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TIN MAN SciFi Miniseries: Is It Missing Brains Or Heart??
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A sci-fi version of “The Wonderful Wizard of Oz” -- from the producers of SciFi’s “Flash Gordon” and the veteran TV writing team of Craig W. Van Sickle and Steve Long Mitchell (“The Pretender,” “She Spies”) – “Tin Man” is a six-hour miniseries about a hot Kansas waitress who finds herself transported to an alternate dimension called “The O.Z.” It stars Zooey Deschanel as “DG,” Kathleen Robertson (who looks a lot like a brunette Kristen Bell) as the witchy “Azkadelia,” Richard Dreyfuss as the wizardly “Mystic Man,” Raoul Trujillo as the furry and cowardly “Raw,” Alan Cumming as the brains-challenged “Glitch,” and Neal McDonough as the hard-hearted title character.
The reviews are not the greatest. Why SciFi continues to greenlight stuff like “Tin Man” and “Flash Gordon” instead of Ron Moore’s “Galactica” prequel “Caprica” or a sequel to the superb “Lost Room” quite vexes the imagination. (For the record, if anybody decides to stick the arresting Deschanel in “Caprica” or “The Other Lost Room,” you’ll hear no complaints from these quarters.)
Entertainment Weekly gives “Tin Man” a “C-plus” and says:
… Robertson's heaving bodice is her most expressive aspect; this miniseries needed a villain with a wicked sense of humor, but she and the rest of Tin Man are dour and punitive. There's violence and torture courtesy of Azkadellia's Nazi-like ''Longcoat'' brigade. And there's the overworked theme of abandonment …
TV Guide says:
… more of a lavishly quirky curiosity than a keeper. …
USA Today gives it two and a half stars (out of four) and says:
… Ambitious and intriguing though it may be, Tin Man is simply too long, too grim and too determined to impose a Lord of the Rings universe-saving quest on top of a simpler, gentler story. No offense to Kansas, but any Oz film that makes you long for Dorothy to get back to that farm is a film in serious need of lightening up.
The New York Times says:
… A big, sonorous dungeons-and-dragons affair that seems at every moment to call attention to its epicness, “Tin Man” would have benefited above all from more minimizing. It runs over three nights and is too long by a few hours. …
The Los Angeles Times says:
… To say that "Tin Man" is not as good as its near-perfect models is not to damn it, even faintly. Like Sci Fi's "Flash Gordon" update -- which the Halmis also produce and which it resembles far more than it does "The Wizard of Oz" -- it's a good-looking, entertaining fantasy adventure, with a cast that is easy to spend time with. I can see where Deschanel's sleepy delivery (quite like her sister Emily's, over on Fox's "Bones") might not work on everyone, but I find her excellent company, and Alan Cumming is sweet in the Ray Bolger mode as the Scarecrow-substitute, Glitch. …
The Washington Post says:
… If the filmmakers had themselves a heap of fun putting this mishmosh together, that doesn't come through in the finished work. The pacing is largely funereal, with characters such as that meanie-Queenie not having much to do but stand around posing. In the crucial role of DG, however, Zooey Deschanel (daughter of gifted director and cinematographer Caleb Deschanel) is saucy and captivating and has seductively expressive eyes. …
The Chicago Tribune says:
… "Tin Man's" heart is in the right place, even if the execution of the story evokes, from time to time, creakiness of the metal man's limbs. Among the more winning aspects about this fanciful mini-series are its propulsive plot and the way it rearranges key elements of Baum's tale. If it's not as complex or slickly executed as the most ambitious cable fare, "Tin Man," which arrives as the TV season heads into its rerun-filled doldrums, provides a colorful, imaginative, popcorn-friendly serial -- with all the flying monkeys you could ever want. …
The Chicago Sun-Times says:
… The dialogue is utilitarian, except when it's "Dungeons and Dragons" cliche, like: "We're travelers of the realms seeking a warm meal and a cold cup of grog. ... May your hearth be warm." Puke. The actors look rushed to stay on production schedule. The direction and camera shots are workaday. The pace of "Tin Man" reminds me of tortured, role-playing video games … at six hours, it feels four hours too long. So if you're interested, record it and watch it on fast-forward. You can hit pause for the evil flying monkey boobs.
