So we’ve got this Episode 12 dangling out there, and…I don’t know if it’ll ever see the light of day on the network. And it is…in some ways, it could very much be the series finale. And it’s really good. It’s directed by Alex Graves, it’s a really strong script, and it answers questions, and it’s gonna be one of those things that people are really, really gonna want to see.More frustrating? Episode 12 concludes a two-part story to launch in episode 11. Episode 8 aired Monday, Nov. 19. Episode 9 airs Monday, Nov. 26. Episode 10 is the “Christmas episode.” It’s strange to think that NBC wouldn’t want to delay the January season debut of, say, “Law & Order” for one week to give fans that final episode of “Journeyman.” Here’s Falls’ comment in a larger context:
BULLZ-EYE: So what is going to happen with the remaining episodes? Because Ain’t It Cool News got everyone up in arms by saying that the network was gonna cancel the show unless the two-parter that started last night (Nov. 19th) and finishes next Monday (Nov. 26th) brings big numbers. KEVIN FALLS: Here’s what…I think what got twisted around was that episodes 8 and 9, the episodes in question there, were certainly important episodes. We’d up-kicked on 7, and 8 and 9 were sweeps, and so they’re gonna be watching that closely. That, coupled with the fact that, on Dec. 3rd, “Life” gets our slot…there’s gonna be a “Life” episode on that night, and I think they’re doing a Monday / Wednesday episode that’s a 2-parter, but you’d have to check on that…and I think that made it seem like we were gonna get yanked after that, but that’s not true. We will air Episodes 10 and 11; 10 is our Chris tmas episode, and 11 is the first part of a two-parter that leads into our…season finale. Now, here’s what no-one knows about and what I just found out about last night: there’s no room for Episode 12. And the idea is…they’re not saying, “We’re not going to give you that back 9.” I mean, no-one can predict what’s gonna happen with the strike. But I think the idea is that NBC, what they want to do is tie up all their loose ends. Like, “Heroes” and “Life” and our show, have all that stuff done by the first of the year, so that they can, if there’s still a strike, air new programming or mid-season shows like “Medium” and “Lipstick Jungle” or another “Law and Order” and a ton of reality wallpaper, so they can start fresh. I think that’s (NBC President Jeff) Zucker’s thinking, and, business-wise, I get that. It makes sense. But what’s frustrating…and this is the second time I’ve been frustrated with the network…is because I love them so much and I think they do the best TV shows. It’s like being angry at your parents; you love them, but sometimes you don’t like what they’re telling you to do. So we’ve got this Episode 12 dangling out there, and…I don’t know if it’ll ever see the light of day on the network. And it is…in some ways, it could very much be the series finale. And it’s really good. It’s directed by Alex Graves, it’s a really strong script, and it answers questions, and it’s gonna be one of those things that people are really, really gonna want to see. Now, I’ve been told that there’s gonna be a DVD, so you will get it. But it’s…what makes us so frustrated is that, at a time when writers are striking and networks need programming, why on earth would you not find a place for Episode 12? And that’s the question for which nobody seems to have an answer.Find all of Bullz-Eye’s interview with Falls here.
Nov. 23, 2007, 5:13 p.m. CST
This really sucks. Journeyman's easily one of the best shows this season, can't believe it doesn't have the audience it deserves. How is it that the people that watch Heroes don't get sucked into that show?
Nov. 23, 2007, 5:14 p.m. CST
by Wed Vid Guy
NBC really has a gem in Journeyman. Here's hoping it finds a new home.
Nov. 23, 2007, 5:17 p.m. CST
Stupid name - but the hotness...
Nov. 23, 2007, 5:30 p.m. CST
by Wed Vid Guy
Not a stupid name. Pagan hotness. That's what that name is.
Nov. 23, 2007, 5:35 p.m. CST
by Boondock Devil
Nov. 23, 2007, 5:43 p.m. CST
Always, always have a pre-shot finale ready in case they cut your show off at the knees so the fans have some frickin' closure. And, in this case, they almost seem to have done that and NBC's gonna screw the pooch anyways.
Nov. 23, 2007, 5:45 p.m. CST
by Solomon Kane
Nov. 23, 2007, 5:47 p.m. CST
I was actually surprised by how much I enjoyed it and had planned on watching the rest. But fuck that now.
Nov. 23, 2007, 5:50 p.m. CST
I watched last weeks show, the first time I'd seen Journeyman, just to support it after what was posted here on Monday. Great show, lot better then I thought it was going to be, now I'm going to get screwed like this, this sucks!!!!<P>Bloodgood, incidentlly, is not neccassiarly a "pagan" name, there is/was a Christian metal group named Bloodgood because that was the founder and lead singer's last name, just an FYI...Moon btw imo, is hot
Nov. 23, 2007, 5:55 p.m. CST
<p>I just couldn't get into it. Made it all the way through episode 5, too.</p> <p>In this era of television, when decisions are made by the networks after a mere episode or two, you've got to hook the viewers right away. Journeyman should have started their "reveal" way earlier.
