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UPDATED!!The First 5 Minutes Of AVP: REQUIEM Are Online In Funky Stamp-O-Vision & Don't Completely Suck!!
Merrick again...
There's been some Talkbacking about Brian Tyler's score for AVP: REQUIEM. Thought you might be interested in hearing a track or two of his music for the film.
CLICK HERE to do so.
Look for tracks called "Aliens Vs. Predator" and "Decimation Proclamation"; they're both from the Varese Sarabande score release.
Thanks to Coolness Cool for the heads up.
Enjoy!!!
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Merrick here...
The first 5 minutes of ALIENS VS. PREDATOR: REQUIEM are online in a really teeny format.
Check out Brian Tyler's score. Draws a lot of inspiration from material previously established by both franchises; very cool in my book. Or, is that a temp track?
CLICK HERE TO SEE FOR YOURSELF!!!
Merrick here...
The first 5 minutes of ALIENS VS. PREDATOR: REQUIEM are online in a really teeny format.
Check out Brian Tyler's score. Draws a lot of inspiration from material previously established by both franchises; very cool in my book. Or, is that a temp track?
CLICK HERE TO SEE FOR YOURSELF!!!
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In my 10 years of viewing AICN am I finally first?
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...would have better security in case of accidental Alien ourbreak.
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You got me..yes I'm corny.
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MRJONZ72... today was almost a landmark day for you. But it wasn't.
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Those 1st 3 idiots even read the article?
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quite good.
The score has a nod to the Predator score in there, & it does seem to have tension & will scare people.
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Definitely will see this in theaters to support my friendly and often misunderstood aliens. And to see Predators die, because they're pussies. Father and son sure caught up to the crashed Predator ship fast, though. :)
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How often is it that a sequel rocks more than the original... which in the case of AVP was just plain boring. That reference to the Brothers Quay in the credits was just geektastic!
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Isn't the franchise; it's Pulp Fiction. The Strause Brothers said as much: the Cleaner (their term)is the Predator version of Winston Wolfe. Too bad they can't run with it too far; I'd kill to see two Predators complaining about how they should have brought shotguns, discuss foot massages, decide if their boss really threw Tony Rocky Horror out a window, etc.
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Just hate the crapy quality that yahoo provides
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This is the movie that should have come out in 04, and we should be getting the one in space now.
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Could suck. Might suck. Might be OK. Face huggers invade earth after pissing off the Predators. Hmmmmmmmm....
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i think it looks ok so far. i'm happy to see them showing a bit more (predator home world). i'm planning for the worst an hoping for the best with this movie. after aliens this franchise has taken repeated "turns for the worse." i'll be there on the 18th regardless, because i'm alien-whipped.
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...but that looks cool. Very Dark Horse Comics.
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Dec 11, 2007 2:47:31 PM CST
Predalien blood just happens to land precisely on bomb?
by george newman
allright allright i won't nitpick so soon
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gonna be awesome... ahhh yeah mofo's!
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...small town emo 20-something characters might still kill it dead.
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Months of bitching about how this is going to suck based upon a two minute trailer, and now, based upon a 5 minute sequence, it's the greatest thing since oxygen.
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The nod to the Aliens score in the beginning and the obvious Predator piece at the end of the clip tells you they already have respect for their source material. As to whether or not it'll be any good based on this, that's anybody's guess, but it's off to an interesting start....
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i would've like to have seen a bit more on the predator ship. like a mini-version of the first Alien film
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has nothing to do with this one....right???? hopefully this won't be a total abortion of a film.
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After I teach him improper ways to handle fire arms, I'd give him a lecture on how the damn liberals are trying to take our tools of freedom away!
"Uh oh, a weird looking plane just crashed, c'mon Junior, let's go explore the flaming reckage! Oh GAWD, it's even more disasterous and dangerous than I thought, let me poke it with the butt of my rifle. Okay son, this looks like trickery from the democrats, let's get the hell out of here!" That guy should win father of the year. Too bad his grill just got humped by those facehuggers. That's okay, the Roger Murtaugh version of Predator is coming to deal with this trash, I am sure in alien he just said "RAWK KRAHK KRAHKIET RAWKKHRAW" Which translates, "I'm gettin' too old for this SHIT!" -
Not terrible, but not great. The pacing seems all wrong to me. I'm probably going to wait to see this on video...
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That's it man, those things have got us beat. Game over man... It's all over ...
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I'll reserve judgement till people have seen more than the first 5 minutes.
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Out of known properties, it just comes down to the movie you are making, and what you want it to be. This could be okay, if these so called Strausse bros. decided that they wanted to make a creative, slick, fun movie, instead of just trying to fill in the blanks once you landed an interesting concept. I'm looking at you Paul W.S. Anderson, you piece of trash!
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Dec 11, 2007 2:56:58 PM CST
was ship n earths orbit for days? full grown alien in 10 sec??!!
by george newman
by editing the final AVP shot within the sequence, the suggestion is that the predalien bursts out of the chest and becomes fullgrown in between 00:45 and 00:55
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Vignettes the studio's keep throwing at us. Back in the day if they had offered up the first 5 minutes of Basic Instinct, which is basically a softcore porn scene that turns into a slasher flick, that movie would have made even more money!
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if it was more than ten seconds, that is not how it should be edited
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So we have the hybrid birth, hybrid takeover of the Predator ship, crash landing, facehugger takeover of 2 humans and a homeworld Predator tapping into the down ships computer, seeing what the fucks going on and then kitting up and setting out for Earth......all in the first freaking 5 MINUTES?. I wanted to and will give this film a chance but man that is moving way too fast!. The only good thing with this 5 minutes was the faithful Predator music!.
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Cleaner: "What do you mean a Predalien just popped out of the dead dude's chest?"
Trainee: "Well, it just happened, man. I was working away, and pop! out it came."
Cleaner: "These things don't just happen. Now where are we going to clean this up? This ain't exactly Predatorville." -
You know, more cross-promotional movies that merge two oft loved properties. The options are endless:
Michael Myers vs. Leprachaun for the right to be king of 3rd place slasher villian.
Braveheart vs. Highlander for the right to be officially labeled Greatest Scottish Badass Warrior Ever!
Rambo vs. Rocky, in an ode to the Parent Trap, Sly fills in both roles to see who can be the ultimate American hero! -
Its not easy being cheezy.
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Would you believe it if I told you that I loosely agreed to a Christmas night showing of this flick?Do you think I should go in with a printed copy of that infamous AvP2 script-review Talkback in my jacket pocket? You know, for street-cred?I can just hear those slimely FOX execs now:"Philbrick! Bring me the latest testing figures as well as the profiles on those AintItCool Talkback troublemakers! We'll show those little internet assholes whose boss. On the double now, Philbrick!"One thing is for sure, if I do go see this thing in the theater, I plan on being thoroughly wastehorsted. A bottle of fine single-malt may be calling my name.
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Michael Bay can update that crappy early 90's sci-fi shitfest, and then have them face off with his other techno robot franchise!
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This sequence of events will be presented very differently in the theaters, in terms of pacing.
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Did anyones arm come off in the first one? no. Did anyone die in an interesting or at least sortof violent way in the first one? no. Ok, im good.
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You're a brave man!
Sure, by all means bring that thing with you, but if you should suddenly spot three small glowing dots over the pocket containing the printout, DUCK! -
That scene alone will register big bucks with the inner city kids!.
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Patrick Batemen would basically straight up murder Napolean, he'd also chainsaw Kipp to pieces, and then have a three way with Luffanda and Hillary Duff's sister, Haley? Was it Haley?
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Basically stuff we have scene, but there would be a 45 minute catfight, before Tila finally slashes New Yorks throat with a broken bottle, and then decides she's horny so she violates New York's bleeding corpse.
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fuck this
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Quick question: do you know approximately when the great avp2 script TB took place? I know it's not here anymore, but I'm planning a visit to the wayback machine.
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If I spy three glowing red laser-dots upon my person, I promise you that I will yell out at the top of my lungs:"RUUUNNN!!! GOOOOO!!! GET TO THE CHOPPAAA!!!"Although, tentative plans have already been proposed to do such childish things in the theater anyways...
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Have you ever watched the Sci Fi channel? This actually blows that shit away. Not saying it's amazing, but Tin Man? Are you Fucking kidding me? Sci Fi channel doesn't have a single good program except for Twilight Zone reruns, and I guess BG, though I am not the biggest fan.
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sounds like an ace time.
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Futuristic jumpsuits, weak CGI, and weird alien makeup abound! In the end though, both shows loose when the worm from Dune shows up and eats all of them whole.
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I don't exactly recall. It was certainly within the past year. For some reason, I want to say that it was removed from the site at FOX's request but I'm not sure. I believe TomBodet was a part of that debacle; he may remember further.Best of luck with your wayback machine / replign!
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Yes it was removed, but sometimes waybackmachine.org has some of the old stuff.
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I think for the purposes of this extended clip it's really temp music lifted from the previous Alien/Predator films. I wonder what the score proper will sound like...Not long to wait, I suppose.
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Figured I'd throw this out there, considering the new revelations about the plot of Indy & the Crystal Skull...
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Okay, I know this is going to make me sound like the typical contrarian asshole, but why in God's name are people going ape over this? I thought the concern about this movie was that it would be the same idiotic sell-out pap meant to placate today's text-messaging teeny-boppers with ADHD. Well Jeez, doesn't this clip more or less confirm those fears? Why in God's name are you people loving this? It was all constantly moving camera shots, constant derivitive music, absolutely no tension, etc. I think the person above who said it looked like a Sci-Fi TV movie was referring to the intelligence level they seem to be going for--not the level of special effects or gore. Granted, if those 5 minutes turn out to be highly edited, then this criticism is void. But since most posters (including the enthusiastic ones) seem to be going on the assumption that this is in fact the movie's official cut, my bafflement remains.
