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Ledger's Joker: Empire Cover Boy!!
Merrick here...
Empire magazine has a great shot of Heath Ledger as the Joker on the cover. Looks like this is the same image that is still being revealed in a more teasing fashion HERE. Guess someone's timing didn't work out right?
Until now, I'd only managed to work myself up to "neutral" on the casting of Ledger as The Joker; this image sells me on the notion quite nicely. Of course, there's still much more to be seen...and much more to the character than appearance alone. Still, this is nice & creepy & promising.
CLICK TO EMBIGGEN (EVEN MORE)!!!
Also...I don't think we've linked out to this yet...there's a featurette online with DARK NIGHT director Christopher Nolan and cinematographer Wally Pfister about portions of the film that were shot in IMAX. CLICK HERE to take a look!
Thanks to Custardo, Tony, and Worst Part's Almost Over for sending along images and whatnot.
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eat it.
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This is gonna be great
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Mere SECONDS before I post mine.
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Me likey alot.I've got to get me a pair of those socks...
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i was sold before, but that pic has actually made me think twice. not so sure anymore...
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DO NOT LIKE
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Very nice.
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he looks sinister... i love it.
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Empire magazine, I can always count on you for the combination of ugly fonts and schizophrenic text layout...You put Wired to shame.
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slightly
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Wasnt there a fucked up clown in that game that looked similar?
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...pretty cool!!!!
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Do my eyes believe me? Can it be? Is this AICN reporting on The Dark Knight? Surely not!
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And kill.
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i hope and expect Batman sequel to be good, but i still hate heath ledger for sucking ass on screen his whole career
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This looks great.
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WOW, this is nothing like i expected it to be, it’s way worse! You have got to be kidding me. Retarded doesn't begin to describe the look of what they are calling "the Joker". Thank god the franchise will be dead again. With any luck the Watchemen will be decent and they might reboot the Batman franchise with The Dark Knight Returns. The only people who honestly think the Joker looks cool here are the producers and the idiots that bankrolled this future turd.
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Looks like a Joker henchman, or something.
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...better get down to the newsagent.
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Ledger is gonna own your asses and your first borns...he's that good...as the Joker.
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Watch as the Talkbackers divide into at least two camps:one that hates the make-up and thinks he doesn't look dapper enough.andone that loves the old-school comic look and can't wait to see this dark, sinister portrayal.(There should also be an auxiliary third camp that is set aside specifically for anchorite and I am Batman.)
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This looks great!!!!
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He's a mean one, mr. Grinch.
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Notice the Mummy 3 preview in the corner of the mag? Really a mummy 3, i remember hearing something about changing directors but how is it going to be anything besides something that should have gone direct to DVD?
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Gagging for a decent trailer! This film's going to rule next summer.
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Really looking forward to this film.
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Yeah it totally looks like Sweet Tooth. Hopefully he's half as crazy as sweet tooth is.
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It's just another picture. This offers no insight into what he'll be like in the film. He doesn't look creepy either. Just a tad uninteresting.
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This http://www.all4humor.com/images/files/Sewer%20Clown.jpg
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There is nothing in any of the visuals, that I've seen thus far, to make me feel enthusiastic. I don't understand why these stories can't be told while having a look that creates more interest. Everything, including Batman's convention-level suit, looks cheap. But I'll go see the damn movie. I just won't be excited about it.
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He kind of looks like Keaton as the joker and that’s kind of funny.
Why does everyone on the planet just accept shit nowadays?
I just don’t accept this, take it back and redo it please.
What I love is that some people are looking at these pics we’ve been getting and secretly praying that it’s some sort of in-between stage of the Joker and that by the end of the movie he’ll transform into what we see on the pages of the comic.
It ain’t happening bright eyes wake up.
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LMAO! Pound Sand, great observation.
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Don't forget to check out the The Gotham Times website for more information on what has been happening in Gotham since the release of the fear gas in the Narrows
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people who can determine how good a movie is going to be based on one picture from a magazine cover are a pack of unbelievable assholes. Congratulations, pricks.
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Good grief! Dark Knight news on AICN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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In the immortal words of Lloyd Benson: "I knew the Joker... and you sir, are no Joker." Between this movie and the killing of Bruce Wayne in the comics I might have to quit Batman all together. (Yes, I realize that statement is ironic)It's been a nice 40 year run but these idiots are screwing it all up.
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this is as good as a movie Joker will ever look. maybe as good as it COULD ever look. count your blessings, thank Jeebus Nolan isn't going to fuck this up, and have your geekgasm.
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If that joker showed up to my house at 3 am I’d show him a Detective comic with the real Joker in it quickly sculpt and appliance, apply it to his face, and impale him on my lawn gnome.
Then I’d go back to watching V for Vendetta or Sin City.
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I look at that picture and I see the fucking Joker which is exactly what I'm meant to be looking at. I'm sure people just want to argue for the sake of arguing here!
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http://www.kryptonsite.com/patientj.jpg
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I meant quickly sculpt "AN" appliance.
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American movie stuff than American Mags do? For that matter, why are British magazines better, period? I'm tired of spending $10-15.00 a magazine to get a decent read. Starlog? HA! -
nice work, the smile is perfect
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You're an idiot. Goodbye.
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You're a fucking moron.
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...which he is. he's just a man. a crazy criminal with a penchant for garish, dramatic, old style. they even explain that his clothes are hand-made. If you were a criminal, would you show your face in a TJ MAXX to buy a clean purple church suit? hells no. I've always wondered how someone like the joker could ever appear in public to do anything. He'd have to send his thugs out for groceries or anything. This is PLAUSIBLE REALISM....I've come to terms with the facepaint and dye job. This is more SE7EN and less x-men. We aren't talking about skin mutation and strange chemicals. This is a new real take on a rather implausible idea....and i LOVE the animated series joker. In a fictional comic world, that works...but not in the real world.
I'm digging the new look, and being the Joker for Halloween just got hella easier. time to raid grandpa's closet. a new take on the joker would have to have some anarchic punk/rockstar leanings, and this hits the nail without being over the top. -
This Joker is shaping up to be everything I was hoping it would be.And to anyone who wants to try and bring up Patient J or even Batman: Dead End as the end-all-be-all of Joker/Batman portrayals, go fuck yourselves. Patient J is vastly overrated, and I can't stand that guy's take on the Joker. It's like he took Mark Hamill's voice, made it even cheesier then applied some white cream make up and a fake chin. That Joker would never work in an actual film. And, as for Batman: Dead End...it just wasn't that good. For the money Sandy Collora had, it looked great. But the Joker was a bit lame in it. Same deal as Patient J. Dead End's Batman was pretty decent, though...but I like the Begins take on it.Again, this pic looks great, and I think Ledger is really going to surprise some people.
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are more saturated on the magazine, i think on the heiscoming website they are more accurate to the film
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I was worried he wasn't Batshit crazy enough from the fotos we've seen thus far but riddle me 'cited now he looks freakin awesome!!!
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i seriously like the hairstyle in this pic- where we get the nice flyback and crest action, unlike all the stringy longish hair we've seen in other pics.
Because over the course of a rigorous day of crime, real sculpted hair gets sweaty and limp and falls from form- as i suppose we'll see. -
for finally showing some batman scoop.
this also shows that this reveal is jarring enough to even turn the opinions of AICN a little more towards accepting TDK as 'kewl' -
you are my hero. there is no way someone could argue that Nolan's take isn't lightyears beyond than Burton's.
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you haters are seriously douchebags. he looks rad and it looks plausible as well. nolan, well done.
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sweet! says i. like saruman - there's just something c hilling and bizarre about a madman with the long nails. i'm in, completel y - nolan's worked up tons of 'benefit of the doubt' in my book and no one can prove otherwise. also - trailer soon? all these secret/newspaper sites...something's gotta happen soon
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If you look at the pic released during the comcicon scavenger hunt where's holding a knife to Maggie Gyllenhall, it's a lot cleaner than that, same with the leaked pics that show that scene from a different angle.
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1 More positive vote. I love it. Just for the sake of conversation I would submit that I wonder what this same look, make up, etc., woulda looked like on C Glover or some of the other names that were bounced around. I love it here though & for one can't wait. Bats Begins ruled. I'm figuring after this one I'll get rid of all the Batman movies in my collection that were made before 2000. Burton's original Batman is the only one even close to watchable in that group. Hopefully after The Dark Knight I'll have the guts to finally dump all those old vhs tapes.
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You're right and I know we won't get the comic version of the Joker by the end of this film, but I definitely think this is just Nolan's "Joker Begins." I think we'll be seeing him as the crazy, daring up & comer Joker, and if that's the case, I think he looks just fine. Whether or not we ever see Ledger's Joker in his prime, more powerful, polished, and Batman's ultimate pain in the ass remains to be seen. I have more complaints w/ Batman's new suit than the new Joker's look. Just because it's called The Dark Knight doesn't mean he should be wearing a medieval suit of armor.
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AICN covers TDK. Awesome! Oh, and the pic is cool too. :p
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It would be nice if it was SERIOUSLY died completely green...not just some color gel in the hair, but i'm with Oski - he's been beat around and smudgy in jail or something
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Will she suck out screen time once again in a limp dick love story that goes no where?
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...I really do. The clothes look great, the hair looks great, the bat-shit insane look on his face is great... but I'm bummed that his pasty whiteness appears to just be make-up. I was hoping for a chemically-altered snowy-white-skinned Joker, like the comical books. Still, I guess we haven't seen the entire movie yet, but... I was just hoping he'd be Joker "all the way".
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a lot better than Nicholson's, that's for sure. I can't wait to see what Nolan does for a follow-up....
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Hey all. Just a quick (or not)though. A whole lot of people are ripping on the Burton version of the Batman movies saying how lame they were compared to the Nolan incarnations. Now don't get me wrong, I loved Batman Begins, and i reckon I'll love TDK, but I think back to the summer of 1989, and I can't help but remember how much that film rocked my socks off. When you consider what had been done at the time, and were we were as a society (smack dab in the middle of glam rock 80's), the Burton batmans were quite dark. and the budget and special effects were the likes of which a comic book movie had never seen. The burton films paved the way for ALL comic book movies that followed, even the shitty ones. Yes, the nolan ones are more dark and gritty "real world", but we've been though a hell of a lot of shit as a society (the general malaise of the grunge era, two wars, the terrorist attacks) and our movies are fittingly getting darker and more "real". I guess what I'm trying to say is that yes, I agree that the Nolan/Bale batmans are better than the Burton/Keaton batmans, but only because it is an evolution. These new films wouldn't have been able to exist without the ealy ones. Burton didn't get it wrong, he just got it early. Thank you, I'll crawl back into my hole now. (steps down from soapbox, unwraps a grape blowpop)
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Do a google image search for The Dark Knight + Knife
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Nov 27, 2007 12:17:40 PM CST
How'd that nursery rhyme go? "Marilyn Manson had a pie..."
by jackpumpkinhead
"Marilyn ate it with a cry?" God, this looks wretched. By the way, for a freak with alleged fetishism for "realism", Nolan sure loves to plagiarize Blade Runner's phantasmagorical cities for his "realistic" Gotham.
