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Watch Tonight!! JOURNEYMAN Teeters On The NBC Abyss!!
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A source deep inside NBC Universal says the network has stopped promoting what I regard as one of fall’s best new shows, “Journeyman,” and will cancel it unless the two-parter airing tonight and next Monday brings big numbers.
The source, a big proponent of the show, describes the two-parter as “super-dark and twisted.”
The show has five new episodes to air, including tonight’s. Whether NBC actually airs them is in question.
Our source says these final five episodes will tell us great deal more about how and, more importantly, why Dan (from 2007) and Livia (from 1948) are being slung through time.
NBC says of the two-parter:
"EMILY"
11/19/2007 KIDNAPPING SOLVED-PART ONE OF SPECIAL TWO PART SERIES- RAPHAEL SBARGE ("24") GUEST STARS --Dan (Kevin McKidd) travels back to the early 90's where he seems to be tracking a serial kidnapper (guest star Raphael Sbarge). Katie (Gretchen Egolf) wonders what effects Dan's disappearances are having on Zack (Charles Henry Wyson) when she is called into his school. Meanwhile, Jack (Reed Diamond) remains skeptical, but begins to see evidence that Dan might be telling the truth about his travels. Moon Bloodgood and Brian Howe also star.
"BLOWBACK"
11/26/2007 WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND-EXCITING CONCLUSION OF TWO PART SERIES- RAPHAEL SBARGE ("24") GUEST STARS—The dangerous kidnapper Aeden Bennett (guest star Raphael Sbarge) is back and Dan (Kevin McKidd) learns a difficult lesson about what happens when he goes off mission. Dan travels back to 1983 and discovers a young criminal in the making. Livia (Moon Bloodgood) continues to uncover secrets about her purpose in life. Meanwhile, Katie gets into a deadly predicament when the kidnapper seeks revenge. Reed Diamond, Brian Howe and Charles Henry Wyson also star.
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11/19/2007 KIDNAPPING SOLVED-PART ONE OF SPECIAL TWO PART SERIES- RAPHAEL SBARGE ("24") GUEST STARS --Dan (Kevin McKidd) travels back to the early 90's where he seems to be tracking a serial kidnapper (guest star Raphael Sbarge). Katie (Gretchen Egolf) wonders what effects Dan's disappearances are having on Zack (Charles Henry Wyson) when she is called into his school. Meanwhile, Jack (Reed Diamond) remains skeptical, but begins to see evidence that Dan might be telling the truth about his travels. Moon Bloodgood and Brian Howe also star.
11/26/2007 WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND-EXCITING CONCLUSION OF TWO PART SERIES- RAPHAEL SBARGE ("24") GUEST STARS—The dangerous kidnapper Aeden Bennett (guest star Raphael Sbarge) is back and Dan (Kevin McKidd) learns a difficult lesson about what happens when he goes off mission. Dan travels back to 1983 and discovers a young criminal in the making. Livia (Moon Bloodgood) continues to uncover secrets about her purpose in life. Meanwhile, Katie gets into a deadly predicament when the kidnapper seeks revenge. Reed Diamond, Brian Howe and Charles Henry Wyson also star.
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sucks about what the source had to say, though. very interested to see how and why this is happening to these characters
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first?
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It seemed like Quantum Leap or Seven Days or something and it has never appealed to me.
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This and LIFE are by far the best new shows on TV. This show makes you think, laugh, remember old times, is suspensful and makes you like the characters. It needs more danger for sure, maybe this will help that... NBC DO NOT CANCEL THIS SHOW... What else do you have? It's not like the network has a ton of great shows.. Maybe a different night or not after Heroes but don't cancel it and DON'T bury it on Friday.
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Watching "Journeyman" get unceremoniously flushed out to pasture is almost as fun as watching international ice-dancing competitions. Fall! Fall! Fall! Fall!
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They should have started providing more info a while ago. I stopped DVRing after the 4th ep.
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a great show...
shitty higher-ups at nbc....
let's have some more eps of the office....oh yeah...!
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Journeyman is a much better show than I thought it was going to be.
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And that show is "Chuck," which gets better and better every week. Sharp writing and a great cast, so why aren't more people watching?
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Those who think so should stick around for more than one damn episode, because your really missing something good here. Pisses me off, go ahead NBC kill a great show! Never mind that the time slot sucks, and that is probably a big reason why the precious numbers you want have not discovered this show.
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This show really is getting damned interesting. Chuck seems to float along pleasantly, Heroes is still a bit saggy, and Journeyman just gets better and better.
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I find nothing interesting in Up-Chuck what-so-ever. Pushing Daisies is Far Superior. But I'll bet Up-Chuck gets a second season.
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Damm NBC!! BAstards!! DAmmit!
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Life started off really well, but Crews' weirdness seems to have mellowed a lot already. The "deaf" footchase ending in a knife face-off in episode 3 was one of the TV scenes of the year though. Sarah Shahi is also the sexiest woman on TV.
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Are they dumb? Retarded? Unbelievable. What the hell does a show have to do in order to survive a chopping block? Jesus Christ.
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Dammmmmm yooooo all!!
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Last week's ratings were up. If this two-parter is good and answers a few questions, it might do just well enough to be given a chance.
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To NBC execs if they cancel this show and keep Bionic Woman. I have just about given up on her (even tho she is soooo nice to look at). But Journeyman deserves to stay on.