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Gotta agree. This looks very made for TV and will still suck shit much like the first one did. I say this bombs really hard. Let's hope.
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How hard is it to make a good AVP movie? Just stick some Aliens, Predators and Colonial Marines on some planet and let them have at it (like the video games). But set it in the future, not on lame present day Earth. God, the studios will produce any crap that has a franchise name attached to it.
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Crazy old Harvey Keitel plays the keys with his nasty wrinkled unit, while Ryan Gosling looks on in horror. He tries to get back at Harvey, by banging Holly Hunter, so Harvey grabs Rachel McAdams, to do her, but she slaps him in his tatooed face "I don't do nudity Mr. Keitel, especially not with the likes of your perverted self!" And thus geekdome is once again thwarted in its attempts to see McAdams sweet sweet ass!
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The effects are laughably bad and cartoony, the acting by the hunters is worse.
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and on the security footage is the predator ship tumbling to earth from the POV of wide open space. Do you think predators have small camera satellites following their ships for just such purposes? Smart guys.
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is this the TB you guys are talking about http://www.aintitcool.com/node/23106
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I wait till the DVD hits.
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They almost NEVER do that, even when they SAY it's the first five minutes. It's always an abbreviated pitch piece. Besides, people piss and moan about movies being "slow". So, make a briskly moving plot, and people still bitch?
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Did it really show that? Damn, that is awful!
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I _knew it!
Again they have a five minute gestation period for an alien from hatching to adulthood. As crappy as Alien3 was, at least it shed and grew with TIME (as in Alien 1). This feels so rushed. Also what's with the horrible soundtrack? -
The Piano is heavier. It could also use its strings as weapons. The Notebook wouldn't have a chance unless it wrote some crazy music in itself and the Piano can't help but play it.
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I saw lots of death and gore so I am there......
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FUL. And did Brian Tyler actually write a score?! Because all I heard was cues lifted directly from the original films and what sounded like a ip off of the Gothic Power track the used on the first LOTR trailer. And what's with daddy predator secretly streaming his sons hunting video then zooming off to give him a bollocking for crashing the family run-about.
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I love Aliens as much as the next guy. But this is weak. What a way to ruin to franchise. Well aliens was ruined half way though number 3. But predator still had legs.
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Yes, I believe that is the very one. Awesome find! Nice job.Wow. I'm starting to think that all the hard work Orcus has done in traveling the archives is starting to pay off. It seems the powers that be have managed to restore some of AICN's better (and more infamous) moments after the great server debacle. There's no telling what other forgotten jems may turn up...
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and if anyone truly is, then their barking up the wrong tree. I mean, it's not like this is going to win some sort of award (maybe a razzie). But fuck me if it isn't fun to waste some hard earned cash on some serious tripe. I would much rather throw my dough away on something that looks like AvP than Saw X: Saw in Space. Plus, reading the comics as a kid, it was always just a cool idea to bring the two beasts together on the big screen. I can just imagine what people would say of studio's if, in their infinite wisdom, decided to make the Superman v Alien picture or Batman v Predator. Those would be really cool, but people would bitch and moan. It reminds of when I saw Blade and I was walking out of the theater and I heard some kid say to his lady friend, "whatever, that was so fake, a vampire that can walk outside during the day?" And I thought, "What the fuck... ever read a comic book?" and "Ever heard of Vampire Hunter D?" Damn.... I have no idea what I am talking about now... I am feeling ill and must lie down.... anyway, i didn't even need 5 minutes of the movie, or a picture of Bob the RastaAlien.... just the thought of another AvP was enough to get me going....
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Hope these are abridged scenes too, cause the pacing felt all wrong.
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Batman gets his ass handed to him by the Pred-guy, and winds up in the hospital. Batman then (finally, if yo ask me)upgrades to full combat body armor and tracks on the Predator on the walls of the highest building in Gotham City. One of Dark Horses' best adaptations.
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lol i remember that shit. classic aicn talkback.
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are you sure? Those tracks were just offered on iTunes for the AVP-R soundtrack. Anyways, Tyler's been golden since Children of Dune.
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In 5 minutes, a whole hell of alot happens... Stuff that should be longer and more involved scenes: a) The alien grows full term in, like, 4 seconds, b) the alien overtakes a predator ship with 1...ONE...shot fired, c) WE FINALLY SEE THE HOMEWORLD OF EITHER AN ALIEN OR PREDATOR SPECIES!!!!....for 10 seconds, seriously? Anyways - my only gripes, can't wait to see it though.
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obviously those 5 minutes will actually be closer to 10 or 12 in the theaters...although I admit that seeing a movie begin at such a frantic pace is kinda fun...
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taken from Aliens, Predator and Alien Resurrection...although, Brian Tylers score is sure to be good
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I was thinking the exact same thing. I can't stand when movies have what's supposed to be security cam footage and they use the POV of the freaking movie!Also, didn't the brothers Strause say they weren't making a continuation of the first AVP and that they were doing their own thing? Obviously that didn't happen but I remember them saying it.
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Yup, temp score. The music was from Alien Resurrection and Alien 3 and both Predators.
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I thought they were advertising that this wasn't a shitty PG-13 movie but a completely awful R-rated one. I seriously thought that's what it was for. It doesn't help that in the trailer when they say "Rated R" the screen dissolved into the AVP R logo.
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Crow's script will see the light of day mark my words!!!!!!
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I don't know what everyone is bitching about. PvA isn't atmospheric and slow paced like the original Alien. Hell, read the original graphic novel. It's no masterpiece, and is about aliens fighting predators with people in the middle. That's what this looks like. At least it's rated R. The effects look fine. Of course, I know that most people on this site don't think a good scifi movie has been made since the original Star Wars.
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As has been said, this is a truncated clip. It would make sense to me that all this action would be intercut with character scenes of the people in the small town (i.e. Reiko coming home from Iraq, etc.).In addition to this being a truncated clip, the aliens in the first AVP grew at such a lightning quick pace, it would fit if the predalien grew at the same rate.Not that it's smart to use that logic but by tying themselves to the first one they don't really have a choice.
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yip others have noticed. anyone that thinks this isnt truncated has no business being on a movie site
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...made for tykes who think that "Alien 1 was dope for, like, the '50's or whenever, but you gotta come up with some bangin' shit to make your movie -- like -- cool to more sophistimacated audiences in the oh-seven..." Remember pacing and subtletly? This thing is basically just here for people to see that they aren't afraid to kill kids in this movie, which -- apparently -- is shorthand for "we are badasses."
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You feed in the data, i.e: statistics on all you American hicks going to see Fantastic Five and whatnot and low and behold the computer spits out the what it thinks the 'people' wanna see for the next 20 years. And it's music to the Exec's ears. "They wanna see effects heavy action movies Bill!"
"Ok John, let's give 'em what they want, we'll make millions!"
And so, the 'Company' hands over a huge budget to some no talent ass-clown from film-school. God help us P.T.A! -
Dec 11, 2007 4:36:03 PM CST
*laughs at people saying 'music sounds like cues from blah blah.
by performingmonkey
That's because IT FUCKING IS. Temp score. The real music will suck harder than a Prom Queen at an all-male school.
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Preach it Brother!
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"I like griping."Good reference, cameron.
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it's not just cinema corrupted with the Whore of Money. It's the whole dying planet. (our planet, not some sci-fi pretend) WE are the strangest of all sci-fi. WE are original. unlike Fox and the rest of the Hollywhores and Politians. RANTTTTTT
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Dec 11, 2007 4:39:53 PM CST
WILL HELEN HUNT BE IN AN WET ACID COVERED T-SHIRT LATER IN THIS
by spearsi
IT'S SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GAY.
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the 40 year olds of yesteryear. No respect.
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It's a shame. Alien and Predator were great characters and the 20th Century assholes are squandering them. Like the pricks who thought The Justice League of America was a good idea. Al Quaeda have a point you know. You just gotta figure out what it is.
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Just strikes me as odd that they would use a temp score when Tyler's score is complete. Strange.
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...that's the first five minutes; more like a summary of the first ten to fifteen. Hopefully. Because if the whole film moves at that speed, it will suck.
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aren't from the flashies POV.
I understand if the narrator is going back in time in a storytelling sort of way. But when a character has a personal flashback and they see things from outside their skull it bothers me.
As does this security footage.
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Yet it is so easy to fuck up all this eager anticipation. I'll be the first in line XMas day, though.
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What the hell are you talkin' about?
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That's a pretty good explanation of it. It would make more sense just to have a big blue dot and a little red dot and the little red dot moves closer to the big blue dot until it disappears.I want to say that people would figure out what that meant but with today's kiddies I'm not so sure.
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And relating it to other films with bad flashback POVs.
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The Computer's prediction for how long it would take for the alien virus to contaminate every living organism in John Carpenter's The Thing?
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But tha worm from DUNE will eat them all whole, so its okay I guess.
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nailbiting cinema.
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SkeletonParty's talking about movies in general that use the audience's POV as a character's POV.Earlier in the TB, he noted that the Predator on the Pred Homeworld had footage of the ship crash landing from the POV of open space that we saw earlier.
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That's what C.H.U.D. is reporting today. I also hate remakes but this just might be cool. Hey speaking of cool, I thought this site had cool news like this. What has happened Harry? With gross gramatical errors, misspellings and bad reviews by the staff here lately, I think I'm just going to have to stay here and bitch about it some more. Keep suckin' guys! I'm not going anywhere.
