Nov. 21, 2007, 5:32 a.m. CST
by Kauzi Sezso
But I'll take what I can get.
Nov. 21, 2007, 5:33 a.m. CST
Just picked up the TPB. It's pretty good so I'm expecting big things from Angel.
Nov. 21, 2007, 5:35 a.m. CST
I hope this doesn't soil it.
Nov. 21, 2007, 5:41 a.m. CST
they wrapped up what they had in case it was though
Nov. 21, 2007, 5:55 a.m. CST
With the TV show, they seemed to have to deal with various limitations that made them focus more on character, dialogue, plot, etc. while, in the comic books, that might take a back seat to a two-page splash of a flying dragon or whatever pops into the writer's head. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. Then again, it could work.
Nov. 21, 2007, 6:03 a.m. CST
by Harold The Great
There are at least two dozen legit ways to bring him back to life somehow. Illyria wouldn't work without him. DO IT!
Nov. 21, 2007, 6:48 a.m. CST
by Uncle Stan
Best line ever.
Nov. 21, 2007, 7:30 a.m. CST
Where's our Futurama BBS talkback??
Nov. 21, 2007, 7:38 a.m. CST
Your best bet is to wait for the trade collections. Can't wait for IDW's new DOCTOR WHO series with brand-new Tenth Doctor stories though...
Nov. 21, 2007, 8:08 a.m. CST
I love Futurama, too, but you're an idiot for expecting the talkback before Thanksgiving when it doesn't come out until Tuesday.
Nov. 21, 2007, 8:17 a.m. CST
They are in Hell, they can bring back anyone that died. Getting them back to Earth might be a bit tricky,though...
Nov. 21, 2007, 8:48 a.m. CST
That's not saying as much as Herc would have you believe.
Nov. 21, 2007, 9:29 a.m. CST
Let Wesley rest though.
Nov. 21, 2007, 9:58 a.m. CST
by Richard Cranium
Calling these comic book runs 'seasons' is just fucking irritating. It reeks of not being able to let go of the TV series. I loved the Angel TV series as well, but in retrospect I'm glad it ended when it did instead of dwindling into mediocrity at the end like Buffy did. That series should've ended when she died. That would've been the greatest finale in TV history.
Nov. 21, 2007, 10:06 a.m. CST
I am so excited for this. Ever since it was announced last March I have been dying to read this. Wont get it till tomorrow or Friday so will have to stay off the relevent sites till I get it. Its gonnea be a great year for Angel fans!:)
Nov. 21, 2007, 10:25 a.m. CST
At least not in the pics above.
Nov. 21, 2007, 10:26 a.m. CST
by Harold The Great
That's right, I didn't even think of that - although I didn't think they're literary in hell. Is it safe to assume that Buffy Season 8 and Angel Season 6 are in different continuities? Wouldn't Slayers INC. notice if L.A. turned into that? Or maybe it will be the twist at the end of the series. L.A. is still intact. It's Angel and the gang who disappeared into a hell dimension, where L.A. looks like this, they just don't know it.
Nov. 21, 2007, 10:40 a.m. CST
Harold the Great: Its not clear exactly where Angel takes place in relation to Buffy. I think they are around the same time. Buffy take place a few months after Not Fade Away as does this comic, so I think Angel takes place around September 2004.
Nov. 21, 2007, 10:44 a.m. CST
...that Angel Season 5 took place after Buffy had already ended, and featured Buffy Season 8-era Andrew and his division of Buffy's Slayer army turning up, as well as Angel and Spike visiting (the retconned) Buffy decoy in Rome as mentioned in Buffy S8. The LA in hell thing probably hasn't happened yet in Buffy S8, and I'm going to assume that Angel S6 covers LA's reintroduction to Earth and presumably the some kind of history/memory rewrite so the general populace doesn't know.
Nov. 21, 2007, 10:50 a.m. CST
Joss has said that Buffy Season 8 takes place "a year and a half after Chosen", which would place it *after* Not Fade Away, like After the Fall. Its a pity it all isnt more clear, cos there is still confusion in the fandom as to when everything takes place
Nov. 21, 2007, 10:52 a.m. CST
Joss has said that Buffy Season 8 takes place "a year and a half after Chosen", which would place it *after* Not Fade Away and Angel Season 5, like After the Fall. Its a pity it all isnt more clear, cos there is still confusion in the fandom as to when everything takes place
Nov. 21, 2007, 10:52 a.m. CST
Nov. 21, 2007, 10:54 a.m. CST
by Harold The Great
There is the telepathic fish from the Spike comics. In those there's no sign of HelL.A. Not to mention those crappy Angel books set after season 5. Those are thrown out the window now I guess.
