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Hey all. Capone in Chicago here. I'm afraid what I have to say about THE GOLDEN COMPASS isn't quite as kind as some of my fellow staffers here on the site. Brace yourselves for a mild case of dissension.

About this time last year, I received a very nice booklet from New Line previewing THE GOLDEN COMPASS. It had big, gorgeous photos of the principle cast members and little write-ups about each character. I know people that worship these books with a Potter-like passion, but the fact is that I never got very excited about this film. Something about it looked sterile or derivative or generally uninteresting to me, but at the time, the film wasn't due for a year, so I assumed the enthusiasm of those around me would eventually rub off. That never happened. About the only thing I could drum up excitement about was the post-CASINO ROYALE re-teaming of Daniel Craig and Eva Green (turns out in the first film, they don't even have a scene together). I'm always curious about what Nicole Kidman is up to, but I don't think things have reached true excitement level for her work in many years. Director Chris Weitz made a great little film a few years back called ABOUT A BOY, but other than showing a gift for getting great performances out of young actors, nothing about that film forecast how well he might do in a big-budget, special-effects-driven work. Cautious optimism was the best I could muster as I attended the screening of this film.

Turns out my instincts on this film were right on the money. For all of the twisting plotlines, CGI animals, eccentric characters and big names THE GOLDEN COMPASS throws at us, the film is a decidedly mediocre fantasy film. There were ideas going on here that I really liked, but the way this movie seems to rush through the details turned me off to any sense of magic and wonder I wanted to feel. Young newcomer Dakota Blue Richards as Lyra is quite good, but even her ability to decipher and use the titular compass to help her get out of tight situations seemed like cheating. We never see her figure out how to use the object, and once she does, she uses it over and over again to save herself, rather than, you know, using her cunning or intellect.

The film's plot seems borrowed from other, far better fantasy works (the voice work of Ian McKellen as the ice/polar bear Iorek doesn't help discourage such thinking). The other way the film feels like a cheat is that Craig, Green and Kidman aren't in the film very much. Granted, there are hints that their roles will be expanded in the coming two parts of this trilogy, but plastering their faces and names over every trailer, billboard and print ad for this movie gives us certain expectations.

But unmet expectations aren't what bothered me most about THE GOLDEN COMPASS. No, the real trouble is that there is zero character development, and I never really cared who lived or died during the course of this film. There were a couple exceptions. Sam Elliott is wonderful as the seemingly misplaced cowboy Lee Scoresby, who puts Lyra in touch with Iorek, an outcast bear that longs to battle the king of the snow bears, Ragnar (voiced by Ian McShane), once more. Their beautifully staged fight scene is the best this film has to offer, if only for its shocking payoff. And I liked the idea that all humans in this alternative but similar universe to our own have their souls manifesting themselves as animal companions.

I figured the true test of this film's worth would be whether it inspired me to read Philip Pullman's “His Dark Materials” trilogy. It did not. This tale of missing children and talking animals and the mysterious Dust and warped ways of thinking about science and religion might be wondrous on the printed page, but as a film it's largely a failure. The bad guys are a little too obviously bad, while the good guys are simply boring and hopelessly white-bread. The main reason I'm even a little curious about the next two films (assuming they make them) is that I think they'll be better works assuming the stories are more compelling and dig a little deeper into these characters. The last 10 minutes of THE GOLDEN COMPASS consists of the audience being told what still needs to be done in the next two films. Take my word that there is nothing more thrilling the being read aloud the outline of two book sequels. In a season that has given and will continue to give us so many great films, there had to be a misfire in the batch somewhere, I guess. Welcome to it.

