priorities.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:35 p.m. CST

    You can only do certain parts of the Sil

    by chrth

    Maybe the Lay of Beren and Luthien, which is the closest to an actual narrative. Most of the rest of it is Elves Behaving Badly, and I don't think anyone wants to watch Galadriel acting like a bitch.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Return of the Shadow

    by Mostholy

    As you probably know, Mr. Incredible, "Return of the Shadow" is the alternate name for Fellowship (along with "The Treason of Isengard" for TTT and "The War of the Ring" for RotK) To be honest, I always liked those names better.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Mr_Incredible: The Hobbit, easily

    by chrth

    Dawn Treader is probably one of the weaker books, especially since the only narrative thread is the dickhead cousin getting his ... everything else is pretty episodic.<p> Deathly Hallows is going to be hurt by how they handle the Riddle scenes. If they keep them in, it's going to break up the flow of the movie; if they modify them, it'll get the purists hackles up.<p> Hobbit, on the other hand, they're not even attempting to be faithful to so they can do whatever they want to make it cinematic, and it'll have been seven years since the last one.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Could this be the best news ever?

    by brokentusk

    The only news that rivals this news was when the Jews of Egypt learned that Moses had come to free them. I remember that well, it was seriously good news. However, this news makes that news look like SHIT! Thank you New Line Cinema, thank you MGM and thank you Moses! On a side note: Peter Jackson, I'm assuming you're reading this (you aren't), please direct this thing - I know you're busy, life's tough, but c'mon - this is important, iconic work here that you will regret not filming yourself. Let us pray.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Great, more walking.....

    by Turd Furgeson

    I'm looking forward to watching 6 more hours of walking and sword fights....

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:46 p.m. CST

    One Film

    by Sirmausalot

    For the story, the other for the 3 hour ending (s)

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:49 p.m. CST

    'Tis Like Chocolate Covered Hobbit Toes

    by versatol

    Yeszir!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Turd Furgeson

    by messi

    i'm looking forward to 6 hours of breaking your face.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:50 p.m. CST

    At last, 'Jacko's' back at the reigns, hope he directs 'em both

    by KillaKane

    I'm sure there's been a resounding sign of relief from the collective LOTR/Jackson fans at this news. Just hope Jackson decides to continue directing the Hobbit-sies.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Potter Vs. Rings again?

    by sambrook

    Great point Mr_Incredible - shame they're not out at the same time, the first 2 Potters and Rings' in 2001 and 2002 were amazing times for cinema. Say what you want about the films themslves (the Potters are debatable but they're good family films) but they bought families back to the cinema in a way not seen since in years - casual fans who hadn't been to the cinema since Titanic and Phantom Menace - and they - along with the massive rise of DVD and the home entertainment industry - restarted the golden age we're currently in. Remember event films from 2000 and 2001? Exactly.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:54 p.m. CST

    I'd love to see Ian Holm back but...

    by nerosday

    He will be 80, I repeat 80, when the movie comes out. That really may be a bit much for a man in his late seventies to fill two films straight for a year or more. Yep they may need to recast a younger guy, bring Holm in for some sences at the end of the bridge movie.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:55 p.m. CST

    sam raimi as director?

    by Lanceloco

    Sam raimi is said to be very interested in directing. He's a great director (I love evil dead as much as anybody else) but I don't think his style would fit too well for the hobbit films. It SHOULD be Jackson directing!!!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Sean Astin

    by emeraldboy

    in his book there and hack again claims to deny all knowledge of any homo erotic stuff in LOTR. When I got to the part of the book where Sean was in the editing room with Peter and Fran, I actually thought he was lying because, he was so annoying at that juncture that if I were jackson I would have kicked him and read him the riot act. the book went from entertaining to interesting to irritating to annoying. I gave up reading it. According to my friend who read the Christopher Lee biog, the lord of misrule lee doesnt mention the whole editing out of Saruman and yet astin mentions it. I wonder where the other cast members embarassed by astin book. Apart from AStin and lee everyone else has maintained a digified silence oh mckellen of course it did wonders for his career.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:57 p.m. CST

    2001

    by sambrook

    I meant event films before Potter and Rings in November/December. Come on, it was the summer of Mummy Returns, Planet of the Apes, Tomb Raider, Jurassic Park III . Not saying they were all bad (A.I. and Moulin Rouge) but nothing that got the masses excited. And what was the biggest summer film of 2000? X-Men? Good film but it was X2 everyone got excited for. Gladiator was the closest film 2000 one to an event film, that didn't really bring families out to the cinemas.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Totally agree Raimi's style just doesn't fit

    by nerosday

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Peter Jackson for JLA

    by messi

    Hal Jordan as Hal Jordan.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 2 p.m. CST

    Nathan Fillion for Hal Jordan!!!

    by Lanceloco

    If it were 15 years ago I'd be saying Denis Quaid though

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 2:01 p.m. CST

    note to self: cancel hit contract on Bob Shaye!

    by Zardoz

    Merry Christmas! I can't wait! Who will play Bilbo this time? (surely Ian Holm's too old?) Who will be the voice of Smaug? And there's enough material in the appendices to make another four movies!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 2:02 p.m. CST

    The fans of star wars will be delighted

    by emeraldboy

    They will all crowd out this site and will berate anyone who questions Jacksons genius. the jackson knockers had better leave town.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Turd Furgeson the joke was only funny when Kevin Smith did it...

    by nerosday

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 2:03 p.m. CST

    SWEET NEWS!

    by WONKABAR

    That's all

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Sweet fiery moses

    by broken ring

    Best news in a long time. End communication.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Lots of turd rimmers-or LOTR

    by semisaj

    The LOTR trilogy has dated very badly...they are boring after the 3rd time of viewing...even the special editions.. I like most people thought the books where un-film-able..but Peter managed it brilliantly...but watch them again and they drag with some dodgy overblown acting and some serious take you out of the movie bad sfx, which is unforgivable because most of the sfx are top notch..!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Voice of Smaug

    by YakMalla

    Tom Kenny.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 2:10 p.m. CST

    QUITE A NICE EARLY CHRISTMAS GIFT

    by BurgerTime

    Thank you to all involved. It's the gift that'll keep on giving.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 2:10 p.m. CST

    holm as hobbit

    by oisin5199

    My guess is that they may use Holm as a framing device, since 'the Hobbit' is really 'There and Back Again' - so it's an old Holm Bilbo looking back on his adventure, but it's a younger actor playing the role in the 'flashback.' I do hope they stick to their word and have the first film be complete on its own, from Bilbo's POV. And the second film be more from Gandalf's point of view. And I also really hope they put Beorn (the were-bear) in the story - don't let him be the next Tom Bombadil. Hell, maybe they can find a way to put Bombadil into the second movie!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 2:11 p.m. CST

    sambrook

    by messi

    you're right. LOTR films were events. people didn't just see them as movies, but during the times they were released(holidays) they were times families went to the movies together. when they asked them what they were doing over the break, one of the answers would be to watch lord of the rings. It's an event film. When Return of the King came out I have never seen so many people at a multiplex. every session sold out 2 hours in advance and they had to cancel screenings of other movies just to get more theatres. crazy shit.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Node32774

    by YakMalla

    Good point. I can't see them greenlighting Deathly Hallows. Too risky.

  • This is such a great christmas gift for all us PJ and LOTR fans, and a second film bridging the gap between the hobbit and LOTR means more gollum, and will bring back aragorn, sauron and what about boromir?

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Ian Holm

    by semisaj

    The will use Ian Holm because they will be able to sfx him to look young...an animated Silmarillion would be the icing on the cake...yeah the more i think about it the second Hobbitt film could be great as the best characters from Lotr would be in the movie..yesss

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 2:21 p.m. CST

    "Box office failure. Bob'll pretty much have to."

    by Mr.Vess

    I cannot believe this is happening, considering the smashing success of "The Golden Compass"!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 2:23 p.m. CST

    semisaj you suck cock

    by messi

    fuck you, they hold up and are the prime examples of great films that everyone loves.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 2:25 p.m. CST

    oisin5199

    by flossygomez

    That is spot on oisin5199. You need an actor or actors from the original trilogy to bridge the series and make it cohesive. Ian Holm as a framing device, writing of his adventures in Rivendell would work perfectly. They will definitely include Beorn, because it's a fearsome character, not take you out of the movie gay, like Tom Bombadil, who reads like a character from H.R. PuffnStuff.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Just let Jackson and Spielberg direct everything

    by The Ghost of Marcus Brody

    EVERYTHING.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 2:29 p.m. CST

    SPIELBERG

    by saintaugust

    I agree with Ghost of Marcus Brody - have Spielberg and Jackson co-direct this and TinTin.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Disney should forget Narnia

    by skycrapper

    and get the Chronicles of Prydain into production. I assume they still own the rights after that awful animated adaptation.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 2:35 p.m. CST

    GEORGE LUCAS!!!!!

    by Lanceloco

    hahaha Just Kidding

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Dawn Treader for 2010?

    by sambrook

    I heard they were planning on releasing one every May (to keep up with the kids), which would give us The Silver Chair in 2010. I'd guess The Magician's Nephew as a prequel for 2011, then some serious discussions about the quite-dull Horse and his Boy (which at least brings back the original quartet) or The Final Battle, which would be spectacular if doen right but considering the thinly-veiled "False religion brings about the apocalypse, believers go to heaven, disbelivers go to hell (bye, Susan!)" theme might be too much for Disney.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 2:38 p.m. CST

    spielberg?

    by mithrandir16

    Keep Spielberg and Lucas far far away. They need to stay as close to the cast and crew of the LOTR. John Williams better not even think about stepping in on Howard Shore!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 2:38 p.m. CST

    semisaj

    by just pillow talk

    While I don't know if you do or don't suck cock, I must disagree. I think they hold up just as well as ever. In fact, I was just watching The Two Towers the other day (on TNT for the 8,563rd time), and the movie is still great. Nor do I think any of the three will ever lose their appeal to me. Are they perfect? No. But FOTR is still the last movie to get me giddy like a little kid when leaving the theater.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Messi

    by semisaj

    Whats wrong with sucking cock? its not for me but hey i've guess you have tried it and hate it? I'm not saying they are bad films just that at the time of every release they where made out to be the best films ever made and to be honest people will always love these films but they have dated and this will be proven once the 2 new film come out...come on the sfx are not up to the standard of Transformers and i'm not saying that transformers is a better film, some of the acting in lotr is very stage schoolish and overblown that it becomes cringy..but hey i dont want to have an argument its just my opinion...i think most people will disagree with me

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 2:40 p.m. CST

    The bestest Christmas gift ever!!

    by keltic1701

    *sniff* Gawd bless 's awll!!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Voice of Smaug

    by WONKABAR

    Sean Connery

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Then again...

    by WONKABAR

    he already did a dragon

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 2:42 p.m. CST

    just pillow talk

    by semisaj

    Thank you ...note messi 'adult post back'

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 2:46 p.m. CST

    the official hobbit community is up.

    by briantag

    http://community.thehobbitsite.com/

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 2:49 p.m. CST

    FUCK YES

    by SlickyVonBoner

    I just got a full fan-boy boner. The best movies of the decade finally have their prequel. Also the Hobbit is the most fun and best story of all the books. Why not just include everything from the book into two movies. There is enough material. This movie will be huge. Final domestic gross 500 million....

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 2:49 p.m. CST

    sam raimi

    by semisaj

    http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=6618

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Peter Jackson for JLA... *sob*

    by UltimaRex

    I'll settle for this... It's not like I have any choice.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 2:59 p.m. CST

    QUARON MUST DO IT

    by pipergates

    at last some sense, new line, it sure took you long...

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:02 p.m. CST

    i mean CUARON

    by pipergates

    oops

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Hope I'm not repeating anybody... but;

    by jimmy rabbitte

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:06 p.m. CST

    whoa...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    wha happened?

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Three Things

    by TerryMalloy

    1. I am confused. Is this going to be two Hobbit films and a third "bridge" film or one Hobbit film, a "bridge" film, with an option on another Tolkien property? 2. IF the Hobbit is stretched into two films, I really don't think Peter will be faithful to the source material. There really isn't enough there. Thoughts? 3. Dragons always suck in movies. They never look remotely real. Especially if they talk.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:09 p.m. CST

    anyway...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    I was thinking about this time last year (or whenever it was) when speculation was that PJ was out for good; and they were going to perhaps hire Sam Raimi to direct The Hobbit.<p> Anyone else think the mess that was Spiderman 3 put an permanent end to all of that noise?<p> It's good to have P.J back at the helm. Now, I hope these new films are closer in quality to LOTR than King (snore, stretch, yawn) Kong.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:09 p.m. CST

    that's the thing terry

    by happyboy

    they never remotely capture the look and feel of real life dragons in the real world. it's a shame, if there's one thing i look for in dragons is how realistic they are compared to real life. wow this is where commerce overtakes respect for tolkien's work... get ready suckers for PREQUEL TRILOGY, jackson style

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Fran's direction

    by darthbauer

    Fran directed a lot of the personal smaller stuff. She directed the whole opening to Return of the King with Smeagol and Deagol and their fight over the ring when they find it. Also Arwen seeing her future son running into Aragorn's arms in ROTK. She directed a lot of the quieter moments in Two Towers with Aragorn and Arwen. She directed Grima Wormtongue/Arwen scenes in Two Towers. A lot of the interpersonal smaller stuff. Peter does the big scenes, then he hands the smaller dialog heartfelt stuff off to Fran so they can essentially do two things at once. And Fran is proved herself as an awesome director. The stuff she did is always outstanding. If you listen to the commentaries Peter is very complementary of Fran and always gives her credit when she directed a scene. That's why I think she will direct a lot of the Hobbit even if she doesn't get full credit.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:11 p.m. CST

    why do you care jimmy?

    by happyboy

    fellowship was the only movie faithful to LOR. ROK was like a 2 hour video game.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Happy Boy:

    by jimmy rabbitte

    ...a two hour *gay* video game... <p> ...but it had it's moments...

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Smaug's voice...

    by ZeroCorpse

    He should be deep, powerful, and care-free. His voice shouldn't be easily identified as a particular actor's (Connery, James Earl Jones, etc.) and it should be rimmed with confidence and egotism. Smaug thinks he's the shit, and is so certain of it that he's lackadaisical in his approach to Bilbo walking into his treasure room. <p> For that reason, I'm thinking an unknown would be the best bet, but then I'm also a big fan of Peter Jackson's casting greats like McKellan and Christopher Lee in key roles. <p> So how about another old-school Hammer actor or someone with some great British film cred? It's SOOO disappointing that Oliver Reed is dead, because he would have been fucking PERFECT as Smaug. <p> In his stead, I suppose Brian Blessed would be a pretty fucking awesome Smaug. <p> Think about it. Blessed's not that well-known in the States, and he has an incredible voice. If you're not going to cast him as Thorin, then the obvious choice is as Smaug.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:13 p.m. CST

    this is awesome... in particular the lead In to LOTR. F***ING AW

    by THE_ONE_MAN_GANG

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Bard the bowman

    by GavinVanDraven

    Liam Neeson needs to do this. he is in every other kick ass fantasy series. Bard, all the way. you know John Ryess Davies will do the voice of Smaug. if not, JAMES EARL JONES. Brendan Gleeson as Gloin Ian Holm de-aged ala X3 to play Bilbo.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:14 p.m. CST

    TerryMalloy

    by semisaj

    2 Films.. one will be The Hobbit and the second will be based on the history of the characters and the events that lead up to the Lotr trilogy...so not based on any one book but based on events that if i remember correctly from when i read the books, are talked about very loosly..this will mean Peter Jackson and his director Stephen Norrington, just kidding, will have free reign to do what they want and lead the story into the Lotr trilogy...like they did with the star wars prequels..god i hope the don't fuck it like Lucas did!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:15 p.m. CST

    But what everyone really wants to know is...

    by rbatty024

    will Ian Holm play Bilbo Baggins? They better cast him or shit's going down. And by "shit's going down" I mean I'll whine on my computer some more.

  • At least something good came out of that ham-handed crapfest called THE GOLDEN COMPASS. <p>Warner Brothers Execs, do we have to go through all the trouble of killing George Miller's JUSTICE LEAGUE fiasco just so we can get the solo movies of WONDER WOMAN and THE FLASH back or a GREEN LANTERN trilogy based on "Rebirth/The Sinestro Corps War/The Blackest Night"? Because we will. Gladly.</p>

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:16 p.m. CST

    And can we issue a moratorium on

    by TerryMalloy

    those people who criticize the site for not being the first to post news? Is movie news so important that you have to know the moment it happens or your life is over? Get over it.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Please NO James Earl Jones as Smaug!!!

    by ZeroCorpse

    I don't want Darth Smaug. Nobody does.<p> I'm tellin' you-- Brian Blessed all the way.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:18 p.m. CST

    aka all the crappy stuff darthbaure

    by happyboy

    at least Peter TRIED to respect the books, if he didn't really comprehend them. all that interstitial stuff Fran did wasn't grounded on tolkien's writing but her trying to inject her own impressions onto the works. there was no smeagol and deagol stuff in LOR, no arwen going xena on orcs, no aragorn arwen on the bridge, wormtongue arwen scenes. all that stuff you named is crap. professor tolkien was very meticulous about others adding their own agenda into his work. all those examples you gave serve as proof why Fran Walsh shouldn't go anywhere near the Hobbit

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Smaug's voice should be....

    by darthbauer

    Jim Dale, the narrator on ABC's awesome freshman show Pushing Daisies. Wise, strong, British...put a few effects on it, and it'd be perfect. Or they'll just give it to John Rhys-Davies who did Treebeard and was Gimli of course.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Casting ideas

    by gingeracrockford

    How about the following: Young Bilbo: MARTIN FREEMAN Gandalf IAN MCKELLEN Thorin: BRIAN BLESSED Bard: CHRISTIAN BALE Thranduil: JASON ISAACS Beorn: BRENDAN GLEESON Bombur: ROBBIE COLTRANE Balin: JIM CARTER Elrond: HUGO WEAVING Gollum: ANDY SERKIS Smaug (voice): PATRICK STEWART Plus cameos from Orlando Bloom, Christopher Lee, Cate Blanchett and of course Ian Holm as an older Bilbo narrating. Get a Viggo Mortensen lookalike to play an adolescent Aragorn in the second film and you're all set. Plus maybe the three guys from the League of Gentlemen as the Trolls.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:22 p.m. CST

    HappyBoy

    by TerryMalloy

    Have you ever seen a real live dragon before? Well...I have. So there.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:24 p.m. CST

    No Fran Walsh = No Heart

    by darthbauer

    You take out Fran's direction on the trilogy and there would be a lot less heart in it. Sure some of it is extra-canonical, but it certainly isn't blasphemous to the material. It's Fran's scenes that make women tolerate and even enjoy the movies as opposed to three hours of Peter's balls out non stop action with zombies and scary eyes and crap. Don't get me wrong I love that too, but together they bring both sides to the table and meld it well.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:30 p.m. CST

    How about Tom Baker for Smaug's voice?

    by SpyGuy

    Confident and egotistical...That's Tom Baker right there, I'm telling you. And if he can't/won't do it, get the guy who impersonates his voice so brilliantly on DEAD RINGERS.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Happy Happy!! Joy Joy!!

    by ATARI

    <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST

    dragons

    by semisaj

    someone a few weeks ago on another talk back said that Dragon Slayer had the best dragons..who ever said that was correct!.I saw it on bbc 2 on Sunday...the dragon in beawolf looks like a computer game, the one in reign of fire is pretty good

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:35 p.m. CST

    I am awake now

    by TerryMalloy

    And I still think complaining about one day old news is lame.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Jeremy Irons as voice of Smaug

    by darthbauer

    Think Scar.....now there's deep, creepy, cocky voice

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:37 p.m. CST

    ArcadianDS

    by The Llama

    Lots of talkbackers think that because that's what the article states--two films.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:37 p.m. CST

    "Executive Producer"

    by Rupee88

    Since when does the exec producer do shit? It is more of a title than a job...it's just a way to pay off Jackson without admitting they screwed him out of money in the past. The Hobbit seems Jackson-less now.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Mcfly

    by semisaj

    You make shit music that is out dated pop.. http://www.mcflyofficial.com/home/

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:39 p.m. CST

    My armour is like tenfold shields

    by Rufferto

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:39 p.m. CST

    DarthBauer's Right

    by James Westfall

    Irons would be a great voice for Smaug.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:39 p.m. CST

    my teeth are swords, my claws spears,

    by Rufferto

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Rupee88...read my post above from foxnews

    by darthbauer

    Foxnews dude actually talked to New Line guy and New Line guy says Pete has final say over director, creative choices, etc. etc., and foxnews guy thinks Jackson will actually end up directing these movies. There is yet hope! Keep your head up.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Jackson's heading up 2 new Hobbit films...

    by sambrook

    ...and people are busy pissing themselves about AICN's speed? This is news I never thought I'd hear, why aren't people just celebrating that it's happening? Fucking whingers. Some of us come on here because we love movies, some just because they like to moan. Let it go and just be happy!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:40 p.m. CST

    my wings a hurricane

    by Rufferto

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:40 p.m. CST

    and my breath

    by Rufferto

    DEATH!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:43 p.m. CST

    peter jackson

    by semisaj

    Does anyone know if he will ever make cool films like Bad Taste or Braindead again?.. because after King Kong i kinda hoped he would do something fun, interesting and grossly over the top...but no we are getting fucking ginger, pale, quiffy Tin Tin

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:44 p.m. CST

    McFly

    by TerryMalloy

    You're quite welcome.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:46 p.m. CST

    ZeroCorpse re: Blessed

    by James Westfall

    I'd rather see Brian Blessed play one of the dwarves.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Happy Boy...

    by ZeroCorpse

    Fran's additions were specifically addressing the fact that Mr. Tolkien kinda thought women were useless. Kinda a lot, actually. <p> In light of how brief and sometimes-offensive the feminine parts of the books were, Fran Walsh's additions were necessary to draw modern viewers into the story-- Especially women. If Tolkien's idea of Arwen were presented on screen, she'd have been a flat, uninteresting, almost insultingly stereotypical character relegated to being a footnote in the battle. <p> While I normally like a filmmaker to stick with the source material, I do think that Walsh's updates gave these movies a little more sensitivity and heart, and moved them away from the near-misogynistic writing Tolkien offered in his books.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Blessed--- Dwarf

    by ZeroCorpse

    I'd buy that. He'd be excellent as a dwarf. He'd be an amazing Thorin, in my opinion. Prideful, boastful, bombastic... He's perfect.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Yeah...

    by flossygomez

    They're going to de-age Ian Holm for 2 epic movies. Like THAT's not a really stupid idea. Think before you speak people.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:50 p.m. CST

    I neither affirm nor deny

    by TerryMalloy

    any rumors about who (or who I have not) given (or received) "the clap".

