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Scorsese's SHUTTER ISLAND moves forward!!!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. Of the seemingly 407 projects Martin Scorsese has on his plate, I've loved the sound of this one the most, so I'm glad SHUTTER ISLAND is the project with the most movement. As with most of the projects Scorsese is involved with, Leonardo DiCaprio is attached as one of the leads. The other lead role is looking to be filled by Mark Ruffalo who is in final final negotiations to join the project, according to Hollywood Reporter.
SHUTTER ISLAND is based on a book by Dennis Lehane (original author of MYSTIC RIVER) and is set in the '50s. Two US Marshals (DiCaprio and Ruffalo) go to an island near Boston to investigate the disappearance of a mental patient. While on the island a pretty fucked up mystery is uncovered just in time for a giant Hurricane to hit, inciting a riot in the mental institution and trapping everybody on the island. Sounds great, huh? I'm gonna pick up this book ASAP.
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We need more movies set on islands with people trapped in mental institutions.
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....is fine by me. Can't wait for this.
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mEH. Scorsese has no imagination. He keeps working with the new plank of wood DiCaprio since the old plank of wood,DeNiro is starting to get wood rot. It will be a snoozathon.
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Should make this another must see.Im especially glad Ruffalo's in this,he's turning into a great actor working with the best directors.
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boring.
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please make Mean Streets part 2.
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I've been following this project and (as always with Scorsese) was excited for it. However, seeing that cover i've just realised i've read the book - about 18 months/2 years ago. I had not put the two things together in my mind before. Wow, i vaguely remember enjoying the book at the time but talk about forgettable. I'd completely forgotten it!
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This is a great book. If they stick to it and don't muck it up, Scorsese should do it right. It has a kicka** twist at the end.
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and Scorsese is loooonnnnngggg washed-up. He should do a Grindhouse double feature deal with George Lucas.
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Please! He is not the new De Niro. Compare their respective work with Scorsese, there's no competition. Even in their best collaboration, "The Departed", DiCaprio's performance was still overly mannered. Oh well, his work with DiCaprio is making him more money than ever before, so ironically enough, I guess he's doing the same as De Niro has recently, doing it for the money rather than the art.
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King of Comedy last night, thats a really good movie. Its interesting to see De Niro do stand up, I didn't think they were going to then they show his clip at the end. It was like Studio 60 with the build up of Are they going to show him do comedy are not except he was kind of funny not horrible like their skits. Scorsese makes solid efforts every time, I just don't like Mark Ruffolo he always seems bored and exasperated in what he does, every movie he is in its just the same thing. I am bored and tried or slightly pissed off. I perfer Lou Dimond Phillips to bad he is probably dead. Oh also I saw Scorsese's short movie awhile ago about a guy shaving that was werid, but funny.
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Sounds good to me
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Nov 27, 2007 8:45:19 AM CST
Also that should read Academy Award Winner Martin Scorsese
by ogreishere
Just saying the man finally did win one.
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...totally off-topic, but here ya go: http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j302/abcdefz7/joker.jpg?t=1196175167
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I have read all of Lehane's books and this is by far his weakest (Coronado comes in second).
Both movies adapted from his novels suck in comparison to the source material. Eastwood and Helgeland tried to hard to put every subplot in Mystic River that they lost sight of the brilliant story.
Affleck had no understanding of the Kenzie and Gennaro characters(for which his first 4 books were based.)Casey played the book's hard-boiled badass Patrick as a pansy who talks shit but can't back it up unless he has a pistol. Also, nothing has pissed me off more this year than the film's portrayal of Bubba Rogowski. If you saw "Gone," he wasn't just some dime bag g-dog coke dealer; he was a 6 foot tall, 300 pound hulking mass, who had no problem in killing and hated everyone on the planet except Kenzie and Gennaro. Also, Monaghan would've been well-cast had the role not been toned down to accompany Casey's whimpering little bitch boy. You can't have the woman be a badass if the man isn't, apparently. (Sorry for getting of the subject but i really hate it when a brilliant book is raped by a bad actor turning director to make a name for himself, and then has the audacity to cast his own damn brother. There was a reason Casey was cast as the coward in Jesse James. He was tailor-made for it.)