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There are some serious physics questions that I have about this and other time travel shows. Only "Time Tunnel" seems to have gotten it right. Which isn't to say that I don't like this one. McKidd is excellent. The others in the cast are not.
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CSI Miasma, The Batchulator, a Closer rerun or the Designing women double feature on TV Land, National will cancel Timetravelerfella? Fair enough, that was easy. Where's the Chuck and Reaper talkbacks?
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Bionic woman is dull and controlled by ad men while Journeyman is interesting and controlled by people with at least an ounce of creativity in their bodies. Therefore Journeyman must be cancelled! (IDIOTS)
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correct me if i'm wrong, but i thought the writers strike meant that the networks were no longer yanking stuff with poor ratings, since - let's face it - they don't have anything to replace it with.
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There's nothing original about this show.
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It's my favorite show new show after Pushing Daises. Any news on how it's doing?
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"...and will cancel it unless the two-parter airing tonight and next Monday brings big numbers."
Just guessing here, but I would say the chances of "big" ratings numbers in the absence of any promotion are pretty slim.
I wonder what the unresolved cliffhanger ending will be.
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This is exactly the kind of show that should be nurtured and promoted properly to become a hit for the network, rather than expected to pull big numbers out of its own ass to survive. This is why we're going to end up with shitty reality shows and a few popular dramas.
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Fox and the CW go off the air at 10:00, American airs realty crap and Columbia had CSI: The Comic Book version. (Which I don't mean as an insult, by the way.) so there's minimal competition and the networks are desperate to hang on to any new material they have in the can in the face of the writers strike. So with the books stacked in it's favor, how bad does this show have to be to dangle on the precipice of cancelation?The "It's Quantum" comparisons were old half a year ago. Here are some new ones: It's Cold Case but all the musical flashbacks happen in the '80s. It's Big Love but instead of three wives the hero has a wife now and a girlfriend a quarter of a century ago... simultaneously!Time travel is always hard to write, even by science fiction authors, let alone TV writers. What this show has going for it is a star that kinda looka a little like that new James Bond guy. That's not much.I admit I was impatient - I watched three episodes and bailed and I've heard it got better once the basic formula was established, so maybe there's something there, but the news that the shows on the edge of cancellation doesn't inspire me to want to catch up now.Of the new genre shows I like the fantasy shows Pushing Daisies, Reaper and Saving Grace and the espionage spoof Chuck. I know night time soap opera are scorned here in geekhaven, but I enjoy Dirty Sexy Money, Big Shots and Women's Murder Club. I even find Cavemen amusing. Bionic Woman and Samantha Who?, not so much. Still, any season with a half dozen or so fairy decent shows is way ahead of most years.Now if Fox will just cancel Family Guy and American Dad and AICN will run Chuck and Reaper talkbacks, everybody will be happy.
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good show too. Live!
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Have you found yourself reading a little bit of Zen? I have.
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and of course, now, the show hangs in the balance.
First Surface and now JourneyMan and that pretentious bit of fluff- Pushing Daisies gets a full season. At least Chuck and Reaper are keeping my smiling. -
DAMN HIM!!!!!!
Hmmm not promoting it and then expecting big numbers. Yeah, that's genius at work folks. -
If this gets canceled, I hope some douche bag at NBC chokes on a pretzel.
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I watched the first 15 minutes of the first episode before I turned it off to make time for breaking some of my own bones. I'm blown away, genuinely blown away that anyone likes this tripe. The pacing, acting, dialogue, and story are all terrible. The ONLY good thing to come out of that show for me was over hearing a Cat Power song at the end of one of the episodes (my room mate actually watches it) that I fell in love with.
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This show would get big ratings if he was transported back to Ancient Rome and teamed up with Titus Pullo!
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I WILL CAUSE HAVOC ON YOUR LOT! YOU THINK THE WRITERS ARE BAD? YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER THING COMING!!! GRRRRRRRRRR
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NBC keeps taking shows i like away from me.. Studio 60, Black Donnellys, Kidnapped, Surface.. ARRRRGGGGHHHHH
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I should've known this was coming as soon as it started to really grow on me. And anyone who tuned out during the first couple episodes, I TOTALLY don't blame you, but it's really come together into something intriguing enough to get more of a chance. It actually reminds me tonally a little bit of 1st Season Angel, which was really dull and painful for the most part, but really started amping it up as it went along and as the cast started to gel. Oh, well. I can't say I'll be extremely upset, but I do think it could've made its way to being very, very good.
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i think this is my favorite of the new shows this year. I might not have watched it every week if it didn't come on after heroes, but I'm glad I did because every episode gets me more and more curious about what is going on. Its always super annoying when networks don't even air all the episodes of a new show when its this good, but considering how the writer's strike is halting production on so many shows, it seems like it would be just stupid for NBC not to at least air the remaining episodes if they have nothing else but reality shows. NBC in the last two years has gone from a network I never watched at all to the home of more good shows than any of the other majors so I hope they keep this show on.
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the lead guy was doing radio show interviews this morning... is that not considered promotion?
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Nov 19, 2007 6:20:58 PM CST
The post-Heroes slot is where good shows go to get sabotaged.
by polyh3dron
It's true!
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So you watch 15 minutes and decide that the pacing, acting, dialogue, and story are all terrible. ???