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Settled their differences.

    by hallmitchell

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Settled their differences

    by hallmitchell

    In other words. New Line paid him the money they owe him.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:51 p.m. CST

    I want Holm--- No new casting for Bilbo!!!

    by ZeroCorpse

    Holm IS Bilbo. To recast would be a really stupid move. <p> He wouldn't look that much different than he did in the flashback to Gollum's cave. He's not rotting or anything-- jeez! The guy aged a few years since then, but it's nothing a good makeup artist and lighting crew couldn't cover up. No CGI necessary.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Irons as Smaug, yes yes my preciousssss

    by pipergates

    good one. or Lee, Christopher Lee

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:52 p.m. CST

    McFly

    by sambrook

    Yes, I know what a producer does. But read the press release about how much creative input and control he has. Even if he doesn't direct them chances are he'll write them and will chose a director suited to the style. The old cast will return if he's involved and WETA will return, with his input to ensure continuity from the original trilogy. So compared to the alternative - New Line rush out a Hobbit movie before their rights expire with a new cast, Brett Ratner-esque director and the cheapest FX company they can find to make something shiney, sparkly and artificial like The Golden Compass - I don't find it unispired at all. And a day late doesn't make the news old. It's new to me and I suspect thousands of people. AICN aren't the only ones who published it today. Who cares about your cynicism anyway, all I know from it not even being on my mind this morning I now know there's 1,457 days till The Hobbit and the only thing that could make me happier would be for Jackson to direct (which hasn't been ruled out).

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Mcfly ha ha ha

    by semisaj

    I admit i know little about music and film...but i love them and thats all that matters to me. As for the semihard joke.. I now know you know nothing of originality. I will tell you one thing i saw Led Zeppelin last Monday, the verve on wednesday and earlier in the year i watched Daft Punk, Ben Folds Sufjan Stevens and my fave Dj of all time Jeff Mills...but i guess Mcfly are better than all of them, yes?

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:55 p.m. CST

    How the Two Movies Should (Will?) Relate

    by emvan

    The first movie (or two movies if it's actually a 3-pic deal) is THE HOBBIT in its entirety, with the tone made more adult. That won't be a violation of the book, because Tolkien himself repeatedly stated that he regretted the tone as too often condescending. However, the tale will be told strictly from Bilbo's POV, and that will keep the story lighter than LOTR. (The one exception: it has to start with a prologue of Gandalf finding Thrain in the dungeons of Dol Guldur.<br><br>The second movie will not just bridge the story between the books, it will start before THE HOBBIT and place those events in the context of the history of Middle-Earth. We will see the White Council meet and debate the problem of Smaug, see Gandalf meet Thorin in Bree, learn how everything in the first movie was darker and bigger and badder than Bilbo ever dreamed, climaxing with driving out Sauron from Mirkwood.<br><br>There's tons of interesting stuff that follows but welding it into a dramatically satisfying whole will be an enormous challenge. One possibility will be to center it on Aragorn: his meeting Arwen (scenes already shot and never used!), befriending Gandalf, serving Rohan and Gondor in disguise, hunting Gollum. Lots of interesting stuff but, like I said, lacking any kind of inherent story arc.<br><br>I think PJ is smart enough to figure this out and I wouldn't be surprised if already has a neat idea about the dramatic arc of the bridge material.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:56 p.m. CST

    My love affair with Tolkien

    by TerryMalloy

    is notorious.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:57 p.m. CST

    There are lots of scholarly references...

    by ZeroCorpse

    Do a Google search. Tolkien's misogyny, or at the very least disdain for female characters, is well documented. While it is a matter of debate, fair arguments have been made by both sides of the debate. <p> I don't think any less of the man-- He was from a different time when women were considered less than they are now. He was a believer in marriage and the subservience of women due to his era, and he was writing a story based in a medieval setting, where women would have been little more than property. I accept that as realistic and genuinely good writing on his part. <p> However, modern audiences wouldn't accept that in a film. It wouldn't fly. <p> Sorry if you find that offensive, but it's not a new topic. People have written whole dissertations on whether or not Mr. Tolkien was fond of women as people, and the consensus seems to be that he was an old-fashioned kind of gentleman. He wasn't cruel to women, but he certainly didn't see them in the way a modern 21st-century man would. It's not a crime... it's just the age in which he lived.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 3:57 p.m. CST

    McG to direct!!

    by Axl Z

    LOL!!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Make the "Hobbit Sequel" a MUSICAL...

    by ZeroCorpse

    Think about it: Make it a musical version of the Hobbit. You'd pay to see Smaug sing "You Have Nice Manners (For A Thief)" and you'd delight to hear Gollum wail the ballad "Riddles, My Precious." They could even incorporate some of the tunes from the old Rankin-Bass production, such as "Clink the Glasses, crack the plates, that's what Bilbo Baggins hates!" and "Where there's a whip, there's a way!" and the classic Glenn Yarbrough version of "The Greatest Adventure" --- The soundtrack would sell MILLIONS!!!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 4:04 p.m. CST

    re Happy Boy: smeagol and deagol

    by Dreamfasting

    The whole smeagol and deagol scene is straight from chapter 2 (in the book, Gandalf lays out the entire backstory of Gollum right away). In any case Tolkien wrote the entire story as if he were a scholar assembling and translating actual fragments of historical record and legend along with contradicting copies of earlier records, not as an eye witness to the events himself. I would not presume to know his reaction to modern attempts to amend his telling of the tale, but personally I do not see anything disrespectful about a little scholarly reinterpretation.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 4:05 p.m. CST

    TrumpyEatsPotatoes

    by BobPalpatine

    I checked and I don't see what you mean. Please explain how these definitions don't fit with what I said: amalgam:a mixture or blend; amalgamation: the action, process, or result of combining or uniting;

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Just Peed in My Pants

    by FingLawyer

    I really enjoyed LOTR, it wasn't entirely what I imagined when I read the books (the first 10 times) - I mean, they didn't hire the band Boston to do the soundtrack - but I really really enjoyed the movies. These guys will do a great job. Think about how they ravished The Golden Compass? This will be great!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Axl Z

    by TerryMalloy

    No...just...no. Don't even mention his...[vomit in my mouth, hold on...]

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 4:06 p.m. CST

    mcfly you really are a funny guy

    by semisaj

    Goodnight you short, big hairy footed geeks..watch Juno its a brilliant film. flossygomez- love that name!!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Ok.. so that was a joke...

    by ZeroCorpse

    But is Orson Bean still alive? He might be a nice addition to the Hobbit as someone. Seeing as he played Gandalf in the original animated films, I think it would be cool to include him. <p> Too bad Roddy McDowal is dead, too.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 4:07 p.m. CST

    trumpyeatspotatoes

    by BobPalpatine

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Nonsense, there hasn't been a dragon around here for years

    by Orionsangels

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 4:10 p.m. CST

    JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH BILBO BAGGINS...

    by Lanceloco

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 4:11 p.m. CST

    McFly

    by TerryMalloy

    Harry just, like, really enjoys movies. Even if they suck. Don't ruin the cinema for him. Ok? Please. He's an innocent.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 4:11 p.m. CST

    MGM announced today they'll milk this franchise for everything i

    by Orionsangels

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 4:12 p.m. CST

    BUT BOB SHAYE IS STILL A PIECE OF SHIT!!!!

    by ludmir88

    FUCK YOURSELF BOB!!!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 4:15 p.m. CST

    ZeroCorpse

    by emvan

    To call you full of crap would be an insult to actual shit containers. It's a freaking WAR STORY. Most war stories have no women at all, for the most painfully obvious reasons. Except this one has a woman warrior who actually accomplishes the single most heroic battlefield feat of the entire story. By any objective standards (specially for the 1940s when it was written) this is not misogyny, this is radical feminism.<br><br>And of course he had no respect for women, which is why the oldest and wisest member of the oldest and wisest race in Middle-Earth is an Elven Queen who spends most of the book correcting things her husband says.<br><br>And if you really knew your Tolkien you would know that he spent all the years from the publication of LOTR to his death obsessing about Galadriel's back story, revising it again and again to make her more and more important. This is consistent with the importance of the female characters in his original mythos, where they were often heroic (most notably Luthien who was a model for the more active Arwen that we see in the movies.)<br><br>And let's not even mention the fact that the King of the Valar (highest angelic powers) is mentioned once -- and not by name! -- while his Queen is the being that the characters pray to (including Sam and Frodo, spontaneously) and who answers those prayers. Yeah, an entire mythos with a female semi-deity. Really misogynistic there.<br><br>

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 4:16 p.m. CST

    BRIAN COX FOR THORIN OAKENSHIELD!!

    by performingmonkey

    Brian Cox is quite simply made for the role of Thorin Oakenshield. He's about the right age for it too IMO, he's fairly old in the book I'm sure, but not too old so he's perfect. If he can reprise his role as Stryker in the pointless Wolverine film he can do something great like The Hobbit! The other Dwarves could be played by a variety of British actors. I'm sure they'll amp up the comedy value, particularly with the fat Dwarf, Bombur, and they should make a couple of the younger Dwarves Merry and Pippin-like. Mckellen just HAS to be back as Gandalf, despite them having to get around the fact that he will look older than he did in a movie that takes place 60 years later! I'm sure they'll manage. Serkis back as Gollum too! That whole part with the goblins and the riddle game in Gollum's cave should be absolutely classic! The fight with the Great Goblin should be ramped up to the max! Also, the huge Battle of Five Armies at the end has massive potential.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Irons for Smaug!

    by DocPazuzu

    Yep, I'm definitely in that camp. <p> Blessed? Not so much. The last thing we need is Boss Smaug Nass or the impulse to yell "DIIIIIIIIVE!!!" when Smaug attacks.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 4:19 p.m. CST

    That is an unfounded accusation

    by TerryMalloy

    Where's your proof? Speculation I say. Conjecture. Slander, even.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Shake it Up

    by flossygomez

    I think they should do an all out twee version, with dwarves wearing bright red pointy hats and scarlet scandinavian cheeks eating apples on the road. Singing Andrew Lloyd Weber songs. Smaug should be Humel figurine cute with a tiny renaissance statue penis. The Lucky Charms leprechaun would make a brief appearance huckstering his cereal and engaging in sodomy with Orlando Bloom.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 4:22 p.m. CST

    And to put an end to the debate

    by TerryMalloy

    No, Tolkien is not misogynistic. Got it? Not against the women-folk. That's all.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 4:26 p.m. CST

    OK, There's One Outdated Moment

    by emvan

    When Eowyn is thrilled to "be a shield-maiden no more" and marry Faramir, it grates a little to modern sensibilities. But this is portrayed as a marriage of equals. They will govern Ithilien together. There's not a single female character who is subservient to her man.<br><br> I'm sure there's a small amount of incredibly misguided and ill-informed radical feminist literary criticism that attacks Tolkien on these ground. Citing it's existence doesn't make you or it right.<br><br> (Just for the record: male, former card-carrying member of N.O.W. and several other feminist groups, close friend for 20 years of the son of a radical feminist law professor who was notoriously murdered. I think I've earned the right to call out the insane wing of the movement.)

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 4:27 p.m. CST

    re event films

    by DocPazuzu

    You know, I hadn't realized how much I missed those magic holiday seasons with a new LOTR film every year. We were truly spoiled rotten by that experience. Just the thought that we'll have that again within a couple of years and in the same universe is just bliss. <p> We'll also get some champion talkbacking over the next few years as well. For those of us who have been here long enough to remember, the LOTR talkbacks represent truly high points in AICN history filled with erudite comments on the material at hand but also an enormous amount of madness, hilarity, outrage and venom. <p> Here's to the next few years of juicy tidbits, set reports, trailer rumors and what will certainly be an almost unendurable anticipation!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 4:28 p.m. CST

    my thoughts on Smaug

    by Bloo

    Dragons talking never seem to look right, I don't know why but it doesn't, however, whenever I read The Hobbit, it always seemed to me that Smaug was communicating to Bilbo via mental telepathy type. If my memory serves correct and it may not, but is Bilbo the only one that Smaug talks too? You could even have Gandalf or bilbo explain that it was due to the ring, but it wasn't connected to until later, just a thought.<P>for VO work, I love the idea of Brian Blessed even if he's also a dwarf, however if you wanted to go more sinister, go for Irons or Rickman<P>and if this comes out 2010 along with Narnia and Deathly that's 3 dragon movies as Dawn Treader has a nice extended squence with Eustace as a dragon...btw I don't think DT is unadaptable, but it should be done by me as it is my fav of the Narnia books

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 4:28 p.m. CST

    What about Children of Hurin?

    by crackerfarmboy

    Should they make that into a film as well? It's a pretty good read.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Emvan

    by TerryMalloy

    The debate is over, remember? No need to post on it anymore. I decided. I'm the decider. Tolkien does not hate women.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 4:32 p.m. CST

    DocPazuzu

    by TerryMalloy

    Were the comments on LOTR really erudite? That seems unlikely. AICN talkbacks have never quite had the sophistication of an academic journal to me. But one can hope.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 4:36 p.m. CST

    My prediction...

    by Sledge Hammer

    ...the theatrical cut will be good, but feel like it's missing something, and the pacing won't be quite right, while the inevitable extended version released 9 or 10 months later will, despite being longer, actually feel shorter, as the pacing works far better, and plot holes and inconsistencies are plugged. It's like I done saw into the future, aint it?

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Ian Holm

    by the Grobe

    Reynard Muldrake, and others, remember that Gandalf's said to Bilbo in Fellowship "Why Bilbo, you haven't aged a day!". While I know this is a common saying that you say to old people to butter them up, Gandalf had a look of concern and suspicion in his eyes when he said it. He literally meant Bilbo hadn't aged visibly, in my opinion. Bring on the Return of the Ians!!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 4:40 p.m. CST

    If Jackson only produces, Joss Whedon to write and direct!

    by MrFloppy

    :D

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 4:51 p.m. CST

    the talking dragon syndrome

    by occula

    we can only hope PJ exercises drastic control over that situation. hopefully he will be in good form with it as isn't he doing temeraire, which is choc-a-block full of jibberjabbering dragons?

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 4:52 p.m. CST

    BOB SHAYE SAID THIS A WEEK AGO:

    by ludmir88

    Hey The Golden Compass is a failure, lets call Peter Jackson. I need to suck the tits of this guy on more time.... (moments later)...Hello? Pete? Hi is your great friend Bob. Yeah the one who behaved like a son of a bitch with no brains all these years. What? NO no no. I'm not going to stab you in the back this time ... but you know I'm a "man" of business....

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 4:53 p.m. CST

    I'm glad they came to their senses

    by CherryValance

    Now we can love New Line again. *big hug*

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 4:53 p.m. CST

    DocPazuzu

    by Darth Thoth

    I agree. I miss those LOTR holiday seasons. We really were spoiled. I think this announcement comes at a great time to really put us in the mood and get excited about The Hobbit. This is great news. Count me excited folks. My main concern now is finding the right director. This issue of handing off the reigns is key. Here's the example- it's the difference between getting an Empire Strikes Back or getting a Return of the Jedi. And no disrespect to Jedi because I love it but it was no Empire. A director is so important and I'm a little disappointed PJ won't be the man here. I just hope the right person is picked and PJs magic/ love for the material translates to the director. This is our only shot at getting something comprable to LOTR.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Just stop with the Smaug=Blessed,Irons,Jones etc

    by DoctorWho?

    I love those guys but I dont want/need to hear the usuall voiceover suspects. Cast fresh and semi unknown,please.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Will Jackson Direct?

    by red ezra

    that is the question

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Terrence Stamp as Smaug

    by Han Cholo

    It has to happen. Either him or Frank "KNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLL!!!!"Langella would be perfect for Smaug.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Sean Connery as the voice of Smaug!!!!

    by ludmir88

    DRAGONHEART was mehhhh btw.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 4:59 p.m. CST

    shaye, if mcKellen dies before this, you shall pay

    by pipergates

    ...your debt in hell. as you already had to pay, why did you wait so long, YOU FOOL?

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 4:59 p.m. CST

    skycrapper, hell yeah we want Prydain

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    Andy Serkis for Gurgi. Karl Urban for Gwydion. Sean Connery comes out of retirement for Dallben. You know they'll CGI the cauldron born unfortunately. Oh who am I kidding, they'll never make this. In that case Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan, and Britney Spears for Orddu, Orwen, and Orgoch.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 5:01 p.m. CST

    was watching Jedi and...

    by Han Cholo

    The movie is on par with Empire right up until we see Wicket walk up to an unconscious Princess Leia. The space battle, the forest fight, the duel with Vader and Luke, pretty much everything without Ewoks was on par or better than Empire.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 5:02 p.m. CST

    nope...they never will

    by occula

    in the endless digging through all available fantasy out there, they (whoever they is) will pull out 'the black cauldron', give it a shake, notice the disney movie that falls out, and toss it back. *sigh*

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 5:03 p.m. CST

    McAvoy or Freeman as Baggins..

    by pipergates

    think McAvoy might be even better, good call. He could do with a bit of fattening up for that role though.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 5:05 p.m. CST

    TerryMalloy

    by DocPazuzu

    "Erudite" is perhaps a bit of an exaggeration but the level of discourse was certainly a lot higher many times in those days.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 5:10 p.m. CST

    guuh!

    by occula

    mcavoy, put him on a slice of toast and butter him up for me. he could totally do the 'you WILL believe that in 40 man-years i will become ian holm' bit.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 5:11 p.m. CST

    ps

    by occula

    for anybody who doesn't know and was wondering what exactly was up with that last post, yes, i am one of the few females on this site.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 5:11 p.m. CST

    A darker Hobbit?

    by Oz J Thomas

    I think it's a much lighter book, with only hints of a dark lord or anything like that so a darker movie really wouldn't be appropriate. Also, not too sure about the bridge movie. I was never a fan of Silmarillion, Lost Tales and stuff like that. It's all interesting backstory, but not sure how it would work as a movie or if it even should be filmed. As a side note, I kinda liked the old Rankin-Bass Hobbit animation, much more complete than the fragmented LoTR animations, although there are parts that could be improved.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 5:14 p.m. CST

    2 movies 3 and a half hours each

    by BurgerKing

    Despite the Hobbit being considerably shorter than any LOTR and there being two movies, I have a feeling they are still going to be long as fuck. Which is fine, but even though I enjoy having my RotK extended in my collection, I can not sit through it in one watching. Too much!!<p> Hopefully this second movie isn't a huge suckfest because The Hobbit is pretty awesome and I think it's pretty straightforward how it feeds into LOTR, but then again, the general public are a bunch of stupid fucks who need a whole nother entire movie to realize that Bilbo is the old dude from Fellowship of the Ring and that Frodo's ring is the same one he found.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 5:15 p.m. CST

    doc

    by TerryMalloy

    Why do you think that is?