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This is the most dissapointing thing ever. He looks like a drunk with leaves in his hair. I think I'll give this one a miss.
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Shut the f**k up.
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Shut the f**k up.
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Nov 27, 2007 12:23:21 PM CST
Thank heavens the real Batman film is still there, though.
by jackpumpkinhead
And the one true screen Joker Nicholson, too.
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Yup, shut the f**k up.
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It's showtime!
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And I thought no one could do a worse Joker than that! This is Cesar Romero territory.
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http://tinyurl.com/36q3h2
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There are a lot of little subtle things wrong with this. Is there a horse hoof coming out of the Joker's ass? Also, did the graphic artist draw little dicks coming out of the spray paint... yeah, they're suppose to be paint drips, but you know they were laughing about it when they were making the cover... and the biggest thing wrong... MUMMY 3??
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When was that ho in the comic book? fuck, what's wrong with hollywood and their love of the damsel in distress cliche?
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Wait till at least a trailer comes out to start bashing the flick,Begins was a movie i had no excitement seeing then it turned out to be pretty much my favorite superhero film ever.Personally I think ledgers gonna blow it out of the water..and F*&K Jack Nicholson as the joker,that was NOT the joker,it was jack in makeup.
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before I make up my mind on this one. Frankly, I'm a little underwhelmed by how Ledger looks. But then again, I haven't seen the script and I don't know WHY he looks like that. Are they planning on explaining Joker as a victim of the fear toxin? If you visit the Gotham Times viral website, there's an "article" regarding how exposure to the toxin has caused outbreaks of mental illness among Gotham's population. This would fit in with the "real world" aspects that Nolan's Batman inhabits.
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Jesus fucking Christ this looks great. A bunch of whiney bitches in here.
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There is no room for earlier, dapper Joker incarnations in a film built on the world of Batman Begins. Now way in hell. You want that take on Joker look elsewhere.
Simply put no joker ever in film has ever been menacing. Now, I'm going to wait until I see him in context, but from what I've seen so far this is a belivable, menacing joker.
The look sure implies to me someone capable of anything... while remaining rooted in the half realistic world created for this Batman.
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It looke like two face from that movie. I personally really like Batman Forever, its ridiculos yes, but its more a send up to the cheesy TV show. And for whoever is wondering about why this is coming from Empire, well yeah this may be an American founded movie, but like everyone in it is british. Everyone except Women Cruise and Morgan Freeman was british. And by British I mean all the isle's and australia. So why wouldn't it be on Empire?
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to say THIS LOOKS GREAT. The "meh" crowd can eat it and go back to their Mommy's basement. Dark Knight Out.
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At least they're trying to do the Joker right, instead of just being so grateful to get Nicholson that they just let him do whatever he wanted. Otherwise though, the Burton films were good. The set design and art direction were better and Michael Keaton was a more daring choice for Batman.
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dumb people are raising their blood pressure yelling about the joker, stupid.
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He looks like a guy that fell into some industrial chemicals...WTF did you think he would look like? It's very reality based, which is the theme of Nolan's Batman, and it works for me. Now, let's just hope the movie rocks, like I'm sure it will...
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a shitty toy, or average toy?
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So that gives me the right to say...Ennnh, better than Jack Nicholson's Joker, but still not as cool as Brian Bolland's Joker.
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Like the movie itself, Nicholson's Joker devolves at the point when he becomes infatuated with Vicky Vale. Before that ludicrous turn, he was note perfect. Don't tell me the first hour of BATMAN wasn't enormously effective.
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He obviously knitted together his own socks...that in itself is scary enough. Probably humming "Home Sweet Home" while he was watching a victim struggling to stay above the surface in a candy syrup vat.
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What, no "Bayformers" reference?!Unprecedented!
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Campy. FAT. OVER THE HILL. Baked ham in clown white. Nothing to match there. His only good scene was the shooting of Boss Grisom in the first act.
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Very realistic take that'll fit in Nolan's world.
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...anything, he's a little too colourful, a little too close to the faggot funny book character for children.
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I will defend the look of the Joker in as much as A: its a nice change of pace from the Nicholson Joker and B: It fits within the utilitarian world that Nolan has built.
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I like it a lot. He looks like a real world version of the Joker and that's what they were going for so I think it's successful in that sense.
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badass... but he looks like a child molester, which is probably a good thing... in this context only...
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I'm not a fan of the make up, or the cut smile, but that looks like the Joker to me. what else do you want?
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This looks like the kind of Joker where the things he laughs at are only funny to him...cause he's INSANE.
I loved the 89 movie very much but I totally dig the cut smile over that ridiculous appliance that Nicholson wore...but then again, tha makeup with with the somewhat surreal world that the Burton movie created so who knows. -
...Him to look like he does in some of the funny books and that awful Batman vs. Predator short film. In other words, an extremely bright, goofy looking Disney villain that would be laughable for 99.9 per cent of the audience who have had outside exposure to the world. No offence comic book people, but you make him look and act like he does in the cartoon, or the TV series, or the more childish incarnations of the comic, and the film will be laughed off the screen. Nicholson's joker looked far more removed from the most common versions too, plus it sucked, and people don't whine about him too much.
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...how he's played on film. And no one is going to know that until July.
I dig the look but it really all comes down to the performance.
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I'm fucking floored...
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It's never better than that fucking idiot version of Joker with his moustache showing through the makeup from the tv show, with the comically oversized mallets and jack in the boxes. Yeah, that was threatening. When you hear about clowns doing evil shit in real life? They look like John Wayne Gacy. This guy looks like a fucked up dude, not some fucking gaytronic-ass clown prince of crime. I'd be scared of this Joker,and the Dini cartoon Joker looked like this guy on the inside. Fuck, he's not going to be the Jack Nicholson version, or the Batman '60s version. He's not dapper enough? I don't get you guys sometimes. Fucking children.
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... and I was sold 200% on Heath. He is FRIGHTENING as the Joker. Creepy. Scary. I was blown away. I am so looking forward to this flick.
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Nov 27, 2007 1:49:57 PM CST
I love the whole Dave McKean vibe of the new Joker's styling
by killakane
You just know he's batshit cazy and truly psychotic. Nolan's take is going to be significantly edgier than the Joker buffoonery of previous incarnations; more 'Killing Joke'in it's representation or Bat's arch enemy.
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I'm kinda sick of every superhero needing a damn love interest.
Batman does NOT need a love interest.
He's waaaay too messed up for that. And too much of a loner.
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Yeah, I'd show him a picture of the 40's Joker, adjust my smoking jacket and turn off my Ovaltine-sponsored episode of 'Little Orphan Annie' on the radio, inviting him into my parlor for a few shots of the old egg cream, and whilst I perused the most recent issue of Collier's or Look! magazine, I'd remember "Oh, yeah! Everything in the world moves forward in time, and I should probably move my calendar forward." Then, this Joker would shoot me in the face, crack wise, and paint a grin on my face in blood.
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That's what makes him such a great foil for Batman. He knows exactly where to hit him where it hurts and makes it more tempting each time kill him once and for all. After all, if he does that the Joker wins. If he just turns out to be no more than a charismatic psycho I will be pissed.
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Hopefully after The Dark Knight I'll have the guts to finally dump all those old vhs tapes.
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I think this looks fantastic.. I have no doubt the performance will be right on.. Except for the casting of Mrs. Cruise for Begins, she looked too young, everything has been perfect. The make-up and the clothes look perfect and the look on his face taunting the camera is great...
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Looks like Keaton has switched to the other side.
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Is that you?
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Yes it is.
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Because if a killer clown who fights a billionaire who dresses like a bat has white skin it just isn't realistic!
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Regardless of how I feel about any given story, I'm fed up with everyone lazily tossing off the word "hater" left and right. It's a cheap, derogatory shortcut in place of actually making a point. If you can't even manage to make a coherent statement in defense of something, then just spare us all the talkback clutter and don't post, okay? No one really wants to see your four-word offhand remark anyway.
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WHY CAN'T THEY GO INTO MY BRAIN AND MAKE THE MOVIE I HAVE IN MY HEAD!!?!?!? IS IT THAT FUCKING HARD!?!?!
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Well said. I'm neutral on the makeup/skin question, but the way you put that cracks me up.
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Well said. It's a perfect satire of everyone's complaints, because it's *exactly* what we're all thinking, whether we admit it or not!
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If anyone remembers me from the last Joker thread, I was severely disappointed in Heath's Joker. I still am. In one picture, he looks like an emo boy. In another, like Leona Helmsley. And in this image, like a rapidly-aged bar fight victim. Keep in mind I'm sure he'll act it out just fine and I'm sure the script and screenplay and everything else is fine. But again, the look is so important, and even my mom was disappointed in the images of Heath as Joker. Still think I'm nay-saying just for the sake of it? Alright, let's imagine the last movie, "Batman Begins", except Batman's suit has an ocean-blue cape, cowl, boots, and speedos, while the pants and shirt are a pale gray and he has the yellow oval on his chest. And no other change. Would it still be the same movie? Ehh, probably, but you know that look would have really ruined it. Likewise, this Joker will have a severe negative impact on my viewing experience of this movie.
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Why not have bleached-white skin? They had fear toxin in the last movie and a villain who remembers Rome being burned. Not to mention, it's all the unnatural aspects of the Joker that makes him so unnerving. Believe it or not, Nicholson's came a lot closer. Oh, go ahead and hate me for it, but look him up and compare him to a comic image. He was a lot closer, and it's the contrast of psychotic madman with a neat, clean look that really spooks people.
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This is awesome. People complaining that he doesn't look like he does in the comics probably also complained that Wolverine didn't wear yellow spandex in the X-Men movies.
