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Producers Attempt To Defend McG As Director Of TERMINATOR SALVATION In EW Article!!
Merrick here...
The producers of TERMINATOR SALVATION gave a project update to Entertainment Weekly. Two interesting tidbits of news/non-news include:
Will Schwarzenegger be returning in any form?
KUBICEK: He may make a cameo.
ANDERSON: It still hasn't been determined, but if he does, it would be a very small cameo.
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Terminator fans seem to be pretty supportive of the casting of Bale. They're a little more skeptical about McG.
ANDERSON: People can only speak to the body of work that they've seen of his [including Charlie's Angels and We Are Marshall]. Some people love it and some people don't. I think one of the things that we're certain of is, this is gonna be the next step in his career as a filmmaker. He's bringing all of his past experience and his amazing vision.
KUBICEK: McG is a huge Terminator fan. He is as excited as we are about bringing the franchise into the future. And again, Christian is such a committed, incredible actor. He doesn't choose the roles he takes lightly. So I think that's an endorsement of the script and certainly of McG. Somebody like Christian wouldn't have signed on for a project if he didn't feel he was in great hands with his director.
Ummm..."People can only speak to the body of work that they've seen of his".
Yeeeaaaahhhh. And...
The entirety of the interview can be accessed HERE!!!
KUBICEK: He may make a cameo.
ANDERSON: It still hasn't been determined, but if he does, it would be a very small cameo.
ANDERSON: People can only speak to the body of work that they've seen of his [including Charlie's Angels and We Are Marshall]. Some people love it and some people don't. I think one of the things that we're certain of is, this is gonna be the next step in his career as a filmmaker. He's bringing all of his past experience and his amazing vision.
KUBICEK: McG is a huge Terminator fan. He is as excited as we are about bringing the franchise into the future. And again, Christian is such a committed, incredible actor. He doesn't choose the roles he takes lightly. So I think that's an endorsement of the script and certainly of McG. Somebody like Christian wouldn't have signed on for a project if he didn't feel he was in great hands with his director.
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that makes him okay in my book.
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if he wants to be taken seriously... Let this be the first film of his to do that. But yea, having Bale on board does give the script a good endorsement... He's been in nothing but quality work before and after Batman Begins...
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Not like Bale needs a meal ticket.
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use your whole name, dude, if you want folks to think you are a real filmmaker.
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Bale=good movie. Or so the producers would have us believe.
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I have a bad feeling about this one. Then again even in the eyes of a bad director some actors can raise the bar high enough to make up for it. Straight to DVD, next to the next Santa clause Tim Allen movie.
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It seems like they are saying: "Yeah, we know his movies are crap, but trust us, he has a brilliant vision and this a big step forward for him"
OK. Why couldn't they have got on the Battlestar Galactica director's to do it. Sure, it's a huge movie, but the effects are great and it's the sort of raw, documentary style which would be good for this movie. -
Films have no sole anymore. What happened? This isnt just directed at terminator and im sure with bale in it it will be much better than terminator 3. Its just theres prob 2 maybe 3 good films a year. Thats it! This year all we have had is no country and this is england.
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I just do not get why the studios go in the directions they do. I don't get it. Hey if it smells like shit, it mostly likely is.
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Im telin you, if cameron aint got nothing ot do with it it will be shit.
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Did the upcoming Fox TV show begat this mess? Or...was this T4 script already penned before it got picked up? A quick Arnold cameo will NOT help its case...btw.
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already on damage control.
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Not a McG fan but I'll wait until the movie is out until I make comment - which is really what everone else should do - unless you have a time machine, travelled to 2009 and saw T4. But I'm sure as hell fired up for Bale as Connor!
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Dec 05, 2007 9:33:36 AM CST
Could be worse, they could have hired Bay to ruin another robot
by photoboy
And with Bale on board at least John Connor will be cool.
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Have some faith.. We are Marshall was pretty good and had some moving performances.. With Bale on board, I have faith. Don't let me down Hollywood...
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Well, basically, he's very capable at shooting action stuff. He may choose a tone you don't like, but he shoots it very well.
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"I think one of the things that we're certain of is, this is gonna be the next step in his career as a filmmaker." REALLY DEREK? YOU THINK? ARE YOU SURE THIS IS HIS NEXT STEP? What a dumbass
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For all we know they could have a fantastic script ready. Although what I don't get is what this movie is going to be about. It's not the end of the franchise, it's the beginning of a new set of movies, but where's the tension? We already know John survives through this and then is later killed by the Arnold Terminator seen in T3. We know that Catherine Brewster, John's wife (OK, so she's now called Catherine Connor - still a sucky name) was the one that sent that Terminator back to T3 time after it was re-programmed. We know that before that John sends Kyle Reese back in time to save his mother and become his father. You get the feeling WE SHOULDN'T BE SEEING THIS because the logic of the story is already hanging by the thinnest of threads! We were never meant to see John sending Reese back, it's a fucking great paradox that he sends his own father back. So all through Salvation John's going to be looking at Reese and thinking 'he's my father...' they'll share manly hugs and whatever and Reese will be like 'what was that for?' and John will be like 'well, it's just...you're like a father to me, is all...' 'but I'm 10 years younger than you or some shit' 'yeah...well...I'm sending you back AND YOU BETTER FUCK MY MOM OR ELSE I'LL NEVER EXIST!!!' Do you still want to see this movie? Maybe for the explosions and Cameron-influenced future vision.
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McG has anything to do with Chuck still, I think he can pull it off as long as he has someone else direct the action scenes. Terminator is not a FAST action movie. One of the most classic scenes in the mall of T2 when they do the slow mo with the gun coming out of the thing of roses. What ever happened to Slow Mo? Slow Mo made action AWESOME! I hope there is some cool Slow Mo Rambo.
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...is NOT the place for on the job training, which is exactly what these producers are telling us. Whether it be Charlie's Angels, Fastlane, The OC...everything in his style is hyper-kinetic and reeks of ADHD, which is NOT what we need in a Terminator movie...Terminators are relentless, unstoppable, but NOT bad wire-fu and stop motion editing. At least Mostow understood that in T3. I guarantee we are going to hear set reports about clashes between Bale and McG.
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Thanks god the internet wasn't around in the 50's & 60's (or even the 70's) when some of my favorite directors were making their first films or they might not have ever developed into the creative masterminds that they are.
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I haven't even clicked on this TB and I'm betting it was!
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Oh, no he isn't. Damn. I got quite excited then.
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More inexplicable, and probably explored in about 600 other comments, is why Christian Bale thinks he can fill Edward Furlong's size 5 petite shoes.
