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Capone With Morgan Spurlock (SUPERSIZE ME And 30 DAYS)!!
Hey everyone. Capone in Chicago here.
Morgan Spurlock has always reminded me of the coolest sociology teacher you could ever have in high school or college. As cliché as it may sound, the man knows how to make learning fun. Whether he's teaching us about the horrors of fast food in SUPER SIZE ME or his countless lessons about tolerance, compassion, and walking in someone else's shoes with his undeniably entertaining FX series “30 Days,” Spurlock has done a remarkable job of getting many of us to look at things we feel strongly about in very different ways.
Spurlock acts as producer and, in many way, guiding light for the new film WHAT WOULD JESUS BUY?, a whirlwind profile of Reverend Billy and his fellow anti-consumerism band of followers/activists/performance artists, directed by Rob VanAlkemade. Since much of Rev. Billy's message targets retailers', who he believed have hijacked Christmas and turned it into an excuse to get many people to spend money on things they don't need or can't afford, the timing of this film's release couldn't be better.
In addition to putting the finishing touches on the third season of “30 Days,” Spurlock is also finalizing his apparently top secret, as-yet-untitled film on the hunt of Osama Bin Laden, which he hopes to have ready for next year's Sundance Film Festival.
I wasn't really doing many interviews for AICN when Spurlock came through Chicago to promote SUPER SIZE ME three years ago, but I got the chance to speak with him this time around, I wasn't about to let the opportunity slip through my fingers again.
Enjoy…
Capone: It occurred to me a week or two ago, when a few retain chains like al-Mart started up their holiday sales earlier than usual “Black Friday” day after Thanksgiving time frame. This film came to mind immediately. What do you think that move says?
Morgan Spurlock: I'm surprised some of them waited this long. Some places I see putting up decorations November 1. I take my Halloween costume off, I put it in the closet, I walk outside, and they're already telling me how many day until Christmas. I think it's crazy what's happening; it's getting earlier and earlier each year. We start hearing commercials, sales start, you name it, and it starts the stress a lot earlier for people. People start worrying, “What am I going to buy? How am I going to pay for it? What am I going to do? What's the perfect gift?” We drive ourselves crazy during the holidays, and I just think it shouldn't be like that.
Capone: People seem to tend to forget that aspect of the holidays. Of course, there's the financial burden, but they forget about the mental anguish that goes along with the holidays.
MS: Oh my gosh, yes. I have friends that have kids, and they're freaking out about what to get. And then there's the one gift that's the hot gift that year, that every kid wants, and you have to get that one thing or you're the worst parent ever. It is, it's a terrible a way to spend what should be a very relaxing and nice holiday just to hang out with your family and be together.
Capone: Toward the beginning of the film, we see a brief news report clips--and I'd forgotten this campaign, if you want to call it that, was used right after September 11—the “we must continue to shop, or the terrorists will have won” tactic. At the time, it didn't seem so crazy, but I see it today, and I wonder, “Who thought that one up?”
MS: That's crazy right. [laughs] If we don't go shopping, the terrorists will win. Wow, if it's that easy, where my credit card?!
Capone: Tomorrow in Chicago, there's a big parade down Michigan Avenue--they do it every year. It's sponsored by Disney and sort of begins the shopping frenzy down the Magnificent Mile, the shopping mecca of Chicago. All the stores stay open late that day, so people can leave the parade and go right into shopping. I'm curious why Disney was a focal point of the film and of Reverend Billy's crusade?
MS: That's always been a focal point for Rev. Billy. For me, the whole point of this film is, we're following Billy's lead. When it's all said and done, Rob VanAlkemade, the director, and myself, we'll go off and make other movies, but Bill Talen will be Rev. Billy forever. This is the character and the persona that's he's created to kind of create social change.
So we followed his lead and the things that he wanted to tackle and discuss, and for him, Mickey Mouse and Walt Disney is one of those demons, from his point of view. When it was created, when he came up with the character of Rev. Billy, he was working in Times Square, he was managing a theatre company there, living in a church.
It was a theatre company that had taken over one of those old churches in Times Square as theatre space. And the Times Square that was around him was disappearing; that was when the Disney Store came in, and they were shuffling people off, anyone who--as Billy says--didn't have a credit card, kind of got put on a bus and sent away as they cleaned up the city. And he saw the Disney-fication of Times Square as it was become incredibly homogenized and started to look like everywhere else where there's a mall in America.
And he said, who are the people who are screaming out against this? And it was the street preachers, and that's when he came up with this character and started preaching out, and the first person he started targeting was Disney. So I think it's sort of full circle for Billy's story that that's where it started and so with the film that's where it ends.
Capone: I certainly didn't grow up with any deeper love for Disney than any other kid, but even I felt weird seeing Billy and his troops sneaking into Disneyland at the end of the film. It's tense because Disney has a security force that rivals the Secret Service.
MS: Absolutely, it does. They have security guards all over that place, and there are cameras everywhere. They watch and monitor every single thing that goes on in that park. So when you hear the one cop say, “Hey, this isn't like the United States of America, where you can just sing.” That's one of my favorite lines in the whole movie.
Capone: How did you first stumble upon Rev. Billy?
MS: I knew of Billy for a long time. He is a New York City staple, and I lived the East Village, and that's where his shows are over in St. Marks Church. He's just somebody everybody knows, and I'd seen him have some of his actions at different places where he was trying to save public space, save parks, you name it, around the city. I'd never met him in person until one of the producers of the movie, Peter Hutchison, came to me. He'd been shooting with Billy and the church for about a year, and he said, “I've got some footage, and we're trying to make a movie. Would you become involved? Can you watch the footage, and let me know what you think?”
And I watched it, and I was intrigued; I thought it was fascinating, and I thought what Billy did was pretty incredible. You know, to put himself in these positions where he invades this space where he gets arrested and puts himself out there and draws attention to what's going on. And the big thing for me was, I didn't know if it was shtick. I didn't know if it was for real. Where is this guy coming from? And I said, I want to sit down and meet him in person.
