Bruce Wayne is John Connor!!!

Massive

McG cast someone good?..Well, yeah. He didn't do a bad job either with Charlie's Angels..

Should be deep and dark.

Must be lies ?

...is great news. Was pretty disappointed with T3. I wanted to love, but... well... I didn't.

Doesn't make any sense.

He must have liked what he read.

...perfect.

Buying my tix now...

nd your head--

The stranget actor/director combo since the diabolical Schumacher/Hopkins/Rock triangle of Bad Company. Who'll win out in this confrontation? I guess Bale is going to be lobbying to get McG replaced, thus saving the franchise and notching up another classic role. Yay!

Doesn't Christian Bale have better franchises to reboot?

I thought he was gonna say that the guy from Terminator 3 was gonna play Batman in Justice League and What's with the word "reboot"? I thought it was gonna be a direct sequel to first 3

If this is true...yippee!

"Wait, John, what are you doing with that chainsaw and bat cowl? John? JOOOHNNNNNNNNNN!!! ARRGGH!! WHAT ARE YOU CHAINSAWING INTO? IS IT MY TORSO?! IT IS!! MY PRECIOUS, PRECIOUS TORSO!!"

Not too impressed with McG after the second Charlie's Angels movie...loves the first one, and the series Fastlane. But Bale as an adult John Conner? talk about getting the biggest badass to portray the biggest badass!

I now have complete FAITH in McG! Everyone...including me who was bad mouthing you should now bow down to you G man because that is AWESOME casting. Please get ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER to commit! Hell, you got his PLANET HOLLYWOOD partner Demi Moore for CHARLIES ANGELS 2!

Why in the fuck is Christian Bale working with this FUCKING HACK?? Isn't he making enough money from the Batman movies? Christian, this is FUCKING BENEATH YOU.

to sign on to a project that has every chance to suck unwiped ass. On the other hand, this might mean that there is a faint hope that the TERMINATOR BEGINS (again) will not end up to be the steaming pile of buffalo shit that McG almost guarantees for.

I decree that the ubiquitous Christian Bale is no longer the fanboy's favorite. We must find another.

...it'll be harder to tell which character is the robot.

Who thinks this is a load of crap. There's NO WAY Bale would agree to star in the THIRD sequel of a franchise. Batman Begins was a reboot, so I don't consider that a sequel to the 90's Batman movies. I call this guy's bluff. Bale is NOT going to be John Connor. Waaaay too good to be true.

get the fuck outta here!

I wasn't expecting that. Why would he want to work with McG?

You could resurrect Laurence Olivier, Marlon Brando, and James Dean and stick them in 'T4' but its still a movie directed by McG, and its still a Terminator movie without Ahnuld. This seems like such an obvious fanboy baiting move, you can just picture a studio exec saying "Hey, let's cast Christian Bale, all the nerds like him, right? Then they'll all be behind this film!". And sadly, it seems to have worked. Maybe next they'll put Simon Pegg in it and it'll be the AICN movie of the year.

Tell me that Christian Bale is in a romantic comedy where he actually smiles (without the character either faking it or being batshit insane) and THEN I'll be surprised.

Bale has more taste than to work on a Terminator sequel with McG.

"WHAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!!!" Get the fuck outta here, indeed.

very odd...for christian to jump on board a sinking franchise? but better than eddie furlong, who hasn't aged into an ass kicker....hasn't really aged at all.

...for sniffing out decent projects versus stinkers. Therefore, I call bullshit on this as well. Either that, or Bale has lost his sense of smell.

This means there is no way Arnold will be in the movie, no big stars as the Terminator, no big stars as supporting characters except for Claire Daines (maybe).. They need a big name for an Iconic character... The character of John Connor has been with us for 25 years now and I can't be more pleased to have it portrayed the way it deserves to be portrayed, by a strong MAN... Not whinny ass douche from T2, and not scrawny ass Nick Stahl (although I like his acting but not right for T3)! Bale can power through ANY bad director, he's that talented.. This is truly COOL news.

just saw Bale in Rescue Dawn last night, great stuff. Saw him last week in 3:10 to Yuma and i LOVE American Pyscho!

Why would Bale sign on for this crap? Might be cool if they get Arnold, Michael Biehn, Linda Hamilton, and Robert Patrick all to come back.

bale with a mullet would make a great solid snake. Which is ironic because Mike Biehn was the SNAKE character model for one of the old METAL GEAR cartridge/box designs...

I wish they would have had Micheal Biehn playing John Connor, and Edward Furlong playing Kyle Reese. That would have been badass! Or not.

The Sarah Conner Chronicles? It's supposed to air with the woman who played Gorgo from 300 as Sarah Connor. On tv this spring or some crap. I like parts (especially the downer ending) of T3, but that too-long chase scene was just lame in that movie. Not gonna top the Semi coming over the overpass in T2. Not gonna do it.

Bale kicks ass, but McG? The two Charlie's Angels films were terrible. But maybe if the script is great he can deliver.

'Nuff said.

JC isn't really seen in the new film. That's all I can say.

is john connor going to send some Biehn look-alike back in time? who would that be? Biehn's too old and rough now to pull off his 80's self by a long shot. Also- how the hell does the terminator series fit in to the universe...the chronicles of mom and young john's hijinx with other terminators....yet in 3 there is no mention of any adventures or problems since T2.

I guarantee you that's wrong. Guarantee it.

While they're talking to Bale about being the character that is not John Connor, they're just talking to him. Nothing is 100%

the 'new' batman armie fucking hammer is john connor....who the hell names their kid after baking soda? Armie Hammer. good thing he's 'handsome' 'cause his name is a joke.

Oh, that's right. He grew up to be a loser.

Just because BALE is in doesn't mean Arnie is out..yet! Imagine Arnie as a soldier along with BALE in the future wars. Could be a great new trilogy. Also, I think T4, T5 and T6 should all have new filmmakers with each installment...like McG for T4, Verhoeven for T5 and McTiernan for T6.

I think I'm ready to pull for this movie. Maybe..JUST maybe, McG will surprise us. Maybe this will be the film where he actually TRIES to make a great film. This casting certainly is off to a great start. I'll be keeping my eyes on this for sure.

Bale lisps on the terminator and short circuits the poor thing. Boy, that would make for a really short movie although quite funny!

...the flesh of the terminators have to be based off of (or hell- cloned) off of some model. it would be cool if ARNIE was a soldier of connor's, and is one of the few that are captured (alive or dead) intact enough for skynet to use as a template. Cloning would also explain how the arnie-terminators would look younger than ARNIE if he were to appear as a soldier in this film today. skynet has the technology to advance the growth of the host/flesh/clone to whatever they want. The whole original point of the fleshed robots was infiltration, after all.

jeez, are some people here soo easy to please?? its still MCG the guy who directed charlies angels and No Arnod schwarzenegger who IS the terminator. and nw they get christian bale that all the ids love oooh ahhh now we love it... this movie will be a disaster..

that's a good idea i just had. they never really explained or went too deep into the flesh/over metal thing other than to say that the machines could not travel through time without being encased in flesh- a law which was pretty much busted when they sent back the liquid terminator and the terminatrix.

According to the original T2 script, there are only 10 of each "look", hence the "Model 101", when Arnold describes himself. So, there are 10 of "Model 102" "103", etc., each with a different look, both male and female.

I wouldn't let McG shoot me taking a dump, okay? And Christian Bale actually has something to lose by trusting that fuckwad with his career. I just can't see Bale jumping on board what's sure to be a colossal shitstorm of wasted time, money, and potential. Unless he's secretly a HUGE Terminator fan and just can't resist the chance to be in a movie - even one destined to suck massive amounts of ass - I can't honestly picture him saying, "Another movie in the dead horse franchise of Terminator? Directed by McG? Oh, fuck yeah! I'm in, baby!"

then either this script is damn good or McG can talk a good game. Bale seems a little too good for this project but in the absence of Arnie, the franchise needs a strong John Conner to hang on to and if it's true then I'm there.

i seriously can't see bale going ANYWHERE near this film!

if they would bother to explain the why's and how's of fleshing a terminator, they may as well say that captured or killed people ( a certain few important or good physical specimens) were used to clone the flesh or provide the template for each of those models. I mean how does an evil machine just put meat on a fucking robot?

yeah that would be great, if it we're still 1984.. Have you seen Arnold lately? He looks like the Terminators grandfather... Because of his heart, he can't work out anymore.... His body without a shirt on probably looks like deflated fat bastard from Austin Powers 3.. No Way Arnold is going to be in this.. We're not talking about Professor X and Magneto playing themselves 15 years ago, we're talking about a 50 something old guy needing to look like he did 25 years ago and shirtless.. Not going to happen.

As himself.

Still, seems like McG (sigh) is aiming a little high.

Why do some of you guys think Arnie is not involved? Until we read that Governor Schwarzenegger has turned down the film, then there is a chance McG and the producers are smart enough to hold on to the one person that fans would line up around the world to see return in his iconic role. Besides KING CONAN, Arnie can play the older BAD ASS soldier that his T-800 model is based on in the sequels. Arnie as a kick ass/ take no names bad ass is where the story should go. But I would still love to see Arnie play a evil killer robot in T4!

They could have Biehn playing Kyle Reese with that same de-ageing crap they pulled in X-Men 3.

I'm the only one who doesn't hate Charlie's Angels. I'm a harsh critic, but for what they were, they were great. Granted, I was drunk with a bunch of friends when we rented the two movies, but it had hot girls, Tim Curry, Bill Murray, flying Demmi Moore (WTF?), Demmi Moore maiming Bruce Willis, good music and truly insane action sequences. The exact same tone and balls to the wall insanity that most people are missing from comic book movies. I think it depends on your expectations and state of mind when you watch it. (And I'm biased when it comes to McG for Supernatural. Best show nobody watches) Great casting, may not suck balls.

McG = meh Christian Bale = awesome McG + CB = DOES NOT COMPUTE!!!

the terminator series is grounded in a very 1980s conception of what a plausible future would be. Ask yourself: does it really make sense from our current perspective that an advanced, hostile networked AI would attack humanity by sending humanoid robots back in time? Instead of a bioengineered plague, a nanobot gray swarm, or really any sort of threat stemming from the technological trends at play now? Robots were cool in the 1980s; robot-monster threats are laughable now the same way that giant-atomic-insect threats have been laughable for decades. Leave the past behind.

have modern arnold in it now, as a grizzled old soldier of connor's, like a no.2 man or something. they don't even have to build his character- just establish it early on. then it's more tragic when old arnie gets killed/taken and is used to create (the younger- because it's lab grown meat) arnie terminator(s). They wouldn't even have to show any in action, just at the end or near the end of the flick, show cyberdine pressing out the first arnie-terminator...which could easily be done with effects of any sort today....setting up terminator one without having old arnie even have much screen time.

I'm a huge fan of Christian Bale, long before BATMAN BEGINS, and I don't need to see his good name sullied by a f*cking Terminator sequel to a sequel of a sequel... that's far removed from anybody that worked on it at the creative level since the beginning (i.e. James Cameron, Stan Winston, etc.). At this point Christian Bale doesn't GOTTA EAT, he's probably sitting pretty well financially. HE DOESN'T NEED TO WORK FOR F*CKING McG, THAT A$$CLOWN!!!!

Bale as Batman = boring.

The focus of this sequel should be BALE as Connor and Arnold's soldier character they based the TERMINATORS on. Thats a story the fans and Cameron would pay to see!

I think "McG" has a talented eye for the camera. And like I've said, I'm willing to give him a chance (to prove he's ready for such material). Let's give these gifted people some breathing room... and then see what happens.

I can't believe it.

Batman franchise, now Terminator? He needs a role in JJ's Trek and he'll be a fanboy wet dream forever.

Johnny Depp playing GAMBIT in Brett Ratner's X-MEN 4 ???

does anyone in the future with limited means,incapacitate and reprogram a terminator anyway? I mean, you pretty much have to DESTROY one to get it to keep from killing you....much less, have one so intact that you can send it back in time for T2 and haveit still look like arnie completely fleshed....does terminator flesh heal after a while? My only guess is John connor and crew have some electromagnetic pulse weapon that they must have only been able to use once in limited range...or else they'd have taken out skynet.

After Charlie Angels: Full Throttle he reinvented himself into Joseph McGinty Nichol, respected American director of such everyman fair as We Are Marshall. <p> Now, he is Bret Ratner without the coke habit... or not as much coke.

for writing in some plausibility into this hole-filled franchise. If any of you guys remember what i wrote here today when T4 comes out, and we see it on the screen, just remember that desperate screenwriters troll AICN for fanboys to provide ideas! :)

I'm also expecting a rapper and Paris Hilton (or is she past news already?) cast, to attract even more teendiots to this arnordless corpse of a "franchise".

Will be interesting who gets casted next. Guess no Claire Danes huh. Just Schwarzenegger and Bale should carry this film July 4th 2009 summer.

Yet they were still stuck in Brett Ratner's disastrous X3. BUT, those actors were under contract, so I suspect for Bale to jump on this project, something must've ticked him towards quality.

If not, Timothy Olyphant will do. Or maybe Woody Allen. He's even tougher than those two.

...would be scary as shit. she's got the cold acting thing down, and we all hate her, so why not?

But I still don't believe it yet. It's extremely shocking that Bale would work with him at this point considering Bale's current track record and taste of movies and directors.

Or am I stoned?

there is no way this would be really cool.

AHHHHHHHH! Did someone call Bale's Batman boring? WTF?

and remembered when they took out the borg by putting it on "sleep mode" (who knew the borg ran on windows 95?) I rekon they try a similar trick with the terminator robots. OH, btw, CB can pick a script, so unless any of you have actually seen and read the script, or even the fleshed out story line for that matter, I think I'll give Mr. Bale the benefit of the doubt. I may actually watch this now.