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 5:17 p.m. CST

    McFly's Band?

    by Lord Nerd

    Is that for real? ahahha Please tell me no.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 5:21 p.m. CST

    it is time for Lubezki

    by jivatmax

    to direct

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Cool - but can we please have an intermission?

    by Yeti

    By the end of The Return of the King and King Kong I had to pee so bad my teeth were floating.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 5:24 p.m. CST

    I agree with a lot of what I've read here.

    by RandySavage

    Director (if not Jackson) should be Peter Wier, Ridley Scott or Gore Verbinski. McKellen as Gandalf the Grey will be a treat as I much preferred that performance/costume over Gandalf the White. Thorin: I like the Gleeson suggestion. Bard: maybe Daniel Day Lewis or Gerard Butler as Bard. Thranduil: David Bowie? probably too recognizable. Elrond, Sam Neill (or Weaving for continuity). I would love to see Ian McShane in a Tolkien film... maybe as the Goblin King or Master of Laketown.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Simon Pegg as Bilbo...

    by nonlocalized

    Get him to put on about 20 pounds (and a wig), and he's perfect; performance-wise,there's nothing the man can't do. And of course, you can't go wrong with Nick Frost as a dwarf. Or with Andy Serkis as a dwarf, for that matter. I'm also throwing in my money for Tommy Lee Jones as Thorin. Maybe too recognizeable, but on the other hand, he does tend to disappear into his roles. And he's got that great combination of crankiness and world-weary nobility.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 5:33 p.m. CST

    what we can expect in the 2nd film...

    by kimbers

    There is loads of potential here.... we could see the witch king defeated in angmar, gloins? doomed quest to moria, the necromancer aka sauron setting up home in mirkwood,the fall of isengard? might even squeeze in Tom Bombadil! either way id love to see some wights just a few requests.... im sorry raimi i love the evil deads, quite fond of hercules, i like spiderman but hes just got too cheesey, to much soppiness has crept in secondly i kinda think the music in lotr was a weaker element, certainly had enough of those haunting irish pipes n stuff with titanic etc ps mcshane would kick ass as a goblin king but they couldnt get away with the swearing or the fucking

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 5:36 p.m. CST

    I'd personally like to see

    by TerryMalloy

    Fresh faces.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 5:39 p.m. CST

    This is going to force me to go back and re-read The Hobbit.

    by rbatty024

    For me the only choice to play Bilbo Baggins is Ian Holm. Anyone else will be a disappointment. Slap a curly black whig onto him and a little powder on his face and he's good to go. I like the idea of having a different director, hopefully this means a more innocent feel to the movie. As far as the in-between film, I'm nervous. Straying too far from Tolkein's world could really screw things up.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 5:45 p.m. CST

    they're remaking starsky and hutch??!!

    by TerryMalloy

    When is it coming out?? Oh. My. Goodness. I'm so excited

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Tolkien and Women

    by ZeroCorpse

    I didn't say he hated women, or hit them, or even said nasty things about them... But if you do ANY research you'll see that the debate as to whether or not he LIKED women as characters is VALID, and REAL. Do it. I'll wait. Hit Google and type "Tolkien and Women" and "Tolkien misogyny" and see how many fucking hits you get. Essays, dissertations, novels, studies, and discussions galore exist on the subject. <p> I'm not saying that *I* know anything about it, or that I have any particular insight into Mr. Tolkien's heart or mind. All I'm saying is that the subject is well covered in discussions about literature, and that he didn't exactly write many compelling, interesting, fleshed-out female characters in his books. I'm saying that Fran Walsh's additions, despite pissing off Tolkien purists, were beneficial in a theatrical sense because they made sure half the audience didn't feel alienated. Sure, it's modern politically correct whitewashing, but it WORKED, and it's something Mr. Tolkien would NOT have done himself. <p> I am in no way judging the man, or his work. I'm merely pointing out that plenty of other people-- scholarly, important, well-read, well-informed people-- DO bring the topic of Tolkien's shying away from writing female characters into discussion. <p> There's no agreeing with me or not. I'm not taking a side in the issue. I didn't think his characterizations of women were particularly well-done (he makes them very two-dimensional) but I didn't have a problem with it in the context of what he was writing. <p> Stop putting words in my mouth or assuming I have some opinion that might question Tokien's brilliance. I do not. I am merely presenting information that literature scholars have gathered and debated for many, many years now. <p> Like I said-- before you jump down my throat, why don't you do a little research. it's a valid topic, no matter what opinion you hold. I personally hold NO opinion on the topic, but the topic IS out there, and it HAS been questioned before.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 5:49 p.m. CST

    I think I just reflexively ejaculated geek juice.

    by darquelyte

    Best case scenario is if Fran writes and directs. I mean why not?

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Oh, and my feminist cred:

    by ZeroCorpse

    Just for the record, since you mentioned it, I too am a feminist, supporter of the E.R.A., volunteer at free clinics (helping women get past violent Xtians blocking the doors), former rape counselor, and other do-gooder's activities. <p> I don't have a problem with women. Frankly, I think they're better than men in several ways. However, I do think Mr. Tolkien shied away from writing women as much more than background characters. Not necessarily subservient, but certainly not fully realized in the same way his male characters were. <p> And again, for the record, a lot of the writings about Tolkien's dislike of women are NOT from feminists. Look around. You'll be surprised.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 5:55 p.m. CST

    The battle of Five armies!

    by BillyPilgrim

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Thorin Oakenshield, Gandalf, Elrond and Bard

    by BillyPilgrim

    Kicking unholy Goblin and Warg ass! Then.....GIANT FUCKING EAGLES! Fuck giant fucking robots. I want GIANT FUCKING EAGLES! Oh what glorious fanboy geekdom bliss! Hate on bitches. I'll be grinning for the world.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Lubezki! why not? but better with Cuaron again...

    by pipergates

    viva mejico cabrones.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 6:05 p.m. CST

    zerocorpse

    by TerryMalloy

    The debate is over dammit! Just kidding. Well played.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Hobbit tomboy beanpoles gotta eat!

    by briantag

    PJ needs to do Halo. Work it into the similaarlliaianilllaion or whatever it's called. Call it the Halobbit. Don't care. Just do the Halo.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Peter Jackson back where he belongs...

    by Uncle Bobo

    That is, standing on the shoulders of Tolkein, 'cause that's about all he's really good at.* *See Jackson's horrid "King Kong"

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 6:32 p.m. CST

    You knew it was coming.

    by S.Lowrey

    I think New Line knew it too. Actually, New Line probably knew for awhile that Compass wasn't going to make any money so they probably kept the line open. Golden Compass's first weekend (26 mil) had to pave the way for this thing. The 2nd weekend (9 mil) pretty much sealed the deal it would seem. So now, the next question is, "Do they keep Bob Shaye?"

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 6:37 p.m. CST

    The sequel story is the siege of Dol Gulgur and Aragorn's deeds

    by spacechampion

    From: http://dragonworld.tv/blog/fantasy/the-hobbit-movie-casting-and-story-choices/ "Jackson had said that part of it will be Gandalf’s story of infiltrating the Necromancer’s lair in Dol Guldur (south Mirkwood) while Bilbo and the Dwarves were off to the Lonely Mountain. After discovering that the Necromancer was in fact Sauron, as he suspected, Gandalf spends years gathering the forces of Elves and the Council of Wizards (perhaps others too) to attack Dol Guldur and drive Sauron out — setting up the story of the Lord of the Rings with Sauron returning to his ancient seat of power in Mordor. So this “sequel” the producers are talking about could mainly be a big fight at Dol Duldur, but probably will contain a few things happening around the rest of Middle Earth, like some of the missions that Aragorn (who was born around the time of the Hobbit) went on in his youth on behalf of Gandalf and Elrond, and some of the goings on at Minas Tirith when Aragorn (under an alias) served Denethor’s father Ecthelion II, including leading a victorious war against the Corsairs of Umbar (the same people in Return of the King on the ships that Aragorn defeated with the help of those ghosts). In this Hobbit sequel they could cover (Gimli’s uncle) Balin’s doomed quest to retake Moria. Perhaps they’ll show the orcs multiplying and threatening all the lands west of the Misty Mountain in Eriador, though not the Shire in that time period (the Shire was invaded about 300 years previously by orcs, but not in the 80 year period of this sequel). In the first movie, which should cover The Hobbit it’s possible Aragorn’s father Arathorn could feature in a small role. So my best guess is this Hobbit sequel will focus largely on Aragorn, in the fight at Dol Guldur (nothing Tolkien wrote says he didn’t participate in that, and it’s bloody likely he did under an alias), and helping out where he can in wars for Rohan and Gondor. I’d love to see Balin’s Moria quest, but it may not be possible to include that in a coherent story with the rest of the film, if Aragorn is the central character. The Dol Guldur story brings in Gandalf, the White Council of Wizards, and Elrond, Legolas and the Elves, and Aragorn brings in Arwen and Arathorn. Oh, and don’t forget it was Aragorn that Gandalf sent to track down Gollum. One hope for Balin’s story would be if the Dwarves of the Lonely Mountain (contrary to what Tolkien wrote) are brought in against the Necromancer as well, before going off to Moria. With all that, I think we’d be in for a pretty solid movie."

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Matthew broderick

    by TerryMalloy

    Should fight baby Godzilla rapter things in the Godzilla. That'd be swell.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Christopher Tolkien hated the movies

    by Prossor

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 6:46 p.m. CST

    McFly! Is that your band?

    by Lord Nerd

    The Hobbit movies will kick ass by the way.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 7:02 p.m. CST

    THat's the power of Love!!

    by Lord Nerd

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 7:06 p.m. CST

    How about a nod to Rob Inglis?

    by kevinwillis.net

    He does a great reading of The Hobbit and LOTR. He could be one of the dwarves, or one of the men of the lake. I'm praying for Ian Holm, somehow, someway. That would be perfect . . . natch, Ian McKlellan as Gandalf and Hugo Weaving as Elrond. John Rhys Davis as Gloin would work for me . . .

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Woo fucking hoo!

    by raw_bean

    :^)

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Christopher Tolkien Has Been Mining His

    by kevinwillis.net

    Dad's legacy for cash for years.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 7:14 p.m. CST

    This is HUGE for MGM.

    by Barry Egan

    MGM has struggled for decades. Other than the Bond series they pretty much have nothing.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 7:18 p.m. CST

    That's the One, McFly

    by kevinwillis.net

    Arwen, Luthien, Galadriel, Eowyn . . . man, he just hated the women. And dwarves. He was very anti-dwarf. Just ask Thorin!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Oh, and on the Tolkien and women debate....

    by raw_bean

    ...ZeroCorpse is right. I'm a huge fan of the man and his work, have pretty much every book of his that's commonly available - including his letters and some of his poetry, but on one occasion I just had to cringe when he said something along the lines of 'women being intelligent in their own way, but it not being possible to educate them to the same level as men'. In fact all emvan's examples were mostly what people take as evidence *FOR* Tolkien's struggles with perceiving and writing women as dramatic charac ters, not against them: all the examples of female charac ters being *worshipped*, usually from afar (Arwen, Elbereth Gilthoniel, Galadriel), not of them actually doing or feeling or saying anything very interesting in the story. The few contrary examples would be Luthien, who represented his wife and the love of his life in the story, and Eowyn, who he added to the story specifically for the benefit of his daughter who was becoming old enough to take an interest in the stories but noticed as had many others (except emvan) the lack of relatable female characters in the story. And as emvan himself noticed, Eowyn's 'warrior woman' persona was, unlike all the heroic warrior men, essentially portrayed as a suicidal depression and 'wrong' behaviour and when she was healed by the love of a good man she settled down to marry. Not knocking anything in LOTR b y the way, its antique nature of story-telling is why I love it (and why I love the Silmarillion far more than the Hobbit), just saying ZeroCorpse has a point and he's right about the stuff Fran Walsh directing added much to the movie, which much though we could wish it otherwise has to grow apart somewhat from the book to work.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Did Tolkien Ever Ask Himself

    by kevinwillis.net

    Why the Orcs hated us so? What is that we did to provoke the wrath of Sauron?<br><br>BTW, you can thank me for this. I've been listening to the Hobbit audiotape and focusing my mental powers on thinking: these movies should be made. Soon it will be too late to be consistent with the LOTR trilogy. The time is nigh! And then it happens. When I can get that to happen with cash raining from the sky (I'm working on it), I'll let you know.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 7:21 p.m. CST

    If Holm's not Bilbo...

    by nonlocalized

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 7:23 p.m. CST

    I Almost Forgot Goldberry

    by kevinwillis.net

    Tolkien was in love with Goldberry. You could tell. And he had a thing for Galadriel. He liked the women, sorry.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 7:25 p.m. CST

    If Holm's not Bilbo...

    by nonlocalized

    why not cast him as Thorin? Check out his pic of him as King Lear: http://tinyurl.com/2kfgae Just lengthen the beard by a foot or so...

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 7:27 p.m. CST

    OH MY GOD HOLY SHIT!!

    by Dr. Egon Spengler

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 7:28 p.m. CST

    Tolkien Had More Respect for Women Than

    by kevinwillis.net

    Most modern fantasy, where women are scantily-clad warrior queens that can win the battle and show their boobs. And then show their boobs. And then show their ass. And then show their boobs.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Oh, and Thank the Golden Compass

    by kevinwillis.net

    For tanking. Try and make a fantasy without Peter Jackson, will you?

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 7:30 p.m. CST

    I told you guys

    by TerryMalloy

    that the Tolkien/women debate is over. You guys are making me feel that my authority here is impotent. Please stop!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 7:31 p.m. CST

    It's about TIME!!!

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    Maybe now New Line can make back all of the money they lost bashing religion in "The Golden Compass."

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 7:38 p.m. CST

    So they are doing the Hobbit plus

    by brobdingnag

    another whole movie out of Tolkien's notes and index writings? First of all there doesn't need to be a "bridge" between the Hobbit and LOTR so if that's what they have in mind it will be awful. If on the other hand they intend to do something from forgotten tales or from the Silmarillion then it could be great. Of course Jackson captured lightning in a bottle filming the trilogy mostly as one film, no matter how good these new films are they won't as good as LOTR.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 7:41 p.m. CST

    kevinwillis, contrast:

    by raw_bean

    "Arwen, Luthien, Galadriel, Eowyn"<p> with <p>"Aragorn, Beren, Hurin, Turin, Tuor, Feanor, Fingolfin, Thingol, Turgon, Earendil, Elrond, Denethor, Boromir, Gandalf, Saruman, Bilbo, Frodo, Sam, Faramir, Eomer, Theoden, Merry, Pippin, Legolas, Gimli, Thorin, Thranduil, Bard, Beorn, etc. No-one's saying Tolkien didn't have a go at strong female characters, just that they were more the exception than the rule, and they were never his strong point. Though the stories are enriched by the ones he did do.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Maybe New Line Can Make Back the Money They Lost

    by kevinwillis.net

    Making a bad movie with the Golden Compass.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Raw_Bean

    by kevinwillis.net

    That different than saying Tolkein didn't like women, or was a misogynist. There are plenty more males and females and, indeed, only one or two dwarf females, period, than I can think of being referred to in the annals. One proper queen (that held the power of the king). The Ent wives were missing (and the Ents were pining for 'em, no pun intended). Still, I think there is a big difference between the tale Tolkein wanted to tell, and being misogynist.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 7:48 p.m. CST

    you know who should play bilbo...

    by lavatory love machine

    remember snatch? that guy who played jason stahan's partner, I dont even know his name but he would be perfect

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Superman

    by kevinwillis.net

    What a misogynist movie that is. Man! It's in the name. He's the hero. The so-called Super "Man"!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 7:51 p.m. CST

    I tried this in the Speed Racer talkback

    by TerryMalloy

    but no one bothered to answer me. Am I the only one that thinks Emile Hirsch looks eerily like a skinny Jack Black? This is not a rhetorical question. I want opinions.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Prince Leia, Sure

    by kevinwillis.net

    But then there's Han, Luke, C3P0 (okay, so he's gay), Obi Wan . . . the rest are all guys! Lucas was a misogynist. Star Wars was anti-woman!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 7:55 p.m. CST

    I Thought LOTR Was The Sequel To THE HOBBIT?

    by LaserPants

    Wait a second, theres ANOTHER book inbetween? Oh, no, wait, they're basing it on... appendices? Dear lord. Whats next? A third Hobbit movie made out of Tolkien's stained coffee napkins, soiled undergarments, margin doodles written in telephone books, and pocket lint? Cmon now. One Hobbit movie is plenty. Now its just getting stupid.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 7:58 p.m. CST

    I'm All for Two Hobit Movies

    by kevinwillis.net

    A telling of the history in the Annals of the Kings, the Silmarillion, the Children of Durin, etc.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 7:59 p.m. CST

    They need to find the Ewan to Holm's Alec

    by Anakin Whoopass

    But once The Hobbit is done, will Jackson replace Holm's flashback scene with Hayden Christensen?

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Two Hobbit Movies, I Mean

    by kevinwillis.net

    I don't want anything to do with two Hobitch movies.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 8:01 p.m. CST

    There's Enough of Us Tolkein Addicts

    by kevinwillis.net

    They could make four movies out of The Hobbit and the other stuff, and we'd show up. "Must . . . have . . . Hobbit!"

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 8:04 p.m. CST

    They Can Have my Cash! At least, about $75

    by kevinwillis.net

    I figure for the tickets, then the special edition DVDs, maybe a rental or on-demand in there somewhere. I love my LOTR. I love the special editions, where Celeborn is mysteriously pasted in Lothlorien with Galadriel when he was absent from the theatrical release. Awesome! I love Tolkein, I love what Fran Wash and Jackson did with the movies . . . if I can, I'll see 'em opening day, or soon after.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Orson Bean

    by cyberskunk

    Wait, wait, didn't Orson play Bilbo? I'm not sure who he played, but John Huston played Gandalf. (on search engine later) Yeah, Bilbo. <p> I liked Brother Theodore's Gollum voice.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 8:06 p.m. CST

    Yeah, but I'd go see 'em, McFly

    by kevinwillis.net

    I'm stilling holding hope all this motion-capture stuff Zemeckis is doing is so that he can finally make a Back To The Future 4. I'd be a Back to the Future whore, too.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 8:08 p.m. CST

    I don't care if it's boring

    by TerryMalloy

    I just need validation! I feel alone, McFly. So terribly alone.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 8:10 p.m. CST

    You Know Who Tolkein Really Hated?

    by kevinwillis.net

    The Wild Men of the East. Put that in your pipe (with your Longbottom leaf) and smoke it.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 8:10 p.m. CST

    CUARON

    by Vesuvio

    for this motherfucking movie, unless it's CGI. I don't think he would do it if so. In that case, give him the fucking Deathly Hallows on 2009.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 8:22 p.m. CST

    spacechampion, nice possible scenario there

    by pipergates

    ah, its back to Middle Earth again

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Will PJ Address The Baggins' Raging Homosexuality?

    by LaserPants

    Seriously, Bilbo is clearly gay as is Frodo. Sam was more latent gay -- clearly he plugged Frodo's Hobbit hole with his magical knob -- but in the end he settled for Mary Beard, the Hobbit ho from the tail end of the Shire. He reckoned "it's either a stable, bland, fake heterosexual marriage, or a desperate open-ended exploration of the wild side at the local bathhouse, diseases to follow." And Sam wussed out, whilst Frodo went to the twinkly magical land to explore his sexuality on the spiritual plane. Really th whole LOTR saga is an allegory about coming out of the closet. "No more need for invisible magic rings cause comin' out! Yay!" And then they all dance to some corny celtic fife and drum music whilst playing footsie forever in gay heaven.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 8:26 p.m. CST

    MARTIN FREEMAN AS BILBO!!!!

    by Salchucks

    He's perfect for the part. I hope Jackson realizes it.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Finally!

    by stueaben

    great news. hopefully we won't get 13 dwarves tossed about for comical relief.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 8:29 p.m. CST

    I Hope Tom Bombadilly Is In It

    by LaserPants

    I liked how he dressed colorfully, danced and sang. Yay!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Tumnus as Bilbo

    by AntoniusBloc

    I think that could work, Mcevoy from Atonement as Bilbo Baggins

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 8:39 p.m. CST

    OK, probably already suggessted, but yes Mcevoy as Bilbo

    by AntoniusBloc

    that freeman guy is too goofy, I vote for Mcevoy to play Bilbo Baggins, who's with me?

