Hey Harry, one of my NYC pals just got back from seeing the first six minutes of THE DARK KNIGHT. Chris Nolan was there. William Fichtner plays the bank teller and the first guy that comes face to face with The Joker and the way he gets offed is pretty intense and very Joker worthy. CLICK HERE! This sounds like Ledger's Joker is gonna be up to Nicholson's, minimum.
Dec. 4, 2007, 6:58 a.m. CST
Haven't read it yet. Just excired.
Dec. 4, 2007, 6:59 a.m. CST
Dec. 4, 2007, 7:03 a.m. CST
by just pillow talk
I am so excited for this....lucky bastard.
Dec. 4, 2007, 7:05 a.m. CST
Dec. 4, 2007, 7:07 a.m. CST
Sounds pretty good
Dec. 4, 2007, 7:08 a.m. CST
Twat's an even better word!!
Dec. 4, 2007, 7:12 a.m. CST
Before someone asks what that is...it's the best Joker episode from the Fox version of Batman: The Animated Series. It was first "new" Joker episode that was recorded and produced after that abysmal first few episodes that were created before Hamill found his "voice." Even he admits those first sessions were awful, and the animation in all of those shows was awful Akom Productions crap.
Dec. 4, 2007, 7:30 a.m. CST
by Abominable Snowcone
When I go to the site, my screen cuts off the left side of the paragraphs. What am I doing wrong? Goddamnit all to hell. But from what I could make out, the bank robbery sounds D'AWESOME!!
Dec. 4, 2007, 7:30 a.m. CST
Sounds like the Dark Knight will actually be...well...dark. The theatrical world of Batman longs to show the high contrast between good and evil and the shades of grey that drive it's namesake and torment Bruce Wayne. The Joker is Batman's ultimate nemesis because he gets his kicks killing and fucking with people as an inside joke that only he finds funny. I look forward to seeing these two titans squaring off and getting inside each others heads.
Dec. 4, 2007, 7:31 a.m. CST
Any mirrors, or can anyone repeat what it said in the Talkback here?
Dec. 4, 2007, 7:37 a.m. CST
"He turns and says 'That which does not kill you makes you stronger'..."??? This sounds literally like a 16 year old's writing in the "serious" phase. By the way, name two great and quotable lines from "Batman Begins". You know, something at least 1/3 as good as "Bob... Gun", "He stole my balloons!", or "Wait till they get a load of me"... Come on, which of the crickets has anything?
Dec. 4, 2007, 7:37 a.m. CST
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Dec. 4, 2007, 7:45 a.m. CST
by Abin Sur
A good read, although I was hoping for Joker to give the guy a face full of acid from his lapel flower (in a cool way, not in the lame Nicholson way).
Dec. 4, 2007, 7:46 a.m. CST
Dec. 4, 2007, 7:47 a.m. CST
by Mr Cairo
He actually says "makes you STRANGER" not stronger
Dec. 4, 2007, 7:48 a.m. CST
Dec. 4, 2007, 7:50 a.m. CST
Love the 'stranger' line. Please let this film be good.
Dec. 4, 2007, 8:02 a.m. CST
God help me, my inner 16-year-old still loves Batman '89. Two soundtracks! Kim Basinger instead of Katie Holmes! Billy Dee Williams as Harvey Kent! William Hootkins (R.I.P.) as Harvey! And, might I say, a much better Alfred than Michael Caine. Alfred's no Cockney!
Dec. 4, 2007, 8:04 a.m. CST
People are so fickle. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of people who actually admitted they HATED Nicholson's Joker prior to six months ago (because I did, and REALLY "have made no secret" of it over the years). Now, finally that we appear to have a proper Joker coming, we'll be hearing a lot more of "Never liked Nicholson's Joker" from people. BTW before that helpful talkbacker posted the MTV link, I TRIED getting to the article via Batman on Film, but it's wortse than useless. If you can even manage to READ the microscopic type, the links don't often work, or are mixed up. Jett should pay less attention to his gay-ass football and more on the subject matter of his website.
Dec. 4, 2007, 8:05 a.m. CST
Dec. 4, 2007, 8:10 a.m. CST
Harvey DENT, and Hootkins played Lt. Eckhardt... was he also named Harvey?
Dec. 4, 2007, 8:13 a.m. CST
BTW not only do I not like Nicholson's Joker, I don't like ANY mass-media Joker, including Ted Knight's, Mark Hamill's etc. THE JOKER IS NOT "FUNNY." The WHOLE POINT of the Joker is that everything he does is HORRIFFIC and it's funny TO HIM. Problem is, he's such a popular character that he gets Dr. Smith-ized, toned down, made "acceptable." He was a vicious killer in Batman #1 but by the mid-40s he was a "funny" villain. Revived as a killer in the early 70s (Batman 251 & Brave & Bold 111) he was a "funny" villain within two years (Batman 260 and B&B 118) although he was still a killer. I'm thrilled to see we will FINALLY get "Scary Joker" as barely hinted at in the 90s animated series and seen for exactly one moment in Batman '89 ("Wait'll they Get A Load of Me." What we got was a load of crap.
Dec. 4, 2007, 8:16 a.m. CST
Hootkins played Eckhart who was clearly inspited by Harvey Bullock.
Dec. 4, 2007, 8:18 a.m. CST
Sorry, *inspired* by Harvey Bullock. Sorry, got a little excired there.
Dec. 4, 2007, 8:29 a.m. CST
by Kid Z
...Doesn't work anymore. Sheesh, just post this crap, Harry. What's wrong with you... you used to be cool...
Dec. 4, 2007, 8:33 a.m. CST
by Kid Z
...either. Besides, MTV is so gay. Bet the link was to a video of Alicia Keys reading the text... you know, since she seems to be on MTV every, like, 5 minutes lately. "Mind the Gap" You Brits...
Dec. 4, 2007, 8:35 a.m. CST
this is journalism, correct?
Dec. 4, 2007, 8:39 a.m. CST
i'll do their job for them, free of charge, and no spaces.<P> http://movieblog.ugo.com/index.php/movieblog/more/first_six_minutes_of_the_dark_knight_debuted_on_imax_in_nyc/
Dec. 4, 2007, 8:40 a.m. CST
apparently AICN automatically throws in a space? WEAK.
Dec. 4, 2007, 8:50 a.m. CST
I hope the fights will not be shot so bad as in Batman Begins.Also an R-rating would be great(just dreaming).
Dec. 4, 2007, 8:52 a.m. CST
"This sounds literally like a 16 year old's writing in the "serious" phase." <p> The twist on the phrase makes sense and is IMO quite good writing, especially in this context. Not to mention that it's a Frederich Nietszche quote, quite a way to start a movie about a super-hero.