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As anyone with any sense can work out (and several people have pointed out already), this is not the first five minutes of the film but a quick five minute summary of the early parts of the film, and the music in it has nothing to do with Brian Tyler (whose Children of Dune score was indeed great), but is a temp piece made of music from the previous films as well as 'Gothic Power' by Christopher Fields (?) and used in the first LOTR trailer years back.
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Hold the freakin phone. So they let Dan O' Bannon and Ronald Shusett... the writers of the ORIGINAL ALIEN to give a go at the script?! Or are they just given credit for the original characters from ALIEN. SOMEONE PLEASE CLEAR THIS UP!
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You sure indicted us hick American's pretty fast, for a lot of bullshit. But where the hell are you from? Cause the last time I checked, Paul W.S. Anderson and Uwe Boll are from the other side of the pond. I don't care where you come from, the world over, shit is pushed out everyday, so take it easy on putting all the crap (in terms of bad films) on us yanks.
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my word that DocPazazu makes me laugh. Philbrick is now a permanent member of my psyche.
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I just automatically assume it's some high-tech wizardy like nano cameras floating around the spaceship to send a footage of emergency to the "authorities" if communication from the ship fails. It being a mistake never comes to my mind - when it's obviously a giant fucking mistake. It's just wierd the way my brain works when I watch movies, I always fill the holes somehow.
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I think this was a story three weeks ago, but I have to say, way to do the expected thing there Burton! Jeez, everything this guy does just seems to be a retread of something he did before. "Okay, we start in a spooky forest, a gothic looking Johnny Depp is there and then..." As much as I thought they were crap, at least Mars Attacks and Planet of the Apes seemed like somewhat of a departure for him. After that it's all been pretty much the same. My prediction: Depp plays all the parts, he is Alice, The Rabbit, Tweedledum and Tweedledee, Mad Hatter, Chesire Cat, and of course The Queen! It will be the single most exhausting shoot of his life, he will go nearly crazy aftwards, the Oscar folk will praise him and want to give him an award but in the end he loses it out to Shia LeBeouf and Dame Judy Dench in the best Actress and Actor awards (in that order) since he was playing both female and male roles.
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Sigourney Weaver hated the idea. She also hated the idea of setting an Alien film on Earth. And that is why we got subjected to Alien Resurrection.
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He mostly does the same film...mostly
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J.J. better not skimp on dot footage.Range: 1,000 qellicams!
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Exactly like AVP1 and Aliens 3 & 4. I think it looks pretty shlocky, like something you'd see on the sci-fi channel but with better special effects.
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cause it moved wayyy too fast. but it was good.
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What can never be rationalized in any way is the report that the Predalien reproduces by vomiting an embryo into a host's mouth. That doesn't jive at all.
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Dec 11, 2007 5:31:29 PM CST
We should collect all the dot footage from film history
by skeletonparty
that would make one helluva dotumentary.
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The original Alien movies don't mean a thing?
Ripley did all that hard work to keep them from getting here, but she was a hundred years too late.
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I think you know what I was going for though.
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They were all set to do Alien 5 with Ridley Scott right before they decided on AvP with Anderson instead.
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Of course, I screwed it up with the semicolon.
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How'd you do that?(Ya know, for future reference)
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it is html for non-breaking space. copy and paste five of them for five spaces, four for four, and so on.
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I'm glad you're here to tell us these things.
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Finally got the html, now I'm just a bad typist.
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have their masks floating around in space to record their ships crashing, friendo.
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This is definitely a temp music track. I recognized a bit from Alien Resurrection. I am going to have to start watching the Alien movies again on DVD. Except AvP. Terrible movie. Terrible. Did not happen, you hear? DID NOT HAPPEN!
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The footage from inside the ship was fine because it was from the Predator's mask. But the shot of the ship crashing to Earth should only exist to the viewer, not inside that AVP universe.(I have a similiar gripe from the first AVP where the ship is in the Antarctic and the subtitle said 'Destination: Classified'. I can't stand that either. You can tell us where the ship's going! We're not going to tell anybody!)
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I think that is the question that Skeleton is asking? I agree, it didn't make sense.
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to monitor Earth? Couldn't they just rely on the Predators that are already on the surface or orbiting Earth?The point is there are more plausible ways to show a break in communication between the Homeworld and the ship than by using footage that was previously presented to us as a shot in a movie.
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the scope is zooming in on a ship that has already crashed.
finally it witnesses a crash that has already happened. How did the scope get that information? Where was the camera or mask that recorded the crash externally from the ship?
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To like this movie, but the full grown pred alien knocks the alien series. I disliked it when they did it in the first one and I dislikee it here.
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Because the Predators are in it. Predators are the antithesis or whatever to the Aliens...they can stop them...and they are on Earth in this movie to stop the Aliens. In the original Alien movie there are no Predators around or known to Ripley, which means the Alien must not land on Earth.
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As we're watching the ship crash real time, insert a brief shot of a satellite/camera in space watching it unfold.
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And maybe since we're watching a truncated five minutes they'll have something like that.
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Hair of the Dog by Nazareth.
NOW YOU'RE MESSING WITH A
SON OF A BITCH
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But, yeah, KV's idea is sound as long as they show it.It's like in Bond movies. If Bond gets in a jam and fires a stinger missile from his car it would be absurd. You need that scene with Q telling him he has a stinger missile to make that later scene work.Show us the Pred space cam, then show us the footage. You can't show us footage and then tell us, "Oh yeah, they had a space cam right there."
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In ship shots are supplied via ship cameras or masks. External shots are not actual video but are computer created 3D modeled CG shots. Simple, eh?
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Aliens on earth negates everything that the original series stood for, i.e. keeping Aliens off earth. Ripley and dozens more died to make sure of that.
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That's also logical. SkeletonParty said something similiar earlier too.I think we've offically put more thought into this scene than Shane Solerno.
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This will be fuckin astounding. See if it won't! See! And then for the love of God pretend that it was anyway for I've enough to worry about. mondoirlando.com/aliens_vs_predator.html
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But it would be odd that the Predator's Homeworld Extrapolator came up with the same exact footage POV that we saw earlier.
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The music isn't original, it's a combination of ALIENS & ALIEN RESURRECTION for starters. I highly doubt it's what you'll be hearing in the theater. No one caught this?
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I would think not, but there are so many intelligent species out there that are fascinated by this particular speices that they take the risk of carrying them on their own ships.That it's backfired every time hasn't seemed to deter anybody.
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I don't have a ship but I like to keep an alien in my basement. It's fun to taunt when friends come over. Also, it's great for getting a date to jump in my arms when he (she? it?) jumps at the glass.
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You have to have a source for the shot. You tell me the Predator has a super zoom camera in his office that records the goings on of ships in space, I say great. But show me the camera at some point to justify it.
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In fact, as SP said earlier, the fact that Predators don't just use Earth for hunting retreats but that they actually have a satellite system that use to monitor us THAT closely adds to the creepiness.I like this TB and I value everyone that posts on it!
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In fact, as SP said earlier, the fact that Predators don't just use Earth for hunting retreats but that they actually have a satellite system that use to monitor us THAT closely adds to the creepiness.I like this TB and I value everyone that posts on it!
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Makes sense, but it still has to be shown for continuity. Think about it: these Earth-hunts are the Predator's version of the NHL. There are going to be *all kinds* of recording devices to monitor the game, just like in American Football. I myself prefer Women's Beach Volleyball. No one ever asks why are there so many guys with so many cameras.
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I don't value those...
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Apart from the rapid growth hybrid (but alien maturity has been speeding up since the third movie anyway)
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This IS the music you will be hearing in the movie. Cut up little bits from all the Alien and Predator scores. Based on the first five minutes, Brian Tyler's score has been largely rejected.
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I noticed that the second time I watched it. I'm kind of glad actually. The less it has in common with the physiology of the original creature, the more we can dismiss it as not canon.And the opening shot of the chestburster and the next shot of the full grown will have a lot in between.Reiko coming home from Iraq, the young lovers courting, the sheriff of the small town talking about how being a sheriff in a small town is boring and how he wouldn't mind a little action. Ya know, the usual B-monster movie stuff.
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...Nah, I don't really believe that. I'll reserve judgement. I just wanted to say dookiefest.
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you can peel its exoskeleton off in whole chunks. But you've got to soak it in a big glass of dookiefest.
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C'mon people, this movie looks cheesy as fuck; something straight off Sci Fi.
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you know all of you will go watch the damn thing for the simple fact the originals were good and you are hold out some shred of hope for these to blow you away also....just like the first hit of crack...fucking awesome, even though you never get that same feeling again they keep going back for more........
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"Dookiefest, Captain!"I'm going to bust up laughing whenever I see dot footage now.And JestaFool, I'm going to buy a ticket to There Will Be Blood, see There Will Be Blood and then sneak into AVP.Then maybe I'll have to buy another ticket for There Will Be Blood and see it again to get the bad taste out of my mouth.Three movies for the price of two and TWBB gets all my money!
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Not great, but not bad.
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fuck I hate that stupid fucking bullshit youtube-wannabe flash movie crap! doesn't fucking buffer properly - was this "developed" by Microsoft or something?? either youtube it or pay the fucking money and quicktime it - DICKHEADS!!!!
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...at least it's rated R. I was gonna be _pissed_ if that kid didn't eat it after getting surrounded by face-huggers, so thank God for that. Still hate the stupid "hybrid" idea. Maybe it died in the crash? Please?