Capone
capone@aintitcoolmail.com



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good morning everyone
by Pipple
Dec 8th, 2007
09:26:53 AM
Even the trailer put me to sleep
by moondoggy2u
Dec 8th, 2007
09:32:37 AM
I've managed to watch it for a while...
by JackPumpkinhead
Dec 8th, 2007
09:33:21 AM
Dakota Blue Richards
by deadshot07
Dec 8th, 2007
09:48:24 AM
They dropped the ball, and studio fuckery didn't help
by performingmonkey
Dec 8th, 2007
09:52:06 AM
Finally someone got it right
by JohnnyRicoHatesBugs
Dec 8th, 2007
10:00:54 AM
No way do they complete the trilogy on film
by Pound Sand
Dec 8th, 2007
10:16:06 AM
Like a Flaccid cock dipped in chocolate Pussy Juice
by future help
Dec 8th, 2007
10:37:24 AM
For the love of science, ban the book; boycott the movie
by Merriman Lyon
Dec 8th, 2007
10:38:40 AM
Was both pleased and disappointed
by Kizeesh
Dec 8th, 2007
10:46:09 AM
By science, Otters Attack!!!!!!
by picardsucks
Dec 8th, 2007
10:47:11 AM
BUY A TICKET ANYWAY
by Blood T Cat
Dec 8th, 2007
11:01:27 AM
this film is offensive to talking polar bear warriors:
by newc0253
Dec 8th, 2007
11:15:03 AM
Well said, Capone
by Zorak5
Dec 8th, 2007
11:24:50 AM
Bombs Aways
by AlwaysThere
Dec 8th, 2007
11:34:02 AM
Derivative is the complete WRONG word for Pullman's trilogy
by WWBD
Dec 8th, 2007
11:50:52 AM
One of the problems with these mult-part films....
by rbatty024
Dec 8th, 2007
11:56:04 AM
poor adaptation, mediocre film
by lex romero
Dec 8th, 2007
11:56:14 AM
I'm With You Capone
by grievenom
Dec 8th, 2007
11:59:43 AM
'the only modern fantasy works not beholden to Tolkien'?
by newc0253
Dec 8th, 2007
12:06:25 PM
Le Guin is not beholden to Tolkien?
by WYLD STALLYNS RULES
Dec 8th, 2007
12:16:35 PM
Jumper (Full Trailer)
by AlwaysThere
Dec 8th, 2007
12:25:56 PM
I'm waiting for a movie version of....wait for it...
by cornponious
Dec 8th, 2007
12:34:51 PM
Newc0253
by WWBD
Dec 8th, 2007
12:43:13 PM
Hey Capone
by D o o d
Dec 8th, 2007
12:52:41 PM
All post-Tolkien fantasy is beholden to Tolkien
by Trader Groucho 2
Dec 8th, 2007
01:31:53 PM
Golden Compass is a comparative misfire
by Trader Groucho 2
Dec 8th, 2007
01:46:04 PM
D o o d
by systemsbroom
Dec 8th, 2007
02:04:28 PM
unintentional irony
by systemsbroom
Dec 8th, 2007
02:05:47 PM
Ebert gives it four stars.
by Barry Egan
Dec 8th, 2007
02:12:31 PM
I was disappointed
by NubtheSquirrel
Dec 8th, 2007
02:21:18 PM
$9 Million of Box Office Opening Day
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 8th, 2007
02:23:39 PM
The Golden Compass: A Wonderful Movie
by kenichi tanaka
Dec 8th, 2007
02:25:39 PM
Post-Tolkien Movie Possiblities
by zinc_chameleon
Dec 8th, 2007
02:49:50 PM
systemsbroom
by D o o d
Dec 8th, 2007
03:11:11 PM
fantasy to film
by drave117
Dec 8th, 2007
03:36:57 PM
Incomprehensible gibberish!
by TallBoy66
Dec 8th, 2007
03:41:03 PM
kevinwillis - are you sure?
by Trader Groucho 2
Dec 8th, 2007
03:46:52 PM
skywalker bacci tallboy
by Trader Groucho 2
Dec 8th, 2007
03:58:03 PM
I'd be interested in seeing Fafhrd & the Gray Mouser brought to
by cyberskunk
Dec 8th, 2007
04:14:37 PM
News0253, WWBD, & Trader Groucho 2:
by 0007
Dec 8th, 2007
04:23:59 PM
Dissapointed
by Nairb The Movie
Dec 8th, 2007
04:25:25 PM
I'll See It...