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They have a whole bunch of other tv shows they gotta show? There's a f*cking strike on for heaven's sakes. I think this "Deep NBC Universal Source" is full of shit. It MIGHT not get a season 2, but they'll finish season 1's 13 episodes... afterall, this is NBC, not FOX or ABC... they aren't assholes to their fans, and they also aren't in a position to be picky. 4th place network and all...
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Honestly, Journeyman is bland. I watched the first 4 episodes religiously but by the 5th I just totally lost interest.. it kept going back to the same thing over and over.. he jumps back in time, his wife gets pissed, he runs into his ex, he saves someone.. end of story, nothing about any of it really got me interested. The main character, Dan has no real spark of excitement about him.
I want any sci-fi show to do well and I watch as many as I can as long as I can but I've got episodes 6-8 on my DVR and still havn't watched them. I've since cancelled its recording.
Its not a show for the average viewer, its a show for folks who want something a bit more subtle and deeper.
This is something that if it had been on Showtime or Sci-Fi (not run by the idiots at Sci-Fi but aired on Sci-Fi) would pro'lly never fear being cancelled. Major network material, its not. -
Just don't hurt CHUCK.
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...and some vicious bastard wants to turn his life support off.
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I wanted to like it. I can't figure out exactly why I didn't like it. I just didn't. Sometimes they click for you, sometimes they don't.
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It's fantastic. More interesting than Heroes right now, that's for sure. NBC is the dopeyest fucking network out there. They make lame decisions (Bionic Woman airs on nbc, but not Galactica, pulling out of iTunes, etc) and they deserve to be in the shitter.
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I agree whole heartedly. Chuck is the best new show of the season. Each episode is better than the last. Tonight was fantastic!
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Judging from the blowback your "hype" show from last year Heroes is getting maybe you should hold on to the shows that may have bigger feet and longer to go like this, or Surface. And only in television would they say, "Let's see how it does the next couple of weeks" "So you'll advertise it heavily?" " Hahaha, no why would we do that?"
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Did i miss something this weekend??? Isn't there still a WRITER'S STRIKE going on right now?? Why would NBC or any network cancel any tv series now?
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Journeyman is a great show. NBC needs to take a CHANCE and let it build for a little while.
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And the gazzilion other people without Nielson boxes?
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Well, so much for that post.What I was going to say was that I LOVE the Journeyman. It's great storytelling, acting, and idea rolled into one show. It kept me coming back to NBC mondays when Heroes was the suXorZ. Seriously NBC, your Monday night lineup is far stronger than you may think. With Chuck keeping it light, Heroes finally getting legs, and Journeyman always keeping my interest, Mondays are defnitely worth watching. DO NOT CANCEL!!!!!@
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I lied, I AM going to be upset if this goes. I just realized it's one of a whopping 4 shows I actually look forward to.
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Ok, forget the usual stupidity of TV show selection, right now the writers are on strike - so there is nothing new that can replace the show - so instead of airing new content they want to air re-runs? Meanwhile its not like it is costing them any money - without writers they cannot be shooting new episodes anyway, so what is the point of this??
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Whaaaaaa Thuuu hell.
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The strike will be over. Soon hopefully. When It is, I want to hear that the Journeyman writers are busy.
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Well, this got interesting.
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seems to be acting a bit suspicious.
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I'm sorry.
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after heros would be prime real estate,..but putting a show where someone travels a few years back in time after a show where a guy travels to feudal japan.....kinda seems lackluster...in fact, i think journeyman premiered immediately after Hiro went back in time to japan.....otherwise, it just seems to quantum leapy but with life consequences. i preferred Sam who never got to go back over a guy who goes back everyday and has to convince everybody.
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same guy in the pick-up truck from last week?
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This is getting really messsed up good now.
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Wow! Yet another awesome episode. Next episode looks insane.
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I would love to see Journeyman stay and I wouldn't mind if it moved to another night. Friday right before/after Stargate Atlantis.
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Is it any wonder that NBC is consistently in last place?
Initially, I was planning not to watch... I, like many Talkbackers figured this was going to be a poor imitation of "Quantum Leap" (which is one of my all-time faves). Somehow, I ended up watching it, and all I can say is: This show is REALLY GOOD. The acting, the story. All of it. It's held my attention and not only that, but it's gotten better week to week.
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This is the best show you have NBC, treat it with some respect. Once word gets out, the numbers will come up.
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figures they want to cancel it. DAMN!!!!!
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I mean seriously, anyone have the President of NBC's address and a shitload of nuts? It worked for Jericho. This definately needs saving. Hey Herc, you got an address for the knobs who run that network?
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We need to make a preemptive strike on this. Waiting until the show gets cancelled won't help much, even Jericho only got a weak 7 episode order with no premiere date in sight. We need addresses, websites and if possible, phone numbers.
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Why not? Damages has already been renewed...there's nothing else I'd fight to save. This episode continued the trend of substantially pushing the arc forward. They've been pretty good about continuity for the most part, so it's going to be interesting how they explain away the gaps in everybody's memory. Dan remembers talking to Jack, but Jack doesn't...so where was Dan in this timeline when he should've been talking to Jack? Shit like that. There's bound to be stuff that works the other way around. Jack and Dan's wife with memories of stuff with Dan that he has no recollection of, no? Christ, I've had too much wine to get into a time-travel discussion.