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Rose-tinted glasses? Keep in mind, I was a nay-sayer of Nicholson's for a long while, too. He was just a bit old, a little thick (I know, the Joker's supposed to be lanky thing) and at least six feet tall. But he had an outlandish thrill for killing people, and he had that huge grin. The grin is important. It's as important as the purple suit and the green hair. I'd even forgive the substitution of makeup (in the story) for the falling-in-a-river-of-chemicals angle if they could just get the grin right. And they didn't.
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Never rub another man's rhubarb.
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I don't think it was implied that fake Ras remembered Rome burning, just that his organizations history goes back centuries.
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Look like a white boy who ventured into downtown Detroit late at night, got his ass beat, then tagged with green paint after shopping at Hot Topic.
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I love this pic. Not sure if anyones mentioned this but the pose and the look in the eyes is very Clockwork Orange. I love the fact that they are incorporating that influence. Hardly surprising since Clockwork is one of Nolans favourite films and was reported to be a starting off point for Heath's take on The Joker. Can't wait for this movie. I love Clockwork Orange.
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Nov 27, 2007 2:54:43 PM CST
how could any serious fan of batman comics not like this pic?
by slappy jones
he looks fucking amazing.now obviously this could still be shit...if the past 15 years of film has taught me anything its don't believe it till you see it but this picture is fucking perfect as far as I am concerned. The Joker is my favourite character of all time whther it be film, movie, comic whatever. I love the joker and this picture to me looks perfect. I like nicholsons version but unfortunately nicholson was too old and round for it to really ever feel like the real joker...this picture nails how he should look. for me anyway.
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I'm not thrilled with that. But if you can't fix it, you gotta stand it.
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I mean he looks like a fucked up, homicidal, demented, emanciated clown dandy-whic is whatthe Joker IS!! I dont know what people want-all the joker could ever be was Heath in makeup-just as he was Ceaser in makeup, Jack in makeup-the fact that they made him a creepy as crazy as fuck looking Heath in makeup deserves kudos...I mean they could have done mr.J with huge chemcal burns and worn down skin if they were going to have the whole "fell into chemicals" thing, but they are doing some thing slightly different that looks spot on....and his clothes are perfect! How can you hate this? What were you xpecting?
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Nov 27, 2007 2:58:23 PM CST
skywalkerfamily do you measn not as subtle as the joker in the c
by slappy jones
because he i so understated....silly.
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Can't understand what all the jitters are about. I have faith in this being the best Batman film in the series. Also, most of you wining maggots will go and see it despite all your bitching and you'll sit there with your pathetic little hard-ons hidden beneath your popcorn enjoying every fucking single minute. Don't say I didn't tell you so.
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Who's having the hard-on? The critics or the fanboys? And you know what, the fact that there's this much division in the reception of this and other images shows that this movie will not get the heightened appeal the last one did.
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fired from wonka's factory for too much booze and coke lines
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I did a google search and got this frigging talkback. English? Do you speak it??
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You might spot a few cosplayers (Which would be males)/crossplayers (Which would be females) dressed as him. Looks way better than DJ Tanner trying to do Nicholson's with that Mardi Gras-looking mask...
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So tainting beauty supplies with Joker venom and flaunting it on national airwaves isn't characteristic of the Joker? Killing a man with a lethal shock hand-buzzer and laughing it up as he's cooking isn't characteristic of the Joker? He's not perfect, and I have my complaints on Jack's take on it, but he had his merits, too. Not to mention effort was put into his GRIN.
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Nov 27, 2007 3:17:32 PM CST
Look at Arkham Asylum: A serious House...for the perfect Joker T
by conspiracy
It did not mess with who the Joker is, but made him gritty, real, and not the least bit "funny".
I still am at a loss as to why Nolan though he had to dispense with DC Canon (Chemical disfigurement) in order to make a realistic Joker.
All hope is that this guy has the acting chops to somehow make this mess the Joker; instead of simply looking like a West Hollywood bottom who got rolled on his way home from a night of Extasy fueled buggery. -
The film barely cracked 200 mil and it did so slowly, over multiple weeks. It was word of mouth that made the film great and kept it going. Half of the people didn't feel like giving Bats another pass until they heard good recomendations. That said, most non-fanboys/non-talkbackers I know are REALLY looking forward to this movie. And Joker looks perfect.
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Anyone getting a Michael Keaton vibe?
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...they effectivley reneder any and all opinions they may have had completely void. If one can't even form a coherent simple sentence to express his or her actual feelings, why should anyone bother listening to anything they have to say?
Concerning the topic at hand, after Batman Begins, I have complete faith in Nolan's Dark Knight.
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I concur with your stance on "hater". Let's do the same with "meh", too.
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Hardly, M-o-M. More like the utter failure of a hygenically impure Timothy Burton. Jack's take on the Joker is just ONE interpretation. Some of it was great; some of it was hamfisted. Considering the goth-camp world it took place in, I hardly fault his performance for the dismal result that is the 89' film.Point being: people like and will continue to like different takes on the Joker. If you don't like one (or the other), just say so and move on.Sure beats trying to tell people what to think. Or haven't you learned that yet?
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I recently re-watched the first two (Burton) movies, and while I loved it at the time, Nicholson really is chewing the scenery in that first movie. Maybe I was too young to notice it when it first came out, but it hasn't aged very well. Personally, I'm all for a dark, maniacal, version of Mr. J. Also, anyone who's complaining about continuity changes in the new movie and not mentioning that Burton had the Joker as the guy who killed Bruce's parents, maybe you should watch Batman '89 again and get back to us.
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colorfull and creapy. That's the joker at first sight.
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I've seen alot of films with Ledger in and they all sucked.
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1, the IMAX version of TDK will be in 3D. 2, DC just announced they are NOT killing Bruce Wayne. And 3, this Joker fucking owns.
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I just saw him in I'm Not There last weekend, and it's a completely different side of Ledger than I'd seen before. He'll do quality work as The Joker, of this I'm sure.
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my three most anticipated films.
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8 minutes from TDK will be shown in front of I Am Legend
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because he can disappear into the role unlike a Jack Nicholson with paint on his face.
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are my three most anticipated movies right now, Summer 08 is shaping up nicely
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yes, you
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I expect TDK to make more than BB. Most of the people I talked to just assumed that BB was a sequel or prequel to the shitfest that was Batman and Robin. It was only 7 years later afterall. Now that Shumacker's stench has been aired out, I think this will be better received.
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Cut out the fucking wannabe-hip-shit. There is nothing wrong with saying "meh". There are times when that is the perfect phrase to describe something that illicits no emotional response one way or another. Plus, it's a perfectly bland looking word. Which I guess is kinda the point.
As for this Joker though, I am very much not meh. I think it looks pretty fucking sick so far. Too bad this won't be rated R. That would be the cat's meow.
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Nov 27, 2007 4:40:49 PM CST
What if they cast Keaton in Justice League? As an old school Bat
by stormwatcher
All geriatric and pissed off at the younger generation? Wonder, this Joker rocks though.
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Because Diane Keaton would make a terrible Batman at her age.
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I admit I'm more a fan of the Animated Series Joker - but that's not the world Nolan created in Batman Begins - it's just not. I'm interested to see just HOW insane this version of the Joker is. Should be cool.
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The Joker is crazy, but he's a sociopath, not a psychopath. There's a difference. This Joker is "playing with his own feces" crazy-looking. He's unhinged, totally psychotic, and apparently has no grasp of what is normal. The real Joker is a sociopath. He's fully aware of the fact that he's not normal, and he revels in his being so strange and quirky. Most of all, the real Joker sees himself as HILARIOUS and FUN. This Joker doesn't look like he thinks he's fun. He looks like he thinks he's ready to put on a suit made from pieces of women stitched together.
However, I can accept this as an ELSEWORLDS kind of tale. This is a different kind of Joker, but since when has DC ever put the mainstream DC Universe characters into live action? They always change them significantly. Whether it be Superman being cast way too young and skinny, Lex Luthor being cast as a funny guy, Batman having nipples on his batsuit, Bane being a mindless zombie, or Poison Ivy being a vamping idiot rather than a subtle murderess with an unhealthy obsession with her plants, DC characters are also substantially different from their comic book counterparts.
I mean, you all fucking loved the Penguin as a goo-spitting slob running for Mayor. You applauded the representation of Selina Kyle as a mild-mannered secretary who gets powers after falling in kitty litter, so a Joker that is one part Droog and two parts Manson is just the ticket.
I'm still waiting for them to get a DC movie right, but so far they produce what they THINK people want, rather than duplicating what has stood the test of time in the comics for 40+ years.
Spider-Man stuck pretty closely to the look and feel of the comics. Huge success. Spider-Man 2 did the same, and it was also a huge success. Spider-Man 3 deviated from the comics in MAJOR ways (Pete never broke into song when he was wearing the black costume) and it STANK.
Case in point. Don't change what works.
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i remember watching fight club for the first time, and thinking- man- tyler durden's formula for anarchy and gaining membership seems like something the joker should or could do...to run a whacked out criminal organization in secret and have guys that would obey his every command....throw in some clockwork orange, and i think we have some of this modern terrorist anarchist punk joker...
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So glad that my instincts were correct on this one. Would've been horrible if he was... horrible
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i hope there are enough threads of killing joke in this one- because i always liked the idea that both batman and the joker were just men..and one day someting bad happened to them, and each one developed differently afterward.like the joker being well-meaning joe with tons of bad luck and hard times...each thing getting worse- compounding- until SNAP!god knows i've had days were shit is SO BAD you just have to laugh it off, you go a little crazy to get through it.when bad shit happened to bruce, he had the financial stability to turn his anger into something productive.in an opposite case, i can see someone lashing out at everything because they have nothing left.
admit it, if batman was not wealthy and gadget stocked, he may have become a murderous vigilante.
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Seems creepy enough for me.
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you gotta admit, this is the kind of greasy, dirty, rockstar bad boy look and attitude that the chicks dig. This is how you get a Harley.