by Aquatarkusman
Dec 8th, 2007
04:31:22 PM
0007
by Trader Groucho 2
Dec 8th, 2007
04:52:51 PM
Steven Colbert is not happy!
by Larry of Arabia
Dec 8th, 2007
04:57:54 PM
tombodet
by The Real MiraJeff
Dec 8th, 2007
05:29:09 PM
The Real Ending
by S.Lowrey
Dec 8th, 2007
05:45:35 PM
Tolkien beholden to Robert E Howard?
by newc0253
Dec 8th, 2007
05:47:52 PM
TomBodet
by Trader Groucho 2
Dec 8th, 2007
06:02:07 PM
HOBBIT SUMMER 2008
by Mace Tofu
Dec 8th, 2007
06:02:48 PM
GC's ill box office fate
by Trader Groucho 2
Dec 8th, 2007
06:05:29 PM
Compass was good, Beowulf was better
by BrowncoatJedi
Dec 8th, 2007
06:38:54 PM
Beowulf was a better "fantasy" film than
by oisin5199
Dec 8th, 2007
06:56:47 PM
"thrilling the being"
by Darth Rosenberg
Dec 8th, 2007
07:10:52 PM
Now, now, MiraWhiff.
by DocPazuzu
Dec 8th, 2007
07:11:01 PM
It bombed this weekend
by Mgmax
Dec 8th, 2007
07:41:48 PM
******MORIARTY******
by Vamp-AICNchat
Dec 8th, 2007
07:41:54 PM
Who Tolkien is beholden to...
by Mgmax
Dec 8th, 2007
07:45:37 PM
"JK Rowling's stuff is not particularly beholden to Tolkien."
by Mgmax
Dec 8th, 2007
07:46:48 PM
*****WHAT A TOTAL DICK*****^^^^^^^^^^^^
by Vamp-AICNchat
Dec 8th, 2007
07:52:04 PM

by newc0253
Dec 8th, 2007
08:12:41 PM
Sorry Harry...
by Vamp-AICNchat
Dec 8th, 2007
08:18:39 PM
low fantasy is the best
by Prossor
Dec 8th, 2007
08:31:18 PM
Prossor
by systemsbroom
Dec 8th, 2007
08:51:54 PM
Vamp made me look up "chancer"
by Trader Groucho 2
Dec 8th, 2007
09:03:12 PM
Spaza LOL
by Trader Groucho 2
Dec 8th, 2007
09:17:32 PM
Why are we hating on Kim Cattrall???
by Trader Groucho 2
Dec 8th, 2007
09:55:46 PM
Tom - I'll tell you what
by Trader Groucho 2
Dec 8th, 2007
10:01:20 PM
The movie SUCKS
by moviemo
Dec 8th, 2007
10:15:43 PM
Systemsbroom
by 0007
Dec 8th, 2007
10:19:07 PM
Vamp hell yes, and Golden Comp Rant
by LaoWai
Dec 8th, 2007
10:24:32 PM
2nd and 3rd Books
by LaoWai
Dec 8th, 2007
10:32:05 PM
"I'm always curious about what Nicole Kidman is up to, but I don
by Marklar
Dec 8th, 2007
10:32:36 PM
part 2
by Marklar
Dec 8th, 2007
10:33:29 PM
0007
by systemsbroom
Dec 8th, 2007
10:51:14 PM
Some Good, Some Bad (light spoilers)
by chromedome
Dec 8th, 2007
11:35:03 PM
one more annoying thing:
by chromedome
Dec 8th, 2007
11:38:53 PM
Effect and Visualization of Ask The Compass
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 8th, 2007
11:47:12 PM
And I'm Sorry: Dust?
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 8th, 2007
11:49:04 PM
I Saw it at 9:25 PM on a Saturday
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 8th, 2007
11:50:31 PM
If You Write Fantasy, You're Beholden to Tolkein
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 8th, 2007
11:52:12 PM
Well they couldn't exactly call it
by Trader Groucho 2
Dec 9th, 2007
12:09:29 AM
How about Particulates? Wavicles? Quarks?