The San Diego Union-Tribune says:
… the only magical thing about “Tin Man” is its amazing ability to make six hours pass like six days. … Neither the scripts nor the colorless directing do the actresses any favors, but without an empathetic heroine to love and a fire-breathing villainess to loathe, “Tin Man” is just a rattletrap special-effects vehicle on its way to nowhere. Feel free to let it wheeze on down the road without you.
The Seattle Post-Intelligencer says:
… As long as we get a good time out of it, darkness is a welcome guest and the first night of this miniseries keeps that end of the bargain, starting with our introduction to DG (Zooey Deschanel). … Night two, the tale loses its spirited humor and tumbles into the minutiae of DG's obscure past. "Tin Man" is an example of what happens when a story that should be told in two nights, and four hours, is stretched out to three and six. …
The San Jose Mercury News says:
… there is a distinct lack of emotional oomph emanating from this dark, disjointed and humorless miniseries, which too often seems preoccupied with special-effects magic and oh-aren't-we-clever twists on Baum's characters. As a result, you might want to take a pass on this particular Oz fest. …
The Knoxville News Sentinel says:
… can never truly stand on its own. In attempting to do something different with a classic, "Tin Man" has virtually lost its soul. The miniseries has no fun with its situation and no spark of playfulness. Instead, it's merely stark, moody and cold. And when that can be said of "Oz," then why bother?…
The Boston Globe says:
… a dour retelling of the L. Frank Baum story, and it just keeps sinking further and further into pointless thematic complexity and visual density. A test of viewer endurance, this effects-bound miniseries is a hollow tin man in need of a beating heart.
The Hollywood Reporter says:
… while the preening and the chewed scenery from the cast are at times glorious to behold, there is no substance to wrap our heads around, no one to really root for. It's just a peculiar, occasionally arresting and wholly funky attempt to bring a measure of contemporary fantasy/sci-fi hip to a tale we want to be neither hip nor self-aware. But trust me that the thing is every ounce a thinly veiled "Wizard of Oz" update. If it only had a brain, a heart and the nerve. …
Variety says:
… a bit of a mess. Sci Fi has done well with minis in December, but despite the intriguing concept three consecutive nights of this adventure falls several Yellow Bricks shy of a load. … does weave in an endless assortment of puns and knowing asides, including a few that appear directly aimed at Friends of Dorothy. Ultimately, though, that's small compensation for embarking on this extended journey. … if it only had a brain.
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Awwww... no flying monkeys. What a gyp.
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When I saw Flash Gordon mentioned, I said "Uh-oh". My expectations dropped like a lead balloon. And I was really looking forward to this.
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Ooops.
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The Sci-Fi channel are the same douchebags that canceled Invisible Man because "it cost too much" but still fed money to dreck like Lexx, Tremors, and 3 million episodes of Stargate. Oh and wonderful films like Larva, ManSquito, and many more.
I want my damn I-Man on DVD you fucktards. -
that will get em.
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How can the same channel which produced the most excellent LOST ROOM (a mini-series that should have gone on to produce a full blown series) and the equally wonderful BATTLESTAR GALACTICA also come up with such cheap looking poorly written rubbish as FLASH GORDON and (from the looks of it) this? Whoever is sitting in the big chair over there needs to concentrate on his programming a bit better. Where's the quality control? Who greenlights this stuff?
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I will admit that Flash was Canada Sci-Fi cheese (and I loved it... sue me). However... the Sci-Fi Channel greenlights stuff like TINMAN because of Galactica. Go back Herc and read the earliest Galactica reviews. Notice something familiar about it? Nevertheless; I am going to give it a chance because this is DECEMBER: the month when everything takes a breaking.