Anyway, when Shutter Island came out, there was a heavy influx of films and books with almost the exact same ending.
I REALLY want to give it away so you can see how terrible an idea this is for Scorsese, but it wouldn't be fair.
I'll say this to Quint and everyone who is about to pick up the book:
Once they get to the mental institution and you start predicting the ending, you'll say -
"Please, oh please don't let THAT be the resolution! I've seen this so many times before! This can't be it!"
Well, unfortunately it is.
Honestly, I don't know what Scorsese is doing. I would rather see Kundun 2.
I'm racking my brain, trying to figure out how this could work, but I got nothing. -
Especially considering hes a pretty good actor.
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Change the ending. Wrecked the book. Lehane is a great writer, but I hope he wakes up each morning and feels shame over the hacky-twist that this entire novel is apparently built around.
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Yeah I totally agree. Like I haven't seen all of Scorsese's work. Man I just checked IMBD and I haven't seen hardly anything he has done. He did the video for Bad though which is my second favorite song of all time, thats awesome. But I've seen Taxi Driver, Boxcar Bertha and the King of Comedy. And though Bertha was pretty bad, they all engrossed me and held my attention and were all very raw. I have tried to sit through Gangs of New York and Aviator and I can't? I think in this age of digital pictures and film I like Scorsese's style with the old grainy looking film, too much gloss. Especially Departed, that movie felt way to nice looking to really seem gritty, the whole look was too clean. Now this movie about an insane asylum has to look gritty and raw, it can't be like that Hallie Berry crapfest Gothika otherwise it feels to over produced. But I don't think Scorsese's will go back to using older cameras, though I think thats what a movie like this needs.
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I will agree with the other assessments of the ending of the book - it ruined a pretty interesting story. Really, I could see M. Night Shamalangadingdong doing this film because it has one of his "twist" endings, but I really can't see why Scorsese would be interested in this.
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starring Richard Pryor. You know you like that movie!
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Nov 27, 2007 10:56:13 AM CST
The problem with Scorsese's new films is not Leo D's acting
by spandau belly
It's the absence of Paul Schraeder's writing. These two guys need each other. Schraeder writes scripts that fit perfectly with Scorsese's style.The Departed didn't work because it was over Scorsesized, too much classic rock music, too frantic editing, it had Marty's jitteryness all over it. I actually think it would've been much better in Michael Mann's hands. Granted, it wasn't a perfect script either. I found a lot of the dialogue kinda corny and the lady psychiatrist character was kinda unnessecary. That character sorta made more sense in Infernal Affairs, but maybe she should've been lost in the translation.
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getting poor reviews for a Lehane book, also. This sounds like Cape Fear Marty, not classic Marty.
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i thought it was halfway amusing while reading it... then the twist completely ruined it for me.
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Couldn't disagree more on Gone Baby Gone. I'm a huge, huge fan of the Lehane books, and they still exist for me on a level distinct from the movie. But Affleck chose to start with #4 of the series, so he had to take some liberties that I was okay with. This is a different Kenzie/Gennaro, a couple we haven't had the opportunity to get to know through three stories. And while Bubba is my favorite character, too, this wasn't the story where he really shines. As a stand-alone adaptation, I thought Affleck really hit one out of the park.
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Since the source material was so weak. My greatest impression from Shutter Island is that of an old, rejected novel dug up and spitshined a little to strike while the Mystic River iron was hot. Really not very good. I doubt this will ever move forward with Scorsese directing; Ratner, maybe.
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The lady cannot write. I don't care how awesomely Greek her name is. Her biggest credits to date are Pathfinder, Alexander... and Birds of Prey. I saw someone ostentatiously reading this script before a screening at the AFI Fest, which is neither here nor there - other than that I'm surprised that the script is already apparently prepped to shoot. We'll see. I love me some Marty Scorsese but even he can't elevate outright bad material.
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Plot reminds me of Crictical Condition, and Mindhunters.
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I can see why Affleck would want to direct Gone. It has an amazing theme that translates well to the screen. And as far as that goes, it works. But without the back story of Kenzie and Gennaro's tumultuous relationship, the ending, while keeping with the theme, lacked any amount of resonance. Who cares that she's leaving him? They never showed why they were together in the first place or why they stay together.