Nov. 23, 2007, 5:58 p.m. CST
I'm telling ya, Zucker will find ways to retaliate for the strike.<br> <br> Prediction One: Scrubs will never produce or air its final episodes. This is a show produced by ABC Studios. What better way to met out some payback then at a show produced by your rival? When fans complain, he will point at the writers and the unfortunate reality of the strike. This will be classic Jeff. You don't cross him. He may not be able to punish everyone, but he will punish who he can. Scrubs will not return.<br> <br> More predictions later...
Nov. 23, 2007, 6 p.m. CST
by Judge Briggs
she is so hot
Nov. 23, 2007, 6:03 p.m. CST
I thought I was behind the NBC shafting shows after they fell to 4th place.. apparently, they want to become 5th.
Nov. 23, 2007, 6:05 p.m. CST
by Bill Clay
...and never came back. Sorry, it's a 'been there, done that' type of show. Nothing really new or compelling enough to catch my attention.
Nov. 23, 2007, 6:05 p.m. CST
by Sledge Hammer
Still, that said, if true, this one is right up there with the all time idiocy greats. I mean pulling a show is one thing, but pulling a show during a writer's strike when networks are crying out for content, and with one episode left to air, and with that episode actually not only being one that will give a certain degree of resolution to those that have supported the show, but which is also the second part of a two parter, after they plan to show the first part of said two parter, ell that's just plain fucking rediculous in anyone's language. Jeez.
Nov. 23, 2007, 6:09 p.m. CST
Nov. 23, 2007, 6:11 p.m. CST
by Mullah Omar
Either cancel the show or keep it. This underhanded declaration that there is "no room" for a completed show exhibits no balls whatsoever by the decisionmakers at NBC. What a disgrace.
Nov. 23, 2007, 6:12 p.m. CST
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Nov. 23, 2007, 6:14 p.m. CST
NBC, you're got to be fucking kidding me. Absolutely outlandish to try and maintain you can't find a fucking spot for an ep already prepared when EVERY FUCKING WRITER IS ON STRIKE. Because, God For FUCkING BID we not have a fucking new Deal or Fucking NO Dea.
Nov. 23, 2007, 6:15 p.m. CST
Nov. 23, 2007, 6:21 p.m. CST
This show is damn good. Put it somewhere where is will get seen NBC. Don't kill it without a chance, It's better than that you idiots!
Nov. 23, 2007, 6:21 p.m. CST
about Zucker's issues with passive aggression.
Nov. 23, 2007, 6:28 p.m. CST
i mean, it seems ridiculous to have to do this during a writers strike when nothing new is being made, but is there a petition to sign to ask NBC to air a completed last episode of a TV program many people liked?
Nov. 23, 2007, 6:29 p.m. CST
...people are stopping their television watching by the millions. It's almost not worth it to watch any show on live tv anymore. Better to just wait till the DVD hits shelves where you're at least guaranteed to not be left hanging with no ending...
Nov. 23, 2007, 6:32 p.m. CST
Hey, NBC, I'm going to just stop watching any new shows you put on because you can't seem to keep them going. Asses.
Nov. 23, 2007, 6:32 p.m. CST
by lex romero
Seriously this makes no sense...even if the show isn't getting as many numbers as they want, it's one bloody episode. The last of the series. In the middle of a writers strike, when a large majority of tv shows have stopped mid production - surely they need all the completed programmes they can get?
Nov. 23, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST
so, by your measure i've seen wkrp so, i shouldn't watch the office? i've seen the prisoner so i shouldn't watch lost? hey if you hate the show, i won't fault you. everyone CAN be picky. I hate chuck. others LOVE it. who fucking cares.
Nov. 23, 2007, 6:35 p.m. CST
I'm done with you.
Nov. 23, 2007, 6:44 p.m. CST
Nov. 23, 2007, 7:02 p.m. CST
was there grit spraying out of his mouth as he said that?<p> you know, grit from the teeth he was gritting? when he was saying that, through, y'know, gritted teeth?<p> man, this does suck, though. i like the idea that Journeyman will come back from a short season like Heroes, but this just reaks of being messed around.<p> frak, they saved Jericho and that was ultimately a much less compelling show than this one.
Nov. 23, 2007, 7:07 p.m. CST
hold back part 2 of the season finale, so every fan of journeyman has to buy the DVD to see it.<p> yes, it's a fucking shitty way to treat the fans, but it makes a sick kinda business sense.
Nov. 23, 2007, 7:19 p.m. CST
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Nov. 23, 2007, 7:22 p.m. CST
Studio 60, The Black Donnellys, Jorneyman... who's next?
Nov. 23, 2007, 7:38 p.m. CST
I figure at least a $1,000,000. So what sense is there in relegating this to the DVD? Why not do a two hour finale if they don't want to go another week? By the way when I asked for this series to go darker I didn't quite expect pedophiles (always a winning combo at Thanksgiving).
