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Journey Over For JOURNEYMAN??
I am – Hercules!!
NBC on Tuesday let its option on extending the first season of “Journeyman” lapse, according to The Hollywood Reporter.
Now the time-travel series’ cast is free to seek work elsewhere, effectively ending the series.
The final two episodes written before the writers’ strike will air Monday and Wednesday of next week.
Read all of The Hollywood Reporter’s Wednesday morning story on the matter here.
Fans of the show are not yet giving up on it. From “yodaismyhomie”:
I didn't know who to send this too but decided to choose you since you did the report about watching Journeyman monday night. http://savejourneyman.net/ has decided to send Rice-a-Roni to NBC in hopes of saving the show. THey are hoping people will send a creative letter "from the future" to the show execs. Anyway, I was hoping you could post an article linking to their site or with the info available from it (you need to scroll down when you get there) so fans can act to save Journeyman.
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for the love of Dan, let it be true
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Let this be picked up by ABC please for the love of god.
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fuck regular tv and the reality shit they put on it
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Unlabled is from the future, or maybe the past, and knew when to post. Maybe my assignment will be to correct this problem so I will be sent back to before this site began and convince a young Harry to start this website. Unlabled just ruined many peoples lives and I will correct this situation.
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I had to stop a mugger from killing a victim so she could start a ballet group for disadvantaged kids. Second will have to do.
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. . . on a crappily writen show w/ crappy characters, not one of which acts or reacts to ANYTHING like a normal person would, then I wouldn't have quit watching 2 episodes and would care about this news.
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The network is giving back money (not make goods) to advertisers for last season prime time ratings shortfalls. That's LAST SEASON, when they at least had a hit show or two. But this year, Journeyman, Bionic, Life, and Chuck were considered the "big four," and we're starting to see how well that plan turned out. Couple this with the writer's strike (I SUPPORT THE WRITERS ON THIS ONE, btw) and the peacock looks wobbly right now, which should make the haters rejoice a little.
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This show needs to be on in the Chuck or Heroes timeslot... 9PM CST is too late for the audience the show was looking for. I will miss the show, it captured my attention much more than Heroes did this season.
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Was the guy who kidnapped and murdered children a few episodes back.
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Great fucking job NBC. Order a whole season of the craptacular Bionic Woman, and let a true gem slip through your fingers. After the disaster with Heroes this season, I think you'd be willing to nurture a show, but apparently not. Congrats, this fall everyone was buzzing about how geek friendly you had become, but you just proved all the cynics right. Fuck your channel. I won't be watching anything on Monday Nights anymore.
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I will try to go back and kill Jeff Zuckers and the rest of the suits at NBC and bang Nia Long when she was hot.
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but I'm too depressed to care at the moment.
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Whenever you read this...
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like Jericho. Only before the network lets the regulars go. Poor Kevin McKidd, the guy can't win. He's been on two great shows and both of them got bad ratings and were canceled prematurely. at least Rome had a somewhat natural end. Journeyman might not get that.
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I think that is a dumb idea, it pales with the "nuts" campaign of Jericho, and just seems like a crappy copycat move. Letter campaigns sometimes work, but I think some sort really clever, grassroots guerilla tactics are in order here, if you want to save this show. I am not sure that in our day and age there is time to save a show like Journeyman. It almost feels like the execs basically roll up their sleeves, advertise the crap out of a lineup, and then after the season premiere if it doesn't score a 20, they sort lean back and say "well that didn't work, hmmm, let's try something else." The irony is, do they believe that anything else they put in that time slot is going to do that much better? Deleted scenes from Deal or No Deal are going to outperform Journeyman? Really? The what the hell!!!
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Dec 12, 2007 11:10:44 AM CST
The pilot had horrible acting, but the series was pretty good.
by squashua
Just like "Five Towns".
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i will totally miss journeyman. the show had gotten so much better/darker in the last 5 or so episodes. i hate that it's done. mckidd is great though, i'm sure he'll get another TV gig, i for one would love to see this guy on heroes.
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I realize this is an afterthought, and it's just me being bitter that my favorite new show was canceled, but maybe you should have been throwing up talkbacks for this show everyweek... I think we went six weeks without one. Every little bit helps. I just find it frustrating that the crapfest Heroes gets another season (and a TB every week in which no one discusses how great the show is, but actually bitches about how terrible it is!!), but a truly great show is gone before it's time. How about the next time a show is on most of us love you give us a TB for it every week, instead of just at the beginning and end of it's run. Too little too late.
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Fucking stupid TV viewers would rather waste money on sending food to executives of a crappy TV show than to donate to the poor. These people have their priorities all fucked up.
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J-Man just didn't do it for me. I'd watch Heroes, then tune out. I think the casual viewer that actually stayed w/ Heroes felt the same. Don't send Rice a Roni, that is fucking retarded. It will just stack up in the studio mailrooms next to all the stupid pencils. AlwaysThere is right. Use your time and money to send mosquito nets to poor kids in Africa or something. Studios won't save a new show with low ratings when they don't even know when they'll get thir writers back to work. Enjoy this Spring of American Gladiators, Deal or No Deal, and Law and Order repeats 24/7.