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 9th, 2007
12:28:17 AM
Polar-Barium!
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 9th, 2007
12:33:26 AM
chromedome
by WWBD
Dec 9th, 2007
12:41:58 AM
DOES ANYONE CARE?
by moviemo
Dec 9th, 2007
12:43:01 AM
Lyra's use of the compass...
by gengrievous82
Dec 9th, 2007
12:44:57 AM
WWBD
by chromedome
Dec 9th, 2007
12:51:17 AM
Actually, I forgot to mention the Worst thing
by chromedome
Dec 9th, 2007
12:54:32 AM
But, to mention the positives
by chromedome
Dec 9th, 2007
12:57:15 AM
bacci
by chromedome
Dec 9th, 2007
12:59:21 AM
worthwhile kidman film?
by slappy jones
Dec 9th, 2007
12:59:36 AM
how long until jackson is announced as hobbit director?
by slappy jones
Dec 9th, 2007
01:01:43 AM
Beholden ? No
by Prossor
Dec 9th, 2007
01:03:54 AM
Post Tolkien-Fantasy is Beholden to Tolkien
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 9th, 2007
01:32:58 AM
New Line Shoulda' Known It's Not a Formula
by FlickChick
Dec 9th, 2007
01:59:02 AM
Lord Dunsany begat all 20th century fantasy fiction,
by Dingbatty
Dec 9th, 2007
03:39:13 AM
Kidman
by optimus122
Dec 9th, 2007
04:11:17 AM
Kidman was also great in Eyes Wide Shut
by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYan ks
Dec 9th, 2007
04:33:26 AM
tommyB
by The Real MiraJeff
Dec 9th, 2007
06:11:43 AM
I've said it and so has everyone else
by D o o d
Dec 9th, 2007
06:28:38 AM
Box office failure
by happybunni
Dec 9th, 2007
06:31:18 AM
the beef as sabretooth
by ironic_name
Dec 9th, 2007
07:07:05 AM
Bakshi LOTR??
by Losteroo
Dec 9th, 2007
07:37:34 AM
I Liked Chronicles of Riddick
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 9th, 2007
09:24:23 AM
The Toned-Down Religious Stuff
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 9th, 2007
09:33:39 AM
ok. this is what drives me nuts
by br1947
Dec 9th, 2007
09:35:22 AM
Filegumbo
by Blood T Cat
Dec 9th, 2007
10:54:44 AM
Does this happen to anyone else..
by BobPalpatine
Dec 9th, 2007
12:50:00 PM
I disagree with most of what you said, but I do agree with...
by Mazzke
Dec 9th, 2007
12:56:11 PM
Thanks Capone, Finally someone that I agree with!
by Super Rabbi
Dec 9th, 2007
02:11:22 PM
FIVE WORDS......
by TheDohDoh
Dec 9th, 2007
02:53:51 PM
FOUR WORDS...
by TheDohDoh
Dec 9th, 2007
02:54:18 PM
THREE WORDS
by TheDohDoh
Dec 9th, 2007
02:55:50 PM
br1947, I couldn't agree more!
by 0007
Dec 9th, 2007
02:57:41 PM
Thanks systemsbroom...
by 0007
Dec 9th, 2007
03:00:01 PM
br1947
by Tourist
Dec 9th, 2007
03:01:52 PM
Beowulf imax 3D....amazing
by iwontwin
Dec 9th, 2007
03:29:28 PM
Pretty good flick but too many problems...
by TheRealSeveren
Dec 9th, 2007
03:36:53 PM
This Season...
by GaiusBaltarsMojo
Dec 9th, 2007
03:53:04 PM
I, for one, look forward to the sequel
by Kragmose
Dec 9th, 2007
04:48:20 PM
Dont know if there will be a sequel but...