...because not all the Arnold models were activated. They talk about this in the original T2 script, as well. The resistance doods break into Skynet, just as the 1st T-800 is going back in time. The find the storage area, where there are 9 model 101s sitting there, unprogrammed, and they reprogram one, and send him back in time, right after Reese, only to a different time.

...who builds the factories and the machines that build the terminators anyway? at the end of T3, the world just got nuked. i could guess you could say that the survivors were enslaved to build things for skynet like the jews and the egyptians, but enslaved by what? in T3 all skynet was was the internet and a few military prototype hover gun things. that's where the story falls apart. how are they going to patch that gaping hole?

like babies when Bale was announced as Bruce Wayne. "Overrated" "Protected by God i.e. Spielberg" "too young" were some of the terms used. Now he's considered the savior of a McG movie. The times they have a changed indeed.

Make him John Connor...that makes perfect sense that he grows up to look like his daddy...plus he is fuckin great..I always wanted Jonny Ringo to beat the shit out of that fancy pants Val Kilmer anyway....

If McG wants a bit more respect, and his name on a Terminator film, then he should at least use his real fucking name.

You must be an educated man. Now I really hate ya. Doc Holiday was a boss in Tombstone. "I'm your huckleberry." Ringo was a coward, who only shot the un-armed priest.

Reese talks about this in T1. Rewatch the movies, brutha. Except T3. Just ignore that one...

for the part. No way Bale involves himself in something like this.

Everybody makes mistakes look at the england football team, T4 will sucks balls though

Now if only 'McG' would fuck off calling himself 'McG'

hahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha!!!!

I've never seen Christian Bale in an out and out shit movie, so I suddenly see a flicker of hope in this - IF IT'S TRUE. I'm gonna need to see something official or I'm filing this under 'Doubtful, but would indeed be very nice if it turned out to be true'.

I will suck a dick if this turns out to be true. You silly gooses.

but this is one of those times. i totally trust a Bale-driven Terminator movie unless it's setting out to be Newsies 2.

There is no truth to this at all. This is the stupidest rumor that you guys have ever run. Check your sources, because Bale is almost Day Lewis picky when it comes to film roles. I smell bullshit.

THE TERMINATOR, TERMINATOR 2: JUDGMENT DAY and TERMINATOR 3: RISE OF THE MACHINES were all hard R. With Christian Bale as Connor and this being a WAR movie, here's hoping TERMINATOR SALVATION: THE FUTURE begins is rated hard R! Common McG, get Arnie as a older soldier bad ass!

I've heard they're aiming for a- YUP, PG-13.

I was going to go see this twice without Christian Bale. I just plain love me some Terminator and McG's OC had perhaps the best first season of any prime-time soap EVER. But WITH Batman I may see it three times.

will be the best part of this otherwise mediocre film. Nothing else about this interests me at all.

WOW. THAT IS FUCKING SURPRISING IS ALL HELL FOR CASTING NEWS. Anyone who saw Rescue Dawn, picture Rescue Dawn 3000 years in the future = this shit is going to be awesome. GREAT TO SEE THE TERMINATOR FRANCHISE BACK ON ITS FEET AFTER THE LOUSY #3.

...I'm totally okay with this being Terminator 4/Newsies 2. Or Terminator 4/Newsies 2/Empire of the Son:Jaime Strikes Back.

Right, because Equilibrium and Reign of Fire were so good. Bale's made some mistakes before -- and I'm hoping this isn't one of them. (And would you people shut up about T3? It wasn't great or anything, but it was FUN.)

I LOVE Christian Bale, even his blockbuster roles are full of passion and I don't believe he ever does things just for the paycheck so I am incredibly shocked by this. Either he knows something we don't or he is getting ridiculous amount of money for this role. It's irritating as Bales involvement makes interested in the film again but I really do not want to watch a terminator film which doesn't involve Schwarzenegger.

Bale as the Terminator (if he's buffed out Begins style) would be okay. But still need to ditch the Mcghey.

Interesting fact, Arnold and Bale were going to star in REIGN OF FIRE at one point! Arnold was up for Matthew's role.

I don't know what neck of the woods you're from, but 'round these here parts Equilibrium is awesome cult flick that has plenty of fans. It was good, and Bale acted just fine in it.

My mind is seriously blown. And not necessarily in a good way. Christian Bale really wants to take on a Terminator film not done by James Cameron? Why? The best anyone will say about it is that it isn't as good as Terminator 1 and 2. I just cant understand why Bale would want to do this.

I am particularly fond of Reign of Fire. Yeah, not everyone likes those films but Bale was very good in them and I don't believe he did those films just for the money, they are distinctive.

Brother's gotta buy a new crib in London......

He wouldn't have declined the Justice League film. Him signing on for this can only mean that he knows something we don't and has faith in the project. McG is largely untested, this is the film that's going to define his career and I think he knows it.

Is it just me or is Bale someone that you wouldn't think of as somone playing John Connor at all, but now that it's been suggested, makes perfect fucking sense. I'll take it with a pinch of salt until it is confirmed, but if true, this is one hell of a piece of casting. Stahl is a damn good actor, but he was never the leader of the resistance we all wanted

Christian wouldn't sign on another franchise, especially one at the helm of a such a mediocre director.

This is all BS. Harry's read a few talkbacks complaining about the lack of "scoops" and that AICN just reports crap trailers and posters that other sites already have up weeks earlier............ and he decided to make up this "trusted source" that's never been wrong before and throw out this BS story for some fun. I'm curious as to what exactly this "source" was correct about before. Any answers Mr. Knowles, hmm?

These are actors who I will go see the movie just because they are in it: Christian Bale, Ed Norton, Jake Gyllenhall (spelled wrong, i know), Brad Pitt (what? he's good), Johnny Depp (didn't care much for the wonka thing), Anne Hathaway (just to look at her - acting is OK), Ewan Mc Greggor Meryl Streep Who else? (don't you dare say Tom Hanks, Tom Cruise, or Tommy Lee Jones or I'll throw ketchup packets at you!)

You can just wait until the casting is officially revealed and see if the scoop was right. But I know - it's more fun doing a "No way would Christian do this! He's not into money!" and then if he doesn't you can come back again and lambast Harry. And if Harry's source is right you can be silent because "Oh no, I can't say I was wrong."

An will become something of a cult classic as the years go on.

as the new terminator?:)

McG is directing, Cameron is not. End of story.

I never understood why all the termnators had to be big, muscular bastards. If someone like Robin Williams was cast, Connor wouldn't see the bullet destined for his head coming as he'd be laughing his ass off at the rubber faced gods antics

Why they hell would anyone want to see that old douche back as the Terminator or any other movie for that matter. They guy is past his time as an action star and he was never within his time as an serious acting talent. It has ALWAYS been my opinion that the Terminator and most of his movies were good despite him not because of him. Bale in it or not I would not pay to see another movie with The Damn Governator staring in it.

Luke: ...Noooooooooooo....That's impossible....

I won't have any problem saying that I'm wrong, but we won't have to cross that bridge. Forget the money, how as ACTOR, one whose worked with Chris Nolan on 3 of his last 5 films and co-starred with Steve Zahn, R.Crowe, M.Caine, M. Freeman, G. Oldman, and L. Neeson... could he even THINK of touching this limp-dick, Uwe Bowl-esque DTV piece of crap. It's Mc freakin G. Not gonna happen.

That's what I'm calling it from now on.

I should be the new Terminator model. The T240 lbs. I may be fat, balding and ugly but i can do the robot dance like you've never seen.

and i can act, which is more than schwarzennegger could ever do

musical choices in Charlie's Angels fit the job perfectly), and I like Bale as John, but I'm concerned about the villain for T-4. I know Aliens (speaking circumspectly of James Cameron)took the lone Alien idea and changed it successfully into a whole mess of Aliens, but another post-apocalyptic wasteland setting seems 80's sci-fi lame, and an army of metal-skeleton robots doesn't seem that cool to me. Losing the modern-day setting will be bad.

Christian Bale is fantastic, and it's very easy to picture him as John Connor (though they'll have to shoot a flashback showing how he got the lisp...) but McG is still in the chair so there are NO guarantees. It's all up in the air.

not Conner Harry. It sounds really good if Bale is gonna be Connor, who would have thought ?

Plus the character's name is JOHN CONNOR +

Why would Christian Bale associtate himself with this project, and this director?

<br> <br> The time is right and the technology is right to use motion capture and sophisticated, realistic-looking CG Arnold Terminator character. <br> While in office, the Governator can participate in his free time: <br> 1)Face computer scan- full range of facial reference. <br> 2)Motion capture to digitize the performance <br> 3)Audio recording session, Too Ket Da Raight Ah-nold Ak-sent. <br> If they will do a next Terminator movie, it’s got to have Arnold. <br> Arnie, if you’re reading AICN- YOU MUST DO T4!!!!! Do it now!!! Get to da Choppah- do it now!!! <br> <br>

That was funny, still laughing her.

no arnold, and mcdonalds is directing.

They're HALF right. Use your imagination.

There were times when I thought the man fell asleep in the damn ugly Bat suit. He was good in his latest war film Rescue Dawn, but in Batman, he was dead on film. You know this to be true.

Didn't care about this movie before, but now I'm fucking interested.

...but to most of america, terminator law and canon will come from the movies, not things that were detailed in the script but left out of the actual films. Biehn probably did mention the humans building the factories i guess...it's gonna be hard for people to wipe the glaring obstacle set up by 3 though. I'm up for anything, i suppose. Just entertain me.

Huh ? So what is it Harold ? Gotta say I also really like the idea of Bale as Terminator.

But can it save the film? I say... probably. Gotta love CB.

Seriously, this is so below Bale. I lose so much respect for the man if there is any truth to this.

Or else I don't care who you cast. I find it hard to believe that Bale would sign on to this at this stage.

-but 'being' the terminator is 'half right'. well, i imagine someone first designed the terminator. why design it skeletal and humanoid if every single one wasn't destined to be fleshed out for time travel or stealth work? you can't tell me bipedal gun holding units was the best thing skynet could come up with. Maybe Bale is the evil prick responsible for the whole thing. Creator of skynet or at least designer of something. Assumedly, the whole thing couldn't just come to consciousness on it's own, it had to be programmed to awaken like a virus. That would be a really crummy plot device though, and waste of Bale.

great news

Nope. Think more literally.

Or the Rise of McG!? <P>Let's hope it's the latter although I'd be really 'cited bout this if it were just about any other director out there.<P>Mc G Whiz this sound rather far fetched though!

that the guy supposedly responsible for much of skynet and the terminators was killed in T2, but i can't think what else 'half right' means in regards to bale being the terminator.....

some mix of man and machine? a guy with chips for brains, or an injured and rebuilt guy? hmmmmmmm...and all this so close to working with 'two face'....that's risky pidgeonholing area.

is christian bale! bored and typing on his laptop in a pub somewhere...ha ha

Stop hinting man give us something we can chew on!

...a top secret 'million dollar man' style project (aka Bale) is kept safe from the events of 3 but awakens to be the literal 'borg-queen' of skynet. ...omg i hope not.

for not wanting to be typecast as batman from this point on, and maybe doing so by jumping into another major action franchise....but to do so in a shaky or derailed 4th installment.....it's so crazy. So crazy it might work for him. Just hope he isn't a 'bionic man'. It was hinted he wouldn't have much screen time, right? i'm totally confused by this point. I think i'm going to go see the MIST now.

I was bored here on the set of Reign of Fire 2: We Fight More Than Two Dragons This Time.

theres more chance of me going back in time, assinating my own mother and hence stopping me from ever reading this complete bullshit than there is of Bail actually going through with this...stick with the dark night mate!

what were the time travel rules set up in the series? They could only go as far back as cyberdine existed? or the machine was made..or what? Time travel would be a more powerful weapon than just sending back an assassin could accomplish. but you can't go back to just destroy mankind- because then there's no machines or cyberdine. And if you can't find your enemy (JC), you go back to when they were weak and in the open (T2), or before they were born(1)...when you think about it, skynet trying to kill john connor throughout his life is what makes him strong enough to fight the resistance in the first place. So skynet's priority should have been to never go back in time and fuck with the connor family. Man, you could argue time travel for years :)

...they Skynet would have never been made. It's a classic paradox.

(message to T1 arnie from skynet)...do NOT attempt to terminate Sarah Connor. Since we are in the future, we know it does not work. Let the soldier that escaped our time and impregnate her rant about skynet- no one will believe him. Allow Sarah Connor to give birth to John Connor. your new mission is to befriend him and insure he has a fat, comfortable, safe and normal life. therefore he will not lead the human rebellion.............pfft!

no matter which way you look at it. and i hope any future installments really play with some of that time travel mindfuck that T2 encapsulated so nicely.

Great idea but I'll believe it when I see it.

i've heard and participated in the discussions before...which is why T3 was so unecessary, or in the wrong direction. it was like a tangent or alternate universe. so Gil, we just need some sort of evidence that 4 gets it back on track! dish out the morsels!

I just can't shake off the feeling that this film is going to be horrible.

where bale, wearing a speedo, washes a car and smears his man-boobies all over it. YESSS!

BUT i also don't believe bale is above taking on the occasional dogshit project to put dollars in the trust fund for his kid. OK, dogshit is a strong word - how about the current fave, 'meh'.

You're gonna have to wait a bit more. ;)

... Nick Stahl is well pissed. But Bale's involvement makes me think that there could be something to this movie. I'm willing to give McG a shot.

