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Did Morgan Spurlock sit down interview with Osama? More importantly - did he whip out a .45 and shoot him?
Harry here... I don't know how likely this is... and with the news breaking today - there's probably a good chance that Morgan Spurlock is on his way to Gitmo where he will not be tortured for days and days until he gives them every detail of this joke or stunning accomplishment. If he did find Osama... if he did interview with him - then this would be the single most embarrassing failure of the entire Bush Administration... when the McDonald's Diet guy can find Osama... and the entire joint world intelligence forces can't... then there's something extremely fucked up. Then again... it could be a horrifying joke... which would end Morgan's career... But frankly - if he did get it - they shouldn't screen at Sundance. They should PAY-PER-VIEW the damn thing after a massive marketing campaign... cuz the second that footage gets out - and the Weinstein company in the past year has had a horrible series of Internet Pre-Release leaks of entire films - and this would be huge, for the short time that it would be available exclusively in their control. What do you people think about WHERE IN THE WORLD IS OSAMA bin LADEN?
CreepyThinMan here, I saw this on MSNBC and thought you might be a little interested......
Did Morgan Spurlock find Osama bin Laden?
15 minutes of footage shown at film fest sparks bidding war, speculation
Rumors are flying that filmmaker Morgan Spurlock of "Super Size Me" fame may have done what the United States government has failed to do for the last six years — find Osama bin Laden.
The speculation first began at the Berlin International Film Festival in February, where Spurlock showed a select group of potential buyers 15 minutes of footage from his new documentary, "Where in the World Is Osama bin Laden?" The film follows Spurlock through the Middle East in his search for the elusive leader of al-Qaida. According to Slashfilm.com, The Weinstein Co. quickly snapped up the picture after seeing the clips.
Adding to the belief, Daniel Marracino, the film's director of photography, is quoted in Variety, saying of the movie, "We've definitely got the Holy Grail."
Whether this is just a genius publicity ploy or if Spurlock actually found bin Laden has yet to be revealed, but the answer should come next year, when the documentary is slated to premiere at the Sundance Film Festival.
I've Been checking this out and allegedly the Weinstein's have dropped 25 million on Spurlock for the movie based on these 15 minutes alone. Now if this is true then it would be the MOTHER of all Documentaries and will have done what the ENTIRE U.S. Goverment couldn't or wouldn't do. There is some speculation about this all being a cocktease but promising something this big and shafting people is like picking up Heather Graham at a bar, looking the way she did in Anger Management, getting her home and finding out she has a cock.
15 minutes of footage shown at film fest sparks bidding war, speculation
Rumors are flying that filmmaker Morgan Spurlock of "Super Size Me" fame may have done what the United States government has failed to do for the last six years — find Osama bin Laden.
The speculation first began at the Berlin International Film Festival in February, where Spurlock showed a select group of potential buyers 15 minutes of footage from his new documentary, "Where in the World Is Osama bin Laden?" The film follows Spurlock through the Middle East in his search for the elusive leader of al-Qaida. According to Slashfilm.com, The Weinstein Co. quickly snapped up the picture after seeing the clips.
Adding to the belief, Daniel Marracino, the film's director of photography, is quoted in Variety, saying of the movie, "We've definitely got the Holy Grail."
Whether this is just a genius publicity ploy or if Spurlock actually found bin Laden has yet to be revealed, but the answer should come next year, when the documentary is slated to premiere at the Sundance Film Festival.
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prob not, read the article.
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but I would hate this guy if he didn't try and kill osama or at least tip off the CIA after. Should be executed for treason in that case.
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Spurlock caught footage but he didn't interview him
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I can feel it.
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Too soon?
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They were quite happy to fly the rest of Osama's family out of the country following the 9/11 attacks...
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but if true, it would be awesome. Not the lame ass awesomeness of these bogus Cloverfield "reviews". I mean, it would be so AWESOME that it could tear the very fabric of the universe and send back Michael Moore to his fake home movies.
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They just don't give a fuck. But if he really did interview him he. This will be quite a embarrassment for the Bush Administration.
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I doubt Mr. Super size me is truthful... but then again that 25 mill (if true) lends some credence.
More importantly- IF HE DIDN'T SHOOT HIM THEN WHY DIDN'T HE TELL THE MILITARY SO THEY COULD SHOOT HIM!!!
If he did get the interview and did not help the military, he should, frankly, be put on trial.
And if he did, then yes it is extremely embarrassing.
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I've been looking forward to this movie since hearing about it, I'm sure it's pretty interesting. But that footage screened 10 months ago. You think they could keep it a secret that long? You think they'd WANT to keep it a secret? If it was something amazing like that I don't think they'd be so concerned about waiting for the right release date.
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clinton also said that the u.s. would not rest until they found bin laden after they bombed that naval ship in the gulf. so it's actually been over a decade since we've been looking for him.
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Think for a moment. If Spurlock really did talk to bin Laden, don't you think that he would be 1)searched first for weapons by bin Laden supporters, and 2) whisked in and out of wherever the hell bin Laden was while blindfolded by said followers? By far, the more important question would be, is documentary/journalistic/popular interest in interviewing arch-terrorists a good or bad thing? I'm on the fence.
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The US government is starting to get pissed at movies already most likely (flags of our fathers, any michael moore movie), and with all this shit coming up, they are gonna be pissed. Also, in unrelated news, im still choose my words wisely when i talk on the phone.
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My bet is on Spurlock finding the guy in a village but not getting a word with him. They are definitely keeping this project hush (besides the "holy grail" line, which might end up hurting this flick if it doesn't deliver). I don't see why Weinstein would pay $25 milla for this without some crazy footage though. Also, wouldn't the government step in and take hold of the footage? I think that's against the law to hold out proof of the whereabouts of the FBI's number one man. Lastly, THE US GOVERNMENT DOESN'T WANT TO FIND THIS FUCKER. He's not even on the Nightly News anymore. So if Spurlock found him, that means not only was the government not looking, but neither was the mainstream fucking media. Wouldn't be surprised. Either way, this flick is going to rile up the debate over Osama and WE FUCKING NEED THAT TALK TO START AGAIN.
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...gonna 'splode!
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I look forward to the loony "Truthers" vs the loony Right Wing Zealots this TB will invariably attract.
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Isn't that what the US Government is offering for Osama's whereabouts? (I always knew that Weinstein humped for The Company...)
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searching for the 'real killers'.. Ain't shit happening.
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Dec 05, 2007 4:24:21 PM CST
Yeah, cause murdering one guy will save the world
by guy who got a headache and accidentally
Especially when its an old guy in a cave with pancreatic cancer or whatever. Is killing him really going to make all you sociopaths feel good and make you feel like this whole shitty war that's killed fuck knows how many people was all worth it?
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With Shia la Boof as Osama.
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What's with the long beard? Did join some organization Spurlock? Did he grow it to fit in and help him reach Osama?Hmm...http://tinyurl.com/33obeu
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the gov doesn't know where he is. If they wanted to find him they could. We can land a probe on an asteroid whipping through space millions of miles away. They don't want to find him. They want him to go to Iran so it gives us more reason to turn the place into glass.
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This is the viral campaign.
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he exist the dude is a hero in his own country. People have been praising his name since the 70's Your argument is pretty lame. I'm not trying to start shit. But if thats all you got then sorry man.
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What the fuck are you trying to say? If Morgan Spurlok found Bin Ladin then he should have called a press conferance, then casually whipped Bin Ladins head out of a cooler and screamed "FUCK YOU ALL, I AM YOUR GOD." Thrown it at the press corp and fly out of the room.
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A mutated Osama is either the monster in Cloverfield, or this documentary is really about the Ledgeoker.
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Probably wouldn't have stopped 9/11, and ain't going to stop Islamic Jihad. Interviewing Osama Bin Ladin . . . why, what would he say? "Vote Hillary, 08!"
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That would be a more interesting movie. Supersize me wasn't bad, although I thought Morgan came off like a douchebag.
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Dec 05, 2007 4:34:48 PM CST
Bin Ladin, strangely not a fan of the McRib sandwich.
by quin the eskimo
HUGE fan of the Care Bears and My Buddy though. Weird, I know!
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So fuck u all!
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at a Mickey D's.Word Up.
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For a second there, I thought it was Osama, until he whipped off the fake beard and started rapping about beating the shit out of his wife.
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Of Spurlock's doctor advising to stop searching for Osama. "Stop doing it, man. You're killing yourself! This is terrible for your health."
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There is no jihad. No terrorism. It's amazing what junk food and sugar is doing to those kids! Bless you, Morgan Spurlock!
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Dec 05, 2007 4:38:30 PM CST
Come on, most of us would probably still fuck heather gram
by s0nicdeathmonkey
cock or no. Who wouldn't want a shot at that ass?
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An Osama Bin Ladin every day for the last thirty years. And he's skinny, and in great shape! It sort of undermines the thesis of the film--that eating too many processed terrorist leaders is bad for your health--but it's so cool that this guy eats a whole Osama Bin Ladin every day that he just has to leave it in the film.
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Some guys have all the luck.
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He's in this TalkBack. Now, was that so hard?
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Hmmmm....
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and I didn't really BELIEVE him, know what I mean? Fuck Kevin Smith for starting this lazy indie film movement. FUCK HIM
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Who wants to catch Osama anyways?Surely not the Bush gang!
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"Super size THIS, bitch!" and then shoots that bastid right in the head! Now THAT would be worth $25 million!
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for BNAT. He'll be handing out delicious candy after Cloverfield, and will perform a selection of songs from Walk Hard as well. And then, when your eyelids are beginning to droop and you start to doze, he'll sodomize you and give you AIDS, just to keep you pepped. He's that kind of team player.
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Its actually called Where in the World is Barrack Obama. ***Spoiler*** He's hanging out with Carmen Sandiego, Waldo, and Matt Lauer, and oddly enough Joanie Laurer (Chyna).
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Are you referring to the U.S.S. Cole bombing? The one that took place in October 2000 (not over a decade ago)? The one that happened just 3 months before Clinton left office? Too bad Bush didn't continue the regular meetings on Bin Laden and Al Qaeda that the previous administration had. Who knows what would have (or what wouldn't have) had happened.
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Why stop there? Let's take out Africa, Australia, Europe, and both Americas while we are at it. That'll show 'em.
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She's dead. Thank you for bringing up such a painful memory.
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from 09-09-01 about how 2 men with Hungarian passports had killed Osama?
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WITH OSAMA, DICK CHENEY AND THE POPE. KUCINIICH 2008.
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Is this like last February when James Cameron found Jesus?
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bit too far. Genocide humor requires a light touch.
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If he knew where he was then he should have done his patriotic duty and tell the government. He should be shot on sight for being a traitor to America IF he never told the US intelligence.
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YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
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Dec 05, 2007 5:14:40 PM CST
Wouldn't the government know Spurlock's every move?
by the winged doucheman
If a semi-high profile tourist is in the Middle East to film a documentary, wouldn't the CIA be all over that shit?
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Like the ones who outed a CIA agent to get back at her husband or the ones who actually had Osama cornered in Tora Bora and let him go so they could start an illegal and immoral war that killed almost 4000 American soldiers for no good fucking reason? You mean like that? Douche.
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Said he'd go get him if the money was right, then he proceeded to shout out racist slurs as he motorboated Beth's tig ol bitties.
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I've been searching for him a lot longer than the U.S has been looking for Osama.
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Look at all of the manhunts that plague Fox News day and night. What the fuck, the Peterson murder or whatever. And OJ. But they don't ever ask WHY AREN'T WE LOOKING FOR OSAMA. Because it's a fucking cover up. I agree with Mos Def when he says Osama probably doesn't even exist and more probably wasn't behind 9/11. He's just a boogeyman. My cock can make a more believable tape and record a more believable audio threat. Fuck the current U.S. administration. They need to be raided and put on the shooting line.
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WHAT THE FUCK. PLENTY OF JOURNALISTS HAVE INTERVIEWED "VILLAINS" OF THE UNITED STATES. It's not their job to arrest these motherfuckers. The Bush Administration has sold this country's fucking soul and they are the ones who are goddamn filthy fucking traitors to the nation and its citizens. Somebody needs to spank Jenna Bush....Spurlock?
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..I'd say that as many people here believe this is true as there are writers working on new scripts for U.S television shows at the moment.