by TheRealSeveren
Dec 9th, 2007
05:27:16 PM
I predict one weekend soon Beowulf will beat...
by TheRealSeveren
Dec 9th, 2007
05:35:28 PM
I'll be taking Capone's reviews with a grain of salt from now on
by FarSky
Dec 9th, 2007
05:37:27 PM
Thanks Capone. You said what I thought better than I could.
by V'Shael
Dec 9th, 2007
05:43:24 PM
Wow, FarSky how's life as an intern?
by TheRealSeveren
Dec 9th, 2007
06:07:21 PM
Wow, FarSky got the good Miracle grow
by br1947
Dec 9th, 2007
07:43:26 PM
Saw it and I renounced God
by Dazzler69
Dec 9th, 2007
07:47:23 PM
It's Been 23 Hours Since I Saw It
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 9th, 2007
08:23:34 PM
FarSky, see how far sky is?
by JackPumpkinhead
Dec 9th, 2007
09:14:47 PM
aicn off on golden compass
by mrsheldrake
Dec 9th, 2007
09:24:58 PM
Yea--definitely not 10 WORST material
by chromedome
Dec 9th, 2007
09:54:57 PM
.
by --- Emperor ---
Dec 9th, 2007
10:16:33 PM
Fantasy Authors Not Beholden to Tolkien
by DKT
Dec 9th, 2007
11:45:55 PM
I was going to comment on how fun and weird...
by samsquanch
Dec 9th, 2007
11:55:43 PM
You are absolutely correct in your analysis...
by Frank Black
Dec 10th, 2007
12:32:22 AM
TOMBODET GET A FUCKING LIFE!
by FlyinHawaiian
Dec 10th, 2007
12:39:12 AM
COMPASS points to boxoffice failure
by thegreatwhatzit
Dec 10th, 2007
12:55:46 AM
NICOLE KIDMAN + DANIEL CRAIG
by tme2nsb
Dec 10th, 2007
01:27:03 AM
Nicole Kidman
by tme2nsb
Dec 10th, 2007
01:28:06 AM
COMPASS points to boxoffice failure
by Live.
Dec 10th, 2007
02:41:31 AM
That is the funniest fucking thing I've read in ages
by Lost Jarv
Dec 10th, 2007
03:44:14 AM
Indy 4 poster revelead on USA Today!
by wadi77
Dec 10th, 2007
05:38:59 AM
Tolkien
by PurityOfEssence
Dec 10th, 2007
05:40:53 AM
Indy 4 poster online now!
by wadi77
Dec 10th, 2007
06:18:59 AM
the man with the HUGE hat
by skynetbauxi
Dec 10th, 2007
07:14:30 AM
I like the Indy poster too
by just pillow talk
Dec 10th, 2007
07:27:37 AM
Took my daughter on Saturday
by Abominable Snowcone
Dec 10th, 2007
07:30:29 AM
Inkheart looks like shit
by Abominable Snowcone
Dec 10th, 2007
07:36:14 AM
I didn't see a lot of ad for Compass
by Abominable Snowcone
Dec 10th, 2007
07:38:24 AM
See this is what I was talking about earlier...
by br1947
Dec 10th, 2007
08:00:35 AM
I didn't go see it because it is evil
by redfist
Dec 10th, 2007
08:52:56 AM
Heard it bombed abysmally...
by Kid Z
Dec 10th, 2007
08:56:15 AM
Golden Compass Not Good?!!
by Lord Nerd
Dec 10th, 2007
09:21:03 AM
My daemon...
by biggles2_22
Dec 10th, 2007
09:28:44 AM
God just called me...
by Lord Nerd
Dec 10th, 2007
09:30:19 AM
Hardly a bomb and you can count on sequels...
by Frank Black
Dec 10th, 2007
09:31:12 AM
and furthermore...
by Frank Black
Dec 10th, 2007
09:35:26 AM
How many of you...
by Lord Nerd
Dec 10th, 2007
09:36:14 AM
biggles2_22...
by Frank Black
Dec 10th, 2007
09:38:32 AM
If Jesus came back today...
by Kid Z
Dec 10th, 2007
09:40:32 AM
Kid Z, exactly...
by Frank Black
Dec 10th, 2007
09:46:04 AM
Did Eragon get a sequel?
by Live.