The scene with Cheese was the most aggravating! When Kenzie and Gennaro meet Cheese in the book, it was powerful. When Cheese insults Angie, Kenzie doesn't come to her aid, because she doesn't need it. She is a strong and willful woman who can take care of herself. As a character, the way she handles herself and lets her history of abuse mold her into a woman to be admired, was on great display in the book. But in the movie, Kenzie steps in and makes a bunch of threats that he cannot back up (how are the cops going to help him ruin Cheese's life, when all he does is piss police off by getting in their way?.)Not only did it paint Kenzie a coward, but also it tore apart all of the character work Lehane has spent the majority of his career, building.
I understand your point though. For a stand alone movie, you don't need the all the backstory the previous three books provide, but for me the story just wasn't interesting enough without the powerful character dynamics on display in the book.
Why not start with A Drink Before the War? The dual thematic element of sons afraid to become their fathers, is just as provoking as GBG, especially within the plotline of the book.
For me the main irritation is that we will probably never see a real faithful Kenzie/Gennaro adaptation. Sure, they could cast Casey and Monaghan in one of the previous three, but everything will have to re-written to accommodate Ben’s bastardization.
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I mean that would give the pic momentum and buzz. Ruffalo while solid, is not buzz worthy. And Leo is not SOLID BANK, he isn't. Gangs, Aviator did not blow the box office and frankly the Departed was underwhelming to Infernal Affairs, I bought that DVD back in like 2003 so no I ain't a poser. Stallone should have gotten the role
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i am VERY surprised by the overall negative reaction to the end of Shutter Island. I thought it was pretty damn smart and I can't wait to see what Marty and Leo do with this one. Three years ago I was working at a production company and they asked for a list of books that should be adapted into movies. I chose 5 books and this was at the top of the list. The twist, if Marty can make it work which I'm sure he will, is great. I'm not sure why he decided to make this a period piece but it could be very cool. This is instantly one of my most anticipated films and I love the casting of Ruffalo. He was so overlooked in Reservation Road. I never got the chance to review it but it was unfairly written off this year and Ruffalo was absolutely amazing. This is definitely one to watch, and atypical Scorsese material.
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I read the book shortly after i saw the terrible "Identity."
There were far too many similarities with the end. Though, I do agree with filegumbo. It was tight until the end. -
Perhaps he's making it a period piece because the actual book is a period piece?
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Yeah, I don't think the box office for GBG will allow another adaptation, unfortunately. Not sure "Drink" would have been the right start either, mainly because it would be a harder box office sell (racial themes, etc.). If I was Ben, I would have started with the very end of "Drink," with Angie leaving her husband, as the prologue to "Darkness" then went right to GBG. You're right about Casey, though -- I would never buy anything he did if they tried to bring us "Prayers for Rain" next. Overall, I was just impressed as hell that Ben pulled off the scene in the "house of horrors" with just the right level of restraint, and kept the ending intact. And, the books are still there, and I'd rather they get read than someone settle for an adaptation, no matter how good.
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Everything about it was telegraphed from a mile away and made the story derivative and cliche when it could have been so much more. I'm just going to assume you've never read the Kenzie/Gennaro books because there's no way SHUTTER ISLAND makes a list of 5 books to adapt when those 5 were yet to be adapted.
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With that scenario, Casey might have been more convincing with a messed up scar peering through his beard.
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and I went for it all the way. That being said, nearly all of his other books (the exceptions being Prayers for Rain and A Drink Before the War) are all superior to this work. I think the Kenzie/Gennaro series should be done as a huge HBO miniseries (Ellroy's Underground America series should also be done this way once the third book is finally published). Gone Baby Gone is done about as well as could be for a standalone film, but it lacks some of the amazing pulp moments (the shootout in the molester house is one of the greatest pieces of action writing ever) and the subtle growth of the relationship between the two leads (and Bubba's character is a fat wanna-be bitch in the movie instead of the awesome badass Lehane wrote him as). Regardless, Shutter Island will be a very good time, guaranteed. And is it just me or is Darkness, Take My Hand the greatest serial killer book of all time?
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And I'm not saying that as an insult, just as a statement of fact. So if you liked Crash, the twist for Shutter Island will probably go down smooth. I, on the other hand, disliked Shutter Island and thought Crash was terrible.