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Dec 05, 2007 10:05:37 AM CST
you could actually do a lot worse than McG, if you think about i
by pviii
sadly. And We Are Marshall was nicely restrained. I am betting this is pretty good, and I'd still take McG over Mostow any day.
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I stand by my previous wager: a hundred dollars to the charity of Harry's choice if a Terminator movie starring Christian Bale gets made in the next 2 years. It still feels wobbly and unreal.
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they better explain how in the scant 10 years or so between john connor at the end of T3 and john connor the soldier in the scenes of T2, humankind came out of the rubble and managed to develop freakin'Lazer guns and making them plentiful. The series kinda screwed itself with flash-forwarding to such high technology like it was the FAAAAAAAAR future when it's well within john's lifetime and there's no mention of it by his age in the last flick.
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T+A+crazy action+whimsical characters. You guys are afraid he will use the same tone for Terminator? That's a fucking stupid thing to think.
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bale has to make a bomb sooner or later. and statistically speaking, McG is due to drop another one on the world.
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Who doesn't like ze Germans?
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for whatever his role is/was in bringing us Chuck. Love that series. However, if he wants to win over the fans and critics, I'd say he'd have to throw out all his previous 'visions' of what he perceives good movies to be. It's his 'previous body of work' that's giving everyone angst. The Terminator series represents classic action, not jazzed up, flashy, comical action. It's deep, fleshed out stories and characters not shallow, 'just make me look pretty' crap you'd find in a music video. It's caring deeply about the overall story arc and themes and not about first creating pretty vignettes and shoe-horning them in to make a 90 minute film. Terminator has substance. Well thought out, well made substance. If McG wants to make a Terminator movie that isn't going to get universally ridiculed, he's going to have to work so hard, blood will spurt out every pore of his body. He's better off proving himself with some other movie first. Get some respect as a director (and no, good box office results don't automatically mean good director).
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unless the john connor from t3 has a son and names him john connor, i just don't see how mankind will
crawl out of the rubble
be enslaved by robots that haven't been built yet and then build more factories and robots
make laser guns
create and distribute uniforms
form a resistance force
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No Michael Bay!!
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also when watching the scenes in T2 where sarah and john are hiding out with the hispanic gun nut- the Dog is playing with john and could give a shit about arnold bein g right there. so dogs can sniff out if a termie is programmed good or bad?...anyway, just a small hole i noticed.
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Dec 05, 2007 10:21:42 AM CST
"People can only speak to the body of work that they've seen of
by i dunno
Yeah, what prejudiced assholes we are!
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Which was okay, although Nick Stahl was not John Connor by any stretch of the imagination. Christian Bale? I can see him as John Connor. That'll definitely work. If the story involves sending back Reese and then reprogramming the T700 that he sends back for T2, I'm there, baby. Forget the chick terminator, that whole thing was stupid, except for the fight scenes, anyway.
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So sue me. But the tone and style of those movies, or anything even close, would suck for Terminator 4: Salvation of the Franchise.
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A brand new Oscar category for 2009.
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If they have (supposedly) a good script in place...and they sought out Mr. MTV Charlie's Angels Wire-Fu Man...might as well have gone with the Woo. At least then we have the possibility of some innovatively set action sequences, as opposed to the Xerox of that.
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Reese said that Terminators can sweat. Dogs sense fear or malice through what humans secrete from their sweat glands. So yes, dogs would be able to detect even the intentions of a Terminator.Yes, that was all horseshit I just pulled out of my ass.
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Ok. No talk about who's playing the nemesis, Marcus? A marketing ploy to surprise us later or they have yet to decide which actor? I have a feeling that EW did ask but that part of the question was left out intentionally in the article...because they're going for the surprise. Well, not to worry, we got those reliable Hungarian paparzzis to find that out for us when they're on set. Hey, if it could happen to Tom Cruise "surprise" cameo for Ben Stiller's Thunder Tropic, it could happen for T4.
My guess for that surprise "plum role" would be none other than...
*****SPOILER!!!!!*****************
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damn that would have made me want to see T4. talk about some over the top gun fights with a terminator..
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And Roger Corman likes ice cream!
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Some of my favorite films, the first two. They should have made me director!
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Hey, anyone here from Hungary or traveling abroad to Hungary anytime from April-August 2008? Do us a favor here and get those damn shot!
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ooh...i bet that skynet gets some john connor blueprints and dna and makes a connor termie to replace john.and it would almost work too, if only his new orders to 'lay down your guns and get shot by the machines' hadn't seemed so odd. or maybe we'll get treated to more of that shitty premise where the hero fights his double, and a a crucial moment of confusion tells someone to 'shoot him! he's the terminator!'..'no shoot him i'm john connor!'...and the decision will come down to the real guy citing some old memory that only he would know...sigh...BORING.
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...someone has compromising pictures of Bale possibly copulating with some rare ostrich species or perhaps blowing a mountain lion. I just can't understand what he's thinking here (not that he's the greatest working actor but still T4 with McG??!?! really?!?!). Even if the script was stellar, it's still a somewhat exploitative take, story-wise (this series should have stopped at T2). I've been a fan of the Terminator series since '84 (not a big fan of T3 but that's another post); I think this "qualifies" me to put forth a critique. Sorry to the sensitive who don't think anyone should be able to say anything bad about anything (or just simply disagree with them). I love how you guys are like "You cannot dislike this movie unless you make a better movie!!" Yeah, nice one genius. Almost bumper sticker logic there. Hope you didn't set off the smoke alarms with that gem of an argument.I have no hope or faith but will be happy to stand corrected if this kicks ass. T3 was mostly worthless except for Claire Danes. I don't know...I can't say I have no desire to see the war ("it's what the fans want!! they want it!!! ALL fans want it!!!" well the "fans" wanted AvP too and look where that got us!) but it just seems we've now got an electric light parade around an already dead horse story-wise. I'd be happy to be wrong...but I doubt I will.
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That's the figure I hear that the shot is worth. Just one shot. Damn! Oh boy!
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Dec 05, 2007 10:39:51 AM CST
I think I might live to see a President with a stupid nickname
by inwosuxred
Grown adults putting a man that calls himself McG in charge of making a big movie is just one small step in our devolution. All hail President P-Dog!
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Not even the mighty Bale can save this travesty. The problem with time travel stories is that the more times you go back to the well to do an new story you run a risk of contradicting something you previously did. Also, I wonder how this will tie in with the new TV series? Oh, and somebody brought up a good point of how does a pretty much decimated world somehow develop advanced weaponry? McG, bless his little heart, sure Chuck's great but everything else he's done sucks and his style is so opposite the Cameron style that the two just don't go together, it's like Burton and Schumacher, the two style just don't match.