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... we know exactly where Bin Laden is. He's in Pakistan. Do you know why we can't go in and get him? Because Pakistan has nuclear weapons and Pakistani people hate India. The current president of Pakistan may be a douchebag, but he keeps others in Pakistan from launching nuclear weapons at India and start a Holy War which would erupt into catastrophic war. If we were to go into the Taliban areas of Pakistan and get Bin Laden, it would throw the country into chaos and put someone like Bin Laden in power with his finger on the buttonHarry, I know you're a sheep when it comes to politics and really have no opinions which are truly your own, and believe me, there is plenty to goose the Bush administration about, but not going in and getting Bin Laden with the threat of nuclear war in Pakistan and India hanging around is actually not one of them.Yes, it sucks we can't go in and get him, but the consequences of doing so would be great indeed.You want further proof of your sheeple statis? You're so quick to blame Bush for this, but refuse to acknowledge that if Clinton had just done what he was charged with doing as Commander in Chief and President of the United States and killed Bin Laden when he had the chance, then there would have been no 9/11. Bush wouldn't have made it past 4 years, and the world would be a much different place.But you're such a left-wing sheeple (just as bad as a right-wing sheeple) that you're too blinded by your sheepish ideology to understand that.
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I mean, she's getting older and she still looks the same. That doesn't happen which chicks. Ergo, therefore, henceforth...
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Unless your moralistic values just flew out the window and you wish to end up in fucking hell for eternity. That's my moralistic values anyway, others will sell their soul to get that story. I understand people have done this but I only wish they had more value for their own soul before selling it.
"If you could go back in time to Germany, before Hitler came to power, knowing what you know now, would you kill him?"
That question was just asked to Spurlock if this is true and we know his answer.Next person who sees Osama, piss on his bullet ridden face for me and even deficate for a better effect. -
Behind Heather Graham's cock.
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Yeah fucking right dude. If Pakistan knowingly harbored Bin Laden, the entire world would decry that they flush that fucker out. He's the FBI's Most wanted criminal since 2001. The fact that we don't hear about the guy who hypothetically destroyed the World Trade Center and orchestrated a plane into the Pentagon on any mainstream news station is a goddamn conspiracy. I hear more about Don Imus than bin laden, and in the stream of history, that is ridiculous. I'd love to see a report of how many press releases the Bush administration has put out in 2007 regarding bin laden's whereabouts. If anyone has such info, let me know.
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... YOU are another sheeple. By your logic, if you commit murder, your family are guilty by their association with you. Do you even know that the Bin Laden family disowned Osama long ago? That they haven't had anything to do with him for over 20 years?You know what, photoboy, instead of relying on the notorious liar, Michael Moore, for your information, why don't you actually find stuff out for yourself and throw off the yoke of your sheepdom.Idiot.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6898075.stm
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dude that's so fucking hot.
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While I agree with you that Harry (or very good with prepositions--"Did Morgan Spurlock sit down interview Osama?" did he indeed, Harry) isn't always great at the ol' critical thinking, I think that it's probably unfair to blame Clinton for 9/11 just because he didn't kill bin Laden "when he had the chance." The guy was at the end of his presidency, and was being hammered left and right for what overt actions were being taken on the theory that he was merely trying to distract the nation from the investigation into his personal life. Perfectly reasonable in such a situation to punt to the next president; it's just hindsight that makes it look like a bad call now. Moreover, I think your argument suffers from the false assumption that the US can do anything it wants, just so long as the political leadership decides to do it. It's not clear that we *could* have killed bin Laden in 2000; nor is it clear that that would have stopped 9/11, anyway. The US ain't all-powerful by a long shot, as your discussion of why we don't intervene in Pakistan makes clear.
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... well, they made a South Park episode all about YOU.Get some help, man, and lay off the copious amounts of weed. It may grow in the ground, but it does not do the body good.
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Killing Hitler may have actually prevented World War II and its peripheral atrocities, whereas killing Bin Laden would not stop terrorism. Besides, killing Hitler? Isn't that rather extreme? Wouldn't it be more virtuous to work with him diplomatically, restore some of "Germany's" land and rewrite the Treaty of Versailles whilst making sure his more genocidal, megalomaniacal policies were stopped dead before they ever began? I suppose it would take less work to shoot the fucker, but then who's the fascist?
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Um, unless Spurlock both actually did interview bin Laden AND has a time machine, your comparison to an interview with a pre-3rd Reich Hitler is way inapt. Killing bin Laden now won't undo 9/11. Just like when Hitler committed suicide, it didn't undo the second world war.
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He criticized McDonalds! That's like criticizing Christianity and the flag and apple pie! or McDonalds apple pie... with a flag stuck in it... at church! You can't believe anything that guy says! Waaahhh!!!!
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One sherson, two sheeple? How is Harry a sheeple?
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that doesn't mean he knows where Bin Laden is. Haven't any of you heard of blindfolds?
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Tom Cruise with an eye patch.
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Looks like you beat me to the argument. Montypigeon's thinking is screwy for another reason, too: the whole "would you kill hitler to stop the holocaust" thought experiment isn't particularly meaningful. I mean, offer anybody a choice between one death on one side and tens of millions on the other--that's not a very thorny moral question. And it's a question that we never encounter in real life, because we can't ever really know what will happen next, or what would have happened if we acted differently. At best, we can make guesses--some stupid, some well-informed--and make moral decisions based on those. That's why moral decisionmaking is so hard. And why Montypigeon's thought experiment is really just a retreat into an irrelevant artificial simplicity. It's dangerous to think like that.
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On Osama though, he should be shot dead at first sighting. Radical Islam worship him like a prophet and that's a dangerous thing to have alive in this world. It wouldn't stop Terrorism but the satisfaction alone of his death would be cheered and welcomed by millions upon millions. Sometimes the good guy has to win, don't they?
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I still think Osama should be shot dead on the spot by anyone who has the balls to do it. The man is still dangerous, pulling the strings behind that terrorist group. Those strings need to be cut or 9/11 will look like a picnic compared to what may happen (If it ever does).
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makes no sense. why kill hitler when you could go back and kill kaiser wilhelm, which would prevent ww1 causing the economic disaster that gave hitler power? why stop there? why not go back and kill napoleon to prevent the conflict that shaped modern europe? why stop there, go back and kill charlemagne to break the holy roman empire. or go back and hand a roman caesar the ingredients for gunpowder so they rule the entire world for a thousand years. and so on. what a stupid, unthinking concept. "would you kill hitler". fuck off idiot.
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For one, I don't think Osama is that stupid. Some American wants to interview him, even one critical of the Bush admin? Like he or his cronies would ever let Spurlock get that close. Two, I seriously doubt Spurlock would have been able to find that guy all by himself or with himself and his few film crew guys. There have been vigilantes that have tried the same thing and failed. There's a massive bounty on the guy's head, so don't think for a second that others haven't tried. In the incredibly rare event that Spurlock did find him long enough to film him, or even interviewed, then he should have his head smashed in if he didn't try tipping off the authorities to the location. Hate the Bush admin all you want, but don't let that blind you to the fact that Osama is a murdering monster who needs to die.
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Yeah! And God bless Morgan Spurlock! He's everything Michael Moore isn't: a fair and un-biased doco-journalist. (and I like Mr. Moore, but man, the bastard is biased and mean-spirited!) And don't tell me Dan Rather or Katie Couric or whoever isn't foaming at the mouth at the thought of being scooped on the interview of the millenium...
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I can't decide what makes more sense! Blaming Clinton for 9/11, or Heather Graham's cock? What a mix-up!
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Uh...Bin Laden's real. He's a real, really real rich kid with a mad on for the US after we shafted the fucking Taliban by letting them swing in the breeze, right after we helped them...like we did in Chile, you see.I'm NOT naive. I understand that our government, and country, to survive, has to destabilize those who would fuck us in the ass without a second thought. But, as many people neglect to mention, Bin Laden was a buddy of ours during the Reagan administration because they were fighting the Russians. We did our best to fuck over the commies by playing the 'enemy of my enemy' game.The problem with that is while we can fuck over France and Spain and Italy with regularity, because they understand that they can fuck with us in political ways all over the world and 'count coup' on us while we do the same to them. We can fuck over the Russians with the frequency of Lucy pulling away the football, as well. In the case of the Middle East, they still are PISSED about the Crusades. I mean shit. Come the fuck on, get over it. But, the CIA misjudged the allies of this 'derka derka' and is ability to garner support from angry marginalized students and dirt-worshipping cunts all over the world. Yes, I'm a little prejudiced about religious nutbags, but I also call the fucking WWJD morons cunts all the time as well. This feeble clutching for an invisible daddy figure falls onto the heads of all who choose to remain ignorant, or allow someone to determine their thought process.In case someone wants to call me insensitive to the Muslim faith, fine, do so, but please do so with the understanding that I think that everyone who uses God as an excuse to be an asshole needs to be culled from the herd.Finally, Bin Laden is a real guy, but his cult of personality is raised by our demonizing of him, like the former Qadaffi. We did that, we made him a badass, he was mostly talk until we vilified him. If Morgan Spurlock found this fucking douche, it's NOT his job to fucking shoot Bin Laden. Just like it wasn't Dan Rather's job to fucking SHOOT CASTRO. It's not the reporter's job to be an assassin....No the fucking idiot in the White House...THAT IS HIS JOB. And this proves (if it's OBL) that he CAN be found...with investigative processes, not bombing his enemies, and acceding to his demands...Yeah, remember we took out our base in Saudi Arabia, because HE TOLD US TO, we caved like the fucking accordians we are. His demands have been met: No more bases in SA, no more Iraqi oil flooding the market, no pipeline to the Caspian...all of these things were scrubbed because of Bush Jr's lack of fucking brains and will to do the right thing.
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Me or Stephen King? :P
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I don't think that killing bin Laden would do very much to "that terrorist group." Terrorist organizations are not like states; you can't simply eliminate their leadership and expect it to have much of an impact. The whole reason that terrorist organizations are dangerous is because they are diffuse and disorganized. This makes them hard to fight, and difficult to predict. Basically, what's happening is that the price of conflict has gotten very low. The cost of communication, coordination, weaponry, and information on how to destroy things has dropped quite a bit over the past century, to the point now where pretty much anybody can afford to learn on the internet how to cause some mayhem, put together a bomb, and coordinate with a few like-minded buddies in setting it off. Bin Laden doesn't need to be--and really isn't--involved. Moreover, killing him would just make him more of a hero and an inspiration, inspiring more otherwise innoccuous people to blow stuff up. Instead, I'd favor capturing, running him through a carefully stage-managed trial, and then locking him up in the ultramax for the rest of his life. We'd dribble out occasional photos of him playing checkers and eating whitebread sandwiches off of cafeteria lunch trays, and the world's last memories of the guy would be of a silly, befuddled old man. Who would want to die for him then?
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That's the only other outcome that wouldn't suck. I personally think he got his interview.
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I heard this one a few months ago.
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I am glad to see that at least one person posting in this talkback is using their brain. I was surprised to see an intelligent post sandwiched between the comedy that is the neo-liberal point of view and Heather Graham with a cock.
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All I wanted was Spurlock to have informed the government about his whereabouts instead of interviewing him or even (which I think happened) a slight glimpse of him on film. As long as he dies in jail or not, that's fine by me. As you say, it wouldn't stop that Terror group and yes he would become a hero to the nutcases. Who would then probably use the day of his death as ceremonial day to put others to death in his name. Sad, sad world we live in.
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Morgan Spurlock is an acclaimed documentary filmmaker, best known for exposing a deceptive symbol of Western Capitalism, McDonalds. Such a figure could be trusted to interview Osama bin Laden.
There is only one way in which this interview could have happened. Spurlock, by this point heavily immersed in Arab culture, put word out amongst Pakistani tribal leaders. Once the regime was able to verify the nature of the project, they probably kidnapped Spurlock in the middle of the night, blindfolded him, and brought him and his equipment to the tribal regions of northern Pakistan. Such tactics would remove any threat he would pose to bin Laden.
Do I root for our forces in the struggle to kick Al Queda's ass? Of course. Every patriotic American does. But Mr. Spurlock has the right, as a respectable documentary filmmaker, to deliver an unbiased story from angles unseen before. Don't waterboard him. He didn't find bin Laden. It was bin Laden that found him. -
a publicity stunt. How thehell did supersize me guy find Osama? Fuck Spurlock, fuck him up his stupid ass! Oh and someone mentioned Kucinich.... I would do everything to his wife..... and I mean everything.....
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That seems to be the popular consensus after those farce videos were released in September (most of the "video" is a still shot of footage that looks similar to footage from 2004)
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I don't think that word means what you think it means. Neoliberalism generally has to do with a sort of free-tradey internationalism. Market solutions, that sort of thing. I'll admit, I've been skimming most of the posts here, but I don't think anybody is talking about that.
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and he only agreed to meet with Morgan because he was promised a McGriddle.... It's really hard to find one in the Kashmire region and those fucking things are addictive...
