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Massawyrm Talks THE GOLDEN COMPASS, Religion, And Harry's Review!!


Hola all. Massawyrm here.

I love Harry. No, this isn't one of those It's his birthday so I'm gonna publicly fellate the boss sort of things. It's that while there are many times in which we feel the other is a complete motard for his opinions on a film, there are a lot of times in which we not only see eye to eye, but when one of us beats the other to a posted review, it almost seems pointless to post our own – it's all already been said. Sometimes we seem to peel the words right out of each others heads. And such is exactly how I feel about The Golden Compass. I thought I was in the clear. If I took a few hours to nap after an early morning screening I would be fine, right?

Wrong. Harry beat me to the punch. Tortoise and the Hare and all that shit. With dread I clicked open his story and read line by line as he spelt out virtually every feeling I had for the film. It is gorgeous, a unique and wonderfully conceived fantasy concept that plunks you right smack dab into a world you've never even pondered, but almost instantly believe exists. You sit there drinking in every moment of the first act enjoying all the various fantasy ideas brought together with even the most tired and clichéd among them seemingly having new life breathed into them. And for a while you miss just how hollow this film is. You don't realize just how hard this film is trying to keep its best secrets for itself.

The exposition is thick as an ice cream cake fresh out of the freezer and just about as easy to cut through. There's a lot of information they want to lay out, a lot of questions they want you to ask while simultaneously refusing to answer almost any of them. That's what the next two films are for….and that's where this film begins to suffer its chief and most debilitating flaw. It operates under the assumption that there will definitely be a second and third film and has an ending that feels awfully familiar as a result. Remember how a large number of people felt a little let down at the end of Fellowship of the Ring? Remember that really, that was the climax feeling? Well imagine that without the promise of a followup film the following Christmas. That's what the final act of The Golden Compass feels like.

Now I'm certain that if this does well enough the answers will really begin to flow in the next film. But how long am I gonna have to wait? Is it a sure thing? Will it ever even happen? These are the thoughts running through your head at the end of this. And it shouldn't. A first film like this really needs to feel like it stands on its own, really needs to feel like its own thing, like something I WANT more of…not NEED more of to feel complete. But The Golden Compass has a big glaring TO BE CONTINUED practically plastered across its third act and it is kind of a let down in that way.

But it is beautiful. There are some killer moments and visuals that make you feel like a kid again. If you haven't read Harry's review, do so. He addresses all the salient details worth mentioning about this film – except he somehow forgot to mention the sheer awesomeness of every moment Sam Elliot is on the screen. Is it a SAG rule that all cowboy stereotypes MUST be played by Elliot, or is it that he is just sugarfried awesome with a hint of musk? Who cares. He kicks ass.

But is the film offensive? No. I've gotta side with the American Catholic Bishops that viewed this film rather than the headline grabbing William Donohue and his Catholic League. Sure, when viewed by an adult familiar with Pullman's religious stances and the overall theme of the books – yeah, there's still enough there for a reasoned adult to see the themes. But when viewed on its own, looked at without a lot of the contextual references that New Line and Weitz were very careful to excise from this mass distributed version of the story, there is nothing deliberately anti-religion, anti-god or especially anti-catholic. Does the Magesterium look a lot like the very worst of the Catholic church? Sure – there's a definite aspect of the Inquisition to it. But it is nothing to get in a twist over – just the usual anti-authoritarian stuff prevalent in just about every great adventure story ever written. But it's not like there really are still Catholics out there trying to tell us what we should watch, read or think...is there?

Oh.

And this bollocks about the movie being a gateway to the books – which admittedly do contain some anti-religious/anti-Christian sentiments – dude, if it bothers you don't let your kids read the books. It really is that simple. Tell them that the movie's different. It is. And it's safe. You know, as safe as a PG-13 movie can be. Donohue and his bunch have really kind of missed the point here. New Line specifically toned down the offensive content as not to rile up the boycotters, to provide a film that entertained instead of proselytized – and rather than thanks, they get calls of a boycott. Just what kind of message are you trying to send there, Bill? If you take issue with the books, caution parents against the books – not the movie that had its offensive bits sanitized.