Nov. 21, 2007, 11:02 a.m. CST
ya I think they are IDWverse timeline. Dont know if Betta George will 'know' Spike in After the Fall.We'll have to wait and see...
Nov. 21, 2007, 11:07 a.m. CST
It can never be as good as the Angel tv show. Season 5 had great closure. Don't need no stinkin comic to fuck it up. Angel 4 Life.
Nov. 21, 2007, 11:25 a.m. CST
will have to wait til Friday till I get mine:( And Toby_Wong - dont worry your pretty little head about it.
Nov. 21, 2007, 12:02 p.m. CST
Angel was barely watchable the last few seasons. Let the franchise pass into the sweet bye and bye.
Nov. 21, 2007, 2:35 p.m. CST
or just say "goats".
Nov. 21, 2007, 3:14 p.m. CST
Just finished reading #1. Pretty good. I didn't quite see the ending coming, which is nice for a change. My only 3 complaints are 1) that most of the characters were reintroduced very quickly, 2)no Illyria or Spike(yet), and 3)the art fails to live up to Buffy excellence.<p> <p> As far as complaint #1 goes... I pretty much expected quick reintroductions. This is a 12 issue run, unlike Whedon's planned 50+ issue season 6 for Buffy. I understand the need for compression in this Angel book. Just being a bitch about it really. =) <p> <p> Gripe #2... No Illyria or Spike. Okay, again, pretty minor. We've just seen Spike in "Shadow Puppets" so I shouldn't be missing him that much. It's just that he's just such a good foil to the Batman wannabe Angel. As for Illyria, would've been nice to see her only to get her perspective on this "LA gone to Hell" stuff. Plus, it would've provided some more female representation. Seeing Gwen and Nina was nice, but no substitute for the likes of Illyria/Fred or Cordy. (Don't even say that she's dead. Nobody's permanently dead in sci-fi or fantasy. =) Really. )<p> <p> Grip #3 is probably my only legit complaint. Team Buffy has thus far done an excellent job of keeping the action clear, the faces recognizable, and the definition crisp. Team Angel keeps the level of detail fairly high, but it's at the expense of crisp art or recognizable faces. (Don't mention likeness rights. I'm pretty sure that stuff was worked out before including these characters.) Sometimes, the Angel art borders on sketchy, almost like Leinel Yu's New Avengers work, but with a more goth tone.<p> <p> Overall, the book is definitely a solid B or 3.5/5 stars. If the writing is consistently solid and the art tightens up a bit, the book could be a keeper. Now, if only we can get some our favorite Pylian... =)
Nov. 21, 2007, 3:57 p.m. CST
must be a really slow seller.
Nov. 21, 2007, 4:53 p.m. CST
It's a good distinction, as it's usually rare for non-Marvel or DC product to crack the top 10 on a consistent basis (the acclaimed Star Wars Legacy series is one of the few from Dark Horse to do so, off the top of my head).
Nov. 21, 2007, 5:10 p.m. CST
by Charlie Murphy
i bought both covers and will read it pretty quick.
Nov. 21, 2007, 7:44 p.m. CST
by Akira Cowabunga
is to get some resolution from the cliffhanger ending of season five. Still think that was cheap on Joss Whedon's part. But the art on these comics (talking Buffy here, too) is just a bad match for the type of storytelling they require. These guys can make pretty pictures, like the dragon over the city, but the battle scenes are poorly drawn and look like they've been inked with a Hershey bar.
Nov. 21, 2007, 7:47 p.m. CST
Why are these still being called "seasons"??? Jesus.
Nov. 22, 2007, 12:09 a.m. CST
Excellent way to bring Wesley back. Vamp Gunn is going to be sweet. And I have to take the opposite stance on the art. I hate the art in Buffy, but I thought the Angel art was gorgeous. The characters actually look like the characters, unlike Buffy where only Buffy, Giles and Willow even slightly resemble their screen counterparts. (and yes, yes, I know that is on purpose. still bugs me a little). Side note: When they first started calling the new comics "Seasons," I thought it was pretty dumb. But the more people that bitch about it, the more I want to refer to them as seasons.