YES! YES! This is the best fucking news I've ever heard about when it comes to the Terminator series! Only one man can really bring the Terminator series back to life, and CHRISTIAN BALE is that man! He has done it for the BATMAN series, and will now do it for the Terminator series! He simply is JOHN CONNER!

Read that "Bruce Wayne is John Connor" headline and thought that Edward Furlong was cast as Batman in that Justice League movie. Damn, my movie brain needs tuning...

John conner err Connor or how ever it's spelled...

...and he's still chanting things like, "McG!!! THERE IS NO OTHER BUT McG!!! ALL HAIL THE SAVIOR OF ACTION FILMS, McG!!! THERE WILL BE NO OTHER ACTION FILMS AFTER THIS BECAUSE THE BAR WILL HAVE BEEN RAISED TO IMPOSSIBLE HEIGHTS BY McG!!! McG!!!"<br><br>Where is that guy, I miss him :(

You can take this story to the bank.

...thus completing the circle of time and a fitting end to the franchise. But no. Man I hate you beancounters out there. Can't leave well enough alone, can ya, you greedy fruitcakes?

If Bale is in it, that means now I HAVE to see it. Was totally planning on skipping this, but now I've gotta see it. Guess Bale is the go-to guy if you want to restart a successful franchise.

not even if JLA was made after the Bat trilogy. That's weird. maybe he just loves terminator.

WOW ARE YOU GUYS HIS AGENT? BALE'S TOO GOOD FOR TERMINATOR? IS HE TOO GOOD FOR A NEW ALIENS? If Ed Norton can star in a new Hulk reboot, Bale can be Connor or the new evil robot in this. What a bunch of snobs. This could be cool as hell.

There have been good performances in shit films before, and maybe this is what this will be. I hope McGinty really turns around on this one, and actually proves himself.

owned

CANNOT-- EMBRACE--McG!!!-- CANNOT -- EMB--NVKSWIS -- SOPEF--

This rumor makes no sense. It does not compute.

no... McG? has Bale read the script? is there a script? sounds like bullshit or a paycheck. ..and Bale is wrong for this role, i love him but he cant play everyone.

his part in bringing us Chuck. It's not nearly in the same league in technical excellence as say, 'Mad Men' but I really enjoy and look forward to watching Chuck every week. And I'm not sure how it all came about but casting Bale is a positive sign. Now, if he manages to prevent turning T4 into a kinetic, high on flash, low on substance music video-ish feature he just might earn some respect around here.

Or both a human and a Terminator?

The tech to render him is there! You don't even have to worry about animating this one good! He's an emotion-less killer robot! If he's too busy just pay to use his face and image and scan and remodel that shit!

He woulda been excellent as a bad T1000esque terminator. He kinda has the same body as Robert Patrick

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naive, stupid or just open-minded enough to expect some good things from this film. Charlie's Angels movies were mindless fun with boobs - a concept that some of you snobs accept when it's a Troma movie but reject when it's big budget... Sheeeesh... I respect those who don't enjoy the movie for what it is (mindless fun, remember?) but calling him a hack... First, he's not Brett Ratner (Red Dragon, X-men 3, Rush Hour: a guy who indiscriminately fucks up projects whether the source material is shit or gold) and second it's not as if it raped anyone's childhood, because the original show was shit anyway. One of the few adaptations that IMPROVED upon the source material. <p> Besides, We are marshals sounds, from what I gathered, like a solid little film, and McG (which is a stupid name, I give you that ) said while promoting it that he wanted more serious material from now on. <p> And don't forget that the shitty humor in T3 was an attempt from John Mostow to get in touch with the doubters with some kind of laid-back atmosphere, before unleashing hell in the third act and taking both doubters and fans by surprise. I cringed at the gay glasses or talk to the hand line like many of you, but you gotta admit that it was a sly move from Mostow, as he knew that the expectations were low because of Arnie's lame track record for the past 10 years or so. Mostow's angle was tricky but he pulled it off. And T2 had also shitty humor anyway.

no Arnie (which is - let's be honest - for the better as his image jammed seriously with the tone of the films) and hopefully a good, apocalyptic no-nonsense script... It could deliver. Fingers crossed.

They should cast Nicole Kidman in this as Kate Brewster and kill several careers.

I truly can't put my faith in this movie with MCG as the director. I'd love to hear The Bale explain, in his own words, why exactly he chose to do this. Harry could you interview him for us and find out?

Harry's on a sugar high. Put down the snickers ice cream bud.

Connor is not really in the film. BAM!

makin a friggin McTerminator with a McfrigginBatman!! Just remember how many of us knew this was gonna suck before a single frame was shot!! <br> TRANSFORMERS anyone?? <br> <br> It would be nice if once in a while these formulas for disaster actually transcended expectations - BUT THAT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN

I thought about bitching and moaning like a lot of you chumps, but then I realized I'm totally fine with this whole scenario. Sucks for you guys though, I guess.

and people will be sucking McG's dick.

...who was found by the resistance as a baby and was raised by them, and now wants to help fight the machines. His fondest desire is to become a real little boy. He's left alone in the base as a couple of bumbling terminators try to break in, and it's up to him to foil their plans. Hilarity ensues, and he's given a hero's welcome when the team comes back, whereupon he's proclaimed to be "as real as any little boy here." Big hugs all around. <p> badgrrls.com

This franchise needs a light comedy reboot, and Sandler's just the right guy for the job. Rob Schneider can be his trusty sidekick. "You can do it, Johnny!" he yells as Connor streetfights a bully terminator. Resistance babe Jessica Alba looks on in concern and expresses alarm at key points in the battle.

A terminator is sent back in time to kill Santa Claus, but his circuits are scrambled during the trip and he suffers amnesia. He's found by the elves and nursed back to health, whereupon he learns to help them build toys while singing and dancing on the assembly line. His terminator memory comes back due to a conk on the head, and after an internal struggle he overrides his original programming just in time to help a sickness-stricken Santa deliver toys to the world's children. <p> "Santa Terminator! You forgot my dolly and Billy's fire truck!" <p> (Grimaces) "I'll be back."

I am not familiar with "McG" so I can't really comment in that regard, but I do know Christian Bale is awesome in every role he takes, from Prestige magician to Batman, to POW. If he was interested enough in this John Connor part, I know he is going to bring some power to the role. Imagine Bale in the future commanding an army of resistance fighters and tearing shit up. Looks like I am interested in Terminator again. Now to watch how the rest of the cast falls into place..

>:D TERMINATOR: ***(sparkles, and rainbows spring out of sunshine!) Salvation!!!*** :) tee hee...

Isn't he good for key moviegoing demos? Or at least contractually obligated to appear in every third film of any sort announced?

Billy Crystal is The Terminator who is sent back in time to stop New York gangster Paul Vitti (Robert De Niro) from helping his old pal John Connor defeat the machines.<p>Hilarity ensues when, posing as Vitti's psychiatrist, The Terminator comes to understand exactly how messed up the human race actually is and decides to go to University to take a psychology degree in order to understand more. Once there he meets Van Wilder and even more hilarity ensues involving breasts and hands turning into knives.<p>Rated R.

and thats that - he has gone from working with nolan and herzog to "mcg" - $$$ - i saw the last terminator finally - bore-ring - does anyone really want to see a 4th - its like the alien predator crap - let it die already - or if youre going to make them give us something we havent seen a 100 times already - beyond cutting edge cgi fx - yawn - what else will this offer

-Dragons+Robots=T4

Maybe Bale as Connor gradually becomes more terminator-like as he gets injured in his war against the machines and literally replaces pieces of himself at the cost of his humanity. Skynet sees how well he destroys machines and decides to copy his behavior/technology etc. and the terminators are born. I can easily see the 800 series being the bigger, beefier successor to the original T600 line which is based, you guessed it, on cyberntetic John Connor. However, if this movie isn't Apocalypse Now meets Star Wars meets Braveheart then Stinky McPoo to the "G" it will be.

he's a Guh-veh-nor now. It's been 4 years now and it's still funny as hell, come to think of it. He used to bash the politicians before... Ahhh memories....

but give me a break. There are times when we really need to back the industry we love and then there are times when we draw the line in the fuckin' sand and say "No Cameron, No bueno!". I wish them all the best with this but count me out. And I agree man, McG is a stupid name to go by.

Why would Bale do this? He has a successful franchise in "Batman." He has a successful career and a lot of respect away from that franchise - Sorry. Not buying this until Hollywood Reporter drops it on us... which I doubt will happen. However, if it does, I'll come back and say I was wrong. Happy Thanksgiving.

Boo McG

A cameo I can live with but I don't want to see his horsefaced carcass for the duartion of the film.

I mean, that's not like he raped our collective childhoods or failed to deliver a fitting translation of the much lauded (watch out, irony here) Aaron Spelling's TV show... He just made a mediocre yet entertaining first feature, a slightly better sequel, and tried to get more serious with a sports drama. Nothing heavy to complain about.

harsh times really blew my ass away because of bales perfectly on-key maniac performancein it..now we have a terminator film to look foward to.

or put nipples or flames on the Terminator endoskeleton before branding him as a hack, that's all I hadda say.

Ala this quote by none other than Christian Bale himself: "I always like that. Whenever there's a project where everyone's going, 'Oooooh, it's a bit dodgy,' I always like it. If you actually look at it, there tends not to be anything risky at all. Why did I start acting in the first place? I didn't do it to be mediocre or to please everybody all the time."

Not even with Bale, who is a superb actor, can save the Terminator franchise...It died after T3. And as far as im concerned and this is coming from a massive Terminator fan, it ended with T2.

turned shitty writer/director of lame kiddie films, helming a project that was MEANT to be directed by Iron Jim? <p> Yes, I'm talking about Jon Favreau.

Produce it or something! Why do you let them rape your creation?

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bale, don't ruin your career!

"Skynet's defensive grid was smashed. It was over. We'd won. Killing Connor then would have made no diffrence." - Kyle Reese, Terminator 1 The only reason time travel exists is Skynet loses. Pleaes let the scriptwriters remember this...

'The Terminator' is movie that if it were made TODAY would be so fucking full of CG that... well, you get the point, all of the cyborgs would be 100% CG including Arnold. Now I am no fan of Hollywood's over reliance on CG effects to the point where good storytelling has become a thing of the past... but nevertheless, I say a CG Arnold is better than no Arnold at all.

'The Terminator' is movie that if it were made TODAY would be so fucking full of CG that... well, you get the point, all of the cyborgs would be 100% CG including Arnold. Now I am no fan of Hollywood's over reliance on CG effects to the point where good storytelling has become a thing of the past... but nevertheless, I say a CG Arnold is better than no Arnold at all.

'The Terminator' is movie that if it were made TODAY would be so fucking full of CG that... well, you get the point, all of the cyborgs would be 100% CG including Arnold. Now I am no fan of Hollywood's over reliance on CG effects to the point where good storytelling has become a thing of the past... but nevertheless, I say a CG Arnold is better than no Arnold at all.

My only gripe toward this is the "reinventing the Terminator universe" crypto-bullshit. All I ask is a dark tone, new characters and mechanics, tension and clever plot twists. But DO NOT FUCKING TOUCH at the Kyle Reese storyline. DO NOT, Joseph McGinty!

My only gripe toward this is the "reinventing the Terminator universe" crypto-bullshit. All I ask is a dark tone, new characters and mechanics, tension and clever plot twists. But DO NOT FUCKING TOUCH at the Kyle Reese storyline. DO NOT, Joseph McGinty!

That sounds suspiciously like the same declaration from years ago, before Episode II, when we were told--end of story--that Christopher Walken had been cast as one of the main villains. It's one thing to stand behind a source--quite another to declare that it's absolutely beyond question and thus place yourself in "I look like a fool" territory.

Yes, Cobra-Kai, I broke down and rented it, just because I think Bale is great, dourface and all, and loved everything he's been in since Machinist with the exception of Reign of Fire (though it wasn't Bale's fault). Definitely did not disappoint. I actually felt enjoyment, a feeling rarely elicited by movies these days. So, I thought twas good and worth it, for what it's worth. GUN KATA!

and ruin this film.

that's the only thing i consider canon. T2 with its jugglefucked storyline and shitty kid actor and robodaddy "astalavista" blew ass! give me "fuck you awshole! ANYDAY! KYLE REESE FOREVER BEEATCHES!

I knew abou the others but they're making ANOTHER alien film or predator film, or are you talking about AVP? That's kinda its own seperate deal, and I don't count it as cannon to either film series. Oh.... and I still say that this story is BS. I'll wait for the confirmation from Bale himself before I call it a stupid move that will drop his career down a step.

In "Reign of Fire."

Did you puke on your balls, because the gag reflex kicked in as you attempted to deep throat your cock? <BR><BR>I told y'all the deal. My source is not dodgy, but ROCK SOLID. This isn't a maybe, but I can't give up my source, because THEY have promised to keep me up to date on this... thoughout - and I have wanted to see a Grown John Conner Story Line for well... a very long time now. SInce the opening of the original TERMINATOR. That said - BALE is note perfect for the role of JOHN - and I'm pleased as punch that he is in the role.

This is incredible news. But does that mean that Bale won't be in Batman 3? I mean, Batman reborn 3. Maybe he's pissed about Justice League trying to wreck the franchise.

But I can't stand Christian Bale. I just don't think the boy can act his way out of a paper bag. I think he makes the worst Batman ever and I have disliked him ever since I first saw him in Velet Goldmine. But you guys go ahead and tell everyone that he is great. I know I'm pretty much alone on this one, but yeah, I just don't like his acting style one bit.

If anyone from the studio is reading this - how about Timothy Olyphant as a young version of Beihn? Just dye his hair a kinda light brown. Any good?