Overall, it is a film worth checking out. I enjoyed it and found some of the bits to be a collection of truly perfect moments. But it feels incomplete. Maybe once I've gotten through to the end of the third, all of the holes will have been filled in with the awesomeness to follow. I mean, no one is let down by the ending of FotR anymore, are they? Instead they just get excited to throw in disc 3 of what is a 6 disc movie. Maybe I'll feel like that one day. But today, I feel like the movie kept all of the best stuff to itself for later. This comes Recommended to anyone who considers themselves a fantasy fan or has kids old enough to take to a PG-13 movie. It might not tickle your pink parts for two hours, but it will entertain you.

Until next time friends, smoke ‘em if ya got ‘em.

Massawyrm

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First
by Kizeesh
Dec 6th, 2007
08:11:48 AM
First
by Kizeesh
Dec 6th, 2007
08:11:51 AM
I didnt like Pullman's comments on Tolkein
by cromwell1666
Dec 6th, 2007
08:12:21 AM
Be wary
by cromwell1666
Dec 6th, 2007
08:17:03 AM
Doubly beaten
by Kizeesh
Dec 6th, 2007
08:17:19 AM
Agreed
by batjac
Dec 6th, 2007
08:18:35 AM
6th!
by Live.
Dec 6th, 2007
08:29:49 AM
Bow before my noodly appendage!
by Flying Spaghetti Monster
Dec 6th, 2007
08:31:09 AM
If I was a conservative Catholic
by norrinrad
Dec 6th, 2007
08:31:23 AM
why shouldn't there be anti-religious films?
by Frank Black
Dec 6th, 2007
08:36:45 AM
Seriously Insecure Sky Fairy Believers
by Aquatarkusman
Dec 6th, 2007
08:40:27 AM
Frank Black
by m2298
Dec 6th, 2007
08:55:15 AM
You should have compared the ending . . .
by Nice Marmot
Dec 6th, 2007
09:01:42 AM
It's not that
by jsm1978
Dec 6th, 2007
09:08:18 AM
If you haven't read the books don't kid yourself
by Olowyn
Dec 6th, 2007
09:08:29 AM
Just like
by jsm1978
Dec 6th, 2007
09:09:04 AM
I won't see it
by dukrous
Dec 6th, 2007
09:12:26 AM
m2298
by Frank Black
Dec 6th, 2007
09:14:48 AM
You all talk shit
by SKULL1138
Dec 6th, 2007
09:17:09 AM
More importantly...
by Frank Black
Dec 6th, 2007
09:21:25 AM
Skull1138
by Kizeesh
Dec 6th, 2007
09:25:27 AM
Religion
by SKULL1138
Dec 6th, 2007
09:35:55 AM
Massawyrm, Princess of Power?
by expert_40
Dec 6th, 2007
09:37:34 AM
How would christians and right wingers feel if the "magisterium"
by Brian 2000
Dec 6th, 2007
09:42:31 AM

by Brian 2000
Dec 6th, 2007
09:44:57 AM
Kizeesh...Give me a break
by SKULL1138
Dec 6th, 2007
09:50:09 AM
'no one is let down by the ending of FotR are they?'
by newc0253
Dec 6th, 2007
09:54:58 AM
leobloom
by LegoKenobi
Dec 6th, 2007
10:00:24 AM
Skull1138 is a published writer?
by newc0253
Dec 6th, 2007
10:01:59 AM
Skull1138 - a word on etiquette
by Kizeesh
Dec 6th, 2007
10:04:44 AM
paragraph breaks
by newc0253
Dec 6th, 2007
10:05:27 AM
Acceptance of crticism
by SKULL1138
Dec 6th, 2007
10:22:30 AM
Paragraphs
by SKULL1138
Dec 6th, 2007
10:23:34 AM
Donahue...
by Kid Z
Dec 6th, 2007
10:24:17 AM
Pullman versus Tolkien
by zinc_chameleon
Dec 6th, 2007
10:25:42 AM