Nov. 23, 2007, 7:43 p.m. CST
Well done NBC! Show those strikers that you're not afraid to make sacrifices!
Nov. 23, 2007, 7:45 p.m. CST
...that people didn't pick up on this show. It's so well thought out and well acted. It's easy to put yourself in Dan's shoes. I tell all my friends to watch it. Few do. I will miss Journey Man a lot. But I'm NOT buying the DVD just to see one unaired episode.
Nov. 23, 2007, 7:50 p.m. CST
whether they aired the finale or not, i'd probably still own the dvd- knowing that in all liklihood it wouldn't come back for a second run. I enjoy owning TV on DVD, but these shows that seem to never end- they take their toll on my wallet... and Journeyman, as cool as it is/was, didn't seem like the kind of idea that could maintain its twisty turny goodness without either A) eventually borrowing from Quantum Leap or B) jumping the shark a la Lost. So i'm glad that they took their opportunity to give closure. Makes for better storytelling. NBC not airing ep 12 though, that's just fucking stupid.
Nov. 23, 2007, 7:52 p.m. CST
because NO WHERE in that whole statement was the statement...."JOURNEYMAN is cancelled " did u see it ?? i didnt ...i saw that there is "no room" to air the episode and i def seen the words "season finale" not series finale....i think logic will prevail, this is only episode 9 coming up....i think the #s over the next couple of weeks will make them air it just to see what happens....but lots of shows are having season finales like this....heroes, life, etc...and for the shmo BILL CLAY...god forbid u arent blown away by the first episode...imagine if everyone bailed on star trek the next generations first episode...or first 3 seasons...im sure ur quite busy with the originality of your life..go watch original programming like "dancing with the stars"....and who said the BSG people want off of bionic woman ?? never heard that one.
Nov. 23, 2007, 8:16 p.m. CST
NBC just seizes to amaze me. I am not saying that if I like a show it must not be cancelled, but it seems they pull the plug on anything I do like. If they are going by ratings, they should pull the plug on just about every one of their shows. They need to start advertising and finding good slots for them. I thoroughly enjoy Journeyman and Chuck. I guess I better expect a cancellation notice on Chuck soon as well. ALright, I have a great idea to replace all these shows...3 hours of Deal or No Deal with celebrity guests!
Nov. 23, 2007, 8:19 p.m. CST
or is he talking about a situation where there are still no writers next year?
Nov. 23, 2007, 8:23 p.m. CST
What do you *really* think? ;) Sucks if you're a fan. Next week is looking like the point of no return; either the strike is settled by next Friday thereabouts, or that's it for the season, period. If it hasn't come to that point already.
Nov. 23, 2007, 8:27 p.m. CST
you saw the words season finale, not series finale? hmm, because with cutting and pasting i read <br> <br>"I don’t know if it’ll ever see the light of day on the network. And it is…in some ways, it could very much be the series finale." <br> <br> granted that doesnt mean it HAS to be the series finale , but it doesnt make it seem like too much of a stretch.
Nov. 23, 2007, 8:29 p.m. CST
effin with shows on SciFi and NBC primetime--they will treat a good show like Journeyman in this way, but be giving a crapfest like Bionic a total overhaul and a second chance. Why not give a chance to a show that does NOT NEED an Overhaul?<p>And screwing the fans by refusing to air the 12th is just Fox-cloned behavior
Nov. 23, 2007, 8:43 p.m. CST
for being complete and utter dicks. This is a show that can grow on people with some love and care from you execs. However... you dicks want people to support a new freakin AMERICAN GLADIATORS? REALLY? Get the fuck out here and pick up JOURNEYMAN AND LIFE! PICK THEM UP -- YOU YOKELS!
Nov. 23, 2007, 9 p.m. CST
It makes you wonder what in God's name happens to Suits when they sit perched in their corner office for so long. PEOPLE! Sometimes you just need to stop counting barrels of beans and remember what its like to be a good, decent human being. What you think is business sense isn't always common sense or make any sense. In the grand scheme of things is one show going to throw the entire universe out of balance? Don't make yourself out to be that stupid F@#$ that everyone around you would say you are behind your back. Let them say "Well, they canceled a good show but at least they had the decency to end it properly."
Nov. 23, 2007, 9:12 p.m. CST
...I'd just like to reiterate something that's said by Kevin Falls several times during the course of the interview that we need to remember: the show ain't canceled. Yes, it COULD be. But NBC has not dropped that bomb yet, and, per Mr. Falls, they are most assuredly watching the numbers at the moment. So if you love the show, if you like the show, if you've even just heard good things about the show, TUNE IN ON MONDAY...and tell everyone you know to do the same thing. (Particularly those with the last name Nielsen.)
Nov. 23, 2007, 9:22 p.m. CST
I don't watch the show but the claims that NBC has no room for one more episode is compete and utter bullshit. Just as one example, they have been running a ridiculously padded two hour episode of "The Biggest Loser" every week. Trim that to one hour one time and boom, there's your slot. Since that is on Tuesdays part one and part two could run on consecutive nights. Easy enough.