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I still love you. It's just that...things will never be the way they used to be. No, I'm not saying goodbye. Never. Do you understand? I will always want to watch your movies about hurricanes and insane asylums. It's just...it'll never be Travis Bickle. It'll never be Travis Bickle. And that's ok. That's...ok.
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Nov 27, 2007 6:49:36 PM CST
Darkness Take My Hand the greatest serial killer book of all tim
by i am_notreal
Could be, if you've never read a little work called "The Silence of the Lambs." Which "Darkness" borrows quite liberally from, in maybe the eye-rollingest way imaginable. I'm not knocking Lehane. "Mystic River" was a truly great novel, worthy of all the praise. "Gone Baby Gone" was a terrific suspense novel. But his work does have its ups and downs.
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since he has that gay guy in all his movies
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This is such great news! Now we have yet another film where we can watch in awe as Leonardo DiCaprio tries his best to look intense yet manages only at looking like he is trying to take a large crap.
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Nov 27, 2007 10:56:22 PM CST
Ahh, yes. The old "just as a hurricane is about to hit" device
by doc_mccoy
Maybe still sort of fresh when the book was written in the 50s, but, man, is that tired now.
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yeah, the book is a period piece but you could just as easily set it in present day
just saying, it might've been an easier sell if it were, and there's no real reason it couldn't be other than choosing to remain faithful to the novel, which is fine by me since I loved the novel. Interestingly enough, I read the book at the time I was heavily listening to Interpol's Antics, so whenever I think of the book, I hear that album, and the juxtasposition of a story set in the 50's or whatever set to modern music worked nicely for me, it helped create this atmosphere of dread in my mind... and NOTREAL, I'm not quite sure how me liking Crash helps Lehane's ending go down smooth. Maybe, just maybe, it went down smooth because it was well written and it made complete sense, but then again, I haven't read any of the Kenzie/Gennaro series so I guess I don't have much Lehane to compare Shutter Island to. I'm more of an Alex Cross/Lincoln Rhyme kind of guy. -
... you don't read much. If you do, it's nothing special. The device is a little stale, Mira. But I still liked it. Lehane can make a lot of stale things very fun to read. He's been doing it for years. Kind of like Spielberg.
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Except in establishing a baseline for one's taste. I could go further but I just don't see the need. Either you get the point or you don't.
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I'll buy those tickets right the fuck now.
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M-O-M just called Scorcese a hack. What's wrong with you, dickhead? In continuing my policy I hereby post his AvP TB crap that proves once and for all what a dirty little hypocrite he is, and how he has no right WHATSOEVER to lecture, berate or otherwise lambast anyone for their taste/ intelligence. The relevant post is at Oct 3rd, 2007 07:15:01 AM and the link is http://tinyurl.com/38dpqq. the tool
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is that he is totally out of touch with the likes and dislikes of Talkbackers. Are you still stoked over that SATC movie?
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because modern medicine and therapies would be used instead of the nonsense that was done in this book. The book was a let-down because the ending destroyed all the mystery of the lead up (it's like Dorthy waking up at the end of Wizard of Oz and discovering her adventure had all been a dream). The big problem is that (like the Sixth Sense) there will be no reason to revisit this film after watching it once. Well, maybe twice if you aren't smart enough to see the ending coming from a mile away. Personally I saw the ending coming about 20 pages in.
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C'mon, you can tell me. I don't read books.
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a little.
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I just cannot believe that you called Scorcese a hack- you are so wrong on so many levels. I don't give a fuck that you prefaced it with some bollocks about the film you wish he'd made. The fact of the matter is that you called Scorcese a studio hack, when he is about as far from hackitude as can be. On AvP follow the link and read what you wrote- your enthusiasm for that atrocity is unbound and you deserve a good kick up the arse every time you post something hypocritical.
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What were the other 4 on your list? Have they made any Koonz books into feature films or mini- series or made-for tv movies? I just read "intensity" (yeah, i don't read much) and thought it would be a good made-for-TNT-or-USA-mini-series. I think the guy who was "Dobber" on Coach should be Billy and they guy from inside the actors studio should be the freak.
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not intensity. I continue to be illiterate and dumb.
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