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I've noticed that they also sow reruns of Chuck, Bionic, and Heroes I think late Saturday nights. They have given up a night of possible original programing to show ther hit shows again? when the strike will take care of rerun possibilities and if anyone really wants to see the show again they can go to the NBC website and watch it there. Is this show so much of a drain of the finances that they can't just move it to a night that they aren't using anyway. Did they sink all of their money into Seinfeld's bee movie and lose the farm or something? Are they waiting for Bill Cosby to come back?
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People are tuning out in droves.
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We need to send emails to some of the higher ups NOW! If they cancel this show without even considering moving it first, I'm gonna go apeshit!
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If you are still out there. Life is horrible, like I liked the show but then they did that whole little gay thing with Prince of Persia SOOOOO LAME! Ruined anything good that they had built up till then. Kind of like Studio 60 when they showed them doing a skit.
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Nov 20, 2007 12:13:58 AM CST
Isn't NBC, uh, without drama content DUE TO THE WRITER'S STRIKE?
by tallboy66
I don't even watch this show but why would they put a bullet in a show that they need?
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[url]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0948538/board/thread/88146360[/url]
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i gotta agree with Napoleon, JonQuixote and the others. 'Chuck' has really become my favorite new show. Hot CIA chick, lovable hero, ejector seat in the NerdHerd mobile - and Jayne. whats not to love? seems like this would be right up Herc's alley.
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...is good too. Missy Peregrym = hot. Tyler Labine = f'n hilarious. Ray Wise = brillant casting. and the developing subplot with Sam's dad and the contract is intriguing.
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Three solid hours of entertainment for me, like TV should be - Journeyman the most engaging of the three, I never miss it. You listening NBC?
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Already writing the letters.
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please don't kill it!
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...fuck you, NBC, if you cancel this. Fuck you in your goat-loving asses. With a cheese grater.
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here hoping that NBC lets this one bloom.
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Since so much communication about what movies and TV shows are good and bad is online, why don't networks like NBC try polling viewers online to find out what we watch and what we think of their shows? Everyone I know that has seen JOURNEYMAN seems to like it. Everyone I know who watches LIFE seems to like it. And everyone I know who has watched BIONIC WOMAN (including me) seems to have a very "meh" reaction. Yet BIONIC WOMAN is promoted to a ridiculous degree, while JOURNEYMAN and LIFE and looked over constantly. NBC really needs to pull its head out of its ass. Oh, and FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS better not go anywhere either.
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In their schedule for "Quarterlife". Thanks, MySpace.
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Nov 20, 2007 3:38:11 AM CST
Please don't cancel Journeyman!! NBC, Don't be a Fox! Let the se
by gobbluth06
Please don't cancel Journeyman!!! I love all of NBC's Monday night shows!!! If you're gonna cancel anything, consider Bionic Woman. It's still decent but the others are great in comparison. Help me viewers, you're my only hope!
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I didn't like it at first, but now it's my favorite show. Give it a chance!
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Why don't you use your assets, NBCUni? Criminal Intent is doing great on USA.
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I hope it makes it past it's freshman year. There are too few good shows on right now.
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... to any decade other than the 80s or 90s, it'd be more interesting... but that would require a budget.
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... It's better than Heroes is this year. Didja see last night's ep? Major plot development... they KILLED OFF HRG!!! HUGE! Oops... nope... in the last 30 seconds, they brought him back to life in the absolutely stupidest way ever imagined in any piece of fiction ever since the Epic of Gilgamesh was written in 4000 BC.... They gave him a transfusion of Adam's blood!!! Just... wrong on so many levels, f'rinstance... how to you give a transfusion to a DEAD BODY... that doesn't have a pumping heart to distribute the transfused blood throughout the body's circulatory system? Sorry... LAME! And now we'll have to live through 300 months of Claire not knowing her dad is still alive episode after episode after...
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Folks, we're expecting sanity and caring from a network that only sees inaccurate numbers that are supposed to translate to dollars. they don't care if the show is as smart as Journeyman or as sad and inane as Chuck ("Oh, oh- and then we can have him DATE, and the date's former boyfriend is an evil terrorist- yeah THAT would be funny!"- C'MON!!!!). Like Twin Peaks and Firefly this show just goes over the exec's heads as they stare at their innacurate ratings and wonder why the show doesn't show more skin ("Like, you see that blonde chick on Chuck's black panties almost every show- THAT'S HOT!!!). Excuse me for not being surprised that a little THINKING television is in trouble. I promise you that is the strike wasn't happening it would have been replaced long before now, just as the show is hitting it's stride, and replaced with something much less intelligent. can;t hgelp but thing that Life is next since they're running 2 eps of that 2 Mondays from now. sad really- that we'll probably have to buy the DVD season now in order to get anything answered. That's fine though because I planned on buying it anyway to show to friends that thought the show was a copy of Quantum Leap- Oh and to those that say Time travel stories don't work on TV, that REALLY explains all the high ratings dr. Who musters around the world. makes you wonder just how dumded down we as a country have become doesn't it?
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has been a HUGE dissapointment this year to EVERYONE who liked it last year. No wonder Journeyman suffers when folks laugh at the Beavis and Butthead level humor of Chuck, then scratch their heads over the plot holes of Heroes (or tune out becuase of the redundances) and then get to watch a show that's actually thought through, intelligent, and connected to the previous eps- they've already chased off or confused anyone who wants to THINK along with their entertainment.