So I met him and his wife, and we talked for about three hours over dinner and a restaurant one night, and by the time it was over, I was like, “Done, I'm in.” The thing about Bill Talen and his wife, they really do walk the walk, they talk the talk, and they use this character and this church that they've created to make us laugh, to entertain us. What really attracted me to Billy is, much like myself, I think Billy realizes that if you can make people laugh, you can make people listen.
Capone: You mentioned before that you weren't sure if his act was shtick or not. I can imagine at least in the beginning that a lot of people find it tough to take Rev. Bill seriously because of the persona. He's so crazy, and a little goes a long way with him. I'm wondering, is there ever any discussion that the message might be getting lost because of the messenger?
MS: At times, and this is a lot of the stuff that we talked about, and I think Billy does a really good job of trying to balance that. But I think with this character, you know, whenever you watch any big televangelist on TV, these guys are bigger than life; they really do command a presence. And a lot of people will say, a lot of these televangelists have commercialized Christianity, much as Christmas has become commercialized, these people have done the same with basic religion. And they've turned it into a profitable business. Much like these guys are bigger than life, I think Billy really does try to emulate those exact same types of qualities.
Capone: I noticed that his audiences seem to include a lot of younger people. That one scene where those to teenage girls are trying to look up where exactly there clothes were made and if they were made in sweat shops, that seems like a really simple, effective way to get young people involved in this crusade.
MS: And that was such an incredible organic thing. We were just out shooting with these girls while they were shopping, and they started talking about where things were made and how do you know that. And the way it kind of blossomed into them becoming these detectives, trying to find out where things came from was really remarkable. And that scene is really effective, and people who watch that and who watch the sweat shop scenes, it's kind of incredible to see how they react to this. It does resonate with young kids.
Capone: Who is his real target here, the people he's trying to reach? Are they people who don't have means and they run the risk of running into bankruptcy issues? Or is he also trying to get people who have money to curtail their shopping behavior?
MS: That's a good question for Billy. I would say from my point of view and making this film, I think our goal was for everybody. The goal is for the people who have a lot of money and have the ability to help a lot of people; it's the people who spend excessively at Christmas and just buy tons of stuff. As Jim Walsh says at the end of the movie, is that satisfaction? Does having all these things really equal satisfaction?
And it's the people who don't have a lot of money, but still overspend during the Christmas holiday to the point where the average person at Christmastime puts their credit in such a state that they're paying it off for six, seven month. So you're paying off this holiday where you've bought all these things, and you're paying for it until July. For me, there are so many other things you could be doing with your time, money, effort. You could still make that holiday a special time for your kids, yourselves, your family without going into hock up to your neck.
Capone: The structure of the film, the chapter headings, reminded me of what you did in SUPER SIZE ME, with those wonderful paintings. Was that your influence?
MS: Well, Rob VanAlkemade and I started talking about the movie as we were making it, and he always came back to SUPER SIZE ME as an example of…we were trying to make a film that would be commercial and would resonate with people. And he said, maybe we should have chapter headings, maybe we should separate thoughts so people will really know what we want them to think about going into these different areas. So from there, we worked with Joe the artist, who did a lot of the animations in SUPER SIZE ME, as well as Jonah Tobias, the guy who did a lot of the graphic animations in that, and they all just started working together to come up with this way of twisting this typical religious iconography into this consumer world, and I thought it was a great idea.
Capone: Oh they're all beautifully blasphemous, yes.
MS: [laughs]
Capone: Let me just talk for a while about some of things you have coming up. Just a couple weeks ago, I saw a teaser trailer on FX for the third season of “30 Days,” but now I can't find anything about where the season premiere is. When does that begin?
MS: Yeah, it's running on FX, but because of the writers' strike, they're pulling the series. It was supposed to start airing right after Thanksgiving, so now what's happened is, they want to hold onto it. We're just finishing the final touches on some episodes now, but they want to wait and see how long this strike lasts because if it lasts into the spring they at least know they have some shows they can put on when the new shows that they have run out, which I completely understand.
Capone: So what sorts of issues are you tackling this season?
MS: This season is a pretty great season. We're looking at, for the premiere episode, I get to work in a coal mine in West Virginia where I grew up. And this was happening at the same time as the Utah tragedy, so it was pretty incredible. For me, it's a great episode that looks at energy in America and the choices we make when it comes to energy. And these guys who go underground everyday, who I think are complete heroes. These guys are really incredible people. We look at gun control, gay parenting, some real hot button issues. I think it's a really great season. Every year, we're like, well the season's over, are they going to pick us up next year? How can we top this? What are we going to do? And every year it just gets better.
Capone: Your hunt for Osama documentary, what's going on with that?
MS: Well, we're finishing that movie right now, and hopefully we'll get to premiere that at Sundance. We're waiting to hear. So that's our plan.
Capone: Are you talking to these bounty hunter/mercenary types that we hear about? What's the thrust of the film?
MS: You'll have to wait and see. [laughs]
Capone: Ah, okay. Does it have a title yet?
MS: Not yet. We're kind of honing in on that. We should have one hopefully by the time the movie's finished. That would be nice. [laughs]
Capone: Well, I also noticed you've been attached to something based on the book “The Republican War on Science.”
MS: Yeah, that was a book that we optioned a couple of years ago. I don't think that's going to get made at this point. I was very excited about that book when it came out by Chris Mooney; it was fantastic. It was written close to the end of Bush's first term, and it talks about scientific thought and education in America. And for me, it was much more about science and how the government views science, and especially now that we're coming to the end of this presidency, I think that a movie just about the U.S. education system would make a much more fascinating film.
Capone: I remember in JESUS CAMP…
MS: What a great movie.
Capone: …there was that one sequence about home schooling, and the mother was actually telling her child that global warming was nonsense. And I was baffled by that approach. Why does someone who is religious and/or conservative have to dismiss something like that? To a degree, I understand why they would dismiss evolution, but how does that translate into dismissing global warming?
MS: Yeah, I know. But that movie is not going to happen. I think we just gave up that option, actually. We had the right to renew the option, but I think we let Chris have it back. I hope somebody makes this, but especially for me right now, it's just not the right thing to do. Coming off of my next film, I need to take a little break, take a little vacation, and spend some time with my wife.