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 8:40 p.m. CST

    yes,Cuaron, he's spotless...unlike Jackson

    by pipergates

    Peter did good but as seen in KingKong specially, he is uneven. Alfonso is a bloody marvel. Best Potter is his, best scifi i ever saw is his Children of Men.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 8:40 p.m. CST

    Isn't Pedophilia A Prerequisite For The Clergy?

    by LaserPants

    I thought that was part of the initiation. You have to diddle a child for Jeebus, and then another priest absolves you.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Cuaron Pwns Jackson

    by LaserPants

    I loved LOTR, but CHILDREN OF MEN is easily the greatest film of the decade thus far... alongside PAN'S LABYRINTH, of course, which is in a close, nearly overlapping, second.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 8:47 p.m. CST

    If Mckellan couldn't do it...

    by AntoniusBloc

    Liam Neeson would be a perfect Gandalf, probably physically closer to the way Tolkien described, or course would have to be made up to look older, he has the voice, acting skills, but McKellan was about as close to perfect in voice and is simply a great actor, did an awesome job...but the idea of Darkman doing it intrigues me, i think he would be great too

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Jackson's thoughts on Two Hobbit movies

    by nerall

    A lot of people are asking why two movies - look at Jackson's thoughts on the two movie premise in an old interview with Quint: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/30085

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Children of Men Sucked

    by kevinwillis.net

    Seriously, I heard it was all kinds of wonderful, and I watched it and it was completely either: "meh." or "that's stupid. That's stupid. That's dialog? Why would they be doing that. Oooh, that's from the 'look pensive to cover up gaping plot holes' school of acting. Awesome. Michael Cain's 'pull my finger' before getting shot was the only thing worth watching in that entire film.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 8:55 p.m. CST

    FUCK YES

    by That 70s Venom

    GO BILBO GOOOOO

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 8:56 p.m. CST

    This From The Guy Who Wants 2 Movies Based On One Book

    by LaserPants

    Pwnage! Now do defend King Kong, please. Thats always fun to read.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Another media attack on the Church

    by AntoniusBloc

    Not gonna turn this discussion into this mindlessness, but the whole priest/pedophila thing is a media driven attack on the only religion left politically correct to attack, not that the issue wasn't real and poorly handled by the Church, but to make some kind of natural connection between the two is a purely media driven myth, the sickness and evil of pedohilia that seeped into the Church is no different from that same sickness that exists in the culture and society at large, and the FACT is that the percentage of such cases that took place in the institutions of the Church was much less than the percentage of pedhilia cases taking place outside the Church, in secular institutions, especially the public school system...of course not reported by the liberal media. such cases occur in other institutions as well, but the Church, one of the largest institutions in the world, over 2000 years, such cases become noticed and those hostile toward it , like the liberal media elite, took advantage of this opportunity, and suddenly every accusor is legitimate, and one is no longer innocent before proven guilty. The simple fact is, this sickness pervades the cultures and societies of the world, the cases within the Church simply a microcosm of the overrall problem, and the media does a disservice not to report and focus on it as a societal problem, not just the Church. By Lasepants logic, every teacher hired by a private school built by Oprah is child molestor.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Are You Insinuating The Dialogue In LOTR Was Good?

    by LaserPants

    Or even remotely human? Please, man, seriously. Glass houses, much? I mean, yeah, LOTR was great, but, cmon. The overblown bombast straight outta 12 year old DnD sessions is the very height of cornball. But, you know, cool for what it is. I don't see any difference btwn LOTR and STAR WARS at least in this respect.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 9:01 p.m. CST

    Yes, Its A Media Driven Attack, Of Course

    by LaserPants

    All those kids were never raped, they just made it up as part of some shadowy media conspiracy to make everyone gay abotionists. Its true! AND NOW YOU'LL HAVE TO DIE FOR SATAN'S WILL DEMANDS IT! Mwoo ha ha!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 9:14 p.m. CST

    This talkback just took a turn for the worse

    by TerryMalloy

    I'll leave you to your gaybashing/homophobia/childish banter.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Homophobia?

    by LaserPants

    Because Frodo and Sam are clearly gay? Huh? I think its great that they're gay. The gay heroes is one of the reasons LOTR is so cool. Nobody ever does gay heroes. I mean, name one other. Okay, R2D2 and C3PO are clearly gay. But, seriously, what else. I think its you who are the homophobe, sir! Don't fight it! No, seriously, though, lighten up, dude. Its just fun and jokes. We're all gay here. Gay as happy hippy Hobbits! Yay!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 9:24 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I'm Gonna Go Too

    by LaserPants

    I'm sick and tired of all of this craziness. I really wish people would take Hobbit 1 and Hobbit 2: The Hobbiting more seriously. Its sancrosanct. Like Jesus' love. His hot, throbbing love.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 9:26 p.m. CST

    kevinwillis.net

    by messi

    were you born retarded? do you ever ask your mother if the thought of swallowing you instead would of been a better idea than letting you live?

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 9:27 p.m. CST

    The problem with Catholicism doesn't end with...

    by rbatty024

    the pedophile priests. That would be bad enough, but what defenders of the church conveniently leave out is that not only was the incidents "poorly handled" but the Catholic church actively tried to cover up crimes and helped subject thousands of children to dangerous pedophiles. This wasn't one or two instances either, this was close to policy. So, it wasn't just pedophile priests, it was a church organized cover up. I thought religious people were supposed to be moral. Too bad evidence is to the contrary. The most moral and upstanding people I've ever met don't even believe in God, and the most base immoral individuals I've ever met are fundamentalist believers. That's just a personal observation so take what you will from it.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 9:30 p.m. CST

    rbatty024

    by LaserPants

    I raise my glass to you sir. Spot effing on!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 9:32 p.m. CST

    please make this right

    by Epleterte

    please make this right, please make this right, please make this right, please make this right!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 9:33 p.m. CST

    oh poo on you doo doo heads

    by occula

    hey xiphos, how's that for a turn of phrase for you, my dear? i know, i know, it's somewhat lacking in pizzazz, prolly coz i eated too many holiday cookies this afternoon and, as mark says on 'peepshow', i now have to do a poo. anyhow, i was just thinking this TB was already verging into hylarity territory, and somebody earlier mentioned the TBs from back in the LOTR days, and i was agreeing that this too was getting fun already. but apparently some people are really interested in misogyny and sundry and others who DON'T like misogyny and sundry are getting mad about it, and they are stomping off with their bonnets full of bees. so poo on them, i say. and i said it earlier but i'll reiterate, mcavoy for bilbo in '10. altho he'll prolly lose out to simon pegg just like he lost the scotty role. tough to be a scot!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Please buy my Transformers

    by BYOBkenobi

    http://tinyurl.com/2nctcv on eBay, ending tomorrow morning!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 9:33 p.m. CST

    OH MY GOD! OH MY GOD! OH MY GOD!

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    Ringwearer9 is gonna go nuts. I'm sorry, buddy.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 9:38 p.m. CST

    SpyGuy

    by messi

    please don't give warners any ideas about GL. As much as Sinestro Corps War is a movie I want to see in my lifetime alongside JLA and The Hobbit and The Simarillion. Sinestro Corps War would only work with all the backstory, it's what makes it so powerful. There needs to be Hal Jordan becoming Parallax, Kyle Rayner's adventures. Hell if you do all that then do Rebirth, you need at least another movie before Sinestro Corps War that could be a split story film, like Babel but Green Lantern. 1 story is Hal Jordan and the lost Lanterns, another is Kyle Rayner as Ion post Infinite Crisis and the other is Green Lantern Corps with Guy and Ranx the Sentient City. All that is what gives Sinestro Corps War it's heavyness.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Peter Jackson is NOT the guy to lead this project...

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    The Tolkien Elite know this.....

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 9:44 p.m. CST

    That's what they get for making The Golden Compass

    by TallBoy66

    Now all we need is Jackson to not pull one of his horrible pacing tricks like King Kong without seeing the damn monkey for an hour, or the half hour of ending for ROTK. Keep it zippy, Jackson!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Oh...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...Happy Day.<P>And now, the calm before the storm.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 9:51 p.m. CST

    I Want To See Green Lantern vs. Transformers vs. Army of Darknes

    by LaserPants

    Aliens vs. Predators vs. Zombies vs. Draculas vs. Hellraiser vs. Godzilla and so forth and so on. And i should be a three part trilogy, and each part should be no less then 16 hours long.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 9:57 p.m. CST

    I Think Venom Should Be In Hobbit 3

    by LaserPants

    Hobbit 3: Holy Hell's Hobbit Hoedown the Revenge

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Venom AND King Kong... A KING KONG VENOM!

    by LaserPants

    Hobbit 4 right there.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 10:21 p.m. CST

    These'll blow

    by WolfmanNards

    I think that the lord of the rings movies were boring, and bleak. They made middle earth seem like a dreary, and mostly boring place to live in. Everything was dark and cold, and I know that was the intent, but ... boo! Why can't fantasy movies be fun anymore? Chronicles of Narnia, that talking Polar Bear movie, they are so stark I want to slit my wrists when I watch them. What's wrong with the Neverending story approach, or Princess Bride? Lord of the Rings should have been one movie (FUCK YOU) About 2 and a half hours long. The hobbits should have been played by real midgets (All of this polititcally correct poppycock is keeping good midgets out of work) They should have cut all of the bullshit out, and showed us the cool things only. And also, people shouldn't have whispered as much- AAAAAND everything shouldn't be blue. Why the fuck was everything blue in those movies? Also, preemptively, FUCK YOU if you disagree with me. I'm always right, probably.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Good Movies With Real Midgets

    by WolfmanNards

    Star Wars, Willow, Dune, Labyrinth, Time Bandits, Wizard of Oz, Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome, Willow, Masters of the Universe, Poltergeist, Leprechaun, Willow, Total Recall, Swamp Thing, The Station Agent, Freaks, Willow, That James Bond Movie, Willow, The Original Willy Wonka Movie, Willow, Willow, Willow, and some other great stuff.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 10:45 p.m. CST

    its fucking OVER!

    by ironic_name

    lotr was good while it lasted, its over now!<P>move the fuck on!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Sweet Chocolate Coated Pussy Juice

    by That 70s Venom

    YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:01 p.m. CST

    by The Dum Guy

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:05 p.m. CST

    The Hobbit

    by moderate

    Biddy be Yum buddy YO YO Be Yum Buddy YO biddy biddy be yum yo biddy biddy bum buddy yo!!!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:13 p.m. CST

    I'm waiting for Episode VII

    by darthbinks1220

    LOTR is so passe.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:22 p.m. CST

    sick Hobbit animatics

    by GraceStreetDivision

    Anyone seen these? http://tinyurl.com/2fonkp

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:24 p.m. CST

    NEILL BLOMKAMP!

    by Gozu

    He would be an awesome choice for director and he's also right there in NZ with Jackson and WETA. Also, Jackson might end up being a better producer than director (think George Lucas).

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:33 p.m. CST

    bacci40 is right!

    by Orionsangels

    He's saying something that's never been said on talkback before. His post has made a difference! A difference in all our lives. Now have a Jolly Christmas everyone!

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:46 p.m. CST

    I guess you can't just make one movie anymore.

    by greenstyle92

    A movie just isn't a movie unless it gets a sequel. And if you've made two, then why not make another and round it off as a trilogy? Here comes The Hobbit Trilogy: the first one is the hobbit, the second one is parts of the simillrillion, and the last one is Peter Jackson x Fran Walsh porn.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:51 p.m. CST

    logical

    by slkboxrman

    very good news and logical....did anyone think new line would actually make these movies without peter jackson......its gonna make em a ton of money just like the LOTR trilogy...theyd be nuts not to bring him back......laughed at how quick they wrapped up their prob from the original trilogy

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:53 p.m. CST

    Dreamfasting

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    That was a really spot-on trailer idea. Nice.

  • Dec. 18, 2007, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Not too exciting

    by abelkane3434

    Personally I did not like the LOTR films, I just couldn't get into them. But I do appreciate what Jackson was able to create. Also, I feel that he has done his thing with middle earth and it should be handed over to someone else so we can see another vision of that world. Jackson should move on and create some other films. If he stays as a producer on this that is fine, but I would like to see another director step in and bring something new and different to the screen with The Hobbit. A new visual style, and approach to tone. I don't mean Schumacher like changes, but something new.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 12:04 a.m. CST

    s'okay xiphos

    by occula

    maybe anchorite will come in and fuck some shit up instead. man i love that crazy motherfucker!

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 12:22 a.m. CST

    Thank you Golden Compass for failing!!!

    by Drath

    See, the Christian Right did us a favor after all!!! Okay, I kid, I wanted to see the rest of Pullman's movies adapted--at least to see if they even COULD be adapted--but it looks like a weak year and lack of a big hit new franchise in His Dark Materials, had forced New Line to swallow it's pride and make nice with the Kiwi of Middle Earth. He'd BETTER direct though. Two movies out of the Hobbit? Why not make the Hobbit and then the Silmarillion? Or vice versa? Too much? Whatever, I think this could be great stuff (gee, who doesn't at leats hope for that?), but I guess I need to stay cautious. It'd be nice if New Line grew a clue and made the rest of His Dark Materials back to back now while it still can. If it waits, the opportunity is lost forever as that girl who played Lyra is not going to stay the same age.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 12:33 a.m. CST

    RON PAUL loves HOBBITS!

    by shogunshin

    i cant wait for the new lord of the rings, and IM VOTING FOR RON PAUL in 2008! he wants to eradicate INCOME TAX! NO MORE INCOME TAX!!! RON PAUL will save america!

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 12:46 a.m. CST

    CRYSTAL METH

    by carrotop361

    THIS IS GONNA BE AWESOME(chinaman scream) POWERTHIST = CRYSTAL METH IN A CAN POWERTHIRST = CRYSTAL METH IN A CAN RON PAUL = CRYSTAL METH VOTE RON PAUL

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 12:49 a.m. CST

    Christian Bale as Bard!

    by freerangecelt

    Just saying...we got to consider it.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 12:59 a.m. CST

    And since they will have an endless budget...

    by freerangecelt

    that means they don't have to hire every out of work NZ and Aussie actor ...that was a bit tiring in the LOTR films for me.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 1 a.m. CST

    Nimoy & the Hobbit!

    by codymr

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=XC73PHdQX04

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 1 a.m. CST

    Please for the love of GOD...

    by poeticwarriorII

    no more PJ Hobbit movies. Enough goddamn tickle fighting quasi-faggy emo midget soft-core porn scenes. Jesus tap dancing christ you can't get rid of this overrated POS. One more mediocre "classic" for the masses to knuckle-drag to undeserved acclaim. Fuck this shit, get someone new.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 1:03 a.m. CST

    Uuurgh...

    by greenleaf

    People are actually cheering at this news? Ah yes, I remember now. Earth. 2007. What a crappy world to live in.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 1:07 a.m. CST

    Xiphos

    by messi

    bringingsexyback and anchorite are like Hal Jordan and Sinestro with BSB being Hal Jordan. Me and anchorite is like Kyle Rayner and Sinestro. Not a great rivalry like Hal and Sinestro but one nonetheless. Fuck I hate that cunt.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 1:07 a.m. CST

    poeticwarriorII please for the love of God

    by messi

    Kill yourself. if you don't like it. don't watch dumb cunt. the films own your life.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 1:08 a.m. CST

    Earth 2007.

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    Indeed, a weird place.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 1:35 a.m. CST

    RE: jackson's thoughts

    by Lt. Kaffee

    it is a wonderful kids book! making it darker and "deeper" ruins the whole damn adaption. i can see jackson inserting every LOTR film connection he can and even having bard BE fuckin viggo. i hope i'm wrong. the hobbit rules of LOTR. please do it justice.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 1:45 a.m. CST

    P.P.S.

    by Lt. Kaffee

    jackson's directing on elijah's acting was spectacular in LOTR: you've left the shire, look constipated. you've been stabbed, look constipated. the weight of the ring weighs heavy on you, look constipated. you're out of food, look constipated. you wish you never left the shire, look constipated. sheesh, give me a break.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 2:03 a.m. CST

    Battle of the 5 armies...

    by SlickyVonBoner

    Uh what was it... Humans, Elves, Dwarves, Orcs and .. Eagles. That will be the battle to end all battles on the big screen. Throw Beorn in there in bear form trampling the fuck out of everyone. That would kick ASS!!

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 2:09 a.m. CST

    ehhh

    by Series7

    Yeah I am all for only letting Jackson Direct the Hobbit. But ehhhh I'd really like to see him move on to different things. I thought Kong was awesome. Let him come back to this in say 10 years. After all the Potters are done, they've adapted every other epic kids tale into movie that fails.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 2:18 a.m. CST

    Series7

    by batmans_pants

    Couldn't agree with you more. I am tiring of these fantasy films. I'm sure that by the time the Hobbit is released we will have had another half dozen fantasy flicks delivered to the multiplexes.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 2:29 a.m. CST

    Battles of the 7 Corps

    by messi

    maybe that's where Johns got his inspiration for THE BLACKEST NIGHT. 7 Corps at War.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 4:01 a.m. CST

    Michael Wincott as the voice of SMAUG

    by Monkey_King

    That would be nice

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 4:03 a.m. CST

    Sam Raimi & Ian Holm

    by Thall_Joben

    Sam seems like a nice guy but wasn't he responsible for Xena? Seems like a terrible idea to me. As for Ian, I second the notion of using someone younger, maybe with a little prosthetic work - but featuring Ian somewhere. I hope Peter directs, if they change the director they'll loose that feeling of cohesion we'd get.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 4:31 a.m. CST

    Smile little brother, today is a good day

    by MatDGZ

    Shaye and Lynne took LOTR when no one else would - then they all had a fall out with PJ - because, in the words of Carl Denham "I'm someone you can trust, Anne. I'm a movie producer.' A La you can't trust em. And now they wanna get back in bed together - AND I SAY FUCK YEAH! Regardless of what happened since, LOTR was an epic achievment. With Ordesky and Osboune beside PJ, Walsh and Boyens (forget the 'executive producing' Wiensteins) they worked fucking wonders. I am SO HAPPY to hear that The Hobbit is going ahead. Please please please, PJ MUST DIRECT!!!

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 4:40 a.m. CST

    keep Raimi far far away from any Hobbits

    by pipergates

    don't want no dancing goth Hobbits or badly designed villains from you sir.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 5:12 a.m. CST

    The Verdant Trickster returns...Crickhollow laughs!

    by morGoth

    Hiya greenleaf...thought you might show up again. C'mon, even in your darkest of Frenchy hearts, you know this is welcome news. Just think of all the ammo you'll have. Hey, you even have a kindred spirit in Ringbearer9 {[:^) Oh yeah, Praise PJ! Praise him with great Praise!

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 5:19 a.m. CST

    2 Movies to Rule your Pocket

    by CuervoJones

    Sure they want your money

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 5:28 a.m. CST

    In Jackson I trust

    by hum noises for the Beast

    These films would not be the same directed by someone else, Jackson’s team created a vision of middle earth that would look unfamiliar to the mass audience if shot by a different director

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 5:45 a.m. CST

    I still can't believe this is happening.

    by DocPazuzu

    I am so very, very pleased with this outcome.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 5:53 a.m. CST

    Xiphos

    by DocPazuzu

    Not to worry, it's early days yet. There will undoubtedly be epic talkback wars over the next couple of years. <p> Even as we type, ringwearer9 is busy at home, minuscule erection in hand, thinking up reasons and long-winded explanations for why, contrary to what we say, we actually HATE this news and DON'T want a PJ Hobbit. <p> Oh, and contrary to what you might recall, Ringy-poo and I didn't actually cross swords until the King Kong talkbacks. However, most of those "discussions" did indeed deal with LOTR. Some talkbackers (maybe morGoth?) do claim that Ring-a-ding-dingy WAS active in the LOTR TBs but under the name of "Orson".

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 5:55 a.m. CST

    DocPazuzu

    by messi

    Don't worry i'm ready for the War.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 5:56 a.m. CST

    There Should Be At Least 359 Movies Of The Hobbit

    by LaserPants

    There is no way that one 2 and a half hour movie can do it justice. Only a series of consecutively released 16 hour long movies can do this tale justice. Yep. A 300 page adventure novel for children. No way that couldn't be done in 2 hours 30 minutes. IMPOSSIBLE! Have you read Tolkiens pocket lint? Upon that holy lint, Tolkien wrote a whole mess of other overblown Celtic-based names that are just so important to the saga of the Hobbits and their raging closet homosexuality. With Tom Bombadill! Tiddly tee hee!

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 6:48 a.m. CST

    and in other news

    by emeraldboy

    Some story details for t4:the future begins have emerged. John Connor(christian Bale) will not be the main character. Connor wakes up in a future ravaged by radiation and dominated by machines. He meets a man called Marcus. who tells him that he John connor will lead the rebels who rise up against the machines. which as we know leads reese to run into the future, to find find sarah connor and to warn her about the terminator who is coming to kill her and her the unborn son john who will become the leader of the resistance against the machines. There is going to be terminator 5 and 6. there will be a new reese. and a female pilot, whose name I cant remember.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 7:01 a.m. CST

    Gloin is Gimli's father...

    by sambrook

    ...and one of the company of dwarves in The Hobbit. So I'm guessing we'll see John Rhys-Davis back as Gloin, which some will smirk at but I think will make for good continuity. He's covered in make-up anyway so it's easy to believe him as a different dwarf with similarities to Gimli.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 7:07 a.m. CST

    Tom Bombadil vs Predator

    by messi

    who wins. Who can out prance and out dance the other?

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 7:08 a.m. CST

    And Orlando Bloom back too...

    by sambrook

    ...as Legolas, consindering his father, King Thranduil, imprisons the dwarves. One of the most obvious and easiest LOTR cameos considering the age and appearance doesn't matter with elves. Although they will probably have to get a wig for Hugo Weaving, his hair's receeding at a decent speed.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 7:13 a.m. CST

    Good luck on that koan, Xiphos

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    What is the sound of one Cumpston clapping? On a side note, when are we going to start with titles for the second part of this? I'm throwin' down with The Hobbit 2: Walk Harder

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 7:15 a.m. CST

    Smaug speech

    by Dazzler69

    I can't wait for Smaug's speech on how badass he is! If he talks. Let the nitpicking begin!

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 7:19 a.m. CST

    The Hobbit 2: Jedi Outcast

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 7:54 a.m. CST

    Messi: Were You Born Retarded?

    by kevinwillis.net

    Is codespeak for: "You're right and I know it and I don't like it, and I'm a little bitch so I'm going to think up something rude to say, because I've got nothing else."<br><br> I got your number, dude.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Very good news!

    by pokadoo

    Never thought this would happen, with Jackson! Hope all the Rings cast & crew return.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:12 a.m. CST

    "...miniscule erection in hand..."

    by DoctorWho?

    I needed that laugh this morning.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:24 a.m. CST

    HEY XIPHOS - I FOUND YOUR KITE RUNNER REPLY

    by BringingSexyBack

    Thanks for that - always appreciate insight from someone with an intimate knowledge of that country. Glad to know you're doing well too!

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:28 a.m. CST

    6 DAYS TO CHRISTMAS: HAVE YOU ALL BOUGHT MY PRESENTS YET?

    by BringingSexyBack

    If not, then hurry. I like ELECTRONICS

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:31 a.m. CST

    THE HOBBIT 3: TWO HOBBITS, ONE CUP

    by BringingSexyBack

    Is there no limit to Peter Jackson's deviant mind?!?!?!