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I would say everyone that died in the 3rd act of Alien 3 died to prevent the Company from getting the alien. They knew the Company was coming, they could have waited it out like 85 did. Same with the survivors of the initial hive attack in Aliens. They were going to nuke the facility to prevent anyone from getting to them.Besides Ash, Burke and all the officers in A:R who else actively pursued aliens for human services?
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I remember a scene towards the end of the fourth one, when they're nowhere near the whales and, at Kirk's command, they bring up pictures of them "on screen" and the girl is like "you can do that??" - I seem to remember they implied that it was rendered and not actually photographed by a camera, per se...
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I say we take off, nuke the site from orbit - it's the only way to be sure!
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go see it! I'll be there the friday after Christmas. I'm so happy I can get excited about an Alien film again. It aint perfect, but it's already better than AVP 1.
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Probably not so much as cracking it open like a coconut...maybe more like a watermelon....
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yes i am thinking about this.
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Unlike AvP 1 where all we got was PG-13 sheer lameness with the Predators looking like retards and the Alien queen (as designed by Jim Cameron) running around at the end like the Jurassic Park T-Rex's sister. I'm sold on this first 5 minutes (and yes it WILL be 5 minutes, none of the main cast are in it so it's hardly gonna be the first 15min of a, what, 100min movie)
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They've moved the release date to Jan. 18, so now all us nerds get a monstrous showdown between "Cloverfield" and "AVP." Hooray!
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Your rationale is: This IS the first 5 minutes because.....None of the main cast are in it. So it's not the first 15 minutes? You don't, kind, perhaps, maybe reckon that's because if you add in ten minutes of bits with the main cast to these five minutes, you'd get the first 15 minutes of a, what, 100 min movie?
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umm no
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...Nah, I don't really believe that. I'll reserve judgement. I just wanted to say poopmonkey.
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Because they always show stuff like people getting their arms melted off by acid. I can't believe they can get away with a kid being attack by a monster that throat fucks you on tv (because that is what it is). Screw watching hard R movies in the theater when all need is basic cable, god damn it.
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you had me laughing with the "soaking an alien"comment.
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thanks - and - I totally wasnt even interested in the first avp - this actually might be worth a look
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Excellent. An ol' timey baseball reference. Is there an Addie Joss poster too? How about Nap Lajoie? Can he be found in these parts?
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The same one that shoots flares on zeppelins?
That drops cigarettes down Port-a-Potties?
Preds are supposed to pride themselves on warrior skills, and yet he fires instead of hand-to-hands? Too convenient a plot device.
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The worst part of this clip is the way the guy's arm falls clean off, as though it was cut. If an acid liquid splattered n the guy, the arm wouldn't just fall off cleanly, as though cut with a lightsaber (that's what it looks like, some George Lucas-ass lightsaber arm chopping). The acid would eat the arm in a messy, random way, and the stump / limb would look a lot less cleanly cut. And also, we're supposed to believe that this guy just stands there and whines a little while his arm is being eaten off by acid? He barely seems to notice. Sorry, this one scene undoes all of the other potential coolness in this clip. If really bad stuff like this is going to be let into this movie, then it is doomed already.
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Dec 11, 2007 9:53:33 PM CST
When the Predator takes the weapons from the wall they should ad
by mace tofu
"I'm getting too old for this shit " before he gets into the ship. As for the "cameras" watching earth I'm sure they have the whole planet bugged because you don't want to come back for a hunt and find out the humans spent the whole time getting ready to kill you. Predators are not perfect, even Danny Glover fought one off. I'm sure that fight was erased from the records back on the P home world. This Predator is going to earth to cover up the ship crashing. If he's smart he will just nuke the site from orbit lol. This 5 min looks better than the 5 from The Golden C.
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At least that's what this link claims:
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I think you can add the kid's non-reaction to that too. He just sorta stands there and watches. When I was 8, if I saw my dad's arm fall off I would scream so loud I threw up.
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In "Aliens", they were going to nuke the facility from orbit, but then the pilot is attacked by an alien and the drop ship crashes into the facility's processing station. The station is damaged, becoming unstable, and ultimately goes nuclear. But yeah, they were going to get the fuck out of there.
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oh wait.. it was just me.
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Maybe my Aliens knowledge is deficient but I remember the station becoming unstable because Vazquez and Drake fired armor piercing rounds while they were under the primary heat exchangers thus rupturing the cooling towers.Either way, you're right that the facility went nuclear because of an internal thing. But my point was that the plan, after that initial attack, once everyone knew what they were up against, agreed (except Burke of course) that the aliens needed to die so no one got to them.
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And my point was to Mandalorian who said that more people in the series had tried to bring the aliens back than had tried to wipe them out which I disagreed with. I think we can agree that more people were on the side of wiping them out then on the side studying/weaponizing them.
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Will you alert me if you find the Great AvP Script Talkback? Those were good times.
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The look is spot on, and the kid getting it was a pleasant surprise... but jesus tapdancing lopez, that fucking saturday morning cartoon music is going to ruin the entire goddamn movie. Every moment of that otherwise promising preview was fucked up by that absolute shit soundtrack.
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Someone send these fuckers a copy of PREDATOR. That thing was fucking scary. What is this shit?
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Dec 11, 2007 10:26:03 PM CST
how did the home world predator have video of the ship falling i
by jubba
how did the home world predator have video of the ship that fell to Earth? that didn't really make sense
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Thanks for the laugh
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BUT, is it really a smart idea to go alone to a planet now infested with aliens? even for a macho predator with all his trophies...i wonder if one of the skulls was an ET...ET was in star wars, so why not here?!
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It's a brutally long TB now but we had a pretty decent discussion of the security video. SkeletonKey started it off at 3:41:01. There are quite a few posts after that in the TB specifically about that.
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if he had an ET skull. Not that there's that much sense of victory for a Pred who killed an ET but, hey, it'd be funny.And since ET and SW are linked, like you said, and Indiana Jones and Close Encounters are linked now, why not just dump them all in the same pot and see what comes out.A dookiefest, that's what. =)
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The wind from the burst of me running to the theater will knock over the christmas tree when I go to see this naughty little joseph of a movie.
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It's from the previous moves. And great. The movie soundtrack most likely will not be. Also, I remember seeing a pic of the PSP game that had a Predator and an Alien fighting on a basketball court. I bet the Preds straight up ballin.
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true it might not be too rewarding to hunt ET and take his skull...but what if the ET we saw in the movie had amnesia and forgot that his glowing red finger is really a super weapon?! the whole race of ETs could be much more violent and put put a good fight for the predators...but they don't run too fast...but put 'em in a basket and they'll fly around you, evading your weapons...plus they also have camouflage - they are able to blend in with surrounding plush toys...they might put up a good hunt after all
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don't look like Predators but are actually ETs and this one Predator just beat his wife to death and thought, hey, might as well take her skull.A popcorn action movie that actually has a good message to say about domestic violence and its benefits.
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You're spot on about the smart guns rupturing the primary heat exchangers, however the drop ship crash increased the damage to the reactor, thereby decreasing the amount of time until adios muchachos.
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Ah, so everybody's right! Well done!
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Is running away from the Predator, he clambers up a rock, the Predator swipes at him, misses, and Arnie gives him a back-hander to the face - actually punches the face/make up of Kevin Peter Hall. That's what I want to see, believable contact/interaction between a human and a movie monster. Somehow, with the ridiculous speedy Alien life cycle, and constantly elongating Predator faces, (and let's not mention the predalien bullshit), I doubt that we'll see too much that we really like. I miss the old days.
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...on i-am-bored.com... How come AICN hasn't picked this up yet?...
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supports my earlier theory http://tinyurl.com/2dwd2f
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Dec 11, 2007 11:38:22 PM CST
Maybe there could be a predator wearing an ewok skin cap too
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An E.T. skull would make me laugh and feel sad at the same time. Strange feeling.
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Nothing would get more cheers than a mounted JarJar Binks skull...is there a way you could tell if one of the "human" skulls in fact belonged to a certain Kryptonian? Hmmm......
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We paid to see AvP and it sucked. They got our money. Then, when a sequel comes out you show your disdain by not seeing it. It's payback. This is how you teach them. The only way they'll learn is if you vote with your dollar. Do not see this film. Anyone who pays to see this is a traitor to good movies and simply doesn't deserve a good Alien or Predator movie.
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Like SPACEBALLS. duh.
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Further to Verns' Predator theory, I too have much time on my hands. ... Regarding the boring Predator world, I would conclude the species would not be called "predators" (that's the equivalent of calling humans "builders") but would probably be something flimsy and scientific. For the sake of labels, I shall refer to them as 'Stanleys' from here on out.That said, I would like to put fourth my theory of an ecological tornado like Geigers' Alien species and how it could possibly coexist with its' food source and survive without killing itself out house and home.I believe that the Aliens' home moon must be inhabited almost entirely by billions of flying moon krill who reside almost year long (a year on this moon would be 4 days) in the high altitude, feeding on the light debris that is blown into the atmosphere by the high winds common on their small moon.The Aliens, not so long ago, used to resemble something closer to a hairless ALF, however, their volatile DNA structure has meant that years of integration with moon krill DNA has evolved them into the recognisable forms we know today (egg laying, black and blind. Although most specialists hypothesise that the blindness probably equates to generations of moon krill flying into their eyes during hunting...).Most of the time, food is usually just as easy as climbing to 40,000 feet (although it takes 2 years to get there and is the reason for the long claws and agility) and opening ones mouth where the thick cloud of moon krill simply fly in.