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frankly, having a guy run around with full on perfect clown make-up on is stupid...it was stupid when Jack did it and it would be even more ridiculous in the world Nolan has created which is less campy and more rooted in reality then burton's and THATS WHY IT WORKS, make it more real and people can connect with it, your average moviegoer will appreciate it more and while the fan boys and geeks will bitch and moan (see above) the movie will be better for it, it's not a comic, it's a movie BASED on a comic...plus who among us has ANY right to doubt Nolan after what he did with the first film? He's the reason (along with bale) that we are all foaming at the mouth for TDK to begin with
and zerocorpse, the definition of psychopath fits much better for joker the sociopath, a sociopath is someone with an antisocial disorder who cant tell the difference between right and wrong, a psychopath is someone who is sociopathic but this manifests itself in aggresive, perverted, criminal or amoral behavior without empathy or remorse(but perhaps WITH glee muhahaha)...which sounds more like the joker to you?
heath will nail it, plus, we are neglecting to look to the people who have seen footage (someone above mentioned seeing it and that heath is scary as fuck and looks great) and michael caine who said when he first encountered heath in character he was so scared he forgot his fuckin' lines and he's been doing this acting shit for a couple years (granted he was probably embellshing but its still a great sound byte)
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There was a big article on here a few days ago about how Bruce Wayne is John Conner.
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The best moment in the whole of Batman is when The Joker and Batman are both laughing at the end of The Killing Joke. I wish they'd make a hard R movie.
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Nolan's incarnation harkens to the styling of the comics and WB cartoon, but with a decidedly John W. Gacy/Clownhouse feel.
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It's so hard to tell from just a still. I could nitpick. But it looks like they put a lot of thought into it. They could have just layered on the make up and gave him a bright purple suit and a big grin, cast Dane Cook and then go home and count their money. I prefer my Joker with a bleached white face, sure. This is Nolan's take on the Joker and I can't see one way in which it's illegitimate - the Joker can be feral and Gacy-esque, sure. Why not? He's a disfigured homicidal psychopath with a clown motif. Am I seeing a disfigured homicidal psychopath with a clown motif? Why, yes I am. At that point, I'm shutting the fuck up. I'm also recognizing that Rev_Skarecroe's comment is one of the most prescient this site has ever seen. Besides, I can't see one way in which Nolan has done something to squander the trust and goodwill he earned with BEGINS.
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He looks like a Wal-Mart greeter gone bad...if said Wal-Mart greeter tried smoking a cig and huffing from a bag of gas at the same time.
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Nov 27, 2007 5:39:11 PM CST
Nolan is actually remaining so true to the source material that
by william landis
when some clowns cry "but it's make-up!"
*SPOILER* At the start of the movie, The Joker applies make-up which is ephemeral. By the end of the movie it is permanent, so you've got your canonized Joker! Caine hinted at it recently but what he did not mention is that The Joker cannot take his make-up off. You may have noticed his look is what some might call "off-the-rack" and what he applies to his face is cheap & nasty shit. Voila, he is chemically scarred which is what we realise as he's taken into custody. And Nolan is British so it is only right that he pays tribute to Kenny the Tiger from Phoenix Nights! *END SPOILER*
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"Nolan is actually remaining so true to the source material that IT HURTS when some clowns cry "but it's make-up!"" Forgive me, I chanelled Jack Nicholson as The Joker.
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Regardless of your opinion on the non-word "meh", the fact of the matter is that its inception into the English vernacular is almost solely due to the large number of whiny disenfranchised youth of this country who felt the need to create a new word to convey their lack of opinion on whatever it is they are discussing. The fact that said youth feel so compelled to tell complete strangers that they just don’t care about a particular subject matter to begin with is not important (though it IS highly amusing).
Long gone are the days when people would bother expressing themselves in a thoughtful, properly worded, grammatically correct manner. No, nowadays it's "cool" to show your lack of concern (or more accurately, lack of creativity) by simply typing "meh". Why take the time to say "I'm not impressed" or "That does nothing for me"? Stating that something "illicits (sic) no emotional response one way or another" is far too much work, right? I mean, you've taken the time to post on a public forum for the sole purpose of expressing your absence of feeling, why bother taking another couple seconds to articulate your thoughts in an even remotely interesting manner?
I’m sure the irony is lost on you, MC 909, but YOU are the wanna-be hipster here, not those seeking a moratorium on the use of the non-word "meh". You, sir, are the very type of person who can't be bothered to use the language you were taught back in 3rd grade to properly express your sentiments despite the fact that you’ve taken the time to make sure everyone knows that you couldn’t care less about whatever it is that is being discussed. You, sir, are a "meh-er". Worst of all, you then go on to end your post with a horrible pun, and follow that by laughing at your own pitiful "joke". Shame on you and your kind. I weep for the future.
Class dismissed.
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This is still crap, and Nolan is still very dead to me. In fact this shit is so bogus it makes not want to see 'Batman Begins' ever again.
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He looks like a college freshman dressed up like the Joker for halloween.
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Ledger will pwn this role.
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... but that film was flawed. It's okay, but I really hate the Prince songs and Kim Basinger and they totally screwed up Batman himself: using guns and bombs to kill bad guys? Blasphemy! I like "Batman Returns" much better. (And "Batman Begins" was nearly perfect, IMO) Forget using Nicholson today, it's just ludicrous! And I actually think Ledger will be good in the part and that he looks great! So, everybody relax and enjoy the ride...
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Ledger looks completely scary as the Joker: as it should be!
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When THE DARK KNIGHT comes out, I ain't reading the TalkBacks for it.All of the same critics from this TalkBack will be there spouting exactly the same rubbish about why they hated Heath Ledger's Joker. It's true and you know it.Every single person who has criticised his look on this TalkBack will walk into THE DARK KNIGHT determined not to like him and, after really enjoying themselves for an hour and half (probably even giggling in glee at some of the great stuff that they see), they'll come onto the TalkBack and go on and on and on about how his portrayal wasn't right, how he didn't look like the comics they read, how Jack Nicholson was better etc etc.Why? Because they won't want to admit that they're wrong! They won't want to admit that they wasted so much time whining and arguing when their energy could have been put to better use elsewhere.When exactly did Nolan make a bad movie? I can't remember it. Must have missed that one. When did he show the Batman fans that he didn't know what he was doing or that he didn't care for the material? Guess I must have missed that too!
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Not to defend lazy locution, but my dear professor, surely you realize that language changes over time, and that certain novel pieces of vernacular (such as the to-you odious "meh") are the very lifeblood of innovative discourse? Otherwise I fully agree with you.
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I must concur with Systemsbroom. Falcon my dear chap, do you not realize that "doh" is in the dictionary?
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...and third grade was hard.
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He knows that the Dark Knight will be this year's Little Miss Sunshine.
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with lead in it, or otherwise toxic industrial paint to be permanent and last for days..because he's that fucked up and serious about it, and in the end it ends up really fucking up his face after repeated use.
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Heath is the JOKER!! Looks awesome.
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...why don't we drop the feigned lack of interest routine and actually string together a sentence with real words? Cause you just sound like a pissy 13 year old girl when you use "meh".
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I showed my wife this picture and she immediately said to me that looks like Michael Keaton wearing the makeup. I have to agree!
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Heath Ledger does NOT look like the Joker. Nolan should have cast someone with a thin angular face like Christopher Eccleston or Adrian Brody. The Joker's nose is supposed to be pointy, not pudgy.
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Nov 27, 2007 7:54:32 PM CST
Jake Gyllenhall: "Why is the Joker looking at my ass like that?"
by mrmysteryguest
Cue "Brokeback Mountain" music!
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I like watching that movie.
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Jack Nicholson....but wait...he's already played the Joker, so what the hell am I talking about?
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Oh grow the fuck up please!!
And the rest of you to - "the real Joker blah blah blah.." THERE IS NO REAL JOKER - theres whichever interpretation you happen to like, doesn't mean the other interpretations are wrong. Oh, and Nicholson fucking ruled as the Joker - this Joker looks nothing like him, and I'm pissed off. See how that works? Difference is, I'm not actually pissed off about something so stupid as someone re-imagining the Joker for THEIR take on the universe. Oh, and the various comics suck ass just because they're comics, and as such poorly written though extremely well drawn. -
Nov 27, 2007 8:46:26 PM CST
lol it DOES look like a college freshman dressed up for Hallowee
by gibsonusa
lol after someone mentioned that and I looked again i lmao, its true! :)
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http://chuckiedreyfus.com/2007/08/18/leaked-dark-knight-photos/
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I hear the complaints and the praise and I... think I can see both arguments of it. But based on the folks that saw the Joker in action at that whatsitsname convention, they said its the acting and performance that is... well... batshit insane. This Joker is nuts. I just hope the entire package is good. I am already planning (hoping) to hear about a 3rd one with Bale and friends.
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This picture is as boring as Batman Begins and everything else Nolan is involved in. Wake me when people realize what a hack he is.
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The talkback on this site sucks. Seriously, I'm quitting. Whiny fanboys with no legitimate reasoning for their complaining. Nothing is ever positively recieved on this site. ever. I don't mind criticism but fuck whiners.
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And Nicholson is horrible in it, almost as bad as he was in The Departed. Besides About Schmidt, has Nicholson been good in anything in the last 20 years?
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A lot of us who can't stand Nolan's Joker *have* given legitimate reasoning for it on previous Talkbacks. I'll restate mine for you. I do not like the Joker's look here. I don't like the splotchy make-up instead of the bleached skin. I don't like the jagged, sewn-up mouth scars or the "pornstar after a shoot" lipstick job they've done over it. I don't like that he looks dirty and soiled, like someone just pulled him out of an asshole. To me (a lifelong Joker fan) this is *not* the Joker, and I can't support the film. As I said earlier, this is so bad that it sours me on the previous movie as well - it's *that* bad.
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dying to see this. or more apt to kill to see this...hmm...
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if you watch knight's tale, i've always thought that either Alan Tudyk or paul bettany would have the joker 'look'...bettany a tall lanky sort, and alan tudyk, with black green hair...would be a great animated series joker...i was all for crispin glover after charlie's angels and willard...i mean, his descent into breakdown throughout willard is pure killing joke... oh well. I'm still looking forward as hell to this flick.
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Nov 27, 2007 9:36:12 PM CST
This Joker is already more effective and scarier than any other
by performingmonkey
For a start, the fact that he paints his face, cuts it, lets it rot himself rather than falling in some chemicals instantly makes him much more of a fucked up human being, which is what he needs to be for the character to work here. The chemicals are always going to kill the reality, so it had to be done differently. We've already had the 'comedy' Joker on several occasions. The definitive comic book Joker is definitely in The Killing Joke and you can't tell me he isn't mentally screwed in that.
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This interpretation of the Joker is wrong.