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Dec 12, 2007 11:34:17 AM CST
This whole "send [random item] to the network" protest
by cerebralassassin
has got to stop. It was clever once but is now astoundingly stupid. Let the show rest in peace.
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i'm sure this has already been said. i still like journeyman, though.
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I'm pretty sad now, and my work product is bound to suffer. Seriously, I'm pissed.
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You have a valid point. I've been as vocal a proponent of renewing this show as anybody, and all for ssending a makeshift ketchup sandwich, some aspirin in an envelope or taking 10 minutes to jot down a letter from the future in garden-variety geekdom support, but the Rice-A-Roni thing does seem like a damned waste of non-perishable food that could be put to a hell of a lot better use. Gotta pass on that idea.
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That would mean I said the premise sucked. I thought the sci-fi elements were awesome. Burying the ring, learning to carry different currency for each time period, etc was all great stuff! But the dialogue and how the people acted just ruined it all for me. I was intrigued by the ongoing story, but the episodic stories that were introduced and wrapped up within the hour were lame. I was just stating my opinion people, not trying to pour salt in your wounds. It's fucking T.V. Although I am kind of a hypocrite. If this happened to Lost, I'd be livid right now.
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You know it to be true.
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I hate the fact that NBC has the balls to go out on a limb for unique programming (occasionally), but never has the balls to nurture its own programming. I think the Nielson ratings system is no longer representative of the whole, and should be scrapped for a more complete system. Even the "Nielson +7" ratings are flawed!
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Maybe we need Hiro to just fast forward all of us to the day when this strike is settled and scripted TV isn't in as dire straits as it is now. I mean, 'Crowned'? tonight on the CW? Puh-leeze.
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Bionic Woman has no "audience" and is mess to boot. The talk-backs here said a lot. I have never seen more agreement on a topic in the years I have been reading stuff here.
Journeyman joins "Lucky" and "Wonderfalls" as great shows that never got a chance to get "an audience".
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Hope they work, I can't get tinyurl to work for me, if they don't work go to the main website and look up the sources listed:
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...but networks only care about the ratings. Wake up to reality, folks. You can send DOZENS of letters to NBC, but what was really needed was for MILLIONS of people to actually watch the show. And that clearly didn't happen.
Still, I have to sympathize with the show's lousy timeslot. The show is better than most of the trash they broadcast mid-evening, yet they pushed Journeyman into a 10pm slot. A was struggling to stay awake. It may have done a lot better at 8pm. -
Why "Rice-a-Roni"? Am I missing some sort of significance, or was the really just "Let's send {fill in the blank}!"?
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I don't remember, where you into this show? Or where you just a supporter of our geekness?
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... but nothing mindblowing. Wouldn't use the dreaded "meh" to describe it, more like "eh, s'okay". This season has really been the Season from Hell as far as TV goes. I think, at this point, broadcast TV is within about a micron's width of being a dead medium. I know the strike has driven me to a Netflix account, reading and Tivoing the occassional interesting documentary on the History Channel. Oh, I'll still Tivo Lost this February, even if it will be only 8 measly episodes with a hastily slapped together "season finale"... I do hope it doesn't go all "Kring" on us and suck out loud, but I don't really have too much hope. As for when the strike ends... I think I'm done with broadcast TV and I'm not alone. I'm sure from time to time there'll still be shows that don't suck, but really, the format needs to just lie down and die already like silent films or pulp magazines or music CDs and any other outdated entertainment delivery systems that have outlived their usefulness.
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...the San Francisco Treat! Journeyman is set in San Francisco? Get it?
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Thuis was the best time travel series I had ever seen... it is a very hard style of Sci-fi to pull off. I was impressed. I'm very sad theat they didn't move it to Sci-fi or give it a second chance to ramp up. What makes it particularly hard is not knowing whether the uncertainty around the Writer's Strike is what pull the final nail in the coffin...
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but will always remember him as Rusty Griswold
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It's much better the Eureka for shits sake.
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...by another network than it would any other tv season - the writer's strike is not only stopping production on existing shows, but it's about to the point where pilots for new series would start to get shopped around to the networks, and nobody's getting to write those either. It's still a SMALL chance for another network to pick it up, but not quite as small.
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I am still pretty stoked that Kevin Falls was able to see the writing on the wall and that we're going to be getting some big answers in the next two episodes. Who knows? Maybe if the ratings are high enough on the last two episodes it might come back. And I am sure with as cool as Falls has been in regards to the shows fans we'll get some answers on the DVD.
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Journeyman is the only decent new US show to have made it the UK so far (although we're getting Pushing Daisies and Damages early in the new year). It's also the best time travel series since Quantum Leap (and, no, i don't count TNG as a time travel series).
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That's what they should do...