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Now you're talking.
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Plus I am a sucker for a new interpatation of an old story but with everything I've seen and read so far it still seems like someone got their Hot Topic in my Wizard of Oz.
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Dec 02, 2007 5:00:18 AM CST
Oh there are flying monkyes... with boobs...
by spifftacular squirrel girl
..... sigh.
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the trailer looked not terrible but those reviews aren't pleasant reading.
speaking of deserving shows, i realise it's not on SciFi but anyone know if the 4400 has been renewed? -
Jesus Haitch Christ, some Sci-Fi Channel marketing monkey is still masturbating himself stupid over that one.
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i stopped reading right there, i wont be watching either.
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Well, I have to say they have a bit of a challenge in programming. They do very well with CRAP. Make fun of those ridiculous original movies they have - but they achieve surprisingly good ratings for them. As does Eureka, which while enjoyable is completely dopey and unsophisticated.
Contrast that with Galactica which wins awards up the wazoo but struggles in ratings (although does very well in DVD sales). What to do, what to do, SciFi.
Unfortunately, SciFi fails to get the difference between "fun" shows like Eureka and movies like Mansquito - and absolute junk like Painkiller Jane and Flash Gordon.
Maybe I'm wacky, but does it take a degree in network programming to order another show from the people that made Eureka, acquire Journeyman from parent NBC and ask Ron Moore to exec produce something a little more fun and silly? -
yeah, Ron Moore could make a show about a whacky robot that solves crime.
or SciFi could pull their head out their asses and make decent shows and do a better job of promoting the brilliant one they already have. -
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Has anyone reviewed this with the sound off?
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Are you serious? At best, that was average. Kevin Pollak was terrible. Still, I was hoping that 'Tin Man" was going to be better. It did look interesting.
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You wilk appreciate it a lot more when you are sleeping during this newest SCI FI miniseries...
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I was really hoping this would be good. Then again, I may end up liking it still. Just because everyone else hates something, it doesn't mean I have to. Hell, I even liked "Ishtar"... kinda.
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It seemed like they were setting up a new series but what happened? General Sci-Fi Channel incompetence? If there's one channel that should appeal to me it's Sci-Fi, but I hardly watch the damn thing there's so much crap on there.
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Dec 02, 2007 10:21:49 AM CST
Lost Room is exactly what SciFi should be doing more of..
by commiepinko
they obviously don't want to spend too much money on shows which is why they short change shows like Farscape and BSG. Lost Room was low on special effects but had great acting and a original story. If they're not going to spend the money then that's what they should be focusing on.
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Dec 02, 2007 10:23:46 AM CST
Hey I know! How about BS Season 3 on DVD for the Holidays!
by stormwatcher
Nope? hmm..... well that's tardastic.
Why the stupidity Sci Fi? -
Still, I'm helpless when it comes to a miniseries. For me, I like the medium of miniseries because if it is done right it can tell a story on a more epic scale than a movie ever could. Lonesome Dove, Hitchiker's Guide To The Galaxy, North And South, Roots, Shogun, The Thornbirds, Robocop Prime Directives, Battlestar Galactica. It's a shame this one seems like it'll suck, I would love to see a mini-series JLA. Enough time to establish each character, threat and all that, heck, you've got 8 hours to play with.
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Where is Spielberg when ya need him?
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Great movie! I'd rather see the further adventures on those two then this shit! More proof that Bonnie Hammer doesn't know what the fuck she's doing.
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Seriously, what's Zooey doing wasting her time in something like this?
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But have Michael Jackson play every part.
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However, I do still want to put my evil inside Zooey Deschanel. And Kathleen Robertson for that matter.
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...in a private reflection from the shiny toe of a red slipper. And it's OZSOME!!! (Had to be done.)
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That is pretty much all I need to hear to never watch this.