Dec. 4, 2007, 8:53 a.m. CST
NEW YORK — If the opening frames of "The Dark Knight" are any indication, Batman will have his hands full come June. The Joker is on the loose, and MTV News has seen just how devilishly maniacal and dangerous he can be. On Sunday night, a small crowd in New York gathered to watch the first six minutes of director Christopher Nolan's eagerly awaited sequel to "Batman Begins" and, holy extended trailer, the footage did not disappoint. Introduced by the beaming director and displayed on an 80-foot-tall IMAX screen, the opening of the film welcomed Heath Ledger's Joker to the Nolan/Batman universe. And it was clear from the start, much as you might have loved Jack Nicholson's villain, the purple-clad bad man won't have the time or inclination to dance to Prince this time around. Nolan spoke at length with MTV News immediately prior to and following the special event, clearly proud of his new villain. "I think what Heath is doing is very adventurous," he said. "What he's doing is very radical. It's very much what I wanted. I knew I needed someone really fearless." The opening sequence — specially filmed in the IMAX format, and set to debut December 14 with prints of "I Am Legend" in theaters — fulfilled a dream for Nolan, who said he had been wanting to shoot in the format for 15 years. "In the finished film, there will be four or five IMAX sequences," Nolan explained. He continued excitedly before the screening: "Everything about doing this in the IMAX format is trying to get that feeling back when I was a little kid when I'd sit in a movie theater and see images that were larger than life. That's what I'm trying to get back to with this material. I felt like introducing the Joker in this way because he's such a huge character [and it] would be a very fun thing to do." But Nolan also revealed that not all the IMAX scenes will be action-filled. "Some of them are actually quiet scenes which pictorially we thought would be interesting. It's not all the slam-bam scenes," he said. As the lights dimmed, the first images were revealed, of a gleaming and bright Gotham City. The camera moves in close on a building when suddenly the calm is shattered, quite literally, by a broken window. A group of clown-mask-clad robbers are about to seize a bank. They bicker about the mysterious man who has employed them. "Why do they call him the Joker?" one asks another. It's a refrain almost identical to those rooftop thugs who wonder about the mysterious "bat" in the opening frames of Tim Burton's "Batman." Soon we are inside the bank as a tense standoff is under way. None of the employees resist, save one played by character-actor extraordinaire William Fichtner. This is a mob bank, we learn, and the wrong place to mess with, even for a group of seasoned criminals. The controlled heist degenerates into a mess quickly enough, with each of the robbers mysteriously getting taken out. But it's not Batman knocking them off — rather, it's one of the robbers themselves. Just as the final two robbers are set to leave, one pulls a gun on the other. "I bet the Joker told you to kill me as soon as we loaded the cash," he says, clearly with the upper hand. The eerily calm but playful response comes. "No, no, no. He killed the bus driver." Before the gun-toting clown can finish asking, "What bus driver?," he is taken out by a school bus crashing into the bank. "School's out. Time to go!" screams the sole survivor of the gang. All that remains for him is the bank employee (Fichtner) lying at his feet. By now we're pretty sure these are going to be his last words: "The criminals in this town used to believe in things. Honor. Respect. What do you believe in?" He screams it again, louder, "What do you believe in?" And the mask comes off. The grinning, scarred face of the Joker is revealed at last. His face filled the 8-story-high screen as the clip played. "I believe whatever doesn't kill you simply makes you ...," he said. He pauses on the last word: " ... stranger." As the Joker made his getaway, the sequence ended, but before the lights returned, the audience was treated to quick tantalizing flashes of the rest of the film. The Joker firing what looks to be an automatic weapon in a city street. Police Commissioner Gordon raising an ax dramatically. Batman whizzing by in his batpod. And finally, Gordon lowering the ax, destroying what we see now was the bat signal. Troubled times clearly await in Gotham. And it's clear who's to blame. Nolan explained to MTV News that the Joker we meet in "The Dark Knight" is fully formed. Don't look for an origin story here. "To me, the Joker is an absolute," he said. "There are no shades of gray to him — maybe shades of purple. He's unbelievably dark. He bursts in just as he did in the comics." Though there was no sign of much of the supporting cast in this extended preview, Nolan stressed there's much more to the story. Asked about Aaron Eckhart's Harvey "Two-Face" Dent, the director said "his story is in some ways the backbone of the film. [Bruce Wayne and Harvey] have an interesting relationship. They're friends and rivals." And what about the caped crusader we left at the end of "Batman Begins"? Nolan explained that "he's a little more sure of himself" in the new film. "We didn't want him sitting around wrestling with the same angst. It's all-new angst," he laughed. Nolan, who wrapped filming just two weeks ago, said he's shooting for a running time comparable to the first film's 140 minutes. Congratulated on the ambitious slam-bang start to his sequel, MTV News asked if the next six minutes could help but live up to the first. The director smiled and sighed nearly in unison. "That's what I'm working on now."
Dec. 4, 2007, 8:56 a.m. CST
thought the paragraphs would stay in when I posted it.
Dec. 4, 2007, 8:57 a.m. CST
by Old Horse
Hopefully this one will work for a while. As usual, mind the spaces. http://horrorthon.blogspot.com/2007/12/first-6-minutes-of-dark-knight-seen.html
Dec. 4, 2007, 8:57 a.m. CST
I agree with Kid Z...why the hell do you post links here anyway..I thought we all come here to avoid the linkage and just get the story or the pic. Ain't it cool? Not lately
Dec. 4, 2007, 9:30 a.m. CST
by Olee Starstone
So shut your mouths!
Dec. 4, 2007, 9:36 a.m. CST
by just pillow talk
Dec. 4, 2007, 9:41 a.m. CST
but i hadn't read any of the new modern stuff. I was 12. all i had read was old 70's batman, and nicholson didn't even capture that. But like i said, i was a kid, i didn't know any better. i just thought: batman movie=cool. <P>looking back the only good thing about batman 89 was it probably made this news series possible just by making warner realize they could make money on anything batman.
Dec. 4, 2007, 9:50 a.m. CST
You know who I mean. "This doesn't sound like my joker..." "My joker wouldn't do that...." and "Everyone else loves Batman Begins. I don't. And here's a long post explaining why..."<p>This movie will pwn you all!<p>And I hate the term 'pwn'.
Dec. 4, 2007, 10:03 a.m. CST
by James Westfall
Right. Fuck this horseshit. I don't even wanna see this trainwreck, let alone see six minutes of it on a giant IMAX screen so I can see Ledger's ugly-ass Joker make-up thirty feet high.
Dec. 4, 2007, 10:06 a.m. CST
http://www.latinoreview.com/news/the-dark-knight-six-minute-prologue-in-imax-3434 I can't read the UGO description on my screen and the Mtv one is okay, but these guys give a blow by blow account. I wanted to know if there were additional scenes and we get a brief montage. At least that's something cause I hear the Joker robbery aint all that. It's called The Dark Knight, where the hell is he?
Dec. 4, 2007, 10:07 a.m. CST
Just kidding. Don't be such a pre-whiner IAmMrMonkey!
Dec. 4, 2007, 10:13 a.m. CST
by uss cygnus
Vincent Hanna tracks the Joker..."Their M.O. is...They're good." Orgasmic.
Dec. 4, 2007, 10:17 a.m. CST
Apparently there was a six minute preview of The Dark Knight in IMAX here on my home court NYC and of course we weren't invited as usual but reader Rico The Honduran went and sent us his report. Thanks Rico. Here is what he had to say: Hey guys, I work for a major media outlet and can't officially comment on this film so I'm giving you guys the scoop because I noticed that websites run by minorities are never given their due respect. Christopher Nolan and the powers that be at Warner Bros. have put together a six-minute prologue from next summer's "The Dark Knight" in IMAX. Apparently a few portions of this film have been shot in the revolutionary format and will be a part of its run in IMAX theaters. IMAX is a 70mm frame turned on its side, allowing greater exposed image area and resolution. Starting with "The Matrix Reloaded" in 2003, if you saw a regular 35mm film blown up in IMAX it wasn't cropped but letterboxed like it might appear on your TV screen to recreate the film's original aspect ratio. "Batman Begins" was the first Batman film ever shot in the "scope" 2.40: 1 aspect ratio and when "The Dark Knight" opens, much of the film in IMAX will be letterboxed to recreate that same ratio. After a few cocktails to put the small audience in the comic-book-movie mode, the presentation started about 20 minutes late. I thought the prologue was being presented by some IMAX rep, but if it weren't for his British accent I wouldn't have realized that our host standing under bright lights was none other than director Christopher Nolan. Nolan's probably the reason the presentation started late, but I didn't care because he's warm yet frank about his ideas for his films. He stated the IMAX format was developed in 1970, the same year he was born, and that he's wanted to work with it for about fifteen years. Just as he was reluctant to show 20 minutes of footage from the film at Wizard World recently, Nolan seemed to have the same attitude here. Can you blame him though? He's trying to finish working on a complicated production and the big execs want him to showcase an unfinished product. According to Nolan "The Dark Knight" will be projected in the 2.40:1 aspect ratio on IMAX screens and about four or five sequences specifically shot in IMAX will be full screen in the 1.43:1 aspect ratio. Your field of vision will be filled vertically as well as horizontally. I got the sense that Nolan wants to "wow" audiences just as Cinemascope and Cinerama did back in the fifties. The presentation began with the Warner Bros. and Legendary Pictures logos, not in black and white like