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this show is facing the same fate for the same reason Studio 60 couldnt survive. The show can't keep enough of the numbers from Heroes. But what show can when it has to compete with the CSI monster.
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Is this one. It's smart, entertaining, and has solid characters. Maybe if NBC had a dollar for everybody that has said that about this show (it's damn near unanimous!) they wouldn't have to cancel the show. The talkback that was tossed up late last week had the most people agreeing about a show I have ever witnessed on a talkback. That must have ripped a hole in the fabric of the universe.
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Light rock music, stupid voice, stupid tagline/slogan that they think sounds cool that just sounds juvenile...that's what hurt Journeyman. It looks and sounds in promotions like a really pussy, generic NBC show. Same as all those fucking Heroes taglines, for example: "SAVE THE CHEERLEADER SAVE THE WORLD" "WHO'S YOUR DADDY?" "ARE YOU ON THE LIST?" STFU.
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This, Damages, and Battlestar (and maybe Nip/Tuck) are really the only reason to watch TV for me. They kill this, and I'll be extremely sad.
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OK I give up. Head over to the IMDB Journeyman site. There's a post there with suggestions on who to contact and the best methods to use in getting NBC Execs to listen.
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Sorry the show you like so much is on the verge of cancellation, but insulting the intelligence and taste of those who like other shows that might actually survive (Chuck) just makes you sound like a bitter child. Journeyman is OK, but we've all seen this before in other shows and movies. I watch TV to be entertained and educated. Chuck covers the first of those in spades and other shows take care of the smarts. But I feel as though, and its not just you, many have gotten so jaded that they won't even allow themselves to be entertained by anything anymore. Sure Chuck has a hot agent and a silly script and whatever, but since when was it wrong to be entertained by this? Its Monday, I just got off of work, Chuck and beer is just what I need. Besides, for all its goofiness, there are some clever bits of writing here and great performances. And lets face it, Journeyman wasn't gonna win any Emmy's itself.
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I didn't mean to imply that it was WRONG to watch Chuck- as you can tell by my posts that it's obvious that I do- it's just that the lowest common denomiator appeal and HORRIBLE plotting and writing makes it diffcult for me to keep watching, especially on a regular basis. I feel completely different about the appeal and level of intelligence that a show like Journeyman displays, especially to anyone willing to give the show an inkling of thought. Infantile humor has it's place, but don't expect me to stay entertained or not share an opinion of a flawed poorly done show that literally wastes good acting talent at the expense of maybe one or two barely ample situations a show, when there are shows of higher quality (perhaps not Emmy material, but at least TRYING), that are being threatened with cancellation and nostalsic "cult" status because some exec doesn't like the inaccurate demo numbers it's pulling. frankly Chuck makes Reaper look like HIGH quality television (same basic set-up but with a MUCH smarter level of adolescent humor). Journeyman has SUBSTANCE and is worth a little loyalty on the part of the studio execs than to just stop advertising and abandonment. You'd think NBC was Fox or something...
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I can't believe this show is on the bubble and yet crap like Bionic Woman keeps on going. This show is starting to get really good with Livia's revelation and the mysterious time travel theorist.
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It was just last week that I had to face it--Jouneyman is my favorite show of the season. My title says best NEW show but it might be the best show, period. I love Friday Night Lights, House, and I'm still watching Heroes but it's Journeyman that I really look forward to every week. I've been talking this up to everyone I know and I could probably get a lot of people on board but they're a) afraid the show will be canceled and b) hesitant to jump into the middle of of, what could be a confusing, season. We need a mini-marathon on the weekend or something.
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Just found out this show is on iTunes. I've already resolved to gift the season to a good friend and gift the first few episodes to some other friends. I'd normally wait for the dvds to come out and then pass them around between seasons but I'm afraid I won't have the time to stir up interest (like I did with Friday Night Lights). I'd hope that NBC would understand that a smart, mature show like this is going to be more of a slow build. The word of mouth on this show is excellent--almost all the naysayers I've heard on these talkbacks have seen one episode, "15 minutes" of an episode, or haven't seen anything beyond the promos but still want to stop by to tell those of us that do watch the show that it's a Quantum Leap rip-off.
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Point taken. Although I think Chuck succeeds in doing exactly what it sets out to do. I usually HATE shows and movies that are cheesy or corny, but claim "Oh its ok because we were TRYING to be that way." (spiderman films) Chuck, especially in the first few eps, got a bit too corny for me, but since then I feel as though it found its way and does have clever writing and great performances. All I can say is the show works for me - a lot. In fact I look forward to it every week -it's just plain charming and entertaining and it has a love triangle (square?) that I actually find myself invested in. I hope and pray it survives and if so many feel the same about Journeyman then I wish you all the best as well. I think NBC has a perfect lineup going. Though I'm not a huge fan of Heroes this season, the progression from Chuck, to Heroes to Journeyman works well. As for Journeyman, well it just didn't grab me for whatever reason. Nothing wrong with it exactly -especially not enough to warrant a cancellation. Maybe I'll give it another shot somewhere down the line - especially if the strike screws up Lost. Or if 24 screws up 24.
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it will NEVER beat CSI in any iteration, because people are dumb.