In the summer day of the year, an Alien can eat enough food to last him 8 years!During the winter day, the Alien must use his sharp teeth, mini-mouth and cunning to feast off the masses of moon krill found frozen to the mountain rock.In the Spring day of the year, the Krill descend en mass to the vast plains to feast on freshly fallen Autmun dust, attracting an Alien free-for-all. It's a spectacular event that entertains hundreds of tourists every year for what has become known as "The Krilling Floor" and is the main income of the Stanley tourist trade.The Stanleys' first stumbled upon this deadly moon in the turn of Earths 17th century and, soon, factions decided to hunt them for their pleasure. Alien activists protested this complete disregard for this perfect ecological wonderment and thus pass laws to ban all hunting of the Tearitongers (the name the Stanleys gave to the Aliens).Determined to hunt the deadliest creature known to Stankind, a few rogue crouponaires went on a 2 year mission and captured 14 Tearitongers & one queen and transported them to international 'waters', Earth, where they like to fight them on occasion without the Earthmen being any wiser. The ingenious cover up plan if all goes to hell (which it frequently does) is to detonate a small nuclear weapon over the crime scene. This receives little-to-no press due to Stanleys occupying high level political seats in all countries (except Micronesia where there are no seats). -
Dec 12, 2007 12:34:15 AM CST
Should've had a Predator Lassie instead of a telescope..
by burnhollywood
"What's that girl? One of our ships? It crashed? On Earth? C'mon girl, let's go...good girl! Show me where the spaceship crashed! Goo-ood girl!"
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Is it true? Did you actually find that TB? If so, please tell me you saved it because it's gone again!
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Yeah, what the hell, right? I mean, when people make up their minds based on nothing, they should stick to it regardless of what information comes their way, just like The Shrub. Otherwise they'd be flip-floppers, and nobody wants that.[/sarcasm]
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Colin said that this clip has been edited down and is missing some scenes. Anyway, I REALLY like what I see. Everything looks GREAT!! The sound fx/music are obviously not final. Can't wait to see this film!!
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Actually the Hollywood suits would just use that to make sure every upcoming genre movie will be PG-13. You see AvP was PG-13 and made a mint, and AvP2 was rated R and tanked, ergo make everything PG-13. So it's just a lose/lose situation. SWEETNESS
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Has anyone read it? The one where it occurs on a desert planet... feeling like true sci fi action, on another planet, not this silly "On Earth" nonsense.
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what are you guys talking about? thats the best predator face ive seen so far...im going to have to rewatch part one..i cant remember the predators faces ever not being elongated.
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So what if he borrows off of Silvestri and Horner? He does so in high-class fashion, which is A-OK in my book. Looking forward to seeing this movie for the score alone.
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That took some serious forethought and turned out to be very funny. But still, WTF? Hairless Alf's, Stanleys, Micronesia, Krilling Floor...that covered a lot of ground. Anyway, as much as it would be cool to see the creators of the aliens using them as macrobiological weapons for ship to ship warfare, etc., the focus would shift and I say keep the mystery in.
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Was it just me, or did a young Shawn Spencer just get face raped?
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Thank you, I do believe that is it.
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Never mind ;)
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Do yourself a favor and save it because it will vanish as soon as the powers that be realize it has escaped from the Banning Phantom Zone.
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is that you either skip all the stuff that makes the Aliens Aliens (facehuggers, chestbursters, etc.), or you waste a lot of movie going through stuff everybody in the audience already knows about. Or, I suppose, you try to add something new, like in the Fincher Alien, and you get nailed for messing with an established good thing. The problem with Predators, of course, is that they've never really been convincing as either monsters or aliens. They look (and sorta act) like big, aggressive humans. Not particularly otherworldly.
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brilliant talkback, that.
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It was one of the most entertaining and cathartic moments ever on AICN.
Unfortunately, while scanning through it I noticed that it seems truncated, with posts and parts of posts missing. Perhaps a result of escaping the Banning Zone?
Oh well, beggars can't be choosers I suppose.
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if they had a grand army of Gungans to fight for them as they retook the palace.
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Feels good to have all that vitriol sitting in my hard drive. Damn, we really ripped that thing a new one.
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The ill-news-bearing Fox intern!
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Good times, good times...
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heh, he's cropped up in other TBs as well, not least of all in your and MNG's capable hands in an X3 talkback. He was also spotted in the Dolemite remake and Vern's immortal "Don't be Ellis" TB, if memory serves.
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than there's no time for building suspense - it'll "only" be a fast paced action flick.But I still hope that it won't suck as much as ALIEN 4 and AVP did. It's about time we get a decent Alien flick.Btw, I liked that the kid got fracked by that facehugger, too :-)
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He has multiple studio experience, but is still the lackey for the big suits:-)
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not bad, not bad at all. I hope they don't "quick" cut everything like they did with the action scenes... everything felt too quick with no built-up. I was glad that father and son duo got suckered, I really want this movie to be about Aliens and predators not a bunch of humans (I hope all the "leading" human roles all die in the end). If they have more shots of the predator home world and make the movie more "murky" like the original 2 predator movies it would be really good. Problem with the AvP movies, especially with the amount of stuff you can view through the internet these days, is that nothing looks surprising anymore. AvP feels more like a comedy because you already know what everything looks like, there is minimal suspense, so they really got to surprise us with some new stuff to win us over.
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Dec 12, 2007 3:10:17 AM CST
That's Tyler's score, he's referencing aspects of the series mus
by killakane
He was interviewed recently about this and Rambo 4, he's super deferential to all the composers who've preceded him, he's a decent guy, I'm looking forward to hearing his full score for AVP2 and obviously his Rambo 4 work. Hoping he's managed to integrate Goldsmith's themes and remain true to the Rambo style.
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and the outbreak of plants: This time it's sith_rising who posts exactly like one-time poster Lord Skyliss did. Fuck off with your weak "we must support R rated films" shite- go and tell your soulless whoremasters at Fox that we'll support them when you give us something to support. And in this case that means a Neil Marshall Alien (with no predators) 5. No amount of phony plant-y attempting to build a buzz will make up for drivel.
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It looks light years better than the first one. and full marks for acing the kid.
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I thought the bits of the melding of the Aliens and Predator scores was brilliant.
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They are all bred in tubes deep underground and farmed out to the studios when of age. The reason they are all called Philbrick is that it is their model number (as when people say "I drive a ford") because the soulless execs fear becoming too attached to their disposable minions.
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1) yes, really why would the security cameras pick up a view FROM outer space outside of the ship of the crashing vessel? Makes no sense unless it's satellites but that's too much.
2) the predator's homeworld looks dead... feels like there's just one dude sitting in some chair in a lonely planet, make it more lovely, show us some female predators playing with their kids
3) make the movie darker, i don't need to see an alien or a predator in full view, tease us a little, but keep the movie going
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I never saw the first AvP purely based on the reviews it was getting and more importantly the trailers that I saw. The effects looked like they were done in Gif Animator. However, I must say that this movie (requiem) even with the retarded title is at least looking like fun.
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and, unsurprisingy we made fuck all difference. Yay. All power to the internet.
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"Well, sir, leaking that montage of the first 15 mins seems to be winning them over" "Never mind that shit, send out the plants" "But sir, they seem to be wise to the plants" "PHILBRICK, you cocksucker, send out the plants or you'll never eat lunch in this town again" "Yes sir, Plants deployed" "Now, BRING ME THE BOREWORMS. I'll teach you not to question me""No sir, not the boreworms, please, anything but the boreworms. AAAAARRRGGGGHHHH" "Jenkins, call the intern farm, Philbrick just croaked".
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...end this movie with a predator ship floating in space with one egg in it...im cool with it. It would fit for those hundred years ripley knocks on the door. Yall know this is going to suck....again..but we will watch it anyway so...fuck this. AvP was a "Man in f´n suit" flick...horrible...but we all watched it. But what do i know.
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So now we go from alien chestburster to alien running around a ship in less time than it takes to break orbit and predators so dumb they shoot holes in the side of their spaceship!
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Fogot to mention that we've also gone from fairly realistic version of space in Alien (journeys of many months/years in hypersleep) to the fact that 'somehow' a predator can view activity that took place only hours previously in orbit around Earth (and conviently from same angle as previous shots of that activity)!
This ain't science fiction. This is shit with gore made to make money. Alien was art, Predator was great movie, Aliens was classic movie with some art and Predator 2 was actually okay but this looks like the dumb, uneducated shit you get when you try and stretch making money out of something original too far and don't give a damn about anything else... Jeez, if that Predator ship he(she?) jumps in at the end of the clip is fast maybe they can get to Earth, sort out the problem and make it back in time for tea... -
He should be here reveaing his hardon for this. If I have banished him, then I award myself a gold star.
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Hollywood keeps a magic top hat full of "awesome" words. When they need a stupid appendage or a catchy two word title they go to the hat and just draw them out- hence "Basic Instinct", "Jagged Edge", "The Bourne UltimatuM"The hat must be running a bit low now- Requiem. I wouldn't be surprised to see AvP3: Monkey as the next one.
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The alien is a parasite and simply uses other organisms for incubation, they don't actually mate. Its not like the original chest-burster was half-Alien, half-John Hurt. The only way this could be would be if that Predator had sucked another Predator's dick, and the Predator semen fertilized the developing Alien embryo in his belly, thereby creating the Alien-Predator hybrid. So for the sake of logic, the Predators better be giving each other hummers in this movie, or I'll demand a refund from theatre management. I will.
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That "top hat" theory seems very plausible, but bear in mind that "The Bourne Ultimatum" has the same name as the source novel, which was published years ago.
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...check out talkbacker "theredtoad" in the previous AvP2 TB.