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:31 a.m. CST

    THE HOBBIT 4: LOVE IN THE AGE OF COLOSTAMY

    by BringingSexyBack

    Jackson's obsession with Hobbit anuses is disturbing, at least to me.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:37 a.m. CST

    THE HOBBIT 5: CROUCHING HOBBIT, HIDDEN PLEASURES

    by BringingSexyBack

    Samwise puts the GAM in Gamgee (stands for Great Anal Massage)

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:39 a.m. CST

    THE HOBBIT 6: FRODO DOES DALLAS

    by BringingSexyBack

    Mr. Greenfeld will pay anything to bag a Baggins.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:42 a.m. CST

    THE HOBBIT 7: IN AND OUT AGAIN

    by BringingSexyBack

    Deep, slow strokes lead to a great adventure.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:44 a.m. CST

    Biscuits

    by JimmyJingles

    I like biscuits with jelly.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:45 a.m. CST

    THE HOBBIT 8: LORD OF THE COCKRINGS

    by BringingSexyBack

    Frodo must destroy the ring of powerful orgasms. But he is inexplicably drawn to it.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:46 a.m. CST

    THE HOBBIT 9: MIDOL GIRL GANG BANG

    by BringingSexyBack

    She likes hobbits, what can I say?

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:47 a.m. CST

    892nd!

    by JimmyJingles

    Sweet.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Billy Bob Thornton is...THE HOBBIT

    by TruPhan

    "Just give me the goddamn ring."

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:57 a.m. CST

    I hope they don't use the same actor's to play...

    by rbatty024

    their character's father. That just looks cheesy and lazy. I highly doubt they'll use Orlando Bloom or John Rhys Davies in these films, and that's the way it should be.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 9:05 a.m. CST

    BSB: The Hobbit 7

    by kevinwillis.net

    Is the only funny one. But if we had to endure the others for "In and Out Again", it was worth it. At least to me.<br><br>"Deep, slow strokes lead to a great adventure." Man, that is just so true.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Orlando Bloom would make a Cameo

    by kevinwillis.net

    As Legolas. There could be some fill in while Bilbo and the Dwarves are in the Mirkwood. Arwen could appear in Elrond's house. I expect Aaragorn was out riding the plains, chasing orcs, or fighting with Rohan during "There and Back Again".If the second movie covers some of the annals of the kings, it could follow a bit of Aaragorn and Arwen at Lothlorien. I'd trust any of that in the hands of Fran Walsh and Peter Jackson.<br><br>John Rhys Davies could play Gloin--he played Treebeard as well as Gimli, after all, and it would make sense that Gloin was similar to Gimli. It's already been said, but I second Brian Blessed as Thorin. "Dwarf-men, Dive!"

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Sweet

    by NightArrows

    So we get more of Jackson's deviating from a classic story, with his over-long slow motion Hobbit whine sessions and smell the fart pauses between every breath. I enjoyed the LOTR films for what they were, but Jackson really ham fisted his way through those novels and ruined many a good character. I just hope we see a Dwarf train run on Bilbo!

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Just to clarify

    by sambrook

    I don't think they'll use Orlando Bloom as Loegolas' dad, I think they'll use him as Legolas. I can't see them resisting the temptation to work him into scenes with his father.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 9:17 a.m. CST

    point-of-fact for McFly in the Ointment (not a flame)

    by Mutant Leader

    Superman Returns was a critical smash; the Time Magazine critic called it "absolutely superb".

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Lots of Critics Dissed Superman Returns

    by kevinwillis.net

    Because it was kind of bland, Lois left a lot to be desired, another huge real estate scheme from Lex Luthor, etc. Wasn't my thing, but for people who liked it: I'm glad they enjoyed it.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 9:31 a.m. CST

    The Christian Right Didn't Kill Compass

    by kevinwillis.net

    New Line killed Compass. Wussing out at the end, not finding a way to make the heady metaphysical stuff more accessible . . . my little girl and her friends loved it, tho. Plus calling the force that unifies all existence "dust" just didn't work for me.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 9:36 a.m. CST

    I saw LOTR before I was even aware of AICN*

    by William Landis

    and all the sniping (albeit compelling, but sometimes very uncalled for) that happens here, and I thoroughly enjoyed all three movies - they're actually milestones in my life. These days, I dare say I'd be coming out with things like "those feet are TOO fucking hairy - Jackson better CG those hirsute motherfuckers or fuck this shit!!!" So, from a purer time, let me say "ROLL ON THE HOBBIT! AND TAKE ME BACK TO MIDDLE-EARTH, PETE!" *Although I did hear back in 97 about some bloke from Texas who was becoming "one of the most powerful men in Hollywood" through his "revolutionary" website but I was ten-years-old then and movie politics really didn't interest me...oh, the fun times I've missed!

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Philip Pullman Killed Compass

    by kevinwillis.net

    Cuz he's an arogant jackass. Quoth (this is Pullman speaking): " 'The Lord of the Rings' is fundamentally an infantile work. Tolkien is not interested in the way grownup, adult human beings interact with each other. He’s interested in maps and plans and languages and codes." Pullman also says Tolkien is "trivial", when Pullman is not fit to lick Tolkien's boots clean. A little less hubris might have informed Pullman, thus is literature, thus the movies, thus New Line might have built a franchise out of them . . . but then, would they have ever settled on The Hobbit with Jackson?<br><br> Thank God, and God bless. :)

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 10:06 a.m. CST

    WHUTCHU TALKING BOUT KEVINWILLIS?

    by BringingSexyBack

    They're all funny. I was laughing at each one. Read them again.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 10:07 a.m. CST

    The immoral and dangerous cover-up is the media's rbatty

    by AntoniusBloc

    The whole 'cover-up' is another conspiracy theory created by the drive-by media, unable to logically analyze the situation. The Church is a huge institution and to interpret its miscommunication as a 'cover-up' is more than an exaggeration. Obviously, no institution is going to go out and advertise this problem, but at no time were those found guilty put in situations where they could interact with children, but you and laserpants miss the point. This problem is not intrinsic of the Catholic Church, it just happens to be one of the largest unified organizations, so it looks that way, but in smaller divided intstitutions that deal with children, the problem is culture wide, and the media puts our kids in danger by not identifying the problem for what it really is: a societal problem. The Oprah school is another example, the drive-by will focus on it because it's Oprah, but no Catholic priests worked there. You also 'conveniently' ignore the fact that percentage of child abuse cases was much higher in instituions outside the Catholic Church, so the problem is hardly something intrinsic to Catholicism. In fact, the most number of cases are found in the public schools, which of course, the liberal drive-by media would never attack with the vicsiousness it does toward the Catholic Church, an institution the liberal media despises. At the same time, the media also ignores another great danger to our children: abortion. Since Roe v Wade, violence and abuse toward children rose dramatically. Who stands up for the rights of these children in the womb? The Catholic Church.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Humility usually leads to truth

    by AntoniusBloc

    Tolkien considered himself a Hobbit, and part of it was is humility, unlike the arrogant Pullman. PJ ate some humble pie with King Kong, New Line with Golden Compass, and suddenly they realize that a humble little hobbit must come in and save the day...and Pullman says Tolkien didn't understand real life? Our democratic republic is based on the idea that the humble common man has a certain wisdom over the arrogant and the extreme degenerate.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 10:32 a.m. CST

    ANTONIUSBLOC - THANK YOU, YOU JUST DESCRIBED ME

    by BringingSexyBack

    I am humbled that you noticed my wisdom.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 10:36 a.m. CST

    amalgamation ....

    by 300 monkeys

    is perfectly acceptable, "noun, the end result of this process, or AMALGAM" (Merriam-Webster online). Why people want to police the use of words they don't understand is beyond me.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 10:40 a.m. CST

    AntoniusBloc You're just making this stuff up ..

    by 300 monkeys

    There are well-documented cases of both Law in Boston and Mahony in Los Angeles transferring known abusers into new situations where they had full access to children, without warning to the new parish, never mind to the people of that parish. There was a systemic, institutionalized cover-up, and to claim otherwise speaks only to your sad state of denial.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 11:14 a.m. CST

    KONG

    by zooch

    I can't understand the hate for King Kong. The beginning needed some serious editing, but once they got to the island the rest of it was great!

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 11:15 a.m. CST

    AntoniusBloc there are several reasons why the...

    by rbatty024

    pedophile priests were given more attention. <p> First, there's an element of hypocrisy. The church is supposedly a place of morality where parents should feel safe to entrust their children to. This sense of hypocrisy lent more attention to the situation. Besides, the instances within the Catholic Church were about 4,392 priests, equaling about 4%. This is about equal to other institutions, not less than other institutions. <p> As 300 monkeys points out, there was a cover up. Cardinal Law moved at least two pedophile priests around to prevent their activities from being discovered: Paul Shanley and John Geoghan. Similar actions were taken throughout the Catholic Church. However, it goes even higher than that. Cardinal Ratzinger, now Pope, sent out a letter to all Catholic Bishops stating that all reports of child abuse were pontifical secrets and were not to be disclosed to the authorities. All of this and I haven't even mentioned the billion dollar settlements. <p> Here are a few sites to back up my claims:<p> http://tinyurl.com/yoqrfg <p> http://tinyurl.com/26zoha <p> If you still don't think there was a cover up, and blame it on the "liberal media," then there's no hope for you. You just won't listen to facts. Have a happy holiday.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 11:21 a.m. CST

    The Hobbits are cooking the books and here's why:

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    ...err...lost my point.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 11:27 a.m. CST

    because it tastes good with taters!

    by just pillow talk

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Matthew McConaughey as Bilbo Baggins

    by kirttrik

    Building the dream cast one member at a time.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Bringing Sexy Back

    by kevinwillis.net

    I read 'em all. Number 7 is still the only funny one. But it makes up for the others.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 11:54 a.m. CST

    AntoniusBloc

    by kevinwillis.net

    The church covers up with priests do it; the media covers up when gay couples do it. It all depends on the vested interests of the folks involved. Not to mention, take a look at the infilitration of the Catholic church by irreligious and heretical folks, and you might see a broader view of the "pedophile" priest issue.<br><br>Or maybe not.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Taters? What is taters?

    by kevinwillis.net

    Stupid fat hobbit.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, noon CST

    Madeline Murray O'Hare

    by ArcadianDS

    To the guy who refrenced being a 20 year friend to the son of a notoriously murdered woman's rights activist, you're speaking of Madelin Murray O'Hare, and sorry bro but this friend of yours? He's the one who did it.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Whoa, morG!

    by greenleaf

    Long time no see. What are you doing in these parts? Yes that's right, I am here. Because you know, I *am* locked out of Tailender's Paradise, I mean... Club Angband, so where am I supposed to go when this kind of news pops up? Naaah... Truth be told, I don't really care about PJ or Kiki the monkey possibly directing a 2-part HOBBIT. It's their money and they can make as much of it as they want, stretching out a 200-page children's book into a 2-part overblown farce. When the time comes my good friend BITTORRENT will alleviate any curiosity I might have in finding out what kind of a turd these jokers have laid on the cinematic pigsty for their hordes of fans to gobble up. Do I sound bitter? Because I'm not. Just having good ol'fashioned FUN!! Hey, tell you what I wanna see. Why not cast some baby-faced Heath Ledger type as Beorn, to "update" the story? Of course you need to let Philippa Boyens write the screenplay, coz if it ain't broken... (That is, if she can find the time. I hear she's very busy scripting those OBAMA GIRL videos.) And let Orlando Bloom make a cameo as Thranduil. He only has a few lines to utter anyway, and if he could pull off "A diversion!" in ROTK, I'm sure he can play the stern Elf king, Legolas's Sire. Well that's it! I won't give you any more great ideas like this for nothing until I gets my free limited edition Denethor suicide springboard from Sideshow WETA! Hear that Boyens? So get to it! Oh, and girls... Don't forget to vote Obama! :-D ~The Verdant Trickster

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Who is the Hobbit?

    by thedoctor28

    Was there a guy up near the top who didn't know who the hobbit is? Man this guy must be living under a rock if he never even heard of LOTR!! Can't wait to see the adventures of that little bastard :-))

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 12:18 p.m. CST

    What Tolkien Intended for The Hobbit...

    by Dan Halen

    The Hobbit is very much a children's story but Tolkien did go back, after he wrote LOTR, and attempt to rewrite The Hobbit so it would be a better fit for LOTR's darker, more mature tune. He never completed the task, however, I think some editions of the Hobbit did include re-written parts. So, even Tolkien himself wanted to bring it up to speed.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Give the people what they want - The Silmarillion!

    by Dan Halen

    Anyone in here ever read it? I've tried and failed four times...

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Good news or Bad news?

    by Halloween68

    I have mixed feelings about this. I love Peter Jackson as a director. He obviously has a lot of fun with his projects. No one comes close to films like BRAINDEAD or MEET THE FEEBLES or BAD TASTE or HEAVENLY CREATURES; four of my all time favorites. Recently though, Jackson has been all about the spectacle in his filmmaking. I think it started with his love for cg in THE FRIGHTENERS. He seems to be more concerned with how many orcs he can fit into a battle scene than he is with crafting good dialog and shaping story lines. It bothered me in rings that he neglected the little things. And to me THE HOBBIT is all about little things. This story should be more Hildebrandt and less Alan Lee. It needs more heart and less epic battles with surfing elves and stage diving stewarts. I want to see more fireside story telling with real magic and faery creatures, something Jackson said he outwardly opposed in RINGS. THE HOBBIT needs to be different than the massive, world affecting, historical parallelism of its epic predecessor. THE HOBBIT is about discovery and adventure. It's about friendship and finding oneself in life. There is nothing quite so dreadful and ominous as the war of the ring and the satan figure that is Sauron. (Though the necromancer will no doubt make an appearance.) The hobbits themselves need to be pleasant and plump as they are in the books. That's what makes them so unlikely to do the things that they supposedly do later on. The trolls need to be more human and more Narnia-esque; less roaring, King Kong looks; these things have to dress, carry pouches and carry on conversations with one another (conversations that Bilbo, the dwarves and Gandalf understand. Glamdring and Orcrist will have to glow same as Sting. There are quite a few things they'll have to "re-imagine" when taking on what was already established in RINGS. For instance, they'll have to get rid of that whole blurry, windy, deafening "Ring Vision" effect they have every time someone puts on the ring. Bilbo wears the ring quite often in the book, and he has to function as well as anyone when sneaking and following people in secret. I can't imagine people would want to put up with something so annoying through half the story. Also, PJ will have to get rid of the whole drug addiction angle after prolonged exposure to the ring. The only thing the ring does in THE HOBBIT is make one invisible. The Wargs are going to have to be more wolf-like like they are in the book. They howl, sing, and their fur catches fire during the '13 birds in a tree' sequence. The elves of Rivendell are more childlike. They sing, dance and are mischievous. They are not the smug royalty types that they are portrayed as in RINGS. THE HOBBIT is much more Tom Bombadil and Glorfyndal. Jackson won't be able skip over the things he deems silly or childlike (afterall, it is a childrens book), nor will he be able to introduce love interests and bandy about cheeky contemporary dialog such as the "nobody tosses a dwarf" moment. At least, I certainly hope he doesn't break out the random fart joke and/or hastily casts anybody from Nickalodian just to be topical. Look I really hope Peter Jackson can pull it off. But to do it, he'll have to take a different approach with what he's used to. I'm just not sure he'll want to step outside of his established RINGS world. In the Middle Earth of THE HOBBIT, there are no similarities to our own Earth nor our own cultures. The whole thing is strictly fantasy. I guess a good place to start would be to realize this difference and begin by bringing on a director like Ridley Scott who created a similar world with similar characters in LEGEND. I love the two film idea Jackson insisted on. The biggest piece of advice I would give would be to stick close to the dialog of the book. The dialog in THE HOBBIT is very charming. It's part of what makes the book so great and easy to read. None of it is overly eloquent or poetic like what's in RINGS. THE HOBBIT is written for a child's audience. It's a bed time story, Tolkien read his kids at night. So the source material is very well written, and the language flows well. There's nothing that can come across as awkward as awkward or too period-centric like in the other. Oh. And one more thing. This is not a family reunion. No one from RINGS should appear in THE HOBBIT. Except Gandalf, Elrond (though I wish they could recast there; I still particularly liked the idea of David Bowie as Elrond), and the dwarf at the council (?), Dwalin (?). So this means no one should expect to see Aragorn, Arwen, Legolas, Galadrial, Faramir, Theoden, etc. Those characters aren't in this story. Also, he'll obviously have to recast Bilbo. Mr. Baggins here is supposed to be as young if not younger than Frodo was when he started his adventure. Ian Holm unfortunately cannot swing from vines nor ride barrels anymore. It's going to be a tall order for whoever's going to do it. I just hope Peter Jackson can bring himself to let this story be its own story like it's meant to be. Hopefully New Line will encourage this.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Shame on you Stan Gable!

    by Skyway Moaters

    You naughty Troll! Ok, I aknowledged you, but that's all you get...

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 12:44 p.m. CST

    The Rankin Bass HOBBIT Cartoon PWNS!

    by LaserPants

    It is the ne plus ultra of Tolkien related products and services. And somehow they managed to tell the whole Hobbit story in just a tad over an hour. Go figure! So this new fangled Hobbit needs two movies because... why? Because it will make an obscene amount of money. Its called a money grab, people. Sort of how the Star Wars prequels consisted of two completely pointless movies and one really good one (ROTS), a 2 part Hobbit culled from Tolkien's margin notes and detritus is dodgy at best. I think its a shame that Jackson has turned into such a shill after the brilliance of his LOTR films. Oh well. Everyone gets corrupted in the end I suppose.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 12:48 p.m. CST

    bring on

    by DOCTORDETRO1T

    the dark crystal prequel. whats up with that?

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 12:58 p.m. CST

    The Dark Crystal Prequel Trilogy

    by LaserPants

    I didn't quite get it the first time around. Perhaps three more movies will really explore the themes a little more. Cause god knows what the world really needs right now is another 12 hour long fantasy movie for children. We only have like several hundred of them now and thats just not nearly enough. We also need an extended edition of KING KONG. 4 hours is just way too short to tell the tale of a giant monkey and his shenanigans. KING KONG should be, at the bare minimum, a 3, 598 hour long epic. Anything less is just offensive.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 1 p.m. CST

    halloween68

    by Lt. Kaffee

    perfect statement! you've eloquently summed up every thought and fear i've had since hearing that the hobbit might make it to the screen.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Hurray midget porn.... But really...

    by wowsucks

    50/50 call on this. I'm still not a huge Jackson fan and never found LOTR to live up to it's hype. It didn't suck by any means but Jackson just seems to go really deep into somethings and draws them out longer then need be. While other elements would have been better, if that makes any sense.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 1:07 p.m. CST

    I'm kinda of worried about the idea of a sequel.

    by kirttrik

    That, I, feel is getting off track. And it could franchise Rings opening the door to more and more films built off the numerous notes in the Appendixes.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 1:11 p.m. CST

    I would prefer them to just do The Hobbit

    by kirttrik

    If they start writting their own stories based off the notes then it could begin falling into dark territory.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Pullman PWNS Tolkien

    by LaserPants

    HIS DARK MATERIALS is a much more sophisticated, interesting, intelligent and exciting book to read. Its also deeply subversive and important; an excellent antidote to the Christian pornography/propaganda of something like Narnia. BUT, its also a book that is way to brainy to make it with the children's fantasy movie set. LOTR is a much easier sell because its a very simple good vs. evil tale. HIS DARK MATERIALS is really more of a book for adults that uses children's fantasy symbols to tell a compelling story of secular humanist rationality battling psycho fascist fundamentalist aholes. The makers of THE GOLDEN COMPASS were just out of their depth. Pullman is a master, the filmmakers, sadly, were not.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 1:15 p.m. CST

    ah pants

    by occula

    you reminding me why you're funny = nice way to start the day!

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 1:18 p.m. CST

    i dunno, i have a bad feeling about this

    by occula

    it's unformed yet, but...i myself COULD see something twee like orlando bloom showing up in a 'sly' cameo that new line thinks is a good idea to put butts in seats. i finally saw POTC3 and the nadir of that movie - which had already scraped the bottom of the barrel - was when keith richards STARTED PLAYING THE FRAKKING GUITAR BECAUSE HE'S KEITH RICHARDS. don't think for one second the suits at NL wouldn't think, 'hey, we can get that elf-guy in and have him shoot a bunch of arrows at once because people really liked that in that first movie!' guuugh.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 1:25 p.m. CST

    LITTLE MUNCHKIN MEN

    by Abominable Snowcone

    From the land of Meh-Meh!

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 1:34 p.m. CST

    "Pullman PWNS Tolkien"

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    LaserPants - Are you having a laugh?<P>Is he having a laugh?!