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Is we'll be left with all these questions. I don't know what people thought of Invasion but I really liked it and wanted to know what was going on. Same with Journeyman. I want to know about Dr. Langley and his connection to Dan's dad. I want to know why he's time traveling, how he's time traveling. This sucks!
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It was fun while it lasted. I really would have liked to seen this develop even further over the years.
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we're going to get some answers in the next two episodes especially to the question as to why Dan is time traveling in the first place. They should be great episodes. Still sucks this show is canceled. My favorite new show of the season to look forward to watching, this and Reaper (which is also on the bubble)
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alone should be enough to save the show!!
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Even though we knew it was coming, this still sucks like a drippy whore on crack.
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kristen did fuck all, 1 item about journeyman and that was todays news. nbc fuck you too, you have nothing. no shows what so ever, heroes this year was bollock, watch until next years figures drop off. i can't belive you let this gem out of your hands, seriously i can't figure out tv execs, they have no love for the shows they are producing. someone stand up and be counted.
moonlight renewed? wtf? its not half the show angel is. i wtached a couple of episodes and thought why the fuck am i watching rehashed shit
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whats the point of watching new shows if you don't know if they're getting renewed or cancelled? what till next year nbc. just wait.
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which is great and much appreciated but I'm sure there will be more questions unanswered. oh well, it was a great show while it lasted and hopefully some miracle saves it.
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they could do a lot worse. they lost the lost room and currently thier lineup stinks to high heaven
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a Prom Queen when teacher comes a-knockin'. 'Now Jennifer, if you want that college placement you're gonna have to take a lot more than that...come on, teen whore, I'm not even tapping your tonsils yet! Choke, bitch, choke!'
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Decent pilot, followed by a string of bad Quantum Leap "time-travel-of-the-week" stories. Then it got great for 3 or 4 eps. for the FBI-investigation/stolen money arc. Know why? Because every character had something to do that interacted with each other. The wife didn't just whine because Dan wasn't home. The brother didn't just shake his head and say "What's wrong with you Dan?" There was mythology building and drama and tension. And then that arc ended and we got another "time-travel-of-the-week" story this week. Except now Dan's brother's "he's on drugs" angle has been given to Dr. Girlfriend. And the wife is still whiney. And the promise the show had for a episodes is gone. Oh, and so is the show.
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Normally I would see this as the end of a show, however considering the strike, there are no other shows for the actors to move on to, NBC knows this. Why pay to keep them around when there are no scripts to film? I suspect we'll see this with other shows as well. Hope it does come back, maybe with Scott Bakula as a guest star playing an 'evil leaper'.
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...they should start writing better.(not all, obviously, but apropos to the journeyman thread.)
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I hope someone else picks up the show, it's solid and well-written, I'm sure it can find an audience on a network that cares for it. NBC certainly didn't. Maybe the networks should just give up the pretense and run nothing but quiz, talk and reality shows. Leave the creative stuff to cable networks.
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Dec 12, 2007 1:21:55 PM CST
JOURNEYMAN was good, not great, and that's why it didn't catch o
by spyguy
Sure, there were something interesting takes on the time-travel genre, but there's only so much an audience is willing to take of Dan getting a headache and disappearing at the wrong time. When JOURNEYMAN played the card of Dan disappearing and his kid is left alone in a crowd, I decided I was done. Who honestly wants to watch that? Obviously, not enough people to keep the show alive.
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a straw, and then inhale too fast and choke on the liquid that they inhaled too fast.
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besides canceling a great show like Journeyman, is the obvious product placement. Such as the color picture Olivia was holding up in the past with her and Dan holding up A&W Root Beer glasses in it. It was a terrible photoshop to begin with. At least 30 Rock tries to be funny with their product placement, such as the Snapple tie ins or GE products.
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Please go hug a mountain lion with a bunch of raw meat stuffed in your pockets.Thanks.
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You guys deserve better, and here's to hoping that it really is NOT the end just yet. THANKS TO ALL. You put on a great show.
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I've enjoyed what I've seen...and NBC is making a colossal mistake. Heroes is on the way out.
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The head of NBC prime-time programming only wants NBC-Universal shows on the NBC-Universal stations. This includes Sci-Fi, Bravo, and USA. Journeyman is a FOX-production show that is airing on NBC.Now 2 weeks ago, a story was published saying there were concernes that the prime-time boss was being unethical, since he was showing favoritism to his old production house (the one that is doing the US version of "Ugly Betty".) A job he left to run NBC prime-time.Another layer to all this is that NBC News (through MSNBC and CNBC) and FOX News Channel and FOX Business Channel are at war. So on a boardroom politics front, having a show produced and technically owned by the enemy on your channel doesn't make much sense. A really great place for "Journeyman" would be FX. That would let FOX keep it in-house.-----later-----m
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I just want to second CatVutt's sentiments and hope you do better and also to hoping that this is not truly the end just yet. But if it is, good luck and thanks for at least 13 good episodes of this show.