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masterpiece! It's gonna suck big time but I'm gonna see anyways :)
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I stopped watching after the kid and dad come up to the wreck, and don't really react. So they just see a huge fireball descend from the sky. They are not frightened because that would distract the viewer. An interesting assumption the characters could make would hav been if they thought it was an airplane and call on the ol cellphone for help. However, since this a merely a vehicle to set up a video game, it's not important to portray characters realistically or with any depth.
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It was more "Ultimatum" that is the cool word plucked out of the hat.
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The film clearly blows goats so fox has clearly sent out a whole army of foilage in an attempt to limit the damage. Typing triffids polluting the boards with their shitty "Give it a chance" cries. But they wilt when confronted with the mighty weedwhacker of truth: IT'S SET IN PRESENT DAY TEXAS IN FUCKING KMART. IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW "HARD R" IT IS. THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE.
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I was definitely a bit disappointed by the lack of any sort of plausible reaction from the father & his son. Reaction is crucial to believability and suspension of belief. I love the idea of casting unknowns, I do, but the acting has to be there. If a strange ship crash -landed nearby where I was, I may be inclined to see it, but I would be completely terrified in the process. That's the plausible reaction. I'm giving the brothers strause time however, to see if this film is actually worth any thing.
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You know it won't be wimpy when a child is put in peril. I mean, right there, you know that kid is as good as dead. Nice to see the Strauss brothers don't give a shit. This surely won't be the timeless experience "Megaforce" was, but it'll be a fun way to kill two hours.
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of the Predator headquarters. Mesa good likey! All dem Gungans knowsa dem Croc-faces muey muey bad news!
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Dec 12, 2007 8:14:28 AM CST
According to Colin Strause, this is a butchered clip with temp m
by lord_soth
Man, you just cannot underestimate studio execs...
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Nice cropping, Harry! :P
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Really, this film isn't much more than a remake for all intents and purposes and unlike "The Ring", it's not going to work.
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I don't think it's possible to get another good "Alien" movie. The cool thing about the first two is that you don't see the aliens very often. Suspense builds, along with a little character exposition. In the first "AvP" movie, there's so many aliens and you see 'em so often that they're just generic threats, if that makes sense. So much so that the only way to make any of 'em stick out was to give one a signature battle wound--the "webhead" alien.
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Dec 12, 2007 8:35:09 AM CST
was that a five minute super fast montage from the start of the
by filmfunk
because if it's the latter then it's already hurtling along at breakneck speed and in danger of being unable to keep the pace for the entire running time!Looks the dogs nuts though which is a nice surprise and the dad and kid getting it is encouraging!
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read the GOOD AvP script that was online... ohh 4 years ago. Dealing with predators having an alien queen pooping eggs onto planets to make hunting grounds? The main predator was listed as "broken Tusk." i don't remember much beyond that... just that it was an amazing script that had space marines landing to kick ass.
the ending was questionable with the female lead leaving with the predators instead of the marines..(whats the deal with that crap these days?) anyway, i wish they made that one. I was so pissed off at Paul "everything i touch turns to shit" W.S. Andersons AvP with how the predators dropped so easily. That's bull pies. What a shitty movie. That guy almost single handedly destroyed the franchise. -
It's nothing but a pale shadow of the original.
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It just takes a bit of imagination. Which these fuckers don't have.
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I read that script. The writer's grasp of screenplay formatting was atrocious, but the movie itself was bad ass. I think his lead female character was asian, right? Anyway, I'm sure the script can still be found somewhere.
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they were clearly frangible rounds the Predator was firing...that is the least of the problems this film will have.
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they were clearly frangible rounds the Predator was firing...that is the least of the problems this film will have.
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That was clearly the first 10-15 minutes edited into 5. If the film is paced like that, I'd be shocked.
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Isn't the whole concept about the hunter becoming the hunted? Modern day earth...a bunch of marines in the jungle...or a bunch of gangs in LA...then this strange creature comes down and starts treating them like game. Thats the whole point right? Taking them into space riding spaceships like Star Wars loses that appeal. I'd rather see Predator in a variety of present-day settings facing different types of human challengers.
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My goal today is to find that script and post a link here for everyone to read (including myself.) Might change GibsonUSA's opinion about Predators solely hunting on earth.
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Sticky grenade to an Alien's second mouth FTW. Let the corpse humping commence (use the acid for lube)...
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This script that you guys are talking about has to be most definitely based on the "Aliens vs. Predator: Prey" novel. I read it back in the 90's... it was good. Yeah, it had the female asian character you are all referring to. A quick google of Alien vs. Predator novels brought me to an Amazon page where you can see and buy the book: http://tinyurl.com/2lx3sn
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now get to reading.
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OK, you've got Alien where the claustrophobia mixed with the revealed horror of each new step in the Alien's evolution makes a great movie. But once that's explained and familiar, then where do you go that's new? Answer is Aliens with more than one of the evil things providing the novelty. But once that threshold is crossed, what can you do new? All the other Alien movies have suffered because they've tried to mine bad filmmaking and sloppy "stunt" science (the hybridization process is goofy crap solely to justify "new" creature effects and Signory Weaver i.e., "I know, let's make Ripley a clone!") in search of novelty. The only real direction you could take the franchise is upping the scale yet again--make it a "Return of the King" scale planet-wide war to contain the alien contagon or "decontaminate" an infestation. The Predator franchise is more both more limited but also easier to extend because there is much Predator "backstory" that could be invented and told (the Alien life-cycle is pretty self-contained by comparison)--the limitation is on how much of that you can do while still maintaining the hunted human POV that made the first (and part of the second) movie fun. You could always abandon that element, but then you're not making a franchise movie, you're just borrowing some details for something mostly different. And yeah, you could bring both arcs together but you wouldn't be doing it for good narrative reasons. So are both Alien and Predator arcs complete as far as good movie possibilities go?
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Book 1: Prey
Book 2: Hunter's Planet
Book 3: War
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..i mean, after 3,the alien series had flung itself so far into the future, there was not much father to go. i always felt they needed to expand on how 'the company' knew about the aliens (even as far back as ALIEN, 'mother' was programmed to make sure one could be brought back if one was encountered. Ash the android already knew about them, and even Dallas was in communication with 'the company'...So if there was one redeeming thing about AVP, you have to admit it was tying in weyland yutani, and 'bishop'.so to me, whatever happens in a small town in this movie, can easily be hidden, quarantined, and covered up by the company or government to explain away why the bulk of mankind still doesn't know about the aliens by the time ALIEN/ALIENS comes around.I imagine we'll see something not unlike a scrap of terminator- whatever bits of alien or predators are left behind after this battle- that the goverment/corporation comes and secrets away, giving them something to experiment with but desperately wanting a living specimen.so yeah, in the end, the only logical direction for either series to go would be backward.
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Why not here?
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to expand on what i said, you could theoretically have quite a few 'modern day' encounter stories involving alien/predator/weyland yutani without trashing the continuity of the past movies. basically, the company could even capture live specimens of A's or P's at any point, find them hard to contain, diaster happens, cleanup happens, the company is left saying:"holy shit those things are dangerous- we need another!' no matter how bad the carnage gets, the company greed takes over.I also think it will be rather obvious that we bgin to see that weyland yutani becomes the huge governmental corporation of the future because they hold the patents to all the technologies and bio breakthroughs that they steal from the aliens or predators. I wouldn't doubt if they explain man going into space as 'space marines' in ships as being the result of stolen preadtor propulsion technology.
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because while predators are tough, and aliens are unstoppable, mankind is relentless and dirty...the ferengis of the story. It's the underlying current in aliens 1 thru 3..just how shitty the company can be to get what it wants, who it'll endanger, and the endless drive to own everything. The 'company' itself is the worst monster of all, a shapeless entity that consumes and steal everything to make it grow.
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the earth hive story would have been the way to go with Alien. It doen't matter- they'll just keep raping it's carcass
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Is for me exactly like Vincent Vega leaning across the front seat of the car and shooting that poor kid's head off. What, that was professional? Jules, who is a professional goes ballistic, just like the Predator Cleaner does. Yeah, the trainees on the ship, and their slack instructors screwed up. Alien hillbillies is right.
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This has already been done by Dark Horse: Beowulf, where Grendel is an Alien Warrior,and his mother the Queen; Predators having it out with the Spanish Conquistadors and Aztecs in Mexico City, circa 1521 (the big war being celebrated today by archaic Catholics as the Virgin of GuadaLupe).
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it's all 20th century Fox property. make it so.
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-is that where they explain the old gun given to danny in predator 2?
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They just put the flicks into the theaters for Lucasfilm who owns the rights.
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Just saw the first five minutes and it doesn't look so bad...yeah, it could suck...but who knows...
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Stamp-o-vision only if you don't bother to click on the expand icon in the corner of the video. In that case it becomes full screen in decent resolution.
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where the aliens are domesticated by humans and used as menial servants and pets. Or aliens are treated like cattle and end up being one our basic staples. Fried facehugger, boiled acid sac, that kind of thing. Or maybe a bunch of aliens are touring Depression-era USA in a carnival.
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I know I'm late for the party with this reply, but in regards to the griping about the POV for the ship crashing to earth....
I'm more aggravated that I put this much thought into it, but I just dismissed it with the notion that it wasn't video footage. First assumption - all their spacecraft have kick-ass GPS tracking systems. Obviously, the Predator species uses 3D models for their holograms (i.e. the temple hologram in AvP1), the predator reviewing the flight data much like a blackbox from our airliners and instead of showing just a blinking dot moving across a 2D radar, it rendered it as a 3D image the "footage" the Predator saw of the spaceship heading towards earth wasn't video from some satellite or some super-duper zoom camera, it was just their system's rendering the GPS tracking data in the display.