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the joker was a guy..who's face get's bleached and hair goes green and suddenly, only then is that enough to drive him insane and figure, well, i guess i should go with the clown motif.
well, that sort of origin thinking works when you are a kid.here we have a guy who is already into his style, for whatever reason, and so into the clown thing that he is willing to mutilate himself to look the part.
when you argue that 'this isn't the joker'...well, then what joker do you want? the gangster with the white face from the early days? the ham who lived in warehouses with giant props and never killed anybody? the joker that went to the middle east to buy missles? i mean, c'mon- the characters evolve...all of them do. they are perpetually being torn down and rebuilt to suit the times. this will not be the definitive joker, but you have to see that in the comics lately, they were already heading into this territory. -
"Batman Begins" was OK but it almost seems like Nolan was so worried about not making a Joel Schumacher-type Batman film he let the pendulum swing way over in the other direction. I don't mind a "darker, more serious" Batman but Jeebus, have some fun with the characters once in a while. At the end of the day it's a comic book tale about a dude in a Batsuit who fights crime with gadgets. Don't take yourself too seriously.
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If 'Killing Joke' is the definitive version of the Joker (and I'd agree with you on that) then why deviate from that? In the 'Killing Joke' he was chemically scarred yet you're telling us that simply won't do - while at the same time explaining that the 'Killing Joke' is definitive.
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how is the clothing any different from what nicholson wore...that shit was even tackier. this has an air of tarnished class about it. A creepy, antique, retro feel..which is creepier because it is out of place in nolan's modern gotham.it's the remnants of a dead world. this joker doesn't go shopping in chain stores. he doesn't go to the tailor's...he hates society and thinks he is better than everyone else, hence the attempt at 'class', although mockingly.
Jack's joker barely changed personalities whether before or after the bleaching. he was still just jack being jack. here, we have a guy actually probably going to give us a performance of some sort....and whether you think this is THE JOKER or not, it is a batman story, and most likely the darkest, deepest one we'll ever see for a while.i'm really getting tired of saying this in any talkback about comic adaptations, but....IT WILL NEVER BE THE MOVIE IN YOUR HEAD. i urge you to come up with something and present it to warner bros. make your dream version of batman. i guarandamntee you it will have it's haters. This is nolan's take on the subject, not yours. never will be. from what i know of books and comics, everybody gets somethin' different from them. -
http://www.whysoserious.com/m ausoleum/ Superhero hype has the story on it, and the emails that people recieved with different months of the year, out of order. Codes for the safe maybe?
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i didn't know what the fuck to do with it- thanks BLEST
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When did he start? Does anyone remember seeing that guy?;^)
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Jeez, guy. It's not like BEGINS was SCHINDLER'S LIST. The stuff about getting the car and building the suit, Batman's interactions with Gordon, Alfred's pithy comments, the fun Bruce had playing the shallow playboy were small but healthy doses of comic relief and levity. Yeah the movie had plenty and plenty of dark and scary moments and treated the "mythology" as something worthy of intelligence and consideration, but there's room for that type of Batman movie. You have plenty of movies and a t.v. show that emphasizes how goofy and stupid Batman can be. Let's see some that are more interested with how dark and brutal his stories can be too. Something that evokes the spirit of stuff like YEAR ONE, DARK KNIGHT RETURNS, BLACK & WHITE, y'know... the source material that's generally considered to be the BEST stuff out of the 65 years worth of writing. Please? Can we? Naw, I'm just kidding. Keep complaining. That's the only way we'll ever get a movie that satisfies everybody's slightest whim and preference.
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Heath is gonna freakin ROCK.
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dude i have no clue. i will say i'm getting tired of the 'riddler' style puzzles. not the joker's M.O. at all.
here's the email:
If you've finished my quiz, then it's time for the next step in the interview process, something to test your aptitude. Spaces count:
* Eighth
* Sixth
* Eighth
* Ninth
* Ninth
* Second
* Fourth
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Khrono- News about everything.
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thanks batman-on-film.com!
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Whats inside?
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That email was the clue to find the site with the safe(whysoseriou/mausoleum).
Everything is broken down at the new wiki for the viral campaign
http://b atman.wikibruce.com/Home
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Nov 27, 2007 10:45:38 PM CST
I hope The Joker has a Hannibal Lecter-esque role in Part 3
by tivo1138
As in the third part of the trilogy, The Joker is now confined to a prison cell in Arkham Asylum and Batman is working with him reluctantly for information.
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and HO HO HOLY SHEEET you would have really had to do your research from those other sites to ever figure it out. it's all there in that wiki article.
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Thanks Nice Marmot for calmly writing something that makes sense and it’s refreshing to hear another person’s point of view, it’s a rare thing nowadays.
All I’m saying is the look of this Joker and the direction they are taking it isn’t my cup of tea.
From the look of the amped up Batsuit to the new Joker it just smacks of kids Halloween costumes.
For the record when the Tim Burton version came out I hated it…I saw it 9 times in the theater but I hated it.
The only thing that worked in that film was Elfmans score.
It was all they had at the time so I tolerated the film but now there is zero reasoning for getting this wrong.
The Watchmen (movie) creators might be getting it right for a change, you already have the conceptual art so put it on the screen.
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call those numbers..i'm doing it now.
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with Crispin Glover? More specifically why do so many people feel he should be the Joker? I understand that Glover and the Joker are both skinny weirdos, but Glover has never seemed to be able to convey more than annoying/dismissable freak, instead of menacing freak.
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The Joker in the '89 Batman was a good portrayal of the character. There were plenty of well done Joker moments. From Joker promising to give free money away to the people of Gotham only to gas them and laugh as he watches them all die before his feet to him shooting his right hand man for the hell of it. I loved how sincerely upset and saddened Joker was when batman "took my balloons". Come to think of all the great Joker moments in that movie, what exactly about the portrayal wasn't like the Joker? I can't think of any moments that go outside of Joker's motivations.
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The Batman/Joker relationship is awfully close to Graham and Lecter's; I suspect Nolan will capitalize on this. Can you imagine the interplay between the two, what with Dent's tragedy still fresh? Hell, I venture that the second last scene of Batman 3 will take place in Mr. J's cell, wherein our hero makes his moral triumph known to the clown.
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More great joker moments- Joker Burning his girlfriends face to make her a living piece of art. "MIRROR!" When Joker finds out his face is bleached beyond recognition, he laughs about it. The monologue he has with a toasted corpse. Just him and the smoking burnt corpse as he talks to it like its listening to him. When he's hanging for his life by his fingers on top of the cathedral, he can't help but laugh at how dramatic his situation is. I honestly don't see what ISN'T right about this joker. You guys don't really have a problem with him, do you?
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Micturatingbenjamin I have to admit I was impressed with your use of the word egg cream.
This joker would be too busy listening to My Chemical Romance to shoot anyone in the face.
You are right I had no idea that the Batman comic has moved on since 1939. Why should they pay attention to what’s been written in the past at all?
Hey why not make him some tall guy that stopped off at Hot Topic and got some crappy spray on faux punk rock hair color and some Woochie face paint…oh wait they are doing that.
Look if you’re going to make a movie about one of the biggest comic icons in history and you want to say comics are great literature (and not “the funny papers”) up there with Shakespeare then don’t mess with the source material.
That I dislike the look of this guy isn’t the real problem, that I have to see it magnified tenfold at comic cons by every idiot with access to their mothers make up drawer is what chaps my hide.
Movie viewers nowadays are just like the scene in A Christmas Story where Ralphie is told on Santa’s lap he would like a nice football and he shakes his head in a agreement…”yes football”.
Well I don’t want a freakin football!
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i wonder if they should have waited until march or april if at all. too much saturation already. the viral stuff is fun but it gets tired after a while. even if the film is great people will feel let down because of all the build up.
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Nobody's dissing on Batman 89. (well, a few are but I'm not.)I loved it when I was a kid, and I'll still give it look if it's on now. But Nolan has made a better Batman. And from what I see so far, he's made a better Joker. What do I mean by better? I can't exactly say, other than the dangerous, more realistic approach appeals to me.
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and I love it when idiots like JJonz say they want a Cloth batman complete with Trunks which is fucking retarded.
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how does it feel to punch walls Superboy-Prime. Fucking loser. Fat cunt.
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kill yourself
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Killing Joke is the deifnitive joker in his characterization, not origin. It's a silly origin, like most DC characters. Joker - Fall into a pit of chemicals and go insane.....shit. Luthor - pre crisis, lose my hair and become evil. Post crisis - superman upstaged me so i will kill lots of people. Eat shit fanboy.
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Amen, Killing Joke is a beautiful, beautiful thing. Bolland's art is gorgeous and the ending with Bat's and the Joker was sweet.
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..he says Joker will die
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Yet another story half the internet beat you to. Well done indeed.
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alan moore is a hack, bolland aint that great, and the ending was dumb.
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your interpretation of you is wrong.
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was in the game.. you could beat the tar outta him.
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...because of the deviation from the comics then you should pretty much hate most of the movie representations. Jack's joker was over egged and too, well, fat. The Penguin was pathetic. And every character in the last two films were progressively so hammy and overdone that it killed the franchise stone dead. Drop to your knees and thank Nolan for giving us his vision of Batman.
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The man who created D.R. and Quinch is a hack - bwaaahhaahahahahaahahahahaah!!!!!!!!!!!!! While I'm gabbing, the Brokeback Joker doesn't look too bad, Ledger has acting chops, god knows Nolan aint no f*ckwit - at the very least it'll be an interesting addition to the Batman canon (still a big fan of Cesar Romero though).
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What did you expect in this incarnation. Look, everyone is entitled to their opinion...
but...
Nolan created a 'near real world' feel with Begins and is clearly sticking to it.
We had equipment come from a military background and a batmobile that was believable and a serious take on Batman character coupled with realistic villians
Do you think for a moment its likely that suddenly Nolan's going to accept characters with totally implausible looks or the ability to come out of dips in toxic vats with white skin and green hair?
For this Batman you either 'get real' or give it a pass (or complain!). The only Joker I ever imagined was one who's state of mind informs his look, who's look could be achievable in a 'near real world' way and who was frightening.
This looks to me likes a madman who choses to dress a cetain way and who(based on comments from Caine) ends up truly twisted and lost within a persona that began as a creation and ends up as reality.
To me that's interesting. While some Joker incarnations in the comics are great I would honestly struggle to accept them in a film.
With Buton's Batman Joker worked for a while as the context enabled you to accept the toxic vat stuff and the initial in the shadows menace held up.
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Sorry, I'm not feeling it, although it may work very well in context of the film. Put me in the "more dapper" camp; I like the effort the Joker put into looking his best despite it all.