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about the turf war between Fox and NBC, it's becoming harder and harder to find shows produced by other companys appear on a competitors network. But this is capitalism at its greatest, where we are seeing fewer and fewer production companys and only a handful run the business and can pick and choose which shows make it and which ones get canned.
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check this from ew.com:
Although NBC isn't ordering a full-season of Journeyman, it hasn’t officially canceled the show either. In fact, there's a remote chance it could get a second season pickup if the strike continues through the spring, when the town is usually developing pilots for the next TV season. "If there is scorched earth and there are no pilots, then that’s a whole different thing," admits Falls. "There is probably a better than average chance that we would come back. But nobody wants that. I would throw my show on the sword if this strike would end beforehand. Too many people suffer from a long strike.”
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Damn you.
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Dec 12, 2007 2:42:17 PM CST
I'll have to go into next week thinking it's not going away
by just pillow talk
and then be absolutely thrilled with not one, but two episodes next week!
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That would be just cool...
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we're a rallying point...
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Dec 12, 2007 2:55:56 PM CST
Can anyone at SciFi channel explain why you guys don't pick this
by snowpuff
If any show could easily have its budget reduced without grossly effecting the story or production, it's Journeyman.
They moved Criminal Intent to your sister channel USA, didn't they? Bonnie Hammer, don't you run both USA and SciFi?
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Dec 12, 2007 2:56:58 PM CST
Can anyone at SciFi channel explain why you guys don't pick this
by snowpuff
If any show could easily have its budget reduced without grossly effecting the story or production, it's Journeyman.
They moved Criminal Intent to your sister channel USA, didn't they? Bonnie Hammer, don't you run both USA and SciFi?
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Probably would only frustrate me. I'm still bitter over stuff like Miracles getting insanely compelling, and then cancelled.
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the fuck his name is who does Power Rangers, Fag Gordon, and Tin Man. Quality Sci Fi is leaving the building. Just read this guys commentary here:
http://www.syfyportal.com/news424529.html
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If you have viewers shows stay on the air - no viewers shows get cancelled. Is that really so hard to understand?
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i really am. JM crew, you did an excellent job, thsoe that watched it and carried on watching loved it. here's hoping the strike continues!
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they've culled so many good shows its really pathetic. house and 24 ( yeha yeah i know last season was crap) are the only things worth watching. FO the love of god someone pick it up!
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it was nice to see Vorenus still working and all, but this show seemed a helluva lot like another show I saw a long, long time ago - only without Dean Stockwell...
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it's a mistake. people are lazy, and if they have to do the effort of being creative (instead of a standard "the show rulz, plz don't cancel it"), they'll just do nothing. why rice-a-roni? (wtf is that anywhay?)
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let's face it, TV executives are lazy...If I see one more Tv show ripped-off from "Dragnet" (a tv show "based" on real cases with 2 cops who go out and solve crimes) or "Marcus Welby" (human drama where doctors try and make people well) or "Perry Mason" (a "kick-ass" lawyer who takes a personal interest in his defendants lives) or "Mary Tyler Moore"(funny independent woman), or "Jack Benny"(funny unpleasant misfit we somehow care about) or "The Tonight Show" (a funny guy who interviews famous people @ 11;30pm) I'm going to puke...let's see something original for a change!
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EVERYONE SEND BIG, TEN THOUSAND POUND STONE OBELISKS TO THE STUDIO
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i'm pissed the show is done, but not in the least bit surprised.
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stop acting like it's completely dead. Just in a vegetative state...
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Comparing Journyman to QL is about as new as saying _____ has a beer and cheets on his wife.
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fans were this aggressive when Angel, Farscape, and Carnivale were cancelled... damn
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At least with Angel and Farscape!
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Dumb asses.
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Maniaq. You, sir, are wrong.
Journeyman is nothing like Quantum Leap.
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I must admit I've been impressed by the outpouring of support for this show.
I will admit, it IS less shitty than 75% of what's currently airing on television.
SAVE JOURNEYMAN: NOT AS SHITTY AS THE REST!!!
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Plus, if it is cancelled, I will be denied the opportunity to actively loathe it ...
And - eagerly awaiting the next mention of Ketchup Sandwiches on the show. If Journeyman lives, that should be Kevin Falls' first order of business.
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Now I'm depressed. Will not watch anything on NBC. EVER. Journeyman was most enjoyable. But seriously, is this show cancelled officially? And what the hell is happening about this strike???? Is there any progress?
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http://tinyurl.com/3dktmm :)
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and their fucking reality/game show programming.
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Journeyman canceled for second time in two seeks, gets 6th or 7th talk-back in that time.Less than an hour 'til a brand new Pushing Daisies with Paul Reubens, nothing. The first time Pee-Wee was on, Herc declared it the best episode since the pilot, this time, nothing.Maybe they'll make a TV movie in which Journeyman teams up with Foreignerman, Asiaman and Totoman to keep the AOR airwaves safe for '70s arena rock.
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"Primatech On Strike"
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So I'ma geek. Nyeh. :p
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even Kristen Bell can't make this news better. :(
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...that joke was rough, dude.