The fact that they showed it in the exact same perspective as they showed the actual event happening to the viewer is lazy, admittedly, but they probably spent enough time/money to create that CG segment and it'd be easier to just reuse it for a quick 2 second replay scene later on. Also, it probably would seem to make more sense to Joe Schmoe moviegoer to see the same perspective re-displayed as opposed to some other perspective so Joe Schmoe isn't confused when he sees some random spaceship crash to earth from a totally different angle; the film maker's assumption that Joe wouldn't be able to link the 2 events as different perspectives of the same event so why not just show the same perspective. -
Yes, either that--or a flashback from an event that occurred 7 seconds ago by a character who did not witness the event first hand and would have no reason to visually recall it. Or something.
On another topic--everyone assumes that the Predator "world" is in fact the Predators homeworld. If so, it's not how I imagined it (hot, but humid and swampy). I instead took that planet to be a remote outpost, or a headquarters for the hunter-cleaners. Wherever it is, it can't be that far from earth unless the Predators have lightspeed technology. It's not everyday you can watch a video of a bad event and say to yourself, "Oh we have a problem--I better jump in my space cruiser and go help."
On another 'nother topic. Wouldn't it be great if the movie shows us the kid with the face hugger suffering horrendously, before an alien tears its way through his chest? It would be like the Strauss brothers saying, "We wanna do it right, and we spit on watering shit down." -
So lets get this straight. This movie starts where the first movie ended. The predators are finished their once in a thousand year hunt and leaving earth orbit. The lame predalien arrives and is able to sprout into a full fledged beast within seconds to reek havock. Perfect timing as you wouldn't want that conflict happening anywhere except right above earth. how exciting. The predalien struts past camera from screen left to screen right, the camera pans to the left to show another predator cleaning a skull...wouldn't that suggest that the predalien was walking away from the victim? holy continuity batman.
Of course all predators wear their shoulder super conons when they know they can blast holes in their spacships...super warrior can't NOT use his energy gun. Maybe those were just really really stupid predators as we can tell some are BRILLIANT...the one recieving the distress signal is able to make sense of the situation in less than 22 seconds.
k on earth woo...ship flies a mile in the sky at 5000mph over father and son...who use hover boots to travel the "it's right up here" distance of 235 miles. at ship woo! dad points muzzle at sons face while tapping giant spaceship. close call...glad hes in the possition of teaching.
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Predator 1, 2, and AVP essentially ended with a lone human victor...with the second two including the "chief" Predator giving the human some kind of award. The Alien movies ended with either a lone or several human victors...or the human race as the victors.
What, are Aliens/Predators at 0-7 at this point? For such tough creatures they sure get beaten a lot by us earthlings. A movie needs to end with all the soldiers and opponents destroyed and a sole Predator champion standing. 1-7 -
Man, some originality, please!
"You know, I love those scores. I tried to convey something from every one of them to create a specific mood of blahblahblah..."
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when the predator on the ship fires his cannon at the hybrid i don't think it's cause he's a hillbilly, after he saw that hybrid, he knew it had to die an i think he just didn't give a shit How it was going to get done, just that it Was going to get done. the predators have shown their willingness to blow themselves up rather than "lose" so why is it a stretch to think that predator was like "holy shit! a fucking hybrid! thems bad news!" an made a snap decision to not fuck around with hand to hand, more effective just to shoot the bastard. if the ship crashes, fuck it, it dies either way. of course it didn't work out this way, but i'm merely speaking to what that predators motivations may have been.
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no "skin"!....WTF?? dumb.
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I think the Predator saw the Hybrid, and he was like, "Aw HAIL NAW!!"
And the Hybrid was like, "I jacked your brother, beyotch!"
And the Predator was like, "Aw, naw you DINT!!" And decides to just start shooting his ass. -
i've never heard anything definite on exoskeletons.
They always appeared to be a combination of exoskeletal armoring and flexible sinews with leathery looking 'skin' in some places.
No doubt the cranium bubble can be removed by a predator,as we've all seen the eye sockets behind which probably just serve as sensory pits.....i'd say the back of the head, where the ridges (ALIENS) or bubble with ridges underneath (ALIEN) can be peeled or pried off as well. Watch predator 2. that skull didn't get white by itself.
Theories have that the head either has ridges or appears smooth, (because outer shell is inflated away from ridges) based on environment or diet or other factors. I read somewhere to explain why the original ALIEN was more dome-smooth was because it was born in space. Theories on the ridges were based on the nuclear reactor hive in ALIENS. Basically, it's all just creative changes that us fanboys who worship the creature try to explain away any discrepancy or change... -
Best Xmas present ever.
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I'll have to see it. Because last year for Christmas Sylvester Stallone gave me "Rocky Balboa," and I was pretty tickled about that. Even though nobody was gored or impaled through the head.
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...yeah what i meant was that even though the company ship in ALIEN had simulated gravity, the alien could physically tell it was in a weightless environment. Built to survive in space (for how long though?) it always kept it's dome 'inflated' like a lung or a space hemlet if it needed to escape, go outside the ship, or, as we know, get ejected. but then that other theory about the ALIENS on the reactor colony having ridges, or their membrane pulled close to their skulls, was either a mutation or simply a different strain/family/bloodline.current movie incarnations have either kept the ridge look or done a middle of the road ridge/smooth take (alien 3,4,AVP)
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Good point about Knucklehead dad aiming the shotgun as his kid while he brilliantly raps the hull of the ship. You know, because it could be LIVING metal. At first when I saw the Dad have his arm melt off and get face-hugged, I felt bad for the kid, who had to watch his dad get jacked. But then I decided, these two deserve each other, and perhaps its best that their DNA stays here in the woods forever, so yes--please face hug that boy.
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if they really wanted this movie to succeed why not give us what we all want? Predapr0n. I want to see some big tittied, hottie predabitch get her fuck on. yall know those predachicks have chocolate covered pussy juice pr0n an that my friends is what we need to see.
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...it's base on the premise of the first film, which is unholy crap. It should be Alien vs. Predator vs. Space Marines in Battle Mechs. I won't settle for anything less.
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for trying to kill Bambi ...
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Latest book has it's capacity in vacuum at 2 hours.
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ah cool i hadn't read that one. makes sense.i was getting ready to have people start telling me aliens don't breath at all...'cause then i'd have to argue to look at their airbladders on the sides of their head (esp as chestbursters) and the fact that you hear them breath and hiss when they are close...and even if biomechanical, most machines still require some type of air system.some people are just ALIEN ignorant. :)
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Anyone could claim to be Jarv but since I've been away for a while, I just had to make sure by an otherwise irrelevant mention of The Ring to make sure.
Mind you, there was a time when you would have gone *totally* off at the mere mention of The Ring (US). Mellowing in your old age or is it just too hard to maintain the rage?
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...the air bladders aren't for the facehuggers but a means by which to help the victim breathe while it's being face-humped.
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Come on we need more universe-destroying franchise hybrids.
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Alien Vs Predator kinda kills the whole of the first "Alien" movie really; a lonely crew in a future space vessel, travelling in hibernation to a very remote outpost, finding fossilised remains of a giant ancient pilot, all that stuff. .......Killed.
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http://tinyurl.com/2c4tge
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Is that the UK release date? 1-18-08 or Christmas Day? The site with the clip was Yahoo's UK/Ireland branch but the promo would have the official date, right?
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for killing a kid onscreen. Don't get me wrong, it's not what I wanted; but it's the only mainstream film that's done so in 'umpteen' years.
Apparently, we Earthlings are a contagious bunch: The Preds must've suffered massive brain damage from their last battle or they would've had the common sense NOT TO SHOOT A PLASMACASTER IN SPACE!
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O.k., the aliens use the host to gestate their embryos & utilize the hosts physiology to survive in a new environment........(In the first movie the Aliens resemble the "space Jockey" that is found in the spaceship, Alien3 showed a dog, AVP-R has Predator and various comics & books have other species being implanted..... I would like to see scientists infecting other earth creatures
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An Alien/gorilla, Alien/dolphin, Alien/crocodile???? Alien/shark..... what other creatures could be used....?
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After scanning through most of the messages it seems that most people have never read the Aliens Comics. The film looks very loyal to the mood and style of them.
I cant believe people are wingeing about the gestation period of the bursters, especially from a 5 minute cut and paste job of the first 20 minutes of the film.
THIS IS NOT THE ACTUAL 5 MINUTES AS IT IS BEING SHOWN IN CINEMAS. THESE CLIPS WILL BE INCORPORATED AS PART OF A BIGGER OPENING. Pheww, said and done.
If you put your prejudices aside, you might actually enjoy this.
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The only piece of music that's in the clip AND the score is that Gothic Power bit. The rest is absent.
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Sidenote, I get a kick out of everyone freaking out about it ruining continuity, when this is clearly not supposed to be in the continuity of the movies, especially when one considers that noone knows a damn thing about the Aliens in like...100 years despite them attacking a populated town, not to mention that Charles Weyland is dead and apparently didn't have children. AVP is pretty derivative of the original source work. I loved Alien and Aliens, too. I liked Alien 3 for what it was as well. At least it stuck to the rules of the first two. But for those of you who are talking like this movie ruins the others...well, jeepers, sport, maybe it's time reprioritize and mebbe grow up a touch. If you're going to let a little popcorn flick ruin your enjoyment of a movie that is actually well made, then get out of the basement and get a god damned life.