by Kizeesh

Dec 6th, 2007
10:27:43 AM
I SUPPORT THE AMERICAN CATHOLIC BISHOPS ON THIS ONE!
by chrth
Dec 6th, 2007
10:28:37 AM
Haven't read the books, won't pay to see the movie
by TVGuy Returns
Dec 6th, 2007
10:28:52 AM
Tolkien
by SKULL1138
Dec 6th, 2007
10:35:23 AM
You May Be Right, TVGuy:
by Aquatarkusman
Dec 6th, 2007
10:36:59 AM
TVGuy Returns: Actually, Pullman's books aren't atheist
by chrth
Dec 6th, 2007
10:41:06 AM
SKULL1138: Not within the confines of LOTR
by chrth
Dec 6th, 2007
10:46:22 AM
Me again
by SKULL1138
Dec 6th, 2007
10:49:42 AM
It worked
by SKULL1138
Dec 6th, 2007
10:51:09 AM
What Gandalf said:
by chrth
Dec 6th, 2007
11:00:11 AM
Crunchy Catholic Goddness!
by Harlocks Balls
Dec 6th, 2007
11:04:03 AM
Most people don't even know what an Atheist is
by performingmonkey
Dec 6th, 2007
11:09:34 AM
'potentially'
by tikibars
Dec 6th, 2007
11:11:29 AM
"It's raw, instinctive." ... which is why it's not religion's fa
by chrth
Dec 6th, 2007
11:12:40 AM
The word that got cut off was 'fault'
by chrth
Dec 6th, 2007
11:14:43 AM
I think most Atheist know what they are
by Harlocks Balls
Dec 6th, 2007
11:15:01 AM
Donohue is beyond fringe - seriously
by Yeti
Dec 6th, 2007
11:18:55 AM
That *was* the ending of FotR in the book, dude
by LordMadhammer
Dec 6th, 2007
11:22:33 AM
"That *was* the ending of FotR in the book, dude"
by chrth
Dec 6th, 2007
11:26:38 AM
Chrth: C.S. Lewis and Tolkien Differed Radically
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 6th, 2007
11:39:12 AM
Bad Things Done Without Religion
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 6th, 2007
11:42:48 AM
I'm Reading FotR Right Now, Actually
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 6th, 2007
11:46:27 AM
So do Athiests celebrate Christmas?
by WickedMonster
Dec 6th, 2007
11:46:46 AM
chrth...
by expert_40
Dec 6th, 2007
11:51:04 AM
Bad things done by authoritarian bullies
by Harlocks Balls
Dec 6th, 2007
11:51:22 AM
Pullman Isn't Fit to Lick Tolkien's Boots
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 6th, 2007
11:51:25 AM
arguably both those examples were Religious atrocities
by Lost Jarv
Dec 6th, 2007
11:51:53 AM
expert_40: I'm not saying it was a bad change
by chrth
Dec 6th, 2007
11:56:05 AM
Lost Jarv: Works the other way, though
by chrth
Dec 6th, 2007
11:57:09 AM
Kids Reading Pullman's Books
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 6th, 2007
11:58:29 AM
I’m an Atheist and I LOVE CHRISTMAS
by Harlocks Balls
Dec 6th, 2007
11:59:04 AM
Dukrous are you an idiot?
by arrangedletters
Dec 6th, 2007
12:00:20 PM
I'll go to this BECAUSE of all the Catholics getting upset
by TotoroSan
Dec 6th, 2007
12:00:32 PM
Dukrous are you an idiot?
by arrangedletters
Dec 6th, 2007
12:01:25 PM
I am that I am
by Flying Spaghetti Monster
Dec 6th, 2007
12:04:37 PM
Communism as a Religion
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 6th, 2007
12:05:34 PM
Why I Like Religious Fanatics
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 6th, 2007
12:06:29 PM
Yes, but the movie is poor
by Merriman Lyon
Dec 6th, 2007
12:06:32 PM
The books are terrific
by Trazadone
Dec 6th, 2007
12:07:36 PM
Chrth and Kevin
by Lost Jarv
Dec 6th, 2007
12:08:12 PM
The Books are not terrific
by Lost Jarv