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Cue Mr. Nice Gaius!
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It felt like a chore watching the first six episodes. No interesting mythology to build kills a show like this,
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If not, they seem to be doing their best to off themselves. The networks NEED quality shows like this (or Friday Night Lights) to maintain respectability (they're called loss leaders, folks). Otherwise your just an churning out the flavor of the week game show and reality TV--eventually that's all people will think of (when they do think of you) and they'll start skipping right over you on the dial (dials--remember those). More and more of the TV I watch is on cable and that's thanks to crappy network TV.
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Hopefully this teaches AICN to only make talk backs for shows that are going to last.
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But Two and a Half Men is still on TV? Fuckity fuck fuck.
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J-man was dead weeks ago. If NBC owned the series they would have left it going, but nope- I'm afraid it's dead. It'll make for a great box set that I can give to friends as presents for years to come, but it's dead. I PRAY Sci-Fi doesn't pick this show up, especially after their "treatment" of Battlestar and Flash (Alex Raymond is SCREAMING from beyond the grave!) Gordon. It's BEST to leave some things short and great and ALONE! Sorry we didn't get more Dan Vassar because it's obvious to us few that had the sense to follow and wrap our brains around what was going on that there was a hell of a great amount of entertainment potential there. Sorry that NBC, whose GREAT idea for a Monday night escape was dogged by a weak adolescent Chuck and a surprisingly weak and redundant Heroes 2nd season, (because their initial programming resoning was sound) ends with them killing off the only true intelligent gem of the night this season. Sorry to see they couldn't hang on and allow the season to finish out because the WAS a destination the series was headed for, and it WAS getting better and better, and more and more interesting as it went along. BUT, on a net that rewards us not with second chances and additional showings in a time of strike to TRY to build a stronger word-of-mouth audience on work they've already paid for, they would rather WASTE their money, and our time and loyalty on more Deal or No Deal and the Spike oriented American Gladiators- well frankly it's their money to waste, but I won't waste my time watching that tripe- that's what cable and wrestling's for. FINALLY, sorry, to the many talkbackers here that never gave this show the chance it deserved, or the many fantasy fans desperately looking for good entertainment who so shortsightedly dismissed this show as a Quantum Leap rip, when it really wasn't, it was MUCH better. I was ALMOST one of you sad short sighted lot, but I'm glad I stuck it out and watched because, like Twin Peaks, Firefly, Profit, and even Jericho (oh yeah, THAT show's gonna see a 3rd season- RIGHT!), J-Man was a GEM you missed, but MAYBE you'll figure that out some rainy weekend when you have NOTHING left to do but watch that DVD set you got for X-mas from your buddy that knew better and gave you A set. It's all our loss that this show is gone, but especially you short sighted "sci-fi" loving talkbackers who close mindedly never gave this show a chance. You see, with your lackluster Chuck and your sad redundant Heroes flailing on this sad network (that's now paying back advertisers for having such a LOUSY sense in programming skill), all you're doing is convincing more net execs that QUALITY shows like this aren't worth their time and loss of money. Thanks guys, continue to joke about how this show is a pale Quantum Leap and keep wondering why in a few years there is still no real quality sci-fi on network television. Atta Boys!!
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THIS NEWS SUCKS ASS!!!
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ratings for that show via wiki have been lower than the lowest rated journeyman. Scrubs has had lower ratings and its not a NBC show. yet it stays too.... for 7 years. (not complaining about scrubs.) Its just shows the viewers how dumb you are. good luck nbc. i won't be watching your channel anymore. i like heroes and love scrubs....but i can wait for the DVD and gladly give WB and FOX my money.
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...I'd go to Sam's Club, buy a crate of Rice-A-Roni, and mail it to NBC in support of the movement.
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for no other reason than as a big FUCK YOU to NBC. And I hate CSI Miami. I really hate it. But that's how much I now hate NBC.
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I personally like my ketchup sandwiches thing... but Rice-a-Roni is a less creative way to save this awesome show I guess...
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I have the DVD set. Such a great show. You're right, at least NBC is showing all the Journeyman episodes.