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 1:44 p.m. CST

    David Roland Waters Killed O'Hair

    by kevinwillis.net

    And it was all about money.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Some Advice for Mr. Jackson

    by YakMalla

    What you did last time won't work again. Instead of a bunch of action, what you need is a Middle Earth Council to have earnest discussions about, oh, say, taxation of trade routes.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 1:45 p.m. CST

    I Am Having A Laugh, But...

    by LaserPants

    I do love the Pullman trilogy a whole helluva lot more than Tolkien. I mean, yeah, of course, LOTR is great, but His Dark Materials, is AMAZING. Imho. Of course, its pretty obvious that LOTR has been more influential, but I don't care about influence, I care about reading cool, challenging, smart, exciting stories. LOTR is much more of a kids book than HIS DARK MATERIALS which is really much more of a fantasy story for adults.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Pullman Isn't Fit to Lick Tolkien's Boots

    by kevinwillis.net

    And certainly not to bask in his glory. Pullman is one little man with a little (and hardly novel, at this point) story that is fine for what it is, but pales in comparison to the most random thought J.R.R. Tolkien ever dash out on a cocktail napkin. That is all.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 1:49 p.m. CST

    So...

    by Ariock

    Good News.Ian Holm is perfect for Bilbo. But...Ever since Saruman's death scene in the extended ROTK i've been a bit worried about what PJ might do to the Hobbit. How soon before we find out that one of the dwarves will be female?

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Jackson is not directing the hobbit films

    by TerryMalloy

    http://tinyurl.com/yuth2u Sorry guys. Could be either Raimi, del Toro, or Cuaron. Or someone else.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Ariock

    by YakMalla

    It stands to reason that at least one dwarf is female.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Self-Indulgent and Bloated

    by YakMalla

    LOTR movies were good, but didn't you get the sense that Jackson was a little too fond of reading his own press clippings? Don't you think ROTK would have been better if it were about 30 minutes shorter? Three hours is MORE than enough time for the Hobbit, bloat included. And the sequel...shudder...I don't think these films will be as well-received as LOTR if they don't make them tighter.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 2:12 p.m. CST

    YakMalia

    by Dan Halen

    well done... i chuckled at your post.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 2:13 p.m. CST

    And for the last f@#$ing time...

    by Skyway Moaters

    LOTR is NOT a trilogy!

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 2:13 p.m. CST

    I Like the Special Editions Even Better

    by kevinwillis.net

    And they are even longer. But I'm a LOTR whore. I admit it. I love me some LOTR, and love the extended movies, and I'm looking forward to 6 hours of Hobbit goodness, if it's got Jackson's impramatur and Fran Walsh is polishing the script. And then I'm looking forward to the extended cut editions on DVD.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 2:15 p.m. CST

    LOTR Was a Trilogy

    by kevinwillis.net

    Of movies. Three separate movies, meant to be three separate movies, unlike the book which was released in 3 separate volumes originally, but was intended by Tolkien to be a trilogy.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Coming From An Apolgist For Catholic Child Rape, Kevin

    by LaserPants

    Your opinion means more or less next to nothing. Of course, you also believe that there is a magical man who lives in the sky and knows when you've been naughty or nice and will punish you with eternal life in a lake of fire because he loves you, so, um, yeah. Put that in yr Hobbit hole and smoke it. Or have sex with it -- like a priest would a little boy for Jeebus.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 2:19 p.m. CST

    BTW, Kevin, Have You Actually Read The Pullman Books?

    by LaserPants

    Let me guess - no? Church Witchdoctors tell you not to, right?

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Count me in as one of the people who liked the longer...

    by rbatty024

    editions of LOTR even better. It's such a rich fantasy world that it didn't bother me one bit to stay in it a little longer. I happen to like longer movies so long as they can justify it. I saw Reds a while back for the first time and was amazed. They don't make epics like that anymore. <p> However, King Kong needed a shorter climax. How many shots of planes flying by a giant ape do we need? Same with the Pirates sequels. Notice how they had to start focusing on ancillary characters in Pirates 2 and 3 because they didn't have enough story for the main characters. It was a real shame.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 2:53 p.m. CST

    to be honest

    by aestheticity

    i started considering the lotr films cheesy tripe a few years ago, once the fug and steam of those nostalgic christmasses and the hype machine had cleared. dont get me wrong, if there have to be more, then only pj and co should run the party. i just think this time around ill enjoy the inevitable talkback drama more than the film. i suspect we, and aicn, have all aged a little too much since then though. that latest cumpston review kinda suggested the game was up.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Just hope that Jackson doesn't insert his

    by Han Cholo

    sensibilities into the story this time around. The stuff they wrote for the films that wasn't Tolkien's really stood out like a sore thumb: 1)The mother that sends her kids from Rohan - stupid and not Tolkien's style at all 2) Aragorn falling off the cliff and that awful Hollywood entrance he made when he appears at Helm's Deep to Theoden - lame. (3) The aforementioned intro to Arwen scene with her and Frodo - Fucked up that scene royally - ultra-stupid. <p> Faramir's arc was forgivable and actually fleshed out his character more and gave him character. Haldir and the elves showing up at Helm's Deep was actually pretty good as well so I'll give Jackson a pass at those. <p> But I will say that he better not make Bombur the annoying, comic relief character, it's just too obvious and would just be lazy writing on his and Walsh's part.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Jackson is not a great film director...

    by hypnotron

    LOTR worked well as individual movies, FOTR was a great movie, TTT was a good movie and ROTK was a bad movie...as a trilogy I think Jackson messed it up, even if it did make a mountain of cash. The movies just diminished in quality with each release and became more and more self indulgent. That being said, would be good for him to pass directing reins onto someone else and work as a producer. I think the Hobbit would be pretty stale if Jackson directed it.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Well i'll be gobsmacked! The Verdant Trickster himself!

    by Skyway Moaters

    How's goin' you magnificent sourpuss? What do you mean "locked out of Club Angband"? Why? Bean? Anyway, I've said it before and I'll say it a again: It's nice having a an intelligent, articulate, and most of all THOUGHFUL naysayer in the fray. The average naysayer/troller contributions to these boards are truly pathetic anymore; worse than ever...

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 3:19 p.m. CST

    LaserPants . . .

    by kevinwillis.net

    You should patch that hole in the back of your head, that little glob of tripe you pretend to think with keeps falling out.<br><br>I've read one-and-a-half of the Pullman books. Then I realized I had something more important to do, as my toenails needed clipping.<br><br>Yawn. Boring. Predictable. Tedious. Dust? Sheesh.<br><Br>Hey, but to each their own.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 3:19 p.m. CST

    One thing I didn't get about ROTK....

    by Han Cholo

    How come Aragorn didn't just tell Theoden and the armies before leaving, "I'm gonna go recruit the Army of the Dead, they owe my father a favor and they'll follow me until I say their debt is paid. This way you won't lose so many men. And hey, while you're at it, send riders to inform Denethor as well so they can hold the city's defenses until we arrive. Yeah my army is the equivalent of scrubbing bubbles, they'll run over the Sauron's army and we won't lose a single man cuz hey, you can't kill that which has no life, right?"

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 3:45 p.m. CST

    In Other Words, Kevin, You Didn't Get It

    by LaserPants

    Boring and predictable? Oh, you mean like a Cambellian coming-of-age style adventure in which a callow untested youth has his heroes journey and saves the world with love power by sacrificing himself for the greater good? Um, yeeeeah. Glass houses, much? <br><br> Seriously, its okay to admit you didn't get His Dark Materials. I don't think I would have gotten it when I was 10 years old either.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 3:50 p.m. CST

    *BZZZRT*! Thanks for playing Kevinwillis but...

    by Skyway Moaters

    … I'm afraid you loose the living room suite AND the hot tub! Better luck next time. "LOTR is often erroneously called a trilogy, when it is in fact a single novel, consisting of six books plus appendices, sometimes published in three volumes. An actual “trilogy” is three RELATED novels, or plays, or whatever, that are complete [stories] unto themselves, which LOTR clearly is not. You are talking out your ass when you say Tolkien intended it to be trilogy because he never said anything of the sort, nor has his estate executor Christopher Tolkien. Kindly take the time to refer to the "Note on the text" that appears before the forward of every single volume edition released by Houghton Mifflin (USA publisher) since 1990 before you reply, if you plan on being stupid enough to argue about this. *** Next troll please.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Tolkien Didn't Intend It To Be a Trilogy

    by kevinwillis.net

    I must've misspoke. Tolkien intended to the book to be a single novel, though it was released originally in 3 separate volumes. My bad.<br><br>But the movies are a trilogy of movies, and meet the definition of a film trilogy in every respect.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 4:02 p.m. CST

    LaserPants: Could Be

    by kevinwillis.net

    Of course, "you don't get it" is often a cop out for things that are, in fact, tedious and boring and predictable. Which isn't necessarily bad, if you do something interesting in that context, which Pullman might have, and was just making me sit through all the boring and tedious crap for the big pay off that I wasn't patient enough to slog through all the garbage to get to. But, look, I'm glad you like it. Awesome. Takes all kinds.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 4:14 p.m. CST

    pssss... I got a secret..

    by carrotop361

    anus

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 4:15 p.m. CST

    i hope it has a lottta slomo shotzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    by Pipple

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz because that's all Lotr was

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Sorry, but you're still wrong Kevin...

    by Skyway Moaters

    For the films to form a trilogy, each one would have to have been a complete story that resolved without need of the other two to tell it's individual story. You might say that the films form a sort of a "triptych" I suppose, but they do not compose a "trilogy". Look it up. The first 3 "Die Hard" films make up an actual trilogy for example.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Indeed, Kevin

    by LaserPants

    Calling something "tedious and boring" is also a cop out though isn't it? 2001, arguably the greatest sci-fi film ever made, was called tedious and boring as well. Usually by people who didn't understand what Kubrick was tryig to do. Its cool though, I like children's adventure stories about good vs evil too. I did love LOTR and Star Wars, for instance. But, on an intellectual level, I found His Dark Materials much more satisfying, interesting and exciting. Then again, I read it from the standpoint of adulthood. As a child I may have been put off by the more grandiose notions of space and time, multiple realities, environmental science, psychic and spiritual evolution sans dogma, and really neato battles between witches, angels, bears, and humans on both the physical and astral planes, finally ending with the liberation of the land of the dead -- the souls being freed from a fearful god's iron grip. But, eh, thats too boring and predictable for you. Too bad. Back to your Hobbit hole. Wheee!

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 4:34 p.m. CST

    All Assholery Aside

    by LaserPants

    I would really like to see a PJ helmed Hobbit movie too. ONE movie. Just one. You could easily make a really good 2 hour 30 minute movie of the Hobbit that would stand the test of time and live up to how cool the LOTR trilogy was without raping its corpse trying desperately to stretch the franchise out. If you truly loved and respected Tolkien's work, you would realize this and not want his books raped for profit.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Han Cholo: How do you know he didn't?

    by Dreamfasting

    Although we don't hear the actual planning, I think Theoden's scenes/lines in the movie version show that he knew what Aragorn was up to, but that the best that could be hoped was that Aragorn would preventing the Corsairs from uniting with the besieging forces and making things worse. In the books, Aragorn is taking a company of rangers through the paths of the dead as the only way to reach the downriver reaches of Gondor in time to reinforce lands under attack by the Corsairs and my read of the story is that the dead are recruited almost by accident in an attempt to avoid having to fight them; they are are already long gone by the time the captured ships full of relief forces reach Minis Tirith.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Golden Compass

    by YakMalla

    I had been meaning to read TGC ever since I got an email from my well-intentioned but dumb-as-bag-a-hammers quasi-relative urging me to avoid it b/c it's satanic. Thought it didn't quite deliver on many fronts - it took me about 75 pages to care what happened (most Potter books had me at page 1), and it seemed to argue against cruelty and arrogance in religious garb as opposed to arguing against religion itself, a rather unrisky stance - but I'm only judging the first third of the work, so I probably should withhold judgment until I read the other two, which I'm interested in it enough to do. On the plus side, them fightin' armor bears sure was good readin'. Question to those who have read all three: Does this anti-religion argument get more developed in the next two books?

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 4:57 p.m. CST

    according to the NY Times...

    by occula

    it took $40 million for PJ to say yay. sorry if this info was posted earlier, but i have now developed cervical bone spurs hunched over the computer scrolling through this TB and can't be bothered to double-check.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 4:58 p.m. CST

    yak

    by occula

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 4:58 p.m. CST

    kevinwillis.net

    by 300 monkeys

    You're not seriously pushing Bill "I am The Catholic League" Donohue's conspiracy theory are you? Because it makes no sense that an institution that demands lifelong celibacy would attract a certain number of sexually immature and sexually confused men(read: dangerous men!); of course it makes more sense that the church was instead "infiltrated" by an organized "conspiracy" of homosexuals. Obviously then, you must count Law and current Los Angeles bishop Mahony among the most active conspirators. But the church has rewarded with Law with fat Vatican job, and Mahony is still in his seat. What does that do to your conspiracy theory? Hate-mongering idiot.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 5 p.m. CST

    oopie

    by occula

    so THAT'S what happens when you prematurely ejaculate! i feel like such a dude. i meant to say: yak, yes it does, you should read 'em. ignore what people say and just read 'em. they're short and go quickly and then you'll be informed enough to decide whether you truly like what pullman did or you think it blows. personally, i like very much, and would rank these books as modern children's fantasy classics no doubt, jeebus stuff aside.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Yes, Yak, Read Them, Read Them All!

    by LaserPants

    It really all comes together in an unbelieveably beautiful, spooky, and asskickingly cool and subversive way in book 3. It really is absolutely brilliant. I literally could not put book 3 down. Very, very cool and smart. Please read the whole thing. There are all sorts of new characters and ideas brought up in book 2 and book 3 that build upon and expand the themes established in book 1 to heights of brilliance rarely seen in fantasy and/or sci-fi writing. Its a work of genius. Read it!

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Mutant Leader

    by messi

    Some critics loved it because they know fuck all about Superman. The public, the non superman comic book fans and the film geeks all hated the movie.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Chistopher Lee - Write & Shoot Scenes NOW!

    by jasher78

    I cannot express my unwaivering enthusiasm for this. But please o please - shoot all Wizards Circle Sauruman scenes NOW! Just write some good ole Tolkienesque stuff and shoot him on greenscreen for insert use later. If you get a chance to shoot him again later with other actors, great! But please please please! I must have me some more Sauruman!!

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 6:19 p.m. CST

    SoylentMean

    by YakMalla

    "I love LOTR." "Me, too." "And me!" "I also love Peter Jackson." "I concur." "I most heartily agree!" Is THIS your idea of an interesting talkback? Every good story needs a villain, and every good talkback needs someone who despises the subject. See the Neill Cumpston "Cloverfield" review talkback for a truly epic example of what I'm talking about.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 7:31 p.m. CST

    I Agree SoylentMean!

    by LaserPants

    I love the original Hobbit animation. Cheesy songs and all. Only it wasn't Bakshi who did it. Bakshi did the also cool LOTR animated movie with all the rotoscoping.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Skyway Moaters: If You Say So

    by kevinwillis.net

    But New Line refers to the three films as a trilogy, Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh have referred to them as a trilogy, the marketing has referred to them as a trilogy, they are referred to as a trilogy on the commentary on the disks. And the movies do indeed start and stop on certain story beats, but they are complete stories with cliff-hanging elements . . . But, okee-dokee. They aren't a trilogy. I wonder why Amazon.com isn't selling the LOTR Triptych. ;)

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 7:46 p.m. CST

    LaserPants: Fine, I'll Finish the Books

    by kevinwillis.net

    They better rock my damn world, that's all I'm saying.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 7:48 p.m. CST

    YEEEEAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

    by MRX67

    Ok, let me catch my breath....

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 7:59 p.m. CST

    From Peace...

    by MRX67

    Comes good things.....finally another hobbit movie! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!!

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Thats The Spirit Kevin!

    by LaserPants

    I dunno if they'll rock your world as much as they did mine, but I'd be surprised if you didn't at the very least think it was pretty effing cool and smart and spooky and beautiful. If the anti-Church stuff offends you, though, you may have a rather negative opinion of it. Still, once it gets down to the big, big ultimate apocalyptic showdown on multiple planes of existance? From the plane of the dead to the gates of a twisted heaven? You'd be trying hard to not love it at that point. Book 3 is hands down the coolest of the bunch. Its the one that knocked me on my butt and made me a believer. I dug the first two as well, but the third -- The Amber Spyglass -- is by far the best.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:04 p.m. CST

    "We got to go there - but not back again.

    by ScreamingPenis

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:06 p.m. CST

    ^

    by ScreamingPenis

    it was still unforgivable for Peter Jackson to use Tolkein and the fans for leverage in this.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:11 p.m. CST

    You are correct Kevin...

    by Skyway Moaters

    ... all of the sources you site call it a trilogy, and they're all wrong in doing so. WTF did you think I meant when I said "LOTR is often ERRONEOUSLY called a trilogy..."?

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:11 p.m. CST

    You are correct Kevin...

    by Skyway Moaters

    ... all of the sources you site call it a trilogy, and they're all wrong in doing so. WTF did you think I meant when I said "LOTR is often ERRONEOUSLY called a trilogy..."?

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:12 p.m. CST

    All Right, LaserPants, You Make a Good Cheerleader

    by kevinwillis.net

    And I've found the circumstances I'm in sometimes unfairly color my book-reading experiences (I didn't read LOTR until 2003, after having started reading them in 1984, yet I did keep them around for twenty years and finally got around to reading them), so I will give 'em another shot in the very near future. And you do make it sound like it gets better.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Skyway Moaters: Then You Should Have Said

    by kevinwillis.net

    Everyone pretty much everywhere incorrectly refers to the LOTR movies as a trilogy, and I'm the only one in the world who correctly refers to them as three parts of an integrated piece, which might awkwardly be referred to as a triptych.<br><br> Seriously, I'm not that worried about it. LOTR is a great trilogy.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Hey Doc P...

    by morGoth

    …it’s not like I have photo documentary evidence or anything…just an observation and the level of PJ hatred was/is evident in both. I must admit my Tolkien purist heart agrees with some of his less caustic points. They are few and far between though. You’re right about the LoTR TB’s but I see some good stuff here already too. Oh joy and bliss!...maybe Mercier, the King of Talkback’s will return. Hopefully elf-killer has passed on…

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Moaters!

    by morGoth

    Bother...now I'll have to go back and read more. Scarlett Johanson for Thranduill's mistress!

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:25 p.m. CST

    LaserPants: Is His Dark Materials a Trilogy?

    by kevinwillis.net

    Or is it more of a triptych? Because I don't want to get that wrong.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:26 p.m. CST

    I'm not the only one Kevin...

    by Skyway Moaters

    Houghton Mifflin who publish the book in the US, the Tolkien estate, and arguably the foremost Tolkien scholar on the planet - Dr. Tom Shippey, are the source(s) of my assertion that LOTR is not a trilogy. Shall we now compare the credibility of our sources or what?

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Skyway Moater: I already said, if you say so

    by kevinwillis.net

    Anyhow, The Lord of the Rings is really my favorite trilogy ever. That's all I'm saying. Is that of all the trilogies anyone ever intended to be a trilogy from the very beginning, it is the best of those trilogies. I really don't count the Die Hard movies, as I consider them more of a' farflanugelooshi'.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:36 p.m. CST

    It is TOO a trilogy!

    by morGoth

    And any man-jack who says otherwise should be boiled in his own pudding. Tolkien wrote that once on a foggy windowpane at the Bird and Baby.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Halloween68

    by Epleterte

    I only read what you wrote since you wrote so goddam long, BUT ARE YOU FUCKING DAFT? stupid shitkicker you! The ring affects frodo and whoever in Lotr because Sauron has gained power since the Hobbit and is pretty keen on getting his jewel back. that's why bilbo isn't affected by it that much in The Hobbit. and the Hildebrandt brothers paint like a pair of cunts. and last but not least, there is a fucking important thing that you and a shitload of others have missed - YES the book is written as a kids' story, and yes, that's how it came to be. But NO, it aint a fucking kids story, the shit in the hobbit are deadly serious. Tolkien himself have said this, for instance he regretted the way he wrote the elfs in the Hobbit, they're not the elfs you read of in silmarillion or LOTR.... People die, blood is spilled, greed, devestation and fuckedupness - you do NOT film this as a fucking Sorcerer's Stone Fuck Me Kids Story.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Moater: What Would you Call Back to the Future

    by kevinwillis.net

    . . . and the Matrix Movies? The original and the two-part sequel? They are usually referred to as trilogies, but in both case the second and third movies are whole units, rather than really being two parts. I for one, really like both the Matrix trilogy (if you would call them that) and the Back to the Future trilogy. That's why I really like the Lord of the Ring trilogy, and look forward to the Hobbit trilogy of two movies, which is less than is normally in a trilogy, but I feel that two movies should be able to be called a 'trilogy', too.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Rather Than Being Two Discrete, Self-Contained Stories

    by kevinwillis.net

    I should have said. They are (Matrix, BTTF sequels) two parts, but not two discrete, self-contained stories.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:40 p.m. CST

    Still got "that thing" for Scarlett huh morG?

    by Skyway Moaters

    You dirty 'ol Calumniator! Not that I can really blame you (hubba hubba!). How it be brudda? You knew the "T-Word" rant would resurface when this news broke of course? Crap, if Kevin and Laser britches keep on the way they're going (not to mention AntoniusBloc's sycophantic support of the Catholic Church) I may let Fister liberate TATOW from the maximum security vault by Elbereth!

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Mark Hamill for Smaug.

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    I just pimp Hamill for everything, it actually being a bad idea be damned.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Trilogy, Tryptych, Three Book Series, Etc.

    by LaserPants

    Its all of these things... and more! Haha! In all seriously though I think it is referred to as a trilogy. I always thought LOTR was as well, but then when the movies came out, I started to hear all the stuff about it really being one book and blah blah. But they were originally in three separate installments like the movies weren't they?