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we already have a knickname dispensing president....and he's also called "W" or dubya
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... Something along the lines of "Check, please!"
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We need about 4 pigeons to survive in the future
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yeah- they'll have to wrap up the rise to resistance pretty damn fast, and it'll be as disatrous as lucas condensing the entire rise of darth and the empire across the 3 prequels- only this they'll pretty much have to do in one movie.....unless they just jump ahead entirely and insult our intelligence with a future war with no setup. just taken at face value.
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McG's amazing vision? Somewhere James Cameron is both laughing and crying. It can't be easy seeing your child get repeatedly fucked by Hollyweird.
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his only quality being to use his real name and not a lame ass alias. Elf and Zathura were atrocious movies, far more than any Charlies Angels. And now, everybody is supportive of his choices for Iron Man. So chill the fuck out.
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You know, regardless of what you may think of him or this show, his direction of the pilot of CHUCK was really slick, with crisp editing and some really cool shots.....it didn't look anonymous and did have some great moments of action...So, you know, he would probably be fine. Certainly an improvement over the last one.
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...is the headline from a major Hungarian newspaper "Budapester Zeitung"
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They drove a big dump truck full of money up to Bale's house. He's not made of stone.
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Hardly. Anybody see Equilibrium or Reign of Fire?
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i just don't see how they are going to pull off a T4-like omar said- without tripping up on their own continuity. T2 was a worthy movie that gave the series the second curve of it's moebius strip of time. the 3rd one was like a needless tangent, causing more confusion than answers...and a fourth one would pretty much have to ba an alternate timeline to work- which would be pretty unforgivable.
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At least Favreau directed Swingers which even though it was a comedy, was very well shot. And let's admit it, Robert Downey Jr's sarcastic performance was the only really appealing part of the Iron Man trailer. I think that's enough to get people's hopes up.
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I think he gets extra flack because his name is McG, and it's stupid and sounds shallow and hollow. Of course, he chose the name. Can you imagine him doing a holocaust movie, Drew Barrymore *is* Eva Braun, and a few months later, and the Oscar goes to... McG??!! Yeah, right. So change your name - you're making movies, not DJing a rave, and you could make RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK and people will still think you're a moron.
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Dec 05, 2007 10:54:52 AM CST
The issue is that 'Terminator' franchise is now a joke to mainst
by gibsonusa
Anyone seen the commercials for the TV show...with that teen/college girl Terminator?
"Come with me if you want to live....like, FOR SURE!!"
Idiotic. Even people who walk into this Bale movie will do so with a grin, buying a ticket with the same attitude they did buying a ticket to a videogame movie or something.
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I didn't realize being a big fan was the only credential you needed.
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Charlies Angels was OK, Charlies Angels 2 was a trainwreck, We Are Marshall was very, very, good.
T4 will be good if McG can steer the Terminator series back towards taking itself very, very, seriously - which is how T2 succeeded in my opinion - sure, there were some cool scenes, but the earnestness of Sarah Connor's narration and the conviction with which she wants to change the future, coupled with the emotion of scenes such as the playground burning really make the film. Without this, it will turn into any other random post-apocalyptic movie about killer robots... -
Anyone have a link to a streaming version of that "Bodyguard" movie with Kevin Costner and Whitney Houston?...
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"Doubya" is pretty close to what I'm talking about, but what I'm thinking would be the like reporters starting questions with "Doubya" instead of "Mr. President". I can't wait for the first President to start a speech by reading "Shit..." off a prompter like President Cammacho did.
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I think the way to go is to drop the time-travel aspects almost completely: Make the story about something else - the first film could be almost like Dawn of the Dead or 28 Days Later - Connor leaves the bunker and gathers together some survivors as they run from the beginnings of Skynet's robot army and try and reach some place they can set up camp?
Or, do a Galactica rip-off and make it about the realisation that the Terminators now look human and they could be anyone, who can you trust etc...
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She was the heart and soul. Rip her out and you're left with a heartless moneymaker like Mostow's effort. Terminator and T2 make a satisfying, complete storyline. Hollywood is just fucking the concept for cash. McG is a video stylist, not a competent film director.
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I saw both, and both were adequate films. Neither were bad by any stretch of the imagination.
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i see what you mean, but i disagree.
that's like saying the alien movies were about ripley...and you see where that got us. it was fine to have ripley and sarah in the first two movies, you got to see how A) a human woman can overcome adversity, and B)how she can become a badass expert as a result...but beyond that, the next step would be self sacrifice, which ripley should have been left at in alien3, and sarah should have been able to do in T3, but she wanted no part of the movie, i heard. -
... butts and breasts. In slow motion." And that is bad because...
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With the TV series, this franchise has strayed far from the T1/T2 universe we know and love. It's almost like a different thing that shouldnt be called Terminator.
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both he and arnie should have cameos as soldiers of resistance in t4! that would be awesome.
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Dec 05, 2007 11:16:41 AM CST
It's really telling when even in a mag fluff piece...
by jackpumpkinhead
...the interviewer points out what an utter piece of shit was chosen for the director. Of course, if McG is fired by any chance, there still are Pitof, KAOS, Tarsem and Pink (or Mink, or Stink, or whatever the hell he calls himself) to take over the project... so it's safe! Hope it will be completely Arnordless, that will make it easy to ignore, the way that e.g. the alleged existence of any sequels to Highlander is ignored.
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I liked T3, a lot, actually, and liked Nick Stahl as John Connor. And the ending was freaking PERFECT. That said, Christian Bale will probably be awesome. McG tho, man I dont know. I think one thing they need to do, story-wise, is destroy some of the Terminator continuity. Like have John's wife get killed, or something, or else all you're left with is "well it's all going to work out because it's already been preordained by the first 3 movies that John wins and nothing can change that", and you have no feeling of danger at all.
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What a un-AWESOME! new
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...who plays the Terminator?Or the lead bad guy?Maybe they do all CGI Terminators.I dont know about this one.
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I'd love to see the section devoted to the Terminator's planning, construction, programming and leaving the factory... see the Terminator move quickly and be shown in rapid zooms... see all the shootouts and chases in magnificent shake-cam... oh, how wonderful that would be.
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well, the one thing that isn't pre-ordained is what happens after the point where john is killed by a terminator in the future...beyond that is open.so, does he have to die? or does keeping hm from dying kick off T4? because the axis point for everything is him getting killed in the future.
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He's got a decent track record in regards the TV shows he's produced and his Charlie's Angels films did exactly what they were meant to. Visually, he's quite inventive (CA - Full Throttle looked like bubblegum on film. It was great) and in terms of making something watchable, none of his films have been boring. I'm quite looking forward to seeing what he'll do with the franchise. At least it'll be more interesting than T3, and anyway, in nobody's wildest dreams is T4 going to be some kind of groundbreaking masterwork. No fourth film in a series ever is. Gotta admit though, McG does sound like someone who should be directing hard-core gonzo porn.