Dec 10th, 2007
10:25:23 AM
The difference between Eragon and Compass....
by Frank Black
Dec 10th, 2007
10:28:48 AM
I'd watch a film called Son of Eragon: Electric Boogaloo..
by Jugs
Dec 10th, 2007
10:37:33 AM
Compass & Chronicles of Narnia
by biggles2_22
Dec 10th, 2007
11:07:48 AM
New Line: no more COMPASS sequels
by thegreatwhatzit
Dec 10th, 2007
11:13:48 AM
Capone-- As a bookseller, let me tell you...
by ZeroCorpse
Dec 10th, 2007
11:14:30 AM
I could never hate you biggles2_22
by Frank Black
Dec 10th, 2007
11:14:51 AM
VERY WELL SAID ZERO CORPSE
by Frank Black
Dec 10th, 2007
11:16:43 AM
Compass wasn't that great of a book
by SkeletonParty
Dec 10th, 2007
11:16:48 AM
Zero Corpse
by SkeletonParty
Dec 10th, 2007
11:24:39 AM
Zerp Corpse - I think Capone's point is...
by SkeletonParty
Dec 10th, 2007
11:29:26 AM
Frank Black
by Abominable Snowcone
Dec 10th, 2007
11:35:40 AM
I hoped..
by drewlicious
Dec 10th, 2007
11:52:12 AM
"The true test of this film's worth..."
by supertoyslast
Dec 10th, 2007
11:53:26 AM
Atheism...
by thegreatwhatzit
Dec 10th, 2007
11:57:22 AM
Good points Abominable Snowcone
by Frank Black
Dec 10th, 2007
12:10:23 PM
Frank Black
by Abominable Snowcone
Dec 10th, 2007
12:50:22 PM
thegreatwhatzit, you miss the lesson of Swaggert...
by biggles2_22
Dec 10th, 2007
12:54:25 PM
thegreatwhatzit
by WWBD
Dec 10th, 2007
01:02:51 PM
WWBD, as smart as you think Athiests are...
by biggles2_22
Dec 10th, 2007
01:09:48 PM
I'm so happy that this film failed
by call7000
Dec 10th, 2007
01:24:10 PM
crashbarbarian
by crashbarbarian
Dec 10th, 2007
01:34:09 PM
Memorable
by Roboteer
Dec 10th, 2007
02:22:51 PM
Is That All?!!! Is That All?!!!
by drewlicious
Dec 10th, 2007
02:36:27 PM
Supertoyslast - you have it exactly right
by SkeletonParty
Dec 10th, 2007
03:07:09 PM
biggles
by samsquanch
Dec 10th, 2007
03:48:43 PM
The true measure of a move is...
by ArcadianDS
Dec 10th, 2007
04:11:58 PM
the video game
by drave117
Dec 10th, 2007
04:31:46 PM
Is ANYONE going to see this...
by metaluna
Dec 10th, 2007
05:22:31 PM
Atheists are delusional
by thegreatwhatzit
Dec 10th, 2007
05:26:47 PM
I Wasn't Miserable as an Atheist
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 10th, 2007
06:03:31 PM
Metaluna, on behave of all evangelicals...
by TheGhostWhoLurks
Dec 10th, 2007
06:08:50 PM
"On behalf"... Oh, and you can see the Caspian trailer
by TheGhostWhoLurks
Dec 10th, 2007
06:12:27 PM
AICN has Done the Prince Caspian Trailer
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 10th, 2007
06:46:33 PM
Nope, Same One
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 10th, 2007
06:51:37 PM
Nope, Same One
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 10th, 2007
06:51:37 PM
thegreatwhatzit
by drave117
Dec 10th, 2007
07:02:54 PM
Men without chests
by AntoniusBloc
Dec 10th, 2007
09:10:24 PM
This film, like its author has no heart
by AntoniusBloc
Dec 10th, 2007
09:58:45 PM
Atheists think they're cool
by call7000
Dec 10th, 2007
11:08:57 PM
So can Wheel of Time become a series of films like LOTR?