the first film, but appearing out of bursting flames with a blue hue. The picture dramatically cuts to full screen as the camera swoops down on an afternoon shot of a glass office tower in Gotham City (really Chicago). Two men wearing clown-faced masks shatter a window, fire a cable and rappel from the tower to the roof of a smaller building across the street. This is a robbery ladies and gentlemen and these two are tasked with disabling the alarm system of the bank below. On the street, three other robbers masked as clowns drive up to the front of the bank. They are each aware that they've been hired by the mysterious "Joker" and have specific tasks to perform. For one of them, it’s to shoot his accomplice dead once he's disabled that alarm on the roof. As the group enters the bank with shotguns blazing, we get the notion they don't really know just who this "Joker" is. To keep the hands of the employees and patrons of the bank busy, the hostages are each given a live grenade to hold on to. What they don't really notice is that the bank manager is William Fitchner and he's at his desk behind a glass partition eyeing them carefully. In the bank vault, two of the robbers discuss that this "Joker" must really be crazy because the bank is full of mob money. When one asks the other what happened to the guy who was to take out the electronic security system box on the roof, he tells him the Joker said to kill him when the job was done. "Good," he says, "Because he told me the same thing about you," and puts a bullet in the back of his head. (Off camera of course, this is gonna be a PG-13 movie after all). While the other masked robbers are on the main floor with the hostages, our bank manager Mr. Fitchner reveals himself along with a shotgun and starts walking towards them blasting away. With another one of their guys now dead, two robbers hide behind a partition. "He's out of ammo right?", one asks the other before Fitchner reveals he has one more round left. With the click of his empty barrel, one of the robbers shoots Fitchner in the gut and asks his colleague, "can't you count?" With money in hand and only two of them left, one crook points a gun at the back of the head of the other and says "I know, the Joker asked you to kill me, just as he asked me to kill you." "Actually," the other replies," I'm supposed to kill the driver." "What driver?" the guy asks, just in time to be run down by the rear end of the yellow school bus that smashes through the front of the bank. As the last of the bunch, our final robber shoots that driver dead when he pops out the back of the bus and proceeds to gather up the bags of money. Slowly bleeding to death, Fitchner snarls about how criminals once had class and a sense of honor. Sympathizing with the man's plight, the last robber exclaims that he feels "Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stranger", before pulling off his mask and revealing himself to be the Joker. Actually its Heath Ledger with white face paint and red lipstick smeared across his lips that are seriously scarred at their corners. Nolan did state before the presentation began that the film featured "Heath Ledger's interpretation of the Joker." So Jack Nicholson can stop whinning. Mr. Personality places a grenade into the dying Fitchner's mouth with a string tied to it that's also hooked up to the back door of the bus. As the string pulls the pin from the grenade with the departure of the bus, it’s revealed not to be a live grenade, but a smoker that emits harmless green gas. Our robber pulls out onto the street in front with his getaway vehicle and blends into a convoy of yellow school buses that just happen to be passing by. SCHOOL'S OUT!! The entire presentation is six minutes long and is to be shown preceding the theatrical IMAX release for the Will Smith vehicle "I Am Legend". Nolan stated he hopes the prologue will run before other IMAX films in the months before the film's release in July. Though it was nice to see footage from a new Batman film in IMAX, this little film was not really that exciting nor did it show the potential or scope of the format. This might be just a little teaser and hopefully when the movie comes out the other three or four IMAX sequences will be action packed. Let's not forget this is an expensive process after all. Hans Zimmer is once again slated to score the film, but this little teaser featured a rock and roll type theme that was almost out of "Mission: Impossible 2". As it drew to a close, we were presented with a brief montage of shots that were underscored by that piece of music where Bruce Wayne faces his fear of bats when he discovers the batcave in the first film: The Batmobile racing down dark city streets. A medium shot of the Joker walking down a street and firing a submachine gun. A shot of the Batmobile performing a U-turn in a large indoor chamber with florescent-squared lights on the ceiling. Another shot of the Batmobile, followed by a shot of the Dark Knight, cape billowing and racing toward the camera on the Batpod or Batcycle (which we don't see eject from the Batmobile). Twilight shot of Lieutenant Gordon surrounded by teams of cops and police cruisers on a rainy blue-tinted city street. Far shot of Batman high atop a building edge on a blue-tinted rainy day with one hand to his ear. (Probably listening to police band communications.) Final shot-- Same shot of Gordon with the police force again, this time with a fireman’s axe in his hand, which he brings down to smash...the Bat-signal!! "Show it again!” someone shouted when it was over. "Unfortunately it takes half an hour to rewind the film," Nolan informed us. It looks like this second chapter will be a dark and dramatic time for our hero indeed. It wasn't till this preview was over that I realized the title "The Dark Knight" doesn't just refer to out hero, but the dark night and times ahead. The rapid-fire shots of that very brief montage not only got me hyped up to see the movie, but made me want to go home and listen to the soundtrack score for the first film. Seven months?!! Why can't July get here fast enough? Thank you Chis Nolan and may Bryan Singer burn in hell for destroying the Superman legend.
Dec. 4, 2007, 10:17 a.m. CST
Fat, over-acting, goofy gay uncle. His master plan was to fist-fight Batman in a bell tower. Although, to be fair, the script, direction and actual 'Batman' sucked too.
Dec. 4, 2007, 10:18 a.m. CST
well, they both agree that someone shouted 'play it again'- one guy claims he said it, one guy claims he heard it.....<P>but one guy says pink smoke comes from the grenade, the other guy says green.<P>um, those are quite different colors. so who's right?
Dec. 4, 2007, 10:23 a.m. CST
i do love the fact that his goons aren't even a cohesive team. just like the viral campaign, they've all been hired and given different parts to play- all duped into thinking they'd come out on top. none of them know that the joker is even among them- have any allegience to him, or each other. Sounds like a psychotic criminal mastermind to me!
Dec. 4, 2007, 10:30 a.m. CST
http://whysoserious.com/steprightup<P> less than 30 mins till new 'event' happens...and clock is dead accurate. just watched it and computer clock flip over at same time.
Dec. 4, 2007, 10:35 a.m. CST
What’s wrong you people? Every link on this page worked for me and the people that couldn’t get them to work will make this shitfest popular. Lazy script writing for a lazy audience. The film Idiocracy really is starting to play out “ah hur hur hur hur look at them funny clowns” “this Batman is all cool balls N stuff” The film is panning out to be one giant retarded layer cake and you guys can eat it. By layer cake I don’t mean the film Layer Cake which was quite good by the way.
Dec. 4, 2007, 10:41 a.m. CST
They had some kind of database error for their movieblog section.
Dec. 4, 2007, 10:47 a.m. CST
what the hell are you talking about? no one is lulled into entertainment by the prospect of the clowns? you readin' something i ain't?<P> or maybe you'd rather joker's goons wore berets and leather bomber jackets with joker patches that they must have made custom ,like the night jack fell in the vat....maybe you'd like it if they liked to dance in museums and could do flying dropkicks.
Dec. 4, 2007, 10:48 a.m. CST
Dec. 4, 2007, 10:49 a.m. CST
by just pillow talk
it does sound like "cool balls n stuff". Can't wait!
Dec. 4, 2007, 10:50 a.m. CST
SO surprised, it was actually THE JOKER?! *meh*
Dec. 4, 2007, 10:57 a.m. CST
by a goonie
I know it's received a lot of flak from the geek world and will continue to do so until the end of time, but I love the '89 film. I was really young at the time it was released and it knocked my socks off in a truly spectacular way. I have since watched it many, many times and still love it. I understand the problems people have with Nicholson's take on the Joker and with the whole Joker-killing-Bruce's-parents bit, but for me, it works as an original interpretation of the characters and the world of Gotham. I love the opening of the movie dearly and I think Michael Keaton brought the perfect mixture of bottled-up angst, explosive charisma, and confident bad-ass-ness (okay, I totally made that word up) to the roles of Bruce Wayne and Batman. And while Nicholson's Joker has some funny moments, I still find the guy scary as shit. He does crack silly jokes throughout the movie, but I think he sells himself as a sadistic, murderous fuck first and foremost. Plus, he does have some great lines, as mentioned by a talkbacker way above (I'd like to add "where does he get those toys?!" to the list). I personally love the pace and look of the movie and am always intrigued by the time-warp-style design (the Axis chemicals building looks especially like something lifted out of the 40s). Plus, I think the movie has a great ending, with the Joker's parade, the introduction of the Batwing, and the whole affair inside the towering cathedral. The movie is certainly not a dead-on representation of its source material, but I find it to be an altogether exciting and engaging comic book movie. But that's just me. I just wanted to throw my two cents in on that one. As for The Dark Knight, I can't fucking wait. Batman Begins was great and I've loved the casting of Heath Ledger since the first moment I read the announcement. I think this opening sounds pretty damn cool and I hope this movie kicks my ass all over the place next summer.