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Morgan Spurlock may be doing his own documentary dealing with something in the volatile middle east, but there's no way he sat down and interviewed Bin Laden over a couple of Happy Meals. UNLESS Osama hates McDonalds as much as he acts like he hates the rest of Western culture. In which case, he may very well have an affinity for Supersize Me!
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If I had located Bin Laden, I wouldn't have brought him in. Just keep monitoring his position and his communication. The Allies didn't announce they cracked Enigma, if you find Bin Laden, keep an eye on him.
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...wouldn't you be out there viral marketing the fuck out of your film so that you can make your money back?
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when I say that yes I would fuck Heather Graham even if she had a cock. I'd give her a reach around and all, She is that hot. Do we have cock confirmage? Anyone?
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True, Spurlock isn't up to the Ken Burns level, but he is willing to put himself on the line. I think this could be a fascinating film.
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Damn them for adding the CGI Osama shooting first.
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mentioned Afghanistan, but not Iraq. Hmm... I wonder if someone has started releasing a Best of Osama collection.
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There are hundreds, HUNDREDS of cases where journalists have somehow gotten access to people the government can't get. Never, ever forget that terrorists, dictators, and high profile criminals are publicity sluts. They have taken reporters, blindfolded them, and brought them into the deepest recesses of Hammas, Islamic Jihad, and any number of places. This is far from shocking. It's business, and it's the job of an self respecting journalist. Or have we forgotten that in tis day and age when FUX News touts the party line like gospel and never, ever asks any questions.
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... it's a joke.
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Dec 05, 2007 6:51:03 PM CST
"He didn't find bin Laden. It was bin Laden that found him."
by montypigeon
Interesting, ConquestMelee. Now you got me thinking that this could be the case. It would work more favourable for Osama to show up the US media this way and it's government.
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"... but it was sort of sad the alcoholic mother couldn't turn her daughter's life around ... do you know if she's still drinking? And single?"
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Dec 05, 2007 6:56:09 PM CST
Dog The Bounty Hunter Said he'd go get him if the money was righ
by canopus
Did he really say that? Aren't they offering over 20 mil for him dead or alive, the money doesn't get much righter than that. Anyway, I think it's possible it might be true, but if he got within ten miles of him, he would have been surrounded by Osama's security guards, and true believers that love him, so he wouldn't be able to try anything. After the interview, Bin Laden would be gone from whatever area they had been in. Who knows, maybe Osama is in U.S. confinement somewhere, ready to be whipped out when Bush hits 13 percent in the polls.
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like they tried on Farenheit 911- that didn't work to good for them
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But I'm wondering Bush is waiting for the day after election day '08 to reveal it, as a giant F U to the Republicans that abandoned him when his numbers dropped.
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The fucker hasn't been seen in years and he had a fucking reality star level need to be on TV. Any footage or audio that surfaces is always found out to be spliced from old footage or unconfirmable as him. The Republitards know this but they're smart enough to realize without a boogeyman to "chase" they can't push through their raping of the constitution.
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are we talking fat Spurlock or skinny Spurlock?
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What about neoneoism? Sheesh, try to keep up, guys.
Systembroom, don't come around here will all yer fancy book learnin' and politically accurate syntax and your obviously superior ability to understand the english language and expect us to listen to you. What are you, a fag? -
terms like "Republitards" and "Democraps" are the same nitwits that foisted nicknames like "Dubya" and "Slick Willie" onto the world. The McDonaldization of political discourse, you could say. Grow up, folks and get a real opinion... not a fucking bumper-sticker opinion.
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my mistake buddy, my mom's doing the actual typing because she's the one with a third grade ejicashun.
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If this is true (and I for one don't believe it is, the MOST they'll have is footage of him), then not only should you, yes you, the voters that inexplicably put that idiot in charge of your country for a second time, DEMAND his resignation but you need to seriously re-evaluate the entire command and control structure for your whole military and intelligence agencies. Because if a weirdly bearded film documentary maker succeeded in doing what the allegedly most powerful nation in history couldn't do and find a another equally weirdly bearded man in a cave somewhere, then not only did Bush piss away all that deserved goodwill you had from nearly the whole world after 9-11, he has presided over what can only be described as the world greatest ever cock up and made your great nation look very, very stupid.
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I was not refering to neoliberalism, I was making a jab at the people refering to "neo-cons." Sorry for the mix up.
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We don't have to take advice from the UK anymore.
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Ungrateful Brits.
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nope, not a fag--just bored at work. Left-handed compliments appreciated, though.
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Weird how that happened.
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Dec 05, 2007 7:25:49 PM CST
I'm waayyy liberal, but if he found him and didn't turn him in
by modlight
he is a traitor. I love Morgan Spurlock, I love his shows, his politics, but if he got that close and didn't share it with government so they could get him... damn. If for no other reason, how awesome would it be to shove it in this administrations face that a NY liberal artist is the one that managed to finally find that criminal son of a bitch, and it would prove this whole war was a waste.
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no worries. I just get concerned that people are going to warren g. harding their way into referring to *all* contemporary democrats/liberals/progressives whatever as "neoliberals" the same way they started calling all contemporary republicans/conservatives/bush-admirers "neocons" a few years back.
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you calling Rush a liar?
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Yes we did. Then promptly re-elected him 6 years later. And despite what you might think most Brits with a rational mind thank you for your help in ending WWII earlier than it would've. We'd have just liked you to have joined in a little sooner thats all. :-)
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for not mowing osama down with a 12 gauge. Anyone else would have killed him where he stood.
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if he didn't do anything to help the military find him. hell he should be put in jail just for not shooting osama upon seeing him.
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how you could just sit there without strangling osama to death is beyond me.
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Do you honestly think if he got close enough to interview him he would be allowed to have any weapons on him? He was properly having to interview him naked, with bullet-proof glass between them and with a dozen AK-47's pointing at his head!!! I'm sure Morgan wanted to tear him a new one with 12 gauge like any of us here, he was just unlikely to be given the chance! I still say that this is bogus and as such a moot point.
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If Spurlock didn't make this film, Osama would probably not be mentioned on any goddamn news programs all of next year. No matter whether he interviewed him, found him, got new footage of him, or concludes that he is dead, Spurlock is doing what the fucking media should be: ASKING WHERE THE FUCK THE GREATEST ENEMY/CRIMINAL OF THE UNITED STATES IS. Why don't you Conservatives on here explain why Bush has pushed aside bin laden's search in order to focus on a neverending War on Terror, a faulty-pretense war in Iraq, and continued threats about invading Iran???? Answer me that. Why isn't your president doing his fucking job? You mention bin laden to Bush these days and he barely recognizes the name.
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Or, I guess, he could have sewn a bomb into his belly to kill himself and Bin Laden, thus going out ala Jihad.
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wait....don't we remember that Bin laden was TRAINED and FUNDED by our govt??? We have more questions to ask...
I'm no fan of whoever took down the towers...but let's look a bit deeper here
1- Bin Laden didn't take away our liberties...Bush did...for laughs try reading Naomi Wolf's End of America...we're on all 10 steps to fascism people...Bin laden didn't do that
2- we don't even know if Al Quaida is real??? Much less Bin Laden's connection...check out his evolving beardage...google it
3- I'm sure the fireballs are lobbing at me already...but heck guys, if Spurlock could find 'em and our govt couldn't....and we have the best intel on the planet...why does that make you mad at Spurlock instead of our govt???
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There will be no invading Iran ... for now.
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I seriously doubt that Spurlock knows where Osama is located. Osama is presumably moving from location to location on the back of a camel. The chance that this Hollywood opportunist happened upon Satan's buttbuddy (Osama) is extremely unlikely. He probably happened to find another tall, ugly extremist who needs a shower. In the end, it might better serve the interest of this nation to have Bin Laden remain in control of his fractured organization while hiding in a series of caves. If we had his head on a platter, some other madman would take control and fill the minds of the young and the brainwashed with visions of 70 virgins dancing in their heads. Believe me, Spurlock is just another liberal opportunist doing his best to make a name (and some $$$) for himself. If he actually had footage...don't you think that the CIA would know it?
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even if it meant his own death. God knows that anyone else would have tried to kill him. We owe our lives to those who died on that fateful day. The least Spurlock could have done was die trying to kill the evilest man alive.
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OJ Simpson. Right after he finds Nicole and Ronald's killer.
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Or imprisoned by allied forces. It's the only fact that makes sense considering all of Osama's "recent" audio/video don't look very recent at all.
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he's the evilest man on earth and needs to die for what he did.
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So you think that "Bush took away your liberties?" Are you MENTAL -- or do you really believe that crap that spews out the mouths of Gore, Kerry, Obama and Pelosi? The authorities aren't removing your "liberties" brainless. They are simply monitoring some phone calls while searching for terrorist activities. Don't be such a whiney lib-dick! California liberal extremists in the DemonRATic Party want to limit true "liberties!" What the hell was that bill about trying to force pet owners to have their pets spayed and neutered? Talk about limiting the "liberties" -- Fido, Garfield, Mr. Sprinkle and owners who would like to breed their own pets! No matter how much propaganda the LIBTARDS feed us, it is not a removal of "civil liberties" to monitor the airwaves for terrorists in order to protect this nation. Damn -- you stupid liberal extremists want to vilify Bush, Cheney, Rove and ANYONE who doesn't agree with your warped and extreme-left social views! But thank God that you have the LIBERTY to spread your misleading propaganda in this nation. *Sigh.
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I'm going to go now before it infects me.
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...my only question would be: "Any last words, dickhead? Tell it to Satan!" BANG!
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Dec 05, 2007 8:00:27 PM CST
"We owe our lives to those who died on that fateful day."
by onomatopoet
Those who died? Which people are you talking about? The terrorist attack worked. Holy fuck we all wish the victims were alive and well today, but they didn't save any one of us by dying. The martyrs are the American and Iraqi people who have been shooting each other ever since, because their commanders are exacting vengeance on icons rather than trying to work something out.
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And, considering how many weapons would have been trained on him at the time, would that even be possible or plausable? That is what you would call Fucking Retarded.
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my only question would be: 'how do you want it? slow and painful or very slow and painful?'
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"Vote for Hillary/Obama in 2008! They will restore our, err, your civil liberties!"
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Never mind.
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He should try and kill Osama only if he wanted to die right after he tried it! Do you seriously think Osama's gonna let ANYONE interview him that hasn't been thoroughly searched for ANY weapons? What should he do? Try and rip his jugular out with his teeth? Sacrifice his own life in the attempt? You first, morons! Don't you think the interview would take place with like a hundred other "derka-derka's" present and pointing machine guns at his head just in case he FARTED in Osama's general direction? That said, he should definitely tell the military where the interview took place, if he even KNOWS where it was: he would be taken there BLINDFOLDED, fer chrissakes! Jeez, I don't know if some of you guys are really THAT dumb, or just naive...
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I'll agree that civil libertarians make a lot of a rather small set of expansions of federal and executive power (perhaps, as do certain talkbackers when discussing proposed pet ordinances?), but it is worth keeping in mind that the Bush administration is of the opinion that the executive is able to arrest and detain indefinitely united states citizens, without review by other branches or portions of the government, when the executive, again, without review by other branches or portions of the government, declares such persons to be a new, special type of criminal. That's a rather novel development in the US, and I don't think that it's hysterical to question its wisdom.
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Dec 05, 2007 8:07:49 PM CST
wolvenom: 'how do you want it? slow and painful or very slow an
by the dum guy
That's what she said... er. I was going to question the whole "We owe our lives" thing, but I'm not sure I want to try and understand.
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Who cares if he was blind folded or not. If its true he knows what country Osama is in, and should have told the military where Osama's hiding within seconds of leaving the interview.
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just kidding about the comrade part
man, seriously...I just raised some questions and you about blew a hole through me...let's get some perspective about who has what issues...I know this talkback should really be about the film...but I'm just gonna do 1 response then I'm out...
You seem pretty indoctrinated, so don't imagine you want to check this out...but yes, the govt is taking liberties. use the precious internet to research it while you still have it. anyone can be declared enemy combatant and put away indefinately. we lost habeus corpus, we lost posse comitatus, the natl guard can be deployed against us, blackwater was already deployed against us in katrina aftermath. I'm actually not a leftist, nor a commie or any other of the things you hurled at me. I have done a lot of research...but honestly you don't have to do more than a little googling to find out. I'm not talking about monitoring airwaves etc....this is significantly more serious than that. and YES I AM very THANKFUL for the liberty I have to say these things...more than you know. I wish you were more gracious to those of differing opinion, I thought that was what made America great? But perhaps you want to live under fascism...your response certainly is fascist-like...