by Sick Fixx
Dec 10th, 2007
11:39:49 PM
AntoniusBloc
by thegreatwhatzit
Dec 11th, 2007
12:20:38 AM
This is the FIRST big film that I am consciously going to avoid
by Sepulchrave
Dec 11th, 2007
02:56:02 AM
Oh and call7000
by Sepulchrave
Dec 11th, 2007
02:56:38 AM
All the faithful Christians on this board
by Sepulchrave
Dec 11th, 2007
03:01:23 AM
So greatwhatzit you are in fact a religious zealot
by IndustryKiller!
Dec 11th, 2007
03:38:36 AM
And to antonius who said Narnia has heart
by IndustryKiller!
Dec 11th, 2007
03:41:56 AM
One more thing Antonius and greatwhatzit
by IndustryKiller!
Dec 11th, 2007
03:46:46 AM
Make that one more thing greatwhatzit
by IndustryKiller!
Dec 11th, 2007
03:53:52 AM
Boring..!!
by Stalkeye
Dec 11th, 2007
07:06:55 AM
IndustryKiller: You Need to Study up on Jefferson
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 11th, 2007
07:43:44 AM
I Was Not a Big Fan of Narnia, BTW
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 11th, 2007
07:46:22 AM
Atheists KNOW They're Cool
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 11th, 2007
07:47:49 AM
Faithful Christians
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 11th, 2007
07:50:05 AM
The troll-fu is strong
by PhineasB
Dec 11th, 2007
08:32:03 AM
To Quote Thomas Jefferson
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 11th, 2007
09:43:53 AM
Kevinwillis.net
by Sepulchrave
Dec 11th, 2007
10:15:25 AM
And the DIEST people
by Sepulchrave
Dec 11th, 2007
10:23:11 AM
Sepulchrave
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 11th, 2007
10:25:45 AM
Sepulchrave II
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 11th, 2007
10:29:37 AM
BTW, Monotheism
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 11th, 2007
10:30:25 AM
There Can Be Only One
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 11th, 2007
10:31:30 AM
Catholic boycott of the film
by JacksParasites
Dec 11th, 2007
11:46:23 AM
Is that a JEM reference, kevin?
by Sepulchrave
Dec 11th, 2007
12:08:39 PM
What a shame
by yohomie.
Dec 11th, 2007
12:09:45 PM
I know exactly what a diest is Kev
by IndustryKiller!
Dec 11th, 2007
01:08:29 PM
Why can't we all just get along?
by samsquanch
Dec 11th, 2007
02:00:09 PM
Sepulchrave, evolution is assumed, not proven.
by SkeletonParty
Dec 11th, 2007
02:13:12 PM
Holy shit, Skeleton party.
by samsquanch
Dec 11th, 2007
02:27:57 PM
it's ironic-
by samsquanch
Dec 11th, 2007
03:59:43 PM
Sepulchrave,is it intellectual to hate?
by liljuniorbrown
Dec 11th, 2007
04:51:40 PM
liljuniorbrown
by samsquanch
Dec 11th, 2007
05:33:29 PM
You can't logically argue religion
by IndustryKiller!
Dec 11th, 2007
07:53:38 PM
Phineus
by AntoniusBloc
Dec 11th, 2007
11:07:11 PM
As an "evolutionist"
by samsquanch
Dec 11th, 2007
11:23:11 PM
The point is, Samsquanch, it still man..it is your view that is
by AntoniusBloc
Dec 11th, 2007
11:40:15 PM
Antonius if "Art is the signature of man" then...
by IndustryKiller!
Dec 11th, 2007
11:41:24 PM
"Logic and reason actually support faith....when one uses imagin
by IndustryKiller!