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It's hard to catch it in that sucky timespot! Change it to Tueday, even Friday and lead it with the Bionic Woman and you would probably have a 'lock' for those two timeslots. (Jeez and NBC pays 'Analysts' to figure crap out. Maybe I should just fire that Weapon.... Once! It worked for Dad... -Stark
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If you decide to keep it air, forget about the "fuck you". Change it up with hugs and kisses if you want.
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"Chuck" earned a 4.6/7 for NBC,
at 9 p.m. "Heroes" posted a 6.6/10 for NBC. " (same as last week)
"Journeyman" (3.8/6) on NBC.
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... was the story of Kenny Lofton. Seriously, has he played for every MLB team?
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The 3.8/6 Nielsens referenced above (which are the overnights, natch) are I believe a series low. They also are lower than any of the four series NBC threw into the same time slot (and canceled) last year, including "The Real Wedding Crashers."
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Crap on a stick...NBC is clueless. Journeyman is an excellent show. Last night's episode was very good. This is the FIRST time travel show/movie that actually doesn't piss me off. No, it's not perfect and the science is nonexistent to this point, but there are hints that something is behind all of this. And I love 'Life'...it's got an "Inside Man" vibe to it and is just pretty damned good. No, let's just spin off another Law And Order clone and feel smug. Assholes!!!!!!!!!!!
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If people continue to tune out. It's over. I'm completely depressed over that. My TV will not be on CSI, it will be off if no Journeyman.
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this is the best show of this season picks, better then chuck, poushing daisies and the bionic woman. what the fark are nbc thinking? give this show a chance, it has the opportunity to be something fantastic
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i forgot to say, by word of mouth this show is getting higher ratings, because you didnt pull in the people that you should have done. we the fans are watching, and we're promoting this to those who will watch.with the strike knocking out programs left right and centre, please dont pull the plug on something that has the potential to be a money spinner for you. dont do it nbc.
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In some fairness to NBC, this is a difficult show to market. It's high-concept, but it's not at all flashy. Dan's not jumping around to a bunch of different eras, so promos can showcase exotic locales, everything seems to be taking place within his own lifetime, and in relative proximity to his home. The title is absolutely awful, something we tend to forget about because we've all been watching for awhile now. The color palette/cinematography has a muted, more serious look to it. I mean, I think it all works pretty well, but I can't say I've ever been at all motivated by one of the promos to check it out. I started watching sort of inadvertantly when I was still watching Heroes.
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How can you not love this show?Good example of consquences in this episode. Not only does he have the FBI investigating him but his actions have gained him the attention of a murderer. And this murderer spent 6 years in jail because of Dan.NBC should air reruns on Saturday night like they do for Chuck & BW. As for promoting the show, did they ever start? I've seen a few promotions for the show but they are generic, promoting the show, not the particular upcomming episode.
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I could discuss how it would feel like for me to go back in time when my daughter was first born like Dan did...but I'm so fucking infuriated with the prospect of this show going away...NBC = WHITE SCREEN OF DOOM
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Great idea there NBC execs: let's cancel the only show on our Monday night line up where the ACTING & WRITING ARE NOTICABLY BETTER THAN OUR OTHER SHOWS. Genius idea there; just brilliant. Not to knock Chuck, which has it's own weird charm, or Heroes, which I love but if just having a fairly boring season so far (with the exception of the Four Months Ago episode which rocked), but Journeyman just gets better & better on a consistent basis & the actors should be commended for the work that they put in.
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"CSI: Miami added 860 thou to hit a season high of 16.22 mil. The Bachelor finale surged 26 percent to 11.6 mil. Journeyman (5.75 mil) dropped another 470K."
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...please...
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I keep thinking that this show is getting better, I like where its heading...why are people tuning it out? Dammit.
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I watched the first three episodes of Journeyman and found it really boring, and I ussualy love time travel stuff. It seemed extremely repetative and unoriginal to me. Did I miss something? Some of y'all talk like it's really great. Has it improved a WHOLE LOT since then, or are we just disagreeing about the quality in general? I haven't seen Rome so I'm just judgeing this guy on his preformance on Journeyman. Perhaps some of the show's fans, who know what this actor is capable of, are seeing more subtlety/awesomeness than is actually on screen. And whats with a time travel show where he only goes back to the mid 80's! Seriously? I know, I know, it's on a limited budget. But still, Thats just limited creativity. You could make, like , ten years or so of the original Doctor Who series for the same money that guy makes for a single episode.
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He actually goes back to his lifetime, so there is a limit as to how far he can go back (apparently). There's also been some interesting developments with who is potentially behind the time traveling, where Liv comes from, consequences of his actions, his brother looking like he'll come around to believing is time jumping, the Feds on his case...And I like Kevin McKidd (since the beginning) in this and I've never seen him in Rome, so there we just disagree on.
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As I've mentioned a couple of times in this and the other thread, I COMPLETELY get why some people gave up on it, as I honestly wasn't even paying much attention to it myself the first 4 weeks or so. But it really HAS gotten a lot more interesting, and it snuck up on me and, I think, a lot of other people. See if you can't sit through the last 3 or 4 Eps and see what you think. There's more continuity, more developments, and more advancements in the whole direction of the show. Whether it's been intentional or not, what we've been seeing is a slow burn from his discovery of these occurances, to the power he actually has to affect change, and now we're getting into seeing the serious ramifications of all of it, while there's obviously clues being dropped about the greater mystery as well. I'm telling you, I felt the same way you did after the first three, I just happened to keep sort of half-assed watching while I was doing other things...and it dragged me back in.