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The dog in T2 wasn't trained to sniff out Terminators, it was just trained to be happy. That's why it was happy to have Arnie around. You have to train dogs to do shit otherwise they're just idiots that can't even keep their tongues in their mouths.
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...he's basically admitting that he creates overly processed consumerist mass market crap which sells well, but is in fact really shitty. Thats why the industry shills like him but the public hates him...except for those who like to be fed crap.
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when you get right to it- how pointless is gun use in the series- and yet, how heavy is it?
in T1 guns were useless against a termie, slowing him down a bit a best. In T2, even MORE useless against a liquid termie- and arnold's T should've known this, yet they keep plugging shotgun rounds into him (again, only slowing) and numerous handgun rounds. Same goes for T3. Eveytime we see arnold whip out his big symbolic gun, we all ooh and ahh but they don't do shit. In all three, it's only something huge and outside the normal means that destroys a termie...crushing-melting-electromagnetizing...so there must be some key to these 'laser guns' we see in the future. a sure way to fry the CPU's with a good shot? -
but the dog owned by john's foster parents wasn't trained to sniff out termies and it was going crazy outside the house when the liquid terminator was his stepmom.
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from Superbad directing the next terminator? I though McG was a 26 year old Hawaiian organ donor. Ohhh, that's McLovin. Still, Christopher Mintz-Plasse may be a better choice than McG.
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besides, wouldn't a dog owned by the gun nut friend of sarah's (who knows her story) maybe have trained it for a terminator return- or to at least attack strangers? after all, he stocked up for the eventuality.
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...wrapped a laser gun in living tissue so that it could be tranported back to the past. In fact, if they can mass produce terminators with metal endoskeletons with tissue coverings, they could create entire assault vehicles wrapped in living tissue, complete with a laser turret.
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Not to defend this likely mediocre fourth Terminator film but the Resistance's use of advanced technology could easily be explained by raiding a Machines outpost and taking their weapons and equipment (they used the Machine's time displacement gear after all). Notice how in the beginning of T2 (the war scene), "800" series Terminators are fighting without any skin and also using hand-held rifles (as in, not built in like the silly "Terminatrix"). For example, it's my belief that the "Phased plasma-pulse laser in the 40watt range" from T1 is Machine tech, invented and developed by the Machines and then stolen and appropriated by the human resistence. Just a theory.
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...and a lot of people I know and people who were film savvy that I knew from the video store I managed, loved it. Not just liked it, loved it! I also liked Harry's review and agreed with it. Some of you are too young, too jaded or too critical to see the good in it and that is fine. No one will say the Charlie's Angels movies were great films but they were giddy fun, adrenalin fueled movies aimed at teens. A lot of people liked the movies and the box office numbers verifies it and a lot of movie lovers will say the same thing. On the other hand, many people didn't. One thing I do know... McG will do a better job directing any movie over some internet critics who only spend their time bitching about things they could have done better rather than ACTUALLY doing anything. Let's wait and see if it is any good before we damn it. (I'm not a Michael Bay fan or a Transformers fan but I liked the Transformers movie.)
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Unless the new movies is just in the future, no present or past. The moment they star traveling the thing unravels. Also, though the robots are a threat the little bit of the human population left would be more concerned with building infrastructure, electricity, water, communication, housing, not weaponry. People have lived under subjugation for centuries and in war torn regions too, what always remains the same is trying to live first then fight back. They have to figure out a stable source of non contaminated food and water in a radioactive environment. The weaponry would be built eventually but people have to be able to eat before thinking about building guns.
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"Some of you are too young, too jaded or too critical to see the good in it and that is fine." Shit, at least I know what category I fall into now.And AnimalStructure, he was good in Batman Begins (fat? your hate for Batman Begins has made your vision blurry), The Prestige (another good Nolan movie I might add), American Psycho, and though I haven't seen them, 3:10 to Yuma and Rescue Dawn, he's gotten good reviews for those roles.
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but that sucked!
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Perhaps, but one totally kick ass thing that was developed by T2 was simply that the technology behind the Terminators was never actually created or invented. A paradox yes but a very kewl one; send the T-800/Model 101 back in time...it gets destroyed but the cpu and arm survive. Take that 'found' technology and reverse-engineer it to develop what would eventually become the Machines. In other words, nobody/nothing created or invented the technology of the Machines. This paradox is even better than Conner meeting his 'many years younger' father in the future and sending him back in time to ensure his own procreation and existence. Where did the Machine technology come from since it did not originate in the mind of humankind?
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While I don't think it sucked, it wasn't great either. Hey, what actor is in a good-to-great movie every single movie?
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The first paragraph says that Bale is "all but signed" and something else about "heavy talks" but this film isn't actually a GO with Christian Bale in it. Not saying it won't happen, but this is still in the works and not for sure yet.
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No Cameron, no Arnold, no fucking Brad Fiedel! There is nothing promising about this film aside from Bale and you cant save a film with one good actor.
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I have already converted Cobra--Kai. He like other true believers have witnessed the awesome power that is the gun-kata. Bale owned in that movie. To all others I say rent it for yourself an you will understand by Batman Begins was a step down for bale. Don't believe me, check out the multiple You Tube postings,but beware spoilers. Reign of Fire- okay, now that was a good movie that could have been great, but wasn't. I didn't hate it, but the plot really needed to be fleshed out more.
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Why would that even be necessary? They are the bosses...can't they just get rid of the director? The script (supposedly) is in place, Bale is all but signed, get rid of Ronald McDonald while you still can. Filming is not even close yet.
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from the inside. guaranteed. He is such a fan of terminator 2 that when he isn't in elevators pretending to get attacked by the T-1000, he is attempting to turn this into another Apocalypse Now but have it fall on it's ass.