It's a trilogy, right? with John Connor as the mentor character, which means someone else is the main character and somewhere along the lines John will die (either literarly or metaphorically, but my guess is on literarly).<br> <br> The most logic choice for a main character if you look at the established mythology would be Kyle Reese, so the last of the three movies would end with him going back in time.<br> <br> Does the casting of Christian Bale and the confusion about the part he'll play suggest Skynet will replace John Connor at some point by a Terminator?

Hire Brad Fiedel from T2. Ensure that this is done. Thanks.

According to an industry database Christian Bale has been set to appear in TERMINATOR SALVATION however it is in the role of MARCUS. According to this database the role of John Conner remains open.

I can see how boy Furlong could grow up into adult Christian Bale. That sort of makes sense. But Ah-nuld MUST be in this movie...it is the expectation of the public...if he is not on the movie poster in some way, people will see this movie as second rate and missing its star, kind of like Predator 2. It doesnt even need to be a big scene...a shot of soldier Ah-nuld running into battle and being taken away by the robots...as long as he is on the poster.

that posted before I could add anything. I've no interest in anything to do with The Terminator without Jim Cameron. It's one man's vision.

Brad Fiedel's Terminator Theme must be used in the opening credits, I agree. That was one of the few issues I had with T3. They made up for it though, at the end of the movie. The score track 'Radio' is absolutely gorgeous, and propells the whole franchise to another emotional level. Also, if you stick through the end credits you will hear a pretty hardcore version of the original theme - just a shame it wasn't at the start, like the T2 opening credits. <P> In my mind, T3 was indeed far better than anyone had any right to expect... Arnie on the crane truck smashing into buildings, the coffin shoot-out, (I still maintain that the little model of Arnie I own where he is holding the coffin on his shoulder is far more iconic than anything from T1 or T2) and in particular the final 30 minutes were all awesome stuff. The ending was absolutely the ending I would have written, if anyone had asked me. McG doesn't excite me... nor repell me. Bale however does ground the project nicely, and makes it something I am very hopeful for. <p> And come on guys... Jonathan Mostow comimg back wouldn't be all that bad! Go back and watch T3 with an open mind... or better still... go and watch 'Breakdown'! <p> This talkback cerainly is a worthy successor to the TEST talkback. Just.

you don't like his acting because you're fucking retarded and i think you should kill yourself.

its a must.

...is in my opinion the best actor of his generation. He's fuckin awesome. I can't get my head round the fact that he's doing a McG film...but my expectations for it have just quadrupled.

...now let's get Chris Nolan directing this motherfucker! That's if Cameron really really isn't coming back of course.

if McG thinks making this will boost him to popularity then he really is a dickhead with a stupid name...any director that takes on this project is in for a shit storm of abuse and should know better!

must be pretty good and/or McG's pitch/reel. Not a fan of McG's, thought this was short sighted of the producers, these types of kinetic MTV bubblegum shooters are a dime a dozen. The story and characters are the most important, great visuals and editing in context with the former is what makes a genre standout like the Terminator so effective. I hope for Bale's sake that McG (ditch that stupid handle and get some cred)raises his game for this.

He's been off the radar for too long, has he retired? I thought Beltrami's score for T3 was sorely lacking in any thematic material and was bereft of that synclavier/synth industrial sampling that characterised Fiedel's work on the first two films. With today's technology he could turn in a killer score.

SWEET

TERMINATOR SALVATION: THE FUTURE BEGINS sounds like a short story written for children.

http://www.gunters.net/ His time is NOW!!

no disrespect, man... but if you want to see a Grown John Connor Story that much, you could maybe get his name right... ;-)

Either way I'm stoked he's onboard, but a Bale Terminator would be an interesting proposition, goota wait for the air to clear on this and hope for an official announcement. The consensus seems to be that insspite of the director choice the fact that Bale has signed means this project has to have serious potential. Strike or no strike, Bale does'nt take a pay day for the sake of it, he's built up such an impressive critically lauded body of work that even more overtly commercial work has to have merit.

Yup gentlemen. He's human too.

...as much and as ungayly as the next geek, but this whole issue has brought up an interesting question: is one great actor enough to validate the choice of a truly terrible director? And if so, why haven't the actors in Dr. Boll's movies had that effect on the geek mind?

And he spends the entire movie beating himself up...or off.

seen Equilibrium. You must put down the drumstick. Run to blockbuster. If they are closed, kick the door open, "borrow" the video, turn off the wussy football game, and insert disc which could also be titled "How to kick every ass on the planet," sit back, and prepare for your eyeballs to be sucked out of your head as you say WTF? Then you will see where I got my name.

If you haven't seen the movie, then don't watch this on You Tube until you have completed your assignment. Otherwise, hell yeah beotch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCsRN70XXxo

You see his name and the first thing you think is Bad Mo Fo. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, when I saw Bale was going to be Bruce Wayne I knew it would be 1) awesome and 2) a step down because he owned in Equilibrium. As for Reign of Fire, the movie could have been better plot wise. It was a great original concept, but then failed to deliver on depth of the story. However Bale and McConnaghey (sp whatever) both looked like they were having a contest to see who was the buffest baddest mo fo left on the planet. Now Bale looks like that a lot, but Matt,daaamn he got jacked. So if this information is correct, and Bale is Connor, please Mr. McG open my wallet and take my money now. And if you are lying then I will hunt you down like the dog you are.

As perfect a description of Equilibrium as anyone could hope for, a truly excellent bad movie.

It is my mission in life.

Okay, but seriously, you don't like it, or even hate it, that's your call. As you can see I have a much different opinion.

though you called it a bad movie

You take Farenheit 451, splice it with 1984, and there you go. It's still awesome.

I fucking LOVE Equilibrium, but it really is a bad movie.

I keep calling for him to be Thor, the dude loves the character and says he would respect the role and he is trying to be a serious actor. GUNTER SCHLIERKAMP FOR THOR!

aside from the 'asskicking badassness' of the movie, i thought it was a well made movie. Maybe because i'm a misanthropist and not only did it have Bale but also William Fichtner and Boromir. But man Bale destroys in that film.

And is surely proof that The Bale Factor can improve any movie because the director's next one was SHITE.<p>Gun-Kata (is that right?) should be used in the real world. It's the most awesome thing since the lightsabre.

Am I you grandmother, am I here to amuse you like some clown, am I funny, what is so effing funny... Oh yeah, it's definitely a popcorn flick. Whereas first Matrix had an incredible original plot, like I said it's nothing original, but still.. Oh and don't forget, for someone who was supposed to be unemotional, Taye Diggs was quite the opposite. Bale on the other hand...

apparently a movie site says that Bale's Character John Preston has the highest bodycount in film history. he kills 118 people on screen. Legolas has the most non direct bodycount with a bodycount of about 500 throughout the entire lord of the rings trilogy.

Blessed are those you have seen Equilibrium for their eyes have beheld wonders not meant for mankind. Repent from your iniquities all, and learn the ways of the Gun-kata.

I was hoping this would be Michael Keaton. Christian Bale would not make a charismatic leader of men.

I could not have made a more succinct description myself. Alas, Sean Bean was underused.

It's Turkey Time! :)

I thought it was like 'Brave New World' spliced with the Matrix, but yeah I can see Fahrenheit 451 and 1984 in there too. My only problem with it was how it was too stylistically similar to the Matrix in terms of the action, like many Matrix clones in the wake of that trilogy.

Yes I would say there were style similarities, but I loved Equilibrium because there was much, way much less wire-fu and CGI. Not that there weren't any, but it was downplayed, and the action carried the movie beter because of it. The combat scenes seemed more realistic.

I think theyve picked bale coz ever since the machinist hes been annorexic he looks like hes survived off a few dead rats in the ruins of a radioactive LA for the past twenty years Unfortunately mcg will turn it into a standard soul less hollywood/MTV pop video that the studios will love my only hope is it would kill the franchise and that studios would decide to make original insightful and daring films

...in Equilibrium, for sure. But in terms of the gun play, the kung fu, and even the look, style, and wardrobe, it just seemed too much like the Matrix. Take a look at this Equilibrium poster, and it looks like Bale and Taye Diggs have raided Neo and Larry Fishburne's props and wardrobe closet. <p> http://tinyurl.com/2kfb7e

Matrix stole from Reservoir Dogs, which stole from the Blues Brothers.

You put your finger on the one thing that bugs me every time I watch Equilibrium, namely the supposedly unemotional Diggs grinning his ass off in virtually every scene. <p> No wonder Bale sliced his face off. <p> I remember the first time I watched Equilibrium. I saw the cheap ass looking "world" and thought "oh God this is going to suck". <p> Then Bale went Gun Kata in the darkened room and I thought "holy shit!"

having to choke himself using Hartman's hand because he can't get rid of that stupid smirk. If they had said Diggs was a plant then I could have understood it. I love it how in the room all the "terrorists" are whispering before all hell breaks lose. Reminds me of playing hid and seek when I was little. "shut up," "do yo see him" "SHUT UP"

be converted, and made a disciple. Tho I triest not to oversell, I am must bring the truth to the unenlightened. If thou canst wait, then thou shalt journey to You Tube, and witness the splendor for thyself. However beware the penalties of the spoiler.

This is maybe the only news that would possibly get me excited for this movie...I seriously I have tears in my eyes....God I'm soo happy...this franchise is really close to the heart....Look at my alias damnit, thank you polyliquidmetal alloy Jesus

GIVE F***ING THANKS!!!!

the turkey and mashed potatoes are calling me. Spread the word my brothers and let this knowledge not be lost. Cobra-Kai, thou shalt have another reason to give thanks this weekend.

They can't cry, but they salviate? Will the new generation eat their victims?

i hate to be manipulated by cute dogs almost dying. if they'd just removed the dog bit, i'd watch that movie once a week; as it is, i only watch it about once a month. get a life, occula!

Eat thy turkey and remember that thoust live in the year 2007.

c'mon you guys - all everybody has to do is raise your voices in vitriolic unison and somehow we can convince the powers that be - which nowadays seem to tremble before the onslaught of any fanboy noise - to a)remove bale so it's just another dumb sequel b)remove mcg so it's a better sequel c)get arnold to cooperate somehow d)get cameron involved somehow and e)make sure the continuity isn't fucked up! we can do it, we've tackled bigger issues 'round here.

Please continue to discuss the joining of Bale and The Terminator whilst our Americans tuck into their turkey.<p>(No, I don't get the whole Thanksgiving thing either. Probably something I should wikipedia.)

I say we just go for (A) as that's the easiest option.<p>Failing that, we got for (B), (C), (D) and (E) together.<p>Hollywood - hear us roar!

I say we just go for (A) as that's the easiest option.<p>Failing that, we go for (B), (C), (D) and (E) together.<p>Hollywood - hear us roar!

seems like they both have a very trusted source telling them conflicting pieces of information... could the production team be trying to throw everyone off track? Is Bale playing someone else and not Connor or the Terminator? Kyle Reese maybe? Or an as of yet, unintroduced character that paves the way for Connor to be introduced? We need fucking confirmation NOW... I have Turkey and Terminator on the brain now...

We Americans will include you in this great day...GIVE F***ING THANKS

Is the day we celebrate in remembering the Pilgrims and their hard journey to this country. They sat down on the 3rd Thursday in November with the native americans to break bread and try to form a common community or just an attempt to get along... Then the early americans spent the next 100 years killing them and taking their land... Ahh bliss. The original Thanksgiving meal was most likely comprised of foods of the time, like deer, fish, clams, muscles, vegetables and breads. We changed that to an easier to eat meal like Turkey, potatoes, stuffing, vegetables etc. in the 1800's... That help IAmMrMonkey?

Your average thankgiving meal is 1400 calories, not including beverages, add some wine and an after dinner whisky to that with some pie and you have a nice 2000 calorie afternoon... which reminds me, gotta go find the loose pants...

There is no way this is true. Harry, I live here in Austin. I go to UT Law. $100 to the charity of your choice if a Terminator movie starring Christian Bale gets made in the next 2 years.

Sounds a bit far fetched to me.

Turd Furgeson - Thanks! I'll now understand what's going on the next time I tune into a U.S show and everyone's eating their thanksgiving meal!<p>T1000 - F***ing thanks!

John Connor's dad?

Seriously... How is this John Conner going to be any different from the character Bale played in Reign of Fire? Leader of a resistance living like animals against the oppressing monsters? Check. So it's robots instead of dragons this time... They'll have to work their asses off to differentiate this from RoF.

Get it fucking right man!

although he's getting that from Batman too. This is odd news.

yes please...

HOLY FUCKING AWESOME HA HA HA!!!

but that's ok man, it's thanksgiving

The title Terminator Salvation would be just fine...ditch the dragging and contrived "Future begins", Bale doesn't need that, so please cater to his needs and ours......c'mon guys we are already one step closer to something grand. Let's make our puberty scarred voices heard...FANBOYS ENGAGE!!

I like the guy. I thought he busted his ass to make an idea like Charlie's Angels interesting, and succeeded. He was the wrong man for Superman, but Bryan Singer, too was the wrong man, it seems. If the guy can tone down his frigging 'art house Euro-jiggy wacky-cam' I think this has a shot at awesomeness.<p> Bale is the complete oatmeal and corn filled runny shit in the diaper. The real fucking deal!