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Sauron Has Turned His Attention on The Ring

    by kevinwillis.net

    At one time believing it forever lost, like at the bottom of the ocean and therefore virtually unrecoverable, it becomes understood that the One Ring is not forever lost, just . . . misplaced. Thus, as Sauron turns his mind upon the ring, Frodo's experience of it is quite different from Bilbo's. <br><br>The Hobbit is not a kid's story. Just finished reading it today. Especially when Smaug attacks and the elves and dwarves and men start fighting (plus the ravens), but even the trolls might be considered a little harsh for the youngest of children. A tween story, at best.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Just goes to prove, Kevin...

    by Skyway Moaters

    That people are generally ignorant in their usage of the dreaded T-word. Have a look at the OED.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:47 p.m. CST

    LOTR was Published as Three Books

    by kevinwillis.net

    Largely against Tolkien's will, apparently as an issue of expense, and marketed similarly by pirate publishers in the states that just took his books and published them, as three separate novels, and tried to never pay him a dime (I think some lawsuits ended in some settlements). Tolkien always saw it as one book. My edition is a boxed set of the three LOTR books, and The Hobbit, released in 1981, I think. But even then, they are three separate books (which is fine, as a single book would be able to crush a s .mall dwarf, like Stephen King's 'The Stand').

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Moaters: Or Maybe People Generally Just Don't

    by kevinwillis.net

    Want to go through incredibly complicated convolutions to explain something simple. Or maybe they do. Anyway, I especially like it when they do a trilogy in six-parts, like Star Wars.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:55 p.m. CST

    What greeny! Locked out…I won’t hear of it!

    by morGoth

    I see you’ve only sharpened that knife my Woodland friend and your tongue still drips with that acid honey. I’m so happy to hear you fully appreciate Orly’s masterful delivery of, some would say, that crucial plot point when the silver lamp starts to flicker over his head as he first gleans the Masterful American Aragorn’s plan. I guarantee even Toby Keith had it figured out by then. See, I knew you loved RoTK and I bet you have a full collection of WETA knock-offs. I'm guessing all your e-mail correspondence closes with “Come and claim him!” <p> Good heavens man, don’t you know Hillary Clinton’s been cast as Bard’s twin sister? Obama Oschmama! <p> I must know…did you ever marry Ninja Galadriel?

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:57 p.m. CST

    kevinwillis...

    by morGoth

    ...you have entered The Trilogy Zone and may soon encounter The Acid Tongue of Westernesse.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Kevin: Whatever dude...

    by Skyway Moaters

    I've already addressed the 6 book 3 volume thing in an earlier post so I'll stop trying to confuse you with facts as you've obviously already made up your mind on the subject and will not be swayed by empirical evidence. So... Merry Christmas! But it still aint no mother humping trilogy!

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 9:03 p.m. CST

    MARTIN FREEMAN AS BILBO!!!!

    by Salchucks

    Ian Holm is great but he is supposed to be younger. Martin Freeman could pass for a young Holm and should have Freeman's goofiness. He is PERFECT for it.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 9:05 p.m. CST

    C'mon people...you really don't want two movies?

    by morGoth

    It's like getting the best looking girl at the party to take you home then finding out she has a twin sister.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 9:14 p.m. CST

    I agree the Hobbit isn't quite the lightheated kiddie book...

    by morGoth

    ...as many make it out to be. On top of what kevinwillis said, characters get killed. <p> Wonder if the Shire will be a carbon copy of LoTR...maybe the farmer in NZ will have to rent it back to PJ.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Hellooooo! Tailenders

    by Ingeld

    Well, well, there and back again. Skyway and Morgoth by Durin's Beard! How are you all doing? This is a wonderful Christmas present isn't it? Speaking of Christmas, I always thought the Dicken's Ghost of Christmas future was some kind of inspiration for the Ringwraiths--visually speaking that is. Anyway, glad to see you guys haven't gone to the Grey Havens yet. God bless us all. Bjarki56.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 9:15 p.m. CST

    I Want Two Movies

    by kevinwillis.net

    Both Three Hours Long and with expanded DVD releases. I can't help it. I do. And if wanting that is wrong, I don't want to be right!

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 9:18 p.m. CST

    morGoth: Indeed, Thorin Dies

    by kevinwillis.net

    And he's no small potatoes. And some miserable business with the spiders in the woods. Woulda scared the pants off me as a junior mint.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 9:35 p.m. CST

    Yeah, particularly talking spiders...

    by morGoth

    ...scary indeed and who doesn't quail at the sound of attercop, kids or nowt?

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Mae govannen Ingeld!

    by Skyway Moaters

    Or is it Bjarki? I have apparently forgotten that the two handles are synonymous(?) In any case, how the heck are YOU? Things are going quite swimmingly down here at "Howe Fents" thank you for enquiring. You ought to come Club Anband and say hi to the old gang: elanor, Miami, Mofo, Conan, and the rest, they all drop in from time to time. Heck, Vanyar's even been haunting the site now and then! I imagine the Tailenders will be coming out of the woodwork both there and here once production of the Hobbit get's cranked up. *** Happy Holidays to you and yours, and: Aa' menle nauva calen ar' ta hwesta e' ale'quenle!

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Hey bjarki!

    by morGoth

    You're right (of course)...and doesn't Marley translate as Khamul in the Common Tongue? <p> When I saw your posting handle I thought you might be the Wall Builder at first. <p> What do you think of the second movie concept?

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 9:56 p.m. CST

    WTF DID SWEDES JUST TAKE OVER THIS TALKBACK?

    by BringingSexyBack

    Are you like Vikings and shit?

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 9:57 p.m. CST

    DO YOU GUYS GET DISCOUNTS AT IKEA?

    by BringingSexyBack

    Send me a coupon code.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Dear Messi, you ignorant dripping Cunt...

    by poeticwarriorII

    I understand that, much like the average American, you enjoy sticking your own head up your ass and sniffing your own shit for hours on end while you fondle the scrotum of mediocrity while proclaiming how great it is because you're the only shit stain on the planet that "gets it" but please don't mistake the averageness that is Peter Jackson and stand up for him like you do because you end up looking like a shit eating testicle wart in the end. Fuck you very much for your interest you dumb fuck.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 10:11 p.m. CST

    re: Skyway and morGoth

    by Ingeld

    Skyway, I use Ingeld as a handle now. Sometime at the end of the second age, I got banned by Father Geek because he thought I got bit cheeky about one of his posts. I don't even recall the particulars. Ingeld works fine--it's a Beowulf reference. Don't even ask me about that lastest film. The good prof. would be spinning in his grave to see the hero of his beloved poem turned into an utterly flawed and tragic figure. Sorry I never got into the club Angband thing. It is a great idea though and I am glad to see it is still going. I have very fond memories of our conversations here on AICN. morGoth, in regard to the second movie concept, I had thought he was originally going to do the Hobbit in two parts. This might have been a good idea--two two hour movies--reasonable length for each. However, this idea of filling in the story between the Hobbit and LOTRs has me interested but a bit skeptical. I thought the weakest parts of the original three movies was when he or Fran developed the story beyond Tolkien's ideas--in particular the elves at Helms Deep and espicially Aragorn's near death. Anyway, I will be optimistic and hopeful. BTW morGoth I have to ask, in the past I have frequented some political blogs and on one of them I recall a particular poster who for some reason reminded me a bit of you. Do you by any chance hail from the great white north? Anyway, I wish the entire Club at Angband the best. I will linger a bit on this thread and look for you on others. Wes thu hal!

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 11:08 p.m. CST

    Excited by this but...

    by caerlas

    One thing saddens me, I remain skeptical that they will cast Ian Holm to reprise his role as Bilbo. They'll get someone younger.

  • Dec. 19, 2007, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Concerning Smaug...

    by caerlas

    The design for Smaug needs to be epic and original. I'm afraid they'll just make something that looks like a larger version of the Nasgul mounts. I hope they create something both ferocious and dark, like the Balrog.

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Best news evah (as someone already said)

    by elanor

    Remember I said way back when, that the only way this would ever be done is if MGM and New Line made a 50/50 deal? (course I never predicted PJ's lawsuit or New Line's harsh reaction but...) Anyway, I want to say a big THANK YOU to this Harry Sloan guy - he has just become my new favorite person in Hollywood. 8~) Ah, Moaters, back on the "T" word crusade again? Alas, looks like it will be an even tougher row to hoe than last time. Note to kevin: just because it comes in threes doesn't make it a trilogy. Just cuz something is commonly mis-used or mis-pronounced doesn't make it correct. Bush says "nook-u-lar" but he's still wrong. greenleaf? whoa! And Bjarki! So nice to see you! Could it really be that old times are here again? As for casting - I love morG's idea of James McAvoy as BB - of course they will think hard about using Ian Holm, but I think the length and difficulty of the shoot will prove they need a younger man. The rest of the actors could come back as their own characters. Someone mentioned a younger Viggo - oh, no. It HAS to be him! 8~) Mmmmmmm Viggo! Plus surely there are more horses in New Zealand for him to buy! I am skeptical, too, about how the "bridge" movie will be structured and filled, but I trust PJ. Yes, I do! One thing puzzles me, though. Variety's article had a headline that Sam Raimi will direct. Not sure if they have info or are just speculating. Does anyone know if PJ has a long-standing relationship with him? Anyway, whoever directs will have to live in New Zealand for a good long time. Is Raimi from there? Would he do that? I guess I figure PJ will ask Fran to direct - or one of the million other assistant directors he had on LOTR. Oh man, how much fun is it to talk about this again?

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 12:41 a.m. CST

    $40m?

    by King Sweyn Forkbeard

    No wonder Jackson sued.

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 1:46 a.m. CST

    Rbatty, like the media, your giving out misleading information

    by AntoniusBloc

    The percent of abuse that was PROVEN is much lower than the national percentage and the percentage totals of other institutions. The numbers you have are the same used by the media are misleading because they adopt a policy of favoring the accuser in cases of doubt, accepting hearsay, so the hypocrisy is the media's if it claims to care about the truth, and the fact that an accusation is just that. Also,since when is wikipedia a valid and reliable source, are you joking? Again, to even use the word 'cover up' is an exaggeration, much of the motivation was in the interest of all involved, including the victim and their families, and their right to privacy on the matter....right or wrong, there was no conspiracy to cover anything up...The absence of reporting in particular cases is not de facto evidence of malice. Many victims and their families did not want the matter reported to the police and would share what they knew about a given priest with the diocese only on the condition that they not be put through the trauma of a civil investigation and trial...again, the Church mishandled a bad situation but there was no organized Church -wide cover up led by Ratzinger. But even if your stats were correct, it still only serves to make my point: what occurred in the Church is a microcosm of a larger problem in society overall, and by not focusing on this, and only attacking the Church, the media is huring our society and endangering children. Hypocrisy? That's to put it lightly, for a priest to do such a thing is simply pure evil, but the point is, it is an action in defiance of what the Church teaches, and direct opposition of what it stands for; it goes against the OBJECTIVE MORALITY the Church stands for and teaches, so here's the problem I have with you and the media's determination to bury the Church on this issue: the problem you have with it is hypocrisy? An evil act against an innocont child, and that is your outcry? Can those in the media determined to bury the Church on this issue claim to believe evil exists? Will they call such abuse against children, EVIL? Objectively wrong? Do they, and do you believe in objective morality? the existence of real good and real evil? If not, what's the point of your outcry? Hypocrisy? Here's a newsflash, all Christians who understand their faith admit to being hypocrites, it's called being sinners, it's part of something called the Fall. The real evil is not to repent, and not acknowledge the evil act as truly being evil, as defined by God, which such abuse clearly is. It's sad this attack came about on this talback because another arrogant atheist wants to put Professor Tolkien down because he was a devout Catholic, and at the same time believe that the success of Lord the Rings had nothing to do with Tolkien's faith, revealing a complete misunderstanding of the depth of Tolkien's work. It has everything to do with his faith. The story is about his faith. It is a true myth. It's about the Fall of man and his hope in redemption, and the existence of objective good and evil. A lot of the studies and statistics you point out in attack and I in defense can be skewed, inaccurate, and used in various ways to manipulate one's point, but here's an obvious truth: the Church has always and continues to stand against evil in the world. It is the largest institution to stand against the evil of abortion and call it what it is. I wonder where those who take pleasure in attacking the Church based on the abuse scandal stand on this issue? they claim to care about children, but have no problem with violently ending an innocent child's life and somehow justify it with the word 'choice'. What about the'choice' of the baby? So instead of turning this into some statistical argument, why don't you just acknowledge the evil that exists, wherever it takes place, whether in the Church or the public school, whether inside or outside the womb? Acknowledge that and maybe your outcry will have some credibility. Finally, do you deny that the media and the liberal elite culture doesn't go out of its way to attack the Church at every opportunity and make it look bad? Yet, the Church stands against abortion, while the media cannot even acknowledge it as an evil. History is repeating itself. At one point, the Church was alone among the major institutions standing up against evil as illustrated in this little known quote by Albert Einstein:"Being a lover of freedom, when the Nazi revolution came in Germany, I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing that they had always boasted of their devotion to the cause of truth; but, no, the universities immediately were silenced. Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers whose flaming editorials in days gone by proclaimed their love for freedom; but the, life the universities, were silenced in a few short weeks. Only the Catholic Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler's campaign for suppressing the truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced to confess that what I once despised, I now praise unreservedly." Morality and Truth are in crisis, and attacking one of the major institutions that stand for it will not help. As Pope Benedict points out, "This attitude of resignation with regard to truth lies at the heart of the crisis of the West. If truth does not exist for man, then neither can he ultimately distinguish between good and evil."Again, the Church that recognizes the truth defined by our Creator.

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 2:07 a.m. CST

    poeticwarriorII eat shit fuckspoon

    by messi

    Peter Jackson is not average so don't try to tell me that like it's fact. Second i'm not an average American, i'm not even American at all you stupid dumb fuck. Whatever, this movie will own and makes it's cash without your typical Aicn cockless bitching. Fuck you.

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 4:16 a.m. CST

    Catholic Priests nonce kids

    by King Sweyn Forkbeard

    Islamic Mullahs turn them into suicide bombers. Baptist Evangelists are crooks and hypocrites on a massive scale. <P> That's religion folks. Deal with it.

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Jackson is gonna do it

    by messi

    apparently New Line know that for it to be a mega success instead of a super success they need Jackson. He's as synonymous with Tolkien as Lucas is with Star Wars, ok not the best analogy, but most mainstream people think empire and ROTJ were directed by Lucas.

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Regarding Trilogies

    by kevinwillis.net

    The Lord of the Rings is the best trilogy EVER!

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 8:37 a.m. CST

    Epleterte

    by Halloween68

    What are you two? The one coherent point you did make I'll respond to. I realize the affect of the ring gets stronger and Sauron gets stronger. That said, Sauron was in Mirkwood at the time of THE HOBBIT. He was already starting to regain some of his power. That's why the Witch King was so active at the time. Okay? Now to your point... So you are saying that "Ring Vision" doesn't apply at all at the time of THE HOBBIT, some fifty years earlier (which is really nothing when you think of how long Sauron has been around)? That's a laugher. If there was such a thing as "Ring Vision" it would certainly exist in one form or another in THE HOBBIT as well. And as I said before, Bilbo uses all of his senses in THE HOBBIT to the best of his ability. Even a minor form of "Ring Vision" would be incredibly distracting. Too much to say fight spiders in darkness of Mirkwood, or to keep afloat on barrels roaring down a river. In any event, my point was it shouldn't have been in RINGS, but now that it is in RINGS, however he's going to do it, he's going to dismiss it, he's going to have to for the sake of the story. I'm just curious as to how he's going to explain around it. And that goes the same with the drug addiction angle. Since Jackson truncated the RINGS story line (there should have been 20 years between the time Frodo gained the ring and when he leaves the Shire) the effect of the ring on Frodo happened almost over night. Bilbo travels with this thing and uses it constently. At no point does he begin to act jealous or deceitful when it comes to keeping the ring from his friends. He never at any point looks longingly at it. In THE HOBBIT, the ring is a meer magical item at Bilbo's disposal. It's not a central character (or player) like it is in RINGS. It's a good thing not a bad thing. If the ring is as strong and irresistable as it is at the beginning of FELLOWSHIP, it stands to reason, it would cause Bilbo to cast a few longing looks at it the mere 50 years earlier. The call of the ring's master isn't as strong in THE HOBBIT. That's a given, but the draw of the ring on its users never waivers. See Smeagol, and the murder of his best friend Deagol. Especially in the movie. In the book, Smeagol was already a bit of a wretch. In the movie, Smeagol immediately hears the call of the ring. In THE HOBBIT, Bilbo never hears this. At least not outwardly. And so that's my point. THE HOBBIT is an entirely different animal than RINGS. It needs to be treated as such. The film should have all different rules.

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Great...

    by Hugh G Rekshun

    So now I get to snore through a couple more 4-hour movies.

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 8:52 a.m. CST

    Kevinwillis.net

    by Halloween68

    THE HOBBIT is at root a children's story. Tolkien wrote it for his kids and he read it to them at night before bed. That's the origin. Now I can see the reason to defend it as not a kid's story, because, heck, I'm nearly 40 and I still read the book every few years or so. Still ranked up there as one of my favorites. And so I can see feeling the need to defend a favorite against somebody saying it's a kid's story. But I think you are missing my point there. When I say it's a children's story, I mean as stated above, that's where it started. I never meant to suggest that it's only for kids. It's not like I'm saying this is SEE SPOT RUN or something. It's a traditional fantasy adventure story in the same vein as the NARNIA chronicles, the OZ series, and Alice and her adventures in WONDERLAND. My point was to draw the line between that type of tale and something like RINGS which has a closer relation to BEOWULF and MORTE DE ARTHUR. There's obviously a much more serious tone in RINGS than in THE HOBBIT. I'm just hoping this carries over into the films. When I mentioned the Hildebrandts before, I was trying to point out the look and feel of those paintings as opposed to the almost bleak feeling you get from Lee's work. I think the earlier Rankin Bass film is closer to what I think of when I think THE HOBBIT than what comes to mind when I see it in the world of Jackson's RINGS films. (Minus the musical numbers of course)

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 10:07 a.m. CST

    thank god somebody brought up abortion

    by occula

    i was beginning to think i'd wandered into a renaissance faire attenders anonymous meeting.

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 10:07 a.m. CST

    oh, i'm mean.

    by occula

    sorry, i haven't had any coffee yet.

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Hildebrandts vs Lee: a middle way

    by pipergates

    i dont like either of their styles, Hildebrandt's is too cartoonish and stylized, while Lee is way to bleak, at least the Hildebrandts can do faces, Lee is only good at scenery. a middle way is called for.

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 10:09 a.m. CST

    and PS

    by occula

    isn't a triptych a format for artwork of tri-folded pieces of panel, usually for an altarpiece? yeah, i was an art history major. who's the renfaire dork now.

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 10:25 a.m. CST

    anyway Jackson got the look right, if too ghouly

    by pipergates

    He had a beautiful Middle Earth designed, but his slasher sensibilities betrayed him when he made orcs and trolls. He should have stayed a bit truer to the old fairy tale images.

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Halloween68: I Agree

    by kevinwillis.net

    And wasn't really arguing against that; just piping up that, while it was in many way a children's tale, it appeals to adults, and is sufficiently complicated that I think it would be difficult for a pre-tween to really follow it, and certainly the more complicated stuff wouldn't register at all . . . but it's all there for a good overall story. I agree: It is at root, a children's story, but I think it will make a great movie in the vein of LOTR, and I'm looking forward to it.

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Fuck Tintin!

    by zooch

    Make the Hobbit now!

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Pipergates

    by Halloween68

    Yeah. No. I don't want it to be "as" goofy and cartoonish as the actual Hildebrandt art, but I'd like it to be more that warm, friendly, fireside tone to it than the more serious, flat-toned stuff of Lee. I personally prefer Nasmith's stuff over any of them. But I guess what I'm trying to say with that comparison is ... well, have you ever seen a cover of Terry Brooks' Shanara series? You see how warm the colors are there? You see how eccentric the features are for each of the characters. Stuff like that, the monsters are clearly monsters from story books, elves are clearly otherworldly, wizards are clearly mysterious and magical. I'm wanting that kind of feel for this film. This should be a fantasy, adventure like it was written, not a historical reinactment like what Jackson was going for with his films. He was going for realism whereever he could get it. He wanted to frighten you by making comparisons to things we are familiar with ... the horror of war, addiction, mutation, political power. That worked fine with RINGS. I just don't think it would work for THE HOBBIT. I'm thinking Gary Gygax and STEADING OF THE HILL GIANT CHIEF.

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Autistic License...

    by Skyway Moaters

    ... we were exiled? Cooool! We love you too BTW...

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Even Tolkien struggled with the ring addiction concept.

    by Tinfang

    And among other things, was the main reason for revising the Hobbit after LoTR was published. The original edition of the Hobbit saw Gollum willingly turning over the Ring to Bilbo after he won the Riddle Game. Clearly, this didn’t jibe with the later LoTR premise of “ring addiction” so he revised and re-published the story that most everyone is familiar with. I agree, Jackson has upped the addiction ante and it’s going to be tricky having Bilbo fight all those spiders with a giant flaming eye in front of him!