Nov. 23, 2007, 9:36 p.m. CST
Seeing as how your network is famous for pre-maturely (and inexplicably) cancelling quality shows with cult followings that go on for years after you cancel them, while keeping the most retarded trash imaginable on your schedule, why don't you guys take a moment of introspection and consider unreliable your judgement is in these matters, and actually listen to the people that watch your dipped-in-shit network?
Nov. 23, 2007, 9:47 p.m. CST
by El Scorcho
Nov. 23, 2007, 9:52 p.m. CST
by Prof. Pop-Cult
I'm totally baffled as to why NBC continues to put so much effort into re-re-revamping BW. Is Zucker sleeping with its star or what?
Nov. 23, 2007, 10 p.m. CST
They're driving one the best shows one TV off the air, while trying to pull one of the worst shows on TV out of the crapper...That's pretty lame.
Nov. 23, 2007, 10:11 p.m. CST
by The Outlander
When will they learn that they annoy and frustrate viewers when they do this sort of thing, which results in viewers being less likely to commit to new shows. Don’t they understand that there is more value in a series with some kind of a finally than a series that ends on a cliffhanger.
Nov. 23, 2007, 10:14 p.m. CST
Nov. 23, 2007, 10:19 p.m. CST
by The Outlander
What are the odds that it will end up on there?
Nov. 23, 2007, 10:33 p.m. CST
I quit around episode 3 but have been downloading them, but i mean COME ON, Journeyman is SOOOO MUCH BETTER. If there is no room, Life and Bionic should be your first options. Or if you really want to wrap up these half seasons before starting new half seasons in January, how about taking an hour from a show like Deal or No Deal that doesn't have a plot? There are so many solutions to this it's disgusting. At LEAST air it on SciFi like Outlander said, hell do a SciFi Marathon over Christmas ending with the new episode, that'll get the name out there. Put the finale after The Tin Man finale. Like COME ON NBC!! You are not ABC or FOX, don't fuck over your fans.
Nov. 23, 2007, 10:44 p.m. CST
Can somebody please explain to me how this show gets tagged with the "derivative" label because its premise is somewhat similar to that of one show that aired 15 years ago? Say, if it were a show about cops, or lawyers, or doctors, would it be derivative then?
Nov. 23, 2007, 10:58 p.m. CST
All right-thinking people will give the JOURNEYMAN a chance and love it eventually.
Nov. 23, 2007, 10:59 p.m. CST
"How typical". The show is not raking in the bucks, so they want to kill it, even tho the network is about to run out of stuff to show. When does that make sense?
Nov. 23, 2007, 11:56 p.m. CST
by vic g
who gives a fuck? this show sucks donkey balls
Nov. 23, 2007, 11:59 p.m. CST
If, to you, this show sucks, then you've seen little of the show. So, what makes you an expert to comment on it? Nothing. You choose to remain ignorant.
Nov. 24, 2007, midnight CST
by Bill Clay
Didn't say I hated Journeyman. I just didn't find it compelling enough to keep watching. If The Office was too derivative of WKRP, I wouldn't be watching that show either. But The Office brought something new to the genre and caught my interest. Sadly, Journeyman just seemed to be a rehash IMHO.
Nov. 24, 2007, 12:01 a.m. CST
Hell no! Any idiot thinking after one episode that Journeyman is the same as all the other time-shows before it simply has no clue what they're talking about and limited vision. In the past there has been Time Tunnel, Voyagers! and Sliders to name a few all that did the same thing with the genre by having the main characters stuck in a different time for 45 minutes every week unable to return home etc etc. Journey man takes on the genre in a way not done before and a lot more maturely too. He not only travels backwards in time but he comes back home always to face the consequences of his absence which considering the amount of times he leaps in every episode both backwards and forwards; is not an easy thing to tackle. The show has many under laying sub-plots that make it far more intriguing than any other Time show before it and is far better performed in terms of acting than any of them too. Anyone trying to nail it down as a "been there done that" variation of the same theme crap after one episode or even 2 or 3, is about as narrow minded as those studio execs at NBC! (who by the way suck royal sweaty balls for uncharted stupidity!)
Nov. 24, 2007, 12:09 a.m. CST
...isn't true. They're still promoting Journeyman.
Nov. 24, 2007, 12:09 a.m. CST
...that's all I can say.
Nov. 24, 2007, 12:21 a.m. CST
I probably sound like a broken record in these TalkBacks, but I felt the SAME WAY after the first episode. Hell, I felt the same after Three of them. But something happened. It pulled me back in. Which is SO rare. And I guess that's all I ask, if this show can get saved somehow. If you watched and bailed, at least give it a chance to pull you back in. There's an honest-to-goodness story arc here, and things are a hell of a lot more interesting than they appeared to be on the surface early on.