<p>At first I thought your post was a joke. Actually, I still think it is. Bale's character was hardly leading any "resistance" in Reign of Fire. (Unless if by "resistance" you mean "a small group of mostly women and children too terrifired to do much of anything but hide".) In fact, if McConaughey had never shown up, Bale's character and everyone else would still be cowering in the castle, hiding from the dragons.</p> <p>Happy Thanksgiving everyone.</p>

I don't see what's wrong with it, because that shit in real life gets me worked up, especially cruelty and it makes me want to do punisher like things so i dont see it a far stretch for someone like bale to destroy humans in the wake of attempting to destroy a cute dog. the guy is bascially saying humans with a moral conscience are desposable, cute powerless dogs are not. followed by fuck you up.

good actors usually travel in packs....A row of robots with digital young Arnie faces or a present day(future) badass Lieutenant soldier Arnie would be yummy......sorry i have become annoying, talkbackers. I really do apologize..but this is some of the best news I have heard in a long time

I've got my "George Lucas" hat on now and I think this would be a great name for the movie.<p>Or TERMINATOR: THE METAL MENACE<p>Or perhaps TERMINATOR: ATTACK OF THE DRONES<p>Yup.

on Thanksgiving! Here is a direct quote from the Science Times in the 11-20-07 edition of the New York Times (page D5): "The average American consumes about 4,500 calories and 229 grams of fat throughout Thanksgiving day. 'It's like a tsunami of fat coming into the body' said Dr. Pamela Peeke, assistant clinical professor at the University of Maryland School of Medicine." All I have to add to that is 'Pass me a drumstick.' ☺

Count me as skeptical on this one. If true, how odd. They ought to get Summer Glau in this as well to tie into the TV show.

I'll wait tell the trades confirm this. Sounds way too wishful thinking. Like getting Fincher to direct and Harlon Ellison and Alan Moore to write.

Bale is really becoming that 'go-to' guy, huh..

We tried emailing but your inbox is full...Paramount has your cheque ready for the positive reviews you made this year, and fox is going to be a little late because they're still negotiating with the WGA.

the Rwandan genocide. Okay, the analogy is a little off, but that film sucked. Entertaining and dumb are not synonymous, despite what people will tell you. The first two Terminator films were both entertaining and well crafted. I don't put them in masterpiece category, but rather two solid entries in the career of James Cameron. It is a great casting decision, though.

He's watching it and then it happens and he's like "Holy shit!" then when the bike scene happens he was like "WHAT THE FUCK! That's amazing".

... But has this so-called "source" ever been right before, either?

This MacG or whatever his name is will kill this new Trilogy before it even starts. Sorry but Terminator as Charlie Angles isn't going to fly with the fans that made the movie worth 400 million world wide. I expected better from the guys who bought the rights to this franchise...to put the fate of this new trilogy into the hands of this guy is a HUGE mistake they will find out the hard way but like most in Hollywood they think they know whats right and us fans don't know what we are talking about...Ask George about Jar Jar and Berman about how he didn't kill Star Trek as examples.

and neither will I.

that would have been kind of funny, actually. Imagine what he would do with his boomstick and a bunch of terminator sniffing dogs.

Terminator plots all have a theme of time travel paradox . . . Ryese being from the future and Johns dad, the technology to develop skynet came from the future incarnations of skynet, hell even T3 (which felt like a weird version of a Terminator from a universe parallel to our own where the T2 stories differed in characters and outcomes, personally, I really dont consider it cannon at all). Changing the setting to the future resistance nearly removes the possibility of continuing the theme of paradox (the major paradox being the creation of information nothing, whether that information be biological (john), technological (super powerful computer chips), or computational (the abstract lines of code that actually make up skynet). Without that paradox its just a war movie set in the future. I wont be following the Terminator show on t.v. either for almost that very reason.

If now they can go back, and re shoot the scenes with the other dude who played the grown up John Connor in the original movies. Re-shoot those scenes, and re-release all 3 dvd's in time for this one's theatrical release. That would be a nice marketing tool!

Is this some alternate universe where Sarah and John Connor are named Conner? No wonder the fucking robots fail. They've been after the wrong people. Way to reboot this franchise, Hollywood.

When Christian Bale is the Goddamn Batman "!" why would he want to take a step down in part? Connor is nothing in acting terms compared to Wayne/The Bat/Matches Malone. No . Never. Bale will not be involved in this nonsense.

maybe it's not a misspelling- maybe AICN knows what it's talking about. the guy Gil Brooks on here says that bale playing John Conner is 'Half' right...maybe skynet pulled an oopsie and went after john CONNOR in the first three movies on accident, because someone typed an 'o' instead of an 'e'...and Bale is a guy named john CONNER in the future who is the real resistance leader. Or maybe just to confuse skynet, John changes his last name by one letter to throw them off the scent. HA HA please know i'm kidding.

- what i mean is, John Connor dies at some point, maybe even early on in the wars, but was so influencial or something that his namesake is 'kept alive'...much like Osama bin laden probably being dead, but his people keep saying he's around and making decisions. Skynet is so hell bent on looking for one guy, but what if he doesn't even exost? what if the resistance movement calls itself'john connor'? or some malarky?.....okay i'm out of stupid ideas.

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T3 was effing great -- MUCH better than T2. And the thing that makes T3 was so much better was how gleefully retarded/funny AND dark it was. How the main badgirl could make her boobs change size, and how Duh Terminatuh was programmed not only as a killing machine/father figure, but a couples counselor (hey, you never know, maybe Skynet is really concerned about human relationship problems). In addition to taking it to the comedy camp zone where it should be, T3 also featured the best efx and action sequence of the series. Whoever said Bruce Campbell as John Connor is DEAD ON. Thats where it should go. I hope Bale plays JConnor as a cross between Ash, his character in American Psycho, and John Wayne.

Why would Christian Bale sign up for this? <BR><BR>A) Big Starring Role in a film, whether we like it or not, that will be sold world wide with a huge push. <BR><BR>B) The role is an iconic character that the previous 3 movies have been teasing us with, but never really seeing him do anything more than look through Binoculars - but is a fictional savior of mankind. If the script has that in it, what actor wouldn't want that role. <BR><BR>C) With Arnold out of the franchise - it needs a new face, a new direction and a new vision. <BR><BR>Purple Laser Rifles and Rocket Launchers on 4x4 jeeps rule. <BR><BR>He'll end up with a really groovy scar at some point. <BR><BR>After being a P.O.W. in two films, it's his turn to kick ass.

feast. In all seriousness I hope you love Equilibrium, and hoped I haven't over-hyped it. What can I say, it's one of my favorites, and think it's seriously underrated. I know I would like to know what you think of it, so I'll keep an eye out for any posts from you. Also, it's good to see that this site has learned to spell John Connor. I mean seriously I know we all make mistakes, but this is one of the more famous movie characters in sci-fi history.

Whether he's joking or being serious.

Kurt Wimmer is a fucking hack - just look at Ultraviolet. But what's important is that Bale is fucking AWESOME in it. It's one of my favourite performances of his. Which just goes to show, that it doesn't matter how B-Grade the project is, Bale will ALWAYS give his best (which cannot be said of some great actors who keep phoning it in). And that alone gives me hope for T4.

was excellent, in fact I thought he should have been that intense in Batman Begins, but played a watered down version for his Bruce Wayne instead.In my opinion.

soooo what the fuck, the movie will have no sense of subtlety or excellence, just be on big dumb videogame like most of T3.

Of course, if yr one of those brooding overserious types who don't get how all of this pop sci-fi stuff is implicitly campy, how the very concept of an assassin robot from the future is hilarious from the getgo, then by all means please grimace your way through another dark dank day in the Batcave and/or Jack Bauer's neocon paranoia / power fantasy / mom's basement closet of misery. But, hey, in your seriously serious defense, I'd also like to see a cool hard sci-fi kinda take on the future apocalyptic groundwar too. But with something like Terminator, the ship has already sailed on it being retconned into BSGness. Least ways not in the hands of a McG. I reckon it'll be crap, so may as well make it funny.

...a lot of Hollywood B movies say they want to be but aren't. "Sure, it's not a 'good' movie in the classical sense, but damn if it's not an awesome lot of fun!" 90% of the time it is both not a good movie nor a fun movie, but Equilibrium lives up to the good bad film experience with excellence, thanks in no small part to the fact that Bale dominates. And by the way, I too am still experiencing the nauseating, disorienting synapse misfiring distortion effects of Bale and McG...together. In the same place. On the same movie. Something in the spacetime continuum is gonna give and what the fallout will be I don't know, but it will be interesting.

As far as a Terminator sequel goes, there's not a better casting choice then Christian Bale as John Connor. Although, I must admit, I'm not quite convinced of McG being "the man" to direct this particular film. In a perfect world, James Cameron would come back and tie up the series for us; however, he's too busy attempting to debunk the authenticity of certain religious figures... I heard his latest IMAX feature will be revealing the tomb of Santa Claus! That's right kids... Santa bit the big one. Anyway... It would be nice to see Cameron come back to helm the project, but it's obviously not going to happen. That being said, I like zom-bot's idea of bringing back Arnold as a solder who gets captured and becomes the mold of what will be the T-101. That's a hell of an idea! All that being said, I trust Bale enough to engage in projects that he thinks will make great films. If he were all about the paycheck, it would stand to reason he would have had no problem with being in the JLA flick... Wouldn't ya think? Quite frankly, Any movie with Bale, I'm willing to give a chance... I guess we'll have to wait and see!

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I love Christian Bale and I love THE TERMINATOR series. Maybe this could be good, but I think there are a lot more interesting roles out there waiting to be played by this fabulous actor.

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Just for WTF factor.

...as long as that fuckhead McG stays at the helm, this movie will suck. Hard.

Ever since I saw Newies, that was it for me I new I was going to have a thing for little boies ever since! But also I am sorry Maquinista, El (or The Machinist) as IMDB calls it for some reason? Was not a good movie. It should have been really good, Session 9 was an amazing movie I thought, after I saw it I thought Bales transformation for the movie was just kind of sad. All that effort for little pay off. Terrible ending as well. Other then that he's been golden, especially in newsies and that SS movie with Ben Stiller. And Reign of Fire should have been a lot better, but that wasn't his fault, nor Maconahey's.

Nice start-up of your marketing campaign, giving this casting news to Devin (Chud) and Harry(AICN).

Reason I'm asking is because it's not just in the article but even after people repeatedly told you the correct spelling for this "iconic" character, you've stuck to John Conner. If you're doing this on purpose, it does point to CHUD being correct and you being correct at the same time. Chud's source says it's not John Connor but a different new character....which could mean someone named John Conner as zom.bot suggests above..

Series7: Session 9 was definitely an amazing movie! Good taste there!<p>CadderlySoaring: No, Harry just can't spell. This has been proved repeatedly over the last ten years or so. It's surprising he managed to spell this site's name correctly. It could have ended up as AINT IT CUUL NUUWS or something.

im guessing that bale is going to be playing jon connors dad.

do do do doo doo(terminator theme) you have returned.

...is a very good actor so I have faith in him. :)

...so its a mistaken identity story? The terminators look in the yellow pages and go after John ConnEr (Bale) instead of John ConnOr, and then Bale fights the war against machines out of necessity instead of destiny, but ends up being victorious nonetheless, setting up future movies where the terminators go back in time to now kill John ConnErs mother? <p> Only his mother turns out to be a skank who had numerous babies to several fathers starting when she was 14, so there are several ConnErs who end up fighting the war? <p> Man, this franchise needs to die.

you put Christian Bale in a good movie, and it becomes a great movie. You put him in a bad movie, and it removes the suck factor by 75 percent. Take American Psycho for example, would it be a watchable movie in any sense without Bale?

That wanted to remake Spaced with the writers of Will & Grace. Think people.. just think. This is a franchise you love because it once involved legends such as James "don't mention titanic" Cameron, Arnie and Michael Biehn, this is just going to be another Rise of the Cocking Machines.

that Bale will be playing a character new to the Terminator franchise.<p>Who do I believe????

in T3, granted they had him heavily into makeup. T2 had some guy with a huge scar, a look that said I take no crap, and some serious respect. The guy is walking through the battler area, and all his men snap to. You could tell it was from respect, not fear. I wonder if T4 is going to make the character that hard. Too bad Sean Bean is a little up there. He would make a great Connor. I dunno though, I bet he could pull it off. I love Bean, and his characters definitely help make a movie, but he is not name above the marquee material, which is a shame.

Apparently, the Holders of the Pursestrings decided that Furlong, long known to be strung-out burnout drug addict, was too much much of a strung-out burnout drug addict to play the, uh, strung-out burnout drug addict John Connor. (??????????) Enter Stahl, who, as a more stable actor, was deemed more able to portray John Connor as the homeless stung out drug addict he is at the begining of T3, even though Furlong actually IS a stung-out burnout drug addict. Weird, right?

...when I watched it on DVD years ago now, and I clearly remember Nick Stahl and Claire Danes talking about how they got involved in the movie co-starring with Arnie, and both of them talking like it was way beneath them as actors, especially Nick. As if working in an Arnie movie was a complete farce to them, but then they both put on their Hollywood faces and said something like, 'Oh, but working with Arnold was, um, "great". He's, um, "great".' The choice to be in T3 was clearly for the payday, but its clear that Danes and Stahl will not be back. <p> But I can't stand Nick Stahl, whether he can act or not, so I would hope they don't recast him. I don't know what it is, but he's very unlikeable. I've felt strongly that way since I first saw 'The Man without a Face'.

Christian Bale is 31 years old... Perfect age range.. And after years of fighting a war, nuclear fallout, malnutrition, stress and everything else that goes along with being the savior of the human race, I don't think the character is required to have a baby face or look young.... Matter of fact, someone with Bale's physically imposing presence and ability to command a room/scene, will lend a ton of credibility to the part..