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The Alien and Predator Franchises died years ago with no decent directors stepping up to take control. It makes me laugh the way Ridley Scott and James Cameron are pi@@ed of with the AVP films. Both have had an opportunity to make another and have turned their backs on the Alien universe. This is a much needed boot start of both franchises, like Batman Begins. If successful then it may finally allow the battle to continue in Space (AVP 2 directors are keen to do this). Dont flog the film before you've seen it.
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for free on Sci-Fi in a couple of years.
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on sci fi because all the gory parts will be taken out--what would be the point?
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Will they have a MANSQUITO/ALIEN crossover film? One can only hope!
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Why aliens versus predators? Why is that any different from aliens versus humans? Humans beat the aliens unless the humans are a) unarmed, or b) surprised. Same with predators. Or with bears/tigers/whatever versus humans. Absent any greater "plot" than the "versus," these movies can never be anything more than just a silly excuse to watch weirdo creatures fight each other. There's no more story to that than when the Romans would toss a starving lion in the ring with a starving chimp to see what would happen.
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The Dark Horse comics and the novels laid it out better than the films. The Predators are a Samurai-code bunch for the most part; in the highest orders of Predator life, when one hunts the Hard Meat (Aliens) one is not allowed to hunt the Soft Meat (humans). Stealth and cunning are used for dealing with humans; strength and speed for the Aliens. Broken Tusk is an old traditionalist, and his new trainees just want to kill anything that moves, because they've got rich Daddies who let them do whatever they want. Sounds like Clint Eastwood dealing with the Bush clan to me.
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Has anyone considered that the Alien in Alien might not even be the same species as the Aliens in Aliens? I mean, I'm not 100% certain about the nature of the egg chamber in Alien, but I was always more under the impression that it was a chamber that the Space Jockey race was intentionally using as a cargo hold for Alien eggs (the "blue mist" seemed to be some kind of containment field). If the Space Jockey race was intentionally transporting the little bastards, it is entirely plausible that they are transporting SEVERAL SPECIES of Alien. I mean, if you go to the pet store, you may say "ooh look, a pretty little parrot!" But then you walk around for a little while and you see a dove. And the parrot and the dove certainly share many similarities, but they are different. And the differences can be easily explained by the fact that they just aren't the same species. So like, the alien spaceship in Alien may have contained eggs of a DOZEN species of Alien. But humans were parasitized by a different species in each movie, resulting in different Aliens. Of course, if that were the case, then they would have explained as much. Much like the whole thing you were talking about twith the whole Predator super zoom telescope thing. I'm just saying that if we HAD to explain why the Aliens were different in Aliens than in Alien, my explanation would be the most plausible. After all, if you see a cat that's quite different from another cat, the VERY FIRST thing you're gonna assume is that they are different species of cat. I think the same would apply with Aliens. They would obviously be closely related, yes, but there's no reason to believe that there has to be ONLY one species of Alien.
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They're already in the woods, so why not? And since Aliens supposedly take the physical characteristics of their hosts, Bambi Alien would be a herbivore and would lack fingers. It would then trot off into the woods and peacefully munch on leaves with the rest of the forest critters, since it would be ill-equiped for eating people.
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isn't "ballsy" if they're boys. That's been done to death. Not to say that it shouldn't be done more, I'm just saying that it's already been done enough so as to fail as a means of giving your movie balls. If you really want to be ballsy, you need to kill little girls. Of course, that has been done too, just not as much.
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See, but that's a *story*. And I'm still not sure what is gained by having predators, aside from a zany wow-factor. In the plot you outline, the predators basically are humans--you even describe them as like samurai or Clint Eastwood or the Bush family. I understand that aliens versus predators as a concept sells more tickets than aliens versus regular people, so maybe that answers my question. Still, I think that a better movie would be something set in the same thematic world as the first 2 (maybe three) alien movies, except a bit farther in the future, and have the film concern a group of humans who actively go and exterminate aliens. Show them becoming increasingly cultlike and violent, art-direct up their spacecraft to look all gieger-y, and have the plot suggest that these alien-hunters might actually be spreading aliens from world to world for the purpose of giving themselves something more to fight and kill. Something like that would combine the sense of unease and horror from the first film, along with the theme of infection (because the hunters become more alien-like, maybe even reinforced visually by things like sharpening their teeth or wearing bits and pieces of dead aliens for decoration) with the cool action of the second film. Anyway, not to degrade the predators or anything, but I just don't see the point of them in an alien movie. Why should I in the audience care about two different types of special effects throwing punches at each other?
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They had a snake Alien, a praying mantis alien (not sure how an Alien would impregnate a praying Mantis), and yes, even a Gorilla Alien. There was also a Panther Alien that was very similar to the Dog Alien in Alien 3. Anyway, that's one of the reason why I always hated the idea of dog Aliens and Predaliens. It seems like a cheap action figure gimmick. As in, "okay, our movie might not have that much going for it, but it has the Slug Alien! You want to see the Slug Alien, don't you? Of course you do!" I don't know man. Just seems like a step down from Alien. Of course, Aliens sort of did the same thing by introducing the queen, but Aliens was actually a great fucking movie. The other ones, not so much. I guess I'll be more okay with the Predalien if the movie is actually awesome. But if the movie is disappointing, the Predalien is gonna end up looking really stupid (some would argue that it already looks stupid).
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There are people who would pay to see that shit. They're the same people who would pay to see this shit.
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Like Kramer vs Kramer, only with more decapitations and disembowelments.
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It's not that I've mellowed (much) I just don't want to rehash the argument again. I still hate it and its awful sequel
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These five minutes look much better than anything in the first Vs. film they did. Still, I'm not exactly expecting a masterpiece here.
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Hope the whole film has this pace to it.
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just in case anyone was wondering
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who's Philbrick & what is his legacy? has he replaced ringbear or is he something else entirely?
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"Old" alien toys? Ha! Those were the new toys. The "old" alien toys were the large alien figures Kenner sold after the release of the first movie. They were pulled after a short time because--go figure--kids didn't identify with the monster in a violent, shocking, R-rated film they're not allowed to see. Lookee here...
http://tinyurl.com/35bqxw
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Dec 13, 2007 7:41:09 AM CST
I've always thought the aliens in Alien and Aliens were differen
by mr writer
Not only do they look different, but they acted differently too. The alien in the first movie seemed to be highly intelligent with a bit of a sadistic streak. It outmanouvered the crew of the Nostromo at every turn and almost toyed with them. They were nothing but prey to it.
Physically, the alien was huge up close, but moved very deliberately, almost gracefully. It very much came across as the superior being Scott and Geiger wanted it to be and that Ash described it as in the movie itself. I remember reading somewhere that Scott had said the alien in his movie "couldn't be killed" just as Ash said.
The creatures in Aliens however were little more than seven-foot tall insects. They leaped around from wall to wall, attacked en masse and even lived in a hive with a Queen. And worse they could be killed without too much trouble as long as you were armed.
Aliens is a fantastic movie, but I always felt Cameron made a mistake by increasing their number, but reducing the aliens in terms of intelligence and behaviour in this way. I know Geiger hated what was done with the aliens in Aliens.
I always thought a simple way of explaining it was that the alien in the first movie was a pure (or warrior) alien meant to live autonomously from the hive while the creatures in Aliens were drones simply meant for maintaining the hive and gathering hosts for the eggs laid by the Queen. This would explain why they seemed to be smaller, more insect-like and far less dangerous or intelligent. The creature in the first movie actually seemed superior to the Queen in my eyes and maybe this could be explained too.
Surely, it would make sense that the Space Jockey (which seemed like an incredibly advanced race) was transported a "pure" alien.
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I thought the clip of AVP: R looked dumb, but overall okay. Since Resurrection my hopes and expectations for any new Alien movie have declined rapidly. Anderson's AVP was awful and a waste of decent FX. This looks like it will be more fun if nothing else, but I'm not expecting anything more than that. It's going to be a trashy, sci-fi horror, but if its even slightly enjoyable - even for five minutes - it will be better than the first AVP and from what I've seen in the trailers I think AVP:R will be just that - trashy and stupid, but reasonably enjoyable in places as long as you don't take it too seriously.
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What the hell were the Predators on that ship thinking leaving that body unguarded. It's not like they haven't known about about Alien's since ancient Egypt if the first AVP movie holds as cannon. So you'd hink they'd either space the body or throw it into the sun, or at post one thier own at the door to say, "Dudes the Alien's poppin out of his chest now, wanna at least keep our backs to it.
Otherwise seems pretty fun.
BTW anyone else notice the chair the Predator on the ho,meworld was sitting at looked a lot like the chair that big the dead alien(note the lower case "a") in the space ship from the first movie was sitting in when it got its chest burst out. Could that have been a Predator or Pred offshoot and Predator ship. -
With regards to tone and lighting etc this does seem more in line with the original franchise movies, as opposed to Anderson's clusterfuck. I for one am looking forward to this.
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And here's where I admit to having watched AvP: earlier in the "film", predators used their fancy vision to see that one of the humans was carrying a nascent chestburster, enabling a predator to kill the thing when it jumped out. So, really, there's no excuse for the predators not knowing their fallen compadre carried an alien. There's an explanation of course (namely: these movies are retarded), but that's not the same thing. Just to clarify, I did not, and would not, pay to see AvP. Same goes for this "requiem" nonsense.
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Didn't that Predator get laid out by a facehugger? The predators seem so careful and organized when it comes to everything else. You would think the pred that got the kiss of doom would have done something--either med treatment or killed itself or something. It's not like he would have forgotten, and certainly the audience wouldn't forget, even if Paul and Company thought we would. And you'd think they would have scanned everything that went back with them, it's just common sense. It was one of the most intelligence-insulting parts of AvP, and that's saying a lot.
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