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Like a number of other talkbackers, I was one who almost dismissed "Journeyman" and would have if not for the gentle prodding of some of my closest friends. And I gave the show a chance around episode 3 and never looked back. "JM" had become more and more tantalizing and engaging as "time" and each episode marched forward. The complications were enormously interesting as Dan's actions in the past affected the present in a very real way. Kevin McKidd was excellent as Dan and I believe too few have given credit to Gretchen Egolf who did amazing work as Katie. But the handwriting was on the wall for JM: from the weekly falling ratings, to the lousy 18-49 demo numbers, to consistently comign in thrid behind CBS and ABC, there was no way the show was going to make it given its increasingly complicated mythology. Having said all that, while I don't blame NBC for cancelling JM, a cursory look at NBC Universal's strategies reveal a certain level of insanity that cannot be easily explained by drugs. First was the widely reported decision to front load most nights in the 8PM-9PM slots with reality programming. Then was the nasty split with Apple over iTunes pricing, instead of staying and taking that money and STILL creating new revenue streams; instead, they have fractured themselves into dozens of pieces on the web with Hulu, HooDoo, Voodoo, Fanfare, and so on. They've over promoted many of their shows, engaged in hop scotch scheduling (remember that this season's original schedule was far different than what aired), saturated their ancilliary networks like SciFi and USA with repurposed airings (which actually serve to devalue a show in my opinion), and even showed agressive disdain for its daytime soaps...now numbering one. There is prudent cost-cutting and then there is paralyzing cheapness and greed, the kind of which hasn't been seen since the days when Larry Tisch decimated CBS News (from which it has never recovered) and Cap Cities took a hacksaw to ABC before selling it off to Disney. The only difference now is that Universal has turned into the equivalent of Jigsaw and the sadists from Hostel in terms of their absolute contempt toward common sense. There is something seriously wrong not just at the network level, but in the upper corporate echelons of Universal.
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It's been a long day.
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...that was the easiest Wall of Text I've ever read. Well said, B5Ripoff(just *had* to get that dig in =p), except for one thing.
Bionic Whore gets just as bad ratings, is an absolute SHITTY show in a better timeslot, was the #1 promo'd show by far this past season and got renewed. Explain the logic there, please. -
When was Bionic Woman extended (not renewed)? I haven't read that anywhere yet. Last I heard it was very much on the chopping block. ("B5Ripoff" doesn't bother me as B5 was a load of cheaply produced, prentious horseshit from the git go...but that's just me. LOL)
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Seriously, the notion of a person traveling through time and helping people hasn't been new for ages. The main thing is how it's done - what's the hook. With QL, the hook was Sam's roleplaying, leavened with a good amount of humor via Al. Journeyman played it straight - maybe too straight; it could've used more laughs- and put it's own spin by focusing on the effects on his family, and the overarcing mystery. I have enjoyed the show, and I'll be sorry to see Kellerman and Verenus out of work, but I can't say I'm going to miss it either.
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Most fun new show. Besides Daisies and Reaper.
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BW was going to be "reinvented" as reported by this site(or someone posted a link to that info from here)a couple months ago. I can't remember who he is, but there's been a new showrunner appointed.
Of course, the strike has put that on hold, I would imagine, so no new news on that front.
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Dec 12, 2007 11:13:16 PM CST
Where was everybody when "V: The Series" was in trouble?
by mrmysteryguest
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...Medium is coming back. Oh, wait.
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Now at least McKidd will be able to apply for the Thor job! He'd be great as everyone's favourite hammer wielding norse god!
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Yeah, NBC/Universal has been pretty lame lately in their decision making abilities. Journeyman is a tough(er) sell, but worthy of the additional (or at least, SOME) effort. Btw that DID YOU KNOW post was pretty scary there MSage
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this weeks Pushing Daisies, and nothing. This episode SPOILERS featured the return of Paul Reubens' sewer dwelling character, resolved the cliffhanger from the previous episode (In which Chuck learns that ned accidentally killed her father), prominently featured the Aunts, contained a major revelation about Chuck's parentage and featured unprecedented (on this show) drug based hallucinations (an animated walking crab cake, a floating glowing mermaid) and a first mention of Emerson Cod's daughter, plus repeated uses of the word "cocks", and nothing. Meanwhile folks here are wallowing in feces over a confusing time travel show NBC has canceled twice so far. Like I said, Prioritize.
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Lets see how long the list is now...
1. Angel
2. Wonderfalls
3. Tru Calling
4. Dead Like Me
5. Surface
6. Veronica Mars
7. Reaper (oh you know its coming)
8. Firefly
9. The Lone Gunman
I know there are plenty more but its 6am and I just woke and baked , so cant think of em.... Thanks a fucking lot NBC. Now were stuck with shit shows like Bionic Boring. God that show is lame. Journeyman actually gave me some stuff to think about sometimes.. I already deleted my dvr from ever recording bionic boring again.. -
Lets see how long the list is now... 1. Angel 2. Wonderfalls 3. Tru Calling 4. Dead Like Me 5. Surface 6. Veronica Mars 7. Reaper (oh you know its coming) 8. Firefly 9. The Lone Gunman I know there are plenty more but its 6am and I just woke and baked , so cant think of em.... Thanks a fucking lot NBC. Now were stuck with shit shows like Bionic Boring. God that show is lame. Journeyman actually gave me some stuff to think about sometimes.. I already deleted my dvr from ever recording bionic boring again..
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The Loop from fox was was prematurely gutted for the "second season" and then prematurely canceled. (at least we got reaper out of it). And now Futurama is comin back on DVD yay.
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Maybe Hiro will run into Dan Vasser on one of his trips through time. Now that would be cool!
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and of course Carnivale.
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Surely someone can confirm or deny?
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Dec 13, 2007 9:34:05 AM CST
So do I mockingbird, probably from the same source too.
by skidmarkedundies
Then justice is done if so. However, now they need shows like Journeyman MORE THAN EVER.