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Dec 05, 2007 8:13:04 PM CST
a journalist/documentarian being able to find a most wanted pers
by smackfu
when the government can't is not surprising, and doesn't indicate any fault on the government's behalf. The simple fact of the matter is that there are certain paths that are open to established media faces that do not open themselves to CIA operatives. Now perhaps if the government were to take one of there operatives, make him a world famous newsperson or documentarian for 7 or 8 years to establish journalistic credibility, that person may have a miniscule chance of one day getting an 'interview' with Osama that would conclude with a poison dart launching out of a boom mic, but that's not really a practical plan. It's just basic logic people, obviously Al Qaeda is more open to whisking away a blindfolded journalist in the dead of night with six guns pointed at his head to an unknown cave to talk to Osama than they are to do the same with a Navy Seal or some shit. Even if a government agent DID manage to get close to Osama by the same means Spurlock or other journalists do, they would be in no position to make a move.
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Are you really that trusting of the government? If Hillary, or any of the democrats win next year, will you still think the government should be able to listen in to private calls without any restrictions? I sure wouldn't, and I'm a democrat. I don't think it's too much to ask that they follow the law, heck, they can even get the warrent retroactively, after they've already done the monitoring, but for some reason they don't want any checks and balances on it. I'm sorry, but I never trust the government implicitly.
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185 posts and nary a "meh" to be found.
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he knows what country and even the area he was in when whisked away to do an interview.
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So he can stand trial and then suffer for his crimes through righteous JUSTICE not VENGEANCE. We don't want him to become an even greater martyr to radical Islamists in death than he is now in life...
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Name ONE citizen of the United States that was arrested and detained indefinitely. Can you name ONE single person? Was that person guilty of anything that would not have warranted a similar detention during World War II? The "removal of civil liberties" propaganda repeatedly spewed by the liberal extremists in the Democratic Party (like Pelosi) are usually unmentioned by name. They are usually referring to the "phone taps." Since the government is prohibited against using anything in a legal sense except information that is damning to non-citizens, then what "liberties" are being "removed?" It is mere propaganda from the far-left. They feel that if they repeat something often enough (using media coverage), then less educated fools will believe it. You know what? It works. There are some fools (like Rosie O'Donnel) who still believe that 9/11 was an "inside job" by the Bush Administration. It's sad that the libtards' propaganda is so far reaching! Look at the last CNN orchestrated YouTube debate! Half of the questions were asked by known Democratic activists!
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Dec 05, 2007 8:17:58 PM CST
Any chance that the US could send their Christian Right over to
by miyamoto_musashi
Can you guys send the Christian Right, you know the idiots who voted for Bush and believe being abusive at funerals of homosexuals, executing people, whilst killing abortion doctors, is what a loving god would want.
The world would be a much better place if these crazies took each other out.
Think the south of the US would be much more empty as well, plenty of space for the Mexicans etc to live after that come across the border.
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It absolutely amazes me how people think Osama is behind 9/11. Even the government says it was Khalid Shaek Mohammed and Mohammed Atta, not Osama who was behind 9/11. Of course, the section chief of the CIA said the white house intentionally let Osama flee the Tora Bora region in Afghanistan in December 2001...where he remains under Pakistani Intelligence protection in Warzaristan to this day.
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BUSH is a facist. Bush is evil. The Bush Administration is taking away our civil liberties. Bush is the antiChrist. Bush caused global warming.
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If Spurlock really did find Osama, then the official story of 9/11 and the war on terror is done for. It would mean that the 10.59 BILLION given to Pakistan to find Osama, and the trillion plus war on terror(200 billion borroed from China) has not really been going to take out al Qaeda or Osama...in fact, it's seriously doubtful the US government is "incompetent" enough to not find Osama. Saddam in a hole anyone? Why so many people believe Osama by himself blew up three New York highrises and orchestrated 9/11 all by his lonesome is smoking some major CIA imported crack. MSNBC and ABC just outed Guiliani as being business partners with the Qatari elites who sheltered KSM and Osama and funded 9/11. And we know Saudi intelligence and Pakistani intelligenced funded and helped with 9/11. Talk about a setup.
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Exactly. Place him on trial, and let the whole world see as he rails against the evil of America while we provide him counsel, treat him with efficient dignity, and just basically show the world that, whoa, actually, the US is a pretty fair place. Overshadowed probably by the shock and horror that much of the rest of the world feels in response to the US's glorious and completely non-incompetent liberation of Iraq, but hey, baby steps.
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Do you really think this ccchhhrrriiisssm fucktard has any idea what 'habeus corpus' means?
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ha ha! Drew???
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If i ever meet one of you crazy conspiracy nuts in real life I'll be sure to send you home with a black eye.
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First, are you playing an act here? If so, I'll wink and salute your attempts to troll up some controversy. Second, I don't think that it's necessary to wait for an administration to start arresting US citizens without charges before society has a debate about it, once the administration has announced that that is what it feels it has the authority to do. Third, there is a rather famous citizen of the US who was arrested and held as an enemy combatant, Yaser Esam Hamdi. True, he wasn't held indefinitely, but my point wasn't that US citizens were being held indefinitely--just that the current administration is of the opinion that it has that power. Hamdi was only charged because the administration lost a case before the Supreme Court. Fourth, and finally, comparisons to world war two are inapt. Setting aside the argument that what was wrong then is wrong now, the United States is not in the midst of a world war, except rhetorically. The US faces no existential threat, and neither do any of its allies. Terrorism is a weapon, not an enemy in the classic sense, and the current levels of terrorism facing the US today are much more appropriately handled with well-funded, professional police and intelligence work, not the sort of emergency measures arguably necessary in legitimate wartime.
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Dec 05, 2007 8:39:04 PM CST
he keeps others in Pakistan from launching nuclear weapons at In
by smackfu
No offense to anyone of those particular nationalities, but the only global reprecusions of a nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan would be a general consensus of 'wow, too bad for them'. Pakistan is such colossal fuckup of a country that governments all over the world would be going 'well, that's one less thing we have to worry about'...and while India is generally considered to be a benevolent country and ally to many, in all honesty, we really don't 'like' like you, if you know what I mean. It would be sad if you got nuked, but we won't feel sad enough about it to go to war to avenge you.
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If you disagree, then you are mental. Instead, Bush went after Saddam because he convinced small segments of the American public that he was harboring WMDs and terrorists and thus needed to be removed by the sons and daughters of U.S. citizens. He bullshitted the most malinformed, uneducated parts of America and made them think we were getting two birds with one trillion-dollar stone. Instead, Saddam is dead, Iraq is a fucking mess and always will be, and bin laden is just chilling out and strenghtening his forces. It's agreed that he is probably in Pakistan or Afghanistan. So go get them, or let an adventurous, controversy-seeking documentarian make us all look like jackasses with a rag-tag film crew. There is no conspiracy in what I just said: the country's biggest criminal and enemy (perhaps in the country's lifetime) roams free and is not our focus whatsoever, even after the motherfucker attacked us at home and boldly claims that it was the first of the last blows to our empire. What's so patriotic about Bush not paying the guy any attention? You'd think he'd want to capture the guy and leave a legacy. You'd think the mainstream news would be apeshit these last six years about our government's lethargic search for bin laden. But no. All we have our goddamn conservatives spewing bullshit under the guise that the Iraq War is tied to the fucking Bible and End Times. HOW COME THE WAR ON TERROR DOESN'T SEEM TO INVOLVED CAPTURING, TRYING AND KILLING THIS SONUVABITCH AKA BIN LADEN? THE ENTIRE GODDAMN WAR ON TERROR SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON THAT AS A TOP PRIORITY. Anyone who is pro-Bush can't face that question. Thank you.
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This documentary sounds genius. I wonder if the CIA is gonna waterboard him to get the where abouts of his illusive subject.
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Not to be a jerk or anything, but if nuclear war were to embroil the one billion inhabitants of India-Pakistan, the rest of the world would feel pretty enormous repercussions, even if only through impacts to the global economy. But of course, Pakistan and India would do what all other powers have done in major wars--they'd destroy shipping and energy transmission wherever they could, to try to hurt the other side. And so if you can simply shrug off the thought of potentially millions of people dying in nuclear attacks, you might want to consider some of the other impacts. I'm certain that the rest of the world would have to divert enormous resources to ending the conflict, and repairing the damage.
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Listen to yourselves. Does that sound even plausible? First of all, let's say he did get an interview. Do you think Spurlock made the stipulation that he should be allowed to bring a gun to the interview?
Secondly, you've seen Supersize me. Spurlock and his girl are hippies. Do you think they even know how to use a gun?
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...please, just die. And don't breed on the way either. Seriously, some people's moronic children...
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is badgeman italian or spanish?
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was badgeman italian or spanish?
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This talkback is actually generating some interesting conversation! I am a liberal (gasp) but I love informed debate, as long as it's kept sane and civil.
Basically ccchhhrrriiisssm, you've failed on all counts. I'm going to have to ask you to leave the talkback. If you weren't already insane, you became so the second you compared arresting and detaining citizens without a shred of proof or due process, illegal supervision and invasion of privacy, and the support of torture tactics with the forced neutering of pets. Not only did you compare them, but apparently making a dog into a soprano is worse. Wait a tic... is your real name Lieutenant Barkers?
Despite my liberal leanings, I still don't believe the gov't had anything to do with 9-11. For one thing, do you really think a gov't this inept could possibly pull off, in the words of Trey Parker and Matt Stone, "the world's most intricate and flawlessly executed plan ever"? Plus, I just kind of hate conspiracy theories. -
thanks for that genre.comeback!
you know, either way- if spurlock's doc is a joke or serious, this could get ask some much needed questions. I don't see morgan as someone who just goes for show...I mean he is doing a form of entertainment yes...but in that Shakespeare/Oscar Wilde/ well can't think of another social commentator type...rats! Anyhow he seems to want to bring things to attention for people to talk aobut.
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This talkback is pointless, you all need to just lock yourselves in the Thunderdome and battle it out like the piggybacked retards you've all demonstrated yourselves to be by participating in this talkback. Uh oh, now I'm condemned to the same fate. Well at least now I get to "debate" Wolvenom in the customary AICN manner: Wolvenom, bring that closed-minded tough guy bullshit to me and I'll kick your ass so hard that your rectum will be writing wistful love letters to my boot. HEY LOOK DENZEL I BE DEBATIN!
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Dec 05, 2007 9:39:34 PM CST
Osama was going to appear, but the writer's strike delayed it al
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Dec 05, 2007 9:40:55 PM CST
Osama and the Weinsteins couldn't agree on the sequel...
by cletus van damme
...the Osama tried to kill them for being jews.
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If he sat with Osama bin Laden, that's a line not many would put themselves on. I understand the criticism toward entertainers taking on causes. When this comes out, if its all a big publicity stunt, I'll be the first to yell boo. But if this speculation proves true, then its possible that Spurlock has made a worthy documentary. It won't be "The War", but it will be entertaining and informative.
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He said, "Spurlock iz teh awesomo!"
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Would that that were true. While I agree that those who think Bush is trying to take over the world are obnoxious and counterproductive, the Bush administration has had a whole lot more than "some" bad policies, and the US will be paying for it for a long time to come. Just look at the studies concerning the present sunk cost of the Iraq war--most of them put the pricetag (including direct costs, costs of repairing/replacing military hardware, medical costs for the injured, lost productivity, and financing on the money borrowed to pay for it) in the trillions of dollars. Consider that, for a moment. Trillions. You could build and endow several Harvard-class universities in every state in the country for that amount, and give a generation of kids free tuition to attend. You could build not just a base but a *city* on the moon. You could make sure medicare and medicaid are solvent forever. You could create hyperbroadband internet infrastructure, and deliver it to every person in the country. You could fund research into unimaginable advances in medicine, energy, etc. You could pay off a healthy chunk of the national debt. Or you could give it back to the taxpayers. Missed opportunities. But consider that before you suggest that "we were better off with him than without him."
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Especially the implausible ones, like a bunch of stooges flying planes into buildings which are then magically free of plane wreckage and then implode and crumble in a manner consistent with controlled demolition, featuring Saddam plotting all this with his good buddy Bin Laden. Who buys into this bullshit? Have fun condescending, friends!
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I hope he does shed some light on OSB, the Hunt for him and everything that entails.
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keep on drinking the Cool-Aid. I'm sure your Lithium will kick in any minute now....
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He's basically taken the Michael Moore formula of old from documentaries like "Roger and Me", where, whether he talks directly to Bin Laden or not, the entire film serves as a look into what it takes to find Bin Laden, what the U.S. is doing to find him, and whether such a feat is plausible, the resources put towards finding him, and those towards distractions of war in other countries, and so forth. The question of whether or not he finds him creates the suspense and the hype in order to get a big draw to the theaters. I'm sure box office will have a huge drop after the initial week when people hear that he doesn't actually find Bin Laden, but if the movie is well made, there still might be enough buzz to earn some decent cash, and give the Weinsteins a solid return on their investment.