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...onto vhs. I take the tape to the street and Fast Forward over it with my SUV.This is the only known method for deriving pleasure from that poorly polished turd. As I said many TBs ago, yea verily, even before the WSOD appeared, Zooey is the only reason to record and watch this new turd from the same producers, same channel, that brings us FG.
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they "de-imagine"
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INDEED!
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seemed like it needed sayin, is all....
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Sadly, those were taken away too. Tin Man: chief eunich to Bonnie Hammer.
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thats a travesty in its own right
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Good story, generally well made. Lots of potential. It's too bad about Tin Man... There's a whole lot you could do with the OZ universe... Though given the people behind it it's not surprising to see all the negative reviews It is, however, surprising how many people who don't have a clue about good entertainment actually run things in Hollywood... not to mention the number of people without talent that are given roles and responsibilities that require talent.
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and make that Lost Room series while you're at it. Herc is on point with that.
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"If I Only Had a Career." I heard that High Pitch Erik cameos as The Wizard (someone check this out); as a result of Howard Stern's near anonymity (nobody cares), High Pitch may be striking out on his own. By the way, Bill Shatner is STILL bellyaching about his omission from the new STAR TREK. Good night and drive carefully (canned applause).
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Assholes. And now they're making movies that Mike, Joel and the Bots would have crucified.
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I don't think Eureka is dopey at all - they've got a nice ensemble of interesting characters with a decent amount of depth, and some fairly engaging story arcs. To me, it's a perfect scifi network show for the family. It's got drama and the funny but not too grim. Flash Gordon is certainly a throwaway show most of the time with some terrible acting, but some of the plots aren't bad. It reminds me of some of the Xena/Hercules style. The problem with it is that the basic plot of Flash Gordon (brash American guy in crazy space circumstances trying to get home) was already done in Farscape, so they had to rearrange the whole core of it - make it more about the search for his father. So there's very little in common with classic Flash Gordon except for the names. But I do think it's interesting in how it deals with fascism and dictatorship. There was a recent episode that had a brilliant sequence (I know, I know - I was shocked too) that showed the stark contrast between sincere indigenous ritual and state-sponsored ceremony, by cutting back and forth between Ming performing this 'Honor Day' ceremony, complete with dancers and drummers as a show for the people, and the Verdun character Baylin, performing the same ritual as something that she actually believed in, with no other audience than the 'spirits.' So every now and then, a gem shines through the crap. I won't be terribly disappointed if it's not renewed, but it's passable. Of course, neither of these can touch the brilliance of BSG or Farscape, but not every show can.
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'Invisible Man' DVDs (like 'Six-Million Dollar Man' and original 'Bionic Woman') are available through Amazon.co.uk or Ebay. If you've got a Region-free player and a credit card, you're golden.
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Dec 02, 2007 5:06:46 PM CST
Scifi's Flash Gordon is the worst series to ever grace my TV!
by orionsangels
The Beastmaster TV show was cooler and better made.
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Seriously, no one should ever bother to remake The Wizard of Oz again, because all we ever get is stupid crap like "Tin Man" and "The Wiz." The original 1939 version was a cinematic masterpiece. Maybe it wasn't entirely true the book, but who cares? It was close enough. No more remakes or "twists," please.
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Seriously, why does Sci-Fi waste the only good content they produce?
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i didn't know that the people behind Flash were also being "The Lost Room." Just watch "Lost Room" again. Can you honestly tell me that Peter Krause put half an ounce of effort in that show like he did "Six Feet Under" or "SportsNight?" 'Lost Room was garbage, Flash is garbage and I guess "Tin man" will be garbage.
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It was really good, in comparison to The Triangle, which was really bad.
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Sure it does. National Treasure's on right now.
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It was six hours of very enjoyable television. The concept was original for a start (something you certainly can't say about 95% of television these days!), the writing was excellent and I couldn't find any problems with the acting. I loved The Lost Room and would have liked to have seen more of it.