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First of all, box office numbers don’t necessarily reflect the skill level of the director. A bad director can do well at the box office and a good director can bomb at the box office. The box office numbers aren’t part of the criteria we AICN geeks are going to look at when we evaluate the suitability of a director for a particular film. That’s why directors like say Roland Emmerich who made that hugely successful mess ID4, regularly get dissed here. The issue is whether or not people have faith, based on demonstrated talent/skill/style, that the director stands a good chance of making a good, faithful movie worthy of the franchise. Charlie’s Angels might’ve done well numbers wise and it might even be considered to have been a ‘good, fun, popcorn movie’ but it’s hardly a movie that demonstrates substance, depth, an understanding of human or social themes, strong story structures, character and relationships etc or even good, memorable action sequences. At best, CA was light fun. It’s also important to understand that Terminator is one of those movie properties that will appear on any geeks “Sacred” list along with Aliens, Star Wars, LOTR etc. It’s not the type of movie that geeks who post on AICN want just any director who’s had some success at the box office directing. It takes years and years (or maybe never) before the next Terminator movie might get made. If that’s the case and if they’re going to bother investing huge sums of $$ to make the film, we’d want someone who stands a much better chance of making a great movie then rolling the dice with someone who has yet to prove himself capable of making a solid, quality film. This is just common sense in any business. You’re not going to give a high profile, high budget project to a guy who has a mediocre resume and a mediocre portfolio. You’re going to give it to the guy who’s proven himself. Of course that doesn’t guarantee success, but it’s a much safer bet for all that money. If McG were directing the next Anaconda Dungeons and Dragons, I don’t think there’d be this big fuss.
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He has done so well, I hope he doesn't flush it away with this choice. These producers are dickheads, and insult our collective intelligence by saying things like: "Somebody like Christian wouldn't have signed on for a project if he didn't feel he was in great hands with his director'," and "People can only speak to the body of work that they've seen of his". I'm not saying there's no chance this movie could kick unholy ass. I'm just saying their tone in the interview is patronizing, and their points don't sufficiently acknowledge my concerns. Now they'll have to do another interview, defending this interview, and so on, like an insane Mr. Show sketch.
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would destroy. that would be like the heavens opening up with a brutal swedish metal riff and telling me that it will be awesome. Viking awesome. Seriously, if that happens. Bale as Conner and Stallone as The Terminator. This franchise will work.
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Come here. We have beer and whores.
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If they change the director, they might have one of the best trilogies ever! Providing of course that they stay true to the mythos, characters, and feel/look of the other Terminator movies.
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Didn't Paul WS Anderson claim to be a huge fan of the Alien and Predator franchises as well? And how was AVP again?
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There are about a half dozen posts here saying Ronald McDonald actually "isn't that bad". But when does being "not bad" qualify you to direct a big name franchise? That's like putting a driver who's "not bad" into NASCAR.
And STALLONE YES! LOL, it would be awesome if he made and UNCREDITED appearance in the movie as a freedom fighter. It's like, you're watching a team od soldiers fighting, and one of them just happens to be Stallone, who says a few lines, then runs into battle. Uncredited, total surprise, that would be awesome! -
AnimalStructure - Well, unlike you, he doesn't advocate genocide and mass abortions. And I'm pretty sure that if you checked his IMDB listing, you'd find a respected and growing body of work.
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Everynight in my dreams, I see yew, I feeeeeeel yeeeeeeeew! That is how I know I....can direct!
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I just read (on some other movie site) that the new terminator is to be part 1 of three - so T4, T5 and T6 will be a complete trilogy story arch. Didn't say if Bale is in all 3 or not. is this common knowledge? perhaps I should crawl out from under my rock more often.
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Definitely not a modern day Citizen Kane or anything but it showed me that McG was capable of making a movie that wasn't heavily-stylized crap. Don't get me wrong, I loathe the guy on principal but there's some hope for him. If he goes the Marshall route with T4 or 5 or whatever the hell it is, if he tones it down and just lets Bale do his thing I think it'll be fine.
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Fuck you suits!
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In his directing evolution, the forgot to mention if that was a step forward, or backwards.
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"Why couldn't they have got on(e of) the Battlestar Galactica director's to do it." Um, because their show sucks worse than anything even McG has done? That could be an issue. Still suprised McG and Bale signed up though. I guess you can put out more cash when you don't have to feed the bottomless hole of greed that is Arnie.
Abin Sur: Yeah, because all that Wire-Fu in We Are Marshall really fucked that film up. It was like when the studio fucked up and hired Scorsese to do Last Temptation. Not a single fuck or pen to the neck. Idiots. I agree with some of the other doofus's here. Laser guns? Camerons Albert Pyun Future sort of set a precedent for a shitty looking cheesy future. Maybe they will just ignore continuity. You know what though? I don't really like McG for this...Even though I think hes a good director. Sort of like when they brought Jeunet or Fincher onto Aliens. Its just polishing a turd. Mostow and his team, even the writers, did a good job on T3...But the fucking franchise/concept is dead. Theres just no steam in it. Favreau: At least he had Made, which was really good. -
I McG really just that less expensive/intrusive than everyone else? It makes no sense. Is it an ego thing? Movies change directors all the time...its not embarassing or ego-hurting. Bring in someone qualified like Ridley Scott, someone who meets your cost requirements and vision. Its possible.
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It should be noted that I know almost nothing about McG. He could be the greatest guy ever for all I know. I have never seen Charlie's Angels. I am just discussing the concept of a supposedly lackluster director put in charge of a big project, and the response that its because he simply loves the material.
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Put your McMoney money where your McMouth is!
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is that is was directed by Kurt "Ultraviolet" Wimmer, and looked like a Matrix clone. Is it worth my time and effort? And Mr. Bale's career starting with a great young performance in Empire Of The Sun was not a bad way to start...Cadillac of the sky!!...
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My biggest problem with McG isn't his body of work, it's his alias. McG? Come on. I think it's time to start using your real name, Mc. For an interview I wouldn't even know how to address you.
McG: Hey there!
Me (sitting down): Hi... uh... Mr... uh... um... G.
McG: Funny how I still use the name my high school buddies gave me, huh?
Me: I suppose. So what should I call you?
McG (scratches chin): Let's see... how about Manny?
Me: Manny?
McG: Yeah. Call me Manny the Man! Yeah... that's cool too.
Me: Mmm, ok. So, about this new Terminator film...
I hope the new film kicks ass. I'd love to see Bale and his soldiers blast the shit out of those motherfucking cyborgs. I want the scenes to feel as real and bloody and pulse-pounding as Reese's memory of the red-eyed Terminator break in. I want the sadness of what's been lost, the desperation and tears of the survivors, I want the screams of people being roasted alive in giant machine-driven ovens, and, most of all, I want to see sullen but steely eyed Bale bring humanity back from the edge.
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...despite all good intentions. It happens. Bale has been amazing in everything he's been in for a while, and he'll probably be fantastic in this. But that doesn't mean a shitty script or a shitty directing job can't bring it down.There's not one actor out there who hasn't made a bad movie. Sometimes even with very good directors.
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Equilibrium was quite a pleasant surprise when I rented it.
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A fucking cameo by Arnie is all this is going to have? It already sucks ass even before shooting. The lisping warrior can't even save this but I guess the guy's getting a paycheck so hooray.