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This long for some "Truther" loons to show up?
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The man should be arrested, tried, convicted and executed. He is guilty of treason against the United States of America. We have all the time in the world, OBL doesn't, but WE do.
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...you'd probably believe it. I'm not going to waste any more time on you or the other talkback scholars, but suffice it to say, the only thing I truly believe about the events of 9-11 is that the official version of the story is not the truth. Have a sincerely wonderful life, you enlightened internet champion of wisdom and truly biting sarcasm.
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... why didn't the U.S. Government give a journalist or documentary filmmaker a tracking device and then he pushes a button when he finds Osama and then they know where Osama is and then the journalist can leave a tracking device where he interviewed Osama, leave the area, and let the military carpet bomb Osama's lair. ***IF*** this whole thing is true, but I doubt it.
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I can imagine a few economic reprecusions. Mainly, the western world would either have to find another 3rd world country to exploit for slave labor, or perhaps bring the jobs back to their respective countries. As far as Pakistan goes...I can't think of a single positive contribution they bring to the world. I'm sure there may be one or 2, I just can't think of any at the moment.
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Funny how just one Talkback that references Bin Laden (and 9/11) will bring out certain Talkbackers that haven't been heard from in ages. With pockybot's arrival, I won't be surprised if AGE IIX and an emissary from PrisonPlanet make an appearance.
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badgeman: italian or spanish? I WANT TO KNOW.
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I know you're watching...
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... did anyone else notice how the gunman's name was Rob Hawkins? The main character from Cloverfield is Rob Hawkins too. Could this be another Cloverfield clue? What is that crazy J.J. Abrams up to this time!?!?!??!
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See look, the shooter's name is Rob Hawkins, same as the main character from Cloverfield. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W estroads_Mall_shooting
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Dec 05, 2007 11:29:36 PM CST
Bush Will Be Chillin' at his Mega Green Enviro-Friendly Ranch
by kevinwillis.net
In 2009. While Gore floods the world with carbon-dioxide and excuses himself because he's bought carbon credits . . . from himself.
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Spurlock couldn't eat three sausage-egg-and-cheese biscuits without barfing. He didn't frickin' interview Osama Bin Ladin.
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Dec 05, 2007 11:34:13 PM CST
If Journalists Were Supposed to Shoot Bad Guys . . .
by kevinwillis.net
They'd all show up packing to the Whitehouse press conferences and shoot Bush, because they think he's the biggest most evilest sumbich in the world, next to Darth Cheney. And all the 9/11 conspiracy theorists and we're-losing-all-our-rights alarmists can get in a big circle with the Clinton-is-murdering-people and Democrats-are-going-to-outlaw-Christianity folks and jack yourselves off. Bring some tissue!
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But just so you know, pretty much all of us who voted for Bush think most of you folks in the UK are leftist twits with your heads so far up your own arses you pass out every time you fart. Seriously, worry about your own elections, and bugger off.
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Dec 05, 2007 11:41:22 PM CST
Morgan Spurlock Should Have Performed a Citizens Arrest
by kevinwillis.net
And kept Osama there until Andy and Barney showed up to take him to the Sheriff's office.
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There was no evidence of planes hitting those buildings! Except for the thousands of gallons of jet fuel and giant chunks of fuselage and entire jet engines and the film footage of, I dunno, planes flying into the buildings from a dozen different angles. And then, obviously Bush had Haliburton perform a controlled demolition of the Twin Towers so he could start a war in Iraq, because that's worked out so well for him. Not only has it made him as rich as king, but he's also the most popular president ever! It just makes sense! Think about it, sheeple!
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You are so beyond ridiculous for giving a pass to an incompetent President who let Bin Laden off the hook for 9/11. You treasonous little fuck ought to have your citizenship revoked and sent off to suck Osama's cock. -
And then was back to Hinkley again for the second season. However, the tradition of his students calling him "Mr. H", started due to the Hinkley thing, continued for the rest of the show. Loved Greatest American Hero. Awesome show.
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Ooooh, you are frisky tonight. Schwing!
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You do realize that at least half the people who voted Bush back in office are supremely regretting that decision. Lowest. Approval ratings. Ever. (It must be true, I looked it up in my gut). At least the UK had the balls to hold their gov't responsible for their actions.
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Should join me in telling Gaba-UK to bugger off. We'll be taking care of it in our next election, obviously we did a fair amount of reprimanding the chimp-in-chief during the 2006 election (when we elected the house and senate with the allowing approval ratings since approval ratings for congress have been taken, so we obviously regret that decision, too, but still).
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"Allowing" approval ratings? And me is a college graduate.
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has got to be the most gullible fuck around. Then again there are a bunch of people still on Bush's bandwagon, so that's not unexpected. When you've got nothing credible to argue and just act like a clown to hold your stance (looking at you Kevin and Ashoko), the only thing you're accomplishing is to show how utterly defenseless your position is in the face of reality. So sad.
Anyway I'm curious to see what Spurlock has come up with. Despite Bush's nonchalance about, and apparent pardon of, Bin Laden, I'm sure the military has not ceased its search for him. And I doubt even Rumsfeld and Cheney were ever stupid enough to order a stop to that search. -
True story. In my opinion, way too late, but what can you do. And kudos for making me laugh twice. Loved the chimp-in-chief bit, I shall adopt it as my own.
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And can see Robert Culp as Dick Cheney, there is no way Condie can hold a candle to Connie Selleca. Although the idea of George Dubya in the Ralph Hinkley role certainly suggests a great opportunity for satire. "Believe it or not, I'm the president . . . "
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I'm sorry, Ashok0, but Iraq is stabilizing? Is this like when Cheney said they were nearing the end of the insurgence... like 180 years ago? I will believes it when I sees it.
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That'd be like arguing with the guy on the street corner telling me about the chip they put in his head. Better just to smile and nod.Seriously, I don't know what you're on about.
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Condie Rice is still no Connie Selleca.
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Yeah, I bet they found a guy who knows a guy who took them somewhere where they got to videotape the identation of Osamas ass in the dust, just mere minutes/hours/days/months before he left the scene. I know thats a retarded amount of money to drop on a film. But, really, a sit down interview? I just find it almost impossibly hard to believe. Although, people have pulled off similar stunts. The question will then be, why didn't Spurlock report his imminent meeting to U.S. authorities, blah blah blah. You know, I think the cash reward for Osamas head is bigger than the Weinstein payout. Oh, and I think the bombing some dude refered to wasn't the U.S.S. Cole, but those embassies in Africa. In regards to Pakistan...Yeah, they probally know where he is. Just like certain Saudis probally know. But hey, Musharif is a non radical despot in one of the most volatile muslim nations on the planet, and he can't afford to piss off many more people. The U.S. likes him, so they don't want to lose him. I know that journalists have gone the blindfolded route before to get interviews, but damn, after Daniel Pearl, I doubt anyone would risk that again. Oh, and "If he actually had footage, don't you think the CIA would know it?" No, not really. They didn't even know that the berlin wall was about to fall. Shit, the stasi, the most ridiculusly successful intelligence agency in history, didn't even know they were about to have a revolution. As has been pointed out, people have been able to secure interviews with Hammas leaders that Israeli agents spent years looking for, not far from their own doorstep, let alone in deepest darkest pakistan. oh, and if its a phone or web cast interview....lame.
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Yeah, I bet they found a guy who knows a guy who took them somewhere where they got to videotape the identation of Osamas ass in the dust, just mere minutes/hours/days/months before he left the scene. I know thats a retarded amount of money to drop on a film. But, really, a sit down interview? I just find it almost impossibly hard to believe. Although, people have pulled off similar stunts. The question will then be, why didn't Spurlock report his imminent meeting to U.S. authorities, blah blah blah. You know, I think the cash reward for Osamas head is bigger than the Weinstein payout. Oh, and I think the bombing some dude refered to wasn't the U.S.S. Cole, but those embassies in Africa. In regards to Pakistan...Yeah, they probally know where he is. Just like certain Saudis probally know. But hey, Musharif is a non radical despot in one of the most volatile muslim nations on the planet, and he can't afford to piss off many more people. The U.S. likes him, so they don't want to lose him. I know that journalists have gone the blindfolded route before to get interviews, but damn, after Daniel Pearl, I doubt anyone would risk that again. Oh, and "If he actually had footage, don't you think the CIA would know it?" No, not really. They didn't even know that the berlin wall was about to fall. Shit, the stasi, the most ridiculusly successful intelligence agency in history, didn't even know they were about to have a revolution. As has been pointed out, people have been able to secure interviews with Hammas leaders that Israeli agents spent years looking for, not far from their own doorstep, let alone in deepest darkest pakistan. oh, and if its a phone or web cast interview....lame.
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I think I have to give up, I really can't tell if you're kidding or not. I concede, you win using only the weapon of confusion.
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At a time when the international press and politicians at home weren't trying to sabotage us at every turn. Also, we had dropped two atomic bombs on them, which helped them take us more seriously. Also, our war with Japan wasn't started by picking a name out of the Asian phone directory, the declared war on us and attacked us at Pearl Harbor, and engaged us in pitched battle at sea, in the Philipines, and of course off the Japanese mainland.
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You people lovvvve films where the US government stages false flag terror bombings on its own people...Revenge of the Sith, V For Vendetta, Children of Men, etc. Big common theme.
Im not one of those "Oh my god, the towers got blown up! Cheney did 9/11" I fully know how deep al Qaeda was involved in 9/11. However, I ALSO know that Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Pakistan and the Dubai each hand a hand in 9/11 financially and otherwise; facts proven in the mainstream. I hope Spurlock really did find Osama. That way we could see more of the same idiotic mainstream liberal/convervative circular nonsense thrown a big monkey wrench. -
In V is for Vendeta and Revenge of the Sith? I missed the US staging terror bombings in Revenge of the Sith.
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I think perhaps we're all really under your head. Or just talking out of our asses. I think that's a lot more likely.
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kevinwillis.net, just when I was starting to think you weren't so bad. Are you really trying to say the problems in Iraq are due to politicians and press? WTF? So I guess it has nothing to do with the fact that the administration had no viable plan going into Iraq, that decorated generals have come forth saying, literally, that Bush has no idea what he's doing, that the army is fighting an enemy they don't understand and can't even find, that the insurgence is driven by a force for which they will never stop fighting, and that even the citizens of the country are against the American presence. Watch Fog of War (I know, it about Afghanistan, but the same principles apply). THAT'S why they can't win.
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I'm involved in this idiotic thing (yes, I acknowledge my own idiotic role), and I'm lost.
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Fog of War is about Robert McNamara and Vietnam. But it is a good movie.
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Am I remembering the wrong movie? Hmmm, what the hell was that? Still, Fog of War was good, and some of the principle still apply!!!
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and others who bear a this bizarre hatred of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: the president of Iran is a largely ceremonial role. Iranian executive power is in the hands of the Iranian Supreme Leader, Ali Khamenei. Ahmadinejad is little more than a clownish figurehead. Who is not well-liked by the Iranian people *except* to the extent that he is perceived to rile up the West. Accordingly, it's best to just ignore the guy.
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I'm even worse. But, not entirely, and it's a component and I don't agree that "they will never stop fighting", I believe they get much succor from the press and many politicians, and I don't believe we should be there fighting pre-emptive wars, and if we are going to be fighting wars in the middle east (say, in the future, after we were actually attacked), we should do it with a lot of troops and build up our military over a decade, rather than go blow trillions in Iraq. It gets complicated.
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The damage done by opposing or opportunistic politicians and a hostile press in regard to Iraq--no matter how one feels about pre-emptive wars--was predictable, is unquestionably a factor, and is such a profound negative I certainly think it should have influenced any decision to go into Iraq and, if we were going to do it anyway, it should have influenced the planning. As in, how are we going to get this done when Syria and Iran will be flooding the country with mercenaries and the international press will be trying to sabotage us at every turn. I can't support pre-emptive wars, however. That being said, that doesn't mean I think we have to lose such a venture, or that I want to. I just think it's a bad idea and if I had been president there would have been no Iraq war (but some damn fine Social Security privatization).
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Man are some of the conservatives here just dumber than a bag of hammers. Seriously just sociopathic in their tendencies.
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You are a stupid, evil, little man. That is all.
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Here is my spin: First 9/11 inside jobs asshats need to STFU. I think this administration is evil, but they are not that EVIL. I do believe that Omsama is being suvalled and the US knows exactly where he is. They just won't take him out since it is better to pick apart the information that comes out of his cave than to cut the head off the snake and watch 3 new, unknown snakes spring up. Spurlock might have had submitted questions to a source and Osama made a video answering the questions. I doubt that we will see him hunkered down on a cave floor with OBL. Once the interview was complete, he would be compelled to pass all the info along to the government or risk treason charges, since the government doesn't fuck around with that.