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Is the cold cup of grog served up by a comely wench?
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I knew this was going to be crap, but this confirms it. and i already promised the wife i'd watch it with her. oh well, guess i'll be sneaking into the bathroom every 20 minutes for bong hits.
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Totally science fiction! Now that's entertainment!
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Either your wife makes you smoke dope in the bathroom, or she's in such a state that she can't tell you've been taking bong hits. Either way, sounds like "Fun House."
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The sci fi channel buy the rights and show old Doctor Who reruns? It seems a natural, like they show the old twilight zones. They would get lots of critical praise and maybe some RATINGS! No, they gotta show python vs Boa VII-blood lust. Or some crap like that. BTW Kathleen Robertson is smokin hottt.
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I tried watching, but the evil witch queen sorceress chick is just PAINFUL to watch, and the score is PISSING ME OFF, so I'm going to do something more productive with my time.
Call me when they make a film adaption of "Wicked" (not the musical, but the book). -
the best program that sci fi ever made. honestly. why do these execs even get these jobs if they dont even know what people like? really? pain killer jane instead of the lost room? flash gordon instead of the lost room? really?!?!? since the actor is on dirty sexy money or whatever it is, dont raid this and comeup with a new cast. you had your chance for a frickin huge franchise and pissed it up the wall. it was smart sci-fi without the ned for a huge rediculous budget. you had the option of shit or gold , and you decided shit had to win everytime.
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you didnt like the physios in the lost room either? seriously dude, you have no fucking taste
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when BSG is done what will there be worth watching? SG:A is kinda "meh" even though they have a good cast. "Flash" is crap. "Ghost Hunters?" Well, it IS fiction even though there are 'tards that believe that shit. Oh, and wrestling. WTF? "Eureka" is "meh" as well. And they cancelled "Dresden" which had some promise. I think BSG was a fluke. Ron Moore knew he couldn't slam dunk with the pilot so he made it your usual bleh SciFi mini, then went to series and knocked it out of the park. All of a sudden SciFi had a show that was not crap, and they panicked. So, just four seasons (no matter what Moore says).Basically I think SciFi PLANS to air crap and when it's not they pull it, or conspire to kill it.
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damm you lack of spellchecker!
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Deschanel is trapped in a wooden cage captured by a tree-based mudget culture gee what does that remind you of?
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...but I'm about to give up. This is embarrassing.
I continue to wonder why Sci-Fi continues to make shit like Flash Gordon and Jane, along with the cheesy B-movies, all while complaining about budget issues for Galactica (an excuse to make half-seasons and sell the them for full price?) and canceling other shows which grab the sci-fi audience just in time to disappoint them by pulling said show (Dresden, for example... I started getting into that ><).
Then I remember that Sci-Fi is a part of NBC, who could fuck up a wet dream and not be in it. -
Original? Well, maybe the first time when they called it Friday the 13th - The Series. Still, LR spun it in a few different directions. And... it's cheap. Wasn't the big thing a few years ago how SciFi was going to cut back on the big space epic stuff and go with cheaper down-home-on-Earth material. Which is perfect for Lost Room (or Dresden). Now they seem to be going the opposite way.
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is she portraying "D.G." as a wooden robot?
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Why can't we have another Tenth Kingdom or similar quality mini series? Something funny and worth spending 6+ hours watching.
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Ugly, boring, badly acted. Nights 2 & 3 will tank.
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Dec 02, 2007 9:21:52 PM CST
Sci Fi is dead, that's why it's clinging to Galactica like a pro
by performingmonkey
But seeing as they can't afford to greenlight a 5th season or anything else Moore has to offer in that universe, they are hereby screwed/
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Tin Man-->Cancel this Season Pass. Most boring show ever.