Dec 11th, 2007
11:47:45 PM
The point is, Samsqanch, it is still man
by AntoniusBloc
Dec 11th, 2007
11:49:43 PM
You havent said anything of the sort Antonius
by IndustryKiller!
Dec 12th, 2007
12:01:57 AM
Industrykiller
by AntoniusBloc
Dec 12th, 2007
12:04:12 AM
You're right antonius
by IndustryKiller!
Dec 12th, 2007
12:13:02 AM
"Not the MAN we know today" now that's funny
by AntoniusBloc
Dec 12th, 2007
12:16:26 AM
But it can be proven...
by IndustryKiller!
Dec 12th, 2007
12:16:39 AM
"Where is the contradiction?" you say
by IndustryKiller!
Dec 12th, 2007
12:25:13 AM
Ya, I thought so, you sound pretty pissed off industry
by AntoniusBloc
Dec 12th, 2007
12:27:48 AM
And before you try to...
by IndustryKiller!
Dec 12th, 2007
12:28:31 AM
Wow antonius if you really think that
by IndustryKiller!
Dec 12th, 2007
12:32:02 AM
let's get down to something important-
by samsquanch
Dec 12th, 2007
12:37:42 AM
You're confusing me with a fundamentalist
by AntoniusBloc
Dec 12th, 2007
12:49:49 AM
I wonder if people called MLK an asshole in his day
by JacksParasites
Dec 12th, 2007
01:09:51 AM
Natural selection still doesn't prove we came from animals
by AntoniusBloc
Dec 12th, 2007
01:11:27 AM
The last few comments on evolution including
by Sepulchrave
Dec 12th, 2007
01:20:30 AM
Chesterton?
by Sepulchrave
Dec 12th, 2007
01:21:07 AM
Chesterton?
by Sepulchrave
Dec 12th, 2007
01:21:13 AM
CS Lewis, Tolkien? Chesterton?
by Sepulchrave
Dec 12th, 2007
01:25:59 AM
The Hulk Could Beat up Superman
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 12th, 2007
06:13:07 AM
ATHEISTS
by ROBE
Dec 12th, 2007
06:22:56 AM
BTW, Thomas Jefferson
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 12th, 2007
06:25:33 AM
Sepulchrave: You Believe in Gravity?
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 12th, 2007
06:29:38 AM
Robe: But Atheists Are Cool!
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 12th, 2007
06:32:32 AM
I Meant to Say Thomas Paine, Not Patrick Henry
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 12th, 2007
06:34:02 AM
Yes Kev, all athiests are beatniks
by IndustryKiller!
Dec 12th, 2007
08:12:59 AM
And Antonius my belief in science,....
by IndustryKiller!
Dec 12th, 2007
08:19:36 AM
No Robe random chance isn't smarter
by IndustryKiller!
Dec 12th, 2007
08:21:00 AM
All Atheists are French new wave philosophers?
by Sepulchrave
Dec 12th, 2007
12:18:57 PM
I have not, nor will I ever
by samsquanch
Dec 12th, 2007
12:30:10 PM
I say again, Antonius
by samsquanch
Dec 12th, 2007
12:46:40 PM
athEIst dEIst, have you guys got it yet?
by Sepulchrave
Dec 12th, 2007
01:03:12 PM
alright
by samsquanch
Dec 12th, 2007
01:43:18 PM
Samsquanch, let yourself grow up too.
by SkeletonParty
Dec 12th, 2007
03:56:56 PM
Sepulchrave, saying "Evolution doesn't exist"
by SkeletonParty
Dec 12th, 2007
04:12:32 PM
Way too much explication
by Mazzke
Dec 12th, 2007
06:39:32 PM
Get off My Lawn and Start Listening to the Kinks
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 12th, 2007
09:11:02 PM
Robe, look up the Miller-Urey Experiment...
by JacksParasites
Dec 12th, 2007
10:33:58 PM
Thank you JackParasites, thank you.
by Sepulchrave
Dec 13th, 2007
07:16:46 AM
Dungeon of Creationists
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 13th, 2007
11:42:18 AM

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