Dec. 4, 2007, 11:03 a.m. CST
"i have noticed minority owned websites do not get their due respect" Are you fucking kidding me? LOL! Yeah- i actively dodge websites owned by people with any shade of brown in their skin. "In gotham City- actually Chicago" Thanks Dumbass. Maybe the reason "minority owned websites" don't get their due respect is because quality posters like you feel compelled to point out to people that the new batman film was not shot in the real Gotham City.
Dec. 4, 2007, 11:04 a.m. CST
zom-bot.com you left out those awesome Ford Fairmont cars the henchmen drove. Ahh, I can remember it like it was yesterday. Sitting in the back of the auditorium and Wondercon in Oakland when Warner Bros premiered first scenes of Batman 89 to a thrilled audience when it was over and when there was silences, one person yelled out it “That looked gay-assed!” The crowed went nuts the Warner Bros guys asked “what?” and security started to look for the guy. all for having an opinion. Yea that was me sonny I knew what bad film making back then and I know what bad film making is now. Remember this is all just my opinion. That it happens to be right isn’t my problem.
Dec. 4, 2007, 11:05 a.m. CST
I agree with you 110%, my friend. The joker from '89 was just Nicholson in a joker costume, if you get my drift. This sounds BADASS. Please give my hearfelt thanks to Nolan and crew for doing such a bangup job with my childhood hero. On a separate topic- did you hear Nicholson said he was "furious" about Nolan and Ledger redoing the joker? No class at all. What a bag of ass.
Dec. 4, 2007, 11:08 a.m. CST
They weren't talking about readers, they meant from the studios. It is a stupid name for their site, but they get tons of scoops and were the ones to scoop everybody on who was playing the Joker. Being that they are based in NYC, they just thought it strange they weren't invited when UGO was.
Dec. 4, 2007, 11:09 a.m. CST
eh, yup, the closest 'prize' location is in fayetville ga...wonder if the locations are banks?
Dec. 4, 2007, 11:09 a.m. CST
The review itself was written by anybody on staff at the site, they had to get it from a reader.
Dec. 4, 2007, 11:10 a.m. CST
I mean, who wants to see Batman discharge his man-bra and throw it like a boomerang? (heh,heh)
UGO does not focus on getting scoops that are actively protected from the studios. That's probably why they weren't invited- the studios probably don't like them or aicn. Or maybe its because they are mexican.
Dec. 4, 2007, 11:11 a.m. CST
'You're not the devil...you're practice.' 'I couldn't imagine the legal ramifications of bringing you back from the dead, sir.' 'Don't come to me with your anger, you don't know desperate, kid.' 'I see you took my advice on theatricality a bit...literally.' Just because you don't like something doesn't mean there's not quality there. Thanks for your opinion, but Batman '89...sort of cool because it was different from what people were expecting, but mostly it was very very homo-tronic.<p>Prince Score+Fashion Models instead of Actresses+giant balloons = super-gay.<p>Batman's one shining point was an intense and wonderfully portrayed Bruce Wayne by Michael Keaton...who isn't doing enough work these days! This sounds INTENSE and AWESOME!
Dec. 4, 2007, 11:12 a.m. CST
WASN'T written by anybody working on the site. When are they going to put some of that AMAZON money into updating these talk backs.
Dec. 4, 2007, 11:17 a.m. CST
i'm totally down for heath ledger as the joker. in fact, from all indications he's great. but, nicholson was amazing as the joker. and, all of nolan's films owe a huge debt to burton and keaton and nicholson. they defined the current millieu of comic adaptations. they are the inspiration on which these films are drawn. dark, brooding, epic and colorful. if you remember at the time burton's film was made we were getting crap like dolph lundgren in the punisher. so, thank yer lucky stars moriarty that nicholson created such a towering psycho. and, that burton opened the doors for all that you currently love...
Dec. 4, 2007, 11:19 a.m. CST
by El Scorcho
Nicholson was terrible, as was the movie.
Dec. 4, 2007, 11:47 a.m. CST
Maybe with a good villain i'll find the sequel more interesting.
Dec. 4, 2007, 11:50 a.m. CST
by Captain Happy
Nicholson's joker is one of the great quintessential comic book- movie performances of all-time! I guess there's no accounting for good taste on this site...how could you not like that performance?
Dec. 4, 2007, 11:55 a.m. CST
i think this sounds amazing... this sounds like the most twisted joker... and i think this is the first time i really wished a movie was R rated... the scene with the joker on the street with a machine gun firing.. all i can think of is a morpheous style joker gunning down some cops with no emotion at all just so bad a!
Dec. 4, 2007, 11:58 a.m. CST
...can't wait. I can picture a scene through Nolan's viewfinder w/the very same Joker we saw in the pics the other day...and it's gonna be awesome.
Dec. 4, 2007, 12:09 p.m. CST
Batman'89 is pretty much up there with the original Superman flick when it come to comics flicks. It really IS the pattern that most-if-not-all following adaptations tried to sheepishly follow (for the mediocre ones) or put in the "obsolete" box (for the best ones). <p> We're almost 20 years later now, and the movie still looks mostly good (the art direction - and sets in particular - were superb, you can't argue with that), the performances hold up very well and it doesn't feel too 80's. Schumacher's Batmans, on the contrary, were dated the minute they were released on home video. Nicholson gives ONE interpretation, the way Heath Ledger will give ONE interpretation of the Joker. Or Bob Downey will give ONE interpretation of Tony Stark. There's no such thing as "absolute" interpretation.
Dec. 4, 2007, 12:11 p.m. CST
danny devito in penguin makeup and costume waaahhhhhh
Dec. 4, 2007, 12:19 p.m. CST
i'm ready for fucks sake!
Dec. 4, 2007, 12:24 p.m. CST
by Dapper Swindler
I guess all you want the Joker to do is kill people and laugh maniacally about it. Boring. Nicholson's Joker had a memorable style and was actually funny while still being murderous. Remember the "homicidal artist" speech? What class!
Dec. 4, 2007, 12:31 p.m. CST
maggie gylenhaal, she sucks just as much as the other one. ledger will be cool, its just the still pictures that sucks.
Dec. 4, 2007, 12:34 p.m. CST
by Reel American Hero
I'm really looking forward to seeing this movie. Those pictures they released yesterday of the Joker actually looked creepy, which is a good thing. This is how a semi realistic Joker would look, he would be batshit (no pun intended) crazy and scary, not cool and entertaining. I just hope I can convince my wife to spend $13 a ticket at our local IMAX theater to see I Am Legend so I can see this footage.
Dec. 4, 2007, 12:37 p.m. CST
by The Chosen
I'm mindblowed just by reading it. Too bad it won't have the origin, i was curious about how NOlan would do it. Maybe he'll toss away every villains origin, maybe with the exception of Two Face. He did it for Scarecrow and Rha's, but then again none of them had the legendary begining that the joker had (specially after Killing Joke)
Dec. 4, 2007, 12:38 p.m. CST
Seriously, the character's been around forever, and he's bound to have gone through different incarnations. I don't see any of them as "definitive." Once you make something "definitive," you kill it. I love Jack Nicholson as the Joker. He was scary and funny and it was a Tim Burton movie, so of course it was really all about him, but he completely embodied the spirit of the character. He laughed, he gleefully killed a whole bunch of people, molested high culture, and was generally a vicious, giggling psychopath. I love the Mark Hamill Joker, too- I will always hear his voice in my head when I read the character, and even though, it being A CHILDREN'S SHOW, he rarely successfully killed anyone, the intent was there. Mask of the Phantasm had him spot on, likewise Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker. He kills people in a way that he finds funny. He laughs at the horrors he inflicts. What's wrong with that? And I'm fully prepared to love the Heath Ledger Joker. I was a little let down when I heard he was cast, because so many of the rumors sounded so amazing, but you can't judge the liver until the goose is dead, so I'll wait and see. He's a great character, and I look forward to seeing him realized again.