Dec 6th, 2007
12:10:07 PM
The Problem
by HailDaHypnoToad
Dec 6th, 2007
12:14:48 PM
I'm a Christian
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 6th, 2007
12:19:59 PM
And Despite The Whiners On Either Side
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 6th, 2007
12:22:17 PM
Nicole Kidman + Daniel Craig
by tme2nsb
Dec 6th, 2007
12:33:07 PM
When this movie fails
by I Dunno
Dec 6th, 2007
12:35:43 PM
Let's just agree on some terms here guys...
by eXcommunicated
Dec 6th, 2007
12:36:27 PM
It's amazing in this day and age
by kwisatzhaderach
Dec 6th, 2007
12:37:02 PM
I believe in Paul Ateides!
by Harlocks Balls
Dec 6th, 2007
12:44:28 PM
the interesting thing about Tolkien is:
by newc0253
Dec 6th, 2007
12:48:00 PM
I just wish...
by CatVutt
Dec 6th, 2007
12:48:55 PM
Religio-Phobes vs Atheist/Agnostics
by TVGuy Returns
Dec 6th, 2007
12:49:16 PM
as a man of faith...
by ArcadianDS
Dec 6th, 2007
12:59:41 PM
KevinWillis
by HailDaHypnoToad
Dec 6th, 2007
01:02:40 PM
TVGuy...
by Harlocks Balls
Dec 6th, 2007
01:30:40 PM
Beware the evil atheists!
by samsquanch
Dec 6th, 2007
01:42:31 PM
Spelt? Are you fucking serious?
by queerfilmjunkie
Dec 6th, 2007
01:45:20 PM
The Flaw in Those Who Know
by flossygomez
Dec 6th, 2007
01:52:42 PM
Lets try and remember....
by Cameron1
Dec 6th, 2007
01:53:58 PM
and no...
by flossygomez
Dec 6th, 2007
01:54:39 PM
No, Pulman was more concerned with the corruption of religion...
by KillaKane
Dec 6th, 2007
02:02:30 PM
Samsquanch
by HailDaHypnoToad
Dec 6th, 2007
02:04:36 PM
Pullman said Narnia was racist
by drewlicious
Dec 6th, 2007
02:09:28 PM
Agnostics...
by queerfilmjunkie
Dec 6th, 2007
02:10:32 PM
I'm an agnostic when it comes to wrinkle-free cotton.
by CatVutt
Dec 6th, 2007
02:18:10 PM
I'm agnostic, dyslexic and insomniac
by newc0253
Dec 6th, 2007
02:25:59 PM
Rotten Tomatoes: 40 reviews, 48% on the Tomatometer
by Curious_Jorge
Dec 6th, 2007
02:41:34 PM
agnostic
by oisin5199
Dec 6th, 2007
02:42:09 PM
"spelt" is still a legit usage
by chrth
Dec 6th, 2007
02:49:47 PM
I have an issue with *some* agnostics
by chrth
Dec 6th, 2007
02:56:32 PM
oisin5199: Spiritualist? (non-psychic variety)
by chrth
Dec 6th, 2007
02:57:14 PM
Christians! - Get A Grip!!
by Sagart1994
Dec 6th, 2007
03:08:01 PM
Frank Black
by Tai_Pan
Dec 6th, 2007
03:11:42 PM
Athiests are just in denial
by alienindisguise
Dec 6th, 2007
03:23:41 PM
Arms and legs
by SKULL1138
Dec 6th, 2007
03:25:29 PM
Great Reasoning
by Aquatarkusman
Dec 6th, 2007
03:25:33 PM
Edit
by SKULL1138
Dec 6th, 2007
03:27:59 PM
Aquatarkusman.
by CatVutt
Dec 6th, 2007
03:30:09 PM
And yes, 'spelt' is fine.
by CatVutt
Dec 6th, 2007
03:35:52 PM
Boycott vs. Censorship
by homer40
Dec 6th, 2007
03:41:55 PM
If you see one film this year, make it The Golden Compass!
by William Landis
Dec 6th, 2007
03:50:00 PM
Homer
by SKULL1138
Dec 6th, 2007
03:55:08 PM
homer40
by Massawyrm 1
Dec 6th, 2007
03:57:35 PM
It's not just Donohue
by chrth
Dec 6th, 2007
04:04:49 PM
i kinda hope it bombs too
by Rupee88
Dec 6th, 2007
04:19:37 PM
ATTN: There is a TB headline character limit
by thebearovingian
Dec 6th, 2007
04:32:10 PM
alienindisguise: Look up 'circular logic'
by samsquanch
Dec 6th, 2007
04:45:35 PM
I always wonder why religious people get so mad