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I used to be able to a long time ago but haven't tried in YEARS. Anywho, tonite I will try again and let you all know how it goes.
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Dec 05, 2007 3:28:34 PM CST
The point of Phantom Menace was to create a new legion of kiddie
by gibsonusa
Nothing else.
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It was to sell millions and millions of toys, using little Anakin and Jar Jar as the vehicles.
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You wrote, "Sad but true, a great actor do[es] not a good movie make." I agree. Bale thrown into a clusterfuck of ideas won't produce a good film.
The key to directing a good new Terminator film, in my opinion, is focusing on mood and character instead of spectacle. I'm not sure McG is necessarily the man to do this, but I remain hopeful until he proves me wrong. We'll see. -
It had drama along with the comedy, the stories were tight, and the action scenes were excellent. McG currently produces Supernatural which has a dark edge that might translate to T4. I'm not gonna totally write him off just yet...even though Charlie's Angels 2 sucked ass.
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I've said that here many times and I stand by it. As for McG... I loved the first Charlie's Angels. Full Throttle BLEW, and I didn't see We Are Marshall. I think McG has the potential to surprise us... but I'm still not exactly psyched for his T4. Wait -- except that Bale is involved. Okay, I'm a little psyched.
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No, not for sure. I posted this earlier, but if you read the first paragraph of the article, it says that Bale is "all but signed" and that they are in "heavy talks"....meaning that nothing is for certain yet, and he's probably negotiating for more money. (and a new director, hopefully)
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3... 2... 1...
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Thanks for the input, I'll check it out this weekend. As far as Charlies Angels defenders go, I'll admit, if you go into it with the lowest possible expectations possible, then there is some eye candy fun to be had. Doesn't make it a good movie by any means, just means that that tiny lizard part of our brains can be entertained by shiny objects from time to time.
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Terminator: Falling sideways shooting with both arms
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in Reign of Fire. Maybe he has no idea who director Mcnuggets is and just really liked the story. If so, that's a positive.
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And I'm talking about old school slo-mo like when Bruce jumped off the building in DH1 or Tequila jumping in the air blasting two guns. Bullet-time (post-matrix) on the other hand needs to be retired. Also wire-fu, muted gunshots, digital blood, and shakeycam need to take a hike.
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So quick to judge, you guys. Regardless of the director, any Terminator film after Judgement Day is going to feel mediocre. I don't know if the franchise can ever work the same way without Cameron.
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That movie shocked the shit out of me. When the gun kata starts I was like "WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT! HOLY FUCK! THAT WAS FUCKING AWESOME." Bale plays one of the baddest motherfuckers ever in film history. he gets touched once during a sparring session, the rest he destroys. Good film too, about misanthropy and human nature, but Bale destroying stuff is the movie for me. He also has the highest direct on screen bodycount with 118 victims to his guns of brutallity.
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Gun Kata is the shit, as is Equilibrium -- or as talkbacker Grammaton Cleric Binks calls the film: How To Kick Every Ass On The Planet.
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Skimn, your only mission in life this weekend is to see Equilibrium. Don't judge a book by it's Matrix wannabe cover. Less wire-fu, less CGI, more please just hand me your pitiful little sack right now because I own it, you, and everything you ever cared about. I only saw a piece of Ultraviolet, and decided it sucked, but that's just me. Others may have liked it. If you want to see a sample of the gun-kata go to You Tube, but ONLY if you want the awesomeness of it to be spoiled. Otherwise, go see this. Oh and M-o-M is dead on as far as his Bale comments in general
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Doc_Strange here. WTF is wrong with the logins? Anyway, as far as Equilibrium is concerned, that had to be Bale's best performance in my opinion. Someone mentioned above how he converys emotion without actually emoting, that, to me, is a measure of a good actor. The scene where he finds that secret room and just has to go and touch everything and picks up the paperweight, only to drop it when he hears Beethoven on the record player and breaks down is the best scene I have seen Bale do.
Sure it was made to piggyback on the success of the Matrix because of the look and feel of it but I thought that it succeeded so much more on different levels such as the fact that the fights were all done practically and based on a real theory, the acting was top-notch, and the story was coherent and realistic and you really identified with Bale's guilt and conscience after killing his best friend and seeing the woman he wrongly put in jail being burned to death as punishment for feeling. Yep, if you haven't seen this movie go rent or buy it now. Hell, even download it because after seeing it, you'll want to buy it. -
discussion on the first Bale is Connor post. Too much to re-hash, but if it's archived, anyone who has not seen Equilibrium should check out the discussion we had then. I don't think there was a single Equilibrium hater, but I could be wrong. I think it was more of gee, the cover of this DVD looks like a Matrix wannabee. This is true, but like I said, ignore the cover and prepare for action like you've never seen.
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I truly believe the people who don't like Equilibrium are the ones who have never seen it. Just ask Cobra--Kai next time he's around.
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Maybe in Terminator 4 we'll see John Connor go back in time and train Max, the dog he has with his foster parents, to bark at Terminators. Although he already knows that there isn't any point and he'll just get shanked. Unless he switches his tag to say "Wolfie" as well. Hmm... nah, that's stupid. I think I'm beaten on the dog point.
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Han just totally ruined the plot of Equilibrium. :p
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Dec 05, 2007 5:08:48 PM CST
"I think I might live to see a President with a stupid nickname"
by mgmax
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Dec 05, 2007 5:08:48 PM CST
"I think I might live to see a President with a stupid nickname"
by mgmax
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Dec 05, 2007 5:09:00 PM CST
"I think I might live to see a President with a stupid nickname"
by mgmax
Like what, JFK? Tricky Dick?
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I think that was one of McG's Avid farts.
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Well I can't say I respect a guy named McG. I don't think there's anything this guy could do to be credible at this point. I mean Charlie's Angels was just crap, so much I wouldn't even bother going near it. I then read he was going back to the drawing board to hone his technique after CA2 bombed at the box office and essentially made him a joke. Then We Are Marshall came out and no one saw it because it resembled all the feel good sports films that had come out the last 10 years. It could have been called Remember the Titans or Gridiron Gang, or even Coach Carter and no one would have known the difference. Now you tell me, is that the criteria any competent producer would use to determine whether a director is good enough to direct one of the biggest movie franchises? Hell, I would be looking all over for McTiernan at this point.
As for Bale being in it, maybe the script is good and just having Bale in your movie elevates it automatically. I think that if the movie sucks balls then at least he would have given it his all and put in a good performance. I think at this point the movie will either suck bad or be great but then again it's looking like it just might be mediocre but with a great lead. I must say T3 left a bd taste in my mouth and could have been great if they had put some actual substance into it and not made it a self-parody but yeah the ending had some balls but that was about it.