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But when I read "Where's the fun?" above, I was reminded of the line from Face/Off, and then I thought of Nick Cage in that movie and what a good Joker he would have made.
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Works for me.
Batman 89 was great at the time, but hasn't aged well. The only way I could use to describe B89 is 'proto-emo'; it's all a bit too angsty and existential and gothic romance for me - great when you're 17, but not when you're 35.
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c1/Hr1-chatterer.jpg/800px-Hr1-chatterer.jpg
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Moan moan moan. That's all you people ever do. This is the first time posting on here but all of the ridiculous rabid fanboy criticism made me compelled to post something.
"It's not like the comic" - no shit Sherlock, like it matters.
It really, really annoys me how so many of you haven't even seen the movie, and yet you're ready to have a go at Heath Ledger, constantly referencing his appearance in Brokeback Mountain as a negative thing. "lol he played a gay lol rofl!2!!1 He's Gay Joker hyuk hyuk!!1!!one" Get out from under your little inbred rocks.
This is what people do, they take the idea and put their own spin on it. If you want the comic, read the damn comic. I don't understand people who want a carbon copy of the comic.
Also, why can't Ledger compliment Nicholsons Joker. Why must he be constantly be comparred all the time? Why must there be a definitive Joker? The only definitive Joker, or Batman or whatever, is in the eye of the beholder. It depends on the comics you read, and as we know Batman comics are as old as the hills, done by many people, different times, different attitudes. My version of what Batman/Joker etc is is different. Some people expect Harley, some don't. It's open for interpretation and this is exactly what these films are, an interpretation. Each interpretation slightly different to the last. Nolan does it his way, just as Burton did it his, and Schumacher did it his way. I know the ones which I prefer, and the ones I dislike, but I understand that my interpretation isn't ever going to come to fruition unless I make the movies myself. Big deal. I like seeing how other people have interpreted these characters, I may even learn something or see them differently in a way I hadn't seen before.
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Nov 28, 2007 7:17:26 AM CST
Paint on Joker = Flames On Optimus
by guy who got a headache and accidentally
What the hell else is he supposed to look like you fucking cry babies, fuck you and your sense of self-entitlement.
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Is this Joker going to eat chocolate pudding?
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someone you want to punch, not run from
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pork Tim Kring in his sleep so I can see a picture of a crab/octopus/fish/jellyfish crossbreed which is a social comment on the exploitation of fossil fuels by fictional Japanese conglomerates, to which it will be greeted by a chorus of "it's a lion! a fucking lion!"/"cthulhu"/"J.J. Abrams raped my Lovecraftian childhood".
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hack.
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should be a serial killer who freezes his victims in water baths while they are alive. I would have him dispatched in a low-key fight at his apartment towards the end of the second act. I suppose Two-Face would have to destroy vital evidence which could have helped Gordon and Batman find Freeze before his last kill: Lucius Fox. Then I would have Bruce 'n' Harv drink Slusho until they turn into the size of skyscrapers and have a battle royale to end all battle royales; "This town ain't big enough for the both of us, Harv"/"Come get me, you rotten giant bat!". Warner Brothers, if you use this treatment credit story to Harold Pinter.
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it sorta is the best of both worlds,there was a rumour that the koker may have been seriously affected by the fear gas..
and when i saw the water purification photo on hahahatimes, with 'germs' in the water drawnin, with "i survived" being circled from a news item above the ad, and the red circle having a line pointing to the water,I figured it was true, the joker is affected by chemicals, but not a vat of n20 and peroxide. -
hear hear!!
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not just the koker.
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hear hear!!
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nic cage would make a far better creeper,remember cage looking in the mirror and smiling at himself? or saying that hes not 'him' - but 'HIM'.. and you hear travolta?what if he saw a half naked, jaundiced version of himself in the mirror?
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I was also kind of lukewarm on Heath as the Joker. This pic and some of the soundbites I've heard ("Starting tonight..") have started to convince me that he will nail this role.
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That, my friends, is what happens when tasteful realism is applied to the Batman universe. There aren't many comicbooks that translate well onto the big screen, but this one does. I'm not exactly sold on the clown pose he's in, but hey whatever. I can totally see him doing all of the horrible, terrible things he does in the comics. Let's just hope he makes it to movie three this time and isn't offed in his first encounter.
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Mr. Freeze, Riddler, Clock King, Clayface, etc. Realism is going to sell this thing. And in the next film, I hope Batman actually gets to capture some actual American street thugs, like an inner-city gang leader or someone. BTW, why is it that none of his villains are ever African American?
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the way I reckon the Dark Knight should go (it wont, but hopefully it will be something better)...(inhale)so the Joker is this fear gas affected nutjob, who is doing the rounds with bank robberies and murder-he's got the same motif as Batman where he dresses like a clown cos they scare him, and he thinks dressing like an exceptionally nuts one will scare the crap out of people-while at the same time Bats and new friend Harvey Dent are being a real pain in Maroni's ass. So Maroni sends out for the Joker to take the two down-which he does, targeting Batman on the streets and Dent by getting closer to home by murdering Dents new love interest Rachel Dawes(leaving a trademark smile etched on her face)-however that also majorly pisses off Bats, Dent AND Maroni (just because the Jokers methods are causing so much chaos in Gotham)and so Batman eventually captures him and beats the shit out of him in an interrogation room, to Gordons dismay. Eventually Maroni has Mr. J broken out and accosts him for screwing up so badly, to which Joker casually murders Maroni and starts taking over mob activities. Meanwwhile Dent is in the midst of a stress induced break down, while Batman begins questioning his own methods on what is right and wrong-thats when the Joker decides to that bank robbery majigger we've heard aboot-sending the mob after Batman while he sets about throwing Gotham into project Mayhem styled anarchy (the other Batmen playing a part there). So by the films end Batman has managed to foil most of the Jokers schemes and has chased him across the city to a bomb rigged chemical plant. While in there the incredbly intelligent Joker has managed to get most of Bats armour off (not the mask, cos frankly he doesnt care who he really is, he's more intent on destroying the symbol) and is beating him up pretty badly. Then Dent arrives (having been following the progress of the chase on the tv and police radios) intent on flat out killing The Joker. He keeps threatening him with a gun, and Batman trys to talk him down (big speech about true justice etc), but while he does that the bombs start to go off and Joker gets away. Dent and Bats try to flee but as the chemicals and flames fly everywhere Dent gets horribly burnt on one side of his face. Batman is torn between rescuing his injured but still alive friend, or chasing down the Joker. He leaves and unconcious Dent outside (police ambulances on the way naturally) and goes back in for mr. J. He finds him near the chemical dumping tubes, leading out to the Gotham river. They fight and eventually due to the building being on fire Batman tells the Joker that the only way out is with him. Joker thinks "fuck it" and throws himself into the chemical reservoir leading out into the river. Batman escapes just in time. He and Gordon look on at the plant being put out, as they discuss the nigths events-Harveys in a stable condition in hospital but needs major surgery. Gordon reckons the Joker is definatly dead-Batman isnt so sure. Meanwhile we see Joker arrive back at his hideout, his remaining minions treating him. He looks in the mirror to see a horribly bleached/ burnt face and cant help but notice the irony of looking like a clown permanently-cue hysterical laughter. In the hospital Dent wakes up-hes pissed at Bats for not letting him kill the Joker, pissed he left him for dead (in his mind anyway) and then he sees his face- He throws the mirror at the wall, and cue credits!
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Anyone see Quick Change with Bill Murry and Geena Davis and Geena Davis's breasts? One of the most underrated movies from the late 80's imho. That had a clown bank robber thing in it too. I'll die laughing if Heath Joker comments about how a watch has a moon on it. I say a news segment about some new skin bleaching cream that many black/brown people are using to look "whiter". I'm pretty sure Michal Jackson knows what I'm talkin about. ANyway, it was on the news because it is all toxic and stuff. Perhaps joker got his hands on some of that, thought it was makeup. So then the movie starts out as him putting on the clown makeup, but throughout the movie, his skin gets whiter and whiter. Pretty soon he can't dance or jump higher than a phone book, and his skin it the Joker white we all know and love. Eh? What say you, good Marcellus?
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to be seen in motion to be judged, only then can we judge the look of joker. Although, I wasn't a big fan of begins, didn't hate it, however, I did thing the action was poor. Batman Returns is still the best Batman to date.
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starts with Dent breaking out of hospital into the sewers...Batman is busy taking down "minor" crooks who have started becoming more flamboyant to capitalise on the Jokers impact-so you have slight freaks versus the mob story. The mob itself is in shambles and leaderless gang warfare is all over the city. Thats when we see that some are getting killed off, while the newly emerged Harvey Dent aka Two Face has come to them with the need for muscle-he's taking Gotham to his new sense of justice (the coin flip). He's got a personal vendetta agaisnt Batman, the mob and the Joker. Mr. J is also quite pissed at Batman for screwing up his plans and forcing him to escape into a vat of chemicals, which has turned him a really intensely freaky, scary guy. He's started to up his ante and is slowly rebuilding everything, employing the minor freaks to help him out. Batman starts his hunt for Dent, tries to keep and eye on the mob and now is slowly getting harassed by the Joker (mocking random acts of anarchy ,worse than those that came before,springing up with personal notes left for Batman). Meanwhile Bruce Wayne has caught the eye of a new socialite, Selina Kyle and they develop a love story. So Two Face is taking over the mob, Joker has an army of freaks to help him. The operations Joker are planning are so big he has certain people to help him-the most prominent being Edward Nashton (played by Sean Maher), a recently laid off games designer with a penchant for puzzles, who calls himself Edward Nygma. He starts co-planning Jokers minor city wide pranks which are notable as they really focus on riddles and intellectual ability. Eventually Two Face tracks down the Joker and offers him the chance to combine forces to destroy Batman and take over Gotham together. Mr. J accepts, all the while Batman is closing in. He tracks down Nygma and fiercely beats him for the Jokers whereabouts, which leaves Nygma with a severely pissed off atitude toward Batman. He manages to evade police capturing him, but the experience has left him driven now to set off after everyone who has oppressed him, Batman and his former boss, Lucius Fox. The final confrontation is distinctively Dark Victory-esque, as the extremely stressed Batman (questioning his own sanity)fights the Joker, having targeted him as his main priority. Dent steps in to intervene and Batman and Two Face finally face off. Two face, having killed off most of his enemies viciously through the film is no longer Harvey Dent and Bats finally realises he cant save his friend. Of course during the big moment Joker steps back in, shooting Dent , with a "Jesus when will this guy learn you cant trust me" kind of swagger,and sending him tumbling to his "death". Batman and the Joker have a big final fight, the two now established as complete mortal enemies and fianlly Batman beats him into submission, and sends him to Arkham. Once again he and Gordon lament over events,and sadly acknowledge to death of a friend toward their cause...and the fate of the Joker. Batman goes to visit him in Arkham, and the two establish a Will Graham/Hannibal Lector style relationship. In the final scenes we see Dent is actually alive, Edward Nygma has begun his harrasment of Gotham under a new guise-the Riddler, and Bruce begisn to admit he has feelings for Selena Kyle.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBENAx50yt0
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Not the only brazillian in AICN
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He's got the shoes on the wrong feet. Genius touch from an actor who is going to own this part come July!