Dec. 4, 2007, 12:52 p.m. CST
by Dollar Bird
That movie: not very good. What scene do I instantly think of when I consider that movie? The one of the Joker spraypainting the "Blue Boy"in Gotham's art museum while Prince is playing on a boombox. There's cool stuff in that movie, like the batwing and I don't even mind some of Nicholson's Hamasaurus rex acting (though a lot of it is just weak). And Micheal Keaton and all the "guest stars" were nice. And how I wish that Billy Dee got to play Two-Face. But Vicki Vale—lame. The Joker's schemes—lame. ("Love that Joker!") Bruce Wayne sleeping upsidedown—lame. The Joker's really long pistol—lame. And isn;t there a parade where everyone is cheering the Joker on? If so—lame. And don't even get me started on "At least I don't have blood gushing from my nose" or any of the other sequals. Gimme the first several seasons of the Dini/Timm cartoon anyday.
Dec. 4, 2007, 12:56 p.m. CST
I realize this is a talk-back forum and I know the nature of Moriarty, but I have to roll my eyes at all the biased bashing and fanboy-isms above. I mean, how hypocritical can you be? You insult and criticize people who voice their displeasure at Heath's Joker because they have the gall to *gasp!* have an original opinion that differs from the masses?? I mean, kripes! There's no right and wrong. If you like Nicholson's Joker the best, then you like Nicholson's Joker the best. You're not necessarily a heathen, a basement-dwelling geek, or a pariah of society. Me? I'm bold enough to say Nicholson's--while flawed--was better than Heath's. I appreciate the dialogue and violence inherent in Heath's, but...he just does not look the part! I mean, it'd be like if Batman is as intense as ever, but he has a banana yellow cape. It'd ruin the mood entirely. And how can Heath's Joker be true to the original if he applies makeup and has a normal face? Even Nicholson's fell in a vat of acid. I just find it hilarious that that's two actors portraying the Joker who used "The Killing Joke" as source material, and both actors (and directors) stray so damn far from it. Oh, and finally, Nicholson wasn't Burton's idea; he was Bob Kane's.
Dec. 4, 2007, 1:02 p.m. CST
How can you even judge the 2 actors without seeing the new movie? ...mmhmm, well anyway, Tim Burton DID specifically want Jack for the role... sorry
Dec. 4, 2007, 1:04 p.m. CST
This sounds amazing. I knew Nolan would deliver again. In the annals of comic book movies, has there ever been a better match between director and material?
Dec. 4, 2007, 1:05 p.m. CST
Well, Burton should have gone the effort of portraying it, but having mass-produced beauty products tainted so they poison women with grins and kills them sounds pretty vicious to me. And given Batman's response to that situation, at least a few hundred women should have died like that news anchor. Not to mention his flaunting the deed on a hijacked-airwaves commercial. It's a little like saying more people died in "Return of the Jedi" because the Death Star was still in construction, but it's a worthy homage to the character, in my opinion. That scene, anyway.
Dec. 4, 2007, 1:07 p.m. CST
by I Dunno
Look at Gotham City. Burton's vision was German expressionist meets a retro-futuristic dystopia. Blade Runner meets Metropolis (the Fritz Lang movie, not the city where Superman lives). Nolan's vision....Chicago. <p>The casting of Batman- okay sure, a slightly younger, more buff and better trained dude playing Bruce Wayne makes more sense. But Michael Keaton? WTF? But it worked. He really came off as the borderline psychopath that is Batman and no one has played the Bruce Wayne side of the character better. </p><p>And The Joker sucked but I can't believe that Nicholson would have been Burton's first choice. That had to have been forced on him. </p><p> Having said all that, the new franchise is awesome. You can't out-weird Burton so the logical move would be to try to make it more realistic and they've done a great job so far. But comparing Nolan and Burton is really apples and oranges.</p>
Dec. 4, 2007, 1:07 p.m. CST
This film will be the greatest superhero film made. (to date) That is all.
Dec. 4, 2007, 1:08 p.m. CST
I'm judging his overall look. But, I suppose you're right. Not one image of Heath Ledger in Joker make-up was released on the internet. I mean, they kept a pretty tight lid on that! I'm not doubting Heath's ability to act; I've already praised him and Nolan for taking such a dark approach with the dialogue and story. But, well, imagine Robert Deniro doing it. Great actor, but just not right for the part. And that's not to say he wouldn't act it well. He just simply wouldn't have the look or other necessary requirements.
Dec. 4, 2007, 1:10 p.m. CST
And how can anyone say this movie is going to be great without seeing it first? Didn't many geeks make this mistake with "The Phantom Menace"?
Dec. 4, 2007, 1:13 p.m. CST
I guess those that don't like that seminal first Batman flick prefer the other superhero films and TV shows that preceded it. Think about the campy atrocity that was the 60s Batman series. The Wonder Woman series was also a campfest (although Lynda Carter was good). The Incredible Hulk - not bad, but nothing in common with the comics past the basic premise. The lameo Spider-Man series. The mediocre Supergirl movie. The inept Superman IV. The limp Superboy series. Apart from the awesome first two Superman movies (and I confess to a sneaky liking of Superman III), superheroes had been very poorly realised on screen prior to the 1989 Batman. This was a serious take on the character from a great director, and literally nothing had been seen like it before. It was a massive box office success, critically well-received, a genuine pop culture phenomenon, and hugely influential. Batman Begins, though superior to Schumacher's efforts, didn't come close. I am looking forward to TDK though as I think it will be a better film.
Dec. 4, 2007, 1:15 p.m. CST
by Bone-In Foray
I enjoyed the revised tone of 'Begins' - a little darker (and dare I say Burtonesque) than its predecessors. But unfortunately, I felt that it eventually succumbed to the tired Hollywood formula for action flicks. As far as viewing an action flick of this caliber at an IMAX theater, I'm pumped - but I don't expect the film to floor me from an artistic standpoint the way that Burton's film did. Even the short film/preview sounds a bit contrived...
Dec. 4, 2007, 1:43 p.m. CST
by Abominable Snowcone
I'm guessing from the lack of comments, I wasn't the only one who couldn't access it. So I cannot say whether it was AWESOME or coated in chocolate pussy juice.
Dec. 4, 2007, 1:43 p.m. CST
Stealing from a bank like Batman Forever... though joker blowing away his own henchmen is pure joker. good part there.
Dec. 4, 2007, 1:49 p.m. CST
i mean ...really..did they ever mention that the penguin ended up growing up in a sideshow or circus? if so i don't remember.
Dec. 4, 2007, 1:52 p.m. CST
It says: "Time for what you've been waiting for" and that it's the main even. So, methinks it'll be the trailer.
Dec. 4, 2007, 1:58 p.m. CST
whysoserious.com/steprightup has a few stuffed animals with directions for the 'first come first served' to go pick up something at the address, held under the name 'robin banks'..<P> so let's hope the addresses aren't banks, or if they are they are in on the joke.<P>my guess is it's comic stores. the closest to me is 4 hours away...but they've already taken some down and put up more.
Dec. 4, 2007, 2:02 p.m. CST
It's so retarded. When Batman 1989 came out everyone was LOVING it, not just little kids...those Nicholson Joker posters were in bedrooms everywhere...he was the f'n MAN. Batman 89 is a great movie and still one of my (and many other) favorite batflicks, no doubt.<BR><BR> But now, just because a new series is out (Batman Begins), nerds feel the urge to start bashing the old one they once loved. And once it's sequel with new Joker comes out, they feel the urge to start bashing old Nicholson Joker. WTF?? Is there a name for this phenomenon???? To love something, then start bashing the crap out of it 5-10 years later? Thats insane. Just because a new Joker comes out is not a cue to start thrashing the old one. That shows more insecurity than it does promote the strength of the new product.<BR><BR> People here always do this. They are even bashing Terminator 2 now (WTF??)...again, is there a name for this retarded phenomenon......"I LOVE THIS!!"....[5-10 yrs later] "I LOVE THIS NEW ONE. THAT OLD ONE SUCKED!!"
Dec. 4, 2007, 2:02 p.m. CST
i investigated and found out tha one in germantown penns. is an ice cream shop and bakery.<P> feel free to google any others.
Dec. 4, 2007, 2:07 p.m. CST
and this is apparently what's going on: <P> 1:51 PM: Several reports that the bakeries gave the winner a cake with a cell phone within! Also included were Joker cards and a letter from The Joker. Stay tuned!