Capone: It seems like you've been doing the feature and the TV show simultaneously.
MS: We were finishing WHAT WOULD JESUS BUY?, while I was shooting my film; and while I was finishing my film, we started doing season three of “30 Days.” That show is based out of L.A., it's produced out of R.J. Cutler's space--R.J. Culter, who produced THE WAR ROOM and is a fantastic documentarian. But we're producing out of his offices, so basically I'm flying back and forth from New York to L.A. every three days. It's a bit exhausting.
Capone: Morgan, that you so much for talking to us. I really enjoyed getting the crash course on Rev. Billy, and look forward to “30 Days” and your mystery movie.
MS: Thank you so much. And love what you guys do; keep it up.
Capone
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number one is FIRST on the menu
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Loved the 30 days program (in addition to Supersize)
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First 'Jackass' producer Spike Jonze, now 'I Bet You Will' producer Morgan Spurlock. Makes you think...
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If you've never tried Turducken
Then your life, it's a suckin'
Stuff a chicken inside a duck
I'm like holy shit what the fuck?
Then put the thing in a turkey
Wow that makes me wanna jerk it
Sweet delicious meats
A wondrous culinary feat
A tasty sensation in your mouth
Not unlike "going south"
I am Batman you are not
Without Turducken you are squat
Oh the pleasures of Turducken
Second only to ass fuckin'!
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Eating a supersized McDonald's meal breakfast, lunch and dinner for a month is bad for you! Well I'm glad you're here to tell us these things. Chewie, take the professor in the back and plug him into the hyperdrive.
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When Spurlock creates a movie that is actually factually correct and done rationally I'll take him seriously. He's failed to do that thus far.
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His grasp of the obvious is amazing. Plus, the way he boldly takes on those who can't really retaliate is refreshing. Courage.
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that this guy is around, he is great. i'm super excited to see this new movie.
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was not done factually correct. Could you please point out the the rest of the class the factual errors. SSM was the first documentary I ever paid money to see. I think it educated a lot of uneducated people. I mean c'mon, girls suing because they got fat at McDonald's. Look at the impact this movie has had on the food industry. Right when the movie was released Mc'Ds stopped doing the super size, although they said it was not because of the movie. What a koinkidink. Spurlock looked at all sides, remember the guy who ate a Big Mac every day, and was rail thin? I'll be honest, I still take my kids to McD's but it's rare, and when they go it's a treat for them. Now if you can't to call Michael Moore a hack who is just trying to spread propaganda, go ahead. I used to respect more in the early days, but then he changed his "documentaries" to push his own agenda whereas Spurlock documented what was happening to his body. Even his doctors were surprised at the amount of weight. Spurlock never told anyone not to eat McDonald's, but was spreading a message of avoiding excess.
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Christ, some people have some misplaced compassion for multi-billion dollar corporations ...
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and SuperSize me was just that. Sometimes you overlook the obvious, and the film was an entertaining public service piece. If you wanna shove Big Macs down your throat 3 times a day after watching it, go ahead. But if the movie encouraged people to stop abusing food, then Spurlock's done good and you whiners can go have a nice heart attack.
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Does Spurlock and Rev. Billy even remember what Times Square was like before Disney invested in it? Because I sure do.
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comments. It's extremely stupid that two girls were suing McDonald's because they got fat. And I'm saying that Spurlock told a lot of uneducated people, hey geniuses, this food is not good for your. However, the morons aside, I think he also made people, myself included, realize that eating McDonald's even a couple times a week is seriously not good for you. I figured a combo meal once or twice a week, how bad can it be? Let me put it to you this way, I used to weigh 250. I now weight 195. Since the movie came out I've had one double cheeseburger from them,and that's it. Except for breakfast, man I love those bacon, egg, and cheese biscuits. No problem though. It has 520 calories. I have one, a week, I go to the gym that day, hit the cardio machine, burn off the calories, and it never happened. But I used to eat the value meals twice a week. I figured a couple times a week, how bad can it be. Doesn't seem like much, but you add it up over a year, and it ain't good.
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Super Size Me was about educating the average consumer to avoid excessive amounts of fast food. In todays workforce the average employee only gets about a 1/2 hour lunch break. The choice for too many people is fast food. Thats why there are fast food restaurants on every block. Americans eat too much fast food. This is a fact. Spurlock points it out. Dont feel threatened somehow.
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I don't know anyone who can eat McD's 3 times a day, but Spurlock's experiment was indeed targeting the casual eater like you were. People who ate there once a day for, say, 200 days out of the year would have eaten more than twice what he did. That's the kick in the ass part. If the movie encouraged people to exercise more and McDonald's to trim the fat and cals, then Spurlock's done a great thing.
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memos I was a "heavy user" And BSB you say "if the movie..." I don't think there's an if. I think it succeeded. You can go to McD's and get a real salad now. Of course,you still need to check the fat content on the dressing.
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Drive Thru?! It's a straight-to-dvd horror/comedy that just came out which co-stars Morgan Spurlock as an over the top fast food restaurant manager. This should be compiled as a double feature alongside companion film SUPERSIZE ME. Enjoy watching both films as you gorge 6 Big Macs, 4 Extra Large Fries, 2 Chocolate shakes, and of course, don't forget the diet coke cause you know you're watching those cals!
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One of the best experiences I ever had at school, I can't wait to see the film and support the cause! I was also able to do a report on him for another class while at NYU too!
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Nov 26, 2007 11:21:36 AM CST
I didn't say you couldn't get a salad. I said
by grammaton cleric binks
you can now "real" salad. What they had when this movie came out was the Salad McShaker, and if anyone recalls, this was not much more than iceberg lettuce in a cup. Iceberg lettuce has the least nutritional value of any lettuce. As far as the rest of your commentary, it isn't worth responding to. Myself and others are quite capable of making a rational argument without resorting to vulgarities or throwing a tantrum. So before you accuse someone of "revising history" I suggest you read their whole commentary.
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I hate typos.
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He's incapable of talking rationally, and as usual, he's wrong on this subject just as he is on every other. Just like he's completely ignorant of the fact that nicotine is one of the most addictive substances on Earth and is why people have a hard time kicking cigs.