Nov. 24, 2007, 12:23 a.m. CST
I stopped watching after the third episode for this very reason. I liked the show, I enjoyed watching it. But I had a very bad feeling that NBC would treat the viewers like this and pull the rug out before any resolution could be found. No room? Are they serious?! Seems like there will be nothing but room and they will play nothing but reality crap.
Nov. 24, 2007, 12:39 a.m. CST
by jimmy rabbitte
...I didn't bother getting into the show in the first place. NBC doesn't give shows a chance to get a following. They're just going to try and coast on (tired out) shows like ER for another 5 years...
Nov. 24, 2007, 1:14 a.m. CST
again, FUCK YOU!!!
Nov. 24, 2007, 1:19 a.m. CST
Show had a good pilot, then floundered for weeks with bad stories, plot holes and character inconsistencies.<p>I stuck with it because, well, I like background noise while I play online poker. And it really has gotten good in the last few weeks. Dan finally standing up to his brother, the mysterious "think-tank" guy, the FBI guy, Olivia...it's all coming together. If only they could have started stronger maybe people would have watched.<p> Note to future writers (and poker players) a slow play only works if people stick around. Better to hit the ground running with your strongest ideas.
Nov. 24, 2007, 1:23 a.m. CST
I mean, this is it for you? This is what riles you up? I can see when people get upset over some cancellations...Arrested Development, Deadwood, Firefly...hell, even John from Cincinnatti.<p>But you're choosing to make your stand with JOURNEYMAN?!!?! <p>lol, ok, whatever floats your boat.
Nov. 24, 2007, 2:07 a.m. CST
"But it’s…what makes us so frustrated is that, at a time when writers are striking and networks need programming, why on earth would you not find a place for Episode 12? And that’s the question for which nobody seems to have an answer.". That's truly pathetic on NBC's part. Fresh episodes of scripted shows will be nil by next month. Give it a chance, for god's sake.
Nov. 24, 2007, 2:07 a.m. CST
by Akira Cowabunga
Bites the dust. They should just start calling these things miniseries, that way we wouldn't be as disappointed when they are hacked halfway or less through a season.
Nov. 24, 2007, 2:10 a.m. CST
by Akira Cowabunga
Are you actually serious with that stupid question? I don't care if DVDs are in abundance, I care that there will be no more new episodes! I can only watch the same episodes so many times, fella. Maybe you're happy with watching the same Firefly episodes over and over again but I want new episodes, you idiot. Get a fucking clue.
Nov. 24, 2007, 2:49 a.m. CST
by Napoleon Park
But I think watching three episodes of a show I didn't enjoy was more than fair.<p>Networks cancel shows with poor ratings all the time, it's just business as usual.<p>And just ask Night Stalker, Wonderfalls, Greg the Bunny, etc. - holding back "unaired episodes" helps boost DVD sales. As does ending on part one of a two parter.
Nov. 24, 2007, 3:26 a.m. CST
Well, I'll just rent them on Netflix or download them if they do that; play dirty tricks and I don't give you my money.
Nov. 24, 2007, 3:32 a.m. CST
If JM has to be cancelled, then cancel BW also. That would be my only reconciliation...........Fuck NBC..........
Nov. 24, 2007, 4:12 a.m. CST
You have made my Christmas season complete!! One down, one to go! Cancel "Deal or No Deal" and I'll be a lifelong viewer!!
Nov. 24, 2007, 6:10 a.m. CST
Action <br> He-Man and the Masters of the Universe<br> Boston Public<br> Boston Legal<br> Boston Common<br> Perfect Strangers<br> Bionic Six<br> Centurions<br> C.O.P.S.<br> Camp Candy<br> Little Rosie<br> Life with Louie<br> Eight is Enough<br> Gimme a Break!<br> The Black Donnellys<br> Jake 2.0<br> My Secret Identity<br> ProStars<br> Visionaries: Knights of the Magical Light<br> Inhumanoids<br> Silverhawks<br> Marvel Action Universe<br> X-Men Evolution<br> Freaks and Geeks<br> Line of Fire<br> Undeclared<br> Chuck Norris: Karate Kommandos<br> <P> <br> The list goes on ...
Nov. 24, 2007, 7:42 a.m. CST
Jeff Zucker's blood!<p>I'm bringing TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION to that guy!
Nov. 24, 2007, 8:27 a.m. CST
Why not just repeat the episodes again in the new year ? And just claim they're the redux versions or something....
Nov. 24, 2007, 8:42 a.m. CST
That's why it gets no love at NBC while Bionic Woman is an in-house product and will stay alive. Same as Scrubs which is ABC.<p>The issue brought up about do cop, lawyer, and medical shows count as remakes, why yes they do. CSI: Miami = Hawaii Five-0. Criminal Minds = THE FBI. Grey's Anatomy = Ben Casey or Dr. Kildare. ER = Emergency. Private Practice = Marcus Welby M.D. Desperate Housewives = Knots Landing. Law and Order = Dragnet. Two and a half Men = The Odd Couple. The Practice = The Defenders. CSI: NY = Streets of San Francisco. And yes I watched way too much TV as a child.----later-----m
Nov. 24, 2007, 8:43 a.m. CST
They could have easily taken off some other shows I enjoy, like 30 Rock, The Office, and FNL which had or still have low ratings. I love JM, but no one else seems to, and NBC has to make a decision like they probably did with their other low rated shows. It truly is a great show, even with its slow start. I hope NBC realized they have a gem here and keeps it around.