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But AMERICA and THE WORLD WILL soon see that There is no way this happened.. I hope he asked him substantive questions.
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fat Spurlock or junk-sick Jack Bauer?
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Osama seems to be an even bigger media whore than Kevin Smith. Isn't making a documentary about him enabling him just a bit. I wouldn't say forget what he's done, but ignoring him wouldn't be out of order.
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Isn't spurlock canadian? can you commit treason against a country that isn't yours? Surely it is terrorism or sedition?
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Are you trying to tell me that Morgan Spurlock is the smartest man in the whole world? Smarter than the CIA, NSA, MI6, the Massoud (sp?) and all of the rest of the "intelligence" community worldwide? This movie ought to be worth a painful laugh. I mean it's not too difficult to catch Bush in a lie. If he's talking, he's lying. Bush was about to "search" for Bin Laden in Iran til' he got caught lying about just finding out that they don't have a Nuclear Weapons program. Maybe it was in one of the 10,000,000 e-mails that got deleted. The only thing worse than Morgan Spurlock finding him would be Paris Hilton finding him (and then fucking him on video). Since I've only seen Super Size Me and an episode or two of 30 days, I can't really speak to his film making ability but if he pulls this off, Oliver Stone will be serving this guy supper. But I suspect he doesn't have anything worthwhile because I doubt The US Government will want to wait for the film to get any information they dug up. They would already have it and we would have heard of it a long time ago, this story is old.
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whoever said we've held our government (the UK) accountable is wrong. We bitch and moan about it, but haven't a fucking prayer of stringing the lying, corrupt, incompetent cocksuckers up by their toes.
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osama wants to know.
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What if Bin Laden is dead and Spurlock has discovered a grave / or confirmation of his death? That might justify the price tag of 25 mil while also being the 'holy grail' that was touted. It seems a lot more plausible than actually finding / interviewing the man himself.
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Actually, hardest piece of news i ever read.
Kinda makes sense for a guy, alone, with a camera crew, ALONE, lost in the middle east, to locate him, if he wanted to be found.
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...I see the leftist conspiratards and right-wing "why do you hate America" assmongers are out in force today.
What's especially hilarious is the notion that Spurlock, if he indeed did meet Osama, somehow was given a road map to the Bin Laden Batcave for the interview and that he later, just to spite the United States (Spurlock hates America!), fed the map to his dog.
Do you fucking cretins really believe anyone would be allowed to interview Osama without first going through a rigorous physical examination and then being driven with a hood over his head for hundreds of fucking miles in all kinds of directions before said meeting? Do you also believe that such a meeting would take place in some sort of permanent Al Qaeda base camp?
Thses are the same bitches who feel Spurlock, once in the company of Osama and what one assumes are a sizable number of armed guards, should suddenly go Maximus Gun Kata Jason Bourne Leonidas on the bastards because anything less is tantamount to hating America. Even funnier is the fact that they'll now proceed to tell everyone here how "Hell yeah! I'd have fucked his shit up and been back at Ramstein Air Force base before he could say 'slay the dirty infidel'!"
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The Irish special forces did. They caught him in the Dublin branch of M &S after they were tipped off that there was "bed linen" on the second floor" thank you very much. I'll be here all week. Try the lamb.
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With the current technology available couldn't someone have shoved a bug up his ass or something to track him? It's not like he met him in fucking starbucks for a latte, and then proceeded to cub him to death with a baseball bat wrapped in pages torn from the koran.
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I think Spurlock's from West Virginia, which, admittedly, could conceivably make him a traitor of sorts.
I lived in WV for a period of several years once, and there is not a more evil geographical spot in the entire United States.
I keed, I keed. There's actually some wonderful people in WV and the state itself was formed by doing the honorable thing and breaking away from slave state Virginia in order to remain with the Union during the Civil War.
Except in Jackson County. The very soil there reeks of ancient, unholy evil which has forever tainted the souls of its inhabitants. I shit you not. -
ah well, I stand correctedand Doc- isn't Deliverance set in West Virginia?(joke people- no-one expode)
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Well, at least it was filmed there. I don't recall if that's where the action takes place.
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...was in WV, though. Heh.
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Ah, yes, but did Osama shoot first?
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then Osama definately shot first. Do you know how hard it is to fire a gun when you have webbed fingers caused by inbreeding?
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...he used one of them thar un-trigger-guarded, hillbilly blunderbusses stuffed with rusty nails, human teeth and squirrel giblets.
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from the end. I call it an inbredinatorThat would be cool.
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Amazing! I wish the guys who made the Redneck Rampage PC game back in 1997 had thought of that.
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...are morons. What? Do they think they're going to go up against movie terrorists who stand up out in the open waiting to be shot and can shoot 500 rounds of automatic weapons fire without managing to hit anything?
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damn it- I'm obviously going to have to piss away my afternoon finding out about it.
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...should be happy if Spurlock met Osama. Did I hear you ask how? Well, quite simply, it means that the whole phalanx of left-wing fucktards (as well as fascist AnimalStructure) who claim that Osama either doesn't exist or is dead will then shut the fuck up.
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Dec 06, 2007 7:29:30 AM CST
he tried being leader of al quaeda, osama lived as a gay man
by ironic_name
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Redneck Rampage is awesome. Hillbillies vs. UFOs! It's an FPS built around the Duke Nukem 3D engine and filled with hilariously un-PC humor at the expense of certain people - much like Shadow Warrior. The coolest thing is that you can drink bourbon to regain your health, but if you drink too much, you get drunk and can't walk or shoot straight. There's an expansion pack called Suckin' Grits on Route 66 and a sequel called Redneck Rampage Rides Again.
Good times, good times...
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...the soundtrack for the game is great, including songs like "My Baby's All Liquored Up".
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Sometimes people try to recreate the Deliverance canoe ride. Which is easy these days, since it's so dry you can just walk the rapids.
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I knew it was a Godfather joke. I was taking it elsewhere. Jeez...
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www.chez.com/redneck/
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They couldn't find Eric Rudolph and was right here in the USA.
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YES. My weekend will now be complete.
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It took the state of Ohio 10 years to find me and bill me for 40 feet of guard rail that I tore up in a car wreck. Your insurance will not cover guard rails people, helpful hint, 10 years to bill me and guess what...I WORK FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!!!!!!
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cuz I can't fucking believe it either. Although I think it was just Animal's beleaguered co-worker who reached over and typed the post while he was getting a can of Full Throttle at the vending machine.
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take your fucking meds and turn the caps lock off.
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the idea of AS being allowed out into a place where he may hurt himself and/or others or the fact that BSB wants to share a shower with node....
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because they have the most gullible, dumb, and sheepish consumer base around. I bet you fucking idiots each have a hardcopy of Ann Coulter's How To Talk To A Liberal (If You Must) on your desk as a Talkback reference guide. Spurlock found Osama? If you even stepped back and thought about that for a second you would be ashamed for believing it. Stupid fucking idiots do humanity a favor and don't breed or the Mexicans will win.
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She said that Spurlock sucker her cock.
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She said that Spurlock sucked her cock.
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Wouldn't that probably be for the best???
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everyday. They're always crossing Sixth Avenue and 34th Street. It's the epicenter of douchedom.
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Hey, this is a family-friendly website.
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Agreed then everyone can stop acting like they know shit about world affairs and go back to calling Kevin Smith a whore.
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You've given a lot of thought to this, who has repressed sexuality? You know what they say homophobia is actually indicative of... Anyway, thank you for your comments. Everyone here is now stupider for having read them.
And kevinwillis.net, I agree the press has played a role, but I don't think it can compare to the lack of planning or awareness of the situation going in. I hope you're right, honestly. I'm a little skeptical, but that's just my growing cynicism. I would love to be proven wrong on that.
Finally, to DocPazuzu, I just meant that I saw the difference in reactions to Blair and Bush following the whole debacle, and rather than have all these "town meetings" where people told Bush he was the bestest guy ever and asked how they could help him by being a better American, Blair was getting his ass handed to him. I guess it's only a mild accountability, but I'd even take that. -
what with wanting a S&M shower with Node and masturbating in public..... heh
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Apologies, DocPazuzu, my final comment was directed at Lost Jarv. I gotta get some sleep, I'm losing it.
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The difference is- we bitched and moaned and no-one wanted it before a single soldier set foot in Iraq, but the cocksucker rode roughshod over our wishes anyway- he even managed to retire himself, rather than be booted out by the people. And to think the cocksucker thinks he was helping to export democracy. Try bringing it back to Britain first.
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Point taken. Didn't mean to oversimplify what was going on in the UK. I guess we're all just fucked. What's that line from Churchill about democracy being the worst form of gov't except all the others that have been tried? Sigh, I grow more jaded by the moment.
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with sane advice, provoke them! they're way funnier when they're foaming at the mouth!
Hey guys! how much do you want to beat up Morgan Spurlock? He's a traitorous scumbag, right? Do you want to punish fuck him for hating America? Give us details! How much more of a real man are you? Would you shoot Osama in the face with an old fashioned civil-war era infantry cannon? How tough are you? Tougher than Geraldo? *laughing* Please, tell us everything!! -
Fucking Alias that shit with a subcutaneous transmitter and have your positioned bombed to hell. Sacrifice yourself for the american people. that's what a real american hero would do aka Cahlifournia Arnold.
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just chilling out....
seriously half the videotapes "they" show aren't even him. I'm no tinfoil hatter...but seriously, It's 1984 brothers. Don't believe any of their shit. -
Remember, the fake one they brought out right after the attacks with a gigantic nose and several cheeseburgers in his cheeks that looked nothing like the one we eventually got?
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that the greatest power in the world (the US millitary) can't find one guy? It's absurd. As Churchill and others said: events in history are planned. WW1, Pearl Harbour, the Gulf of Tonkin, "babies knocked out of incubators" in golf war 1, the non-threat that was iraq...etc etc etc....it aint about conspiracy theories..its about reading history.
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if spurlock found him (which i don't think he did), the US-forces would have found him long ago (which they probably have). but a phantom menace serves both parties (the US-government and the some terrorists), so there's no point in capturing Bin Laden (or confirming his death. maybe that's what they found).
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here's somethig interesting: go to the FBI page...find the most wanted list..you'll find BinLaden there..but guess what, no mention of 9/11...why? zero evidence. I'm not saying he's a great guy...ALL religeous zealots are douchebags, I'm just saying the official party line on 9/11, Iraq and pretty much everything is 100% class-A bullshit.
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exactly..they just figure americans cant tell the difference between brown people. sadly it's sort of true.
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It's a shame that you "folks that voted for bush" didn't actually say that about Brits BEFORE you dragged us into your war for oil. As I recall, i remember back in 2001 being told by nigh on every American i met, "thank god for Tony Blair", since the 'twits' as you laughably call us, were the only people in the civilised world who 1) gave a shit about what happened on 9/11, 2) Thought you had a valid point about Terrorism and Islamic extremism and 3)Stood by you when nearly every civilised nation on the planet pretty much though you should fuck off with the muscle flexing.Anyway, whats the fucking point of even debating this with an ignorant cockbag like you when your world view is built upon the belief that it's worth slaughtering thousands of people and dragging everyone into your own shit just so you'll never have to pay $4 for a gallon of gas.Do us all a favour and kill yourself.
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That is all.
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Not finding Osama is the biggest black eye the present administration has right now. Its considered to be the biggest weakness for Republicans in the upcoming elections. How on EARTH can you believe that the Republicans wouldn't want to take advantage of a huge 'we got Osama' coup on the verge of a national election?
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Go and fuck yourself. If I'd voted for Bush I sure as fuck wouldn't admit it. And we do worry about our own elections, thank you very much. Cunt.
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Riddle me this: How come every conspiracy theorist loon says things like "I'm no tinfoil hatter" and then proceeds to type post after post of paranoid crap with headgear made of kitchen supplies firmly strapped to their head?
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I didn't even read the above talkbacks so forgive me if this is redundant. But listen people: if Spurlock had found Osama, do you really think that he'd keep this info to himself for the next 6 moths or so until the film comes out? No, if Osama had been found, this information would already have made it to the government, and Spurlock would be pressured into giving up the goods. Can you imagine this scenario: GW Bush reads AICN, and thinks: "oh good, someone found bin Laden. Can't wait to see the movie next April to find out where he is!". Bin Laden has not been found by Morgan Spurlock. If that was the case, we'd have been reading headlines about it, weeks ago.