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Still processed, and of no nutritional value, but slightly better than before with the processed dark meat and corn syrup as filler.
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Dude, do you own stock in McDonald's?!I think you need to relax. Chew on a tofu brick or something.
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Geez, it would seem like we're talking aboout Michael Moore here or something. Saying Supersize Me was just about a guy eating McDonald's everyday is like saying Cast Away was just some guy talking to a volleyball for two hours. It's just a clever little documentary that took a look at the high consumption nature of our culture. It points out how this phenom. is creeping on us, and anyone who does coke knows the effects of a creeper. I don't know, I just don't get the hatred we're seeing towards him here.
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Rental!
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A movie that says "Hey guys, dont eat too much of this food. It has no nutritional value and it is located everywhere. The company that produces it spends millions of dollars on advertising attempting to make you forget that it is unhealthy. Also your kids will want to eat here because it has a clown and toys in the food box." becomes......."Hey I made a movie about this successfull company. It makes alot of money and gives a minor fraction of its profits to charity so I think it would make me feel cool and trendy to totally trash it and take it down a notch from its amazing pedestle." Dont get me wrong here. Im slurping on a chain restaurant soda right now but your logic is hard to follow.
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yeah. pedestal.
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No one in New York will work with this joker. He personally owes a friend of mine thousands of dollars for spec work he did in relation to Spurlock's short-lived show on MTV, "What Would You Do?" He used countless freelancers with no intention of paying them. He's a reckless, shameless self-promoting user. Do not buy into or otherwise view any of this ass-hat's projects. He's serious scum.
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I think I need a babblefish to understand the ramblings. Even then it might not help.
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Not "What Would You Do?", but "I Bet You Will". Apologies, this shit-bag gets me hot under the collar.
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You're right, they did have salads back then. But if I remember correctly i don't recall them being pushed the way they are now. It was more like a supplement to the burgers than an actual meal there in and of itself. I think there definitely has been a change in McDonald's in the past few years due to the generally awakening of being health concious that's happened in this country. You go there now and there's an emphasis on nutrition and fitness, moreso than you had in the late 1990's. As for Spurlock, it's been awhile since I've seen SSM, but I don't remember there being this "let's take down McDonald's" mentality, but just him shining a light to a company that is never more than 5 minutes away, and as an extension of that company, the glutonous culture that has arisen. McDonald's isn't %100 to blame, but it has riden that wave. Of course the notion of eating any particular food for 30 days straight is absurd. That was just the thing that got people's attention as he showcased all the other things in the movie.
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Nov 26, 2007 12:23:17 PM CST
There has definitly been a change in McDonalds' business practic
by i dunno
There's no denying that they've been pushing the whole health thing heavily in the last couple years. They sell McDonald's brand pedometers for Chrissakes. Whether or not that has anything to do with the documentary, I don't know but they've definitely been making an effort to promote healthier food. I know the french fries don't taste as good now, so that's an indication.
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Too bad Michael Moore didn't watch...
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http://tinyurl.com/2owplt
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You know, the one where Horny the Clown from the chain Hella Burger goes around and kills people? Morgan played the manager of Hella Burger. I thought, what the fuck's that guy doing in this shit? Is this a way to tackle the problem of fast food by cameo-ing in a horror movie about a killer fast food clown? Fuck you, On Demand for bringing me these shitty free movies in the first place. Fuck me for having to watch them. Finally Fuck Morgan Spurlock for some reason or another. I don't really care.
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He comes across as one of those morons who loves every single word that comes out of his mouth and thinks he has the answers to all of the world's problems. His middle name must be "Smug."
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You're wasting a bunch of pent up passion on McDonalds, Spurlock, and us.
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When did I ever say it was a health food store or salad shoppe. I was merely saying that you go in there now and there's a definite effort to underscore that they have healthy options, an effort that was not there 5 years ago. Yes, the burgers are front and center, but now for all the fat soccer mom's who heard about the latest health trend, they are very much aware of the healthy options McDonald's has. 10 years ago the salad was just a "yeah, if you're going then you might as well get me a salad" to "Ohh, pick me up a McSalad, when you get your burger." How did this stupid salad thread get started anyway.
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I've been reading this site for a couple of years, and never previously felt the need to join up, but did so just to say...please guys, don't talk politics. Talk geek. When you discuss anything with any real depth, you all come across like total morons. Especially anchorite. Defending McDonalds? Fuck off.
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Look I'm not one of those people who needed a movie to tell me McDonalds sells crap. I figured that out for myself and stopped eating fast food years ago. But since hte movie came out you can definitely see a shift in how those companies do business, and I don;t see how any decent human being can consider that a bad thing. Anchorite, why is it that conservatives seem to hate anyone who tries to make a difference? No Spurlock didn;t tell us anything we didn't know already but he got us talking about something that had unfortunately become part of our national diet, and dammit it's something we needed to talk about because it's disgusting and sad. Instead of just pissing on passionate people trying to make a difference, why don;t you find a topic of your own that you're passionate about.
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than apathetic. Anchorite you often talk about smugness and elitism, the only conclusion I can come to is that you constantly feel condescended and this bothers you to the point of hysteria. Unfortunately for you I don't think its coming from outside sources, its your own insecurity getting the best of you. I don't understand why anyone who disagrees with you politically is smug or arrogant, it's just an excuse you make up to disregard their point of view. There is nothing smug or arrogant about saying that we need to get off this fast food kick, whether it's an obvious point or not, it's one that people don't confront enough.
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Hey, glad to see Morgan get some press. Anybody in the Area, there's a Ron English party at the Showroom NYC, 117 2nd Ave Friday from 6 till 10. We'll have the Christmas limited Supersize Me figures (Only 100 made).
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My cousins internationally award winning short film played with Supersize me. My cousin produced the short film called agricultural report.
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Anchorite is full of shit. That's the long and the short of it. He's fighting a one man war against logic and he's convinced he's winning. There is no point in responding to his ideological raving, unless you just want to mess with him like BSB. I liked SSM, personally, gave me food for thought (hey!) as to why the convenience of fast food isn't worth the toll it takes on your health. He may be a douche in RL, but then, Miles Davis beat his wife, so as long as Spurlock makes interesting movies, I don't care about his personal life.