People keep saying that want Schwarzenegger in the film but really how would they go about making him look 10-15 years younger? He looks like an old bag now and has let himself go recently. Maybe some CG-youngifying? It would be nice but I don't see how they would do it without it falling into that self-parody thing again. I think at the very least if the producers want the fans to get behind the project 100%, they need to get a director with some credibility in the geek community cause this just reeks of that piece of shit Transformers all over again. -
he made a low budget action flik which happened to spawn this million dollar franchise we're talking about...
Terminator came to fruition through passion, something T4's producers and 'McG' know nothing about.
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A director called McG is so pretentious. How can anyone take him seriously? If someone came up to me and introduced themselves as McG, I would have an uncontrollable urge to slap them upside the head.
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really this whole movie already stinks. Mc wat?????? Another trilogy wit NO cameron? Bale is making a real bad move.
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that film kicks ass!!!!!!! The scene were bale sees the dogs get shot is bales best ever acting. His reaction to it....
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Let's just kill all three franchises. Paul W.S. Anderson, Len Weisman, and Uwe Boll can co-direct. Oh and 100% motion capture.
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I mean...imagine if MCG actually graduates to A-Class film-making with this movie and shocks us all?Would the world end? I think it might.
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Too McSoon?
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Taye "I have no emotions yet I smile and smirk" Diggs.Don't get me wrong; I quite like Mr Diggs (being a Day Break fan) but I'm surprised the director let him get away with his performance here. Bale's acting his guts out to appear like a man rediscovering his emotions and Diggs is there grinning like he's The Joker.
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You knew it was comming.....
Speaking of which, i am glad the producers chose the perfect candidate to revive the franchise. Someone who has obvious ties in the action sci-fi genre. Someone whose very name gives a sense of skill and creativity. Someone who embodies talent that no other director out there has.... who am i kidding???
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Terminator 6: Machinz in Da Hoodz directed by the Wayan brothers. Now my friends, THAT is a bonafide trilogy!
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Dec 05, 2007 8:03:27 PM CST
Thinking about it, Bale could make a mediocre Terminator film be
by han cholo
I could just imagine that stone cold look he did so well in Equilibrium translating over to Terminator, being a badass when he has to be and then seeing a more human side to him, maybe lamenting having to be a leader to a seemingly futile resistance. Now that I think about it, this could really be a good film if the script is tight and McG suddenly learns that wire-fu and T&A do not a good movie make. He really needs to study the Cameron's direction and the cinematography of T1 & T2, not to mention bringing back Brad Fiedel to do the score. T3's score sucked ass and didn't have that powerful, metallic oomph to it like T2, plus the theme wasn't used until the final credits and was done half-ass in my opinion.
If this thing's gonna be a trilogy I want to see how Connor becomes a leader, I want to see the slave camps where the machines put the remaining humans and how they escape and form the resistance. They need to show in detail how terminators are made up. Do they use existing human templates like bodybuilders? That would be a good place to put the Arnold cameo. They also need to show where the advances in technology came from. Then the filmmakers have to essentially make the film gritty, like those first few minutes of T2 and the flashbacks from T1. Only then will it be anything like the way Cameron intended, at least in my mind. -
but only slightly. Even from the very beginning. But you know what bugged me more than the grinning, it was that stupid traitor speech. I mean if you're going to give an unemotional speech learn from the man - Sarek.
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Funny how the Bale worshippers forget that he did a pretty shitty job choosing and performing in that craptastic Captain Corelli's Mandolin. But then again - even Olivier did Clash of the Titans *shrug*
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Can't believe that there are actually a few stupid 10-year olds on this site who state that T2 has aged or - even more silly - that T3 is better than T2. I mean, what the FUCK?!? Fracking kids, better get your heads outta your asses!Sheesh, just unbelievable...
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...Equilibrium sucked balls. It truly fits the defintion of what a 14 year old WOW playing virgin thinks would be cool. Its also insanely, retardedly derivative. Its Matrix: Straight To Video production values weren't all that bad though. Which is why the ass rape that was Ultraviolet hurt so much. It's true, Wimmer is a no talent hack, and even worse, a Paul Anderson wannabe.
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Life. You fail at it. Equilibrium is nothing like the matrix (save the clothing, sort of). There is no slow-mo, there are no machines, there is no "fake reality", it has nothing to do with computers or bending the rules of the world. It's more like 1984, and it's about people controlling people through emotional retardation. Also,the fighting is based off a logical system of moves that come from percentage and predictability. It's actually not like the Matrix at all.
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But the movie will probably suck. McGay is a talentless hack and a total fuck-up. I'm sure he'll find a way to ruin T4 for us.
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Dec 06, 2007 1:14:07 AM CST
So far I haven't seen McG do anything other than waste oxygen...
by sledge hammer
...and his amazing vision for this film is, in all liklihood, to make it pg-13 rated. Yeah, even with Bale on board, can't say I'm all that excited about this. Hopefully it'll surprise me, but we'll see.
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Dec 06, 2007 2:04:33 AM CST
"He's bringing his past experience and his amazing vision."
by bringingsexyback
Some people will say any fucking thing. From Cameron to McG. Like Clinton to Bush, the downward spiral continues.
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on spouting complete crap again. M-O-M frothing at the mouth over Bayformers. This is going to be a fun work day.And Equilibrium does indeed rock, Reign of fire- not so much. I want to like it- Dragons and all are cool- but I can't get over feeling robbed by the poster which showed London being levelled by Dragons and then the whole film being set in Northumberland or some such dreary place. Cock teasing of the highest order- and not to be forgiven.
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MCG+T4=DOA
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spring to mind.
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so much,then why did you decide to then get "ass-raped" by the same director. Are you a masochist? I mean seriously I don't get it. You see a movie by this director, you think it really sucks,then see another movie by the same director, similar genre, and expect something different. I just don't get that. And granted while you are entitled to your opinion at the moment you are the only person as far as I can see on any talkback who hated Equillibrium. Hey, it's your opinion, and that's okay, but you are definitely in the minority.
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inlcluded miss Captain Corelli's Mandolin because let's be honest, of all the movies we watch, what percentage are chick flicks. Guys if your girlfriend, wife, etc wants to watch a chick flick here is what to get - Return to Me. David Duchovny and Minnie Driver. Duchovny did a great job, and I wasn't even thinking Mulder everytime I saw him. The movie is predictable, but still funny and sad at the same time. The supporting cast is great - Bonnie Hunt, Jim Belushi, David Allen Grier, Robert Loggia, Carroll O'Connor in one of his last performances. Trust me, the old guys make this movie. Just a recommendation. If you need to make a compromise on date movie night, pick this one and you'll do allright.