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For a moment let us discount the grainy Video tape mixes the BL sends every time Bush's policies are under a microscope. What evidence does the US have that this chap was the mastermind of 911? Granted, he attacked other US targets before. But whatever the truh behind 911 is, it is clear that the official narrative of events do not add up.
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Every wonder where the proof that Al-Qaeda is it Iraq. We know that Saddam had nothing to do with them. This organization pops up wherever the US wants to attack next.... Funny how that happens.
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That way the US can go after companies that routinely make $30 BILLION of PROFIT per QUARTER. When pressed about legislation curbing market manipulation by these corps, Bush said that he did not want to interfere and regulate the market. In related news, congress is seeking to regulate the Videogame industry because of the violence. They are also spending time fighting against the great threat of Barry Bonds and the great evils of steroids...
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This isn't the first time a journalist has beat the government to an enemy they were supposedly searching for... The reality is this: our government is not looking for Bin Laden. Believe what you will, but if they wanted to find him they would have done it by now.
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I will admit that there is some evidence about 9-11 that is suspicious, I just can't buy into the conspiracy theories about it. They're just as ridiculous. I don't necessarily believe it was Bin Laden, but I do believe it was a group of Muslim beyond-extremists. As for Iraq, is there anyone who actually believes the US went into Iraq for Al-Qaeda anymore? I thought that was pretty clearly not the case, just the initial reason for getting citizens to back the idea.
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Kennedy assassination: okay I can grant you some of that. Both the assassinated Kennedy's were making some very very bad trouble for two dangerous factions: The Mafia and Cuba. Tired of having to play dodge ball with the feds in Vegas, the Mafia was looking to move their operations to Havana. I dont personally buy it, but you can make a good case for a Mafia/Cuba connection.
But I laugh out loud at the 911 conspiracies. I'm supposed to believe that this government planted fake evidence of an airplane at the pentagon and blew up the two largest buildings in our hemisphere, was incapable of placing fake WMD evidence in Iraq. If we --had-- found WMD evidence, and someone wanted to claim that this was faked also, then I'd have to concede the possibility. But why go through all this trouble, hiding all those plane passengers, faking all those cell phone calls to relatives and to 911 - and then NOT place WMDs in Iraq? -
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let us meditate and ponder this mystery of the universe...
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another self loathing indian.
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The United States (mired at the time in an Isolationist mindset) would not have been attacked by the Japanese, would never have developed the world's greatest military (and ATOMIC WEAPONS) and would not become the WORLD'S ONLY SUPERPOWER in the late 1990's.
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Or....say it! ROCKET CARS!!!!This talkback puts the lotion in the basket or it get's the hose again. It will Precious! It will get the hose again!
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Dec 06, 2007 1:12:13 PM CST
Mmmmmm, But Key Experts in the Military Question 911?
by darfurontherocks
I understand that some of these theories are whacked out. But the stand down order from the Airforce is something that retired pilots and Air force officials cannot understand. They also cannot understand these Arabs who could not even fly a Cessna properly precision fly passenger jets to hit the towers. Something is not right here. The problem is that any discussion on these issues are immediately labeled as fringe views. When architects question the way that the building go down this information is hushed up. Unfortunately, many of us actually believe Fox news and the experts that they bring.... I do not claim to know the truth on the tragic events of 911. But I have looked that the official narrative to critically discern that it does not add up. Bypassing the US army is not easy. Flying a large lumbering jet is not easy. Making calls at flight altitudes are not easy. Passports floating from the sky are problematic...
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Dec 06, 2007 1:17:13 PM CST
Turns Out that the Iranian Prez Never called for Jews to be Wipe
by darfurontherocks
Just to show how easily tricked we can be, all the news agencies were saying that the Iranian prez called for Jews to be wiped off the map. They even showed videotape with an earnest translator doing his job. One problem: He was not doing his job. the prez was accidentally mistranslated... Unfortunately, no one has retracted the story...
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12% of the time, 12% of the theory, whatever.
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...Now where's my spandex?!
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No, he didn't say "Jews" but he did say "Israel" should be wiped off the map.
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With all respect the Iranian Prez never mentioned Jews or maps. He said that he hoped that the Zionist Regime in that part of the world falls. I don't want to steer you to my sources but check it out yourself...
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...seeing as how Zionism means the belief in a Jewish homeland in roughly the area where it exists now, then wishing for the "fall" of that regime is tantamount to the eradication of Israel. It doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.
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...do you think Iranian blogger Babak Seradjeh "mistranslated" the president's words before he offered the following passage?
"I wondered why Mr. Ahmanedinejad doesn't provide the Palestinians with a piece of Iran. ... Such evil remarks in blatant [sic] disregard of documented history is nothing new of course coming from the kind of people that Mr. Ahmadinejad represents. Denying the Holocaust, calling to wipe a country off the map, or to move it, are all the stuff of my generation's childhood, in school, on the radio and on TV, in the bold and thick slogans on the walls, the streamlined propaganda that aimed to penetrate all the space it could find in our brains." -
You are partly correct. Ahmadinejad did not make that statement to the UN however in what has become known as his, "A World Without Zionism" in October of 2005. He did say as much or at least that is what some translators say. The translation or rather what could have possibly been lost in translation has been argued for the past two years. The sources are all over the place.
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You are partly correct. Ahmadinejad did not make that statement to the UN. However, in what has become known as his, "A World Without Zionism" speech in October of 2005, he did say as much or at least that is what some translators say. The translation or rather what could have possibly been lost in translation has been argued for the past two years. The sources are all over the place.
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Ahmadinejad was also quoting another persons word when he said this contentious statement. Babak Seradjeh also does not like the Iranian Regime so I would seriously contextualize what he has to say.
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Zionism goal also entails the destruction of theft of an existing country: Palestine. One of the great things that Zionist have done is to dismiss anyone criticizing the theft of Palestinian land as Anti-Semites. As such, they can have 300 nuclear warheads, F-16s and F-15s gifted by the US with a full compliment of ordinance and get US intel...... yet still perpetuate the myth that they are in constant danger of being "pushed into the Red Sea." Because we are all in a tizzy over what Ahmadinejad may or may not have said, the IDF actually carries out the extermination of the Palestinian People without most of us batting a eyelid.
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Zionism appropriates Judaism for its own selfish gains. The threat of being called an anti-Semite (which is a misnomer) is such that I always need to state that the Holocaust did happen and was a tragedy beyond words..
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So... it's all just a matter of nuance and how you say it?
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...likewise, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that Seradjeh doesn't like the regime. That still doesn't change the fact that he most likely heard the speech in his native Persian.
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...your definition of Zionism is, at best, shallow. If you ask virtually any Israeli if they are a Zionist, from the left and the right of the political spectrum, a crushing majority of them will answer in the affirmative. This also goes for most Jews around the world.
Neo-defining Zionism in the way that you do serves one purpose and one purpose alone: demonizing the phrase to the point where the very existence of the state of Israel becomes synonymous with evil.
I support a two-state solution and loathe the current state of affairs in Israel. I think the settlers should be given an ultimatum: "move back to Israel within six months or resign yourselves to becoming Palestinian citizens".
See? I can say all those things without demonizing a view (Zionism) which is held by most Jews in the world. -
Just sayin'....
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True. I just wanted to point out that he did not make these statements in front of the UN and that the translated statements have been debated for some time now. Nothing like a good game of telephone. As for this movie, it's nothing more than pure hype. I'm sure it's going to be an interesting movie, but a $25million investment from the Weinsteins is hardly worth all the conjecture. I'd say given the theme of this movie, the gross on supersize me, roughly $30million, and a well received TV show, an investment like that seems reasonalbe. They've certainly spent their money on worse.
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They were just country clubs thoughtfully provided by the German government for ungrateful jews. Showers and everything!
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Perhaps you know more about Zionism than me. But has not the existence of Israel already been achieved?
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At the very least he used the version that Darfur mentioned which is more or less the same meaning although the president's defenders (like David Duke) will say otherwise.
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Dec 06, 2007 3:20:42 PM CST
What Do you Think of the Demonization of Islam and Arabs?
by darfurontherocks
I think that it is greater than any damage done to Zionism...
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I'm saying the role the international press would play, the 24 hours news cycle, the vested interest of foreign governments, etc., etc., should have been part of good planning for the Iraq invasion. And they weren't. Or part of the consideration as why NOT TO DO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. I'm agreeing with the poor planning, the number one, almost impossible to dispute issue being the "boots on the ground" issue. Screw Rumsfeld's "lean military force", nothing says "give up" like thousands of American soldiers marching through the city. "No, we can do it with three guys a predator drone. It'll be awesome!" Lots of folks in Iraq died due to poor planning. While this is not unique in war (WW II was full of it), that ain't an excuse. As Joshua said (in War Games) about nuclear war (and you can extrapolate this to most wars, especially of the pre-emptive kind): "The only way to win is not to play."
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"Do us all a favour and kill yourself."Man, that's why I love liberals! No thanks, Sauron. And, really, am I supposed to believe all the forces of evil and darkness in Middle-earth can't find one lousy ring? Jeeze.
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Quoth: "Go and fuck yourself. If I'd voted for Bush I sure as fuck wouldn't admit it."
"Cunt."
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It's not a question of supporting one kind of demonization over another. Intolerance and prejudice should be battled at every turn. I'll leave the polarity-prone "politics" to the extreme left and right.
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I mean, why not?
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I'm very sorry, DarfurOnTheRocks, but Mr. Ahmadinejad most certainly called for the annihilation of Israel in the speech you're referring to. The confusion over the translation arose thanks to distorted reports from the scholar Juan Cole. Christopher Hitchens elucidates the situation and offers proof of what Ahmadinejad said here: http://tinyurl.com/yory9n
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And the chick wearing the T-shirt is pretty hot too. And All-American, I bet!
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AICN has been notified of this from a very reliable insider source and has yet/refused to post it. I wonder why?????
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There's something for everyone in this near-perfect date flick.
Morgan Spurlock and Osama bin Laden have served up the feel-good smash of the summer! 5 stars! -
Dec 06, 2007 5:15:02 PM CST
Spurlock the Warlock will have Osama suck his Cock!
by buckys_kick_ass_arm
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it's been 20 minutes and not a single post under this topic? must be a steadfast networks hosting issue. surely this incindiary and controversial topic has had people posting non-stop all day, no?
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but if anyone is around, here's a link to a story that's a few days old but at least confirms everything you want to know, sans proving spurlock interviewed OBL:http://tinyurl.com/3xy485
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Does Heather Graham have a cock or not? I'm so confused!
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"He's not going to say where he is though." how do you know what he has said or not said? Your call to violence and torture against Spurlock reflects the evil that is the heart of all violence. Same as Osama. Same as Bush. Instead of questions and discussion and communication, All 3 of you prefer to solve your problems with extreme violence. That's what I meant.
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Dec 06, 2007 10:15:21 PM CST
Guartdian Unlimited cools this rumor off anyway no need to break
by ironburl
What's the truth? Maybe Spurlock did track down the fugitive al-Qaida leader. But it seems unlikely. Signing non-disclosure agreements for preview screenings are not uncommon. And the quote by Marracino dates back to a July piece in Variety, which makes the context less exciting:
"We've definitely got the Holy Grail," avers Spurlock's New York-based director of photography on the project, Daniel Marracino. "Visually, this film is just going to be gorgeous."
Anyway, top marks to Spurlock's publicist, and ponder another example of the interweb's echo chamber - although not yet on the level of the Guardian's popular news item about astronaut sex, a February 2000 article that was the second most-read item on this site yesterday. -
I read a report where it was brought up that Ahmadinejad did not intend to say "Isreal should be wiped off the map" as in the English language term "Nuke the fookers back to the stone age". He meant it as...completely remove Isreal from the middle east and get all the Jews out. Considering the news that came out about Iran not having a really Nuclear weapons program since 2003, that more so becomes a hollow threat. The US has a ax to grind with Iran since 1979 and all thier interactions with them.
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i love the america's hat shirt.
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If I want to elevate the debate with you I can, however, I would rather just call you an isolationist cunt with a horrid sweeping disregard and lack of understanding of anywhere outside of your deeply inbred, redneck, bush-voting, sister fucking, banjo playing hamlet. I repeat: go fuck yourself.
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"completely remove Isreal from the middle east and get all the Jews out". That looks like a pretty good definintion of ethnic cleansing to me.
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"Your call to violence and torture against Spurlock reflects the evil that is the heart of all violence. Same as Osama. Same as Bush. Instead of questions and discussion and communication" Very well said. The violent and angry reaction towards free speech characteristic on both sides represents the lowest of humanity. You would think people would be happy that Spurlock is bringing the focus of attention back onto Osama and his whereabouts. To those saying Spurlock is guilty of treason, I think the magnanimous point being made is that if Spurlock, a filmmaker is able to find Osama or even get close to him, its the US government who is guilty of treason for not expending resources to do what a journalist with limited resources does. They instead deluded the public while pursuing their own interests and expending many lives on both sides.