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...is that I'm not going to judge the artistic merit of someone's contributions to popular culture based on what kind of person they are alleged to be. If the Beatles were child molesters, it wouldn't make The White Album any less of a work of musical genius. I'm not saying Spurlock is Lennon, but the point remains. Enjoy your ranting, I won't be bothering with it anymore.
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if anything, they're sincere in the facts they are advocating. Obviously Industrykiller has Anchorite pegged.
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By your logic anyone who espouses a political point of view, something that makes up part of the bedrock of a democracy, is a smug asshole. Well then welcome to the club anchorite. because in the last few years on this site I've seen you do it as much as me or anyone in Hollywood. The people in Hollywood, the good ones at least, are artists, they make art, some of which actual requires one to challenge it or at least think about it. What makes art great is that it can do that in such a capacity on just about any subject. It happens that we are in a time of political upheaval with one of the most divisive presidents in American history. Anyone who isn't a conservative feels that we are going down the wrong path in this country and if you have a way of speaking out against obvious injustice then you should do so. You disagree, fine, guess what, you have a voice to do that same exact thing, and doing so doesn't make you smug. I've never heard you call Rush Limbaugh smug, and he is louder as a singular voice than any one person in Hollywood, methinks you have a double standard. Ok, now with that said I do agree with you on some points. Banning things is ridiculous. Give people the information and let them do with it what they will. If you go into a bar and smell smoke and you don't like it, then fuck off. You are in an adult place where adults are free to be adults. You're rights aren't being infringed by people doing something in a place where they have been doing that very thing for centuries. I don't like those types of people either anchorite, THOSE are the real assholes, and they are going to be around in the same numbers they always were with Spurlock around or not.
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is not to safeguard the smokers themselves but non-smokers (especially children) who inhale the second hand smoke, emitted directly from the burning cigarette and unfiltered. Get it, dumbfuck?
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until we found out he has a felafel fetish.
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Nov 26, 2007 4:18:10 PM CST
INDUSTRY: THE SMOKING POST WAS DIRECTED AT ANCHORITE
by bringingsexyback
not you. He's the dumbfuck, but everyone knows that already.
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He puked after eating a supersized combo? What is he, a 6-year old girl?
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"If the Beatles were child molesters, it wouldn't make The White Album any less of a work of musical genius." Are you utterly in-fucking-sane? You must not have children.
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experiments where people lost weight (one guy actually got ripped, I believe). Spurlock's vegan girly stomach couldn't handle food like a real man.
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Some of you must be like 12. anchorite...why do you hate Mr Spurlock so much? Is it because he thought of the documentary before you did?
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I want to see that film!
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Why am I utterly in-fucking-sane? Miles Davis is a perfect example of what I'm talking about; his music was genius, he beat up his wife. Should his work in the arts be de-valued based on the kind of person he was? Does the fact that Leni Riefenstahl was a blatant Nazi propagandist diminish the aesthetic value of her work? Or, Uwe Boll may be a wonderful, stand-up guy in his personal life, but his movies suck... should we give his movies a free pass because he's such a nice guy? The argument can and has been made for both sides, but I don't think I qualify as utterly in-fucking-sane for having this opinion. This is getting off on a tangent but I do believe that the value of a person's artistic contribution to society can be recognized as separate from their personal life. To paraphrase Bill Hicks, "Let's say rock and roll IS, without a doubt, the Devil's music... at least he fucking rocks."
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Do people often bring their children into bars? If they do it's not the fault of the people within the bar, punish the parents. In restaurants I understand, there are kids in a restaurant, but in bars it's just fucking ridiculous. If a bar wants to impose their own smoking ban then fine, but having a state imposed ban is crazy. I don't know anyone, or know anyone who knows anyone who knows anyone, who has ever had their health tangibly affected by second hand smoke from a bar or sidewalk.
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the movie that this talkback SHOULD be about is actually pretty good. i saw it on black friday. If you haven't seen Reverend Billy in action, check it out. he's hilarious while getting across a pretty strong message. there's gotta be clips of him in action on youtube or something. look him up, so you guys can contribute more to this tb than old 3 year old arguments about SUpersize ME.
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Yes, I completely disagree with you, and still think you are utterly insane. A child molester who paints a pretty picture is still a child molester. A nazi who shoots a pretty film is still a nazi. And, a man that beats his wife, but also records some easy-listening jazz... You can probably guess where I'm going with this. In the real world, ebonic_plague, you have to look at the entire picture, not just the pretty parts.
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...and I still disagree, but at least you're not being a jackass about it. A Nazi who makes a beautiful film IS still a Nazi, and Nazis suck, but alternately, the film that Nazi made IS still a beautiful film, and beautiful films are a good thing. By your logic, the Constitution should be torn up and disdained because it was written by slave-owners. Or should the institution of slavery be exonerated because the great and wise Founding Fathers took part in it? I don't think either absolute is correct, but I will usually give the benefit of the doubt to the person who creates something of beauty or truth that transcends their own personal flaws. That's the whole picture as I see it.
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Oscar Wilde had a taste for young men. He is also one of the greatest most insightful writers in the English language. Should we burn every story or play he ever wrote?
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I'm a skinny bastard who knows when to say no to the super size question (and they do still ask you to super size it) but because of you fat fucks, they make french fries that taste like cardboard now. So fuck off, you fat fucks.
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You people need to calm down. No one's taking away your right to junk food.
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You groundbreaker, Morgan!