by samsquanch
Dec 6th, 2007
04:57:31 PM
samsquanch
by uppercanuck
Dec 6th, 2007
05:10:31 PM
Fear
by SKULL1138
Dec 6th, 2007
05:13:03 PM
Proving
by SKULL1138
Dec 6th, 2007
05:27:23 PM
Thanks For The Excellent Review
by smallerdemon
Dec 6th, 2007
05:29:08 PM
'to illustarrte his beliefs'
by newc0253
Dec 6th, 2007
05:30:33 PM
Newc
by SKULL1138
Dec 6th, 2007
05:39:35 PM
You left out part of the name.
by jsm1978
Dec 6th, 2007
05:46:29 PM
irony about your review
by Mazzke
Dec 6th, 2007
05:46:47 PM
And for a couple other things...
by jsm1978
Dec 6th, 2007
05:48:31 PM
so then, jsm1978
by samsquanch
Dec 6th, 2007
05:52:44 PM
Proof
by jsm1978
Dec 6th, 2007
05:53:55 PM
samsquatch
by jsm1978
Dec 6th, 2007
05:54:58 PM
A & E
by SKULL1138
Dec 6th, 2007
05:56:38 PM
Massawyrm 1
by TruPhan
Dec 6th, 2007
06:01:44 PM
A & E
by jsm1978
Dec 6th, 2007
06:03:57 PM
Interaction
by SKULL1138
Dec 6th, 2007
06:05:38 PM
not to be too argumentative, but
by samsquanch
Dec 6th, 2007
06:07:20 PM
last post was to jsm1978
by samsquanch
Dec 6th, 2007
06:08:43 PM
last post was to jsm1978
by samsquanch
Dec 6th, 2007
06:08:45 PM
JSM
by SKULL1138
Dec 6th, 2007
06:10:46 PM
Why not?
by jsm1978
Dec 6th, 2007
06:13:27 PM
Tomorrow
by SKULL1138
Dec 6th, 2007
06:16:10 PM
Change?
by jsm1978
Dec 6th, 2007
06:17:57 PM
jsm1978
by TruPhan
Dec 6th, 2007
06:20:52 PM
I'm not asking them for myself
by jsm1978
Dec 6th, 2007
06:21:32 PM
Good question
by samsquanch
Dec 6th, 2007
06:26:08 PM
Well, as a Christian
by TruPhan
Dec 6th, 2007
06:27:16 PM
TruPhan
by Massawyrm 1
Dec 6th, 2007
06:28:52 PM
Don't get me wrong...
by jsm1978
Dec 6th, 2007
06:29:35 PM
People are going to get tired of seeing my name...
by jsm1978
Dec 6th, 2007
06:32:49 PM
Massawyrm 1
by TruPhan
Dec 6th, 2007
06:37:35 PM
How can they remove the anti-Christian theme?
by KCMOSHer
Dec 6th, 2007
06:44:41 PM
off
by jsm1978
Dec 6th, 2007
06:45:00 PM
I'm a Christian, a Christian (first name), and a Talkbacker
by chrth
Dec 6th, 2007
06:47:14 PM
"share my views on that than those that don't"
by chrth
Dec 6th, 2007
06:52:30 PM
Massawyrm, good review/comments
by gorydon
Dec 6th, 2007
06:53:13 PM
what a strange attitude
by samsquanch
Dec 6th, 2007
06:56:06 PM
"How can they remove the anti-Christian theme?"
by newc0253
Dec 6th, 2007
07:15:48 PM
Massawyrm: You Got Lots of Christian Talkbackers, Too
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 6th, 2007
07:16:10 PM
Where Morality Springs from, for an Atheist
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 6th, 2007
07:17:55 PM
I Used to Be An Atheist
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 6th, 2007
07:18:33 PM
Sure its only Islam which has crazy fundamentalists
by Miyamoto_Musashi
Dec 6th, 2007
07:18:59 PM
As a devil worshipper, i encourage you to boycott TGC
by newc0253
Dec 6th, 2007
07:19:30 PM
I Suck at Being a Christian
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 6th, 2007
07:22:36 PM
Miyamoto_Musashi
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 6th, 2007
07:24:17 PM
To Any Boycotters, I would Just say
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 6th, 2007
07:27:00 PM
hey kevin
by samsquanch
Dec 6th, 2007
07:33:42 PM
Lets settle LOTR once and for all!!