Dec. 4, 2007, 2:09 p.m. CST
You get a cake with a phone number on it and inside the cake is a bag with a cell phone with instructions. I think the number on the cake is the cell phone's number and you have to call another number that is in the instructions using the cell phone. After you call, you are told to wait for further instructions and one of the stuffed animals comes off the board. Every hour they add a few more. 11 have been found, 8 are on the board and when the next hour rolls around, 4 more will be added for a total of 22.
Dec. 4, 2007, 2:17 p.m. CST
But I DID love Nicholson's Joker... so many great lines... "Where does he get those wonderful toys?" "Do I look like I'm joking?"
Dec. 4, 2007, 2:17 p.m. CST
I love Nolan, I love Bale, and I love Ledger. And I love Maggie, too, while I'm at it, and I have a big one for Michael Fucking Caine, and let's not forget how much I love Morgan Freeman. I shouldn't have read that description, because now I can't stop thinking about it. Oh by the way, I would probably go gay for Gary fucking Oldman, too, while I'm at it. Great work you guys, I can't wait to see the movie!
Dec. 4, 2007, 2:22 p.m. CST
Dec. 4, 2007, 2:37 p.m. CST
by Lloyd Bonafide the Korean War Veteran
it sets him up as both highly intelligent and highly ruthless.
Dec. 4, 2007, 2:41 p.m. CST
Nicholson's Joker was terrific. I'm betting that Heath Ledger's will also be great. There's room in the world for more than one portrayal of this character. He's been interpreted several different ways in the comics. Frank Miller's was psychotically evil. Moore's was tragic...
Dec. 4, 2007, 2:42 p.m. CST
by Cooch Inspector
was just playing himself just show how limited or non existent their knowledge of the Batman mythos truly is. Don't call yourself Batman fans please you make the rest of us look bad. I think Heath is going to be brilliant BTW but I will just post this and return to superherohype where my fellow Batman fans actually know what the fuck they're talking about. Nicholson embodied 50 years of Joker history in that performance. The sadistic nature of the 1940's Joker that Heath's version is based on the most, the playfulness and over the top behavior of the 1950's and 1960's Joker. The theatricality of Steve Englehart and Denny O'Neil's Joker from the 1970's. The dapper style and narcissism of the early 1980's Joker all rolled into one. It was a great performance for that time you couldn't honestly come up with a better Joker. Especially considering Killing Joke which once again reinvented him came just a couple of months before production on Burton's movie.
Dec. 4, 2007, 2:44 p.m. CST
I agree Nicholson's Joker isn't so great. I love Jack in his other films, but his Joker is over-rated. Ledger's Joker could very well end up being fucking awesome, and an accurate interpretation too. Some folks are complaining about how Ledger looks as the Joker, and I can understand their hesitance or disdain. But let's wait until we see him in action before we make a final verdict.
Dec. 4, 2007, 2:49 p.m. CST
But I honestly have no interest in ever watching it again. I could watch Batman Begins again though.
Dec. 4, 2007, 2:54 p.m. CST
I'm still trying to figure out what "awsome dipped in chocolate coated pussy juice" is. sounds like maybe something Willy Wonka dreamed up after staring at Mrs. Beauregarde's ass for 10 minutes. Don't even want to know what the inspiration for a "snozberry" was. Wow, this has nothing to do with TDK. Sorry - go Joker!
Dec. 4, 2007, 3 p.m. CST
Those guys are really crazy! WB has done some pretty elaborate stuff to set this film up. I hope this is all covered in a little Doc on the dvd. Any new updates?
Dec. 4, 2007, 3:01 p.m. CST
The character has been portrayed many ways in the history of the comics. I personally enjoyed the hell out of Nicholson's Joker. That said, I personally find the Killing Joke to be the most 'definitive' to me. Have not seen the new one yet on film, but not even the makeup vs. skin color thing ruins it until I see how it is played.
Dec. 4, 2007, 3:01 p.m. CST
by Cooch Inspector
I really don't understand it. I think it's Marvel Zombies not realizing that DC characters never stay constant and always evolve. There is no definitive Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern etc. cause those characters constantly go through evolutions and retcons that's why I always loved DC. It wasn't about cartoon characters with a consistent M.O. like Marvel (not that there is anything wrong with that) it's about the characters fitting whatever the storyline calls for. Storytelling above everything else. That's why I'm a DC guy the characters constantly grow and evolve with us instead of staying the same and becoming redundant because of that. So to see people bitching about Batman killing or The Joker being hammy cracks me up simply because it has happened in the comics more than once. It's not unfaithful just one of the many interpretations. I have to agree with Tim Burton his movies must have had some type of effect to have people so up in arms about them 15 years after his last one. It's like why do people act like they're a threat or something? it's not like Nolan's movies will go anywhere.
Dec. 4, 2007, 3:04 p.m. CST
I really don't like Heath Ledger. I think he's an overhyped pretty boy who can't act for shit but I am willing to give him a chance cuz the Batman Begins was a good movie. The only reason it wasn't great cuz the action scenes were shot horribly. The camera angles were too close and it was almost like they shot it wrong and had to quick edit it to get all the kinks out. It almost totally ruined the entire film for me and for many of my friends and yes I am a batman afficionado. So if they get that right in this one it should be good. But people here saying it's gonna be GREAT and such really need to calm down and take a close look at the flaws of the first film.
Dec. 4, 2007, 3:27 p.m. CST
only a few animals left now, and the hammer is almost to the bell. Hopefully we get the trailer when this is done?
Dec. 4, 2007, 3:36 p.m. CST
C'mon Oregon and Minnesota! I wanna see this thing before work is done.
Dec. 4, 2007, 3:44 p.m. CST
FUCK YOU DOUCHE!!!
Dec. 4, 2007, 3:44 p.m. CST
Yeah! You! The one in the stupid Canada jacket. TOOL!!
Dec. 4, 2007, 3:50 p.m. CST
However, it's in Minnesota and those fools are probably asleep at the wheel. Hopefully it's not blizzard conditions over there right now.
Dec. 4, 2007, 3:54 p.m. CST
-like minnesota- that delayed the last nationwide puzzle...wasn't it?<P> but to be honest i'm surprised they did a georgia site at all.we're mostly retarded down here.
Dec. 4, 2007, 4:02 p.m. CST
Just to see this.
Dec. 4, 2007, 4:03 p.m. CST
it was. Oh well, this ought to be done soon. Hope it's the friggin' trailer after all this run around.
Dec. 4, 2007, 4:04 p.m. CST
I'm pretty neutral about this film, the first was ok but massively overrated. Although I have to say “whatever doesn’t kill us makes us stranger.” is one of the worst lines I've heard in a while. Hope the delivery makes up for it somewhat.
Dec. 4, 2007, 4:06 p.m. CST
looking at the viral site, you can see a big red curtain in the background. Once the last cake is found, the weight will hit the bell, and the curtain will pull back to reveal the trailer.........................................or another Joker pic.
Dec. 4, 2007, 4:10 p.m. CST
that makes sense too, since it's been shown already, and will be out next week. The name on all the cakes was "Robin Banks".
Dec. 4, 2007, 4:10 p.m. CST
just the law of boy who cried wolf should let them know it's time for something more.<P>i figure that the winners of the cakes and phones today will also get invited to the premeire, where they will probably be asked to participate in some face-painted buffoonery. cheaper than hiring out real performers.
Dec. 4, 2007, 4:12 p.m. CST
Are freaking liars. Last night was the first time anybody got to see the prologue.
Dec. 4, 2007, 4:13 p.m. CST
i think whatever doesn't kill us makes us stranger and slaughter is the best medicine are two dark and witty puns well done because they only require the change of one letter.<P> and if you think it's 'terrible writing' or not funny...well...isn't that how the joker THINKS? dry ass dark humor that is funny only to him?
Dec. 4, 2007, 4:18 p.m. CST
...does the bakery still get to close at 6? if not, pissed bakery workers and a nation of bat fans are going to kick the ass of whatever douche does eventually show up.<P> seriously, just let someone at the bakery play.
Dec. 4, 2007, 4:23 p.m. CST
So if they close at 5 then we're all done for today. If it's at 6, then there's another hour and a half.