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Tinfang, Sauron wasn't as "awake" so the ring's power wasn't as

    by WickedJacob

    Sauron also wasn't actively looking for it so there's no reason why there needs to be an eye. I know Tolkien said something along those lines in a letter or something. Can't remember exactly where.

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 1:35 p.m. CST

    The Quest for Erebor should be the basis (and name) of the movie

    by WickedJacob

    Its the same story, but told from Gandalf's point of view and was an attempt by Tolkien to shoehorn The Hobbit into the later conception of middle earth. You can find it in either the book of lost tales or unfinished tales, i forget which one.

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Hiya Tailenders

    by greenleaf

    Hiya Moaters! Tim Benzedrine, you dolt! Still crossing swords with the common people, I see? The OED people have got to update their Trilogy entry. You do sound like a French academician, you know. As for me, I've never been better, thank you for asking. Life's good. If you turn the TV off, it's even better. But enough about that. Indeed I drop by every once in a while at Club Angband to see how you folks are doing and maybe say hi, but the registration page is still closed to new arrivals of "Elves and Tarks". I just never had the will to ask your Mr. Bean to personally let me in. He just dislikes me so much, as you know. "Ingeld"? Ha, ha! I must confess morGy, my memory's not what it used to be. I have no recollection at all of this Ninja Galadriel person. Did we flirt a lot? Internet sex an option? I second the person who said "Fuck Tintin, make the Hobbit now!" PJ already ruined one of my childhood favourites, now he wants to mess with Tintin? MY TINTIN??!! This man has got to be stopped. I also like Mafalda, an *Argentine* comic strip, wanna mess with that too? A Belgian comic strip in the hand of a Kiwi... It's all going to the dogs, I tell you! This world is DOOOOOOOMED!!

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Mr_Incredible

    by antonphd

    I agree 100% with your 3 picks for directors. I think those are really, the only 3. My order of choice would be Cuaron, Guillermo and then Raimi.

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Cuaron

    by antonphd

    Cuaron has proven with The Little Princess and his Harry Potter that he is the best choice for the Hobbit films. Having just watched the Office, I'd like to see Martin Freeman in the role of Bilbo, if it's not possible to have Ian return to the role. Hehe, I just thought about having Ricky Gervais in the Bilbo role. Probably would be perfect for the role. He did do quite a phenomenal acting job on the Extras Christmas special that aired last night. Hmmm... interesting.

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 3:40 p.m. CST

    I see what you’re saying Wicked Jacob.

    by Tinfang

    However, we must keep book and movie separate. The Hobbit movie will have to coincide with the Middle-earth that Jackson, for better or worse, constructed. So, he’ll have to come up with some rational for Sauron’s perception power to be weaker. <p>I thought the scene at the Prancing Pony where Frodo accidentally (or WAS it?!!) slips on the Ring to be utterly over the top, “I see you! There is no life in the void!”, thereby setting the perception of “Ring Vision.” I don’t see it as much of a problem but it will require some bit of dialogue or visual to explain away.<p> Now, in the appendix of Return, it shows the time frame of the Necromancer occupying Dol Guldur (because of its proximity to the Gladden Fields) during the events of the Hobbit. He’s certainly looking for the Ring but in a far more secretive manner than later after the Nine have openly declared themselves. At least that’s how I remember it but I admit I need to re-read that portion.

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 4:56 p.m. CST

    The problem of Sauron's eye peaking in during the Hobbit.

    by Ingeld

    This can be easily taken care of. When Gandalf leaves the company after Beorn, he can simply say something about the Necromancer--being powerless, sleeping, that the eye his closed, but the wise are worried that he may awake soon, and this is part of the errand that takes him away. "No need for you to worry about my it my dear, Mr Baggins." Then he turns, but then gives a furtive glance back at Bilbo before he is off. Something is not right, but he just can't say what.

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Ian Holme as Bilbo...

    by caerlas

    Personally I think he could meet the physical demands of the role though he might get a bit bruised up. Depends upon how much PJ wants to embellish Bilbo's involvement in the action of the story.

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Cuaron should direct

    by kirttrik

    probably will be del Toro though

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Right you are Ingeld...

    by morGoth

    ...though, like the mention of Tolkien, PJ has painted himself into a few corners that may require a bit of tweaking to make things mesh. I guess we can look at Bilbo's own experience from the movie when he popped on the Ring at his Party...there was no exagerated Eye or anything but just that rather un-melodramatic "whuunn" sound. Heh, I always get the munchies when reading the Beorn chapter...all that talk about food and honey...mmmmm, honey.<p> Of course, Sauron, erm, Necromancer I mean, was very "awake" if you follow the Appendices and one could argue that the proximity of the Ring, especially after Bilbo had put it on to escape Gollum, might make Sauron even more aware of the Rings presence. Riddles in the dark...riddles in the dark.

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Sure you don't remember her greenleaf...

    by morGoth

    ...she was that troll that TORN sent over to spy on us. I remember you giving the poor, poor thing a bit of a rude reception (imagine that) and I bet she's still bawling her poor eyes out. <p> Yes, I imagine PJ will have Tintin as a Serkis mo-cap and we'll see him running with a herd of dinosaurs over a cliff in France (hey, if your beloved Disney can show waterfalls in the flatlands of Tidewater Virginia then there can be cliffs in France!). I can just see that rascally Snowy turned into an Olog-like ape-dog. C'mon greeny, you know you can trust PJ! <p> Still working on the CA thing so just hang on a bit longer...I think your permission may have suffered during the Great Orson Purge...please try again and if raw_bean gives you any guff about it, let me know and I'll have his stiff little neck. Fer the love of Ungoliant, the damned sign was put up just for you (OK, and Ingold too)!

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 9:01 p.m. CST

    Well thank you Autistic License...

    by morGoth

    ...only you left out hearing aids and Depends. And I can't wait to see you further "ignore" the upcoming Talkbacks {[:^)

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Not to mention cheese puffs an our (now dead) parent's basements

    by Skyway Moaters

    And I guarangoddamfuckingtee your sorry ass (Autistic License) that you'll 'get' worse than we'll 'receive' from the likes of you! *** Greeny: I don't know what's the deal between you and Bean, but "I" pay the fucking hosting fee for CA. So if you want in, you're in. I for one would be more than glad to have you there. *** Carelas: Ian Holm will be 80 years old by the time this goes into production. Not only is Bilbo supposed to be 50 years old (about 30 in human terms - given that Hobbits don't "come of age" until they're 33) at the time the Quest for Erebor takes place, there’s some pretty demanding physical activity Bilbo must undertake in the course of the tale. All else aside, I don't believe they can pull off making an 80 year old human believable as 50 year old Hobbit, CGI manipulation or otherwise.

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 10:50 p.m. CST

    Halloween, you're right Hobbit needs more warmth

    by pipergates

    it is more of an innocent fireside kind of story, and i hope Jackson either sticks a lot closer to the source this time, or gets some more talented help. Like Cuaron for instance. He better not add any silly dwarf-tossing this time, or his time of suffering in the pits of hell will surely be added to. The Hobbit is even more of a universal classic than TLOTR, some adaptation might have to be done, but he needs extra special care not to muddy the waters and change the tone this time....so MorGoth; the trolls: big noses or small?

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 10:54 p.m. CST

    The Voice of Smaug

    by Ingeld

    morGoth, I get the feeling, PJ is going to go with John Rhys-Davies for this. Also, I am betting that the Elf King--Thranduil will become a female character--an Elf Queen. A long shot, but not impossible, would be making Smaug-female. It would work to a degree--Smaug deep inside the womb on "her" treasure would be like a hen on her nest. It would certainly add a Freudian interpretation (in a book that already rife with Freudian images) to her slaying It will also be interesting to see what he does with the Trolls of the trollshaws as they were much more human than any trolls in LOTR. I know their stone visages have a cameo in the Fellowship. Ah it is so neat to have the fun speculating about a Tolkien movie again.

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Oh no...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Sci-Fi is reporting that Sam Raimi is set to direct THE HOBBIT:<P> http://tinyurl.com/2xlkcm

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 10:59 p.m. CST

    and yeah, Nasmith is better'n Lee and Hildes

    by pipergates

    hes pretty good indeed

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 11:05 p.m. CST

    no not Raimy oh no

    by pipergates

    better be untrue or we're in deep shit

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 11:19 p.m. CST

    no Raimy Hobbit! Cuaron is the man!

    by pipergates

    could it be that Jackson doesn't want to pick somebody who would better him?

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 11:52 p.m. CST

    elanor: Jeebus Christ on a bike!

    by Skyway Moaters

    Where the hell are my manners? Thank you so much for your support on the "T-Word" tirade. Have I told you lately how much you TOTALLY rock? How've you been fair Hobbit lass?

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 11:52 p.m. CST

    re: The spy from TORN

    by greenleaf

    Now that you mention it, it does ring a bell. But there was so much going on at that time, and I met so many people online in a short while, I must have lost track of it all. And I did abuse the pipeweed. I do remember my TORN paranoia, but they were rather unscrupulous types if not positively evil (as I’m sure I’ve suggested many times). The two first years on these boards I remember well, of course. Great memories amid the turmoils of a bleak adolescent life! Ah, to be young, inexperienced and obnoxious again!

  • Dec. 20, 2007, 11:59 p.m. CST

    re: Tintin

    by greenleaf

    About Tintin, I hear that Serkis is actually going to be in it, but as Haddock. And not to be technical, but Tintin lives in Belgium, not France, and most of his adventures take place abroad anyway. But that’s not going to stop PJ from screwing this up big time. You see, I think Spielberg and Jackson could pull off Tintin easily (because they are competent filmmakers), were it not for certain -shall we say- imperatives in the movie-making industry today. Tintin is nothing but classic adventure, it’s not particularly spectacular compared to today’s standards. Now I've said this time and time again and I know you hate me for it... But... here goes. In Hollywood (ah, now you see where that's headed), particularly in action movies it’s no secret to anyone that originality or mere *quality* is hardly the point anymore. The tendency is by and large to just recycle past box office sucesses and pad them with bigger effects, longer (sometimes very long!) action scenes and more elaborate (try silly) situations to try and rekindle some kind of excitement and suspense for us jaded moviegoers (DUMB, DUMB, DUMB IDEA!!). Now If Peter Jackson could do a 10-minute sequence with a giant staircase in Moria, imagine what he can do with Tintin. But Tintin is rather more toned down, sometimes even subtle. Toned down, subtle = Peter Jackson, of course! Now whose bright idea was that? Of course the idea is that Tintin doesn’t matter, what matters is that you can always format Tintin into that summer blockbuster cash machine and people won’t bat an eye because it’s fair game, it’s just entertainment and it’s also what the market dictates. And that’s a-OK, ain’t that the truth Georgie? And the truth is that no one’s better at churning up those ridiculous action flicks than Peter Jackson. So way to go, Spielberg. I just wish you find more suitable material next time and stop vandalizing valuable property. Just listen to AICN’s finest representatives of the Multiplex regulars. Tintin is GAY!! That says it all.

  • Dec. 21, 2007, 12:06 a.m. CST

    re: CA and Beanie

    by greenleaf

    Guys, you misinterpret. I didn't even *ask* the friendly Brit, I was just deterred by the non-functional registration screen and the thought of having to beg your good Mr. Bean for an ID and password. So I'm the one with no manners. What did you expect? I'm the French one!

  • Dec. 21, 2007, 2:10 a.m. CST

    epleterte overdriver

    by pipergates

    hobbit er barnsligere

  • Dec. 21, 2007, 2:11 a.m. CST

    Messi you ignorant slut...

    by poeticwarriorII

    you're like fighting a retard or loosening the bolts on all the wheelchairs at the hospital. It's just not fair because quite frankly your dumb as fuck. Jackson is an overrated fucking hack. Christ did you watch that goddamn train wreck that was the second and third LOTR and King Kong??? I suppose like most you thought that vomit was good. That moron missed the boat when it came to translating the books but hey you just eat it up shit stain. Let me know when you think of something witty as a retort dumb ass.

  • Dec. 21, 2007, 3:08 a.m. CST

    Way to go to scare the target audience out of the theater...

    by Rocket Scientist

    Peter Jackson doing the Hobbit isn't too far away from having Clive Barker do Little Red Riding Hood. I frankly doubt that they will make a movie out of "ancillary material" since they can only go by what they have the movie rights to, so at best they can use material that's hinted at in LotR -and as soon as they tiptoe a bit further, the Tolkien Estate is likely to have at them. In any case, "filling the gaps" truly reveals their level vis-a-vis Tolkien: fanfic, and not even the best of that.

  • Dec. 21, 2007, 5:49 a.m. CST

    Moaters and greenleaf...

    by morGoth

    ...it's all good. Got in touch with the beanster and all is well. Guess I'll have to clean out the Eldarian Memorial Barracks again. Whoosh, so much to say but I must be brief for now. <p> Sam Raimi? Ngghh...eep...doop, I'll have to chew on that for a while (not to mention a female Smaug!). <p> Hey pipergates...I'm thinking the existing stone trolls from Fellowship...pretty large snoots iffen I remember.

  • Dec. 21, 2007, 9:36 a.m. CST

    I take it all back Autistic...

    by Skyway Moaters

    You ar a LAUGH RIOT! "Autistic" isn't just a handle for you is it? Read much? If so don't worry, it doesn't show, you're still good to go with your homeies who frown on such things. And I have it on good authority that Santa's bringing you a lovely felt hat that will fit your pointy little head PERFECTLY...

  • Dec. 21, 2007, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Autistic License: I'm All for Revisionism

    by kevinwillis.net

    I loved the LOTR books (I'm reading them again, right now, as I type this) and I just listened to Rob Inglis's excellent reading of The Hobbit a few days ago . . . but I like the LOTR movies, too, love most of the embellishments, understand most of the omissions (although there is some dialog that could have been included, in my opinion, but . . . I'm cool). So, if the Hobbit has some Peter Jackson style revisions, I think it'll still be a kick-ass movie. And I'm 38, so I don't if that makes me a geezer, but I don't think the books are canon . . . though they rock, as they are, just as I think the movies rock, as they are, and I'm betting if anybody can do a hard-rocking two-movie arc of the hobbit, it's Peter Jacks and Fran Walsh, and I'm gonna love. Smaug can be a girl or the Elf King could be a queen and Bard could even be played by Darkman . . . as long as Hayden Christensen and Shia Labeouf aren't in it, I'm good. Sam Jackson as Bard!

  • Dec. 21, 2007, 9:41 a.m. CST

    LOTR: Best Trilogy Ever

    by kevinwillis.net

    From what I understand, Tolkien Originally wanted to call it "The Trilogy of the Rings".<br><br>In other news, three things that appear in a sequence shall from now on be called a "dodecahedron", so semantic purists can masturbate to their verbal superiority while calling three separate and distinct movies a word that actually refers to medieval and renaissance panel paintings.

  • Dec. 21, 2007, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Kevin kevin kevin...

    by Skyway Moaters

    Such vitriol! Why the ad-hominem attack? Calm down dude you'll give yourself an embolism or something. The whole T-word rant thing is just fishing tactic you tool.

  • Dec. 21, 2007, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Skyway Moaters

    by kevinwillis.net

    I liked your Talkback subject line. Kind of a trilogy of Kevins!<br><br>You seem very angry and defensive, Skyway. Here's a dime, buy a sense of humor. :)

  • Dec. 21, 2007, 9:53 a.m. CST

    From the OED (see item 2):

    by Skyway Moaters

    triptych /triptik/ • noun 1 a picture or carving on three panels, typically hinged together vertically and used as an altarpiece. 2 a set of three associated artistic, literary, or musical works.

  • Dec. 21, 2007, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Yeah, I think you do have OCD, Skyway

    by kevinwillis.net

    You are easily trolled, and can't let things go. And can't admit you're wrong, even you obviously are.

  • Dec. 21, 2007, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Thank you, no, Kev, already have one...

    by Skyway Moaters

    ... you're just not funny that's all...

  • Dec. 21, 2007, 10:01 a.m. CST

    But You're Pretty Funny, Skyway

    by kevinwillis.net

    In a deeply anal retentive sort of way.

  • Dec. 21, 2007, 10:15 a.m. CST

    And I'm not wrong about "Trilogy"

    by Skyway Moaters

    Who can't let things drop here? Who can't admit they're wrong? Sad little man. *** Again from the OED (or is that not a credible enough source for the omnicient Kevinwillis.net?): • noun (pl. trilogies) a group of three related novels, plays, or films. *** LOTR is a single novel not three related ones. The films is a three part adaptaion of a single contiguous novel. From the "Note on the text" in the Houghton Mifflin 60th anniversary edition: "JRR Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings is often erroneously called a trilogy, when it is infact a single novel, consisting of six books plus appendices, sometimes published in three volumes." *** So, by logic, LOTR is actually a "sextet". Give it a rest Kev, you can't win this, you haven't the wit.

  • Dec. 21, 2007, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Erm, "... so by YOUR logic..." that should have been.

    by Skyway Moaters

    Doh.

  • Dec. 21, 2007, 10:23 a.m. CST

    "But You're Pretty Funny, Skyway"

    by Skyway Moaters

    So does that mean I have give your dime back? Shoot. Indian giver!

  • Dec. 21, 2007, 12:03 p.m. CST

    a titanic troll nose, that knows where it goes

    by pipergates

    glad we agree on that. now the bad news is the long years we still have to wait. Will mcKellen still be in shape to wizardize? None can adequately substitute him.

  • Dec. 21, 2007, 2:27 p.m. CST

    I Read the Note On The Text, Skyway

    by kevinwillis.net

    Where Tolkien is clearly quoted as saying: "It's a trilogy, bitches. Tri-lo-geeeeee!" And then, "All your base are belong to us!" So, clearly, it's an authentic Tolkien quote.

  • Dec. 21, 2007, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Skyway: The Dime

    by kevinwillis.net

    It wasn't a real dime, anyway. It's plastic. And has a picture of Wimpy, from the Popeye comic strip, eating a hamburger on it.

  • Dec. 21, 2007, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Rob Inglis does a Great Gandalf Voice

    by kevinwillis.net

    In the audiobooks of The Hobbit and LOTR that he did. Doesn't quite have the look, tho.

  • Dec. 22, 2007, 6:35 a.m. CST

    @kevinwillis.net

    by Rocket Scientist

    So as far as you're concerned, you wouldn't care if a children's book was converted into a splatter movie or what?

  • Dec. 22, 2007, 8:07 a.m. CST

    I guess PJ can never get it right for some folks.

    by morGoth

    RE: Rocket Scientest...don't you think you're hyperbolizing just a wee bit? Go back and read the part where Jackson says he plans a faithful adaptation for the first movie...The Hobbit. Don't you want to wait until the pudding is out of the oven (or at least we've got a peek at the ingredients) before you make up your mind about it? I don't think even the harshest critics, and I don't mean the semi-psychotic ones, would term LoTR a splatter movie. There will be fighting and war in The Hobbit though so don't be surprised if there is a spot of splatterd blood; goblin, warg, Elf, Man, Dwarf, spider and I bet even a drop or two of Hobbit blood. I might even fall on a rock and go "Splat!"

  • Dec. 22, 2007, 3:04 p.m. CST

    rumors of Del Toro doing The Hobbit sounds better

    by pipergates

    a lot better than Raimi at least. I love Del Toro and think he's a prime director/creator, but i'm a bit wary of his monster-fetishes for this classical story...I would feel more at ease with Cuaron. It sounds like Toro has made some spectacular trolls in Hellboy II, and he did make a beautiful if dark fairytale with Pans Labyrinth. But Jackson and Del Toro together sounds a bit scary.

  • Dec. 23, 2007, 1:53 a.m. CST

    Meet the new troll - same as the old troll

    by elanor

    Chuckle chuckle, Autistic - do you seriously believe you have the strength to contest the will of the Tailenders? Your love of the Halflings' leaf has affected your mind. 8~)*****kevin willis or whatever, I don't think you were around when Moaters began his re-education program regarding the dear professor's works. He is a dog with a bone, but a very nice dog. And he's right (of course). And I can attest to his sense of humor as well, which is readily apparent in his postings for those with eyes to see them. (and I see yours too).****Ingeld, I'm not sure I agree about the possibility of a female Smaug or elf queen. I don't see as much need to "tamper" with this story as there was with LOTR. Much of the "tampering" in that Three Film Story was done without prior knowledge of how the basic story would be received by modern audiences and (I believe) was part of why it WAS so well-received, even though I will always cringe (or fast forward) at certain tampered-with spots. Now they know the audience is primed. The spots that may be tricky this time (what MorGoth refers to as the corners PJ painted himself into) could be the orcs, the seriousness and sadness of the Elves and Sauron. I'm not worried about the giant flaming eye - I think Ring Vision will be far more hazy and un-focused - like Sauron's power.****I am a little annoyed by the Sam Raimi mentions (as director) not because I think he sucks, but because I am unaware of a previous relationship with PJ or Fran. I just think it would be hard for anyone used to autonomy to work on PJ's so-well-established turf. I think whoever directs will need to be someone well-versed with Weta and New Zealand.

  • Dec. 28, 2007, 10:08 a.m. CST

    I agree elanor-lass...

    by morGoth

    ...Raimi just doesn't "feel right." Someone suggested Fran Walsh as director in another TB and that's not a bad notion. Just get her partner back for the Battle of Five Armies and the second movies Seige of Dol Guldur scene.