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Anyone remember Return to Oz, starring a young child actress by the name of Fairuza Balk? That movie was apparently faithful to the conceptions of the original L. Frank Baum book, and was one of those PG fantasies in the mid-80s (Labyrinth, Dark Crystal, Neverending Story) that had a good deal of darkness. As for this one, do what not?
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Before I started reading the messages here I was going to say that Tin Man felt just like something that the people behind Flash Gordon would do -- random changes for no reason that aren't explained and have no point and crappy boring stories (and I would have sworn that the actress who plays Azkadellia is the same one who play's Flash's Aura)Imagine my surprise when I read here that the people behind Flash Gordon actually DID make this. No wonder they both have the same kind of crap in them.So first they get a full season of Flash Gordon ordered and then Tin Man. So the question is who are the people behind this crap sleeping with or what kind of information do they have to keep blackmailing Scifi? Or are they simply the Uwe Boll of SciFi channel??
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That was a pretty sweet kick in the preview. I didn't like the no matter how obvious spoiler of Tin Man's return scene in part 2.
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It's pathetic that she works as little as she does...and doubly pathetic that she turned up in this mini-series. She's so awesome, she actually makes me almost forget my Katee Sackhoff obsession.
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Sorry, couldn't resist.
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that was pretty bad. Made miss the good old days of Merlin.
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...instead of this piece of shit. She was one of the best things about the HITCHHIKER'S GUIDE film and I'd much rather watch her as Trillian again than another two nights as "D.G." Oh, well...at least Sci Fi confirmed they're airing DOCTOR WHO Series Four in 2008, so tonight wasn't a total loss...
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There's a reimagined movie I'd like to see. Without the awful singing and tacked on happy ending of the musical with more concentration on the Wicked Witch being a revolutionary. keep dreaming Soup, it'll never happen.
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In addition to being Flash Gordon bad the music was just horrible. I swear that they put in temp music from Stargate SG1 and just never bothered to replace it with real music. Some of the cues sounded a lot like sg1 music.
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Although I'm sure there's a lot of kids who are in for a shock when the pick up the book after seeing the musical.
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Dec 02, 2007 11:09:59 PM CST
I missed seeing this tonight, did I just dodge a bullet?
by spifftacular squirrel girl
I'm assuming Sci-Fi will replay this before the second part tomorrow night right?
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And one of the reasons I liked th book so much was how dark and serious it was and the musical just cut that right out. I liked Son of the Witch well enough but it was as vague and noncommitted through most of it as its protagonist. I hope The Watermark is as good as Wicked though whenever it comes out. In conclusion Fairuza Balk is hot.
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My guess is Sci-Fi is too cheap and too stupid, and also BBC is too stingy and too stupid. BBC should sell old Who dirt cheap to either BBC America or Sci-Fi, as it would be like advertising for their new shows and the DVD sets. I guess BBC figures they'd rather just sell their way overpriced random DVD sets that come out in a fashion that screws old fans while discouraging new fans from even trying.
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Dec 02, 2007 11:28:29 PM CST
How much better is Space compared to Sci-Fi?
by spifftacular squirrel girl
I was in Toronto a couple of years ago at a convention and some guy was completely going on a rant about how the Sci Fi channel is garbage compared to Space. Can anyone confirm that?
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that was cool
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Not a good watch at all.
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I swear I've seen this movie when I was younger but I can hardly remember it. Is it worth the rental?
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Dec 03, 2007 1:32:03 AM CST
if anyone should be allowed to remake the wizard of oz....
by gavinvandraven
it should be TIM BURTON
johnny depp is the scarecrow, jack black is the cowardly lion, vin diesel is the iron giant... er, tin man. maybe not... but those first two... a definite maybe
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Its OZSOME
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There is some pretty dark stuff in that film and some beautiful visuals.
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That really was ozsome.
I'll give it a whirl this week sometime. -
Because I was too busy staring at Kathleen Robertson.
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they should have paid the producers to do a wrap up movie to explain the "WTF?" ending of the 2nd Pretender movie instead.