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it's on my netflix list, and now I feel much better that it is. Gun Kata...I like the sounds of that.
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This franchise, or more importantly, the future of this franchise seems to be dependant on the correct name being attached. Not a script, appropriate budget or nice concept art. No, none of that, but a fucking name. No Arnie boo, boo. Bale, oh yes this will rock, this will own, this will [insert lame phrase]. McG, dude get a real name (as posted by MclovinCameronAss01, cause that's a cool name), this movie now sucks. I bet if the next piece of casting, or the name of the DP gets announced and it's a name you "like" this movie will rock again!! Consider this; Bale does consider the weight of a script over a pay check, so he must see something. McG's movies have gotten better, that's Charlie's Angels Vs. We are marshall and then consider the fact they want to do a 3 film arc, that's got to be good.
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i really enjoyed the charlie's angels films. don't care what any windbag whines. they were funny and sexy and a sort of living cartoon. not easy to pull off. and they made bank. also not easy to pull off. i think the hate here is insane. the man has talent. and, the producers are right. bale wouldn't do this film if he didn't have complete faith in the project. so, yeeeeeah merrick, what films have you made?
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Will Bale's casting in T4 pull him away from the Batman franchise?:
"That would be news to him. No, it's great...he's not afraid to take risks and take on all kinds of different projects."
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Dec 06, 2007 8:33:53 AM CST
just pillow talk, it's a good thing there are no
by grammaton cleric binks
late fees with Netflix. You'll be hanging onto this one for a long time. For a definition of gun-kata check out this clip of the movie. No spoilers, it just shows how the clerics are trained.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHJAuLmJgvA&feature=related
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instead of another guy is so she could "infiltrate" better. Think about it. If you're a 23 year old guy, wouldn't you WANT to get up close and personal with a hot blonde chick?
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I've moved it up to #1 since I've got the Protector on the way. I'll keep the same theme going...
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Imagine you are the advertiser in charge of this movie, regardless of how good or trash it ends up.
1. No Arnold, except maybe in a small cameo.
2. Probably no other returning T2 cast. No Robert Patrick, Edward Furlong, or Linda Hamilton.
3. Your star is Christian Bale, which has absolutely NOTHING to do with T2, and despite a loyal following on here (and who I respect), is not exactly super starpower out there.
4. The title credits will probably feature "Directed by McG." Please sir, use your real name.
Imagine the advertisers trying to produce posters and cut trailers for this thing! I'm sure the trailer will be very pretty and full of action/intensity, but how will you stop people from seeing it as a joke with the above givens?
I hope the producers know what they are doing.
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Say what you want, but who would have thought of Bale as the badass John Connor? He's born to play Connor!
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I thought it was okay. I admit to being blown away by the action, especially the double shotgun to the motorcycle cops. Actually made me drop my jaw the firs ttiem I saw it. But I dont know, it felt like towards the end it began to really start to fizzle and the ending was just kind of blah to me and I was kinda pissed of about the anti-battle of Bale vs. Diggs. And I felt like the final villain was wholey underwhelming. But thats just the action side. The drama and story was pretty compelling, but the action began to fizzle as it went on. Came out with a bang and went out with a bit of a whimper to me. Also, didnt the film have another title in the beginning but they changed it to simplify it or something like that?
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http://tinyurl.com/39saob
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was called Cubic. I think it may have even been released under that title in Europe. I probably never would have rented it if it was called Cubic. That just sounds lame. Oh, and Lecter 1914, thanks for a real honest critique, not this movie sucks I'm right you're wrong, blah blah, like so many comments we see.
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And McG sucks. Hard.
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"instead of another guy is so she could "infiltrate" better. Think about it. If you're a 23 year old guy, wouldn't you WANT to get up close and personal with a hot blonde chick?"
Yeah, but not one that just runs at you with her claw-hand glowing blue the second she sets eyes on you. She did no 'infiltrating' whatsoever in that movie. She might as well have been a Terminatruck for all the feminine subtlety she had. -
Lettering under the title that says "DIRECTED BY MCG"
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That will be Arnold's line.
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set between T1 and T2 I wonder what the deal is with the commercials, since it appears we are going to see Terminators in this series. I mean it doesn't say it in T2, but it appears that Sarah hasn't seen another Terminator since T1, and John has never seen one. The series could work, but I'm not holding my breath. I just hate it when sequels, side projects etc. screw with continuity, Highlander being the prime example. I loved the first movie, and could never convince myself to even like any of the other shows/movies.
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Yes, Cameron originally intended The Terminator to be an average looking guy, but the fact is they went with Arnold and thats the end of that...it became a pure MAN show like Predator. The whole Arnold on the bike versus Robert Patrick in the truck in T2 (added to Brad Fiedel's score) is just testosterone overload...its just a MAN movie, 80s style.
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@Grammaton Cleric Binks
If you hate what they did with Highlander, you're definitely gonna hate what they're doing with the terminator TV series.
Sarah connor Chroncles is set AFTER T2, completely ignores T3, and will have NO continuity whatsoever with any films in the franchise other than 1 and 2. It's actually similar to how they justified Highlander and Buffy/Angel: take film as starting point (Highlander 1 / T1 & T2 / BtVS), establish in the pilot any differences between TV series continuity and movie continuity (re Highlander, they reference Conner's fight with the Kurgan, but it's made out to be jsut another battle between immortals and not really the final fight of The Gathering), and the just go at it ignoring anything else established in other media. -
Is definitely set after T2, but before T3, but if that's the case then how does John not know for certain that they had not stopped Judgement Day, oh never mind.....
BTW isn't that Summer Glau as the new Terminator\Terminatrix in the series? The only other thing I remember her in was Firefly & Serenity. -
So is Bale in T4, T5 and T6, or just T4. Cuz being in 2 francises might not give him a whole lot of time to do other things, and I like those other things. I'm going to go drink a flaming dr. pepper now.
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I don't remember who mentioned the dog from T2 not recognizing Arnold, but the reason the dog didn't suspect anything is because the T-800 (arnold) has organic skin, while the previous models were wrapped in rubber, which made them easy for the dogs to spot.
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TONY F'IN SCOTT /// Christian Bale WILL OWN as the leader of the resistance /// ARNOLD and PATRICK as captured resistance fighters-turned-experiments /// KYLE REESE = EMILE HIRSCH /// CGI Ahnold T-800's /// Trilogy
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little hope I had for the series. I thought the John Connor character looked a little too old. I'm just like Annie Wilkes from Misery when it comes to continuity. If you painted yourself in a corner you better have a really good explanation. No cheating.
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Emile Hirsch or Karl Urban
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