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Go deeper and are more than just people bouncing around in time. Dan is a complicated person in a very complicated predicament that he has no idea why he is in it. His wife is a saint, he sees his old, thought to be dead girlfriend and it turns out SHE is a time jumper too. To make it more complicated, he is married to his brothers ex-girlfriend. There is a degree of humanity written into these characters I haven't seen on network TV in a long time. The writers now who to write. Last week, when Katie found the old photo of Liv, they could have had her just dig through the box, but they didn't. They had the FBI show up on another story thread and ransack their stuff. In the process the FBI exposes the photo for Katie to discover. Sure it might not seem like much but it sure is refreshing to see cause and effect written so well. They also set up "Dan changing the future" and had the audience believe (falsely) that his little boy disappeared because of something in the past - making Dan going back in time WAY more precarious than we are lead to believe. The guy who was locked up in prison because of Dan's actions will affect his life in the present now.
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The writers know how to write.
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I might give it another chance to win me over, if it's going somewhere. I don't dislike Kevin McKidd, I didn't mean to say anything negative about the acting. I should have said; I know that if one of my favorite actors was in a show I would cut it way more slack than it deserves. For instance, I'll watch anything with Vincent Price in it, and any criticisms of his movies and TV appearances(Brady-Bunch-in-Hawaii included) fall on deaf ears with me.
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That actualy does sound more interesting. Thanks for responding I'll give it another chance. It sound like it has a lot more of the brain-thrill profoundity I like about timetravel stories.
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Nov 20, 2007 2:18:46 PM CST
Ugg just let it be OVER!!! It was Never Original at all
by darthmrbelvedere
The acting may be great, but...uggg....who cares...give us somehting ORIGINAL you douchebags!
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if you still don't like it, I'll watch House of Wax and the Fly in honor of Mr. Price.
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The general public is far more concerned with the latest tripe coming out of "Reality" TV than watching quality, well-produced episodic television with good production values and writing.
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...a sci-fi themed show that is similar to another WAY MORE than the countless Cop shows, sitcoms, and reality shows that are pretty much carbon copies of ewach other? Seems to me that you should actually SUPPORT a genre that you enjoy, not take every opportunity to diss it.
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Just started airing in the UK. Please don't cancel. Love everything about this show. Why are all the great shows getting cancelled or facing cancellation. Shame we can't help with the US ratings, but here's hoping that the message spreads your side of the pond and that all those people with the gizmo's that tally the ratings watch Journeyman for these important episodes.
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It started out a little slow but it's gotten much, much better. I can't believe that a show that I rolled my eyes at four weeks ago would air an episode that had me both estatic that the jackass brother was finally convinced and pissed when time was changed and it never happened. In my book if you can make me care about something like this then the writers are doing something right. Go ahead and cancel this NBC, it just means you don't get your audience and you can't give a show more than a season to find its legs and run. You're just as bad as Fox.
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Last night they totally had me when the kid complained of his headaches and then was gone. I totally believed he time travelled. Even though I was let down when they found him, I was still caught up in the idea.
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I think shows like this are the shows people will watch in like a year. This is what will gather the highest ratings. Journeyman and Life are just too early and sometimes being first for something means you die first too. Keep it around NBC, you'll thank us later.
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Why isn't Chuck getting any love? Its starting to become one of the best shows on the tube. Its got Adam Baldwin... Shouldn't that get it a Whedonverse pass? Whats the dealio?
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why is it with 90% of those who hate this show have this underlining issue that there soft cuddly quantum leap show was canceled ages ago (a show saved from cancellation due to ratings and eventually let go for the same). get over it.
Do not look for original programing from the network that brought you x-men tv, new bionic (now with 80% more vagina), law and order x3, and countless reality crap. This show is smart and its something i really look forward to everyweek. I don't care where they move it, just keep new episodes coming. -
This is what makes me not want to give new shows a try! NBC, if you're reading this I strongly hope you'll give JourneyMan a chance to gain some steam before giving up on it.
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HOW THE FUCK did they EXPECT IT TO SURVIVE the one-two punch of CSI: Miami AND the finale of The Bachelor? They fucking WANT this show to die.
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Nov 20, 2007 7:57:54 PM CST
Well, if they do cancel it, they could always air DOCTOR WHO...
by spyguy
Wait...it's NBC, so there's no chance in hell they'll air DOCTOR WHO even if there's a writer's strike and DOCTOR WHO if up for a People's Choice Award for Best Sci-Fi series and already has three seasons in the can.
(Sigh) It's hard being a Whovian sometimes...
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I was reading today that NBC didnt care about DVR usuage to record the shows popularity. That stinks. I cant think of any show that I watch right when it comes on.
This show has been getting better every week and ashame that it will probably be going bye bye.
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I've shown this show to several people now and they all really liked it (except for one who said the main guy looked like her first boyfriend which put her off). The problem is that I live in the U.K and so me and my friends don't affect anything. Damnit!
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I guess its official.