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Dec 03, 2007 3:42:28 AM CST
can they make each yellow brick as boring as possible?
by duchuvney_post_x
the wizard of zzzzzzz. abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
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After the atrocious Flash Gordon and this flaccid turd they should kick these retards to the curb.
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... like “Tin Man” and “Flash Gordon” instead of Ron Moore’s “Galactica” prequel “Caprica” or a sequel to the superb “Lost Room” quite vexes the imagination." No it doesn't. Caprica or a Lost Room sequel would cost money. Tin Man looks like it was filmed in the same Vancouver locations as Flash Gordon. The suits at Sci Fi don't give a s**t about quality.
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knowing it wasn't going to be that good, but then Herc had to mention SciFi not greenlighting Caprica, or Lost Room, then I remembered the whole Farscape debockel and now I hate this show. I hate SciFi channel.
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I read most of the Oz books as a kid and thought this version was quite well done. Can't wait for parts 2 and 3.
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Please stop making garbage like this and bring back 'Farscape'. Thank you.
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Although I haven't read the books, the title character wasn't ad important as DG's storyline. And when she got to OZ, looked up at the suns, I was like, is she On Endor or Tattoine? And then it was confirmed to be Endor....right after the commercial. It seemed there were SW influences and they kept running the same title theme throughout. Costumes were pretty well done. The pimp guy Tin man roughs up was funny.
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Is the same reason why they call her "DG" instead of Dorothy Gale or call it "the O Z" instead of Oz -- because that makes it edgy and weird and different. Oh and because they can.
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1. Katee Sackoff
2. Katee Sackoff
3. Real Sci Fi (Remember how excited you were at the beginning!)
4. A lot less crap. (Really dissapointed with Flash, and I was a really big fan too!)
5. Katee Sackoff
6. If we can't get real/better Sci Fi, how about giving up that 'name' and change it to 'The B-Movie and Slock Channel'?
7. Invest in great shows like BSG.
8. Katee Sackoff!
Thank God I'm not Starring in a 'Sci Fi Channel Original'!!! -Stark
Oh Yeah... Did I mention Katee Sackoff?
P.S. I got your Tin Man right here! -Ironman -
better with added sceans and a longer version that can be viewed in one hour increments. Besides, I think Katee is on Bionic tonight! Gotta stock up on Kleenex!!! -Stark
O i l c a n ! -Ironman -
so good! you really blew it with that one Sci Fi. Re-watched it, and that show could have been amazing - so much potential.
I'm telling you, get RDM to remake The Prisoner with a big budget, and you've got gold. -
My God, did the editors make mistakes on this. In Part 1, scenes were jumbled, it looks like some rehersal scenes were used by mistake. They had to do a lot of ADR, and it sounded like it was done at the last minute on basic studio equipment. The music cues were limited to three paticular compositions, and the choice of music was bad. There are a lot of great ideas here. The tornado is a wormhole, Auntie Em is an android, Dorothy is the exiled princess returning to take her rightful place. It's been a long time that something this high profile ended up so messed up in the end.-----later-----m
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The story is majorly focused around DG. That's what I mean. Tin Man is just a supporting character....so far.
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Dec 03, 2007 10:37:27 PM CST
There's one thing the Wizard didn't have to give THIS Tin Man
by mister man
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That's the only thing they left out in those reviews.
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C'mon, Scifi, put Battlestar Galactica out of its cheesy, lovesick misery, abort Flash Gordon and bring back Farscape.
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A whole show about how they never find anything? Canceled! More Farscape.
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I've seen some pretty cool video of some crazy shit. That door closing by itself in the shining hotel for one. And a lot of creepy EVP's.
And that evil sister bitch in Tin Man has some sweet cleavage...yummy!!! -
drew 6.2 million viewers. making it the highest rated program ever aired on the scifi channel
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that isn't pure Ass Butter?