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I'll never work you wankers out.
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...been mentioned yet, since I have the FUCKING WHITE SCREEN OF DEATH, but in that pic he looks like one of the Chiodo Bros' Killer Klowns - not that that's a bad thing.
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The fact is, ideally we wouldnt see any stills, or anything of him until in the actual film. We would be shocked, awed, and made to feel like the fanboys we are, in short, we would be very happy. However, seeing him in this static, motionless medium is a little anticlimatic, and even though he looks fantastic, its not his best introduction.
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Hell yeah he does. I fuckin love that terrible flick, and I could totally see Ledgers Fucked up clown in that mix.
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I'd prefer a Sequel to the Citizen Kane of clown movies SHAKES THE CLOWN. "As soon as this shows over, he's gonna fuck that little dog."
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Batman? Gritty, maybe. But realistic? Guys, he wears a cape and has pointy things on his head. Unless he's the emperor of Rome, I don't think "realistic" is the word you're looking for.
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And that's why he smiling. Those socks have to go. And can't we get away from the purple and green look for the Joker? I don't read the comics anymore--does Joker really look that way in the 90s-00s? Leave the makeup the way it is and put him in a Hans Gruber armani suit if you want me to take him seriously.
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Before we can really say if he's up to snuff. All these static shots don't prove shit.
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Whats that film about - I'm not there...
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i agree w 'i am batman', bb was average and mostly lackluster, cept for fear gas trippage, but viewing nolan's excellent 'the prestige' gives me hope for tdk. it was a much better film than bb, and i hope he carries that success over...
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I like it.
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I am Batman Nov 28th, 2007
01:20:01 PM
''Something so pedestrian can cause so much glee. BEGINS was boring, forgettable, poorly-filmed AVERAGENESS.''
You are right, sir.
Batman Begins was boring. I prefer Burton's work. It was niteresting to look at. Nolan isn't one for visuals. His Batsuit and villains were the worse designed of the entire series.
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you're thinking from this world, but put yourself in a world where superhero comics don't exist and a guy dresses as a bat and fights crime and is good at it, that is realistic. who says a dude wouldn't do that?
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kill yourself, stop annoying people with you being alive.
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Saw it more than once? If you have only seen it once then shut the fuck up because the second time you see the greatness.
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you know fuck all about anything. burtons movies are incredibly dated. Begins looked like a detective comics arc. if you didn't like it, too bad because that's fucking batman.
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http://www.empireonline.com/heiscoming/
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I mean that they realistic explanations to absurdities (i.e., why he dresses up like a bat, how he gets his toys, etc.), and avoid situations that could never happen in a real-world environment (people who wear tights, villains who have obsessions with clowns and coincidentally fall into vats of chemicals that turn them into clowns).
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It is a very hard character to do and I sure and hell wouldn't want to do it. Loved Romero and Nicholson in the part. Cannot wait for Ledger to strut his stuff onscreen. Looking forward to the movie. I think we are in for a good time.
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unlike the other where it looked like they threw the camera in a wash machine with batman's clothes.
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Right..........exactly the same situation.
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You hit a nail "ON" its head.It may be time to update your book of English colloquialisms.
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Look, each movie has its ups and downs and there's nothing wrong with disliking or liking any Batman movie. I loved Batman Begins, but I can admit its flaws. I didn't like how the fight scenes were shot, I thought it'd be cooler if Batman had to get by without a Batmobile and realized from experience that one was necessary, and I thought adding Rachel Dawes was contrived. Also, I think it would have been cool if Batman had a cloth getup without armor. Because it'd be cool to see him vulnerable. Because he actually does get stabbed and shot at in the comics and Alfred has to stitch him and bandage him to the point he looks like a war soldier from the trenches (which he sort of is, I guess). And for what it's worth, the Burton movie was more flawed than Nolan's, but it did a few things right and it is an enjoyable take on Batman all the same. You can tell because the movie has fans, therefore, it is enjoyable.
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I understand all of that, but it seems like a cop-out to me. With special effects, choreography, and every other technique available, the fight scenes could have been done in a different way and, in my opinion, been more effective.
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Yeah Joker has had various incarnations...but I think we all get pretty much the same general comic book image when the name "Joker" is mentioned...and he doesnt look it....find a skinny guy with a face like Jokers and makeup becomes less of a factor or complaint-worthy.
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So, the lack of continuity of having a different actress play the same role isn't going to affect anything? They tried that in the third Matrix movie and it didn't fly then. It might have worked if Katie's replacement looked somewhat like her, but she won't, in spite of Maggie being the better actress.
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So, because I have issues with the fight scenes in "Batman Begins", I'm a geek? Fine. Does that make me flawed for some reason? Remember, there's no absolute rule and Nolan isn't perfect. He did the best take on Batman thus far, but it's not the perfect work of art so many make it out to be. That said, it's still a great movie; I saw it three times in the theaters. But I don't have such a hard-on that I can't believe it could have been better in certain instances.
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Don't forget that the Joker is supposedly going to be in part 3 as well. Would we really see him in a cell without any kind of makeup? I find that hard to believe. That picture looks great, especially on the side of his face that has a slight smile. Batman Begins is one of the most rewatchable movies, in my opinion. Batman 89 does not hold up at all, except for the scenes with Batman. The talkbacks are ALWAYS like this for promo shots. Remember guys, we are only seeing what they want us to see. Bring on the trailer!
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Holy shit the Joker says fuck! I too questioned the validity of this audio file but got it straight from the whysoerious.com website. Looking through the whysoserious website. Usually when you click the pic after "Only sensible way to live in this world is without rules." I expected to hear "Tonight your gonna break your one rule." But heard "You could fuck a diaper in this nonsense." Instead. I had to do a double back. I decided to record what I heard with Camtasia and sure enough the site changed it back. Keep in mind PG-13 allows one F word and it makes sense to give it to Joker.
Youtube wont lemme upload says failed so i uploaded to my website
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http://www.tg3h.com/episodes/jokersaysfuck.wav
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Big Fish and Corpse Bride were excellent. Planet of the Apes was okay.
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Nolan was able to effectively balance Scarecrow, Falcone, and Ra's Al-Ghoul. I have high hopes that he can balance Joker, Maroni, a possible Scarecrow return, and the introduction of Two-Face.
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http://assets.whysoserious.com/audio/onerule.mp3
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http://assets.whysoserious.com /audio/diaper.mp3
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http://www.flektor.com/webflek/view/_1196301266_109976_1492_0_1_001
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I really shouldn't since I think common sense will prevail but I'm not sold on this dirty ass club kid look that the Joker has. Of course seeing him in action could change my mind but I'm a little hesitant on this one.
http://tinyurl.com/27yr6q
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Nov 28, 2007 9:38:35 PM CST
Mystery Men II: Isn't Invisible Boy in a Wheelchair??
by dr. allison cameron
But seriously.
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Alright, that’s it!
I’m tired of people saying that the Batman Begins universe is rooted in reality when you have men sword fighting on glaciers, a guy in a rubber bat suit, a rocket propelled car (hummer thing) that drives on rooftops, a guy in a rubber bat suit, a man that walks miles and I mean miles across frozen tundra, memory cloth that allows the hero to sprout hang glider type wings, a guy in a rubber bat suit, A massive make believe city that has a monorail going through it 20 stories high, Katie Holmes as a district attorney, a guy that shoots hallucinogenic gas in people’s faces, (although I’ve seen people in Walmart do it before) and my personal favorite a guy in a rubber bat suit.
Yea Nolan did a good job with the material that he has access to and it skates around a more realistic universe than its predecessors did but it’s not like turning on the news and seeing it all play out for real (well as real as the news will allow) the way people are touting.
So stop saying it’s based in reality because it’s taken from comic book reality which is where The Joker comes from so he shouldn’t look like any actor he should look like the fucking Joker.
Oh yea, see you guys there opening day.
Much love,
Frankenbastard
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Jesus, would it kill you to brush every once and awhile?
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He looked so detatched and vacant. I thought a drastic interpretation was being created. I know Nolan will make a gret film, but I would've loved to see a character that was built around the mood of that first pic. No smiles. Long vacant stares. A mix of the deeply twisted and the uncomprehending.
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Now all we need is ninja mazes and microwaves that do absolutely nothing to the bags of water standing next to them to make this as fucking stoopid as the first one!! FUCK YEAH!!!
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give up- I've told him repeatedly to stop using colloquilisms as it reduces his borderline English to gibberish, but he just doesn't listen. He's like a retarded kid that won't stop rubbing shit in his own hair.
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the joker is nuts.
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You're pitching your two cents about a Batman film before it's even out on AICN, and you're NOT a geek? Lol! I think Nolan was brave in trying to come up with a new(ish)way of shooting fight scenes, something a bit less 'Wow' and a bit more nightmarish, whoozy and delirious - but it didn't work. As seen in Equilibrium, Bale is fully capapble of pulling off some killer choregraphed interpersonal obliteration, so let's see it. The last movie was great, but but people didn't pay their money to see Law and Order. Nolan had a Formula 1 Ferrari to work with and used it to deliver papers.
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I thought it was a good movie when i first saw it, the second time I saw it I was blown away. Then I saw what a brilliant movie it really was.
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oh come on lets be honest-at what point in batman did you see a guy in a ruber bat suit? Your just plain lieing.
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what did you want the joker to look like? i mean, its going to be a movie about a fucking homicidal clown vs. a guy in a batsuit. it's retarded, but also one of the coolest superhero mythos ever. ledger will silence all naysayers. you are a gay homosexual, your mother is a whore, and i hate you.