Nov. 24, 2007, 9:07 a.m. CST
by Charlie Murphy
i love learning about the inner workings of shows. it's a shame this show hasn't caught on. as much as i'd like to hope we'll see a full season, i really doubt it.
Nov. 24, 2007, 10:33 a.m. CST
by Johnny Smith
That's all there is to it.
Nov. 24, 2007, 10:53 a.m. CST
if this so is cancelled and epsiodes not shown. I'm that mad i'll do it. this weeks epsiode was fantatic. made it happen people support the show and watch! just as a question does csi have less epsisodes left to show then journeyman?
Nov. 24, 2007, 11:32 a.m. CST
Keep this show on NBC. It's called DVR and Journeyman is definitely one of the biggest watches on DVR. KEEP IT ON!
Nov. 24, 2007, 11:35 a.m. CST
We need to gather as many of us as possible in one space in real time before Monday nights episode. Please spread the word, and post this link on other boards that may be interested: http://boards.nbc.com/nbc/index.php?showtopic=776949 Bring your ideas, information and determintion. If the link doesn't come through, go to the Journeyman board at imdb or nbc.com
Nov. 24, 2007, 11:51 a.m. CST
I will be pissed if at least the two parter ending does not air. At least put it up at website.
Nov. 24, 2007, 12:13 p.m. CST
by Prof. Pop-Cult
So worst case scenario: The unaired episodes might be offered for sale on iTunes and streamed on MySpace. It doesn't look like they would air on television, unless SciFi (owned by NBC/Universal) is willing to pay broadcast rights to re-air the entire run.
Nov. 24, 2007, 12:28 p.m. CST
by optimus plump
i live in the UK and have to download all these shows otherwise id be waiting forever to see them ( our TV still hasnt even finished season one of heroes yet for fucks sake) i gotta say im pissed that iv wasted all my valuable internet hours downloadin a show i'll never get to see the end of.....i was still smart enough to not bother downloadin bionic woman though!
Nov. 24, 2007, 1:03 p.m. CST
Saving the episode that answers everything for the DVDs, should move more sets, which should be a bigger cash cow than the show anyways, and will also be a way for NBC to pay less residuals.</br></br>Or else it is more of a publicity stunt, hoping to get some free publicity from angry fans, like the story of Blackwater...um, I mean Jericho. Amazing that they will soon be out of scripted shows entirely and they can't find room at any time, ever, not even on a cable subsidiary, to air the conclusion to a show they do have time to air the first part of. Again, this is why people are giving up on TV in droves. This will be the same strategy FOX will use on the next Whendon show. Is anyone still on the side of the studios over the writers???
Nov. 24, 2007, 1:44 p.m. CST
meaning it was local channels making the scheduling decisions, not the network. As for Journeyman, I think after Lost frustrated so many people, viewers have become less patient with sci-fi shows. As was said above, they needed to start the reveal earlier. Plus, a lot of the dialogue was just flat. Way too much telling instead of showing -- "oh, by the way, I conveniently forgot to tell you this poker game is really important. If I had remembered to tell you that earlier, we wouldn't have a third act."
Nov. 24, 2007, 1:46 p.m. CST
JOURNEYMAN kicked into gear about two episodes ago and is finally starting to realize its potential, however... given those ratings you can't blame NBC if they pull the plug. I'm amazed they left it on through the sweeps. On the other hand this series would be perfect for the Sci-Fi network. At least to burn off any unaired episodes. (That reminds me - side-note to Sci Fi Network: Amanda Tapping is out of place and wasted on Stargate: Atlantis. The show seems completely out of whack. Bring back Higginson.)
Nov. 24, 2007, 2:34 p.m. CST
When it comes to the resumed cotract talks in the strike? As in if the thing isn't settled by next weekend, that WILL be it for a long, long time?<p> Your opinions, then, as I think the fork in the road has been reached. Settle it next week, or it will be like the NHL's scuttled season a few years back.
Nov. 24, 2007, 3:03 p.m. CST
Glad they're getting rid of this different show and putting the 20th incarnation of "Law & Order" back. "Law & Order" is great! I like how it's all the same...week end and week out. I enjoy that even though you've seen one you've pretty much seen them all, you can still sit down and go into daze and it's all the same. It's comforting. It's also nice to know if you miss a week of the 12 or so "Law & Order" shows that I didn't really miss anything at all, since they're all the same.
Nov. 24, 2007, 3:09 p.m. CST
by Fireball XL-5
You forgot "Manimal"
Nov. 24, 2007, 3:41 p.m. CST
to walk into the NBC offices and slap them to the ground. It would be just like the TWBB trailer, only more satisfying. Failing that, Javier Bardem could show up with an air tank.