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as performed by Wonka...Talkbacker: Hippos are the most dangerous animals in Africa.anchorite: I'm sure liberal feminazis would have you believe that.Talkbacker: what does that have to do-anchorite: just last week, 3 people were killed by monkeys. are you saying monkeys aren't dangerousTalkbacker: well I'm sure that overall, many more pe-anchorite: are you trying to argue that 3 people were not killed by monkeys last week? here's the link, bucko: {link}Talkbacker: but my point is that in general, Hippos kill more people in Africa than any other animal.I just saw a video the other day where people had a Hippo living in their house with them, like a dog. it was even housetrained. [note: this is actually true, look it up -Wonka]Talkbacker: um...anchorite: you're damn right, "Um". I just deflated your whole argument. how could these people live in perfect harmony with an animal that is supposedly so dangerous?Talkbacker: but that's not the point. you've just latched on some minute detail and used it to try to derail a perfectly valid overall point. the statistics show that-anchorite: liberals always use facts and statistics as their fallback. why not use lyrics from a song?Talkbacker: what?anchorite: stupid liberalsTalkbacker: just look it up, Hippos kill more people every year-anchorite: liberals always whine about Hippos. why not think for yourself and decide for yourself what is the truth?Talkbacker: the goddamn FACTS are the truth! you can't decide the facts for yourselfanchorite: another liberal bashing religion, how refreshing!Talkbacker: sigh...
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"Bucko". That's so totally Anchorite. Funny how he gets to work in "leftist lib" in every talkback. What a fucko.
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All I can tell you is that, as a former smoker of 13 years, second hand smoke is deadly. Far more so than the shit I used to inhale. At least that shit was filtered. The second hand smoke, IMO, is a misnomer. It is the primary smoke - the point of incineration.
I used to wave that shit away from me even as I was inhaling the cigarette. And it's foul - you can barely wash it off your hands after a smoke. I think banning smoking is a public service, and I encourage it. What people don't realize is how much of an addictive drug nicotine is. It's the most addictive substance known to man - yet unknown, as a fact, to the general public.
Anchorite, in his non-existent wisdom, thinks that just the knowledge that smoking kills is sufficient to get people to stop. Every smoker, I can tell you, KNOWS smoking kills. But the addiction to nicotine, like any addiction, trumps logic and common sense. The addiction controls the person, and until the person is given the tools (i.e.: knowledge) to understand his/her addiction and thereby conquer it, he/she needs something else to help them, and I think a ban is a useful tool because it stigmatizes a deadly habit, and ultimately serves a useful purpose.
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This has been by far the most interesting TB session I've read in a long time. So good in fact that it actually eclipses the original article. Brilliant! Oh ... and for all you Morgan Spurlock haters, just be grateful that you don't have to deal with Celebrity Chef and all-round Wanker Jamie Oliver like we do here in the UK. This Jamie Oliver took complete credit for highlighting the bad diet children were given in schools when in fact it was Morgan Spurlock who bought this to our attention in his SSM documentary. Total rip-off ... Morgan should come over and kick Jamie's bollocks continuously for 90 minutes. Now there's a documentary I would pay money to go and see.
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Since he is beating up on Surlock so much, what are you worried your stocks will drop you prick? The movie was just that...a display of what can happen if you eat fast food everyday. I have fast food for lunch 5 days a week and I feel guity about how bad it is, but it is my choice, because I could pack a sandwich. But I like it, could it ruin my health..I am sure anything in excess can. I smoke that is my choice, I know it is dangerous but I cant stop, however I don't smoke in my house in front of my kids, pumping them full of nitotine and 2nd hand smoke...yeah it is more dangerous, cause they have exposure that a drug that someday they will miss...crave and state smoking.
Point being: I gives a damn what you do to yourself, but when you make it common and trival and expose others to it...well your just a..........anchorite. -
I just got an e-mail from Morgan. He probably will not be back in NYC for the Ron English Opening/Party. I told him I'd keep him 1 each of the Christmas exclusives that we're only making 100 each of. The Party on Friday at 117 2nd Ave is open to the public from 6PM till 10PM, so feel free to drop by. I'll be the 6 foot 2 huge guy roaming around in Marine Corps MARPAT camo.
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The reason SSM is a joke is because, if you eat ANY food over your maintenance level, and don't expend it, you get FAT!
If you could eat 6000 cals of grilled chicken and vegetables, you will gain fat. If you eat 6000 cals of salad you will, wait for it...gain FAT!
If Spurlock ate his daily caloric limitt,, he would NOT have gained as much fat as he did and his "numbers" would have net been as skewed as they were. He made a documentary that was more about kamakazi eating disorders rather than McDonalds. There have been counter documentaries made about people who have actually changed their body composition eating McDonalds and following Spurlockss self imposed rules.
The documentary is a sham and I'm glad there are at least a few people who see through the absurdities of it.
I'm just annoyed that people who have actually made entertaining and informative documentaries have not received the same publicity as Spurlock. They deserve it much more. -
but that doesn't make it any less invalid. Sometimes these things just need to be said. On the art vs artist argument. This is uttery insolubule. There are countless artists in all forms of art that have turned out to be utterly despicable people- Wagner, Picasso, Polanski, Britney Spears (just kidding, she isn't that bad) etc. The point remains that if you can seperate the artist from his work then you can find and appreciate aesthetic brilliance. If you can't the knowedge of the composer/ painter/ author/ film maker's identity will taint the value of the work for you. The only question should be that if you are exposed to 2 different works, one of which is objectively superior to the other (think Chinatown v Alone in The Dark) does the fact that the "better" work was created by a shitweasel elevate the lesser work? Really, the only answer I can ever come up with to this is that the work of genius is still a work of genius, but it is a damned travesty that it came from such a turd. Whereas the work of hackitude it still utterly dismal, and it is a shame that the authors were not reversed. I'm not saying that the lives of the authors should be celebrated, but the work- once it exists- is an entity in its own right and should therefore be judged on its own particular merits. Once it is created it exists in its own right- and any such judgement should be confined to its particular merits.
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that is bollocks. The reason SSM is not a joke is that by going to the extreme he highlighted the dangers to his body of over consuption. I would put it to you that he was actually more ill on a diet of McDonald's than he would have been with a similar calorie intake of something with some nutrition.I stand by what I said above- it is a statement of the blindingly fucking obvious, but it did need to be said.
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Sorry, but Golfer is right. You eat over maintenance calories = you get fat. Calories in vs calories out is what it boils down to. The main reason he got ill from McDonald's (other than getting fat) is because he wasn't used to eating that much meat/processed carbohydrates before (his gf was a vegan so he pretty much ate the same stuff). If he had been eating meat and bread on a regular basis and then did his experiment, he would've basically just gotten fatter.