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They just don't show BSG or Stargate Atlantis, hell even Doctor Who, in these open timeslots. What's the risk? They are already HITS on Sci-Fi, why not promote them to the big leagues. BSG would OWN on Wednesday nights in Bionic Woman's slot. That doesn't sound right.
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Sorry.
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Or do we have to wait until that show's barely clinging to life support just like JOURNEYMAN? Ray Wise and Missy Peregrym's cute girl-next-door smile deserve some serious AICN pimpage.
Oh, and I'm betting NBC is quitely axing BIONIC WOMAN. The January series reboot is not going to happen.
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Dammit, I need caffeine stat.
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When you're making your list of series canned way before their run was over, how can you list Angel (2 GREAT years, followed by 2 mediocre years, followed by 1 messy scattered year), Tru Calling (stumble, stumble, stumble) or Drive (even Gumball Rally was better), when you've had shows like Twin Peaks (which was starting to stumble at the end- but still SO much fun to watch), Deadwood, Wonderfalls, Profit, Kindred, Space Above and Beyond (which like JM was getting beter as it was finishing up), Brimstone, Firefly, Miracles, American Gothic (though that was tumbling at the end as well) Crusades (which had maybe 3-4 eps that scratched that series potential), Space Rangers, the list goes on and on of net exec stupidity- not to mention the pilots that never saw airtime even in the last couple of years like Global Frequency, Mercy Reef (okay, that one maybe not), Return to Oz, Dark Shadows (vol 30...the lest just goers on. Most Network and Cable station execs have NO clue what makes quality long, lasting programming- just look at Andromeda, or the last 2 attempts at Trek (well, 4 if you count the movies)- If you ask me the good shows are the accidents, and great shows running past 2-3 season truly the exceptions. Ratings are antiquated at best and were totally unreliable back when there were only 3 networks, let alone cable, net, and recorders. That's every fan's frustration- all the execs can see are innaccurate numbers that they try to push into dollars- screw long term loyalty and quality, those aspects might make for eternal merchandising sales (that far outstrip the immediate advertising dollar), but it doesn't make the bank account grow IMMEDIATELY as much as spinning numbers in front of advertisers. BBC is learning. Out of all the "nets" I'm able to watch they're figuring out that long term loyalty to quality shows PAYS HUGE, and Dr Who (except for the lastest season- which was spectacular) has been one of the shlockiest shows at times on the airwaves. Now it's spawning a huge cash cow for them. I think it's AMAZING that NBC is running the remaining shows of Journeyman- if the strike wasn't on I'm willing to wager they would have cut this show off at the knees weeks ago. And yet flawed shows that they "own" get to continue, have new back talent infusion and exec loyalty that boggles the mind.
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the new formula for a show's success. They finished a whole season, they didn't quite find a hit, but it wasn't the poorest rated show either...put it on DVD and see how it sells before you make any type of decision. I'm pretty sure strong DVD sales kept Arrested Development on for three seasons instead of less than two. Genre shows in particular seem to have much stronger life after initial airings, you might as well test those waters before you measure the success of these shows. You might as well run a marathon on sci-fi or some other station, maybe even make a bit more money off the show that way, and pull in new fans for a second season. I'm not even looking at this as a fan of the show, I'm looking at it strictly as a business decision.
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Law & Order: Parking Violations Unit. Heck they could even recycle the same opening they have used for 20 years.
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They should have a show where NBC execs need to answer for the shitty decisions that they make...
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...is a very good article discussing many of these issues, for those who care:
http://tiny.cc/1bXIO
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Realistically, the ratings just weren't there. Wouldn't be a bad pickup for Sci Fi or USA though.
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Should Journeyman Continue?
http://community.tvguide.com/poll.jspa?pollID=800000547
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Get your dick out of your eye.
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That's just wrong, are you sure you're not one of the Woodland Critters from South Park?
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The show actually go better as it went along. I Tivo'd them to watch when there wasn't much else on, and got hooked. It's too bad that NBC doesn't have the balls to let it stew a little more. Personally, I think it is the best new show of the year.
Out of curiosity, does anyone know if Tivo'd programs are tracked, and is that information provided to the networks? DVR and Tivo have changed the way many Americans watch TV. We don't have to watch them when they are on anymore. I would bet that Journeyman finds a strong audience amony repeats, DVD and people who will watch their recorded shows when now that the new shows are going into repeat mode. Just curious... -
And email them and email them and email them and email them.
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There's certainly no reason NBC shouldn't be rerunning BSG in Prime-Time from the beginning right now. Especially during the strike... and trying to capitalize on the great word-of-mouth surrounding the show. There are lots of people who have heard about it but aren't ready to pay for Netflix/online/dvds yet or they don't even have Sci-Fi Channel or know where it is on their dial. I mean, what does NBC have to lose? They're just playing repeats and scrambling to come up reality shows anyway. Yeah, I know what some schmuck exec might say 'we tried that once and it bombed" Right, I'm a fan and I didn't even know it was on in that night fucktard. Play it from the beginning in a decent time-slot with some promotion/advertising (almost like it's a new show). With the strike going on it's a chance to have some quality programming in Prime-Time, and maybe gain some new fans in the process. Shit, it will at least spike DVD sales and help promote season 4.1! I'd play the show every night until the premiere in April. And just to stay on topic here...give Journeyman another shot too.