Nov. 22, 2007, 12:13 a.m. CST
Marketing gimmick. I'm baffled as to why it's hard to understand why they would label them as such. It's to draw the fans of the shows in to a continuing mythology of the series.
Nov. 22, 2007, 12:23 a.m. CST
by John Winchester
I doubt even Joss Whedon could change his mind.
Nov. 22, 2007, 12:52 a.m. CST
so i can be first in line to buy it when the shop opens. fuck its cold out here but im amped. some fucker just peed on me. 6 more hours wooot!
Nov. 22, 2007, 1:37 a.m. CST
a buying frenzy for the weekend. .
Nov. 22, 2007, 6:05 a.m. CST
Stupid UK is useless for buying comics, no idea where to get it here. Can someone scan it in and torrentify it please :) or alternately, tell me where I can buy it in UK land.
Nov. 22, 2007, 10:23 a.m. CST
Not even close for me. Illyria. Happy and peaceful Thanksgiving.
Nov. 22, 2007, 1:04 p.m. CST
I got my copy, and am over the moon. I love it! Everything about it is perfect. I feel so bad for Angel. It did NOT go well for him did it! Things look really bleak right now. I'm sure our heroes will find away out...but not for 12 issues;) I am glad he is still fighting and trying to do good. He has to doesnt he. I cant wait to see what this year has in store for him. It wont be easy, but I know he has a plan. Hope it goes better though! I'm glad I was right about Wesley - it fits in perfectly with the mythology of the show i.e. Holland Manners, Lilah et al. So so sad though. Im sure he must be mad at Angel - and I can see quite a bit of mistrust from both sides. And Gunn....poor Gunn. So sad. I cant express how sad I am for him. But man is is great story telling! Looking forward to seeing how that plays out. And what is he going to do with those glowing balls?...and what does Angel know about them? Its strange how I can be excited and jazzed, with so much bad things having happened to our gang. Just glad to have them back I suppose. There is going to be major events happening. And I cant wait till next month!
Nov. 22, 2007, 5:43 p.m. CST
by Harold The Great
Wes is back by the fifth page or so. funny. I like how Buffy 8 opened on a light note, well everything turned out relatively well for everybody, at Angel 6 the gang is in the shittiest state conceivable.
Nov. 23, 2007, 1:31 a.m. CST
Screw you Whedon, screw you.
Nov. 23, 2007, 10:28 a.m. CST
by Lain Of The Net
...the comic has a lot more edge to it than the Buffy comics. I love the Buffy stuff and am buying them but the Angel first issue just amazed me. LA is in a bad way and the characters being introduced are very nice to look at. I like the art a lot and I hope the quality holds. I have always, as much as I love them, had a little prob with the scoobies, in that they have caused problems because of their own exclusionary habits. Sad considering. Angel who I believe is always one small step from acting like the monster he is does, when he is souled, understand his mistakes and the effects those mistakes have on other people. I hope Spike shows up soon because frankly all glower, which is Angel, needs a balance.
Nov. 23, 2007, 10:45 a.m. CST
I enjoyed the story, but have a hard time getting past the lame art. You think with this high profile a title they would pull in some talent on the art side. Looks like they're going for an epic tale, but the amature hour art is going to make it a hard sell..
Nov. 23, 2007, 11:53 a.m. CST
idiot am I? Maybe so... but last time I checked (I never have) AICN was the type of website that catered to the type of people who would know that BBS leaked this week and these same types are the type who need to type their mixed feelings after watching it. Not that an Angel season six comic isn't super special too.
Nov. 23, 2007, 11:06 p.m. CST
by Ye Not Guilty
Batman finally made an appearance in the series!
Nov. 24, 2007, 1:37 a.m. CST
I really shouldn't be wondering if it is or isn't Gunn vamping at the end. Or if that was supposed to be Wesley when he first makes his appearance. Or blah blah blah. Not the artist I would've picked for this book, that's for sure.
Nov. 24, 2007, 11:23 a.m. CST
seriously, that was the best artist they could find to do this?<p> un-frakking-believable.<p> i will keep reading, because i like the story, but please dear god replace the artist asap.