...was because he was considered too much of a liability to be insured by an insurance company. You see every major actor that's on the screen, who's paid millions of dollars for their part, in turn has to go do a physical and an evaluation by an insurance company that the movie studio enlists, all done before the movie even begins production. (Directors and producers have to do this too). This is an absolute necessity, and it is done so that the studio, which usually pays the actors up front money, isn't left stranded with millions of lost dollars should the actor accidentally die, get in a paralyzing car crash, get hit by a bus, etc. But certain actors, like Furlong and Lohan, continously act in such risky behaviors (like drinking and getting high), that no insurance will dare take the risk in covering and face a high default risk, hence the inability to insure them which leads to the inability for them to get parts. The term for this type of insurance is "Key person disability insurance".

is Adam Brody as the new terminator. Oh, and STFU, Harry HeadShill. You still have no idea what you're talking about.

Have they learned NOTHING from the Trek franchise?

in Terminator is good news. McG does not really speak to me with all his fast cars and jumping motocross electronic music noise, but I enjoy Chuck, so maybe he can speak to me. There were some great geek references in the premeir of Chuck,(that was actually directed by McG). The little "Stop the Press/Vicki Vale" riff had me laughing out loud. I hope that this indicates that McG has some of the same nostalgia for the Terminator franchise that we have. I'm keeping my fingers crossed on this one.

I love the first two Terminator flicks. T3 was fucking boring and, up until the admittedly ballsy ending, predictable. Christian Bale sure as shit can't need the money to do this, post-Batman. Jim Cameron isn't involved. Hell, even Arnold isn't involved! What artistic challenge is there for Bale in this? I hope he doesn't do it and I hope the studio has the sense and good taste to leave this franchise where they buried it. As if.

the whole cast and crew sounded bored (as in 9 commentary tracks out of 10) more than anything else; I think your dislike of Nick Stahl made you hear contempt where there was only an actor doing something he's not accustomed to. My guess.

The concept of Arnold as a human soldier was also explored in the excellent T2 novels "Infiltrator", "Rising Storm", and "The Future War". This book trilogy came out a few years ago and follows John and Sarah Connor after the events of T2. The "Arnold" character is named Dieter von Rossbach, an Austrian ex-counterterrorism operative, and he becomes the Connors' ally in their continuing fight against Skynet.

I watched it a few years ago, so my memory is hazy, and its possible my dislike of Stahl is influencing my perception. I almost feel curious enough to rent it again to check, but I refuse to give anymore money to that film. <p> If anyone owns the DVD, I remember the commentary track during and just before a scene where Stahl and Danes are in an SUV and go to the gas station, is where they were talking about working in the film and with Arnold...if anyone is curious.

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it's just empty hype man, let it go.

Lots of information and background reading there - immersing you in the world of Gotham. It's not just a trumped up waiting game like the candle thing was. Reminds me a lot of the Memento website www.otnemem.com - don't know if anyone remembers?

Norton would go near Hulk. So what makes you think Bale wouldn't do this?

Norton wouldn't go near Hulk. So what makes you think Bale wouldn't do this?

Norton wouldn't go near Hulk. So what makes you think Bale wouldn't do this?

And again, oops.

...over that one shot of Connor in the Future? Just asking. Not sure if this rumor is real...but Bale is MAN. An ember of hope is begining to flicker.

that I have low expectations because MCG is directing. The bad news is I have high expectations because Bale is in it. I'm so confused.

SCHWARZENEGGER signs on the new trilogy as a future resistance fighter and is a bad ass like RAMBO.

That was good? It's easily the worst movie I've seen this year. Terrible acting, terrible direction, terrible writing. The best thing about that movie was McConaughey's generic phoned in McConaughey performance. And I fricken hate McConaughey.

You need to see more movies. Cause there were plenty that were far inferior to We Are Marshall.

because he gave us Supernatural...

I will not be watching it.

<p>WHAT DID I FUCKING TELL YOU?!</p>My god, you people are so cunting fickle.

I'm going to hold you to that.

What did you fucking tell us?

this year. All I want for Christmas is world peace and James Cameron directing Christian Bale in the next Terminator movie. I promise I will leave extra cookies for you, and carrots for your reindeer. McG can have the coal.

I for one love Christian Bale but even he can make some poor choices in search of a paycheck. Reign of Fire was a complete waste of Bale and shows that just casting him can't lend credibility to some very shoddy Sci-Fi writing.

Man that's such an awesome film! T3...ehh, not so much. It's ok, I guess, there were some cool moments and the ending was good, but unless it's a transition to a series of films that are revolutionary like The Matrix was....it really shouldn't have been made. Also, has anybody anywhere heard any OFFICIAL confirmantion that Bale is involved in this film, in ANY role? Or are we just taking Harry's word that this is happening? Loved the comment about Christopher Walken playing Dooku in Episode II "bank on it." that Harry made before. That's funny stuff; hopefully this is a repeat situation.

Thus far it is an AICN exclusive from a trusted source. Nothing officially from Bale's camp or Warner Brothers. But I'm going to go with Harry.

Tearin' through a swarm of t-800's?

That is the human resistances secret weapon...

Bale wont be able to save this crap. Mark my words.

I hope.

Yet Strangely Placated...

tim burton to re-make wizard of oz... johnny depp as the scarecrow, jack black as the cowardly lion... so says my source, which would be my imagination. Seriously though... i like Bale as JC. Arnie CGI mocap terminators, no time travel storyline... just all out war..... sounds great.

... by editing in Bale as old Connor. I've got that scene burned into my skull. Fucking epic. And Bale looks more like a drug-filled, psychotic rich guy than the leader of the resistance. I would rather have Clive Owen playing Connor.

can save the movie. However, McG is on-board BEFORE the script is done which means he will have a say on the script and what goes into it.

We're screwed. Comedian x, we're screwed.

BOTH versions of it. One with an Arnold option and one without. I hope they go for the Arnold-less version. Shooting begins soon in Bulgaria.

If he won't be in it?

and he says Bale will rule.

I guess with the writers strike McG will have to resort to on-set improvisations from the actors. <p> Because know this: McG puts his stamp on things and there is nothing you can do to stop him. Be it casting, editing, or sucking -- he is goddamn in control. <p> I fear he may have got this job because of that scene in Full Throttle where O'Grady walks through the fire like the T-1000. The studio looked at that and knew that McG could see into Cameron's very soul.

and you couldn't get Cameron to direct, who would you guys choose as director?

Who agrees?

your man breasts.

I like Bale as the new face of the Terminator franchise, but NOT with McGhey directing. But it seems to be the year of nonsense people in roles that they don't fit. See Shaun as Scotty and Pathfinder as McCoy in the new Star Trek. I guess stranger things could happen...

...in terms of mass appeal. Arnold must be on the movie poster...Bale standing there with the Terminator logo will do nothing. It'll look like a TV movie. The Governator's face must be there, like T1.

I'm not sure Arnold's face does on a poster what it did in 1987 anymore.<br> <br> woah. yoda grammar that was.

The Northlander, Just like RAMBO and ROCKY BALBOA...TERMINATOR needs Arnold's mug on it to sell the damn thing! Otherwise it is something trying to be TERMINATOR!

His involvement in 1 and 2 made sense in those movies. Terminator 3 with arnie was forced because there is no way SkyNet would make only one type of T-800 model. That makes no sense whatsoever.<br> Check out the flashback in Terminator 1 where that other T-800 infiltrates the human camp and massacres everybody with a laser minigun. It's a great sequence because it really shows that they can't tell the difference between these infiltrator units and their own kind. If all Terminators looked like Arnold Schwarzenegger they would be completely useless. In fact, the fewer that does look the same, the more it shows how dangerous SkyNet is.

There was no way the producers could find an actor iconic enough to replace Arnold as the Terminator so rather than focusing on that character why not develop the John Conner instead? All the previous films never really showed John Conner as the hard-core bad-ass resistance leader fighting the Terminators. And to have an intense actor like Christian Bale taking over the role of John Conner shooting down terminators left, right and centre will take this movie franchise into a completely new direction. Clever move ... I just wish they had a director with the same pedigree as Christian Bale to lift this off. Good move for CB as well since this will ensure he won't be typecasting himself as Batman.

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...exactly why Aint It Cool will get in on the top floor with news like this (on Bale to boot) yet the STILL wont report on the MASS amount of stuff thats happening with The Dark Knight...I mean a rumour like this is cool and all but that DK viral campaign has just upped a substantial notch and yet dont hear shit on this site. And thats fair enough if they would just say "this site isnt arsed about DK cos we dont like the look of Heath Ledger" or what ever the fuck, cos then I would know. But it remains a mystery to me. Which s unfortunate cos this is a favorite site of mine yet the ONLY films Im dieing to see next year are No Country Fo Old Men (not out here till feb), There Will Be Blood, and Dark Knight!!

Equilibrium is high art, or dumping on Terminator. I think it's more of a director choice issue among fans. I know a lot of posters are saying let this franchise die, but I would love to see a new Termninator movie done right. I'm not even saying T3 was done wrong, but T2 was superior. I mean come one people we've only seen glimpses of the apocalyptic future in T1 and T2 flashbacks. I would love to see a full on balls to the wall, survive or die future movie with man against machine. Just give me three things: a good story, a good director, and some good characters. I know we all expect to see John Connor, and perhaps Kyle Reese in this. Whether it is set right after the bombs dropped or a day before they sent Arnold back the first time who knows. Although since it is a Terminator movie it probably be at least around the time T-800 came off the line with real skin as opposed to those rubber models they talked about in T1. Me personally I would not mind seeing Arnold in it as a human soldier/blueprint for T-800. But a cameo in fine with me. Oh, and Terry Crews, daaamn.

Equilibrium is high art, or dumping on Terminator. I think it's more of a director choice issue among fans. I know a lot of posters are saying let this franchise die, but I would love to see a new Termninator movie done right. I'm not even saying T3 was done wrong, but T2 was superior. I mean come one people we've only seen glimpses of the apocalyptic future in T1 and T2 flashbacks. I would love to see a full on balls to the wall, survive or die future movie with man against machine. Just give me three things: a good story, a good director, and some good characters. I know we all expect to see John Connor, and perhaps Kyle Reese in this. Whether it is set right after the bombs dropped or a day before they sent Arnold back the first time who knows. Although since it is a Terminator movie it probably be at least around the time T-800 came off the line with real skin as opposed to those rubber models they talked about in T1. Me personally I would not mind seeing Arnold in it as a human soldier/blueprint for T-800. But a cameo in fine with me. Oh, and Terry Crews, daaamn.

Bale didn't have the geek credibility in reign of fire like he does now, he had respect but not the "bale destroys life" thing.

Didn't they say in Terminator 3, they sent the Arnie model back because john recognized him?

imagine that. the two best actors in the world against each other.

he declined Batman Begins; to him playing in sub-par Scorsese flicks is still better than playing in a superior comic flick. I can't say I blame him, but still...

Maybe McG has learned a thing or two since Charlie's Angels. Maybe he was holding back and has some real vision. I know it's unlikely but one can dream can't they? Anyway, I know I've been waiting for this film for some time now, and was disappointed when T3 didn't take place in the future so while I have mixed feelings about the director and the cast, I'm still hoping the whole thing works.

Yes, except Bigelow is a huge bitch and none of the studios like working with her. She's the Julie Taymor of commercial films. The entire industry let out a big sigh of relief when K-19: Widowmaker bombed.

yeah that was the best excuse their writing team could come up with.<br> <br> Why would John Connor need to send back that exact same model in order to believe it's there to help him?

to seeing The Machinist yet. I love Bale, and I don't know what is creepier, the fact that he looks so freaky in the movie, or the fact that he practically starved himself to lose the weight. The only transformation I can compare it to it Crowe going from overweight in The Insider and then dropping it to kill everything in sight in Gladiator. Then again Donofrio was buff as "Thor" only to pack on the pounds to play Pyle; Russell got jacked for Soldier, and Hanks was pretty skinny in Castaway, but Bale is always one to takes things to the extreme. It's also probably easier to pack it on than take it off. Love Bale's action stuff of course, (understatement)but he needs to get another drama under his belt soon.

Bale is no box-office draw, just a hugely respected actor from both critics and geeks. Would he help sell some tickets? Some, but not enough to be a hit letalone a mega hit the way T3 was with 433 million worldwide--that was all SCHWARZENEGGER!!! The TERMINATOR name would sell most of the tickets before fading away. But Bale and Arnold teaming up as Connor and Arnie as a tough-as-nails soldier, that could really work!

before American Psycho (terrible movie), except Velvet Goldmine (distributed like shit outside the US, and I heard inside as well), the prince of Jutland (same here) and Empire of the sun (one of the weakest Spielbergs, and who cares about the children actors anyway?) so Equilibrium and Batman Begins did a lot for his career, it's undeniable. I doubt being the baddie in Shaft 2000, dubbing Disney flicks or playing Jesus for TV would've put him on geeks radar, or anyone's radar for that matter.

than Schwarzenegger. Look at some of his last films: End of Days, The 6th Day, Collateral Damage. He wasn't exactly lighting the box office on fire towards the end there. His heyday was the eighties which carried over into the early nineties. Unfortunately most people don't know what to do with him as an actor. Cameron was one of the few people who was capable of fitting him into a role naturally made for him. The Terminator franchise is still viable without Schwarzenegger if the movies are still well made. Although, admittedly that's a big "if".