And yes, there have been people who've gotten in better shape doing the same sort of experiment at McDonald's. Google it. -
I'm takling about nutrition- The answer clearly should be that he do a follow up where he eats the same calorie intake of vegan/ rabbit food (which I can't abide- I need dead animal), and honestly charts the results. If he turns into a lard-arse with malnutrition then that answers that question. And he has to do it, as it is his metabolism that went through the first test. Anyone else doing it is meaningless as they will have different metabolisms.
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Unless he eats the same amount of calories, per day as he did with McDonalds, in "healthy" food, it's not the same experiment.
He will not do that, it's almost impossible to do. But the fact remains, a calorie is a calorie. Doesn't matter if it comes from a chicken breast or from a Double Quarter Pounder.
The only numbers that probably would have been different, had he eaten his daily caloric number in McDonalds is his sodium level. The rest of his numbers, based on genetics and family history, would not have changed much. Definitely not even close to "deaths doorstep." -
it got a lot of protein yo.
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There are millions of us who now believe there is a conspiracy by ABC and the Osmond family to rig the vote and make Marie the winner. There are tons of people reporting busy lines for Helio for hours on end, yet his ranking on Dialidol doesn't reflect the voting. There is something sinister going on.
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...that the people who say "why have you got it in for McDonald's" when someone criticizes fast food consumtion are the same people who say "why do you hate America" when you criticize Bush or the "war" on terror?
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went behind the scenes on deal or no deal in the UK for his new book what I do. The whole show is controlled , like you would not believe. Noel edmonds has a paid spy whose job it is to collect information about the contestants . Edmons swears that he does nothing with the information. There is also a Contestant carer. the audience and constests are sequested in a hotel in briston where all craziness is squeezed out of the audience. Ronsons new book is all about proper cults. Deal or no deal uses a isolationist technique where, the guy who is hoping to get the overall prize, sits at a table. and is pressured by noel to guess the numbers in the box. All the numbers appear random, but there not. Stanley Kubrick had crank box. and for the past 6/7 years ronson has been back forward to the house. he hopes to make documentary about Kubrick.
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Don't recall mentioning you and the "hate America" crowd. Perhaps a nerve has been touched, yes?
Seriously, is there a conservative issue in existence that you wouldn't eagerly suck the unholy cock of satan in order to defend? -
How stupid do you have to be to compare cigarettes to chocolate and donuts? You are the dumbest motherfucker I ever had the misfortune of coming across. And I have come across some dumb motherfuckers.
Nicotine is more addictive than fucking heroin, and cigarettes happen to be the QUICKEST AND MOST EFFECTIVE delivery system for nicotine. The smoke also happens to be highly carcinogenic. It's a deadly combination that only a fucking moron of the highest order would compare to chocolate. No one is stopping anyone from smoking in their own home, you fucking tool. Quit exaggerating to make a point you don't have.
And the only reason you're criticizing Bush is because he's not brutal and inhumane enough for your taste. You're from the Michael Medved / Ron Silver school of Bush-bashing. You're all wackjobs slithering on the outskirts of decent society. Don't even pretend to denounce Bush for the right reasons. All you want is more bloodshed, and watch it all from the comfort of you basement.
You know the drill. Go fuck yourself. -
Just knowing you watch it drains a whole lot of the enjoyment for me. I don't want to know you exist when the show is on. I want to believe that the world is a good place full of dancing people, not psychotic morons like you.
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Get out. Harry, toss these people out right now.
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Supersize me was such a piece of trash I can never ever take this man seriously as anything other than a fraud and charlatan. Fake vomiting from eating fast food. Fucking asshole.
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eat fast food and she still died of cancer. Jon Ronson is right too about how the internet is making people turn nasty.
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called refeer madness. In it he contends that we are all addicted to something. and all this anti-food and anti-drugs propanda anti-fashion propaganda is a load of bollocks.
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talback, I'm drawn back into it. First, Angry Golfer, you are absolutely right "a calorie is a calorie." However, McDs food has a ton of calories in small packages. On top of that is all the sugar and fat on top of the calories. Sure McDs was an easy target because it's everywhere. But wasn't that the point that McD's is everywhere, and marketing their product to people, and wanting them to overindulge in their food instead of using moderation. If Spurlock was biased, he wouldn't have had the skinny dude who eats at least one Big Mac every day. Also, Anchorite, I am glad that we can at least agree on our mutual hatred for Michael Moore, and George W. Although, Moore used to be cool when he produced real documentaries. I mean TV Nation was a cool show. Too bad it got axed too soon. I remember one of the shows characters. It was something like "Crackers" the corporate (white collar) crime fighting chicken. Not to hash up old stuff, but look neither myself nor Spurlock said you could not get a salad at McDs. Never said it was a new thing either. Yes, they started their salads in 1985. What he showed, and what I said is that at the time the film was made the only salad option on the menu at that time was the Salad McShaker, or whatever the name was. Now, if I am wrong about that, then please show me where, and I will stand corrected. But, don't say I said something when I did not.
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I don't know if you're serious or just trolling like usual, But I don't see what's wrong with a movie that questions our obsession with fast food or what health effects it might have for us.
Eric Schlosser's book (which I'm assuming was the inspiration for the film) does NOT call for a legal ban on fast food or try to make the reader feel guilty for eating it. Schlosser, who says he still eats at McDonald's, tries to give the entire picture of what fast food means to us: how its produced, what the dangers are, and the dirty secrets behind the counter.