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....every time someone says that horrible stinky turd of a show CHUCK is better than this show.....obviously u sniff glue while ur watching it.....only being high can make that show bearable.....the only reason to watch that show is the hot blonde, and im sure thats why most of the audience that raves about it, rave about it...sad waste of adam baldwin....a superior actor that deserves a better show......from firefly to this crap....he had better material on his season 5 stint on angel.....save journeyman....its getting better and better not chuck....i got chills just watching next weeks preview with livia in the elevator with jack
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we obviously dont make a fraction of the number of watchable shows that come out of the US here in UK land, but at least we know that once a series starts we will get a full season out of it, plus no adverts and ability to move programs to lesser channels BBC2, BBC3 if it doesnt get good ratings but still 5 guys are watching, BBC FTW!! US TV style reminds me of impatient football chairmen 'just got the team promoted against all the odds with a bunch of useless morons and now your struggling to stay up in a league with far better opposition with same morons, well obviously your fired before you can improve the team and come back even stronger next year'
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...but it conflicts with my work schedule. I ended up watching the first ep, wasn't all that impressed, and removed it from my DVR. NBC really needs to start doing what CBS has been doing the past few years and provide episodes On Demand so we can try them out on our own time on our TVs. Video on demand from their website is substandard viewing, buggy at times, and not all that comfortable.
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I just wished this series was promoted more from the start. I dreaded this. Heroes was definitely the weaker by far (although it kicked some serious in the last 2 episodes - Noah RULES).
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I'm going to have to youtube next week's preview!
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between Katie and the molester/killer bastard.
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NBC = "No Balls Corporation". Time to fire the Repulsors I guess... -Stark
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Universal/NBC won't get another dime from me. I deleted the NBC channel from my tv set. Greedy bums.
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5.75 million viewer last Monday compared to 5.25 two weeks ago.
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Here's why: When I watch live tv I almost never watch commercials. When the ads come on I switch to something else. However, when I watch a show I have recorded I fast-forward through the ads. If something catches my eye I will stop and let it play. And even if I don't let it play, those images flashing-by probably still register in my sub-concious, like subliminal advertising. So really, watching DVR'd shows is probably better for advertisers than watching the show live.
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and I am conscious of leaving the "S" out of sub-conscious.
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dammit this strike is keeping alive all the dogshit...cavemen, chuck, k-ville, and this turd.
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Don't fret, you still have Dancing with the Stars. And before you know it Celebrity Apprentice will be on to entertain you, as well as the return of American Idol.
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Because for b...shit scripts like those for Bionic Woman or CSI Miami u dont need them. U can suck them out of ur thumbs.. Poor poor NBC.....
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does anyone actually watch live tv much these days anyways ? i rarely watch any show live, but lots of times my dvr is recording 2 shows at once..i believe i did hear something about gettin ratings from dvr recordings and internet viewings.....and the thing about ratings.....they are not the only measure by which a network keeps or cancels a show... i know lots of u love watching the ratings of shows like lost and heroes, saying theyre gonna get cancelled...it has a small part to play. if a network wants to keep a show on the air it will..despite sucky ratings..angel in season 5 had its highest ratings in the shows history and still got cancelld... the network explained they wanted to bring on new shows, and keep 7th heaven..it was financial, not ratings...and CHUTCH putting journeyman in the same sentence with cavemen and chuck is insulting to journeyman...if chuck survives and this dont ill be upset...its a one note show, with no drama, cept for all the retards out there that wanna see chuck and the hot blonde fuck...bionic woman is also a potentially great show..it seems to be improving with each episode..just wish they would get back to the "boyfriend had a dossier on u for 2 yrs before u met" arc...kville dont work because its a "lets feel sorry for louisiana" crap that u knew someone was going to make somewhere... a movie of some sort is in the works, u know it..and anthony anderson in a dramatic role ?? were they doing bad weed ?? its laughable.... and all u people that actually watch "dancing with the has-been stars" reality shows are luckily unscripted so u will get to see all of those suck fests.....did i miss something or is tia tequila not that good looking ? american idol is a non issue, has the winner of the last 2 actually done anything ?? none of the winners actually do anything good.....its always the people that come in 2nd or 3rd that do lots.....ala....daughtry, katherine mcfee, that jewish guy that sounds black....please no one mention that country singer or fantasia.... sickening.....the only winner that actually made something of themselves is kelly clarkson....and for a show that has judges they do very little judging past the prelims.... they leave the voting to the likes of the same people that voted for george bush...scary...theyre are too many reality shows on mtv and vh1 that require the viewer to watch some self centered , self absorbed semi famous hooch that no one heard of before..and have them gothru a bevy of men or women or both to find someone they want to "fall in love" with....tequila and new york...throw in some midgets and staged fights and what u get is 2 shows for the dumb people in our population.....a growing # if u look at what people actually watch as opposed to scripted shows....u know why scripted shows are losing ratings ? because u have to actually think and remember more than who got voted off last week...too hard for many of u lazy american turds..... i think the strike will do one of two things to reality shows, depending on the length of the strike.....either people will want more cuz thats all there is or people will get so sick of reality shows that no one will watch them anymore once the strike is over.....thats my personal fave, kill reality shows....cept for survivor....i record 15-20 shows a week at seasons peak....most are scripted cept for survivor...somehow i keep up with every show..dont know how , but i do....hope the strike is over next week when the writers and studios get back together......cross ur fingers , and save journeyman
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anyone?
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...as I posted in the other JM TB, NBC is still promoting this show as much as they did before. So that part of the rumor is false so far.
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