I doubt she'd be interested by an all-out, post apocalyptic future war movie with robots. I'm not sure the director of Near Dark, Point Break or Strange Days would find anything fitting her sensibility in that. She's good at blowing up stuff, but I'm not sure she likes it enough to give up 2 years of her life for that. Anyway, they chose a low-grade-yet-competent director, let's just wait and see now.

if Arnie did come back for the very small role of a hardened fighter for T4...it would be the best and most gracious roles of his career if he came back and his screen time was brief but powerful (good friend, good soldier, tragic casualty, model for terminator)....i think it would be Arnie's first DEATH scene- he's always the survivor. It would be a great final notch in his career, give him some credibility, and show just HOW HARD the future struggle is. And it would be the only good way to pass the torch of the series. one of the biggest probs of the ALIEN franchise was dragging Ripley along for every film, and having to script it to accomodate her character. it was called ALIENS, after all, not RIPLEY:bad ass woman. and this series is called TERMINATOR, if you get my drift. Let arnie show up at the beginning, get offed, then have his terminator get made CGI style at the end of T4. Pay arnie for his likeness, problem solved.

End Of Days

Rbatty024, TERMINATOR's name sold the box-office more than ARNOLD? That's gotta be the dumbest fucking thing I've heard! For anyone that feels the same way, get a real clue. Could a T4 work without Arnie? A "big" maybe but thats if the script is written by god himself and it's an amazing bar pusher Cameron style...but make no mistake, it was ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER that sold the tickets in all 3 TERMINATOR films! Arnold was the biggest star on the planet when T2 came out and it was all Arnie and Camerons directing what T2 made 518 million worldwide. If you put Colin Hanks (Tom's son) as a TERMINATOR, would the Terminator name sell the film??? Come on, don't make stupid statements like that!

Yeah End of Days.<br> <br> Oh and Predator, Terminator 1 and Terminator 2.<br> Am I missing any?

Terminator 3. How could I forget?

I agree with Rbatty024.

That buddhist movie sounds awesome.

Ask any producer in Hollywood why TERMINATOR sold and it will all be the same: ARNOLD! I could care what some of you think. I'm pulling for BALE and McG in T4 but the sad fact is ARNOLD's name needs to be on the film to sell HUGE AROUND THE PLANET! "It is Time."

Then at the end we would learn that Connor was a robot THE WHOLE TIME

Dude didn't die in predator he got to tha choppaa

He would be the star of T4 again. His governorship fucked him over in T4. Hope he is still involved in a future KING CONAN film!

yup, sorry i didn't see end of days- and i don't consider 'dying' as a terminator really dying, i meant a human death...but you are all technically right.

uhm yeah ok I'll ask around.<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Nope, sorry. They all said it was the franchise name that sold it.

in the dream sequence where his head imploded.<br> He didn't die in Predator? Oh yeah maybe he didn't now you mention it. But he should have though, considdering the size of that bomb.

yeah, arnie survived a fucking nuclear explosion only getting dusty before the choppers came and got him.....but a fun fact: in the darkhorse comics continuity, arnie aka 'dutch' is rescued from the events of predator one only to succumb to some strange virus (assumedley released as a second 'fuck you' from predator technology) and dies shortly after reaching medical help.

so we have arnie dying <P>1)in a dream sequence <P>2)as a robot 'shutting down' <P>3)(i assume, having not seen end of days)sacrificing himself supernaturally to beat the devil. <P>so my case still stands, he hasn't died as a man in combat yet.

to T1 as well. Arnold's name probably did have something to do with the box office of T2 though. T1 was his first role and while his "performance" might have helped the film, it hardly drew in a large box office. During T2 he was a huge star and that is probably why the film was a hit, I'll give you that. T3 though? By that time he had a string of failures and no one was able to fit him into films as well as they could in the eighties. I don't think many people went to see T3 because of Arnold Schwarzenegger. It was the franchise more than the character and I think the studios have picked up on that considering the Sarah Conner Chronicles and T4 is without Arnold.

was the sole reason to make T3! Without him, the film was in big trouble and no one wanted to see a T3 without Mr. Schwarzenegger. Mario Kassar and Andrew Vajna did polls and numerous research and they all came back and stated that SCHWARZENEGGER was the sole factor for make T3. Do you guys think after his amazing performance (for an action star in the iconic T1 & T2)that T3 would be made and people would pay to see it without Arnold? Think what you want but facts are facts. T3 made 150 million domestic because Arnold was in it. T3 made 433 million worldwide because Arnold is a GOD overseas (especially with Terminator). I'd love to see BALE by himself carry TERMINATOR SALVATION to 150 million of T3 or the 204 milion on T2 the way Arnie did. Northlander, you're a fucking idiot who pretends to know what he is talking abaout!

If I'm an idiot for thinking T4 doesn't need Arnold Schwarzenegger then so are the people who invest millions of dollars in the three new planned Terminator movies and the Sarah Connor TV show.<br> I live overseas, and schwarzenegger is far from a "god" over here. He hasn't been popular in over a decade.

A decade would make it 1997 and over a decade is '97' and before....lets see, if Schwarzenegger hasn't been popular at those times then why these box-office grosses...ERASER (96)242 million worldwide with 141 million foreign; BATMAN & ROBIN (97) 238 million worldwide with props going to Arnold for the 130 million foreign in the Hollywood trades at that time; END OF DAYS (99) 211 million worldwide with 145 million foreign outgrossing BATMAN & ROBIN foreign; TERMINATOR 3: RISE OF THE MACHINES 433 million worldwide with 283 million foreign...Northlander, no what the fuck you are talking about before you say "over a decade"...

But the fact that Collateral Damage made even 1 dollar is down to him. A Terminator sans Arnie could well be a success but it will take a lot more than Christian Bale to do it. Although people wouldn't rush out to see a new 'Arnie' film the terminator is inextricably linked with Schwarzenegger and his absence would definitely put a dent in the credibility of the project and significantly lower the potential profit the film might make.

Arnie isn't the draw he once was but TERMINATOR is his and he (and Cameron) made it what it is equally. If any of you fucks say watching T1 & T2 and not admiting Arnie is the shit in those films and why they are so BAD ASS, then you guys can go watch McG's CHARLIES ANGELS films because that will tell me what kind of action and action stars you like.

is that both Terminator 3 and Batman & Robin were franchise movies more than "Arniemovies". That's what drew the crowd, and that's why they grossed more than his other movies at the time.<br> There hasn't been a TRULY great "Arniemovie", and by that I mean action movie where he is the sole reason to see the movie and it's not part of a franchise, since True Lies. That was in 1994, over a decade ago.<br> Eraser, End of Days, 6th Day, Collateral Damage are all pretty pale compared to any of his earlier movies.

If Arnie made TRUE LIES 2 it would be considered a franchise movie and therefor Arnie wasn't the sole draw to you right Northlander?!? If you think and say so pal!!! Batman & Robin I'll give it that the name BATMAN/franchise has been around since the 30's, but Arnie built the TERMINATOR franchise pal!!! Next you'll tell me RAMBO is a franchise movie and people will be paying to see "it" rather than Sly Stallone. It's Stallone as an older bad ass Rambo why people will pay to see RAMBO on January 25th and it's Arnie why people would go see a T4. Of course the "curious" moviegoer will pay to see it because Bale is a good actor and they'll think SCHWARZENEGGER is in it, but a box-office draw (Arnie for T1,T2,T3,T4) is different than a great actor that people love (Bale)...get the difference!?

You talk about it as an outsider. I was merely talking about it from the point of view of an insider. I'm a fan of her work, and not a fan of McG's. So I'm not defending him and trashing her. Merely talking about the reality of the situation. If you want further 'insider' perspective, the studio wouldnt hire Bigelow because they wouldnt want to upset Cameron either. Make no mistake, Hollywood IS a boy's club. And men can be arrogant pricks a lot easier than women can. It's reality, and unfair, but such is life. Appreciate your idealism, though.

There's a new Conan movie comming out in two years without Arnie.<br> <br> It's not really fair comparing the Terminator movies with Rambo since Rambo is both the titular character as well as the main character while Arnie's T-800 has never been the main character of the Terminator franchise.<br> But since there's also been a new Mad Max movie in the works for a long time without Mel Gibson, I could see how a continuation of the Rambo movies without Sly could potentially work if the new movie ends up getting really big.<br> How many James Bond movies have there been now? 22 or something?

Now you are comparing Bond and it's numerous actors to Arnie and Sly's iconic signature roles! You are a piece of work who understands nothng in Hollywood. PREDATOR 2 (for your info) was a flop and grossed 30 something million while Arnie's grossed 59 million. So what if AVP made money. It's shit and ofcourse it would have since it has a fanbase. The movie is called TERMINATOR, not JOHN CONNOR. The character of Connor might be the savior, but the role of TERMINATOR became the main star!!!!!!!!Regarding Rambo, the movie is called RAMBO, not BURMA. Fuck that flop CONAN without Schwarzenegger and Milius.

if there wasn't a profit in making three terminator movies, they wouldn't be making them. Hollywood executives don't take chances, that's also why we have endless sequels and remakes instead of fresh ideas.

Well, this is the perfect project to use the de-aging process used in the intro to X-men 3 throughout an entire feature. It would be groundbreaking to have an old Michael Biehn playing a young Kyle Reese. No other actor should be cast. I'm looking forward to it only to see the relationship between John Connor and Reese with Connor knowing that his buddy is his father. Now that would be an interesting dynamic. Don't miss this great opportunity to do something stunning, Mr. McGriddle.

I can't say I like that guy's performance in anything I've seen him in (although the only movie I really remember him from is die hard 4) but somehow that casting suggestion actually makes a lot of sense to me.<br> <br> I really wouldn't mind that at all.<br> Keep in mind also that John Connor has been played by three actors so far and there will be at least two more with the tv series and the new movies so somebody else playing Kyle Reese isn't really that big of a deal.

except for one thing, at least if Bale is Connor.<br> Olyphant is actually six years older than Bale. Doh.

In "T4", is like Episode 4--will introduce all the Resistance characters and focus on John Connors, Kate Brewster, his armies leading up to their fight against the Skynet. In T5, the Skynet (Empire) Strikes Back, where Kyle and the Resistance fall back. In T6, The Return of the Resistance and the Final Fight against the Skynet and wins.

If Vin Diesel is indeed cast, he'll play 2nd to Christian Bale...since the story plot may focus on John Connor--which may be good for Vin. For the fact, his video game company Tigon Studios's head of VP, Cos Lauzouras is on board for The Halcyon Company T4 video games. Does that mean Vin's on board as well or did Cos quit Tigon to Halcyon? Anyone know?

There were some rumors or reports going around a few weeks back that the new trilogy would center not on John Connor but on someone else in the resistence.<br> <br> My guess would be that Kyle Reese is the main character and John Connor is the mentor character (think Morpheus or Ben Kenobi) who according to Campbell's mythological Hero's Journey storytelling structure would teach the main character what he needs to know in order to beat the badguys. The mentor would also give the main character a gift, and then die so the main character could take his place.<br> If I'm guessing right, the gift in this case would be the photo of Sarah Connor and possibly the ability to reprogram the terminators (which he did in the extended cut of T2 if you remember).<br> <br> If they choose to continue on the ideas presented in T3 with John Connor being killed in the future, it would make sense to have another main character being the "Hero". Also, if Reese going back in time to save Sarah Connor in T1 is enough to save the resistance, then him going through the portal at the end of T6 might work if they write it that way.<br> <br> Of course this is just speculation based on rumors, but I'm just saying if that's what they'll do then it might make sense.

And that sucked. I don't if Christian is the best for a great leader of the remainder of humanity. I mean the guy totally kicks ass, and if this is true I will totally see the movie just for that. However, Bale usually does such good movies that I am skeptical that he would sign on to a McG Terminator film......

I think a futuristic trilogy will fit well within the Terminator mythos. At this point the mythology is more important than individual actors. The ability for the terminators to mimic humans could make for some great paranoid storytelling, something like "Screamers," and it hasn't really been explored as much as it could be.

I really like that movie. Are you people still pissed about the misleading poster?

great. I mean they just glossed over the whole destruction of mankind, and how the dragons returned. I'm a sucker for good origin stories and that's what pissed me off about Reign of Fire. Hell, I had to skip back a few times to get a load of all the news clippings, and hear what the hell he was saying. Plus, they unearthed one dragon. Where did the others come from. Was it a mating call of this one or what? And yeah Dredd Undies that poster was a ripoff. Didn't it have helicopters going head to head against dragons, and then in the movie you get only one helicopter that was running around with its tail between its legs. Like I said, good, but not great. They took a very original concept and watered it down big time.

JUST because he's Arnold-ish muscleman in Fast and Furious and Riddick? ....IMO he really doesnt fit the part of a Terminator, despite his physique. He has kind of a babyface when compared to the rough and ready faces of Arnold, Stallone, and even Robert Patrick. He looks like he'll sooner be in the next MTV dance movie than Terminator.<BR><BR> The 2nd name I keep hearing is The Rock. Are we this uncreative?

Northlander, the trilogy's got potential if the T4 script focus on the human elements; develop the character arcs of the key resistance leaders, whether it's John, Kyle, or that "one survivor who happens to be a traitor in disguise" and not so much on the terminator robots. The stories and "7 timeline" are paradoxically confusing and complex for the general public or for anyone who don't really follow. 90% of those who's going to watch will turn off their brains, get "wow"ed while munching on popcorns and Hot Tamales. I'm hoping the producers will probably try to deliver a script that will satisfy both worlds and not go in a Bay-esque fashion, and blow shi^ up for cheap thrills. With that in mind, I'm curious what the producer's got up in their sleeve. For T4, I'd like to see the 2 main characters pro/antagonist as buddies, develop a strong friendship, bond, and trust in building the resistance. Then we have Kate Brewster as the "intuitive" type who sense the danger in the antagaonist but is not sure because he's John's best friend and a "good guy". As for the Skynet, they have to be careful and not pull the I-ROBOT where you have robot armies created by a lone lunatic. I'm not sure how this will pan out. Looks like it will be in T5, where they focus on Skynet and their metal armies striking back? For cast, I'd like to see Rachel Weisz to play Kate Brewster, Vin Diesel to play the antagonist, Michael Biehn to play the "dad" Kyle Reese to Christian Bale's John Connor.

and Christian Bale as Kyle Reese? I'm half serious here.