by carrotop361
Dec 6th, 2007
07:50:51 PM
one final note
by carrotop361
Dec 6th, 2007
07:54:18 PM
CarrotTop
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 6th, 2007
08:09:17 PM
Hey, Samsquanch
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 6th, 2007
08:12:02 PM
Feel sorry for the Pagans
by Miyamoto_Musashi
Dec 6th, 2007
08:17:07 PM
C.S. Lewis Described Lord of the Rings Thusly
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 6th, 2007
08:19:23 PM
Don't Forget the First Church of Climate Change
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 6th, 2007
08:21:39 PM
"Here are beauties which pierce like swords . . . "
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 6th, 2007
08:22:40 PM
kevinwillis.net
by carrotop361
Dec 6th, 2007
08:29:14 PM
CarrotTop: I Can Certainly See That
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 6th, 2007
08:35:44 PM
alienindisguise
by Clancy Van Lustbader
Dec 6th, 2007
08:57:08 PM
I'm not worried about Christians or Muslims
by Clancy Van Lustbader
Dec 6th, 2007
09:00:26 PM
I celebrate Christmas too...
by WickedMonster
Dec 6th, 2007
09:29:05 PM
Wow
by Harlocks Balls
Dec 6th, 2007
09:30:35 PM
I celebrate Christmas as the birth of my savior,
by chrth
Dec 6th, 2007
09:31:42 PM
With more serious reference to the discussion
by Clancy Van Lustbader
Dec 6th, 2007
09:33:22 PM
Why Boromir dies
by chrth
Dec 6th, 2007
09:33:57 PM
it was a joke chrt
by carrotop361
Dec 6th, 2007
09:40:41 PM
I Celebrate Christmas
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 6th, 2007
09:43:40 PM
Boromir Dies to Protect the Halflings
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 6th, 2007
09:45:07 PM
Clancy
by Harlocks Balls
Dec 6th, 2007
09:50:56 PM
Oh, and 'My captain, my King'
by Harlocks Balls
Dec 6th, 2007
09:52:05 PM
Foolish to compare to end of FOTR
by AntoniusBloc
Dec 6th, 2007
09:59:35 PM
Boromir's death was actually (IMO) the only
by chrth
Dec 6th, 2007
10:10:43 PM
It's up to Parents
by Harlocks Balls
Dec 6th, 2007
10:17:46 PM
Massawyrm's response to Truphan is BS
by AntoniusBloc
Dec 6th, 2007
10:21:22 PM
Destruction is Creative
by Harlocks Balls
Dec 6th, 2007
10:28:51 PM
He was 'always' right
by Harlocks Balls
Dec 6th, 2007
10:29:54 PM
Clancy, stop being intolerant
by AntoniusBloc
Dec 6th, 2007
10:41:12 PM
Harlocks, to quote Will Smith
by AntoniusBloc
Dec 6th, 2007
10:51:23 PM
Ha, ha, sorry, ha
by Harlocks Balls
Dec 6th, 2007
10:57:28 PM
quick and easy harlock balls
by carrotop361
Dec 6th, 2007
11:08:02 PM
I don't believe in Athiests
by hatespeech
Dec 6th, 2007
11:14:26 PM
Or, Tolkien and Lewis's Messages Were . . .
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 6th, 2007
11:14:34 PM
I'm Something of a Calvinist on The Issue of Faith
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 6th, 2007
11:20:12 PM
God is Just
by Harlocks Balls
Dec 6th, 2007
11:20:40 PM
The Physical Evidence for God
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 6th, 2007
11:21:53 PM
Antonius: I'm not pushing any specific agendas
by Clancy Van Lustbader
Dec 6th, 2007
11:23:54 PM
Because it was stupid?
by Harlocks Balls
Dec 6th, 2007
11:26:50 PM
Harlocks Balls
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 6th, 2007