Dec. 4, 2007, 4:27 p.m. CST
called Salon One. So it's not a bakery. I'm thinking of calling them and demanding my cake.
Dec. 4, 2007, 4:31 p.m. CST
i mean aside from the Killing Joke. Jack Napier spends the winter with family, and slowly goes insane...
Dec. 4, 2007, 4:32 p.m. CST
the fucking trailer. Or a refund. Hurry up Minnesota!
Dec. 4, 2007, 4:36 p.m. CST
You have to admit that.
Dec. 4, 2007, 4:37 p.m. CST
just another evidence bag. nothing to see here, move along.
Dec. 4, 2007, 4:39 p.m. CST
Dec. 4, 2007, 4:40 p.m. CST
There's more, free tickets! Gotta click the Jokers!
Dec. 4, 2007, 4:40 p.m. CST
Click on the two cards at the bottom. A list of screening locations, presumably for a sneack the opening scene, and the movie poster.
Dec. 4, 2007, 4:43 p.m. CST
Dec. 4, 2007, 4:46 p.m. CST
by The Dum Guy
Is the heist where Gordon gets the Joker card?
Dec. 4, 2007, 4:50 p.m. CST
because you'll be able to attend a free screening, while I'll have to sneak into a theater showing this shitty Will Smith flick. Lucky bastards.
Dec. 4, 2007, 4:54 p.m. CST
he hasn't seen how Heath played Joker yet says that Jack did a better job of playing him. All he is, is a pseudo Batman fan who thinks he is smarter than the rest of the talk backers.
Dec. 4, 2007, 4:57 p.m. CST
by Mosquito March
This guy is one of the very best actors around - he should be playing a major villain from Batman's Rogue's Gallery, not some fucking bank manager that gets killed by the Joker after two lines. I'm seriously looking forward to this film, and the footage sounds cool, but this role sounds like a complete waste of this guy's time and talent.
Dec. 4, 2007, 4:59 p.m. CST
It was free tickets to the IMAX deal for 5 major cities, and a new poster: http://whysoserious.com/steprightup/pairofjokers.htm
Dec. 4, 2007, 5:02 p.m. CST
most girls prolly do think he looks creepy, but i think he's damned handsome. why is he not a star? chris cooper moved into stardom, fichtner deserves it too. but, then, i also find cooper eerily attractive too, so maybe i'm just weird.
Dec. 4, 2007, 5:09 p.m. CST
someone had to say it.
Dec. 4, 2007, 5:10 p.m. CST
i think we have that blest, it's called Superman: The Movie.
Dec. 4, 2007, 5:15 p.m. CST
Is without a single doubt the best superhero film, probably of all time, and it's not even perfect. It can't be that hard to top, but it hasn't... Burton's batman is great but not very focused. Spider-man was overhyped shit. Nolan's Batman was edited like crap. What else... Superman Returns obviously knew it was Superman the movie's bitch... Wow It really can't be beat.
Dec. 4, 2007, 5:18 p.m. CST
I agree with you that Superman 78 is CURRENTLY the greatest superhero film every made. Yes. But I believe that TDK will surpass it. Here's hoping, anyway. Cheers.
Dec. 4, 2007, 5:22 p.m. CST
seriously, there are so many negative people on this site. I mean every time any bit of exciting news gets brought up people are ready to shit all over it instantly-for what? The footage sounds brilliant, and that poster has already cleared my Batman Begins one of my wall in preparation, yet within the hour we'll get a barrage of "oooh, its just a fucking smear on a fucking wall-thats not what MY joker would do wah wah waaah". Well, damn right its not YOUR Joker-its Chris Nolan's, in case thats not obvious. You want YOUR joker on the screen go and become a director for Christs sake.And there is no CLASSIC interpretation of the character-every Batman character has be reinvented so much, its impossible to keep track! If you want the same old stuff go rewatch the old tv shows/movies or reread the comics-some off us want something NEW. Yet these are the same people who complain about the level of remakes in Hollywood? Meanwhile Nolan has yet to make a bad film and his one major mis step in Begins was underusing the ScareCrow-which he obviously isnt going to do with Mr.J....but go on and complain then....sorry to rant like.
Dec. 4, 2007, 5:33 p.m. CST
we'll see Scarecrow in this film as well.
Dec. 4, 2007, 5:46 p.m. CST
He was an excellent portrayal of the Joker - numerous quotable and well read lines, but still had a sense of menace about him. I liked his little nutjob present for Vicki Vale - the mannequin hand with the dead flowers - that was just a cool little insight into his mind. And to the guy who called the giant-barreled gun lame - how dare you sir? Great gag, great image and fitted the character perfectly...who else would be insane enough to think to bring a gun that size, just in case he needed it?
Dec. 4, 2007, 5:54 p.m. CST
I judge purely on what I've seen SO FAR. And let's face it; we've seen a lot of images so far, and heard quite a few details regarding the plot and how Heath becomes the Joker (make-up as war-paint? Are you kidding me??). They might as well re-cast Batman with John C. Reilly and Joker with Sir Ian McKellan. Neither one's a bad actor, but they're just not right for either part. Try and read my post before you bash it.
Dec. 4, 2007, 5:55 p.m. CST
Nobody has seen this movie yet, so how can they all say it's going to be great? You fanboys really need to get over yourselves.
Dec. 4, 2007, 5:55 p.m. CST
that would be one heck of a fine film! Bless Reeve, Superman flew away much too soon.
Dec. 4, 2007, 6:12 p.m. CST
by Tyrion's Tyrannical Todger
Don't kill the Joker, or any of the villains off. If Nolan has got any sense, he'd have got his Joker origin scenes in the bag now. I know that this is supposed to be a trilogy, with Dent becoming Two-Face for the finale, but this can stretch to two more films. I nominate a near-literal retelling of "A Killing Joke" for the fourth movie, and a much later "Dark Knight Returns" as the fifth.
Dec. 4, 2007, 6:28 p.m. CST
That Nolan's Joker has been done right.
Dec. 4, 2007, 6:48 p.m. CST
Even the animated series used it. Sorely and will always be noticeabily missing from the new movies.
Dec. 4, 2007, 6:48 p.m. CST
I think it goes against the character of the Joker to make him look like a septigenarian drag queen after a bender. I always thought that Mark Hamill was the best Joker even when he was playing the Trickster on The Flash TV series. He was silly and ridiculous looking but that was juxtuposed by the horiffically twisted things he did. Hanging a man to make him an example of what happens when the rest of the hostages don't sing as he fills his shopping bag with vanishing cream and itching powder? THAT is scarily detatched from reality AND quite theatrical at the same time. THAT is what I think of when I think of the Joker. Why not just have rotting flesh falling off of the Joker's bared skull and musculature if you think that is more "real" "scary" and "dark"? The Joker should be a monster on the INSIDE!
Dec. 4, 2007, 7:52 p.m. CST
by Dapper Swindler
...Who murder people and laugh maniacally. It's old. Why can't the Joker be more? Why can't he be "cool and entertaining"? Nicholson's Joker was damn funny. He was entertaining, you know, like a CLOWN is supposed to be. How exquisitely grotesque is it to have a character that would kill you but also make you laugh? Please don't turn the Joker into a boring killer.
Dec. 4, 2007, 7:53 p.m. CST
...for the simple fact that he managed to enter pop culture in a way that Ledger (or The Dark Knight) will not. Sure, comic fans will love the update, and everyone under 18 will swear it's the best thing ever...but it will just be the latest comicbook movie to everyone else. For whatever reason, Batman 89 became a bigger event than the actual film.
Dec. 4, 2007, 7:55 p.m. CST
by D. Tyranus
Whether you're telling the Coens they need to retire, or complaining to this day about Nicholson's Joker made in an era in which movie studios did not take comics seriously, you reveal your total lack of fundamental understanding in regards to the film industry. For its time, Batman was a good movie. There was no internet, and nerds like yourself had no presence in the mainstream domain. Of course Nicholson's not gonna go your comic book route with it. Ever seen Superman? Did you hate Hackman's Luthor for not being bald? Maybe if you actually made films instead of just sitting on your couch and talking about them from the safety of your little computer, you'd speak on such subjects with less ignorance. You sir, need to get a life.
Dec. 4, 2007, 8:05 p.m. CST
Money, money, money, who do ya looooove? Classic stuff.