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GIVE IT UP!!! We had the 'comic' Joker, and it didn't work. Nicholson was camp, stupidly kitschy and not one iota scary. You've been told by people in this TB that the pic is clearly taken from the police station where Joker gets slapped about so the make-up isn't going to be perfect, and boo hoo, you didn't get the exact hair, the exact suit to the exact measurements. Stop being such a stupid fanboy prick and accept these films will NEVER, EVER be exactly like the comics. Because a film isn't a bloody comic. They're two distinct mediums, and if you can't see that or if you're being nothing more than an annoying little troll then I pity you.
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Let's wait and see, I hear Gary Oldman was raving about Heath's 'fearless performance'. As Gary can seriously act I'd say that's the best reason we have to be optimistic. It's a brave choice anyway you slice it.
I hated the old Batflicks, every single one of them. Folks talk like they where so dark and moody - bullshit. David Fincher does dark and moody not Tim 'the cocaine clown' Burton. His directorial style feels like the work of a pathetic manic depressive teenager who's dad fucked of to the circus to get away from his adolescent whining. I swear if I see one more of his damn annoying (not to say repetitious) candy spirals I'll go fucking postal.
Jack was way to fat as the joker, and that glued on smile looked dumb. Michael Keaton as the dark knight WTF!? Who okayed that? Danny Elfman has only written one score in his life, he just puts a different title at the top of the page. As for Joel Schumacher's neon rubberfest, childish brain-dead crap.
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I'm sure Ledger will come through though.
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to clean out all the arseholes ehehehehe.....
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Hoo Hoo Ha HA!
Dr Sauch thanks for at least having an opinion and for making me almost spit my morning coffee out, too funny.
Gay homosexual is kind of redundant thought but then again so are my post and my mom would have to be a zombie whore ™ but that’s only after her ashes reassembled in an I don’t know, some sort of zombie whore ash molecular reassembly thingy machine.
Now DannyOcean01, look kid and I am almost sure I’m old enough to call you kid, when I was a preteen watching the 76 King Kong I knew when the beast showed up that I wasn’t seeing King Kong. It had nothing to do with the fact that I wasn’t seeing what “I” wanted to see it’s that I wasn’t seeing what it was supposed to be on the screen.
My whole talkback here isn’t about what “I” want to see it’s about the way things are supposed to be and that people settle for what’s handed to them. Make Hollywood work for our money, you know… do a little research.
Years ago I was sitting in an office at Universal ( the black tower building kiddies) waiting for my meeting to begin. This guys office was fantastic, full of really great memorabilia he had a huge poster for Madman on his wall when he showed up we made small talk and I commented on the giant Madman poster, he said “yea we just got a script for that I think but I don’t know anything about the cartoon” and I thought hmm you don’t know what it is but you have a giant poster of it on your wall?
My friend that is how the moving picture business works, they don’t give a shit because they know you don’t give a shit.
It’s real easy, you go to someone like Rick Baker ask him if he’s available for the show and if he isn’t, maybe one of
his staff could create a believable makeup and bingo you have the Joker.
I have no doubt Heath is going to do an awesome job and Nolan has brought the best interpretation of this character to the digital screen. Although the horns and high water trunks are kind of fun on the old serial Batman.
Yea, I see that the picture is in some sort of “facility” I don’t need a talk backer with a hard on to tell me that over and over but a retard could tell you this is a publicity picture taken totally out of context with the film and even possibly after they’ve wrapped the scene. You see, (since you seem new to the whole thing) they take these publicity photos to hand out to various publications, toy companies, websites, in an effort to get everyone on board and amped up about their upcoming product (that would be film). They stage the actors in all sorts of wacky poses so we can set them as desk tops or marvel at how good or bad they look.
When did we have the comic book Joker? All I remember was Jack Nicholson acting like Jack Nicholson.
I remember watching the Burton Batman and thinking why isn’t the guy in the flashback shooting sequence the Joker?
Someone mentioned Fincher, man I’d love to see the guy make a Batman film.
Last but not least, how dare someone point the Fanboy finger at me.
Look man if you post on this site or even take the time to stop and read something on this site you are a “Fanboy”. I spend my time watching all manner of movie making and not just Sci Fi fantasy tripe, so please.
Welcome to the fold brother.
People aren’t afraid of opinions just the ones that pan out.
PS: I just asked my 5 year old daughter if she thought that guy with the green hair on AICN looked like the Joker, she made a stink face and said “no”, closed the browser, pointed to a picture I have of The Man Who Laughs and said “Daddy, that’s the Joker”.
Kids are so perceptive.
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Ahh that’s an easy one. You see Tim reluctantly accepted the Apes project in return for making a few films of his choosing.
Namely Big Fish, Charlie and Sweeny Todd
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Whysoserious.com updated with a vault. They even have this mp3 if you use firebug to find it but (they must have took it down or wanted to test it then reveal it) so I put it in this video with the "One rule."
http://www.tg3h.com/episodes/jokeronerule.wmv
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This is such a stupid flaw. Just fucking update your shitty design like digg.com's talkback and fucking allow url linking honestly its 2007 for heavens sake.
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Ouch, interesting, I didn't know that. I still love the old flicks. When I think how they could've ramped up the emotional and action impact with a new version, instead of that pile of Borton balls. The possibilities for plotting were endless, what with all we now know about the genome , genetics etc, it could really have packed a punch. Russell Crowe wouldn't have made a bad successor to Heston, well let's face it anybody but Marky Mark!
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It was just another Tim Burton movie with Joker and Batman in it. People should stop comparing BB to Batman '89. Batman Begins was about Batman while Batman '89 was about Tim Burton and Jack Nicholson.
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and not to tip my hand but trust me Tim bitched through that entire Apes production.
But the part that hurt the most was when he was forced to tack on that ending, that horrible shitty ending.
In my opinion though the guy pre redeemed himself years ago with Ed Wood and Sleepy Hallow.
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from Wizard = http://tinyurl.com/33lmmu
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...seeing how Frankenbastard's 5-year old kid doesn't approve. :P
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LMAO! Thanks i deserved that.
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Blech. That's the worst image yet. And Wizard put it on their cover?? Wow.
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Loved Begins. Loving where this is going. Hope it turns out as good as it looks.
Recently, I've been reading alot more DC books, and realized that Batman is really almost completely out of place with the rest of the DCU. More or less all the other heavy hitters -- Supes, the Lanterns, Martian Manhunter, et al -- are all big deal super powerful superbeings. Whereas Batman is really just a regular human being in peak condition, a ninja, and a detective. The more I read of the DCU, the more I'm convinced that Batman should be written as if he is completely separate from the large DCU. Anyone else feel this? Just curious. -
I like that Wizard cover shot a lot. I watched "The Laughing Fish" last night from the animated series and the Joker is just perfect in it. This shot reminds me of that.
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it looks like his face is starting to deteriorate...possibly from the chemical spill?
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.. is the money shot, they aren't ready to to give that up quite yet.
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...as the film goes on. I believe he starts with a full white face, but as the film progresses, and the Joker sweats, fights, etc., the makeup starts to come off. You can see in some of the pics in this link (http://tinyurl.com/2rf3k2) that he does have the full white face at one point.
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I didn't exactly buy Christian Bale as a suitable Batman before I actually saw "Batman Begins", but he was pretty impressive. Everyone expects something different, but how about waiting to actually see the damn flick before judging it? Face it- even you haters will plunk down 10 bucks for admission when next summer comes along.
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Are those argyle?
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=0JKPNdcWsAk
Probably the most honest portrayal of what the Joker is, was, and always should be. -
I'm just very glad I have an open mind on this, and will almost certainly enjoy this film, just as much as I enjoyed Begins, Burtons two films and the incredible Bruce Timm Animated Series' and the hilarious Adam West adaptations.
I'll also slightly relish with Joker-like glee that half of you miserable narrow minded nay-sayers are going to be crying into your bucket of popcorn over the fact a "mere", "unworthy" "gay cowboy" and "pretty boy" is playing the Joker while you grasp desperately for your masculinity by masturbating over Poison Ivy pictures.
Hopefully one day you'll realise that these are adaptations and that YOUR version of what you deem as "definitive" probably won't happen, because nobody fucking agrees (and therin lies the beauty of it all).
For all those that believe Ledger is no more worthy than Nicholson or any of those cosplaying muppets on youtube; shove your "definitive" suggestions of The Joker up your own arse, I've never seen such an exhibition of such ridiculous self-entitlement.
"It should be this guy" "No it should be him" "It can't be this guy", "It should be more camp" It should be realistic" Please, do go hang yourselves. Who gives a f*ck?
Why the pessimism? Can't you people just hope instead of living oh so very successfully up to the typical angry-comic-nerd stereotype?
I hope it's a great film. I think it'll be great. I hope those that have an open mind and a sense of interpretation enjoy it too
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is the top story on SHH.com. I sent it in here, but have seen nothing of it.
An interesting pic, kinda goofy.
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I agree entirely. And to be honest, I have little doubt that this film will present the most faithful adaptation possible in a realistic setting.
Incidentally, I myself played the Joker once. When the first TDK publicity site came online, I was the one who quickly made a MySpace page with that same page title as my URL and set up a Joker page. For those of you who don't remember it, it was the one that featured the song "Mr. Sandman" in the background, a red smiley face for a photo, and daily blog entries that, honestly, I had to stop writing after only a few days because they were starting to affect my personality negatively when I had difficulty separting myself from the character himself. Having said that, I was amused when I later heard that Ledger was writing a Joker journal of his own to help him get into the part. However, I find myself concerned about his state of mind. I had to quit and remove the MySpace site after only about a week for the aforementioned reasons. I wonder how he's dealing with it, now after several months. -
I agree entirely. And to be honest, I have little doubt that this film will present the most faithful adaptation possible in a realistic setting.
Incidentally, I myself played the Joker once. When the first TDK publicity site came online, I was the one who quickly made a MySpace page with that same page title as my URL and set up a Joker page. For those of you who don't remember it, it was the one that featured the song "Mr. Sandman" in the background, a red smiley face for a photo, and daily blog entries that, honestly, I had to stop writing after only a few days because they were starting to affect my personality negatively when I had difficulty separting myself from the character himself. Having said that, I was amused when I later heard that Ledger was writing a Joker journal of his own to help him get into the part. However, I find myself concerned about his state of mind. I had to quit and remove the MySpace site after only about a week for the aforementioned reasons. I wonder how he's dealing with it, now after several months. -
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