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I know I am....
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BW continues, new game shows coming, new reality shows....and something this good gets canned.
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The broadcast networks' trigger happiness when it comes to cancellations stems not only from stronger reliance on ratings than cable, but also from their management policies. It's a revolving door at the top of the broadcast nets, and most executives' bonuses are based on successful shows they've put on the air. So they have a strong incentive to try out a new show rather than sticking with a so-so performer that could eventually grow into a hit.
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I just hope Pushing Daises survives. That show's surface conceals a beautifully deep, dark, cynical place I love.
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I agree with Larry of Arabia!! And I would add , Kristin Chenowith has beautiful boobs!
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Because salary alone is not enough.
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I would imagine today's three Golden Globe nominations puts it in the "safe" category.
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about the system but does absolutely nothing about it. Every season we hear the same thing. This show or that show would have been great if it was just given a chance. Then some exec somewhere wrings his hands and wails is despair until he gets the check in the mail. What a bunch of spineless wimps. Gnats have bigger balls. Next time tell the truth and say you don't give a fuck about any cancellations as long as the cash keeps flowing in.
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Dr. Who has been at it's VERY best this last season- actually stretching the cliche'd "time travel story", but it IS all good, despite the foam rubber aliens, terrible modelling, and sometime HORRIBLE writing- "Schlock" can be entertaining at times and DEFINITELY has it's place. Now if only the BBC could get their acts together and revise Prisoner and Blake's 7 (or something just as space opera-ish)...there would be more great stuff to watch. I tell friends that IF they HAVE to compare Journeyman to something that it's like a few years in one of the Dr's (Pertwee I think...)incarnations when the Timelords "allowed" him to time travel as long as they went where they wanted him to go. One of the points I hope they make in the last 2 eps of Journeyman is that they were TESTING him earlier on and once they were satisfied he would work they (whoever is sending him in time) started putting faith into his instincts as a reporter and are now to the point with him that they are working with him to correct his mistakes (the 2 parter), and even help him smooth out more of his own private life (the latest ep)- plus allow Livia to start a life of her own in her own time period. Just a great show, and an idea that, if left to grow- which it won't- would have been landmark plotting and writing for an American time travel show.
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Feel like I just had the wind kicked the shit out of me. Journeyman was my fracking favorite show this fall. I don't give a frack about what the ratings say about the show, It deserved better than to get canned like that without a little more fracking effort to keep it going. It would have caught on, and became a big hit, no doubt in my mind whatsoever.
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At least according to this link: http://spoilertv.blogspot.com/search/label/Bionic%20Woman
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Before the threat looms large, I urge folks to support Friday Night Lights.
There's still time to keep the bastards from killing all the quality shows out there.
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NBC, you haven't been listening. I said:Kill Bionic Woman, Save JourneyManSee, that fourth word is important. I said SAVE, not kill. S-A-V-E. You guys got the first part right by apparently killing Bionic Woman. Now, I realize you guys are sharp as marbles, so please, SAVE JourneyMan. Thanks.
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Don't worry about Friday Night Lights, if NBC treated it like Journeyman it would have been pulled after the first 3 eps. Really though, "quality" might not be the opperative word here as it's OBVIOUS that some exec in NBC somewhere LOVES this show. Personally, I was NEVER attracted to it, despite what critics might say, shows about high school life, unless they have a HUGE amount of adolescent humor or some over the top fantasy element (like Smallville did during it's high point), are DULL and will NEVER work on entertainment networks (unless they're low budget "reality" shows- those always seem to work no matter how silly). Even shows like Chuck and Reaper, ripe with adolescent humor possibilities (Reaper REALLY succeeds in this- Chuck...well not-so-much) feature leads that are over 21 and able to drink. If you want to see dramas about high school football just visit your local game and sit and listen- believe me it'll be MUCH closer to real life (lol!) plus the fresh air won't hurt either.
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Gotta agree with you about Reaper pulling off the humor elements better than Chuck but have to admit I like both shows (Reaper more so than Chuck)
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I gotta admit, I didn't watch it when it first aired because I was usually in a dour mood due to the lack of good writing on "Heroes", but I downloaded the back episodes two days ago and then tore my way through them. This is good TV.
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I am barely even a casual viewer of *30 Rock* (maybe seen 3 episodes at best) and I watched it last week and they threw in a "lemon party" reference. WTF? What next, a "goatse" reference?
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Forgot about that one...
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Google it. But be warned.
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that's right
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I had two posts to this TB and now they're gone?? WTF??
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This is NOT quantum leap.
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