11:29:56 PM
You're Actually Right, Harlock
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 6th, 2007
11:34:57 PM
Jesus Has Lots of Good Stuff to Say
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 6th, 2007
11:40:31 PM
God is Just
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 6th, 2007
11:44:42 PM
To kevinwillis' first reply
by Harlocks Balls
Dec 6th, 2007
11:47:25 PM
the are three choices for the orgin of matter
by carrotop361
Dec 6th, 2007
11:49:44 PM
the are three choices for the orgin of matter
by carrotop361
Dec 6th, 2007
11:49:47 PM
Clancy Van Lustbader, Communism is Secular
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 6th, 2007
11:54:00 PM
2nd law thermodynamics
by Harlocks Balls
Dec 6th, 2007
11:59:28 PM
Harlocks Balls, If You Erase a Line
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 7th, 2007
12:00:21 AM
Not even The Invasion?
by Harlocks Balls
Dec 7th, 2007
12:02:08 AM
I Personally Don't Think There is Incontrovertible Evidence for
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 7th, 2007
12:05:44 AM
I Will Boycott No Movie
by kevinwillis.net
Dec 7th, 2007
12:06:29 AM
Kevinwillis: No secular influence doesn't insure anything
by Clancy Van Lustbader
Dec 7th, 2007
12:17:51 AM
TGC opens with a Milton line.
by Lenny Nero
Dec 7th, 2007
12:27:02 AM
True Skepticism- David Hume's skepticism
by cromwell1666
Dec 7th, 2007
12:28:37 AM
Relativity and God
by cromwell1666
Dec 7th, 2007
12:37:00 AM
carrotop361, your reasoning is seriously convoluted......
by Kai_Mah'gra
Dec 7th, 2007
12:39:18 AM
......utlimately the whole debate and argument....
by Kai_Mah'gra
Dec 7th, 2007
12:47:30 AM
Don't be so sure that
by cromwell1666
Dec 7th, 2007
12:48:47 AM
Clancy- I disagree
by samsquanch
Dec 7th, 2007
01:05:25 AM
one caveat:
by samsquanch
Dec 7th, 2007
01:22:09 AM
Bombs away!
by thegreatwhatzit
Dec 7th, 2007
01:53:43 AM
WHAT WOULD JESUS DO?? HE'D SAY "WHO CARES."
by TheDohDoh
Dec 7th, 2007
02:02:42 AM
Samsquanch: Your points are very valid
by Clancy Van Lustbader
Dec 7th, 2007
02:17:43 AM
how can something be 'very valid'?
by newc0253
Dec 7th, 2007
03:40:16 AM
Today
by SKULL1138
Dec 7th, 2007
04:30:29 AM
Mandalorian
by SKULL1138
Dec 7th, 2007
05:01:27 AM
Christians eat the lions yet again
by HarryBlackPotter
Dec 7th, 2007
06:43:50 AM
"Worst. Idea. Ever." Actually, it wasn't
by chrth
Dec 7th, 2007
08:07:46 AM
only....your wrong chrth
by carrotop361
Dec 7th, 2007
08:17:06 AM
God isn't a physical being
by TruPhan
Dec 7th, 2007
08:17:30 AM
But if someone sold you an invisible bridge
by Harlocks Balls
Dec 7th, 2007
08:27:08 AM
'Cosmic Vomit'
by jsm1978
Dec 7th, 2007
09:13:25 AM
great reply, Clancy
by samsquanch
Dec 7th, 2007
09:25:02 AM
Summing up
by HailDaHypnoToad
Dec 7th, 2007
09:41:26 AM
Moses
by SKULL1138
Dec 7th, 2007
09:53:25 AM
Big Bang
by SKULL1138
Dec 7th, 2007
10:04:44 AM
Catholics support the Big Bang & SKULL1138
by chrth
Dec 7th, 2007
10:36:24 AM
chrth
by SKULL1138
Dec 7th, 2007
10:46:59 AM
the Big Band bandwagon?
by newc0253
Dec 7th, 2007
10:47:17 AM
Oh and Moses
by chrth
Dec 7th, 2007
10:47:19 AM
And some info from Wiki (consider the source)
by chrth
Dec 7th, 2007
10:48:18 AM
Newton discovered Gravity, he also believed in goblins:
by newc0253
Dec 7th, 2007
10:49:18 AM
Big Band bandwagon: Just Duke Ellington
by chrth
Dec 7th, 2007
10:49:44 AM
Newton was actually devoutly religious
by chrth
Dec 7th, 2007
10:53:13 AM
yes, devoutly religious
by newc0253
Dec 7th, 2007
10:56:33 AM
Does anyone realize...
by WickedMonster
Dec 7th, 2007
11:46:25 AM
Samsquanch
by Captain Mal
Dec 7th, 2007
11:47:40 AM
I have a hard time believing that people don't believe in God
by Kloipy
Dec 7th, 2007
12:13:57 PM
From a Christian perspective
by AntoniusBloc
Dec 7th, 2007
12:14:32 PM
Boycott
by homer40
Dec 7th, 2007
12:56:20 PM
Kloipy, interesting post
by samsquanch
Dec 7th, 2007
01:03:29 PM
Samsquanch
by AntoniusBloc
Dec 7th, 2007
01:19:46 PM
evolution is 'just a theory'?
by newc0253
Dec 7th, 2007
01:35:38 PM
I'm Glad You're Using That Artwork More Often
by Kragmose
Dec 7th, 2007
01:48:24 PM
samsquanch
by Kloipy
Dec 7th, 2007
02:22:51 PM
Yourdaemon.com
by YourDaemon
Dec 7th, 2007
02:55:22 PM
Antonius
by samsquanch
Dec 7th, 2007
02:56:46 PM
Cheers Kloipy
by samsquanch
Dec 7th, 2007
02:59:47 PM
I'd just like to live in a world
by Kloipy
Dec 7th, 2007
03:03:10 PM
amen to that, brother.
by samsquanch
Dec 7th, 2007
03:06:47 PM
Kloipy, I really hope you were joking about the 10%
by chrth
Dec 7th, 2007
04:04:33 PM
carrotop36: "No one on earth..."
by Billy Goat
Dec 7th, 2007
05:30:00 PM
Link: Things Christians & atheists must agree on
by Billy Goat
Dec 7th, 2007
05:37:24 PM
tsk tsk tsk, samsquatch
by jsm1978
Dec 7th, 2007
06:00:57 PM
Where do the un-religious get morals
by Billy Goat
Dec 7th, 2007
06:01:06 PM
As for the "just a theory"...
by jsm1978
Dec 7th, 2007
06:03:21 PM
Logic
by jsm1978
Dec 7th, 2007
06:06:15 PM
Billy Goat
by carrotop361
Dec 7th, 2007
06:39:02 PM
Religion is a crutch for the weak
by BrowncoatJedi
Dec 7th, 2007
08:05:36 PM
Carrotop, watch the words there.
by Lenny Nero
Dec 7th, 2007
08:20:15 PM
The problem with Pullman's works:
by drJames
Dec 7th, 2007
09:20:40 PM
having said that...
by drJames
Dec 7th, 2007
09:38:11 PM
sorry Lenny. your right
by carrotop361
Dec 7th, 2007
11:11:19 PM
The problem with Pullman's writing PtII
by irritable
Dec 8th, 2007
02:17:55 AM
Why Christians Get Kicked In the Nuts and Jews Don't...
by micturatingbenjamin
Dec 8th, 2007
02:18:28 AM
"if it bothers you don't let your kids read the books"
by Immortal_Fish
Dec 8th, 2007
10:10:15 AM
DOES ANYONE CARE?
by moviemo
Dec 9th, 2007
12:44:11 AM
TEST
by Seph_J
Dec 9th, 2007
07:25:40 AM
Kloipy
by Kizeesh
Dec 9th, 2007
11:34:22 AM
paragraph breaks are cool, let's try them out
by polyh3dron
Dec 9th, 2007
03:32:50 PM
Kizeesh
by Kloipy
Dec 10th, 2007
07:19:15 AM
Kloipy, my faith is in other people.
by Lenny Nero
Dec 10th, 2007
01:22:03 PM
Kloipy: meaning
by Billy Goat
Dec 10th, 2007
05:38:39 PM
Billy Goat, you aren't missing the point
by Immortal_Fish
Dec 10th, 2007
08:49:35 PM
Samsquanch, Browncoat Jedi, Pullman, and mictoratingbenjamin an
by AntoniusBloc
Dec 10th, 2007
09:39:17 PM
Immortal_Fish, a word:
by Lenny Nero
Dec 11th, 2007
12:30:26 AM
Lenny Nero and Billy Goat
by Kloipy
Dec 11th, 2007
02:41:03 PM
Also you can't rely on science
by Kloipy
Dec 11th, 2007
03:00:11 PM

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