Nov. 24, 2007, 5:49 p.m. CST
...Clash of the Choirs to look forward to!!! COME ON! It's kind of like Clash of the Titans, but with REAL CHURCH CHOIRS!!! Bullshit.<p> Arm them and drop them off on a deserted island and I might watch.
Nov. 24, 2007, 5:50 p.m. CST
...JM is still in the promo rotation, so an important part of the original rumor is not true. Yet.
Nov. 24, 2007, 8:20 p.m. CST
I have been chanting that for a few weeks now. Screw NBC! I hope the CW does more business and NBC goes down in flames!
Nov. 24, 2007, 9:01 p.m. CST
Fuck you NBC. Fuck you studios. Fucking give the writers what they want because if we have to watch more of the BIGGEST LARDASS the networks are indeed dead in the water...and you deserve to be. Fuck you.
Nov. 24, 2007, 9:02 p.m. CST
Nov. 24, 2007, 9:37 p.m. CST
I've watched this show from the get go. Like it a heck of a lot. Not up there with LOST, and I prefer Heroes over it, but it is my number 3 show. With all the crap on TV, they can't leave this on? I know its all ratings/numbers etc. Maybe put it on NBC run SciFi otherwise. But please give it a chance.
Nov. 25, 2007, 12:05 a.m. CST
Seriously is this a show?
Nov. 25, 2007, 2:17 p.m. CST
unless Moronic Removal from same is going to be a Last Minute Idiocy
Nov. 25, 2007, 3:59 p.m. CST
I'm sure NBC put this series on their sched because they were looking for intelligent Sci-Fi adventure shows like Heroes, Well, sorry to say Heroes ain't even CLOSE to Heroes season one right now(probably a main reason why they're ending it early- they really didn't HAVE to- they WANTED to), and Journeyman is the kind of intelligent drama that unfolds, much like an onion, in that sometimes you have to watch a few eps to realize the bigger picture. Unfortunately most execs are not that patient, unless like they mentioned above, they actually OWN the show and are willing to invest the time, energy, and patience for it to build an audience. So, this show will go the way of Twin Peaks and Firefly, going over the heads of the execs and the infantile, and selling like nuts on DVD as folks pray that their investment of money and time pay-off in a nice little DVD packaged bow. I hope the production company gets the lionshare of the money from the DVD and not the network! NBC dropped, or is dropping, the ball on this one folks. If you would bother to take the time to WATCH each episode each one is a small step to a bigger staricase. Granted it WAS a slow start, but I can see it WAS going to be one long and well crafted staircase! NBC wants to give-up on this and yet back more of the same crap they always do- if they don't want to try to save or reschedule the program to try to gain more veiwership (since it IS opposite the POWERHOUSE of CSI Miami- clearly the Batman camp classic of the decade!)- again, it's THEIR call. I wouldn't have watched this show if I hadn't seen 2 eps back-to-back that I had recorded, now their own network site doesn't offer all the eps for veiwing online- they've clearly given up, and that's sad. On the bright side. those of us that have seen the show for the gem that it is will have a nifty DVD set to give as gifts for the next few years to our fellow sci-fi "geeks" of another great show that the nets had no idea how to handle (like Twin, like Firefly, like Miracles, like Wonderfalls, like Profit...et all). Hurray for us!
Nov. 25, 2007, 7:07 p.m. CST
Nov. 25, 2007, 9:34 p.m. CST
NBC Universal is really moronic if they cancel *Journeyman* and give the slot to *Life*. *Life* has to be the most gawdawfulboring show to debut this season. Terrible decision. You'd think NBC would show the episodes of *Journeyman* also on SciFi but perhaps they only feel compelled to do this if the series is also produced by NBC Universal.
Nov. 25, 2007, 10:02 p.m. CST
If I like a show but the ratings aren't good enough, I understand they'll cancel it. BUT, to air 11 episodes and not the "final" 12th just blows.
Nov. 25, 2007, 10:26 p.m. CST
Nov. 25, 2007, 10:35 p.m. CST
from the moment in the pilot when he digs up the ring and says "I'll always come back." I'm a bit behind on my DVRd episodes but I really want this show to make it. I'm not holding my breath, though. Between these kind of bonehead studio moves, the strike, and the recent crackdowns on bittorrent sites (even the comics ones), I'm getting more and more embittered about corporate entertainment. I really think things need to change in a serious overhaul kind of way with these industries. The old way is dying but rich fat cats keep on trying to apply the paddles.
Nov. 26, 2007, 7:30 a.m. CST
by just pillow talk
I knew you would flock to this show Orcus. :-)<p>And oh yes, fuck you NBC pricks.
Nov. 26, 2007, 9:04 a.m. CST
Although, I think he could be a great Eleventh Doctor on DOCTOR WHO after David Tennant leaves.