If I want to see a show with poor writing and FX straight out of an early 90's video game I always know where to turn. Thier one saving grace, they keep otherwise unemployable hotties like Traci Lords, Kari Wuhrer and now this tart on "Tin Man" employed in "acting" jobs. -
i was in the other room and heard the music and thought that stargate was on. weird.
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I've enjoyed some of it. First appearance of the Tin Man, Alan Cumming, The Long Coats, Evil Hotness, the Tin Man's fall through the ice, the Wicked Witch, some minor steam punk, the general feel of the O.Z. They still failed immensely. Could have been huge.
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and the "Father" ... "Son" part.
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and is oghdru jahad (sp?) going to come through?
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That was kinda cool. A campy way to spend six hours, but fun.
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Dec 05, 2007 11:57:56 AM CST
Good ideas, noty so well executed. Sounds like most of what
by crichtonastronut
SciFi has been doing. When are they gonna get AND KEEP the people who can turn good ideas into great movies and series.
Ron Moore, David Kemper anyone. And I agree about I-Man why the hell isn't that in region 1. The homage to The Prisoner alone make it worthy of a rerun. -
Dec 05, 2007 12:02:54 PM CST
It wasn't just that the concept for Flash Gordon had been done b
by crichtonastronut
by Farscape. It was that it was done WAY THE FUCK BETTER before by Fascape.
Kind of the falts in the current version harder to miss. -
It started a pattern of cancelling shows just as they are starting to really get going. Now, Battlestar continues that tradition. Oh well...
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Again a lot of great ideas. D.G. is a direct decendent of Dorothy Gale. Azkadelia's costume is the original planned costume for the Wicked Witch of the West in the 1939 musical. The address for the farm on earth being 39. But Nick Willing and his post production crew botched it. And yes, they did shoot in Vancouver where all the other NBC-Universal shows are done. One thing I wish they would have done, and maybe they asked and were turned down, is have had the coolest cameo with one of Judy Garland's granddaughters or Faruzia Balk playing Dorothy Gale. That would have moved the miniseries to a B-.Instead it is just a C+. This could have been great.-----later-----m
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Was it just me or did you get the douchechills every time they called her "DG"? That's not a nickname. Maybe Dot? How did she get a normal name and her sis gets a wacked out name? Wouldn't you think the first born would get the name passed down? Anyway, the acting blew and the story premise has some good ideas but no follow through. For a mini series called "Tin Man" it sure did tell the story of DG a lot more that Cain.
BRING BACK FARSCAPE!!! NOW! -
...is still the greatest thing ever. Maybe Farscape + Zooey = OMG? *sigh*
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It had a Dark Tower vibe going for it. Beyond that I think that the CGI was seamless and beautiful in lots of scenes. The art direction was top notch. It had a darker tone than any Oz story I can remember, and I like it dark.
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I admit I liked what I saw from the previews but was not happy with the end result. I sat through the 1st hour and could not take any more. The pace which was snail-like and especially the acting were too much for me to stomach. Does anyone @ SciFi screen these shows before they put them on? This idea had alot of promise but was not executed properly. Maybe Tim Burton could be persuaded to take a crack at retelling the WOOZ story. My question would be "who would Johnny Depp play?".
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Had a good story and good sp f/x. I wanted to see more at the end adjusting to the changes after the wicked witch leaves that hot 90210 chick's body. I will probably get the DVD on this. Flying monkey's and boobs are all I need.
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Big Snake Movies...
Big Bug Movies...
Crappy Alien Vs. Predator Rip-offs...
When they do a mini-series like Dune or Tin Man, at least it's better than that B-movie crap!!
My God, people...
Who are these dimwit execs who think that sci-fi people want to watch crappy monster movies about giant spiders at a ski lodge??
There are tons of descent scripts just gathering dust somewhere because somebody at a low-ball CGI shop has been doing oral favors for some at USA Network to get all their MOV contracts...
WJ
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