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I suppose there's some ironic comment to be made, here, if you step back and consider some Hollywood guy referring to Islamic Fundamentalist and terrorist Osama Bin Laden as "the Holy Grail." But that got me think about why the world hates us, and the answer is pretty simple, actually. The projections the rest of the world gets of America are either ones crafted by Hollywood -- by actors who are under-educated but think that winning the lottery in life (anyone can act--really! It's surprisingly easy, and anyone who talks of "the craft" of acting is full of it. Watch "The Actor's Studio sometime and ask yourself: Does sitting up on a stage while 200 people tell you how great you are sound like work? Does that sound hard? Then listen to what the actors say about their "work": Does it sound like, uh, work? "Oh, I had to read the script and really prepare for the role." "How did you prepare?" "I had to really prepare, mentally, for the role." "It's a difficult role." "Very difficult." "Yes." "Yes.") gives them the right to share their oversimplified understanding of the world, producers and directors and studio heads who are so singularly focused on money that they will put anything on screen, removing anything controversial or complex from worthwhile source material while adding layers and layers of grisliness and grotesqueness and senselessness to source material that never had a shred of a developed narrative going for it in the first place -- or by a politicians who are bent on simplifying the complexity of global politics to five word catchphrases. The truth is, America is some midwestern guy who's got 20 extra pounds, works a 10 hour day, has a wife whose putting on weight but who he still loves, and a young daughter he's spoiling rotten and a young boy who spends a little too much time indoors with his X-Box. But that's not the guy that's put out there...
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"The Muslims and Arabs demonize themselves. Here's what the Muslims need to do to improve their crappy public image. Quit blowing yourself up." I'd add only that it would help that if you ARE going to blow yourself up? Don't take 15 to 80 people with you...
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Dec 07, 2007 8:01:54 AM CST
He's not intended to be found. If he's found the war on terror i
by sircharleskarate
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Ethnic cleansing is one thing, I much prefer the term Genocide, but Ahmadinejad's comments were to say, lets remove them from this part of the world, what are they doing within the arab footprint. Not like " I want bomb the piss out that place". The Bush monkeys have been tying the Iranian nuclear program and that statement together since jump street.
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Let me just say this... some of you people are SOOOOOOOO stupid it is hard to even comprehend how you got access to the internet.
First of all, the government can't even find criminals here in our own country. Remember Eric Rudolph??? How do you expect them to find someone in TRULY third world nations, especially when the one he is most likely in we do not have permission to go into. And no, we can't just go do whatever we want there because the US -- if for no other reason than that country has nuclear weapons. And how is our government supposed to know his exact location all you conspiracy buffs? What, the overwhelming number of friendly people in those countries willing to risk their lives to tel us where he is? Oh, our top down satellites are supposed to pick his beard and outfit out from... everyone elses beard and outfit?? Our intelligence community was GUTTED by the democrats since Clinton take over (or have we forgotten how the CIA was directed not to work/give money to people who may be criminals in their country, because we're 'above' that, how we cut the number of actual intelligence operatives in other countries because we don't need it w/ our nifty spy satellites and such....
I can almost guarantee you Morgan Spurlock does not have firsthand Osama footage. It's hype -- if he had it they'd have rushed that movie out by now so they could make their big $$, and the likelihood that the footage would still be a secret if that were true is just about nil.
You 'morgan spurlock' is a traitor folks need to lighten up. If Morgan did interview Osama, there is most likely nothing he could have done. As said before, he wouldn't have a weapon, Osama would have been guarded, and most likely he wouldn't have known the location he was at -- what is he supposed to go to the government and say 'yeah, I just met with Osama in Pakistan -- go get him' -- duh, they already know that. And how do you even know that if he did meet with Osama that he didn't tell the government afterwards? Just because he didn't say so in the interview doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Osama planned and funded 9/11. Theoretically, it may have happend without him anyway, but I find it hard to believe it would have happened the way it did without the MILLIONS he brought with him when he left Saudi Arabia and went to Afghanistan. Osama has over 100 siblings and most of his family including his parents have disowned him. How dare we not jail or kill them all. Nevertheless, there is not only overwhelming proof that he is responsible for 9/11 but he has actually admitted it many times, including immediately after 9/11 and his most recent tape released within the last few weeks.
Just because you don't like the government, doesn't mean they're lieing to you about everything. And you can take that 'how do you even know bin laden or al queda exists' line to any extreme. How do you know anything outside your immediate realm of experience exists? You don't other than the evidence you've seen. If you've used your brain and actually read the evidence rather than quoting your favorite conspiracy theory, you'd know both Al Queda and Bin Laden are actually real and true entities. Or to put it in terms you can understand (those of you who question their existence) -- they're as real as anything you can know that you haven't experienced firsthand. I welcome those of you who question their existence to take trips into the tribal lands of Pakistan and find out for yourself and see what happens :)
George Bush is not an idiot. He had better grades at Yale than Kerry. And yeah, a lot of those were Bs and Cs -- go to Yale, harvard, or other similar ivey league institutions yourself and see how many As you earn. Is Bush a genius, the brightest person in the world, or even the best person who could be President -- no. But the fact that you don't like him or agree with his policies doesn't make him an idiot. And as for your 'international perspective', I could give a shit less -- I'm not going to lecture you on everything I dislike about your country. Your opinion is no more valid (less actually) than the other morons here who ARE from this country.
The whole issue of Israel taking land from the Palestinians is laughable. Where did the Palestinians get the land from? It was the jews before theirs. Why is the Palestinian claim precedent? In case the anti-zionists didn't notice, the jews took a piece of land that is mostly desert and turned it into a thriving, stable, first world democracy. Heaven forbid we support that over the Palestinians who have shown themselves to be great supporters of democracy and human rights lol. The Palestinians do need their own state, and even most Israelis have come to that realization. Unfortunately, the Palestinians for the last 10 years have taken a 'let's go for EVERYTHING we want and continually shoot ourselves in the foot' approach instead of just taking the Palestinian state they were offered and then demanding what the rest of what they wanted afterwards when they are a state.
How did this talkback thread turn into a debate of every other conspiracy theory (the kennedies??) and mid-east issue (iran??) that has nothing to do with the subject. I agree -- this talkback thread should get the hose!!!
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Just so you know I did use html to format that beast of a talkback but aicn stripped out the html :( I guess only linebreaks work :(
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..Put the fucking lotion in the basket!!!!
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It has nothing to do with Judaism (in fact, it is the antithesis of traditional Jewish teachings and cultural values), nor does it have anything to do with the support for Israel as a nation. It is an ideology that, first and foremost, views Zionist Jews (to the exclusion of non-Zionist Jews) as superior to all other people. That racist ideology forms the basis for much of Israel's Zionist policies towards Arabs and the world at large. To link Zionism with Jews in general is not only misleading, it presents a danger to Jewish people at large. Zionists believe that an endless war with the Arabs will ensure a secure Israel. This belief is not shared by the vast majority of Jews. Israel dragged America into the Middle East and is not fomenting a confrontation with Iran. You can see how Bush, in recent days, is having his strings pulled by the NeoCons despite reports about Iran abandoning its nuclear arms program 4 years ago. Israel is determined to use the USA as its proxy/puppet force in attacking Iran. This not only endangers American soldiers but Jews around the world.
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Here I quote the Rabbi Dovid Weiss:
"Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss, spokesman of Neturei Karta International, issued the following statement on the eve of the group's meeting with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
"It is always our pleasure to visit with President Ahmadinejad. This will be the third such meeting, in addition to our many visits to Iran in the past. We have each time emphasized to the Iranian leadership that, despite media hysteria and the statements of some misinformed Jews, we have found the Iranian people and their leaders to be friendly and respectful."
"Likewise, although we as Jews are not to be involved in politics, (According to Jewish law, Jewish people are required to be loyal citizens to the countries wherein they reside), We have found the Iranian President to be a deeply religious man, dedicated to a peaceful world, based on mutual respect, fairness and dialogue."
"Judaism seeks peace. Unfortunately, there are some Jews today, influenced by the barely century old, philosophy of Zionism, who feel that the proper Jewish response to enemies, be they real or fantasized, is aggression and calls for violence and unfortunately attempts to drag other nations down the path of war."
"It as sad that so few have actually attempted to speak to the Iranian President or seek the true opinion of Iranian Jewry who live in peace and practice their faith throughout that nation. We have met this man who has demonstrated time and again that he is sincerely interested in the well being of Iran's Jewish community and has deep respect for world Jewry and their Torah faith, The Zionist attempt to socially isolate this man and his people is immoral and disastrous"
"Zionism is antithetical to Torah beliefs. It believes in creating our own sovereign entity which is expressly forbidden due to the Divine decree of exile. This ideology leads to aggression against nations and is incarnated in the State of "Israel". This State continually oppresses other people in the name of Judaism and the entire Jewish people. This movement has exacerbated anti Semitism throughout the world. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad understands this distinction between traditional Judaism and Zionist distortion."
"We view our approach to Iran as a model for all Jews and all mankind. The Torah is the Almighty's blueprint of mercy and justice for all creation. We have followed this modal in our dealings with the Iranian President and found in him an individual dedicated to these same ideals. There is much to be gained by talking and listening and everything to be lost by raising the rhetoric in the direction of war." Â The grave tragedy of our era is the inordinate power garnered by Zionism, whose acceptance of force as the only means to reconcile conflicts, has influenced some to abandon Torah fundamentals. We hope and pray that they too will adopt the traditional Jewish approach of dialogue, respect and reconciliation."
"War is a horrible thing. The dark clouds of a future conflict are now on the horizon in the Middle East. Torah Jewry hopes and prays that this may yet be averted."
In conclusion says Rabbi Weiss, "Out of great respect to the Iranian Nation and their leadership we proudly welcome the Honorable President Ahmadinejad to New York, WELCOME!""
Happy Hanukkah to my Jewish brothers and sisters. Shalom, Salaam, Peace. BSB -
It's very simple:
If you ask most Israelis and most Jews around the world if they are Zionists, most of them will say yes. End of story.
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If you ask most Israelis and Jews if they support Israel, they will say yes. If you ask them if they support Zionism and its American arm, NeoConservatism, they will vehemently and vociferously object. Therein lies the difference.
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Dec 07, 2007 1:00:59 PM CST
YOU CAN ALSO ASK STEVEN SPIELBERG IF HE SUPPORTS ZIONISM
by bringingsexyback
After the maelstrom of criticism he received after making Munich, I highly doubt you'll find him answering in the affirmative.
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You're sounding more and more like a crazy person. The only people that use the term "Zionism" or "Zioists" are anti-semites. Yikes.
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No, you're wrong. Most Jews will say they support Zionism since most Jews haven't redefined the meaning of the term. That's simply a fact. I am also quite sure that Spielberg would call himself a supporter of Zionism.
I visited a kibbutz once in northern Israel which was run much more as a socialist organization than many other kibbutzes in the area. They all supported turning over the West Bank to the Palestinians, but they also all called themselves Zionists.
If you are prepared to call all Zionists evil racists, then you have to be prepared to call most Jews evil racists. But of course, we all know that this is the whole point, yes?
By the way, I find it endlessly entertaining to read the posts in which you try to portray the wacky Neturei Karta fringe group as representative of "true" Judaism. It's almost as funny as when you choose to portray a fringe nutjob minority of racist Zionists as representative of all Zionists. -
And how did you come to that brilliant conclusion? "Zionism" too big a word for you to digest? It's a word, people use it. Deal with it, tard.
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but thankfully the vast majority of Jews are not Zionists. And I thought you would know me by now, Doc. I speak my mind, I say clearly what I intend to say.
NK are not a fringe group, as you so call it. If you want to refute their stance, then do so logically. Calling them "fringe" accomplishes nothing except to give credence to their position. -
Again, you are so off the mark it's amazing. The vast majority of Jews support Zionism in its true and original meaning, namely the support of a Jewish homeland in the Middle East. You can ask virtually any Israeli, from the far left to the far right, as well as most Jews elsewhere if they support Zionism and they will in most cases say yes. This is simply a fact.
You're right, I do know you by now. You're not fooling anyone, brokedick. Attaching new meaning to words in order to demonize a group of people is nothing new. It has a long, sordid and tragic history and it doesn't surprise me in the slightest to see you employ such a slimy tactic.
By the way, how, pray tell, is a splinter group as small as the NK, with views shared by so few of their sectarian brethren NOT a fringe group? They are about as fringe as Jews For Jesus.
And they loved Ayatollah Khomeini.
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