Nov. 26, 2007, 10:10 a.m. CST
if they go through with this. Oh, and Bionic Woman, though I have tried desperately to like it, is utter garbage. How they make the lead character on that show completely unlikable is beyond belief.
Nov. 26, 2007, 10:30 a.m. CST
...and I'd just like to thank the studios and the writers for ripping each other apart. My need for TV wasn't healthy, and I've already started doing other things with my life before even having too (given that we still have new content to watch). It's like, all the Hollywood antics have finally gotten to me and I just don't care anymore. My thank you was not sarcastic. Oh, I'll still watch my favorite shows (albeit with less zeal), but you've finally taught me (took long enough) not to bother with any of the new stuff or to even care so much when shows I like (like this) get canceled and crap like Bionic Woman will go on for years. And knowing that I'm about to be going nine months without any new TV is oddly liberating. I will gloat over the devastation this strike will bring to both sides. Both sides deserve to lose.
Nov. 26, 2007, 11:20 a.m. CST
by Ninja Nerd
Geez....Journeyman is an intelligent time travel show, which is pretty much oxymoronic, and NBC decides to wipe their collective asses with it. The same network that ran Quantam Leap for what seem like FOREVER (pun intended). The last two seasons or so, they introduced the "Evil Leaper" and had a brief handle on something that might have been compelling. JM has covered much more ground and is heading into some interesting territory, with a strike on no less, and the numbskulls in charge are clueless. Are they smoking peacock shit during breaks now?
Nov. 26, 2007, 12:02 p.m. CST
As far as the show is concerned, I thought it could've become something good over a second and third season, this first one was not great but it was good (Looked liked a revmap of Quantum Leap - Thanks Ninja Nerd for the reminder).<P>I still think that they should at least air the last show, I mean I hate it when they do that. If not on tv, at least put it up on the site so we can see it.<P>I have not been impressed this year with the new shows, I mean some were good but not great. Moonlight seems to be getting better, Reaper will be a favorite for a while, but I still don't see the BIG HIT yet.<P>Too bad they started cancelling shows way too fast it the past couple of years. At least let the damn thing end, give us the answers we want to know. And why this show and not Life???<P>I mean isn't that just another kind of CSI: Miami?? The guy even acts like that idiot Caruso, he seems to have the same poses, the same BIG one liner that makes the show go in a direction execpt he says it in the middle of the show instead of the start of the show. But in all, it's just another copy of another show.<p>If they cancel Journeyman, I think they should also cancel Life.
Nov. 26, 2007, 12:58 p.m. CST
it means they are going to cancel it too. NBC will never learn, no matter what they put on Monday at 10, it will get killed by CSI Miami. Just accept you will not win the timeslot and let those of us who are watching continue to watch. <p>For those who think it will be released on DVD, think again. There is no guarantee. Network probably has projections on how many DVDs will sell based on ratings and might not think it will be worth it. After all, where is the Daybreak dvd, or Eyes, or Reunion, or Blind Justice, or Justice, or Hawaii, or LAX (just to name a few recent season 1 cancelled shows, good or bad)?
Nov. 26, 2007, 1:01 p.m. CST
the NBC show at 10pm continue to watch" is what I meant to type.
Nov. 26, 2007, 1:09 p.m. CST
by tha plow
Nov. 26, 2007, 1:35 p.m. CST
I hate you NBC. What a smart, smart show. Chuck looks to be good tonight as well...
Nov. 27, 2007, 9:43 a.m. CST
to get this show saved? Love this show. It gets better every week.
Nov. 27, 2007, 10:59 a.m. CST
by Automaton Overlord
So, I gave Journeyman another chance, based on the what I heard in some of these talkbacks. It really has improved a lot, too bad the episode I watched last night wasn't the first episode. It would probably be doing better with the ratings. Although I still think the show has only itself to blame. Pretty much every one agrees that the first three or four episodes were kind of boring, only after which, it found it's mark. Honestly that's some pretty bad odds. When many of the shows active supporters believe that 40% of it's run isn't very good. I hope they bring it back for a second season though. what it really needs is a fresh start, now that it's finaly delivering. </p> The problem is, to enjoy time-travel stories you need to get in on the ground-floor. I'm not suprised Journeyman is haveing trouble winning people back. The other day I watched Back To The Future part two, and tried to imagine not haveing seen the first one. It's amazingly bizare. If somehow the first one had never been made, Back To The Future II would be one of the weirdest most incomprehensible post-modern art films of all time. </p> Anyway I feel your pain, Journeyman devotees, I was fighting mad when Arrested Development was canceled, But in the end we've all got to suffer at the handsof the Neilson-box families and their lowest common denominator tastes.
Nov. 27, 2007, 2:59 p.m. CST
I've been forcing the little woman to watch this one with me. she didn't hate it, but she certainly didn't love it. she turned a corner with the last two episodes and she credits the character development of the brother. she wanted to see him in a more positive light, and that finally happened. too bad we may not get to see that character grow more. :(
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