Dec. 4, 2007, 8:20 p.m. CST
by I Dunno
Horribly campy and Otis...ugh. They ruined the movie, really. What sucks is that Hackman and Nicholson are both great actors and could have done so much better.
Dec. 4, 2007, 9:43 p.m. CST
All these "I hate Nicholson as the Joker" nerds coming out of the woodworks were the same geeks creamin' their P.J.s watching him eat up the fuckin' screen as the Joker back in the day. Nicholson and the Batmobile were the ONLY reasons that movie worked at all. And Nicholson made BANK on that movie.....60+ million smackaroos. Eat it you losers!! End of rant.
Dec. 4, 2007, 10:36 p.m. CST
by Bob of the Shire
Nicholson was not frightening in the slightest. He was so over-the-top that his reprehensible actions were forgiven because of just how wacky and silly he was. He's entertaining at first glance but far from interesting. Ledger's Joker sounds so much better it's not even funny (hur hur).
Dec. 4, 2007, 10:40 p.m. CST
During when batman returns is looking through his microfiche scroll of old articals he comes across it.
Dec. 5, 2007, 12:19 a.m. CST
by Doctor Phibes
What doesn't kill us only makes us stranger?! You've gotta be kidding me! (no pun intended) This sounds ridiculous. I hope the rest of the movie isn't as lame as this. Jack Nicholson's performance as the Joker was a fucking work of art, unbeatable.
Dec. 5, 2007, 1:42 a.m. CST
I read most of this happening in the script review a few months back. sound slike the film is much more dynamic.
Dec. 5, 2007, 2:21 a.m. CST
We are focusing so much on Ledgher we are forgetting Bale and his Batman. I think Bale has done a good job with his interpretation of the character and he certainly makes interesting choices, i.e. his voice when in the Batsuit. I read somewhere that Bale is becoming this generations Harrison Ford. He is inhabiting two very iconic action/adventure character, Batman and now John Connor. This is like Ford with Indiana Jones and Han Solo. Anyone agree?
Dec. 5, 2007, 3:02 a.m. CST
I actually think it's The Incredibles. If you are specifically talking greatest comic book to movie adaptations, I'd have to go with Sin City or Hellboy.
Dec. 5, 2007, 3:15 a.m. CST
Without Katie Homlmes, this movie will be perfectamondo.
Dec. 5, 2007, 4:22 a.m. CST
by Harold The Great
but this tb makes me want to watch Batman 89 again. Nicholson plays Nicholson mostly, but I think - even though he is a great actor - the guy was a broken childhood toy away from killing people with acid coming from his flower all his life. Jack is crazy. So it all works.
Dec. 5, 2007, 4:23 a.m. CST
by Harold The Great
Saw some interviews with him. He has a grin that says he wants to eat my family. So I have high hopes for him.
Dec. 5, 2007, 5:12 a.m. CST
Although Begins was still a fucking fantastic film. There, I said it.
Dec. 5, 2007, 5:38 a.m. CST
These are Batman movies, not cheesy Arnold or Sly movies. They shouldn't be remembered for "Funny" or "Cool" one-liners. The should be remembered for characterisation, tone, action set pieces etc. If you want a film with quotable lines Mike Myres has a new movie coming out soon. I must also chime in on the batman '89 debate. The film is dated and a sad indiciation of how comic book properties where handled pre-Blade in Hollywood. The fact that Nicholson took top billing over Keaton, who was playing the title character, showed that it was nothing more than a phoned-in, over-the-top performance from ol' Jack. Best forgetten and should certainly never be compared to Batman Begins or Ledger. I canny wait!!!!!
Dec. 5, 2007, 8:02 a.m. CST
by Harold The Great
just didn't work for some of us. Not to say I didn't enjoy it, sure I did. But "guy in bat suit" will only work in a more fantastic setting for me - like Batman Returns. Look at the Killing Joke. Favorite Batman story (even if Alan Moore hates it now) and the characters clearly acknowledge the comic book world they're living in - the countless times Batman and Jokes should've killed each other, but didn't. It's a world where Joker has no trouble going around "buying" property and contract a bunch of circus freaks to do his bidding. In a world like that, Batman works, I can see the police and the underworld taking seriously someone with pointy ears. That's where I'm a bit uncomfortable with Begins. Can't wait for the TDK though.
Dec. 5, 2007, 11:41 a.m. CST
So I am in the camp of Joker haters. Everything I've seen of Ledger (other than the suit) I've disliked. I think he looks like a washed up high school theatre teacher with that sad makeup and hair. I was talking to a friend of mine and he thinks that Nolan is messing with us. That Heath Ledger will NOT be the Joker. He'll be the "Joker" in the first scene that was described above, but it will be William Fincher who actually BECOMES the Joker we know and love as a result of the bank robbery described in the article. It sounds absolutely crazy, but the marketing on this game has been so twisty-turny, that it kind of makes sense. Fincher is a pretty high-profile actor and he looks much more like the Joker than Ledger. Could it be that Ledger's Joker gets replaced with Fincher's? That would be completely awesome...
Dec. 5, 2007, 12:45 p.m. CST
Robert Wuhl. Loved him as Newbomb Turk, but that's one overacting S.O.B.
Dec. 5, 2007, 1:53 p.m. CST
I complained about that (in regards to comic movies) to my friend the "movie buff" and he replied that movies like X-Men, Spiderman, and Batman Begins actually do have their own distinct themes, but they are simply "not very good", extremely passive, such that you forget them the second its done playing.
Dec. 5, 2007, 2:06 p.m. CST
Well I never said 89 Batman was 100% loved, certainly there are those who will not like the direction it took...but its not like people were walking out of the theater hating it...the environment was similar to that of the first Spiderman movie (which I actually dont like as much as some others do), where it was a big event comic movie and most people were pleased. I guess you have to see it within the context of its time...like someone said, comic hero movies and tv shows like Wonder Woman were nothing like what we got with Batman...I still remember when I watched it in theaters, people were going nuts...when Joker pulled out that long ass gun they erupted. What an experience.<BR><BR> No Batman movie since then matched that experience for me.
Dec. 5, 2007, 2:15 p.m. CST
by Abominable Snowcone
The whole Smilex scheme came across as more comical than diabolical. When you saw Joker's TV ad for Smilex with him dancing in a grocery store aisle, you laughed instead of thinking, "What a mean sonofabitch." The movie should have been more violent (shown blood) and Joker should have personally murdered more people. Not just kill them as in, "bang your dead," but MURDER them. And the line about dancing with the devil in the pale moon light was overused and lacked the dramatic effect I'm sure Burton intended. Plus, Kim Bassinger was not nude. That's a huge problem. It's like not driving a fancy car that was made for speed, but rather just washing it in a driveway. Oh, and there should have been a couple more hand-to-hand combat fight scenes, with moves that aren't so stiff. Overall, I liked the movie. At the time, I loved it. I thought Michael Douglas did a great job as Bruce / Bats.
Dec. 5, 2007, 3:23 p.m. CST
Forget about the sharkfinned Shumacher ones...they had open VENTS with neons lights glowing! It looks like it'd break down in the rain!<BR><BR> The Burtonmobile conquers them all. Okay, it can't corner well...but thats what it is, a muscle car...a drag machine. Remember, before the Burtonmachine the common image of the Batmobile on screens (at least for me) was the Adam West thing...which was also a long, full-sized coupe with a ton of horsepower. They were (fictional) muscle cars...<BR><BR> The Batman Begins machine looks like it'd tip over like an SUV, despite that large wheels. Actually, it reminds me of those remote control cars that tip over everwhere and spin around.<BR><BR> But what do you expect Batman to be driving, a Subaru WRX Sti?? A little cornering rally car?That kind of goes against historical on-screen Batmobiles.<BR><BR> Imagery is important, especially for the Burton films. Above all else, it must LOOK stylish. The Burtonmachine was muscle car looking beast with those spinning turbine things and fire coming out the back...I'll take that over the realistic handling of some Subaru.
Dec. 5, 2007, 11:59 p.m. CST
like the one in detective comics 27.
Dec. 7, 2007, 3:20 p.m. CST
Just because its wider than tall, it cant tip over? Have you ever played with a radio control toy car? It resembles the Tumbler...make it do a hard turn and see what happens.....