Things like chocolate, alcohol and fast food have not been subject to the same kinds of legislation as cigarettes because its agreed that they are harmless if used in moderation. Epidemiology studies going back to the 1940's (some of them sponsored by tobacco companies) tend to agree that cigarette smokers have nearly double the rate of cancer, especially lung cancer. Mesothelioma is almost exclusively caused by exposure to asbestos, which was used as a filter in the first 'light' cigarettes. Although I do agree with you on second-hand smoking bans, which largely use a World Health Organization study for reference. The study initially showed people exposed to second hand smoke had a twenty percent higher rate of lung cancer but this was later revised to about two percent which is considered statistically negligible. -
there is a difference between something that can be psychologically addictive (video games, fast food, overeating in general, exercise) and something that is physiologically addictive (heroin, cigarettes, alcohol) and therefore MUCH more difficult to control, past a certain point.the fact of the matter is, certain things (most specifically cigarettes and alcohol) can be physiologically AND psychologically addictive, and should not be carelessly lumped in with donuts and ho-hos.we regulate the SHIT out of alcohol. where you can get it and when, wht you can do with it, and how, how much you can have and still do this and that. and for the most part, people are not up in arms. (except maybe wanting to lower the drinking age to 18)...so what's wrong with some restrictions on something that is as dangerous, or more so, than alcohol? I can have a beer in a restaurant, but I can't have 20. I can smoke a cigarette outside the restaurant, but not inside it. I can drink on my front porch, but not walking down the street. I can smoke a cigarette walking down the street, but not standing in the doorway of an elementary school.the problem with these libertarian knee-jerk responses to any legislation, national or local, which proposes to help the common good, is that they mistake obstinance for idealism. we ALL accept restrictions on our behavior for the common good. from crosswalks to decency laws, we abide by them every day. but when one pops up that may be a little harder to swallow socially, it becomes the poster child for those who believe the right to have a cigarette trumps the danger it poses to a kid next to them.smoking bans are to libertarian thinking individuals what evolution in public schools are to conservatives. and not coincidentally, both are simply good.p.s. I'm a smoker
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You can smoke in my face if I can punch in your face. You wouldn't want to limit my freedoms, would you?
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Damn you hit the nail on the head.
Nicotine addiction does have both a physiological and psychological component. The fact is, the withdrawal symptons from the physiological addiction are extremely mild and easy to overcome, but the psychological addiction is a roadblock to it.
If you want to quit, I cannot recommend more highly Allen Carr's Easy Way To Stop Smoking. The title says it all, and it truly worked for me - in a matter of just a few days. -
I respectfully disagree with your assessment. There is no logical or moral reason to ban a behavior which is entirely voluntary.We are all primarily responsible for our own health in regards to what we put into our body and the environments we choose to enter. Bars and smoking sections are widely known to be environments in which you knowingly accept an elevated risk to yourself. Nobody makes you go into these environments and there is no lack of understanding about the effects these days for prolonged exposure. There is simply no rational reasons to ban smoking in private establishments, especially when the options for us non-smokers already makes the number of smoking allowed establishments pale in comparison. In addition, there is a sufficient majority of non-smokers in the population to ensure that demand for non-smoking alternatives will always be available in the foreseeable future without the power of law dictating it.There is only one explanation I can think of for a smoking ban, and that's because it makes some people feel good to think they're forcing others to make healthy choices. Some people aren't happy with being free themselves, they have to go the next step and make decisions for others whether they like it or not. Liberty means having the freedom to make wrong and even disastrous decisions.
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No, I used your quote as bait to push your buttons, and like the myopic tool you are, you actually took it. If you HADN'T been one of the "you hate America" fucktards, you wouldn't have reacted. By replying the way you did, you proved my point almost embarrassingly easy.
Nice work. Now go back to telling us about the great humanitarians in the tobacco industry. -
That's exactly what I suggested he did- and aside from sodium I would expect to see other nutritional differences- lack of some vitamins/ minerals etc.
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slightly hysterical? I can almost see him hunched over the computer with tear glistening eyes genty typing away (he doesn't type too hard in case it disrupts his plastic statue of liberty that he has sitting on top of the monitor). All the while muttering "they just don't understand. Traitors, all of them" to himself. Then he pulls on his stars and stripe jim-jams and crawls into his big powder blue bed underneath his poster of Bill O'Reilly, where he dreams of a land without liberalism, where rampant capitalism roaring unchecked is great- and with such freedom, the sun shines every day, bunnies hop in tandem and man treats man with the respect and dignity owed.
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Nov 28, 2007 8:55:34 AM CST
LP - I DON'T THINK ANCHORITE SOUNDS SLIGHTLY HYSTERICAL
by bringingsexyback
I think he sounds enormously hysterical. Because he *is* hysterical.
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The irish are drowing in Drink. I dont have the statistics in front of me but the last report, which was released last month was shocking. And the balance was shifting. more and more women are presenting themselves to Casualty and A&E departments in Irish hospitals. Sales of Guinness have plummeted through the floor. The Irish state has introduced draconian laws which wiped out the traditional small isirh pub. IT IS AGAINST THE LAW TO DRINK AND DRIVE in Ireland, they have reduced the limit to half a pint. But as we all know any attempt to crack down on advertising will be met with stiff resistance from then drinks industry.
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died of lung cancer. Ironic....
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And correct me if I'm wrong but the reason he makes the film is in response to a report of Mcdonald's claiming the food WAS healthy. I call bullshit on that and I think his way of disproving it was funny and thought provoking. That's why I liked it.
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I disgree on your definition of liberty. your ability to make bad decisions shouldn't allow you to drive a car drunk, should it? what about putting on a blindfold and swinging an aluminum bat around?we all accept RESTRICTIONS on our freedom, in order to protect the freedoms of the guy next to us. uless you support outright anarchy, you do it as well.smoking is not, and should not, be considered any differently. saying, "people know the bar has smokers, so they choose to go in it" is no different than saying, "I know that highway is going to have drunk drivers on it, and I choose to drive on it." some behavior is unquestionably dangerous to others, and being so, must be regulated. how is ti unfair to say, "want to smoke? great, it's your personal choice. so you go outside where it remains a personal choice." you smoke in a small enclosed area, and you are making a choice for everyone around you. what could be more limiting to your freedom and liberty than having choices made for you?again, when looked at logically, a libertarian case can be made for the sake of regulation. unfortunately, the knee jerk reaction (which, no offense, you are stating, albeit much more coherently) is: I want to smoke, the government says I can't smoke in certain places, my liberty is being infringed upon.it's just not logical to me. there are millions of restrictions on us every day. this is just a clear, hot button issue that can be broken down easily into simple, but incorrect, pieces.
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and if you think the smoke in a smokign section of a restaurant stays oly in that section, well, I can't help you.
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