Let's be realistic here. CG de-aging is in the face, like makeup but there's more to age than just how the face looks. Biehn is 51 years old, no way can he possibly play 20-something Kyle Reese again.<br> Do you REALLY want a 50-year-old playing a 20-year-old?

I agree that the focus needs to be on the resistance fighters and everything.<br> <br> Still though. I'm not too sure about this whole future war thing when it really comes down to it.<br> Why? Because technically what we're getting here is the back story to the previous movies. Remember last time we got a "back story trilogy"? Technically, these movies will not be sequels, but prequels. I can't really think of one single prequel to a movie that's been REALLY good. We already know what's gonna happen and we don't need to see it.<br> <br> Didn't we learn anything from starwars?

Bale as Connor would be perfect in my eyes. Bale as Terminator as another site says would suck. Ahnold should have a cameo but is too old and busy for a staring role. What I would like to see is a factory line full of newly made model 101s, all with Arnie's young-ified face. Perhaps they infiltrate a Skynet factory and see a long hallway with walls covered in dormant 101 models. That would be the perfect arnold cameo in my book. That scene almost made it in to the beginning of T2, put it in T4.

There was some new news on the site this weekend... I know everyone is with family, holiday weekend and all... And we'll probably get 17 new postings on Monday morning but still.. I am right in the middle of a cycle of insomnia, about 3 months in, and it would be great if there were something decent to read on the web...

I think we'll see Bale chew gum with his asshole before we see him in a McG flick.

I have to say, two 'Charlie's Angels' movies, do NOT a career define. Hell, both of them were better than Pirana 2. McG certainly ain't our first choice, but hes by no means a lost cause....... Just forget the awful motorbike race scene in Full Throttle... and hope he doesn't apply that kind of logic and visual approach to any hardcore Terminator action. I don't think Cameron is required to continue this story.... <p> I second the motion... it is indeed time for a little news on this website. <p> I hear theres a new Batman film coming out.... has anyone told Harry?

that's the one with Downey and Paltrow, right?^^

"I'll be back, number one. Warp speed." <p> I think you meant Robert Patrick, ganymede3010, although stranger casting has happened.

"Beam me up to 1984, Johnny Boy!"

and wanted to see almost anyone but McG direct T4.

is a great choice to play a terminator. It'll play against type, kind of like how they have Summer Glau playing as a terminator in the TV show. Why not? It can't be a worse idea than having McG direct.

Its a shame they never made a sequel to that Batman Begins flick which came out a few years back.... anyone know if theres any plans to do one? <p> im sure we'll kept up to date if theres any cool news.... anything at all.

it would be pretty cool if like, a ton of interactive, witty sites were to pop up for the new batman movie...yknow, like 7 more than for cloverfield or something....sites you could actually participate in them and shit.....maybe somethin like that would spark AICN's interest......i had my doubts about ledger as the joker, but it sounds like the man forced himself to borderline insanity to get into the role. that in itself is more interesting and worthy of AICN's trademark "!!!'s" than them mandating we buy some fantastic four shit on black friday. <P>this site's personal bias is really showing these days. <P>objective entertainment reporting? ha ha yeah.

i assumed AICN's article was about fantastic four and not fantasticfest2008...but their lame pun of using FANTASTIC in the headline threw me. Either way, DARK KNIGHT 2008!!! <P>get with the program,haters. you're losing readership.

a new BATMAN MOVIE?!? Seriously? But I check this site like 3 times a day, EVERY day and I haven't seen jack shit about it here... are you SURE thees a new Batman film? <P> No wait, theres a hazy image in the back of my head... hang on......... yeh....... yeh its becoming clearer.... yeh, a fuzzy image of Morgan Freeman, in....... in.......... in a Hong Kong shopping mall or something............ yeh..... Wow, I take it all back........ there really is FULL ON COVERAGE happening here!!

from what i hear, there may be a batman movie in june, i think. i've heard it mentioned and kept up with on a few other sites like <P>batman-on-film.com <P>superherohype.com and a few other sites that actually update daily, are cool ,and report news. <P>We already know more about batman in June or July than we do about Cloverfield coming out in january but i guess being kept in the dark about the next overhyped (but under revealed) ID4 formula blockbuster tickles the nut hairs of AICN more than a thoughtful and mature reinvention of a timeless franchise.

everytime i read this headline i think it says John Wayne is Bruce Banner...but at least they finally fixed the spelling of connEr to connOr...and it only took about 300 posts from fanboys over 2 days to do it..<P> the simple misspelling had us all freaking out about how it related to the fucking storyline. Great reporting.

I could sort of see that happening. I mean, he's not deader than Bill Bixby, and Bill Bixby played Bruce Banner, so.

Pilgrim, don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry.

Jean-Claude Van Damme.<br> <br> THAT would be brilliant casting. He would be SO perfect for this.

Like anyone wouldn't pay to see this:<br> http://tinyurl.com/2x5oeo

Has anyone seen the commercials for the Terminator TV show....with that teen girl saying "come with me if you want to live"....that line was delivered so weakly and so cheesily...WTF, no teen girl Terminators!!

they should have set it in the future where the human resistance fought against skynet. It could be like the new V or something.<br> Or even better, V is out on DVD so no need to make a terminator tv series. might as well cancel it now.<br> <br> I was serious about that link btw.

I'll disagree with many and say I'm excited as hell for Christian Bale to kick SkyNet's ass. Who better to play the great John Connor as an adult?<p> "He's got a strength," Reese told Sarah in the orginal. If McG goes for R-rated drama instead of Charlie's Angels silliness, the fourth Terminator could give us a science fiction asskicking we haven't seen since T2.<p> Get a good writer, construct an epic story, hire a high-level cinematographer and artists, and let Bale bust some heads.<p> Please!

fucking owns. Meanwhile Ultraviolet sucks, and it's probably not even Wimmer's fault (the studio has to share that blame). Anyway, everyone I share this news with about Bale siging up fpr this franchise responds with the same word: Weird. But most of them also agree it's fucking cool casting. Bale's one of the shrewdest actor out there and he's not going to sign up if there aren't at least a few practical reasons.

You don't say? Oh, and the poster who had the 3 film narative that follows the OT formula made me smile. I'd totally see that trilogy...if there was a different director attached. I'd actually want Robert Rodriguez. I loved Desperado and Planet Terror, and I think he'd be respectfull of the franchise and not screw around with it.

He's the guy that's directing the piece of crap TV show, "CHUCK". The "OC" wasn't bad. Just let him stick with TV.

yeah I'm really not into any of McG's work. About Chuck though, according to imdb he directed one episode and if it was bad I don't think that's his fault.<br> Television doesn't work the same as movies. In TV the people with real power are the writers, while the directors pretty much just do what they're told. In movies, it's the other way around.

So i don´t care about Terminator 4 or Terminator 57. These movies are like Poltergeist or Jaws sequels.

seth cohen fights water polo robots <P>[`-']

...and then be forced to fuck up and let them both go through the TDU! Or something.

then be forced to fuck up and let them both go through the TDU! Or something. Scratch that previous post.

then be forced to fuck up and let them both go through the TDU. Sorry, it seems that by writing the words 'fuck up', I keep fucking up the post.

Maybe he can scramble the Terminator's tracking circuitry with his lisp.

...that I can't write more than two words in the header box. I wanted to say Bale Connor should come up against '84 Terminator AND the T1000 in the Cheyenne Mountain complex while trying to get to the Skynet core. A fight ensues where he deliberately allows the Terminators to go through the TDU, both being unsuspecting that they will be creating the very hero who will destroy their master...

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Brett Harrison from the TV series "Reaper" is a dead ringer for Biehn, and he has the acting chops to pull off a good Reese. As for Bale being Connor, it would really add a dramatic weight to the franchise, especially without Arnold. As an aging soldier, I'd throw him in there if he's down for it. It'd sure be interesting how they'd pull that off though. And if this shit is set in the future, it better damn well have a massive budget like it deserves. Ever since the intro to T2, the future war has been on every Terminator fan's mind, whether they like to admit it or not so I'm sure we're all dying to see how this pans out.

Bale will quit the project as soon as he finds out that the director; Joseph McGinty is an alias for McG.

I knew this like 2 weeks ago. Personally, I'm surprised Bale would jump right to a big action franchise when he already has Dark Knight to contend with. You'd think he'd want to vary his projects a bit more...

Like jesus christ, how unwieldy is that thing?? It should just follow the pattern set by previous films. Terminator 4: Subtitle.

http://tinyurl.com/2owplt

with big battles, Resistance living a shitty life eating rats, no silly humor and Bale as JC the Savior. And no more fucking with the established chronology, or retcon to fit with the useless novels and other tie-ins ignored by 90% of the fans. I mean, is that so difficult to make a good post-apocalyptic war movie against Stan Winston's fucking robots?

You mean THIS guy?? <br> http://tinyurl.com/ytq4re<br> <br> He looks more like Jason Biggs than Michael Biehn to me. Or maybe Jake Gyllenhaal. But not Michael Biehn.

I'd seen that earlier on superherohype.com and was wondering if it was posted here. Good thing the talk-backers are on it, the staff of AICN would've let this one slip by as well. Hope it's a good Joker pic.

As others have pointed out, there isn't much excitement from this camp, and when something IS posted, it's with kind of a "ho-hum, this looks ok, I guess.." type of attitude. Which is funny, in that most of the talkbacers are medium to mega amped for TDK. All will be silent when the trailer hits! Cheers.

... And with that I have nothing else to add. =D

Equilibrium review. You've had enought time. Or, maybe you saw it and you were the one disappointed, although I hope the opposite is true.

Christian Bale would give this film credibility and Vin Diesel would bring the cool. These two rumored stars would completely change my initial lack-of-interest to being really, REALLY excited about this film.

It's hard to see in static images. It's the way he acts. His facial expressions and composure. It's Biehn to a T. He even has that Biehn mouth. He could play a younger Reese. Check out some clips of him.

What's with that rumor going on over at CHUD are claiming Christian Bale is set to play another character and not J.C. nor the Terminator!!? Now, why do I have a feeling that for the 1st part of the trilogy-T4 will not be introducing The Terminator? Maybe in T5 or T6? It appears that T4 will be heavy on the human aspect--the Resistance and not so much the Skynet and their metal machines. The main plot? "John vs. The Traitor" ...the Christian Bale role, very likely. Now, who's going to be John Connors? I highly doubt it's Vin Diesel. We're expecting "The Terminator" to show up and waiting for the announcement of who's going to be the next "Terminator"....but the way this is looking, it may not even happen at all?!! If they are, it's going to be in T5 and/or T6? KISSman24, it looks like a "kiss my ass" to that awesome matchup between the cool Vin Diesel and the credible Christian Bale. Ohboy!

There is SOME truth to this rumor. MSN is reporting on the story that Bale is "in serious talks" about T4, but they mention that "he hasn't signed on the dotted line". AICN and Harry get a shout-out in the story, and so do the fanboys. The writer even questions Bale coming off of great work in many films, as to why he would work with "a guy whos crowning achievement is Charlie's Angles". LOL. Go to msn.com under Entertainment to read the article.

...then that's encouraging. It's what T2 *should* have been, rather than that overrated juvenile shit we were given.

Phail.

He's just doing it to provoke.

I hate to admit it but I actually kind of agree.

If they changed it to some Scientist type character (you know, he pioneered whatever technology is necesary to build the life-like robots), he could just sit behind a desk for the whole movie, delivering all the technobabble and exposition, and then turn out to be the model for the robots just as credibly.

..and it was called Reign of Fire. Insert robots instead of Dragons...

Equilibrium DOES exist in this dojo? I am so glad you liked it. I would have felt like a total dweeb if you hated this after I plugged it so hard. Now go on You Tube and check out the Rob Zombie Dragula condensed kill-a-thon.

Equilibrium DOES exist in this dojo? I am so glad you liked it. I would have felt like a total dweeb if you hated this after I plugged it so hard. Now go on You Tube and check out the Rob Zombie Dragula condensed kill-a-thon.

face the wrath of the Gun-Kata. Yes, the opening was bland, just like the world within the movie. However, if you go back and watch the DVD commentary you will understand why they did it the way they did. Okay, maybe it's asking too much of the average moviegoer to wait for the DVD commentary to understand, but I can see where they were coming from. I tell everyone the same thing: Sure,the first five minutes are boring as hell, and you're like yawn, snooze but, as soon as the action kicks in.......hell yeah.

there'd be all this emotional stuff, since john already "knows" him as the father-figure-robot from his past (their future)

Bale is Connor. Though Connor's not the main character.

Josh Duhammel for Kyle Reese anyone??

Since he knows whats going to happen in terms of Soldier Arnold getting taken away by Skynet, cant he change it? (The premise of Minority report)....Cant he just hide Arnold away in some bunker......maybe Skynet got Arnold's DNA in an unexpected way....maybe they just scrapped up some of his dry piss or something...

So here goes: Harry, you were right. I was wrong. Hollywood Reporter has announced that Bale is in negotiations. I still don't get WHY he'd do it (especially with McG at the helm - don't get me wrong, Joe's a nice guy, but... Terminator?) Anyway. "You were right. Tell your sister... you were right."

they should have gotten furlong